Aug 19, 2025 Board of Supervisors Meeting

BUT RIGHT OFF WITH THAT.

AND WHAT, WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? THIRD BASE.

IF YOU, YOU DONE, YOU COME BACK HERE.

I'LL TELL YOU WHAT.

STAND, STAND OVER HERE.

THERE WE GO.

VERY GOOD.

WHAT POSITION ARE YOU? CATCHER.

CATCHER.

OH, YOU'RE THE CATCHER.

SO, UH, NEXT IS, UH, JACE DELPHI OR DELPHI? HE COULD NOT MAKE IT.

HE COULD NOT MAKE IT.

CAN WE APPLAUD? NEXT IS MAX ELLIOT, NUMBER 19.

THANK YOU, MAX.

IF YOU'LL COME OVER HERE.

THERE WE GO.

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? SHORTSTOP.

SHORTSTOP.

NEXT WE'VE GOT, UH, TITUS GOOD NUMBER 12.

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? LEFT FIELD.

LEFT FIELD.

NEXT IS MILES HENRY NUMBER 23.

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? SECOND BASE.

SECOND BASE.

NEXT IS

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TY KINER, NUMBER NINE.

TODAY, YOU GOT THIS DOWN, .

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? FIRST BASE.

FIRST BASE.

NEXT.

NEXT IS CAM MCINTYRE, NUMBER SEVEN.

GOOD JOB, CAM.

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? EVERY POSITION.

OH, EVERY POSITION.

NEXT IS JACE.

JACE MCCLENDON NUMBER TWO.

THERE YOU GO.

AND WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? LEFT FIELD.

LEFT FIELD.

NEXT IS, UH, DEUCE NEWMAN, NUMBER 27.

WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? RIGHT FIELD.

RIGHT FIELD.

NEXT IS HUNTER SEAL NUMBER 22.

NEXT IS REMY WINES NUMBER SIX.

WHAT POSITION DO YOU PLAY? THIRD BASE.

THIRD BASE.

WE GOT, UH, JOE COOK.

I GOT ONE ARM.

SO WE'LL DO THIS LITTLE NUMBER.

NEXT IS COACH JESSE HENRY.

UH, HATS OFF INSIDE, SIR.

SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

THANK YOU COACH SHANE WINES HE COULD NOT MAKE IT.

COULD NOT MAKE IT.

AND AGAIN, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, UH, WE ARE ALL VERY PROUD OF THE, UH, 10 TO 12-YEAR-OLD LITTLE LEAGUE IN, UH, IN FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY.

Y'ALL, Y'ALL HAVE REALLY PUT THE, PUT WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL ON THE MAP BECAUSE Y'ALL DID SUCH A GREAT JOB.

WE DO A TEAM PICTURE UP HERE.

WE DON'T EVEN HAVE TO BE IN IT, BUT YEAH, LET'S GET UP HERE.

CAN WE HAVE THE WHOLE TEAM COME UP AND YEP, DEFINITELY.

GOOD IDEA.

SHOULD WE BE IN THIS OR SHOULD WE JUST SCOOT? NO, NO, NO, NO.

WE, WE, WE NEED TO BE IN IT.

LET'S ROOM FOR THEM IN THE MIDDLE.

TJ.

I'M ALMOST TALLER.

THE TR NOW SHAVE ALL YOUR HEAD I THE RIGHT WAY.

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ALRIGHT, THANK, WELL, I, I THINK THE EASY THING TO DO IS IF YOU'VE GOT CONSENSUS, IS TO JUST GO IN AND READ IT COMMOTION AND LEAVE OUT THE PART ABOUT AGRITOURISM.

DO THAT.

AND SO THE THIRD PARAGRAPH WE'RE LEAVING OUT, SO IF POSSIBLE WE'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE DOCUMENTS HERE SO WE DON'T HAVE TO, SINCE YOU'RE NOT GONNA DISCUSS IT IN CLOSED SESSION.

OKAY? MM-HMM .

GOOD.

INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11, A ONE FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION AND INTERVIEWS OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT.

ARE WE READY? YES, WE'RE READY.

ALL.

SO I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ENTERED

[C. Closed Session - Section 2.2-3711(A)(1), (A)(3), and (A)(8)]

THE SUBJECT MATTER IS APPLICANT'S FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.

I FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD ENTERED TO A CLOSED SESSION UNDER PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A THREE FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD REAL PROPERTY.

SUCH REAL PROPERTY BEING PORTION OF MCKAY SPRINGS, WHERE DISCUSSION IN AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

WELL ROLL CALL.

ALRIGHT, HANG ON A MINUTE.

IT IS SEVEN O'CLOCK ON TUESDAY THE 19TH OF AUGUST, AND WE WILL BEGIN OUR, UM, UH, REGULAR, UM, UH, MEETING.

I UNDERSTAND YOU DON'T WANNA TALK ABOUT AGRITOURISM.

DO YOU ALSO NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT MATTERS RELATED TO VDOT REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO MCKAY BRAINS? UH, I DON'T JOHN? NO.

THEN FINE.

NO, WE'LL, WE'LL JUST LEAVE ALL THAT OFF.

GOOD EVENING, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN.

[D. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]

SO I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH, UM, A, UM, WITH PASTOR RANDY DESANTIS, PLEASE.

WELL, I'M TAKING RANDY'S PLACE.

APPARENTLY HE DIDN'T, UH, INFORM YOU OF THAT.

SO, UH, I'M PASTOR BOBBY, STEP FROM NEW HOPE BIBLE CHURCH.

SO, BUT THANK YOU FOR THE HONOR AND

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LET'S PRAY.

SO FATHER, WE, UH, COME TO YOU TONIGHT AND WE THANK YOU FOR THE, THE, JUST THE BLESSING OF, OF LIVING IN A COUNTRY, LIVING IN A COMMUNITY FATHER, WHERE THERE IS A SAY, THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK OUR VOICE AND, AND NOT BE AFRAID TO DO SO.

WE PRAY FOR THOSE IN FRONT OF US HERE TODAY THAT ARE MAKING, UH, DECISIONS AND WE WILL, UM, WE'LL GO FORWARD MAKING THOSE DECISIONS THAT'S GONNA AFFECT OUR COUNTY, UH, FOR YEARS TO COME.

AND SO WE PRAY YOUR WISDOM AND YOUR DISCERNMENT AND YOUR BLESSING UPON THEM AS THEY, AS THEY GO ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF GOVERNING AND WATCHING OVER, UM, OUR, OUR COUNTY.

WE THANK YOU FOR EVERYONE THAT'S SITTING BEHIND ME HERE TONIGHT, FATHER, AND THE OPPORTUNITY THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO CA UH, TO COME UP HERE AT THIS PODIUM AND, UH, AND SHARE THEIR THOUGHTS, THEIR IDEAS, AND WE PRAY FOR, FOR THEM.

AND FOR THOSE THAT HERE TO HONOR THAT PRIVILEGE AND FOR US TO, TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE VERY FACT THAT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT'S DONE AROUND THIS WORLD VERY OFTEN.

AND SO WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THAT PRIVILEGE AND HONOR.

WE ASK ONCE AGAIN FOR YOU JUST TO, TO BLESS OUR COMMUNITY.

WE, UH, ARE TOLD TO PRAY FOR THOSE IN AUTHORITY OVER US.

AND WE DO JUST THAT.

EVEN NOW.

WE PRAY FOR THOSE THAT ARE IN AUTHORITY, THAT DO HAVE THE, THE SAY AND, UH, THE MOVEMENT AND JUST PRAY FOR THEM TO, TO BE DOING THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE BEST INTEREST OF, UH, OF THE COUNTY AND THOSE CONCERNED.

WE THANK YOU AGAIN FOR ALL OF YOUR BLESSING, YOUR GOODNESS AND YOUR MERCIES ON US.

AND WE PRAY THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

AMEN.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.

PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE IN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, REPUBLIC FOR WHICH TO ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR, YES.

THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.

NEXT IS

[E. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]

DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? YES.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU DELETE ITEM F.

ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? OKAY.

AND HOW ABOUT THE, UH, THE ISSUE THAT YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT FOR NEW BUSINESS? THAT WOULD BE A FINE TIME TO ADD THAT, UH, DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF THE CURRENT COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS.

OKAY, SO I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, THIS WILL TAKE A UNANIMOUS VOTE, BUT THE, UM, UH, ON NEW BUSINESS, I WANTED TO ADD THE, UM, ONCE THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COMES ON BOARD, UH, DR.

DALEY WILL BE HERE FOR, UM, A, UH, SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.

AND, UH, THE, UH, AND I'M SUGGESTING THAT, UH, HIS TITLE WOULD BE, UH, SENIOR ADVISOR.

SO, UM, THAT'S, THAT, THAT'S MY PROPOSAL.

DO I HAVE A SECOND TO THAT AS FAR AS, UH, ADDING IT TO THE, UH, AGENDA AND THEN MR. CHAIRMAN, HE WILL BE APPROVING THE AGENDA WITH THE DELETION OF F AND THE ADDITION OF ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS AS YOU JUST DESCRIBED.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED WITH THE ADDITION TO THE NEW BUSINESS AND THE DELETION AND THE DELETION OF ITEM F.

THE SECOND 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

ALRIGHT, SO NEXT IS THE, UH,

[G. Public Comment Period for Items on the Agenda (30-Minute Time Limit)]

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

SO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHALL BE LIMITED TO 60 MINUTES DIVIDED INTO TWO 30 MINUTE SEGMENTS.

THE FIRST 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS LIMITED TO COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS WHICH ARE ON THE MEETING AGENDA NOT ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC, UH, HEARINGS.

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AS A REMINDER, THERE WILL BE, THERE IS A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES FOR ANY ONE SPEAKER.

SPEAKERS MAY SPEAK ONLY ONCE PER MEETING AND MAY NOT SPEAK DURING BOTH COMMENT PERIODS.

ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.

BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.

THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.

THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS.

PLACARDS, POSTERS AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAYS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD AT THE HEARING.

THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAD BY THE CHAIRMAN.

FAILURE TO LEAD THE PUBLIC HEARING, ONE ASKED TO DO SO IS IN VIOLATION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 56 DASH FOUR AND VIRGINIA CODE 18.2 DASH 4 4 15 AND IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF UP TO $2,500 AND A JAIL SENTENCE OF UP TO 12 MONTHS OR BOTH.

FINALLY, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMMENTS.

YOUNG CHILDREN MAY BE VIEWING THIS SESSION EITHER IN PERSON OR LATER ONLINE, AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS TENDENCY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY IF INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS USED.

THANK YOU FOR CO YOUR COOPERATION.

UM, FIRST UP IS JOHN JENKINS.

JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

AS THE DULY ELECTED LEGAL REPRESENTATIVES OF WARREN COUNTY, YOU HAVE NOT PROVIDED CITIZENS WITH A CLEAR AND REASONABLE EXPLANATION FOR THE DECISION TO WITHHOLD FUNDING FROM SAN PUBLIC LIBRARY.

I REVIEWED THE UH, JULY AP REPORT AND I FOUND THAT PAYMENTS WERE MADE TO SIX NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS AND WARREN COUNTY THAT HAD NO GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT OR INTERFERENCE.

A TOTAL OF $138,000 900, $138,952.

ALSO A DONATION OF $10,000 WAS MADE TO THE APPALOOSA FESTIVAL.

WHILE THAT IS, I HAVE NO IDEA.

AND THE WINCHESTER REGIONAL AIRPORT LOCATED IN FREDERICK COUNTY RECEIVED $5,000.

SAN PUBLIC LIBRARY DID NOT RECEIVE ANY PAYMENTS.

NOT A DIME, NOT 1 CENT.

A MONTH AGO THE BOARD WAS PREPARED TO AWARD $1,024,000 CONTRACT TO AN OUT-OF-STATE COMPANY TO MANAGE THE LIBRARY.

HOW AFTER FURTHER CONSIDERATION THAT COMPANY DECIDED TO WITHDRAW FROM THE AGREEMENT, WHICH WAS A WISE DECISION.

NOT PROVIDING THAT MONEY FOR OPERATING TO THE EXISTING COMPETENT MANAGEMENT TEAM AND BOARD OF DIRECTORS OF SAMUEL LIBRARY IS UNWARRANTED AND AN ABUSE OF POWER.

LORD ACTON IN 1880 STATED, POWER TENDS TO CORRUPT AND ABSOLUTE POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY.

PERHAPS THE BOARD FEELS, UH, ONE OTHER THING, ONE OF THE NON-PROFIT ORGANIZATIONS TO RECEIVE FUNDS WAS THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY HUMANE SOCIETY, $36,000.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU PUT MORE PRIORITY IN TAKING CARE OF CATS AND DOGS THAN YOU ARE ABOUT TAKING CARE OF THE CHILDREN OF WARREN COUNTY.

AT THE PUBLIC HEAR HEARING ON JUNE THE 10TH OF 2025, THE BUDGET WAS PASSED AND 1,024,000 WAS APPROVED TO THE LIBRARY.

AND THAT MONEY IS NOW BEING TRANSFERRED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WITH NO INPUT FROM THE CITIZENS.

THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS ALREADY RECEIVED A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND PUBLIC SAFETY IS A RECEIPT 75,000.

I HAVE A QUESTION.

ARE THE FUNDS THAT ARE IN THAT BUDGET NOW GOING TO BE GIVEN TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHILE YOU'RE IN POWER TILL THE END OF THE YEAR? IS THAT GONNA BE YOUR LEGACY? THE OTHER ITEM, MY QUESTION IS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR YOU HAVE AS ONE OF THE LAST ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

I WAS WONDERING IF THE BOARD ANTICIPATED THAT THE MOST OF THE CITIZENS WOULD BE GONE BY THAT TIME AND ONCE YOU NAMED THAT INDIVIDUAL, THAT WOULD NOT HAVE A LOT OF DISTURBANCE GOING ON BECAUSE THE SELECTION OF THE LIBRARY BOARD BACK SIX, SEVEN MONTHS AGO COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN WORSE IF YOU HAD SELECTED.

THANK

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YOU, SIR.

NEXT UP IS GLEN WOOD.

GOOD EVENING, GLENWOOD, PRIVATE CITIZEN, NORTH RIVER.

SO I CAME TONIGHT BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, REALLOCATING MONEY FROM THE LIBRARY.

SO I WENT BACK AND DID RESEARCH AND LOOKED AT THE MOU THAT WAS IN EFFECT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

AND IN THAT MOU IT SAID THAT YOU WOULD FUND THE LIBRARY.

SO THERE'S BEEN OBVIOUSLY A CHANGE WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ELECTING NOT TO DO THAT.

AND I WANT TO READ FROM YOU AN AGREEMENT SIGNED BY THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY FROM, UM, WELL, THE, UH, AGREEMENT WAS JANUARY 17TH, 2013, LIBRARY FUNDING.

UH, DOUG STANLEY, DOUG NAPIER, EILEEN GRADY COUNTY ATTORNEY, AND IT WAS SIGNED OFF BY THE BOARD, UH, SUPERVISOR'S CHAIR AND THE, UH, MAYOR AT THE TIME.

SO THIS WAS JANUARY OF 2013 AND WE TALK ABOUT THE TRANSFER FROM THE TOWN FUNDING TO THE COUNTY.

SO CITIZENS ARE NOT DOUBLE TAX.

AND IT SAID IN IT FOR PHYSICAL YEAR 20 13, 20 14, AND EACH PHYSICAL YEAR THEREAFTER, THE COUNTY WILL BUDGET AND APPROPRIATE 100% OF THE OPERATIONAL BUDGET OF SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY THAT IS TO BE PAID TO SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY BY EITHER OR BOTH JURISDICTIONS.

BEGINNING WITH PHYSICAL YEAR 20 13 14, THE COUNTY WALL FOR COVERAGE ON THE COUNTY'S HEALTH INSURANCE AND DENTAL PROGRAM TO SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY EMPLOYEES, SAMUEL'S LIBRARY OR ITS EMPLOYEES WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FULL COST OF THE INSURANCE.

AND YET I UNDERSTAND WE'RE TONIGHT THAT WE'RE GOING TO TAKE MONEY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY BUDGETED FOR THE LIBRARY AND WE'RE GOING TO BE GIVING IT TO OTHER AGENCIES.

AND I THINK AS A CITIZEN THAT'S WRONG.

AS A TAXPAYER THAT'S WRONG.

AS A TOWN CITIZEN, I, I'M CONFUSED WHY AN AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY AND WE'RE NOT ADHERING TO IT.

AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE MAKING A MISTAKE.

I THINK THAT YOU'RE ENTERING DOWN A ROAD THAT IS GOING TO CAUSE ALL OF US MORE CONCERN WHEN WE COME JANUARY 1ST AND THERE'S A NEW ELECTION AND A NEW BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

AND I WOULD ASK YOU VERY MUCH TO RETHINK YOUR APPROPRIATIONS TONIGHT.

NEXT UP IS CATHERINE CONNET.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

MY NAME IS CATHERINE CONNET, I'M FROM THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I WANTED TO THANK THE PREVIOUS SPEAKERS FOR THE REALLY INTERESTING DETAIL THAT THEY GAVE THAT THAT, UM, IS INTRIGUING ABOUT THE MOU ALSO.

