Oct 21, 2025 Board of Supervisors Meeting

PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.

THANK YOU, SIR.

SO NEXT WE HAVE, UH,

[D. Public Comment Period for Items on the Agenda (30-Minute Time Limit)]

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD SHALL BE LIMITED TO 60 MINUTES DIVIDED INTO TWO 30 MINUTE SEGMENTS.

THE FIRST 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS LIMITED TO COMMENTS PERTAINING TO ITEMS WHICH ARE ON THE MEETING AGENDA NOT ADDRESSED IN PUBLIC HEARINGS.

THE SECOND 30 MINUTE PERIOD IS FOR GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENTS.

AS A REMINDER, THERE'S A MAXIMUM OF THREE MINUTES FOR ANY ONE SPEAKER.

SPEAKERS MAY NOT, MAY ONLY SPEAK ONCE PER MEETING AND MAY NOT SPEAK DURING BOTH COMMENT PERIODS.

ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.

BE CONSIDERED OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS.

THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.

THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND, AND, UH, OTHER MEANS OF, UH, VISUAL DISPLAY WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.

THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION OR MATERIALS USED AS A PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION TO THE BOARD AT THE HEARING.

THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.

ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES OF THE PUBLIC HEARING MAY BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN.

FAILURE TO LEAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING WHEN ASKED TO DO SO IS IN VIOLATION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE 56 DASH FOUR IN VIRGINIA, CODE 18.2 DASH FOUR 15 AND IS SUBJECT TO A FINE OF UP TO $2,500.

AND A JAIL SENTENCE OF ABOUT TO 12 MONTHS OR BOTH.

FINALLY, PLEASE RE REFRAIN FROM USING INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IN YOUR COMMENTS.

YOUNG CHILDREN MAY BE VIEWING THIS SESSION EITHER IN PERSON OR LATER ONLINE, AND PEOPLE WILL PROBABLY HAVE LESS TENDENCY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS SERIOUSLY IF INAPPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS USED.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR COMMENT.

SO, UH, MR. HENDERSON, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? UH, YES, SIR.

JOHN JENKINS.

JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.

GOOD EVENING.

UH, WATER, HUO.

IT'S THE SECOND MOST LIFE SUPPORTING NATURAL RESOURCE ON THE PLANET.

AND IT'S PROVIDED BY GOD, THE RAIN, THE SNOW, SLEET AND HAIL THAT FALLS FROM THE SKY.

THE NATURAL RESOURCE CANNOT BE REPLICATED AND IT'S CONSTANTLY BEING REGULATED AND CONTROLLED BY MAN AND AS IT'S FOR THE WELFARE AND HEALTH OF THE ECONOMY, OR TO INCREASE GOVERNMENT COFFERS OR PROHIBIT UNWANTED BUSINESSES COMING INTO THE AREA LIKE DATA CENTERS.

IF THESE INDUSTRIES COME IN AND THEY CAN'T USE THE WELLS FOR THEIR WATER SUPPLY, THEY'RE NATURALLY GOING TO TRY AND CONTACT THE TOWN FOR THAT WATER.

AND THAT NEEDS TO BE APPROVED BY BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, I GUESS, FOR WATER LINES TO BE EXTENDED OUT THERE.

AND IF THAT DECISION OCCURS, UH, IF YOU WANT TO TRY TO PROTECT THE RESOURCES, UH, YOU'RE STILL GONNA BE USING THE SAME AMOUNT OF WATER, WHETHER IT COMES FROM THE RIVER, COMES FROM THE TOWN, COMES FROM SPRINGS, AND I KNOW THAT THE DEEP WELLS OR WHATEVER, UH, WOULD, WOULD TEND TO, UH, HURT THE COMMUNITIES, LOCAL COMMUNITIES, NEIGHBORS NEARBY BY DRAINING ALL THE WATER OUT.

SO WITH THAT, WITH THE WATER, WITH THE SHORTAGE OF THE WATER THAT WE HAVE NOW, BECAUSE THE DROUGHT, THE CITY OF WINCHESTER IS ALLOWED TO PUMP 10 MILLION GALLONS PER DAY FROM THE NORTH FORK OF THE SHENANDOAH RIVER FOR MIDDLETOWN, STEPHEN CITY AND OTHER SMALL COMMUNITIES.

SO THE WATER BE SUCH A VALUABLE RESOURCE.

WHAT, WHY WOULD THE BOARD ALLOW FOR CHRISTIAN COLLEGE TO CONTINUE TO CONTAMINATE THE C RIVER WHEN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL HAS A RESERVOIR DOWNSTREAM FROM THAT AREA? DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND THAT.

AND ALL THESE SAFEGUARDS ARE BE, UH, IMPLEMENTED FOR PUBLIC SAFETY UNDER EXTREME CONDITIONS WHEN YOU'RE TRYING TO REGULATE THE WATER.

UH, IF YOU HAVE FARMERS OUT THERE THAT HAVE WELLS, THEY'RE NOT REALLY INDUSTRIES, BUT, UH, IF, IF THEY HAVE 200 HEAD OF CATTLE AND THEY DON'T HAVE THE WET WEATHER STREAMS FOR CATTLE, ARE YOU GONNA TRY TO, UH, REGULATE HOW MUCH WATER THEY CAN USE FOR THEIR CATTLE? ANY TYPE

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OF ORDINANCE THAT YOU PUT IN THERE, THERE'S THE WORDING ON THAT IS SORT OF EXTREME.

IT GOES, INTERPRETED A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS.

AND WITH THIS NEW REGULATION COMING IN OR ORDINANCE, HOW WILL IT AFFECT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OUT ON THE, UH, 5 22 QUARTER? UH, WILL PEOPLE THINK TWICE ABOUT TRYING TO COME IN BECAUSE THERE MAY BE ISSUES.

SO WHAT IS MORE IMPORTANT? THE REGULATION OF WELL WATER BY INDUSTRIES WITH LAWFUL CON CONSEQUENCES OR ALLOWING WATER FROM THAT FLOWS FROM THE SHANAN OIL TO BE GIVEN TO OTHER COMMUNITIES, OR ENSURING THAT THE WILLFUL POLLUTION OF THE CHANNEL RIVER BE RECOGNIZED, PANELIZED AND ACCEPT.

ANYWAY, THANK YOU.

NEXT UP IS LOUIS MOTEN.

HE'S TALL.

LEWIS MOTON, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.

THE THIRD LIGHT FROM THE BACK CEILING'S STILL FALLING DOWN.

THE MINUTES FROM LAST TIME ARE MUCH BETTER.

I DID NOT SAY THAT THINGS WERE GETTING BETTER AT THE SENIOR CENTER.

I WAS THINKING, CHERYL, FOR ACTUALLY ADDRESSING IT.

UH, THINGS HAVE ACTUALLY GOTTEN WORSE, SO I'M JUST WONDERING WHAT'S GOING ON FROM MAINLY, WE, WE HAD TWO PEOPLE FALL AT TRIAD ALREADY, SO IT'S LIKE THESE PEOPLE ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO FALLING.

ONCE YOU FALL, THE REST OF YOUR LIFE IS IMPACTED.

AND THIS FLOOR ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED NOW, ACTUALLY LAST MONTH, TWO MONTHS, FOUR MONTHS AGO.

SO I'D LIKE THAT TO BE TAKEN CARE OF SOONER.

UM, THERE WAS OTHER ISSUES.

I'M JUST TRYING, I'M MY MIND'S DRAWING A BLANK, BUT I'VE ALREADY SENT THE FUEL REPORTS.

A FEW OF YOU HAVE GOTTEN BACK TO ME.

I APPRECIATE YOUR FEEDBACK AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN, UH, GET SOMETHING ON THE BOARD.

UM, IT WAS A SURPRISE HOW MUCH I COULD FIND WITH THAT.

SO THANK YOU.

AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUP, SIR.

THE, UM, REPORTS BY THE BOARD MEMBERS.

WOULD, UH, ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON, ON ANY ISSUES THAT ARE, UH, ON THE AGENDA GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? THIS PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED.

SO NEXT WE'VE GOT, UM,

[E. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney (Part 1 of 2)]

AND, UH, SINCE, UH, SINCE YOU'RE OUR NEWEST BOARD MEMBER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO BEGIN? GOT MY MIC ON? YES.

OH, I'M, UH, HAVING SOME IT ISSUES.

SO I DIDN'T GET TO DO AS MUCH RESEARCH.

OH, I PROBABLY GOT MORE QUESTIONS THAN I DO ANSWERS FOR ANYTHING.

OH, I DID HAVE SOME CITIZENS, SO CONCERNS THAT, UH, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO DIRECT A QUESTION, PROBABLY MR. GOTCHA.

BUT THERE, THERE'S BEEN SOME MENTION THAT, UH, SOMETHING TO DO WITH OUR BUDGET SYSTEM TO WHERE IT HAS NOT BEEN RECONCILED, HAS GOT US IN A SITUATION WHERE WE'RE HAVING SOME BOND OR MAYBE SOME MONEY BORROW ISSUES IS, SO IS ANYBODY HERE AWARE OF THAT OR CAN GIVE ME ANY MOTION ON THAT? 'CAUSE I'VE GOT, ACTUALLY GOT A COUPLE CALLS ON IT.

I, YES.

UH, YES, SIR.

UM, THIS, THIS, UH, YOUR, YOUR QUESTION, UM, IS, IS ACTUALLY RELATED TO THE, THE ONGOING, UM, AUDIT PROJECT, THE, THE 2024, THE FISCAL YEAR 24 AUDIT.

UM, AS A RESULT OF THAT, UM, ONGOING PROJECT, UH, THE, THE COUNTY IS REQUIRED OF COURSE, BY LAW TO, UM, UH, PER STATUTE TO POST APPROPRIATE NOTICE TO, TO THE PUBLIC, UH, WHICH IT HAS DONE, UH, RELATIVE TO, UM, REASONING, PROVIDING A PUBLIC REASONING FOR WHICH THE AUDIT HAS BEEN DELAYED.

AND, AND THAT CAN BE FOUND ON OUR WEBSITE.

ONCE, ONCE YOU GET A CHANCE TO, TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.

WE, WE HAVE THAT NOTE AS POSTED, BUT RELATIVE TO YOUR SPECIFIC QUESTION ON, UH, ON, UH, THE BOND, UH, ISSUE, UM, THE, UH, THE COUNTY IS, UH, THE, THE COUNTY DOES HAVE TWO SEPARATE CREDIT RATINGS, UM, RELATED TO OUR ONGOING, UH, BOND ISSUES THAT WE, THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, PROCURE, UH, FROM YEAR TO YEAR FOR VARIOUS PROJECTS.

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AND, UH, AS A RESULT OF THE, THE AUDIT, UH, DIFFICULTIES, UM, ONE OF THE RATINGS HAS BEEN POOLED, UM, THAT DOES NOT IMMEDIATELY AFFECT THE, THE COUNTY.

UM, THE BOND HAS ALREADY BEEN ISSUED.

UH, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE ARE IN, UH, WE HAVE THAT, THAT MONEY, YOU KNOW, IN OUR, IN OUR ACCOUNT, UM, WHEN A CREDIT RATING IS POOLED.

HOWEVER, UM, IT DOES, UH, HAVE POTENTIAL IMPACT ON, ON FUTURE, UH, RATINGS IF NOT PROPERLY CURED, UM, PRIOR TO THE NEXT BOND RATING.

SO, UH, WE ARE WORKING ON THAT, UH, DILIGENTLY.

I HAVE BEEN SPENDING MUCH OF MY TIME, UH, SINCE I'VE ARRIVED, UH, A MONTH AGO, UM, FOCUSED ON THE AUDIT PROCESS.

UM, OUR LAST AUDIT AND FINANCE COMMITTEE, WE DID SPEAK ABOUT THIS IN GREAT DETAIL.

UM, I HAVE, UM, I AM IN THE PROCESS OF WORKING ON A REPORT, UH, FOR THAT COMMITTEE, WHICH, UH, WILL HOPEFULLY IN GREATER DETAIL EXPLAIN THE DELAY AND, UH, WHAT WE'VE LEARNED FROM IT AND WHAT WE ARE GOING TO IMPLEMENT MOVING FORWARD TO ENSURE THAT WE DON'T GET INTO THIS SITUATION MOVING FORWARD.

SO, UM, I, I HOPE THAT HELPS ANSWER YOUR QUESTION IN SOME WAY, BUT, UM, IT DON'T, DID THEY HAVE ANY TIMELINE ON GETTING THIS THING CAUGHT UP IN, IN, IS THERE, UM, I KNOW IT GOES THROUGH THE TREASURER'S OFFICE.

IS IT ANY RESOURCES, THE BOARD OR ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO GIVE HER ANY RESOURCES THAT SHE WOULD NEED OR TO EXPEDITE THIS BEFORE IT GETS ANY WORSE? UH, YES.

SO, UH, SO EVEN PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, THE BOARD HAD, UH, AS I UNDERSTAND THE BOARD HAD, UM, YOU KNOW, DIRECTED THAT, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT KIND OF GET A HANDLE ON THIS THING.

AND, UH, PROVIDED, UM, UM, THE BACKING TO THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TO DEPLOY RESOURCES TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE, UM, UH, BRINGING IN ALL PARTIES THAT WE CAN TO GET THIS THING WRAPPED UP QUICKLY.

UH, SO, UH, FINANCE DEPARTMENT HAS DONE THAT.

AGAIN, PRIOR TO MY ARRIVAL, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR HAD, UM, HIRED A TEAM OF, OF, UH, AUDITORS.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, LET ME THINK HERE.

THREE DIFFERENT AUDIT FIRMS WORKING RIGHT NOW.

EXTERNAL AUDIT FIRMS WORKING, UH, ABOVE AND BEYOND WHAT WE'VE EVER HAD BEFORE, UH, AGAIN, TO KIND OF GET MORE, UH, RESOURCES ON THE PROJECT.

UM, AND, UH, I HAD A MEETING, UH, ON FRIDAY, UH, WITH OUR FINANCE, UH, DIRECTOR AND, UH, A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, AS WELL AS ALL AUDITORS, UH, THAT WE HAVE CURRENTLY ON THE PROJECT TO GET A STATUS UPDATE FROM THEM, UH, UH, AND TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE.

UM, AND, UH, AND SO RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT, THE AUDITORS ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DOING BANK RECONCILIATIONS.

SO AS IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME, CASH IS KING.

AND, UM, AND IF A LOCALITY GETS BEHIND ITS BANK RECONCILIATION PROCESS ONE MONTH, THAT AFFECTS THE NEXT MONTH AND IT ESSENTIALLY DOUBLES, UH, EVERY MISSED MONTH.

UM, THE, THE CATCH UP, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF JUST BEING BEHIND THAT ONE MONTH, YOU KNOW, IT, IT AFFECTS WHAT YOU ARE ABLE TO DO WITH REGARD TO, UH, PROPERLY ENSURING THAT THE, UM, UM, THE BANK RECONCILIATION IS DONE FROM, FROM MONTH TO MONTH.

SO, UH, IT REALLY TAKES A TEAM EFFORT TO, TO ATTEMPT TO CATCH UP FROM A SEVERAL MONTH LONG, UM, UH, PERIOD OF NOT DOING BANK RECONCILIATION.

SO, UM, WE'RE, WE'RE IN THAT PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF TRYING TO PLAY CATCH UP ON SEVERAL MONTHS WORTH OF MISSED BANK RECONCILIATION.

SO THAT'S WHAT, UH, THE TEAM OF AUDITORS IS, IS WORKING ON AT THE MOMENT.

