[00:00:02] LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, TODAY IS TUESDAY, JULY THE 1ST AND WE WILL BEGIN OF OUR MEETING. [B. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America] PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG AND. TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. AND I UNDERSTAND THIS EVENING WE HAVE PASTOR JAMES BOYETTE. IF PASTOR BOYD IS NOT HERE, PLEASE TAKE A MOMENT OF SILENCE. OKAY. THANK YOU, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. SO, DO I HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS [C. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions] TO THE AGENDA? APPARENTLY, NOPE. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS IS SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. COOK. HI. DOCTOR. JAMIESON. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT, MR. MEYER. HI, MRS. COLORS. HI. OKAY, NEXT, WE HAVE REACHING OUT NOW. [D. Reaching Out Now Update] UPDATE. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. SO WHAT YOU'RE GETTING IS A BASICALLY A WRITTEN UPDATE OF WHAT I WILL BE TALKING ABOUT THIS EVENING. DOCTOR DAILY. JASON, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THANK YOU GUYS SO MUCH FOR GIVING US THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE HERE THIS EVENING TO GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE STUDENT UNION. IT TRULY IS A PLEASURE FOR ME TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. ZACK, BEFORE YOU START TIMING ME I TRULY WANT TO SAY HOW GRATEFUL I AM BEFORE WE DIVE INTO TO THIS. IT HAS TRULY BEEN A YEAR OF SURVIVAL. BACK IN JANUARY, I. WHEN WE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE KEYS BACK IN JANUARY OF 2024, AND WE STARTED ON RENOVATIONS AND WE OPENED NOVEMBER 1ST OF 2024. AND IN JANUARY I BECAME SICK. AND TWO MONTHS LATER I HAD SURGERY AND WAS DOWN FOR ALMOST TWO MONTHS. AND SO THE THE FACT THAT I AM STANDING HERE BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING IS TRULY A TESTAMENT OF GOD'S GRACE AND TRULY OUR COMMUNITY COMING ALONGSIDE US TO TRULY MAKE ALL OF WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SHARE WITH YOU POSSIBLE. SO THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. AT THE BEGINNING OF YOUR BOOKLET IS TRULY JUST GRATITUDE. WE TRULY WANT TO EXTEND SINCEREST GRATITUDE TO YOU ALL FOR YOUR CONTINUED PARTNERSHIP, BELIEVING IN THE VISION THAT WE HAVE FOR THE RAYMOND E SAINT MEYER STUDENT UNION ACTIVITY CENTER. WHEN WE FIRST TALKED ABOUT THIS INITIATIVE, WE DREAMED OF A SPACE WHERE STUDENTS COULD FIND CONNECTION, PURPOSE, LEADERSHIP OPPORTUNITIES IN A SAFE, WELCOMING ENVIRONMENT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT IN PROVIDING ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING. OVER THE PAST YEAR, THE STUDENT UNION HAS BECOME A VIBRANT HUB FOR YOUTH AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. [00:05:04] WE'VE WELCOMED HUNDREDS OF HUNDREDS OF STUDENTS AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THROUGH OUR DOORS, HOSTED LEADERSHIP EVENTS AND LIFE SKILLS PROGRAMING, PARTNERED WITH LOCAL ORGANIZATIONS, AND HAVE MADE PLANS AND MADE PLANS TO MEANINGFUL RENOVATIONS THAT REFLECT THE ENERGY AND DIGNITY OF OUR YOUNG PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY. THIS REPORT PROVIDES AN OVERVIEW OF THE IMPROVEMENTS MADE TO THE SPACE GRANTS PARTNERSHIP. SECURE. THAT'S WHERE SECURED STAFF THAT WE HIRED TO SUPPORT THE STUDENT UNION'S MISSION. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE IMPACT WE'RE SEEING IN THE LIVES OF OUR STUDENTS. SO WE'RE VERY PROUD TO SHARE THIS UPDATE WITH YOU THIS EVENING. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEAK WORD FOR WORD. SO WHEN YOU DO HAVE TIME AND SPACE, DEFINITELY DIVE DEEP INTO IT. AND AS YOU ALL KNOW, WE'VE WE'VE TALKED ABOUT MANY TIMES THIS ORGANIZATION IS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. SO IN THIS BOOKLET IS EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE DONE BECAUSE WE KNOW FROM THE VERY BEGINNING YOU ALL SAID THAT YOU BELIEVED IN US AND WE WANTED TO KEEP THAT, KEEP THAT AT THE FOREFRONT OF OUR MINDS. SO THANK YOU AGAIN. SINCE JANUARY OF 2024, THE STUDENT UNION HAVE HOSTED OVER 300 STUDENTS THROUGH SOCIAL EVENTS, WORKSHOPS, COMMUNITY AND COMMUNITY EVENTS, COMPLETED A SERIES OF CRITICAL RENOVATIONS TO MODERNIZE AND SECURE THE FACILITY, INCLUDING UPDATED INTERIOR SAFETY SYSTEMS, INSTALLING LANDSCAPING AND A NEW COMMUNITY GARDEN AND A KITCHEN THAT IS STILL UNDER RENOVATIONS. WE SECURED AN EXCESS 250 $50,000 IN GRANTS AND DONATIONS. WE HIRED TWO CORE STAFF MEMBERS TO MANAGE DAILY OPERATIONS, YOUTH ENGAGEMENT AND FAMILY COMMUNICATIONS. WE'VE ENGAGED A GROWING NETWORK OF OF OVER 90 PLUS VOLUNTEERS TUTORING TUTORS COMMITTED TO SUPPORT STUDENTS ACADEMIC, PERSONAL AND PERSONAL GROWTH, PARTNERED WITH 11 COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS TO OFFER EVENT FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY AND YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, AND WE ALSO HOSTED A TOTAL OF 27 COMMUNITY EVENTS SUCH AS SOCIAL SERVICE DAYS. SOME OF YOU CAME TO THAT AND FAMILY ENGAGEMENT NIGHTS AS OUTLINED IN THE ORIGINAL PROPOSAL. WOW. BACK IN JUNE OF 2023, WHEN ALL THIS STARTED, OUR MISSION REMAINED CENTERED ON PROVIDING A SAFE AND SUPPORTIVE ENVIRONMENT WHERE STUDENTS CAN DEVELOP NEW SKILLS, BUILD CONFIDENCE, ENGAGE AND ENGAGE WITH CARING ADULTS AND PEERS. THIS REPORT DETAILS HOW WE ARE DELIVERING ON THAT MISSION AND HOW IT CONTINUED SUPPORT. WE WILL CONTINUE TO GROW THIS WORK IN YEARS TO COME. NOW ON THE NEXT PAGE I AM AT THE RENOVATION AND FACILITY IMPROVEMENT AND SINCE WE ACQUIRED THE BUILDING, DOCTOR DALEY AND YOU ALL GAVE US THE KEYS BACK ON JANUARY 2ND, 2024. WE HAVE PRIORITIZED RESTORING AND UPGRADING THE FACILITY TO ENSURE IT REFLECTS THE DIGNITY, CREATIVITY AND ENERGY OF ALL OF OUR STUDENTS. ALL THE WORK HAS BEEN FUNDED THROUGH GRANTS, DONATION AND IN-KIND CONTRIBUTION WITH AN EMPHASIS ON SAFETY, FUNCTIONALITY AND LONG TERM USE. I NEED TO BOAST A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE EVERY ALL OF THESE RENOVATIONS THAT WAS COMPLETED WAS DONE BY A LOCAL, LOCAL COMMUNITY. SO WE DIDN'T GO OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. WE SOUGHT TO USE EVERY CONTRACTOR THAT HAD EVEN MEMORIES OF USING THAT SPACE. SO AS YOU READ THE WALL AND SURFACE REPAIRS THE INTERIOR PAINT AND FRESH AND DESIGN REFRESH, STAGE REDESIGN, UPDATED MILLWORK RE REPLACE SOME GLASS SECURITY AND SAFETY SYSTEMS, LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENT. AND AS I STATED, THE KITCHEN INSTALLATION. TO ADD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE KITCHEN. OH MY GOODNESS. WHEN THAT WATER TURNED ON I CALLED MR. MATTHEWS MOSES BECAUSE THAT'S HOW I FELT, BECAUSE IT WAS SUCH HARD WORK TO GET THAT PLUMBING. YOU KNOW, IT'S AN OLD BUILDING AND HE SPENT SO MANY HOURS JUST RETOOLING THINGS, DOING DIFFERENT STUFF. SO IT WAS LIKE A HALLELUJAH, HALLELUJAH MOMENT WHEN I SAID, OH MY GOODNESS, WE HAVE WATER. IMPACT ON THESE IMPROVEMENT. SO THESE RENOVATIONS HAVE TRANSFORMED THE ENTIRE STUDENT UNION AND ACTIVITY CENTER INTO A WELCOMING AND FUNCTIONAL, YOUTH FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT. WE MAY BE ADULTS, BUT WE UNDERSTAND THAT SAFETY IS TRULY IMPORTANT. SO WE'VE WORKED AGAIN WITH A.COM, WHO HAS INSTALLED VAPE VAPING SENSORS IN THE BATHROOMS. [00:10:05] THERE ARE CAMERAS INSIDE AND OUT OF THE BUILDING. JUST SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR STUDENTS ARE SAFE WHEN THEY'RE INSIDE AND WHEN THEY'RE OUTSIDE AS WELL. MOST IMPORTANTLY, THE QUALITY OF THE IMPROVEMENT FOSTER A SENSE OF PRIDE AND OWNERSHIP AMONG OUR STUDENTS AND FAMILIES WHO USES THIS SPACE, REINFORCING THE CENTER'S ROLE AS A CORNERSTONE FOR POSITIVE YOUTH DEVELOPMENT IN WARREN COUNTY. AS STATED EARLIER, WE COULD NOT HAVE DONE THIS WITHOUT OUR PARTNERS, AND IT WAS VERY WE WERE VERY INTENTIONAL IN SEEKING PARTNERSHIP WITHIN OUR SCHOOL AND WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. SHELLY COOK PURCHASED ALL OF THE PAINT THAT WAS NEEDED TO PAINT THE INSIDE OF ALL OF THE ROOMS AND ALL OF THE BUILDINGS. BUD MATTHEWS AND HIS FAMILY. HE'S A LOCAL FATHER, HAS CHILDREN IN OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM. HE WORKS AS A CONTRACTOR FOR THE CIA. AND AT THE END OF HIS WORKDAY, HE WAS AT THE STUDENT UNION IN THE EVENINGS. ON THE WEEKENDS. WE RENOVATING THE PLUMBING AND ELECTRIC AND EVERYTHING THAT WAS NEEDED SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO. THE ONLY THING WE HAVE TO DO WAS PURCHASE MATERIALS FROM ROYAL ACS. EVERYONE KNOW JUSTIN LOVES A GARDEN AND A SPACE SO FRONT ROYAL ACS AND ABUNDANT LIFE CHURCH WORK TO HELP US WITH LANDSCAPING AND GARDEN INSTALLATION. WE CONNECTED WITH THE LOWE'S MANAGER IN FRONT ROYAL AND THEY DONATED ALL OF THE MATERIALS THAT WAS NEEDED FOR THE KITCHEN RENOVATION. GARY CLARK FROM CLARK PAINTING DID ALL THE PAINTING WITH HIS STAFF, AND I DID GENERAL REPAIRS, DRY WORK AND MILLWORK AND A HANDCLAP. LAST BUT DEFINITELY NOT LEAST, I LOVE THESE MEN AND WOMEN SO MUCH. ARE WARREN COUNTY MAINTENANCE WORKERS. IT'S LIKE WES AND JANE AND THAT TEAM ARE ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL. ANYTIME WE TEXTED WES OR TEXT JANE. JESSIE, THEY THEY ALL COME. RIGHT NOW WE'RE HAVING ISSUES WITH THE AC UNIT, AND THEY ARE THERE EVERY TIME WE EVERY TIME WE REACH OUT. SO KUDOS TO THE WARREN COUNTY MAINTENANCE DEPARTMENT. OPERATION AND STAFFING. A LONG AWAITED AWAITED DREAM CAME THROUGH MAY OF THIS YEAR, 2025. WE WANTED TO OPEN THIS SPACE FOR OUR STUDENTS. AND ALTHOUGH FUNDING WAS LIMITED, WE UTILIZE OUR BOARD MEMBERS AND OUR VOLUNTEERS UNTIL WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE FUNDING FOR TO BE ABLE TO HIRE STAFF. SO BACK IN MAY OF 2025, FOLLOWING THE AWARD OF THE GRANT FROM THE VIRGINIA OPIOID ABATEMENT AUTHORITY, WITH THE COLLABORATION OF YOU ALL THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THIS MARKS A TURNING POINT. THIS MARKED A TURNING POINT IN THE STUDENT UNION BECAUSE WHILE LIMITED USE OF THE OF THE FACILITY BEGAN, EARLIER, FULL SCALE PROGRAMING AND CONSISTENT HOURS BECAME VIABLE ONCE WE HAD STAFF IN PLACE. TWO KEY HIRES NOW LEAD THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE STUDENT UNION, AND THEY ARE HERE WITH ME TONIGHT, ALONG WITH CINEMA AND JOSEPH BARBER, WHO IS OUR BOARD MEMBERS. SO SUSIE CHAMBERLIN, WHO IS OUR DIRECTOR OF THE STUDENT UNION, OVERSEES BUILDING OPERATIONS, SAFETY, COMMUNITY PARTNERSHIPS AND EVENTS COORDINATING. AND SHE ENSURED THAT THE CENTER IS RUN SMOOTHLY. AND SHE LOVES SKYLINE DRIVE. SO, SO MUCH. AND WE TAKE OUR DRIVE UP THERE QUITE OFTEN. SO, SUSIE, IT'S SUCH A PLEASURE HAVING YOU A PART OF THE REACHING OUT NOW FAMILY. THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT YOU HAVE BEEN DOING. TRULY. AND WE HAVE XENIA GRAY. XENIA IS A PROGRAM COORDINATOR AND XENIA MANAGES STUDENT INTAKE, FAMILY AND SCHOOL COMMUNICATIONS SUPPORT, EVENTS PROGRAMING, AND COORDINATOR OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AND TUTORING. THIS ROLE ENSURES STUDENTS FEEL WELCOMING. YOU CAN SEE HER SMILE EVEN THOUGH SHE'S NERVOUS RIGHT NOW. AND TRULY HER DEDICATION AND HER COMMITMENT. BECAUSE JUST YESTERDAY SHE LOST A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF HERS. BUT SHE WANTED TO BE HERE TONIGHT. AND SHE IS SO VERY SUPPORTIVE OF OUR STUDENTS EACH DAY. AND WHAT'S AMAZING IS HOW SENIOR HAS CHILDREN IN OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM, FROM ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, ALL THE WAY UP TO HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU Z. TOGETHER, SUZY AND XENIA MAINTAIN A SAFE AND ENRICHING ENVIRONMENT BACKED BY OUR REACHING OUT NOW LEADERS AND VOLUNTEER NETWORK. BUT AGAIN, TRANSPARENCY. WANTING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN TO BRING WHAT'S NEEDED TO OUR KIDS. [00:15:05] SO WE DID A STEP FATHER. WE HAVE CREATED AN ADVISORY BOARD. AND WHAT THAT BOARD DOES IS COMPRISED OF EXPERIENCED PROFESSIONALS THAT WE CAN LEAN ON, FROM EDUCATORS TO NONPROFIT LEADERSHIP TO HUMAN RESOURCES AND COMMUNITY SERVICE. THIS THIS BOARD SUPPORTS STAFF AND THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS BY OFFERING STRATEGIC INSIGHT, PROGRAM RECOMMENDATIONS AND OPERATIONAL FEEDBACK. AND ON YOUR LIST, YOU'LL SEE THE NAME OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE CURRENTLY ON THE ADVISORY COUNCIL. YOU HAVE MICHELLE CRIBB, WHO WAS FORMERLY WITH LAUREL RIDGE BRANDY DAY. SHE IS A PROGRAM DEVELOPER FOR PEOPLE, INC.. THE ADVISORY COUNCIL IS LED BY MELISSA GERMAN, AND SHE'S WITH THE CENTER FOR NONPROFIT EXCELLENCE, AND SHE'S A SENIOR MANAGER AND OF LEARNING AND IMPACT. WE HAVE KAREN PARE FROM CISCO. SHE'S A SENIOR DIRECTOR OF HUMAN RESOURCES, JOE PETTY, WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL. SHE'S A TEACHER SUPPORT COORDINATOR, BEN TRIMMER FROM ABUNDANT LIFE CHURCH. AND JANE, WHEN SHE'S ABLE, JAYNE MEADOWS WHEN SHE'S ABLE, SHE POPS IN OR SHE'LL BE SENDING SOMEONE FROM THE COUNTY TO BE A PART OF THESE COUNCILS AS WELL. SO DAILY OPERATIONS. RIGHT NOW WE'RE IN SUMMER MODE. SO THE CENTER IS OPEN FROM 9 TO 5 WHEN THE SCHOOL YEAR BEGINS. WE WILL BE OPEN FROM 11 TO 7. THE REASON WHY WE'RE OPEN FROM 11 TO 7 IS BECAUSE WE WANT TO ACCOMMODATE OUR COMMUNITY STUDENTS, NOT JUST OUR PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS, OUR PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS, BUT OUR COMMUNITY IS COMPRISED OF HOMESCHOOL STUDENTS, PRIVATE SCHOOL STUDENTS, AND PUBLIC SCHOOL STUDENTS. SO WE OPEN AT 11. SO IN CASE A HOMESCHOOL HOMESCHOOL ORGANIZATION WANTS TO USE THE STUDENT UNION FOR WORKSHOPS, OR LAUREL RIDGE WOULD LIKE TO USE THEIR STUDENT UNION TO DO CENTER USE THE CENTER TO WORK WITH STUDENTS, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING. ACTUALLY, NEXT YEAR WE'VE MET WITH VINCENT. GREG. GETTING READY TO MEET WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT ON THURSDAY. YES. ON THURSDAY. AND WE ARE ALREADY FORMULATING PLANS FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS TO ALSO USE THE CENTER FOR WORKSHOPS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THAT. THE FACILITY IS STAFFED AT ALL TIMES. STUDENTS WILL NEVER BE IN THE STUDENT UNION BY THEMSELVES. A STAFF MEMBER WILL ALWAYS BE PRESENT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE WILL PUT A STAMP ON BECAUSE WE WANT OUR STUDENTS TO BE SAFE. AND ALL OF OUR VOLUNTEERS AND OUR STAFF HAS BEEN AND WE'RE WORKING ON. SOME OF OUR BOARD MEMBERS WHO ARE JUST JOINING US. ALL OF THEM ARE BACKGROUND CHECKED AND OUR STAFF ARE ALSO DRUG CHECKED. SAFETY MAINTAINS A TOP PRIORITY. WITH MEASURES IN PLACE INCLUDING INDOOR AND OUTDOOR VIDEO CAMERAS, VAPE DETECTORS IN OUR BATHROOMS, AND ROUTINE UPKEEP. THE STUDENT UNION IS CLEANED AND MAINTAINED REGULARLY BY OUR STAFF AND OUR VOLUNTEERS. IN ADDITION TO STUDENT STUDENT UNION PROGRAMING, AS I MENTIONED, THE SPACE IS AVAILABLE BY RESERVATION FOR COMMUNITY ORGANIZATION OFFERING MISSION ALIGNED SERVICES WORKSHOPS ARE GATHERING TO FOSTER DEEP PARTNERSHIP AND MAXIMIZE CENTER IMPACT. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF MONTHS, YOUNG LIFE HAS USED THE CENTER. EVERY MONDAY WHEN THEY WERE IN SEASON WE HAD THE WARREN COUNTY BASKETBALL TEAM. THEY USED THE CENTER FOR THEIR FOR THEIR ANNUAL END OF YEAR BANQUET. AND JUST LAST SUNDAY, THE SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL BASEBALL TEAM ALSO USED IT FOR THEIR AWARD CEREMONY. PARTNERSHIP AND GRANTS. THE SUCCESS OF THE STUDENT UNION AND ACTIVITY CENTER WAS MADE POSSIBLE THROUGH STRATEGIC PARTNERSHIP AND GRANT FUNDING THAT ALIGNED WITH OUR MISSION TO SUPPORT AND ENGAGE AND EMPOWER OUR YOUTH AND OUR COMMUNITY. THESE COLLABORATIONS HAVE ALLOWED US TO LAUNCH PROGRAMING, RENOVATE THE SPACE, AND PROVIDE MEANINGFUL EXPERIENCE FOR STUDENTS AND FAMILIES. OUR PARTNERSHIP. THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT. YOU ARE OUR FOUNDATIONAL PARTNER, PROVIDING THE FACILITY AND ESSENTIAL SUPPORT TO MAKE THE STUDENT UNION POSSIBLE THROUGH OUR ONGOING LEASE AND UTILITY ASSISTANCE. AND WE ARE SO, SO GRATEFUL THAT YOU GUYS PARTICIPATED IN RENOVATING THAT SPACE. THANK YOU. WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. BEFORE DOCTOR BOLINGER LEFT HE ENGAGED WITH US, REFERRED STUDENTS. WE ATTENDED PRINCIPAL MEETINGS. AS AND FROM HOPE TO HEATHER. [00:20:01] THEY HAVE USED THE SPACE TO HAVE MEETINGS AND SUCH. SO IT'S TRULY A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT IN THE SPACE BEING UTILIZED BY OUR COMMUNITY LEADERS, LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. THEY PROVIDE ONGOING SUPPORT THROUGH WEEKLY VISITS FROM WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT AND POST-SECONDARY PLANNING FROM THEIR STAFF, HELPING STUDENTS TO EXPLORE CAREER PATH, TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES AND EDUCATIONAL PLANNING. JUSTIN, JUSTIN AND HIS FRIENDS FROM ACS HAVE SUPPORTED MULTIPLE OUTDOOR INITIATIVES, INCLUDING RENOVATING INVASIVE SPECIES, REHABBING, REHABBING THE LOCAL WATERSHED, AND LEADING LANDSCAPE PROJECTS TO RESTORE AND ENHANCE THE NATURAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE STUDENT UNION. CLEAR HORIZON AND FORENSIC AND COUNSELING GROUP HAVE COME ALONGSIDE US, EVEN THOUGH THEY ARE NEW TO THE COMMUNITY, TO PROVIDE SUPPORT AND STAFF DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH. BESIDE, OF COURSE, THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT, WHICH IS OUR TOP FUNDER ABUNDANT LIFE CHURCH HAVE DID A FUNDRAISER FOR US AND RAISED $48,000 THAT CONTRIBUTED TO KEY FUNDING DURING THE INITIAL INITIAL CAMPAIGN. AND THEY CONTINUE TO DO A SMALL DONATION MONTHLY TO SUPPORT MULTIPLE SERVICES THROUGH VOLUNTEERING. THEIR BASE IN THE BEGINNING TO HELP WITH FURNITURE. IN ADDITION TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE KOREAN DUNSTAN FOUNDATION GAVE US $35,000. THE NATHAN JENKINS RECOVERY FUND AND THE JENKINS FAMILY DONATED $10,700. INITIAL CAMPAIGN DONATION, WHICH SUPPORTS THE NATE DOG GAME ROOM. VALLEY HEALTH GAVE US $10,000 AS WELL TO OUTFIT THE VALLEY HEALTH STUDENT SUCCESS CENTER AND CISCO, SUPPORTING THROUGH MULTIPLE ROUNDS OF INVESTMENT AND PLANNING AND PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT, GAVE US $10,000 AND SUPPORTED US WITH $10,000 AS WELL TO HELP WITH WITH THE RENOVATION OF THE KITCHEN. EXCUSE ME, MA'AM. YES, SIR. I HATE TO INTERRUPT, BUT WE DO HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT WILL BEGIN AT 730. OKAY, SO HOW MUCH TIME DO I HAVE OF TWO 30S? OKAY. I WILL GO INTO PROGRAM. THE CORE PROGRAMS WERE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS LEADERSHIP WORKSHOP SERVICE AND VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES, ACADEMIC SUPPORT, CREATIVE AND SOCIAL EVENTS, AND HEALTH AND WELLNESS INITIATIVES. IF YOU LOOK IN YOUR INDEX, THE PROMOTIONAL MATERIAL, YOU'LL SEE ALL THE EVENTS THAT WE'VE HAD AND ALL THE EVENTS THAT ARE COMING UP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. YOU'RE WELCOME. SO THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE REPORT FROM THE TREASURER. [E. Treasurer - May Update on Investment Accounts] DO WE HAVE ANY UPDATES FROM THE TREASURER? OKAY. GOOD EVENING. ZACH. I'M SORRY I DID NOT GET THE REPORT TO ZACH TO GIVE OUT TO EVERYONE. BUT I DO HAVE A COPY FOR EVERYBODY THAT I WILL GIVE, AND I'LL EMAIL IT TOMORROW AS WELL. WE HAD AN AUCTION THE DAY, SO I WAS A LITTLE LATER FINISHING UP MY NUMBERS. THE INVESTMENT BALANCES OF OUR ATLANTIC UNION WEALTH MANAGEMENT AS OF MAY 15TH, IN OUR COUNTY OF WARREN AGENCY, WE HAVE 7,000,001 99 TO 4839 IRREVOCABLE TRUST. 832 380 SCHOLARSHIP AGENCY. 207 ONE 7055. AND OUR INVESTMENT POOL THAT'S VMP 10,000,052 $17.86. OUR INTEREST TOTALS FOR WEALTH MANAGEMENT FOR MAY 50TH $5,284.22 IN OUR TWO ATLANTIC UNION AND OUR MONEY MARKET ACCOUNT AND OUR UNITED BANK OPERATING FUND. THOSE TOTALS ARE 9,000,187 8164. INTEREST 16,827 AND $0.45. SO THE TOTALS FOR MAY 20TH 7,000,471 588. 44 $72,111.67. INTEREST. THE INTEREST RATE FOR THE INVESTMENT POOL FOR MAY WAS 4.42%. SO THAT WAS VERY GOOD. AND THE MONEY MARKET WAS 2.32%. AND THERE WILL BE SOME FUNDS MATURING IN JULY THAT I WILL BE MOVING FROM ATLANTIC UNION OUT OF THE COUNTY BORNE AGENCY. [00:25:04] SO I WILL KEEP YOU UPDATED ON THAT. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? HOW MUCH DID THE AUCTION RETURN RETURNED TODAY, SO RIGHT AROUND HALF $1 MILLION. WOW. SO WE HAD A HAD VERY GOOD, VERY GOOD AUCTION TODAY. WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE COMING BEFORE THE END OF JULY. AND THEN THERE WILL BE ONE IN NOVEMBER AS WELL, AND POSSIBLY ANOTHER ONLINE IN BETWEEN. SO AND THAT IS BEFORE THE FEES I THINK IT WAS RIGHT AT 480 RIGHT IN THERE SOMEWHERE. SO IT WAS IT WAS A VERY GOOD AUCTION TODAY. ARE YOU GOING TO SEND US AN EMAIL OR. I AM, I AM I JUST I CAN'T WRITE THAT ALL DOWN THAT. NO, NO ABSOLUTELY NOT. I JUST I SAW THAT IT WAS ON THE AGENDA AND I WAS LIKE, LET ME GO AHEAD AND JUST GET YOU THE NUMBERS BECAUSE I HAD ALREADY BEEN WORKING ON IT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY. ALTHOUGH WE WE ONLY HAVE JUST A FEW MINUTES. WE WILL OPEN UP THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. THE FIRST WILL BE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, [F. Public Comment Period for Items on the Agenda (30-Minute Time Limit) (Part 1 of 2)] THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHALL BE LIMITED TO 60 MINUTES, DIVIDED INTO TWO 30 MINUTE SEGMENTS. THE FIRST 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS LIMITED TO COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS WHICH ARE ON THE MEETING AGENDA, NOT ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE SECOND 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS. AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES FOR ANY ONE SPEAKER. SPEAKERS MAY ONLY SPEAK ONCE PER MEETING AND MAY NOT SPEAK DURING BOTH COMMENT PERIODS. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING, OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION OF THE PROCEEDINGS. THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS. PLACARDS, POSTERS AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS A PART OF FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD AT THE HEARING. THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN. FAILURE TO LEAD THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN ASKED TO DO SO IS IN VIOLATION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 56 FOUR AND VIRGINIA CODE 18.244 15, AND IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF UP TO $2,500 AND A JAIL SENTENCE OF UP TO 12 MONTHS OR BOTH. FINALLY, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMMENTS. YOUNG CHILDREN MAY BE VIEWING THIS SESSION EITHER IN PERSON OR LATER ONLINE, AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS TENDENCY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY IF INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS USED. THANK YOU FOR YOUR COOPERATION. DO WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE? ONE? ONE PERSON LOOKS LIKE 730, SO I'M. I'M SORRY. I'M LOOKING AT THE CLOCK. IT LOOKS LIKE 730, SIR. WELL, I ON ON THE ON MY PHONE. IT'S IT'S 728. SO. LET'S JUST HAVE. 111 PERSON WHO WE HAVE SIGNED UP. FIRST UP IS ELIZABETH CONNOLLY. THREE MINUTES MA'AM. HI. LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR LETTING US SPEAK TONIGHT. I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AND THAT I OPPOSE THE TAKING AND RENAMING OF THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT RIDES ALONG OUR PROPERTY LINE BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY HAS EXISTED FOR 48 YEARS. HAS SEVEN PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ACCESS TO IT. THERE ARE FOUR HOMES THAT HAVE ACCESS POINTS. THERE ARE NO PLATTED ENTRANCES ON ANY OF THESE FOR ANY OF THESE PROPERTIES. ONTO THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY. ALL SEVEN PROPERTIES HAVE ADDRESSES IS ON STATE MAINTAINED ROADS AND ARE NOT LANDLOCKED. AS OF 3RD JUNE, THERE IS ONLY ONE HOME ON THE PRIVATE ROADWAY THAT REQUIRES ACCESS TO THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. AS THE THIRD HOME VOLUNTARILY CHANGED THEIR ADDRESS TO 19 399 FORT VALLEY ROAD. THIS PREEMPTS THE THIRD HOUSE STATUS AT THE TIME, AS THE HERNANDEZ REQUEST CAME IN ON 19TH JUNE. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE A LEGAL ADDRESS ON 19 471 FORT VALLEY ROAD ALREADY IN EXISTENCE. THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY IS A DRIVEWAY GOING UP FOR MY PROPERTY AND IS NOT A ROAD. IT DOES NOT SHOW UP ON THE GIS SYSTEM, GOOGLE MAPS, AND DOES NOT HAVE A SIGN AT ITS ACCESS POINT OUT ONTO LOWER VALLEY ROAD, HAS NOT BEEN RECOGNIZED BY THE COUNTY, VDOT OR THE HOA DUE TO ITS PRIVATE STATUS DUE TO A THIRD ADDRESS STRUCTURE. UTILIZING A PRIVATE ROW TRIGGERS A MANDATORY REVIEW BY THE COUNTY STAFF TO ASSIST IN COMPLIANCE. [00:30:03] THIS BECAUSE THIS THIS EXCUSE ME, ADDRESSABLE STRUCTURE IS ALREADY ADDRESSED ONTO FORT VALLEY ROAD. IT CAME AS A REQUEST FROM THE HOMEOWNER TO HAVE THIS DONE. SO THEY COULD HAVE THEIR ADDRESS PLACED ON TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. VDOT EMAIL APPROVAL FOR ENTRANCE, REAL ESTATE LISTING. BUILDING PERMIT. EARTH DISTURBANCE PERMIT, GIS ADDRESS GIVEN VDOT EMAIL TO CLEAR BRUSH FROM FOR APPROVAL, OCCUPANCY PERMIT, HEALTH DEPARTMENT COMPLETION STATEMENT AND FINALLY VDOT CORRESPONDENCE ON GETTING THE 25 YEAR OLD DRIVEWAY COMPLIANT, ALL GIVEN FOR 17 C 14, A 19 471 FORT VALLEY ROAD. THE ADDRESSABLE STRUCTURE THEY REFERENCE ACCESS TO A PUBLIC ROAD IS A PREREQUISITE REQUISITE FOR A VALID GIS GIVEN ADDRESS AND A RIGHT OF WAY, WHILE GRANTING ACCESS DOES AUTOMATICALLY CREATE A SEPARATE ADDRESS FOR EACH PROPERTY WITH ACCESS, ADDRESSES ARE ASSIGNED BASED ON THE PRIMARY ACCESS POINT TO A PUBLIC ROAD 911 BEING THE ISSUE WITH THIS PROPERTY, THE PROPERTY OWNER CAN CONTACT E911 WITH A PLAT TO IDENTIFY THEY HAVE AN ADDITIONAL ACCESS POINT ONTO THEIR PROPERTY. THIS WILL POP UP ON THE EMERGENCY SERVICE SCREEN SO THEY KNOW THERE IS AN OPTION FOR THIS HOME. THE RIGHT OF WAY. THIS LEGAL TERM PERMITS ACCESS TO A PARCEL OF LAND FOR A SPECIFIC PURPOSE. OTHERS OFTEN RELATED TO PASSAGE OR ACCESS ACROSS ANOTHER'S PROPERTY. IT DOES NOT EQUATE TO OWNERSHIP OF THE LAND, AND DOES NOT CREATE A NEW ADDRESS FOR EACH PROPERTY THAT UTILIZES IT. THE FUNDAMENTAL ADDRESS OF THE PROPERTY REMAINS UNCHANGED. ADDITIONALLY, VIRGINIA GENERALLY DOES NOT SUPPORT THE CREATION OF AN ADDRESS BASED ON A SHARED DRIVEWAY OR EASEMENT. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU MA'AM. IS THIS A LEGAL GIS ADDRESS? THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR LISTENING TO ME. SORRY I TALKED TO YOU. SO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOW OPEN. [I. Public Hearing - CUP2025-04-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 311 Golden Russet Dr - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 311 Golden Russet Dr and is identified on tax map 22B, block T, as lot 32. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Apple Mountain Lake subdivision in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] FIRST PUBLIC HEARING. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN NOVEMBER OF 2020. FOR THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE BASEMENT OF THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO EXPERIENCE THE BEAUTY OF WARREN COUNTY RESIDING ON THE PROPERTY. THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 311 GOLDEN RUSSET DRIVE AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 22 B, BLOCK T AS LOT 32. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE APPLE MOUNTAIN LAKE SUBDIVISION IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT, AND WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1976, AND CURRENTLY HAS NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO APPLE MOUNTAIN LAKE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT WE NEVER RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS FROM THEM. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. 343 GOLDEN RUSSET DRIVE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 89FT TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING, AND WE DO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THAT NEIGHBOR. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PLANNING STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 56.4 B, THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E-COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100FT TO NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 89 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I AM NOT QUITE SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. YES HE IS. WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS GUSTAVO ROSALES. I RESIDE AT 311 GOLDEN RUSSET DRIVE. LYNN, VIRGINIA. SORRY, I'M NOT GOOD AT PUBLIC SPEAKING, BUT I DO OWN AND OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL IN NORTH CAROLINA, AND I AM LIVING ON THE PREMISES FOR THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED HERE. SO I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE FOR AT LEAST I SET UP MY FIRST SHORT TERM RENTAL IN 2022 AND HAVE BEEN USING PROPERTY MANAGERS. [00:35:05] AND AS OF MAYBE ABOUT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, I'VE TAKEN OVER AND MANAGED IT MYSELF OUT OF STATE. SO I'VE BECOME PRETTY FAMILIAR WITH THE PROCESS OF, YOU KNOW, OWNING SUCH A PROPERTY. WITH THIS SPACE, IT'S MY PRIMARY RESIDENCE, BUT IT HAS THE BASEMENT IS FULLY FINISHED. IT HAS TWO WALKOUT BASEMENT DOORS. SO ANYBODY THAT'S STAYING ON THE PROPERTY WILL BE COMPLETELY SEPARATED FROM MY LIVING AREA. SO THAT WAY THEY HAVE PRIVACY AND TWO EXITS IN CASE OF EMERGENCIES. I ALREADY HAVE INSTALLED CARBON MONOXIDE MONITORS FIRE ALARMS. THERE IS, I BELIEVE, LIKE TWO WINDOWS THAT ARE ALSO AT THE BASEMENT LEVEL. SO IN TOTAL, THERE'S IS ABOUT FOUR OPENINGS FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE BASEMENT TO THE OUTSIDE AT DIFFERENT SIDES OF THE THE BUILDING. RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST ME AND MY DOG LIVING ON THE PROPERTY, SO I WOULDN'T BE EXCEEDING THE OCCUPANCY RATE. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, JUST TO KEEP THINGS MANAGEABLE, I'M NOT ANTICIPATING ON HOSTING ANY MORE THAN 2 TO 3, POSSIBLY MAX FOUR PEOPLE, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M JUST SETTING IT UP FOR TWO PEOPLE AT A TIME JUST TO KEEP THE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND NOISE AND ALL THAT AT A MINIMUM. I MEAN, YEAH, JUST REALLY CAME HERE FOR THE SEE IF YOU GUYS HAD ANY OTHER QUESTIONS. I DID REACH OUT PREVIOUSLY BEFORE PUTTING THE APPLICATION TO OTHER SHORT TERM PROPERTY MANAGERS IN THE AREA. I DID SEE ON THE ON THE SHORT TERM RENTAL MAP THAT YOU GUYS HAVE ONLINE. THERE'S ALREADY MULTIPLE LISTINGS, SHORT TERM RENTAL LISTINGS ON THE APPLE MOUNTAIN NEIGHBORHOOD. SO THAT'S SOMETHING I ALSO LOOKED INTO. THE PROPERTY MANAGERS THAT I DID TALK TO THAT ARE ALREADY HERE SAID THAT THEY WOULD BE AVAILABLE FOR ME TO USE AS A RESOURCE FOR ANY LOCAL GUIDANCE. AS STATED, I DID PURCHASE THE PROPERTY BACK IN NOVEMBER. AND, YOU KNOW, I JUST YEAH, IT'S JUST A WAY FOR ME TO, YOU KNOW, HELP WITH THE MORTGAGE. AND I FIGURED IT'S JUST A SPACE I'M NOT REALLY UTILIZING AND JUST SOMETHING I WOULD LIKE TO DO HERE. SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. JOHN JENKINS. OKAY. THANK YOU. JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. I'M NOT A BIG FAN OF THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. I'VE SAID THAT BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW WHAT BENEFIT IT IS FOR THE COUNTY AS FAR AS TAX REVENUE. I DO KNOW THAT THERE'S AN APPLICATION FEE OF $1,750, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY USED UP BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKING SITE VISITS, GENERATING REPORTS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A COUPLE OTHERS, I GUESS. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT. BUT THIS CODE 180 DAYS, 56 DAYS, FOUR WAS ENTERED INTO THE COUNTY CODE IN APRIL OF 2012, AND THEN THE CODE WAS AMENDED IN NOVEMBER OF 2014, AND THE CODE WAS AMENDED AGAIN IN MARCH OF 2024. THE ONE LINE ITEM ABOUT THE 100 FOOT DISTANCE HAS NOT CHANGED. I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD ALLOW THAT CHANGE. IF YOU ALLOW IT TODAY, SOMEONE ELSE COMES IN. YOU HAVE TO DO THE SAME THING FOR THEM. IT APPEARS THAT SOME OF THESE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED CIANO FARMS, HIGH NOB THEY SORT OF GET PASSED THROUGH QUICK. IF THESE PROPERTIES WERE LOCATED ROCKLAND ROAD, GUARD HILL, RELIANCE ROAD, WHERE YOU HAVE MUCH BIGGER HOUSES AND SO FORTH, I DON'T THINK WOULD YOU WOULD LOOK AT IT AT ALL IN MY OPINION. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR SIGN UP, SIR. WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? GOING FOR IT? WELL, I'LL GO AHEAD WITH MY MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025 401. DO I HAVE A SECOND? YEAH. I'LL SECOND. [00:40:07] ROLL CALL. MRS.. COLORS. YES. MR. SANDMEIER. NO. MR. CHAIRMAN. NO. DOCTOR. JAMISON. AYE. MRS. COOK. AYE. SO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS DENIED. YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. SECOND. [J. Public Hearing - CUP2025-04-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 471 Shady Tree Ln - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 471 Shady Tree Lane and is identified on tax map 16A, section 1, block 2, as lot 59A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] SECOND. WE HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE, 471 SHADY TREE LANE. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. YES, THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 471 SHADY TREE LANE AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 16. A SECTION ONE. BLOCK TWO IS LOT 59. A PROPERTY IS IN RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN JULY OF 2024. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE SHORT TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS SEEKING TO ENJOY THE NATURAL BEAUTY, RECREATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND HISTORICAL CHARM OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA. PRIMARILY RESIDING IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY PERSONALLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR CLEANING, MAINTENANCE AND LANDSCAPING. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE BLUE MOUNTAINS SUBDIVISION. WE DO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS, INDICATING THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED LAND USE, PROVIDED THE OCCUPANCY IS LIMITED TO SIX OCCUPANTS. HOWEVER, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT IS APPROVED FOR A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS AS IT IS A FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING. AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT COMPLIES WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS. THE DWELLING ALSO MEETS THE SETBACK REGULATION OF 100FT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. NEAREST RESIDENCE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 194FT TO THE SOUTHEAST. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOLLOWING THEIR PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT, PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E.COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA. A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED, AND THERE ARE FAR TOO MANY BEAUTIFUL FACES IN THE CROWD FOR ME TO KNOW IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. I'M GOING WITH NO, BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. ALL RIGHT. SO THE APPLICANT IS NOT AVAILABLE TO SPEAK. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY. IS ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR. WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? IF NOT, PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. THE DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE CUP 2025 0402 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. COOK. DOCTOR. JAMIESON. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN. AYE. MR.. SANDMEIER. HI, MRS.. COLLARS. HI. OKAY, SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL [K. Public Hearing - CUP2025-04-03 – Short-Term Tourist Rental - 209 Luchase Rd - A request for a conditional use permit for a Short-Term Tourist Rental. The property is located at 209 Luchase Road and is identified on tax map 23A, section 4, block 10, as lot 7A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] FOR 209. IS IT LUCAS OR LUCAS? LUCAS. LUCAS ROAD. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR A PROPERTY THEY PURCHASED IN AUGUST. THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THEIR PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING. RESIDING IN WINCHESTER, THEY PLAN ON MANAGING THE PROPERTY THEMSELVES WITH ASSISTANCE FROM LOCAL PROFESSIONAL SERVICES FOR TRASH DISPOSAL, CLEANING AND PROPERTY MAINTENANCE. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 209 LU CHASE ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23, A SECTION FOUR, BLOCK TEN, AS LOT SEVEN A. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, LOCATED IN THE SKYLAND ESTATES SUBDIVISION, WHERE THERE ARE CURRENTLY TEN ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. [00:45:01] THERE ARE NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN THIS ZONING DISTRICT. APPLICANTS PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND WERE DENIED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN FEBRUARY. THEY ARE NOW REAPPLYING WITH CHANGES MADE TO THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN TO REDUCE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AND PARKING, ADDITIONAL SCREENING AND ADDITIONAL SECURITY MANAGEMENT. THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. HOWEVER, THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN STATES THAT A MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY OF FOUR WILL BE ALLOWED. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION AND AT THIS TIME THEY DO NOT ENDORSE THIS APPLICATION. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION, AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES. THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENTS. 189 LU CHASE ROAD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46FT TO THE WEST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THE SECOND NEIGHBORING PROPERTY AT 233 LOU CHASE ROAD IS APPROXIMATELY 95FT TO THE EAST. WE DO HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE CLOSER NEIGHBOR, LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 46FT AWAY, BUT NOT FROM THE NEIGHBOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF 95FT. THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND PLANNING STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT. THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM. CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 56.4 B, THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E-COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS, AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AND LASTLY, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100FT TO THE NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 46 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE EXISTING 95 FOOT SETBACK DWELLING TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US, MISTER CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME, BUT MISSUS WALL HASN'T SEEN THIS YET. BUT THIS EVENING, JUST BEFORE 6:00 WE RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER OF 233. THAT YOU HAVE YOU EACH HAVE A COPY OF. NOW. I'M JUST GOING TO ASK ABOUT THAT, BUT ANYWAY IS A PROPERTY OWNER HERE? YES. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? HI, I'M JILLIAN GREENFIELD. 14 EAST PICCADILLY STREET IN WINCHESTER. SPEAKING SPECIFICALLY TO A LETTER IN FRONT OF YOU RIGHT NOW, WHICH I ALSO HAVE A COPY OF. THIS IS OUR NEIGHBOR OF 95FT. THIS NEIGHBOR DOES SITE QUESTIONS ABOUT OUR PERMITTING. WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PERMITS, AND WE HAVE VERIFIED THAT WITH KELLY AND CHASE, OF COURSE. AND MATT. SO WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PERMITS. OTHER ITEMS ON HER LETTER SAY THAT SHE DOESN'T SUPPORT OUR CUP PERMIT. SHE ACTUALLY, IN FACT SHE IS THE ONE LETTER WE DON'T HAVE. BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO THAT IN KIND OF MY FORMAT. I HAD ORIGINALLY PLANNED OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS, RICHARD AND I HAVE MADE SEVERAL MODIFICATIONS TO OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN. THESE INCLUDE REDUCING OUR OCCUPANCY FROM SIX PEOPLE TO A MAXIMUM OF FOUR, AND LIMITING THE NUMBER OF CARS TO A MAXIMUM OF TWO. OUR GUESTS ARE SMALL FAMILIES AND COUPLES LOOKING FOR PRIVACY. SO WE'RE FINE WITH THESE CHANGES. AND WE ALSO KNEW THEY WOULD ADDRESS SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS IN THE HOUSE. WE WERE PROBABLY THE ONLY APPLICANTS WILLING TO GO LESS THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT TO APPEASE OUR COMMUNITY. ADDITIONALLY, WE ANTICIPATE NOT PERMITTING GUESTS DURING WINTER MONTHS FOR THE PURPOSES OF SAFETY FOR OUR GUESTS AND OUR CLEANING TEAM. DURING THAT TIME, RICHARD AND I HOPE TO USE THE HOUSE. IN TOTAL, THAT WOULD MAKE US ABOUT 50% OCCUPANCY WITH A MAXIMUM OF FOUR PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE. IT'S A VERY LOW INTENSITY USE FOR THE PROPERTY. AGAIN, THAT'S IN RESPONSE TO BEING SENSITIVE TO OUR COMMUNITY. REGARDING OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN, RICHARD, I HAVE ATTENDED EVERY SKYLAND MEETING FOR THE PAST SEVEN MONTHS, [00:50:03] OFTEN BEING THE ONLY COMMUNITY MEMBER IN ATTENDANCE. DURING THIS TIME, WE SHARED OUR IMPROVED MANAGEMENT PLAN AND WE ASKED FOR FEEDBACK AND WE ASKED FOR THEIR SUGGESTIONS. THIS IS ALSO A SUGGESTION BY MR. DALY, WHICH I THANK YOU FOR OUR SUPPLEMENTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE FIRST ANY APPLICANT HAS EVER OFFERED GOES ABOVE AND BEYOND ADDRESSING THE TYPICAL CONCERNS THE BOARD AND COMMUNITY HAD ABOUT NOISE, PARKING, SPEEDING AND ROAD SAFETY AND PROPERTY SIGNAGE. I'VE EVEN ADDRESSED THE THE SKYLANDS, MORE UNUSUAL CONCERNS ABOUT SHARING THE COMMUNITY OVERLOOK WITH GUESTS, AND THEIR CONCERN FOR THE POSSIBILITY OF PUBLIC NUDITY. ALL OF THAT'S BEEN ADDRESSED IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S IN YOUR GUIDE. IT'S AN ADDITIONAL TWO PAGES BEYOND THE MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE COUNTY. MISS COOKE, I'VE TAKEN YOUR RECOMMENDATIONS ABOUT OFFERING ADDITIONAL SCREENING TO MY NEIGHBOR, WHO IS 95FT AWAY. I'VE EVEN OFFERED TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE ALONG THE ROADS IN SKYLAND. I'VE EVEN MADE MAGNETS TO HAND OUT. AND IF I MADE MY APPROACH. THESE MAGNETS. NOBODY ELSE HAS EVER DONE THIS EITHER OF THE HOSTS. THESE MAGNETS HAVE MY CONTACT INFORMATION. RECORDS, CONTACT INFORMATION. AND IT ALSO PROVIDES THE HOTLINE FOR REACHING OUT FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL VIOLATIONS, WHICH THE COUNTY WEBSITE HAS. BUT THIS IS DIRECTS THEM DIRECTLY TO THAT AND ALSO THE NON-EMERGENCY LINE FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. SO THESE ARE MAGNETS I PLAN TO HAND OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS. ANYBODY WHO WOULD WANT ONE, THEY CAN DIRECTLY RESPOND TO ANY CONCERNS THEY MAY HAVE ABOUT MY PROPERTY REACHING ME DIRECTLY. AND THEY HAVE THREE OTHER OUTLETS TO REACH, JUST IN CASE THEY DON'T REACH ME IMMEDIATELY. NOBODY'S EVER DONE THAT EITHER. I'VE GOT SIX LETTERS OF RECOMMENDATION IN YOUR PACKETS, INCLUDING A TESTIMONIAL FROM ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS AT SHENANDOAH SHORES AND TWO FROM MY NEIGHBORS ATTESTING IN SHENANDOAH SHORES, ATTESTING THEY'VE NEVER HAD ANY ISSUES WITH OUR GUESTS IN FIVE YEARS. ALL OF THAT BEING SAID, THESE EFFORTS ARE SECONDARY TO THE CORE ISSUE, WHICH IS THE 100 FOOT SETBACK AND OUR INABILITY TO GET A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM MY ONE NEIGHBOR WHO'S 95FT AWAY. THAT'S THE EMAIL YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THE 100 FOOT RULE IS A SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION ESTABLISHED TO ENSURE FAIRNESS AMONG NEIGHBORS AND ALLOWING THEM TO VOICE CONCERNS ABOUT LIVING NEAR A SHORT TERM RENTAL AND TO PROMOTE EQUAL CONSIDERATION FOR ALL. THE COMMISSION AND THE BOARD CAN CHOOSE TO WAIVE THIS RULE OR ENFORCE IT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS, BASED ON HAVING ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT EACH SITUATION TO HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THIS SITUATION. OUR NEIGHBOR OF 95FT AWAY OPERATES HER OWN SHORT TERM RENTAL, AND THIS IS WHO IS WITHHOLDING HER LETTER OF SUPPORT. IN FACT, HER OWN SHORT TERM RENTAL HAS IT'S THE SAME VARIANCE WAIVER THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR. WE ARE ASKING FOR THE SAME EXACT THING. THAT SHE HAS. THIS IS THE WOMAN WE'RE ASKING FOR A LETTER FROM. USING THIS RULE TO KEEP OUT COMPETITION WAS NOT THE INTENT OF HOW THE 100 FOOT RULE WAS SUPPOSED TO BE USED, WHICH WAS CONFIRMED WHEN THE PLANNING COMMISSION VOTED UNANIMOUSLY IN FAVOR JUST LAST MONTH OF RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR APPLICATION. THEY AGREED OBJECTIVELY, THE NEIGHBOR'S OPERATION OF HER SHORT TERM RENTAL EVIDENCES. SHE HAS NO ISSUES RESIDING NEXT TO ONE, SHE OPERATES ONE. ADDRESSING THE CONCERN THE LETTER IS OTHERWISE INTENDED FOR. IN SHORT, THEY SUPPORTED AND RECOMMENDED APPROVAL BECAUSE THIS IS IN 100% ALIGNMENT WITH THE SPIRIT OF PROMOTING FAIRNESS AND THE EQUAL TREATMENT. THE 100 FOOT RULE IS DESIGNED TO ACHIEVE FAIRNESS AND EQUAL TREATMENT. THAT'S WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION UNANIMOUSLY AGREED LAST MONTH, AND WHAT THE RULE WAS INTENDED FOR, AND FOR WHAT? YOUR APPROVAL AND FOR YOUR APPROVAL OF MY APPLICATION. THAT WILL PROVIDE THE SAME TONIGHT. I'M ONLY ASKING FOR THE SAME PERMIT MY NEIGHBOR HAS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU MA'AM. ANY QUESTIONS? WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THE IS IT THE PO SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION? SKYLAND CORPORATION IS A ROAD COMMITTEE. IT'S NOT AN HOA. THE IT IS NOT AN HOA. AND THEY'LL SPEAK TO ALL OF THAT BECAUSE THEY ARE HERE. THE SAME BOARD MEMBERS THAT WE MET WITH FOR SEVEN MONTHS IN A ROW. [00:55:05] IT'S THE ROAD COMMITTEE, SO I RESPECT THEM VERY MUCH. THEY'VE LIVED IN THE COMMUNITY A LONG TIME. AND I'M SURE THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, SEEING A LOT OF CHANGE, AND THAT'S UNCOMFORTABLE. BUT I HAVE BEEN THERE TO HEAR THEIR CONCERNS AND ADDRESS ALL OF THOSE CONCERNS TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I HAVE A QUESTION FOR OUR STAFF. YEAH. IS IT TRUE THAT THE WOMAN, THE NEXT DOOR, THE OWNER OF THE HOUSE THAT IS 95FT AWAY, HAS A A CUP FOR A SHORT TERM SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT WAS WAIVED? YES, MA'AM. I BELIEVE THERE IS A SHE DOES HAVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH A 40 FOOT SETBACK WAIVER. AND WHEN DID THAT? WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN? THAT WAS IN 2019. OKAY. YEAH. YEAH. NOW. NOW THAT THERE'S ANOTHER HOME ON THE OTHER SIDE, IS THAT CORRECT? SO WHAT IS THAT? YEAH. SO MRS. GREENFIELD'S PROPERTY IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY HERE. MISS DEVOS PROPERTY IS HERE, AND THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR MRS. DEVOE IS ON THIS SIDE. SO MISS DEVOE WILL RESIDE BETWEEN BOTH SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. THANK YOU. IS IS MR. SMOLIN OR ANYBODY FROM SCOTLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION HERE? NO, THEY'RE ALL HERE. OKAY. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK? OH, SORRY. OH. I'M SORRY. BUT. MA'AM, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSED IT. THE 46 FOOT HOUSE DID WE GET? I WAS LOOKING, AND I CAN'T TELL. SOME OF THEM DIDN'T PUT THEIR ADDRESSES. YES, MA'AM. WE HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THAT NEIGHBOR. AND HE'S HERE TOO. OKAY. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MA'AM. DO WE. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. FIRST UP IS JOHN JENKINS. JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. I'D LIKE TO SAY I'M FORTUNATE TO NOT HAVE ANY OF THESE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD. THE LADY GAVE A GREAT PRESENTATION. THE ONE THING TO COME OUT WAS THE 100 FOOT RULE. THE ONE HOUSE IS, LIKE, 95FT AWAY, AND THE OTHER HOUSE IS LIKE 45 OR 50. I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THE DISTANCE, BUT I SPENT HOURS READING THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, AND I PRETTY MUCH THINK THAT IF THE CODE IS WRITTEN, THEN YOU SHOULD ADHERE TO THE CODE. IF YOU WANT TO CHANGE THE RULING FOR THIS, THEN USE A SPECIAL MEETING WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND EITHER GET RID OF IT OR DO SOMETHING ELSE. SO I KNOW THAT PUBLIC SPEAKING INTERRUPTING YOU. HERE'S A CODE FOR THAT AND A PUNISHMENT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP. SORRY. NEXT UP IS DON BROADWAY. GOOD EVENING Y'ALL. DON BROADWAY, 57 PEPPER COURT, LONDON, VIRGINIA. I RESIDE IN SKYLINE ESTATES. I'M VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION IN THE SKYLAND SANITARY DISTRICT. WE HAVE, I THINK, 5 OR 6 BOARD MEMBERS HERE THIS EVENING. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS. FIRST OF ALL, TIP OF THE HAT TO THE APPLICANT. VERY PROFESSIONAL. BEST I'VE EVER SEEN. AS FAR AS THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS GO. WE WERE REQUIRED BY Y'ALL TO COME UP WITH A SET OF CRITERIA. THIS WAS SEVERAL YEARS BACK. AND THEN WE WERE ALSO REQUIRED TO GIVE AN OPINION AS TO WHETHER WE WOULD ENDORSE OR NOT ENDORSE ANY CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS AS THEY ARISE. WE DID COMPLY WITH THAT. WE CAME UP WITH A SET OF CRITERIA. WE SUBMITTED IT. [01:00:02] I UNDERSTAND THAT THEY'RE GIVEN OUT WITH EACH APPLICATION. AND WE DO EXCUSE ME, WE DO COMMENT ON EACH CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT DOES COME BEFORE US AS A BOARD. AND ONE OF OUR CRITERIA IS THAT IT'S OWNER OCCUPIED DURING THE RENTAL. THIS DOES NOT MEET THAT CRITERIA. AND WE ARE VERY CONSISTENT IN HOW WE VOTE. ANOTHER CRITERIA IS YOUR OWN, WHICH IS THE 100 FOOT SEPARATION. THE ONE THAT'S CURRENTLY AT 46FT. I BELIEVE THAT PROPERTIES RECENTLY CHANGED HANDS. I THINK THAT USED TO BE MRS. PARKER'S PROPERTY AND SHE'S PASSED AWAY. HE MAY WRITE A LETTER OF APPROVAL NOW. AND IF HE'S FLIPPING THE HOUSE, WHAT ABOUT THE NEXT PEOPLE THAT MOVE IN THERE? I WOULD JUST POSIT THAT IF YOU HAVE 100 FOOT SEPARATION ORDINANCE, THAT YOU EITHER ADHERE TO IT OR YOU CHANGE THE ORDINANCE SO THAT IT'S FAIR AND LEVEL ACROSS THE BOARD. I PERSONALLY WE'RE TRYING TO MAINTAIN A BEDROOM TYPE COMMUNITY, IN OUR EXCUSE ME SKYLINE ESTATES AND WITH THE INFLUX OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AIRBNB TYPE OPERATIONS, WE FEEL THAT WE'RE LOSING THAT SENSE OF FAMILY AND COMMUNITY WITH THE INFLUX OF TRANSIENT PEOPLE. WHERE WE LIVE THERE, IT'S OUR HOME, AND WE'RE JUST TRYING TO LOOK OUT. SO I'M NOT ONLY HERE PRESENTING MY PERSONAL OPINION, BUT BECAUSE I'M A BOARD MEMBER, I'M REPRESENTING OUR LARGER COMMUNITY AND SPEAKING UP ON BEHALF OF THOSE WHO ELECT US TO REPRESENT THEM. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. NEXT UP IS DOCTOR DAVID MAGEE. GREETINGS, DOCTOR DAVE MCGEE. I AM ON THE BOARD SANITARY DISTRICT BOARD. I'M TAKING A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT APPROACH ON THIS THING, BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THIS THING FROM A PRAGMATIC WORLDVIEW THAT LAWS HAVE TO BE EQUALLY APPLIED. THE 14TH AMENDMENT BASICALLY SAYS THAT I HAVE AN EXPECTATION THAT THE LAWS THAT ARE PASSED FOR ME, THAT I HAVE TO OBEY, HAVE TO BE EQUALLY APPLIED ACROSS ALL, ALL SECTORS OF SOCIETY. THE 100 FOOT RULE HAS A WAIVER WORD IN IT. THE PROBLEM IS, I COULDN'T FIND A CALCULUS THAT SAID THIS IS WHAT THAT WAIVER SHOULD LOOK LIKE. SO THE QUESTION ARISES IS A PLUS OR -10% OKAY, 90FT AND EVERYTHING. WE HAVE GRAY AREA. BUT IN THIS CASE IT'S 53%. AND THAT'S AN EXTREME OUTLIER THAT I WOULD HAVE A I WOULD RAISE A QUESTION. SO MY POINT OF VIEW IS THAT EITHER WE ENFORCE THE LAW AS IT IS WRITTEN, OR WE CHANGE THE LAW THAT SAYS WE CAN HAVE MORE VARIANCE IN WHAT THAT 100 FOOT MARK LOOKS LIKE. AND SO THAT'S MY POINT OF VIEW. AND THAT'S MY $0.02. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP IS MAUREEN DIAZ. HI. I RESIDE AT 30 LEWIS ROAD, AND I WANT TO SAY THAT GILLIAN HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB OF TRYING TO APPEASE US. BUT AS HAS ALREADY BEEN STATED, IT FAILS IN ONE AREA. SO I'M GOING TO READ WHAT I WROTE WHEN I COULD NOT ATTEND THE LAST MEETING. AND I THINK IT ADDRESSES ALL OF THIS. I WILL MENTION IN IN REGARDS TO LIVING ON THE PREMISES, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT DOES LIVE ON THE PREMISES AND THEY WATCH IT VERY CLOSELY. BUT MY FAMILY AND I MOVED HERE TEN YEARS AGO, HAVING PURCHASED A HOUSE IN A SAD STATE OF REPAIR. WE SAW THE POTENTIAL IN IT AND HOW LIVING IN SKYLAND ESTATES COMMUNITY COMMUNITY MIGHT BE OF BENEFIT TO OUR FAMILY. WE NEVER DREAMED WHERE WE WOULD FIND OURSELVES TEN YEARS LATER. WE INVESTED EVERYTHING WE HAD FINANCIALLY INTO OUR HOME AND BUILT A LIFE FOR OURSELVES HERE, LEARNING TO KNOW OUR NEIGHBORS AND GROWING AN APPRECIATION FOR ALL THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAD TO OFFER IN TERMS OF FRIENDSHIPS AND CAMARADERIE. AND AFTER SOME TIME, I WAS HONORED TO BE ASKED TO JOIN THE BOARD OF SKYLAND ESTATES, A ROLE THAT I TAKE VERY SERIOUSLY. AND I UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF HELPING TO KEEP OUR COMMUNITY SAFE AND STRONG. STRONG DOESN'T COME WITH STRANGERS. WHILE AT FIRST I WAS APPREHENSIVE ABOUT MOVING TO SKYLAND ESTATES, [01:05:05] I QUICKLY GREW TO APPRECIATE AND ENJOY SEVERAL ASPECTS OF OUR ENVIRONMENT. WE HAVE SOME GORGEOUS VIEWS, LOTS OF BEAUTIFUL WOODLANDS FULL OF WILDLIFE, AND I ESPECIALLY AM PROUD OF HOW OUR COMMUNITY WORKS TOGETHER TO MAKE IMPROVEMENTS AND TO WATCH OUT FOR ONE ANOTHER. BUT MOST OF ALL, WE ARE BEYOND GRATEFUL FOR THE MANY FRIENDSHIPS THAT WE HAVE BUILT WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. THIS IS NOT JUST A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. IT ISN'T JUST A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. THIS IS A PLACE WHERE NEIGHBORS STOP BY FOR A CUP OF COFFEE, WALK THEIR DOGS TOGETHER, CHECK IN ON THE NEW BABIES, LOOK IN ON THE ELDERLY, CELEBRATE ONE ANOTHER'S TRIUMPHS, SHARE IN LIFE STRUGGLES, AND GENERALLY JUST ENJOY EACH OTHER. WE ARE NOT A COMMUNITY OF STRANGERS, NOR DO WE WISH TO BE. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO PROTECT. OUR PRIMARY REASON FOR FIGHTING STILL ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL. WE ARE NOT AGAINST THEM. OVERALL, WE ARE AGAINST HAVING TOO MANY AND WE DO NOT WANT STRANGERS TO BUY UP PROPERTIES WHEN THE OWNERS ARE NOT A PART OF THE COMMUNITY. WE ARE STRIVING TO PROTECT OWNING A HOUSE AND RENTING IT OUT FOR STRANGERS TO ENJOY IS NOT CONTRIBUTING TO OUR COMMUNITY FEEL. IT IS INSTEAD CREATING THE OPPOSITE EFFECT. THANK YOU MA'AM. OKAY, NEXT UP IS MATT CORNWELL. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MATT CORNWALL. MY SON AND I OWN THE PROPERTY THAT IS THE 46 FOOT BACK. WE ARE NOT HOUSE FLIPPERS. MY SON INTENDS TO MAKE THAT HIS PERMANENT RESIDENCE. THE HOUSE WE BOUGHT IT IN. VERY YOU KNOW, BAD SHAPE. SO WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF OF OF GETTING IT LIVABLE. SO WE'VE PUT A ROOF ON IT, AND, AND SO WE'RE KIND OF YOU KNOW REFURBISHING THE HOUSE. SO OUR PLAN IS NOT TO FLIP THE HOUSE. WE PLAN TO BE THERE THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE THE SCENERY IS REALLY AWESOME. SO WE INTEND TO, YOU KNOW, KEEP THAT PROPERTY IN OUR FAMILY AS WELL. WHEN I WROTE MY LETTER OF SUPPORT BACK IN JANUARY BASICALLY, I LOOKED AT IT LIKE IF, IF THEY ARE GOING TO FOLLOW RULES THAT A STANDARD HOMEOWNER DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW THE RULES, AND THEY'RE HELD TO THAT STANDARD WITH CONSEQUENCES. IF THEY DON'T, THEN I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THEM RUNNING THE AIRBNB. IN THE SIX MONTHS SINCE I WROTE THAT LETTER. I EVEN BELIEVE MORE FIRMLY IN WHAT I WROTE BACK IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY, IN THAT THEY'VE EVEN TAKEN EXTRA STEPS TO ENSURE THAT THEY DO EVERYTHING THEY CAN TO MAKE THE PROPERTY USABLE, BUT NOT BE A NUISANCE TO THE NEIGHBORS. I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT DATA CENTERS. I FEEL LIKE WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT VOTING ON A DATA CENTER HERE. YOU KNOW, WE'RE VOTING ON A SHORT TERM PERMIT THAT HAS CONSEQUENCES IF SHE DOES NOT RUN HER BUSINESS THE WAY SHE'S PROVEN THROUGHOUT ALL OF HER OTHER PROPERTIES. TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THERE'S BEEN NO VIOLATIONS. I'VE HEARD SEVERAL NEIGHBORS OF THOSE PROPERTIES SPEAK ON HER BEHALF. OF THE WAY SHE RUNS THEM. SO I REITERATE MY LETTER THAT I SIGNED IN JANUARY. AND, YOU KNOW, I'M IN A SITUATION WHERE, AGAIN, WE WANT TO BE PART OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I DON'T WANT TO MAKE ANY ENEMIES BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BE A PART OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT I FEEL WITH WHAT SHE HAS PRESENTED AND EVEN THE THINGS THAT SHE'S GONE ABOVE AND BEYOND AND HER OUTREACH TO THE COMMUNITY, I FEEL LIKE SHE'S GOING TO DO WHAT SHE SAYS SHE'S GOING TO DO. SHE DOES. I FEEL SHE DESERVES A CHANCE. IF SHE DOESN'T FOLLOW THOSE RULES, SHE CAN LOSE HER PERMIT. CORRECT. SO I FEEL LIKE, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT VOTING ON A DATA CENTER HERE. SHE'S PROVEN HER TRACK RECORD GIVES HER SOME SOME, SOME LEVITY THERE. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP IS GARY MULLEN. [01:10:04] THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN. MY NAME IS GARY MULLEN FROM 537 BIFROST WAY IN LINDEN. OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS AND THE PRESIDENT OF THIS COUNTY AND COMMUNITY CORPORATION, OUR BOARD OF DIRECTORS HAVE DISAPPROVED THIS APPLICATION TWICE. AS IT VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'VE BEEN ASKED TO PROVIDE BY PLANNING TO PROSPECTIVE LANDLORDS. THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL, SUCCESSFUL IN RALLYING SUPPORT FROM BUSINESS ASSOCIATES, FRIENDS AND EMPLOYEES. BUT WITH ONE EXCEPTION, WHO IS AS OF YET A NON RESIDENT OF SCOTLAND ESTATES. SHE'S NOT PROVIDED ANY SUPPORT FROM HER NEIGHBORS ON LUCAS ROAD. THE 100 FOOT CLEARANCE WAS ESTABLISHED AS AN ORDINANCE LESS THAN TWO YEARS AGO. A COALITION OF SKYLAND ESTATES AND SEVERAL OTHER SUBDIVISIONS IN WARREN COUNTY GOT TOGETHER TO FIGHT TO ESTABLISH TO CODIFY THE 100 FOOT SEPARATION. BUT THERE'S NO POINT IN, IN AN ORDINANCE IF THEY'RE GOING TO BE WAVED ROUTINELY. WHEN ESPECIALLY WE COULD HAVE SUCH FAR REACHING REPERCUSSIONS IN THE FUTURE. NO OTHER ORDINANCES ARE DISREGARDED SO EASILY. OUR BOARD FEELS VERY STRONGLY THAT THE 46 FOOT CLEARANCE FROM OUR NEAREST NEIGHBOR IS FAR TOO CLOSE, AND WILL ESTABLISH A PRECEDENT THAT WILL BE USED AGAINST US IN YEARS TO COME. I'VE BEEN TO THESE MEETINGS FOR FOR YEARS, AND I'VE OCCASIONALLY HEARD THE EXPRESSION, WELL, WE'VE APPROVED IT BEFORE, SO, YOU KNOW, LET'S DO IT AGAIN. SCOTLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION IS CONTRACTED BY THE COUNTY TO PROVIDE SECURITY FOR OUR SUBDIVISION. AND WE GET THE COMPLAINT CALLS. AND BELIEVE ME, THEY DO OCCUR FROM SHORT TERM RENTALS. I APPRECIATE THE IDEA OF HAVING THE NEIGHBORS ACCESS TO A PHONE NUMBER, BUT THAT MAKES YOUR TURNING YOUR NEIGHBORS INTO YOUR POLICE FORCE TO, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S NOT FAIR. NOBODY WANTS TO BE THAT. WE'VE HEARD THE ARGUMENT THAT THE SHORT TERM RENTAL PERMITS COULD BE RESCINDED IF THEY'RE RECURRING PROBLEMS. LAST SUMMER, WE HAD A PROPERTY WITH NON DOCUMENTED COMPLAINTS FILED IN ONE SEASON WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, AND THE BOARD DECLINED TO RESCIND IT BECAUSE THE THEY SAID IT HAD NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. SO NOBODY WANTED TO BE THE FIRST TO RESCIND IT. SO AS A MATTER OF PRACTICAL KNOWLEDGE, I MEAN, YES, IT CAN BE DONE, BUT IT HAS NEVER BEEN DONE. NO. NO PERMITS HAVE BEEN RESCINDED. I UNDERSTAND THE COUNTY'S PRIORITIES RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD REMIND YOU THAT THE RENTERS DON'T VOTE. THE RESIDENTS DO. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR THE SIGN UP LIST, SIR. WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? GOOD EVENING. I LIVE AT 426 SUGAR MAPLE ROAD IN SHENANDOAH SHORES. AND I LIVED NEXT DOOR TO FIVE OF THESE AIRBNBS THAT ARE RUN AND MANAGED BY RICHARD AND JILLIAN. AND FOR ALL THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN THERE, I'VE NEVER, EVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH NOBODY. I HAVEN'T EVER SEEN A SHERIFF. I HAVEN'T SEEN NO ISSUES. I MEAN, I THINK THEY SHOULD BE GIVEN A CHANCE TO TAKE AND HAVE ANOTHER ONE. THANK YOU. HELLO, MY NAME IS GUSTAVO ROSALES. I RESIDE ON 311 GOLDEN RIVERSIDE DRIVE IN VIRGINIA. I HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST IN EITHER SIDE OF THE PARTY HERE, BUT I HAVE BEEN HERE THROUGHOUT SOME OF THE HEARINGS. I WAS HERE FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING WITH THEM PREVIOUSLY, AND I'M JUST STATING THAT I DO SUPPORT THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO GO BE GRANTED. THEY DID OUTLINE A VERY CLEAR MANAGEMENT PLAN. THEY DID PROVIDE THOSE MAGNETS WITH ALL EMERGENCY CONTACTS. IF I RECALL CORRECTLY, THEY ACTUALLY DID RALLY SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS ALONG THE PROPERTY THAT CAME TO THE MEETING. BACK IN WAS IN AUGUST, I BELIEVE. THERE WAS ABOUT 3 TO 5 NEIGHBORS THAT LIVE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. [01:15:03] ONE STATED THAT HE LIVED ACROSS THE STREET AND NONE OF THEM HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF ALSO, IT IS TRUE THAT THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS REFUSING TO SUPPORT THIS CUP IS RUNNING A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHIN. I THINK IT'LL ONLY BE FAIR THAT THE RULES AND REGULATIONS ARE APPLIED EQUALLY. THANK YOU. AARON MILLS, LIVE AT 1085 RIVERVIEW SHORES DRIVE AND SHENANDOAH SHORES COMMUNITY, AND I'VE OWNED MY PROPERTY FOR 23 YEARS, SO. SO I'M NOT A NEWCOMER. I LOVE FRONT ROYAL. I LOVE THE BEAUTY. THAT'S THAT'S IN THIS COMMUNITY. I'VE KNOWN JILLIAN AND RICHARD FOR THE PAST FIVE YEARS. I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF FOR THEIR PROPERTIES, AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OUT OF ANY OF THEIR GUESTS THAT THAT'S RENTED THEIR PROPERTIES. AS A MATTER OF FACT, THEY'VE MADE SO MANY THEIR THEIR IMPROVEMENTS OR THEIR PROPERTIES ARE SO GOOD THAT IT'S JUST AMAZING. THEY THEY'VE REALLY BEEN GREAT, GREAT FOLKS. THEY'RE REALLY GOOD FOLKS. AND I WOULD DEFINITELY I'M ON BOARD WITH WITH THIS. YOU KNOW, THE CUP THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO GET. AND I JUST HOPE YOU GUYS WOULD GIVE THEM A CHANCE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN AROUND THEM A LONG TIME. THEY'RE GREAT FOLKS. I HAVE NO COMPLAINTS AND I'M REALLY PARTICULAR ABOUT MY PROPERTY. I'M NOT JUST SENDING ONE. I TAKE CARE OF MY PROPERTIES. I HAVE ANOTHER PROPERTY IN BLUE RIDGE CHATEAUX. I TAKE CARE OF MY PROPERTIES REALLY WELL, AND WHAT THEY'VE DONE AND WHAT THEY CONTINUE TO DO IS, IS JUST GREAT. SO I'M ON BOARD WITH THAT. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. HELLO. MY NAME IS TIFFANY BRAUN. I RESIDE AT 161 ROMAN LANE. AND I'M THE PROUD OWNER OF CLEAN AND SERENE LLC, A CLEANING COMPANY BASED RIGHT HERE IN THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF RICHARD AND GILLIAN'S PROPOSED AIRBNB, WHICH I BELIEVE WILL BE A TREMENDOUS ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY. WHEN I FIRST MET GILLIAN, MY COMPANY HAD JUST FIVE EMPLOYEES. HER DECISION TO ENTRUST CLEAN AND SERENE WITH MAINTAINING HER AIRBNB PROPERTIES WAS PIVOTAL TO OUR GROWTH. THANKS TO HER CONSISTENT BUSINESS, WE'VE EXPANDED TO 15 EMPLOYEES AND NOW OPERATE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. THIS GROWTH HASN'T JUST BENEFITED MY COMPANY, IT'S CREATED LOCAL JOBS AND CONTRIBUTED TO OUR ECONOMY, A DIRECT RESULT OF WELL-MANAGED SHORT TERM RENTALS LIKE THOSE OPERATED BY GILLIAN AND RICHARD. WHAT SETS GILLIAN AND RICHARD APART IS THEIR EXCEPTIONAL PROFESSIONALISM. THEIR PROPERTIES ARE METICULOUSLY MAINTAINED, WITH PROMPT REPAIRS AND HIGH STANDARDS THAT ENHANCE THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS APPEAL. IN THE YEARS WE'VE SERVICED THEIR RENTALS, WE'VE NEVER RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ABOUT NOISE, PARTIES OR ANY DISRUPTIONS. INSTEAD, THEIR PROPERTIES UPLIFT TO THE COMMUNITY, REFLECTING THEIR COMMITMENT TO BEING RESPONSIBLE AND CONSIDERATE PROPERTY OWNERS. MOREOVER, JILLIAN AND RICHARD PARTNER WITH AIRBNB, A PLATFORM THAT RIGOROUSLY VETS GUESTS THROUGH BACKGROUND CHECKS, ENSURING ONLY RESPECTFUL VISITORS STAY IN THEIR HOMES. THIS PROCESS MINIMIZES RISK AND FOSTERS A SAFE, POSITIVE EXPERIENCE FOR BOTH GUESTS AND NEIGHBORS. THEIR PROPERTIES CONSISTENTLY EARN FIVE STAR RATINGS, A TESTAMENT TO THEIR DEDICATION TO QUALITY AND GUEST SATISFACTION. APPROVING THIS AIRBNB PROPOSAL MEANS MORE THAN JUST ADDING ANOTHER RENTAL TO OUR COMMUNITY. IT MEANS SUPPORTING LOCAL EMPLOYMENT, BOOSTING TOURISM REVENUE, AND WELCOMING PROPERTY OWNERS WHO PRIORITIZE NEIGHBORHOOD HARMONY. GILLIAN AND RICHARD'S TRACK RECORD PROVES THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE EXEMPLARY STEWARDS OF THEIR PROPERTIES, MAKING THEIR AIRBNB BE A WIN FOR SKYLINE ESTATES. I URGE YOU TO SUPPORT THIS PROPOSAL AND ALLOW JILLIAN AND RICHARD TO BRING THEIR PROVEN MODEL OF EXCELLENCE TO OUR COMMUNITY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? PLEASE COME FORWARD. YES, MA'AM. GO AHEAD. OKAY. [01:20:03] GOOD EVENING. JOSIE METCALF, 260 BROOK AND LEE DRIVE FOR VIRGINIA. MY NAME IS JOSIE. I WORK AT VALLEY HEALTH. MY HUSBAND IS A TRUCK DRIVER, AND WE OFTEN BOOK JILLIAN AND RICHARD'S AIRBNBS FOR QUIET GETAWAYS. WE APPRECIATE HAVING A PEACEFUL PLACE WITH A NICE VIEW WHERE WE CAN RELAX FROM CROWDS. WE ALWAYS MAKE SURE TO RESPECT THE HOST ROLES, AS WE VALUE BEING GOOD GUESTS AND NOT LOSE OUR PRIVILEGES TO USE THE PLATFORM. WE DECIDED TO COME TONIGHT BECAUSE WE FOUND IT A BIT UNFAIR THAT THERE'S A COMMON ASSUMPTION THAT ALL AIRBNB GUESTS ARE LOOKING TO HOST LOUD PARTIES. LIKE MANY OTHERS, WE SIMPLY DESIRE A PLACE TO DECOMPRESS AND ENJOY THE PEACE. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SANDY BROADWAY AND I LIVE AT 57 PEPPER COURT IN LINDEN, VIRGINIA. AND I AM ALSO ON THE SKYLAND ESTATES BOARD OF DIRECTORS. I'M THE SECRETARY, AND I DID NOT COME WITH A PREPARED STATEMENT. BUT AFTER LISTENING TO EVERYBODY TALK, I FELT LIKE I NEEDED TO SAY SOMETHING. I HAVE MET GILLIAN AND RICHARD, AND THEY'RE FINE FOLKS, AND I HAVE NO DOUBT THAT THEY ARE. PLEASE SILENCE THAT. PLEASE. I'M SORRY. I'VE. I'VE MET GILLIAN AND RICHARD. THEY'VE COME TO MANY OF OUR MEETINGS, AND THEY SEEM LIKE FINE FOLKS. AND I'M SURE THAT THEY DO A GREAT JOB TAKING CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES. BUT I THINK THE ISSUE AT HAND IS NOT HOW WELL THEY'LL TAKE CARE OF THEIR PROPERTIES. THE ISSUE AT HAND IS THE ORDINANCE THAT YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW, AND THAT'S THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE AS A BOARD. AND WE ALSO SUBMITTED OUR REGULATIONS OR OUR SUGGESTIONS FOR AIRBNBS. AND MANY TIMES WE SUGGEST THEM, BUT THEY JUST SEEM TO BE IGNORED. SO WE WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE THINK YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THE ORDINANCE THE WAY THAT'S WRITTEN, OR ELSE PLEASE CHANGE IT. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? RICHARD BUTCHER, 1423 GREYSTONE TERRACE IN WINCHESTER. WE PUT SO MUCH TIME, EFFORT AND MONEY INTO THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS. WE WOULD NEVER ALLOW THEM TO GET DESTROYED BY A GUEST, OR BETTER YET, CAUSE TROUBLE TO OUR NEIGHBORS WHO WOULD GET OUR PERMIT TAKEN AWAY. WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF BEING GOOD NEIGHBORS. IT WOULD NEVER INTENTIONALLY JEOPARDIZE OUR PERMIT OR CAUSE DISTURBANCES. AND LIKE MANY OF US HAVE SAID, OUR NEIGHBORS ARE 95FT AWAY AND SHE HAS HER OWN SHORT TERM RENTAL. SHE OBVIOUSLY HAS NO PROBLEM WITH THEM OR LIVING NEXT TO ONE WHICH IS 40FT FROM HER HOUSE ON THE SAME ROAD. SHE HAS THE EXACT SAME SETBACK VARIANCE WE ARE ASKING FOR TODAY THAT SHE WANTS US TO BE DENIED FOR THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION EVEN STATED THEY NEVER THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE USED. THIS RULE WOULD BE USED AGAINST SOMEONE ELSE TRYING TO GET THE SAME THING. WE BELIEVE THE 100 FOOT RULE WAS IN PLACE TO ENSURE FAIRNESS AND SHOULD NOT BE TO PREVENT COMPETITION. APPROVING OUR PERMIT WOULD ALIGN WITH THIS PRINCIPLE OF TREATING ALL APPLICANTS FAIRLY. WE ARE STILL OFFERING TO DO SCREENING. WE'VE REDUCED OUR OCCUPANCY TO FOUR PEOPLE AND MADE ALL THE CHANGES TO OUR MANAGEMENT PLAN TO MITIGATE THE CONCERNS OF OUR NEIGHBORS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING TWICE THREE TIMES. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. DO I HAVE A DO I HAVE A MOTION? I LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT. TWO YEARS AGO, THE BOARD HAD THIS DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SETBACK. AND AS A RESULT, I THINK THAT'S WHERE THIS COMMITTEE RESULTED AS A SOLUTION. YOU KNOW, SO I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I WAS ON THE BOARD. I KNOW YOU FOLKS ARE ARE NEW TO THE BOARD, YOU KNOW, AND AND OBVIOUSLY OUR SOLUTION DIDN'T WORK. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I, I'M IT IT'S WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS 100 FOOT AND EVEN BACK, [01:25:09] YOU KNOW, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW, I EVEN THREW OUT LET'S, YOU KNOW, ELIMINATE THE ORDINANCE. I MEAN, THE THE SETBACK, YOU KNOW, AND THEN, OF COURSE, I HAD MY, I, I SHARED MY IDEAS WITH THE PLANNING. WHAT IS THE CRITERIA? HOW DO WE GAUGE IT? YOU KNOW WE'RE STILL HAVING THE ISSUE. IT'S STILL COMING BACK. YOU KNOW. I THINK WE NEED TO BRING IT UP AGAIN WITH THE NEW MEMBERS, MAYBE HAVE SOME DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE COMING IN ON THIS. BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN TOLD AND, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S TRUE OR NOT, BUT THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WAS JUST A NUMBER THAT WAS PUT OUT IN THE ORDINANCE. IT WASN'T THAT I NOT KNOW. YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO GET PUT ANYTHING ON ANYBODY ON THE SPOT, BUT I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. HUNDREDS. THE 100 FOOT SETBACK WAS A RESULT OF ANY, YOU KNOW, ANALYSIS, IF YOU WILL, OF OR ASSESSMENT OR ANYTHING. IT WAS LIKE, OH, YOU KNOW, 100 FOOT. YOU KNOW, AND IF IT IS AFFECTING, YOU KNOW, GOOD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE AND PUTTING OUT THE AIRBNBS, YOU KNOW. I MEAN, MAYBE, YOU KNOW, THIS IS DIFFICULT WITH THIS ORDINANCE FOR ME BECAUSE I THAT'S WHAT I LOOK AT. THAT'S WHAT I FOLLOW. YEAH. SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT. AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE ON THE BOARD WANTS TO MAKE A COMMENT BEFORE WE MAKE A VOTE. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 2025 0403 FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. DO I HAVE A SECOND? NO. THE MOTION DIES. SO DO I. DO I HAVE A YOU NEED ANOTHER MOTION? YES. DO I HAVE A ANOTHER MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 2025 0403. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT THAT WE NEED TO TABLE THIS. THAT'S WHAT I WAS JUST GOING TO RECOMMEND. AND MAYBE. HAS TO WITHDRAW HER MOTION. OKAY, WELL, I'LL WITHDRAW THE MOTION. I'LL. I'LL WITHDRAW MY MOTION OF DENYING AND TABLING THIS AND GIVING US TIME AS THE BOARD TO CUT TO TO FIND A SOLUTION. THAT'S FAIR. ALL RIGHT. I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS. THERE'S THERE IS THE ISSUE OF THE ORDINANCE, THE WAY IT'S WRITTEN AND THE THE DIFFICULTY WITH VARIANCES. THERE'S ALSO SOME TEXT THAT I SAW ONCE WITH THE CUP THAT MENTIONS THAT THE WORDS FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE COMMUNITY. AND WHEN THERE'S A STRONG CONTINGENT IN THE COMMUNITY, IT REALLY GIVES ME PAUSE. SO I HAVE ISSUE OF OF A WAIVER OF A VARIANCE AND AN ISSUE OF THE PREPONDERANCE OF, OF THE PEOPLE WHO DO LIVE IN THE COMMUNITY. THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WEIGH ON ME. SO THIS IS LIKE A DOUBLE HEADER. AND I'M HAVING TROUBLE WITH THAT. I THINK WE SHOULD LOOK AT LOOK AT THIS AGAIN. YOU KNOW, BECAUSE ONE THING WITH CUPS, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND IT, IT FOLLOWS THE HOW. IT STAYS WITH THE PROPERTY SO THEY CAN SELL IT. AND SOMEBODY WILL COME, WILL COME IN. AND IN THIS THE CUP DOESN'T EXPIRE OR CHANGE OR ANYTHING, YOU KNOW. SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT BUT I AGAIN I WITHDRAW MY MY DENIAL AND ASKED IF WE COULD TABLE THIS. YOU KNOW, I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS.. COLLARS. THIS IS ONE. YOU KNOW, [01:30:05] IT'S I IF WE DO THIS, THEN WE NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS CONSISTENT. I LIKE THE GENTLEMAN'S SUGGESTION THAT WE USE A PERCENTAGE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE WE JUST DENIED ONE BECAUSE OF SETBACKS, AND NOW WE'RE STRUGGLING WITH THIS ONE, AND IT DOESN'T FEEL QUITE FAIR. SO I, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE DO THIS, I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE WITH, WITH AN ORDINANCE THAT'S GOING TO GO TO PUBLIC HEARING, CORRECT? YES. LIKE THIS. SO YES, I WANT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC FEEDBACK BECAUSE I, I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS FAIRLY ACROSS THE BOARD FOR EVERYONE. AND THIS THIS IS MY STRUGGLE TONIGHT. SO YES, I WANT TO HAVE IT LOOKED AT, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC INPUT AS WELL FOR THIS. IF I IF I COULD ADD I KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH WE'RE ON OUR THIRD MOTION NOW. I MEAN, WE JUST WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT, FROM MY UNDERSTANDING, SUPPOSED TO COMMENT ON ANY OF THESE IS TO YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE 3 OR 4 REASONS THAT WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO FOR, FOR LEGAL REASONS, SAY, WELL, I'M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST THIS FOR A REASON. A BECAUSE THAT WOULD CREATE A SITUATION. I DON'T THINK WE THIS IS THE RIGHT SPOT TO TALK THIS ABOUT. I THINK WE'VE GOT A MOTION AND A SECOND WE STARTED VOTING. MY POINT, MY MY POINT IS THAT WE JUST DENIED ONE. AND AND FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, I HAD A REASON FOR IT. AND I'M TRYING TO BE CONSISTENT NOW. YOU KNOW, IT'S IT'S NOT GOING TO BE POSSIBLE BECAUSE THE DIRECTION IS JUST, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE STRUGGLE I'M HAVING AS WELL. SO YEAH, BUT THE MOTION WAS TO, TO TABLE AND TO DO TO TO TO TA. TABLE IT AND AND WITH THE FOLLOW ON WORK SESSION TO TAKE A LOOK AT THIS. BECAUSE YOU'RE RIGHT. IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S IT WAS MENTIONED THAT YOU KNOW, WE EITHER WE EITHER FOLLOW THIS OR WE DON'T FOLLOW IT IN THIS HAVING A HAVING A VARIANCE IN THERE OR NOT A VARIANCE, BUT A A WAIVER. I TAKE A LOOK AT IT. WE NEED TO WE NEED TO READDRESS THIS. SO THE MOTION IS TO TABLE IT AND TO HAVE A WORK SESSION. SO, JOHN, HAVE A SECOND. SO YOU WORK IN THE MIDDLE OF ROLL CALL? MR. SANDMEIER, HI, MR. CHAIRMAN. HI, DOCTOR. JAMISON. NO, MRS. COOK. AYE. SO. AND MRS. CUTLER'S VOTED YES FOR THE TABLING, RIGHT? YES. OKAY, OKAY. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE [L. Public Hearing - CUP2025-02-02 - Campground - 1406, 1408, 1090, and (0) Panhandle Road, Identified on Tax Map 35 as Lots 5-1, 5-2, 5-3, 5B-1, and 10A - A request for a conditional use permit for a campground. The properties are located at 1406 Panhandle Road, (0) Panhandle Road, (0) Panhandle Road, 1408 Panhandle Road and 1090 Panhandle Road and are identified on tax map 35 as lots 5-1, 5-2, 5-3, 5B-1, and 10A. The properties are zoned Agricultural (A) and are located in the South River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1406 PANHANDLE ROAD ZERO, PANHANDLE ROAD ZERO, PANHANDLE ROAD 1408 PANHANDLE ROAD, AND 1090 PANHANDLE ROAD, AND ARE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 AS LOTS FIVE ONE, FIVE, TWO, FIVE, THREE, FIVE, B-1 AND TEN A. THE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND ARE LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CAMPGROUND FOR FIVE PARCELS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 132 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND, ACCESS BY PANHANDLE ROAD. THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO ESTABLISH A CAMPGROUND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RURAL EVENTS FACILITY TO HELP PROMOTE TOURISM, ENHANCE OUTDOOR RECREATION OPPORTUNITIES, SUPPORT LOCAL BUSINESSES AND TO PRESERVE THE NATURAL LANDSCAPE. WITH OVER 130 CONTIGUOUS ACRES OF LAND AND APPROXIMATELY 3000FT OF RIVER FRONTAGE ALONG THE SOUTH FORK OF THE SHENANDOAH RIVER. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING 100 PRIMITIVE TENTS AND RECREATIONAL VEHICLE CAMPING UNITS ALONG THE FLOODPLAIN AREA. THE OWNERS WILL MINIMIZE CONSTRUCTION OF PERMANENT STRUCTURES WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, BUT ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THAT AREA SHALL COMPLY WITH THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 16. THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, LOCATED ON 1406 AND 1408 PANHANDLE ROAD, WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON MARCH 16TH, 2021, FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND THE FOUR PARCELS. SO BASICALLY ALL THE PARCELS EXCEPT FOR LOT TEN INVOLVED IN THIS REQUEST WERE APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN 2022 FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR RURAL EVENTS FACILITY. [01:35:08] PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD ESTABLISHING THE RURAL EVENT FACILITY LAND USE ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES SINCE ITS APPROVAL IN 2022, AND IT WAS RECENTLY EXTENDED IN OCTOBER OF LAST YEAR TO GIVE THEM ADDITIONAL TIME TO ESTABLISH THAT LAND USE. AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH VDOT ON AN ENTRANCE PLAN. THEY HAVE SUBMITTED A REVISION TO THOSE PLANS TO VDOT, AND WE VDOT DIDN'T HAVE TIME TO PROVIDE A FORMAL REVIEW, BUT THEY COMMENTED SAYING THAT IS APPROACHING SOMETHING THAT WILL MEET THEIR STANDARDS, AND OBVIOUSLY THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE TO INSTALL THAT ENTRANCE AND FINISH UP WITH VDOT BEFORE THEY COULD GET STARTED. SO THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, OFFICE OF DRINKING WATER, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN, INCLUDING SUFFICIENT DETAIL FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, TO DETERMINE THAT THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR CAMPGROUNDS SET FORTH IN WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 41 WILL BE SATISFIED. THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL BE APPROVED FOR THE REQUIRED CAMPGROUND APPLICATION, ON SITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM, PERMIT APPLICATIONS, AND PUBLIC WATER SUPPLY PERMIT APPLICATIONS THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL OBTAIN A LAND USE PERMIT THROUGH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION FOR THE REQUIRED IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND. ALL REQUIRED ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS SHALL BE COMPLETED PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. NUMBER FIVE ANY DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA SHALL REQUIRE ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS, AND SHALL CONFORM WITH THE FLOODPLAIN OVERLAY DISTRICT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS SET FORTH IN WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180, DASH 16, NUMBER SIX. THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E-COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULT SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OR NUMBER SEVEN, THE MAXIMUM LENGTH OF STAY FOR CAMPGROUND GUESTS, SHALL NOT EXCEED 14 CONSECUTIVE DAYS IN DURATION. NUMBER EIGHT THE PARKING AREAS FOR CAMPGROUND GUESTS SHALL BE IN LOCATIONS APPROVED BY PLANNING STAFF DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW AND SHALL HAVE A DUST FREE SERVICE. NUMBER NINE ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2. NUMBER TEN, THE PARKING AREAS AND ENTRANCE TO THE CAMPGROUND SHALL MEET THE LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.1. NUMBER 11, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FIRE SAFETY PLAN, AND THE PLAN SHALL BE APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING COPY OF THE APPROVED FIRE SAFETY PLAN IN CHAPTER 123 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, WHICH IS THE NOISE ORDINANCE, SHALL BE POSTED AT EACH CAMPING UNIT. NUMBER 12. THE CAMPGROUND SHALL HAVE AT LEAST ONE FIRE EXTINGUISHER FOR EVERY FIVE CAMPING UNITS AVAILABLE FOR USE BY CAMPGROUND GUESTS. NUMBER 13 SIGNS SHALL BE POSTED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND PROMOTING LITTER CONTROL AND RECYCLING. TRASH RECEPTACLES SUFFICIENT TO ACCOMMODATE CAMPSITE TRASH SHALL BE PLACED THROUGHOUT THE CAMPGROUND AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. DOG WASTE RECEPTACLES SHALL BE STRATEGICALLY PLACED IN PROXIMITY TO WALKING PATHS AND COMMON AREAS, AND SHALL BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. IN NUMBER 14, PLANNING STAFF SHALL INSPECT THE CAMPGROUND TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION ONE, 80, DASH 41 AND ALL CONDITIONS PLACED ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT DOES HAVE A PRESENTATION. HE WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER WITH YOU ALL. HI, MY NAME IS CARL. I AND I OWN 1406 AND 14 PANHANDLE, AND WE JUST RECENTLY PURCHASED THE 1090 PANHANDLE. I GAVE THIS BRIEFING LAST MONTH TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT'S SHORT. I'LL LET YOU READ THE SLIDE THERE. THE ONLY THING I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HERE IS I WANT TO THANK CHASE AND MATT. THEY DID A GREAT JOB HELPING ME PREPARE FOR THIS. DON'T UNDERSTAND ALL THE REGULATIONS. I SPENT 23 YEARS IN THE ARMY AND WARREN COUNTY TOPS FOR REGULATIONS OVER THE UNITED STATES ARMY. I'LL TELL YOU WHAT. THERE ARE QUITE A FEW TO GET THROUGH, SO I APPRECIATE THEIR HELP. I WILL TELL YOU THAT THE OTHER THING I'M INTERESTED IN IS THAT ORIGINALLY STARTED 200 CAMPSITES WERE DOWN TO 100 CAMPSITES, NOT SO MUCH BECAUSE WE'RE GOING TO BUILD A HUNDRED CAMPSITES. IT'S BECAUSE IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE BASED ON GOING THROUGH VDOT, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, AND QUITE A FEW OTHER PLACES IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE TO DO THE PROPERTY. SO TO DO IT FOR TEN CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT JUST DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND I THINK I WROTE THAT TO YOU IN MY LETTER TO EACH ONE OF YOU THIS PAST WEEK. AS WE RESEARCHED THIS A LITTLE BIT, YOU'LL SEE THAT PICTURE UP THERE OF THE RVS. THERE'S NO DISTINCTION SOON. WITHIN THE COUNTY, THERE'S NO CLASS DISTINCTION ON THE RVS. SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO DRIVE IN RVS ON MY PROPERTY. I'M PUTTING THEM THERE MYSELF. THAT LITTLE CABIN ON THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER, TECHNICALLY, IS AN RV. [01:40:03] IT HOOKS UP TO A WATER SOURCE AND ELECTRIC SOURCE, JUST LIKE AN RV. YOU PULL IT IN AND OUT WITH A PICKUP TRUCK. I THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOKING LITTLE CABIN. IT'S CLOSER TO THE RIVER. SO I'M TELLING YOU, TELLING THE BOARD, TELLING THE PEOPLE BEHIND ME AT THIS POINT, IF I CAN GET THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, IF IT'S ON THE RIVER, I OWN IT. I DON'T WANT SOMEBODY JUST DRIVING IT OUT OF THEIR DISNEY PARKING AREA. WHEN YOU COME DOWN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO GO TO A PRIMITIVE SITE, YOU BRING YOUR BACKPACK, YOU'RE GOING TO COME DOWN AND USE ONE OF THOSE TINY HOMES OR THE GLAMPING PODS. THERE'S A DESIGNATED PARKING SPOT. I'LL SHOW YOU IN A SECOND WHERE THEY CAN PUT THEIR CAR, AND THEN THEY WALK OVER TO THE SITE THAT THEY THAT THEY RENTED. THAT'S WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE. POTENTIALLY THAT YELLOW BOX IS THE FIRST TEN THAT I CAN AFFORD TO DO. I CAN'T AFFORD TO DO 100 YET AND BUILD THEM UP AS TIME GOES ON. PEOPLE ASK ME WHY I'M DOING THIS. I'M 58. I HAVE AN EIGHT YEAR OLD. I THINK ONE DAY SHE'S GOING TO INHERIT THIS FROM ME. AND IF I GET TO 25 OR 30 BY THE TIME SHE GRADUATES FROM COLLEGE, I THINK I'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. BUT AGAIN, IN ORDER TO MEET VDOT REQUIREMENTS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT HEALTH REQUIREMENTS, IT MAKES NO SENSE FOR ME TO DROP THE KIND OF MONEY AND I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE IN A SECOND, HOW MUCH IT COSTS FOR ME TO GET JUST TEN OFF THE GROUND, LET ALONE 100. SO IF I DON'T HAVE THE OPTION TO GO THAT WAY, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. SO THAT'S WHAT THE PARK. YOU SEE THE RED AREAS, THE PARKING AREA, THE ENTRANCE IS THE LIGHT BLUE AND THE WEDDING VENUE IS THE GREEN DIAMOND. AND OF COURSE IT'S NOT THE SCALE, BUT THAT YELLOW BOX KIND OF SORT OF SORT OF SHOWS WHERE IT WOULD END UP. GATE IS IMPORTANT. THAT BIG YELLOW MARKER THERE. WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THE ACCESS ROAD. DIDN'T LOOK LIKE THAT WHEN I BOUGHT IT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. AND JAMES KIRK, ENGINEER, HE'S BEEN OUT THERE. INTERESTING THAT VDOT HAS QUITE A FEW REGULATIONS THERE, BUT THEY NEEDED ME TO HIRE AN ENGINEER. I PAID HIM A LOT OF MONEY. HE MADE SOME RECOMMENDATIONS. VDOT HAD THE ABILITY TO OVERRULE THOSE AND DID SO IN A COUPLE OF CASES. AND WE ARE COMPLYING. AS CHASE SAID TODAY, I CAN TELL YOU THAT THAT ENTRANCE THERE THAT THEY WANT WHAT THEY CARE TO DO BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO PLAN FOR 100 CAMPSITES. NOT THE ONES THAT I CAN AFFORD. IT'S ABOUT A $60,000 INVESTMENT TO MAKE THAT ENTRANCE HANDLE WHAT THEY BELIEVE WILL BE 100 DIFFERENT CAMPSITES. AGAIN, IF MY KIDS ATE A LOT OF TIME TO GRADUATE FROM COLLEGE, IF WE HAVE 20 OR 25 OUT THERE, IT'LL BE A LOT. BUT THAT'S THE KIND OF INVESTMENT I HAVE TO MAKE JUST TO GET IT IN THERE, LET ALONE THE WELL THAT I HAVE TO PUT IN AND SOME OF THE OTHER INFRASTRUCTURE HAS TO GO IN UNDERGROUND. IF I'M APPROVED FOR THIS PARTICULAR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THIS IS THE ONLY SLIDE THAT WASN'T ON THE LAST ONE. QUITE A FEW RUMORS OUT THERE ABOUT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. PEOPLE SAY IF HE GETS THE PERMIT, HE FLIPS. IT. MAKES A LOT OF MONEY. IT'S TOO LATE. PEOPLE KNOW I HAVE 131 ACRES. IT'S WORTH A LOT OF MONEY. I DON'T WANT TO SELL THE PROPERTY. I'M HERE BECAUSE I WANT TO CONTROL THE PROPERTY. CURRENTLY, I HAVE A HARD TIME CONTROLLING THE PROPERTY BASED ON WHO COMES OFF THAT RIVER. I LET ONE PERSON HUNT ON MY PROPERTY LAST YEAR. A FELLOW MILITARY MEMBER. I LET HIM OUT THERE, TEXT ME THAT DAY, AND HE GOES. WHO ELSE CAN HUNT OUT HERE? I SAID, NOBODY, JUST YOU. HE SAID, THERE'S SEVEN DEER BLINDS. I TEXTED THEM BACK AND SAID, YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO DUCK. I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S GOING ON. NOW, I'VE GOT CAMERAS ALL OVER DOWN THERE. THERE'LL BE ALL KINDS OF CRAZY PARTIES IF I DO THIS. IT'S TOO LATE FOR THAT, TOO. MY GAME CAMERAS ARE GOING OFF LIKE CRAZY. I'VE PHOTOGRAPHS OF PEOPLE AT 130 IN THE MORNING ON MY PROPERTY, RUNNING AROUND DOWN THERE, AND I CAN'T BELIEVE IT. I JUST CAN'T BELIEVE IT. NUMBER THREE IS. THE CONSTRUCTION WILL BE ENDLESS. THESE ARE TINY HOMES. GOT A CLEAR PAD FOR THEM. THAT'S IT. NO CONCRETE, NO GRAVEL. JUST CLEAR A PAD. PUT THEM DOWN THERE THEY GO. IN AND OUT WITH A PICKUP TRUCK. IT'S NOT CONSTRUCTION. IT'S NOT BASEMENTS. IT'S NOT ANY OF THAT. THE FOURTH ONE IS THE HOA IS NOT BEING INFORMED. THE PREVIOUS HOA PRESIDENT, JEAN GINA DYER AND HER HUSBAND MIKE. MIKE WAS THE PRESIDENT AND THEY CALLED ME ONE DAY AND SAID, HEY, HE WAS GETTING A LITTLE NERVOUS. WHY DON'T YOU SEND HIM SOMETHING? SO ON 1ST APRIL, I WROTE A LETTER AND SENT IT TO THEM. SINCE THAT TIME, THREE PEOPLE FROM THE HOA HAVE PERSONALLY CONTACTED ME. I'VE SPOKEN TO OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE IN THE HOA, BUT THEY PERSONALLY CONTACTED ME AND I'VE ANSWERED ALL THEIR QUESTIONS TO INCLUDE BILL TALBOTT, CONCERNED ABOUT FIRE PREVENTION. I'M BRINGING MY NEPHEW IN. HE'S A LIEUTENANT ON THE NEW HAVEN FIRE DEPARTMENT. I'M ORIGINALLY FROM CONNECTICUT. TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SOLID FIRE PLAN BECAUSE I LISTEN TO MY NEIGHBORS, SO I'M TALKING TO THEM. LAST THING KIND OF IMPORTANT TO ME IS I SERVED IN THE MILITARY, RETIRED AT THE PENTAGON, SPENT QUITE A BIT OF TIME IN FAIRFAX COUNTY. NOBODY FROM FAIRFAX COUNTY OR WASHINGTON, D.C. HAS WORK ON THIS PROPERTY. THAT LIST OF NAMES YOU'LL FIND TO BE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. I'M HIRING LOCAL. I'M PAYING LOCAL. MY CLEANING PEOPLE ARE LOCAL. THE PEOPLE WATCH MY PROPERTY LOCAL, SO I'M NOT GOING OUTSIDE OF IT. I'M TAKING MY MONEY, PUTTING INTO THIS COMMUNITY TO MAKE THIS WORK. AND AGAIN, I WANT TO MAKE A BUCK. THERE'S NO QUESTION ABOUT IT. I'M NOT GOING TO DENY IT. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, HAVING ROOM DOWN ON THAT RIVER WHERE I'VE GOT CLEANING PEOPLE GOING DOWN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGERS, ETC.. GOOD ACCESS TO GET THAT DOWN THERE WITH THAT GATE. IT GIVES ME BETTER EYES ON NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, IT PROTECTS MY PROPERTY A LITTLE BETTER. MY WIFE IS HERE. [01:45:06] I'M NOT GOING TO ASK HER BECAUSE SHE HELPED ME WITH THE BRIEFING. SO I THINK I GOT MOST OF IT RIGHT. BUT AT THE END OF MY BRIEFING I WANT THE PERMIT. PLEASE GIVE IT TO ME. THANKS. I'LL MAKE ONE QUICK COMMENT TODAY JUST BECAUSE I LIKE THIS COUNTY. I HAD PROPERTY IN LORAIN. I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES HERE THIS EVENING. IT KIND OF BOTHERED ME A LITTLE BIT, BUT IN THE TOWN OF LA, I DON'T THINK YOU MAY KNOW THIS OR NOT, BUT THEY HAVE SHORT TERM RENTALS ALL OVER THE PLACE. BUT THE CITY, THE TOWN OF LA PUT A MORATORIUM ON THEM. SAID NO MORE LARRY IN BIGGERPOCKETS, WHICH IS A REAL ESTATE INVESTMENT WEBSITE THAT'S QUITE POPULAR. THE PHRASE NUMBER SIX IN THE COUNTRY FOR RECESSION PROOF SHORT TERM RENTAL. THEY JUST STOPPED PUTTING IN THE CITY SHORT TERM RENTAL LICENSES. YOU GUYS GOT QUITE A THING GOING ON HERE. WE ALL DO. I HOPE WE CAN GET THIS ALL TOGETHER AND GET IT STRAIGHT, BECAUSE I'M ABOUT CONTROL WITH THIS PLAN. I'M NOT ABOUT BLOWING IT UP. PUTTING IT OUT THERE, TAKING CARE OF MAKING A LOT OF MONEY. WE'RE DOING FINE. WE'RE RIGHT NOW. WE CAN MAKE A LITTLE BIT MORE, AND WE WANT TO CONTROL OUR PROPERTY. THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT. COMING TO YOU. YOU KNOW I'M THERE. COPS KNOW THEM THERE. I'M REGISTERED WITH YOU ALL. SO THAT'S IT. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THE BOARD. I HAVE SEVERAL. DID YOU SAY YOU HAVE? DID YOU SAY YOU HAVE SEVERAL MEN? SEVERAL? YES. I WENT BY AND I DID SEE THE THE ENTRANCE. AND I'VE SEEN THE VDOT NOTES IN HERE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE ENTRANCE IS STILL UP IN THE AIR AS TO WHAT THAT'S GOING TO BE HOW WIDE IT'S GOING TO BE AND THAT KIND OF THING. I'M ASSUMING IT'S GOT TO BE A LITTLE WIDER THAN WHAT IT IS NOW, EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT ALLOWING RVS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME IN. SO IS IT GOING TO STAY GRAVEL? WELL, I'VE PEACH ORCHARD STANDS THERE NOW OR IS THAT GOING TO BE UPGRADED TO A MORE SOLID BASE? THE WEDDING VENUE PERMIT THAT I RECEIVED TWO YEARS AGO FROM THIS BOARD COMPELS ME TO PUT A GRAVEL 30 BY 30 ENTRANCE IN THERE. THAT WILL HAPPEN ONCE I GET APPROVAL. I'M NOT GOING TO SPEND ANY MONEY UNTIL I KNOW I CAN DO IT. AND THAT'S NOT A THREAT. THAT'S JUST IT'S NOT SMART FOR ME TO GO SPEND $60,000 AND YOU GO, WELL, SORRY, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT. SO, YEAH, IT'S GOT TO BE GRAVEL FOR THE WEDDING VENUE. PART OF IT. IT'S GOT TO BE 50FT RADIUS, SO BE A LITTLE MORE CLEARING. I'M NOT CRAZY ABOUT CLEARING ALL THE TREES THEY WANT ME TO CLEAR, BUT BECAUSE THIS IS JUST A STATEMENT OF FACT, I'M NOT UPSET ABOUT THIS. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF GUIDANCE FROM THE COUNTY PER SE, OTHER THAN WHAT JASON MATT SHARED WITH ME ON WHAT HOW MANY CARS CAN COME IN OUT OF THERE, ETC. BASED ON WHAT WE'RE DOING, IT'S EITHER FIVE CAMPSITES OR 100. THERE'S NO. SO STACY AND VDOT ARE GOING WELL, 100 CAMPSITES MEANS THERE'S 200 PEOPLE. WHETHER YOU CAN AFFORD TO PUT THEM UP THERE OR NOT. CARL. THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS. SO THEY REALLY GO THEIR PLANS ON STEROIDS, IF YOU WILL. FOR LACK, BETTER PUT IT FOR THAT ENTRANCE AND COST ME MONEY TO DO IT. SO AGAIN, I CAN'T DO IT TILL I GET A PERMIT. BUT THE POINT IS. YES, MA'AM, IT'S GOING TO BE A LITTLE WIDER. I'M GOING TO TAKE DOWN SOME TREES, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANT TO DO. AND YEAH, IT'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT. I HAVE TO PUT A MANHOLE IN THERE. THAT'S HOW BIG A DEAL IT IS, BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A 24 INCH CULVERT COMING ACROSS HERE ON THE ROAD. AND EVEN THOUGH IT FLOODS ALL THE TIME RIGHT NOW, AND I LIVE THERE AND THEY LIVE THERE, NO ONE OUT THERE PAYING FOR IT. VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS NOT COMING IN TO FIX OUR ROADS. SO LOOK AT ME. I MEAN, MAYBE I SHOULD RUN FOR MAYOR BECAUSE I WANT TO FIX THE ROAD. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, I IT'S FRUSTRATING. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. NOT ON YOU GUYS. JUST ON. WHEN I HIRED THE ENGINEER WHO WENT TO SCHOOL FOR THIS. AND THEN HE GOT TRUMPED BY THE VDOT. STACEY'S BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE. SO IT'S NOT ON HIM. IT'S JUST THE WAY THE REGULATIONS ARE WRITTEN. NO, NO. AND I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE TO WORK TO TRY TO GET MONEY TO IMPROVE THAT ROAD. SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IF YOU CAN GET THE IF YOU CAN GET THE FEDEX GUY TO SLOW DOWN, HE GOES A LITTLE FAST, IF YOU ASK ME. SO IF YOU COULD TALK TO HIM, I'D APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. YEAH. JUST THROWING OUT QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT TO ME AS WELL. I THINK I CUT MYSELF OFF THERE. BATHROOM FACILITIES. I KNOW THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PUT HOW MANY SITES YOU COULD HAVE ON AN ACRE, AND THAT HAD TO INCLUDE BATHROOM FACILITIES. BUT I DIDN'T SEE WHERE YOU PLAN TO PUT BATHROOM FACILITIES. HOW MANY? WHAT TYPE OF FACILITIES? YOU SAY THIS IS PRIMITIVE. SO. IS THIS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, JOHNNY BLUES OR IS THIS GOING TO BE A REGULAR COMMODES, FLUSH SHOWERS AND THAT KIND OF THING? YEAH. I THINK THE INTERESTING PART ABOUT YOUR QUESTION THERE IS THAT THIS WHEN YOU LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE GLAMPING PODS IN THAT TINY HOME, THE PEOPLE SELL THEM. IF THEY'RE NOT IN VIRGINIA, THEY'RE LIKE, OH YEAH, YOU JUST GET THE BLADDER AND THEY COME PUMP THE BLADDER. NO, [01:50:03] YOU KNOW, NOT VIRGINIA LIKE I PUT IT IN THE GROUND. I HAVE A ALREADY A DESIGNATED SPOT OUT THERE THAT'S BEEN APPROVED BEFORE JOHN LAM LEFT HIS PRIVATE BUSINESS AND WENT TO WORK FOR SHENANDOAH COUNTY. HE DID THE ENTIRE SEPTIC FIELD FOR ME OUT THERE. IT IS MARKED IN. IT'LL HANDLE TEN BEDROOMS. ONE OF THE PEOPLE YOU CAN'T READ THE NAME ON THERE. MURDOCK'S THE SEPTIC ENGINEER. HE'S BEEN OUT THERE. HE'S SHOWING ME HOW TO MAKE IT INTO TEN. THAT'S WHY I'M AT TEN. THAT'S GOING TO COST ME A LOT OF MONEY PUT IN. SO EVERY TEN I GOT TO PUT IN A NEW SEPTIC FIELD. SO RIGHT NOW I'VE GOT ENOUGH MONEY TO PUT IN ONE. IT'S KIND OF SORT OF IN THAT YELLOW MARK AREA. I COULD SHOW IT TO YOU IF YOU WERE OUT IN THE PROPERTY WITH ME, BUT IT'S ALREADY DONE. IT'S ALREADY APPROVED. IT'S ALREADY IN. OKAY. NOW I HAVE NOT PUT IT IN THE GROUND. THE SEPTIC FIELD IS THERE AND IT'S MARKED AND IT'S BEEN APPROVED BY AN ENGINEER AGAIN, A LOCAL ENGINEER. OKAY. ARE THOSE GOING TO BE THE REGULAR TYPE? THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE A SHOWER AND A TOILET AND SECURITY FIELDS. ARE THEY GOING TO BE REGULAR OR THE NEW FILTRATION SYSTEMS? BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'LL KNOW THEY'RE OFFSETTING THE REGULAR IN THE GROUND. TRADITIONAL. NOT WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? ALTERNATIVE. THEY'RE NOT ALTERNATIVE. BUT WHAT THE WHAT MURDOCH TOLD ME AGAIN, MURDOCH SAID TO ME, LOOK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE IN THERE SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. SO PRIMARILY THE WEEKENDS. THE OFFSETTING OF THIS ALLOWS YOU TO HAVE TEN UNITS PER THAT SIZE SEPTIC FIELD. SO WHEN I WANT TEN MORE, I GOT TO GO SPEND ANOTHER $40,000 ON A SEPTIC FIELD. SO AND THE AND THE GROUND PERKS FOR THAT. I'M A LITTLE BIT SURPRISED THAT IT WORKED THAT WELL. IT'S KIND OF HARD TO GET THINGS TO PERK SOMETIMES AROUND HERE. SO THAT'S BATHROOM AND. WELL, YOU REALIZE THAT YOU KNOW, THIS, BUT I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SINCE THE THERE WAS A CAMPGROUND THERE BEFORE. IT DIDN'T HAVE ALL THE STUFF. PEOPLE CAMPED THERE ALL THE TIME. THE PREVIOUS OWNER BEFORE ME ALLOWED THEM TO BRING THEIR RVS, ETC., NOT PUTTING HIM DOWN. HE DID IT FOR THEM. EXPERIENCE THE ATMOSPHERE. BUT I MEAN, I'M NOT GOING TO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT HAVING ANOTHER WOODSTOCK OUT THERE. I'M TRYING TO CONTROL THAT. NO. AND BUT THESE ARE THINGS THAT NOT ONLY HAVE I BEEN ASKED BY THE COMMUNITY, BUT I DIDN'T SEE IT SAID BATHROOM FACILITIES, BUT IT DIDN'T ELABORATE. AND IT'S NOT ON YOUR THE SCHEME WHERE ALL THE LITTLE X'S AND THINGS WERE. SO THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING. OKAY. AND BEING SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH I WAS ALSO ASKING BECAUSE I KNOW THERE'S A LARGE AREA THERE THAT STAYS DAMP A LOT. SO THAT WAS ANOTHER THING. I WAS JUST ASKING WHERE YOU SAY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW. THEY'RE GOING TO PARK IN. I THINK IT'S IS IT THE RED AREA? NOW THAT'S THERE. IS THAT YOUR ENTRANCE? I'M TRYING TO GO BACKWARDS. YEAH, BECAUSE I HAVE A PICTURE OF IT. AND NOW I SCREWED THIS UP, CHASE, BECAUSE I'M NOT AN IT PROFESSIONAL, BUT. ONE OF THOSE SLIDES, THE ONE ABOVE IT SHOWS. I WAS GOING TO SAY, I DON'T REMEMBER WHICH WAS THE YELLOW. AND WHEN THE BEFORE BEFORE I BREAK THIS THING. WE GO. ON HERE. BUT. THAT ONE. SO. YES. ENTRANCE IS LIGHT BLUE. PARKING AREA IS RED. THAT'S CURRENTLY A CATTLE FENCE AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE GATED. SO YOU GOT TO DRIVE YOUR CAR IN AND YOU CAN'T DRIVE IT OUT. I DON'T WANT CARS DRIVING DOWN THERE. THAT LIGHT GREEN AREA THAT'S FLOODPLAIN. NOTHING IN THERE. THE DIAMOND FOR THE WEDDING VENUE IS KIND OF OUT OF PLACE BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A FLOODPLAIN, BUT IT'S KIND OF IT'S OFF OF IT. SO THAT'S FURTHER UP THE HILL. IT'S ON THE HILL. OKAY. AND THEN WHERE I'M GOING TO PUT THE BATHROOM FACILITIES SIMILAR TO THE PARK MODEL CABIN I JUST SHOWED YOU. THEY MAKE THOSE LIKE THAT ON TRAILERS TO PUT OUT THERE. THAT'LL HOOK INTO THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHICH IS JUST TO MY LEFT OF THAT GREEN DIAMOND. AND I REMARKED, BECAUSE THAT WAS MY OTHER CONCERN THAT AND HOPEFULLY BUT AFTER THIS WEEK OF SINCE THURSDAY, WE'VE GOTTEN LIKE TEN INCHES OF RAIN UP HERE. AND I'M HOPING A HURRICANE DOES COME ANYTIME SOON AND GRAHAM CAN'T TAKE IT. BUT THAT WAS MY OTHER CONCERN BECAUSE THAT ALL WILL FLOOD. AND IF THERE WERE PERMANENT BATHROOMS WHERE YOU COULDN'T MOVE THEM, THAT WOULD BE A CONCERN. AND I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT OF THE HISTORY. YEAH. EVERYBODY HAD THE LITTLE CABIN WITH THE MOON ON THE DOOR TO GO TO THE BATHROOM ALONG THERE, SO I'M GLAD IT'S NOT GOING TO BE ANY OF THOSE AS WELL. BUT LET'S SEE. THE OTHER WAS ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING THEIR OWN TRASH OUT? YOU KNOW, MY MY CLEANING. I HAVE A GOOD CLEANING TEAM. MATTER OF FACT, THE WOMAN I WORK WITH IS SHE WORKS ACROSS THE STREET AT THE ACROSS THE RIVER AT THE AT THE NATIONAL PARK. AND SHE HANDLES MY TRASH FOR ME PRETTY WELL. SO HOW AM I GOING TO DO THE TRASH? THE THE WAY I DO IT NOW IS WE HAVE BIG RECEPTACLES AND WE TAKE THE CLEANING PERSON, LIKE IF YOU STAY THERE, YOU PUT THE RECEPTACLE, THE CLEANING PERSON TAKES IT AWAY, GOES UP TO THE COUNTY DUMP, HAS THE PASS. I PAY FOR IT. I'M GOING TO DO THE SAME THING DOWN THERE. IF YOU ASK ME, I'M GOING TO DO 100. [01:55:04] GET BACK TO ME IN 25 YEARS. I'LL FIGURE THAT ONE OUT. BUT RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO DO IT THE SAME WAY I DO IT WITH THE WITH THAT PROPERTY YOU SEE RIGHT THERE, THE HOUSE WE THAT THAT SLEEPS A LOT OF PEOPLE, WE GENERATE A LOT OF TRASH. SO SHE TAKES IT OUT AND SHE HAS A CREW, AND THEY COME IN THE TRUCK. WHEN THEY'RE CLEANING, THEY THROW IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND GET IT OUT OF THERE. OKAY. AND BUT THE RECEPTACLES ON ON THERE. SO WHEN YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE A PLACE TO PUT IT, IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE IN A PLASTIC BAG SO SOME BEAR CAN COME RIP IT OPEN, THERE'LL BE SOMETHING THERE TO SECURE. ARE YOU TALKING THE THE PRIMITIVE SITES ALONG OR THE GLAMPING ONES? I'M TALKING ALL TEN. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TRASH ON MY RIVERFRONT. I HAVE TO TELL YOU, I IT DISTURBED ME GREATLY IF CHRIS WEILER, WHOSE NEIGHBOR NEXT DOOR. HE CALLED ME ONE DAY AND HE STARTED TELLING ME AND I SAID, YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL ME ANYMORE. I'VE SEEN IT ALREADY. I MEAN, I'VE PULLED 4/10 OUT OF THE RIVER ON MY PROPERTY. I HAVE NO IDEA WHO WAS IN THERE. AND THEY'RE JUST FLOATING AWAY, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, WHAT'S GOING ON? LET'S SEE. AND SECURITY. CAN YOU WALK ME THROUGH HOW DO YOU GO ONLINE AND PAY AND THEN GO THERE AND EVERYTHING IS ONLINE THAT TELLS YOU WHERE TO GO, WHAT TO DO AND ALL THAT? OR ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE SOMEONE THERE THAT IS THERE FOR SECURITY AND FOR QUESTIONS AND GUIDANCE? I'VE EMPHASIZED THE GATOR A COUPLE TIMES IN THE BRIEFING? BECAUSE I'M GOING TO CONTROL WHO GETS IN AND OUT OF THERE ON THAT GATE. YOU CAN'T GET IN THERE WITHOUT GETTING THE CODE TO GET THE GATE. CURRENTLY, WE HAVE CODES TO GET INTO THE HOUSE. WE KNOCK ON WOOD AND I'M BRAGGING ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT. 2022 I THINK I'VE SENT IT TO YOU. WE WERE THE NUMBER SEVEN MOST SOUGHT AFTER VACATION RENTAL IN IN IN ALL OF WASHINGTON, DC AND NORTHERN VIRGINIA. VERY PROUD OF THAT. THE WASHINGTONIAN MAGAZINE HAD THAT PROPERTY RIGHT THERE. WE'VE HAD NO INCIDENTS WITH POLICE AT ALL, BUT I AM CONCERNED ABOUT THE GATE AS YOU ARE. THAT'S WHY IT'S NOT JUST GOING TO BE, HEY, THIS IS A GATE WITH A CHAIN ON IT. THERE'S GOING TO BE A LEGITIMATE GATE, LIKE ACROSS THE WAY. YOU CAN'T DRIVE THROUGH THERE UNLESS YOU CAN OPEN THAT GATE UP PHYSICALLY TO GET IN THERE. I DON'T WANT PEOPLE DOWN THERE, SO THAT'S HOW I HANDLE THAT. AND THEN CAMERAS. I SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON GAME CAMERAS, LET ME TELL YOU. YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE LITTLE CELL PHONES. BUT WE HAVE WE'VE GOT A LOT OF VIDEO. OKAY. I THINK I MADE A JOKE WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION. LAST TIME I SAID, SOME PEOPLE WAKE UP AT THREE IN THE MORNING AND THEY'RE WATCHING REPEATS OF SPECIAL VICTIMS UNIT. MY WIFE AND I WAKE UP AND WE WATCH OUR GAME CAMERA GOING, WHAT THE HELL IS THAT? I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE AT THIS POINT. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH. I WANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE IDEA OF THE OF OF THE KNOW ON SITE STAFFING ARE. ARE YOU AWARE OF ANY COMPARABLE LIKE SIZE OF CAMPGROUND THAT'S JUST NOT MANNED? I MEAN, THE SORT OF SELF-SERVE AND SELF-GOVERNING. THAT'S A THAT'S ONE OF THE PRIMITIVE ONES OVER IN PAGE COUNTY. THE PRIMITIVE ONES ARE NOT MANNED. NONE OF THEM. THEY JUST GET A CODE. THEY GO IN AND SET UP THEIR STUFF. I MEAN, THEY'RE PAYING $40 A NIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN GET SOMEBODY OUT THERE FOR, YOU KNOW, $10 A NIGHT TO WATCH IT. AND I'M NOT BEING FACETIOUS. I DID A LITTLE WE DID A BUSINESS PLAN ON THAT AND IT JUST MINIMUM WAGE ETC. IS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE. SO THE CAMERAS HAVE TO DO IT AND WE WATCH THEM. I MEAN, AGAIN, WE'VE BEEN VERY FORTUNATE WE HAVE NOT HAD AN INCIDENT OUT THERE IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN OUT THERE, AND ONE OF THE CABINS THAT WE HAVE OUT THERE IS PRETTY PRIMITIVE. CURRENTLY. THE MRS CALLERS ASK MOST OF THE QUESTIONS THAT I HAVE RECEIVED, AND I THINK AND I'M NOT BEING. I'M THINKING YOU MIGHT BE FAMILIAR WITH BLINK. I MEAN, WE WE GET ALERTED EVERY TIME SOMEBODY COMES UP ANYWHERE NEAR US. I MEAN, AS A MATTER OF FACT, WE HAVE LIKE, BUGS FLY IN FRONT OF THE CAMERA, WHICH IS LIKE, OH MY GOSH, I THINK IT GOES OFF LIKE THERE'S NO TOMORROW. BUT WE'RE WATCHING SO. AND MORE THAN ONE PERSON'S WATCHING OUR CAMERAS. QUESTION DID I THAT MADE ME THINK OF I KNOW YOU OWN THE HOUSE UP AT THE TOP OF THE HILL, BUT ARE YOU CURRENTLY LIVING HERE ALL THE TIME? BECAUSE I THOUGHT YOU LIVED. AND I LIVE IN OHIO. OKAY. I FLEW BACK HERE TO THIS MEETING. MY WIFE WORKS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WE'RE HERE ALL THE TIME. I MEAN, WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, THEY ALLOWED PEOPLE TO TELECOMMUTE. NOW WE'RE BACK IN. SO WE'RE HERE ALL THE TIME. SO YES, I DO NOT LIVE. AND I NEVER LIVED IN BENTONVILLE. I NEVER LIVED IN LA. I ALWAYS LIVED IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, NOW OHIO. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? I. WOULD HAVE. IS ANYBODY SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. TONY. ZERO. GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TONIGHT. MY NAME IS TONY. I LIVE IN HOMESTEAD PLACE IN SPRINGFIELD, VIRGINIA. I OWN THE TWO UNIMPROVED PARCELS ALMOST DIRECTLY NEXT TO MR. [02:00:03] I'S PROPERTY THERE. I'VE OWNED THOSE THOSE PARCELS FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS NOW. IN ADDITION, I'VE BEEN RECREATING ON THE SHENANDOAH ON THE ON THE RIVER HERE. LITERALLY TUBING, CANOEING AND KAYAKING BY THE BEND IN THE RIVER THAT I BOUGHT AND MR. I'S PROPERTY FOR AT LEAST 20 YEARS NOW WITH MY WIFE. I KNOW THE AREA INTIMATELY. LIVE IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, JUST LIKE MR. II FROM OUT OF TOWN. I DROVE DOWN AFTER WORKING TEN HOURS THIS MORNING TO SPEAK TO YOU ALL. AND I GET TO. I GET TO GO BACK HOME. I GET TO WORK TEN HOURS TOMORROW MORNING AS WELL. SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ME. I DO NOT HAVE A PROPERTY, A AN IMPROVED PARCEL YET. I HOPE TO BUILD THERE ONE DAY. I HAVE CONCERNS WHEN I BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY EIGHT YEARS AGO. ANDY GUEST STATE PARK IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE RIVER. THE GW NATIONAL FOREST IS DIRECTLY BEHIND ME. I NEVER, EVER THOUGHT THAT THE NEIGHBORS 600FT FROM ME COULD POSSIBLY PUT IN A 100 PLUS SITE CAMPGROUND. I AM NOT OPPOSED TO MR.. I OR HIS FAMILY. DON'T KNOW HIM. NEVER MET HIM. HONESTLY, I DON'T WANT ANYTHING THERE. I BELIEVE IF THE BOARD APPROVES THAT THEY'RE ESSENTIALLY APPROVING A 100 SITE SUBDIVISION, THERE COULD BE PEOPLE GOING IN AND OUT OF THERE ALL THE TIME, ANY TIME OF THE DAY AND NIGHT. I'M SURE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO BE THERE. BUT YOU'RE APPROVING A 100 UP TO A 100 UNIT SUBDIVISION IF YOU APPROVE 100 UNITS ON THAT SITE. I DON'T CARE IF MR.. I WANTS TO START WITH FIVE OR 10 OR 20 OR 50 OR 100. THAT DOESN'T MATTER TO ME. IF YOU APPROVE 100, HE CAN PUT 100 IN AT ANY TIME IN THE FUTURE. I DON'T WANT IT THERE AT ALL. I HAVE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD. AS MANY OF YOU MAY KNOW, THAT ROAD WAS A GRAVEL ROAD ONLY UNTIL ABOUT 4 OR 5 YEARS AGO WHEN THEY WHEN THEY CHIP AND TARRED BASICALLY UP TO THE PROPERTY. IT IS ALL GRAVEL FROM THIS END OF THE PROPERTY, GOING ALL THE WAY BACK, ALL THE WAY BACK NORTH TOWARDS FRONT ROYAL. IT IS STILL GRAVEL. IT IS NARROW. IT IS TREACHEROUS. AND CARS SHOULD NOT BE GOING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THERE MULTIPLE TIMES, EVEN THE AREA THAT YOU DID IMPROVE. AND IT'S MUCH APPRECIATED BY ME AND MY NEIGHBORS BECAUSE THE DUST IS DOWN. IT'S STILL A NARROW ROAD, IT'S STILL A COUNTRY ROAD. AND ALL OF THESE CARS COMING IN AND OUT ALL DAY LONG MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. IT'S JUST GOING TO CREATE TOO MUCH TRAFFIC, I THINK, FOR THE AREA AS WELL. I ALSO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT NOISE AT NIGHT, ESPECIALLY WHERE HE HAS HIS PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW THAT IS DIRECTLY NEXT TO MY NEIGHBORS, AND I'M ONLY 200FT AWAY FROM THAT. WHAT'S TO KEEP ALL THE DOORS OPENING AND SHUTTING AT ALL HOURS OF NIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS IF SOMEBODY'S ALARM GOES OFF? I WOULD MUCH PREFER THE PARKING LOT TO BE SIGNIFICANTLY FARTHER AWAY IF IT'S EVEN APPROVED. BUT I WOULD HOPE, SINCERELY THAT YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS PERMIT. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR THE SIGN UP SHEET, SIR. WOULD ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? THANKFULLY. NO. HI, MY NAME IS MARSHA POTTER AND I LIVE AT 85 RIVER OAK, AND I'M NOT A PUBLIC SPEAKER, SO I'M GOING TO READ THIS. I ACTUALLY SENT ALL OF YOU EMAILS. I AM OPPOSED TO THIS CAMPGROUND. THE AREAS ARE ALREADY STRUGGLING WITH LITTER, ILLEGAL DUMPING, AND ENVIRONMENTAL STRESS. ALLOWING A HIGH IMPACT PROJECT LIKE THIS TO MOVE IN WILL ONLY ACCELERATE THE DAMAGE. MY FAMILY HAS LIVED OFF PANHANDLE ON RIVER OAK SINCE 1999. MY FATHER BOUGHT THE PROPERTY. HE BUILT THE HOUSE IN 2000. IT'S MORE THAN JUST A PROPERTY. IT'S MORE THAN JUST A HOUSE. IT'S MY HOME. IT'S OUR LEGACY. IT'S A QUIET CORNER AND A BEAUTIFUL PLACE. THE CAMPGROUND AND THE EVENT FACILITY WOULD IRREVERSIBLY DAMAGE THE PEACEFUL CHARACTER OF OUR COMMUNITY. OUR ROAD IS ALREADY NARROW, STRAINED AND DANGEROUS. WHEN TRAFFIC INCREASES. ADDING HUNDREDS OF CARS, TRAILERS, AND EVENT GUESTS IS NOT JUST IRRESPONSIBLE. IT'S A THREAT TO SAFETY. PLEASE DO NOT APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THIS AREA IS NOT EQUIPPED TO HANDLE SUCH DISRUPTIVE DEVELOPMENT. THIS PROJECT. THIS PROJECT SERVES PROFIT, NOT THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. SO PLEASE PROTECT OUR LAND. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? [02:05:11] GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JARED HILL. I REPRESENT 1109 AND 492 PANHANDLE ROAD. I DON'T HAVE TO TELL Y'ALL THAT I AM PRETTY FIERCELY PROTECTIVE OF MY COMMUNITY. I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT WE'RE NOT AGAINST HAVING PEOPLE COME AND ENJOY THE PLACE WHERE I GREW UP, WHERE I WAS RAISED THAT WE LOVE, AND THAT WE THAT WE PROCLAIM TO THE WORLD TO COME AND VISIT. BUT, SIR, I JUST ASK YOU TO KIND OF, LIKE, READ THE ROOM. EXCUSE ME, PLEASE READ THE READ THE ROOM THAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO BE PARKED IN BETWEEN TWO CAMPGROUNDS. AND SO ALL I WOULD ASK IS IF THE THIS BOARD IS WILLING TO TABLE SOME AIRBNBS THAT WE TAKE SOME TIME TO TO ALSO TABLE AND RECONSIDER AN ENTIRE CAMPGROUND. THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE. WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, SIR, A VERY WELL HASHED OUT PLAN. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. I'M SARAH RUSK. 111 OAKVIEW DRIVE, BENTONVILLE. PUT ON MY GLASSES. MY HUSBAND AND I ARE NEW FULL TIME RESIDENTS ON A PROPERTY BORDERING THE NORTHWEST CORNER OF THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY. WE PURCHASED OUR PROPERTY BACK IN APRIL AFTER SEARCHING FOR A RETIREMENT LOCATION THAT WAS RURAL, AGRICULTURAL, QUIET, AND HAD AN ABUNDANCE OF NATURE. I HAVE WRITTEN TO EACH OF YOU EXPRESSING OUR CONCERNS FOR THIS PROPOSED CAMPGROUND. INCREASED TRAFFIC ON A ROAD THAT ALREADY HAS ISSUES AND IS NOT SUITED FOR HEAVY TRAFFIC. POTENTIAL NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE RIVER QUALITY AND REMOTE PROPERTY OWNERS WHO MAY NOT HAVE THE BEST INTERESTS OF THE COMMUNITY IN MIND. A PROPOSED 100 SITE CAMPGROUND, IN ADDITION TO AN EVENT SPACE THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN PERMITTED, WILL HAVE A LARGE IMPACT ON THE AREA WE LIVE IN. WE ASK YOU, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TO DENY THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. RESPECTING THE MANY SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS, BOTH LONGTIME AND MORE RECENT, SUCH AS OURSELVES. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARY FLYNN, AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TO PRESENT SOME THOUGHTS. MY HUSBAND NEWMAN SANG, AND I LIVED PART TIME AT 1100 PANHANDLE. OUR HOME IS NEXT TO THE ENTRANCE TO THE PROPOSED CAMPGROUND. OUR OTHER HOME IS AT 322 END STREET, SOUTHWEST AND DC. I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE APPLICATION FOR A VARIETY OF REASONS. I PRESENTED QUITE A NUMBER OF PIECES OF INFORMATION IN THE PACKET. THEY'RE ALL PAGES 158 THROUGH 163. IF YOU DO INVITE THE APPLICANTS TO RESUBMIT, I SUGGEST A FEW THINGS THAT YOU MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER. I THINK THAT WE AS A COMMUNITY AND I'M VERY NEW TO THE COMMUNITY, AND I RECOGNIZE THAT. BUT I HAVE TALKED TO A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK TO DO MY HOMEWORK. MR. LENTZ HAS ANSWERED A LOT OF MY QUESTIONS, AND I'M VERY GRATEFUL FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THAT I'VE GOTTEN. TRYING TO UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. IF YOU DO TABLE IT OR ASK THE APPLICANTS TO RESUBMIT. I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY REALLY, REALLY WANT. THEY SAID THEY WANTED TEN, THEN THEY WANTED 200, THEN THEY WANTED 100, BUT THEY DON'T REALLY WANT 100. BUT THEY WANT 100. YOU KNOW. REALLY? WHAT IS IT? AND AT THE SAME TIME WHEN YOU LOOK AT ONE OF THE PIECES OF INFORMATION THAT I PROVIDED, THERE'S ALL THIS OTHER STUFF GOING ON WITH THEIR PROPERTIES. SO WHAT IS IT THEY REALLY WANT TO DO? DO THEY WANT TO SUBDIVIDE? DO THEY WANT TO HAVE THEM BE MULTI USE? ET CETERA. ET CETERA. SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE SOME CLARITY ON WHAT THEY ACTUALLY WANT TO DO WITH ALL OF THEIR PROPERTIES. I DO THINK THAT THEY REALLY SHOULD BE SERIOUS ABOUT THE RESPONSIBILITIES FOR A CAMPGROUND OF ANY SIZE. I GREW UP WITH A ONE WEEK VACATION EVERY YEAR WITH MY COUSINS. THERE WERE FOUR OF US. THERE WERE FOUR OF THEM, AND WE HAD A GREAT TIME. AND THINGS HAPPEN AT FAMILY CAMPGROUNDS AND THINGS HAVE TO GET RESOLVED. AND I DON'T CARE IF IT'S TEN OR IF IT'S 100. I THINK IT'S IRRESPONSIBLE TO THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE AS CAMPERS, [02:10:01] AND IT'S A BURDEN ON US WHO ARE RIGHT NEXT DOOR. WE ARE THE REALLY OBVIOUS PLACE TO GO WHEN YOU RUN INTO A PROBLEM, AND WE WOULD HAPPILY HELP ANYBODY WHO NEEDS HELP. JUST ON THURSDAY NIGHT, THERE WAS A HUGE THUNDERSTORM. WE HAD ONE OF OUR SYCAMORES GOT HIT BY LIGHTNING. IT WAS VERY FRIGHTENING. YOU KNOW, WHAT WERE THE. IT WAS. IT WAS A FLASH FLOOD. SO WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO ABOUT THAT? I WOULD HAVE GLADLY TAKEN PEOPLE IN. WE COULD TAKE IN TEN PEOPLE. WE CAN'T TAKE IN 600. SO. AND SIX PEOPLE FOR 100 CAMPSITES. THAT'S 600 PEOPLE, PLUS THE 200 PEOPLE FOR THE THE EVENT. I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED WHEN THEY WERE ASKED ABOUT THEIR EVACUATION PLAN. THEY SAID NOTHING ABOUT THEIR CLIENTS. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT JUST PULLING OUT THEIR THEIR FACILITIES. THEY WERE WORRIED ABOUT THEIR OWN PRIVATE PROPERTY. NOT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE GOING TO BE THERE. I SEE MY TIME IS UP. I DID HAVE A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE. I DO APPRECIATE YOU ALL FOR READING IT, FOR RESPONDING TO MY MY REQUEST, AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS HUMAN SANG. I'M MARY'S HUSBAND. I'M OPPOSED TO THIS PERMIT AS WELL. I THINK THE PLANNING IS INADEQUATE. THE TRAFFIC WILL START THERE. THE PROPOSED ENTRANCE IS AT THE BOTTOM OF A STEEP, NARROW, UNPAVED CURVE SECTION OF PANHANDLE. WITHIN 130 YARDS OF THAT ENTRANCE ARE FIVE RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS, INCLUDING OURS. SO IT'S A VERY RISKY ROADWAY THAT MANY LOCALS CHOOSE TO AVOID GOING UP THAT HILL. IT'S A NOT NOT A SMART PLACE TO PUT A COMMERCIAL DRIVEWAY. AND WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE PLAN FOR VDOT, AND I KNOW THERE'S A NEW PLAN, BUT IF I EXTRAPOLATE THE PLAN, WHICH WAS ONLY FOR TEN CAMPSITES. SO IF I EXTRAPOLATE FOR 100 CAMPSITES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT TWO VEHICLES PER MINUTE COMING OUT OF THAT CAMPSITE, TWO VEHICLES PER MINUTE, 30% OF THOSE VEHICLES GOING UP THAT HILL INTO THE UNPAVED PART. SO IT'S IT'S A TOUGH IT'S A TOUGH TRAFFIC PLAN. ALSO, NO ONSITE MANAGEMENT, I THINK IS REALLY TOUGH. I'M GOING TO ASSUME FOUR PERSONS PER SITE. SO 400 CAMPERS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY. THAT MEANS QUESTIONS, NOISE, MISUNDERSTANDINGS, CONFLICTS. WHO MANAGES THE NEEDS OF THOSE PEOPLE? THE EYE SAYS THERE'S MORE EYES ON THE PROPERTY. I THINK 400 PEOPLE, A LOT OF EYES, BUT ALSO A LOT OF CONFLICT. I MEAN, JUST THE LAST FEW DAYS. MARY TALKED ABOUT THUNDERSTORMS, DOWNED TREES. THERE WAS A THERE WAS A 3.5 HOUR POWER OUTAGE. THAT WAS FLOODING. WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR KEEPING THOSE CAMPERS SAFE? AND TODAY WAS WAS REALLY NO BETTER. OTHER CAMPGROUNDS OF THIS SIZE HAVE OFFICES AND PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE. THIS ONE DOES NOT. AND THEN FLOODING EVERY ONE OF THE 100 PROPOSED CAMPSITES LIES IN FLOOD ZONE A AND DURING THE APRIL MEETING OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE APPLICANT MRS EIS, ADMITTED THAT IT IS VERY LIKELY THAT THEY WILL ALL GET WIPED OUT IN THE FLOOD. AND SO THAT MEANS WASTE AND DEBRIS FROM 100 CAMPSITES WASHED INTO THE SHENANDOAH RIVER AND DOWNSTREAM. SO IT FELT LIKE A VERY CASUAL COMMENT TO A SUPER IMPORTANT CONCERN THAT WE SHOULD ALL HAVE. 100 SITE CAMPGROUND IS A VERY LARGE DEVELOPMENT. IT HAS MORE SITES THAN THE LOW WATER BRIDGE CAMPGROUND. IT HAS MORE SITES THAN EVEN THE STATE PARK. BOTH JUST A FEW MILES AWAY. SO I THINK WE DESERVE A DETAILED PLAN THAT ADDRESSES THE SCALE, THE TRAFFIC, THE FLOODING, THE ON SITE MANAGEMENT. WITHOUT IT, I THINK THE APPLICANTS ARE REALLY ASKING THE VISITORS. THEY'RE ASKING THEIR NEIGHBORS, THEY'RE ASKING LAW ENFORCEMENT. THEY'RE ASKING THE SHENANDOAH RIVER AND THE REST OF SHANNON AND THE WARREN COUNTY TO DEAL WITH ALL THE FALLOUT OF AN UNMANAGED 100 SITE CAMPGROUND. SO I URGE YOU TO REJECT THIS PERMIT. AND THANK YOU FOR HEARING MY CONCERNS. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? STEVE CUTLER, BENTONVILLE, VIRGINIA. I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST MR. II AT ALL, BUT HE'S GOT SEVERAL DIFFERENT PROPERTIES HERE. THE PROPERTY HE'S SHOWN HERE IS CASTRO'S, AT LEAST AT FIRST OF ALL, MY UNCLE BY MARRIAGE OWNED IT BEFORE THE 60S. PEACE AFTER THAT. CASTRO'S BOUGHT IT. CASTRO'S LEASED IT TO MY FAMILY. I'VE HAD COWS ON THAT ONE. NOBODY CAMPING ON THAT. HENRY'S BELOW THAT. PROBABLY A QUARTER OF A MILE WAS CAMPING, BUT THIS PART'S NEVER HAD CAMPING ON IT. [02:15:05] IT WAS COWS, AND I GOT LEASES. I CAN SHOW YOU. BUT IT WAS BELOW THERE. ONE OF THE NUMBERS HERE. BUT THE PART THERE'S. GOOD. THE PART WHERE YOU'VE GOT THE GREEN DIAMOND IS FLOODED. I MEAN, IT'S SWAMP IN THERE. I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD, BUT ALL THAT'S FLOODPLAIN. AND MY CONCERN IS IT'S HOUSES BEING BUILT ALL THE TIME IN WARREN COUNTY, IN THE FLOODPLAIN. I'VE SEEN IT. I'M 60 SOME YEARS OLD. I'VE SEEN 85, YOU KNOW, BIG FLOODS. THEY'RE GOING AWAY FROM AIR AND ALL THAT VENT CENTER AND EVERYTHING. WARREN COUNTY NEEDS TO STOP LETTING THESE PEOPLE BUILD THESE BUILDINGS IN THE FLOOD ZONE. BECAUSE OUR RESCUE AND FOR ONE DAY IT'S GOING TO NOT COME GOOD. IT'S REALLY NOT LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT SAYING DON'T LET HIM DEVELOP IT, BUT DON'T LET HIM BUILD BUILDINGS IN THAT FLOODPLAIN BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO GET HURT. YOU'VE GOT THE CAMP, AND IT'S WHEN THAT WATER GOES DOWN THROUGH THERE, IT'S GOING TO PUT THEM ON ISLAND OUT THERE FOR A LITTLE BIT. SO WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ENGINEERS IF YOU GOT THE MONEY TO LET YOU DO ANYTHING. BUT I'M TELLING YOU, I'M TELLING YOU, YOU I'VE SEEN IT. I'VE SEEN ALL THE WAY UP PAST THAT DIAMOND. I'VE SEEN THE RIVER. I FIXED THE FENCE. I KNOW WHAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. SO THAT'S JUST MY CONCERN. NOTHING AGAINST HIM. MAKE SURE HE KEEPS HIS STUFF OUT OF THE FLOODPLAIN THAT HE'S BUILDING BECAUSE IT'S GOING AWAY. THANK YOU. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER? GOING TWICE. THREE TIMES. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, OUR RULES SAY THAT THE APPLICANT GETS A CHANCE TO RESPOND TO WHAT'S BEEN SAID BY THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT, AT A AMOUNT OF TIME, TO BE SET BY THE CHAIRMAN. I WOULD SUGGEST FIVE MINUTES, BUT THAT'S THE CHAIRMAN'S DISCRETION. MR.. YEAH. THANKS VERY MUCH, SIR, I APPRECIATE IT. I WANT TO MAKE NOTE THAT TWO OF THE PEOPLE WHO CAME AND SPOKE HAVE BEEN HERE LESS TIME THAN I'VE BEEN HERE, OKAY. THEY DON'T KNOW THE AREA AS WELL AS I DO. THEY THINK THEY DO TOO, IS I HAVE TO GO TO VDOT. THAT'S THE REGULATION. THEY DID THE TRAFFIC STUDY. THE NUMBERS THAT WE HEARD HERE ARE BOGUS. NUMBER THREE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE IN A CAMPSITE. I CONTROL THAT. THAT'S WHY I WANT TO CONTROL THE RIVER. IT'S NOT SIX PER. THAT'S A MADE UP FIGURE TO GET YOU ALL JAZZED UP. SHE DOESN'T KNOW. SHE TEXTED ME A COUPLE OF TIMES. I'VE ANSWERED HER QUESTIONS. I DIDN'T KNOW SHE HAD A CONCERN LIKE THAT. I WOULD HAVE TOLD HER TWO PEOPLE. THAT'S IT. I'M TRYING TO CONTROL IT AS FAR AS THE HUNTER SITES ARE CONCERNED. THE REGULATION IN THE COUNTY IS 5 TO 100. IF YOU HAD A REGULATION FOR TEN, I MIGHT BE HERE ASKING FOR TEN, BUT NOT AT A $60,000 INTEREST THAT VDOT PUT ON ME, BECAUSE I HAD TO ASK FOR PERMISSION TO GET THEM TO HELP ME. THAT'S THE REGULATION. SO I'M TRYING TO PLAY BY THE RULES. SAME THING WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH. SO I'VE HEARD A LOT OF STATISTICS. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE GETTING THEM FROM. I'M SURE THEY'RE DOING SOME SORT OF MATH SOMEWHERE, BUT I HAD TO GO GET IT. IT'S IN THE REPORT. VDOT GAVE IT TO US. THE WEDDING VENUE HAS A NUMBER OF CARS COMING IN AND OUT. THEY DID THE STUDY. YOU ASKED ME ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE ENTRANCE. I'M ALL OVER THE SIZE OF THE ENTRANCE. I'M NOT MAKING IT THAT BIG UNTIL I HAVE TO MAKE IT THAT BIG. SO I'M CONCERNED WITH THIS AS FAR AS THE FLOODPLAIN IS CONCERNED. MY LESSON LEARNED TODAY. EVEN THOUGH MR. COLLINS IS VERY KIND. NO MORE. NO MORE SLIDES. BECAUSE I SAID MORE THAN ONCE THAT GREEN DOT ISN'T RIGHT WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE, JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN'T SEE IT ON THAT PARTICULAR PICTURE. I'M NOT PUTTING ANYTHING IN THE FLOODPLAIN AS FAR AS THE EVACUATION PLAN IS CONCERNED. THE WHOLE IDEA OF PULLING THE THE TEMPORARY SITES OUT IS THAT WHEN YOU CANCEL AND YOU TELL YOUR, HEY, LOOK, I'M GONNA TAKE A HIT HERE, BUT YOU CAN'T COME BECAUSE WE GOT A BIG STORM COMING. SO SHE'S WORRIED ABOUT PEOPLE SAFETY AFTER 23 YEARS IN THE MILITARY. I MEAN, SAFETY FIRST, ALL THAT STUFF. I'M SORRY I DIDN'T ADDRESS IT THE WAY SHE WANTED ME TO, BUT THE WHOLE REASON THEY'RE TEMPORARY IS TO GET THEM OUT SO WE DON'T HAVE AN ISSUE. WE DON'T HAVE TINY HOMES FLOATING DOWN THE RIVER. BECAUSE I GOT TO TELL YOU, I WISH THEY'D HELP ME GET THE TINY CAMPS OUT OF THE RIVER THAT ARE ON MY PROPERTY, BECAUSE NOBODY'S HELPING ME WITH THAT. I'M NOT ANGRY WITH THEM. IT'S MY RESPONSIBILITY. BUT THAT'S WHAT'S GOING ON DOWN THERE RIGHT NOW. TODAY I EVEN HAD SOMEBODY LIVING IN MY DEER BLIND THAT I HAD TO KICK OUT. NOBODY'S RUNNING DOWN THE ACCESS GOING, HEY, WE LOVE THE ENVIRONMENT SO MUCH. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN THE DEER BLIND DRINKING UP THERE I WAS. SO BEFORE ANYBODY TALKS TO ME ABOUT SAFETY, I THINK THEY HAD TO CHECK THEMSELVES A LITTLE BIT. THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO SAY HERE ABOUT WHAT'S GOING ON IN TERMS OF I'M PLAYING WITHIN THE RULES. IF THIS COUNTY HAD A AND I'M NOT PICKING ON YOU, BUT IF IT HAD A STRICTER WAY TO DO THIS, I'D FOLLOW IT. BUT WHETHER IT'S FIVE, TEN, 100, IT'S A NUMBER. IT'S WHAT'S IN THE REGULATION. THANKS. THANK YOU. SIR. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. IN THE COVER SHEET OF OUR MOTIONS. WE HAVE THREE MOTIONS. [02:20:03] ONE TO APPROVE THE HUNDRED CAP CAPPING UNITS. AND THEN WE HAVE ANOTHER MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE CONDITION TO LIMIT TO SIX TENT AND FOUR RV CAMPING UNITS BASED ON THE PROPOSED INITIAL LAYOUT. SO IF WE DO THE SECOND MOTION, ARE WE APPROVING JUST ONLY SIX? SO THE SORRY. GO AHEAD. YEAH. THE SECOND SUGGESTED MOTION IS WOULD APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ON A SCALE EQUIVALENT TO WHAT HE HAS SUGGESTED FOR HIS INITIAL PHASE, WHICH HE HAS REFERENCED MULTIPLE TIMES TONIGHT AS HIS TEN THE INITIAL FIRST TEN UNITS, AND SO IT WOULD BE TEN TOTAL CAMPING UNITS THAT IT WOULD BE REGULATED TO. AND I HAD SUGGESTED SIX AND FOR I THINK SIX RECREATIONAL VEHICLE UNITS AND OR NO. SIX PRIMITIVE UNITS AND THEN TENT UNITS AND THEN FOUR RECREATIONAL VEHICLE UNITS. AND SO IF HE YOU KNOW, WERE APPROVED AND ESTABLISHED THAT AND WANTED TO DO MORE, HE COULD DO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT MODIFICATION WOULD COME BACK THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS TO CHANGE THE CONDITION, TO INCREASE THE NUMBER. SO IF HE WANTS TO I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PHASED IN APPROACH, RIGHT? YES. SO SO IF HE GOES AHEAD AND PUTS THE SIX AND THE TEN SITES. AND THEN TWO YEARS LATER, FIVE YEARS LATER, HE'S READY TO DO AN ADDITIONAL. HE HAS TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD OF BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND AMEND THIS CUP TO ADD THOSE ADDITIONAL. CORRECT. IT WOULD BE A MATERIAL CHANGE TO A CONDITION ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND WOULD NECESSITATE A PUBLIC HEARING BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD. IT WOULD YES, IT WOULD, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A THREE MONTH PROCESS TO REVISE THAT CONDITION, TO AMEND IT TO. OKAY. OF COURSE. LET'S SEE HOW THAT IS. OKAY. THE THE THE THE APPLICANT TALKED ABOUT A TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WAS DONE. AND IN OUR PACKET HERE I SEE THEIR VDOT COMMENTS BUT IT WAS FOR THE ENTRANCE. SO WHEN I HEAR TRAFFIC STUDY I WAS THINKING YOU KNOW HOW HOW WHAT'S THE LEVEL OF TRAFFIC GOING? GOING BACK AND FORTH ON PANHANDLE. IS THAT TYPE OF STUDY EVER BEEN PERFORMED? SO I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ON THAT. I BELIEVE IN MY DISCUSSIONS WITH MR. AI, THAT VDOT HAD ACTUALLY PROVIDED HIM NUMBERS FOR A CAMPGROUND USE AND WHAT KIND OF TRAFFIC THAT WOULD GENERATE. AND THEN THEY WOULD THEY BASE IT ON THE SCALE OF THE CAMPGROUND, WHAT THE THE ENTRANCE WOULD REQUIRE. BUT IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T REACH OUT TO THE ROAD ITSELF BECAUSE THAT ROAD IS VERY NARROW, YOU KNOW, AND AND THE AREA WHERE THIS CAMPGROUND IS, IS AND I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WAS OUT THERE TODAY, AND YOU CAN'T TWO CARS CANNOT PASS AT THE SAME TIME. AND THEN WITH THE WEATHER AND ALL THE RAIN AND AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING, YOU KNOW. AND SO THAT'S MY CONCERN. I UNDERSTAND THAT THE ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE MODIFIED PER VDOT. BUT THEN AGAIN, THAT ROAD IS VERY, VERY, VERY NARROW AND IN THE LOCATION, YOU KNOW, AND YOU GOT PEOPLE COMING IN AND OUT. I MEAN, WHEN I TODAY WHEN I WAS GOING UP TO THE TO HIS TO THE LOCATION, ANOTHER CAR WAS COMING IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND WE JUST SAT THERE AND KIND OF STARED EACH OTHER DOWN, LIKE, WHO'S GOING TO MOVE BACKWARDS FIRST? RIGHT? YOU KNOW, REVERSE CHICKEN. YEAH. IT WAS, YOU KNOW, SO I WAS THE I WAS THE ONE HAD TO GO BACKWARDS. AND THEN EVEN WHEN I WAS BACKING UP, THERE WAS NO, NO AREA FOR ME TO PULL OVER. I HAD TO GO, YOU KNOW, SEVERAL HUNDRED FEET BEFORE THERE WAS AN AREA. SO THAT'S MY CONCERN, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THIS IS THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD, YOU KNOW SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY. YEAH. WE RELY ON VDOT. YEAH. WE RELY ON VDOT TO PROVIDE AGENCY COMMENTS THAT WOULD ADDRESS THAT. AND THEY DID, NOT JUST THE ENTRANCE. SO EITHER IT DOESN'T MEET A THRESHOLD THAT WOULD REQUIRE IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ACTUAL ROADWAY, OR THEY DIDN'T COMMENT ON IT. THAT'S ALL WE GOT. DID WE ASK FOR ONE? WE REQUESTED COMMENTS ON THE POTENTIAL IMPACTS ON PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL WELFARE FOR THE ENTRANCE AND FOR THE ENTRANCE ROADWAY. YEAH, BUT NOT THE ROAD. NO. AND ROADWAY AND THE ROADWAY, IT WOULD ASSUMES IMPACTS TO NOT JUST THIS PROPERTY, BUT THE PROPERTY IS AROUND IT, INCLUDING THE ROADWAY. [02:25:01] YEAH. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO MAKE A COUPLE COMMENTS BEFORE WE DO. A MOTION AND. HEARING HAVING TWO CAMPGROUNDS THE STATE PARK AND THE LOW WATER BRIDGE CAMPGROUND GROUND, AND THE FACT THAT OUR FAMILY USED TO RUN A CAMPGROUND ON WHAT IS NOW THE STATE PARK FOR MANY YEARS. AND THAT WAS PRIMITIVE. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, AND YOU SPOKE YOURSELF TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAD SEVEN BLINDS ON YOUR HUNTING BLINDS ON YOUR PROPERTY. EVEN WITH YOUR SECURITY CAMERA, IT'S VERY HARD TO KEEP PEOPLE OFF WHEN IT'S A SECLUDED AREA OF LAND. AND IT'S ONE THING WHEN YOU'RE FARMING IT AND YOU'VE GOT CATTLE OR YOU'RE MAKING HAY. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN PUTTING A GROUP OF PEOPLE THERE THAT MAY NOT KNOW WHO ELSE IS THERE AND THAT CAN WANDER IN WHETHER THEY DRIVE THROUGH OR THEY WALK THROUGH. SO SECURITY, THE LACK OF SECURITY IS A PROBLEM FOR ME BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THE LOW WATER BRIDGE CAMPGROUND. OFTEN THERE, THEY LIVE THERE. SO THEY'RE THERE TO BE A SET OF SECURITY GUYS THEMSELVES, BUT THEY OFTEN HAVE IN THE PAST, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY STILL ARE HIRE LAW ENFORCEMENT TO BE THERE SECURITY, ESPECIALLY ON BIG BUSY WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS AND SO FORTH, BECAUSE YOU GET PEOPLE CAMPING AND THEY LIKE TO HAVE THEIR ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES AND THEY GET TO PARTYING AND PEOPLE GET TO TALKING POLITICS OR WHATEVER, THEY GET TO TALK, AND SOMEBODY SAYS SOMETHING BAD ABOUT SOMEBODY'S FAMILY MEMBER AND THINGS HAPPEN. AND WHEN THERE'S NO SECURITY OR ANYTHING THERE THINGS CAN GET OUT OF CONTROL PRETTY QUICKLY. AND THAT'S, THAT'S A REMOTE AREA, AND IT'S GOING TO TAKE LAW ENFORCEMENT A WHILE TO GET THERE. SO THAT'S A CONCERN. THE I CAN TELL YOU FROM EXPERIENCE AS WELL, ESPECIALLY TEENAGERS WITH A DRIVER'S LICENSE. THEY GET BORED QUICK AND THEY'RE IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT AND IN AND OUT. NOW, ME, I COULD SIT ON THAT RIVERBANK ALL DAY LONG WITH A BOOK OR A FISHING POLE. AND UNLESS I FORGOT SOMETHING FROM HOME OR I, YOU KNOW, SQUIRRELS GOT IN THE FOOD SUPPLY AND I NEED TO GO OUT. I'M PERFECTLY HAPPY STAYING THERE. BUT TEENAGERS, THEY GET BORED FAST AND THEY'RE IN AND OUT, AND SOME ADULTS GET BORED FAST AND THEY'RE IN AND OUT. SO THE, THE TRAFFIC IS GOING TO BE IMPACTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE THERE AND I CAN WELL UNDERSTAND FROM CAMPING AND STATE PARKS AND THINGS THROUGHOUT OUR TIME, THERE'S NOTHING MORE ANNOYING, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'VE GOT SMALL CHILDREN THAT YOU'RE FINALLY GOING TO SLEEP, AND THEN SOMEBODY COMES IN AND CAR DOORS AND LIGHTS AND THINGS. SO I CAN SEE WHERE YOUR PARKING AREA THAT CLOSE TO THEIR HOME WOULD ALSO BE A BIT OF A NOISE. SO THE TRAFFIC ON THE ROAD, MRS. COOK IS RIGHT. THAT ROAD. PROBABLY ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO, WAS DONE. RURAL, RUSTIC. THERE'S A COUPLE OF VERY INTERESTING SPOTS WHERE THE PIPE GOES ACROSS THAT IF YOU DON'T KNOW THAT ROAD, ESPECIALLY AT NIGHT, YOU'RE GOING TO GET A REALLY RUDE AWAKENING WHEN YOU GO DOWN IN THAT HOLE. ESPECIALLY. AND I KNOW PEOPLE AREN'T GOING TO CAMP IN THE WINTERTIME, BUT I THINK THERE'S JUST A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE QUESTION AND CONCERNS. I WOULD ALMOST LIKE TO TABLE THIS AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE AND BRING IT BACK. IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT. THEN WE CAN GO WITH THE MOTION AND SEE WHERE IT FALLS. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION AT THIS POINT. IF. AND MR. HAM, I GUESS. DO I? CAN I ASK IF HE'S WILLING TO READDRESS SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS? BECAUSE HE SEEMED PRETTY ADAMANT HE DIDN'T WANT TO. THAT'S NOT REALLY THE TIME FOR THAT. OKAY. YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN TERMS OF TABLING OR DENYING OR APPROVING. [02:30:06] I WOULD LIKE TO TABLE IT THIS TIME AND BRING IT BACK. AND THAT'S MY MOTION. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL. MR.. MRS.. COOK. NO. DOCTOR. JAMIESON. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT, MR. MEYER. HI. MRS. COLLINS. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT, SO PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOW CLOSED. THE WE WILL CONTINUE WITH THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. [F. Public Comment Period for Items on the Agenda (30-Minute Time Limit) (Part 2 of 2)] WHO'S NEXT? NEXT UP IS BRETT DIPIETRO. WE'VE ALREADY SPOKEN. THE NEXT UP IS CRAIG TABER. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS CRAIG TABER. I LIVE ON DOGWOOD FARM ROAD IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT. AND MY REASON FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT IS A LETTER I RECEIVED A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO FROM THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT NOTIFYING ME OF WHAT I WAS TOLD WAS A MANDATORY NAME CHANGE FOR THE PRIVATELY OWNED RIGHT OF WAY THAT MY HOUSE IS SITUATED ON. TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE DESCRIPTION OF OF WHERE THAT IS. MY ADDRESS IS DOGWOOD FARM ROAD. MY HOUSE IS ACTUALLY ACCESSED FROM A SHORT RIDE AWAY, ESSENTIALLY A PRIVATE DRIVEWAY THAT GOES PAST MY NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE, GOES TO MINE THE RIGHT OF WAY, ACTUALLY BISECTS MY PROPERTY AND THEN CONTINUES ON TO TWO OTHER BUILDABLE LOTS, ONE OF WHICH THERE'S CURRENTLY A HOUSE BEING BUILT ON WHICH HAS TRIGGERED THIS REVIEW AND THE THE LETTER AND THE LETTER STATED THAT SINCE THERE WAS THAT THIRD HOUSE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT THE COUNTY CODE REQUIRED A NAME CHANGE, WHICH MEANS NOT JUST CHANGE OF OF ROAD NAME. IT'S HOUSE NUMBER. EVERYTHING. SO. IN SOME DIALOG THAT I'VE HAD WITH WITH MR. GRIFFITH, WHO'S BEEN VERY CORDIAL AND RESPONSIVE, ALTHOUGH I DISAGREE WITH HIM, BUT HE HAS CHARACTERIZED THIS AS YOU KNOW, MINIMAL INCONVENIENCE. AND I WOULD ASSERT THAT IT'S A CONSIDERABLE INCONVENIENCE THAT I THINK COULD BE AVOIDED WITH SOME KIND OF REASONABLE SOLUTION OTHER THAN CHANGING THE THE NAME OF THE ROAD, WHICH WOULD BE INCONVENIENT AND AS WELL AS COSTLY TO THOSE OF US LIVING THERE. BOTH MY WIFE AND I RUN SMALL BUSINESSES. MY WIFE HAS A VETERAN SUPPORT NONPROFIT THAT SHE RUNS OUT OF THE HOUSE QUITE A BIT OF OF ACCOUNTS AND FILES AND SUCH THAT IS IS TIED TO THAT ADDRESS. THAT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, TAKE MANY HOURS OF, OF HER TIME TO TO ADDRESS WHAT THE LETTER STATED WAS THAT THE COUNTY CODE CHAPTER 142, WHICH IS ENTITLED ROAD NAMES. REQUIRED THIS, AND I'M GOING TO TALK REALLY FAST. THE CODE SECTION MENTIONED SAYS THAT THE THE PRESENCE OF A THIRD HOUSE ON THE RIGHT OF WAY TRIGGERS A REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT IT TRIGGERS A MANDATORY NAME CHANGE. SO TO SHORTEN THIS UP, I'LL SIMPLY SAY THAT I'VE OFFERED UP, YOU KNOW, SEEKING A A REASONABLE SOLUTION THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. I KNOW THAT THAT EMERGENCY SERVICES NEEDS TO FIND ITS WAY TO US AT THE PRESENT TIME. FEDEX DRIVERS, UPS FRIENDS UBER DRIVERS. NOBODY HAS A PROBLEM FINDING THAT MY NEIGHBOR AND I HAVE OUR NUMBERS POSTED PROMINENTLY AT THE ENTRANCE TO THE TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. I PROPOSED THAT ANY OTHER HOUSES BUILT ON THERE, AND IT'S A TOTAL OF FOUR POSSIBLE DO THE SAME THING AND IT RESOLVES THE ISSUE. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU SIR. NEXT UP IS NEXT UP IS SCOTTIE WILLIAMS. GOOD EVENING I'M SCOTTIE WILLIAMS I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE REQUEST FOR APPLICATION FOR A SAFER GRANT TO ADD 12 POSITIONS TO WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. I'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN FIRE AND RESCUE IN WARREN COUNTY SINCE PRESIDENT FORD WAS IN OFFICE. I'VE SERVED OVER 30 YEARS AS A CAREER FIREFIGHTER AND PARAMEDIC, AND I'VE RESPONDED TO OVER 25,000 EMERGENCY INCIDENTS. IN THE ALMOST 49 YEARS SINCE I BEGAN SERVING, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY CHANGES TO FIRE AND EMS IN WARREN COUNTY. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE BEING THE STAFFING OF FIRE AND RESCUE STATIONS. PRIOR TO 1970S, THE STAFF. THE EMERGENCY CALLS WERE HANDLED SOLELY BY VOLUNTEER FIRE AND EMS PERSONNEL THROUGHOUT THE 70S [02:35:06] AND EARLY 80S. THERE WERE TWO CAREER PERSONNEL ASSIGNED TO THE STATION AT FRONT ROYAL IN 1982. TWO PARAMEDICS WERE ADDED TO ASSIST, COVERING THE GROWING NUMBER AND COMPLEXITY OF EMS CALLS. NIGHTS, WEEKENDS AND HOLIDAYS WERE MAINLY COVERED BY VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS AND PARAMEDICS. UP INTO THE EARLY AND MID 20 TENS. UNFORTUNATELY, VOLUNTEERISM AND FIRE AND RESCUE NATIONWIDE HAS BEEN ON A STEADY DECLINE SINCE THE EARLY 1990S. THE TIME REQUIRED TO OBTAIN THE TRAINING AND CERTIFICATIONS REQUIRED BY THE STATE FOR TODAY'S COMPLEX FIRE AND EMS OPERATIONS, ALONG WITH THE DRASTIC INCREASE IN CALLS FOR SERVICE, HAVE MADE IT DIFFICULT TO RECRUIT, TRAIN AND RETAIN VOLUNTEERS, AND NECESSITATES 24 HOUR, 24 OVER SEVEN CAREER STAFFING AND WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE STATIONS. IT'S BEEN MULTIPLE TIMES AT EVERY UNIT IN WARREN COUNTY HAS BEEN COMMITTED TO CALLS, AND THERE'S BEEN NO UNITS AVAILABLE FOR ADDITIONAL CALLS. US FIRE ADMINISTRATION AND UNDERWRITERS LABORATORIES TO DETERMINE THE FIRE, AND THE STRUCTURE DOUBLES IN SIZE EVERY 30 TO 60S, DEPENDING ON THE CONTENTS AND STUDIES CONDUCTED BY THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. THEY DETERMINE SURVIVAL OF A CARDIAC ARREST CAN BE AS HIGH AS 90%. IF TREATMENT STARTS IN THE FIRST FEW MINUTES, THE RATE DROPS 10% EVERY MINUTE THEREAFTER, AND CARDIAC ARREST CAN BE FATAL IF IT LASTS LONGER THAN EIGHT MINUTES WITHOUT CPR, AND BRAIN DAMAGE CAN HAPPEN IN JUST FIVE MINUTES WHEN THERE IS EMERGENCY. TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE, GETTING EMERGENCY PERSONNEL AND EQUIPMENT TO THE SCENE. RESPONSE TIMES AND DELAYS INCREASE PROPERTY DAMAGE, EXACERBATE THE SEVERITY OF INJURIES AND MEDICAL EMERGENCIES, AND INCREASE THE LOSS OF LIFE. THESE ARE NOT ANECDOTAL STORIES OR CONJECTURE OR SCARE TACTICS. THESE ARE HARD, COLD FACTS. THESE ARE FACTS ESTABLISHED AND SUPPORTED BY EMPIRICAL DATA FROM RESPECTED AND RELIABLE SOURCES AND FACTS THAT ARE UNDISPUTABLE. IN CLOSING, I IMPLORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE THEIR REQUEST FOR APPLICATION FOR A SAFER GRANT AND THE ADDITION OF 12 MUCH NEEDED PERSONNEL. THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION, APPROVING THE REQUEST THAT WILL SERVE TO PROTECT THE SAFETY AND WELL-BEING OF THE CITIZENS AND VISITORS TO FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS BETHANY O'NEILL. HELLO. BETHANY O'NEILL, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. I BROUGHT A BOOK. THIS IS WHY THEY HATE US. IT WAS A BOOK THAT CUSH TRIED TO GET BANNED FROM THE LIBRARY. I'M JUST GOING TO TAKE A FEW MOMENTS TO READ. SO THIS SPEAKER IS NOT GOING TO SAY ANYTHING. I HAVE THREE MINUTES, I THINK. RIGHT. SO DID THIS FEEL A LITTLE PERFORMATIVE IF YOU THINK I JUST WASTED MINUTES OF YOUR TIME. IMAGINE HOW WE FEEL WATCHING YOU WASTE OUR TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON YOUR PERFORMATIVE CRUSADE THAT HAS BEEN ATTACKING SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS. MINUS MISS COLORS, OF COURSE. FIRST, YOU WASTED TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS TRYING TO BAN BOOKS SUCH AS THIS ONE THAT I BROUGHT. THEN YOU WASTED TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. THEN YOU WASTED TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD. THEN YOU WASTED TIME AND TAXPAYER DOLLARS ON A POTENTIAL CONTRACT FOR LESSONS SERVICES WHEN YOU KNEW THERE WAS NO BUILDING AND NO BOOKS. IT'S BEEN TWO YEARS OF WASTED TIME AND MONEY. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. IN THIS PERFORMANCE, THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD DOESN'T SERVE THE PEOPLE. IT SERVES YOUR AGENDA. MY SIMPLE ASK IS TO DISSOLVE THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD AND REENTER INTO A FUNDING AGREEMENT WITH SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY. JUST LIKE THIS, TIME COULD HAVE BEEN SPENT SAYING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE. YOUR TIME SHOULD BE SPENT ON WHAT THIS COUNTY ACTUALLY NEEDS LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE, PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND AND ON AND AN AWARD WINNING SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY REAL SERVICES FOR THIS COMMUNITY. THANK YOU. SO IS ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA? YES, SIR. NEXT UP IS JOHN HERNANDEZ. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN. BOARD OF DIRECTORS, CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY. MY NAME IS JOHN HERNANDEZ. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ME. I SERVED 20 YEARS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY. SEVEN COMBAT TOURS OVERSEAS. MY WIFE AND I BOUGHT THIS HOUSE THINKING IT, AFTER 20 YEARS OF WARFARE. MAYBE I CAN HAVE SOME PEACE IN HER LIFE. AND WE CAN HAVE SOME PEACE TOGETHER. BUT UNFORTUNATELY, [02:40:02] WE WENT THROUGH A GIANT LEGAL CASE WITH AN ITEM, ISSUE NUMBER SEVEN ON OUR DOCKET. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS HERE WITH ME. NUMBER ONE, I HAVE THE JUDGE'S FINAL ORDER MAKING SURE THAT MYSELF AND NOT JUST MYSELF AND OUR HOUSEHOLD, BUT MR. RINEHART'S HOUSEHOLD AS WELL, HAS LEGAL ACCESS TO THAT ROAD. THE SECOND THING I HAVE WITH ME IS TESTIMONY FROM MR. JONATHAN SCHWARTZ, A REPRESENTATIVE OF VDOT, UNDER OATH TAKEN LINE BY LINE FOR OUR COURT PROCEEDINGS IN THERE. HE SAYS THAT OUR ADDRESS, OUR ENTRANCE ON FORT VALLEY ROAD HAS NEVER BEEN APPROVED. IN FACT, THERE WAS NEVER AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED. SO WE HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS ON HOW THE CERTIFICATE, CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY WAS APPROVED AS WELL. BUT FINALLY, IN CLOSING I WOULD ASK MISS VICKY COOKE TO PERHAPS NOT VOTE ON THIS, CONSIDERING THAT SHE WAS A WITNESS FOR THE DEFENSE IN THIS CASE, AND IT POSSIBLY COULD BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. BUT I'M JUST A LAYMAN, SO I'M ONLY ASKING. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT. NEXT UP IS CARRIE HERNANDEZ. HI. MY NAME IS CARRIE HERNANDEZ, AND I'M JOHN'S WIFE, WHO JUST CAME UP TO SPEAK. AS JOHN MENTIONED, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY THREE YEARS AGO, AND WE HAVEN'T HAD A CORRECT ADDRESS SINCE WE MOVED IN. I THINK SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS ARE MISTAKEN THAT THE THAT THERE'S A SECOND ENTRANCE OFF OF FORT VALLEY ROAD, WHICH WAS ASSIGNED BY THE COUNTY, BUT THAT'S NOT CORRECT. WE DO HAVE A DEPOSITION FROM VDOT AGAIN STATING THAT IT WAS NEVER APPROVED. IN FACT, THEY SAID IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE AN APPROVED, IMPROVED IN THAT. I THINK JONATHAN SCHWARTZ'S COMMENTS WERE, YOU NEED A BUNCH OF DYNAMITE AND SOME BULLDOZERS TO BLOW UP THE MOUNTAIN, AND IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO MAKE IT AN ENTRANCE. WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THIS IS I NEED AN EMERGENCY 911 ADDRESS FOR SERVICES TO REACH MY HOUSE. THERE'S A RIGHT OF WAY. I LIVE IN A SUBDIVISION, AND I THINK SOME PEOPLE THOUGHT THAT THE LAND WOULD BE VACANT FOREVER. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL ZONED AREA, AND WE BUILT A HOUSE, AND THERE'S MORE THAN THREE HOUSES ON THE RIGHT OF WAY. AND THE ORDINANCE STATES THAT THE ROAD NEEDS TO BE NAMED. SO I JUST WANT EMERGENCY SERVICES TO BE ABLE TO FIND MY HOUSE, HOUSE IN AN ADEQUATE AMOUNT OF TIME. I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE THAT GO UP THAT ROAD. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE OTHER THAN THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE. SO I THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION IN NAMING THIS ROAD AND FOLLOWING THE COUNTY ORDINANCE. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS HUGH HENRY. HELLO. HUGH. HENRY. FOURTH DISTRICT. CURRENT PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER AND ALMOST CANDIDATE ELECT FOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. IF I'M SO LUCKY ENOUGH TO MAKE IT THAT FAR. I'M CURRENTLY RUNNING UNOPPOSED FOR NOVEMBER'S ELECTION. OH, BUT THERE'S STILL PLENTY OF TIME. BUT I'M NOT COUNTING MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY'RE HATCHED, SO TO SPEAK. BUT PERCENTAGE LOOKS PRETTY GOOD, AND I'M GETTING PRETTY GOOD SUPPORT. I HAD MENTIONED BEFORE. OH, WHEN I WAS HERE EARLIER IN MY CANDIDACY ABOUT THE LIBRARY ISSUE AND HOW IT WAS A, IN A LOT OF CASES, SINGLE VOTER ITEM. OH, I THINK IT SPOKE IN THE ELECTION FOR THIS TYPE OF ELECTION, IT WAS JUST A PRIMARY. SO IT'S NOT HUGE VOTER TURNOUT. BUT THEY DID INDICATE CLOSE TO RECORD NUMBERS FOR THIS TYPE OF ELECTION. AND THOSE VOTERS DID SPEAK VERY LOUDLY, GIVING ME A PRETTY GOOD MAJORITY, EVEN THOUGH MY OPPOSING CANDIDATE SPENT MANY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN FALSE ATTACK ADS. OH, AND I STILL WAS STILL WAS ABLE TO ONE SO. OH, I WOULD ASK YOU TO PUT THE LIBRARY BACK. OH, I THINK I THINK I THINK THE VOTERS HAVE SAID THAT LOUD AND CLEAR. IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAVE ANOTHER. OH, OH. SOMETHING THAT I MENTIONED IN MY CAMPAIGN ABOUT FUNDING FIRE RESCUE SCHOOLS, THINGS LIKE THAT, THAT ARE STILL VERY SERIOUS ISSUES TO ME, AS WERE FIRE AND RESCUE, ARE HAVING TROUBLE COVERING CALLS FOR SHORT STAFFING. SCHOOLS, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. WE DEFINITELY GOT A FUNDING ISSUE. IF I AM LUCKY ENOUGH TO MAKE IT THROUGH NOVEMBER AND BE ELECTED, I WOULD I'M HOPING THAT WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO FIND SOME REAL INCOME FOR THE COMMUNITY TO TO TO FUND THESE BASIC SERVICES, ALL THAT, ALL THAT EVERYBODY WANTS AND KNOW, REGARDLESS OF WHO YOU SIGNED WITH OR VOTED BEFORE EARLY IN THE ELECTION, ALL THAT THAT THAT WAS THE ELECTION AND THAT PART OF THE ELECTION'S OVER. [02:45:02] OH, I HOLD NO GRUDGE. FOR PEOPLE, WHOEVER YOU VOTED FOR. IF YOU'RE IN MY DISTRICT AND I MAKE IT THROUGH NOVEMBER AND I'M YOUR SUPERVISOR, PLEASE REACH OUT. AND I'M HOPING THE REST OF THE BOARD I EXTEND THE SAME INVITATION. AS FAR AS WORKING TOGETHER FOR. YOU KNOW, OF COURSE, MR. BUTLER WON'T BE HERE, BUT THE OTHER THREE OF YOU WILL. AND I'M HOPING GOING FORWARD, IF LIKE I SAY, FINGERS CROSSED, MAKE IT THROUGH NOVEMBER, AND I'M HERE IN JANUARY. I'M HOPING WE CAN HAVE A POSITIVE RELATIONSHIP GOING FORWARD. AND I THINK A GOOD STEP FORWARD WOULD BE TO FIX THIS LIBRARY ISSUE. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NEXT UP IS JOHN JENKINS. IF HE'S STILL HERE. OKAY. NEXT IS SAMANTHA. GOOD. HI. I'M SAMANTHA GOODE WITH THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT 1339 PEOPLE JUST DID IN WARREN COUNTY. THEY SHOWED UP IN A REPUBLICAN PRIMARY AND SHUT THE DOOR ON THE POLITICAL CIRCUS THAT YOU'VE CREATED. HUGH HENRY WON BY 22%. TONY CARTER WON BY ALMOST 27%. THESE WEREN'T CLOSE RACES. THEY WERE TOTAL REJECTIONS. AND I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ONE MORE WORD ABOUT HOW IT WASN'T REPRESENTATIVE, BECAUSE JOHN STEINMEYER TOOK HIS SEAT WITH 220 VOTES IN A FIREHOUSE PRIMARY, WHERE ONLY 330 PEOPLE SHOWED UP. SUPERVISOR JAMISON WON HIS GENERAL ELECTION WITH JUST 1420 VOTES, AND THIS PRIMARY CAME WITHIN 81 VOTES OF THAT. IT WAS THE THIRD HIGHEST REPUBLICAN PRIMARY TURNOUT IN THE ENTIRE STATE. YOU DIDN'T QUESTION THOSE NUMBERS WHEN THEY WORKED IN YOUR FAVOR, SO DON'T TRY TO DISMISS THEM NOW. AND, SUPERVISOR JAMIESON, YOU SPENT ALL THIS TIME WHINING ABOUT OUR PAC, NOT REPRESENTING THE COMMUNITY. MEANWHILE, YOU PERSONALLY DUMPED AT LEAST $2,000 INTO PATRICK PENNY FATHER'S CAMPAIGN, AND HE GOT CRUSHED BY MORE THAN 20%. YOU WEREN'T JUST INVESTED, YOU WERE ALL IN. SO SPARE US THE LECTURES. YOU PICKED YOUR GUY, YOU BANKROLLED HIM IN THIS COMMUNITY. SENT HIM PACKING. TODAY IS DAY ONE. SAMUEL'S LIBRARY IS OPERATING WITHOUT A SINGLE DOLLAR OF COUNTY FUNDING. AND YET IT'S STILL STANDING BECAUSE THIS COMMUNITY REFUSED TO LET YOU DESTROY IT. YOU TRIED TO HAND IT TO LYONS, A PRIVATE COMPANY WITH NO TRANSPARENCY AND NO CONNECTION TO WARREN COUNTY. BUT YOU HAD NO LIBRARY TO GIVE THEM. SO NOW YOU'VE LOST THE TRUST OF THE COMMUNITY. LOST TWO PRIMARY ELECTIONS, LOST LESSONS, AND LOST THE RFP. THERE IS NO PENDING LAWSUIT. NO PLAN. JUST $1.024 MILLION IN PUBLIC FUNDS YOU'RE HOLDING HOSTAGE. IF YOU'RE WONDERING WHAT ACCOUNTABILITY LOOKS LIKE, START BY FUNDING THE LIBRARY INSTEAD. YOU'VE SPENT NEARLY 60,000 TAXPAYER DOLLARS CHASING AN IDEOLOGICAL CRUSADE, INCLUDING $1,030 YOU JUST LAST WEEK ON LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR A BOARD THAT HAS NO LIBRARY TO OVERSEE. THAT MONEY ISN'T YOURS. IT BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTY, TO THE FAMILIES, THE EDUCATORS, THE KIDS, THE READERS, THE PUBLIC. AND THEY HAVE TOLD YOU WHERE TO SPEND IT. YOU FAILED THIS COUNTY NOT BY MISTAKE, BUT BY DESIGN. YOU WENT AFTER THE ONE INSTITUTION THAT SERVES EVERYONE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T CONTROL IT. DISSOLVE THE BOOK BANNING WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD. IT HAS NO PURPOSE, NO CREDIBILITY, AND NO PUBLIC SUPPORT. IT WAS BUILT TO SEIZE CONTROL, AND IT FAILED. CALL SAMUELS, NEGOTIATE A NEW MOA. RESTORE FULL FUNDING. GIVE THEM EVERYTHING YOU OFFERED. LESS AND LESS. THE VOTERS SAW IT. THEY RESPONDED. AND WE ARE NOT DONE. THIS ISN'T THE END. IT'S THE WARNING SHOT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE, SIR. OKAY, SO THE NEXT ON THE AGENDA. MR. CHAIRMAN, CAN WE TAKE A QUICK BREAK? YES. SAY FIVE MINUTES. FIVE MINUTES. THANK YOU. SO PLEASE BE BACK AT FIVE MINUTES OF TEN. I IF YOU WOULD LET ME GO [G. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney] LATER. THAT GIVES MR. JAMISON TIME TO DO WHAT HE WANTS. OKAY. I'D APPRECIATE IT. WELL, HOW ABOUT IF WE START WITH DOCTOR JAMISON, THEN? OKAY. ON JUNE 11TH, I ATTENDED A TOWN HALL WHERE A CONSULTANT FOR THE FIRE AND RESCUE RESOURCES STUDY WAS REVIEWING THE PROCESS OF ASSESSING CAPACITIES FOR OUR SYSTEM. THIS WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR COMMUNITY INPUT, WHICH WAS WHICH IS GOOD. BUT I DID NOTE AT THE TIME THAT THE MORE PUBLIC INPUT SHOULD BE SOUGHT BECAUSE ATTENDANCE WAS PRETTY LIGHT. [02:50:01] I MET WITH OUR ASSEMBLYWOMAN DELEGATE OATES, WITH THE REPRESENTATIVE OF ONE OF OUR LARGER MANUFACTURERS IN THE INDUSTRIAL CORRIDOR, AND THAT GAVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HEAR WHAT SORT OF CHALLENGES THEY'RE FACING IN TERMS OF THE CURRENT LABOR MARKET, PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT WITH RESPECT TO RECRUITING WORKERS. IT WAS A REMINDER THAT WE HAVE A GENERAL SHORTAGE OF SKILLED LABOR, AND A VERY MUCH REINFORCES THE IMPORTANCE OF SUPPORTING VOCATIONAL OPTIONS FOR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. I JUNE 25TH, ATTENDED THE DEVELOPMENT REVIEW COMMITTEE TO HEAR ABOUT THE PROJECTS GOING ON AND UPCOMING IN THE COUNTY. I TRY TO MAKE THOSE MOST WEEKS. IT WAS A VERY LIGHT BRIEFING ON THE WATER STUDY BEING DONE BY THE TOWN AND IT LOOKS LIKE. AT LEAST FROM A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS, THAT SO FROM A PRINT. EXCUSE ME. FROM A PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS STANDPOINT, THE MACKAY SPRINGS SITE MAY NOT BE ECONOMICALLY VIABLE FOR USE AS A MUNICIPAL WATER SOURCE. I KNOW THAT MAY BE DISAPPOINTING NEWS FOR SOME PEOPLE, BUT I HAVE CONSTITUENTS IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT THAT ARE VERY INTERESTED IN PRESERVING THAT SPRING FROM COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. SO AT LEAST FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, THAT WAS POTENTIALLY POSITIVE. C TENTATIVE. JOINT SCHOOL BOARD. BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. WE GOT ANOTHER UPDATE ON THE SITUATION WITH THE TENNIS COURTS, WHICH ARE UNFORTUNATELY CLOSED NOW DUE TO SAFETY CONCERNS. OPTIONS HAVE BEEN DISCUSSED, AND IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN IF A PATH FORWARD CAN BE CHARTED. A TEMPORARY REPAIR OPTION THAT CAN LAST 2 TO 3 YEARS SEEMS MOST LIKELY. WHILE BUDGETING A GRANT AND GRANT APPLICATION, PROCESSES ARE EXPLORED IN MORE DETAIL. ALSO DURING THAT MEETING, MRS. SALEM FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD BROUGHT UP THE QUESTION ABOUT THE COUNTY MEALS TAX, AND THAT WAS APPROVED IN THE 2004 REFERENDUM. AND IN PARTICULAR, SHE'S POSING A QUESTION AS TO WHETHER THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS RECEIVING THE SUFFICIENT FUNDS FROM THAT. SO I THINK WE CAN EXPECT THAT THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO BRING THAT FORWARD FOR SOME DISCUSSION. SO I CAN KIND OF WATCH AND SEE ON THAT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR.. MR.. STANDBY. I'LL PASS TONIGHT, PLEASE. OKAY. MISS COOKE. NOTHING TO REPORT. OKAY. JUNE 4TH. I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING. JUNE 5TH, I ATTENDED THE WARREN COALITION CHEESY FUNDRAISER, WHICH WAS VERY FUNNY AND, WELL RUN ACTIVITY. THAT NIGHT, JUNE 7TH, I ATTENDED THE CLEAR HORIZON RIBBON CUTTING. CLEAR HORIZON IS A GROUP THAT WORKS WITH KIDS AND ADULTS ON DRUG ADDICTION AND DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE COMMUNITY. AND JUNE 9TH BROWNTOWN MEETING. AND THEN MY TRANSPORT OF MY GRANDSON TO THE SHERIFF'S CAMP. AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ALL THE DEPUTIES THAT ORGANIZED THAT FOUR DAY EVENT. HE HAD A GREAT TIME. I THINK ALL THE KIDS HAD A GREAT TIME AND REALLY APPRECIATE THE DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES, COMMUNITY SERVICES AND THINGS THAT YOU WENT OVER WITH THEM. JUNE 10TH, I ATTENDED A HIGH NOB MEETING, AND JUNE 11TH, I MET WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT STUDY GENTLEMAN, AND HAD DISCUSSION WITH HIM. THE COUNTY HAD THE EMPLOYEE PICNIC THAT DAY. WANT TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO EVERYONE WHO ORGANIZED THAT? AND CLAY'S BARBECUE. THAT ALSO HAPPENED TO BE MY 49TH ANNIVERSARY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF I EVER SAID HAPPY ANNIVERSARY TO MY HUSBAND, BUT BUSY DAY, JUNE 12TH. WE HAD A TOURISM COMMITTEE MEETING AND WE CONTINUE. WE MET AT THE AIRPORT. WE ARE TRYING TO MOVE AROUND AND SO THAT ALL THE COMMITTEE PEOPLE GET TO SEE THE AMENITIES THAT WE HAVE TO OFFER AND HELPS JIGGLE THE MIND ON OPPORTUNITIES THAT EACH OF THE LOCALITIES MIGHT BRING ABOUT. WE HAVE A LOT OF INTERESTING IDEAS. MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT. JUNE 13TH, I ATTENDED THE RALLY HERE IN THE PARKING LOT FOR SAMUEL'S LIBRARY AND JUNE 16TH COMMITTEE MEETING, WHICH DEALS WITH FUNDING FOR CHILDREN'S SERVICES NEEDS. JUNE 17TH WAS PRIMARY DAY AS WELL. IN JUNE 18TH WE HAD THE JOINT TOWN COUNTY TRANSPORTATION MEETING. THE VDOT WAS HERE. THERE WAS GOOD DISCUSSION. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WAS HERE. POINT OF REFERENCE, THOMPSON HOLLOW VDOT HAS PUT UP SIGNS. IT'S. WELL THE SIGNAGE IS IS WELL ON BOTH SIDES. [02:55:01] IT SAYS NO PARKING WITH A LITTLE CARD UNDERNEATH TOWING ZONE OR HOWEVER THEY'VE GOT IT. SO IF PEOPLE CONTINUE TO PARK WHERE THEY'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO PARK, IT'S NOT ANYBODY TRYING TO ATTACK THEM OR NOT BE FRIENDLY TO TOURISTS. IT'S SIMPLY A MATTER OF PEOPLE MAKING A CHOICE TO PARK WHERE IT'S ILLEGAL TO PARK. AND I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WOULD GO ANYWHERE ELSE AND BE ABLE TO PARK AND NOT EXPECT TO HAVE A CONSEQUENCE IF YOU'RE PARKING WHERE YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO. SO VDOT HAS SAID THEY ARE DONE. THEY'RE NOT DOING ANY MORE. THEY FEEL LIKE THEY'VE GOT IT ADEQUATELY COVERED. AND I THINK THE TOWING HAS GONE DOWN TREMENDOUSLY. BECAUSE OF THAT. I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING THAT NIGHT, JUNE 19TH. I ATTENDED THE JUNETEENTH CELEBRATION. WONDERFUL CELEBRATION UNTIL THE STORM CAME IN AND RAN US ALL OUT. I HAD JUNE 25TH. WE HAD THE JOINT COUNTY AND SCHOOL BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING. AND AS MISTER JAMISON SAID, THE INFRASTRUCTURE NEEDS OF THE SCHOOLS WERE DISCUSSED, THE TENNIS COURTS BEING A BIG ONE. AND THEY ARE DANGEROUS AT THIS POINT FOR PEOPLE TO USE. BUT WE'RE WE'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO GET THAT AT LEAST REPAIRED SO WE CAN GET THAT BACK OPEN. AND I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING AFTER THAT JUNE 27TH. I ATTENDED THE DUELING DISCO EVENT. FIRST ANNUAL PUT ON BY THE HEIKE KIDS FOUNDATION. AND WHAT AN EVENT THAT WAS. JUST WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT. I KNOW I'M TAKING UP ALL THE TIME, AND IT'S 10:00, BUT WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THAT AGAIN? DUELING DISCO. OKAY. IT WAS A DISCO DANCE CONTEST INVOLVED. AND THE LIST OF DISCO DANCERS WERE SERGEANT KRISTEN HADDOCK. MICHAEL WILLIAMS FOR ALL OFFICER LANDON WALLER. COLIN MILLER FROM THE WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. DAVID BEAM FROM OUR OWN. HE'S OUR BUILDING INSPECTOR HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. JOE PETTY, MANAGER OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE WINNER OF THE FIRST ANNUAL OLD HIKES KIDS FOUNDATION WAS OUR OWN TIMMY MALLORY FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. CONGRATULATIONS. WE GOT A BIG TROPHY, WHICH HE GETS TO HANG ON TO. THIS WAS A REALLY SPECIAL EVENT BECAUSE ALL THE MONEY IS TO GO TO KIDS IN NEED. THERE ARE KIDS THAT DON'T HAVE PERMANENT HOUSING THAT ARE CONSIDERED MCKINNEY-VENTO CHILDREN. EVEN IF THEY'RE LIVING IN A MOTEL ROOM, THEY'RE CONSIDERED HOMELESS. SO THIS WILL GIVE THESE CHILDREN WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A DAY WHERE THEY GET TO SHOP. THEY GET A STIPEND. I'M NOT SURE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, SO I DON'T WANT TO SAY. BUT THEY WILL GET A STIPEND TO BUY BRAND NEW CLOTHES FOR SCHOOL. AND THEN THERE'S AN ALLOTMENT. YOU CAN BUY A HEART THAT THESE CHILDREN ALL MADE. A HEART. YOU GET TO BUY THE HEART, AND THEN YOU GET A HEART THAT THEY MADE FOR YOU TO TAKE HOME, AND THAT MONEY GOES TO THEM. IF THEY NEED A NEW PAIR OF SHOES, THEY NEED A HAIRCUT, WHATEVER THEY NEED THROUGH THE SCHOOL YEAR, THEY'VE GOT A BANK ACCOUNT THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THEIR NEEDS. THAT EVENT, INCLUDING A CAR. AND I'M NOT NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW THE CAR IS GOING TO BE HANDLED. RAISED 101,000 $442,000. I, I CAN'T EVEN NAME ALL THE PEOPLE THAT SPONSORED AND INVOLVED, BUT IF YOU MISSED IT THIS YEAR, THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT AGAIN. AND I HIGHLY RECOMMEND GETTING INVOLVED IN IT. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS LITTLE THING CALLED MY THOUGHTS. SO I'VE GOT A FEW THINGS. SORRY. V DOT SUNDAY. LET'S SAY I WANT TO GO BACK TO I DID THE PEACE POLE DEDICATION AT SAMUELS ON THE 28TH, RENEWED MY LIBRARY CARD TODAY WITH MY TWO GRANDSONS, AND I WANT TO THANK CODY RAYMOND, VDOT SUPERINTENDENT, AND HIS CREW. I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY OF YOU LIVE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, BUT ON THURSDAY THE 26TH, BENTONVILLE WAS HIT WITH A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF RAINFALL, THREE PLUS INCHES IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. FLOODING WAS IMPACTFUL. ROADS WERE CLOSED. I MEAN, YOU COULDN'T PASS THEM. [03:00:02] SO PEOPLE WERE DOWN ON THE ONE PART. THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY IN AND ONE WAY OUT. AND THEY WERE STUCK IN THERE. VDOT CAME OUT, GOT THE ROADS AS OPEN AS THEY COULD. DURING THE NIGHT. THAT WAS ON THURSDAY. THEN WE HAD A REPEAT PERFORMANCE FROM MOTHER NATURE ON SUNDAY NIGHT AND ACTUALLY HAD 3 TO 5IN IN THE EXACT SAME SPOT. AND THE SAME ROADS WERE WASHED DOWN, ONLY WORSE. SO VDOT HAS BEEN WORKING DILIGENTLY TO AT LEAST GET THE ROADS PASSABLE. THEY'RE STILL WORKING ON THE RAIN EVENT THAT HIT BROWNSTOWN AND HOMINY HOLLER IN DIFFERENT AREAS. FRONT ROYAL A LITTLE OVER A MONTH AGO. THEY STILL ARE WORKING ON THAT. SO THE MOWING. I'M SURE PEOPLE HAVE NOTICED THAT THEY HAVEN'T GOT ALL THEIR MOWING DONE, BUT THEY'RE PRIORITIZING AND THEY'RE DOING THE BEST THEY CAN. THEY'RE VERY SHORTHAND. AND YOU KNOW, SO HAVE MERCY ON THEM AND TRY TO GIVE THEM A LITTLE GRACE. THEY ARE GOING TO GET BACK ON THE MOWING AND THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THESE. WE HAD AT MY HOUSE BEFORE I CAME TO THE MEETING, ANOTHER TWO, 2.5IN JUST THIS AFTERNOON. I APPRECIATE THE RAIN, BUT I. I WISH IT WOULD COME A LITTLE SPACED OUT BETTER. AND GOD HELP US IF WE GET A HURRICANE OVER US RIGHT NOW. MOWING. LET'S SEE RIVER ACCESS. DOCTOR DALY BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT SOMEONE CAME IN AND SAID THAT A GAME WARDEN TOLD THEM THEY HAD TO HAVE A PERMIT TO PUT A KAYAK IN AT THE INDIAN HOLLOW BOAT RAMP. THAT WAS A MISINFORMATION. THESE ARE. WE'VE GOT SOME YOUNG GAME WARDENS THAT ARE RIGHT OUT. AND THE LEGISLATORS BACK A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO DECIDED FOR REVENUE SOURCE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO REQUIRE YOU TO HAVE A PERMIT TO PUT IN A TWO, A KAYAK, A CANOE, BUT THEY HADN'T FIGURED OUT HOW THEY WERE GOING TO ENFORCE THAT. AND IF ANYBODY'S KAYAKED, CANOED OR FISHED ALONG THE SHENANDOAH RIVER, THERE'S HUNDREDS OF CANOES GOING DOWN EVERY DAY. PRIVATE CANOE COMPANIES, THE WHOLE WORKS, AND NOBODY COULD FIGURE OUT HOW ARE YOU GOING TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THEM HAVE A PERMIT? SO THEY WENT BACK AND THEY RESCINDED IT. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR THOSE THREE. IF YOU HAVE A FISHING POLE, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A FISHING LICENSE. IF YOU GO TO LAKE FREDERICK OR ANY OF THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESERVE OWNED LAKES, YOU DO HAVE TO HAVE A PERMIT FOR THOSE, BUT YOU DON'T GET ON THE SHENANDOAH RIVER AT ANY OF THE BOAT LANDINGS. AND I ALSO WANT TO REMIND PEOPLE, FIREMEN'S CARNIVAL STARTS. THE RELISH IS READY FOR SALE. I THINK IT STARTS TOMORROW. COMPANY TEN IS HAVING A BREAKFAST FUNDRAISER TO RAISE MONEY. JULY 5TH. AT THE COMPANY TEN NORTH WAREHAM FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY ELSE. I THINK SAMUELS IS HAVING A FUNDRAISER WITH COOL VINYL RECORDS AND STUFF. SATURDAY? SATURDAY FOR THE BREAKFAST HERE. AND I WANT TO WISH EVERYBODY HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY. BE SAFE WITH THOSE FIREWORKS. JERRY, YOU MISSED YOUR TIME OF GETTING UP HERE AND TELLING EVERYBODY WHAT TO DO WITH THOSE. SO MY THOUGHTS THE PAST TWO YEARS HAVE BEEN DIFFICULT YEARS FOR MANY IN OUR COMMUNITY. THE SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY ISSUE HAS BOTH TORN APART FRIENDSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS, BUT IT'S ALSO BUILT FRIENDSHIPS AND RELATIONSHIPS THAT MAY NEVER HAVE HAPPENED. THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN TORN APART BY GREED AND POWER WAY TOO LONG, AND I HAVE ATTENDED SEVERAL EVENTS RECENTLY THAT GIVE ME HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF MY COMMUNITY. THE JUNETEENTH EVENT BEING ONE LOOK AT THE STRUGGLES THAT WERE OVERCOME TO GET A FAIR AND EQUAL EDUCATION. THE RECENT CREATION OF A GRASSROOTS GROUP THAT IS INCLUSIVE AND DOESN'T ASK OR CARE WHICH YOUR POLITICAL CHOICE OF PARTY IS. JUST WANTS TO DO ITS BEST FOR EVERYONE. IN WARREN COUNTY, THE HIKES KIDS FOUNDATION AND HOW THIS COMMUNITY CAME TOGETHER IN A BIG WAY FOR THAT. THE RECENT PRIMARY THAT HAD RECORD TURNOUT AND SAID LOUDLY, WE WANT CHANGE. LAST WEEK, THIS BOARD VOTED TO PROVIDE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD, INSURANCE, LIBRARY COVERAGE. AND IF WE'RE SO CONCERNED THAT THIS BOARD NEEDS TO BE COVERED BY INSURANCE, THEN IT'S TIME TO RECONSIDER THIS BOARD ENTIRELY. I'VE DISAGREED WITH THE NEED OF THIS BOARD FROM DAY ONE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S OUR JOB AS THE ELECTED PEOPLE TO DO THE OVERSIGHT. I BELIEVE IT'S TIME TO STOP THIS CONTROVERSY. WORK TOGETHER TO COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY, INC.. SO I OFFER THE FOLLOWING MOTION THAT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, FINDING THAT THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD, [03:05:07] NO LONGER NECESSARY FOR THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY, DO HEREBY RESOLVE THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD BECAUSE WE'RE BETTER WHEN WE ARE TOGETHER. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MISS COLORS. IN THE INTEREST OF TIME, I HAVE NO REPORT TONIGHT, DOCTOR. DALY. NO REPORT, SIR. NO REPORT. SIR. I DIDN'T ASK YOU IF YOU HAD A REPORT. THE ANSWER IS THE SAME. OKAY. SO THE NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FOR THE JUNE 10TH SPECIAL MEETING. [H. Approval of Minutes - June 10th Special Meeting] DO I HAVE ANY ANY COMMENTS? I'M NOT GOING TO DO IT. NO. I'M SORRY. THERE WAS A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION. ARE WE GOING TO DOCTOR DALEY, SIR? OH, I WAS OUT OF ORDER. I DIDN'T TAKE IT AS A MOTION. I TOOK IT AS HER. I MEAN, IT WAS AS PART OF HER BOARD MEMBER COMMENTS. I MEAN, IF YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE A MOTION AND ADD SOMETHING TO THE AGENDA, THAT WAS NOT CLEAR TO ME, CAN I DO IT UNDER ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? WELL, YOU CAN. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. YES, BUT AS OUR RULES SAY, THAT ANYTHING THAT'S ADDED TO THE ADDITION TO THE AGENDA NEEDS TO BE UNANIMOUS. BUT, YES, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION AT THAT TIME. OKAY. OKAY. THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES. DO I HAVE ANY ANY COMMENTS? NOPE. OKAY. DO I HAVE ANY MOTION? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS WRITTEN. SECOND ROLL CALL, MRS. SCHOLARS. HI, MR. STEINMEIER. HI, MR. CHAIRMAN. HI, DOCTOR. JAMIESON. HI, MRS. COOK. HI. OKAY, SO NEW BUSINESS CONSENT AGENDA. [M. Consent Agenda] ARE THERE ANY ITEMS THAT THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE PULLED? I WOULD LIKE TO PULL ITEMS FIVE, SIX AND SEVEN. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM 13. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD LIKE TO PULL AND I'M TRYING TO FIND THE NUMBER FOR THE CONTRACT. OH. FIRST ONE. NUMBER ONE. WHICH ONE? NUMBER ONE. OKAY, SO NUMBER ONE. NUMBER FIVE. SIX AND SEVEN. AND NUMBER 13. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE THE CONSENT AGENDA? EXCEPT FOR ITEMS ONE, FIVE, SEVEN, FIVE, SIX, SEVEN AND 13. SO MOVED. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. COOK. HI. DOCTOR JAMISON. HI, MR. CHAIRMAN. HI, MR. MEYER. HI, MRS.. COLORS. HI. ALL RIGHT, SO THE FIRST ONE WITH CONTRACT [1. Contract - Berry, Dunn, McNeil & Parker, LLC for Professional Consulting Services - Alisa Scott, Finance Director] FOR BARRY DUNN LLC, PROFESSIONAL CONSULTING SERVICES. GOOD EVENING. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WELL? MY QUESTION. I WAS LOOKING IT OVER AND VAGUELY REMEMBER THE PRESENTATION THAT THAT WAS GIVEN ON THAT. I GUESS I JUST DIDN'T REALIZE HOW EXPENSIVE IT WAS GOING TO BE, SO I KIND OF LIKE TO KNOW WHAT WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE GOING TO GET FOR THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY DOWN THE ROAD. SURE. I THINK IT'S, WHAT, THREE PHASES OF IT? YES. THERE ARE THREE PHASES OF IT IN THE FIRST YEARS, 115. AND WE HAVE BUDGETED THAT IN THE ASSET REPLACEMENT FUND. SO THE FIRST PHASE IS GOING TO BE INFORMATION GATHERING. THE SECOND PHASE IS GOING TO BE PUTTING THINGS TOGETHER. HE'S GOING TO BE MEETING OR THE COMPANY IS GOING TO BE MEETING WITH EVERYBODY TO GATHER WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE. SO WHAT WE'RE GOING TO GET AS A RESULT OF THESE CONSULTING SERVICES IS A RECOMMENDATION NATION FOR A TECHNOLOGY COMPANY TO SERVE THE NEEDS [03:10:06] OF THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS INTEGRATING WITH OTHER SOFTWARES THAT CURRENTLY EXIST OR ARE BEING PROPOSED TO BE PURCHASED DOWN THE ROAD. SO DOES, YOU KNOW, IS THIS KIND OF LIKE HE'S A FINDER OF AFTER HE TALKS TO EVERYBODY AND GETS EVERYBODY'S INPUT? THEN HE GOES OUT AND FINDS WHAT FITS EVERYBODY'S NEEDS WITH WHAT WE HAVE OR AND KIND OF IS, IS THIS PRICE JUST THAT CONSULTING FEE OR IS THERE IN THAT AMOUNT PART OF THE PURCHASING PRICE OF WHATEVER THE RECOMMENDATION IS. SO THAT'S A IT'S JUST THE CONSULTING FEE. AFTER THE NEEDS ARE GATHERED, THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A SOLICITATION TOGETHER TO ASSIST THE COUNTY AND DECIDING ON WHAT WE WANT TO HAVE IN AN RFP. SO WE'RE GOING TO BE ISSUING A SEALED SOLICITATION FOR PROPOSALS. AND BASED UPON WHO RESPONDS TO THE RFP, THE COMPANIES THAT RESPOND. THE COUNTY WILL MAKE THE SELECTION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE CONSULTING SERVICE. ARE THERE NOT INTEGRATION SERVICES INVOLVED IN HERE? YES THERE ARE. THAT'S SO THAT'S THAT'S JUST RECOMMENDING SOME SYSTEM TO BUY. IT'S ACTUALLY PERFORMING INTEGRATION SERVICES, WHICH IS WHICH IS WHY IT'S IT'S THAT MUCH MONEY. RIGHT. AND IT'LL BE PART OF THE RFP. SO THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE RFP ARE THAT THEY INTEGRATE WITH THE EXISTING SERVICES OR THE PROPOSED SERVICES. SO THEY'RE PERFORMING A SUBSTANTIAL SERVICE BY INTEGRATING DISPARATE SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE. CORRECT. AND THERE'S IN THE LATER PHASES AS WELL. THERE'S PROJECT MANAGEMENT AND TRAINING. SO THAT THE USERS OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE CONFIDENT IN THEIR INTEGRATION AND DAILY USE. SO THESE THIS COMPANY WILL TEACH YOU HOW TO USE SOMEBODY ELSE'S INSTEAD OF THAT COMPANY. WHATEVER SOFTWARE SYSTEM IS BOUGHT, THEY DON'T SEND IN THEIR OWN PEOPLE. THAT IS VERY DONE. AND MCNEIL PARKER WILL DO THAT. THEY'RE GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT TRAINING SERVICES ARE PROVIDED BY THE BY THE COMPANY, BY THE COMPANY. RIGHT. IT JUST SEEMS LIKE AN AWFUL LOT OF MONEY, A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOMEBODY, THE ACTUAL PURCHASE OF THE SOFTWARE PROGRAM ITSELF. SO THAT IS AN ADDITIONAL COST. THAT'S WHAT SCARY BECAUSE IT IS THAT'S. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS IS A VERY LARGE PROJECT AND INTEGRATING WITH TWO OTHER OFFICES, AND THE INTEGRATION IS A COMPLEX PART. AND SO PART OF THE PROJECT MANAGEMENT ISN'T JUST TEACHING, YOU KNOW, STAFF AND MAKING SURE STAFF KNOWS HOW TO OPERATE THE NEW SOFTWARE. IT'S ALSO INTEGRATING WITH WHATEVER EXISTING SOFTWARE IS IN THE SYSTEM. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A CUSTOM WAY OF DOING THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH THE EITHER OLD OR NEW SYSTEM THAT'S COMING IN AT ONE OFFICE INTEGRATES WITH THE NEW SYSTEM COMING INTO THE FINANCE OFFICE. SO IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX THAN JUST ADDING A NEW SOFTWARE PACKAGE. SO NO, I MEAN, I GET THAT, BUT FROM WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, THIS IS A FINDER, NOT THE INTEGRATOR. YEAH. AGAIN, IT'S IT'S A VERY COMPLEX AMOUNT OF IT'S A VERY COMPLEX PROJECT BECAUSE YOU HAVE SOFTWARE THAT INVOLVES A FINANCE DEPARTMENT. YOU HAVE SOFTWARE THAT INVOLVES THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S OFFICE, AND YOU HAVE SOFTWARE THAT INVOLVES THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. NOW THIS IS TO SELECT SOFTWARE SPECIFICALLY FOR THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT. BUT AGAIN, THE INTEGRATION OF THOSE THREE SYSTEMS IS REALLY CRITICAL. AND YES, AND THAT IS IN THE IN THE FACE. THE INTEGRATION? YEAH. YEAH. IT'S NOT JUST. IT'S NOT JUST A FINDER. IT'S NOT JUST FINDING THE BEST PRODUCT THAT MEETS MEETS OUR NEEDS. THAT'S NOT WHAT THIS THIRD PHASE IS. IT'S ACTUALLY TECHNOLOGY PROFESSIONALS WHO ARE PERFORMING CODING, IF NECESSARY, BACK END INTEGRATION AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO IT'S IT'S IT'S A TECHNICAL SERVICE. OKAY. LIKE I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT I JUST ASKED THAT AND SHE SAID NOT. THEY ARE NOT THE ONES. THEY JUST MAKE SURE THE OTHERS DO IT. RIGHT. WELL WE NEED TO GET IT STRAIGHT. IS THERE OR IS THERE NOT INTEGRATION SERVICES INVOLVED IN PHASE THREE? THAT'S THERE IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT IN THAT. CORRECT. IF THE THIRD PHASE IS PROJECT MANAGEMENT, TO MAKE SURE THAT STAFF IS TRAINED, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE SOFTWARE'S THE SOFTWARE PACKAGES THAT WE HAVE EMPLOYED IN THE COUNTY ALL WORK TOGETHER PROPERLY. AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE COULD BUY A SYSTEM OFF THE SHELF, OFF THE SHELF FOR FINANCE, BUT IF IT DOES INTEGRATE WITH THE OTHER SYSTEMS, WE HAVE A REAL PROBLEM. THEN WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THESE SYSTEMS INTEGRATE. IT'S A LITTLE BIT BEYOND THE SCOPE OF STAFF SPECIFICALLY TO MAKE SURE OF THAT. YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON, A LOT, A LOT OF MOVING PARTS. [03:15:04] I DON'T BELIEVE THAT. WELL, LET ME STATE THIS. I WILL SAY THAT I TRULY BELIEVE THAT THERE'S SOME SUPPORT NEEDED IN THAT PROCESS. A GREAT DEAL OF SUPPORT FOR US. AND I THINK THIS IS A GREAT PACKAGE AND A GREAT WAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE GET SOFTWARE THAT TAKES US INTO THE FUTURE. RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE AWARE OF THE FACT THAT WE'RE, YOU KNOW, USING A VERY OUTDATED SYSTEM, AND WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE GET IN THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME AND GET OUR BIGGEST BANG FOR OUR BUCK. AND I THINK THIS COMPANY WILL HELP US WITH THAT GREATLY. I'M SORRY. SO THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE OF REPLACING OUR FINANCIAL SYSTEM. THAT IS MUCH THAT THAT I'M GOING TO TERM AS A LEGACY SYSTEM. YES. THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE. THIS IS THE FIRST PHASE THAT WE EXACTLY THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THREE AND A HALF YEARS. CORRECT. SO WE'RE FINALLY HERE. YES, YES. AND IN FUTURE BUDGET YEARS, YOU'LL SEE THE OTHER PHASES COST COME UP AS WELL. RIGHT. IN ADDITION TO THE RIGHT. AND TODD IS CORRECT. THIS IS A VERY COMPLEX INTEGRATION. YES. SO I'M GLAD WE'RE HERE. DO I HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICE AGREEMENT WITH BARRY DUNN, MCNEIL AND PARKER, LLC. I FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD, AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EITHER OF WHOM MAY ACT TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL. MRS.. COLLARS. HI. I KNOW WE NEED THIS SYSTEM BUT 549, ALMOST $550,000 JUST FOR SOMEBODY TO FIND STUFF BOTHERS ME. SO I'M GONNA KNOW MR. SANDMEIER. ALL RIGHT, MR. CHAIRMAN. ALL RIGHT, DOCTOR JAMISON. YEAH. I'M GOING TO REITERATE THAT IT'S NOT JUST A FINDER'S FEE. IT'S A IT'S A COMPLEX PROCESS WITH THREE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. AND THE WORK THEY DID AND THE REASON THEY WERE CHOSEN WAS BECAUSE THEY'VE DEMONSTRATED EXPERTISE IN HOW TO DO THIS. AND THIS COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE THE IT EXPERTISE ON ITS INTERNAL STAFF TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THIS KIND OF WORK. SO I'M AN I. MRS. COOK I. OKAY. NEXT IS ITEM NUMBER [5. New Road Naming Request for properties accessed off of Dogwood Farm Rd - Matt Wendling, Planning Director] FIVE, THE NEW ROAD NAMING FOR DOGWOOD FARM ROAD. YEAH, I PULLED THIS ONE FOR A COUPLE OF REASONS. ONE IS I THINK THE INDIVIDUAL CONSTITUENT IN QUESTION, IT'S DEMONSTRATED UNDUE BURDEN TO THEM WHEN THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT ABOUT THE LAW AND IF WE ARE GOING BEYOND WHAT THE STATE LAW REQUIRES. SO I WOULD LIKE TO PUSH THIS ONE AND I THINK JUST THIS ONE, BUT PUSH IT TO A WORK SESSION WITH A DISCUSSION ABOUT HOW WE GO ABOUT THESE RIGHT OF WAY TRIGGERS OVERALL FOR REVIEW AND RENAMING. ALL RIGHT. DO YOU WANT TO TAKE THEM, SIR? YEAH. THE TABLE TO GO TO A WORK SESSION. YEAH. SO ARE YOU MAKING A MOTION? YEAH, I WOULD MOVE THAT. WE TABLE M FIVE. UNTIL SUCH TIME AS WE CAN HAVE A WORK SESSION OVERALL ABOUT RIGHT OF WAY RENAMING THINGS. OKAY. AND DETERMINE THE BEST WAY TO FOLLOW STATE CODE AND MEET THE COUNTY'S NEEDS. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS. COOK. HI. DOCTOR JAMIESON. HI, MR. CHAIRMAN. HI, MR. STEINMEYER. HI, MRS. COLLINS. HI. OKAY. NUMBER SIX. [6. New Road Naming Request for properties accessed off of Wilson Lane - Matt Wendling, Planning Director] NEW ROAD NAMING REQUEST FOR WILSON LANE. DO I HAVE A DISCUSSION? I PULLED ALL THREE RENAMING REQUESTS, BUT THIS ONE I THINK WE COULD PROBABLY PASS THIS ONE. OR AT LEAST VOTE ON IT, OR THERE'S NO CONTENTION. NO, THERE'S NO CONTENTION. THERE'S NO QUESTION. YEAH. SO AS LONG AS. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE TO NAME THE ACCESS ROAD OFF WILSON LANE. PADRE PIO CHORD AS SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATION ENTITLED COUNTY OF WARREN PROPOSED NEW ROAD APPEAL COURT. I HAVE A SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS.. COLLINS. WAS THAT TO DENY THIS? NO. NO. TO TO APPROVE IT. TO APPROVE THE NAME CHANGE. YEAH. I. MR.. SANDMEIER I. MR. CHAIRMAN, I. DOCTOR JAMIESON I. MRS.. COOK I. [03:20:02] OKAY. NUMBER SEVEN NEW ROAD NAMING REQUEST FOR PROPERTIES OFF OF LOWER VALLEY ROAD. [7. New Road Naming Request for properties off of Lower Valley Road - Matt Wendling, Planning Director] YEAH, THIS ONE I INCLUDED IN THE POLL. BECAUSE IT IS CONTENTIOUS. AND THERE'S A QUESTION, I BELIEVE, ABOUT HOW MANY PROPERTIES ARE ACTUALLY POTENTIALLY USING THE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH WOULD THE WHOLE THIRD PROPERTY TRIGGER COULD HINGE ON THAT, RIGHT? YEAH. AND BASED ON, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TOPOLOGY OF, OF THE AREA, THERE'S ONLY TWO ADDRESSES THAT ARE BEING. THAT'S PART OF THIS RIGHT AWAY OKAY. AND WHERE THE CODE IS SAYS THREE OR MORE. AND SO IF THE TRIGGER IS IF IT'S THREE OR MORE THEN THIS RIGHT AWAY, NOT SO MUCH TO THE RIGHT OF WAY, IT WOULD BE THAT THE RESIDENCES WOULD HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR ADDRESSES. AND SO THIS PARTICULAR ONE DOESN'T REALLY COMPLY WITH THE WITH THE CODE AS WRITTEN. SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? AND AND BEFORE YOU ASK FOR A MOTION, YOU KNOW, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT ME BEING TESTIFIED ON A COURT, AND I WAS SUBPOENAED. I DID I WAS NOT VOLUNTARILY A WITNESS OR TO TESTIFY IN THIS COURT HEARING. I WAS SUBPOENA AND I WAS DOING MY COURT, YOU KNOW, MY MY DUTY. OKAY. AND ALSO, AS A RESULT, I WAS NEVER CALLED TO THE STAND AT ALL. IT WAS RESOLVED BEFORE I EVEN SAID ANYTHING. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO CAN I INTERJECT BRIEFLY? THERE IS NO ALTERNATE MOTION. SO I THINK IF SOMEONE WANTED TO MAKE A MOTION, THAT WOULD BE THE CONTRARY WOULD BE I MOVE THAT THE BOARD TAKE NO ACTION AT THIS TIME. YEAH. I DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S AN APPLICANT NECESSARILY. BUT TO BE NO ACTION AT THIS TIME. YEAH. YES. IT'S THE RIGHT THING. THE APPLICANT HERE. ALL RIGHT. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. SO THAT WOULD BE THE RECOMMENDED MOTION FOR THIS. THAT AT THIS TIME, THERE IS NO ACTION. I'M NOT RECOMMENDING THE MOTION. OH, OKAY. I'M SORRY. YOU DO WHAT YOU LIKE, BUT. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THESE SCRIPTED MOTIONS, AND THERE ISN'T ONE TO DENY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S REALLY AS SIMPLE AS YOU KNOW. NO. NO MOTION IS MADE AND NO ACTION IS TAKEN. BUT IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING TONIGHT, THAT'S WHAT I WOULD DO. RIGHT. BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE MOTION HERE. CORRECT. THAT'S WHY THAT'S WHY WE HAVE. YES. I'M NOT SUGGESTING A COURSE OF ACTION. I WOULD MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS FOR DISCUSSION LIKE WE DID THE PRIOR ONE. ALL RIGHT. DO I HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. MRS. COOK. WHAT'S THAT? OH. CAN YOU TURN AROUND? I WAS TRYING TO WRITE A MOTION. OKAY, SO YOU'RE GOING TO. MR. HAMILTON, WHAT ARE YOU. RIGHT. SO WELL, SO I HAVE TO DENY THE MOTION. A MOTION HAS ALREADY BEEN MADE, BUT WE HAVE A MOTION THAT I CHOOSE. BUT I DON'T WANT TO TABLE IT. I WANT TO TAKE NO ACTION. WE'VE ALREADY SAY NO. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. IT'S BEEN. I MADE THE MOTION OF MR. BUTLER. SECONDED. SO IT HAS TO BE VOTED ON. YEAH. SO, MY MY. NO, IT'S IT'S. NO. YEP. SO YOUR VOTE. I SAID NO NOT TO TABLE IT. ALL RIGHT. YES. NO I. NO I. OKAY. SO. SO WE ARE NOT GOING TO TABLE IT. SO. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION BEFORE WE DO, I JUST WANT TO MAKE A NOTE THERE THAT I'M READING THAT I'M READING THE TEXT OF THE STATUTE AND IT SAYS PRIVATE PLAT OF PRIVATE ROAD NAMES ON RIGHT OF WAY ACCESS ROADS SERVING THREE OR MORE RESIDENCES. AND THIS THIS CASE HAS INVOLVES TWO RESIDENCES. SO I DON'T I JUST DON'T SEE HOW IT EVEN APPLIES TO THE STATUTE. THAT'S WHY I DON'T I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS THE ONE THAT WE TABLED. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? [03:25:05] WELL, I'D JUST LIKE TO IF, IF WITH THE GENTLEMAN SAID IS THAT HE DOES NOT HAVE A DEDICATED ENTRANCE OFF OF FORT VALLEY ROAD BECAUSE THERE WAS NONE APPLIED THEN HE DOES NOT HAVE AN ADDRESS. SO WHEN 911 IS, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY CONCERN. YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WHOLE REASON WE DO THIS IS FOR 911 EMERGENCY ACCESS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO PEOPLE QUICKLY AND EFFICIENTLY. IF VDOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE A TRUE ADDRESS ON FORT VALLEY, THEY CAN'T USE THAT. AND NOW WE'RE GOING TO PUT THEM ON A ROAD THAT DOESN'T. AND WE TABLED ONE BECAUSE OF IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM FAIR. WHAT IF YOU KNOW, JUST AS A, AN OPTION, THERE IS AN ENTRANCE, THERE'S AN ENTRANCE, THERE IS AN ENTRANCE. RIGHT. THERE IS AN ADDRESS ON FORT VALLEY ROAD, BUT THE RESIDENT AT 19 FOUR, 71 ALSO DOES HAVE LEGAL ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. THAT'S CORRECT. SO THEY COULD ALWAYS, INSTEAD OF RENAMING THAT RIGHT OF WAY TO BE CEDAR TREE LANE, BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY TWO HOMES USING IT, YOU COULD STILL HAVE IT JUST BE LOWER VALLEY ROAD AND GIVE, GIVE THE 19471 71 FORT VALLEY ROAD PROPERTY, A NEW ADDRESS ON LOWER VALLEY ROAD WHICH WOULD ACHIEVE THE 911 GOAL. IT JUST WOULDN'T BE CEDAR LANE, IT WOULD BE LOWER LOWER VALLEY ROAD. SO NO, NO. SO ABOUT THAT. THAT'S TRUE. NOT TRUE. YEAH. EXCUSE ME SIR THAT INFORMATION. SO SO ANYWAY I'M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION. WE HAVE INFORMATION IN THE PACKET THAT SHOWS THAT HAS THE FORT VALLEY ADDRESS. YEAH. AND WE HAVE A STATUTE THAT SAYS OTHER RIDER. WE ACCESS ROADS SERVING THREE OR MORE RESIDENCES. AND THERE ARE TWO HERE. AND WE HAVE A JUDGE THAT THAT SETTLED THE CASE THAT SAID THEY HAVE ACCESS TO THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO AND WE HAVE AND WE HAVE INFORMATION THAT E911 CAN, CAN BE SET EVEN FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY. SO IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING IS IN PLACE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHY THIS STATUTE ACTUALLY APPLIES. BASED ON THE INFORMATION WE'VE BEEN GIVEN. SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND MAKE MY MOTION THEN I THAT I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION THAT THE BOARD TAKES NO ACTION ON THIS ITEM. IS THAT SUFFICIENT? THANK YOU. DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. MRS.. COLLARS. NO. MR. SANDMEIER. HI, MR. CHAIRMAN. HI, DOCTOR. JAMISON. HI, MRS. COOK. HI. I DO HAVE A QUICK QUESTION FOR COUNCILOR HAM. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TABLING IT AND NO ACTION? HERE. THIS IS THE ROAD NAMING STUFF IS. I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S SOMEONE THAT ONCE THAT'S DONE. BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT LIKE A REZONING WHERE YOU'VE GOT AN APPLICANT. THIS IS ORIGINATED WITH COUNTY STAFF. AND SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY THERE'S ONLY THE PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED MOTION TO DO IT. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE. ALL RIGHT. NEXT WE HAVE NUMBER 11 AUTHORIZED TO. [13. Cancellation of RFP for Library Services - Jason Ham, County Attorney] NO. I'M SORRY. NUMBER 13, CANCELLATION OF RFP FOR LIBRARY SERVICES. DISCUSSION. YES. OKAY, SO I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE MOTION. AND THEN ACTUALLY, I JUST MAKE MY COMMENTS FIRST. I HAVE SOME PREPARED COMMENTS. THE WITHDRAWAL OF THE PROPOSAL MEANS THAT COUNTY WARREN COUNTY FACES A CLEAR CHOICE. SAMUELS LIBRARY, INC. WILL BE OUR LIBRARY SERVICES PROVIDER. THE ONLY QUESTION TO BE RESOLVED IS WHETHER IT WILL OPERATE AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY OR A PRIVATE LIBRARY. A CANDIDATE RECENTLY STATED THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHOULD NOT PRIVATIZE THE LIBRARY, AND HE SAID THAT SAMUELS BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE. THIS IS TRULY ORWELLIAN. DOUBLE SPEAK, FOR SAMUEL IS IN FACT A PRIVATE LIBRARY COMPANY THAT HAS ABSOLUTE GOVERNANCE AUTHORITY OVER PUBLICLY FUNDED SERVICES. IN OTHER WORDS, THIS BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COULD NOT PRIVATIZE THE LIBRARY BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY PRIVATIZED, WITH SAMUEL AS ITS OPERATOR. IN THE DYSTOPIAN NOVEL 1984 BY GEORGE ORWELL. [03:30:06] THE TOTALITARIAN REGIME USES SLOGANS LIKE WAR AS PEACE AND FREEDOM OF SLAVERY TO DELIBERATELY INVERT REALITY AND CAUSE CITIZENS TO QUESTION BASIC TRUTH. HERE WE SEE THE SAME TECHNIQUE CALLING PUBLIC GOVERNANCE THROUGH A PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD. PRIVATIZATION ON THE BASIS OF USING A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR TO PROVIDE THE SERVICES, WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY CLAIMING THAT THE ACTUAL PRIVATIZED LIBRARY OPERATION OF SAMUEL'S PRIVATE CONTROL OVER PUBLIC FUNDS IS SOMEHOW PUBLIC. THE FACT IS THAT SEAMLESS IS A PRIVATE, NONPROFIT NON STOCK CORPORATION WHICH APPLIED FOR A FICTITIOUS NAME CERTIFICATE ONLY IN 2024 TO BE ABLE TO LEGALLY USE THE NAME SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY. IT GREATLY ENHANCES THEIR ABILITY TO ACCOMPLISH THIS OBFUSCATION. THEY CAN LITERALLY USE THE WORD PUBLIC IN THEIR ASSUMED NAME WHILE OPERATING AS A PRIVATE ENTITY AND CLAIMING TO OWN TAXPAYER ASSETS. SPEAKING OF TAXPAYER FUNDING ASSETS, IT WAS ALSO ORWELLIAN TO DOUBLE SPEAK TO SAY THAT SAMUELS BELONGS TO THE PEOPLE. WHEN SAMUEL SAYS EXPLICITLY STATED THAT IT PRIVATELY OWNS THE LIBRARY ASSETS AS A PRIVATE NONPROFIT NON STOCK CORPORATION, EVERY DONATION TO SAMUEL SINCE 1977 WAS SOLICITED FOR THE EXPRESS PURPOSE OF RUNNING A PUBLIC LIBRARY IN WARREN COUNTY. NOT A PRIVATE LIBRARY. NOT TO SEND TO SOME OTHER TYPE OF CHARITY OR SOME OTHER COUNTY. WHEN SAMUELS MODIFIED ITS GOVERNING DOCUMENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR AFTER THE LAWFUL CREATION OF THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD, IT EXCLUDED WARREN COUNTY FROM ITS DISSOLUTION CLAUSE AND DID SO WITH THE SPECIFIC INTENT TO CREATE A DEFENSIVE MEASURE TO PREVENT PUBLIC GOVERNANCE FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED. THIS REPRESENTS THE ULTIMATE ORWELLIAN INVERSION, CLAIMING PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF PUBLIC ASSETS WHILE CALLING THEMSELVES A PUBLIC LIBRARY. THIS IS NOT OCEANA IN A DYSTOPIAN NOVEL, BUT THIS IS DOUBLESPEAK BEING LOUDLY PROMOTED IN WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA, AND THE DOUBLESPEAK IS PRIVATE. IS PUBLIC, OR IS IT PUBLIC? IS PRIVATE. AS INTENDED, THE DOUBLESPEAK IS CONFUSING. WHAT IS NOT CONFUSING IS THE NEED FOR CLARITY. EITHER SAMUELS OPERATES AS A TRULY PUBLIC LIBRARY WITH PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, OR AS A PRIVATE LIBRARY WITH PRIVATE FUNDING. I'M GOING TO EXAMINE FOUR KEY QUESTIONS THAT WILL HELP DETERMINE WHICH PATH FORWARD SERVES WARREN COUNTY BEST, ULTIMATELY, IS GOING TO BE UP TO THE SAMUELS TRUSTEES TO DECIDE WHETHER WE WANT TO BE A PUBLIC LIBRARY OR PRIVATE LIBRARY, AND I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT THAT THE GENERAL PUBLIC KNOWS WHAT SEPARATES THE TWO. THE FIRST QUESTION. EXCUSE ME. PLEASE. PLEASE. FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT OF PUBLIC FUNDS. PLEASE KEEP YOUR COMMENTS SO THAT THEY DON'T DISTURB OR DISTRACT. THANK YOU. OKAY. WILL SAMUELS ACCEPT REAL PUBLIC FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT OF PUBLIC FUNDS? I'M USING THE TERMS REAL FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT AND REAL TRANSPARENCY, BECAUSE THIS MEANS NOT SELECTIVELY CONTROLLED BY SAMUELS. THE FOIA REQUESTED INFORMATION, FOR EXAMPLE, WAS NOT CONTROLLABLE BY SAMUELS, WHEREAS THE PREPARED REPORTS FOR THEIR PUBLIC INFORMATION MEETINGS HELD OVER THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS HAS BEEN ALL SELECTIVELY CONTROLLED. WHEN SAMUELS RECEIVES 93.4% OF THEIR BUDGET FROM PUBLIC FUNDS, AND THIS IS FROM THEIR IRS 990 FORMS FOR THE PAST 20 PLUS YEARS. IS FULL FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY OPTIONAL? IN A MARCH 31ST LETTER TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE SAMUELS TRUSTEE SAID, AND I QUOTE, WE ARE MORE THAN HAPPY TO COMPLY WITH INFORMATION REQUESTS FROM THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. YOU NEED ONLY ASK. THIS WAS AFTER THEY HAD SUED WARREN COUNTY IN A FAILED ATTEMPT TO TRY TO PREVENT A PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD FROM BEING ESTABLISHED, A BOARD WHICH HAS THE TASK OF, AMONG OTHER THINGS, FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT. ONE MONTH AFTER RECEIVING THAT LETTER, WE DID ASK FOR INFORMATION THROUGH A NUMBER OF FOIA REQUESTS SENT BY THE CLERK OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. THE REPLY CAME BACK ON MAY 7TH IN TWO PARTS. FIRST, THE ANSWER WAS NO BECAUSE WARREN COUNTY IS NOT A CITIZEN OF THE COMMONWEALTH. AND SECONDLY, IT WOULD BE $10,487.60 A PRECISION ESTIMATE TO THE NEAREST $0.10. IF THEY DID PROVIDE THE INFORMATION, DESPITE REQUIREMENTS THAT FOIA SHALL BE LIBERALLY CONSTRUED TO PROMOTE INCREASED AWARENESS. AND DESPITE HAVING 37 DAYS EARLIER SAID, YOU NEED ONLY ASK. SAMUEL SLAMMED THE DOOR IN REAL TRANSPARENCY. DOES IT STRIKE ANYONE AS AWKWARD OR INAPPROPRIATE? THE SAMUELS WANTS OVER $1 MILLION OF WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYER FUNDING, BUT WILL NOT PROVIDE REQUESTED FINANCIAL INFORMATION WHEN ASKED, ESPECIALLY AFTER BEING INVITED TO DO SO. WHAT WOULD EXAMPLES OF ISSUES THAT CALL FOR REAL TRANSPARENCY BE? [03:35:07] ONE WOULD BE THE RECEIPT OF $138,000 AND SEVEN $138,700 IN COVID PAYCHECK PROTECTION PROGRAM FUNDS IN 2021. ONE. THE COUNTY FULLY FUNDED SAMUELS THROUGHOUT THE COVID PANDEMIC, MEANING THERE WAS NO APPARENT LOSS OR RISK OF LOSS OF PAYROLL FUNDS TO SAMUEL'S. SAMUEL'S LATER APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED LOAN FORGIVENESS FOR THE FULL AMOUNT. THIS RAISES SERIOUS QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROPER USE OF FEDERAL FUNDS INTENDED FOR BUSINESSES FACING EMPLOYEE JOB LOSSES, WHETHER THESE FUNDS WERE APPROPRIATELY OBTAINED. GIVEN THAT WARREN COUNTY MAINTAINED FULL FUNDING THROUGHOUT THE PANDEMIC. THIS SEEMS LIKE A HARSH CONCLUSION. BUT WOULDN'T WOULD IT NOT HAVE BEEN SIMPLE FOR SAMUEL'S TO JUST DISCLOSE THE INFORMATION REQUESTED IN THE FOIA, RESOLVE ANY DOUBTS RATHER THAN DENY THE REQUEST AND KEEP IT HIDDEN? ANOTHER SERIOUS ISSUE THAT REMAINS OBSCURED FROM OPEN VIEWS. THE HANDLING OF THE $6.5 MILLION THAT WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYERS TRANSFERRED TO SAMUEL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE NEW LIBRARY, AND A HIGHLY IRREGULAR AND POSSIBLY ILLEGAL FINANCIAL MANEUVER, THE COUNTY USED THE INVESTMENT ACCOUNT OF A PRIVATE COMPANY, SAMUEL'S, AS A SAVINGS ACCOUNT FOR FUTURE CAPITAL PROJECT MEETINGS. MEETING MINUTES FROM THE TIME REVEAL THAT SUPERVISORS INTENDED TO PREVENT FUTURE BOARDS FROM CHANGING THEIR MINDS ABOUT THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. THE ONLY RECORDS THE COUNTY HAS OF THESE MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IS THEIR TRANSFER TO SAMUELS OVER A THREE YEAR PERIOD. IN THEIR MARCH 31ST LETTER TO THE SUPERVISORS, SAMUEL SAYS AND QUOTING THE ORIGINAL ALLOCATION FOR $7 MILLION WAS NOT NEEDED AS THE BUILDING CAME IN ON TIME AND UNDER BUDGET. THANKS TO EFFICIENT PLANNING AND MANAGEMENT, THE PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THAT THE FIRST PART IS NOT TRUE AND THE SECOND PART IS UNDOCUMENTED. ALLOCATION IS NOT A WORD USED IN THE BUDGETING PROCESS. THE COUNTY BUDGET PROCESS IS AN ANNUAL PROCESS WHERE BUDGETS ARE ESTABLISHED AND THEN APPROPRIATIONS FOLLOW UP. THERE WAS NEVER ANY COUNTY BUDGET ITEM FOR OR APPROPRIATION FOR THE NEW LIBRARY, NOT $7 MILLION OR ANY OTHER AMOUNT. BUT THERE'S ANOTHER PROBLEM. WELL, SAMUELS REFUSED TO FULFILL THE COUNTY'S FOUR YEAR REQUEST FOR CONSTRUCTION BID DOCUMENTS AND PROJECT CHANGE ORDER RECORDS. A CONSTITUENT OF MINE HAPPENED TO HAVE ASKED FOR SIMILAR INFORMATION IN THEIR OWN FOIA REQUEST, AND SAMUEL'S DELIVERED THE BID DOCUMENTS TO THEM. AS A RESULT, WE CAN SEE THAT THE FULL SITE DEVELOPMENT AND BUILDING CONSTRUCTION BIDS WERE JUST OVER $5 MILLION, AND WE KNOW FROM COUNTY RECORDS THAT $6.4 MILLION WAS TRANSFERRED TO SAMUEL'S FOR THE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT. WE ALSO KNOW FROM COUNTY RECORDS AND IRS NINE 90S THAT THE ARCHITECT FEES WERE DOUBLE THE AUTHORIZED AMOUNT AT $1.4 MILLION. DELTA ON A CONSTRUCTION PROJECT IS A 28% COST OVERRUN FROM BID AMOUNTS. IT IS POSSIBLE THAT PROJECT CHANGE ORDERS OR CHANGE ORDERS ACCOUNTED FOR THE DIFFERENCE. BUT WHY REFUSE THE DOCUMENTATION? PUT THE QUESTION NOT WHY NOT? WHY REFUSE TO PROVIDE THE DOCUMENTATION AND JUST PUT THE QUESTIONS TO REST? A TRANSPARENT PARTNER WOULD NOT HESITATE TO PROVIDE THESE RECORDS. INCIDENTALLY, THE FOIA BILL FROM MY CONSTITUENT WAS $133 FOR INFORMATION RETRIEVED FROM 2006, WHICH SAMUELS GRACIOUSLY AGREED TO WAIVE FOR THEM IF ONLY THE COUNTY WOULD BE SO FORTUNATE. OTHER EXAMPLES OF OPERATIONAL FINANCIAL OVERSIGHT RELATE TO THE STAFFING COSTS. SAMUEL SPENDS 25% MORE ON STAFFING AS A PERCENTAGE OF BUDGET THAN EFFICIENT NEARBY LIBRARIES, WITH PER CAPITA STAFFING COSTS 58% HIGHER THAN NEARBY LIBRARIES. THEY EMPLOY TWO DIRECTORS FOR A POPULATION OF 42,000, WHILE NEARBY HANDLEY SERVES 147,000 WITH A DIRECTOR AND ASSISTANT DIRECTOR. A PER CAPITA EXPENSE FOR TOP MANAGERS 3.4 TIMES HIGHER. THE SECOND QUESTION. THE SECOND FUNDAMENTAL QUESTION IS CAN ASSETS OF A PUBLIC LIBRARY BE PRIVATELY OWNED? WHEN SAMUELS MODIFIED ITS GOVERNING DOCUMENTS EARLIER THIS YEAR, FOLLOWING THE LAWFUL CREATION OF THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD, IT EXCLUDED WARREN COUNTY FROM ITS DISSOLUTION CLAUSE, AND IT DID SO WITH THE SPECIFIC INTENT TO CREATE A DEFENSIVE MEASURE TO PREVENT PUBLIC GOVERNANCE FROM BEING IMPLEMENTED. THIS CORPORATE MANEUVERING REPRESENTS A FUNDAMENTAL CONTRADICTION. CLAIMING PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF PUBLIC ASSETS WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY OPERATING UNDER THE NAME PUBLIC LIBRARY UNDER VIRGINIA'S CHARITABLE TRUST DOCTRINE. 100% OF LIBRARY ASSETS BELONG TO WARREN COUNTY, BECAUSE 100% OF THE FUNDS WERE SOLICITED AND DONATED FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY PURPOSES. SINCE SAMUEL'S MISSION AND ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION SPECIFY PROVIDING LIGHT PROVIDING LIBRARY SERVICES TO WARREN COUNTY AND BOTH THE 93.4% OF UNRESTRICTED PUBLIC FUNDING AND THE BALANCE OF PRIVATE FUNDING WERE GIVEN FOR THAT SAME PURPOSE. ALL ASSETS ARE HELD IN CHARITABLE TRUST FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY PURPOSES, WITH THE NOTABLE EXCEPTION OF ANY DONATIONS OR GRANTS MADE ON A RESTRICTED BASIS THAT [03:40:03] SPECIFIED OTHERWISE. ACCORDING TO THEIR LATEST AUDIT. RESTRICTED DONATIONS AMOUNT TO LESS THAN $50,000, WHILE RESTRICTED GRANTS LIKE THE MELLON GRANT OBTAINED LAST YEAR REMAIN SUBJECT TO THEIR SPECIFIC TERMS. IN ADDITION TO THE CHARITABLE TRUST DOCTRINE, WHEN AN ORGANIZATION RECEIVES THIS LEVEL OF PUBLIC FUNDING OVER DECADES, THE LEGAL PRINCIPLE OF BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP APPLIES. WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYERS HOLD THE TRUE OWNERSHIP INTEREST IN THESE ASSETS, REGARDLESS OF WHOSE NAME APPEARS ON THE CORPORATE DOCUMENTS. THIS MODIFICATION OF THEIR GOVERNING DOCUMENTS VIOLATED VIRGINIA'S CHARITABLE TRUST DOCTRINE, WHICH REQUIRES THAT ASSETS ACCEPTED BY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION MUST ONLY BE USED EXPRESSLY FOR THE EXPRESSLY DECLARED CHARITABLE PURPOSES OF THE ORGANIZATION AT THE TIME OF ACCEPTANCE. WHILE THE AMENDED DISSOLUTION CLAUSE MAY STILL REFERENCE GENERIC TAX EXEMPT PURPOSES, IT IMPROPERLY REMOVES WARREN COUNTY AS THE SPECIFIC BENEFICIARY OF ASSETS THAT WERE DONATED AND FUNDED SPECIFICALLY FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY SERVICES. THE CHARITABLE TRUST DOCTRINE PROHIBITS ORGANIZATIONS FROM UNILATERALLY CHANGING THE DESTINATION OF CHARITABLE ASSETS AWAY FROM THEIR ORIGINAL INTENDED PURPOSE AND BENEFICIARY, EVEN IF THE NEW DESTINATION WOULD ALSO QUALIFY AS TAX EXEMPT. BY ATTEMPTING TO DIVERT THESE ASSETS AWAY FROM WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC LIBRARY SERVICES. THEIR VERY PURPOSE FOR WHICH THEY WERE DONATED AND FOR WHICH SAMUELS RECEIVED TAX EXEMPT STATUS. THIS AMENDMENT REPRESENTS AN UNLAWFUL ATTEMPT TO BREACH THE CHARITABLE TRUST THAT GOVERNS ALL NONPROFIT ASSETS. THE IRONY OF THIS SITUATION CANNOT BE OVERSTATED. FEMA HAS ENGAGED IN THESE LEGALLY QUESTIONABLE MANEUVERS, REMOVING WARREN COUNTY FROM THEIR DISSOLUTION CLAUSE, CLAIMING OWNERSHIP OF PUBLICLY OWNED ASSETS, PUBLICLY FUNDED ASSETS, AND REFUSING PUBLIC GOVERNANCE, ALL WHILE POSITIONING THEMSELVES AS VICTIMS REQUIRING LEGAL PROTECTION AND PUBLIC SYMPATHIES. YET THE REALITY IS THAT SEAMLESS IS A PRIVATE SUPPLICANT SEEKING OVER $1 MILLION IN PUBLIC FUNDING, AND WARREN COUNTY IS IN THE IS THE FUNDING AUTHORITY WITH THE DISCRETION TO GRANT THE REQUEST. THERE IS NO LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR WARREN COUNTY TO LITIGATE AGAINST SAMUELS TO ESTABLISH THESE BASIC PRINCIPLES REGARDING CHARITABLE TRUSTS AND BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP. THE LAW IS CLEAR, AND WARREN COUNTY NEED NOT WASTE TAXPAYER MONEY ON LITIGATION TO PROVE WHAT LEGAL PRECEDENT ALREADY ESTABLISHES. THE QUESTION THAT SHOULD CONCERN EVERY TAXPAYER IS THIS WHAT GIVES A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION SEEKING PUBLIC FUNDS? THE APPEARANCE OF LEVERAGE TO DICTATE TERMS TO THE FUNDING AUTHORITY, TO REFUSE ACCOUNTABILITY AND GOVERNANCE MEASURES, AND TO CLAIM OWNERSHIP OF TAXPAYER FUNDED ASSETS? THE ANSWER IS NOTHING. SAMUELS HAS NO ACTUAL LEVERAGE. THEIR ENTIRE STRATEGY DEPENDS ON CREATING A FALSE IMPRESSION THAT WARREN COUNTY MUST EITHER ACCEPT THEIR TERMS OR ENGAGE IN COSTLY LITIGATION. THIS MANEUVERING REPRESENTS AN INVERSION OF THE NORMAL FUNDING RELATIONSHIP, WHERE ORGANIZATIONS SEEKING PUBLIC SUPPORT TYPICALLY DEMONSTRATE ENHANCED ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, NOT RESISTANCE TO OVERSIGHT. TRY TO APPLY THE SITUATION TO ANY OTHER PUBLICLY FUNDED SERVICE. SUPPOSE THE PARKS AND REC DEPARTMENT DISAGREED WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR STAFFING LEVELS AND THE FINANCIAL REPORTING HE ASKED FOR. AS A RESULT, THE DIRECTOR ANNOUNCES THAT THE POOL, THE BALL FIELDS, PARK PAVILIONS AND EVERYTHING THAT THE DEPARTMENT MANAGES ARE NOW PROPERTY OF PARKS AND REC AND WILL BE OPERATED ACCORDING TO THE DIRECTOR'S PREFERENCES. HOW LONG WOULD THAT STAND? NOT EVEN A DAY, I SUSPECT. ANOTHER EXAMPLE WOULD BE IF I SENT MY KID TO THE STORE TO BUY $20 WITH $20 TO BUY MILK AND EGGS, AND HE LATER SEES HIS BROTHER DRINKING THE MILK, AND HE CAN'T CLAIM THE MILK BELONGS TO HIM. IT BELONGS TO THE FAMILY THAT PROVIDED MONEY FOR THE SPECIFIC PURPOSE TO FEED THE FAMILY. YET THIS IS PRECISELY WHAT SAMUELS IS ATTEMPTING. CLAIMING OWNERSHIP OF ASSETS PURCHASED