BUT I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING AS A MOM, AS A VOTER, AS A TAXPAYER, AND I WANT TO ASK YOU TO PLEASE FUND SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY AS THIS BOARD HAS DONE IN THE PAST.

IT FEELS LIKE PERHAPS YOU THINK YOU ARE PROTECTING FAMILIES LIKE MINE WITH YOUR ACTIONS TO STOP FUNDING THE LIBRARY, BUT YOU ARE SOWING SEEDS OF FEAR AND DIVISION IN OUR COMMUNITY AND THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO END UP BEING YOUR LEGACY.

I JUST WANTED TO COME TO, TO ASK YOU REALLY PLEAD WITH YOU TO PLEASE HELP LIFT UP THIS COMMUNITY AND BE A FORCE FOR POSITIVE CHANGE AND TO PLEASE FUND SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY.

HELLO, KELLY HART, NORTH RIVER.

UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR THE FIRST PART, SIR.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO THE, UM, NEXT IS, UH, REPORTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS AND MS. S AUDIENCE.

OH, I'M SORRY.

UH, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER, DOES ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK?

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PLEASE COME UP.

THIS IS ON, UH, ON ITEMS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA.

I AM GONNA CUT THIS A LITTLE SHORT BECAUSE I ALWAYS GO OVER, UM, BUT I WILL, WE'LL START IT NEAR YOU.

STARTED THE YEAR WITH AN OBVIOUS VENDETTA AGAINST THE COMMUNITY'S OLDEST INSTITUTION.

AND DESPITE AN OVERWHELMING DISPLAY OF DISPLEASURE FROM A WIDE ARRAY OF CITIZENS, YOU SIMPLY DOUBLED DOWN WORKING TO HOBBLE OUR LIBRARY.

DOESN'T IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR US IN WARREN COUNTY.

IT DOES THE OPPOSITE.

AND I WON'T SAY 'CAUSE EVERYONE SAID THE PUBLIC HEARING AFTER FOR THE PROPOSED BUDGET YOU HEARD FROM US AND THEN YOU ADOPTED IT ON JUNE 24TH.

I JUST WANNA, YOU KNOW, JOHN AND RICHARD, YOUR BOARD WILL, YOU WON'T BE THE MAJORITY IN THE NEXT BOARD.

SO YOU MIGHT WANNA START A LITTLE GOODWILL BY DOING SOMETHING PRACTICAL LIKE TONIGHT.

YOU HAVE A CHOICE AND, AND YOU KNOW THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE FUNDING LIBRARY SERVICES.

YOU KNOW IT, YOU'VE SAID IT, I'VE HEARD YOU.

SO WE NEED TO JUST DO IT AND START GETTING BEYOND THIS.

UM, WHERE WAS I NOW SINCE I LEFT MY PLACE? BUT ANYWAY, YOU CAN DO A FEW THINGS TONIGHT.

YOU CAN TABLE THE WHOLE THING.

YOU CAN TRANSFER SOME AND LEAVE THE REST SITTING THERE.

OR YOU CAN TRANSFER SOME AND GIVE IT TO SAMUELS TONIGHT.

YOU NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING.

VICKY, JAY, YOU'LL BE GONE.

BUT IT MIGHT HELP YOUR LEGACY JUST A WEE BIT.

DO SOMETHING GOOD.

THANKS.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? LET LADY IN THE BACK FIRST PLEASE.

MY NAME IS SANDY SCHWAB.

HAPPY CREEK.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN.

I JUST KNOW THAT I'M A LIBRARY SUPPORTER.

I'M ONE OF THOSE FAIRFAX PEOPLE WHO MOVED HERE 14 YEARS AGO.

AND I LOVE THIS COUNTY AND I LOVE THIS TOWN.

I AM STUNNED BY WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN TERMS OF THE LIBRARY.

I HAVE FRIENDS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF VIRGINIA WHO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE AND I JUST WANNA SAY, AND THEY'RE NOT AMUSED.

I WAS IN LEESBURG THE OTHER DAY AND MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT THE LIBRARY IN WARREN COUNTY AND THIS WOMAN JUST ROLLED HER EYES AND SHE SAID, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT'S HAPPENING.

SO ALL I WAS THINKING, WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT IS THE PUSH TOWARDS TOURISM AND PEOPLE WANTING TO COME TO A COUNTY THAT HAS DECIMATED A LIBRARY THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR 200 YEARS, MORE THAN 200 YEARS.

I HATE USING THESE WORDS, IT'S APPALLING.

I'M SHOCKED.

I USED TO WORK ON, I ONCE WORKED ON CAPITOL HILL AND WE'D HAVE CONSTITUENTS WRITE TO US AND SAY THAT THEY WROTE TO US BECAUSE IT WAS BEFORE COMPUTERS.

THEY WERE SHOCKED AND APPALLED.

AND AS A YOUNG PERSON, I THOUGHT, OH, THAT'S FUNNY.

NOW THAT I'M A SENIOR CITIZEN, I'M SHOCKED AND I'M APPALLED.

AND IF ANYONE THINKS THAT THIS PLACE IS GOING TO GET TOURISM AFTER BREAKING DOWN A LIBRARY, YOU'RE NUTS.

HELLO, BETHANY O'NEILL, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED, BUT I FIGURED I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING FOR ONE THING.

I'M VERY SAD.

OUR DEAR FRIEND MICHELLE KERNS, WHO WAS A FIGHTER IN WAR WAYS THAN ONE PASSED AWAY.

SHE WAS A FIERCE SUPPORTER OF THE LIBRARY AND SHE'LL BE MISSED.

SO VERY MUCH FACEBOOK HAS REMINDED ME THAT WE'VE BEEN FIGHTING YOU GUYS FOR TWO YEARS.

WHAT A STRESSFUL WASTE OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

ALL I'M ASKING IS IF YOU COULD PLEASE FULLY FUND SAMUEL'S PUBLIC LIBRARY.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE?

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I AM SIDNEY PATTON.

I AM A WARREN COUNTY RESIDENT.

AND LIKE ALWAYS, I NEVER KNOW IF I'M GONNA SPEAK AT THESE THINGS OR NOT.

AND YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW I'M A LIBRARY SUPPORTER AND I AM GOING TO SPEAK TODAY JUST INDIVIDUALLY AS MYSELF AND SAY THAT THESE OPINIONS ARE OF MY OWN AND NO ONE ELSE OR ANYTHING I REPRESENT.

I THINK IT IS INCREDIBLY CLEVER THAT YOU GUYS HAVE CHOSEN TO GIVE THE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS AND TO THE FIREHOUSE.

I PERSONALLY THINK THAT THAT IS YOUR INTENTION OF GOODWILL.

LIKE THE COMMUNITY CAN'T COMPLAIN IF YOU GIVE IT TO SOMETHING AT WHICH THEY WILL FIND VALUABLE.

NOW, I DO FIND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM VALUABLE.

I THINK THEY SHOULD BE FUNDED MORE THAN THEY ARE.

I THINK THE FIREHOUSE IS INCREDIBLY INVALUABLE.

THEY SHOULD BE GETTING MORE FUNDS AS WELL.

BUT I ALSO LOOK AT THIS AND THERE'S BEEN TALK OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOU GUYS GIVE MONEY TO, LIKE THE HUMANE SOCIETY AND SO ON.

AND ONE THING THAT REALLY TIES IT ALL TOGETHER FOR ME IS THESE ARE COMMUNITY SERVICES.

THEY RELY UPON EACH OTHER.

IF WE GO TO THE FIREHOUSE AND WE ASK THEM, WILL YOU COME AND SPEAK TO PRESCHOOLERS AND ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS ABOUT FIRE SAFETY? THEY ARE ABSOLUTELY GOING TO SEND SOMEONE.

WHY? BECAUSE WE'RE A COMMUNITY AND WE SUPPORT EACH OTHER.

THE FUNDS END UP LIFTING UP EVERYBODY, BUT CHOOSING NOT TO FUND THE LIBRARY BECAUSE THEY'RE ABLE TO FUNDRAISE ON THEIR OWN IS ALSO NOT RIGHT.

YOU GUYS COULD OPT TO STOP PICKING LEGAL BATTLES TO WHERE YOUR OWN LEGAL FEES ARE NOT COMING OUT OF TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

BUT THAT DOESN'T SEEM TO BE AN AVENUE THAT YOU FIND FIDUCIARY RESPONSIBLE.

AND AS BETHANY JUST SAID, WE'RE ALL KIND OF SICK OF FIGHTING THIS.

WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT BECAUSE IT'S THE RIGHT THING.

BUT CAN'T WE JUST FUND THE THINGS THAT ARE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY? IS THAT TOO MUCH? I'D BE WILLING TO GIVE ADDITIONAL FUNDS, WHICH IS WHY THE LIBRARY IS ABLE TO DO WHAT THEY'VE BEEN DOING BECAUSE THE COMMUNITY COMES OUT AND GIVES ADDITIONAL SUPPORT.

BUT IT SHOULD BE COMING FROM OUR TAX DOLLARS.

WE PAY TAXES TO HAVE A LIBRARY.

WE PAY TAXES TO HAVE A HUMANE SOCIETY TO TAKE CARE OF THE ANIMALS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

WE PAY TAXES TO HAVE A FIRE SERVICE.

WE PAY TAXES TO HAVE EDUCATION AND WE ARE OWED ALL OF THOSE.

SO I'M GOING TO ASK YOU, AND I KNOW THAT MOST OF YOU ARE NOT GOING TO LISTEN 'CAUSE YOU HAVEN'T LISTENED TO ANYTHING I'VE SAID ALONG IS, PLEASE FOR ONCE PUT THE BETTERMENT OF THE COMMUNITY, NOT THE SPECIFIC COMMUNITY THAT YOU AGREE WITH, BUT FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE COMMUNITY THAT USES COMMUNITY SERVICES.

I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.

ONE OF THE GREATEST THINGS ABOUT THIS IS WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO MAINTAIN THE RIGHT TO SPEAK.

SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? UH, WE, WE ALREADY HAVE SOMEBODY COMING UP FROM THE BACK.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD ACTUALLY SAY WE NEED A DOGE TYPE WE EXAMINATION OF THE BUDGET TO SEE WHERE THINGS CAN BE CUT UNTIL THIS COUNTY CAN BECOME FISCALLY SANE AGAIN.

UM, DAVE MCGEE, HAPPY CREEK.

UM, I'M A PRAGMATIST.

I'M A RESEARCHER AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF RESEARCH AND WHENEVER I HEAR EVIDENCE, I LET THE EVIDENCE GUIDE MY THINKING.

OKAY? AND I HAD A PRETTY MUCH NEUTRAL OPINION ON THE LIBRARY UNTIL TONIGHT.

AND I'M REMINDED OF ONE THING THAT GOVERNMENT IS INCAPABLE OF DOING GOOD AND DO GOODERS ARE INCAPABLE OF GOVERNING.

SO THE ISSUE OF THE LIBRARY, I DON'T KNOW THE ENTIRE PARAMETERS OF WHAT CAUSED THE CONTROVERSY, BUT OBVIOUSLY THE CONTROVERSY EXISTS.

AND WHAT I'VE HEARD IS A LOT OF SUPPORTERS IN FAVOR OF THE LIBRARY THAT ALL THESE SUPPORTERS HAVE CAUSED ME TO WANT TO DIG INTO AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE REAL ROOT CAUSE OF WHY THE LIBRARY IS AT ISSUE.

SO EVERYBODY'S SAYING WE GOTTA FUND AND WE GOT A QUOTE UNQUOTE DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY IS THE FOUR PRIORITIES.

POLICE AND FIRE, YOU KNOW, IN MY OPINION, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE SHOULD BE FUNDED, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE FUNDED, THE HOSPITAL SHOULD BE FUNDED.

THE FOURTH DOWN THERE IS THE, IS THE EDUCATION, AND THEN BEHIND THAT ARE THE AMENITIES.

THAT'S MY OPINION.

AND THIS COUNTY HAS GOTTEN ITSELF INTO SOME SERIOUS DEBT AND IT NEEDS TO BE PRIORITIZED.

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MY TAXES WENT UP A LOT.

I'M NOT HAPPY ABOUT THAT.

AND AS A PERSON WHO'S STUDIED HUMAN BEHAVIORISM FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS, I'M LEFT WITH THIS SENSE THAT YOU GUYS REALLY HATE US.

AND EVEN WHEN THIS MEETING STARTED, WE GET TO READ THIS STATEMENT THAT IF WE DON'T BEHAVE A CERTAIN WAY, THAT WE COULD WIND UP IN JAIL AND LOSE MONEY.

WELL, YOU KNOW, AS A CONSTITUTIONALIST I SAY, OKAY, THAT'S A FIRST AMENDMENT ISSUE.

AND I AGREE THERE SHOULD BE DECORUM IN THESE TYPES OF, OF, UH, SETTINGS, BUT IT'S FRUSTRATING THAT MY TAXES GO UP AND THEN I HEAR ABOUT WE GOTTA DO WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY.

WHAT'S RIGHT FOR THE COMMUNITY IS IS FUND WHAT'S REQUIRED, WHAT'S NECESSARY FOR THE COMMUNITY, AND THEN PUT AS A PRIORITY WHAT'S WHAT I CONSIDER AN AMENITY.

NOW I'M, I'M A VORA, A VORACIOUS CONSUMER OF LIBRARIES, ONLINE LIBRARIES PRIMARILY TO DO RESEARCH.

I KNOW MY DAUGHTER TAKES MY GRANDCHILDREN TO THE LIBRARY, TAKES CARE OF THAT AMENITY.

I APPRECIATE THAT.

BUT I WOULD SAY BECAUSE OF WHAT I'VE HEARD THERE, I'M GONNA INVESTIGATE MYSELF AND FIND OUT WHAT THE ROOT CAUSE IS.

AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

OKAY, WE HAVE TIME FOR ONE MORE.

I THINK, UM, WHAT'S BEEN LOST IN THIS CONVERSATION IS SOME OF THE DISHONESTY.

PLEASE, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND, OH, I'M SORRY.

MY NAME IS DOMINIC RUBLE.

UH, I LIVE OUT IN SHENANDOAH SHORES.

UM, I THINK WHAT'S MISSING IN SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION IS, IS SOME OF THE DISHONESTY ON THE PART OF THE BOARD IN REGARDS TO THE LIBRARY, UM, YOU GUYS HAVE MADE, AND NOT NOT JUST DIRECTLY, BUT THROUGH, UH, YOU KNOW, SURROGATES ON SOCIAL MEDIA AND WHATNOT, YOU KNOW, UH, VERY FANTASTICAL CLAIMS ABOUT EMBEZZLEMENT OR MISUSE OF FUNDS.

AND THESE KIND OF THINGS AREN'T BORNE OUT BY FACTS.

YOU'VE NEVER PRESENTED ANY EVIDENCE OF WRONGDOING OR FINANCIAL MALFEASANCE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

UM, YOU'VE CLAIMED TO HAVE OWNERSHIP OVER THE PHYSICAL ASSETS OF THE LIBRARY AND THAT'S ALSO BEEN PROVEN TO NOT BE THE CASE.

SO I, IT'S HARD TO, TO TAKE ANY OF THESE ARGUMENTS IN GOOD FAITH.

AND I THINK IT DOES A DISSERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SUCH ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE.

AND, AND I THINK THAT TO HAVE AN UNELECTED BOARD OF ADDITIONAL BUREAUCRACY THAT IS NOT ACCOUNTABLE TO VOTERS OF WHICH MS. COOK YOU, UH, MS. COOK, YOU APPOINTED YOURSELF TO A FOUR YEAR TERM ON A, A TERM THAT OUTLASTS YOUR TERM ON THE BOARD YOU SIT ON NOW.

AND I DON'T, I DON'T SEE HOW ANYONE CAN GIVE YOU GUYS ANY SORT OF CREDIBILITY ON THIS ISSUE.

AND, AND THAT'S JUST MY OPINION, BUT I THINK IT'S AN OPINION THAT HAS BEEN DEMONSTRATED NOT THROUGH JUST THROUGH PUBLIC SPEAKERS HERE TONIGHT OR ANY OTHER BOARD MEETING ON THE SUBJECT, BUT ALSO IN THE RESULTS OF THE REPUBLICAN PRIMARY THAT JUST OCCURRED.

SO I THINK IF YOU REALLY HAVE THE INTERESTS OF THIS COMMUNITY AT HEART, I THINK YOU WOULD LISTEN TO THEM.

THE, UH, NEXT WE'LL START OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

[M. Lease Agreement of 136 Hillidge St., Apt. 2 - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator]

FIRST ONE IS THE LEASE AGREEMENT.

HELLO.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS BECAUSE THE COUNTY WOULD LIKE TO LEASE A PROPERTY LOCATED AT 1 36 HILLAGE STREET, APARTMENT TWO, UM, TO RAY FREEMAN.

HE IS CURRENTLY OCCUPYING THE PROPERTY.

UM, THE LEASE AMOUNT IS FOR $760 PER MONTH.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

SO DO I HAVE ANY, UH,

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ANY QUESTIONS? NO, NO QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FROM THE AUDIENCE? HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO, SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE, UH, LEASE AGREEMENT FOR, UH, 1 36 HILLAGE STREET? I'M SORRY.

OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

TO AMEND CHAPTER 30 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE.

I'M SORRY.