SO, UH, THANK YOU FOR DIVING IN.

'CAUSE I'M KIND OF NEW AT IT TOO, AND I, I APPRECIATE YOU.

OH, KIND OF JUMPING IN IT, SO TO SPEAK.

SO CERTAINLY.

AND, AND, AND JUST, UH, IF I MAY AS WELL, UH, I HAVE BEEN, UM, EVERY WEEK PROVIDING THE BOARD WITH A, UH, UH, A REPORT ON, ON WHERE WE ARE.

AND I KNOW YOU'VE BEEN HAVING SOME TECHNICAL, UH, DIFFICULTIES, BUT I'LL BE SURE TO, TO PRINT THOSE OUT AND, AND PROVIDE THOSE TO YOU SO YOU CAN GET CAUGHT UP QUICKER ON, ON THAT ISSUE.

HOPEFULLY IT WILL GET ME YES,

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UH, CORRECT IT SOON.

YES, SIR.

SO I'LL HAVE, UH, MY EMAIL AND THE, UH, THE RIGHT STUFF.

I'M ON A LOANER, UH, THIS EVENING, SO HOPEFULLY, UH, AND THIS ONE DIED TOO.

I'VE GOT ALL KINDS OF ISSUES HERE, BUT, UH, I, I'M CONFIDENT THEY'LL GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT SOON.

I, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.

THANK YOU MR. STANLER.

UH, JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS.

UM, FIRST OF ALL, REGARDING THE SCHOOL, SCHOOL TOUR, I, I THOROUGHLY ENJOYED THAT.

UM, AND, UH, I WAS ALSO, UH, QUITE CHARMED BY READING TO THE CHILDREN.

IT BROUGHT BACK MEMORIES OF, OF WHEN MY YOUNGEST WAS A KINDERGARTEN.

UM, BUT, UH, ON, ON THE SERIOUS SIDE OF THAT, I, UH, I WAS SUPER IMPRESSED, UH, BY ALL THE SCHOOLS.

AND I'VE, I'VE BEEN TO SEVERAL OF THE SCHOOLS BEFORE AND, AND HAD A, UM, LAST YEAR MY SON WAS A TEACHER AT, UH, SKYLINE MIDDLE.

SO, UM, DEFINITELY AM AWARE OF, OF, UH, THE SITUATION THERE.

BUT, UH, WAS REALLY HAPPY JUST TO SEE THE LEVEL OF ENGAGEMENT, UH, OF ALL THE STUDENTS AND, UH, THE COMMITMENT, UH, AND DEDICATION OF ALL THE TEACHERS AND STAFF, UH, AT EACH LOCATION WE STOPPED AT.

UM, BUT ONE THING THAT ALSO EVEN IMPRESSED ME FURTHER IS THAT THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I HAD BEEN AT THE TECH CENTER, UH, AND HAD A CHANCE TO SEE SEVERAL CLASSES IN ACTION.

UM, AND, UH, I, YOU KNOW, I WAS AWARE AND HAD BEEN TO THE TECH CENTER, UH, ON MY ORIENTATION TOUR, UH, BUT HAD NOT REALLY, UM, OTHER THAN SEEING THE CATALOG OF CLASSES, I HAD NOT GOTTEN A FULL APPRECIATION FOR IT.

UH, AND I WAS JUST THOROUGHLY IMPRESSED UP AND DOWN.

UM, I THINK THAT, UM, THE, THE TRADES ARE A SUPER IMPORTANT OPTION.

AND WHEN I SAY THE TRADES, I DON'T JUST MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE CARPENTRY AND WELDING AND AUTOMOTIVE, BUT ALSO THE, THE NURSING AND, AND, UM, THE, THE IT, UH, CYBERSECURITY AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT THEY DO.

THEY'RE THE CULINARY AND EVERYTHING.

UM, THESE ARE REALLY GOOD OPTIONS FOR, FOR A LOT OF KIDS.

AND, UM, SOME KIDS ARE, ARE NOT WIRED TO SIT IN A SEAT, UH, EIGHT HOURS A DAY AND, AND LISTEN TO LECTURES AND, AND, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE MORE DOERS AND HANDS ON.

AND THE, THE TRADES ARE A REALLY GOOD OPTION, ESPECIALLY WITH, UM, SO MANY COLLEGE GRADUATES NOW HAVING TROUBLE FINDING WORK.

AND THEN YOU HEAR STORIES WHERE PEOPLE WENT DIRECTLY INTO THE TRADES AND, AND BY THE TIME THEY'RE 21, THEY OWN THEIR OWN COMPANY AND THEY'RE MAKING SIX FIGURES AND THINGS.

UM, SO I'M REALLY GLAD THAT WE HAVE THIS.

IT'S, IT'S A HUGE GEM AND ASSET IN OUR COUNTY.

AND, UM, I KNOW THAT SOME OF THOSE CLASSES ARE BOOKED FULL AND HAVE DEMAND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S TWO TO ONE VERSUS CAPACITY.

AND SO DOWN THE ROAD I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE CAN EXPAND THAT PROGRAM AND, UH, POTENTIALLY HAVE A LARGER FACILITY OR HAVE TWO TECH CENTERS.

I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW THAT WOULD LOOK, BUT, UH, CERTAINLY, UH, SOMETHING WHERE I THINK WE CAN, UH, UH, LOOK, UH, TO FURTHER THAT PROGRAM.

UM, MY ONLY OTHER, UH, POINT WAS THAT I'VE BEEN MEETING FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS WITH A, A COMMITTEE ON THE EMERGENCY EXIT ACCESS TO SHENANDOAH SHORES ROAD FROM, UH, I 66 FOR FIRST RESPONDERS ONLY.

AND, UH, WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER THE JUSTIFICATION TO, TO SEND UP TO, UH, THE, UH, FEDERAL HIGHWAY ADMINISTRATION AS WELL AS COMMONWEALTH TRANSPORTATION BOARD.

AND WE ARE GETTING REALLY GOOD TRACTION.

AND I JUST WANTED TO THANK SHERIFF KLEIN AND, UH, FIRE CHIEF BONANO AND, UH, ED CARTER AND OTHERS FROM DOT.

UH, WE ARE PUTTING TOGETHER A, A VERY INFORMATION PACKED CASE, WHICH HOPEFULLY WILL GET THIS OVER THE LINE, UM, AS, AS QUICKLY AS THE FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY CAN, CAN TAKE IT.

BUT, UH, IT'S MOVING NOW, UH, WHICH IS A, A GOOD TURN OF EVENTS.

UH, THAT'S ALL FROM MY REPORT TODAY.

SINCE WE HAVE ABOUT, UH, TWO MINUTES LEFT, THE, UH, I WILL SQUEEZE MY REPORT IN AND THEN DR.

JAMISON AND, UH, UH, SUPERVISORS CALLERS WILL GET, UH, UH, HAVE THEIR REPORTS AFTER THE, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT I WENT TO THE, UH, UH, TO, TO THE WINCHESTER WINGS AND WHEELS THIS WEEKEND.

YOU KNOW, WE ARE, OUR AIRPORT IS PART OF THEIR, THEIR REGIONAL, UH, AND IT WAS REALLY, REALLY GOOD THIS COMING WEEKEND.

WE'VE GOT THE, UH, THE GREAT PUMPKIN DROP OUT AT THE, UH, OUT AT THE AIRPORT.

IT'S GONNA BE FROM EIGHT TO FOUR.

SO, UH, I ENCOURAGE Y'ALL TO GO AND EIGHT TO TWO, I'M SORRY, TWO, WELL, IT'S EIGHT TO TWO, I'M SORRY.

UH, I'M GONNA BE THERE EIGHT TO FOUR.

SO, UM, SO THAT'S, UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE AND I THINK WE'RE JUST ABOUT READY TO GO INTO OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS.

SO, UM, WE, WE CAN CAN WE START A MINUTE EARLY? UH, NO, I'M AFRAID NOT.

I'M SORRY.

RIGHT, WELL NOW IT'S, NOW IT'S SEVEN 30.

BUT WE CAN JUST WAIT FOR A FEW SECONDS.

ALRIGHT, WELL, WE CAN WAIT FOR A FEW SECONDS.

PROBABLY ABOUT 30, 30 SECONDS.

YOU CAN START LATE, BUT NOT EARLY IN CASE SOMEBODY DOESN'T SHOW UP ON TIME.

SO, ALL

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SO OUR FIRST,

[I. Public Hearing: Z2025-07-01 - Zoning Text Amendments for Building Service Establishment - An ordinance to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code (zoning ordinance) to amend §180-8C to add a new definition for building service establishment, to enact §180-21D(51) to make building service establishment permissible only upon issuance of a conditional use permit in the Agricultural zoning district, and to enact §180-36.1 to add supplementary regulations for building service establishment. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

UH, PUBLIC HEARING IS, UH, UM, A ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.

THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR.

ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO ADD A NEW DEFINITION FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT TO ADD BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

AND TO ADD NEW SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.

THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE BEING REQUESTED BY RAY BRAMBLE OF BRAMBLE ENTERPRISES, LLCA LOCAL HVAC AND PLUMBING COMPANY LOCATED ON COMMERCE AVENUE.

IN FRONT ROYAL, THE APPLICANT IS INTERESTED IN ESTABLISHING A SECONDARY SUPPORT FACILITY FOR HIS BUSINESS, UH, TO BE LOCATED AT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD, PRIMARILY FOR THE STORAGE OF RESIDENTIAL HVAC AND PLUMBING SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT IN MATERIALS FOR THE IN FOR THE STAGING OF UNITS TO BE HAULED OFF SITE FOR INSTALLATIONS.

UPON REVIEW OF THIS REQUEST, STAFF IDENTIFIED HOME SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT SUCH AS EXTERMINATOR, PLUMBER, DECORATOR, OR APPLIANCE SERVICE, AS A CURRENTLY UNDEFINED LAND USE PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT AND BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.

SINCE THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS ZONED, AGRICULTURAL TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE NECESSARY FOR HOME SLASH BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS TO BE PERMISSIBLE IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT LAND USE BE PERMISSIBLE ONLY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT WITH SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS TO REDUCE THE IMPACT ON ADJACENT PROPERTIES.

THIS TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION WAS FILED CONCURRENTLY WITH A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO ESTABLISH A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD.

UH, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION AND APPLICABILITY OF THIS DRAFTED ORDINANCE TO THAT PROPERTY WILL BE ADDRESSED IN THE NEXT AGENDA ITEM.

THE PROPOSED DEFINITION FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT IS A FACILITY PROVIDING SERVICES FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS EXTERMINATOR, PLUMBER, DECORATOR, ELECTRICIAN, OR HEATING, VENTILATION AND AIR CONDITIONING, OR OTHER APPLIANCE SERVICE AND RELATED EQUIPMENT STORAGE, STAGING AND REPAIRS.

THIS USE SHALL BE, SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SUBSECTION 180 8 DASH 36.1 OF THIS CHAPTER.

THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS ARE INTENDED FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENTS IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.

ONLY STAFF BELIEVES MANY OF THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE OR MAY NOT BE AS NECESSARY IN THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

THE PROPOSED SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS INCLUDE A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT TO FRONT UPON AND HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO A STATE MAINTAINED ROAD WITH VDOT APPROVAL FOR THE ENTRANCE AND ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN REQUIREMENTS, A RESTRICTION ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY APPROVED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY OR OPERATION PERMIT FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, WHICHEVER IS LESSER A RESTRICTION ON ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RETAIL SALES.

A FULL SCREEN AND 25 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE AND STAGING AREA FROM THE PROPERTY LINES OFF STREET PARKING, LANDSCAPING AND LIGHTING REQUIREMENTS, A REQUIREMENT FOR THE HOURS OF OPERATION TO BE SET BY CONDITION, PLACED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND A RESTRICTION ON THE USE OF THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL AUTO REPAIRS UNLESS APPROVED SEPARATELY BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND ALSO FOR AUTO SALVAGE.

AND AS A JUNKYARD, UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10TH, 2025.

MR. GORDON MOVED TO FORWARD THIS REQUEST TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE CHANGE TO PROPOSED SUBSECTION 180 DASH 36.1 F TO REQUIRE 2.0 PARKING SPACES PER EMPLOYEE ON THE MAIN SHIFT.

UH, THE MOTION WAS SECONDED BY MR. HENRY AND PASSED BY A VOTE OF FOUR TO ONE.

UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS? WELL, I'VE GOT A QUESTION.

COULD YOU PLEASE PUT THIS IN THE VERNACULAR SO THAT PEOPLE CAN UNDERSTAND IT? I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF IN THERE, BUT BASICALLY JUST BOILED IT DOWN TO WHAT DOES THIS MEAN? YEAH, SO BASICALLY IT'S TO ALLOW FOR A, A BUSINESS THAT TYPICALLY SERVICES BUILDINGS, TO HAVE A PROPERTY FOR STORAGE AND STAGING OF, OF THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WILL BE HAULED OFFSITE TO THE CUSTOMER'S LOCATION TO BE INSTALLED.

AND, AND THIS IS GONNA BE OVER IN THE AGRICULTURAL AREA, BUT WE'RE GONNA, YEAH, SO, UM, IT, IT, THE PROPERTY THAT IT'S BEING REQUESTED FOR IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL.

SO WITH LAND USE, YOU HAVE TO OPEN THE DOOR FOR THE ENTIRE ZONING DISTRICT.

AND THAT IS WHY WE SUGGEST MAKING IT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SO THAT YOU GUYS HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO EVALUATE THE SPECIFIC PROPERTY LOCATION AND DETERMINE IF IT'S SUITABLE FOR THAT COMMUNITY.

DID, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING? NO, I, I TALKED TO, UM, MR.

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LIN BEFORE TO GET IN.

UM, THERE IS, YOU MIGHT WANNA CLARIFY THAT THE AREA HE'S GOING TO USE IS ALREADY HAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO I WAS GONNA COVER THE SPECIFICS OF THAT PROPERTY UNDER THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

YEP.

UM, MR. LENZ, HOW WOULD THIS DIFFER FROM A CASE? SAY YOU HAVE LIKE A, A FAMILY RUN HVAC COMPANY, UH, THAT HAS, UH, SAY ON THEIR RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY THAT'S IN THE AG DISTRICT, THEY HAVE THEIR HOME AND THEN THEY HAVE, UH, A, A SHED OR A BARN, UH, THAT THEY USE FOR THIS PURPOSE TO STORE, UH, THINGS LIKE CONDENSERS AND, AND BLOWERS AND, AND THEY DO REPAIRS OR PARTS.

UH, AND THEN, AND THEN TAKE THOSE THINGS OFF TO INSTALL AT PEOPLE'S HOMES.

UH, 'CAUSE I, WE HAVE SOME CASES LIKE THAT.

AND SO I'M JUST WONDERING, CERTAINLY YES, THERE ARE HOME RECONCI THAT HOME OCCUPATIONS, UH, WHERE THIS MIGHT OVERLAP A LITTLE BIT.

HOME OCCUPATIONS HAVE STRICTER, UH, REGULATIONS.

THEY DON'T ALLOW FOR ANYTHING OUTSIDE OF THE HOUSE TECHNICALLY MM-HMM .

UM, SO IT ALLOWS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE STORAGE.

THIS PROPERTY SPECIFICALLY HAS A LARGE KIND OF COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN THE FRONT AND THEN STORAGE IN THE BACK.

SO IT'S PRETTY MUCH NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM, FROM THE ROADWAY.

AND SO IT'LL ALLOW FOR HIM TO USE THAT REAR YARD FOR THE USE.

