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OKAY, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, IT'S SEVEN O'CLOCK.
[I. Call to Order ]
I'LL CALL THE AUGUST 13TH, 2025 MEETING OF WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED ORDER.OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND REMOVE YOUR HATS FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD IN THE VISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[Ill. Adoption of the Agenda ]
ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes ]
OF THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF JULY 9TH, 2025.MR. CHAIRMAN, I, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES OF JULY 9TH, 2025.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
[V. Public Presentations ]
IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU'D LIKE TO BRING TO US THAT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
WE'LL GIVE YOU THREE MINUTES TO SAY YOUR PIECE.
JUST LET YOU KNOW THAT I'M HERE FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEM IN CASE YOU NEED ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD.
WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS
[VI.A. CUP2025-07-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 116 Mossy Rock Lane - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 116 Mossy Rock Lane and is identified on tax map 248, block 120, as lot 615. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl, Planner]
TONIGHT.CUP 20 25 0 7 0 1 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL ONE 16 MA LANE.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS AT ONE 16 MACIO LANE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 24 B BLOCK ONE 20 AS LOT SIX 15 IS OWNED.
R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE, THE PROPERTY HE PURCHASED IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY SEEKING PEACE IN NATURE.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY A NEIGHBOR MORGAN HARRIS, WHO RESIDES APPROXIMATELY 500 FEET AWAY.
THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE.
PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1983 AND THERE ARE NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS ON FILE FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THE OWNER APPLIED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM FOREST RENTAL FOR THIS PROPERTY IN OCTOBER OF 2023, BUT THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED IN FEBRUARY OF 2024 BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY INTENDS ON INSTALLING NOISE ALERT DEVICES TO HELP CONTROL, TO HELP CONTROL NOISE LEVELS.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT SHALL APPLY FOR A CHANGE OF USE BUILDING PERMIT AS PART OF THE POST-APPROVAL PROCESS TO ENSURE THAT IT MEETS THE CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR FIRE PROTECTION SYSTEMS. THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS, UM, FROM UH, CITIZENS ON THE FIRE PROTECTION SERVICES.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE BLUE MOUNTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION WHO STATED THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THIS APPLICATION.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 230 FEET TO THE SOUTH PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA IN A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
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PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE WISH TO SPEAK ANYHOW AND SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD? THE PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
UH, THIS IS THE ONE ON MOSSY OAK.
YES, I DID GET A LETTER IN THIS LETTER.
IT WAS SOME CONCERN ABOUT PARKING.
ALL I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO REMIND THE APPLICANT THAT, THAT YOU CANNOT PARK IN THE STREET AND IF IT ALL, IF WE GET COMPLAINTS ON THAT, A PERMIT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY AND AT ANY TIME IT, YOU KNOW, A FIRE AND RESCUE FEELS THAT IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD, THOSE VEHICLES COULD ALSO BE TOWED ALL BUT, UH, AND, AND WE'VE GOT WAYS TO ENFORCING THAT.
SO, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, IT LOOKS PRETTY CUT AND DRY TO ME UNLESS ANYBODY ELSE HAS GOT ANYTHING ELSE.
ONLY THING I'D LIKE TO ADD IS WE ALSO GOT A LETTER WHERE SOMEONE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OUTDOOR FIRES.
I MEAN, SOME OF OUR, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTIONS ARE, YOU KNOW, FIRE PITS, THIS TYPE THING'S PROHIBITED.
JUST NO OPEN AIR FIRES, NO ATVS, NO FIREARMS AND NO PARKING IN THE STREET AND NO HUNTING.
NO FIREARMS WITH, WELL I GUESS YOU COULD HAVE ON OTHER WAYS.
PLEASE BE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR 1 1 6 MOSEY ROCK LANE FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE, IT WILL BE PASSED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.
[VI.B. CUP2025-07-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 699 Sunset Village Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 699 Sunset Village Road and is identified on tax map 27D, section 1, as lot 8. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Junewood Estates subdivision in the Fork Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
CUP 20 25 0 7 0 2 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 6 99 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD.REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTIES AT 6 99 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 27 D SECTION ONE AS LOT EIGHT PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION, THE FORT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
YES, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL ON BEHALF OF THE CURRENT OWNERS WHO PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN FEBRUARY OF 2022.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER BY HELPING TO OVERSEE PROPERTY MAINTENANCE, CLEANING, AND THE BOOKING OF RENTAL REQUESTS.
UH, LOCATED IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION.
UM, THERE ARE NO, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR THE DWELLING AND IS BRAND NEW.
ACTUALLY JUST DID THE ELEVATION CERTIFICATE FOR IT NOT TOO LONG AGO.
UH, THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS FOR PROPERTIES IN THE JUNE WOOD ESTATE SUBDIVISION, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, NEIGHBORING PROPERTY DIRECTLY TO THE NORTH.
AND, UM, THAT IS THE DWELLING THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN 100 FEET.
UM, AND SO IT IS USED AS A SHORT TERM TOURIST JOURNAL AND A LETTER WAS RECEIVED THIS MORNING, UH, OFFERING SUPPORT FOR THAT APPLICATION FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
UH, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT ON FILE FOR THE PROPERTY, UH, PROVES A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE DWELLING.
UH, AS MENTIONED, THE THE APPLICANT IS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER AND SHE DOES LIVE WITHIN A 30 MILES DISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
UM, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK AS THE DWELLING, UM, DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
THE NEAREST RESIDENCE AS MENTIONED, IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 80 FEET TO THE EAST, I'M SORRY, EAST OF THE DWELLING PROPERTY ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND IT WAS, UH, SEPARATELY APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT, SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
UM, SO IT IS THE SAME CONDITIONS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED WITH CONDITION NUMBER AS THE LAST ITEM WITH CONDITION NUMBER FOUR.
FOR AN ALTERNATIVE SYSTEM READS, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN CONDITION OR YES.
CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 80 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY, UH, REACHED OUT TO ME EARLIER SAYING SHE WASN'T FEELING WELL TODAY.
UM, SO I'LL DO MY BEST FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
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OKAY, ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.PLEASE MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF 6 9 9 SUNSET VILLAGE ROAD FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS OUR THIRD ONE,
[VI.C. CUP2025-07-03 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 588 High Top Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 588 High Top Road and is identified on tax map 23C, section 2, block 2, as lot 297. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District.]
CUP 20 25 0 7 0 3 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 5 88 HIGH TOP ROAD REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 5 88 HIGH TOP ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 C SECTION TWO.PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM LODGING TO OFFER A PEACEFUL RETREAT TO THE VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY AND CONTRIBUTE TO THE TAURUS ECONOMY.
THE APPLICANT WILL MANAGE THE PROPERTY DIRECTLY WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL CLEANER, TAMMY, WITH CLEANING YOUR CHAOS.
NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2025 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF TWO OCCUPANTS FOR THE ONE BEDROOM DWELLING.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS WHO STATED THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS.
HOWEVER, THEY DO ADVISE THE OWNERS ADVERTISE THE NECESSITY, UH, FOR FOUR WHEEL DRIVE DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER.
THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY MEETS THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM ALL NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.
THE NEAREST RESIDENCE IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 194 FEET TO THE EAST.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOT NOTIFIED THE APPLICANTS WERE UNABLE TO ATTEND THIS EVENING, BUT I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
DON'T UN SIGN, BUT SOMEONE WANTS TO SPEAK.
COME UP PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND, HI, I'M KA MANINI.
I LIVE, UM, IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UH, PLEASE GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS.
THIS IS, YOU KNOW, FOR LEGAL PURPOSES, I DON'T LIKE TO DO THAT FOR SECURITY PURPOSES.
I I JUST WANTED TO STATE FOR THE RECORD THAT THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND I BELIEVE THE LAST ONE WAS ALSO A NEW CONSTRUCTION.
UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, REQUIREMENTS FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS, I KEEP HEARING THE ARGUMENT THAT, UM, THE SHORT TERM TA RENTALS ARE FI FIXING UP DILAPIDATED HOUSES AND SO IT'S GOOD FOR OUR COMMUNITY, BUT I, I WANNA MAKE SURE YOU'RE UNDERSTANDING HOW MANY OF THESE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL APPROVALS, UM, THAT YOU'RE DOING ARE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION.
I JUST WANTED TO POINT THAT OUT.
ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE ELSE COMING FORWARD, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
PLEASE MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR 5 88 HIGH TOP ROAD FOR SHORT TERM T RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THEY'LL BE FORWARDED ON OUR NEXT ONE.
[VI.D. CUP2025-07-04 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 241 Old Oak Ln - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 241 Old Oak Lane and is identified on tax map 15E, section 2, block 2, as lot 630. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Farms - Mountain Lake subdivision in the Shenandoah Magisterial District - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
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SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 2 41 OLD OAK LANE.REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL LOCATED 2 41 OLD OAK LANE IDENTIFIED TAX MAP.
15 E SECTION TWO BLOCK TWO IS LOT SIX 30 PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS MOUNTAIN LAKE SUBDIVISION AND THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MR. LENS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY PURCHASED IN APRIL OF 2025.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT'S WILL SERVE AS A PRIMARY PROPERTY MANAGERS WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT.
UH, DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1975 AND THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT PROVES A MAXIMUM OF TWO OCCUPANTS FOR THE ONE BEDROOM DWELLING.
UH, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS BOARD OF DIRECTORS, UH, DID SUPPLY COMMENTS INDICATING THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO THE PROPERTY BEING USED AS A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, BUT ADVISE THE OWNERS, UH, BE REQUIRED TO ADVERTISE FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE BEING NECESSARY TO REACH THE UH, DESTINATION.