I'M OPENING THE PUBLIC HEARING.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK IF NOT GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

SO DO I HAVE A, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE LEASE AGREEMENT AT 1 36 HILL RIDGE STREET, APARTMENT TWO, FRONT ROW OF VIRGINIA 2 2 6 3 OH WITH RAY FREEMAN FOR A MONTHLY RENT OF $760.

DO I HAVE A, UH, SECOND.

NEXT IS THE ORDINANCE

[N. Ordinance to Amend Chapter 30 of the Warren County Code (Officers and Employees) to add and ordain 30-12 - Payment of One-Time Bonus for Designated Employees in FY 2025-2026 only - Charles Brogan , Captain]

DO WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S GOING TO BE, UM, PRESENTING THIS MR. CHAIR? I WOULD MOVE THAT YOU DEFER ACTION ON THIS UNTIL THE NEXT MEETING.

ALRIGHT, WELL YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT, BUT WE'VE ADVERTISED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TONIGHT.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU DID THE PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN IF THE, WELL, I MEAN I HAVING COMPUTER PROBLEMS, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IT'S A BONUS TO EMS FOLKS OR, UM, PEOPLE IN THE DISPATCH OFFICE THAT IS PAID FOR BY A STATE GRANT.

WHO, WHO DID WE, UH, IT WAS, UH, IT WAS CAPTAIN BROGAN, SIR.

CAPTAIN BROGAN.

AND HE, DID HE JUST STEP OUT OR? NO, I'M NOT SEEN HIM BACK THERE, SIR.

SO YOU HOLD THIS MR. HANSEN, YOU COULD HOLD THE HEARING AND THEN JUST DEFER ON THE ACTION TABLE IN THE ACTION FOR THE NEXT MEETING.

ALRIGHT, WELL WE'RE GOING AHEAD AND HOLD THE HEARING THEN.

UM, THIS IS A FULL 100% REIMBURSEMENT BY THE STATE FOR IT, BUT I DON'T HAVE ALL THE SPECIFICS.

, WE CAN'T HEAR, CAN'T HEAR.

HE WAS SAYING THAT THE, UH, UH, THAT THE CAPTAIN BROGAN WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS ALL THE SPECIFICS ON THIS.

WELL, SINCE IT'S A PUBLIC HEARING, THEY'RE SAYING THAT WE, WE STILL HAVE TO HAVE THE HEARING, BUT THEN YEAH, WELL, LET'S IF THERE'S ANYBODY WHO WANTS TO SPEAK TO US, OKAY, THAT'S THE PUBLIC HEARING.

CAN I RECOMMEND THAT WE READ AT LEAST THE SUMMARY PAGE, UM, SO THAT THERE'S SOME CONTEXT FOR ANYONE WHO WOULD WANT TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, WE CAN DO THAT.

IF YOU WOULD LIKE, IF YOU WOULD PLEASE.

I'LL, I'D BE HAPPY TO READ IT.

YEP, PLEASE DO.

OKAY, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.

UM, SUBJECT, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 30 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE OFFICERS EMPLOYEES TO ADD AND ORDAIN 30 DASH 12 PAYMENT OF ONE-TIME BONUS FOR DESIGNATED EMPLOYEES IN FY 25 20 26.

ONLY EXPLANATION AND SUMMARY, THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE COMMUNICATION CENTER HAS BEEN AWARDED A GRANT FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT THROUGH THE NEXT GENERATION 9 1 1 ADDITIONAL FUNDING GRANT APPLICATION PROCESS TO PROVIDE A ONE-TIME BONUS FOR 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS TO ADDRESS STAFFING CHALLENGES AND TO IMPROVE EMPLOYEE RETENTION.

THE BONUS AIMS TO STABILIZE STAFFING REDUCED TURNOVER AND INCENTIVIZE PART-TIME PERSONNEL TO INCREASE SHIFT COVERAGE.

UM, COST AND FINANCING IS NOT APPLICABLE AND, UM, THERE'S A SECOND PAGE WITH FURTHER DETAILS.

I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO GO INTO THAT.

UM, SO MR. CHAIRMAN, I MIGHT SUGGEST THAT WE JUST TELL THE FOLKS HERE THE AMOUNT OF THE BONUS.

I CAN RECITE THAT

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IT'S $2,500 FOR FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH WARREN COUNTY FULL-TIME SINCE AT LEAST FEBRUARY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.

$7,500 FOR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WHO HAVE WORKED AT LEAST 500 HOURS PER YEAR AND WHO HAVE BEEN EMPLOYED PART-TIME WITH WARREN COUNTY SINCE AT LEAST FEBRUARY 1ST, 2025.

AND THEN A NEW HIRE BONUS OF $1,500 FOR EACH ACTIVE FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE, UH, WHO HAS BEEN EMPLOYED WITH WARREN COUNTY UNTIL, UH, SINCE AT LEAST JULY 1ST, 2025.

AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS, THESE AMOUNTS ARE TO BE PAID FROM THE STATE WITHOUT A COUNTY MATCH.

ALRIGHT, SO IT'S COVERED BY A STATE GRANT AND IT'S A ONE-TIME THING NOT RECURRING.

OKAY, THANK YOU.

THIS IS FOR THIS YEAR ONLY.

ALRIGHT, SO THE, UH, SO DO I HAVE ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? NO, I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY.

I I BELIEVE MR. HAM, YOU SAID 7,500 FOR THE PART-TIME AND IT'S 750.

SORRY.

THANK, JUST IN CASE OF MY, I APPRECIATE THAT.

UM, AND I BELIEVE CAPTAIN BROGAN CAME AND TALKED TO US AT A WORK SESSION ABOUT THIS, UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING THE STATE HAS SEEN WHERE, UM, DISPATCH IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED WHEN IT COMES TO INCENTIVIZING, UM, PAY RAISES AND THINGS LIKE THAT AND TRYING TO CATCH THEM UP A LITTLE BIT.

UM, AND YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I I THINK WHENEVER YOU GET A GRANT THAT DOESN'T COST US ANYTHING AS FAR AS A, UM, LOCAL DONATION AND HELPS RETAIN, ESPECIALLY IN A, IN A GROUP WHERE YOU HAVE A LOT OF TURNOVER, UM, THEY COME IN, THEY LIKE SOME OF COME IN TO GET ON THE GROUND FLOOR TO THEN GO ON OUT ON THE ROAD.

UM, AND IT'S, IT'S A STRESSFUL JOB, SOME LEAVE BECAUSE OF BURNOUT.

SO ANYTIME THAT WE CAN, UM, GET SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I THINK IT'S A POSITIVE.

ALRIGHT, SO THE, UM, YEAH, YEAH.

SO THE, UH, ARE THERE ANY MORE, UH, COMMENTS? SO I'LL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS HEARING IS OPEN.

HAS ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK SIR JOHN JENKINS, A MEMBER DISTRICT, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND IT, THAT THE GRANT, YOU GOT THE GRANT FROM, I DON'T, I DON'T COULDN'T, I TRIED TO LOOK FOR INFORMATION, I COULDN'T FIND EVERYTHING.

SOME OF THESE GRANTS THAT YOU GET ARE, YOU HAVE TO MATCH IF THEY GIVE YOU A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, YOU HAVE TO MATCH THAT.

IF THEY GAVE YOU 500,000, YOU HAVE TO MATCH THAT.

SO, UH, THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON HOW MUCH A GRANT IS AND THERE'S NO INFORMATION ON WHERE THE MATCHING MONEY WILL COME FROM.

AND WHEN YOU WERE GIVEN THE THESE GUYS THE BONUSES, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO GIVING 'EM BONUS.

I MEAN THEY WORK HARD TO DESERVE IT.

I'M JUST QUESTIONING WHERE ARE YOU GONNA PULL THAT MONEY FROM TO MATCH THE GRANT? AS FAR AS FAR AS, I, JUST TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND, THIS IS NOT A MATCHING GRANT.

AND I DON'T THINK IT'S EVEN A REIMBURSABLE EITHER.

AND I MEAN, IT'S A TAX.

ALL THAT'S GOOD.

IS THE, UH, ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR SHORT TERM TOURS REYNOLDS.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE.

THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE ORDINANCE TO, UH, LET'S SEE, UH, CHAPTER 30 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE OFFICERS AN EMPLOYEE TO ADD AND ORDAINED 30 DASH 20 PAYMENT OF A ONE TIME BONUS FOR DESIGNATED EMPLOYEES IN THE FY 25 26 ONLY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COOK? AYE.

[O. Z2025-07-02 - Zoning Text Amendments for Short-Term Tourist Rentals - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HELD A WORK SESSION ON JULY 8TH, 2025 TO DISCUSS THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND WAIVING SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.

AFTER EXTENSIVE DISCUSSIONS, THE BOARD DIRECTED STAFF TO BRING FORWARD THREE OPTIONS FOR TEXT AMENDMENTS TO ADDRESS CONCERNS WITH THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND HOW IT HAS BEEN WAIVED HISTORICALLY, THE THREE OPTIONS REQUESTED

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BY THE BOARD ARE AS FOLLOWS, OPTION A PROPOSES TO ELIMINATE E 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.

OPTION B PROPOSES TO MAKE THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT NON WAIVABLE BY MOVING THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE LISTED USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

AND OPTION C PROPOSES TO CHANGE THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS TO 50 FEET AND TO MAKE IT NON WAVEABLE BY MOVING THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO THE LISTED USE IN THE ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM.

ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST 13TH, 2025, MR. HENRY MOVED TO FORWARD THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE AMENDMENTS.

THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY MR. KCI AND PASSED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION BY VOTE OF FORWARD TO NOTHING.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION FAVORED THE EXISTING FORMAT FOR THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT WITH THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THE REQUIREMENT WHEN DEEMED UNNECESSARY TO PROMOTE THE PURPOSES OF ZONING.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

SO, SO BASICALLY THE, THE THREE CHOICES, CAN YOU GO OVER THOSE AGAIN PLEASE? YES, SIR.

OPTION A WOULD ELIMINATE THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

SO THERE WOULD BE NO GIVEN SEPARATION REQUIREMENT FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.

OPTION B UH, GETS RID OF THE ABILITY TO WAIVE THAT SETBACK REQUIREMENT.

SO IF YOU DON'T MEET A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK FROM RESIDENCE, YOU CAN'T APPLY.

UH, AND OPTION C DOES THE SAME THING AS OPTION B, BUT IT MAKES IT 50 FEET INSTEAD OF KEEPING IT AT A HUNDRED.

UM, SO IT WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO BE WAIVED.

YOU WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY IF YOU HAVE A, AN EXISTING RESIDENCE WITHIN 50 FEET.

DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? NO.

PER, PERSONALLY, PERSONALLY, I THINK THAT THE, UH, OPTION A, BECAUSE NOBODY, THERE ARE NO OTHER COUNTIES THAT HAVE THIS SETBACK AND THE, UH, UH, AND FOR US TO HAVE IT THERE AND THEN JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, UNLESS SOMEBODY SPEAKS UP, WE CAN JUST GO AHEAD AND, AND WAIVE IT.

UH, THE, UH, BUT, UH, UH, I THINK THAT WE SHOULD JUST GO AHEAD AND, UH, AND, AND ELIMINATE IT.

UM, YOU KNOW, FOR THE, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE CONSTITUENTS.

I, I THINK IT'S, I THINK YOU HAVE TO, FOR ME AT LEAST, I WOULD STOP AND THINK, DO I WANT TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITH NO LIMITS LIKE THAT NEXT TO MY HOUSE? AND IF I DON'T WANT IT, WHY SHOULD I IMPROVE PRO? PUT THAT ON SOMEONE ELSE.

UM, YOU BUY YOUR HOME IF YOU CHOOSE TO LIVE IN TOWN IN A TOWNHOUSE OR AN APARTMENT OR A COMMUNITY WHERE THE YARDS ARE VERY SMALL AND YOU KNOW THE DISTANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT.

UM, AND YOU CHOOSE TO BUY THAT AND WANT, YOU KNOW, THAT CLOSE PROXIMITY OF COMMUNITY OR IF YOU LIVE OUT AND YOU WANT FIVE ACRES, THREE ACRES, WHATEVER, TO HAVE A LITTLE MORE SPACE TO HAVE YOUR VERSION OF PRIVACY AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOU WANT.

AND THEN THIS BOARD ARBITRARILY SAYS SOMEBODY WANTS TO PUT A SHORT TERM BUSINESS THERE.

AND IT IS A BUSINESS, WHETHER IT'S RECOGNIZED OR NOT, IT'S THE SAME THING AS A BUSINESS.

AND WITH NO CONSIDERATION OF THE EFFECTS OF THAT.

I, I, I THINK NO SETBACK IS DISRESPECTFUL TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.

THAT'S JUST MY, I HAVE HAVEN'T GONE A LONG TIME, BUT WE USED TO GO DOWN TO MYRTLE BEACH, TO THE SURFSIDE AREA AND THOSE WERE ALL SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

THE PEOPLE BOUGHT 'EM, SOME OF THEM LIVED THERE.

UM, BUT YOU KNEW WHAT YOU WERE GETTING THAT THERE WAS POSSIBILITY THAT YOU'RE A NEXT DOOR WAS GONNA BE SOMEBODY DIFFERENT WEEK AFTER WEEK AFTER WEEK.

THIS IS NOT THE SAME THING.

AND TO ME, THAT WOULD BE MY MAIN QUESTION.

IF I'M VOTING ON THIS, CAN I IN GOOD CONSCIENCE DUE TO SOMEBODY ELSE WHAT I WOULDN'T WANT DONE TO MYSELF? SO WOULD YOU, WOULD YOU BE LOOKING AT THE 100 FOOT OR THE 50 FOOT SITTING THERE? I'LL GIVE MINE WHEN WE GET FINISHED THE AND I HEAR EVERYBODY'S THOUGHTS ON WHAT, WHERE THEY STAND.

IF YOU DON'T MIND, IT'S OKAY.

ALRIGHT, SO I'LL GO AHEAD AND, AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? OKAY, DR.

JAMESON NOT, I HEAR.

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WHAT I, WHAT I SAID WAS I'LL JUST WAIT TO HEAR THE PUBLIC COMMENT.

OKAY? I WANT AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.

IS, UH, IS THERE ANYBODY SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES SIR.

FIRST OFF IS JOHN JENKINS.

JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

SO AS I UNDERSTAND IT, YOU GOT THE THREE OPTIONS.

WHAT, WHAT YOU HAVE IN PLACE NOW IS A HUNDRED FOOT BETWEEN THE HOUSES, BETWEEN THE HOUSES.

UH, BUT IT DOESN'T TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE PROPERTY LINE.

SO IF YOU HAVE A HOUSE ON THIS SIDE THAT IS 15 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, AND YOU HAVE A HOUSE ON THIS SIDE THAT IS 85 FEET BETWEEN THE HOUSES, AND THEN THIS, THIS GUY ON THE RIGHT DECIDES TO, TO PUT A ENTERTAINMENT AREA 10 FEET OFF OF THIS PROPERTY LINE OVER HERE.

SO THEY WANNA HAVE A PARTY ON A SATURDAY NIGHT.

SO THEY, THEY ARE 25 FEET FROM YOUR BEDROOM WINDOW.

UH, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, UH, THE DISTANCE SHOULD BE A LOT FURTHER AWAY FROM A NEIGHBORING HOUSE BECAUSE YOU'RE IN A RESIDENTIAL, UH, AREA.

THESE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A COMMERCIAL RENTAL PROPERTY.

THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE AT ALL.

UH, THE REVENUE THAT'S GENERATED, NO ONE KNOWS ACCORDING TO THE REVENUE REPORT THAT I LOOKED AT OVER WEEKEND, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT SHORT TERM TOR RENTAL.

NOW THERE IS LODGING AND SOME SOMETHING ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT SECTIONED OUT.

SO I THINK IT WOULD PAY TO ACTUALLY FIND OUT HOW MUCH REVENUE YOU ACTUALLY GET FROM JUST THOSE HOUSES, THE TAX DOLLARS THAT COME IN, JUST THOSE HOUSES.

NOT WHAT THEY, NOT WHAT THEY SPEND IN RESTAURANTS BECAUSE A LOT OF 'EM WON'T GO TO A RESTAURANT IF THEY COME OUTTA THE CITY.

THEY MAY BRING A COOLER, A COOLER FULL OF FOOD, BEER, LIQUOR OR WHATEVER THEY WANT TO DO.

THEY WON'T EVEN GO TO TOWN.

THEY WILL STAY THERE.

SO THE DISTANCE IS REALLY CRITICAL BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE A NEIGHBOR THERE FULL TIME THAT YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN TRUST.

YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN POSSIBLY EVERY WEEKEND.

THAT'S DIFFERENT.

NOW, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE PEOPLE PARTY TODAY, BUT I KNOW HOW THEY PARTIED 25, 30 YEARS AGO AND I WOULDN'T WANT 'EM AT MY HOUSE.

HEY, NEXT STEP IS WATTS HILL.

THANK YOU ALL.

MS. WATTS HILL, UH, LIVE UP IN OW UM, ALSO HAPPEN TO BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE OW MOTORS ASSOCIATION.

I'D LIKE TO TALK TO YOU FOR A MINUTE AND SHARE SOME INFORMATION WITH YOU THAT I BELIEVE IS RELATED TO THE VERY QUESTIONS YOU HAD.

