* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ON TUESDAY, [00:00:01] MAY THE 27TH, 2025, WE'VE GOT A WORKING GROUP AND, UH, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR TWO OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ARRIVE. BUT SINCE WE DO HAVE THREE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HERE, WHICH, UH, WHICH CONSTITUTES A QUORUM, WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND GET STARTED. SO, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE FIRST? [A. Discussion - FY 2026 Budget] UH, THE BUDGET, SIR. BUDGET REVIEW. RIGHT. UH, MRS. SCOTT IS GOING TO PUT THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS UP THERE. IF YOU SEE SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR YOU WANT TO ASK ABOUT, YOU CAN DO IT. IF NOT, WE'LL GO ON TO THE NEXT DEPARTMENT AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU SEE SOMETHING LATER THAT YOU WANT TO CALL UP AND ASK ABOUT WHY, CERTAINLY DO IT ANY TIME. UH, THIS IS JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU A GENERAL REVIEW ONCE MORE. WE ARE, UH, WE ARE PRETTY MUCH LOCKED INTO THE MAXIMUMS. THIS IS ALL THE MONEY THERE IS. AND SO YOU CAN REDUCE OR YOU CAN MOVE, BUT NOT NECESSARILY INCREASE. AND THE HEARING IS, UH, THE 10TH OF JUNE AND THE ADOPTION IS THE 24TH. YOU CAN ALWAYS CHANGE THE BUDGET, BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING ADOPTED BY THE 24TH. OKAY. OTHERWISE, WE CAN'T PAY THE SUPERVISORS FOR JULY. SOUNDS GOOD. SO GO AHEAD. DO, DO Y'ALL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE, UH, UH, THE, THE PROPOSED TAXES? THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER HAVE LOOKED AT THESE NUMBERS AND SAT DOWN AND THOSE ARE OUR BEST ESTIMATES AT THIS POINT. SO, AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE 25 AMENDED AND THE 26 PROPOSED IS ABOUT, UH, 750,000 OR LESS THAN THAT. ABOUT 650,000. THAT'S, THAT'S ABOUT RIGHT, SIR. YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANYTHING. UM, WE DIDN'T CHANGE ANY OF THE RATES, SO THERE WON'T BE, UM, A LOT OF INCREASE. UH, PUBLIC SERVICE TAX WILL BE DOWN JUST A LITTLE BIT, BUT, AND THAT'S WHERE MOST OF THE DECREASE IS. WE JUST WOULD, UH, CAUTION YOU CEASE SALES TAX THERE. THAT'S BASED ON THE STATE ESTIMATES. UM, SAY SALES TAX DO CONCERN US, WE WILL BE WATCHING THEM DURING THE YEAR. NOW WHEN YOU SAY SALES TAX, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE MEALS AND BEVERAGE TAX? NO, THE SALES UP THERE AT THE TOP. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT 6.4 MILLION. OKAY. FOR THE, UH, FOR THE FY 25, ACTUAL, WHAT MONTH IS THAT THROUGH? IS THAT FEBRUARY OR MARCH? I BELIEVE IT'S FEBRUARY AND IT'S TWO MONTHS DELAY. WHEN THE, WHEN WE PAY THE TAX FOR MAY AT, AT THE STORE, THEN THEY HAVE THE MONTH OF JUNE TO SEND IT TO THE STATE, AND THEN THE STATE DOESN'T SEND IT TO US UNTIL THE END OF JULY. SO THERE'S A TWO MONTH LOSS THAT GETS ADJUSTED EACH YEAR. UH, BUT THAT'S, YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF THAT IN THE CASH FLOW, THE PERMITS, THE BEST THING UP THERE IS, UH, BOARD RAISED THE INSPECTION FEES. AND WE DO REFLECT THAT IN HERE. YOU SEE A LITTLE BIT OF AN INCREASE NOW THAT THOSE FUNDS COLLECTED MUST BE USED IN SOMETHING DEVELOPMENT RELATED. NOW, IS THERE A CHANCE THAT WITH FROM THE REVENUE, FROM USE OF MONEY, THAT THAT WILL, THAT, THAT WILL GO UP? I WILL, UH, SOMEONE WAS CONCERNED THAT I WOULD SAY SOMETHING OUTRAGEOUS TONIGHT, SO I'M GONNA STAY OFF MY SOAP BOX. UH, IF THE MONEY IS ALL INVESTED AT THE STATE LEVEL AND YOU CAN SEE IT, THEN [00:05:01] YOU CAN TAKE YOUR TOTAL AND JUST MULTIPLY TIMES 4.5%. IF IT'S IN VARIOUS AND SUNDRY OTHER PLACES AND NOT WITH THE STATE, THEN WE CAN ONLY, IT'S A WING IN THE PRAYER. OKAY. THE PARKS AND RECS FEES IS LOWER THAN SEVERAL PREVIOUS YEARS. UH, I KNOW WE, WE ADJUSTED THE FEES SOME MONTHS AGO, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T RECALL ANY BIG CHANGES THAT WOULD IMPACT REVENUE. SO IS, IS THERE JUST A EXPECTATION OF ANY DROP IN USAGE OR NOT REALLY. THAT LOOKS LOW, BUT IF YOU COME BACK OVER, IT'S NOT AS LOW AND WE'RE JUST WAITING TO SEE HOW WE FIGURE THAT'S A GOOD AREA THAT TO HAVE SOME SLACK IN AND IF IT COMES UP HEAVIER, WE'RE GOOD. AND THAT'S THE REST OF THAT CATEGORY THERE. BIG DIFFERENCE IN THE STATE REVENUE IS, REMEMBER LAST YEAR STARTING WITH THIS BUDGET, WE HAVE MOVED, UH, CSA AND DSS INTO THEIR OWN FUND SO THAT THIS ONLY SHOWS WHEN WE GET OVER THE EXPENDITURES, IT SHOWS THE GENERAL FUNDING CONTRIBUTIONS, BUT THE REVENUES GO DIRECTLY TO THAT FUND. ED, WOULD YOU MIND BACKING UP A SLIDE? THIS ONE? YEAH, THAT ONE. SO THE FY 26 PROPOSED TOTAL CHARGES FOR SERVICES, 1.8 MILLION, THAT'S ROUGHLY 50% OF 2024 FY 24, SOMETHING ELSE WAS IN THERE AND WAS MOVED BEFORE, YOU KNOW, 23 AND 24 AND THE AMENDED AND THEN IT COMES DROPS DOWN. WHAT ELSE IS IN THERE? WELL, THAT'S $2 MILLION, BUT, BUT THE, THE, THE MASS NOT ADDING UP, THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF ALL OF THE LINES. SO LEMME TAKE A LOOK AND SEE WHAT ELSE IS INCLUDED IN THERE. YEAH, THE 1.8 VERSUS THE 3.8 OF TWO YEARS PRIOR. WHAT, WHAT'S ON THE PREVIOUS SLIDE? YEAH, I NOW IS THERE, IS THERE A SLIDE BEFORE THIS THAT THAT WHOLE THING ROLLS UP TO, UH, NO, IT'S JUST THE SUBTOTALS FOR EACH OF THE SECTIONS. OKAY. BECAUSE, UH, I'M, I'M NOT SEEING A, I'M NOT SEEING A DIFFERENCE. CAN YOU, IF YOU ADVANCE TOO YEAH. GO BACK AND LOOK AT YOUR RECOVERED COST CATEGORY RIGHT HERE. SO THE, THE, THE FIRST YELLOW LINE IS NOT, AND ACTUALLY THE, YEAH, FFY 26 PROPOSED IS, IS REALLY WEIRD. PREVIOUSLY WE HAD BUDGET FOR EDA RECOVERED COSTS. SO THERE WOULD'VE BEEN RECOVERED EDA COSTS IN THERE? YES. MM-HMM . THAT'S IN THE GIFTS AND REIMBURSEMENTS LINE. ARE THEY, ARE THEY NEVER SUPPOSED TO SUM UP TO THE OTHER ONE OR NOT NECESSARILY? THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER LINES THAT MAKE UP FOR THOSE LINES. OKAY. THAT I WAS, SO THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU RECEIVE ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR THE REVENUE. SO THEN THIS, THIS IS ANOTHER ACCOUNTING SLIDE WHERE ONE AND ONE EQUALS THREE OR TWO AND TWO EQUALS TWO . WELL, WE'LL GO BACK AND [00:10:01] GET THAT SECTION TO LET YOU SEE IT AT THAT LAST COLUMN OF THE FIRST YELLOW LINE. AND ACTUALLY THE SECOND YELLOW LINE TOO FOR FY 26, BECAUSE THAT'S A, THAT'S A HUGE DROP. YEAH, IT IS. I THINK. AND I THINK THAT IS EDA RECOVERIES, BUT WE'LL GET THE LINES BEFORE YOU AND SEND THEM TO YOU. OKAY. SO ANY QUESTIONS ON FEDERAL REVENUE? IS IT, IS THIS COVID MONEY? THE DROP IS, YEAH. OKAY. SO EVEN FROM 25 TO 26, IT'S WORTH DROPPING $1.7 MILLION. SO YOU PAID THE LAST OF YOUR ARPA MONEY OUT? THE FIRST HALF OF 25. ALRIGHT, I CAN SEE THE EMPTY SALE THERE. MM-HMM. CYLINDER. RIGHT. OKAY. SO THIS IS THE FIRST DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BUDGET. OKAY. GO BACK. WHAT, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? SO WHAT HAPPENED FY 25 LAST YEAR WAS FY 25, RIGHT? THIS YEAR? THIS, THIS PAST YEAR. OKAY. WELL, THIS CURRENT YEAR, IT ENDS JULY, JUNE 30TH. YES. OKAY. SO WHAT IS THE, THE SOURCE OF THE DROP OTHER SERVICES, 40,000 IN PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR YOUR RECRUITER. OKAY. UH, BUT FROM, FROM FY 24 TO FY 25, IT DROPPED FROM 142 TO 67. NO, THAT'S 25 ACTUAL, THAT'S YEAR TO DATE. OKAY. SORRY. YEAH, THE 25 AMENDED IS THE, OKAY. SORRY. OKAY. SO, SO THE, UH, WHAT ARE THE BENEFITS? IT'S ALL THE DIFFERENT BENEFITS THAT WE HAVE. HEALTH INSURANCE, FICA, PRIMARILY THE BENEFITS THAT THE BOARD HAS IS FICA. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALRIGHT. BUT ISN'T THAT, ISN'T THAT INCLUDED IN THE SALARY? NO. NO, IT'S NOT. IT'S NOT. IT'S A SEPARATE LINE ITEM. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY. COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUDGET, AGAIN, THE ARIES ARE BROKE OUT INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF, UM, EMPLOYEE STATUS, LIKE NON-EXEMPT AND EXEMPT BENEFITS ARE BROKEN OUT BY THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF BENEFITS. AND THESE ARE SUMMED UP INTO LINE ITEMS THAT ENCOMPASS SPECIFIC LINES THAT ARE PROVIDED IN CLEAR OF ANY QUESTIONS, HUMAN RESOURCES, BUDGET. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE MORE, YOU CAN SEND US A QUESTION IF THERE'S SOMETHING IN PARTICULAR THAT YOU SEE. WHAT'S THE, UH, THE SECOND PROFESSIONAL SERVICES NUMBER THAT DROPPED? UM, GOOD AMOUNT. UH, ARE THEY TWO? WELLNESS PROGRAM. CUT. [00:15:12] IT'S BUDGET. AND MR. JONES COULDN'T BE HERE THIS EVENING, BUT HE SAID IF YOU SEE ANYTHING IN THERE TO LET HIM KNOW. SEE BACK THURSDAY. JANE? YES. CAN YOU GO BACK ONE PLEASE? WHAT DID, UH, COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE HAVE TO DO WITHOUT, I'M SORRY, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? WHAT WAS THE, WHAT WAS THE MEAN, UH, ITEM THAT COMMISSION REVENUE HAD TO FOREGO DOWN THE LAST ITEM LINE THERE, YOU'LL SEE THAT 421. OKAY. SHE WAS BUYING A NEW, UH, SOFTWARE PROGRAM AND SHE MOVED THAT. SO IT WILL COME IN TO THE 27 26 27 BUDGET. OKAY. AND THEN ON HER, UH, IF YOU COULD GO BACK PLEASE ON, UM, THE SUPPLIES LINES, THE FINAL OF THE FIVE LINES, UH, IT DOES DROP FROM 68, UH, TO 21 9. AND, UH, I KNOW SHE TALKED ABOUT SUPPLIES, LIKE, UH, ADDITIONAL MAILINGS, BUT THE, THAT'S A BIG DROP AND NOT RELATED TO THE MAILING QUESTION, WHICH WAS AN INCREASE. SO I'M WONDERING WHAT THAT WOULD BE. THAT'S SOMETHING SHE GOT LAST YEAR. YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK THERE, IT WENT, IT GOES ACROSS 1 73 AND THEN 68, AND THEN 68 AGAIN ACTUALLY AS THE ADOPTED. AND THEN IT DROPS. BUT SHE THOUGHT THAT WAS PAY WAS GONNA BE PAID OUT AND THAT IT WOULD THEN DROP TO 21. OKAY. AND PART OF THAT ENDS UP BEING MOVED OVER IF YOU, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE, UH, REASSESSMENT BUDGET MM-HMM . SHE THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA HAVE SOME EXPENSES IN HER BUDGET THAT SHE'S MOVED OVER TO THE REASSESSMENT. AND THE REASSESSMENT BUDGET CHANGES BECAUSE THE BOARD APPROVED THEIR WAY OF PROVIDING IT FOR THE INTERIM. AND THAT SAVES SEVERAL HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. AND THAT REASSESSMENT JUST REFLECTS THE DIFFERENCE THERE IN THE, HOW WE DO IT. SO THIS, UH, FROM 20, FROM 25 BACK. OKAY. THE 25, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WE JUST MOVED THAT OVER. IT USED TO BE IN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BUDGET, AND IT WAS FOR PAYMENTS TO TAX TO, UM, COLLECT, YEAH. DELINQUENT TAX, DELINQUENT TAXES. AND THEY WERE CHARGING THEM TO THE BOARD AND WE THOUGHT THEY OUGHT TO BE CHARGED BACK TO THE TREASURER WHERE THEY GET THE MONEY. AND ESSENTIALLY IT'S JUST A PASS THROUGH. BUT WE DO NEED TO BUDGET FOR IT. [00:20:23] DID YOU HAVE A STAFF THERE? NO, THERE'S NO STAFF ADDED THERE. WHAT, WHICH, WHICH YEAR? UH, FALL FROM 25 TO 26, 1 MONTH FROM NON-EXEMPT TO EXEMPT. SO YOU'LL SEE THE SECOND ROW WENT DOWN, WHEREAS THE FIRST ROW WENT UP. WHAT'S THE MAIN THING THAT ACCOUNTS FOR THE, FOR THE, WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? OH, NEVER. YEAH. FROM FY 24. ACTUAL NO, FROM FROM, YEAH. FY 24. ACTUAL TO FY 25. AMEN. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN 24 TO 25, SIR. YEAH. YEAH. WHAT, WHERE WAS A LOT OF THE, UM, FUNDS THAT ARE IN THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHICH IS THE AUDITING SERVICES. OKAY. OKAY. THAT WENT UP ALMOST A HUNDRED. YEAH. MM-HMM . OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THERE'S A JUMP IN SUPPLIES. DO YOU WANNA TELL 'EM ABOUT THAT? LOOKING UP ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR? SO IT WOULD BE $15,000 FOR DEBT BOOK, WHICH IS ONLINE, UH, SUBSCRIPTION SOFTWARE WE HAVE THAT HELPS US STEP BACK AND SLIDE, I'M SORRY, SUPPLIES. SO IT'S $15,000 FOR DEBT BOOK AND $35,000 FOR CLEAR GOV. SO THOSE TWO ARE IDENTIFIED AS SUPPLIES IN OUR BUDGET. THAT WOULD BE IT. YEAH. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . THIS IS GOOD. THIS IS THAT ODD DEPARTMENT THAT'S TRAINING DOWN. WELL, 24 WAS A BIGGER ELECTION YEAR. THAT'S KIND OF THE PRESIDENTIAL, UH, ELECTION. AND THERE WERE NOT ONLY JUST THE PRESIDENTIAL, BUT THERE WERE MORE ON THE BALLOT. AND YOU SEE HOW MUCH THE SALARIES WERE ABLE TO CHANGE AFTER THAT. UM MM-HMM . NOW WHY WAS THERE A, UH, UH, A DROP BETWEEN THE 25 ACTUAL AND 25 AMENDED? THE 25 25 ADOPTED THERE? WELL, THERE'S THE 25 ACTUAL AND A 25 AMENDED. YEAH. THEY HAD OTHER SERVICES AS 32 HAD DROPPED TO 15. OH, OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THEY HAD TELECOM OR, UH, TWO OTHER SERVICES. THE OTHER SERVICE DROPPED FROM 15 TO 5,200. OKAY. WELL, AND THE BUDGET FOR FY 25 WAS 15 FOR OTHER SERVICES THAN THE ACTUAL EXPENSE SO FAR HAS BEEN 32. YES. [00:25:01] AND THEN SAME WITH THE OTHER, SIR. OKAY. THAT MIGHT BE AN ACCOUNTING THING TOO. THE, UM, CLERK GETS A CHECK FROM THE TREASURER AND THEY DISPERSE THE JUROR PAYMENTS FOR CRIMINAL AND CIVIL CASES OUT OF THEIR OFFICE AND THEN THEY GET REIMBURSED, UM, FROM THE STATE FOR CRIMINAL. SO THAT MIGHT NOT BE APPLIED BACK TO THAT LINE, OR IT MIGHT HAVE GONE OVER FOR THAT PARTICULAR REASON. BUT, UM, WE'LL LOOK INTO THAT AND SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING ACCOUNTING WISE WE NEED TO DO. I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT OTHER SERVICES, THE FIRST OTHER SERVICES IT'S 10 16, THEN IT DOUBLES TO 32, THEN IT DROPS BACK TO 15, 15 WAS WHAT WAS BUDGETED. 'CAUSE THE ACTUAL IN 24 WAS 16. EIGHT. SO SOME, SOMETHING HAPPENED ON THOSE OTHER SERVICES. YEAH. NOW THEY'RE BUDGETED BACK IN, BACK TO THE BACK REGRESSED BACK TO THE PRIOR BUDGET AMOUNT. SO THE TWO SERVICES ARE CRIMINAL AND CIVIL JUROR REIMBURSEMENTS. OH, SO YOU CAN'T REALLY CONTROL THAT CAN NOT NECESSARILY, YEAH. THESE ARE ALL STATE COURTS. SO IT SEEMS TO ME THE STATE OUGHT BE PAYING FOR 'EM RATHER THAN BILL AND US. FOR PART OF 'EM. THEY DO PAY THE SALARIES. AND THEN THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S BUDGET. JANE, I THINK WE HAVE ANOTHER POSITION THAT THE STATE APPROVED THIS YEAR. SO THERE'S THE SALARY DIFFERENCE THERE. PORTION OF THAT WILL BE REIMBURSED BY THE STATE. THEY ADDED A PO, THREE OF THEM, THREE NEW POSITIONS. MM-HMM . SO THREE NEW POSITIONS IN THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S BUDGET. BUT THEY ARE ALL STATE. THERE ARE NO LOCAL FUNDED THAT WERE ADDED. I THINK WE HAVE ONE OR TWO THAT ARE IN THERE EXISTING THAT ARE LOCALLY FUNDED. THE ONE IS A NEWLY FILLED POSITION. THE OTHER TWO, THE STATE TOOK ON THE FUNDING THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY COUNTY FUNDED. OKAY, GOOD. THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE AND THIS IS THE SECOND PAGE. NOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE MISCELLANEOUS THAT, THAT, THAT'S DUE TO, TO, UH, THAT, UH, COMPUTER PROGRAM. IS THAT WHAT THAT IS, SHERIFF? I DUNNO WHAT THAT MISCELLANEOUS REPRESENTS. I'LL TAKE A LOOK AND SEE. MY STUFF DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS. I'M SORRY, MY, MY STUFF DOESN'T LOOK LIKE THIS, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHAT MISCELLANEOUS MEANS. SO IT'S MADE UP OF A LOT OF DIFFERENT LINES. THE VICTIM WITNESS, ANTI-DRUG GIFTS AND DONATIONS, GRANT EXPENSES, UM, SKYLINE ACADEMY FEES. SO IT WAS 4 32 CURRENT YEAR. WAS THERE ANY, AND THOSE SUBCATEGORIES, IS THERE SOMETHING THAT DROPS PARTICULAR? SO WE DON'T BUDGET FOR GRANTS THAT WE HAVEN'T EITHER APPLIED FOR OR BEEN APPROVED FOR. AND SO A LOT OF THOSE MISCELLANEOUS SPECIFIC LINES RELATE TO GRANT EXPENSES AS WE GET APPROVED FOR THOSE GRANTS OR AS THE MONEY COMES BACK AS REIMBURSEMENT, THAT'S WHERE THAT GOES. AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE BUDGET INCREASE EVERY TIME THE MONEY COMES IN AS REVENUE. SO IT BUMPS UP THAT MISCELLANEOUS LINE OR LINES, AND THEN THE REVENUE WILL ALSO INCREASE AS [00:30:01] FILE. SO THAT'S WHY YOU'RE SEEING NO BUDGET FOR 76 IS BECAUSE OF THAT. WELL, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY STARTED USING THAT CATEGORY OR SOMEBODY STARTED USING THAT CATEGORY FOR SUBSTANTIAL SUMS IN 24. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THAT, THAT, UH, THERE HAD TO BE SOME PARTICULAR, IT WENT FROM TWO 70 TO FOUR 30. WELL, TWO 70 IS JUST WAS ACTUAL SO FAR TWO 20 WAS WHAT WAS ACTUAL IN FY 24. AND THE AMENDED 2 25, 2 20 IS 4 32. RIGHT. SO THERE, THERE'S SOMETHING SUBSTANTIAL. SPECIFICALLY IT'S GRANT EXPENSES. OKAY. GRANT EXPENSES. SO ANY ANY GRANT EXPENSES THAT THE SHERIFF PURCHASES GOES OUT OF THAT ONE PARTICULAR LINE. AND THEN WHATEVER TYPE OF REVENUE IT IS WILL GO INTO THE REVENUE LINE WHEN IT PROBABLY COMES IN. EXACTLY. OKAY. YEP. EVER RECEIVED HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN GRANTS SINCE I CAME ON BOARD IN JANUARY 24. WHAT'S, UH, WHAT'S THE THIRD LINE THERE? UM, VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE DROPS DOWN FROM 222 TO 44. SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, COMPANY NINE. MM-HMM . UM, CHESTER GAP. OH, THAT'S WHERE THAT SHOWS IN THAT, AGAIN, THIS IS PAGE ONE. THIS IS SECOND PAGE. SEE THE FIRST PAGE AGAIN. SO THAT DIFFERENCE THERE ON THE, THE THIRD LINE, THE SALARY IS BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE, THE CHANGE THAT WE'RE MAKING WITH, UH, STATION NUMBER ONE? NO, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THE LINE FOUR NOW, LINE FOUR IS THE 6 621, AND THEN THEY BREAK ALL OF THESE OUT. UM, AND THIS DOES HAVE THE THREE POSITIONS IN STATION NUMBER ONE. OKAY. THEY ARE IN THERE. BUT YOU SEE THE BREAKOUT HERE CHANGES FOR, UM, JERRY HELP US OUT. THEY GET, THEY GET PAID A, UM, SALARY AND THEN THEY GET PAID FOR, THERE'S A HOLIDAY OVERTIME, AND THEN THERE'S OVERTIME OVER 53 HOURS. AND THEN THERE'S THE, UH, PART-TIME AND THEN THERE'S SOMEBODY THAT'S REGULAR OVERTIME. IF WE CALL SOMEBODY IN, WHO WAS GOING, WAS SLATED TO BE OFF. AND THOSE ARE IN ALL DIFFERENT CATEGORIES ON THERE. NOW, [00:35:01] FLSA REQUIRES THE ONE CATEGORY BECAUSE THEY'RE WORKING 53 HOURS AND 40 HOURS IS REGULAR TIME. AND THE 13 IS OVERTIME. NO, SIR. NO. YEAH. SO THE FLSA FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT IS DIFFERENT FROM FIREFIGHTERS. SO WE'RE NOT ON A 40 HOUR WORK WEEK. WE'RE ON OKAY. UH, 50 HOUR WORK WEEK. UM, SO OUR OVERTIME DOES NOT KICK IN. SO THE, THE OVERTIME CALCULATION DOES NOT KICK IN UNTIL YOU ACHIEVE THAT 50 HOUR MARKER, NOT 40 HOURS. SO THEN THIS IS THE TIME OVER THE 50 HOURS? CORRECT. SO OUR, IF A FIREFIGHTER WORKS A, THE WAY THAT WE ARE SCHEDULED BASED OFF OF THE THREE SHIFTS AND THE 24 HOUR SHIFT EVERY MONTH, THEY GO OVER THAT, UM, FLSA STANDARD. SO THEIR NORMAL SCHEDULE HAS OVERTIME BUILT INTO IT. SO THAT'S FLSA OVERTIME. THE HOLIDAY OVERTIME IS FOR HOLIDAYS, WORK AND NOT WORKED. THEN WE HAVE NORMAL OVERTIME. IEI PICK UP AN EXTRA SHIFT WHERE I GOT CALLED BACK IN. SO THERE'S THREE OVERTIME CATEGORIES WITHIN THE FIRE AND RESCUE BUDGET INSURANCE BOARD. THANK YOU. AND THE, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IF THEY'RE SCHEDULED OFF, THEY ARE PAID UNDER OVERTIME OR A HOLIDAY PAY THE SAME AS THE OTHERS. IS THAT CORRECT? HOW DO THEY DO THAT? UM, I'M SCHEDULED OFF ON THE HOLIDAY. IF, IF YOU WORK THE HOLIDAY, THEN YOU GET TIME AND A HALF. IF YOU DON'T WORK THE HOLIDAY, THEN THEY GET PAID HOURS STREET TIME. SO YOU GET STREET TIME FOR THAT. OKAY. BUT WE TOO ARE, WE'RE UNDER FSLA, SO WE HAVE TO WORK 171 HOURS IN ORDER TO, THAT NEXT HOUR WOULD BE OVERTIME. SO WE COULD WORK, I DON'T 50 HOURS A WEEK, BUT YOU DO NOT GET OVERTIME UNTIL 71 HOURS. THAT'S ALL STRAIGHT TIME. OKAY. THANK YOU. MIKE'S FAVORITE SUBJECTS? I HAVE A QUESTION. OH, HERE. SO AT, SO WHAT NOT RESCUE, UM, PUBLIC WORKS AND SANITARY DISTRICTS. SO WHY DO WE HAVE SANITARY DISTRICTS? PART OF PUBLIC WORKS. WE COLLECT MONEY FROM THE DIFFERENT SAN SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT JUST GOES RIGHT BACK OUT TO THEM. ARE WE, ARE WE, UM, HAVE TO BUDGET FOR MISCELLANEOUS EFFORTS FOR PUBLIC WORKS THAT ARE NOT BEING PICKED UP FROM THE FEES THAT WE ARE GETTING FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICTS? SO THE SANITARY JUMP IN HERE. SO THE SANITARY DISTRICT NAME WAS ORIGINALLY ATTACHED TO PUBLIC WORKS BECAUSE WE GOT INTO DOING OTHER SANITARY DISTRICTS BESIDES CHAND, BUT THIS BUDGET HAS GROWN BEYOND SANITARY DISTRICTS. SO I'M IN THIS BUDGET. MY OPERATIONS, UH, MANAGER TRAVIS IS IN THIS BUDGET. UM, AND THEN THERE'S BEEN, WELL, WHEN WE HAD THE KIND OF MERGER OF ALL PARKS AND REC MAINTENANCE, WE ALSO HAD SOME OTHER FOLKS WITH UKG THAT JUST GOT