UH, AND THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY DOES MEET THE MINIMUM SETBACK OF 100 FEET FROM ALL NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES WITH THE NEAREST RESIDENCE LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 160 FEET TO THE NORTH.
UM, SO THE, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE, UH, THE IDENTICAL TO THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT FOR A CONVENTIONAL SEPTIC SYSTEM.
UH, AND THERE IS NO SETBACK WAIVER.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED? I AM NOT SURE.
YES, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IS THERE ANYTHING TO ADD TO STAFF COMMENTS? NO.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE DRIVEWAY AS IT COMES OFF FROM OLD OAK LANE, GOES ACROSS THE PROPERTY OF THE NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS OWNED BY MAR DE.
SHE, UH, LLC, YOU KNOW, IS THERE, IS THERE AN EASEMENT THERE? IS THIS A LEGAL DRIVEWAY? THERE IS ONE MAIN, UH, SIR, SIR, PLEASE COME SPEAK IN THE MICROPHONE.
HOW OLD'S THE HOUSE BUILT? 75.
LEMME KNOW IF I'VE BEEN USING IT TO FAR.
UH, THERE IS A MAIN DRIVEWAY TO GO TO THE HOUSE.
THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY THAT WE ARE GONNA BE USING.
AND THERE IS A TWO PARK, LIKE A PARKING AT THE END.
AS WE MENTIONED, IT'S ONLY FOR TWO PEOPLE AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS ONE DRIVEWAY THAT DOESN'T GO NOWHERE.
AND FROM MY UNDERSTANDING FOR THE PREVIOUS OWNER, THIS WAS A PERMIT THAT THE OWNER OF THE LOAD NEXT TO THE HOUSE ASK IN CASE THEY WANT TO ACCESS.
UH, BUT I DON'T HAVE ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT.
IT'S NOT BEING USED, IT'S NOT BEING, SO YOU HAVE, IT'S GOT ANOTHER ACCESS POINT COMING OUT TOO.
IF YOU LOOK AT IT ON THE, ON THE DRAWING.
IF I'M LOOKING AT THE RIGHT ONE, I WENT ONTO THE, UH, GIS YEAH, YOU'RE RIGHT JUAN.
YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE A, LOOKS LIKE ANOTHER ONE, RIGHT? YEAH, RIGHT HERE.
AND I GUESS THE CONCERN WAS GOING OVER THERE ACROSS THIS LOT.
HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TIE IN THERE.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S BEING USED.
THIS LOOKS LIKE IT'S GETTING PRETTY GRAYED UP.
I DIDN'T RIDE UP THERE AND LOOK AT IT.
DID YOU SEE IT ON THE MAP WHERE IT'S GOT ACCESS BOTH WAYS? I'M TRYING TO PULL IT UP RIGHT NOW, BUT I I DIDN'T SEE IT THERE.
OKAY, BECAUSE WHAT I LOOKED AT WAS IT WAS CLEARLY LOOKED AT LIKE IT WAS COMING OFF.
CAN YOU SEE IT ON THE YOURS COME UP? NO, MINE'S STILL NOT COMING OFF.
SEE HOW IT'S, UH, ONE TO THE LEFT THERE AT THE BOTTOM GOES STRAIGHT OUT? OKAY.
YEAH, THAT GOES OUT TO, IT WAS, YEAH, I COULD IS THIS ANOTHER ROAD THERE AT THE BOTTOM? I THINK, YEAH, I, OKAY, GOOD, GOOD.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY WORD SMITH'S CARE TO MAKE A MOTION THEN? WELL, SCOTT TOUCHED MINE AND HE'S DONE KILLED MINE TOO, I GUESS.
I, I DON'T WHAT THE HELL'S GOING ON WITH THIS? WHOOPS.
I CAN'T, UH, HOW GET TO HERE, LET'S TRY THAT AND START OVER.
IT'S, I'M WAITING ON MINE TO LOAD NOW.
I GOT MINE BACK UP IS YOURS THOUGH? UH, BUT NOW I CAN'T FIND FOUR.
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IT'S REALLY SLOW.YEAH, SCOTT TOUCHED MY TABLET AND HE KILLED IT TOO.
AND NOW I CAN'T GET THE, I HAVE ABOUT 20% DOWNLOADED.
IF IT HELPS ANYBODY WORKED LAST MONTH?
WHAT YOU LOOKING FOR? YOU COULD KIND OF COMBINE IT AND ADDRESS.
OH MAN, I WOULDN'T LET HIM TOUCH DEATH.
REALLY THIS ONE'S A REAL COMPUTER THOUGH.
UM, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR 2 41 OLD OAK LANE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGAIN APPROXIMATELY A MONTH.
YOU MAY WANT TO KEEP ME AWAY FROM THAT.
[VI.E. CUP2025-07-05 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 208 River Oak Drive - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 208 River Oak Drive and is identified on tax map 35B, section 2, as lot C. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
CUP 20 25 0 7 0 5.SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 2 0 8 RIVER OAK DRIVE.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 0 8 RIVER OAK DRIVE IDENTIFIED AT TAX MAP 35 B SECTION TWO IS LOT C.
THE PROPERTY ZONED AGRICULTURAL LOCATE IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TAE RENTAL ON BEHALF OF HIS MOTHER FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN 2016.
DUE TO UNFORESEEN FAMILIAL NEEDS, THE OWNER'S NOT ABLE TO SPEND MUCH TIME AT THE PROPERTY AND WOULD LIKE TO MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
TWO VISITORS WISHING TO DECOMPRESS AND RECONNECT WITH THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY WHILE NOT BEING USED BY HER FAMILY.
THE PROPERTY WILL BE MANAGED BY LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER SUSANNA DIAZ JIMENEZ.
NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2003 AND NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE RIVER OAK PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS BACK AT THIS TIME.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 220 FEET TO THE WEST.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO FORWARD THE APPLICATION WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE AND REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME.
OKAY, THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
YOU WANNA SIGN UP OR CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
KELLY, I NOTICED IN THERE THEY HAVE THE GAS FIRE PIT.
WE'LL HAVE TO, WE WOULD HAVE TO ADDRESS THAT AND MAKE SURE THAT THEY WEREN'T UTILIZING THAT.
WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH THEM USING SOMETHING SUCH AS A SOLO STOVE THAT HAS AN ON AND OFF SWITCH, BUT THE FIRE PIT WOULDN'T BE USABLE.
I, I HELP YOU HERE, BUT I, I'M GOOD.
I'M STILL CHASING MY, YOU GUYS
I'LL MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR 2 0 8 RIVER OAK DRIVE FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
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SO IT GETS ON THE RECORD.WE'LL WAIT UNTIL THE COMPUTER'S RETURNED.
OKAY, NOW MOTION HAS BEEN MADE PROPERLY SECONDED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[VI.F. CUP2025-07-07 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 279 Donna Court - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 279 Donna Court and is identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 276. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Farms - River View subdivision Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
CUP 20 25 0 7 0 7 SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 2 79 DONNA COURT REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 2 7 9 DONNA COURT IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO BLOCK FIVE IS LOT 2 76.PROPERTY OWNED R ONE RESIDENTIAL IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT RIVERVIEW SUBDIVISION.
SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WAL AGAIN, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED IN JUNE OF 2025.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING TO OFFER A QUALITY LODGING OPTION FOR VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY.
SHENANDOAH VALLEY PROPERTY MAINTENANCE COMPANY WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER AND DAVE WHALEN WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL EMERGENCY CONTACT.
NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2025 AND THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF ANY ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS FOR THIS PROPERTY.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY THREE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS FOR PROPERTIES ON DONNA COURT.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT AND RECORD OF INSPECTION FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE SYSTEM APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS BOARD OF DIRECTORS INDICATING THEY DO NOT OBJECT TO THE PROPOSED USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL, BUT ADVISE THE OPERATOR TO BE REQUIRED TO ADVISE A FOUR-WHEEL DRIVE AS NECESSARY TO REACH THE DESTINATION DURING INCLEMENT WEATHER.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
THE RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY TO THE WEST IS LOCATED 33 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY AND THE RESIDENCE ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST IS LOCATED 44 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED SIGNED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM THE OWNERS OF THE ADJACENT RESIDENCES.
THE APPLICANT RECEIVED LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS.
UM, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLINE COLIFORM.
BACTERIA IN A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 33 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING WEST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
AND FOR THE EXISTING 44 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO STAFF COMMENTS? NO, SIR.
THANK YOU SO MUCH THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
DOES ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK PLEASE COME FORWARD.
I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS WHERE THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED.
UM, I JUST AGAIN WANT TO MENTION THAT THIS IS A NEW CONSTRUCTION AND ALL NEW CONSTRUCTIONS THAT ARE APPROVED FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS OR HOUSES THAT WILL NOT BE AVAILABLE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO PURCHASE THAT OR TO RENT THAT WILL INCREASE THE HOUSING, HOUSING SHORTAGE THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY EXPERIENCING.
AND IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH DONNA COURT, THERE'S ONLY A FEW HOUSES ON THAT STREET AND THERE'S, WHAT DID YOU SAY ALREADY? FOUR SHORT TERM.