I'M AN OLD ENGINEER THAT'S RETIRED, SO BEAR WITH ME IF I HIT A LITTLE BIT ON THE TECHNICAL SIDE, BUT I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT SUCH THAT, UH, IT MAKES SENSE TO ALL OF US.

YOU HAVE AN OPTION, THOSE THREE OPTIONS.

ONE OF THEM WAS 50 FEET VERSUS A HUNDRED.

LEMME EXPLAIN TO YOU WHAT THAT MEANS TO A RESIDENT.

THE DIFFERENCE IN SOUND LEVEL BETWEEN 50 FEET AND A HUNDRED FEET IS A DOUBLING OF THE SOUND.

A DOUBLING.

SO IF ALL OF A SUDDEN THE NOISE LEVEL YOU HAD AT A HUNDRED, NOW AT 50 FEET, IT IS TWICE AS MUCH.

THE OTHER THING IS, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REALIZE IT, AND I SAY THIS FROM MEETINGS I HAD LAST WEEK WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, YOU HAVE NO EQUIPMENT IN THIS COUNTY TO MEASURE NOISE LEVEL.

MAKES IT VERY HARD TO ENFORCE THOSE REGULATIONS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY.

WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING WITH THEM TO DISCUSS OPTIONS AND ISSUES LIKE THIS.

IT COME UP A LOT, EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS, SOMETIMES THE PARTY SITUATIONS GET OUT OF HAND.

SO THIS IS PART OF WHY WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH THE NOISE LEVELS IN THOSE SITUATIONS.

THE OTHER EXAMPLE I'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THAT I THINK WILL HAVE MEANING TO YOU, RESIDENTIAL AREA IS KNOWN AS THE STANDARD, IS WHAT'S KNOWN AS 55 DB.

IT'S A WAY OF MEASURING SOUND LEVEL, IF YOU WILL, A COMMERCIAL AREA.

THE STANDARD SOUND LEVEL IS 60 DB.

THAT'S ONLY FIVE DIFFERENCE.

THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HUNDRED FOOT AND 50 FOOT IS 60 B.

SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THE NOISE LEVEL THAT YOU'RE GONNA OFFER SOMEONE IN A RESIDENTIAL WHO'S HAVING A PARTY IN A GROUP SUDDENLY IS GONNA GO TO THE EQUIVALENT IS IF THEY'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL AREA.

I DON'T THINK ANY OF US BOUGHT PROPERTY AND UNTIL I HAVE A COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN, IN ANTICIPATION THAT THAT WAS EVEN A POSSIBILITY.

THE LAST THING I'D LIKE TO DO IS PRESENT

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A QUESTION TO YOU.

WE'VE HAD GREAT TIMES EFFORTS WORKING WITH YOUR PLANNING BOARD.

YOU HAVE AN OUTSTANDING PLANNING BOARD WHO HAVE DONE A LOT OF WORK AND A LOT OF RESEARCH.

NOT THAT WE'VE AGREED ON EVERY POINT, BUT THEY HAVE WORKED WITH US AND THEY'VE DONE THE RESEARCH.

WHY DO YOU HAVE A PLANNING BOARD THAT YOU DESIGNATE AS EXPERTISE IF YOU WON'T TAKE THEIR RECOMMENDATIONS? WHAT THEY'VE SAID TO YOU HERE IS WE DON'T THINK ANY OF THOSE THREE SHOULD BE CHANGED.

I WENT TO THAT PLANNING MEETING.

WE SHOULD LEAVE IT AT A HUNDRED AND LET THE SPECIAL CASES WHERE THAT MAKES SENSE TO CHANGE IT, BE ABLE TO STILL BE ADDRESSED.

SO THINK ABOUT WHAT THE MESSAGES YOU'RE EVEN GIVING TO YOUR OWN EMPLOYEES, YOUR MOST VALUABLE ASSET.

NEXT UP IS GARY SMOLEN.

PEN.

GARY SMOLEN, UH, SKYLINE ESTATES ON THE PRESIDENT OF SKYLINE COMMUNITY CORPORATION.

UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT YOU FIND THE PROCESS OF EVALUATING EVERY SHORT-TERM RENTAL APPLICATION TO BE TEDIOUS AND JUDGING BY THE NUMBER OF NEW APPLICATIONS I SEE ADVERTISED EVERY MONTH, I KNOW IT TAKES UP A LOT OF YOUR TIME.

ONE OF YOUR NUMBER HAS SAID THAT THE A HUNDRED FOOT SEPARATION IS NOT WORKING AND THAT YOU HAVE NO CLEAR GUIDELINES TO WORK FROM.

ANOTHER SAYS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A SEPARATION AT ALL.

IF THEY LIVE NEXT TO ONE, THEY WOULD UNDERSTAND.

SO WAIVERS ARE GRANTED ARBITRARILY ALLOWING SOME AND DISAPPROVING OTHERS SOMETIMES WITH THE EXACT SAME CRITERIA.

THE WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS HAS SUGGESTED GUIDELINES TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT MIGHT HELP TO MAKE THE BURDEN OF DECISION MAKER MAKING EASIER.

WHILE WE ARE AWARE THAT ONE SET OF RULES WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO APPLY TO EVERY SITUATION, WE HAVE SUGGESTED ALTERNATIVES THAT MAY HELP.

THIS WOULD ENABLE YOU TO APPROVE OR DISAPPROVE WITHOUT THE APPEARANCE OF FAVORITISM.

AND IF EVERY APPLICANT IS AWARE OF THE GUIDELINES IN ADVANCE, THERE COULD BE NO MISUNDERSTANDINGS, A REVIEW COMMITTEE AND ANOTHER SUGGESTION, INCLUDING COUNTY AND SUBDIVISION REPRESENTATIVES, WOULD ALLOW THE COMMUNITY TO WEIGH IN ON APPLICATIONS.

WE HAVE BEEN AWARE OF AN APPLICANT WHO TAUGHT OUR BOARD THAT THEY WERE NOT AWARE OF THE ORDINANCES BEFORE THEY APPLIED.

SOME OF THESE DISAGREEMENTS HAVE COME ABOUT BECAUSE THERE WAS NO DUE DILIGENCE ON THEIR PART.

THE SOLUTION IS NOT TO REDUCE THE SEPARATION, BUT TO APPLY THE EXISTING ORDINANCES FAIRLY.

THESE PERMITS WHEN ISSUED WILL RUN WITH THE LAND IN PERPETUITY.

WE WELCOME THE OPPORTUNITY OF WORKING TOGETHER TO DRAFT GUIDELINES THAT WILL BE FAIR TO APPLICANTS AND ADJACENT HOMEOWNERS ALIKE.

PLEASE DO NOT REDUCE THE 100 FOOT SEPARATION.

IT'S ONLY BEEN IN EFFECT FOR APPROXIMATELY TWO YEARS.

IT WAS AND IT WAS ADOPTED BY YOUR BODY.

IT WAS A GOOD IDEA THEN AND IT REMAINED SO.

NEXT UP IS ERIC PETERSON.

ALRIGHT, I, ERIC PETERSON, PRESIDENT, UH, THUNDERBIRD FARMS. UM, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE SPEAKING ABOUT THIS.

WHEN WE JOINED THE COALITION, WE JOINED IT AS A BOARD, BUT WE'VE NOT TAKEN A POSITION.

BURG FARMS IS, IS FIVE ACRES AG ZONING.

WE DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE, THE, THE, THIS OVERALL THING, BUT WE JOINED OUR FELLOW, UM, ASSOCIATIONS AND I I THINK ALSO WE VOTED AGAINST BASICALLY A MAJORITY VOTED AGAINST HAVING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A TWO THIRDS MAJORITY TO CHANGE OUR COVENANTS.

SO WE DO NOT HAVE A COVENANT.

SO OFFICIALLY THE BOARD HAS NO POSITION ON SHORT-TERM RENTALS.

BUT AS A, AS A, UH, PERSON REPRESENTING OUR, OUR, UH, COUNTY, FELLOW COUNTY RESIDENCE, I DO HAVE AN OPINION.

I THINK THAT'S, UH, THE A HUNDRED FEET WITH WAIVERS WITH CONSULTING NEIGHBORS IS VERY IMPORTANT.

AND I WOULD ADD ONE MORE THING TO THAT IS THAT, UH, I BELIEVE THESE ARE ONE YEAR THEY'RE, THEY, THEY RUN IN PERPETUITY, BUT I BELIEVE THEY'RE ONE YEAR, UH, RENEWALS.

AND THAT THERE SHOULD BE GUIDELINES FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT WOULD

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LOOK AT EACH ONE.

AND THERE SHOULDN'T BE TOO MANY CASES WHERE YOU MAY HAVE TO HAVE A REHEARING.

THE, THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE THAT COME BACK AND BOTH THE OWNER OF THE SHORT-TERM RENTAL AND THE NEIGHBORS COULD GIVE THEIR OPINION.

AGAIN, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, I I HOPE THAT THEY COULD DO THAT.

I KNOW THERE'S PLACES THAT THEY HAVEN'T DONE THAT AND THEY SHOULD, UH, PERHAPS THEY NEEDED MORE, UH, SHERIFF'S INPUT OR SOMETHING.

BUT THERE, THERE, THERE DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE BOTH THE, THE ABILITY TO WAIVE AND THE ABILITY TO LOOK AT IT FOR, UH, EACH YEAR IF IF NECESSARY.

THANKS.

NEXT UP IS KATHLEEN MANCINI.

HI, I'M KATHLEEN MANCINI SHENANDOAH FARMS. UM, FIRST I WANNA SAY THAT CLARK COUNTY DOES NOT ALLOW SHORT-TERM, UH, TAURIST RENTALS AT ALL IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.

ONLY IN THEIR AGRICULTURE AREAS AND WHAT THEY CALL THEIR FORESTAL, UM, OPEN SPACE AND CONSERVATION DISTRICTS.

UM, THE HUNDRED FOOT DISTANCE FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL IS NOT ARBITRARY.

IT IS THE MINIMUM DISTANCE FROM DRUNK SCREAMING THAT IS TOLERABLE.

THERE WAS AN AIRBNB 50 FEET FROM MY HOUSE FOR SIX MONTHS BEFORE IT WAS SHUT DOWN BECAUSE OF THE HUNDRED FOOT REGULATION.

IT HAS BEEN MONTHLY RENTAL SINCE THEN.

WHILE THE SHORT TERM RENTAL WAS HELL.

THE MONTHLY RENTALS ARE ONLY AS BAD AS LIVING NEXT TO A BAD NEIGHBOR.

HOWEVER, A FEW TIMES THIS SUMMER THEY RENTED IT OUT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE BY THE DECIBEL LEVEL.

I HAVE A NEIGHBOR 50 FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME.

HE WAS COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW LOUD THE SCREAMING WAS FOR THE WHOLE WEEK.

THE SHORT TERM RENTERS WERE THERE AT MORE THAN 140 FEET AWAY WITH A HOUSE IN BETWEEN.

AND THOSE WERE RELATIVELY QUIET AIRBNB GUESTS.

THEY WERE JUST SCREAMING FOR THE WHOLE WEEK, NOT DRUNK SCREAMING.

DID YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE AT 75 FEET AWAY IF YOU ARE GOING TO ALLOW 24 7 BUSINESSES ANYWHERE IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, WHY HAVE RESIDENTIAL AREAS AT ALL? WHY NOT GET RID OF ALL ZONING? WHY NOT LET ANYONE BUILD ANYTHING ANYWHERE THEY WANT? MAYBE BECAUSE THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES OF THAT DECISION WOULD BE TOO MANY TO LIST.

THE A HUNDRED FOOT REGULATION IS A CRITICAL MINIMUM DISTANCE TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOODS FROM BECOMING UNLIVABLE.

THE ONLY QUESTION SHOULD BE WHETHER TO KEEP THE WAIVERS, BUT ONLY BY ADOPTING STRICT GUIDELINES FOR THEM OR ELIMINATING THEM.

IF YOU CAN'T ENFORCE STRICT GUIDELINES FOR VERY RARE WAIVERS, THEN IT IS BETTER TO ELIMINATE THEM THAN HAVE THEM RANDOMLY APPLIED.

THE HUNDRED FOOT REGULATION IS NOT THE PROBLEM.

DON'T ELIMINATE IT BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WAIVERS.

THE HUNDRED FOOT REGULATION IS THE MINIMUM NECESSARY REQUIREMENT FOR THE COUNTY TO KEEP ITS CONTRACT WITH THE RESIDENTS OF THIS COUNTY TO KEEP A RESIDENTIAL ZONED AREA RESIDENTIAL AND AVOID A LAWSUIT BY RESIDENCE FOR BREACH OF AN IMPLIED CONTRACT.

THE PERSON, WHICH LED TO A VETERAN BEING UNABLE TO RECEIVE EMERGENCY SERVICES PROPERLY.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGN UP, SIR.

WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK MS. SAMANTHA GOOD WITH THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT? AND I'M GONNA BE HONEST, BEFORE 2023, I DIDN'T REALLY CARE MUCH ABOUT SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS, BUT I'VE HAD TO SIT THROUGH HOURS OF YOUR'S, PUBLIC HEARING SINCE YOU DECIDE TO SWITCH THE PUBLIC COMMENT TIME.

AND I'VE GOTTA SAY, I THINK IT'S KIND OF CRAZY THAT YOU'RE THINKING ABOUT TOTALLY REMOVING ANY KIND OF SETBACKS ON THESE, ESPECIALLY GIVEN, UM, SUPERVISOR JAMESON AND COOK'S STATEMENTS A COUPLE WEEKS AGO ABOUT HOW THEY WANTED MORE CLEAR GUIDELINES.

AND I'VE SAT THROUGH WATCHING YOU ALL WILLY-NILLY APPROVE THESE.

IN FACT, ONE SPECIFIC NIGHT I WATCHED YOU REFUSE TO APPROVE A SMALLER SETBACK EVEN THOUGH THE PERSON HAD LETTERS FROM BOTH NEIGHBORS, AND THEN YOU APPROVED ONE WHEN THE PERSON HAD ONE LETTER FROM A NEIGHBOR ON ONE SIDE AND THEN A LETTER OF DISSENT ON THE OTHER.

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

I'M ACTUALLY REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT YOUR WHOLE PROCESS AND HOW YOU MAKE DECISIONS.

UH, I AM ALSO CONCERNED BECAUSE SUPERVISOR COOK DID NOT RECUSE HERSELF FROM A ZONING ISSUE WHEN SHE WAS BEST FRIENDS WITH TWO NEIGHBORS.

AND IN NOT DOING SO, SHE VOTED AGAINST

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SO I'M REALLY CONCERNED THAT THEY, YOU WOULD MAKE LESS RESTRICTIONS FOR THIS WHEN YOU SAID YOU WANTED MORE CLARITY AND THAT YOU GUYS SEEM TO BE WILLY-NILLY ABOUT WAIVERS.

IT SEEMS LIKE YOU REALLY DO NEED BETTER RESTRICTIONS AND YOU DO NEED TO LEAVE THESE KIND OF DECISIONS TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION INSTEAD OF YOURSELVES WHO SEEM TO BE STRUGGLING WITH ISSUES.

AND I I'M DISGUSTED THAT YOU PUT YOURSELF IN A POSITION TO INHIBIT EMERGENCY SERVICES TO A VETERAN.

YOU DISGUSTING.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

SO I'D LIKE TO, UH, OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION AGAIN WITH THE BOARD SINCE YOU'VE HEARD THE PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AND, UH, AND I'LL BEGIN BY BY STATING THAT I STILL STAND BY THE FACT THAT WE'RE THE ONLY COUNTY THAT HAS THIS SETBACK AND, UH, CLARK DOESN'T ALLOW IT AT ALL.

E EXCUSE ME.

I DO UNDERSTAND THAT CL CLARK DOES NOT ALLOW THE, UH, THE UH, UH, AIRBNBS IN ANYTHING BUT AGRICULTURAL, BUT, UH, THE OTHER COUNTIES DO.

AND THE, UH, UH, SO I I'M LOOKING AT IT AS, OKAY, SO IF WE ELIMINATE THE, THE, THE THE A HUNDRED FOOT, THEN THE, UH, THEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE THIS, THIS, UH, UH, UH, ISSUE.

IF WE KEEP THE A HUNDRED FOOT, WE'VE GOT TO, WE'VE GOTTA KEEP THAT IN PLACE.

WE, WE CANNOT GET WAIVERS THEN.

THAT'S THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT.

SO THE, UH, ANY ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I, I'LL GO.

CAN YOU TURN? OKAY.

UH, IF I'D LIKE TO THANK THE WC THREE A WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, UM, TO ME THIS IS A, THIS IS A, I DON'T WANNA SAY RELEVANT.

IT'S, IT'S AN, IT'S A, IT IS RELEVANT, BUT IT'S, BUT IT'S A, A VALUABLE RESOURCE TO SEE PEOPLE, UH, DIFFERENT ASSOCIATIONS IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE COUNTY COMING TOGETHER, UH, IN THESE, IN THESE ORGANIZATIONS, HOAS, POAS AND SO FORTH.

AND I, I THINK I'VE SAID, WHEN EVALUATING THESE THINGS IN THE PAST, IT'S, IT'S VERY FRUSTRATING BECAUSE IT ALWAYS SEEMS THERE'S SOMETHING SUBJECTIVE ON THE LINE.