WELL, IF THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? YES, SIR.

LEWIS MOUNTAIN.

SO OPENING THE HEARINGS.

HELLO AGAIN.

LOUIS PUTIN, NORTH RIVER.

IT'S LIKE, IS THAT THE RIGHT LOCATION? UM, SO I WAS JUST CONCERNED, I, I DON'T HAVE AN OBJECTION TO IT REALLY.

I'M JUST LIKE CONCERNED LIKE, UM, WE'RE GIVING EVERYBODY ACCESS TO THIS ALL AT ONCE.

IT'S NOT JUST THIS ONE INDIVIDUAL PERSON.

UM, AND THEN THE OTHER ISSUE IS IF A COMPANY SEES THIS AND THEY CAN'T GO YET, THEY'RE PROBABLY GONNA SAY, WELL, COMPANY X CAN DO THIS.

Y CAN'T COMPANY Y DO THIS.

AND THEN THE OPEN STORAGE LOTS.

I I, I THINK IT'D BE IDEAL IF THERE WAS LIKE SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION ON LIKE THE LOT SIZE OR HOW OFTEN PEOPLE COME AND GO.

UM, SO IT'S, IT'S, THOSE ARE JUST A LITTLE THINGS AND I'M SURE YOU GUYS HAVE ALREADY THOUGHT THROUGH ALL THIS, BUT I JUST WANT TO BRING IT UP, SO THANK YOU.

OH, THANK YOU MR. CHAIRMAN.

OUR, OUR RULES PROVIDE THAT THE APPLICANT GETS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK IF THEY WANT TO.

IS THE APPLICANT HERE? YES.

SORRY, I GOT THE CART BEHIND, BUT, UH, IN FRONT OF THE HORSE AGAIN.

SO DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? ALRIGHT, LEMME EXPLAIN SOME THINGS FOR YOU.

CAN I HELP YOU THERE? YEAH, YEAH.

JUST LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, FOR, SO I ACTUALLY TEACH AT LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE AND ALSO SERVE ON A CT BOARD HERE, UH, FOR WARREN COUNTY.

AND SO FOR, FOR THE TRADES, SO I STARTED OUT IN MY HOUSE, THEN WE MOVED, YOU KNOW, WHEN OUR BUSINESS GREW.

SO WE HAD TO GO GET A BUSINESS LOCATION AND WE'VE HAD A COUPLE DIFFERENT LOCATIONS AND NOW WE HAVE A MAIN OFFICE AT 7 0 2 NORTH COMMERCE.

SO WE'RE UP TO ABOUT 70 EMPLOYEES RIGHT NOW WITH PLUMBING AND HEATING AIR.

AND SO I NEED SUPPORT FACILITY AND I'M ALREADY USING THE FACILITY FOR THE LAST YEAR.

I'VE BEEN RENTING IT OUT.

HAD HAD A, UH, COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE OR MAYBE IT WAS NOT, WAS IT A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE, UH, FOR VEHICLES? YEAH, THE, THE ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ARE COMMERCIAL REPAIR, GARAGE AND ENCLOSED STORAGE, WHICH IS WHAT YOU WERE USING IT FOR.

THAT WOULD BE, THAT'D BE, THAT'D BE TOO MUCH OF AN EXPENSE FOR ME TO OUTLAY, YOU KNOW, I DO NOT HAVE THAT KIND OF CAPITAL TO DO THAT.

SO I RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY TRUE.

THAT'S HOW THEY GROW.

SO WHAT WE NEED IS WE'VE OUTGROWN 7 0 2 NORTH COMMERCE.

SO MY RETAIL OPERATION IS THERE, SO I NEED THE STORAGE FACILITY.

IT'S ALREADY A STORAGE FACILITY, , IF YOU WILL.

SO WE'RE USING IT AS SUCH.

AND SO WE STAY, SO, SO MR. BUTLER, IF YOU HAVE A, IF YOUR ACS BROKEN AND I GOTTA REPLACE IT TOMORROW WHERE I GOTTA ORDER IT FROM ONE OF MY SUPPLIERS, THEY'LL SEND IT OVER TO THAT STORAGE FACILITY AND I'LL RECEIVE IT.

I GOT TWO OR THREE GUYS THERE, THEY'LL RECEIVE IT, THEY'LL STAGE IT, THEY'LL PUT IT IN ONE OF THE LOCKERS, AND THEN THE NEXT MORNING THE GUYS COME IN THE MORNING, THEY PICK IT UP, THEY COME TO YOUR HOUSE, THEY PULL YOUR EQUIPMENT OUT, THEY PUT THE NEW EQUIPMENT IN, THEN HE'D BRING IT BACK THE NEXT DAY OR UH, EVEN EITHER THAT EVENING, THEN WE WOULD GATHER IT BACK UP, WE RECYCLE IT AND WE SEND IT AWAY.

SO WHAT I'M DOING IS RESPECTFULLY ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO WHAT I'M ALREADY DOING.

SO I WANNA MAKE SURE IT'S OKAY BECAUSE I SEE ALL OVER THE COUNTY WHERE PEOPLE HAVE TRAILERS OR THIS, THAT, AND OTHER STORED IN PLACES THAT AREN'T REALLY A USE FOR THAT.

BUT IT'S, BUT AS CHAIRMAN, UH, HENRY SAID, OR VICE SUPER, VICE VICE, SORRY, LAST, SORRY, MY APOLOGIES.

HE SAID PRETTY MUCH THE AG DISTRICT WAS A FALLOUT FOR ANY PROPERTY.

IT WASN'T ALREADY ZONED FOR SOMETHING ELSE.

AND ANOTHER QUESTION CAME UP TO SAY, YOU KNOW, WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL, UH, AREA, YOU KNOW, OR BUY A PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT'S ZONED COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL.

SO I'M A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER AND

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BUT HOWEVER, I DO HAVE ENOUGH CAPITAL TO PURCHASE THE PROPERTY AND RUN A RESPECTFUL CLEAN BUSINESS.

UH, IF YOU'VE, IF YOU'VE DRIVEN BY THERE, YOU'LL SEE AND UNDERSTAND WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M COMING FROM AS WELL.

YOU, YOU WANT TO, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE'RE EVEN THERE.

UH, NO ONE'S EVER A COMPLAINT OR, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, WE, AGAIN, WE RUN IN A VERY CLEAN BUSINESS.

BUT THE FLIP SIDE OF THIS IS THAT YOU TELL ME NO, THEN I'LL TAKE ALL MY REVENUE AND I'LL HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER COUNTY.

'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE SPACE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY FOR ME TO, FOR ME TO BUY OR FOR ME TO AFFORD.

BUT I CAN BUY A PROPERTY IN ANOTHER, IN ADJACENT COUNTY AND TAKE MY TAX DOLLARS AND PUT 'EM OVER THERE.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT IF YOU KNOW THE IMPLICATION OF THAT.

I'M NOT GONNA SAY THAT RIGHT HERE, BUT I'D BE WILLING TO TELL YOU BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.

THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A SMALL SUM.

MM-HMM .

YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES WE HAVE, WE HAVE 50 VEHICLES REGISTERED IN WARREN COUNTY.

SO I THINK YOU CAN KIND OF DO THE MATH ON YOUR OWN VEHICLE IF YOU DIDN'T HAVE THAT TAX RELIEF ON THAT.

SO BASICALLY I'M JUST ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO DO WHAT I'M ALREADY DOING.

WE'D LIKE TO PURCHASE A PROPERTY, WE WANNA KEEP OUR BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY, SO.

ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT, THA THANK YOU SIR.

YES SIR.

IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE SIGNED UP? NO SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

SO DO I HAVE A, UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION FIRST? I'D JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS, UM, MR. MR TON'S COMMENT.

THIS IS, I JUST WANNA CONFIRM IT TOO BECAUSE I'M PRETTY, THIS IS, THIS IS THE WAY THIS IS BEING SET UP.

THIS IS BEING SET UP AS BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITHIN AGRICULTURAL CORRECT BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH A FULL SCREEN AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENT AS WELL.

AND, AND THAT MEANS BASICALLY THAT, UM, THE NEXT, IF, IF X COMES ALONG AND THEY GET PERMISSION, THEN Y COMES ALONG.

IT WILL BE DEPENDENT ON THEIR SERVICES.

THEY'RE ALL GOING THROUGH YOU.

YEP.

HEARING, UM, BUILDING SERVICES ESTABLISHMENT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD.

I DO, I DO WANT TO SAY THAT I THINK ONE OF MY NEIGHBORS WORKS FOR YOU.

SO, ALRIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION MR. CHAIRMAN? UH, LET'S SEE HERE.

I LOST IT.

THERE IT IS.

FILING PROPOSED ZONING ORNAMENTS AMENDMENTS ARE APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC DESTINY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WELFARE AND ARE GOOD ZONING PRACTICE.

I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE AMENDMENT.

I A SECOND.

I'LL SECOND IT.

ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS.

SO SECOND, WE'VE GOT, UH, PUBLIC

[J. Public Hearing: CUP2025-07-06 - Building Service Establishment - 3812 Guard Hill Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a building service establishment. The property is located at 3812 Guard Hill Road and is identified on tax map 20 as lot 20. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR FOR BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 38 12 GUARD HILL ROAD.

THE APPLICANT, THE PRESIDENT OF A LOCAL HVAC AND PLUMBING COMPANY, WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A SECONDARY SUPPORT FACILITY FOR HIS BUSINESS IN TOWN FOR THE STORAGE OF RESIDENTIAL H, HVAC AND PLUMBING SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT AND MATERIALS, AND FOR THE STAGING OF UNITS TO BE HAULED OFFSITE FOR INSTALLATIONS.

UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE APPLICANT CONCURRENTLY FILE FOR A ZONING TAX AMENDMENT, WHICH WAS APPROVED.

UH, THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER ZONING DISTRICT.

IT'S 2.75 ACRES.

UH, IT HAS HAD MULTIPLE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED SINCE 1980.

IN 1980 THERE WAS A SALES SERVICE AND RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT DID EXPIRE IN 1988.

THERE WAS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVED FOR WAREHOUSING AND ENCLOSED STORAGE WHERE THE ENCLOSED STORAGE IS ACTUALLY STILL ACTIVE.

IN 1991, A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS APPROVED THAT ACTUALLY DID EXPIRE IN 1992.

SALES SERVICE AND RENTAL OF EQUIPMENT ALSO EXPIRED IN OH TWO.

UH, ARTISAN AND CRAFTSMAN FACILITY WAS NEVER ESTABLISHED AND THEN EXPIRED.

UH, IN 2006, A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING WAS ESTABLISHED.

AND, AND THAT ONE IS STILL ACTIVE.

PROPERTY IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY ROBERT AND VIVIAN LAKE, WHO CONTINUE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A COMMERCIAL REPAIR GARAGE IN FOR ENCLOSED STORAGE.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY A POINT, UM, HI.

UM, THE, THE APPLICANT'S USE OF THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY, UH, FALLS WITHIN THE ENCLOSED STORAGE.

SO HE IS NOT IN VIOLATION OR ANYTHING, HE'S JUST TRYING TO NO LONGER RENT OUT.

UH, THE STORAGE.

I WILL FORGIVE GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS AS WE JUST COVERED THAT.

UM, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.

IT WAS UNANIMOUS WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.

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CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE AGENCY REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.

NUMBER TWO, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ON SITE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AS DETERMINED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING OR THE OPERATION PERMIT ISSUED FOR THE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM, WHICHEVER IS LESSER.

NUMBER THREE, ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RETAIL SALES.

SALES SHALL BE PROHIBITED.

NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN INCLUDING SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON INGRESS, EGRESS BUILDING LOCATIONS, OFF STREET PARKING, STORAGE, STAGING AREAS WITH SETBACK DISTANCES TO PROPERTY LINES LABELED SCREENING, LANDSCAPING, OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE PLANNING.

STAFF SHALL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.

NUMBER FIVE, AREAS USED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE OR STAGING OF EQUIPMENT SHALL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW AND SHALL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET FROM ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES.

AND NUMBER 60 HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY.

THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE OF COURSE.

IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US, SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AGAIN OR, I MAY WAIT.

THERE'S NO NEED FOR YOU TO, I I'M NOT SURE THERE'S A NEED, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS, ANY, ANY QUESTIONS BY THE BOARD? THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK LEWIS OAK NORTH RIVER? UH, I'D SUPPORT THIS.

I THINK THAT WE NEED TO LET HIM BE ABLE TO WORK ON WEEKENDS FOR EMERGENCIES OR SOMETHING, BUT YEAH, IT LOOKS GOOD TO ME.

HEARING, UH, FOR REZONING OF AGRICULTURAL A AND COMMERCIAL C TO INDUSTRIAL, I, UH, TAX ME NUMBER 12, UM, REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY, UH, ZONING MAP TO, UH, REZONE THE TAX MAP.

WOULD ANYBODY ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE.

THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS IS NOW CLOSED.

DO I HAVE A, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION? SURE.

UM, BEFOREHAND, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT UH, IT IS KIND OF A NORM NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE.

UM, AS A KID I CAN REMEMBER THE REPAIR SHOP AND STUFF THERE.

THE, UH, THE LAKES WERE A VERY GOOD STEWARD OF THE CUP PROCESS.

I MEAN, THEY ALWAYS COME IN AND GOT TO WRITE STUFF.

DID A VERY GOOD JOB IN THAT.

UH, IT'S, IT IS ONE OF THE PLACES THAT, UH, CUP WORKS PERFECTLY.

SO, UM, SAYING THAT, UM, A MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AT 3 8 1 2 GUARD HILL ROAD WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.

I HAVE A SECOND ROLL CALL.

MR. STAN MEYER? AYE MRS. ERS AYE.

OKAY, NEXT WE'VE GOT A PUBLIC

[K. Public Hearing: R2025-03-01 - Rezoning from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (I) - Tax Map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and a Portion of 4--------45B - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone tax map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and a portion of 4--------45B from Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) to Industrial (I). - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ]

THANK YOU MR. CHAIR.

THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP AND REZONE 28.23139 ACRES FROM AGRICULTURAL AND COMMERCIAL TO INDUSTRIAL.

THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT ZERO WINCHESTER ROAD 65 60 WINCHESTER ROAD, 66 44 WINCHESTER ROAD AND 67 20 WINCHESTER ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA.

THEY'RE ALL ALL ADJACENT TO EACH OTHER AND ARE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 AS LOT SIX F AND ON TAX MAP FOUR AS LOTS 44 B 43 A AND 45 B PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND ALL FOUR PARCELS ARE LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND A PORTION OF LOT SIX F IS LOCATED WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.

THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING THE PROPOSED REZONING TO INDUSTRIAL FOR THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING WITH ASSOCIATED PARKING AREAS.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR THE NECESSARY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO ALLOW FOR A BUILDING IN EXCESS OF 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.

A 2.63491 ACRE PORTION OF LOT 45 B HAS BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE REZONING REQUEST TO MAINTAIN THE CURRENT COMMERCIAL ZONING DESIGNATION FOR THE FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF AN AUTOMOBILE FILLING STATION OR ANOTHER COMMERCIAL USE THAT WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE PROPOSED INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.

THE INTENDED USE IS A WAREHOUSING SLASH DIS DISTRIBUTION FACILITY, WHICH IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.

HOWEVER, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING

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FLEXIBILITY TO DEVELOP THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES WITH ANY OTHER LISTED PERMITTED LAND USE UNDER THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS.