MOVED. AND I THINK THIS ONE HAD A INCREASE, UH, THIS TIME. I'M TRYING TO SEE IT FAR AWAY, UM, AS WELL. BUT, SO THERE ARE TIMES WHERE WE WILL, YOU KNOW, PURCHASE A SUPPLY AND THEN YOUR REIMBURSEMENT. UM, BUT SO NOW CORY, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE IT TO THAT SANITARY DISTRICT. BUT, BUT THIS GOES BEYOND SANITARY DISTRICTS. THIS, THIS IS ME AND OTHER STAFF. UH, ALL THE COURTHOUSE, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, UM, ALL THE MOWING THAT IS DONE, THOSE FELLOWS ARE IN THIS BUDGET AS WELL. RIGHT. BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT THERE'S JUST A VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE OF, SO ANY WORK THAT'S DONE WITH LABOR THAT GOES, SO LET'S USE LAKEFRONT. WELL, UM, IF WE GO THERE AND WE, WE MOW, WE ACTUALLY MOW THEIR COMMON PROPERTY, I'M GONNA BUILD THEM FOR, YOU KNOW, OUR MOWER AND OUR MAN AND OUR EQUIPMENT AND WE'LL GET A REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT. RIGHT. SO THAT SHOWS OVER THE REVENUE THAT WOULD BE COMING FROM YOUR LAKEFRONT ROYAL BUDGET, RIGHT? SANITARY, NOT THIS BUDGET COME BACK. WELL, I I MEAN THE, IF I BUY A LAWNMOWER FOR THE COUNTY THAT [00:40:01] WE'RE USING UP THERE, I'M GONNA USE THIS BUDGET. CORRECT. YOU COULD USE FUEL RIGHT. ACROSS EVERYTHING. MONEY BACK ON. OKAY. YES MA'AM. SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, ANY, ANY WORK THAT I'M GONNA USE THE MANAGE MM-HMM . VERSUS THE NON-MANAGED. SO ANY SANITARY DISTRICT THAT MANAGE WHERE WE COLLECT, UH, THAT THE, UM, SANITARY DISTRICTS COLLECTS FUNDING FROM THEIR RESIDENTS. THEY PRESENT A BUDGET AND ANY WORK THAT'S DONE IN THOSE, THOSE FACILITIES OR THAT DISTRICT IS COMING OUT OF THAT POT OF MONEY, EXTRA POT OF MONEY. MOST THAT THEY, THAT WE, BUT THAT WE AS THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE DURING THE, UM, TAX. RIGHT. OKAY. SO, SO YOU DO HAVE BUT INDO FARMS, I WILL SAY THEY HAVE THEIR OWN FOUR MEN IN THEIR BUDGET. AND THAT'S IN THEIR BUDGET. NOT THIS BUDGET. YES. THAT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET. OKAY. SO IS IT SAFE TO SAY, IS IT SAFE TO SAY THAT ANY OF THESE EXPENSES THAT HAVE A PIECE OF A SANITARY DISTRICTS OR OVERHEAD EXPENSES TO COVER YOUR FEE IN CASE SOMEBODY CALLS YOU UP AND SAYS, HEY, I GOT A PROBLEM. RIGHT. THAT WOULD BE COMING OUT OF THIS BUDGET AND NOT . CORRECT. SO I, FOR MY TIME FOR, I MEAN EVEN CHIN FARMS, LIKE, I MEAN MY OPERATIONS MANAGER, YOU KNOW, DURING THE RECENT, HMM. WE DEAL FOR THAT TIME FOR THE TEAM THAT HAD, OKAY. SO WE'RE SEGREGATING THOSE COSTS. SO LAST QUESTION. WE, WE, UH, COLLECT A, UM, ADMIN FEE CORRECT. TO DO IN THE PROCESS? YES. HOW DOES THAT ADMIN FEE OFFSET THE COST THAT WE WERE JUST TALKING ABOUT? THAT COMES OUTTA YOUR BUDGET TO DO THE CEMETERY? THAT ADMIN FEE, UM, GOES BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND UHHUH. AND THE REASON, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, THAT WAS ESTABLISHED. THAT'S FOR BILLING, ISN'T IT? THAT'S FOR THE BILLING. FOR THE BILLING. IT DOESN'T CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR EFFORT HERE. IT ONLY CONTRIBUTES TO THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER TREASURER. OKAY. THOSE FOLKS. COMMISS? YES, MA'AM. ALRIGHT. YEAH. IT GOES INTO GENERAL FUND REVENUE. I DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. ALL, SO ANY EFFORTS THAT, THAT IS CONSIDERED IN MIGHT, IN MY THOUGHT PROCESS OF OVERHEAD IS COMING OUT OF THE TAX DOLLARS OR GENERAL FUND FOR SANITARY DISTRICTS? ANYTHING AS FAR AS YOUR EFFORT? ALL MY, YOUR EFFORT TO MANAGE ALL OF THE SANITARY DISTRICTS, I WOULD APPEAL MY EFFORTS AND MY FIRM'S EFFORTS OTHER THAN THAT TREASURE COMMISSIONER. RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE THAT ADMINISTRATOR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU. THIS IS ASSUMING THAT WE DID, WE DON'T HAVE THOSE BIG HIKES THAT WE WERE FACING DOWN IN, UH, PAGE 10. THIS ASSUMES, UH, IN ESSENCE, UH, AN INCREASE IN THE VOLUME, BUT THAT THE RATE IS RELATIVELY STABLE. THIS DOES NOT ASSUME A, THE SKY, UH, INCREASE THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT. OKAY. COULD YOU FLIP TO THE, TO THE TOTAL AND THEN, THEN MAYBE BACK. LEMME JUST SEE THE PHOTO FIRST. GO BACK. WHAT WAS THE QUESTION? I WAS JUST ASKING TO SEE THE LAST SLIDE FIRST. AND NOW I WANNA SEE THIS. [00:45:15] ANY QUESTIONS? HOW DO UTILITIES COSTS DROP? OH, DID THEY DROP? NO, I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THAT REQUEST VERSUS THE, WERE THEY ANTICIPATED TO GO AWAY YET? WHAT ARE UTILITIES COSTS AT ELECTRIC BILL? YES. ELECTRIC FOR EVERYBODY. GAS, WATER, I'M ASSUMING WASTE SINCE IT'S NOT BROKEN SERVICES AND BUILDINGS, PARKS. AND THAT FLUCTUATES GREATLY. YEAH. AS YOU'LL SEE OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS TOO, THAT JUST WEATHER. HOW HARD IS THE WINTER? HOW HARD IS THE SUMMER? YEAH. I WOULD DEFINITELY CONSIDER THOSE AS MAIN FACTORS AND THOSE EXPENSES. GOOD. OKAY. SO THESE DEPARTMENTS ARE ALSO PROVIDED ON THE PARTNER AGENCIES, BUT HERE YOU'LL SEE HOW THEY'RE BROKEN OUT PER THE CATEGORY IN THE EXPENDITURES. SO WE'RE NO LONGER FUNDING FRIENDS OF SHENANDOAH RIVER. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES, IT'S JUST THE CATEGORIES THAT FALL UNDER HEALTH AND OTHER SOCIAL SERVICES. OKAY. YOU'RE GONNA SEE SOME MORE CATEGORIES ON HERE. SO THAT WOULD BE IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. YEAH, THAT'S ENVIRONMENTAL MANAGEMENT, I BELIEVE. OKAY. TRANSFER TO THE EDA FUND USED TO BE AN EXPENDITURE. UM, SO WE'RE WORKING ON GETTING THAT TO BE A PARTNER AGENCY. THE, UM, REGIONAL JAIL WILL BE ABOUT $200,000 HIGHER THAN THIS, THAN WHAT YOU SEE HERE. OKAY. BUT SHE'S GOT A PLAN FOR IT. WHO, WHAT? SHE HAS A PLAN FOR IT. WE'RE GONNA ADD, SHE'S GONNA SHOW YOU THE $200,000, BUT IT'S NOT THERE. 'CAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO CHANGE WHAT WE GAVE YOU LAST WEEK. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT GONNA TAKE AWAY FROM ANY OF THESE LINE ITEMS. THERE'S NOT, NOT TO FUND THE JAIL, NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE AND THIS IS THE SECOND PAGE. GO BACK TO THE FIRST PAGE. I JUST WANT TO BRING UP JUST AN OBSERVATION WITH PARKS AND REC BUDGET. YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW THE REVENUE THAT WE BRING IN PARKS AND REC REC IS 20 30%. SO 70% OF THEIR EXPENSES ARE COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. NOT, YEAH. I JUST WANNA HOPE THAT MAYBE, YOU KNOW, WE CAN START LOOKING AT SOME EFFICIENCIES OR MAYBE OTHER WAYS OF BRINGING REVENUE IN TO OFFSET THAT. I MEAN, IT'S, IT KIND OF, TO ME IT'S, UM, WE HAD THE PROBLEM YEARS AGO WITH PLANNING UNTIL WE WROTE RAISED THE FEES AND STUFF BECAUSE THERE WAS THAT OFFSET. BUT JUST AN OBSERVATION. I'M NOT SAYING WE NEED TO CUT ANYTHING. AND THE BIG, UM, THE BIG COST YOU HAVE TO BE AWARE OF, REMEMBER IS PARK'S MAINTENANCE. IT'S OVER HERE IN ONE OF MIKE'S BUDGETS. YEAH. BUT THIS IS JUST PART, THIS IS JUST RECREATION. RIGHT. AND I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M MAKING THE PROBLEM WORSE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. NO, I'M BY ADDING BECAUSE THE REC, THE MAINTENANCE IS THE OTHER PIECE OF IT. BUT THAT'S IN MIKE'S BUDGET. THAT'S NOT IN THIS BUDGET. NO, NOT IN MY BUDGET. SO I'M JUST SAYING RIGHT NOW THE TOTAL BUDGET THAT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR 26 IS I HAVE, I WROTE DOWN 948,000 MM-HMM . 786. I WENT BACK TO THE REVENUE PAGE AND IT'S, IT SAID FEES, PARTS AND BREADTH WAS ONLY, AND THIS IS PRO FORECAST FOR NEXT YEAR, NOT WHAT MM-HMM . WE BROUGHT IN, I'M LOOKING AT, UH, 26 AND IT WAS 275,000. SO THAT'S 673 K. THAT'S COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL PLAN THAT THE REVENUE IS NOT OFFSETTING FOR JUST PARKS AND REC ONLY. YES. JUST RECREATIONS. RIGHT, RIGHT. PARTS IS ANOTHER [00:50:01] COST. THAT'S ANOTHER THAT'S, WE VOTED, WE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THAT ONE. SO, SO I DID. IT'S AN OBSERVATION AND I JUST WANTED TO, UM, BRING THAT UP. GOOD POINT TO EVERYONE'S ATTENTION. IF WE DON'T KEEP AN EYE ON THAT EVERY YEAR, IT'S GONNA KEEP INCREASING. CAN YOU GO BACK TO PARK FOR A, I WAS JUST NOTICING A LOT OF, UH, INCREASES IN THE SUPPLIES CATEGORIES AND UM, OVERALL I THINK IT'S ABOUT ALMOST 80, 80,000. I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT ARE DRIVING THAT. UM, FOR THE RECREATIONAL SUPPLIES. UM, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE MONEY TO PUT ON PROGRAMS. WE DO CHARGE EXTRA TO THE COUNTY RESIDENTS TO OFFSET. MM-HMM. UM, HOWEVER, ALL THE MONEY WE GAVE, SO WE SPEND $10,000 ON FOR BASKETBALL AND UP UNTIL THIS YEAR WE COULDN'T EVEN RUN IT AS A PASS THROUGH. SO WE HAD TO THAT COST, EVEN THOUGH WE CHARGED THE COUNTY PEOPLE THE MONEY TO PAY FOR THEIR JERSEY, BUT WE DIDN'T GET IT. WE HAVE PICKLEBALL PROGRAMS. THEY WANT NETS. THEY'RE LIKE, WE GIVE YOU MONEY TO DO OUR PICKLEBALL. WHY CAN'T YOU BUY NETS? BUT WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY WENT BACK INTO THE GENERAL, SO WHAT YOU'RE PROVIDING SERVICE FOR, WE'RE NOT GETTING THAT MONEY BACK FOR THAT SERVICE THAT THE PEOPLE ARE PARTICIPATING IN. IT GOES TO THE GENERAL FUND AND WE DON'T SEE IT. SO, UM, WE NEED MORE MONEY TO OFFER PROGRAMS. WE COULDN'T OFFER ANY BUS TRIPS THIS YEAR. EVEN THOUGH WHEN WE DO THE TICKETS, WE TAKE INTO ACCOUNT ALL THE FEES THAT GO INTO IT. WE DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY TO PAY TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE BECAUSE WE DON'T GET THAT MONEY. UM, MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, MAINTENANCE WENT OVER TO PARKS AND REC, BUT WE STILL HAVE TO PURCHASE . WE HAVE TO PURCHASE IT TO GET IT REPAIRED. THEY REPAIRED FOR US, BUT WE HAVE TO PURCHASE IT. SO ANY ITEMS THAT BREAK AT THE GYM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE HAVE TO PURCHASE IT. THEY DON'T HAVE THAT MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET. SO WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. WE HAVE TO OUTSOURCE A POOL COMPANY TO COME IN AND GET OUR POOL UP AND RUNNING. SO THAT'S A SERVICE THAT'S NOT PROVIDED BY PUBLIC WORKS THEY DON'T HAVE DEMAND FOR. THAT'S NOT THEIR EXPERTISE. WE UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE HAVE TO BUDGET FOR THAT. SO WHY DO WE HAVE THAT, UH, THAT THAT POLICY, THAT WHATEVER THEY COLLECT, WHAT WHATEVER, UM, THE, UH, UH, THAT THEY COLLECT FOR SAY LIKE NETS AND, YOU KNOW, AND SUPPLIES, THEN IT GOES INTO THE GENERAL FUND INSTEAD OF BEING USED FOR THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE THINK THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR. WELL, IT'S, IT, THE REIMBURSEMENT GOES BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. BUT WHAT I'M SAYING IS, SHOULDN'T IT BE KINDA LIKE THE WHERE THEIR, UH, PARKS AND RICK GET, UH, THAT THEY GET THE MONEY? SAY LIKE, UH, SOMEBODY WANTS TO PLAY PICKLEBALL SO THEY GIVE, UH, HOW MUCH, HOW MUCH DO, DO YOU ALL CHARGE FOR PICKLEBALL? SO IT'S $3 A DROP IN. OKAY. THREE. AND I THINK WE MADE HUNDRED 70 LAST SEASON AND PICKLEBALL LIKE 40 ON AMAZON, THEY WANTED US TO BUY PICKLEBALL AT THE END. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANY MONEY IN OUR BUDGET AND THEY ASKED FOR SOME MONEY THAT WAS SO HOW COME THAT MONEY CAN'T BE USED TO, YOU KNOW, SET ASIDE AND BE USED FOR THINGS TO, TO, BECAUSE TO ME IT IT TO ME, IF I WAS A USER AND I KNEW THIS, I'D BE THINKING THAT, WELL, THIS IS THE OLD BAIT AND SWITCH. YOU KNOW, I GIVE YOU THREE, THREE BUCKS TO GO PLAY PICKLEBALL BECAUSE THAT $3 GOES TO THE COUNTY AND IT DOESN'T GO TO TO MY BEING ABLE TO PLAY PICKLEBALL. IT DOES. IT'S ALL GENERAL FUND. OKAY. SO WE BUDGET FOR THE REVENUES AS MUCH AS WE BUDGET FOR THE EXPENDITURES. OKAY. BUT THEY DON'T EXACTLY EQUAL WHEN IT COMES TO SPECIFIC SERVICES OKAY. THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES. BUT IN ORDER TO HAVE A BALANCE BUDGET, WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR BOTH. WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE, THE REVENUE THAT SUPPORTS ALL GENERAL FUND DEPARTMENTS AND THEN WE NEED TO ACCOUNT FOR THE EXPENDITURES. OKAY. IF AT ANY POINT DURING THE FISCAL YEAR WE RECEIVE MORE MONEY THAN WHAT WE'VE BUDGETED FOR, THEN WE WOULD DO A BUDGET SUPPLEMENT AND WE WOULD APPROPRIATE THE EXTRA MONEY BACK TO PARKS AND REC TO A SPECIFIC LINE ITEM. ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. BUT THAT'S WHAT MRS. COOK WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE 900 VERSUS THE TWO 50. TWO 60. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE. [00:55:24] I HAVE A QUESTION ON ONLINE, ON SPECIALTY PROGRAMS AT THE END. OH, THE LAST ONE. OKAY. 12 K TO 88 K. NOW WE'RE 15 K. SO WHAT, WHAT ARE THE SPECIALTY PROGRAMS? ARE THOSE PRE-PLANNED? NO, THERE, THERE'RE A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT PROGRAMS. THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE STRUCTURED TOURISM PROGRAMS, BUT OTHERS ARE, ARE JUST MARKETING PROGRAMS THAT WE'VE BEEN LOOKING INTO. NONE OF THEM HAVE BEEN FORMALLY DEDICATED, UM, WITH TOURISM. THIS WAS US TRYING TO BASICALLY BALANCE THE EXPENDITURES TO THE REVENUES. SO THAT'S WHERE THE, UM, ADDITIONAL PROGRAMS WE PUT INTO SPECIAL, THE 360. SO THERE ISN'T ANY PLANNED PROGRAM THAT WAS, THAT YOU DIDN'T LOOK AT ANY KIND OF PROGRAMS YOU JUST LOOKED AT, I THINK I NEED THIS MUCH MONEY OR DO YOU HAVE IDEAS OR IS THERE ANY THERE ARE IDEAS, HOWEVER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT, SO THE $360,000 IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT NEEDS TO BE SPENT SPECIFICALLY ON TOURISM, UM, IN ORDER TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE, UM, 1%. AND SO THAT IS WHERE WE PUT IT. SO WE MAY NOT KNOW THE PROGRAM CURRENTLY, HOWEVER, WE KNOW THAT IT WOULD NEED TO BE IN THE TOURISM BUDGET RATHER THAN SOMEWHERE ELSE IN THE GENERAL FUND. SO IT'S AVAILABLE FOR A TOURISM PROJECT, BUT THE 3 CENTS, 60% HAS TO BE ALLOCATED TO TOURISM. UNDERSTAND. AND THAT'S WHERE THE 360 COMES FROM. UNDERSTAND THAT'S THE, THE MAP WITH COMING IN FROM. SO THEN YOU CAN, AND ALL THAT STUFF, THE MONEY FOR A PROGRAM THAT THE BOARD DESIRES. SO WE CAN LOOK AT IT AS A, A SLOT IN TOURISM IF SOMETHING COMES UP. WE HAVE TOURISM PROJECT. UH, SO THERE'S NO PROGRAMS PER SE, BUT IF THERE'S A NEAT PROGRAM THAT COMES ALONG, THEN WE HAVE THIS MUCH, THIS IS OUR BUDGET FOR IT. UH, YES. OKAY. AND THE LIBERTY MAN WAS IN AND TALKED TO YOU ABOUT SEVERAL HISTORIC MARKERS, CORRECT? MM-HMM . AND THAT'S WHERE THIS WOULD COME FROM, COME FROM THAT IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT. IF WE CHOOSE TO DO THAT. OKAY. AND, UH, PLANNING HAS BEEN WORKING ON DESIGN A REALLY NICE MARKER THAT, UM, YOU DON'T HAVE IT HERE, DO YOU MATT? I AGREE. YEAH. BUT THEY, UM, FOR UH, JUDGE MARK, JUDGE MARSHALL, AND IF THAT GETS APPROVED, WE SUBMIT IT TO THE STATE AND THE STATE WILL PUT UP A MARKER, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR IT. RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, THAT MAKES SENSE. I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF WE HAD PROGRAMS SCHEDULED, BUT NO, IT MAKES SENSE. OH, THERE'S, CAN YOU GO BACK WHEN IT WAS THE, UH, EXTENSION SERVICE? THE OH, VIRGINIA . OKAY. YEAH. GOTCHA. THAT'S THE EXTENSION OFFICE DOWN THE HALL THERE. MM-HMM . SO WITH ALL OF THESE, UM, LABOR DOLLARS THAT WE, WE'VE BEEN SEEING BENEFITS, I KNOW WE'RE GETTING, WE HAVE THAT COLA 3% THAT DO, IS THAT COMING OUTTA THIS BUDGET? YES. OR IS THAT COMING OUTTA HERE? NO, THE 3% IS IN THIS BUDGET IN HERE. WHICH, UH, I THINK IT'S NUMBER 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 DOWN THERE IS THE 3%. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. THAT'S THE 760,000? YES. ALRIGHT. THE 500 IS THE CONTINGENCY, WHICH IF YOU REMEMBER LAST THIS YEAR, WE ENDED UP USING THAT AT THE COURTHOUSE. RIGHT. WHAT ABOUT THE LAST RESERVE? [01:00:01] LAST 50? THE, THE SIX 50. THAT'S THE MIRACLE POOL. THAT'S THE TWO AND A HALF UP TO TWO POINT HALF PERCENT. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT. VERY GOOD. OKAY, SPEAKING OF CONTINGENCY, UM, WHAT HAPPENED LAST YEAR WHEN THE CSA CAME IN WITH THE LATE BREAKING REQUEST FOR AN EXTRA MILLION? THAT THAT CAME FROM THE RESERVES? THAT CAME FROM THE RESERVES, OKAY. YES. SO REMEMBER WE DID 500 AND KIND OF, WE'RE GONNA ROLL THE DICE AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED. BUT, UM, DID THEY END UP NEEDING THE FULL MILLION CLOSE TO IT? YEAH. I'M NOT QUITE THE PHONE BILLING. EXCUSE ME. UM, WE WERE A LITTLE UNDER BUDGET MM-HMM . BUT NOT BY MUCH. OKAY. UM, ABOUT 200,000. OKAY. SO WE, WE DID NEED A LOT OF THAT, BUT NOT QUITE EVERYTHING. SO ABOUT HALF OF THE EXTRA THERE, . RIGHT. JOHN'S GOT A BETTER HANDLE ON IT NOW. SO WE'RE, SO THIS IS BROKEN OUT INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF DEBT. SO WE HAVE PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS AND WE HAVE INTEREST PAYMENTS. AND THE LAST ONE, AS YOU SEE IS INCREASED GREATLY OVER THE LAST FISCAL YEARS BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BUDGETED FOR THE PAYMENT THAT WE MAKE TO THE COUNTER FRONT RULES WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT, BUT IT'S TECHNICALLY A DEBT SERVICE. SO THAT $126,000 PAYMENT IS NOW INCLUDED IN THE DEBT SERVICE. IT'S GONNA BE UNDER SERVICES FROM OTHER GOVERNMENTS. SO IT'S BROKEN OUT FROM ANYTHING ELSE. UM, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN OUR TOTAL NUMBERS THAT WE PROVIDED IN OUR DEBT BOOKS. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE THAT IN THE BIG NUMBERS. IT'S GONNA BE LIKE A LITTLE ASTERISK ON THE SIDE THAT SAYS IT'S NOT INCLUDED. JUST TO REMIND YOU, UM, THE TOWN, UH, ACCEPTS THE SLUDGE FROM, OR THE SEPTIC RATHER FROM OUR HAULERS. THEY'RE OUT IN THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY AGREED TO FUND THE COST OF IMPROVEMENTS AT THE TOWN'S WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT FOR THE HAULERS. AND SO WHEN A HAULER DELIVERS A LOAD, THE, UH, COUNTY BILLS THEM, THE TOWN SAYS THIS IS HOW MUCH IT WAS AND THEIR SHARE, AND THEN WE GET A PORTION OF IT. SO THAT'S ADDED ON. AND THEN WE BILL THE HAUL. HOW MUCH DOES THE TOWN KNOW? IT'S ON, UH, BEACH RUN ON LEACH RUN. UM, ABOUT, UH, 600,000. OKAY. AND ABOUT, UH, ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT ON THE POLICE STATION. SO THAT'D BE ABOUT 1.2 MILLION APPROXIMATELY. AND THAT'S ROUND NUMBER, SIR. AND THE TOWN CONTRIBUTES TO THAT AS WELL. WHAT, WHAT TO THE, TO, TO THE VRA PAYMENT? WELL, THAT'S FOR THEIR PORTION ON THEIR MAIN PLAN, RIGHT? WELL, NO, THIS IS, THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLAN. AND THIS IS FOR THE LEG RUN PARKWAY, VRA ALONE. SO THERE'S TWO SEPARATE LOANS. THERE'S THE LOAN THAT WE HAVE THAT THE TOWN CONTRIBUTES TO EACH YEAR. AND THAT'S ABOUT HOW MUCH IN, UH, ONE 70, I WANNA SAY. I WAS GONNA SAY A LITTLE BIT LESS THAN 200. YEAH. AND THEY PAY THAT EACH YEAR. WE HAD TO, WE HAD TO CATCH UP ABOUT THREE YEARS, BUT THEY NOW PAY THAT EACH YEAR. AND THEN THERE'S THE OTHER LOAN THAT WENT THROUGH THE EDA AND THAT'S THE ONE THE COUNTY ENDED UP CARRYING FOR SEVERAL YEARS. AND THEN, UH, 400,000 LEFT ON IT. APPROXIMATELY. LET ME GET A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT WE STOPPED PAYING AND SAID IF THE TOWN WERE TO START PAYING, WE WOULD CONTRIBUTE OUR SHARE. AND THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONE WITH UNITED BANK. OKAY. THE, UH, FUNDING OF, UH, LEACH RUN IS A FASCINATING STUDY, SIR. , BEFORE YOU MOVE ON MM-HMM . SO WHY DID THE, UM, I'M ASSUMING THE FIRST LINE IS THE PRINCIPAL LINE? YES. SO WHY [01:05:01] DID IT GET INCREASED? BECAUSE WE HAVE AMENDED OF 8,000,457 AND THEN WE'LL PROPOSE 8 MILLION 7 29. HOW NICE OF YOU TO ASK? OH GEEZ. OKAY. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT LEAD IN FOR HER. . OH, THAT'S FOR THE 200,000 IS COMING. GOTTA BORROW 200,000. NO. SO YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT THE DIFFERENCE. UM, YOUR, YOUR YOUR SCHOOL BOARD. MY WHAT? SCHOOL BOARD. THE SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOLS IN THE PAST HAS PAID, UH, HOW MUCH? 650,000. AND THEY PAY THAT EACH YEAR ON DEBT FOR ENERGY BONDS. AND THEN THEY RECEIVE A REBATE, APPROXIMATELY 30% OF IT. UH, SHE'S GOT THE NUMBERS ON ANOTHER CHART HERE WE'LL GO TO, BUT ON THAT, THEY DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. MM-HMM . SO WE PUT IT IN OURS. SO WHEN THEY TELL YOU YOU'RE ONLY GIVING THEM TWO AND A HALF PERCENT IN INCREASE, YOU'RE ACTUALLY GIVING THEM FIVE AND THEY NEED, YOU MAY NEED TO REMIND THEM OF THAT. THEY SEEM TO FORGET. SO WE'RE, WE'RE COVERING THEIR, THEIR DEBT THIS YEAR. WELL, IT'S ALL COUNTY DEBT. WELL, OKAY. I BUT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY THAT DEBT WAS BEING REPAID BY THE SCHOOL BUDGET. RIGHT. AND THEN THE REBATE, EXCUSE ME, OF THIS 30% FOR ENERGY SAVINGS WENT INTO THE SCHOOL BUDGET REVENUES MM-HMM . AND THEY HAD NOT INCLUDED THAT IN THIS YEAR'S PROPOSAL, THIS NEW PROPOSAL THAT, UH, KIND OF GOT LOST ALONG THE WAYSIDE AND THEY FORGOT TO MENTION IT IN THEIR PRESENTATION. UH, DID, DID THEY NOT INCLUDE THE DEBT AND NOT INCLUDE THE 30% REBATE? THEY DID NOT INCLUDE THE DEBT. I DON'T BELIEVE THEY INCLUDED THE 30%. SO WHEN THAT COMES TO THEM, THAT'S A LITTLE SLUSH FILE. WELL, WE'LL WE'RE, IF WE'RE PAYING THE DEBT, WE'RE GOING TO GET THE, THE REBATE. REBATE. WE'LL GET THE REBATE. YEAH. OKAY. BUT IT SAVES THEM 60%, SAVES THEM APPROXIMATELY 430,000. YES, EXACTLY. A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THAT. SO, SO WHEN YOU SAY FORGOT, IS THAT A FORGOT OR IS IT A FORGOT? WELL, I, I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK FOR THEM, SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I, I CAN SAY THAT IT WAS AN ADMINISTRATIVE REQUEST ON MY BEHALF TO STREAMLINE THE PROCESS OF PAYING ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE. OKAY. AND THEN ACCOUNTING FOR, BUT THEY DIDN'T TELL YOU. RIGHT. THAT'S, THAT'S THE PIECE, THAT'S THE KEY. THEY JUST FORGOT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THAT. WHEN THEY SAID THEY WEREN'T GETTING ANY MORE MONEY, THEY FORGOT THEY WERE ALREADY GETTING ABOUT 450,000. THAT REMINDS ME OF, UH, WHEN MY SON COMES TO ME AND SAYS, HEY DAD, CAN I BORROW 20 BUCKS? AND I SAY, OKAY, BRING ME THE, UH, CHANGE. AND THEN THE NEXT DAY HE SAYS, HEY DAD, WE'RE GOING ON A SCHOOL TRIP AND I HAVE 40 BUCKS. AND I LOOK AT HIM AND I GO, WELL, HOW ABOUT THAT CHANGE THAT YOU WERE GOING TO GIVE ME? AND HE GOES, OH, I FORGOT THAT EXACTLY. YOU GOT IT. YOU GOT IT. SO WE'RE GIVING THEM MORE THAN WHAT WE ORIGINALLY BUDGETED. YES. WELL THIS IS NEXT YEAR. YOU HAVEN'T APPROVED IT. OH, OKAY. BUT IN THIS BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR, WE HAVE 750 IN THE INCREASE FOR INSURANCE. CORRECT. BUT THERE'S ALSO, IN ALL OF THEIR DOCUMENTS THAT THEY ORIGINALLY PRESENTED, THEY DID NOT SHOW THE EXPENSE OF THE DEBT SERVICE. YEAH. SO, SO THAT WAS NOT COUNTED AS ONE OF THEIR ORIGINAL COST, IF YOU WILL. THEY JUST GOT IT. SO THAT'S ANOTHER 270,000 BUCKS EXACTLY. ON TOP OF THE 750 THAT WELL, IT'S ABOUT FOUR 50. YEAH. IT'S 4 4 4 30, ABOUT 450,000 ADDITIONAL. SO THE TOTAL IS GONNA BE, UM, APPROXIMATELY 1.2 MILLION MM-HMM . RATHER THAN 7 55. RIGHT. WELL IT'S ONLY 7 50 50. I'M SORRY. THEY'LL REMIND YOU. YOU DIDN'T GIVE 'EM THE FIVE. THANK YOU. AND THAT'S RELATED TO THE ENERGY PERFORMANCE CONTRACT? YES. IT WAS A STATE BOND 10 YEARS AGO. APPROXIMATELY 2016. OKAY. NOT QUITE. [01:10:03] SO THE TRANSFER FOR DSS AND CSA YES. THAT'S OUR CONTRIBUTION. IS THAT CORRECT? THEY GET MONEY FROM THE STATE? THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. THIS IS JUST A LOCAL ONLY CONTRIBUTION. THIS IS OUR LOCAL BUDGET. RIGHT. AND THAT'S BECAUSE THERE'S SOMETHING LIKE EVERY DOLLAR THEY SPEND, THEY GET 75% BACK. RIGHT. WHEN WE KEEP, SO WE'RE THE GENERAL FUND IS FUNDING THAT. RIGHT. OKAY. AND THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. VERY GOOD FOR COMBINING DSS AND CSA. DID WE, UM, ACKNOWLEDGE NOT SO MUCH ACKNOWLEDGE. DID WE UH, DO YOU WANNA COME UP HERE, JOHN HERE, EFFICIENCY DOCTORS, YOU WANNA COME UP HERE? YES. UH, THE ADMINISTRATIVE. YEAH. DO YOU WANT TO COME UP HERE? COME UP ARE YOU CAN HEAR WHAT SHE'S ASKING. OKAY. IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I PROPOSED THAT MY CSA HE CAN'T HEAR YOU. 2 MILLION OR 4 MILLION. SORRY, I NEED HEARING AGENT. OH, THAT'S OKAY. I FORGOT MINE TOO. SO, UM, WHEN WE CONSOLIDATED DSS AND CSA AND THAT CONSOLIDATION, DID WE REALIZE ANY OPPORTUNITY COST DID WE WERE ABLE TO BE MORE EFFICIENT SO THE COST WENT DOWN. YES. AND WE CAN USE SOMETHING DIFFERENT. ALL THAT WE ARE ABLE TO CLAIM A LITTLE BIT OF REIMBURSEMENT OKAY. FOR POSITION. OKAY, GOOD. CONSOLIDATED. IT'S, IT'S GOOD. YES MA'AM. IT JUST MAKES SENSE BECAUSE THEY'RE THE SAME INDUSTRY. OH, ABSOLUTELY. SO WHEN YOU GUYS SAID THAT, I THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA. RIGHT. OKAY. THAT'S ALL I NEED TO KNOW. MOST PLACES AROUND THE STATE IS A PART OF DSS. MM-HMM . NOTICE MAKES SENSE. SO, SO THIS IS A WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS LOCAL CONTRIBUTION FROM FY 20 TO FY 26. AND THE CAPITAL FUND BUDGET REQUESTS HAVE BEEN BROKEN OUT INTO THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF PROJECTS. THEY HAD THE BLUE RIDGE TECHNICAL ROOF, E WILSON MORRISON RENOVATION, LFK RENOVATION, AND THEN THE BUSES WE'RE GONNA GO BACK AND LOOK, I THINK MRS. COLORS, THERE WERE A COUPLE OF OTHER PROJECTS ABOUT 21 AND 22. WASN'T THERE SOMETHING DONE AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? A S ROADS WAS BEING WORKED ON FINISHING FINISH UP BETWEEN 20 PROBABLY WERE DONE 20 AND 21. BUT DIDN'T WE DO SOMETHING ON THEN AT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL? OH NO, IT WAS NOT. MIDDLE SCHOOL WAS NO THE, UH, NO. UM, SOME, SOME RENOVATION AT WARREN COUNTY, MIDDLE WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE'S NEW NEXT TO THE HOSPITAL. THAT'S A NEWVILLE. OKAY. SKYLINE, I'M, WHICH SCHOOL IS WHICH? YEAH. I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOMETHING DONE TO THE ROOF OR AIR CONDITIONING OR SOMETHING. UH, BLUE. WELL, WE'VE GOT THE BLUE RIDGE TECHNICAL ROOF. THAT WAS PART, UH, I THINK THERE WAS SOME WORK THAT HAD TO BE DONE OR TALKED ABOUT NEEDING TO BE DONE TO STALIN HIGH SCHOOL. UM, I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT YEAR THAT WAS. IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN, WE'RE GONNA LOOK FOR IT. UH, BUT THE BIG THINGS WERE AS ROADS BEING FINISHED UP AND WHICH YOU SEE IT, AND IN THE 22, UH, THE BOARD ESTABLISHED THREE FUNDS. ONE WAS A MILLION FOR BUSES AND ONE WAS A MILLION FOR SOMETHING ELSE. AND I HAVE TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT ZACH TO GO BACK TO LOOK TO SEE WHAT IT, SO THERE, THERE WAS A BUNCH OF, WE DID CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT AND UM, UH, UH, BOOKS AND BOOKS OKAY. [01:15:01] BOOKS IN THERE. SO THAT WAS THE 300,000 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FROM THE FY 20, THERE WAS SURPLUS IS WHAT WAS CALLED REFERENCED AS, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ANY OF THE SCHOOL'S REVENUES OVER EXPENDITURES. AND THEY GET THAT NUMBER FROM THE AQUIFER, FROM THE AUDIT. AND SO A PORTION OF THE $20 MILLION IS INCLUDED IN THE 343 6 NUMBER, THE 308, AND THEN THE 1.3 MILLION. SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO REALLY CAPTURE IT ALL. BUT, BUT THE YEAR THAT IT WAS PURCHASED IN, OR THE YEAR THAT IT WAS CARRIED FORWARD TOO, MOSTLY IS 24. IN 20. THEY HAD SOME SURPLUS. I DON'T THE EXACT AMOUNT, A MILLION, UM, THAT'S WHEN THEY WERE FINISHING UP AS ROADS MM-HMM . AND THE REQUEST WAS TO GET TO, UM, HAVE IT ALL TAKEN BACK TO USE TO FINISH UP THE ROOF ON AS ROAD TO PUT THE WINDOWS IN. MM-HMM . UM, WHEN I WENT INTO THAT MEETING, WE WERE ONLY GONNA GIVE THEM A PORTION OF IT BACK, BUT I, I KNOW WE GAVE IT ALL BACK 'CAUSE I MADE THE MOTION TO DO THAT SO THEY COULD FINISH UP THE ROOF AND THE, UM, THE WINDOWS. OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ENOUGH MONEY TO DO THOSE TWO. MADE NO SENSE NOT TO PUT A NEW ROOF ON WHEN YOU JUST RENOVATED THE INSIDE OF THE, OF THE SCHOOL. SO I KNOW THAT WENT BACK INTO AS WARREN COUNTY INTERNATIONAL, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CALLED THAT ON, UH, ON THE HALLMARK CHANNEL. WELL, YES. SO FOR THE AIRPORT. SO WE STILL, UM, ALLOCATING THE 20 K FROM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES FOR THE AIRCRAFT OUT THERE AS PART OF THEIR REVENUE. YES MA'AM. IT'S THE FIRST LINE. AND THAT'S WHAT, SO 23 K? YES. ALRIGHT. AND THEN THE REVENUE FROM SALES, UH, FUEL SALES IS 190 K. YES. SO WHAT, WHAT IS THE PROPOSED, UM, COST FOR BUYING THE FUEL FOR THIS THIS YEAR? GENERAL, HEY, VICKI, GEN GENERALLY YOU CAN, UM, UH, RULE OF THUMB IS THAT THEY'RE MAKING A BAD A DOLLAR A GALLON. OKAY. WELL, THEY, I'M SURE THEY WOULD HAVE THIS HERE A LINE ITEM UNDERSTANDING IT'S AN ESTIMATE. SO FUEL CELLS WOULD BE, IS THAT THE 1 65? I MIKE BELIEVE SO 1 65, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? MM-HMM. YEAH. SO THE UH, AND, AND FUEL IS RUNNING RIGHT AT ABOUT 4 85 OR $5 A GALLON. SO YOU CAN, UH, YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT AND FIGURE THAT, UH, THAT PROBABLY, UH, UH, LET ME THINK. UH, IT, WHAT, WHAT IS IT COSTING ABOUT? UH, 3, 3 75 GALLONS? IT WAS, IT'S LITTLE OVER FOUR AND HALF. A LITTLE OVER FOUR. A LITTLE OVER OR A LITTLE UNDER OVER FOUR. LITTLE OVER FOUR. WE WERE RUNNING ABOUT 3 75. OKAY. SO THAT $4 IS USUALLY, SO, UM, HOPING TO BUILD SOME OF THIS MONEY UP TO PUT IT TOWARDS NEW HANGERS. WELL, I THOUGHT WE ALREADY HAD THE MONEY FOR THE NEW HANGERS. WE DON'T HAVE IT ALL CASH YET. NO, WE, WE CAN PAY FOR, WE HAVE A PLAN, UM, THE HANGAR, THE EXISTING HANGERS ARE PAID FOR MM-HMM . SO THE NEW HANGERS WILL COST AN ESTIMATED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY BIDS OR ANYTHING ELSE YET. UH, AN ESTIMATED 3 MILLION. AND SINCE THE EXISTING HANGERS WERE PAID FOR, WE CAN USE THE RENT FROM THE EXISTING HANGERS AND APPLY IT WITH THE RENT FROM THE NEW HANGERS. MM-HMM . TO PAY THE LOCAL SHEAR OF THE NEW HANGERS. MM-HMM . AND THEN WE'RE WORKING ON SOME STATE MONEY FOR, UH, THE GROUNDWORK, THE SITE WORK, AND THEN FEDERAL MONEY FOR THE HANGERS THEMSELVES. MM-HMM . SO, UM, THIS IS AN ENTERPRISE FUND. YES. SO IDENTIFIES AN ENTERPRISE FUND IS THE, UH, THAT THE FACILITY BASED [01:20:01] ON THE REVENUE THEY RECEIVE WITH PROVIDED SERVICES. AND IN THIS CASE IT'S THE HANGERS AND IT'S THE TIE DOWNS, IT'S THE FUEL AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING. AND, UM, JUST BE, AND I'M, I'M JUST BRINGING THIS UP, THE ATTENTION, I'M NOT SAYING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN, BUT I JUST WANT TO MAKE IT PEOPLE BE AWARE THAT $23,000 OF, UM, TAXES IS BEING USED TO HELP FACILITATE THIS ENTERPRISE ACCOUNT. NOW I DO RECALL, 'CAUSE I WAS AROUND WHEN THEY FIRST DID THIS ENTERPRISE AND WE WERE NOT, WE WERE NOT SELLING FUEL AT THAT TIME. CORRECT. SO IT MADE SENSE BECAUSE WE KNEW WHAT OUR OPERATIONS COSTS WAS TO CONTRIBUTE, LET THEM KEEP THE 20 K 20 K ON AIRCRAFT, WHICH IS PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. YES. BUT NOW THAT THEY'RE SELLING FUEL, IT'S, IT'S NOW THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S LIKE A WASH. AND SO $23,000 IN PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. AND IT MAY BE SMALL PER SE, IN, IN THE BIG SCHEME OF THINGS, 23 K GOING BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND WITHOUT INTERFERING WITH THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET AS IT STANDS. UM, COULD HELP, YOU KNOW, PAY FOR A TEACHER'S ASSISTANT OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW. BUT I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED TO DO IT. I'M, I'M JUST THROWING THIS OUT AS A OBSERVATION GOING FORWARD, BUT THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY. YOU FLIP BACK ONE. OKAY. SO MIKE, DO YOU HAVE A, UH, DO YOU HAVE A TOTAL ON, ON WHAT THEY ARE COLLECTING TOTAL FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX OUT AT THE AIRPORT? FOUR. THAT'S, THAT'S HER ESTIMATED, UM, THAT'S THE APPROXIMATELY 23,000. THIS NEXT YEAR IT'S BEEN 20. NO, NO, WHAT I'M SAYING IS BECAUSE IT, IT'S, IT'S HIGHER. I THINK THERE'S, WHAT IS IT, 43 AIRCRAFT OUT THERE AND EACH ONE PAYS AN ESTIMATE OF, OF I THINK ABOUT 750 TO A THOUSAND DOLLARS PER YEAR. SO THAT'D BE AROUND. UH, SO, SO IF MY FIGURE ARE CORRECT, IT'S BETWEEN 40 AND $50,000 THAT THEY'RE TOTAL, THAT THEY'RE COLLECTING TOTAL. WELL, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER AGAIN. IT'S ONLY THIS NUMBER CAME FROM THE COMMISSIONER RIGHT NOW. THEY'VE TOTALED 12,713 FOR FY 25 ACTUAL, SO, BUT I, BUT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT THE, UH, THAT THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX THAT WE COLLECTED A LOT MORE. BUT THEY, THEY JUST HELD THAT MUCH BACK. NO, NO. REALLY? NO. THE, UH, THEIR PROPERTY, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX IS LIKE, I WANNA SAY 10 CENTS OR SOMETHING. I DON'T RECALL. NO, THEY PERSONAL. IT'S VERY LOW. WELL, IT, IT IS 75 CENTS PER A HUNDRED DOLLARS VALUATION. MM-HMM . AND SOME OF THESE AIRCRAFT OUT THERE ARE VALUED AT, AT $250,000. THE, UM, THE MUST BE, WE CAN GO BACK TO THE COMMISSIONER, MR. BUTLER, BUT THAT NUMBER COMES FROM THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE. OKAY. THIS IS ALL OF THOSE, ALL OF THE PERSONAL PROPERTY HOUSED AT THE AIRPORT. OKAY. WELL THAT JUST SHOWS WELL THAT IT LOOKS LIKE AN UNDER, IS THAT, HOW LAG IS IT ON THE 25 ACTUAL? IT'S JUST THE FIRST HALF. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S HALF. YEAH. IT'S ONCE THE SECOND HALF COMES IN, THEN I'LL APPLY IT TO YOU AS WELL. IS IT PAID TWICE A YEAR? MM-HMM . OH YEAH. YEAH. DOES ANYBODY WANT TO FOCUS ON ANY OF THE SANITARY DISTRICTS? 'CAUSE THERE'S, I'VE LOOKED AT THE FARMS. OKAY, SO , THAT'S THE BIG ONE. YOU'RE GOOD. . OKAY, . SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND GO THROUGH THESE. THESE ARE A COLLECTION OF ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES AND EVERY SINGLE ONE HAS BEEN DISPLAYED IN ITS CATEGORY TYPE OF SERVICE THAT IT PROVIDES TO CITIZENS. THIS IS THE FIRST PAGE, [01:25:02] AND THIS IS THE SECOND PAGE. ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN CROSSED OUT IS, UM, IS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T COME AND PRESENT, OR WE DIDN'T FUND THEM LAST YEAR, UH, THIS CURRENT FISCAL YEAR, IT WAS LEVEL FUNDED FOR 26 OR IT WAS MOVED TO A DIFFERENT FUND. SO LIKE THE SMALL BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT CENTER, THE EDA CONTRIBUTES TO THAT AND WE CONTRIBUTE TO THE EDA. SO THAT $2,500 DOESN'T NEED TO COME OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND. ANY QUESTIONS ON PARTNER AGENCIES? NOW? NOW SOME OF THESE, SOME OF THE PARTNER AGENCIES, LIKE THE, UH, WHAT, WHAT, CAN YOU GO BACK ONE? UH, WHERE IS IT? UH, THERE'S, THERE'S ONE OR TWO ON HERE THAT, UH, THAT WE'RE, WE'RE MANDATED, AREN'T WE? THAT'S CORRECT. SO, UM, ON THIS PAGE, THE HUMANE SOCIETY OF WARREN COUNTY, WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM, BUT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S A CONTRACT, THAT'S NOT A MANDATE. I MEAN, RIGHT. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WHERE THE STATE COMES ALONG AND SAYS, AND THIS IS A, THIS IS A MANDATED SERVICE. OKAY. IT'S A MANDATED SERVICE. IF YOU DON'T, IF WE DON'T CONTRACT WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY, WE MUST EITHER A, HAVE OUR OWN SHELTER THAT WE OPERATE OR BE CONTRACT WITH ANOTHER AGENCY. OKAY. SO WE MUST HAVE THE ANIMAL SHELTER SERVICE. OKAY. MM-HMM . UM, THEN HEALTH DEPARTMENT, UM, THE REGIONAL JAIL, THAT'S A SPECIFIC AMOUNT THAT WE HAVE TO MEET HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND, UM, SOME OF THESE OTHERS UP HERE, WE HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, BUT WE GET TO DETERMINE THE AMOUNT THAT WE PARTICIPATE. SO CAN YOU GO TO THE NEXT PAGE? SO THEN THE, UH, THE REGIONAL JAIL, IT'S MANDATED THAT WE PAY THAT BUDGET. YES SIR. OKAY. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO THIS IS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. AND YOU SAW THE 300,000 BEING TRANSFERRED FROM THE GENERAL FUND TO THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET. THE PURCHASES THAT WE'RE PROPOSING FOR FY 26 ARE FIRE STATION ENHANCEMENTS AT 50,000, CANCER PREVENTION MEASURES AT 50,000. AND THE, UH, ROCKLAND PARK ATHLETIC FIELD AT 200,000, THIS IS AN ASSET REPLACEMENT BUDGET, TOTAL TRANSFER TO THE ASSET REPLACEMENT OF 905,000. SO WE'VE GOT 40,000 FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS. VEHICLE ONE 15 FOR THE FINANCE, UM, CONSULTING SERVICES TO BEGIN THE FINANCE SOFTWARE REPLACEMENT. PUBLIC WORKS HAS A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT ITEMS. ONE IS, UM, AN ASPHALT ROLLER FOR 70,000, AND THEN VEHICLE REPLACEMENTS AT 80,000. THOSE TWO NUMBERS WERE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN THE LAST TIME WE PRESENTED TO YOU BECAUSE WE WERE, UH, MADE AWARE THAT THE ASPHALT ROLLER WAS GONNA BE $70,000 RATHER THAN I THINK $20,000 WE HAD PUT IN. AND MIKE SAID 70 AND I THOUGHT HE SAID 20 , UH, WE REMOVED THE FIRE AND RESCUE BATTALION VEHICLE AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS ABLE TO MAKE UP THE DIFFERENCE. SO THE TOTAL NUMBER HASN'T CHANGED. IT JUST GOT SHIFTED AROUND A LITTLE BIT. AND THE VEHICLE, JERRY'S GONNA COME THIS YEAR, OR IT'S GONNA COME THIS YEAR OR NEXT YEAR AT A COST RECOVERY. WE'LL PROBABLY GET TO IT NEXT YEAR. ADVOCATE UTILIZING THE COST RECOVERY FUND BALANCE. SO YOU WILL ENCUMBER THIS YEAR. OKAY. SO THE LAST COLUMN FOR, UH, PROPOSED? YES. SO THAT 900, UH, 905,000, THAT'S WITHIN THAT, THE, THE, THE BOX? YES. YES MA'AM. THAT'S IN. OKAY, SO THAT'S, IT'S IN YOUR TOTAL. IT'S IN MY TOTAL. OKAY. VERY GOOD. OKAY. SO THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT ARE NOT IN YOUR TOTAL. WE WERE JUST MADE AWARE ONE, MAYBE TWO WEEKS AGO THAT THE NUMBER THAT WE HAD BUDGETED FOR THE JAIL WAS GOING TO INCREASE BY $250,000. AND WE ALSO KNOW THAT WE NEED TO RESURFACE THE POOL FOR 103. WE JUST RECEIVED A QUOTE BACK FROM OUR MAINTENANCE COMPANY, UM, EXCITING NEWS BECAUSE IT USED TO BE A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THAT. SO THE SOLUTION THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE TO THE BOARD, UM, WILL BE THAT OUT OF ALL OF THE 25 DEBT SERVICE, [01:30:01] WE HAVE PAID ALL OF OUR BILLS AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF BUDGET LEFT OVER FROM THAT. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE THAT WE ASSIGN A PURCHASE ORDER TO ENCUMBER FUNDS FROM 25 TO 26 TO MAKE UP WHAT WE KNOW IS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE IN 26, THE 250 FOR THE JAIL INCREASE, AND THEN THE 103 FOR THE POOL OF RESURFACING. SO I WILL, UH, PRESENT THAT TO YOU AT A REGULAR MEETING AMONGST YOUR ABSENT TRANSFERS VERY SOON. BEFORE JUNE 30TH? YES. AND WHAT WAS THE COURSE OF THE, OF THE AVAILABLE FUNDS? WE'VE PAID ALL OF OUR DEBT SERVICE, ALL OF OUR PRINCIPAL, ALL OF OUR INTEREST. WE HAD JUST BUDGETED MORE THAN WE NEEDED TO. YES. BY $350,000? YES. SO ARE YOU REFERRING TO THE $11 MILLION DEBT SERVICE? YES. OKAY. SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT LAST YEAR'S DEBT WAS 11 ON THE SMITH MM-HMM . BUT LAST YEAR'S DEBT WAS 11 MILLION, 500,000. AND WE PAID DOWN THAT DEBT. MM-HMM . AND NOW THE, THIS YEAR, YOU KNOW, WE HAD $500,000 LEFT OVER FROM THAT. RIGHT. AND SO THAT IS WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE TO PAY FOR THESE THINGS. RIGHT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I JUST THREW THE NUMBERS. THOSE AREN'T REAL NUMBERS, JUST AN EXAMPLE. BUT, SO WELL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU PAY DOWN DEBT. RIGHT. ? WELL, THE BOARD'S BEEN WORKING AT THAT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS NOW. FOUR YEARS. FOUR YEARS. WE HAVE, AND THAT THIS IS REALLY GOOD NEWS. THE NEXT YEAR WILL BE IN A BETTER POSITION. THAT'S BEEN, SO THIS POOL WE'RE SERVING WAS GONNA BE THAN NOW DOESN'T HAVE TO BE FUNDED. THAT'S CORRECT. I'M PROPOSING THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO A PURCHASE ORDER NOW SO THAT WE CAN GET THE COMPANY TO DO THE WORK ONCE WE CLOSE THE POOL. MM-HMM . AT THE END OF THE SEASON. AT THE END OF THE SEASON, YES. SO WE'RE LOOKING AT SEPTEMBERS, WHEN WILL IT ACTUALLY OCCUR? MM-HMM . COOL PERCENT. WHAT'S A GOOD NEWS STORY? YEAH. WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THAT? 2 52 OF THE WHOLE RSW IS THAT LIKE A, WHAT WAS THAT, FOUR, 5%? FIVE. APPROXIMATELY. YOUR, YOUR COST AT THE JAIL IS 4.6 MILLION. YEAH. OKAY. WAS THAT KIND OF LIKE THE LAST YEAR CSS SUDDENLY JUST POPPING UP IS NO, I, WE HAD NUMBERS AT THE JAIL BOARD MEETING THAT LOOKED LIKE 4.3. AND THEN WHEN WE GOT THE REVISED BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED THIS PAST WEEK, IT WAS 4.5. WE THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO GET MORE STATE FUNDING OUT AT THE JAIL THAN WE DID. THAT CONCLUDES ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGETS. ANY QUESTIONS? SO YOU HAVE THE HOMESTEADERS COMING IN SHORTLY, BUT YOU'VE GOT A FEW MINUTES HERE AND A STRETCH FOR A MINUTE. SAY, NICE JOB. YOU DID A REALLY GOOD JOB. OH, THANK YOU. IT WAS A GREAT TEAM EFFORT. SHE'S WORKED HARD ON IT. THREATENED A LOT OF PEOPLE. LOOKS REALLY, REALLY GOOD. YOU CAN TELL EVERYBODY WORKED REALLY HARD AND WE'RE COMING IN IN THE BOX. WE'RE INSIDE THE BOX. IT IS THE BOX. IT'S IN THERE. SO WE HAVE HALF AN HOUR UNTIL THE HOME SITERS. WELL, THEY MIGHT, YOU HAVE 25 MINUTES, BUT THEY, IF THEY COME 10 MINUTES EARLY, THEN YOU ONLY HAVE 15. THEY'RE PLANNING TO BE AT FOUR TILL. OKAY. WELL THEN YOU GOT 10 MINUTES. YOU GOT 10 MINUTES TO GET UP AND MOVE AROUND. TAKEN CARE OF. YEAH. HOW DO I CHANGE THE SLIDE JUST SO I DON'T MESS IT UP? WHO DO I ASK? OH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I DON'T MISS ANYTHING ELSE. OH, OKAY. OKAY. PERFECT. THANK YOU. STOOL. HELLO. I KNOW, SORRY. , DON'T YOU, UH, [01:35:01] STAND TO THE FRONT IN THE FRONT SO WE CAN SIT HERE. THERE YOU GO. OKAY. PERFECT. HI, I'M AMBER MARTIN. [B. Presentation - Homesteaders Working Group] I'M THE FOUNDER OF, UM, HOMESTEADERS OF WARREN COUNTY. AND THIS IS SARAH. SHE'S THE CO-FOUNDER. UM, WE HAVE A LITTLE PROJECT, UM, THAT WE HAD IN MIND AND WE'RE GOING TO PRESENT TO YOU TODAY. AND SO, UM, WE'VE MADE WITH THE FARM STAND, OOPS, SORRY, I'M NOT GOOD WITH THIS. HERE WE GO. FARM STAND HUB, UH, FORGING CONNECTIONS, GROWING OUR COMMUNITY, WE HAVE A NEED. WARREN COUNTY IS HOME TO A GROWING NUMBER OF SMALL SCALE FAMILY HOMESTEADS AS INTEREST IN SELF-SUFFICIENCY AND HEALTHY LIVING CONTINUES TO RISE. SO DOES THE LOCAL HOMESTEAD. COMMUNITY FARM STANDS AND WAYSIDE. MARKETS ARE INCREASINGLY COMMON THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY, OFFERING FRESH, LOCALLY PRODUCED GOODS. THESE STANDS ARE OFTEN WIDELY DISPERSED, REQUIRING CUSTOMERS TO TRAVEL SIGNIFICANT DISTANCES TO ACCESS WHAT THEY NEED. THIS NOT ONLY PRESENTS AN INCONVENIENCE, BUT IT CAN ALSO RAISE SAFETY AND PRIVACY CONCERNS FOR SELLERS, PARTICULARLY WHEN STANDS ARE LOCATED ON PRIVATE PROPERTY OR NEAR BUSY ROADWAYS WITHOUT PULL OFFS OR, UH, PARKING. OH MY GOSH. UM, SO TAKING THOSE THINGS INTO CONSIDERATION, WE THOUGHT ABOUT A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT IDEAS THAT WOULD REALLY BRING COMMUNITY TOGETHER AND HOW WE COULD KIND OF CONNECT THE DOTS BETWEEN ALL THE FARM STANDS THAT ARE DISPERSED ABOUT OUR COUNTY. UM, SO WHEN WE WERE THINKING ABOUT THIS, WE REALLY NEEDED A SPACE TO JUST GROW AND FLOURISH THIS IDEA. UM, SO THE DEVELOPMENT OF A COUNTY APPROVED SITE WHERE HOMESTEADERS AND SMALL SCALE PRODUCERS CAN RESERVE INDIVIDUAL LAND PLOTS TO PLACE FARM STANDS TO SELL THEIR FARM GOODS. SO THIS IDEA WOULD BE THAT THE PEOPLE COULD HAVE ONE SPOT WHERE THEY COULD INDIVIDUALLY BRING THEIR GOODS AND THEIR FARM PRODUCE, BASICALLY. UM, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE THE CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT COUNTY OWNED STRUCTURES ALLOWING FOR A LOW OVERHEAD AND FLEXIBLE USE OF THE LAND. SO NO MONEY IS NEEDED FROM THE COUNTY WHATSOEVER. 'CAUSE THIS INITIATIVE WOULD BE RUN BY THE, THE HOMESTEADERS. UM, PARTICIPANTS WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR PROVIDING THEIR OWN TEMPORARY STANDS AND COMPLIANCE WITH APPLICABLE LAWS. AND THIS IS REALLY NICE BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE HOMESTEADERS ALREADY KNOW THEM BECAUSE THEY'VE CONSTRUCTED THEM NEAR THEIR PROPERTY. UM, AND THE COUNTY PROVIDES THE FRAMEWORK FOR SCHEDULING. THIS IS VERY SIMILAR TO MAYBE RENTING A PAVILION AT THE PARK. UM, AND THEN THERE WOULD BE ACCESS AND BASIC SITE MAINTENANCE THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY WOULD ALSO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. THE MODEL FOSTERS LOCAL COMMERCE, IT SUPPORTS AGRICULTURAL ENTREPRENEURSHIP AND IT ENHANCES COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. AND THIS IS IN A VERY COST EFFECTI, COST EFFECTIVE AND SCALABLE WAY. UM, OH MY GOSH. GO, GO. SO WITH THIS, WE WOULD WANT TO, UM, LIMIT THE PARTICIPATION TO HOMESTEADS AND FARMS THAT ARE ONLY LOCATED IN WARREN COUNTY. UM, THERE ARE LOTS OF DIFFERENT COUNTIES THAT DO IT AS WELL. SO TRYING TO MAKE IT A PRIORITY TO KEEP IT LOCAL IN, UH, TO BENEFIT JUST OUR COUNTY RESIDENTS. UM, THE PARTICIPANTS WOULD HAVE TO SIGN A LIABILITY WAIVER, RELEASING THE COUNTY FROM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY DAMAGES TO GOODS OR THE STRUCTURE. UM, ENSURE THAT EACH STAND POST APPROPRIATELY LEGAL DISCLAIMERS AND COMPLIES WITH THE VIRGINIA COTTAGE FOOD LAWS. UH, GIVE AND THEN GIVE THE HOMESTEADERS THE FULL CONTROL OVER WHAT THEIR FARM STAND DESIGN, UH, LOOKS LIKE. THE HOURS THAT THEY OPERATE, WHETHER THAT IS THEY WANT TO LEAVE IT THERE OVERNIGHT. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT COULD BE DONE, UM, DROP IT OFF DAILY OR SIT THERE FOR A FEW HOURS, UM, AND THEN LEAVE. SO THAT WOULD BE UP TO THEM. AND THEN THEY, IT WOULD BE ABLE TO ALSO CHOOSE THEIR OWN SECURITY MEASURES IN ACCEPTED PAYMENT METHODS. SO THIS WOULD HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT COMMUNITY BENEFITS. UM, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF HOMESTEADS THAT ARE START SORT OF POPPING UP AROUND OUR COUNTY. UM, SO THIS WOULD REALLY STIMULATE AGRICULTURAL TOURISM AND LOCAL REVENUE. AND I KNOW THIS IS A BIG TOPIC OF CONVERSATION THESE DAYS. UM, SO THIS WOULD ATTRACT CONSUMERS INTERESTED IN FRESH AND LOCALLY SOURCED PRODUCTS. THIS HUB WOULD ALSO DRIVE TRAFFIC TO THE AREA SUPPORTING BOTH AGRICULTURAL AND SURROUNDING BUSINESSES. THERE WOULD ALSO BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR LOTS OF DIFFERENT EDUCATIONAL AVENUES. UM, THIS IS A SPACE THAT COULD SERVE AS A VALUABLE RESOURCE FOR LOCAL [01:40:01] SCHOOLS AGRICULTURAL PROGRAMS. THE FFA CHAPTER, UM, DIFFERENT FOUR H PROGRAMS PROVIDING STUDENTS WITH A PLACE FOR SALES, MARKETING AND ENTREPRENEURSHIP, WHICH I THINK IS HUGE. AS THE FFA PROGRAMS ARE GROWING, THE STUDENTS WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE A PLACE WHERE THEY COULD GO EVEN DURING THE SCHOOL DAY ON FIELD TRIPS OR ON THE WEEKENDS TO REALLY GROW WITH THEIR OWN, YOU KNOW, SORT OF YOUNG ENTREPRENEURSHIP. UM, AND IT WOULD ALSO SUPPORT EMERGING HOMESTEADS. UM, THIS WOULD BE A SITE THAT OFFERS AN ACCESSIBLE AND AFFORDABLE VENUE FOR NEW AND SMALL SCALE PRODUCERS TO ESTABLISH AND GROW THEIR BUSINESSES, HELPING THEM REACH CUSTOMERS WITHOUT THE OVERHEAD OF PERMANENT REAL INFRASTRUCTURE. SO A, UM, THE PROPOSED LOCATION WOULD BE THE MCKAY SPRING PROPERTY. IT PRESENTS AN IDEAL LOCATION FOR ESTABLISHING A CENTRALIZED FARM STAND TOP. UM, IT'S STRATEGICALLY SITUATED AT THE NURSE SECTION OF ROUTE 5 22 IN RELIANCE ROAD. THIS SITE BENEFITS WITH HIGH VISIBILITY AND CONVENIENT ACCESS, THINGS IN PART TO THE EXISTING TRAFFIC LIGHT IN INTERSECTION. THE PROPERTY FEATURES A PRE-ESTABLISHED MODEL DRIVEWAY AND IS SURROUNDED BY FLAT GRASSY FIELDS, MAKING IT WELL SUITED FOR ACCOMMODATING MULTIPLE FARM STANDS WITH MINIMAL SITE PREPARATION. SO THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE MAYBE COMMUTING FROM FRONT RAIL TO WINCHESTER WINCHESTER BACK, UM, PEOPLE GETTING OFF SIX, UH, 66. IT COULD BE AN EASY STOP FOR PEOPLE. I KNOW MYSELF A COUPLE WEEKENDS AGO, I SPENT TWO AND A HALF HOURS TRYING TO GET BETWEEN THREE FARM STANDS JUST TO PICK UP THREE DIFFERENT PRODUCTS. SO HAVING A PLACE LIKE THAT WHERE YOU CAN GO AND GET MULTIPLE THINGS ALL AT ONCE, UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT PEOPLE JUST PASSING BY HERE FOR DIFFERENT EVENTS, WHATEVER IT IS, COULD STOP BY, UM, IF PEOPLE FROM OTHER COUNTIES. SO, SO THIS IS JUST A LITTLE QUOTE IS THE WAY TO GET STARTED IS TO QUIT TALKING AND BEGIN DOING. SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AMBER AND I ARE ACTIVELY WORKING ON, IS REALLY JUST SUPPORTING THE LOCAL FARMSTEADS AND HOMESTEADS OF OUR COMMUNITY. UM, 'CAUSE AS THEY'RE POPPING UP, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING FOR PLACES TO TURN AND WHO TO TALK TO AND, YOU KNOW, THEY WANT QUESTIONS ANSWERED. SO, UM, WE WANNA PROVIDE THAT SUPPORT FOR THEM AS THEY'RE STARTING TO GROW THEIR SMALL BUSINESSES. OKAY. SO THEN THE PROPOSAL FOR USE OF MCKAY SPRING PROPERTY FOR, UH, FARM STAND HUB. THE REQUEST IS RESPECTFULLY SUBMITTED TO THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO CONSIDER ALLOWING THE USE OF THE VACANT MCKAY SPRING LAND FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A FARM STAND HUB TO SERVE LOCAL HOMESTEADERS AND SMALL SCALE AGRICULTURAL PRODUCERS. THE INITIATIVE WOULD, LIKE WE SAID BEFORE, REQUIRE NO FINANCIAL INVESTMENT FROM THE COUNTY. THE PROPOSED USE OFFERS MULTIPLE COMMUNITY BENEFITS, INCLUDING THE SMALL BUSINESS INCUBATION. UH, THE SPACE WILL SERVE AS A LAUNCHPAD FOR THE EMERGING AGRICULTURAL ENTREPRENEURS PROVIDING THE ACCESSIBLE LOCATION TO MARKET THEIR GOODS AND GROW THEIR OPERATIONS. UM, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, THE DRAWING OF THE AGRICULTURAL CONSUMERS TO THE AREA THE HUB WOULD STIMULATE LOCAL COMMERCE IN SUPPORT BROADER ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, UH, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. THE PROJECT WILL PROVIDE A WELCOMING AND PRACTICAL ENVIRONMENT FOR WARREN COUNTY'S MANY TAX PAYING RESIDENTS ENGAGED IN FARMING AND HOMESTEADING. IMPORTANTLY, THIS PROPOSED USE ALIGNS WITH THE GOALS OUTLINED IN THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. IT SUPPORTS THE COUNTY'S VISION FOR ENCOURAGING AGRICULTURAL GROWTH. THE PROPERTY'S CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION IS COMPATIBLE WITH THIS, THIS INITIATIVE AND WHEN ABLE THE PRODUCTIVE USE OF OTHERWISE UNDERUTILIZED LAND IN A MANNER CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S DEVELOPMENT OBJECTIVES. THANK YOU. SO, SO I I HAVE A QUESTION THAT THE, SO, UH, YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE, UH, UH, THAT THE HOMESTEADERS THAT THE, THAT THAT Y'ALL WOULD HAVE A, A SAY LIKE, UM, UH, UH, A, AN AREA OR A PLOT MM-HMM . OVER, OVER IN MCKAY SPRINGS AND THAT, UH, YOU HAD CONTACT THE