UM, SO THE, THE, YOU KNOW, THE, IF I AM LOOKING AT SOMETHING THAT SAYS ANY NUMBER A HUNDRED FEET, 50 FEET AND NO EXCEPTIONS, THERE'S A HESITATION I HAVE TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S A NO EXCEPTION.

UM, UM, HOWEVER, THE, THE, THE, THE NATURE, AND I, I AGREE WITH, WITH COMMENTS THAT, THAT THIS CAN BE CONFUSING.

I'LL ADMIT IT TO ME SOMETIMES.

I'M USUALLY LOOKING AT THE PREPONDERANCE OF PEOPLE IN THE, IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT RATHER THAN A, A SAW HOW MANY FEET IT IS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, SO, SO THE W I'M SORRY, WARREN COUNTY COALITION OF COMMUNITY ASSOCIATIONS, WC THREE A IS RECOMMENDING, UH, STAYING WITH A HUNDRED FEET AND SAYING THAT, UH, ONLY IN RARE INSTANCES, MEANING A COMPELLING REASON.

AND THEN THERE ARE EXAMPLES OF COMPELLING REASON.

BUT, UH, I JUST, I JUST KEEP THINKING, WELL, IS A COMPELLING REASON TO ONE PERSON, NOT A COMPELLING REASON TO ANOTHER PERSON.

SO WE ARE REALLY, IT.

I LIKE, I LIKE THAT THERE IS A RECOMMENDATION.

I, I JUST, I JUST DON'T THINK THERE'S GONNA BE A, A WAY TO, FOR COMPELLING REASON TO BE A KNOWN THING.

UH, YET I JUST SAID I HESITATE DOING SOMETHING THAT SAYS NO EXCEPTIONS.

UM, AND THE, YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ESSENTIALLY SAID, DON'T CHANGE, LEAVE IT, LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS.

UM, I TALKED TO MY OWN PLANNING COMMISSIONER AND THE SUGGESTION IN THAT CONVERSATION WAS WHEN IT CAME

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TO US, MAYBE WE COULD SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES THAT LEAVE IT LIKE IT IS, BUT IF THERE'S GONNA BE A WAIVER THAT IT HAD TO COME FROM THE PERSON WHO'S CLOSEST TO WHO, WHO IS, WHO'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET AWAY, THAT THAT, AND THEN THAT PERSON HAD TO INITIATE THE COMMUNICATION TO SAY, I WANT TO AGREE THAT THIS, THIS, UH, WAIVER COULD BE, COULD BE GRANTED RATHER THAN SOME OF THE THINGS WE SEE WHERE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LETTER OR LIKE, SEEMS LIKE A FORM LETTER OR SOMETHING.

AND THEY TAKE IT OVER TO THE NEIGHBOR AND SEE IF THEY CAN GET 'EM TO SIGN IT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT THERE'S ALSO ALL MANNER OF THINGS GOING ON, WHICH, NONE OF WHICH WE CAN MONITOR OR REGULATE OR ANYTHING.

UM, BUT, AND, AND EVEN THIS, THIS SUGGESTION, UM, FROM, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSIONER IN MY DISTRICT, THAT THE COMMUNICATION TO THE, TO THE, TO THE COUNTY WOULD BE COMING IN SOME VERIFIED WAY FROM THAT CITIZEN WHO IS CLOSER THAN A HUNDRED FEET, THAT IS SAYING, I'M OKAY WITH THIS WAIVER.

UM, AND THEN LET'S ADD ONTO THAT.

THEN THEY SELL THE HOUSE AND THE NEXT CITIZEN IS IN THE HOUSE.

AND THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT OKAY WITH IT.

SO IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT AN EASY ANSWER HERE.

I WILL SAY, MY INCLINATION IS IT'S, FIRST OF ALL, WHEN I SEE THESE THAT I WANT TO, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE IMMEDIATE PEOPLE ON EITHER SIDE ARE, WHAT THE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD ARE, AND IF THERE'S AN HOA OR A POA, I'M INTERESTED IN, IN WHAT THEIR THING IS.

I'M SORRY IF THIS IS A RANT, BUT, BUT, UM, THERE'S ANOTHER, ANOTHER ELEMENT HERE, AND THAT IS THAT, UM, I REALLY DON'T LIKE WHEN WE ARE FACED WITH, WITH SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE SAY, WELL, I BOUGHT THIS AND I SPENT A BUNCH OF MONEY ON IT, AND, UH, I REALLY NEED, YOU KNOW, TO DO THIS.

'CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS, THIS IS WHAT I, THEY, THEY HAD A PLAN.

THEY EXECUTED THEIR PLAN, THEY, THEY SPENT MONEY, UM, AND NOW THEY WANT THEIR PERMIT.

AND THAT'S DI THAT'S ACTUALLY, IT'S NOT THAT DIFFICULT 'CAUSE 'CAUSE I REALLY, I DON'T FIND MYSELF SYMPATHETIC TO THOSE SITUATIONS BECAUSE THEY SHOULD HAVE GOT THE ANSWER BEFOREHAND, I THINK.

UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S SOME SUGGESTIONS LIKE MAYBE, UM, SOMEBODY SHOULD HAVE TO HAVE THE PROPERTY FOR A YEAR BEFORE THEY ARE ABLE TO DO THIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

UM, I THINK THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS.

UH, SO IF I REFER TO, TO WHAT'S HERE, I WOULD ON OPTION, UM, SORRY.

I WOULD SAY, UH, OPTION A, WHICH IS ELIMINATE THE REQUIREMENT, IT WOULD NOT BE FOR THAT.

OPTION B IS, UH, A HUNDRED FEET NON WAVEABLE.

I CAN'T REALLY BE ABSOLUTIST AND NEVER WAVE ANYTHING, BY THE WAY.

UH, SOME OF THE COMPELLING REASONS, I JUST WANNA READ 'EM.

UM, SAY FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WE'RE GIVEN IN THIS, IN THIS WRITE UP, UM, A COMPELLING REASON.

FOR EXAMPLE, A FAMILY THAT HAS LIVED IN THE HOUSE 25 YEARS, AND NOW THE SITUATION HAS CHANGED, UM, OR A HOUSE IN A FLOOD PLAIN WHERE IT MIGHT NOT BE CONDUCIVE TO LONG-TERM RESIDENTS.

THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE SOMEBODY WHO DISAGREES.

SO THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA EVER GET AWAY FROM THAT.

UM, I DO THINK, AND I'LL, I'LL ASK FOR COMMENTS FROM THE OTHER MEMBERS.

IF THE IDEA OF THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S CLOSER THAN A HUNDRED, HAVING TO INITIATE COMMUNICATION PROACTIVELY THEMSELVES TO, TO, TO AGREE TO THE WAIVER, IF THAT'S A, A, A WAY TO HANDLE IT.

UM, BUT ALL THE, THE POTENTIAL COMPELLING REASONS AND ARE, ARE BACK TO SUBJECTIVITY.

SO THE 50 FEET, I HAVE A QUESTION, A MARGINAL QUESTION HERE, CHASE, ON THE FIF ON THE A HUNDRED FEET, IS THAT CORNER OF THE HOUSE TO THE CORNER OF THE HOUSE, IS THAT ANYTHING TO DO WITH PROPERTY LINES OR WHAT IS THAT? SO IT IS MEASURED STRUCTURE TO STRUCTURE AND BE THE CLOSEST POINT BETWEEN, OKAY.

THE STRUCTURES ON A LINEAR DISTANCE AND ON THE, THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH 50 FEET.

IS THAT FROM A, FROM PROPERTY LINE, OR IS, OR IS THAT, IS IT 10 FEET FROM A PROPERTY LINE, BUT 50 FEET FROM A STRUCTURE FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION? YOU'RE SAYING IF OPTION C WERE ADOPTED? YEAH, SORRY.

WELL, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONS BETWEEN OPTION C AND NEW CONSTRUCTION SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.

IT WOULD BE THE SAME.

IT WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE CLOSEST POINTS OF THE STRUCTURES, WHATEVER THAT DISTANCE IS.

IF IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET, THEN FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION, I'M SORRY, FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS, WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE CODE? OH, I'M SORRY.

SO JUST A HOUSE.

SO A 50 FOOT BACK, A NON RENTAL SITUATION.

ALL THREE DISTRICTS HAVE SETBACKS OF 50 FEET FROM THE FRONT, WHICH WOULD BE MEASURED FROM THE EDGE OF THE PLATTED RIGHT OF WAY 15 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY LINES, AND 35 FEET FROM THE REAR PROPERTY LINE.

UM, UM, THE RIGHT, WE DO HAVE HIGHER DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS, BUT WHERE SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE ALLOWED IS RESIDENTIAL, AGRICULTURAL, AND RURAL RESIDENTIAL.

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SO, OH, OKAY.

SO, SO HOUSES AND, AND NEW CAN, NEW CONSTRUCTION NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BE 30 FEET APART, AT LEAST, UNLESS THERE'S A VARIANCE INVOLVED.

SO, UM, I I BELIEVE THAT, UM, I'M INTERESTED IN, UM, THE, TO BASICALLY DENY ALL THE AMENDMENTS AND IF IT'S POSSIBLE IN THIS MEETING TO TAKE UP A, A, UH, ADDITION.

SORRY.

IS IT POSSIBLE IN THIS MEETING TO MODIFY AND COME UP WITH ANOTHER OPTION TO PROPOSE? I THINK I WOULD NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE OPTION WAS, WELL BEFORE I COULD ANSWER THAT QUESTION.

WHICH OPTION TO GO TO BE MORE SUBJECTIVE AND UNDERSTANDING OF THE, THE NEIGHBORS OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

I WANTED TO, TO ENTER TO A DISCUSSION WITH, SEE WHAT THE OTHER SUPERVISORS THOUGHT ABOUT THE RE UH, A, AN ACCEPTABLE REASON FOR A WAIVER BEING THAT A, THE NEIGHBOR WHO'S CLOSER THAN A HUNDRED FEET ACTUALLY WROTE TO THE COUNTY AND ASK THE COUNTY TO APPROVE, TO APPROVE GRANT THE WAIVER.

YOU THINK THAT'S DIFFERENT ENOUGH THAT YOU'D WANT TO RE ADVERTISE THAT? SO FOR EXAMPLE, OKAY, IF YOU WANTED, YOU KNOW, TO ADOPT 75 FEET OR SOMETHING, I, THAT'D BE OKAY.

SEE WHAT I MEAN? WELL, IN THAT CASE, I WOULD, I WOULD, MY, MY THOUGHTS ARE TO JUST, JUST TO DENY A, B, AND C AND JUST GO STATUS QUO UNTIL WE CAN FIGURE OUT SOMETHING ELSE.

MICKEY , WE HAVE AS A BOARD GONE THROUGH THIS.

I THINK WE'RE ON OUR SECOND YEAR NOW.

AND UNFORTUNATELY MR. JAMESON, DR.

JAMESON AND STAN MEYER HAS NOT, UM, BEEN INVOLVED WITH THE PRIOR DISCUSSIONS AND, UM, READING THE RECOMMENDATIONS HERE, I, THE IDEAS HERE ARE HOW TO RESOLVE THIS.

LAST YEAR WENT TO THE PLANNING OFFICE AND GAVE THE SAME IDEAS OF HOW TO, TO PUT A CRITERIA TO DECIDE WHAT IS, WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE FOR WAIVER OR NOT.

AND THEY WERE SHOT DOWN.

WELL, I, MAYBE THAT'S TOO STRONG OF A WORD.

IT WAS NOT FEASIBLE, I GUESS, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER REASONS.

SO TO RE REVISIT THIS AGAIN, IS THIS GONNA BE KICKING THIS DOWN THE ROAD, KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD AGAIN? NOW, AS FAR AS THE COMMENT OF, YOU KNOW, WELL, IF WE HAVE A CRITERIA WHERE A NEIGHBOR THAT'S A HUNDRED FEET OR 70 FEET, YOU KNOW, THEY SAY YAY OR NAY, YOU KNOW, HELPS WITH THAT, THAT CRITERIA.

WELL, WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON ACROSS THE STREET? WHAT ABOUT, WHAT ABOUT THE PERSON THAT'S THREE, THAT THREE HOUSES DOWN? THEY'LL HEAR THE NOISE, THEY'LL HEAR THE DRIVING, THEY'LL, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GONNA STILL, YOU KNOW, HAVE SOME TYPE OF, UM, INVOLVEMENT WITH ANY DISRUPTION OF ANYBODY WHO'S RENTED THE SHORT TERM RENTAL.

SO, I KNOW THE LAST TIME, MR. MR. BUTLER, I MEAN, THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE IS LIKE, HE SAID, LET'S, LET'S MOVE ON, YOU KNOW, OF, OF REVISITING THIS, YOU KNOW, SO, UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF OPTION B BECAUSE IT KEEPS THE SUB, YOU KNOW, UH, THE SUBJECTIVITY OUT OF, OUT OF THIS.

I, I UNDERSTAND THAT SOME OF THE HOMES THAT ARE BUILT, YOU KNOW, FOR 20, LIKE ONE OF THE COMPELLING REASONS HERE WHERE IT SAID A HOUSE OF 25 YEARS, MOM AND DAD PASSED, LEFT IT, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH.

I AGREE WITH THAT, BUT I, I RECALL TALKING TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT LAST YEAR ABOUT CAN WE DO A CRITERIA OF THE, UH, HOW LONG THE OWNER OWNED THE PROPERTY? AND THEY, YOU KNOW, CAME BACK AND SAID, WELL, I DON'T THINK WE CAN DO IT.

WE CAN'T DO THAT BECAUSE OF THIS REASON OR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, I'D BE WILLING TO, YOU KNOW, HAVE A CRITERIA IN THE CODE OF DOING THAT.

SO, BUT ANY EVENT, UM, I THINK THIS IS, YOU KNOW, PUTTING THIS ASIDE AND, AND GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS NOT GONNA BE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE THIS IS THE SECOND TIME THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME BACK AND SAYS, NO, THIS IS, WE DON'T WANT IT SUPPORT THIS.

SO IT'S GONNA BE UP TO, UP TO US TO DECIDE, UM,

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SO THAT'S WHY I'M, I'M OPTION B.

SO YOUR OPTION C, YOUR OPTION B? NO, NO, I'M NOT OPTION.

NO, I, I'M, YEAH, I'M, I'M OPTION B.

IT KEEPS, IT KEEPS THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK.

BACK, LEAVE IT THE WAY IT IS NOW, GO BACK, HAVE THIS COMMITTEE, AND LOOK AT, UM, HOW LONG IT WOULD, YOU SHOULD HAVE THE PROPERTY BEFORE YOU CAN TURN IT INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL SO THAT THAT DECREASES THAT UNAVAILABILITY FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO LIVE HERE.

YOU KNOW, AND THEN, AND THIS, THE WAIVER'S GONE AND EVERYONE'S TREATED EQUAL, JOHN.

WELL, I'M CERTAINLY NOT ON BOARD WITH ELIMINATING IT COMPLETELY.

AND I, I'M SORRY, UH, CHAIRMAN, I HAVE TO RESPECTFULLY DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THAT ONE.

UM, THERE'S, SO THERE'S TWO QUESTIONS.

WHAT IS THE RIGHT DISTANCE AND HOW MUCH WAVE ABILITY DO YOU WANT? UM, I THINK A HUNDRED IS, IS PRETTY GOOD IN GENERAL.

I, I, THE PROBLEM IS THAT DISTANCE, IT'S A PROXY FOR NUISANCE.

'CAUSE YOU CAN'T MEASURE NUISANCE DIRECTLY, BUT YOU CAN MEASURE WHAT CAN YOU MEASURE DIRECTLY NOISE, SORT OF NOT, NOT IN ADVANCE OR DISTANCE, WHICH YOU CAN MEASURE IN ADVANCE.

SO IT'S, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE BEST METRIC THERE IS, UH, WHEN THESE ARE BEING APPROVED OR, OR AT LEAST AT, AT THE FIRST GATE.

UH, SO, BUT THERE ARE CASES LIKE THE FLOODPLAIN OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER ELSE WHERE SOME LEVEL OF DISCRETION IS POTENTIALLY HELPFUL.

I AM CONCERNED ABOUT SITUATIONS THAT EXPOSE US TO, WHETHER YOU HAD AN UNSCRUPULOUS PERSON IN THERE WAS FAVORITISM OR, OR, YOU KNOW, SOME SORT OF DISCRIMINATION OR JUST, OR JUST SUBCONSCIOUS, UH, WHIM OR, OR, OR, YOU KNOW, THE INCONSISTENCY THAT CAN CREEP IN.

UM, I DON'T LIKE THAT, UH, ON ONE HAND HAVING THE CLOSEST NEIGHBORS OR ANY NEIGHBORS WHO ARE UNDER A HUNDRED FEET HAVING TO PROACTIVELY SUPPORT IT IS APPEALING BECAUSE IT, IT POTENTIALLY SOLVES THAT NUISANCE LEVEL FOR THE NEIGHBOR.

BUT, UM, EVEN AS YOU MENTIONED RICH, THEN THE HOUSES TURN OVER, PEOPLE MOVE, IT, IT, IT'S SUBJECTIVE TO THEM.