AND HOW MANY HOUSES ARE ON THAT STREET CURRENTLY? 1, 2, 3, 4, I MEAN AT LEAST EIGHT THAT I CAN SEE JUST ON THIS SIDE THERE'S, SO YOU'D HAVE AT LEAST 50% OF THAT STREET BEING SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
THIS IS THE PROBLEM, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU IGNORE THE, THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK THAT OUR COMMUNITIES
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ARE BEING TAKEN OVER BY SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THERE BEING SOME, BUT THERE'S APPARENTLY ENOUGH SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT DO MEET THE A HUNDRED FOOT REQUIREMENT THAT YOU'RE APPROVING EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU HAVE A MEETING THAT WE REALLY DON'T NEED TO APPROVE THE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE THAT A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.
ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE ELSE COME FORWARD, MS. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
YEAH, I APOLOGIZE SINCE I DIDN'T HAVE MY COMPUTER UP AND RUNNING PROPERLY.
THIS IS THE ONE WITH THE GAS FIRE PIT OUT BACK.
UM, THIS ONE IS A SOLO STOVE, CORRECT? YOU HAVE A SOLO STOVE? NO.
DO YOU HAVE A GAS? IT'S PROPANE.
BUT IT SAYS THERE YOU HAVE A CONTROL ON THERE WHERE THEY ENTER CODE? NO, THAT'S LIKE MY LOCKED DOOR.
OH, THAT'S JUST, I THOUGHT IT'S SAID OUTSIDE.
I DON'T, YEAH, IT'S NOT LIKE A YOU PUT DON'T PUT WOOD IN IT.
PLEASE MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR 2 7 9 DONNA COURT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED AYES BE FOR ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.G. R2025-03-01 - Rezoning from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (l) - Tax Map #12—-—- and a Portion of - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone tax map #12— 6F, 4--—----44B, and a portion of from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (l). - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
RZ 2 0 5 0 3 0 1 REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL TAX MAP 12 SIX F FOUR ALLOTTED TO 43 A FOUR TO 44 B AND A PORTION OF FOUR TO 45 B.REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE TAX MAP NUMBER 12 AND SIX F 4 43 A 4 44 B AND A PORTION OF FOUR TO 45 B FROM AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP AND REZONE.
APPROXIMATELY ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT ZERO WINCHESTER ROAD.
6 6 4 4 WINCHESTER ROAD AND 6 7 2 0 WINCHESTER ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL AND ARE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 AS LOT SIX F AND TAX MAP FOUR IS LOTS 44 B 43 A AND 45 B PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND THEY ARE ALL LOCATED, UM, UH, WITH AN EXCEPTION OF A CHUNK OF THE REAR PROPERTY AND THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND THAT CHUNK OF REAR PROPERTY IS IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE PROPOSED REZONING TO INDUSTRIAL FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AREAS.
THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR THE NECESSARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, A 2.635 APPROXIMATELY ACRE PORTION OF LOT 45 B HAS BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE REZONING REQUEST TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AUTOMOBILE FILLING STATION OR ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE THAT WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
THE INTENDED USE IS A WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WITH ANY OTHER LISTED PERMITTED LAND USE UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
GIVEN THAT THE TOTAL DEVELOPED AREA WILL NOT EXCEED 220,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PROPERTIES WILL BE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE INDUSTRIAL ZONED A LOT WITH A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT TO SEPARATE THE AREA TO REMAIN ZONED COMMERCIAL INTO ITS OWN SEPARATE PARCEL.
UH, ALL FOUR SUBJECT PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED INDUSTRIAL ON THE, ON BOTH THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE 20 20 20 TH I'M SORRY.
I APPARENTLY WROTE THIS BEFORE WE PASSED THE COMP PLAN
UM, SO, UH, THEY ARE IDENTIFIED AS INDUSTRIAL ON THE CURRENT
UH, IT WAS ADOPTED EARLIER THIS YEAR AND SO THE PROPOSED REZONING DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY REVISIONS TO THE CURRENT FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, OTHERWISE, UH, WE DID REQUEST COMMENTS FROM, UH, VDOT BUILDING INSPECTIONS FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, THE JAIL, WHICH IS ACROSS THE STREET, RSW IN RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC.
UH, WE INCLUDED ALL COMMENTS, UH, IN THE MEETING PACKET AND THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A PROFFER STATEMENT BACK IN FEBRUARY, UM, WHICH INCLUDES RESTRICTIONS
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ON SPECIFIC LAND.USES A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT RESTRICTION ON TOTAL DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTIES MONETARY CONTRIBUTIONS TO THE COUNTY FOR FIRE AND RESCUE PURPOSES BASED ON THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF EACH BUILDING DUR DUE PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CO CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR EACH BUILDING AND OTHER SITE DESIGN CRITERIA.
I DID CORRESPOND WITH THE APPLICANT EARLIER THIS WEEK AND THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO REVISE THEIR PROFFER STATEMENT TO ACCOUNT FOR SOME OF, UH, THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT WERE IDENTIFIED IN THEIR, UH, TIA, THEIR TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS.
AND SO THEY'RE REQUESTING, UM, THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION BE HELD OO OPEN AND IT BE RETURNED, UH, NEXT, NEXT MONTH AS WELL, UM, TO ACCOUNT FOR THOSE REVISIONS.
UM, SO THEY'RE ASKING FOR YOU TO NOT MOVE IT FORWARD
SO IF I'M AVAILABLE, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
SO WE CAN HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN TABLE IT, THEN TABLE IT AND STILL LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OPEN FOR.
SO YEAH, I THINK THAT THE MOTION WOULD BE TO DELAY THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU WOULD JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IF THE APPLICANT IS NOT WITH US, I ASSUME, OR THE APPLICANT'S REP? NO.
BUT ANYHOW, WITH THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN IF YOU WANNA SIGN UP TO SPEAK.
MR. DOYLE, YOU PLEASE COME FORWARD.
JOSEPH DOYLE, 2 98 COOK LANE, FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.
I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
I WAS JUST COMMISSIONED HERE TO COME AND SIT AND LISTEN TO SEE WHAT THE PROGRESS WAS ON THE MOVEMENT OF THIS CASE AND I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAY.
YOU'RE GONNA TABLE IT FOR NOW UNTIL THERE'S A VDOT REPORT AND SOME OTHER THINGS TO COME FORWARD AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE.
SO I JUST MADE NOTES BACK THERE.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.
I KNOW WHERE THE PROPERTY'S AT.
I'M A FRIEND OF THE APPLICANT.
ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO DELAY, DELAY CLOSURE OF THE PUBLIC HEARING.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE DELAY CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING OF R 2 0 2 5 DASH 3 0 3 DASH ZERO ONE UNTIL NEXT MONTH.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN DELAYED.
WE, UH, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE TO TABLE RIGHT THE NEXT ONE.
THIS, THAT WAS JUST THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT'S NOT THE, UH, CONDITIONAL USE.
THAT'S NOT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO I HAVE TABLE, BUT I GOT SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT BEFORE WE DO THAT.
OH, LET'S, LET'S OPEN UP THE LAST ONE THEN.
UNLESS YOU HAD QUES NO, NO, NO.
WELL, WE GOTTA, WE GOTTA FINISH THIS ONE OUT AND TABLE IT.
WE, WE JUST DID, JUST DID ON G YOU JUST TABLED THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE STILL GOTTA GET H WE, WE HAVEN'T OPENED IT.
GETTING READY TO YEAH, BUT YOU HAVEN'T TABLE G YOU JUST TABLED THE PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS I'M WRONG.
MY POSITION WOULD BE SINCE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN CONTINUED TILL NEXT MONTH, THAT YOU DON'T NEED TO TAKE ANY FURTHER ACTION AND CAN DEAL WITH IT AFTER THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING NEXT MONTH ON, ON G? YES.
I STILL GOT A COMMENT ON THAT ONE THOUGH.
OH, THAT MAY NOT APPLY TO H OH, I NOTICED THAT THAT IN THE, UH, HIT IT SOUTH ON 5 22 VDOT WAS SHOWING THAT THEY WERE GONNA REQUIRE A TURNING LANE.
UH, BUT I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING IN THE MEDIAN ON THE NORTHBOUND LANE AND I GOT A FEELING THAT IF IT'S TRUCK TRAFFIC THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE COMING FROM 76 AND I WOULDN'T WANT A TRUCK TO STOP TO TURN ACROSS THE MEDIAN IN THE LEFT HAND NORTHBOUND LANE.
I, I THINK THAT IF IT WAS MISSED, OR UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD THIS TOO, THAT THAT NEEDS TO HAVE TURNING LANE ALSO.
SO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF I ACTUALLY ATTACHED THE TIA, UM, I HAD THIS TO ATTACH THE SITE PLAN AND I WAS ALREADY DESTROYING THE AGENDA BY DOING THAT.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF I ATTACHED THE FULL TIA, BUT IF IT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT THAT WAS IDENTIFIED IN THE TIA VDOT VERY WELL MAY HAVE JUST AGREED WITH THEIR FINDING.
AND, UM, I, THEY BASICALLY, THEIR COMMENT ON THE TIA WAS THAT THEY AGREED WITH THE, UH, FINDINGS, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THAT, UM, TURNING LANE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO,
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THE TIA IDENTIFIED IT AS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TAPER THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.AND VDOT DISAGREED AND SAID THAT SINCE IT WAS AT 85% OF THE THRESHOLD ARE GONNA REQUIRE A FULL LANE.
UM, SO IF IT WAS AN IMPROVEMENT IDENTIFIED IN THE TIA THEN THEY MAY NOT HAVE MENTIONED IT EXPLICITLY SINCE IT WAS ALREADY ACCOUNT FOR I DIDN'T SEE IT.
BUT THAT DON'T MEAN IT'S NOT THERE.
I DO HAVE THE TI IT JUST SAYS I DID WHAT I READ THOUGH.
