[I. Call to Order]
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COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO ORDER.
OUR FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE AND REMOVE YOUR HATS.
I PLEDGE ALL ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[III. Adoption of the Agenda]
ITEM IS ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENT.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes]
NEXT IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF AUGUST 13TH, 2025.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
'CAUSE HE WAS NOT HERE LAST MONTH.
[V. Public Presentations]
OUR NEXT ITEM, PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO THE PUBLIC GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND THAT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND TELL US.
WE'LL MOVE INTO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND JUST, JUST DOING A COUNT OF THEM.
[VI.A. R2025-03-01 - Rezoning from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (I) - Tax Map #12------- -6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and a Portion of 4--------45B - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone tax map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and a portion of 4--------45B from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (I). - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ONE.R 20 25 0 3 0 1 REZONING FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COM AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL TAX MAP 12 SIX F FOUR THROUGH 43 A FOUR THROUGH 44 B AND A PORTION OF FOUR THROUGH 45.
REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE TAX MAP 12 SIX F FOUR TO 43 A 4 44 B AND A PORTION OF FOUR TO 45 B FROM AGRICULTURAL TO COMMERCIAL AGRICULTURE AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
MR LENS, HE'S LOOKING FOR YOU OVER THERE.
UH, SO YEAH, THIS ITEM WAS PRESENTED AT THE THE LAST, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING FOR PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLANNING COMMISSION ELECTED TO HOLD THE, UH, CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THIS MEETING TO GIVE THE APPLICANT THE OPPORTUNITY TO AMEND THEIR PROFFER STATEMENT BASED ON COUNTY ATTORNEY AND COUNTY STAFF.
UM, SO WE DID RECEIVE AN AMENDED, UH, VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT AND, UM, FOR ADDITIONAL CONTEXT, WE DID RECEIVE AN EMAIL FROM THE APPLICANT'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE INDICATING THAT IN LIEU OF PROFFERING TRAFFIC RELATED IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED IN THE CROOKED RUN ASSEMBLAGE TIA AND AGREED WITH BY VDOT, THEY WOULD PREFER TO WORK THROUGH THE TRAFFIC IMPROVEMENTS WITH VDOT DURING THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PHASE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
AND I DID INCLUDE THAT EMAIL CORRESPONDENCE IN THE MEETING PACKET.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
JASON PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE THIS HERE AS WELL.
ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD, SIR? SO, UH, NICHOLAS CUMMINGS HERE WITH WALSH COLUCCI ON BEHALF OF THE APP.
WE DO APOLOGIZE MY FIRST TIME HERE.
UM, SO YOU'VE RECEIVED A BRIEFING FROM STAFF ON THIS MATTER IN THE PAST.
I DON'T WANNA BELABOR, UH, THE DETAILS OF IT.
UM, WE DO HAVE OUR PRESENTATION UP HERE.
I KNOW THAT THE SCREEN ISN'T WORKING, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO WE'RE GONNA DO THIS A LITTLE BIT ACAPELLA WITH, UH, THE SHEETS THAT YOU HAVE PRINTED IN FRONT OF YOU, UH, BRIEFLY.
I KNOW YOU PROBABLY HEARD THIS, UH, AT YOUR LAST MEETING, BUT THE PROPOSAL IS TO REZONE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
IT'S ABOUT 28.2 ACRES AN ASSEMBLAGE LOCATED ON THE WEST SIDE OF WINCHESTER ROAD EAST OF CROOKED RUN.
UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, INDUSTRIAL, UH, WAREHOUSE BUILDING.
WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW, UH, FOR A BUILDING OVER 50,000 SQUARE FEET, UH, IN THE HC OVERLAY DISTRICT.
ALL OF THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMP PLAN AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, STAFF HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE OF THE APPLICATION.
UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE PLANS IN OUR SLIDES.
I'M SURE THAT YOU'VE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEM AT SOME POINT, MAYBE, AND MAYBE EVEN LAST TIME YOU GUYS WENT OVER THESE IN MORE DETAIL.
IT'S LARGELY VACANT LAND RIGHT NOW.
THERE'S SOME DWELLING, SOME ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
I THINK THERE'S A CHICKEN COOP ON THE PROPERTY, SOME VACANT HOMES, THINGS LIKE THAT.
IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN THE REZONING.
IT'S THAT LITTLE PARCEL AT THE CORNER, BOTTOM LEFT HAND OF THE PLAN PAGE.
THAT WOULD LIKELY BE SOME SORT OF COMPLIMENTARY COMMERCIAL USE.
MAYBE A FILLING STATION, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, THERE IS A FLOOD ZONE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE.
I THINK IT'S THE LEFT HAND SIDE
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OF THE PLAN PAGE.YOU CAN SEE THAT FROM THE PLANS.
UM, YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED BUILDING, THE ASSOCIATED PARKING, THE SUBSTANTIAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREA.
UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THE FLOOD ZONE NOT BEING TOUCHED BY THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT.
WE HAVE AMPLE SPACE FOR EMPLOYEE, FOR TRUCK PARKING.
THINKING AHEAD ON ALL OF THAT.
UM, CERTAINLY SUFFICIENT FLEXIBILITY BUILT IN HERE TO ACCOMMODATE WHATEVER THE ACTUAL END USER, UH, WOULD BE.
AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE PROPOSING THIS AS, YOU KNOW, INDUSTRIAL, UH, YOU KNOW, WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
UM, CERTAINLY THE ZONING DISTRICT ITSELF WOULD ALLOW A COUPLE OTHER USES.
AND IF WE CAN FIND A USER FOR THAT, WE WOULD BE THRILLED.
RIGHT? SO WE'RE GONNA HOPEFULLY GET THIS APPROVED, UH, YOU KNOW, MOVE TOWARDS SITE PLAN ONCE WE HAVE MAYBE AN END USER IN MIND.
UH, BUT IT HELPS OBVIOUSLY TO HAVE THIS APPROVED AHEAD OF TIME SO THAT WE CAN GO OUT AND FIND AN INVESTOR WHO WANTS TO BUILD SOMETHING HERE AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, HIRE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE AND BRING SOME, UH, ECONOMIC ACTIVITY AND SOME INVESTMENT TO THE COUNTY.
UM, THE SITE IS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE REGIONAL JAIL.
UH, WE WERE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM TO GET WATER ACCESS.
I THINK WE NEEDED, UH, EASEMENTS FROM THEM TO CROSS THEIR PROPERTY AND GET ACCESS.
THEY WERE WONDERFUL TO WORK WITH.
UM, THE ONE REMAINING CHALLENGE, UM, AND I'LL SAY THAT WARREN DOWNEY HAS BEEN FANTASTIC ON THIS APPLICATION.
STAFF HAS BEEN SUPPORTIVE THROUGHOUT AND EASY TO WORK WITH.
AND I CAN'T EXPRESS HOW HAPPY I AM WITH THAT ENTIRE EXPERIENCE AS SOMEONE COMING, YOU KNOW, WHO DOESN'T PRACTICE HERE ALL THE TIME, TO COME IN WITH AN INVESTOR AND BE, YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY GREET WITH OPEN ARMS HAS BEEN REALLY GREAT AND THE RIGHT THING.
UM, YOU KNOW, IN FRONT ROYAL WE'VE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF, UM, I DON'T WANNA SAY TROUBLE, BUT WE'VE BEEN BACK AND FORTH IN THE WATER APPLICATION.
THEY CONTROL, YOU KNOW, WATER CONNECTION TO THIS OVERLAY DISTRICT.
AND SO THEY HAD SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE POTENTIAL USE.
BUT A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION TOO, JUST ABOUT WHERE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS WITH THIS, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A GDP, RIGHT? YOU'RE SEEING IT, IT'S A BOX.
IT SHOWS SQUARE FOOTAGE, IT SHOWS, YOU KNOW, WHERE PARKING WOULD BE LOCATED, KIND OF HOW THE SITE WOULD BE LAID OUT ONCE IT ACTUALLY WERE TO BE DEVELOPED.
THEY'RE USED TO SEEING WATER APPLICATIONS AT TIME OF SITE PLAN.
UM, SO WE DIDN'T KNOW HOW MANY TOILETS AND THINGS WE'D HAVE.
WE HAVE A VERY GENERAL ESTIMATE FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WATER USAGE AND WE KEPT IT HIGH BECAUSE WE JUST DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT I THINK WE'VE WORKED THAT WE HAD A GOOD WORK SESSION ON MONDAY.
I WAS THERE, UM, JUST UP THE STREET AT TOWN HALL TO, UM, OBSERVE THAT ONE.