GIVEN THAT THE TOTAL BUILDING SIZE WILL NOT EXCEED 220,000 SQUARE FEET, THE PROPERTIES WILL BE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LOT WITH A BOUNDARY LINE ADJUSTMENT TO SEPARATE THE AREA TO REMAIN ZONED COMMERCIAL INTO ITS OWN SEPARATE PARCEL.

AS FAR AS LOCATION, THIS PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM THE JAIL, I BELIEVE, UH, UP ON, UP IN OFF OF WINCHESTER ROAD.

UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE WERE A FEW, UH, HOUSES LEFT OVER ON THOSE PROPERTIES AND THOSE WOULD BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.

UH, SO FOR THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP DOES IDENTIFY THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES TO BE USED FOR INDUSTRIAL LAND USES WITH INDUSTRIAL ZONING.

SO THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SINCE THE PROPERTY DESIGNATION DESIGNATIONS MATCH THE, UH, REQUESTED REZONING.

THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR A VARIETY OF INDUSTRIAL USES, WHICH WITH APPROPRIATE SCREENING AND WITHOUT THE EMISSION OF NOISE, DUST, SMOKE, ODOR, TOXIC GASES OR HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES CAN BE CONDUCTED IN SUCH A MANNER AS TO NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT NEARBY PROPERTIES.

THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT DATED, UH, FEBRUARY 4TH WAS REVISED, UH, A FEW TIMES AND, BUT IT HAS BEEN, UH, SIGNED IN FINAL FORM INCLUDES RESTRICTIONS ON SPECIFIC LAND.

USES A 220 SQUARE FOOT RESTRICTION ON BUILDING SIZE, UH, MONETARY CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY FOR FIRE AND RESCUE PURPOSES BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE BUILDING.

IT'S DUE PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE BUILDING AND OTHER SITE DESIGN CRITERIA.

UH, AS STATED, A REVISED PROFFER STATEMENT WAS RECEIVED IN AUGUST AND A FINAL UH, UH, VERSION WAS RECEIVED ON SEPTEMBER 15TH AND IT JUST HAS A REVISION FOR CLARIFICATION ONLY.

UH, THIS APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT TO THE FOLLOWING AGENCIES, UH, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VDOT OR DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, THE RSW REGIONAL JAIL AND RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.

ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED REGARDING THIS REQUEST WERE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET.

THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO APPLIED FOR AND RECEIVED, UH, APPROVAL FROM THE FRONT ROYAL TOWN COUNCIL FOR WITH THEIR REVISED OUT OF TOWN.

UTILITY CONNECTION APPLICATION FOR THE DEVELOPMENT WAS RECEIVED ON SEPTEMBER 22ND IS A MAXIMUM DAILY WATER USAGE OF 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY.

UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UH, HELD TWO PUBLIC HEARINGS FOR THIS OR RATHER THEY HELD ONE PUBLIC HEARING AND HELD IT OPEN, UM, AND CLOSED IT THE FOLLOWING MONTH.

THE APPLICANT AT THE TIME WAS, WAS STILL WORKING ON THEIR, THEIR PROFFERS AND WANTED THE CHANCE TO REVISE THOSE AND, AND BRING THEM BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION BEFORE PROCEEDING.

UH, ONCE THAT WAS DONE, UH, THE, ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND IT'S, THE RECOMMENDATION WAS, UH, UNANIMOUS.

OTHER THAN THAT, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE TODAY AND HE HAS A BRIEF PRESENTATION FOR YOU AS WELL.

WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK NOW ARE, ARE YOU THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY OR APPLICANT'S COUNTY? APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY.

AND, UM, I HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM THE, UH, APPLICANT HERE AS WELL THIS EVENING NEEDED.

COURSE WE ENJOYED STAFF SUPPORT THROUGHOUT THIS.

UM, SO GOOD EVENING.

NICHOLAS CUMMINGS HERE AT THE WALSH COLUCCI, UH, LAND USE ATTORNEY HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT, WHICH IS STAFFORD ONE INVESTMENTS.

HOPEFULLY I CAN USE THIS REMOTE.

IT SEEMS SIMPLE ENOUGH WITH THESE ARROWS ON IT.

UM, THIS IS A VERY BASIC PRESENTATION.

I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU GUYS A BRIEF OVERVIEW.

FIRST THING I WANT TO SAY THOUGH, UM, I APPRECIATE THE STAFF SUMMARY AND ALL OF THEIR WORK ON THIS MATTER.

I ALSO WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO SAY, AND I SAID THIS AT PLANNING COMMISSION AS WELL.

EVERYONE OUR TEAM HAS WORKED WITH AND INTERACTED WITH IN WARREN COUNTY, UM, HAS BEEN FANTASTIC.

WE'VE BEEN WELCOMED IN WITH OPEN ARMS AND REALLY FEEL THAT THIS LOCALITY SUPPORTS INVESTMENT AND NEW BUSINESS AND THAT IS MEANINGFUL 'CAUSE THAT ATTITUDE IS NOT THE SAME ACROSS THE REGION, BUT IT'S HERE.

AND I CAN PROMISE YOU THAT WORD SPREADS AND, UM, I HELP SPREAD THAT BECAUSE I TALK WITH FOLKS WHO ARE LOOKING TO DO THINGS AND WHEN THEY HEAR THAT THIS IS A GREAT PLACE BECAUSE IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE, I, IT DOES MEAN SOMETHING.

AND SO I WANT SAY THANK YOU TO EVERYBODY 'CAUSE IT MEANT A LOT TO US TOO.

UM, I THINK THAT, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, SUMMARIZED THE APPLICATION FAIRLY WELL.

I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, PUT VERY BRIEFLY A 28 ACRE ASSEMBLAGE, UH, WEST SIDE OF, UH, WINCHESTER ROAD EAST OF CROOKED RUN.

WE WERE ABLE TO HAVE THE JAIL, UH, RIGHT THERE.

WE WERE ABLE TO SECURE AN EASEMENT FROM THEM TO BRING A WATER LINE ACROSS, WHICH IS, UH, WAS VERY HELPFUL.

THEY WERE COOPERATIVE AS WELL.

WITH THIS, UM, WE ARE PROPOSING A ROUGHLY 220,000 SQUARE FOOT INDUSTRIAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING.

ALSO A, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, UM, TO ALLOW FOR A BUILDING OVER AT 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE, UH, HC OVERLAY DISTRICT.

UM, ALL OF THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OF

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UM, OUR PLANS ARE IN THESE SLIDES HERE, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN SEE THE, UH, SUBJECT PROPERTY HIGHLIGHTED THE SURROUNDING, UH, ZONING DISTRICTS AND USES.

THIS IS OBVIOUSLY WITHIN THE OVERLAY.

THIS IS WHERE THE COUNTY IS WELCOMING IN THESE TYPES OF USES.

UM, NEXT SLIDE.

THIS SHOWS YOU SOME OF THE TOPOGRAPHY HERE.

UM, EXISTING CONDITIONS ON THE SITE.

UH, IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO SEE FROM HERE AND I THINK THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR DESCRIBED IT AS WELL.

BUT THERE ARE SOME EXISTING STRUCTURES ON SITE, OLD SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SOME CHICKEN COOPS SHEDS, THINGS LIKE THAT REFLECTING A PRIOR IS AGRICULTURAL PROPERTY.

IT IS LEFT, UH, OPEN AND UNUSED RIGHT NOW.

THERE'S A FLOOD ZONE ON THE SOUTHWESTERN SIDE OF THE SITE, THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF THIS PAGE THAT WE ARE NOT TOUCHING EITHER AS WELL.

I KEEP RUNNING THROUGH THESE.

THERE MIGHT BE A BETTER SLIDE TO LEAVE THIS ON.

UH, THIS GIVES YOU THE ROUGH LAYOUT OF, UH, UH, OF THE GDP THAT WE, UH, SUBMITTED WITH, UH, THE APPLICATION.

YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S AMPLE ROOM FOR PARKING, SOME LANDSCAPING PROPOSED, AND OF COURSE THE BUILDING WOULD BE IN THE CENTER.

UM, AS YOU WELL KNOW SEEING THESE REZONINGS, WE COME IN WITH A VERY SORT OF BASIC PLAN AT THIS STAGE.

WE'LL GO TO SITE PLAN WHEN WE HAVE AN END USER, UM, ON BOARD.

AND THEN FROM THERE THIS WILL BECOME MUCH MORE DETAILED AND FLUSHED OUT.

LIKE I SAID, WE ARE ANTICIPATING AND I MAY HAVE JUST TURNED THIS WHOLE THING OFF, THAT'S FINE.

UM, WE ARE ANTICIPATING WAREHOUSE USE.

WE'RE OPEN TO ANY SORT OF, UH, LATE INDUSTRIAL MANUFACTURING USE.

UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE GREAT.

THERE HAVE BEEN SOME RECENT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WINS, I THINK BY THE GOVERNOR IN PARTICULAR.

I KNOW THAT THERE WAS THE ELI LILLY FACILITY.

OBVIOUSLY NOT LOCAL HERE, BUT HEY, UM, ANYTHING LIKE THAT WOULD BE WELCOME HERE TOO.

WE WOULD BE THRILLED.

I THINK THE CLIENT'S ALREADY STARTED TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO END USERS.

THERE IS SOME INTEREST, BUT NOTHING TO SHARE SPECIFIC ON THAT YET.

UM, WE DID HAVE SOME CONSTERNATION OVER THE OUT OF TOWN UTILITY CONNECTION REQUEST.

I'M SMILING AND EVERYTHING TURNED OUT FINE.

UM, CERTAINLY THE STAFF THERE WERE INCREDIBLY HELPFUL AND I THINK THAT ONCE THE TOWN COUNCIL UNDERSTOOD WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY PROPOSING TO DO, EVERYTHING WAS FINE.

UM, THERE WERE SOME FINAL CLEANUP CHANGES ON THE PROFFERS.

I THINK THAT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, UH, DESCRIBED THOSE, UH, SUCCINCTLY ON THE CUP CONDITIONS, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAYS.

BUT I'M UP HERE SO I MIGHT AS WELL JUST SAY THIS VERY BRIEFLY.

WE DID MAKE, UM, SOME FINAL CHANGES ON THOSE.

WE CLARIFIED CONDITION FIVE AND WE MADE A SIMILAR, UH, CHANGE, UM, TO THE PROFFERS TO, UH, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR REMINDED ME THAT UNDER YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, UM, DEVELOPMENT IS DEFINED TO, UH, BROADLY INCLUDE ANY SORT OF IMPROVEMENT ON THE PROPERTY.

SO WHEN WE SAT IN THE PROFFERS AND THE COP CONDITIONS THAT WE WERE RESTRICTED TO 220,000 SQUARE FEET OF DEVELOPED AREA OR DEVELOPED NET THAT COULD BE READ TO MEAN 220,000 SQUARE FEET OF IMPACTED LAND ACROSS THE ENTIRE SITE.

AND BECAUSE THERE'S LANDSCAPING, THERE'S UH, YOU KNOW, SITE CLEARING, THERE'S PARKING, IT WOULD BE THE WHOLE APPLICATION JUST WOULDN'T FUNCTION IF IT WERE APPROVED AS SUCH.

SO WE HAD TO MAKE SOME EDITS.

THAT'S REALLY ALL THAT'S GOING ON THERE IS TO CLARIFY THAT IT, IT, THE 220,000 SQUARE FEET WAS INTENDED TO RESTRICT THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING CONSISTENT WITH THE INTENT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS REQUIRED FOR ANYTHING OVER 50,000 SQUARE FEET IN THE OVERLAY.

SO I THINK WE FIXED THAT.

WE ALSO PROPOSED TO FIX IT IN THE SUB.

UM, WE ALSO ASKED TO ELIMINATE A PARKING RESTRICTION IN THE CONDITIONS.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE DON'T THINK THAT WE'LL BE PROVIDING PARKING AT BASICALLY EXACTLY THAT RATE.

IT'S THAT THE ZONING ORDINANCE WOULD APPLY, UM, THE MANUFACTURING PARKING RATIO TO EITHER A WAREHOUSE OR TO ANY SORT OF SIMILAR LIKE INDUSTRIAL USE WE COULD PROPOSE.

UM, AND SO THAT TWO SPACES PER WORKER INTENDED TO ACCOMMODATE SHIFTS ARRIVING AND SHIFTS LEAVING IS ALMOST CERTAINLY GONNA BE THE PARKING RATIO APPLIED BY THE COUNTY.

AND SO MY PREFERENCE IS NOT TO DOUBLE THAT UP AND HAVE A RATIO IN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AS A CONDITION AS WELL.

I'D RATHER JUST HAVE THE ZONING ORDINANCE GOVERN THAT IT'S CLEANER.

'CAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT COULD CHANGE OR WHAT COULD COME UP.

MAYBE THERE'S A DIFFERENT RATIO ESTABLISHED FOR WAREHOUSE USES BY THE TIME WE GO TO SITE PLAN.

WHO KNOWS? SO THAT'S JUST A MORE RESPONSIBLE WAY TO TREAT THE CONDITIONS IN MY VIEW.

UM, WITH THAT, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD TO SAY, BUT WE'RE HERE FOR QUESTIONS AND AGAIN, EXCITED TO BE A PART OF YOUR COMMUNITY.

DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I I DO.

UM, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR DIAGRAM OF YOUR BUILDING THE PARKING LOT.

WHERE IS THE LOADING DOCK? I DON'T THINK THAT AT THIS STAGE, BUT I CAN BRING ON, UM, MY CLIENT TO CONFIRM THIS.

BUT WHEN WE DRAW THIS OUT AT THIS LEVEL OF DETAIL, I'M NOT SURE THAT WE PLACE A LOADING DOCK AT THIS STAGE.

I THINK THAT MIGHT HAPPEN IN SITE PLAN.

I KNOW THAT OTHER LOCALITIES WHERE WE HAVE MUCH STRICTER FILING REQUIREMENTS, FOR EXAMPLE, IN ARLINGTON YOU HAVE TO DESIGN THE ENTIRE BUILDING.

I WOULD KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THE LOADING DOCK IS, HOW DEEP IT IS, AND WHERE IT'S, HOW MANY YOU HAVE.

I I SEE WHERE IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, LANDSCAPING AND YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF THING.

SO I JUST LOOKING AT IT AND TRYING TO FIGURE IF IT'S, UM, MANUFACTURING OR WAREHOUSE THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LOADING AND UNLOADING AND YOU KNOW,

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I DON'T SEE A LOADING DOCK.

SO YEAH.

AND SO THAT ALL WOULD BE REFINED AT SITE PLAN.

'CAUSE ONCE WE BRING IN A USER, UM, THEY'RE GOING TO TELL US WHAT THEY NEED AS FAR AS THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURE AND THE EXACT DESIGN OF IT.

AND THEN WE WOULD WORK WITH YOUR STAFF.

SOMETIMES YOU NEED A CHANGE TO THE ACTUAL ENTITLEMENT MEANING MM-HMM THE CUP OR THE PROPER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

AND IF WE NEED THAT, WE WOULD COME BACK TO YOU.

BUT HOPEFULLY IT'S THE SORT OF THING WE WOULD REFINE AT SITE PLAN.

SO, SO CHASE, WHEN, WHEN YOU GET PLANS LIKE THIS AND IF IT'S GONNA BE A MANUFACTURING OR IF IT'S GONNA BE SOME TYPE OF WAREHOUSE, SHOULDN'T THAT BE ON THE ORIGINAL PLANS? SO IT DEPENDS.