EVEN WHAT, LIKE, WHAT, WHAT'S MY, OR YOUR, OR ANYONE'S INDIVIDUAL TOLERANCE LEVEL FOR NOISE NEXT DOOR MIGHT DEPEND A LOT ON WHERE WE CAME FROM AND WHAT WE'RE USED TO.

UM, SO THIS IS, THIS IS VERY TRICKY.

UM, AT THIS POINT, I THINK I'M INCLINED TO, TO REJECT A, B, AND C, ALL, ALL OF THEM.

UM, AND APART FROM THAT, UH, AND NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING NEW TONIGHT, BUT POTENTIALLY JUST RECOMMEND, UM, AND MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING WE, WE GENTLY ASK PLANNING, UH, TO, TO LOOK INTO IS, UM, WHAT MIGHT A SET OF OBJECTIVE STANDARDS LOOK LIKE IF WE WANTED TO HAVE STRICTER GUIDANCE, STRICTER GUIDELINES, UM, TO, TO TRY AND TIGHTEN THIS UP AND MAKE IT LESS SUBJECTIVE.

UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY SITUATION ON HERE IS DIFFERENT.

AND SOME OF THESE I, I THINK, ARE MORE OBJECTIVE EVEN THAN OTHERS.

LIKE IF IT'S A FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF MAKES SENSE.

IF IT'S A HARDSHIP ISSUE, I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T WANT ANYONE TO LOSE THEIR HOUSE.

I, I, I HAVE HELPED CONSTITUENTS KEEP THEIR HOUSE, BUT STILL, THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY A REASON TO JUST GRANT A SHORT TERM RENTAL, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THE THINGS BEING EQUAL, YOU KNOW.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S TOUGH.

BUT I THINK TONIGHT I'M, I'M GONNA HAVE TO DECLINE A, B AND C AND, AND, UH, I THINK WE NEED TO KEEP THE DOOR OPEN TO COMING UP WITH SOME GUIDELINES, UH, THAT ARE A LITTLE TIGHTER IN THE FUTURE.

MS. SCHOLARS, I, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.

I THOUGHT WHEN WE, WE'VE HAD MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS DURING PUBLIC HEARINGS LIKE THIS, WHICH I THOUGHT WERE INAPPROPRIATE TIMES, AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE ASKED REPEATEDLY, CAN WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION ON A COMMITTEE LEVEL? UM, IF THAT HAPPENED, I WASN'T PART OF IT.

BUT, UM, THERE'S SEVERAL THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT.

AND ONE FOR ME WOULD BE, UM, A TIME, YOU KNOW, WE ARE SEEING SO MANY PEOPLE COME IN, BUY A HOUSE AND SAY THEY LOVE THE AREA.

THIS IS GONNA BE A VACATION HOME, SO FORTH.

AND, BUT REALLY THEIR INTENTION, IT'S A, A BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY.

AND I AM NOT GONNA SQUASH ANYBODY'S BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES.

BUT WE KEEP SAYING, WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH HOUSING FOR PEOPLE HERE, BUT THEY'RE BEING, THERE ARE HOUSES HERE BEING BOUGHT UP LIKE THIS.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE US GO

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UM, I'D ALSO LIKE TO LOOK AT SHOULD THE SETBACKS BE FROM THE CORNER OF HOUSE TO CORNER OF HOUSE? BECAUSE YOU BROUGHT UP A GOOD, UM, A THOUGHT OF, OKAY, THE PROPERTY LINE IS 30 FEET FROM THE HOUSE AND THEY CAN HAVE A PARTY FIVE FEET ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHICH STILL DOESN'T REALLY HELP WITH THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK OF PRIVACY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS, AND I WOULD LOVE TO SEE US HAVE A COMMITTEE WHERE PLANNING PEOPLE FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, I, I LIKE THIS.

I WISH I'D GOTTEN A LITTLE SOONER TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER 'EM A LOT BETTER.

BUT I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF THINGS TO CONSIDER HOW TO MAKE THIS BETTER WITHOUT GOING TO AN EXTREME ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.

UM, ONE THOUGHT COMES TO MIND THAT, AND I THINK WE'VE HAD THAT HERE BEFORE, WHERE, UM, SOMEONE HAS TWO HOUSES AND ONE IS THEIRS.

ONE IS THEY PARENTS AND THE PARENTS PASS AWAY AND IT'S NOT A HUNDRED FEET, BUT THEY NOW OWN BOTH HOMES AND THEY WANNA MAKE ONE A SHORT TERM RENTAL.

WELL, IF WE GO STRICTLY WITH NON WAVEABLE, I OWN BOTH P PIECES OF PROPERTY, AND NOW I CAN'T DO WHAT I COULD WITH IF IT WAS A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, UM, WITH A WAIVER OF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S 50 FEET AWAY FROM MY RESIDENCE TO WHAT USED TO BE MY PARENTS, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I, AND, AND WE HAVE TO MAKE, THESE ARE OFTEN VERY HARD DECISIONS.

I'LL BE THE FIRST TO SAY, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT I'VE ALWAYS MADE THE RIGHT DECISION WHEN I'VE MADE DECISIONS, BUT I'VE DONE MY BEST TO MAKE THE BEST DECISION.

UM, AND WITH THE CONSIDERATION OF ALL OF THE INFORMATION AND TRYING TO GET OUT AND ACTUALLY LOOK AT THESE PLACES.

AND WE OFTEN DO GET LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS GREAT.

AND I THINK COMMUNICATION IS, IF I'M GOING TO MAKE AND BUY A PLACE FOR A SHORT-TERM RENTAL, I THINK IT'S IN COMFORT ON ME TO MAKE THAT COMMUNICATION AND REACH OUT TO THE NEIGHBORS.

UH, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO TELL 'EM, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO HAVING A CHECKLIST OF YOU SHOULD DO THIS, THIS, AND THIS.

UM, 'CAUSE I'VE SEEN OVER THE TIME I'VE BEEN HERE, WHICH IS LONGER THAN THE REST OF YOU AT THIS POINT, WHERE THAT HAS REALLY HELPED SITUATIONS.

AND WE'VE HAD A ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE TOTALLY OPPOSED TO SOMETHING.

AND THEN I FIND OUT LATER, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WAS OPPOSED WAS MOWING THE YARD WHEN THE OWNERS WEREN'T ABLE TO BE THERE.

SO COMMUNICATION IS A WONDERFUL THING, AND, AND WE DON'T USE IT WELL ENOUGH.

SO FOR ME, I, I CAN'T AGREE WITH ANY OF THESE.

I'D LIKE TO KEEP IT THE WAY IT IS AND WORK TOGETHER TO COME OUT TO SOMETHING THAT'S BEST FOR EVERYONE.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? YEAH.

UM, I MOVE THAT, UH, FINDING THAT THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE, ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND ARE NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICES.

I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS.

DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS? AYE.

SO THAT, UM, SO THAT MEANS THAT WE WILL MOTION TO PASS, BASICALLY DO NOTHING ON THIS.

AND YEAH, .

AND, UH, SO THAT, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT, UH, Y'ALL, UM, GET TOGETHER WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, UH, WITH THE, UM, UH, WITH THE COMMISSION OR WITH A, A COMMITTEE AND SEE IF WE CAN WORK THIS THING OUT BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST KICKING THIS CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

AND MS. KOHLERS, WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT OR WHAT? ABSOLUTELY.

REPORTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS.

SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA, UH, THIS CLOSES OUR, UM, OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UM, UH,

[H. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney]

SO, UH, BUT IF WE BEGIN WITH, UM,

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MS. COLORS.

MR. KLINE, MR. HENRY, UH, SARAH JONES.

UM, AUGUST 7TH, I WAS AT, UM, SKYLINE MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR THEIR OPEN HOUSE.

I WAS THERE AS PART OF, UM, BOARD MEMBER FOR THE POWELL, THE POLICE, ATHLETICALLY THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, IS KICKING OFF.

I TALKED WITH PARENTS AND STUDENTS AND TRIED TO, UM, GIVE THEM THE INFORMATION TO SEE IF THEY WERE INTERESTED IN JOINING THAT.

AUGUST 9TH, UM, THE LITTLE LEAGUE STATE CHAMPIONS CAME TO TOWN.

THERE WAS A PARADE AND THEN A CEREMONY AT, UH, BEAN CROSBY.

AND, UM, THAT WAS QUITE, UM, QUITE A GOOD THING.

THOSE, THOSE YOUNGSTERS HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO BE 12 YEARS OLD.

UM, JUST DID AN AMAZING JOB.

AND NEXT YEAR, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THEY WON'T BE NATIONAL CHAMPIONS.

UM, THEY WERE HERE EARLIER.

UM, I WISH THE ROOM HAD HAD THIS MANY PEOPLE IN IT AT FIVE 30 TO, UM, TO SHOW THEM SUPPORT.

BUT WE DID GIVE THEM, UM, A LITTLE RECOGNITION AT THAT TIME.

FAMILY FUND DAY WAS ALSO THAT DAY, UM, AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL.

AND FIRST TIME I'VE BEEN ABLE TO GO AND THERE WERE A LOT OF VENDORS THERE.

I TOOK THREE OF THE FIVE GRANDCHILDREN AND THEY HAD A BALL THERE, UH, A LITTLE BIT ON THE HOT SIDE, BUT, UM, LOTS OF THINGS TO DO, LOTS OF GAMES, LOTS OF, UM, COMMUNITY SUPPORT THERE.

SO THAT WAS A NICE, UM, MORNING AND AFTERNOON.

AUGUST 11TH, I WENT TO THE MONTHLY BROWNTOWN MEETING AND HEARD THEIR, UM, PROGRESS ON DOING THINGS, UH, FOR THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY AND THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY.

ON THE 13TH OF AUGUST, WE HAD AN ALL POINTS BROADBAND UPDATE.

UM, THAT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR.

UM, THE DIFFERENT, THE VADI GRANT, THE BEAD GRANT AND DIFFERENT THINGS.

AND WE'LL HAVE MORE OF AN UPDATE ON THAT.

HOPEFULLY THEY'RE GOING TO START IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO.

MY HUSBAND WAS ACTUALLY, UM, ON PANHANDLE, I BELIEVE, AND TOOK A PICTURE TO PROVE TO ME THAT HE SAW A V VEHICLE WITH ALL POINTS ON IT OUT DOING WORK.

SO THEY, IT IS COMING, UH, MAY HAVE TAKEN A LITTLE LONGER, BUT IT IS COMING AND AS SOON AS WE GET MORE INFORMATION, WE'LL GET IT OUT.

AS FAR AS, UM, ALL OF THAT IS CONCERNED.

ON THE 14TH, WE HAD A COUNTY BUILDING COMMITTEE MEETING, UH, CONTINUING TO LOOK AT THINGS LIKE THE STEEPLE ON THE COURTHOUSE, UM, FLOORING AT THE SENIOR CENTER, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF BUILDINGS AND THERE'S ALWAYS MAINTENANCE ISSUES.

YOU GET ONE THING FIXED, IT'S JUST LIKE HOME, THE REFRIGERATOR GOES BAD, YOU KNOW, THE WASHER DRYER, THE FURNACE IS GONNA GO AFTER IT.

UM, SO WE CONTINUE TO WORK ON THAT AND, AND DO GOOD THINGS TO KEEP THE BUILDING IN SHAPE.

AUGUST 16TH, LAKEFRONT ROYAL HAD THEIR ANNUAL PICNIC.

UM, THEN I WENT TO THAT AND THEY, UM, DOWN AT THEIR, NEAR THE, THE LAKE.

AND THAT WAS, UM, A NICE EVENT.

EACH YEAR, IT SEEMS, UH, PARTICIPATION GROWS AND THERE WERE A LOT OF CHILDREN THERE THIS YEAR, SO THAT WAS NICE TO SEE.

I LEFT THERE AND I WENT TO THE REACHING OUT NOW BLOCK PARTY WHERE I WAS CHALLENGED BY DR. MARTIN TO A GAME OF CORN HOLE.

AND HE BEAT ME.

HE DIDN'T CHEAT, BUT I DID GET A COUPLE IN.

SO HE DIDN'T SKUNK ME, BUT HE DID BEAT ME.

UM, AUGUST 18TH, WE HAD OUR PAL BOARD MEETING AND WE'RE WORKING ON LOTS OF IDEAS OF TO WORK AND GIVE, UM, THE KIDS FROM FIVE TO 13 FOR THIS PARTICULAR GROUP ACTIVITIES AND THINGS, UM, TO DO IN COORDINATION WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT.

AND THEN THERE'S AN EXPLORER GROUP THAT GOES 14 TO 18, UM, THAT ALSO MEET, BUT THAT'S A DIFFERENT GROUP.

AND THEN I WENT TO THE COMMUNITY MEETING AT SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE THE RECRUITERS FOR THE SUPERINTENDENT, UM, MET.

I THINK THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE.

UM, MAYOR WAS THERE.

I WAS THERE, THE BOARD, SCHOOL BOARD WAS THERE CANDIDATES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS.

I BELIEVE MR. MEYER WAS THERE AS WELL.

I DON'T REMEMBER WHO ELSE, BUT I THINK THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PARENTS THERE.

BUT IT, IT WAS A VERY SMALL TURNOUT, WHICH WAS KIND OF DISAPPOINTING BECAUSE, UM, THEY REALLY WANT COMMUNITY INPUT OF WHAT YOU WANT IN A SUPERINTENDENT, AND THAT'S A VERY IMPORTANT POSITION.

AND, UM, I WISH MORE PEOPLE HAD TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF THAT.

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THIS MORNING I MET WITH VDOT, UM, BECAUSE OF THE, THE RAINS THAT WE GOT BACK LAST MONTH, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF ISSUES, UM, IN BENTONVILLE AND BROWNTOWN.

SO I MET WITH THEM TO CONTINUE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THE NEXT BIG RAIN COMES, HOW WE CAN MAKE IMPROVEMENTS, UM, TO KEEP WATER OUT OF PEOPLE'S HOUSES THE WAY IT GOT IN THIS PAST TIME.

AND THEN AT TWO O'CLOCK WE HAD OUR COMMUNITY POLICY POLICY MANAGEMENT TEAM MEETING, WHICH WORKS WITH FUNDING FOR, UM, CHILDREN WITH, UH, DIFFERENT NEEDS IN THE COMMUNITY.

SO, UM, THAT'S MY REPORT.

UM, I HAVE, IN THE COURSE OF, OF WORKING WITH THE, UM, FARM SAND HUB PROJECT, I'VE RECEIVED SOME FEEDBACK FROM CONSTITUENTS, INCLUDING THE MCKAY FAMILY, UM, INDICATING AN INTEREST IN PRESERVING THE ENTIRE, UH, HISTORIC PARCEL THERE.

AND, UM, I ALSO RECEIVED INFORMATION THAT THE MCKAY PROPERTY WAS IDENTIFIED IN A, IN A 1991, HIS RURAL HISTORIC RESOURCES REPORT, UH, WHICH LISTED THE MCKAY PROPERTY IS ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT PARCELS IN THE, IN THE COUNTY TO PRESERVE.

AND, UH, ONE OF MY CONSTITUENTS NOTIFIED ME SHORTLY AFTER THAT, THAT THE, THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION HAD AT ONE TIME BEFORE THE EDA SCANDAL BEEN INTERESTED IN PURCHASING THAT PROPERTY.

AND APPARENTLY IT FELL BY THE WAYSIDE.

UM, BUT THEY OFFERED TO CONNECT ME WITH SOMEONE FROM, UH, THE BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION, AND I DID CALL THEM, UM, AND THEY WERE INTERESTED.

THEY STILL ARE INTERESTED AND, UH, IT'S A HISTORIC SITE AND THEY HAVE, UM, A LOT, LOT OF RESOURCES AND, AND THAT IS WHAT THEY DO.

AND, UH, SO THEY ACTUALLY TOOK THE INITIATIVE TO ORDER AN APPRAISAL ON THE PROPERTY, UH, THE FULL 15 ACRE SITE.

UM, SO I, I WENT AND MET WITH THEM AND, AND, UH, JUST KIND OF TRIED TO SEARCH OUT, YOU KNOW, HOW SERIOUS THEY WERE.

AND, UH, THEY ARE DEFINITELY INTERESTED IN MAKING A, A PROPOSAL.

AND OBVIOUSLY THERE'S, THIS IS JOINTLY OWNED PROPERTY.

MOST OF IT IS JOINTLY OWNED.

SO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL JOINTLY OWNS SOME OF IT WITH THE COUNTY TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL OWNS PARTS BY THEMSELVES.

THE COUNTY OWNS PART BY ITSELF, AND THIS HAS BEEN MANY YEARS NOW.

SO, UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMS TO BE, TO BE GOING NOWHERE.

UM, THERE ARE AT LOGGERHEADS AND, UH, I THINK THERE'S, THERE I, I AM ENCOURAGED AND I WOULD LIKE THIS BOARD TO INVITE THE BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION, UH, TO, TO COME AND PRESENT TO US, UH, ABOUT WHAT THEY CAN DO, WHAT THE, WHAT THE, THE STRUCTURE OF THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

UM, HOW, HOW WE MAY, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I TALKED TO THEM ABOUT WAS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY DID THAT, IF THEY WENT INTO THE, UH, HERITAGE PRESERVATION ROUTE, YOU KNOW, WOULD THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR AN AGRICULTURAL KIND OF ACTIVITY SUCH AS THE FARM STAND HUB? AND, UH, THEY WERE OPEN TO THAT IDEA, UM, IN TERMS OF, OF BEING CONSISTENT WITH, YOU KNOW, POSSIBILITIES FOR THE SITE.