AND I THINK THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S OUR PRESENTATION.
WE ASK AGAIN FOR YOUR POSITIVE CONSIDERATION.
I THINK WE, THE STAFF SPOKE WELL TO THE TRAFFIC COMMENTS.
I DID CONFER WITH OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER IN ADVANCE OF THIS TO PUT EVEN MORE COLOR ON IT TO KNOW THE TIA, UH, RECOMMENDS, UH, SOUTH PAN AND NORTHBOUND TURNING LANE, WHICH I THINK WERE THE CONCERNS.
UM, VDOT WILL NOT GIVE US AN ENTRANCE PERMIT WITHOUT A TURN LANE OR A SIMILAR FUNCTION THAT IS GONNA MAKE IT SAFE.
SO OUR PREFERENCE IS JUST BECAUSE IT'S EASIER TO JUST LET VDOT CONTROL THAT.
IF THERE IS A STRONG DESIRE FROM THIS COMMISSION FOR A PROFFER ON THAT, WE'LL TAKE THAT BACK.
AND I DON'T NECESSARILY EXPECT THAT WOULD BE A PROBLEM.
IT IS SIMPLY, I WOULD SAY IN MY EXPERIENCE, BEST PRACTICE FOR ME JUST TO AVOID A PROFFER IF I CAN SO THAT WE HAVE FLEXIBILITY, OBVIOUSLY IN THIS SITUATION, AN ENTRANCE, PROBABLY THE WAY TO MAKE IT SAFE IS THAT TURN LANE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING ELSE, BUT I'M ALSO NOT A TRAFFIC ENGINEER, SO I PREFER TO LEAVE IT TO SITE PLAN.
UM, CERTAINLY YOU WILL SEE SOME FEATURE LIKE THAT TO MAKE IT SAFE TO ENTER THIS SITE ONCE IT'S DEVELOPED.
SO WITH THAT HERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, I HAVE SOME REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE CLIENT HERE TOO.
WHICH IS ITSELF AN ENGINEERING FIRM, SO THEY DID SOME OF THIS WORK THEMSELVES.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ALLISON? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THE PAST MULTI HEAD THOUGH SOME CURRENT CONCERNS ABOUT A LEFT HAND TURNING LANE.
IF YOU WERE HEADING NORTH, ACTUALLY BLOATED UP ON THE GSI, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ALREADY ONE THERE.
UH, PUT IN THE ORIGINAL SITE PLAN, I DIDN'T SEE IT ALL AND I HAD SOME BECAUSE IT WASN'T LISTED ON THE THING, BUT THEN I DON'T BELIEVE THEY NEED TO ADD IT IF IT ALREADY EXISTS.
THE ONLY CHALLENGE IS TRUCKS ARE GOING 55, 60, 65 MILES AN HOUR AT THAT POINT.
IF THEY MAKE FAIR GROUND STOP, UH, AND THEY'RE COMING DOWNHILL THERE, AND NOW YOU'VE GOT SOMEBODY MAKING A LEFT, UH, COMING ACROSS, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO GET OUTTA THE WAY EITHER WAY, WHICH MEANS WE'RE GONNA HAVE ACCIDENT.
SO IF I ADD, BUT THEY CERTAIN IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY NEED TO UPGRADE IT, WHICH I'M CERTAIN VDOT WOULD DO, WE WOULD REQUIRE BEFORE, BUT THE PERMIT WOULD BE ISSUED.
YEAH, THEY UH, WHEN I READ THROUGH THE
BUT WHEN I FIRST LOOKED AT IT, I WAS LIKE, IT'S LEFTHAND TURN LANE THERE, BUT HOW OFTEN DO I TURN LEFT IN FRONT OF THE JAIL? THAT WAS TURN THE, THAT WAS MY FAULT FOR NOT, UH, OBVIOUSLY THEIR SITE PLAN DIDN'T SHOW IT, BUT THEY'RE NOT BUILDING IT.
SO THAT WAS, UH, IT WAS KIND OF A BOO BOOO ON MY PART.
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RIGHT.I REMEMBER ONE CONTENTIOUS MEETING, ONE I ITEM.
WE HAD ONE TIME WHERE THAT YEAH, V DOTS APPROVED IT, WE'RE READY TO GO.
AND THEN WHEN THEY GOT READY TO ACTUALLY DO IT, THEY CAME BACK WITH A WHOLE LAUNDRY LIST OF OTHER THINGS THAT MADE IT SO EXPENSIVE THEY PULLED THE PLUG ON IT.
THAT'S HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN ITSELF.
WELL, WOULD YOU READ THAT HERE? MM-HMM
THIS IS JUST FOR THE YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST, JUST COMMENTING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE I HAVE ON THE OTHER APPLICATION I, YEAH.
SO ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? I'LL DO A MOTION.
IF NOBODY SAID ANYTHING ELSE, PLEASE DO FINDING THAT THE REQUEST, EXCUSE ME, FINDING THAT THE REQUESTED RESIGN APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC ZONING PLANNING CASE WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST TO CHANGE ZONING CLASSIFICATION OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP PARCEL 43 A 44 B PORTION OF 45 B AND ON TAX MAP 12 AND PARCEL SIX F FROM AGRICULTURE AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALRIGHT, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
THEY'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PROBABLY ABOUT A MONTH.
[VI.B. CUP2025-03-01 - Building in Excess of 50,000 SF within the Highway Corridor Overlay District - Tax Map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and 4--------45B - A request for a conditional use permit for a building in excess of 50,000 square feet in size within the Highway Corridor Overlay District. The properties are located at 6560, 6644, 6720, and (0) Winchester Road and are identified on tax map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and 4--------45B. The properties are currently zoned Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) and are located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
ONE, CP 20 25 0 3 0 1 BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET WITHIN A HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT TAX MAP 12, LOT OF SIX F FOUR AND A 43 A 4 44 B AND 4 45 B REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 65 60 66 64, 67 20.
AND TO BE DETERMINED, WINCHESTER ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 SIX F 4 43 A, 4 44 B, AND 4 45 B PROPERTIES ARE CURRENTLY ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL AND LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
SO THIS ITEM WAS ALSO ON THE AGENDA LAST MONTH.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION PASSED A MOTION TO DELAY THE CLOSING OF THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL THIS MONTH TO KEEP IT IN LINE WITH THE PREVIOUS ITEM, THE REZONING THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH IT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.
AND, UH, JUST AS A REMINDER, I'LL READ THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A FORMAL SITE PLAN BUILDING ELEVATIONS AND EXTERIOR FINISHES, COLOR RENDERING SAMPLES TO THE COUNTY PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT.
NUMBER THREE, OFF STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN THE AMOUNT OF 2.0 SPACES PER WORKER ON THE MAIN SHIFT AS REQUIRED FOR A MANUFACTURING ESTABLISHMENT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 15.
NUMBER FOUR, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT SET FORTH UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 29.1.
AND NUMBER FIVE, THE TOTAL DEVELOPED AREA OF THE PROPERTY SHALL NOT EXCEED 220,000 SQUARE FEET.
THE, THE APPLICANT'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
IF YOU HAVE COMMENTS AGAIN, SIR.
NOTHING REALLY TO ADD, OBVIOUSLY TO THE PREVIOUS SUMMATION.
THE CUP IS OF COURSE, OKAY, YOU KNOW, NECESSARY HERE.
AND THE CONDITIONS ARE VERY STANDARD AND QUITE FRANKLY SIMILAR TO THOSE WE SEE EVERYWHERE.
THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I GOT, I GOT A COUPLE ISSUES HERE.
UH, TWO PARKING SPACES PER EMPLOYEE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A HUGE LOT THERE.
YOU'RE GONNA HAVE MORE THAN TWO PEOPLE WORKING HERE AND I THINK THAT'S EXCESSIVE.
IF YOU HAVE A TRUE WAREHOUSE THERE, YOU COULD HAVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE WORKING IN THAT SOMETHING, THAT SPACE AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO PUT 200 PARKING SPACES.
I DON'T THINK THEY GOT ENOUGH ROOM TO PUT 200 PARKING SPACES AND TO HAVE SEMI PARKING.
UH, SO FOR THIS, UM, THERE IS ACTUALLY NOT A SPECIFIED, UM, YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN THE OFF STREET PARKING TABLE AT THE TABLE WITH LISTED USES AND NUMBER OF, UH, SPACES REQUIRED.
AND SO THERE IS ACTUALLY NOT SOMETHING LISTED FOR WAREHOUSING DISTRIBUTION FACILITY.
IT'S ALWAYS BEEN EQUATED TO MANUFACTURING ESTABLISHMENT.