IT JUST SHOWED A RIGHT HAND TURNING LANE, WHICH WOULD BE ON THE SOUTHBOUND SIDE OF 5 22 TURNING IN MM-HMM
BUT ON THE NORTHBOUND MAKING A LEFT INTO THE PLACE, IT ABSOLUTELY NEEDS A TURNING LANE.
AND, AND IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT IN THERE, ALL I, I WOULD, IN OTHER WORDS, I WOULD, I AM VERY MUCH IN FAVOR OF THIS.
IT WAS, I STOOD FOR IT IN A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, BUT I WOULD NOT APPROVE THIS AS IS WITHOUT THAT TURNING LANE THAT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO ME.
AS BAD AS I WANT SOME INDUSTRIAL ELEMENT FOR TAX BASE, UH, I I STILL THINK THERE WOULD BE A SAFETY YES HAZARD ALL IF YOU WERE LEFT 66 AND A TRACTOR TRAILER HIT IT NORTH AND WENT TO TURN LEFT IN THAT AND HAD TO STOP IN THE LEFT BOUND NORTH LANE TO CROSS THAT MEDIAN.
'CAUSE THE MEDIAN IS NOT WIDE ENOUGH FOR A TRACTOR TRAILER TO FIT INTO, TO BE OUT OF THE LEFT NORTHBOUND LANE AND THE PLAN'S NOT SHOWING ONE.
SO I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY WANT SOME COMMENTS SENT BACK, ESPECIALLY IF WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.
MOM, WE WOULD REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BEING ADDRESSED FROM VDOT OR SOMEBODY TO TELL ME THAT THAT'S OKAY.
'CAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT DIDN'T SEEM OKAY TO ME.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S PERSON HERE CAN PROBABLY TAKE NOTES AND COMMUNICATE THAT WITH THE APPLICANT AND I WILL ALSO, UH, REACH OUT TO LET THEM KNOW, UM, YOUR GUYS' POSITION ON THAT.
[VI.H. CUP2025-03-01 - Building in Excess of 50,000 SF within the Highway Corridor Overlay District - Tax Map #12 6F, 4 43A, 4 A4B, and 4-------- 45B - A request for a conditional use permit for a building in excess of 50,000 square feet in size within the Highway Corridor Overlay District. The properties are located at 6560, 6644, 6720, and (0) Winchester Road and are identified on tax map #12 6F, 4 43A, 4 44B, and 4-------- 45B. The properties are currently zoned Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) and are located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
TO ITEM HCUP 20 25 0 3 0 1 BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT TAX MAP 12, THE SIX F 4 43 A 4 44 B AND 4 45 B REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 65 60 66 44, 67 20 AND TWO B DETERMINED WINCHESTER ROAD AS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 SIX L FOUR OR 43 A 4 44 B 4 45 B PROPERTY PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL AND ARE LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITHIN THE ROUTE 3 45 22 HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE INTENDED USE IS WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, UM, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WITH ANY OTHER LISTED PERMITTED LAND USE UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
GIVEN THAT THE TOTAL DEVELOPED AREA WILL NOT EXCEED 220,000 SQUARE FEET, A STEEP SLOPE AREA TO THE SOUTHWEST OF THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE, LOCATION WILL BE PRESERVED AS OPEN SPACE TO MITIGATE IMPACTS WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
UM, AS MENTIONED, IT IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THAT'S WHY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS REQUIRED FOR THE BUILDING SIZE AND WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FORMAL SITE PLAN BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND EXTERIOR FINISHES, COLOR RENDERING SAMPLES TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT AND ZONING PERMIT.
NUMBER THREE, OFF STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN THE AMOUNT OF 2.0 SPACES PER WORKER ON THE MAIN SHIFT AS REQUIRED FOR A MANUFACTURING ESTABLISHMENT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE.
UH, NUMBER FOUR, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HIGHWAY COURT OVERLAY DISTRICT SET FORTH UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODES SECTION 180 DASH 29.1 AND NUMBER FIVE, THE TOTAL DEVELOPED AREA OF THE PROPERTY SHALL NOT EXCEED 220,000 SQUARE FEET.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED WE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU HAVE.
AND I ASSUME REPRESENTATIVE, THE APPLICANT IS NOT HERE ALSO.
YEAH, AS FOR ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT WELL, OKAY.
MY PERSONAL THOUGHTS IS PERSONALLY IS BEFORE WE GET TO OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING AND SEEING HOW THIS IS DIRECTLY TIED TO G IS JUST TO TABLE EVERYTHING ON IT UNTIL WE RESOLVE GI AGREE.
DO YOU EVEN OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING OR THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING AT.
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IF YOU'RE, SINCE THE, UH, PREVIOUS ONE WAS OPEN, I WOULD, YOU CAN GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING.JUST CONSIDER THE COMMENTS IN THE AGGREGATE.
SO DO THE SAME AS THE LAST ONE.
PROBABLY 'CAUSE OF THE ADVERTISEMENT, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST ANYONE CARE TO MAKE A MOTION.
I MAKE A MOTION TO DELAY THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING TILL NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[VI.I. Z2025-07-02 - Zoning Text Amendment for Short-Term Tourist Rentals - Three options for text amendments to Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code (zoning ordinance) to modify the existing 100' setback requirement from neighboring residences under the supplementary regulations for short-term tourist rentals: Option A - to eliminate the 100' setback requirement, Option B - to make the 100' setback non-waivable, and Option C - to change the setback requirement to 50' from neighboring residences and to make the 50' setback non-waivable. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
Z 20 25 0 7 0 2 ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.THREE OPTIONS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO MODIFY THE EXISTING 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES UNDER THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
OPTION A TO ELIMINATE THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
OPTION B TO MAKE THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT NON WAIVABLE AND OPTION C TO CHANGE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO 50 FEET FROM THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES AND TO MAKE 50 FOOT SETBACK NON WAVEABLE.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HELD A WORK SESSION ON JULY 8TH OF THIS YEAR TO DISCUSS THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND WAIVING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
AFTER EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THREE OPTIONS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND HOW IT HAS BEEN WAIVED HISTORICALLY.
THE THREE OPTIONS REQUESTED BY THE BOARD ARE AS FOLLOWS.
OPTION ONE PROPOSES TO ELIMINATE THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
OPTION B PROPOSES TO MAKE THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS NON WAIVABLE BY MOVING THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE LISTED SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
AND OPTION C PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS TO 50 FEET AND MAKE IT NON WAIVABLE BY MOVING THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE LISTED SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.
UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
ANYONE SIGN UP TO SPEAK? WATTS HILL.
I LIVE AT TWO EIGHT MOUNTAINTOP ROAD.
I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HIGH KNOB OWNERS ASSOCIATION AND THANK YOU LETTING ME TALK WITH YOU THIS EVENING.
ON THIS, I HAVE A CONCERN WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SHORT TERM RENTALS, I THINK AS YOU ALL HAVE HEARD TOO MANY TIMES, OFTEN IT'S ONE OF TWO FACTORS.
IT'S EITHER NOISE OR THERE'S PROBLEMS WITH PARKING AND, AND PEOPLE.
SO I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE NOISE ISSUE AND I THOUGHT I'D LIKE TO SHARE SOMETHING WITH YOU.
SEE, IT MAY HELP YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU SWITCH FROM A HUNDRED TO 50 FOOT.
IF YOU HAVE NOISE AT A HUNDRED FOOT AT A HUNDRED FEET AND YOU CHANGE THAT TO 50, YOU HAVE NOW INCREASED THE NOISE BY FOUR TIMES.
WHAT'S DONE AS A TECHNICAL TERM IS SIX DB.
I DID SOME SEARCHING THIS EVENING ON THE INTERNET TO HELP VERIFY THAT I'M OLD RETIRED ENGINEER.
THE OTHER THING THAT MIGHT MIGHT FIND INTERESTING IS IF YOU FIGURE THE NOISE LEVEL OF A RESIDENTIAL AREA IS TYPICALLY ABOUT 55 DB, THEY MEASURE IT IN TERMS OF DB IS THE TERM THAT THEY USE.
COMMERCIAL IS 60, THAT'S ONLY FIVE DB DIFFERENCE.
YOU SEE THE SORT OF DIFFERENCE THAT A RESIDENT LIVE IN WOULD SUDDENLY FIND THAT THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH.
AND WHEN THEY MOVE INTO AN AREA, WE ALL HAVE COME IN TYPICALLY WITH CERTAIN ASSUMPTIONS, KNOWING THAT CAN GET YOU IN TROUBLE.
BUT, BUT YOU KNOW, YOU HAD CERTAIN EXPECTATIONS MAYBE IS THE BETTER WORD, AND TO CHANGE TO LOOK AT THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS, WHICH TEND TO HAVE A HIGHER NOISE LEVEL JUST 'CAUSE OF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE ALL INVOLVED FROM A HUNDRED TO 50.
SO FOR THIS EVENING, I'D LIKE TO RECOMMEND THAT YOU CONSIDER NOT CHANGING THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, BUT IF YOU, IF YOU DECIDE TO CONSIDER 50, UNDERSTAND YOU RUN THE RISK OF INCREASING THE NOISE LEVEL FOR THE NEIGHBORS BY FOUR TIMES.
THAT'S ALL I REALLY HAD THIS EVENING.
I THOUGHT PERHAPS JUST SOME FACTS MIGHT BE UPHELD.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THE TIME.
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I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE SKYLAND COMMUNITY CORPORATION.UH, TWO YEARS AGO, ALMOST TO THE DAY WE WERE DISCUSSING OPTIONS A, B, AND C REGARDING THE A HUNDRED FOOT SEPARATIONS.