SO THIS IS BEFORE YOU SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE THE BUILDING PROPOSED BUILDING SIZE IS, EXCEEDS THAT 50,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, THRESHOLD.

BUT, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BECAUSE IF IT'S GONNA JUST LIKE MS. COLOR SAID IF IT'S GONNA BE A WAREHOUSE OR IF IT'S GONNA BE A, A MANUFACTURING FACILITY OF, THERE'S NO PLACE TO TO, TO BRING ANYTHING IN.

I KNOW THAT THERE'S ONE ON THE, UH, NORTH SIDE OF WINCHESTER THAT THEY JUST OPENED.

IT'S ABOUT THIS SIZE.

AND UH, AND I TOOK A TOUR OF IT AND IT WAS, UH, I MEAN THAT THING WAS LOADED WITH LOADING DOCKS.

UM, SO, UH, WHAT I WAS GETTING AT WAS THAT IF IT WERE 50,000 SQUARE FEET OR LESS OR LOCATED OUTSIDE OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH YOU AT ALL.

IT WOULD BE BY RIGHT.

AND SO THEY WOULD JUST SUBMIT A FULL SITE PLAN.

SO THIS IS REALLY A PRELIMINARY ACTION TO ENSURE THAT THEY CAN PROCEED WITH THIS SITE PLAN.

I'M NOT FOLLOWING THAT.

SO, UM, THE, THE SITE PLAN PROCESS IS WHAT, WHERE THEY DRAW OUT ALL OF THESE PLANS? YEAH, THAT'S WHERE YOU GET VDOT INVOLVED AND EVERYONE, ALL THE ENTRANCES, EVERYTHING'S REFINED.

UM, AND THEN ONCE IT'S FINALIZED, THEY GOTTA BUILD IT EXACTLY HOW THE SITE PLAN SHOWS.

AND SO, UM, THAT'S A LOT OF WORK AND IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE.

AND SO THIS IS REALLY A PRELIMINARY REVIEW IF, IF THIS IS A GOOD LOCATION FOR THAT BUILDING SIZE.

SO THE DETAILS OF THE SITE WILL BE COVERED IN THE SITE PLAN PHASE.

MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, THAT, UH, IT, IT DOESN'T HAVE AN END USER, SO IT COULD BE, UH, WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION.

IT COULD BE LIKE MANUFACTURING, IT COULD BE ANYTHING BY WRITING OR INDUSTRIAL ZONE.

AND THEN WHEN THEY GET TO END USER, UH, THE, THE, THE FINE POINT ON THE DESIGN WILL BE SUITED, UH, SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT USER.

AND THEN AT THAT TIME, STAFF WOULD, WOULD PUT A FINAL REVIEW ON THAT, UH, TO MAKE SURE IT MET R CODES AND, UH, V DOTS, IF, IF THAT HELPS ANY, IS THERE ANY PROHIBITION AGAINST, UM, UM, DATA CENTERS FROM THE P YOU VERIFY THIS WITH STAFF, BUT, UH, UM, DATA CENTERS ARE NOT LISTED AS A BY RIGHT.

USE IN OUR INDUSTRIAL ZONE.

OKAY, GOOD.

AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE IN OUR CUP, BUT, UH, I APPRECIATE YOU.

YEAH, NO, THAT'S CORRECT.

IT'S NOT LISTED OR DEFINED AT ALL IN OUR ZONING ORDINANCE, SO THERE WILL NEED TO BE A TEXT AMENDMENT TO ADD IT BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE.

UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING AS WELL FOR WHAT IT, FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH.

BECAUSE YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS COUNTY DOES NOT WANT DATA CENTERS.

OH, WE HEARD.

UM, AND I'M WELL AWARE.

UM, AND WHILE I COULD HAVE A POLICY DISCUSSION ON HOW TO PROPERLY SCREEN THEM, ET CETERA, I THINK WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S NOT A PERMITTED USE HERE.

AND THAT WAS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE WERE PURSUING WITH THIS, NOR IS IT ANYTHING I'VE HEARD PEOPLE TRYING TO PURSUE UP AND DOWN THIS CORRIDOR.

WHAT I'VE HEARD GENERALLY, AND THIS FITS RIGHT IN WITH THE THEME OF WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE, IS THAT, UM, THE PUSH FOR DATA IN, UH, PRINCE WILLIAM AND LOUD A LITTLE BIT IN FAIRFAX, CERTAINLY IN OTHER COUNTIES, IS PUSHING A LOT OF THE INDUSTRIAL USERS WHO PREVIOUSLY USED THOSE PROPERTIES OUT TO YOU.

AND SO I WAS HAVING A CONVERSATION WITH ANOTHER APPLICANT WHO'S LOOKING ACTUALLY AT A PROPERTY IN WARREN COUNTY AS WELL.

AND THAT IS THEIR EXACT EXPERIENCE IS THAT THEY'RE SEEING MORE INTEREST IN WAREHOUSING, DISTRIBUTION, LIGHT MANUFACTURING, THAT TYPE OF STUFF FURTHER OUT FROM WHERE DATA HAD BEEN LOCATED OR IS LOCATED.

'CAUSE THEY'RE PRICED OUT OF THOSE OTHER SITES.

BECAUSE I, I KNOW THE, THE BIGGEST CONCERN FOR THIS COUNTY IS, UH, IT, IT'S, IT, IT IS, UM, A, UH, IT'S THE RESOURCES THAT, UH, THAT THESE, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE WATER, IT'S THE ELECTRICAL.

AND THAT'S NOT, NOT ONLY FOR, UH, DATA CENTERS, BUT YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF MANUFACTURING THAT COME IN AND, AND, UH, USE AN EXCESSIVE AMOUNT TO WHERE, UH, FOLKS, YOU KNOW, THEY WAKE UP ONE DAY BECAUSE MOST OF EVERYBODY OUT IN THE COUNTY IS ON, UH, IS ON.

WELL, AND I'M SURE THAT, UH, MS. COLORS WOULD NOT WANT TO WAKE UP ONE DAY AND, AND TURN ON THAT FAUCET AND NOTHING COME OUT OR ROUTES IT'S ALL BROWN AND YUCKY STUFF.

AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A DATA CENTER OR IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT IS GOING TO PUT AN EXCESS OF STRAIN ON THE, UH, THE, THE COUNTY'S RESOURCES.

YOU KNOW, THE, UH, SO THAT, THAT'S, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE WELCOME THIS TYPE OF, UH, BUT

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AGREED.

AND I GREW UP ON WELL WATER AS WELL OUT IN THE WOODS IN CONNECTICUT.

AND I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS A KID, MY MOM WOULD BE TELLING US TO LIMIT THE SHOWERS, ET CETERA.

'CAUSE WE WERE ALWAYS WORRIED ABOUT IT GOING TOO, UH, TOO LOW IN A DROUGHT.

SO I GREW UP WITH THAT IN MY MIND AND, UM, LOVE TO HEAR IT, UH, AGREED.

AND WE LIMITED THE SCOPE OF OUR WATER CONNECTION APPLICATION.

AND THE CONSTERNATION OVER THAT REALLY CAME, I THINK FROM THE SPHERE THAT, 'CAUSE WE HAD A REALLY BIG NUMBER ON IT INITIALLY, AND WE WERE NOT TRYING TO SHOEHORN IN SOMETHING THAT WE COULDN'T DO.

IT WAS LITERALLY JUST THAT IT WAS ME AND THE APPLICANT TRYING TO FIGURE OUT USING GOOGLE HOW MANY TOILETS YOU MIGHT HAVE IN ANY ONE OF 50 DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.

'CAUSE YOU COULD HAVE A DISTRIBUTION CENTER WITH A LARGE STAFF OF PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, WITH 20 LOADING DOCKS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

OR YOU COULD HAVE LIGHT MANUFACTURING THAT'S MORE ROBOTIC OR SOMETHING, AND SUDDENLY YOU NEED LESS WATER.

SO WE JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHAT TO PUT IN THAT APPLICATION.

AND IF THERE WAS A BOX TO CHECK FOR, I PROMISE IT'S NOT DATA WE WOULD'VE DONE THAT.

IT WOULD'VE HELPED.

I MIGHT'VE DRIVEN DOWN HERE A FEW FEWER TIMES.

YOU HIT ON ONE OF MY QUESTIONS, BUT THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT ORIGINAL NUMBER WAS LARGE.

I I THINK IT WAS 56,460 GALLONS PER DAY.

AND I BLAME MY CLIENT FOR THAT, FOR, I, I'M KIDDING A LITTLE BIT, BUT LIKE, WE JUST CAME UP WITH A NUMBER USING THE BEST TOOLS WE HAD.

BUT IT'S NOT THE FOLKS WHO WERE WORKING ON IT KNOW HOW TO PUT THESE PLANS TOGETHER AND KNOW HOW TO, YOU KNOW, SCOPE A SITE FOR A POTENTIAL USER.

WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY EXPERTS ON PLUMBING FOR, UM, INDUSTRIAL FACILITIES.

AND SO IT WAS REALLY JUST OUR MISTAKE.

SO NOW THE TOWN HAS APPROVED 4,500 GALLONS PER DAY, AND YOU ARE SAYING THAT THAT 4,500 WILL MEET ALL THE NEEDS.

SO LIKE THERE ARE EXISTING WELLS ON SOME OF THOSE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT WOULD BE CONSOLIDATED.

THOSE, AND MAYBE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR YOU, CHASE, BUT THOSE, WHEN, WHEN ALL THOSE PROPERTIES ARE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE INDUSTRIAL ZONE LOT, THOSE EXISTING RESIDENTIAL WELLS WOULD BE RETIRED.

RIGHT? THEY WOULD NOT SOMEHOW GIVE ADDITIONAL WATER CAPACITY TO THIS PROPERTY OVER AND ABOVE THE 4,500 FROM THE TOWN.

SO CERTAINLY NOT WITHOUT SOME SORT OF MODIFICATION PERMIT FROM THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

UM, I DON'T BELIEVE IT WAS THEIR INTENTION TO USE THE WELLS FOR THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, USE OF THE PROPERTY.

UM, SO IF THEY WERE TO ABANDON THEM, THEY WOULD ALSO DO THAT THROUGH THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.

UM, ANO A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT ORIGINAL APPLICATION.

AND THIS MAY HAVE BEEN THE, THE WATER APPLICATION TO THE TOWN.

IT WAS, YEAH.

BUT THERE WERE SEVERAL IRREGULARITIES WITH IT.

I THINK, UH, IT HAD THE WRONG ADDRESS ORIGINALLY AND EN LISTED SOMEWHERE ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY OVER BY OUR CVS DRUGSTORE, WHICH, UH, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT WAS, BUT IT, IT SEEMED LIKE MAYBE IT WAS A HEAD FAKE TO SOMEONE.

AND, AND, UH, IT WAS LITERALLY JUST A MISTAKE.

AND I'LL TELL YOU GUYS THAT I APOLOGIZE, IT WAS SOMETHING I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT AND I'LL JUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR IT AS THE LEAD ATTORNEY ON IT.

UM, SO, AND YOU'RE SAYING NOW THAT YOU DON'T HAVE A TENANT YET, SO THAT'S SORT OF TBD.

WHICH RELATES TO YOUR REQUEST FOR THE PARKING SPACE REQUIREMENT TO BE, UH, A FORMULA AND NOT A FIXED NUMBER.

BUT, UH, THERE ARE THINGS HERE THAT MAKE, UM, A SKEPTICAL PERSON THINK MAYBE THIS IS A DATA CENTER IN DISGUISE.

YOU KNOW, SO I, I UNDERSTAND AND I'M HAPPY TO FINALLY HAVE THE CONVERSATION KIND OF OPENLY AND IN PUBLIC WHERE WE CAN HAVE IT.

BECAUSE THERE WERE MOMENTS WHEN THAT WATER APPLICATION WAS BUBBLING UP WHERE I WISHED I COULD HAVE INTERJECTED MORE.

BUT THE PUBLIC HEARING OPPORTUNITIES AND WHAT IS OTHERWISE ALMOST AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS OVER THERE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN.

I ATTENDED WORK, UH, SESSIONS WHERE I WAS TRYING TO CHIRP UP, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T OPEN, UM, THAT TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

BUT YEAH, THERE'S NO INTENTION TO SHOEHORN ANYTHING IN HERE.

THIS WAS REALLY JUST A TYPICAL INDUSTRIAL APPLICATION.

AND THE, UM, AND SO, SO WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ANTICIPATING IS, IS THAT AS THE, UH, AS THE RESOURCE IS OVER IN THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA, AS THOSE, AS THOSE GET, UH, UH, SUCKED UP BY THE, THE, UH, DATA CENTERS AND THOSE, THOSE BUSINESSES ARE BEGINNING TO LOOK FOR A PLACE THAT THEY CAN, THAT THEY CAN RELOCATE TO, YOU'RE SAYING, OKAY, WELL WHAT IF WE BUILD IT, THEY WILL COME? YES.

A ROLE YOU GUYS CAN FILL, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T WANT DATA.

THAT'S THE THEORY HERE.

AND I THINK THAT YOU'RE GONNA SEE OTHER FOLKS COME IN WITH THE SAME THEORY.

UM, BECAUSE ALL OF THAT CONSTRUCTION ALONE THAT IS GOING ON, NOT JUST FOR DATA, BUT ALSO ALSO FOR HOUSING.

I MEAN, I'M IN A BAD HOUSING MARKET.

I'M STILL DOING TONS OF APPLICATIONS FOR NEW HOUSING.

UM, THERE'S A LOT OF SUPPORT THAT IS NEEDED FOR ALL OF THOSE SURFACES.

UM, YOU KNOW, I'M WORKING ON AN APPLICATION IN, UM, UH, A NEARBY COUNTY FOR A CRANE STORAGE FACILITY.

YOU KNOW, ALL THOSE TALL, BIG, BIG CRANES, THOSE HAVE TO GET STORED SOMEWHERE TOO.

UM, SO ALL OF THOSE SORT OF SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE AMOUNT OF JUST GROWTH THAT YOU CONTINUE TO SEE BOTH IN DATA AND IN HOUSING ACROSS THE REGION.

I MEAN, THERE'S, THERE'S INTEREST AND I THINK THAT THAT'S SOME, THAT'S

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YOU DO WANT THAT.

THAT'S A GOOD THING.

UM, A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE, THE BUILDING AND, AND RECOGNIZING THAT THIS IS NOT A FINALIZED SITE PLAN.

IT'S A, IT'S A CONCEPT, BUT, UM, I'M NOT THE BEST AT SCALING DRAWINGS, BUT THAT DOESN'T LOOK TO ME QUITE AS BIG AS A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

IT LOOKS MAYBE LIKE, IT'S LIKE 70,000 SQUARE FEET.

SO I'M WONDERING WOULD THIS BE A THREE STORY BUILDING? IT'S A GREAT QUESTION FOR MY CLIENTS HERE, IF I CAN.

IS THAT OKAY? SURE.

CAN SHE JOIN US? OKAY.

THANK, OH, ABSOLUTELY.

GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY.

NOT AS TALL AS HIM.

MY NAME IS DEJA BURT.

I ACTUALLY LIVE IN 2 0 5 1 TWIN SIX LANE IN DUMP, FREEZE VIRGINIA OVER ON THE EAST SIDE.

I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT, UM, ALSO THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER.

AND I'M ACTUALLY THE LAND USE PLANNER WHO WORKED ON THE PROJECT.

SO I CAN EXPLAIN THE LAYOUT A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU GUYS.

I KNOW YOU HAD SOME QUESTIONS.