SO THAT IS DIRECTLY WHAT IS REQUIRED FOR A MANUFACTURING ESTABLISHMENT.
AND IT WOULD BE REQUIRED IF THEY ELECT TO GO WITH MANUFACTURING REGARDLESS, UNLESS THERE WAS A VARIANCE.
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I'VE SEEN THAT REQUIREMENT FOR A TOWNHOUSE TOO, AND IT MAKES SENSE THERE.WELL, YOU NEED TO FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE, IF IT IS, IF IT WOULD TURN INTO SOME KIND OF LIKE MANUFACTURING, IT COULD BE A SHIFT CHANGE BECAUSE YOU NEED DOUBLE WHAT, WHAT'S THERE.
YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S TWO SHIFTS AND ONE COMES IN AND ONE GOES OUT, YOU KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA LEAVE AND CLOSE THE BUILDING FOR A HALF HOUR AND THEN BRING THE WELL THAT'S, THAT'S TRUE.
KNOW IF YOU'RE RUNNING IT IS A 24 HOUR OPERATION.
YEAH, BUT THAT'S, I DIDN'T LOOK AT THE 200 OR HOW MANY PARKING PLACES ARE AVAILABLE.
WELL, IT'S TIGHT, TIGHT AVAIL.
THE SPACE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO DEVELOP IS, IS SMALL WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND.
I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHAT IS THE, THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF VARIANCE HERE IN HERE DEPENDING ON WHAT THE ACTUAL END USER YEAH, MM-HMM
BUT IS THAT SOMETHING THAT AT WHEN THEY FINALIZE THEIR SITE PLAN, WHEN THEY HAVE A CLIENT LI TENANT, THAT THAT CAN BE ADJUSTED BASED ON THE OPERATION VERSUS LOCK 'EM INTO A TWO SPACE RIGHT NOW? YEAH.
IF THEY WERE TO GO WITH A MANUFACTURING ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE, THE PRINCIPAL USE, THAT IS WHAT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN AND INSTALLED.
UH, IN ORDER TO, BUT IF IT'S A WAREHOUSE CLOSE OUT, YEAH.
UH, IF YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LOCK THEM INTO THAT, UM, YOU COULD STRIKE THE CONDITION.
YEAH, THEY COULD ALWAYS, THEY COULD ALWAYS COME BACK FOR A VARIANCE AND THEY COULD ALSO COME BACK AND MODIFY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO MODIFY THE CONDITION AS WELL.
I, I'D RATHER HAVE TOO MUCH PARKING.
FROM A SAFETY STANDPOINT, I TEND TO AGREE.
WELL, YEAH, I MEAN LOOK, WE, WE LOVE FLEXIBILITY.
THE MORE THAT CAN BE PROVIDED IS GREAT.
IF, UM, YOU ALL FEEL IT'S APPROPRIATE TO, UH, RECOMMEND STRIKING THAT CONDITION.
IT COULD HELP IN SORT OF FINAL NEGOTIATIONS ON WHAT THESE ARE GOING UP TO THE BOARD.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THERE'S AN ORDINANCE REQUIREMENT TOO FOR MANUFACTURING THAT WOULD ALSO APPLY TO WAREHOUSING.
SO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE PLANNING FOR HERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING LABELED ON THIS PLAN.
IT IS OBVIOUSLY SPECULATIVE RIGHT NOW, SO THERE'S SPACE TO DEVOTED TO IT.
WE COULD GO FOR VARIANCE IF WE NEEDED ONE OR THOUGHT ONE MADE SENSE.
UM, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S REGULARLY GRANTED AROUND HERE FOR GOOD REASON, UM, AGAIN, FLEXIBILITY'S GREAT.
WE'RE OKAY WITH IT IF WE HAVE TO BE.
YEAH, I KINDA LOOK AT THE THING OF IT IS EASIER TO GIVE YOU LESS PARKING SPACES AND TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE.
IF THEY'RE IN THERE AND THEN THEY DON'T NEED THEM, WE CAN ALWAYS RIGHT, RIGHT.
WE COULD ALWAYS BE WAVE AT SOME POINT, BUT I JUST, CONVENIENCE AND SAFETY, I, UM, I'M A LITTLE DISAPPOINTED IN OUR HOSPITAL.
UM, THEY DIDN'T PUT ENOUGH IN.
AND NOW HOW YOU GOING? MM-HMM
GET 'EM TO PUT ME SOME PARKING IN UP THERE.
SO I I WOULD UH, I WOULD LEAVE IT IN THE DESIGN, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE, UH, ORDINANCE.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAY, WHEN THEY GET A FINAL USE AND GET A FIRE, YOU'LL GET ON SITE PLAN YOU WHEN THEY GET A FINAL.
SORRY, DID YOU SAY YOU WOULDN'T GET A FINAL UNTIL THE SITE PLAN'S DONE? I I SAY YOU NO.
WHEN YOU GET A TRUE END USER THAT YOU'LL GET A FINAL SITE PLAN FOR YOUR THAT'S CORRECT.
AND THE SITE PLAN, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS MIGHT APPLY DEPENDING ON THE USE.
SO IT COULD BE MODIFIED AT THAT POINT.
ONCE IT'S IN THE CUP CONDITIONS MODIFYING, IT WOULD REQUIRE BRINGING BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BOARD.
AND TO YOUR POINT, UNFORTUNATELY THE HOSPITAL WAS THE TOWN, IT WASN'T US.
I KNOW, BUT IT
A LITTLE MORE NORMAL PARKING THAN MINE.
AND THE OTHER THING IS, UH, THE TREE SAFE, OR NOT THE TREE SAFE, BUT THE, UH, CLEARING, YOU'RE TAKING IT ALMOST DOWN TO CROOKED RUN.
AND IF YOU, AND THOSE ARE STEEP RAVINES, SOME PE IT'S THE, UH, THIRD MY QUESTION IS WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO CLEAR OUT ALL THAT LUMBER THAT'S, OR BRUSH WHATEVER IT IS THAT'S HOLDING THE SOIL NOW? BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANYTHING TO GROW ON EITHER ONE OF THOSE RAVINES.
WE ALREADY GOT A SEDIMENT PROBLEM ON CROOKED RUN.
SO THOSE ARE, UH, GREAT QUESTIONS PROBABLY FOR SOME OF THE FOLKS THAT ARE BROUGHT WITH ME WHO ARE BOTH THE, UH, CLIENTS BUT ALSO ENGINEERS BY TRAINING AND HAVE LOOKED AT THIS.
I'LL SAY THAT AT THE OUTSET, YOU KNOW, IT'S A SPECULATIVE PLAN.
AND SO THE LIMITS OF CLEARING AND GRADING ARE CERTAINLY VERY, UM, GENERAL RIGHT NOW.
AND, UH, ONCE WE'RE IN THERE, I WOULD THINK THAT ESPECIALLY AT SITE PLAN, WE'D
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START TO THINK LIKE TREE BY TREE PLAY BY PLAN THERE.IT WOULD BE A LOT LESS EXPENSIVE.
I'LL JUST, HE STILL HAD THE FORM, MA'AM.
BATON, ARE YOU THROUGH? YEAH, HE GAVE IT TO ME.
YEAH, I'M PASSING THE BATON TO MY CLIENT HERE.
I AM DEJA BUR I AM WITH THE ENGINEERING GROUP AND ALSO REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT.
AND WE ALSO REQUEST A NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH, MY ADDRESS IS 2 0 5 1 TWIN SIX LANE IN DUMP BREEZE, VIRGINIA.
SO, UM, I THINK WHAT NICK MENTIONED THAT THIS IS ALL SPECULATIVE AND I BELIEVE THE LIMBS OF CLEARING ARE SHOWN SO DRAMATICALLY JUST AS A REPRESENTATION OF THE OUTFALL.
SO WE DON'T INTEND TO CLEAR THAT WHOLE AREA.
WE APPRECIATE THAT IT'S WELL FORESTED AND WE WANNA PRESERVE AS MUCH OF THAT AS POSSIBLE, BUT WE DO NEED TO HAVE AMPLE ROOM TO SHOW STORMWATER MANAGEMENT OUTFALL.
SO THAT'S, THAT WOULD EXPLAIN WHY IT KIND OF GOES SO DEEPLY INTO THE RAVINE.
AND WELL, YOU'RE PART OF THE ENGINEERING TEAM.
YOUR FIRST, UH, APPLICATION FOR WATER.
WHERE'D YOU COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER? THAT IS A VERY GOOD QUESTION.