SO, UM, I ACTUALLY FROM THAT POINT, I STARTED DOING RESEARCH INTO HERITAGE TOURISM AND, UM, I'VE COMPILED A COUPLE OF REPORTS THAT I'VE, I'VE PROVIDED THE SUPERVISORS AS, AS THE FIRST LOOK, UM, TO SEE WHAT THEY THINK.

BUT, UM, HERITAGE TOURISM IS ACTUALLY A DISTINCT CATEGORY, TOURISM.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I FOUND, UH, A LOT OF RESOURCES.

I HAVE MY REPORT I PUT TOGETHER AS 14 REFERENCES, AND ALL OF THEM ARE FAIRLY RECENT.

UM, 2016 SEEMS TO BE THE OLDEST REFERENCE, AND THEY GO UP THROUGH 2024.

UM, JUST A COUPLE, COUPLE POINTS.

HERITAGE TOURISTS CONSISTENTLY SPEND 38% MORE PER DAY IN STATE, 22% LONGER THAN TYPICAL TRAVELERS.

THAT'S AN EXAMPLE.

UM, PARTICULARLY IN VIRGINIA.

UM, LET'S SEE.

VIRGINIA'S HERITAGE TOURISM SECTOR GENERATES APPARENTLY 7.7 BILLION ANNUALLY WHILE SUPPORTING OVER 105,000 JOBS.

THE SECTORS FOR RESILIENCE AND GROWTH ARE EVIDENT IN PROJECTED MARKET EXPANSION.

UM, REGRESSIVELY, SO THERE IS, IS A LOT OF POTENTIAL.

I I DOCUMENTED IT FOR, FOR REVIEW AND, AND A READING BY, BY THE SUPERVISORS, SEE WHAT THEY THINK.

UM, I, I'M HOPEFUL THAT SOMETHING COULD COME OF IT THAT WOULD RESOLVE THE SORT OF THE JOINT OWNERSHIP ISSUE BY TRANSFERRING FOR COMPENSATION, UM, THE PROPERTY TO, TO A, UM, A NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD HAVE A LOT OF COMPONENTS.

IT WOULD HAVE A HERITAGE COMPONENT, IT WOULD HAVE A ECONOMIC COMPONENT IN TERMS OF, UM, HERITAGE TOURISM AND AGRICULTURAL

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TOURISM, UM, AND, UH, HISTORIC ATTRACTION.

SO I THINK THERE'S A, A LOT OF POTENTIAL THERE.

AND THAT IS, UH, SOMETHING I HOPE I'M HOPEFUL WE'LL BE OPEN-MINDED ABOUT, ABOUT HEARING, UH, POSSIBILITIES FOR.

NOW I'LL JUST SAY ON MCKAY.

UM, YEAH, I'VE, I'VE SEEN THAT, UH, RURAL HISTORIC RESOURCES SURVEY ABOUT THE PROPERTY.

IT WAS QUITE INTERESTING.

AND, UH, IT'S ONE OF THE, THE OLDEST, I THINK IT IS THE OLDEST SETTLEMENT IN THE COUNTY.

UM, I'VE ALSO SEEN THE US GEOLOGICAL SURVEY, UM, HYDROLOGY REPORT FROM I THINK 2010 ABOUT, UM, THE SPRING.

AND I, I THINK, UM, FINDING A WAY TO, TO GET THAT PROPERTY INTO A GOOD CARETAKER, LIKE THE BATTLEFIELDS, FOUNDATION'S HANDS, WOULD MEET A LOT OF GOALS AND, UH, ALSO ALLOW US, UH, A LITTLE BIT OF REVENUE FROM IT AND, AND GET OUT OF A TRICKY SITUATION WITH THE TOWN AS WELL.

UM, SO IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE, UH, IT'S DEFINITELY WORTH LOOKING INTO AND, UH, THE WHOLE HERITAGE TOURISM IDEA AND, YOU KNOW, JUST BATTLEFIELDS ARE, ARE A BIG THING AROUND HERE AND, UM, IN, UH, SHENANDOAH VALLEY AND, UH, I KNOW THEY HAVE A TRACK RECORD OF, OF MAKING LEMONADE WITH LEMON SOMETIMES.

SO THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE REALLY GOOD.

UM, UH, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO REPORT, SO.

SO THE, UH, UH, I ONLY HAVE TWO THINGS THAT I WANTED TO, TO MENTION.

ONE IS THAT, UM, I, I WAS AT THE LITTLE LEAGUE OF, UM, OH, UH, PRESENTATION ON AUGUST THE NINTH.

AND I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, THOSE, THOSE YOUNG FELLAS, THEY, THEY REALLY, YOU KNOW, MAKE US PROUD, UH, TO, TO, UH, THAT THEY, THAT THEY HAVE BROUGHT SO MUCH ATTENTION, GOOD ATTENTION TO THIS, UH, TO THIS COUNTY.

SO TRULY APPRECIATE THAT.

THE OTHER ONE IS THAT I'VE BEEN WORKING WITH THE, UH, THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BRINGING HIM, UH, MAKING SURE THAT, UH, UH, HE'S GOT A GOOD PATH FORWARD.

AND WE'LL MENTION THAT, UH, TOWARDS THE END OF THIS MEETING.

SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

UH, DR.

DALEY, I HAVE NO REPORT, SIR, DON'T TELL ME TONIGHT OF MR. HAM WILL HAVE A REPORT.

I ACTUALLY DO NOT HAVE A FORMAL REPORT.

MR. JONES.

I FIGURE THIS SINCE DR.

DALEY DIDN'T HAVE A REPORT, YOU WOULD HAVE ONE.

NO, SIR.

IS THE, UH, RESOLUTION AMENDING FISCAL YEAR 20 20 25, 20 26, BUDGET AND APPROVING APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY VIRGINIA.

WELL, THANK YOU.

SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA

[I. Resolution - Amending Fiscal Year 2025-2026 Budget and Appropriating Funds for Warren County, Virginia - Alisa Scott, Finance Director]

UH, MS. SCOTT, THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY HAVE DEVELOPED AN ANNUAL FISCAL PLAN, WHICH EXCEPT FOR THE PUBLIC SCHOOL BUDGET, IS FOR INFORMATIVE AND FISCAL PLANNING PURPOSES ONLY, IN WHICH ANNUAL BUDGET IS FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, BEGINNING JULY 1ST, 2025, AND ENDING JUNE 30TH, 2026.

A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON JUNE 10TH AT 7:00 PM TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC REGARDING THE SAID ANNUAL BUDGET.

AND THE BUDGET WAS PASSED BY RESOLUTION OF THE BOARD ON JUNE 24TH, 2025, WHICH INCLUDED 1,024,000 IN FUNDING FOR THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD, WHICH FUNDS HAVE NOT BEEN APPROPRIATED AND HAVE NOT BEEN SPENT.

THE BOARD NOW DESIRES TO AMEND THE BUDGET TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD AND THE WARREN COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF FINE RESCUE FROM A PORTION OF THE FUNDING ORIGINALLY ALLOCATED TO THE WARREN COUNTY LIBRARY BOARD AND TO APPROPRIATE SUCH FUNDS BY THE VOTER SUPERVISORS OF WARREN COUNTY.

THE BUDGET IS AMENDED TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD IN THE AMOUNT OF $100,000 AND TO INCREASE FUNDING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY BY $75,000.

AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA, CHANGING THE $100,000 AMOUNT TO $240,000 IN TWO PLACES.

DISCUSSION DR.

JAMESON? YEAH, I'D LIKE TO ACTUALLY PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT TO, UH, CHANGE THAT A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS TO THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD TO $240,000 TO THE WARREN CA BOARD.

AND SO COUNSELOR, THE, UH, YEAH, IF, IF THAT'S THE WILL OF THE BOARD, THEN SUPERVISOR WOULD MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AMENDING FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26, BUDGET

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SO THE, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AMENDING FISCAL YEAR 20 25, 20 26, BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA, INCLUDING $240,000 FOR THE SCHOOL BOARD AND $75,000 FOR PUBLIC SAFETY.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COOK? AYE.

DR.

JAMISON? AYE.

MR. CHAIRMAN? AYE.

MR. SANDMEYER? AYE MRS. ERS, I, I I'M CONFLICTED ON THIS BECAUSE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO FUND THE SCHOOLS AT A HIGHER LEVEL AND YOU DIDN'T THINK THEY NEEDED IT WHEN WE PRETTY MUCH KNEW THEY DID NEED IT.

MS. UM, I, I GET A CHANCE TO SAY MS. COLORS.

THAT TIME TO DO THAT WAS BEFORE YOU DIDN'T ASK FOR DISCUSSION.

I DID, YES.

WELL, OKAY.

UM, IF I CAN'T SAY IT HERE, THEN AM I GONNA BE ALLOWED TO SAY IT AT PUBLIC COMMENT TIME? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SPEAK.

WELL, I, I GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COMMENT.

IS THAT OKAY? NOT AFTER THE CHANGE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, I SIR, YOU ASKED FOR PUBLIC, YOU ASKED THE CHANGE? NOT AFTER THE CHANGE, BUT OKAY.

CHANGE.

I'M GOING TO ABSTAIN BECAUSE I WON'T ROB THE SCHOOLS AND I WON'T ROB THE LIBRARY, SO I CAN'T APPROVE EITHER ONE OF THESE 'CAUSE IT'S NOT RIGHT.

ALL RIGHT, SO MOTION PASSES.

I'M SORRY.

YEAH, WE, WE JUST VOTED.

WE JUST VOTED MM-HMM .

DID WE? YEAH.

SO YES, IT'S FOUR.

UH, AGENDA IS THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS WE WERE GIVING, WE WERE GIVEN AN EXTRA TRANSFER HERE.

ALRIGHT, SO NEXT ON THE, UH,

[J. Appropriations and Transfers]

IS THAT CORRECT, MS. SCOTT? IS THAT PART OF THIS APPROVAL? YES.

AND THE, UM, THE FORM, THIS IS FOR LAKEFRONT ROYAL, UH, TO TRANSFER MONEY, THEY, UH, I GUESS FLYING BY RIGHT NOW.

ANYWAY, THEY WANTED TO, UM, COVER THE ASPHALT PROJECT.

SO ANY EVENT, UM, I KIND, I KIND OF BROUGHT THIS UP BECAUSE WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, UM, COVER LETTER, THE, UM, THE FUNDING DOLLARS, UH, THE LINE ITEM ON THE COVER SHEET, PART OF THEIR BUDGET DID NOT COVER THE TOTAL COST OF THIS PROJECT.

AND SO, UM, I JUST ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT ARE YOU TRANSFERRING FROM THE OTHER LINE ITEMS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

SO, BUT, BUT I GUESS THE BOTTOM LINE HERE IS THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BE TRANSFERRING MONEY FROM THEIR, UM, CARRYOVER BUDGET AND SO THEY'RE GONNA MOVE IT INTO THEIR, THEIR FISCAL YEAR BUDGET TO PAY FOR THIS.

AND THAT'S WHAT THIS FORM IS ABOUT.

SO WITH ALL THAT BEING SAID, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THAT.

I DON'T KNOW.

IT'S JUST MORE OF A PROCEDURAL AND, AND THE ADMINISTRATIVE TASKS.

SO ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS? UH, WELL THERE WAS AN AMENDED SO THAT THESE DOCUMENTS IN HERE, I NEED TO ALSO BE AMENDED TO MATCH.

YES, SIR.

THIS AMENDMENT WOULD BE, YOU WOULD BE INCLUDING, INCLUDING THIS ITEM? YEAH.

AND THE, AND THE AMENDMENT THAT WAS VOTED ON TO CHANGE THE AMOUNT.

OH, OH NO, THE AMOUNT DIDN'T CHANGE.

YEAH, IT DID.

IT DID.

THAT'S A SEPARATE TRANSFER, THE ONE THAT YOU'VE ALREADY VOTED ON.

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RIGHT? IT'S IN, IT'S INAPPROPRIATE.

JUST SOME TRANSFER.

SO IT'S IN THAT DOCUMENT STACK.

SO JUST, DOES THAT NEED TO BE EXPLICIT OR IS THAT IMPLICIT? I WOULD NOT DO IT TWICE.

LISTEN, BECAUSE YOU DO IT, IF YOU DO IT WITH THE RESOLUTION, YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO IT AGAIN, RIGHT? I MEAN, I IF SO THEN I'M SORRY, I SECOND WHAT WE COULD DO IS SECOND, SECOND DRIVE A TERRIBLE COMPUTER PROBLEMS AND I CANNOT FOLLOW ALONG.

WE, WE COULD, UH, WHAT WE COULD APPROVE THIS, WE COULD APPROVE THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS, UH, INCLUDING THE, UH, UH, APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS THAT WE HAD INCLUDED IN THE RESOLUTION.

IF YOU'VE ALREADY DONE IT, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO IT TWICE.

IF THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THERE, THEN YOU'RE GONNA WANNA DO THOSE AND TAKE OUT THE ONES YOU ALREADY DID.

WELL, YOU CONFUSED ME.

WELL, THE APPROPRIATIONS AND APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS IS BACKING UP WHAT WE ALREADY DID.

BUT IF I MAY, INITIALLY WE WERE GOING TO DO THIS JUST AS TRANSFERS.

AND AFTER CONSULTING WITH MR. HAM FURTHER, HE SAID WE SHOULD DO IT AS A SEPARATE RESOLUTION.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S HOW IT GOT THERE.

UH, SO WE WOULD REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS WITH THE ADDITION OF THE LAKEFRONT ROYAL TRANSFER AND YOU CAN REMOVE THE WINCHESTER COUNTS, UH, WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE.

RIGHT.

'CAUSE THOSE HAVE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED.

SO DO I HAVE A, UH, DO I HAVE ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A, A, UM, A MOTION? LEMME SEE HERE.

I APPROVE THE, UM, OH, YOU, YOU MOVE.

I MOVE TO APPROVE .

I MOVE TO APPROVE THE WARREN COUNTY APPROPRIATION TRANSFER REQUEST FOR AUGUST, 2025 LESS.

ITEM SIX, WHICH IS A TRANSFER APPROPRIATION OF 70 5K TO, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE LESS.

ITEM SIX, UM, TRANSFER APPROPRIATION OF A HUNDRED K UH, TO THE SCHOOL BOARDS.

AND ALSO IN, UM, ADDING TO THE LIST IS THE TRANSFER OF $88,200 FOR LAKE FRONT ROW, I THINK.

AND THIS IS APPROPRIATION AND A TRANSFER.

OF MINUTES FOR, UH, AUGUST 6TH.

IS THAT SUFFICIENT? DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS.

[K. Approval of Accounts]

I HAVE NO QUESTIONS.

DO YOU HAVE, UH, SOME QUESTIONS ON APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS? NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.

YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS? NO? MM-HMM.

NO QUESTIONS MS. ERS? NO.

DR.

JAMISON? NO.

DO I HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD APPROVE THE APPROVAL ACCOUNTS AS PRESENTED.

[L. Approval of Minutes- August 6th 2025]

I MOVE FIFTH.

THE BOARD APPROVED THE MINUTES FOR AUGUST 6TH AS PRESENTED.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

[P. Consent Agenda]

THE, UH, UH, AGENDA IS NEW BUSINESS CONSENT AGENDA, DO I HAVE ANY ITEMS THAT, UH, THAT Y'ALL WANT TO PULL FOR CONSIDERATION? I DON'T HAVE ANY.

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NO.

THIS COVERS NO.

SO DO I HAVE A, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? I APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.

IS THE APPOINTMENT OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

DO I HAVE A, DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

SO NEXT ON THE AGENDA

[Q. Appointment of County Administrator]

Y'ALL WILL JUST BEAR WITH ME FOR A SECOND.

THESE COMPUTERS ARE SLOW TONIGHT.

SO I'D LIKE TO ANNOUNCE THAT, UM, WE HAVE, UH, SELECTED A NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

HIS NAME IS, UH, BRAD SHAW.

HE COMES FROM, UH, PENNSYLVANIA.

HE'S BEEN, UH, HE'S BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE AS FAR AS, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENT GOES.

HE HAS BEEN AN ELECTED OFFICIAL.

HE HAS ALSO, UM, SERVED AS A, UH, AS AN ADMINISTRATOR FOR TOWNSHIPS WITHIN, UH, UH, PENNSYLVANIA.

UH, WE CONDUCTED AN EXTENSIVE SEARCH AND, UH, MR. GODSHAW, UH, COMES WITH, UH, VERY, UM, VERY GOOD RECORDS AND, UH, HAS, UH, QUITE A FEW ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

UH, DOES ANYBODY, WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO MAKE A COMMENT ON MR. SHAW? I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM.

YEAH, LIKEWISE.

I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM.

I THINK HE, HE HAD, UM, EXCELLENT QUALIFICATIONS AND I ENJOYED INTERVIEWING WITH HIM.

I THOUGHT HE PERFORMED VERY WELL IN THE INTERVIEW.