AFTER FINALLY COMING TO A MUTUALLY AGREEABLE DECISION, SOME HAVE FOUND IT TO BE INCONVENIENT.
ONE SUPERVISOR SAYS THE SOLUTION DOESN'T WORK.
ANOTHER SAYS HE DOESN'T SEE WHY WE NEED, NEED A SEPARATION AT ALL.
OBVIOUSLY HE DOESN'T LIVE NEXT TO ONE.
SO WAIVERS ARE GRANTED ARBITRARILY ALLOWING SOME AND DISAPPROVING OTHERS WITH THE EXACT SAME CRITERIA.
THIS BOARD AND THE SUPERVISORS WHO ARE TIRED OF WRESTLING WITH THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH APPLICATION, THEY WANT THE PROCESS TO BE EASIER.
ALL IT WOULD TAKE TO EASE THE BURDEN OF DECISION MAKING IS TO APPLY THE EXISTING GUIDELINES STRICTLY ACROSS THE BOARD.
NO APPLICANT COULD ACCUSE YOU OF FAVORITISM.
NOT EVERYONE IS GOING TO BE HAPPY, BUT AS LONG AS EVERYBODY KNOWS THE RULES GOING IN, UH, THE GAME IS FAIR.
I KNOW THAT SOME SEE THE INFLUX OF TOURISTS AS THE SOLUTION TO THE BUDGET DEFICITS, BUT PLEASE DON'T IGNORE THE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE BEEN PAYING TAXES STEADILY FOR MORE THAN 40 YEARS IN MY CASE.
AND I DON'T WANNA BE WITHIN SPITTING DISTANCE OF A WEEKEND PARTY HOUSE.
ALSO, THERE'S A HOUSING SHORTAGE IN THE COUNTY AND FOR EVERY APPLICATION YOU APPROVE FOR AN EXISTING PROPERTY, IT'S A PROPERTY YOU'VE TAKEN OFF THE MARKET AND A LIE VACANT FOR MONTHS AS A LAST RESORT, ONE OF OUR SUPERVISORS HAS SUGGESTED SETTING UP A REVIEW COMMITTEE THAT WOULD ALLOW INPUT FROM THE APPLICANT'S PLANNING AND THE GOVERNMENT GOVERNING BODY OF THE SUBDIVISION IN QUESTION.
THE WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS HAS WORKED WITH MATT AND CHASE IN THE PAST TO COME UP WITH GUIDELINES THAT ARE REASONABLE.
YOUR DECISION WILL ALLOW PERMITS TO BE ISSUED THAT WILL RUN WITH THE LAND PERMANENTLY.
PLEASE DO NOT BE SHORTSIGHTED.
ADOPT OPTION B, MAINTAIN THE A HUNDRED FOOT SEPARATION.
I'LL ASK ME ONE ELSE WANTS TO.
UM, SO IF I WAS DRIVING 60 MILES AN HOUR IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A 30 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT, AND I CAME IN HERE AND SAID, I DON'T THINK THIS LAW SHOULD APPLY TO ME, WOULD YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, OF COURSE NOT.
WHAT IF I GOT LETTERS FROM EVERYONE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD SAYING THEY KNOW MY CAR AND THE WAY I DRIVE, SO THEY THINK IT'S SAFE FOR ME TO DRIVE 60 MILES AN HOUR THERE? WOULD YOU THEN SAY, OKAY, OF COURSE NOT.
AND IF LOTS OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T LIVE HERE ASK FOR WAIVERS TO THE SPEED LIMIT IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WOULD YOU JUST ELIMINATE IT AGAIN? OF COURSE NOT.
SO WHY WOULD YOU DO IT FOR STTR LAWS? WHY SHOULD SOMEONE THAT HAS PROBABLY NEVER LIVED HERE WALK IN AND SAY, I DON'T THINK THIS LAW SHOULD APPLY TO ME.
AND YOU JUST SAY, OKAY, HERE'S YOUR WAIVER.
OR WORSE, ELIMINATE THE LAW ENTIRELY BECAUSE THE WANTS OF OUT-OF-STATE BUSINESSES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE NEEDS OF OUR RESIDENTS IN OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
THE ANSWER SHOULD BE, OF COURSE NOT.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF I WAS DRIVING 60 MILES AN HOUR ON THE WAY TO THE HOSPITAL WITH SOMEONE IN THE BACKSEAT HAVING A HEART ATTACK, AND I ASKED THE OFFICER THAT PULLED ME OVER FOR A WAIVER, MAYBE I WOULD GET ONE BECAUSE IT WAS A MATTER OF LIFE AND DEATH.
THE SAME SHOULD BE TRUE FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
IT SHOULD BE A RARE THING TO GET A WAIVER AND ONLY FOR A VERY COMPELLING REASON EQUIVALENT TO AN EMERGENCY SITUATION.
BUT SOMEONE JUST SAYING, I DON'T THINK THIS LAW SHOULD APPLY TO ME.
THAT 100 FOOT REGULATION IS THERE FOR A REASON TO PROTECT OUR RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS.
IF THE 100 FOOT REQUIREMENT DID NOT EXIST, THE FOUR HOUSES CLOSEST TO ME WOULD ALREADY BE AIRBNBS ON WHAT USED TO BE A SLEEPY GRAVEL ROAD ON A MOUNTAIN.
AND THE HEAVEN I LIVED IN FOR 18 YEARS WOULD BE HELL.
THERE IS A NECESSARY LAW TO PROTECT HOMEOWNERS AND NEIGHBORHOODS.
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THE LAW IS NOT BROKE.DON'T ELIMINATE IT, ENFORCE IT.
ADD STRICT GUIDELINES FOR A VERY RARE ISSUANCE OF A WAIVER.
IT SHOULD BE AN OBVIOUS DECISION.
ANYONE ELSE? CARE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
UH, I OWN A PROPERTY AT 2 0 9 LOU CHASE.
UM, I HAVE NO, UH, INTENTION AT THIS POINT TO MAKE THAT AN AIRBNB OR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, BUT I, I FEEL THE NEED TO EXPRESS MY THOUGHTS AS A PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, AND WHAT AT SOME POINT I MAY DECIDE THAT I WANT TO, UM, OPERATE, YOU KNOW, AN AIRBNB, UH, FROM THAT LOCATION.
SO I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN COME UP WITH DRAMATIC SITUATIONS TO, TO, TO JUSTIFY ALL OF OUR, OUR THOUGHTS TO, I FEEL LIKE IT'S A PROPERTY OWNER.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO CONDUCT YOUR BUSINESS, UH, THE WAY YOU HAVE IT PLANNED IN REGARD TO YOUR PROPERTY.
UM, I FEEL LIKE FOR SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL APPLICANTS OR PEOPLE WHO OPERATE THOSE, THERE'S ALREADY REGULATIONS IN PLACE.
AS WE HEARD EARLIER TONIGHT IN OTHER, UM, APPLICATIONS.
YOU KNOW, THERE IS NO NOISE ORDINANCES.
THERE IS, YOU KNOW, NO OUTDOOR FIRES.
THERE'S NO FIREWORKS, THERE'S NO PETS.
UM, SO I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE REAL GUIDELINES THAT AREN'T ARBITRARY TO, YOU KNOW, I WAS AT THE MEETING WITH THE BOARD OF COUNTY SUPERVISORS WHEN THEY HAD THIS CONVERSATION AND IT WENT BACK TO LIKE, WHERE DID WE GET THE A HUNDRED FEET FROM? DID WE HAVE A, A SCIENTIFIC STUDY TO SAY THAT A HUNDRED FEET IS THE SPACE WE NEED TO NOT HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, ENCUMBRANCE FROM NEIGHBORS.
UM, AND, AND THE FEELING BETWEEN THOSE FOLKS WAS THAT IT WAS JUST KIND OF LIKE, LET'S JUST GO WITH A HUNDRED FEET BECAUSE IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF AN EVEN NUMBER AND IT'S A HUNDRED FEET AND IT'S, IT'S EASY TO KIND OF APPLY IT, BUT I FEEL LIKE A HUNDRED FEET HERE IS NOT THE SAME AS A HUNDRED FEET OVER HERE.
SAME WAY AS 50 FEET HERE IS NOT THE SAME AS 50 FEET OVER HERE.
I FEEL LIKE THE LAY OF THE LAND, TREES, BUFFERS, UM, ALL THOSE THINGS, UM, MAKE IT HARD TO HAVE JUST A SET ARBITRARY FOOTAGE.
SO MY THOUGHT IS THAT THE WEIGHT, THE, THE REGULATION FOR THE FOOTAGE SHOULD BE DONE AWAY WITH.
AND THERE'S ENOUGH REGULATION IN PLACE, PARKING, UM, ALL THE THINGS THAT THAT PERSON HAS TO DO TO MAKE THAT PROPERTY ATTRACTIVE, ATTRACTIVE TO POTENTIAL, UH, PEOPLE TO STAY THERE.
I KNOW THAT THE HOUSE THAT WE BOUGHT, UM, MY SON INTENDS TO LIVE THERE AS HIS RESIDENCE, BUT THE, THE HOUSE WAS VACANT FOR 20 YEARS.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS IN DISREPAIR WHEN WE BOUGHT IT.
UM, WE'RE GONNA FIX IT UP AND MAKE IT NICE, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF HOUSES THAT, THAT ARE IN THAT STATE THAT POTENTIALLY COULD BE FIXED UP.
AND THE VALUE OF THE PROPERTY IS, IS LESS BASED ON THE REGULATION.
I LIVE AT 57 PEPPER COURT, SKYLAND ESTATES.