I'M A PLANNER, NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT I WILL SAY THAT WE HAD TO PICK A NUMBER AND SO WE CHOSE, I THINK WHAT, 55,000? SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND SO THEN WHEN WE WENT BACK AND TALKED TO A, A FEW BUILDERS, UM, WE GOT SOME GUIDANCE FROM FRONT ROYAL ABOUT SIMILAR SIZED PROJECTS.
WE REFINED THAT TO I THINK 45.
AND WE EVEN THINK 45 IS ON THE HIGH SIDE.
SO
IN MY PREVIOUS CAREER YOU GUYS WERE MY, I WAS ONE OF YOUR CLIENTS AS WELL AS MARK WALTER LUCCI
I HOPE WE DID WELL BY YOU THEN.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE WILLING TO CAP YOUR USAGE AT THE, OR YOUR, UH, PERMIT AT THE CURRENT APPLICATION AMOUNT OF 45? YES SIR.
ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU, MA'AM.
UH, MEMBER, WE'RE RESTRICTING HIM TO THE APRIL 13TH APPLICA WATER, UH, TAP APPLICATION UTILITY CONNECTION.
IS THAT BETWEEN US OR BETWEEN THEM AND THE TOWN? WELL, NOT TO GO ABOVE THAT.
YEAH, BUT THAT AGAIN, IS THAT BETWEEN US OR THE TOWN? IT'S THE TOWN'S WATER, I THINK.
THE TOWN WELL, THAT'S BETWEEN, BUT THEY CAN'T GO BACK.
RAISE IT IF THE TOWN WOULD AGREE TO MORE WATER.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT WE GOT ANY SAY IN IT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPLYING WATER.
YEAH, I WAS, I WAS PROCESSING THE SAME ISSUE, WHICH IT'S, IT'S NOT A UTILITY THAT THE COUNTY OPERATES.
THE COUNTY, UH, IN IMPOSING CONDITIONS ON A CUP, OUR, OUR STANDARD IS THAT THEY NEED TO BE REASONABLE.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, WHAT I'M NOT QUITE SURE ON IS WHAT IS THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE WATER RESTRICTION AND KIND OF THE OTHER ASPECTS OF THEIR USE THAT ARE IN OUR CONTROL.
AND IF THEY USE MORE WATER, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THAT THERE WILL BE MORE IMPACT ON ONE OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES OR, UH, I'M, I'M NOT QUITE MR. UH, EYS.
I'M, I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT YOU WERE GETTING AT, BUT, UH, CLARIFY IF, IF THERE IS SOMETHING, THEIR FIRST APPLICATION, THAT'S THE EXACT NUMBER.
WHEN YOU GO ONLINE FOR, UH, A DATA CENTER FOR 220,000 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S THE EXACT, UH, NUMBER THAT IS USED FOR GENERAL DATA CENTER FOR THAT SIZE.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE? YES.
I I DO THINK A RESTRICTION ON, ON BUILDING SQUARE FOOTAGE COULD POTENTIALLY BE A, A CONDITION THAT YOU GUYS COULD, COULD PUT ON A CUP.
UH, WHAT I, WHAT I'M STRUGGLING WITH IS THE INDIRECT LINKAGE BETWEEN HOW LARGE A BUILDING IS AND HOW MUCH WATER THAT IT USES.
TO ME, THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, ARE NOT NECESSARILY VERY LINKED AND WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.
NOT HARD TO USE ANY, IT'S YEAH, EXACTLY.
AND ALSO TOO, TO FOLLOW UP A LITTLE MORE, YOU'RE THE FIRST I'VE HEARD TO USE THE WORDS DATA CENTER ON THIS.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE APPLYING FOR A DATA CENTER.
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AND THE FLOOR'S STILL OPEN FOR A MOTION.
MOVE THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR TAX MAP NUMBER 12 DASH SIX F FOUR DASH 4 3 8 4 B AND FOUR DASH FOUR FIVE B FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET WITH THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES A WILL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD ALSO.
[VI.C. Z2025-07-01 - Zoning Text Amendments for Building Service Establishment - An ordinance to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code (zoning ordinance) to amend §180-8C to add a new definition for building service establishment, to enact §180-21D(51) to make building service establishment permissible only upon issuance of a conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, and to enact §180-36.1 to add supplementary regulations for building service establishment. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
THIRD PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT, Z 20 25 0 7 0 1 ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE ZONING ORDINANCE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 20 1D 51 TO MAKE BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT PERMISSIBLE ONLY UPON ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
AND TO ENACT SUBSECTION 180 DASH 36.1 TO ADD SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE, UM, THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED.
UH, THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE BEING REQUESTED BY RAY RAMBLE OF RAMBLE ENTERPRISES, LLC, LOCAL HVAC AND PLUMBING COMPANY LOCATED ON COMMERCE AVENUE IN FRONT ROYAL.
THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING A SECONDARY SUPPORT FACILITY FOR HIS BUSINESS AT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD, PRIMARILY FOR THE STORAGE OF RESIDENTIAL HVAC AND PLUMBING SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS, AND FOR THE STAGING OF UNITS TO BE HAULED OFF SITE FOR INSTALLATIONS.
UPON REVIEW OF THIS REQUEST, STAFF IDENTIFIED HOME SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT SUCH AS EXTERMINATOR, PLUMBER, DECORATOR, OR APPLIANCE SERVICE AS CURRENT A CURRENTLY UNDEFINED LAND USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND BY A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
SINCE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE NECESSARY FOR HOME SLASH BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS TO BE PERMISSIBLE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT LAND USE BE PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES IN, IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT.
UH, THIS TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION WAS FILED CONCURRENTLY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AT 3 8 1 2 GUARD HILL ROAD.
AND THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND APPLICABILITY OF THIS DRAFTED ORDINANCE WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT ITEM.
THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT IS A FACILITY PROVIDING SERVICES FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS EXTERMINATOR, PLUMBER, DECORATOR, ELECTRICIAN, OR HEATING, UH, VENTILATION AND AIR CONDITIONING, OR OTHER APPLIANCE SERVICE AND RELATED EQUIPMENT STORAGE, STAGING AND REPAIRS.
THIS USE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN 180 DASH 36.1 OF THIS CHAPTER.
THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
ONLY STAFF BELIEVES MANY OF THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE OR MAY NOT BE AS NECESSARY IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO, TO INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT TO FRONT UPON AND HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD WITH VDOT APPROVAL FOR THE ENTRANCE AND ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENT, A RESTRICTION ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AND CUSTOMERS EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY APPROVED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR OPERATION PERMIT FOR A SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHICHEVER IS LESSER.
AND A RESTRICTION ON ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RETAIL SALES.
THE FULL SCREEN AND 25 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE IN THE STAGING AREA FROM PROPERTY LINES.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, THERE IS OFF STREET PARKING, LANDSCAPING, AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS IN A REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO BE SET BY CONDITION, PLACED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND RESTRICTION ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIRS, UNLESS SEPARATELY APPROVED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ALSO A RESTRICTION FOR AUTO SALVAGE AND USE OF THE PROPERTY AS A JUNKYARD.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
UM, THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
UH, ANYTHING YOU CAN THERE CARE TO ADD, SIR? SURE.
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AND THIS IS FOR THE REZONING, NOT THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.WELL, UM, MY NAME'S PAUL ROSNER.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF RAY BRAMBLE.
UH, WE FILED THE APPLICATION, UM, THE, I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW AT THIS POINT, BUT THE, UH, THE USE OF THE BUILDING THAT WE'RE, AND THE THE LAND THAT, THAT WE WANT TO DO IS, IS ESSENTIALLY JUST A STORAGE FACILITY FOR, UH, EQUIPMENT, TOOLS AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME MATERIALS, UH, FOR THE HVAC INSTALL DEPARTMENT.
UM, THERE'S NO MORE THAN TWO TO THREE PEOPLE THERE, UH, THROUGHOUT THE COURSE OF THE DAY.
UM, IN THE MORNINGS THERE, THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE THERE THAT COME TO PICK UP EQUIPMENT, BUT THEN THEY, THEY LEAVE, THEY DON'T ACTUALLY WORK INSIDE THE BUILDING.
UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURES.
EVERYTHING THAT IS THERE WOULD STAY THERE AS IS.
WE'RE JUST, UM, WANT TO USE IT AS AN EXTENSION OF OUR MAIN OFFICE IN FRONT ROW.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HE WOULDN'T SIGN UP TO SPEAK ALLISON.