SO THAT ACTUALLY IS A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING.

UM, IT'S CONSIDERED ONE STORY.

I BELIEVE WE HAVE THAT LABELED.

UM, AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE A HEIGHT RESTRICTION THAT'S LABELED ON THE PLAN AS WELL.

SO WE'RE NOT INTENDED TO HAVE AN EIGHT STORY BUILDING ON YOU.

THANKS.

I WAS DOING BACK THE ENVELOPE MATH BASED ON THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, BUT THAT COULD JUST BE AN ARTIST DOING THE .

AND THEN TO ADDRESS THE QUESTION ABOUT LOADING.

YEAH, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE SOME STANDARDS THAT REQUIRE LOADING TO BE, UH, UH, AWAY FROM THE MAIN THOROUGHFARE.

SO WE DO HAVE THE LOADING CURRENTLY AS SHOWN IN THE BACK.

UM, AND THERE ARE LARGE TRAVEL WAYS WHERE THE TRUCKS CAN CIRCULATE IN THE BACK, UH, PREPARE THE, UM, WHAT I'M CALLING THE BACK IS SORT OF THE NORTHERN EDGE OF THE BUILDING.

THERE'S A LITTLE, UH, PATCHED AREA THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED CONCRETE.

SO THE LOADING WOULD HAPPEN IN THAT AREA, AND THEN THE TRUCKS WOULD CIRCULATE AROUND THE BAY, UH, CUL-DE-SAC AND THEN BACK ONTO THE MAIN HIGHWAY.

SO, UM, EVERYTHING IS GOING TO BE SHIELDED AWAY AND LANDSCAPED MM-HMM .

UM, SO WE RECOGNIZE THAT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S IMPORTANT TO WARREN COUNTY.

SO WE DEFINITELY WILL INCORPORATE THAT INTO THE SITE PLAN.

MM-HMM .

SURE.

UM, UM, I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS.

UH, I THINK THIS WAS MORE FOR, FOR OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, BUT YOU, YOU MAY .

UM, IS THERE ANY, DO WE HAVE ANY OBJECTIVE INFORMATION ABOUT THE, THE, UH, ADDITIONAL STRESS ON THE FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT THAT THIS, UH, FACILITY OF THIS SIZE AND ITS DISTANCE? DO WE HAVE ANY, ANYTHING THAT WE ANALYZE? YEAH.

REQUESTED COMMENTS FROM? SO BUILDING INSPECTIONS TYPICALLY COVERS LIKE THE SITE PLAN REVIEW PART OF THE PHASE.

AND IT WAS REALLY MOSTLY APPLICATION BASED.

UH, UM, COMMENTS NOT REALLY, UH, IMPACT SO MUCH.

UM, I DO KNOW THE, THE VOLUNTARY PROFFERS DO PUT FORWARD A, UH, $1,500 PER 1000 SQUARE FEET, UM, UH, MONETARY CONTRIBUTION TO THE COUNTY TO BE USED FOR FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES.

SO THAT IS AN ATTEMPT TO KIND OF MASSAGE SOME OF THOSE, UH, UH, CONCERNS.

AND I WAS ABLE TO CONFIRM THAT THAT NUMBER WAS A MATCH TO THE RUSH MARK ROCKLAND ROAD, UH, REZONING A FEW YEARS AGO.

1500 PER THOUSAND SQUARE FEET.

4,000.

CORRECT.

IS, IS THERE ANY BASIS FOR THAT? I MEAN, IS I, IN OTHER WORDS, WHAT I'M ASKING IS LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S A STRATEGIC, THE FIRE AND ARREST DEPARTMENT HAS A STRATEGIC PLAN BEING DEVELOPED.

IS THERE, IS THERE ANYTHING MAYBE IN THERE THAT PROVIDES SOME KIND OF OBJECTIVE BASIS FOR UNDERSTANDING THE IMPACT OF A 220,000 SQUARE FOOT FACILITY? 'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU MAY KNOW FROM JUST READING THE NEWS, BUT OUR FIRE AND RESCUE RESOURCES ARE SPREAD SO THIN.

AND SO WHEN WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT AN EXPANSION LIKE THIS, WHICH WE, WE WANT WITH INDUSTRIAL CAPACITY, BUT DO WE KNOW, DO WE HAVE AN IDEA FOR WHAT OBJECTIVELY SPEAKING, THE IMPACT ON OUR FIRE RESCUE SYSTEM IS? NO.

TYPICALLY IMPACT DETERMINATION IS, IS THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APPLICANT.

AND THAT'S WHAT THEY CONSIDER WHEN THEY PROBABLY PUT WHAT THEY PROBABLY CONSIDER WHEN THEY PUT TOGETHER THE VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT.

UM, BUT IT IS VERY SPECIFIC ON WHAT IS BEING DEVELOPED.

AND SO THAT'S WHY THAT TYPICALLY FALLS ON THE APPLICANT AS FAR AS, AS FAR AS WHAT THEIR PROPOSED IMPACT IMPACT WOULD BE.

UM, BUT WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN IMPACT MODEL SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD BE, BE, UH, USEFUL FOR THIS DETERMINATION.

WELL, THE, I'M LOOKING AT THE, THE PROVE STATEMENT THAT SAYS 150 PER THOUSAND.

50 PER 1000.

HE JUST SAID 1500.

I APOLOGIZE.

THAT WAS MY MISTAKE, .

BEFORE WE JUST, I MEAN, BECAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE THE NUMBER JUST CAME FROM SOME OTHER APPLICATION.

SO I MEAN, IS THERE ANY POSSIBILITY OF US ATTEMPTING TO DEVELOP THAT KIND OF OBJECTIVE EVALUATION

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IS THAT, IS THAT WHAT I HEAR? RIGHT.

IT WAS IN LINE WITH A SIMILAR PROPOSED LAND USE THOUGH ON A LARGER SCALE, UM, SOUTH ON WINCHESTER CHESTER ROAD.

BUT DID THAT HAVE ANY OBJECTIVE, DID THAT HAVE ANY OBJECTIVE BASIS FOR WHAT THE IMPACT ON THE FARM RESCUE SYSTEM IS? I'M TRYING TO GET TO THE, UM, I, I, I DON'T HAVE A GREAT ANSWER FOR YOU HERE.

I CAN TELL YOU THAT WE DID LOOK AT PRECEDENT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PARTNER HERE PRECEDENT RIGHT HERE.

I THINK IT WAS THIS PRECEDENT, BUT ALSO MAYBE AROUND, UH, THE REGION TOO.

'CAUSE WE OBVIOUSLY HANDLE CASES, UH, IN A LOT OF COUNTIES.

UM, SOME APPLICANTS ON MAJOR BIG PROJECTS WILL DO, UH, STUDIES FOR THESE SORTS OF THINGS, AND THEY'RE EXPENSIVE.

AND THAT MAY START TO EVEN ECLIPSE THE AMOUNT THAT WE MAY PAY HERE.

SO IT'S A COST BENEFIT THING ON OUR SIDE, UM, WE PROPOSED SOMETHING THAT WE FELT WAS REASONABLE AND IN LINE WITH PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT? ONE 50 PER 1000 SQUARE FEET OF CONSTRUCTED BUILDING.

UM, IF THAT SAME RUBRIC WAS USED ON A PREVIOUS APPLICATION OR APPROVAL HERE, UM, IT IS SCALED THEN OBVIOUSLY TO THE SCALE OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

SO YEAH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND, AND WHERE YOU CAME FROM, BUT I'M JUST, I'M JUST KIND OF OUT IT'S FAIR POINT, FAIR POINT.

IF THE PREVIOUS ONE WAS ARBITRARY, SHOULD WE CONTINUE WITH ARBITRARY? YES.

AND, AND OR SHOULD WE, IS THERE, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR AN ANSWER OR AN INDICATION OF WHETHER THERE'S SOME METHODOLOGY THAT ALREADY EXISTS SOMEWHERE TO COME UP WITH AN OBJECTIVE IMPACT ON FIRE RESCUE SERVICE.

OR IF THE CURRENT PLAN AND STRATEGIC PLAN THAT OUR FIRE RESCUE CHIEF IS HAVING DONE WOULD HAVE THAT KIND OF INFORMATION OR LEAD TO IT.

AND I'M NOT AWARE, THE BEST I COULD DO IS REQUEST COMMENTS FROM, FROM THEM AND, UH, PRESENT THOSE TO YOU.

I, I DO KNOW THAT OTHER LOCALITIES SET EXPECTATIONS FOR CERTAIN FOR OFFERS, ET CETERA, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE SAMPLES AND STUFF.

AND SO YOU COULD CERTAINLY THROUGH THAT PROCESS, ESTABLISH SOMETHING GOING FORWARD AS A POLICY MATTER.

I THINK THAT'S A GOOD IDEA.

I MEAN, I'M, I'M KIND OF SUGGESTING IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA NOW BECAUSE, 'CAUSE BECAUSE IF, UH, I MEAN THE, UH, WHAT DID YOU SAY IT WAS? SO YOU SAID 1500, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY 150.

YEAH, I APOLOGIZE.

1500 WOULD'VE BEEN 10 TIMES 33,000, WHICH WOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY.

THAT WOULD BE A LOT OF MONEY.

AND, UH, BUT, UH, 33,000 MIGHT GET A NEW SET OF TIRES ON, ON FIRE TRUCKS OR SOMETHING.

I, I DON'T HAVE HOW, HOW IMPACTFUL IT IS.

I'M JUST, I'M JUST, IT'S NOT CLEAR TO ME THAT THE, THE IMPACT IS OF A 220,000 FACILITY IS GONNA BE MITIGATED BY IT.

AND, AND I'M WONDERING IF WE SHOULD KNOW BEFORE WE DO THAT.

THAT'S QUE THAT'S JUST A QUESTION, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU MEAN TO, TO SEE IF THE, IF THERE COULD BE, UH, AN ADDITIONAL PROFFER AS FAR AS THAT GOES.

THE, THE SIMPLE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE, UH, WHETHER WE KNOW WHAT THE IMPACT OF A 220,000 FOOT FACILITY IS ON OUR FARM RESCUE.

IF WE, IF WE KNEW WE WOULD'VE SOME IDEA OF WHETHER, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO ASK ANYTHING, RIGHT.

WE DON'T ASK FOR ANYTHING.

THAT'S NOT THE WAY THIS WORKS.

IT'S YOU OFFER, RIGHT.

CORRECT.

AND SO YOU, YOU PR ARE A DICEY LEGAL YEAH.

THING I'LL, I'LL SAY THAT MUCH.

CONDITIONS ARE A LITTLE CLEANER AND EASIER.

, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT STUDY WOULD CHANGE TOO, DEPENDING ON WHAT THAT END USER WAS.

SO, YOU KNOW, I WOULD SAY WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, FAIRLY LOW.

BUT THEN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOME, IF IT WAS A MANUFACTURING THAT UH, THERE WERE SOME FLAMMABLES OR SOMETHING USED IN THE MANUFACTURING PART, THAT, THAT MAY REQUIRE SOME SPECIAL ATTENTION.

UM, BUT, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND THE QUESTION.

THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.

UM, WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY MECHANISM IN PLACE TO PUT A, UH, TO DETERMINE THE STRESS LEVEL, WHAT IT WOULD BE ON FIRE AND RESCUE.

UM, AND WE JUST USED THE GENERIC PROFFER FROM A CASE STUDY, FROM A, AN OLDER BUILDING THAT MIGHT NOT BE CURRENT WITH THE DEMAND.

UM, BUT IT, BUT EVEN AT A STUDY AT WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, IF THAT USE WOULD CHANGE TO MANUFACTURING, UM, SO WOULD THAT DEMAND, SO I DON'T, UH, OF COURSE THE, UH, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING AND THE TAX REVENUE ITSELF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT IS MANUFACTURING, YOU KNOW, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX ON THE EQUIPMENT ON THE SIDE DOES MANUFACTURING, BUT ALSO BE REVENUE.

AND ANY PERCENTAGE OF THAT COULD BE CONTRIBUTED TOWARDS FIRE AND RESCUE AS, AS AN OFFSET JUST, JUST BY THE BUILDING ITSELF

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BEING THERE.

EVEN THE EMPTY BUILDING ITSELF WILL, WILL CREATE REVENUE.

AND THEN, UH, DEPENDING WHAT'S ON INSIDE OF IT, MANUFACTURING WOULD BE MORE EXPENSIVE.

INTERIOR, PERSONAL PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD INCREASE THE REVENUE.

AND THEN IF IT WAS WAREHOUSE DISTRIBUTION, A FEW FORKLIFTS, THAT NUMBER WOULD BE MUCH LOWER.

BUT, UH, I THINK THERE'S ALSO MATCH WITH THE RATE OF DEMAND THAT THEY WOULD EQUATE, UH, COULD PUT ON FIRE AND RESCUE, IF THAT MAKES ANY SENSE.

OH, I THINK ALL THOSE ARE GOOD POINTS.

IT IS JUST, WE'RE, WE'RE MAKING AN ARBITRARY, APPARENTLY MAKING AN ARBITRARY DECISION, JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE AN OBJECTIVE EVALUATION.

SO FAR I'M HEARING NOBODY KNOWS.

I MEAN, HOW CAN THAT BE THERE? THERE'S NO WAY, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF, IF, IF, IF I MAY, SURE.

MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, THE, UH, UH, WE WERE JUST, UH, THE SOLICITOR AND I WERE JUST, UH, UH, CONFERRING ON THIS.

UM, I MEAN THIS, YOU, YOU CAN CHOOSE TO TABLE THIS TONIGHT THAT YOU HAVE NOT LONG.

UH, YOU HAVE ABOUT, WHAT, TWO MORE MONTHS? UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN, IN JANUARY AND YOU HAVE 12 MONTHS, UH, IN WHICH TO, TO ADJUDICATE THIS.

SO, UH, WE HAVE, NOT LONG, BUT, UH, WE, WE COULD CERTAINLY TABLE IT TONIGHT AND, AND, UH, UH, GET BACK TO THE TABLE WITH REGARD TO, UH, DETERMINING WHAT THAT MAY BE.

I DON'T KNOW THE, THE DEGREE TO WHICH THIS WAS NEGOTIATED.

UH, I'M, I'M, I'M, I'M HEARING RIGHT NOW THAT, UM, WE, WE MAY NOT HAVE AN ANSWER RIGHT THIS MOMENT FOR YOU, BUT, UM, SO WE CAN CERTAINLY COME BACK TO THIS AT, AT SOME POINT, UH, WITH HOPEFULLY SOME MORE INFORMATION OR HOPEFULLY MAYBE SOME ADDITIONAL NEGOTIATION.

I, I THINK, I MEAN, WE, WE NEED THE, WE NEED THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.

UM, I IMAGINE THIS IS A PRETTY LARGE PROJECT, AND I, I THINK THIS IS A SITUATION WHERE WE COULD TAKE A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO GET AT LEAST AN ANSWER AS TO WHETHER THERE'S SOMETHING AVAILABLE THAT WE COULD BRING OBJECTIVELY TO THIS TO SEE WHAT THOSE RESOURCES WOULD BE, UM, RATHER THAN JUST ACCEPT, WELL, THAT'S WHAT WE DID LAST TIME, LAST TIME WAS ARBITRARY.

SO LET'S JUST MOVE ON.

UM, ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT THAT? NO, I, I I THINK THAT THAT'S, UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S REASONABLE.

WE, WE DON'T WANT TO, WE DON'T, WE, WE DON'T WANNA SLOW THE MOMENTUM DOWN, BUT ALSO WE WANT TO TAKE IT, WE WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE IMPACT, JUST LIKE, UH, WHAT DR.