I'M ALSO VICE PRESIDENT OF THE SKYLAND COMMUN, UH, SKYLAND ESTATES SANITARY DISTRICT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THIS TOPIC THIS EVENING.
THE IN THE PAST, UH, WORK WITH ZONING AND PLANNING AND WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, AND THE SEVERAL COMMUNITY CORPORATIONS, UM, SANITARY DISTRICTS, HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATIONS.
IN THE PAST YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF, WE HAMMERED OUT A COMPROMISE OF THE A HUNDRED FOOT, UH, SEPARATION FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I PERSONALLY WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT MAINTAINED, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE IT ENFORCED WITHOUT WAIVER.
AND THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THIS IS THAT AS A POTENTIAL BUSINESS, UH, IF I WERE TO WANT TO OPEN A BUSINESS, PART OF THAT WOULD BE FORMULATING MY BUSINESS PLAN.
AND THAT WOULD INCLUDE MY DOING MY DUE DILIGENCE.
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SO PRIOR TO PURCHASING A PROPERTY TO OPERATE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, IT WOULD BEHOOVE ME AS PART OF MY BUSINESS PLAN TO SEARCH OUT WHAT THE REGULATIONS ARE AND DESIGN MY BUSINESS PLAN AND SELECT AN APPROPRIATE PROPERTY THAT FITS WITHIN THAT FRAMEWORK.FAILURE TO DO ADEQUATE DUE DILIGENCE, I DO NOT BELIEVE IS CAUSE FOR CHANGING THE RULES.
I WOULD, EXCUSE ME, RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GO WITH OPTION B, MAINTAIN THE A HUNDRED FOOT SEPARATION AND NOT GRANT WAIVERS.
I'M GILLIAN GREENFIELD, UM, 14 EAST PICCADILLY STREET, WINCHESTER, VIRGINIA.
UH, I WAS AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, UH, UM, WORK SESSION, UM, A FEW WEEKS AGO.
AND THE REASON FOR THE WORK SESSION WAS THE TABLING OF MY CUP.
THERE WAS A CIRCUMSTANCE WITH MY CUP THAT'S EXTRAORDINARY.
IN FACT, MR. HENRY HAD POINTED OUT THAT WHEN THIS A HUNDRED SETBACK RULE WAS, UH, CREATED, IT NEVER TOOK INTO CONSIDERATION THE PARTICULAR SITUATION I WAS IN.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, THERE'S LOTS OF SITUATIONS YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT WHERE RULES ARE MADE AND THEN, UH, CIRCUMSTANCES OCCUR THAT YOU HADN'T THOUGHT ABOUT, THAT THE RULE ENDS UP WORKING AGAINST IN THIS PARTICULAR SITUATION, WORKING IN THE DIRECTION OF HOW DECISIONS HAVE BEEN MADE.
HISTORICALLY, 29 WAIVERS HAVE BEEN MADE, ONLY THREE DENIED.
THAT MEANS IN EVERY SPECIFIC CASE OF THOSE 29 WAIVERS, UH, 26 OF THOSE WERE FAVORABLE FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, IT MADE SENSE.
UH, SO ACTUALLY MAKING THE DECISION TO OFFER OPTION A IS CONTINUING TO MOVE IN THE DIRECTION WHERE IT MAKES SENSE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD, WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FEET, STILL HAVE BE PERMITTED TO HAVE A, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL.
UM, BUT I WANTED TO SPEAK MORE SPECIFICALLY ABOUT, UH, YOUR ROLE TODAY.
AND THAT IS ADDRESSING THE NEEDS OF OUR COMMUNITY, NOT JUST ENFORCING, UH, THE PAST DECISIONS OF WHAT THIS A HUNDRED FOOT RULE, UH, UH, CREATES, UM, WITH EACH VARIANCE IN EACH PARTICULAR SITUATION.
IT'S A SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATION FROM PAST BOARDS AND IT LACKS A CLEAR BASIS AND UNKNOWN ORIGIN AGAIN, HENCE THAT WORK SESSION A FEW WEEKS AGO, TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH THIS THING THAT'S CONSIDERED A PEBBLE IN THE SHOE FOR YOU.
UH, IF ITS RELEVANCE IS HARD TO DETERMINE AS IT PERTAINS TO HEALTH AND SAFETY AND ITS ENFORCEMENT HAS OTHERWISE BEEN BASED SOLELY ON TRADITION, IT SHOULD BE WAIVED.
IT'S SUBJECTIVE AND CREATES INCONSISTENCIES WHEN ONE IS APPROVED AND ANOTHER IS DENIED.
NOT TO MENTION INCONSISTENT LAND RIGHTS BETWEEN NEIGHBORS.
SPEAKING OF LAND RIGHTS, WHEN THAT ORIGINAL A HUNDRED FOOT RULE WAS DESIGNED, IT KEPT ONE FOOT IN AND ONE FOOT OUT ABOUT LAND RIGHTS.
SO YOU FELT LIKE YOU WERE MAKING A DECISION TO PROTECT NEIGHBORS, BUT THEN YOU CREATED THE VARIANCE.
HERE'S THE THING THAT LED OPENED THE DOOR TO STARTING TO LIMIT PEOPLE'S LAND RIGHTS AND WHAT THIS DOES, OPTION B AND C, A HUNDRED FEET AND 50 FEET ABSOLUTELY UNEQUIVOCALLY TAKES AWAY PEOPLE'S LAND RIGHTS.
SO THAT'S WHAT YOU'D BE VOTING ON.
UH, B AND C IS TAKING AWAY PEOPLE'S LAND RIGHTS.
AND IF THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY UNDERSTOOD THAT ANY HOUSE UNDER A HUNDRED FEET WOULD BE DENIED EVEN THE ABILITY TO APPLY AN APPLICATION, IF THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT'S WHAT'S ACTUALLY BEING VOTED ON THIS COURTHOUSE, THIS PARKING LOT COULDN'T HOLD ALL THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY THAT WOULD BE STANDING UP FOR THEIR LAND RIGHTS TODAY.
FINALLY, I ASK YOU AND IMPLORE YOU NOT TO BE COWARDICE IN YOUR DECISION MAKING VOTING FOR A 50 FOOT SETBACK IS THE SAME PROBLEM AS THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.
ANYONE ELSE HERE TO SPEAK? I, RICHARD BUTCHER 1423 GRAYSTONE TERRACE.
I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION A A HUNDRED PERCENT ELIMINATION OF THE SETBACK RULE AND FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS, GIVEN OUR CURRENT SITUATION.
UM, HOW CAN MY NEIGHBOR HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL? BUT I CANNOT, BASED ON THE A HUNDRED FOOT RULE, OUR LAND RIGHTS ARE FUNDAMENTALLY NOT EQUAL.
UM, WITH THE A HUNDRED FOOT RULE OR ANY SETBACK RULE, IT WILL DISCOURAGE US AND OTHERS FROM FIXING UP VACANT AND RUN DOWN HOUSES THAT FALL WITHIN THIS A HUNDRED FOOT RULE.
FURTHER FRUSTRATION IS THE A HUNDRED FOOT RULE IS BE, UM, THE A HUNDRED FOOT RULE ALSO BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS
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WHY IT EXISTS.IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SAFETY AND OTHER, AND NO OTHER MUNICIPALITY EVEN HAS THIS ROLE.
AND AS MANY OF, UM, AS MANY OF YOU AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEMBERS HAVE STATED, UM, NO ONE EVER IMAGINED THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK WOULD BE USED TO KEEP SOMEONE ELSE OUT THAT HAD THE SAME VARIANCE FOR THEIR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO THAT BEING SAID, HERE ARE MORE EXAMPLES TO THINK ABOUT.
IF A NEIGHBOR DOESN'T WANT ANOTHER TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL, THEY COULD SIMPLY PUT AN ADDITION ON THEIR HOUSE THAT MAKES IT 95 OR EVEN 45 FEET WITH OPTION B AND C TO STOP THAT NEIGHBOR.
NUMBER TWO, IF I BUY A HOUSE AND THE LOT NEXT TO ME IS VACANT, I HAVE THE RIGHT AT THAT POINT TO GET A SHORT-TERM RENTAL PERMIT.
IF SAID VACANT LOT IS BUILT ON, THE OWNER COULD MAKE SURE THE HOUSE IS 95 OR EVEN 45 FEET AWAY WITH OPTION B AND C TO TAKE AWAY MY RIGHT TO HAVE A SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THERE AGAIN, JUST OTHER OPTIONS THAT WE MAY NOT EVEN HAVE EVER THOUGHT ABOUT.
LASTLY, WE ALREADY HAVE LEGAL MECHANISMS IN PLACE FOR PEOPLE TO CALL IF THERE ARE ANY ISSUES, WHETHER WE HAVE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL TIP LINE, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, OR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IF A CRIME WERE ACTUALLY TO BE COMMITTED.
WE HAVE LAWS IN PLACE FOR THESE.
WE EVEN ALREADY HAVE A NOISE ORDINANCE.
IN SHORT, WE DON'T NEED ADDITIONAL RULES GOVERNING RENTALS.
WE ALREADY HAVE ALL THE RULES, LAWS, AND ORDINANCES IN PLACE TO KEEP NEIGHBORS AND NEIGHBORHOODS SAFE.
ANYONE ELSE? ANYONE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED CARE IF I GIVE IT A CRACK, HAVE AT IT.
OH, A LOT OF PEOPLE SPOKE, MADE SOME GOOD POINTS AND I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANY OF YOU IS WRONG.
OH, THE CLOSER YOU GET, THE LOUDER THE NOISE IS.