YOU READY? UH, UH, HE'S GOT, WE GOT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I, OH, I DID HAVE SOME QUESTIONS AND, AND I THINK YOU ADDRESSED 'EM AND YOU OPENED UP, BUT, UH, ACTUALLY HAD SOMEONE CALL ME, NOT FOR THIS ONE IN PARTICULAR, BUT IN GENERAL, WHEN WE DO A TEXT AMENDMENT FOR THESE KIND OF THINGS, IT, IT, IT DOESN'T MAKE A BY RIGHT? IT STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH CDP PROCESS OR IS THAT A CONDITION THAT HAS TO BE PUT IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT FOR IT TO GO THROUGH THE CCP PROCESS? OR IS THAT JUST ANY TEXT AMENDMENT? SO IT DEPENDS ON HOW IT'S LISTED.
UH, OUR, WE HAVE A LISTING OF ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, AND EACH DISTRICT HAS ITS OWN SET OF REGULATIONS.
IT HAS A LIST OF USES THAT ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT ACCESSORY USES ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND THEN A SEPARATE LIST OF USES ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
THIS PARTICULAR TEXT AMENDMENT, UH, ONLY, UH, ADDS IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT AND ALLOWANCE FOR IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WILL BE REQUIRED FOR ANY OF THESE DEVELOPMENTS IN THE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO MOVE FORWARD.
BUT, BUT THIS WOULD ALLOW FOR BUYRIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL.
SO, SO THIS TEXT AMENDMENT IS JUST CHANGING THE CODE AND THEN DEPENDING WHERE THEY WANT TO PUT THE BUSINESS, IT COULD BE BUYRIGHT OR CONDITIONAL USE.
WELL, YOU KNOW, IT MAKES SENSE IF BY WRITING A COMMERCIAL.
YEAH, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T LIKE THAT.
BUT THAT, UH, BECAUSE OF THAT I JUST WANTED TO, IN OTHER WORDS, IF, UH, THIS, JUST MY OPINION, THE WAY I FEEL ABOUT IT, IT'S BEEN AN EXISTING BUILDING THERE.
I KNOW IT'S BEEN A BUSINESS THERE SINCE THE EIGHTIES, BECAUSE I REMEMBER IT WAS LIKE A SMALL ENGINE REPAIR.
I MEAN, WE USED OUR SERVICES BEFORE MM-HMM
AND, UH, IT'S BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL CHANGES, BUT IT'S ALWAYS BEEN, YOU KNOW, TAN SHOP.
I THINK YOU HAD A BIG LIST OF 'EM RAN OFF LAST TIME.
OH, IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT BUILDING A NEW BUILDING MM-HMM
THAT LOOKS COMMERCIAL IN THE AG DISTRICT.
WE'RE JUST USING, YOU KNOW, ALMOST IT IS JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE.
SO IT NEEDS A DIFFERENT CUP, BUT IT, IT'S STILL LIKE BUSINESS USE IN AN EXISTING BUILDING THAT'S BEEN THAT WAY FOR DECADES.
ALL SO IT'S, IT'S THIS TEXT AMENDMENT DOESN'T LIKE OPEN THE AG UP FOR APPLICATIONS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION AND COMMERCIAL BUILDINGS.
AND, UH, I FELT THAT WAY, BUT I JUST REAFFIRMED THAT WITH YOU A SECOND AGO.
WELL, YOU COULD GET APPLICATIONS, BUT YOU WOULDN'T BE OBLIGATED TO APPROVE THEM.
WELL THAT, SO SORRY, GO AHEAD BUDDY.
I, YOU KNOW, I, I'LL I'LL SAY I, I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S AN APPROPRIATE USE IN THE AG.
UM, BUT I DO APPRECIATE STAFF'S, UM, WORK TO, UM, I GUESS EXCLUDE RETAIL, UH, IN THE AG.
I, I DEFINITELY THINK THAT IS, UH, AN IMPROVEMENT.
UM, ONE OTHER COMMENT ON OFF STREET PARKING.
SO WE'RE REQUIRING FIVE SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET OF GROSS FLOOR AREA AND, UH, ONE SPACE PER EMPLOYEE, WHICH WOULD BE, UH, LIKE A COMMERCIAL SPACE.
UM, BUT IF WE'RE GONNA EXCLUDE, UH, RETAIL MAYBE LIKE TWO SPACES PER EMPLOYEE, MORE IN LINE WITH THE MANUFACTURING.
I, I, YOU KNOW, IF I DON'T, I DON'T WANT, IF WE ARE GONNA HAVE THIS IN THE AG, WHICH I DON'T WANT TO, BUT IF WE ARE, I DON'T WANT TO HAVE A WHOLE BIG MASSIVE PARKING LOT THAT THAT IS ONLY A EVER A QUARTER FULL.
I HAVEN'T BEEN UP OVER A LITTLE BIT OF PARKING IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING.
THERE'S A DECENT AMOUNT OF PARKING BEHIND THE BUILDING, SO.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THIS I'M NOW TALKING ABOUT JUST ZONING AND THE GENERAL, GENERAL GENERAL NOT SO MUCH, RIGHT.
WELL IT COULD ALWAYS BE A CONDITION ADDED AT ANY CP BUT IF WE'RE,
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IF WE'RE SETTING THIS AS, UH, WHERE ARE WE PUTTING IT? WELL, NOT IN SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION, SO I GUESS WE COULD YEAH, NO, FOR IN THE YA HE'S SAYING IF THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO HOUSE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW, WHY DO THEY NEED, THEY DON'T NEED THAT MUCH PARKING.THEY DON'T NEED FIVE SPACES PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET PLUS ONE FOR EVERY EMPLOYEE.
'CAUSE THERE'S NOBODY WHO'S GONNA BE COMING THERE OTHER THAN EMPLOYEES.
THIS ALSO APPLIES TO THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT TOO, SO YOU WANNA LEAVE THAT IN SO THAT, BUT THESE REGULATIONS ARE SPECIFIC FOR THE AD, SO THAT'S PART OF, IT'S SPECIFIC FOR THE AD.
SO THE COMMERCIAL, I BELIEVE WOULD STILL HAVE TO FALL INTO THE, THE RETAIL USE PARKING.
I'M FLIPPING BACK, UM, CO COUPLE OF COMMENTS JUST TO RESPOND IF THAT'S HELPFUL.
FIRST OF ALL, I, I THINK THE GENESIS OF THE FIVE PER THOUSAND, UH, THAT MAPS ONTO THE PARKING REQUIRED FOR OFFICE BUILDINGS.
SO WHEN THE CHANGE, WHEN THIS CHANGE IN THE, UH, TEXT AMENDMENT IN FRONT OF YOU MOVED AWAY FROM RETAIL, I, I, I THINK, UM, WE DIDN'T ADJUST THE PARKING DOWNWARDS.
AND, AND THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU DESIRE TO CHANGE WITH RESPECT TO THE PARKING REQUIREMENT IN 180 DASH 36.1 F UH, MY VIEW IS THAT IT APPLIES BOTH IN THE AG AND THE VILLAGE.
UM, SORRY, I'M NAVIGATE VILLAGE, VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL AND ALSO IN THE COMMERCIAL, IT APPLIES IN EACH OF THOSE DISTRICTS.
BECAUSE IF YOU GO OVER TO THE DEFAULT PARKING REGULATIONS THAT ARE IN 180 DASH 15 G OF THE COUNTY CODE, THERE ISN'T, THERE ISN'T, UH, A BUILDING SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT IN THAT LIST.
SO UNLESS IT, UNLESS IT FIT ONE OF THE OTHER CATEGORIES IN THAT LIST, WHICH I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT WOULD, WE, I I GUESS I I FELT LIKE IT FIT THE RETAIL, BUT NOT IF THEY'RE, IF IF YOU WERE IN THE COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, I I THINK IT'S THE SAME REQUIREMENT.
IT'S FIVE FOR A THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.
IS IS THE LIMITATION ON RETAIL EXCLUSIVE TO THE RESIDENTIAL HERE? UM, AND, AND D OF 180 DASH 36.1 D.
IF IT IS INDEED A BUILDING CATEGORIZED AS A BUILDING SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT, YOU DON'T GET, UM, CUSTOMER, UM, ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE OR RETAIL, EVEN IF IT'S IN COMMERCIAL, THEY WOULD NEED TO FIT SOME OTHER USE IN, IN THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.
UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WAS 180 36, 1 IS EXCLUSIVE TO THE AG.
SORRY, YOU UH, YOU'RE AHEAD OF ME.
IT TOOK ME A MINUTE TO GET UP TO SPEED, BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT.
RIGHT AT THE VERY BEGINNING, IT YEAH.
TO AG I WAS LOOKING DOWN IN THE NUMBER OF PARAGRAPHS.