JAMESON WAS SAYING, THE IMPACT OF A BUILDING THIS SIZE AND, YOU KNOW, HEAVEN FORBID, UH, SOMETHING WERE TO HAPPEN AND THERE'S A BIG CONFIGURATION THERE AND THE, UH, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CALL IN THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY GET IN THERE, SOMETHING HAPPENS, WE LOSE A FIRE ENGINE THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, HOPEFULLY NOBODY GETS HURT, BUT THEN THE COUNTY'S AT A MILLION DOLLARS.

NOW I'M SURE THAT WE'VE GOT INSURANCE ON THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, STILL, UH, I KNOW HOW INSURANCE WORKS IN IT, EVEN THOUGH IT HELPS TO, UH, UH, MITIGATE IT DOESN'T REPLACE THE ENTIRE VALUE.

SO I CAN SEE WHERE YOU'RE GOING.

YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK IS REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME IS TO BE ABLE TO GATHER, SEARCH FOR SOME INFORMATION, MAYBE EXTENDED INTERVIEWS WITH OUR FIRE CHIEF OR ANYTHING? I MEAN, I DEFINITELY ASK THE FIRE CHIEF.

I MEAN, I COULD REQUEST COMMENTS FROM, FROM, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE, UH, AND HAVE HIM REACH OUT TO THE NORTH WARREN SINCE THAT WOULD BE THE SERVICING, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT.

THEY'D, THEY'D BE THE DEPARTMENT DOING IT WOULD STILL BE, TO A CERTAIN DEGREE, SUBJECTIVE, BUT IT WOULD BE MORE INFORMED.

UM, THE ONLY REAL OBJECTIVE WAY WOULD BE FOR HIM, THAT APPLICANT TO DO THE STUDY THAT HE WAS DESCRIBING.

THAT THE TRUTH, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF, SO, SO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS, LIKE IF YOU'VE GOT A HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, YOU KIND OF KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA COST.

I DON'T THINK THE HURDLE NEEDS TO BE THAT HIGH, BUT, BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS WE HAVE NO, WE HAVE NO INFORMATION OTHER THAN A PRIOR APPLICATION, WHICH MAY HAVE ALSO BEEN ARBITRARY.

SO JUST BECOMING MORE INFORMED AND GETTING EXPLICIT INPUT FROM OUR FIRE AND RESCUE MIGHT, MIGHT, WELL, I'D LIKE TO ASK, UM, MR. HAM A QUESTION JUST TO MAKE SURE I'M FIRM ON PROFFERS, THAT WE CAN'T ASK FOR PROFFERS, WE ACCEPT PROFFERS.

SO DO WE, I MEAN, IF, IF THERE WAS AN ALREADY, UM, PROVIDED SCALE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT OF, UM, BUT AT THIS POINT, CAN WE EVEN ASK WITH TO INCREASE A PROFFER IF THEY'RE NOT, IT'S A, AS HE POINTED OUT, IT'S A LEGAL DANCE.

YOU CAN, YOU CAN MAKE SUGGESTIONS.

SO I, IF THE DATA THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR JIMON IS, IS LOOKING FOR, UM, EXISTS, AND I, YOU KNOW, IT MAY EXIST.

IT, IT MAY NOT.

UM, AND IT INDICATES

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IT'S ALWAYS GONNA COST SOMETHING HERE.

I MEAN, GOD FORBID, HOPEFULLY THIS DEVELOPMENT WILL NEVER COST WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE A PENNY, RIGHT? BUT OF COURSE, IT ALSO COULD COST HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.

WE JUST DON'T KNOW.

SO I DON'T KNOW OF A STUDY, I'VE NEVER SEEN A, A STUDY THAT SAYS WHAT THE AVERAGE COST OF PROVIDING FIRE SERVICE IS FOR X SQUARE FEET OF A BUILDING.

THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT DOESN'T EXIST.

MAYBE IT DOESN, MAYBE IT DOESN'T.

UM, I, I DON'T KNOW.

I SIMPLY DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT, THAT QUESTION.

BUT YEAH, IT HAS TO BE DELICATELY DONE.

CERTAINLY IT CANNOT BE REQUIRED.

UM, IT CAN BE A, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A STUDY THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S REALLY NOT YOUR NUMBER, IT'S YOUR NUMBER PLUS 20%, OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE.

UM, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT? YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN DO THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE, WE CAN'T CONDITION THIS ON, ON THAT.

WELL, IF THAT'S AN OPTION, THEN I'M INTERESTED IN MAKING A MOTION TO TABLE THIS FOR SOME REASON.

REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO, TO AT LEAST LET YOU KNOW.

NOT THAT WE'RE GONNA TAKE A YEAR TO DO A STUDY, I DON'T THINK THAT'S, THAT'S, PLEASE.

BUT THERE HAS TO, I REALLY, THE, THE QUESTION RULE, THE QUESTION IS, CAN SOME, CAN SOME INVESTIGATION AND RESEARCH UNEARTH SOME INFORMATION THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US? AND IN ADDITION TO SPECIFICALLY AND EXPLICITLY ASKING, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AS WELL, AND SPECIFICALLY THE NORTH WARREN, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR OPINION IS, IS THOUGH, LIKE APPARENTLY THAT HASN'T BEEN ALREADY DONE.

SO CAN CERTAINLY ASK WHAT THEY WOULD THINK SUCH AN IMPACT WOULD BE.

AND IF THEY HAVE NO INFORMATION, I'M HAPPY TO SHARE THAT ANSWER WITH YOU.

MM-HMM .

I, I REMEMBER, UH, ONE OF THE HOTELS WAS OVER THE HEIGHT OF A BUILDING, AND THEN THE, UH, WE JUST SIMPLY ASKED IF THEY COULD SERVICE IT.

YOU KNOW, DO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, IS HOTEL FIRE, YOU KNOW, CAN WE GET SOMEBODY, DO WE HAVE LADDER TRUCK SERVICE? AND THEY, AND THEY COME BACK AND SAID IT WAS FINE.

SO WE SUPPORTED IT.

MAY, MAYBE IT'S JUST THAT SIMPLE, YOU KNOW, DO, ARE WE, ARE WE EQUIPPED FOR THIS? AND IF NOT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN OF COURSE IF THERE'S A FLOW CHART SOMEWHERE, IT GIVES US SOME KIND OF, WHICH, WHAT IT SHOULD BE FOR THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, WHATEVER.

IT WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE A HANDY THING IF IT EXISTS.

SO I NEED TO FIND OUT FROM THE COUNSELOR, SINCE WE ARE, SINCE WE'VE, WE'VE OPENED THIS, DO WE STILL HAVE THE, THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD FOR THIS, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE THINKING ABOUT TABLING IT? OR DO WE UH, YES, I WOULD DEFINITELY DO THAT.

YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO, BUT THERE COULD VERY WELL BE PEOPLE HERE TONIGHT WHO HAVE COME.

SO I THINK OUT OF COURTESY, THEN YOU SHOULD HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UM, AND, UH, AND I THINK YOU COULD, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD VOTE ON THE, THE TABLING AND, AND NOT, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU MAYBE DID THAT AFTER YOU LISTENED TO THE PUBLIC.

ABSOLUTELY.

ALRIGHT, COUNSELOR, DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, UH, ANY COMMENTS OR ANYTHING BEFORE I OPEN IT UP FOR, YOU KNOW, UH, PUBLIC, UH, UH, FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING? IF NOT, UH, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS MATTER, GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED.

SO SINCE YOU, UH, UH, DR.

JAM, UH, JAMESON SINCE, SINCE YOU BROUGHT IT UP, DO YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND PHRASE THE, UM, UM, THE, THE, THE MOTION, IT'S A LONG MOTION.

UM, IS IT, DOES IT NEED TO BE COMPLICATED? UH, WELL I THOUGHT YOU WANTED TO MOVE TO TABLE.

WELL, DOES THAT NEED TO BE COMPLICATED? CAN I JUST SAY I MOVED IT? NO, IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE COMPLICATED.

I MOVED TO TABLE THE MOTION BEFORE THE BOARD.

DO, DO WE HAVE TO GIVE A DATE? UM, IT'S THE OPTION OF THE PERSON MAKING THE MOTION, BUT YOU DO NEED TO ACT ON IT BEFORE JANUARY 30TH OF 25.

IT'S THE 9TH OF DECEMBER.

45 DAYS IS 45.

I DON'T KNOW, DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA? WE ONLY MEET ONCE IN DECEMBER, SO, UH, IF YOU WANT TO SET IT OUT MORE THAN 30 DAYS, WELL, YOU NEED TO FACTOR IN.

THERE ARE HOLIDAYS AND, AND THERE NEEDS TO BE A REASONABLE AMOUNT OF TIME TO DO THIS RESEARCH, WHICH I THINK IS GONNA LAND ON YOUR DESK.

UM, MORE THAN LIKELY YOU WANNA POTENTIALLY DO THE DECEMBER MEETING DATE, THEN WHAT? WELL, THAT WOULD, WOULD THAT BE 45? ABOUT ABOUT 45 DAYS? WELL, SUPERVISOR, YES.

IF YOU WANTED TO, YOU COULD TABLE IT TO THE DECEMBER MEETING, BUT IT'S YOUR OPTION.

HOW MANY DAYS IS THAT? ABOUT 45.

YEAH, THAT'S, YEAH.

THEREABOUTS.

IS THAT ENOUGH? IT'S VERY CLOSE TO 45.

DO YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH TIME TO DO THIS TYPE OF RESEARCH AND, AND, AND GATHER INFORMATION THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY YEAH, I MEAN, A LOT OF IT'S GONNA DEPEND ON RESPONSES FROM, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE.

UM, SO IT'LL DEPEND ON WHETHER OR

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NOT THEY RESPOND TO ME IN A TIMELY FASHION.

BUT I WILL OBVIOUSLY FOLLOW UP, I WOULD ASSUME AS MUCH AS NECESSARY.

I WOULD SAY WHEN WE, WE, WE, WE'LL BE OUT OF TIME IN JANUARY, SO IT'S GONNA HAVE TO BE DECEMBER, MID DECEMBER MEETING.

THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA AND I JUST DON'T WANT THAT TO BE OVERLOOKED.

WELL THEN, THEN I'LL, I'M, I'LL MOVE TO TABLE THIS PUBLIC HEARING OR 20 25 0 3 0 1 TO THE DECEMBER WORK, UH, REGULAR MEETING.

DO I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. SCHOLARS? NO.

[L. Public Hearing: CUP2025-03-01 - Building in Excess of 50,000 SF within the Highway Corridor Overlay District - Tax Map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and 4--------45B - A request for a conditional use permit for a building in excess of 50,000 square feet in size within the Highway Corridor Overlay District. The properties are located at 6560, 6644, 6720, and (0) Winchester Road and are identified on tax map #12--------6F, 4--------43A, 4--------44B, and 4--------45B. The properties are currently zoned Agricultural (A) and Commercial (C) and are located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]

UM, OH, NO, NO.

WE, BY, WE'RE GONNA OVERLOOK THAT BECAUSE, UM, SINCE, SINCE THIS IS, UH, THE, THE CUP IS GONNA BE DIRECTLY CONNECTED TO THIS, SO, UM, I DON'T SEE A NEED, UNLESS ANYBODY OBJECTS TO THIS.

I, I DON'T SEE A NEED TO OPEN DISCUSSION ON THE CUP OR HAVE, UH, FOR THE SAME QUESTION YOU ASKED BEFORE.

IT'D PROBABLY BE A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE THE PLAN, THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING ON THE PLANNING.

ON THE, UH, CUP RIGHT NOW FOR, IT'S BEEN ADVERTISED, RIGHT? YES.

SO THE, UH, SO I WILL OPEN UP THE, UH, PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE, UH, FOR THE CUP.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? ALRIGHT, SORRY TO INTERRUPT.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN, BUT AGAIN, THIS IS A SEPARATE ONE.

SO THE APPLICANT IS THE ONE THAT TYPICALLY PROVIDES THE FIRST PRESENTATION ON THE CPI MEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE MAY CHOOSE TO SAY? I, I'VE ALREADY SAID ALL I NEED TO SAY, BUT HE DOES HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT.

I HAVE, AND I, AND I'LL, I'LL SAY, YOU KNOW, I DON'T MIND COMING BACK HERE.

LET'S HOPEFULLY REALLY STICK TO THAT DECEMBER, UH, DATE.

WE DO WANT THIS APPROVED AS QUICKLY AS WE CAN AND TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN WAITING A WHILE, BUT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THE SENTIMENT OF THE BOARD.

CHASE, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO REMIND YOU OF THE REQUEST FOR THE CONDITION CHANGE.

SO I COULDN'T JUST CHANGE THEM 'CAUSE THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THEM FORWARD ACCORDING TO THE REQUEST, BUT, UH, STAFF DOES AGREE WITH THE REQUESTED CHANGES.

STRIKING THE PARKING REQUIREMENT WOULD DEFAULT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS WHAT I DID IN THE FIRST PLACE WHEN I CRAFTED THIS CONDITION.

SO IT'S REALLY, IT DOESN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE.

IT, AND, UH, I WOULD APPRECIATE THE CLARIFICATION.

CHANGE TO RECOMMENDED CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, THAT THE 220,000 SQUARE FOOT LIMIT BE BEYOND THE BUILDING AND NOT THE ENTIRETY OF OF DEVELOPMENT.

AND THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.

AND JASON, PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.

DO WE HAVE ANYBODY LI UH, SIGNED UP? NO, SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? GOING ONCE, GOING TWICE? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE YOU TABLE THIS TILL THE DECEMBER MEETING.

CONTINUE WITH OUR, OUR BOARD MEMBER REPORTS AND, UH, MS. COLORS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO CONTINUE? PLEASE? OKAY.

, I MOVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON TUP 2025 DASH OH THREE DASH OH ONE BE TABLED UNTIL THE DECEMBER REGULAR MEETING.

I, I'M SORRY.

WE'VE HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING YOU JUST MOVED.

THE MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CONSIDERATION BE TABLED TO DECEMBER MEETING.

I MOVE THAT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION WILL BE TABLED UNTIL THE DECEMBER WORKING MEETING.

SO THE, UH, SO WE WILL CONTINUE WITH OUR, UM, AT, AT THIS, THIS POINT.

THE PUBLIC HEARINGS ARE NOW, UH, CONCLUDED AND WE WILL

[E. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney (Part 2 of 2)]

ON OCTOBER 8TH, I WENT UP TO PAGE COUNTY, THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE, UM, RESOURCES HAD, UM, PROGRAM ON DEER WASTING DISEASE.

AND IT WAS A REALLY GOOD PROGRAM PUT ON BY THE BIOLOGIST, UH, FOR, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF WILDLIFE RESOURCES.

AND I'M TRYING TO GET HER TO COME AND PRESENT THAT HERE.

I THINK IT'S, UM, NEEDED INFORMATION FOR WARREN COUNTY AS WELL, BECAUSE WE DO HAVE THE DISEASE IN OUR COUNTY.

UM, IT GIVES YOU A LOT OF INFORMATION ON WHAT TO LOOK FOR AND SO FORTH.

SO I, I HOPE TO GET THAT HERE.

AND THEN ON OCTOBER 9TH, WE HAD, UM, THE JOINT SCHOOL TOUR, WHICH, UM, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, I REALLY ENJOYED AND GOT A LOT OUT OF, EVEN THOUGH WENT TO SCHOOL HERE AND WORKED HERE.