WITH PUBLIC FUNDS FOR PUBLIC PURPOSES. PLEASE KEEP THE NOISE DOWN. HOW CAN WE CALL? EXCUSE ME. HOW CAN WE CALL SOMETHING A PUBLIC LIBRARY? WHEN THE ORGANIZATION CLAIMS PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF PUBLICLY FUNDED ASSETS. THIS CONTRADICTS THE FUNDAMENTAL NATURE OF A PUBLIC SERVICE, AND IT CALLS FOR RESOLUTION. THE THIRD QUESTION IS, IF THIS IS TRULY A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP, WHAT EQUITY IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE PARTNERSHIP THAT IS NOT COMPENSATED WITH PUBLIC FUNDS? LET'S EXAMINE THE NUMBERS DOCUMENTED IN THEIR OWN IRS 990 FILINGS. PUBLIC FUNDING CONSTITUTES 93.4% ON AVERAGE, OF THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS. COUNTY TAXPAYERS SPENT $6.5 MILLION ON A NEW LIBRARY FACILITY. THE COUNTY PURCHASED SAMUEL'S OLD BUILDING FOR $550,000. MEANWHILE, SAMUELS PROVIDES MANAGEMENT LIBRARY MANAGEMENT SERVICES, WHICH ARE PAID FOR PRINCIPALLY WITH THE PUBLIC FUNDS FROM WARREN COUNTY IN THE STATE. THEY CONTRIBUTE 6.6% PRIVATE FUNDRAISING AND HAVE BUILT $1 MILLION ENDOWMENT. THE $1 PER YEAR LEASE SAMUELS ENJOYS. OBLIGATED THEM TO MAINTENANCE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE BUILDING. [03:45:06] WHICH WOULD BE CONSIDERED A MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION TO THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP. HOWEVER, THEY WERE ABLE TO SHIFT THAT OBLIGATION. SHORTLY AFTER 2008, LEASE WAS SIGNED WHEN A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR EFFECTIVELY ABROGATED THESE LEASE PROVISIONS AND BEGAN HAVING THE COUNTY PROVIDE BUILDING MAINTENANCE. WHEN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REFUSED SAMUEL'S REQUEST FOR ROOF REPAIRS IN 2024 BASED ON THE ORIGINAL LEASE TERMS, SAMUELS ACCUSED THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF PULLING THE PLUG ON A MAINTENANCE AGREEMENT THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS NEVER AUTHORIZED, AND THE INTENT OF WHICH WAS TO HAVE A PARTNERSHIP WITH SHARED RESPONSIBILITIES. FOLLOWING THE COUNTY'S AGREEMENT TO PURCHASE THE OLD LIBRARY BUILDING ON VILLA AVENUE IN 2011 FOR $550,000, RATHER THAN SIMPLY USE IT FOR FREE FOR 20 YEARS AS THE CONTRACT ALLOWED, SAMUELS ISSUED A PRESS RELEASE SAYING THAT THE FUNDS WOULD BE USED FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS TO THE NEW BUILDING. THIS WAS A COMMITMENT CONSISTENT WITH THE CONSISTENT WITH THE PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIP AND THAT BOTH PARTIES CONTRIBUTE EQUITY. HOWEVER, 14 YEARS LATER, NO EVIDENCE EXISTS OF ANY SUCH IMPROVEMENTS, AND WHEN WE REQUESTED DOCUMENTATION THROUGH FOIA, SAMUEL STONEWALLED THE INQUIRY. MEANWHILE, THEY'VE BUILT AN ENDOWMENT EXCEEDING $1 MILLION. WE HAVE A SITUATION IN WHICH THE COUNTY IS IN A SO-CALLED PRIVATE PUBLIC PARTNERSHIP, WHERE TAXPAYER FUNDING COUNTY AND STATE FUNDS IS OVER 93%. YET ELECTED REPRESENTATION ON THE SAMUEL'S BOARD OF TRUSTEES IS 1 IN 16. WHO AMONG US WILL TAKE THAT OFFER? I WILL OFFER ANYONE LISTENING AN OPPORTUNITY TO START A COMPANY WITH ME, AND I WILL CONTRIBUTE A NICKEL, AND YOU WILL CONTRIBUTE $0.95. YOU WILL BUILD US A BUILDING FOR OUR OPERATIONS. AND BY THE WAY, MY NICKEL WILL ENTITLE ME TO MAKE ALL THE DECISIONS, AND I WILL OWN ALL THE ASSETS. AND IF YOU AS THE 95% STAKEHOLDER, DECIDE YOU WANT TO GOVERN ACCORDING TO YOUR FINANCIAL CONTRIBUTION TO THE PARTNERSHIP, OR WHO ELSE MIGHT BE OUT THERE THAT COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE EFFICIENT THAN ME AS YOUR 5% PARTNER. I WILL SEE YOU TO STOP YOU IN YOUR TRACKS. SAMUELS IS THE 5% STAKEHOLDER HERE, AND THE COUNTY IS THE 95% STAKEHOLDER. A TRUE PARTNERSHIP REQUIRES MEANINGFUL CONTRIBUTION FROM BOTH PARTIES. WHEN PUBLIC FUNDS CONSTITUTE 93.4% OF AN ORGANIZATION'S BUDGET. BASIC PRINCIPLES OF DEMOCRATIC GOVERNANCE DEMAND PROPORTIONAL PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. THIS ISN'T ABOUT ATTACKING SAMUELS. IT'S ABOUT APPLYING FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLE THAT PUBLIC FUNDS REQUIRE PUBLIC OVERSIGHT. EVERY OTHER PUBLICLY FUNDED SERVICE IN WARREN COUNTY OPERATES UNDER THIS PRINCIPLE. THE LIBRARY SHOULD NOT BE AN EXCEPTION. THAT SAID, THERE SHOULD BE A PATH FORWARD FOR NEGOTIATING AN AGREEMENT WITH SAMUELS TO WORK CONSTRUCTIVELY WITH THE PUBLIC LIBRARY BOARD. DESPITE THESE SERIOUS CONCERNS ABOUT THE CURRENT ARRANGEMENT, I REMAIN OPEN TO AN AGREEMENT THAT RESPECTS BOTH LEGAL REQUIREMENTS AND TAXPAYER INTERESTS. I'LL OUTLINE A SPECIFIC PROPOSAL FOR SUCH AN AGREEMENT SHORTLY THAT ADDRESSES THESE FUNDAMENTAL ISSUES, WHILE PROVIDING SAMUELS WITH A FAIR OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE SERVING OUR COMMUNITY AND WITH PROPER PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. THE FOURTH AND FINAL QUESTION IS CAN SIEMENS ACCEPT PUBLIC GOVERNANCE WITHOUT JEOPARDIZING THEIR NONPROFIT STATUS? SAMUEL'S ARGUES THAT THEY CANNOT BE GOVERNED BY THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD BECAUSE IT WOULD PUT THEIR 501 C3 STATUS IN JEOPARDY. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY UNTRUE AND APPEARS TO STEM FROM CONFUSION AND MISUNDERSTANDING IN THE BEST CASE, AND ANOTHER EVASION IN THE WORST CASE. THERE IS NO SUCH LAW. IN FACT, THE IRS HAS CONSISTENTLY HELD THAT GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT OF A PUBLIC CHARITIES USE OF PUBLIC FUNDS IS LAWFUL AND APPROPRIATE. IRS PUBLICATION 557 CLARIFIES THAT PUBLIC CHARITIES MAY RECEIVE SUBSTANTIAL SUPPORT FROM GOVERNMENT UNITS AND MAY OPERATE IN COOPERATION WITH THEM WITHOUT COMPROMISING THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS, PROVIDED THE ORGANIZATION IS NOT ORGANIZED OR OPERATED FOR PRIVATE BENEFIT. UNDER INTERNAL REVENUE CODE SECTION 500 1C3. THE IRS IS CONCERNED ABOUT PRIVATE CONTROL, NOT PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY. THE CONTROL TEST SPECIFICALLY PROHIBITS ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE CONTROLLED BY PRIVATE INTERESTS FOR PRIVATE BENEFIT. PUBLIC OVERSIGHT BY GOVERNMENTAL BOARD, LIKE THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD IS NOT DISQUALIFYING. IT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE IRS EXPECTS WHEN PUBLIC FUNDS ARE INVOLVED. WHAT'S PARTICULARLY TELLING IS THAT SAMUELS ALREADY ACKNOWLEDGED THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD'S LEGAL AUTHORITY BY WITHDRAWING THEIR LAWSUIT WITH PREJUDICE. YOU CANNOT SIMULTANEOUSLY ARGUE THAT A BOARD IS LEGALLY LEGITIMATE ENOUGH TO WITHDRAW A LAWSUIT AGAINST, YET ILLEGITIMATE ENOUGH TO THREATEN YOUR NONPROFIT STATUS. THE QUESTION ISN'T WHETHER THEY CAN LEGALLY WORK WITH THE BOARD. THEY ALREADY ADMITTED THEY CAN LEGALLY, THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THEY WILL. WITH THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING THAT DOING SO DOES NOT JEOPARDIZE THEIR NONPROFIT STATUS. DESPITE THESE SERIOUS CIRCUMSTANCES AND CONCERNS, I STILL THINK THERE'S A PATH FORWARD FOR SAMUELS TO OBTAIN FUNDING AS A PUBLIC LIBRARY. [03:50:04] I PROPOSE TO MY FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS THAT AS A FIRST STEP, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGREE TO MODIFY THE STRUCTURE OF THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD. I PROPOSE EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF BOARD SEATS FROM 5 TO 9 MEMBERS, IN WHICH FIVE MEMBERS ARE APPOINTED BY THE INDIVIDUAL DISTRICT SUPERVISORS, AND THE REMAINING FOUR MEMBERS ARE AT-LARGE SELECTED BY A MAJORITY OF THE SUPERVISORS. THIS WOULD ADDRESS CONCERNS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED ABOUT THE REPRESENTATION ON THE LIBRARY BOARD, WHAT WITH THAT MODIFIED LIBRARY BOARD IS A GIVEN. I PROPOSE ESTABLISHING THREE CONDITIONS UNDER WHICH SAMUELS CAN QUALIFY FOR PUBLIC FUNDING FROM WARREN COUNTY. FIRST AGREED TO COMPLETE FINANCIAL TRANSPARENCY. FULL DISCLOSURE OF ALL FINANCIAL RECORDS AND OPERATIONS, NOT SELECTIVE INFORMATION. THIS INCLUDES THE LOAN DOCUMENTATION, RESOLUTION OF THE CONSTRUCTION EXPENSE RECORDS, AND DETAILED OPERATIONAL EXPENSE REPORTING SIMILAR TO THAT PROVIDED BY THE COUNTY FINANCE DEPARTMENT AND THE SCHOOL BOARD FINANCE CLERK. SECOND. RESTORED ASSET OWNERSHIP. RECOGNITION THAT ASSETS FUNDED BY WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYERS BELONG TO WARREN COUNTY, CONSISTENT WITH BOTH VIRGINIA'S CHARITABLE TRUST DOCTRINE AND BENEFICIAL OWNERSHIP LAW. THIS MEANS RESTORING WARREN COUNTY AS BENEFICIARY IN THE DISSOLUTION CLAUSE OF SAMUEL'S ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION. THIRD PUBLIC LIBRARY GOVERNANCE. ACCORDING TO OVERSIGHT UNDER AN EXPANDED WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD WITH COMPLETE DISTRICT REPRESENTATION TO ADDRESS COMMUNITY CONCERNS ABOUT BOARD COMPOSITION. GIVEN SAMUELS RECOGNITION THAT THE LIBRARY BOARD IS A LAWFUL GOVERNING ENTITY, AND WITH THE CORRECT UNDERSTANDING THAT THE 501 C3 STATUS IS NOT JEOPARDIZED BY A PUBLIC BOARD OVERSIGHT. THIS WILL ENABLE SAMUELS TO PROVIDE SERVICE UNDER CONTRACT AND AN OVERSIGHT THAT ALIGNS PUBLIC FUNDING WITH PUBLIC GOVERNANCE. IF SAMUELS ACCEPT THESE BASIC REQUIREMENTS TRANSPARENCY, PROPER ASSET RECOGNITION AND PUBLIC GOVERNANCE, I WILL SUPPORT CONTINUED PUBLIC FUNDING FOR PUBLIC LIBRARY SERVICES. ON THE OTHER HAND, IF SAMUELS PREFERS PRIVATE OPERATION, THEY MAY CONTINUE UNDER THEIR EXISTING LEASE USING THEIR SUBSTANTIAL ENDOWMENT AND PRIVATE FUNDING TO PROVIDE LIBRARY SERVICES. I THINK THE CHOICE IS SAMUELS TO MAKE, BUT IT MUST BE MADE CLEARLY A PUBLIC LIBRARY WITH PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY, WITH PUBLIC FUNDING, OR PRIVATE LIBRARY WITH PRIVATE FUNDING. IN THE EVENT THAT SAMUELS CHOOSES TO OPERATE PRIVATELY WITH PRIVATE FUNDING, I PROPOSE OR WILL PROPOSE IF THEY CHOOSE, THAT TAXPAYER FUNDS TO BE APPROPRIATED TO SUPPORT OTHER PUBLIC SERVICES IN THE COUNTY, AS FOLLOWS. FIRE DEPARTMENT STAFFING FOR ADDITIONAL FIREFIGHTERS $500,000. SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT VEHICLES $200,000. AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR WITH THE FISCAL YEAR 26 BUDGET $200,000 AND PUBLIC SCHOOLS $124,000. ALL OF THESE ALTERNATIVES PROVIDE TRANSPARENT GOVERNANCE AND DIRECT ACCOUNTABILITY. MOVING FORWARD FROM HERE, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OUR CHAIRMAN, MR. BUTLER, TAKE STEPS TO FORM A TEAM TO NEGOTIATE WITH SAMUELS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I THINK THIS BOARD SHOULD SET A FIRM DATE OF JULY 31ST FOR CONCLUDING, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, WHETHER SAMUEL CHOOSES PRIVATE OR PUBLIC OR PRIVATE FUNDING. YOU FORGOT TO MENTION THIS BOOK. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. EXCUSE ME. SORRY. SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I'D LIKE TO CLARIFY THE MOTION IS. I'M TRYING TO FIND IT ON HERE AFTER ALL THIS CANCELLATION OF THE RFP. THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ANY OF WHAT MR. JAMISON JUST SAID. CORRECT. OH, I'D LIKE TO. I'LL MAKE THE MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE RFP FOR LIBRARY SERVICES BE CANCELED BECAUSE ONLY ONE PROPOSAL WAS SUBMITTED THAT INCLUDED THE NECESSARY SERVICES. AND THAT OFFER HAS DECLINED TO CONTINUE ANY FURTHER NEGOTIATION OR ENTER INTO A CONTRACT WITH THE COUNTY. I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL, MRS. COOK. I, DOCTOR JAMISON. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN. AYE. MR. MEYER. AYE. MR.. SCHOLARS. AYE. OKAY. THE NEXT IS NEW BUSINESS. [N. Additional New Business] I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS, PLEASE. I'D LIKE ADDED TO THE JULY 15TH AGENDA. TO THE ICU. I THINK BY THEN HE SHOULD BE I'D LIKE TO THE TABLED ICU UP. I'D LIKE THAT TO BE ADDED TO THE JULY 15TH AGENDA THAT I THINK WILL GIVE HIM AMPLE TIME TO SAY WHETHER OR NOT HE IS WILLING TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS. [03:55:09] WHICH ITEM? THE PUBLIC HEARING. WE HAVE MISTER ICU UP FOR THE CAMPGROUND. SO THE WE WERE GOING TO ADD THE ROAD READING AND THE SHORT TERM RENTALS TO NEXT WEEK'S WORK SESSION. OKAY. WELL, I DON'T NEED THE CAMPGROUND. HE'S THERE IS GOING TO STEP UP TO THE CONCERNS AND ADDRESS THEM OR HE'S NOT. SO WE JUST PUT THAT ITEM IS IT IS MY. THAT'S MY EXPECTATIONS OF THAT. ALSO, I DON'T KNOW, YOU TOLD ME PROBABLY IT SHOULD BE DONE ON THE NEXT MEETING, BUT WE TABLED THE CUP FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTAL FROM MISS GREENFIELD. AND SINCE I VOTED AGAINST THE PRIOR. WHICH ONE WAS IT? THE GOLDEN RUSSET. I'D LIKE TO BRING THAT BACK TO TABLE. THAT WHICH MRS. COLORS THE. THE GENTLEMAN BACK THERE, HIS CUP. WAS IT FOR THE OLYMPICS? IT WAS AGENDA ITEM I. YES. IF WE'RE GOING TO CONSIDER ONE, I THINK WE SHOULD CONSIDER BOTH. AND SINCE I VOTED IN THE NEGATIVE FOR THAT, I CAN BRING IT BACK AS A MOTION TO TABLE THAT FOR LIKE WE DID THE OTHER ONE. SO THERE WAS A MOTION TO DENY THAT YOU VOTED AGAINST. I VOTED IN FAVOR OF DENIAL. OKAY. YEAH, WELL, YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. SO YOU HAVE TWO MORE. DO I HAVE TO WAIT TILL THE NEXT MEETING? SO ARE YOU ASKING TO HAVE ACTION AT THIS MEETING? YES. DOES IT? CAN I DO THAT AT THIS MEETING, OR DO I HAVE TO DO IT AT THE WELL? YEAH, YOU CAN, BUT IF YOU DO IT AT THIS MEETING, IT NEEDS TO BE UNANIMOUS. VOTE TO ADD A NEW ITEM TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT. OKAY. SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO DO IT AT THE NEXT MEETING OR THE NEXT ONE. THANK YOU. SURE. AND I'LL DO THE OTHER ONE BECAUSE I KNOW I'LL NEVER GET IT PAST. TRUTH IS TRUTH. ANYTHING ELSE? WELL, I WOULD LIKE THE THE I THAT I DON'T HAVE TO HAVE BROAD CONSENSUS TO PUT THAT ON THE 15TH. DO I? THANK YOU. ANY OTHER NEW BUSINESS? ALL RIGHT. SO WITH THE THIS IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR GENERAL COMMENTS. [O. Public Comment Period - General Comments (30Minute Time Limit)] FIRST UP IS EILEEN. HI. I'M EILEEN GEHRIG FROM THE HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT. I DON'T HAVE A HALF HOUR TO GO ON AND ON ABOUT SEMANTICS. BUT WHAT I WILL TELL YOU IS THAT THERE IS A VERY CLEAR AND OBVIOUS TRUTH THAT HAS BEEN IGNORED HERE TONIGHT, WHICH IS THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NON PROFIT AND A FOR PROFIT COMPANY. THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS. AND IF YOU WANT TO CREATE MORE CONTENTION WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH EARLIER YOU SAID THAT IT GIVES YOU PAUSE WHEN YOU SEE CONTENTION IN THE COMMUNITY. BUT WHAT WE HAVE SEEN SINCE 2023, SINCE CLEANED UP SAMUELS TRIED TO BAN GAY BOOKS IS NOTHING BUT CONTENTION OVER THIS LIBRARY ISSUE. AND YET YOU HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LET IT GO TO WORK TOWARDS THE BEST INTERESTS OF OUR COMMUNITY. BUT YOU WANT TO GIVE A LONG PRESENTATION. ARGUING, CONTINUING THE ARGUING ABOUT THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, THINGS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN CLEARED UP. SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY HAS BEEN AS TRANSPARENT AS THEY COULD POSSIBLY BE. I'M JUST IT'S REALLY SHAMEFUL TO SEE THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR AND TO SEE PEOPLE WHO JUST WANT TO CREATE MORE CONFLICT SERVING OUR COUNTY, OR SUPPOSED TO BE SERVING OUR COUNTY, WHEN REALLY WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING IS WORKING TOGETHER TO SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. [04:00:04] AND THAT'S WHAT SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY DOES. IF WE HAD BROUGHT IN AN OUTSIDE FOR PROFIT CORPORATION TO RUN OUR LIBRARY, WOULD WE HAVE THE SAME BOOKS? OR WOULD THOSE GAY BOOKS THAT YOU ALL ARE SO OBSESSED WITH BE TAKEN OFF THE SHELVES? YOU ALL WANT TO MAKE THESE LONG PRESENTATIONS AND ACT ACTS LIKE YOU KNOW BETTER THAN THE COMMUNITY DOES WHAT'S BEST FOR US. IT'S A SHAME. IT'S A CRYING SHAME. YOU ALL SHOULD BE ASHAMED. NEXT UP IS REBECCA ALTIZER. HAVING SAID THROUGH THAT LONG DIATRIBE, I'M GOING TO CHANGE UP A LITTLE BIT. WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY. I FIND IT VERY IRONIC THAT YOU ARE QUOTING FROM A BOOK THAT I'M SURE YOU WOULD HAVE BANNED. IF YOU HAVE YOUR WAY. NO. YOU LIKE THAT KIND OF THAT KIND OF NOVEL? OKAY. I. MY NAME IS REBECCA ALTIZER, AND I LIVE IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, AND IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SIT THROUGH THIS, BECAUSE EVERYTHING I'M HEARING IS CONTRADICTORY TO WHAT THE DATA AND THE EVIDENCE SHOWS. BUT I AM HERE, AND I WILL BE HERE AGAIN BECAUSE I DEEPLY CARE ABOUT SAMUEL'S LIBRARY AND THE SERVICES THEY OFFER THERE. I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT GOOD PEOPLE, GOOD PEOPLE CAN SIT DOWN AND WORK THINGS OUT. BUT TO BE HONEST, IT'S GETTING HARDER TO HOLD ON TO THAT HOPE. I LOOK AT THE SMIRKS ON SOME OF YOUR FACES WHEN PEOPLE ARE TALKING. I'M BACK HERE SMIRKING TOO WHEN YOU'RE TALKING, SO I SHOULDN'T BLAME YOU. BUT THE LESSONS CONTRACT HAS FAILED. THE VENDOR PULLED OUT, AND YET THIS BOARD IS STILL HOLDING BACK $1.2 MILLION IN FUNDING FROM A PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT'S DONE NOTHING WRONG. THAT MONEY WAS MEANT FOR THIS YEAR. FOR OUR LIBRARY STAFF, FOR SERVICES THAT PEOPLE RELY ON EVERY DAY. INSTEAD, IT'S STILL SITTING UNTOUCHED WHILE OUR COMMUNITY SCRAMBLES AROUND TO FILL THE GAPS. TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MEET WHAT THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. YOU DON'T CARE. IT'S OBVIOUS YOU DON'T CARE. SAMUELS IS ONLY STAYING OPEN BECAUSE OF DONATIONS AND VOLUNTEERS. THAT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE AND IT'S NOT FAIR. IF THIS BOARD BELIEVES IN ACCOUNTABILITY, IT'S TIME TO APPLY IT TO YOURSELVES. BECAUSE HOLDING BACK ESSENTIAL, ESSENTIAL FUNDING, WHILE THERE'S NO PLAN IN PLACE, IS NOT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. IT'S GROSS MISMANAGEMENT. AND IT'S NOT JUST ME SAYING THIS. THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY HAVE SPOKEN. YOU LOST TWO PRIMARY ELECTIONS. I KNOW THAT KIND OF TICKS YOU OFF. AND REVENGE IS. I SEE THAT IN A LOT OF THINGS. YOU GUYS SAY YOU WANT REVENGE. YOU WANT YOUR POWER. YOU LOST THE PUBLIC'S TRUST. READ THE WRITING ON THE WALL, PEOPLE, AND IT'S PAST TIME TO TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY. THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN FORMED. IT HAS NO CREDIBILITY, VICKI. NO COMMUNITY SUPPORT AND NO PURPOSE. NOW THAT LESSONS IS GONE, COME IN. NEXT UP IS GEORGE KLEIN. GOOD EVENING. GEORGE KLEIN, FOURTH DISTRICT. I JUST KIND OF WANT TO START WITH A FUN FACT. TODAY. I SPENT SOME TIME IN WINCHESTER WITH A COUPLE OF PEOPLE, AND THEY BROUGHT UP AN INTERESTING FACT TO ME THAT THE COSTCO IN WINCHESTER IS CURRENTLY DOING APPROXIMATELY $1.5 MILLION IN VOLUME A WEEK AND IN SALES. AND THEY'RE SENDING FREDERICK COUNTY $15,000 A WEEK OR 720,000 A YEAR IN TAX REVENUE. JUST KIND OF CURIOUS WHY WE HAVEN'T BEEN LOOKING THAT WAY. [04:05:04] I KNOW WE'VE TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THIS TONIGHT, BUT I WANT TO REITERATE I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL SAW THE RURAL EXAMINER WITH THE DUELING DISCO $101,000, AND. IF THAT'S NOT COMMUNITY, NOTHING ELSE. BECAUSE I'M GOING TO TELL YOU RIGHT NOW. AND WHAT'S REALLY WHAT I THINK IS TRULY SAD ABOUT THAT. YOU, YOU, YOU AND YOU WEREN'T EVEN THERE. WEREN'T THERE? YOU WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, WHAT A COMMUNITY LOOKS LIKE TOGETHER. AND I THINK IT'S REALLY SAD. TRULY. AND I JUST THIS COMMUNITY IS ALL ABOUT KIDS, SCHOOLS, SAMUEL, LIBRARY AND PUBLIC SAFETY. IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. IT ALWAYS WILL BE. YOU GUYS HAVE TRULY WASTED $60,000 OF OUR MONEY FIGHTING A 50 YEAR PLUS PILLAR IN OUR COMMUNITY WHEN OUR SCHOOLS. AND YOU JUST ALLUDED TO IT WHEN OUR SCHOOLS TURNED 100 STUDENTS AWAY FROM THE TECH PROGRAM. 100 TRADESMEN THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD HAVE. THIS COUNTY IS IN DIRE NEED OF TRADESMEN RIGHT NOW. AND YOU WASTED FUNDS FIGHTING SOMETHING THAT DID NOT NEED TO BE FOUGHT. AND WHY DID YOU DO THAT? YOU DID IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE YOUR OWN PERSONAL RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, AND YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE DONE THAT. I'M SORRY, MR. JAMISON, I. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY DISAPPOINTED ME TO NO END. I PREDICTED TWO YEARS AGO THAT YOU'D BE A LEADER. YOU WOULD BE THE LEADER OF THIS BOARD WHEN YOU GOT ELECTED. AND I GOTTA TELL YOU, YOU DIDN'T PROVE ME WRONG. YOU ARE THE LEADER, BUT YOU ARE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE. AND IT IS SAD BECAUSE I REALLY THOUGHT YOU WERE SOMETHING. I REALLY DID. WHAT A TRUE DISAPPOINTMENT. MR. STEINMEYER, I THINK YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHT AND WRONG. THE PROBLEM IS YOU DON'T HAVE THE KAHUNA TO SAY IT. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I TRULY BELIEVE THAT. AND OF COURSE, OVER HERE, I DON'T EVEN WANT TO. WE'RE NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THAT. NEXT UP IS IF HE'S HERE. CHRIS, IF I'M SAYING THAT. RIGHT. OKAY, THEN, JOHN MACK. OKAY. JOE. PLATZER. SO, JOE. GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE. MY NAME IS JOE PANZER. I LIVE IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. I'M A US MARINE CORPS COMBAT VETERAN. I'M ALSO A BUSINESS OWNER IN THE AREA. AND I DO WORK IN CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND AND MANAGEMENT. AND I'M HERE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE SAMUELS PUBLIC LIBRARY. I WANT TO MAKE A REQUEST THAT YOU ENGAGE IN CONVERSATIONS WITH THE LIBRARY AND WORK TOWARDS THE COMMON GOOD. I RECOGNIZE ONE OF THE HARDEST THINGS FOR HUMAN BEINGS TO DO IS TO ADMIT THEY'RE WRONG AND TO CHANGE. THIS EXACERBATED WHEN OUR BRAIN IS GOING TO FIGHT OR FLIGHT MODE. WE KNOW BIOLOGICALLY THAT OUR PREFRONTAL CORTEX IS THE CENTER OF OUR BRAIN, GETS STRIPPED OF OXYGEN AND GLYCOGEN EVERY TIME WE GO INTO FIGHT OR FLIGHT MODE. IT JUST HAPPENS. WE ARE INCAPABLE IN THAT STATE OF THINKING WITH, WITH, WITH OUR FULL FACULTY REASON. WHEN WE LOSE THE ABILITY TO TALK TO EACH OTHER, WE KIND OF LOSE EVERYTHING. I'VE GOT A LITTLE FIRSTHAND EXPERIENCE OF THIS, HAVING BEEN TO IRAQ IN 2003, TO AFGHANISTAN IN 2013, AND I'VE SEEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SOCIETIES DON'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO TALK TO EACH OTHER ANYMORE, AND THEY START SHOOTING AT EACH OTHER. AND THAT'S NEVER SOMETHING I WANT TO SEE HERE ON THE STREETS OF AMERICA. LIFE THERE IS PRETTY NASTY. THE POOR, BRUTISH AND SHORT. WE'VE GOT A GREAT LIBRARY HERE. WE'VE GOT A GREAT COMMUNITY. WE'VE GOT BIGGER ISSUES TO CONTEND WITH. RIGHT. THE RECENT PRIMARY ELECTION IS REALLY ILLUSTRATIVE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S LIKE THE REFERENDUM WITHOUT THE REFERENDUM BEING ON THE BALLOT. PEOPLE ARE POLICY. WE KNOW THAT FROM POLITICS. AND WHAT THE COMMUNITY IS TELLING IS THAT THEY FEEL THAT YOU ARE GOING IN THE WRONG DIRECTION. PEOPLE ARE SHOWING UP AND VOTING. LAST DECEMBER, YOU HAD OVER 110 PEOPLE SITTING HERE. MORE THAN 90% OF THEM SPOKE IN FAVOR OF THE CURRENT POLICY FOR THE LIBRARY. AND YOU ALL DID SOMETHING DIFFERENT ANYWAY. WHAT RECOURSE DO PEOPLE HAVE IF OUR ELECTED LEADERS REFUSE TO LISTEN, OR REFUSE TO ENGAGE AND REFUSE TO TALK? IT'S NOT A GOOD PLACE WHERE THAT GOES. I'M HERE TO TELL YOU I'M GLAD TO SEE THE VENDOR PULLED OUT. WHO WOULD WANT TO DO BUSINESS WITH THIS COUNTY? UNDER THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, I WOULDN'T. I WOULD NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS SEND TO SEND A TEN YEAR SERVICES CONTRACT WITH A VENDOR. [04:10:08] RIGHT? YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT SMART BUSINESS PEOPLE DO. SO WHAT I'D ASK YOU TO DO GOING FORWARD. FOLLOW THE HIPPOCRATIC OATH FIRST. DO NO HARM. RELEASE THE FUNDING. PUT OUR TAXPAYER TAXPAYER DOLLARS TO THE LIBRARY THAT WE LOVE, AND THEN WORK WITH THE BOARD TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE, THE RIGHT WAY FORWARD. SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, POLITICS, LIKE RONALD REAGAN SAID, IS FIGURING OUT WHAT'S GOOD ENOUGH AND TAKING THAT. THAT'S THE WIN. SO AGAIN, YOU KNOW, AND AT THE END OF THE DAY, ULTIMATELY WE THE VOTERS ARE THE FINAL CHECK ON POWER. SO I'D ASK YOU AGAIN, PLEASE REENGAGE WITH THE LIBRARY. YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU NEED LIKE A CONFLICT RESOLUTION DISPUTE MANAGER IN THERE. I'M NOT SELLING MY SERVICE TO YOU, BUT THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO COULD DO THAT FOR YOU. ALL RIGHT. THANKS. PLEASE KEEP THE CLAPPING DOWN. NEXT. CLAPPING. NEXT UP IS LARRY OLIVER. OR NOT. THEN THAT'S ALL I HAVE. WOULD ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK? ALL RIGHT. SORRY, I'M KNOCKING STUFF OVER. ALL RIGHT. MY NAME IS SYDNEY PATTON. I AM FROM THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT, AND YOU ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GET SICK OF HEARING ME SAY THIS, BUT I DID NOT PREPARE A SPEECH TODAY BECAUSE I DID NOT EXPECT TO SPEAK. BUT I HAVE A FEW COMMENTS, IF YOU DON'T MIND. I LIKE TO NOTE THAT I AM ALSO A BIG FAN OF 1984. I ACTUALLY CHECKED IT OUT FROM SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY AND WROTE A PAPER ON IT AS I ATTENDED LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE. AND I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT YOU CHOSE THAT BOOK, BECAUSE THE ENTITY THAT IS REWRITING THE HISTORY IS NOT THE CITIZENS, IT IS THE CONTROLLING ENTITY, THE GOVERNMENT STYLE ENTITY. WE ARE NOT THE ONES OUT HERE REWRITING IT. IT STARTED OUT AS GAY BOOKS INSIDE THE LIBRARY, AND NOW IT'S ABOUT FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY. YOU COULDN'T WIN ONE, SO YOU WENT FOR ANOTHER. AND THAT IS TEXTBOOK 1984 REWRITING. AND I'M GOING TO KIND OF QUOTE BACK TO JARED WHEN HE SAID READ THE ROOM. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT IS, YES, WE DID HAVE ELECTIONS AND IT WAS 2 TO 1. IF YOU USE THAT AS A GAUGE FOR THE LOVE OF THE COMMUNITY, FOR OUR LIBRARY. SO 60 SOME PERCENT WENT FOR THE CANDIDATES THAT WERE PRO LIBRARY, 30% FOR THE OTHERS. THE ROOM THE PUBLIC IS SAYING, WE LOVE WHAT WE HAVE. AND YOU SAID THAT THE LIBRARY, BECAUSE IT'S FUNDED WITH PUBLIC MONEY, THEY OWE THE COUNTY THE EQUITY. WHAT IS THE EQUITY THEY'RE PUTTING IN? I'M GOING TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT IN A MINUTE. I'M GOING TO CLOSE WITH THAT. BUT I'D LIKE TO SAY THAT THEY DON'T OWE YOU ANYTHING. THEY OWE THE COMMUNITY THAT THEY SERVE THE EQUITY. AND I THINK THAT THE SUPPORT THAT THE COMMUNITY HAS SHOWN THEM SHOWS THE VALUE THAT THE COMMUNITY SEES IN THAT EQUITY. THEY WOULDN'T BE PUTTING ADDITIONAL TIME AND MONEY INTO THAT IF THEY DIDN'T SEE THE EQUITY AND THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. AND ABOUT THE LIBRARY WITHDRAWING THE COURT CASE. OBVIOUSLY, I'M NOT THE LIBRARY, SO I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THAT, BUT I PERSONALLY TOOK IT AS THEY REALIZED IN PART, THAT THIS IS A CASE THAT'S GOING TO GO ON AND IT'S GOING TO WASTE TAXPAYERS DOLLARS. SO HERE'S A CHANCE TO TRY AND WORK WITH YOU GUYS INSTEAD OF GOING TO COURT AND SO ON. IT'S NOT AN ADMISSION OF YOU WERE RIGHT. IT'S LET'S GO BACK TO THE TABLE. LET'S DO THIS. AND FINALLY, THE INVESTMENT IN THE COMMUNITY IS I WOULD NOT BE WHERE I AM WITHOUT THE LIBRARY. I WOULD NOT BE IN CYBERSECURITY. I WOULD NOT BE PROTECTING INFRASTRUCTURE OR ANYTHING ELSE WITHOUT THEM. I AM THE RETURN ON INVESTMENT. I WILL CONTINUE TO PROTECT EVERYBODY IN THIS COMMUNITY, REGARDLESS OF POLITICAL AFFILIATION OR ANYTHING, BECAUSE IT'S MY JOB AND THE LIBRARY INSPIRED THAT. THANK YOU. PLEASE. NO CLAPPING. ANYONE ELSE? [04:15:02] DID. SIR. SIR, DID YOU ALREADY SPEAK ONCE? YES I DID. OKAY. THE NO WASN'T A WAS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING. SO I CAN'T TALK OR CAN'T TALK. NO. OKAY. APOLOGIES. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? LEWIS. LEWIS. MOUNTAIN. NORTH RIVER. I'M NOT HERE TO TALK ABOUT A DOUBLE PLUS GOOD LIBRARY. BUT I WOULD RECOMMEND ABOUT YOUR CUP HANDLING. THE GENTLEMAN WHO WAS DECLINED, I WOULD INVITE HIM BACK. MAYBE AFTER YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION, BECAUSE YOU WANT TO HAVE EQUAL SAYINGS ABOUT WHAT YOU COME UP WITH, MAYBE GIVE THEM HIM A WAIVER OF A FEE. MAYBE CONSIDER SOME OF THE MORE RECENT PEOPLE AS WELL. I THINK IT'D BE A BIT FAIR. ANOTHER ISSUE I'VE BEEN KIND OF ANNOYED BY QUITE OFTEN THAT LATE AND THAT ROOF. SO EVERY TIME I LOOK AT YOU GUYS, LOOK AT THAT LIGHT, I'M THINKING, THERE'S CRACKS. EVERYBODY NEEDS TO, LIKE, CLEAN UP A LITTLE BIT OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, I DON'T REALLY HAVE MUCH ELSE TO SAY. THAT'S IT. SO THANKS. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING TWICE. THREE TIMES. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED. NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS ADJOURNMENT. DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.