SO, UM, YEAH, THE PARKING DOES ONLY APPLY TO THE AG AND, AND FRANKLY, I THINK YOU SHOULD ADJUST IT.
IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO MOVE FORWARD, I I WOULD PROPOSE THAT WE MAKE THAT TWO INSTEAD OF GO WITH THE MANUFACTURING TOO PER EMPLOYEE AT YOUR, I FORGET THE WORDING.
THE WHAT WOULD BE THE CODE SHIFT REFER TO, TO MATCH IT WITH, UH, THE PARKING.
WHAT WOULD WE MATCH IT WITH TO, I THINK HE HAD SUGGESTED THE MANUFACTURING, WHICH IS TWO PER WORKER ON MAIN SHIFT.
SO WE MAKE THE, SO IF WE, IF WE, UH, MAKE THE MOTION, IT WOULD BE TO AMEND THE PARKING TO, UH, COINCIDE WITH THE MANUFACTURING OR JUST TWO PER TWO PER YEAH.
IT WOULD SPECIFY IT TWO PER, YEAH.
TWO, TWO PER, UH, PERSON, TWO PER WORKER ON WE, WE WOULD MODIFY, WE WOULD MODIFY 180, 36, 1 F TO READ OFF, OFF STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED IN AN AMOUNT OF TWO SPACES PER EMPLOYEE AT, I FORGET THE WORDING.
WHY DON'T YOU MAKE THAT MOTION TO BE THAT YOU GOT ALL THAT? YEAH,
YEAH, I, I CAN MAKE A MOTION IF, UH, DOOR NUMBER ONE,
UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, FORWARD APPLICATION Z 2 0 2 5 0 7 0 1 ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT FOR BUILDING SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOR APPROVAL WITH, UH, MODIFICATION TO, UH, SECTION 180 36.
ONE ITEM F SHOULD READ OFF STREET PARKING SHALL
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BE PROVIDED IN THE AMOUNT OF TWO SPACES PER EMPLOYEE, UH, ON MAIN SHIFT.SECOND, ALL THOSE PAPERS PLEASE SAY, AYE A AYE.
OPPOSED NO AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD SUPERVISORS AND
[VI.D. CUP2025-07-06 - Building Service Establishment - 3812 Guard Hill Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a building service establishment. The property is located at 3812 Guard Hill Road and is identified on tax map 20 as lot 20. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
OUR NEXT AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING, CUP 20 25 0 7 0 6, BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP, 20 IS LOT 20, PROPERTY IS OWNED.AGRICULTURAL LOCATED NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 3 8 1 2 GUARD HILL ROAD.
THE APPLICANT, THE PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL HVAC AND PLUMBING COMPANY, WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A SECONDARY SUPPORT FACILITY FOR HIS BUSINESS IN TOWN FOR THE STORAGE OF RESIDENTIAL HVAC AND PLUMBING SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS, AND FOR THE STAGING OF UNITS TO BE HAULED OFF SITE FOR INSTALLATIONS.
THE APPLICANT HAS CURRENTLY SUBMITTED A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT APPLICATION, WHICH IF APPROVED, WILL ADD BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AS A LAND USE PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH A NEW DEFINITION IN SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS.
UM, JUST A LITTLE PROPERTY HISTORY THAT, UH, MR. HENRY DOVE INTO A LITTLE BIT.
UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY HAS HAD MULTIPLE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED SINCE 1980, UH, ONE IN 1980 FOR SALES SERVICE AND RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS EXPIRED, UH, WAREHOUSING AND ENCLOSED STORAGE IN 1988 WITH THE ENCLOSED STORAGE PORTION OF IT'S STILL ACTIVE.
UM, UH, ANOTHER CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN 1991 FOR A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE, WHICH WAS EXPIRED AND IN 1992 FOR SALES SERVICE AND RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT ALSO EXPIRED.
AND THEN IN, UH, 2002, THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION FOR AN ARTISAN AND CRAFTSMAN FACILITY, WHICH JUST WAS NEVER EXPIRED.
AND THEN FINALLY IN 2006, UH, ANOTHER, UH, COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WAS, UH, PUSHED THROUGH.
AND THAT IS ALSO ACTIVE PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY ROBERT AND VIVIAN LAKE, WHO CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A REPAIR GARAGE AND FOR ENCLOS ENCLOSED STORAGE.
UM, SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND, UH, READ THROUGH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
UH, CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE AGENCY REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ON SITE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AS DETERMINED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING OR THE OPERATION PERMIT ISSUED FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
S LESSER NUMBER THREE, ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RETAIL SALES SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, INCLUDING SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON INGRESS, EGRESS BUILDING LOCATIONS, OFF STREET PARKING, STORAGE, AND STAGING AREAS WITH SETBACK DISTANCES TO PROPERTY LINES LABELED SCREENING, LANDSCAPING, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, AND SIGNAGE PLANNING.
STAFF SHALL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF THOSE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
NUMBER FIVE, AREAS USED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE OR STAGING OF EQUIPMENT SHALL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW AND SHALL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET FROM ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES.
AND NUMBER SIX, THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT HAS A REPRESENTATIVE HERE IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING, HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED WITH ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.
ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, SIR? UM, I DON'T THINK SO.
I MEAN, IT'S PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
WE JUST WANNA HAVE A FEW PEOPLE THERE, STORE SOME EQUIPMENT, UM, USE IT TO, UH, LOAD UP OUR INSTALLED TRUCKS IN THE, IN THE MORNINGS.
UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THE APARTMENT ON UPSTAIRS, WE WOULD LIKE THAT TO REMAIN, UH, RESIDENTIAL APARTMENT.
UM, BUT NO, NO CHANGES TO THE, TO THE STRUCTURE OR THE PROPERTY AT ALL.
SO ANY QUESTIONS? THANK YOU SO MUCH.
IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, YOU WANNA SIGN UP TO SPEAK, UH, IF ANY QUESTIONS NEED TO BE ANSWERED, I'LL SPEAK.
SO IF ANYONE IN THE CARE TO SPEAK ANYHOW, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I, I, I WOULD SAY BASED ON THE HISTORY, THE LAKES HAVE BEEN PRETTY GOOD STEWARDS OF THE CEP PROCESS AND, AND COMPLIANCE ALL, AND IF ANYBODY'S GOT ANYTHING TO ADD, BUT IF NOT, I'LL GLADLY DO THE MOTION.
I'LL JUST SAY IT'S NOT MY PREFERENCE TO SEE THIS USE IN THE AG, BUT UH, THIS SEEMS LIKE THE PERFECT LOCATION FOR IT.
UM, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THIS SECTION OF CARD HILL DOESN'T REALLY FEEL AG, SO I, NOT AT ALL.
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YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT THIS WAS GOING TO BE USED FOR STORAGE FOR PLUMBING, HVAC, UH, WHAT DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT THE TRAFFIC IMPACT OF THE DELIVERY TRUCKS.
AND, AND YOU HAD SAID THAT, UM, EMPLOYEES WOULD BE COMING IN AND LOADING.
SO JUST OUTTA CURIOSITY, WHAT WHAT TYPE OF IMPACT WOULD THAT HAVE ON THE ROADWAY? UM, I, IT'S FAIRLY MINIMAL.
WE HAVE, UH, FIVE INSTALL TRUCKS.
UH, SO THEY WOULD COME THERE IN THE MORNING.
UH, WE DO HAVE, UH, ONE 7:00 AM UH, DELIVERY TRUCK THAT COMES FROM ONE OF OUR DISTRIBUTORS.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S AGAIN, PRETTY STRAIGHTFORWARD.
IT'LL BE THERE IN THE, THE, THE, UH, LEAD INSTALLER BRINGS THE INSTALL TRUCK THERE IN THE MORNING, PICKS UP THE EQUIPMENT AND THEIR HELPER, AND THEN THEY LEAVE AND THEN THEY DROP THE HELPER BACK OFF AGAIN TO GO HOME.
SO THE PARKING WOULD THEN ALSO BE TO INCLUDE THE HELPERS? SOME OF THEM, YEAH, SOME OF THAT, SOME, SOME OF THEM.
UH, THERE'S A COUPLE OF 'EM THAT PARK THERE, MAYBE TWO, UH, OCCASIONALLY.
AND, UH, THE REST PARK AT THE, UH, MAIN OFFICE IN, IN TOWN.
AND, AND THERE DOES SEEM TO BE PLENTY OF PARKING, UH, IN, IN THE, IN THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AND, AND IN THE FRONT FAR MORE THAN, UH, I I'VE ENCOUNTERED, BUT I BELIEVE IT WOULD MORE THAN ACCOUNT FOR THE, THE TWO PER EMPLOYEE.