UH, OBVIOUSLY WE'D LIKE THE A HUNDRED FOOT, BUT WHAT IF THE HOUSE BESIDE, IT'S ALREADY A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL TOO.
WHAT IF BOTH OF 'EM ARE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS? WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES THE NOISE MAKE? WHAT IF, UH OH, IT'S AN OLD HOUSE BEING RESTORED AND IT WASN'T GOOD, UH, FOR A GOOD LONG-TERM RENTAL, IT FIXES THE HOUSE UP.
WE'VE HAD A GOOD SUCCESS WITH THAT IN SHENANDOAH FARMS. OH, IT WAS ALSO MENTIONED THERE IS SOME NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT ARE BEING SHORT.
A LOT OF THESE ARE SECOND HOMES.
IT JUST GIVES THE PERSON THAT HAS THAT SECOND HOME AN OPTION TO RECOVER SOME OF HIS FUNDINGS.
UH, ONCE TONIGHT ON DONNA COURT, I DID SOME WORK ON DONNA COURT FOR THE GUY THAT DEVELOPED THAT THING.
THOSE HOUSES ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
UH, I THINK IT'S TERRIBLE FOR A LONG TERM RESIDENT ENOUGH TO ME, THE WHOLE STREET SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED TO BUILD AS SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO RAISE THE FAMILY.
IN THE WINTERTIME WHEN KIDS HAVE TO GO TO SCHOOL, THE SANITARY DISTRICT HAS TO APPLY SNOW REMOVAL SERVICE TO GET THOSE PEOPLE OUT.
BUT IF THEY WERE ALL VACATION RENTALS, YOU COULD SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THE SAME IF YOU WERE GOING TO NAGSHEAD OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AND IT WAS A STORM, YOU'RE NOT DISPLACED AS A PERMANENT RESIDENT.
YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA VACATION THERE.
'CAUSE THE WEATHER'S NOT GONNA ALLOW IT.
SO WHEN YOU GO TO THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, THE ONES WERE DENIED WERE THE ONES THAT I VOTED NO ON, WAS WHEN IT WAS A RESIDENCE BESIDE IT.
THAT WAS NOT A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
AND THE GUY WASN'T COMFORTABLE THAT IT WAS TOO CLOSE.
AND ACCORDING TO THE RECORDS, IT MUST HAVE BEEN THREE TIMES AT LEAST ALL THE ONES THAT I VOTE TO APPROVE, TO WAIVE ON IS IF THEY'VE GOT THE SUPPORT OF THE NEIGHBOR.
SO IN SOME CASES, I'VE SEEN WHERE ONE GUY OWNS THE HOUSE AND HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE BESIDE IT AND HE WANTS IT AS A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY HE CAN ENFORCE THE NOISE INTO PARKING.
HE'S HIS OWN NEIGHBOR AT THAT POINT IN HIS OWN PROPERTY MANAGER.
SO I WOULDN'T FORCE HIM TO HAVE THE A HUNDRED FOOT.
I MEAN, THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.
AND THEN THERE'S, WE'VE GOT SO MANY OLD NON-COMPLIANT STRUCTURES WHERE I'VE SEEN WHERE IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT THE GUY BOUGHT THE HOUSE SIDING, SAID, HEY, I I WAS NOT SUCCESSFUL AS A LONG-TERM RENTAL FOR WHATEVER REASON.
I'M GONNA SWITCH IT TO SHORT-TERM RENTAL.
THE PROBLEM THAT WE'VE GOT RIGHT NOW IS, IS SHE'S GOT A, A WEIRD ONE.
SHE'S GOT 95 FEET, SHE'S MISSING IT BY THIS MUCH.
THE GUY THAT SHE'S MISSING BESIDE IT HAS GOT A SHORT TERM RENTAL THAT HE OWNS ON THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S 45 FEET AWAY.
SO IS HE UPSET THAT SHE'S FIVE FEET TOO CLOSE AND IT'S GONNA DISTURB HIS PEACE? OR IS HE MORE UPSET THAT SHE'S COMPETITION? THE CURRENT BOARD IS TOO WEAK TO MAKE A DECISION AND THEY WANT US TO FIX AN ORDINANCE THAT DON'T NEED TO FIX IT BECAUSE THEY'RE WEAK ON MAKING A DECISION.
IF THEY FEEL THAT FIVE FEET IS DISTURBING IN THAT GUY, THEY SHOULD VOTE NOT.
I PERSONALLY LEANED THE OTHER WAY.
I THOUGHT WE COULD ADD SOME ADDITIONAL BUFFERING AND SCREENING THE FIVE FOOT'S JUST A PORCH.
I DON'T THINK FIVE FOOT WOULD FOUR TIMES DECIBEL,
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BUT 50 FOOT WOULD.SO WE'RE MISSING IT BY FIVE FOOT.
THEY WANT US TO REWRITE THE ORDINANCE TO SUPPORT THEIR DECISION THAT THEY CAN'T MAKE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
PERSONALLY, I WOULD DENY CHANGING IT, BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE AND I LEAVE IT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE OTHER PLAN.
OKAY, COMMENT THAT I WANNA MAKE ON THIS IS I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THESE MINIMUM DISTANCES RATHER THAN BEING A HUNDRED FOOT BLANKET, DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU LIVE, SCOTT, BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, YOU'D HAVE A HARD TIME GETTING A HUNDRED FEET BETWEEN HOUSES.
WE GOT 30 FEET ONE A FEW YEARS BACK.
I TOOK A VACATION IN CHARLESTON, RENT A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL, AND IT WAS A TOWNHOUSE.
YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET A HUNDRED FEET SEPARATION ON TOWNHOUSES.
THAT'S THE REASON I'D LIKE TO SEE IT MORE, YOU KNOW, DEVELOPED TO WHAT COMMUNITY YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT OUT IN RURAL AREAS, THESE TYPE THINGS.
YES, BUT THAT'S ABOUT ALL I'VE GOT TO SAY ON IT.
I JUST, THERE, THERE SEEMS TO BE A MISUNDERSTANDING WITH SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT SPOKE TONIGHT.
THE WAIVERS THAT WE'VE ISSUED HAVE ONLY BEEN WHEN BOTH, BOTH NEIGHBORS OR THE NEIGHBOR THAT WAS UNDER A HUNDRED FOOT AGREED TO IT.
AND THAT HAS BEEN THAT WAY FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TWO YEARS.
NOW, WHAT THE BOARD DOES IS ANOTHER THING, BUT OURS IS A RECOMMENDATION GOING TO THEM AND THEY CAN REVERSE OUR DECISION.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT THE WAIVER HAS BEEN IS WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN HAND, THE LETTER FROM THE, UH, NEIGHBORS.
BUT IN SAYING, SO WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS SEVERAL TIMES HERE.
THE A HUNDRED FOOT IS, LIKE WE SAID, IT'S AN ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT KNOWING HOW NOISE DISSIPATES AND SOME OF THESE HOMES HAVE FAIRLY NICE YARDS, THE ONES THAT WE'VE SEEN TONIGHT.
AND I COULD SEE KIDS COMING OUT THERE, GRANDKIDS COMING OUT AND HAVING A GOOD, GOOD OLD TIME THERE.
NOW, ARE THEY GONNA BE UP PAST NINE O'CLOCK? PROBABLY NOT.
BUT THE THING IS, THERE'S STILL GONNA BE NOISE.
UH, WHERE I LIVE, THERE IS NO NOISE.
SOMEONE CLO OPENS THEIR GARAGE DOOR.
THAT MAKES MORE NOISE THAN WE HEAR ALL DAY.
BUT THE, UH, YEAH, I'M, I'M IN FAVOR OF SOME KIND OF DISTANCE, SOME TYPE OF THING.
WE'RE LIKE ON DOWN A COURT WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE ANY BACKYARD.
LIKE THE ONE WE APPROVED TONIGHT.
HE'S GOT, WHAT, FIVE, SIX FEET BEFORE IT DROPS OFF.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S WHY I LIKE THE A HUNDRED FOOT AS A GENERAL RULE, BUT IF IT DIDN'T FIT THAT AND IT WASN'T HURTING CORRECT, WE COULD REDUCE IT.
BUT IF, IF, IF WE FELT THAT IT WAS HARMFUL, RIGHT, WE COULD USE THE A HUNDRED FOOT AS A TOOL TO DENY CORRECT, WITHOUT QUESTION ALL.
SO I THINK THE WAY WE ARE OPERATING PROVIDES THE OPPORTUNITY IF BOTH NEIGHBORS DO AGREE.
NOW, ONE THING, I'VE BEEN READING THIS IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE LOTS THAT, UH, CAME BEFORE US TONIGHT.
THERE ARE VACANT LOTS ON BOTH SIDES AND THOSE, THEY'RE THE LONG NARROW LOTS AND IT WAS ALLUDED TO BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS TONIGHT.
WHAT HAPPENS THEN? DOES A SHORT TERM RENTAL LOSE A CUP? BECAUSE NOW A HOUSE IS 40 FEET FROM THEM? YOU CAN ASK LEGAL, BUT I THINK IF IT'S THERE FIRST, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN TAKE IT AWAY BY BUILDING THE HOUSE BESIDE IT.
IT'S ALREADY IN EXISTING CONDITION.
ONCE, ONCE THAT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS ISSUED, IT MAY HAVEN'T RIGHT? UNTIL IT GETS REMOVED.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY COMING UP AND SHARING THEIR, UH, THEIR CONCERNS AND, AND I DO AGREE THERE IS A CONCERN.
UM, I'M NEW TO THE SEAT, SO I'M LEARNING ABOUT ALL THE SETBACKS AND THE REQUIREMENTS AND I THANK YOU FOR, UH, ALLOWING ME A LITTLE BIT OF OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND IT.