UM, AND LOOK FORWARD TO STARTING.

YEAH, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING WITH HIM.

AND, UH, I'M ALSO THINKING THAT THIS MARKS AN OPPORTUNITY WITH THE TOWN, WITH JOE PETTY AS, AS NEW TOWN MANAGER AND NEW TOWN ADMINISTRATOR HERE.

NOT THAT, NOT THAT DR.

DALEY HAS BEEN DEFICIENT IN ANY WAY BECAUSE HE'S BEEN EXCELLENT.

BUT, UH, IT'S, IT'S JUST A, A RESET BUTTON WITH NEW PEOPLE AND OPPORTUNITY TO FORGE NEW RELATIONSHIPS.

UH, JUST LOOKING FOR FORWARD TO THAT AS WELL.

MS. CARLOS? NO COMMENT.

SO THE, UH, SO I DO WANT TO SAY THAT, UM, UH, MR. SHAW, HE WILL BE STARTING AS OF SEPTEMBER THE 11TH.

UM, HE WILL, UM, UM, AND DR.

DALEY WILL BE ON, HE, HE WILL BE, UH, UH, AVAILABLE UNTIL AROUND NOVEMBER THE FIRST IN THE, UH, AND THIS WILL GIVE, UH, MR. SHAW A, AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET HIS FEET ON THE GROUND.

AND, UH, THAT'S WHY, UH, IN THE NEXT, UH, NEXT THING WE WE'LL BE TALKING ABOUT WHAT WILL BE DR.

DAILEY'S NEW, UM, UH, TITLE ONCE THE NEW ADMINISTRATOR COMES ON BOARD.

YES, SIR.

SO, MR. CHAIRMAN, WE NEED TO HAVE A, THERE'S A, FOR ITEM Q, THERE IS A, UM, SUGGESTED, UH, MOTION TO APPOINT MR. GARAL TO, UM, ADOPT HIS EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT.

A SENIOR CONSULTANT UNTIL THE, UM, PROBABLY UNTIL AROUND THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER.

WOULD, UH, WOULD SOMEONE READ THAT, UH, THAT MOTION? I THINK I CLOSED IT.

YOU HAVE, I KNOW, GO AHEAD.

YOU CAN GO AHEAD.

I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE EMPLOYMENT AGREEMENT AND APPOINT BRADLEY ELL AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR OF WARREN COUNTY EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS? NO.

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NEW BUSINESS.

WE'LL HAVE, UM, UH, WANTED TO DISCUSS, UH, UH, DR.

DALEY'S TITLE AS OF SEPTEMBER THE 11TH.

AND, UH, I PROPOSE THAT WE, THAT HE WILL BE, UH,

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UM, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROPER WAY? I THINK MAYBE IF I MOVE THAT, UH, MAYBE IT'S GOOD TO EXPLAIN THE BACKGROUND FOR THIS, THAT DR.

DALEY HAS INDICATED HE WANTED TO RETIRE FOR, I THINK THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF, OR MAYBE LONGER THAN THAT.

AND, UH, 12 YEARS AND, UH, STAYED TO HELP WARREN COUNTY AND, UH, HE HAS TO GIVE AT LEAST 60 DAYS NOTICE TO VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

AND SO THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THE BOARD DOES NOT WANT TO PENALIZE, UH, DR.

DALEY FOR, FOR STAYING DURING THE SEARCH PROCESS.

SO IT WOULD BE A, A MOTION TO, UH, APPOINT DR.

DALEY AS, UH, SENIOR ADVISOR EFFECTIVE AT HIS CURRENT SALARY AND BENEFITS, UH, EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 11TH, 2025.

I'LL JUST SAY.

SO MOVED UNTIL THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER? YES, YOU CAN DO, YOU CAN HAVE AN END DATE IF YOU LIKE.

YES, ABSOLUTELY.

AND HE WANTS AN END DATE.

NOW WE'RE DOWN TO THE, UH, PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

VERY WILL .

SO, UH, SO MOVED.

DO I HAVE A SECOND? SECOND.

[S. Public Comment Period - General Comments (30Minute Time Limit)]

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? UH, YES SIR.

FIRST UP IS SAMANTHA GOOD? SAMANTHA GOOD FROM SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT? FIRST, I JUST WANT TO SAY I DIDN'T WANNA TALK ABOUT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT I THINK IT SPEAKS VOLUMES THAT YOU FOUR SUPPORTED THEM AND CHERYL DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY.

I LOOK FORWARD TO LOOKING INTO WHAT TYPE OF PERSON THAT MR. BRAD, I COULDN'T UNDERSTAND HIS NAME.

YOU WERE KIND OF MUMBLING IS, BUT, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT YOU FOUR CONTINUE TO SHOW A TOTAL LACK OF INTEGRITY WHEN IT COMES TO THE LIBRARY.

YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANYONE.

YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN TO FUND THE SCHOOLS MORE AND TO FUND THE CHESTER GAP FIRE AND RESCUE.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO.

AND YOU KNOW WHY? BECAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WASTING OVER TWO YEARS FIGHTING A LIBRARY INSTEAD OF FINDING WAYS FOR INCOME TO COME INTO THIS COUNTY, TO THE MAN WHO SPOKE ABOUT HIS TAXES BEING RAISED.

THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTY IS THAT YOU ALL AREN'T FOCUSED ON ANY INCOME AT ALL EXCEPT MR. JAMESON HERE WHO RECENTLY DECIDED TO GO ON HIS RANT ABOUT TOURISM AFTER COLLUDING WITH SCOTT MEYER, WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY THE SAFE SAMUELS LIBRARY PACK IS NOT SUPPORTING HIM.

AND TO THE GENTLEMAN WHO WANTED TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THIS FIGHT AGAINST THE LIBRARY, WWW.SAVESAMUELLIBRARY.COM, ALL THE ARTICLES ABOUT YOUR ALL'S TOTAL LACK OF INTEGRITY OVER THESE LAST TWO PLUS YEARS, REALLY.

AND IT JUST SHOWS EVERY TIME BOARD REPORTS COME AND YOU FOUR HAVE NOTHING TO SAY EXCEPT MR. JAMESON'S PET PROJECT, WHERE MS. COLORS IS OUT IN THE COMMUNITY ACTUALLY PAYING ATTENTION TO HER CONSTITUENTS.

AND I WANTED TO SAY, UM, IN YOUR RESOLUTION, AMENDING THE BUDGET IN PARAGRAPH SIX, THERE'S AN EXTRA ZERO AFTER THE 75,000.

I'M HOPING THAT WAS JUST A MISTAKE SINCE YOU DID ONLY APPROVE 75,000, UM, AND 240,000 TO THE SCHOOLS.

IT'S SO FUNNY, MR. JAMESON, THAT NOW YOU'RE SUPPORTIVE OF THE SCHOOLS.

YOU ALL CRITICIZE THE SCHOOLS DURING THEIR REPORT TO YOU OVER AND OVER AGAIN ABOUT THEIR AMOUNT OF SPENDING.

THEY NEED AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY NEEDED.

THEY NEEDED AN EXTRA 4.2 MILLION JUST TO MEET BASIC NEEDS.

240,000 IS NOT GONNA CUT IT.

YOU ARE NOT REALLY DOING ANYTHING AND YOU'RE NOT MAKING YOURSELVES LOOK BETTER BECAUSE TRYING TO PIT THE LIBRARY AGAINST THE SCHOOLS AND THE FIRE DEPARTMENT ISN'T GONNA WORK.

THIS COUNTY HAS WOKEN UP AND IS PAYING ATTENTION TO YOU.

AND I LOOK FORWARD TO ELECTION DAY 'CAUSE I WILL KNOCK ON EVERY DOOR WHEN YOU COME UP FOR ELECTION.

WHEN YOU COME UP FOR ELECTION.

AND I'M ALREADY KNOCKING ON DOORS FOR YOU TWO BECAUSE I REFUSE TO LET THIS COUNTY GO TO CRAP BECAUSE OF WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING TO IT, COMPLETELY TEARING IT APART.

YOU ARE DISGUSTING PEOPLE ATTACKING A LIBRARY AND TRYING TO PRETEND THAT YOU'RE GOOD PEOPLE BY GIVING MORE MONEY TO THE SCHOOLS.

YOU COULD HAVE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO DO YOUR JOB, JOB.

YOU CHOSE NOT TO FIND INCOME IN THIS COUNTY.

YOU CHOSE, YOU CHOSE AND GIVING THEM MONEY NOW BECAUSE YOU'RE MAD AT THE LIBRARY AND YOU WANNA PLAY CHICKEN THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU GOOD PEOPLE.

THAT JUST MAKES YOU DISGUSTING.

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NEXT UP IS EILEEN.

DEAR, MY NAME IS AILEEN DERICH FROM THE HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT, HOW SICKENING LEAF S SMUG THE FOUR OF YOU ARE BEFORE THE COMMUNITY WHO HAS PLEADED WITH YOU.

BROUGHT OUR CONCERNS TO YOU FOR OVER TWO YEARS FOR ONE OF THE MOST ESSENTIAL RESOURCES IN OUR COUNTY.

ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE RESOURCES IN OUR COUNTY, AN AWARD-WINNING LIBRARY, VIRGINIA'S LIBRARY OF THE YEAR.

AND AS SAM SAID, YOU ALL CHOOSE TO NOW APPROPRIATE THESE FUNDS TO THE SCHOOL AND FIRE AND RESCUE FUNDS, WHICH THEY HAVE BEEN DENIED BY THIS VERY BOARD, WHICH THEY HAVE DESPERATELY NEEDED AND ASKED FOR.

TO SAY THAT YOU ALL HAVE FAILED AS PUBLIC SERVANTS IS A GROSS UNDERSTATEMENT.

I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THE $51,819 AND 29 CENTS THAT HAVE BEEN UTTERLY WASTED ON THE LIBRARY ISSUE AS OF MAY OF 2025.

I'D BE INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT IT IS NOW IN AUGUST OF 2025 FUNDS THAT SO EASILY COULD HAVE BEEN ALLOCATED TO OUR PUBLIC SCHOOLS AND FIRE AND RESCUE.

I'M SURE THERE ARE MANY OTHER WAYS THAT THOSE FUNDS COULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN TO THE NECESSA, TO THE NECESSARY PUBLIC SERVICES THAT THIS COMMUNITY NEEDS, THE PUBLIC LIBRARY BEING ONE OF THEM.

IT'S CLEAR THAT YOU ALL DO NOT VALUE OR CARE AT ALL ABOUT THE BEST INTERESTS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS SOME KIND OF GAME TO YOU.

IT'S CLEAR THAT THIS IS INCONSEQUENTIAL TO YOU BY THE WAY.

YOU LAUGH, BY THE BOOKS YOU GIVE YOUR CONSTITUENTS.

YOU ALL ARE SUPPOSED TO SERVE US AND YOU HAVE FAILED TO DO SO.

THANK YOU, CHERYL.

NEXT UP IS AMY RATLIFF.

I JUST HAVE TO SAY, I'LL BE REAL QUICK.

I'M A BIT NERVOUS.

THIS IS MY FIRST TIME SPEAKING AT A BOARD SUPERVISOR'S MEETING.

MY NAME IS AMY IFF.

I'M FROM HAPPY CREEK.

I WANNA BEGIN WITH A READING FROM THE HANDMAID'S TALE.

A CHAIR, A TABLE, A LAMP ABOVE ON THE WHITE CEILING, A RELIEF ORNAMENT IN THE SHAPE OF A WREATH.

AND IN THE CENTER OF IT, A BLANK SPACE BLASTED OVER LIKE THE PLACE IN A FACE WHERE THE EYE HAS BEEN TAKEN OUT.

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A CHANDELIER ONCE THEY REMOVED ANYTHING, YOU COULD TIE A ROPE TO THE BOARD.

FOREST CONTINUOUSLY HUNG THEMSELVES ON THE SAME ROPE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN EXPECTING DIFFERENT RESULTS.

THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF INSANITY.

WE ARE NOT GOING ANYWHERE.

GIVE THE FUNDING BACK TO THE LIBRARY.

WE ARE A STRONG AND MIGHTY COMMUNITY WHO SUPPORTS THE LIBRARY, WHO LOVES THE LIBRARY, WHO CARES FOR THE LIBRARY.

AND IN THE WORDS OF THE HUNGER, HUNGER GAMES, MAY THE ODDS FOREVER BE AN OUR FAVOR.

UM, NEXT UP IS BETHANY O'NEILL.

UM, IF SHE'S NOT HERE, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK? UM, SIR, YOU'VE ALREADY SPOKEN ONCE DURING THE, UH, UH, COMMENT PERIOD, MR. MR. JEN SPEAK FIRST PUBLIC HEARING.

IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH, WHICH IS I SEEN OTHER PEOPLE SPEAK FOR .

NO.

UH, I'LL CLARIFY THAT.

PUBLIC HEARINGS WHEN WE HAVE AN ISSUE THAT COMES UP THAT THEY CAN GET UP AND SPEAK, BUT, UH, YOU CAN ONLY SPEAK ONCE DURING THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH IS BEFORE AND AFTER FAIR.

SO THE, UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK GOING ONCE? YES MA'AM.

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BUT I LOVE OUR LIBRARY AND I'M REALLY DISGUSTED THAT YOU'RE NOT FUNDING IT.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.

WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

SPEAK REBECCA TIES SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING PREPARED.

I THOUGHT ALL DAY I SHOULD PREPARE SOMETHING TO SAY TO THE BOARD MEMBERS TONIGHT.

BUT I KNEW I HAD A STRONG OTHER STRONG PEOPLE HERE AND SITTING HERE WATCHING THE LAUGHTER, THE SMIRKS, THE HOLIER THAN THOU EXPRESSIONS ON A LOT OF YOUR FACES, ESPECIALLY YOU, MS. COOK.

I KNEW YOU FOR A WHILE WHEN YOU WERE RUNNING FOR OFFICE AND WE WERE AT EARLY VOTING EVERY DAY AND YOUR LITTLE DOG AND MY LITTLE DOG JUST HAD KIND OF A RELATIONSHIP.

AND I THOUGHT, WELL, I DIDN'T BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT IN MY DISTRICT.

I THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT HER AGENDA IS, BUT SHE SEEMS LIKE A LOVELY PERSON.

AND THEN BOY WAS I FOOLED.

I USED TO THINK I WAS A GOOD JUDGE OF CHARACTER, BUT OBVIOUSLY I'M NOT.

GO AHEAD AND LAUGH AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT KICKING CANS DOWN THE ROAD.

BOY, YOU, YOU DON'T KNOW THE WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SAY ABOUT THAT, ABOUT YOU, BUT I RAN INTO YOU, UH, I THINK HERE ONE DAY.

AND, UH, I SAID, YOU KNOW, VICKI, I DON'T THINK I CAN TALK TO YOU.

OH, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CLOSE DOWN THE LIBRARY.

YOUR WORDS EXACTLY.

WHAT A LIAR TO MY FACE.

YOU SAID THAT WE'RE NOT TRYING TO CLOSE AND BEHIND EVERYONE'S BACK.

YOU'RE, YOU'VE APPOINTED YOURSELF TO BE, UH, A LEADER OF NOTHING.

ARE YOU PROUD OF YOURSELF? WELL, I, I, I'M SORRY I EVER HAD ANY KIND OF CONNECTION WITH YOU AND I'M GOING TO BE VERY CAREFUL ABOUT WHO I TRUST FROM NOW ON.

LOOK AT YOU SMILING, AREN'T YOU, DARLING? WELL, AND I ALSO AGREE WITH WHAT SOMEONE SAID, THE PEOPLE WHO, THE, THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE PEOPLE WHO THINK THIS GUY IS GOOD BOY.

I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT HIS AGENDA IS GOING TO BE WHEN HE GETS HERE.

DATA CENTERS.

WE JUST EX, EXCUSE ME.

OH, PLEASE.

BUT I, I'M SO OVERWHELMED WITH WHAT'S GOING ON IN OUR COUNTRY AND AND TO SEE IT COME DOWN TO OUR LITTLE COMMUNITY, IT, IT, IT'S UNBELIEVABLE.

WE HAVE A FASCIST IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

WE HAVE A PEDOPHILE IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

AND I LOOK AT YOU PEOPLE PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

EXCUSE ME, PLEASE.

I'M SORRY.

PLEASE ADDRESS THE BOARD, NOT THE CRAFT.

IT, IT'S, IT'S, UH, ANYWAY, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MY PEOPLE AND I AM 16 SECONDS LEFT.

WELL, I BETTER STOP BECAUSE I AM SO FULL OF HATE AND I'M NOT A HATE PERSON AND I DON'T LIKE FEELING THIS, I DON'T LIKE FEELING THIS FOR OUR, UM, OFFICE.

WELL, HECK, YOU GUYS ARE JUST AWFUL.

SHAME, SHAME, SHAME.

SMILING.

YOU'RE DISGUSTING.

DO I, DO I HAVE ANYBODY, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK GOING ONCE? YES MA'AM.

I'M VALERIE.

AND I JUST WANT TO QUICKLY ADDRESS YOU GUYS.

WHERE, WHERE, WHERE ARE YOU FROM MA'AM? FROM FRONT ROYAL? NO.

WHICH DO, DO YOU KNOW WHICH DISTRICT I'M FROM? FRONT ROYAL.