AS A CASE OF POINT, WE DID GET COMMENTS FROM VDOT SAYING THAT THE PROPOSED USE WOULD HAVE NO INCREASE IN TRAFFIC COMPARED TO THE CURRENT USE AS A ENCLOSED STORAGE FACILITY OF CUSTOMERS COMING AND COMING IN TO GET THEIR, YOU KNOW, GET ACCESS STORAGE AND LEAVING AT ODD TIMES.
AND SO, UH, THEY'RE FINDING THAT IT WOULD ACTUALLY GENERATE LESS TRAFFIC THAN THE, THE MORE CUSTOMER CENTRIC USE.
PLEASE MOVE TO PLAN AND COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THEIR RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CUP 20 25 0 7 0 6 FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT'S IT FOR OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.
[VII.A. SP2024-08-01 - Preliminary Site Plan for Hyatt Studio - A request for final site plan approval for a hotel. Identified on tax map 12J as lot 2, the subject property is zoned Commercial (C) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
OUR NEXT ITEM IS NEW BUSINESS SP 24 0 8 0 1 PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR HYATT STUDIOS.REQUEST FOR A FINAL FINAL SITE PLAN.
APPROVAL FOR A HOTEL IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 12 J IS LOT TWO.
SUBJECT IS SUBJECT, PROPERTY IS ZONED AT COMMERCIAL IS LOCATED AT NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU.
ATTACHED IS THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN FOR HYATT STUDIO SUBMITTED ON BEHALF OF GREEN PEARL HOSPITALITY LLC, WITH AGENCY APPROVALS AND SUBSEQUENT PERMIT RELATED COMMENTS FROM VDOT BUILDING INSPECTIONS.
FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT IN RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.
THE SITE PLAN IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF A HOTEL IN THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 J IS LOT TWO, WHICH IS LOCATED ON HOSPITALITY DRIVE.
SUBJECT PROPERTY IS OWNED COMMERCIAL WHERE A HOTEL IS A LAND USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT.
THE DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROVED FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR ABU BUILDING HEIGHT IN EXCESS OF 40 FEET.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT, UH, ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DETERMINED THE PROPOSED SITE PLAN IS COMPLIANT WITH THE RELEVANT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE AND THAT THE NECESSARY AGENCY APPROVALS WITH AN EXCEPTION, UH, UH, TO FINAL APPROVAL FROM FROM UH, DEQ AS OF AUGUST 19TH, 2025.
THE APPLICANT HAS INDICATED THAT V-A-D-E-Q IS WITHHOLDING THEIR FINAL APPROVAL UNTIL FINAL APPROVAL HAS BEEN GRANTED BY COUNTY ZONING.
AND SO FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHOULD BE MADE CONTINGENT UPON FINAL APPROVAL FROM V-A-D-E-Q, UH, PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 64 A FIVE C FOUR.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL ACT ON ANY PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN WITHIN 60 DAYS AFTER IT HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY SUBMITTED FOR APPROVAL TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES NOT APPROVE THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL SET FORTH IN WRITING THE REASONS FOR SUCH DENIAL AND SHALL STATE WHAT CORRECTIONS OR MODIFICATIONS WILL PERMIT APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AFTER THE PLAN HAS BEEN MODIFIED.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION SHALL ACT ON THE PLAN THAT IT PREVIOUSLY DISAPPROVED WITHIN 45 DAYS.
UM, THE APPLICANT'S OR THE ENGINEER IS HERE THIS EVENING, UM, IN SURVEYOR.
UH, UH, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM OR ME.
ANYTHING YOU CARE TO ADD, SIR? IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE GLAD.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT THAT'S RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
PARDON ME? I'M THE HOA PRESIDENT OF THE, UH, HOA RIGHT BEHIND YOU.
AND WE'D LIKE TO INVITE YOU TO OUR ANNUAL MEETING
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ON OCTOBER 23RD AT 6:00 PM AT THE, AT THE DOUBLE TREE TO BRIEF THE COMMUNITY.IF YOU WISH TO COME, WE WE'D MEET AFTERWARDS.
ANYTHING ELSE? I DIDN'T REALLY FIND A SMOKING GUN.
I DIDN'T, I EITHER SPEND HOURS ON IT, BUT I DID EXCEPT FOR THE
ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING ELSE? FINDING THAT THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE MORIN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH SIX FOUR.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVE THE HYATT STUDIO SITE PLAN.
THIS APPROVAL SHALL BE CONTINGENT UPON FINAL APPROVAL FROM THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL EQUALITY.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[VIII. Consent Agenda]
IS CONSENT AGENDA AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
[IX. Commission Matters]
ITEM IS COMMISSION MEMBER MATTERS.WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING? NOTHING FOR ME, SCOTT.
ONLY THING I'VE GOT TO SAY IS REMEMBER TOMORROW'S NINE 11.
I WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS TIME,
UM, CHASE? YEAH, A COUPLE THINGS.
SO IT IS ACTUALLY A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS GOAL CURRENTLY TO EVALUATE THE, UH, PARTICULARLY FRONT SETBACK IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
AND SO, UM, I'VE BEEN INSTRUCTED TO START MAKING MOVES ON THAT.
AND, UM, UH, WE ARE LOOKING AT PROBABLY DOING A WORK SESSION NEXT MONTH.
UH, IF POSSIBLE, PROBABLY, PROBABLY PULL OFF SIX 30, MAYBE
UM, BUT I'D LIKE TO GET YOUR BRAINS, UH, THINKING ABOUT IT.
WE CURRENTLY REQUIRE 50 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE DISTRICT.
AND, UM, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT POTENTIALLY LOWERING THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, START THINKING ABOUT WHAT NUMBER MIGHT BE APPROPRIATE, UM, I, WE HAVE HAD 35 FEET FLOATED, UH, A FEW TIMES AND 40 AS WELL.
UM, SO JUST GETTING, GETTING THE THOUGHTS GOING ON THAT WE WILL PROBABLY HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE AGENDA NEXT MONTH.
ON THAT NOTE, I WILL ACTUALLY NOT BE HERE NEXT MONTH BECAUSE I WILL BE AT A TRAINING.
UH, SO KELLY WILL, UH, WILL HANDLE THAT WORK SESSION AND A FEW OF THESE ITEMS FOR ME.
AND ALSO ON THAT NOTE, I DO HAVE A COUPLE TEXT AMENDMENTS THAT WERE JUST AUTHORIZED FOR ADVERTISEMENT.
I WOULD ONLY ASK THAT YOU REVIEW THEM, UH, DURING THE MONTH, UH, A LITTLE BIT SINCE YOU'VE ALREADY, UH, HAVE ACCESS TO THE DRAFT ORDINANCES AND GET ME QUESTIONS AS AS SOON AS YOU CAN SO WE DON'T, UH, UH, OVERWHELM KELLY AT THE NEXT MEETING.
SO, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE GETTING THE QUESTIONS TO ME IF YOU HAVE ANY, UM, SO THAT I CAN HOPEFULLY HAVE THEM ADDRESSED BY THE TIME THIS GOES TO PUBLIC HEARING.
OH, WOULD, WOULD THEY ENTERTAIN WHILE WE'RE DOING SETBACKS? WOULD, UH, WOULD THEY, UH, WOULD THEY ENTERTAIN WELL OR SEPTIC SETBACKS AT THE SAME TIME? IT'S A DIFFERENT CHAPTER OF THE ORDINANCE, MAN.
I MEAN, WE DO HANDLE CHAPTER 1 79 AS WELL.
UM, WE HANDLE THE WELL AND SEPTIC APPEAL.
IT'S KIND OF A TOUGH ONE THOUGH.
UH, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT KIND OF LIKES OUR, WELL, FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD IT, IT, THERE'S A GOOD REASON TO HAVE THOSE SETBACKS EVEN FROM, YOU KNOW, THE STATE OFFICIALS.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, UH, I'VE OBVIOUSLY HEARD, UH, CALLS FOR IT TO BE LOWERED, EVEN CUT IN HALF POTENTIALLY OR ELIMINATED ENTIRELY FOR THE WELL TO WELL SETBACK.
UM, WELL, I WOULDN'T, I WOULDN'T AGREE TO ELIMINATE IT ENTIRELY EVEN BECAUSE
DO THEY CHANGE THAT RECENTLY? NO, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN UNDERWAY.
EVERYBODY THINKS IT'S 10, BUT IT, IT'S REALLY FIVE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, SO IT'S 10 APART, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT I DON'T TOUCH THAT UNLESS IT'S VARIANCE IS NEEDED, SO YEAH.