I HAD BEEN A LONG-TERM RESIDENT UP IN SKYLAND ESTATES AND JUST RECENTLY RELOCATED INTO, UH, THE BROWNTOWN AREA.
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SO I DO HAVE SOME, UH, PERSONAL COMPASSION THERE FOR, UH, FOR THAT.UM, HAVING SAID THAT, UNDERSTANDING OUR COMMUNITY IS GOING INTO A LOT OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, UH, FOR THESE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, I HONESTLY CANNOT SAY THAT I FEEL THAT CHANGING A REQUIREMENT IS REALLY GOING TO MAKE THAT MUCH OF A DIFFERENCE IF WE'RE LOOKING AT EACH CASE ON AN INDIVIDUAL BASIS.
SO WHAT WE HAVE IN PLACE, I UNDERSTAND IT MAY NEED TO BE MODIFIED.
UM, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SETTING IT BACK TO 50.
I AM A SHORT TERM VACATION STAYER AIRBNB.
AND, UM, I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO MAINTAIN SOME PRIVACY, YOU KNOW, FOR THE NEIGHBORING.
NOW IF THE NEIGHBOR'S ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, IF EVERYBODY'S IN, IN COMPLIANCE AND UNDERSTANDING AND IN AGREEMENT TO IT TO MAKE AN AMENDMENT BEYOND OR TO BE LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET, I, I FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH.
BUT SETTING IT STRAIGHT UP AT 50 FEET, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH SUPPORTING THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT.
I'M NOT EITHER AND I'M DEFINITELY NOT IN SUPPORT OF COMPLETELY GOING AWAY WITH ANY SETBACK.
RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BE GLOVES OFF IN FOR SURE, BUT MM-HMM
FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE AND NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.
I MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THAT IS IT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS TONIGHT.
[VII.A. SP2024-01-01 - Preliminary Site Plan for Rockland Road Industrial - Phase 1 - A request for final site plan approval for phase 1 of a warehousing and distribution facility. Identified on tax map 12A--116--- A3, the subject property is zoned Industrial (1) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]
BUSINESS PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR ROCKLAND ROAD INDUSTRIAL PHASE ONE.REQUEST FOR A FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF PHASE ONE FOR A WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
THESE AREN'T TOO LOUD, I CAN KEEP TALKING IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP.
12 A DASH ONE 16 DASH A THREE.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
ATTACHED IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR ROCKLAND ROAD INDUSTRIAL PHASE ONE.
SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF RUSH MARK PROPERTIES.
UH, LLC WITH AGENCY APPROVALS FROM COUNTY ZONING VDEQ BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS.
PHASE ONE INCLUDES THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 A UH, ONE 16 A THREE FOR TWO WAREHOUSE BUILDINGS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 269,500 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
THE PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL WITH PROFFERS FROM THE, THE REZONING OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE PROPOSED WAREHOUSING AND DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
LAND USE IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT.
THE DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
HOWEVER, THIS PHASE, PHASE ONE IS LOCATED ENTIRELY OUTSIDE OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
UM, THE CUP WILL BE, IS NECESSARY FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF PHASES TWO AND THREE, WHICH ARE LOCATED ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR.
UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE AND THAT ALL NECESSARY AGENCY APPROVALS HAVE BEEN OBTAINED AS OF JULY 21ST, 2025 PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 64 A FIVE C FOUR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL ACT ON ANY PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITHIN 60 DAYS AFTER IT HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL SET FORTH IN WRITING THE REASONS FOR SUCH DENIAL AND SHALL STATE WHAT CORRECTIONS OR MODIFICATIONS WILL PER WILL PERMIT APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER THE PLAN HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL ACT ON THE PLAN THAT IT PREVIOUSLY DISAPPROVED WITHIN 45 DAYS.
UM, THE APPLICANT DIDN'T HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE HERE.
I DID COMMUNICATE THAT IT WAS MORE OF AN ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.
UM, BUT I CAN COMMUNICATE ANYTHING WITH THEM THAT YOU GUYS WANT ME TO.
I'M ASSUMING THAT THE PRELIMINARY CLEARING AND THEN STOPPING OF THIS WAS BECAUSE OF THE LONG-EARED BAD ORDINANCE.
IT'S JUST, JUST PERSONAL INFORMATION MORE THAN THING.
I KNOW IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA THERE'S CERTAIN TIMES OF THE YEAR THAT YOU CAN'T CLEAR BECAUSE OF LONG-EARED BATS, BUT SO WHAT CONTRACTORS ARE DOING IS GOING IN AND TAKING DOWN TREES AND THEN DURING THAT TIME WHEN THE ORDINANCES IN PLACE, SINCE THEY COME BACK AND FINISH CLEARING
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'CAUSE THE TREES AREN'T STANDING ANYMORE.WELL, THEY HAVEN'T STARTED CLEARING.
THEY JUST KNOCKED EVERYTHING DOWN.
I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY WERE COMING IN TO GRIND THAT STUFF OR WHAT, WHAT THE YEAH, WHAT THE LONG TERM PLAN WHILE THEY WENT IN AND LAID IT DOWN AND DIDN'T, UH, AND DIDN'T GO ANY FARTHER ON THE VDOT.
ARE THEY DOING ANYTHING? WHAT ARE THEY DOING TO ROCKLAND ROAD FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT OR, UH, YEAH, FOR THE TURNING LANES AND STUFF.
'CAUSE THOSE SEMI, THOSE SEMIS ARE GONNA BLOCK THE, UH, WHEN THEY'RE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN TO GET BACK TO FIVE 20 TWOS, THEY'RE GONNA ROCK BLOCK THE WHOLE ROAD.
IT IF THEY DON'T HAVE A SO YOU'RE SAYING WHEN YOU TAKE A LEFT YEAH.
WHEN YOU'RE PULLING OUT OF THE, THE WAREHOUSES, IT WOULD PROBABLY TAKE ABOUT 20 MINUTES FOR ME TO GET THAT SITE PLAN SHEET UP, UH, ON MY LAPTOP.
UM, BUT I CAN SAY THAT THE COMMENTS FROM GDO DIG CONFIRM SHE DO THAT, THAT THEY WERE GOOD WITH THE PLANS.
THEY BASICALLY GAVE 'EM INSTRUCTIONS FOR HOW TO GET STARTED.
NOW WE GOT THE OVER, WE FLY OVER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SEMIS BLOCK OUT THE ROAD.
AND OBVIOUSLY THERE WILL BE THE CONNECTOR ROAD, UH, DEVELOPED WHEN PHASES TWO AND THREE GO IN.
I WAS GONNA SAY THEY DID KEEP THAT EASEMENT THROUGH THERE.
NOW WITH, UH, LIVING IN THAT DISTRICT AND DRIVING PAST THERE AT LEAST TWICE A DAY, I SAID THIS, I DON'T SEE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT AT ALL.
IT'S TYPICAL WAREHOUSE AND IF YOU REMEMBER THE HISTORY OF THE PARCEL, IT WAS ACTUALLY APPROVED FOR, UH, WELL IT WAS COMMERCIAL BEFORE IT WAS REZONED AND IT WAS APPROVED FOR, UH, A SHOPPING CENTER YEAH.
AND IT JUST WAS NEVER MARKETABLE.
GOTTEN OFF THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK.
SO THEY BASICALLY CAME BACK IN WITH AN INDUSTRIAL PLAN INSTEAD.
AND SO YEAH, THAT WAS ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, SO I THINK YEP.
THEY ORIGINALLY CAME THROUGH OWNING A DATA CENTER WITH IT ALSO AND WE SHOT THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT THE BOARD AT THE TIME SHOT THAT DOWN.
THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH FOUR SIX.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE ROCKLAND ROAD INDUSTRIAL PHASE ONE SITE PLAN.
I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[VIII. Consent Agenda ]
AGENDA AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.WELL, WE HAVE ONE OF THE, UH, APPLICANTS HERE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? NO, I DON'T.
IT'S, IT'S THE, ALSO THE REZONING.
AND I'M HAPPY WITH THE LANGUAGE ON THAT.
MR. CHAIRMAN, I MAKE A MOTION THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
I THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IX. Commission Matters ]
MATTERS.SCOTT, YOU GOT ANYTHING? HAPPY? LABOR DUTY.
SPOKE EARLIER IF YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR HIM, DID YOU? MM-HMM.
YOU GOT ANYTHING? MATTERS FOR THIS MONTH? NO, I BETTER NOT
HE'S ALREADY STARTING TO TALK LIKE A POLITICIAN.
HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS? YOU GOT ANYTHING? YOU GOT ANYTHING FROM COMMENTS THIS MONTH? NO.
HERE COVERING FOR MR. BOWMAN TONIGHT.
GOOD TO MEET YOU WITH YOU MR. LENS.
WE'LL, UH, SECOND MR. HENRY'S MOTION THERE.
UNFORTUNATELY YOU'RE NOT GONNA COOK CLEAN SWEEP.
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CHASE, YOU KNOW THIS, UM, THIS IS YOUR PERIODIC REMINDER TO CHECK YOUR EMAIL AND IF YOU GET ANYTHING THAT IS PERTINENT TO ONE OF THE NO CASES ITEMS ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE MAKE SURE THAT PLANNING STAFF GETS THEM.
BRIDGET HAD SOMETHING IN HER EMAIL THAT NEEDED TO BE FORWARDED.
SO THIS JUST YOUR PERIODIC REMINDER TO GET IN THERE AND SEND IT TO US.
WE'LL, UH, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE WITH THAT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.