COUNTY, YOU'D MAKE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, ARRANGEMENTS FOR THAT, YOU'D SIGN A WAIVER. BUT LET'S SAY THAT WE, WE GO FOR SIX MONTHS AND, AND YOU SAY THAT THERE'S, THAT YOU'RE NOT, UH, THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SET HOURS THAT YOU'D WANT TO BE THERE. SO WHAT KEEPS, YOU KNOW, JOE SCHMO FROM JUST SHOWING UP AND THROWING SOMETHING UP OVER THERE? I THINK, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THESE LOCAL HOMESTEADS THAT HAVE POPPED UP AROUND THE COUNTY MM-HMM . HAVE REALLY SORT OF GROWN SOME OF THEIR CLIENTELE AND THEY'VE INITIATED [01:45:01] SOME RELATIONSHIPS WITH PEOPLE WHO KNOW THEIR PRODUCTS. OKAY. AND THEY KNOW THEIR HOURS. YEAH. AND SO WE WANNA LEAVE IT FLEXIBLE FOR THE DIFFERENT HOMESTEADS OKAY. TO BE ABLE KIND OF GOVERN THEIR OWN HOME, THEIR OWN FARM STAND, ESSENTIALLY, OF WHAT THEY CAN PRODUCE AT THAT TIME. OKAY. SO I THINK THERE WOULD PROBABLY MAYBE BE OVERALL SET HOURS LIKE THE PARKS. YEAH. UM, SO PEOPLE CAN'T JUST COME AND GO WHENEVER A DAWN TO DUSK KIND OF THING MAYBE. OKAY. UM, BUT WHAT IS ACTUALLY AVAILABLE AT THAT CERTAIN FARM STAND WOULD BE UP TO THAT PERSON, YOU KNOW, DEPENDING ON THEY HAVE A CROP THAT DAY OR I SEE THEY THAT DAY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND WERE YOU ASKING, YOU WERE ALSO ASKING ABOUT LIKE, THE SECURITY OF SOMEBODY JUST COMING AND TAKING IT, RIGHT? NO, NOT, NOT SOMEBODY COMING AND TAKING IT. IT, UH, BUT SOMEBODY JUST SHOWING UP THROUGH, UH, PUTTING A TABLE OUT, START SELLING VEGETABLES AND OR SOMEBODY THAT DIDN'T RESERVE A PLOT. YEAH. THAT THEY DIDN'T RESERVE ANY, ANYTHING. I'M NOT SO MUCH CONCERNED ABOUT THE, UH, UH, ABOUT THE, THE COUNTY NOT GETTING REVENUE FROM IT. I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE LIABILITY BECAUSE SOMEBODY COMES OVER AND THEY, THEY, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING HAPPENS THERE AND THEN THEY TURN AROUND AND THEY'RE GONNA SUE THE COUNTY AND THE COUNTY'S GOING, WELL, WE DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE PEOPLE. MM-HMM . I MEAN, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE EYES ON THE PLACE. YEAH. SO WHETHER THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UM, VERY MUCH LIKE AT THE PARKS WHERE YOU HAVE SOMEBODY KIND OF DRIVE THROUGH, UM, WE KNOW A LOT OF THE MOST SETTERS, SO WE KIND OF KNOW WHO'S INTERESTED IN THIS AND WE WILL BE THERE. AND IF WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOMEBODY IS THERE THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE, WE WOULD HOPE THAT WE COULD JUST ENCOURAGE THEM TO FOLLOW THE APPROPRIATE STEPS AND SIGN THE WAIVER. WELL, I'M DEFINITELY NOT AGAINST THIS. MY, MY, MY FATHER-IN-LAW, UH, HAD A, UH, HE, HE HAD AN AGRITOURISM BUSINESS, UH, FOR A WHILE. AND, UH, YOU KNOW, HE HAD A PUMPKIN FARM AND THE, UH, AND SO I'M, I'M ALL FOR THIS. MY, MY WIFE IS A BIG GARDENER. OH, MATTER OF FACT, SHE'S A MASTER GARDENER IN THE COUNTY. SO, UH, SO I'M ALL FOR IT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT, THAT EVERYONE CONCERNED IS, IS PROPERLY PROTECTED. DID YOU ALL START DOING HOME SETTING IN FREDERICK COUNTY? DID I, RIGHT. LIKE IS THERE A GROUP, FEDERAL COUNTY YOU WERE PART OF AND THEN YOU FOUND OUT A, A, A GROUP HERE FOR WARREN COUNTY? SO, UM, I HAD INITIALLY LIKE, UH, WENT TO AN EVENT FOR THE ONES IN FREDERICK COUNTY. OKAY. AND HAD, UH, I, I HAVE A FRIEND THAT SHE RUNS THAT ONE AND I'VE DECIDED TO START ONE HERE BECAUSE I FEEL WELL. AND FOR YEARS I FELT LIKE WARREN COUNTY COULD REALLY USE THAT. AND IT'S GROWING SO QUICKLY HERE, UM, THAT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE IT A HOME THAT'S SEPARATE. AND EVERY COUNTY'S DIFFERENT. WHAT'S IN FREDERICK COUNTY ISN'T IN WARREN COUNTY, WHAT'S IN WARREN COUNTY ISN'T IN PAGE COUNTY. SO LIKE EVERY SINGLE COUNTY HAS THEIR OWN NEEDS MM-HMM . AND THEIR OWN UNIQUE WAYS. SO THAT WAS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING IT. AND WHEN WE WERE IN A CONVERSATION, UM, PRIOR TO THIS, YOU MENTIONED THAT, UH, THERE IT'S DIFFICULT FOR, FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE A PLACE TO ACTUALLY MEET AND DO EVENTS OR EDUCATIONAL THINGS. CAN YOU KIND OF DESCRIBE HOW THAT THIS MIGHT HELP YOU WITH THAT? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, THIS COULD HELP IN THE SENSE OF GIVING, LIKE YOU SAID, THAT MEETING LOCATION, A LOT OF PLACES THEY WANT TO CHARGE YOU SOMETHING AND THEY MAY WANT TO CHARGE YOU TWO, THREE, $400. AND WHEN IT'S 10 PEOPLE AND YOU'RE DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF SOMETHING, YOU MAY NOT HAVE THAT TO JUST FORK OUT TO GET PEOPLE TOGETHER TO MEET. SO JUST HAVING A CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAT WOULD BE ATTAINABLE AND MORE AFFORDABLE, UM, WOULD BE VERY BENEFICIAL. HMM. AND I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LEARN LIKE FROM THE MASTER GARDENERS. YEAH. UM, 'CAUSE I'M NOT ONE, AND I FEEL LIKE IF WE HAD A PLACE WHERE WE COULD COME TOGETHER AND PEOPLE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PASS DOWN THEIR SKILLS, IT WOULD REALLY UPHOLD A LOT OF TRADITIONS AND TRADITIONS THAT ARE ROOTED IN THIS COUNTY. ESPECIALLY, YOU KNOW, WHAT GROWS WELL HERE SO PEOPLE CAN BE SUCCESSFUL WITH THEIR FARMING, I THINK IS SUPER RELEVANT. UM, SO WOULD BE A WONDERFUL OPPORTUNITY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES AND JUST TO HAVE THIS SPACE WHERE PEOPLE COULD COME TOGETHER FOR THE LOVE OF FARMING AND GARDENING AND AGRICULTURAL REASONS. SO THIS, UM, INITIATIVE, DOES THIS REQUIRE A FORMAL APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO GO FORWARD? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE COORDINATED WITH WITHIN, YOU KNOW, A DEPARTMENT THAT WE HAVE OR WHAT WELL, WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEPS? THE, ARE YOU INCORPORATED? NO, UH, SOME, THE, THE COUNTY WOULD, WOULD ALLOW SOMEONE EVER WAS GOING TO BE THE OPPORTUNITY TO USE THE PROPERTY. I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY WHO SAYS, I'D LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY AND WHAT THEY SUGGESTED THERE AS [01:50:01] THE RULES, FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, AS THE GUIDELINES AS TO WHAT THEY DO. AND THAT PERSON THEN WOULD GO AND WORK WITH PARKS AND REC ON HOW TO SET THIS. AND PEOPLE WHO WANTED TO USE IT THEN WOULD THEN COME THROUGH THAT PERSON TO, TO DO SO. MM-HMM . BUT THE COUNT, THE COUNTY'S GOTTA HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE GIVE PERMISSION TO TO USE THE FACILITY. OKAY. THE PROPERTY RATHER THAN THE FACILITY. BUT, SO THE ANSWER IS WE DON'T, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOESN'T HAVE TO MAKE A FORMAL ACCEPTANCE TO THIS. WELL, YOU WOULD BE APPROVING THE USE OF THE COUNTY PROPERTY. OKAY. ALRIGHT. OKAY. MR. KLEIN WANTS TO ASK YOU SOMETHING, SIR. YES, SIR. UM, IS THAT UNDER, AND I'M TRYING TO GET YOU FOR THIS AND I, I, I, I FULLY SUPPORT YOU. I LOVE THE IDEA. I THINK IT'S GREAT. UM, AND I'D BE WILLING TO HELP YOU. BUT, UM, IS THAT AGRICULTURE ZONED OR INDUSTRIAL? THE ONLY REASON I'M ASKING IS IF IT FALLS UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE. IT'S HISTORIC. THERE, THERE'S GONNA BE, THERE'S GONNA BE SOME CRITERIA THAT EVERYBODY ELSE IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE HAD TO FOLLOW, WHICH IS PARKING HARD SURFACE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. AND I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PARKING IS AT THE MOMENT. AND IS THERE HARD SURFACE ALREADY THERE? ONCE WE HAVE THE PROPOSAL AND KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO AND HOW IT'S GOING TO PROCEED, THEN WE CAN WORK THROUGH IT. IT IS COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. RIGHT. OKAY. SO IT WOULD'VE TO FALL ON CURRENT PLANNING, IT CAN BE ADDRESSED AS COUNTER PROPERTY. IT WOULD'VE TO FALL UNDER THE CURRENT PLANNING AND SEND ORDINANCES? I'M SURE IT WOULD, BUT, BUT WE, WE COULD MAKE, UH, ALLOWANCES FOR THAT, COULDN'T WE? UM, I THINK WE CAN ADDRESS IT. WE WANT TO, WE WANT TO TREAT IT THE SAME AS WE WOULD. YEAH. LIKE PROPERTIES AND LIKE FACILITIES. BUT THIS IS A COUNTY PROPERTY AND IF IT'S USED IN A, UH, NON UH, NON-COMMERCIAL TYPE ACTIVITY, THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, MERCHANTS, I'M GONNA CALL 'EM FOR A SECOND. THERE WOULD BE, UH, WOULD QUALIFY THERE. BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT WE HAVE AN AGREEMENT WITH. WELL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A VERY GOOD QUESTION. VERY GOOD. I'M NOT TRYING TO START, I JUST, I JUST KNOW DOWN THE ROAD EVERYBODY'S HAD TO INVEST MULTIPLE THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO DO THIS ON INDUSTRIAL PROPERTY. I JUST KNOW WHAT'S GONNA COME NEXT, BUT WE JUST DON'T, WE'RE TRYING TO ALLEVIATE THAT. AGAIN, I'M WILLING TO HELP WHATEVER I COULD DO TO HELP YOU GET THAT. GOOD QUESTION. APPRECIATE THAT. YEAH. SO DID WE GET THAT OUTTA THE WAY NOW? BUT I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO ALSO NOTE THAT IT IS A HISTORICAL SITE AND SO, YOU KNOW, REALLY HAVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESERVE THAT RIGHT FROM THE BEGINNING AND FOLLOW THE APPROPRIATE STEPS YES. IS GONNA BE EXTREMELY VALUABLE. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY, ANY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FULL IN SUPPORT? SO WE USED TO RAISE CHICKENS, HAD A HUNDRED CHICKENS FOR GRAND EGGS. SO THIS IS RIGHT. YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT AS WELL. THANK YOU. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, WE END UP DRIVING ALL THE WAY UP TO, UH, WHAT IS IT, WINCHESTER, MY WIFE HAS A COUPLE PLACES. SHE GOES UP THERE. SHE LOVES FRESH, FRESH VEGETABLES. SHE DOES NOT LIKE TO BUY THEM FROM THE, FROM THE STORE. SHE LIKES TO BUY 'EM FROM THE LOCAL FARMS AROUND HERE. SO YEAH, I'M, I'M DEFINITELY FOR THIS. THANK YOU. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IF THERE'S NOTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA, UM, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY, ANY QUESTIONS, ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SECOND. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. ADJOURN. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.