OH, IT IS A FEW INSTANCES WHERE, WELL, WE'RE DEVELOPING A LOT AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE 'CAUSE WE END UP CLEARING EVERY SQUARE INCH OF THE LOT BECAUSE THEY'LL PUT
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IT IN THE CAD FILE.SO THAT'S NOT, OH, WAIT A MINUTE.
WE CAN PUT THE WELL HERE AND THEN WE GOT A HUNDRED FEET TO HERE AND THEN THE HOUSE ENDS UP IN A TERRIBLE PLACE.
AND THEN THE, UH, I THINK THE ACTUAL ENVIRONMENTAL, BUT THIS HOUSE SETBACK THING WILL, WILL HELP A BUNCH ALL, YOU KNOW, BY CLOSE UP A LITTLE BIT ON SOME OF THESE STEEP LOTS.
UM, FIRE AND RESCUE CAN DRAG A HOSE 35 FEET AND THEY CAN, UH, CARRY A MAN 35 FEET.
THEY CAN 52, BUT WHEN YOU ADD THE OTHER SETBACKS IN, SOMETIMES WHEN YOU DO THE 50, YOU MESS UP THE SEPTIC LOCATION THAT'S LIKE MM-HMM
WELL, WE'LL JUST PUSH THE HOUSE BACK A HUNDRED AND WE'LL PUT THE SEPTIC IN THE FRONT WHERE IF WE COULD VARIANCE FOR THE HOUSE OR FOR THE SEPTIC.
SO IF WE COULD HOLD THE HOUSE A LITTLE CLOSER, BE A LITTLE LESS CLEAR AND MAYBE WE COULD KEEP THE SEPTIC KIND OF CLOSE BEHIND THE HOUSE.
AND STEERING BACK TO THE SBACK, UH, I DID FORGET TO MENTION THAT OUR, THE R TWO DISTRICT, EVEN THOUGH IT'S ONLY ONE STREET, IS TECHNICALLY BY STATEMENT OF INTENT, HIGHER DENSITY THAN R ONE.
SO WE WOULD CHANGE THAT ONE TOO TO MATCH IT.
WHATEVER WE CHANGE R ONE, UH, FOR THAT'S, UH, BESIDE THE POINT WOULDN'T AFFECT MUCH JUST ONE STREET.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU JUST WANNA DO A, A WORK SESSION TO KIND OF GET THE WHEELS TURN IN.
UM, YEAH, GET THE CONVERSATION STARTED SO WE CAN START TALKING TO THE BOARD AS FAR AS THE WELLS AND SEPTIC SYSTEM SETBACKS, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY BE PATIENT OR TALK WITH YOUR, UH, UH, BOARD MEMBER ABOUT, UH, UH, POTENTIALLY MAKING THAT A BOARD GOAL TO EVALUATE THAT AS WELL.
IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD BE HAPPY TO SPEARHEAD.
MAYBE WE'LL JUST PUT IT IN THE COMMENTS AND WHEN IT GOES UP, MAYBE THEY CAN HASH IT A LITTLE BIT.
UH, WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO GET A LIST OF PROPERTIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY EXISTING THAT HAVE SMALLER SETBACKS IN 50 BE HUNDRED, MAYBE THOUSAND? YOU'RE ASKING FOR NOT A, NOT A, A COMPREHENSIVE LIST.
LIKE A, A COUPLE THAT ARE AT 45, A COUPLE AT 40, 30.
YOU'RE, YOU'RE IN THE HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSAND.
WE HAD, WE HAD THREE WANTING TO GO UP ON THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS LAST MONTH, LAST WEEK.
I WAS THINKING THIS WAS SOMETHING EASY.
GIS COULD, UH, COULD SPIT OUT A REPORT.
I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE QUITE SO SIMPLE.
UH, 'CAUSE YOU'D HAVE TO MAKE THE INDIVIDUAL MEASUREMENTS AND THEN, UH, THOSE ARE ALL HAND DRAWN ANYWAY, SO WHO KNOWS IF THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS DRAWN RIGHT.
STARTING YOUR, NEVERMIND FROM THE RIGHT
SO, NO, ALSO JUST THE, THE MAIN COMPLICATING FACTOR IS THAT WARREN COUNTY IS OLD AND ZONING IS NOT AS OLD
AND SO A LOT OF STUFF PREDATES THE ZONING ORDINANCE.
HIGH KNOBS A GOOD SUBDIVISION TO WRITE THE, TO SEE IT.
'CAUSE YOU'LL SEE A, YOU KNOW, A 1970 STRUCTURE AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, RIGHT THERE IN THE DRIVEWAY'S.
WELL, RIGHT, BUT, YOU KNOW, SHORT OF ME GETTING OUT WITH MY TAPE MEASURE, OH NO, YOU'LL BE, YOU'LL KNOW.
WELL, I'LL KNOW IF IT'S CLOSER, BUT I'M NOT GONNA KNOW WHAT 30 LOOKS LIKE.
VERSE 35 OR 40, WELL PICK WHAT MOUNTAIN SUBDIVISION YOU'LL SEE.
YOU'LL SEE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
BLUE MOUNTAIN ON THE GULF WATER, BLUE MOUNTAIN, BE A GOOD ONE.
AND I CAN GO THROUGH OUR BZA LIST BECAUSE THAT'S ONE OF THE FEW THAT I ACTUALLY HAVE CLOSE TO ALL OUR DATA CODE CODE.
I CAN GO THROUGH AND PULL A FEW THAT WE HAVE THAT ARE AT DIFFERENT DISTANCES.
IF YOU WANT TO SEE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
I COULD ALSO GET A NUMBER OF HOW MANY OF THOSE VARIANCES WOULD'VE NOT BEEN NECESSARY IF IT WAS AT 40 FEET OR AT 35 FEET.
AND I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I DON'T SPEND A LOT OF TIME DOING IT.
I, I WILL NOT SPEND A, A TERRIBLE AMOUNT OF TIME.
MOST OF THOSE, MOST OF THAT DATA IS IN ONE SPOT, SO IT WOULD NOT FIT ME VERY LONG.
THERE'S TO PUT IT TOGETHER AND I'LL, I'LL PROVIDE IT TO ALL OF YOU SO YOU CAN GO AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE PHYSICALLY LOOKING OR YOU CAN LOOK AT OUR GIS MAP AND JUST SEE WHAT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
CDO FORMS ADDS ANOTHER DYNAMIC TO THAT 'CAUSE THEY'VE GOT A RIGHT OF WAY AND A LOT OF TIMES THE ROAD
AND THEY MISSED IT BY MILE, UH, WITH GOOD INTENTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING THE RULES AND THOUGHT THAT'S, YOU KNOW, COUPLE FEET HERE WE, WE'VE GOT THIS COVERED AND THEY WERE OFF 20 SOME FEET BECAUSE THE RIGHT OF WAY WAS THAT FAR OUTTA LINE AT THE CENTER OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO ALL WHAT YOU, WHAT IF YOU NEED TO SEE THAT SHE'S GOT THE PERFECT, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA ALSO.
AND WE HAD A GUY ON THE APPLICANT ON THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS LAST WEEK THAT WAS 50 FEET BACK AND HIT ROCK.
SO HE TOOK IT IN HIS OWN HANDS TO MOVE IT UP TO 35 FEET.
SO HE COULDN'T HAVE IT OUT HERE.
AND WITH THE DECK IT WAS ACTUALLY 25.
YEAH, YOU'D HAVE TO REDO THE DECK I GUESS, BUT, UH, YEAH.
YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY OTHER COMMENT IS DESPITE HAVING FOUR VARIANCE APPLICATIONS, A 35 FOOT SETBACK WOULD NOT HAVE ELIMINATED ANY OF THOSE NEEDS FOR VARIANCES.
THEY WERE ALL BELOW, UH, 35 FEET.
SO THIS ISN'T NECESSARILY DRIVEN BY A, A HIGH NUMBER OF VARIANCE APPLICATIONS.
IT IS JUST SOMETHING THE BOARD IDENTIFIED AS A GOAL TO EVALUATE.
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SORRY TO GO PAST YOU JORDAN.YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR US? NO, I JUST APPRECIATE YOUR TACTICAL CORRECTION ON THE, UH, APPLICABILITY OF THE REGULATIONS FOR THE BUILDING SERVICES.
I WASN'T ON MY TOES, BUT THAT ONE WHEELS ON FIRE.
YOU CALLED ME LAST TIME AND THIS TIME
NO MATTER HONOR WITH THAT, WE'LL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO ADJOURN.