UM, THAT EVENING, I WENT BACK TO PAGE COUNTY TO, THEY HAD THEIR, UH, REVIEW OF THEIR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.

AND SINCE

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RIVER FLOWS FROM PAGE COUNTY TO WARREN COUNTY, I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE GOOD TO GO UP AND SEE WHAT THEY'VE GOT GOING ON AND, UM, TALK TO SEVERAL OTHER SUPERVISORS.

SO, UM, JUST TRYING TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS THERE.

AND OCTOBER 10TH I ATTENDED THE, UM, WARREN COUNTY RECOVERY COURT COMMENCEMENT.

THEY HAD ONE, UH, INDIVIDUAL RECOVERY COURT IS A PROGRAM THAT WE STARTED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO THAT HELPS, UH, INDIVIDUALS WITH DRUG AND ALCOHOL ADDICTION, UM, TO, UH, INSTEAD OF JUST CYCLING BACK THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM, THIS IS A WAY TO GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, OVERCOME.

AND, UM, THE INDIVIDUAL THAT, UM, GRADUATED HAS REALLY TURNED HIS LIFE AROUND AND, UH, DOING VERY WELL.

SO I THINK THEY HAVE A TOTAL OF 15 PEOPLE IN THAT PROGRAM AT DIFFERENT PHASES.

SO LOOK FORWARD TO THE NEXT, UH, COMMENCEMENT.

ON OCTOBER 11TH, I ATTENDED, UM, CHIEF MAYBE'S MEMORIAL SERVICE.

AND I JUST WANT TO GIVE A, UM, KUDOS TO EVERYONE INVOLVED.

THAT WAS A VERY WELL-PLANNED, WELL-EXECUTED, UM, MEMORIAL SERVICE, AND I'M SURE HE'S SMILING DOWN AT ALL THAT MADE THAT HAPPEN.

UM, THOSE THINGS ARE DIFFICULT TO PLAN WHEN YOU'VE GOT LOTS OF COMPANIES THAT LIKE TO COME AND PAY YOU RESPECTS.

UH, LEFT THERE AND WENT TO THE FESTIVAL, LEAVES A BEAUTIFUL WEEKEND.

USUALLY THE FESTIVAL LEAVE IS EITHER RAINY OR COLD AND WINDY, BUT IT WAS A BEAUTIFUL DAY.

SO, UH, WELL ATTENDED OCTOBER 13TH, UM, DURING OUR JOINT SCHOOL TOUR AT THE, UM, BLUE RIDGE TECHNICAL CENTER.

THE, UM, MRS. MS. WHITE, UM, THE MEDICAL INTERVENTIONS TEACHER SAID THAT THE, HER CLASS WAS GOING TO HAVE A DEBATE ON COCHLEAR IMPLANTS.

AND COCHLEAR IMPLANTS ARE, UM, SOMETHING THAT HELPS THE DEAF HERE.

AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS AN INTERESTING TOPIC 'CAUSE I THE PROS AND CONS OF THAT.

SO WENT BACK AND SAT THROUGH THAT AND THOSE STUDENTS DID A REALLY GOOD JOB.

UM, PRESENTING THE, THE PROS AND CONS AND REBUTTAL MADE ME THINK OF, UM, A LOT OF THINGS THAT I HADN'T THOUGHT OF.

YOU KNOW, AS PARENTS, WHEN OUR CHILDREN HAVE HEARING OR VISUAL DEFICITS, ALL WE WANNA DO IS MAKE THEM BETTER AND NEVER REALLY THOUGHT ABOUT MAKING DECISIONS FOR A CHILD AS TO WHETHER THAT IS A GOOD THING OR A BAD THING.

SO VERY, I I WAS, I LOOK FORWARD TO GOING BACK TO OTHER THING, DEBATES THAT THEY HAVE.

UH, THAT EVENING I WENT TO THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER MEETING AND, UM, THEY'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON THERE THAT, UM, THEY'RE ADVERTISING.

I KNOW THEY'VE GOT A BAZAAR COMING UP, BUT I DON'T HAVE THE DATE ON THAT, I DON'T THINK I DO.

I'VE GOT A LIST OF DATES COMING UP.

UM, OCTOBER 14TH, UH, THERE WAS A MAIN STREET AMERICA EVENT HOSTED BY RICK NOVAK, UM, AT THE PARK WORLD THEATER.

THERE WERE FOUR STAGES OF THAT.

UM, THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF THE DIFFERENT BUILDINGS ON MAIN STREET, THE BUSINESS OWNERS THAT ARE WORKING OUT OF THOSE BUILDINGS, AND THEN RESIDENTS OF, UM, THE TOWN PROFFER OR THE COUNTY.

UH, AND THEN THE LAST ONE WAS FOR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

AND I DECIDED TO GO TO ALL OF THEM, AND I WAS GLAD I DID BECAUSE I GOT TO HEAR EACH OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND THEIR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE DOING.

UH, BOTH THEIR STRUGGLES AND THE POSITIVES OF, UM, AND MAIN STREET IS BEGINNING TO THRIVE.

AND THIS IS A, A PROGRAM WHERE, UM, IT'S A TWO YEAR PROCESS THAT THEY'RE HOPING TO MAKE OUR MAIN STREET A MAIN STREET AMERICA DESTINATION.

UM, OCTOBER 15TH, THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES HAS THEIR QUARTERLY MEETING OR HOWEVER OFTEN I FORGET.

AND THEY, JOHN MARTZ ALWAYS MAKES THIS AN EVENT AS WELL AS AN EDUCATIONAL AND INFORMATIVE THING.

SO HE HAD A CHILI COOKOFF AND GOT TO BE A JUDGE WITH SEVERAL OTHER PEOPLE.

AND HIS ONLY COMMENT WAS, PLEASE DON'T PICK MY WIFE'S CHILI.

DIDN'T KNOW WHO FIXED WHAT CHILI.

WE'RE JUST GIVEN A BOWL.

AND SURE ENOUGH, TWO YEARS IN A ROW, HIS WIFE WON THE CHILI COOKOFF.

SO REALLY GOOD.

ALL THE CHILI WAS GOOD, BUT YES.

UM, SO HE HAD TO GO HOME AND EAT SOME CROW AGAIN ABOUT HIS WIFE'S CHILI 'CAUSE HE'S FROM TEXAS.

AND HE SAID CHILI DOES NOT HAVE BEANS IN IT AND HERS HAS BEINGS IN IT.

SO, UM, BUT ANYWAY, UH, THAT AFTERNOON, UM, WE HAD A, UM, RECOVERY COURT MEETING WHERE WE CONTINUE TO WORK TOGETHER TO BUILD ON THAT PROGRAM.

AND

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LET'S SEE, UH, ON THE 16TH I ATTENDED THE LAUREL RIDGE ELECTRIC LINEWORKER GROUNDBREAKING.

THEY ARE STARTING, THEY'RE GONNA BUILD A BUILDING AND HAVE A TRAINING FACILITY FOR POWER LINE ELECTRICAL LINEWORKERS.

AND THEY HAVE BUILT THIS PROGRAM AND STARTED THE CLASS.

THE BUILDING'S NOT BUILT YET, BUT IN 15 OR 16 MONTHS.

SO THEY HAVE MOVED ALONG REALLY QUICKLY.

I FORGET, I THINK THEY'VE GOT 10 TO 15 YOUNG MEN THAT ARE ALREADY SIGNED UP AND STARTED THAT PROGRAM AND WE'RE ALREADY BEING RECRUITED FOR JOBS BY THE DIFFERENT POWER COMPANIES THAT WERE THERE FOR THIS GROUNDBREAKING LEFT THERE AND WENT TO THE NORTHERN CHANDRA VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION'S ANNUAL MEETING SOCIAL AT BELL GROVE.

AND, UM, THEN NORTHERN VIRGINIA, UH, THAT'S REGIONAL COMMISSION HELPS WITH DIFFERENT AGENCIES AND GOVERNMENTS TO DO TRANSPORTATION.

UM, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE STATE.

THEY HELP GET FUNDING AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

THEY'RE THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR OUR BROADBAND INITIATIVE.

SO, UM, THEY'VE GOT A LOT GOING ON, AND THAT WAS A VERY NICE MEETING LEFT THERE.

AND I CAME AND ATTENDED THE JOINT TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, WHICH, UM, A LOT OF INTERESTING TOPICS WERE ON THAT.

OCTOBER 17TH, I ATTENDED A ROOTED TABLE, UH, HOSTED BY SHELLY COOK AT ANO.

AND, UH, WINSOME SEARS HUSBAND WAS ONE OF THE INVITED GUESTS THAT WAS THERE.

UM, THE, IF YOU HAVEN'T HAD AN OPPORTUNITY, THE ROOTED TABLE IS, UH, RESOURCE FROM LOCAL FARMERS AND THE FARMERS, UM, ARE USUALLY THERE AND THEY TELL YOU ABOUT THEIR FARMING BUSINESS AND HOW THEIR PART OF YOUR DINNER WAS PROCESSED AND, YOU KNOW, GROWN PROCESSED AND ALL OF THAT.

IT'S VERY INTERESTING.

IT'S EVERYTHING FROM BUTTER TO CHEESE TO THE VEGETABLES AND THE, THE MEAT.

SO, UM, IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO KNOW WHERE YOUR FOOD'S COMING FROM.

UM, ATTENDED ON THE 18TH, THE FIRST ANNIVERSARY OF THE BRICK HOUSE, WHICH IS RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET HERE.

UM, THEY ARE DOING VERY WELL.

SO THAT'S ANOTHER BUSINESS AND REVENUE FOR THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

AND THEY ARE WONDERFUL COMMUNITY PROP, UH, PARTNERS.

THEY DO A LOT OF, UM, I THINK THEY HOSTED THE SENIORS, UM, I'M NOT SURE ABOUT GRADUATION, BUT I THINK THEY HOSTED A DINNER AND SO FORTH FOR PROM AND THINGS.

SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE VERY MUCH A COMMUNITY PARTNER.

UM, OCTOBER 20TH WE HAD OUR PALS MEETING, WHICH IS THE POLICE ATHLETIC LEAD.

WE'RE CONTINUING TO BUILD ON THAT FOR THE YOUTH AND THE COMMUNITY HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT EVENTS AND WE'LL BE ADVERTISING THAT FOR THE KIDS FROM NOW UNTIL SPRINGTIME EACH MONTH I THINK THERE'S LIKE FOUR DIFFERENT PROJECTS AND THINGS THAT WE HAVE GOING, UH, THINGS THAT ARE COMING UP.

OCTOBER 23RD, UM, THE DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES IS HAVING A, A HALLOWEEN JUBILEE, AND THAT'S OUT AT THE OLD 15TH STREET SCHOOL.

THE, WHAT IS NOW THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES DOWN ON THE, THE TRACK.

AND THAT STARTS AT FIVE AND I THINK IT GOES FROM FIVE TO SEVEN, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT IT'S FREE.

AND TAKE THE KIDS, DRESS 'EM UP IN THEIR HALLOWEEN AND GO TRICK OR TREAT AND DO ALL THE FUN THINGS THAT THEY HAVE PLANNED THERE.

UH, OCTOBER 24TH, RESTY JEFFRIES IS GOING TO BE HAVING THEIR FALL FESTIVAL, AND THAT'S FROM FIVE TO SEVEN.

OCTOBER 25TH IS THE PUMPKIN DROP AT THE AIRPORT.

AND I'VE GOT THAT AT EIGHT O'CLOCK, BUT I THINK YOU SAID NINE TO TWO.

UH, NO, IT'S EIGHT TO TWO.

EIGHT TO TWO.

UM, OCTOBER 25TH, EVERYTHING'S HAPPENING ON OCTOBER 25TH.

SOUTH WARREN, UH, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT IS HAVING THEIR BIZARRE, WHICH IS ALWAYS AN AWESOME THING.

YOU CAN GET PLENTY OF CHRISTMAS PRESENTS THERE, UH, EIGHT TO TWO THAT DAY.

UH, SPOOKY.

SATURDAY MAIN STREET IS HAPPENING ON MAIN STREET FROM FOUR, I THINK THAT'S TILL SEVEN OR SO.

UM, ON THE 25TH, BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY BAPTIST CHURCH IS HAVING A TRUNK OR TREAT FROM FIVE TO SEVEN.

SO YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF OPPORTUNITIES TO TAKE YOUR KIDS SOMEWHERE.

AND THEN OCTOBER 25TH, THE FOUR H CENTER IS HAVING A GALA FUNDRAISER FROM SIX TO 10.

SO, UM, THAT'S TO SUPPORT THE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY HAVE GOING ON, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT WISE AND SO FORTH AT THE FOUR H CENTER, WHICH IS A BEAUTIFUL PLACE TO GO.

SPEND SOME TIME AT THE, UH, LIAISON MEETING.

TOURISM WAS BROUGHT UP AND I WAS FIDGETING IN MY SEAT IN THE

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BACK BECAUSE THERE WERE SO MANY THINGS THAT I WANTED TO BE ABLE TO, TO SAY AT THAT MEETING.

UM, WE, WE STARTED THE TOURISM COMMITTEE, UM, BACK UP IN JANUARY OF 25.

AND IT STARTED OUT WITH, UM, MYSELF AS CHAIRMAN AND MS. MEADOWS.

AND, UH, WE'VE BUILT ON THAT.

UH, WE HAVE COMMUNITY PARTNERS AS FAR AS, UM, WE HAVE RICHARD RUNYON IS ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS.

SHELLY COOK, VICKY 12 FROM THE APPLE HOUSE.

AND I'M PROBABLY LEAVING OTHER PEOPLE OUT THAT ARE OFF MY BRAIN RIGHT NOW IF I DON'T WRITE NAMES DOWN.

UM, BUT THEN WE REALIZED THAT IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN, WE NEED A TOWN REPRESENTATION.

SO REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE TOWN COUNSELOR ARE GLEN WOOD AND THEN LIZZIE LEWIS, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF COMMUNITY EVENTS.

I'M NOT SURE I'VE REALLY GOT HER TITLE, BUT I KNOW THAT'S WHAT SHE DOES.

UM, SO THEY'RE PART OF IT.

WE HAVE THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, UH, DIRECTOR NIKKI FOSTER, THAT HAS JOINED US, THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY DIRECTOR, LIZ RICHEL, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT WE'RE ALL WORKING TOGETHER AND COLLABORATING ON IDEAS, UM, BECAUSE WE WANT THIS TO BE A TOWN COUNTY COLLABORATIVE.

UM, SO I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THERE, IT WAS MENTIONED OF MOVING FORWARD IN DIRECTION AND I DON'T THINK IT WAS UNDERSTOOD THAT WE'RE ALREADY MOVING FORWARD AND WORKING TOGETHER, BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT GLENWOOD IS THE TOWN REPRESENTATIVE WITH LIZZIE AND THEN JANE MEADOWS AND MYSELF AS THE COUNTY REPRESENTATIVES.

UM, SINCE WE'RE ALREADY INVOLVED IN DOING THIS ADDRESS, BOTH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE TOWN COUNCIL, EITHER AT A JOINT MEETING OR INDIVIDUALS TO INFORM AND EDUCATE BOTH INTERESTED PARTIES OF OUR ENDEAVORS.

UM, BECAUSE THE WHEEL DOESN'T NEED TO BE RECREATED ON THIS, IT'S ALREADY ROLLING ALONG JUST FINE COST SHARING.

UM, WE'VE ALREADY HAD DISCUSSIONS ON THAT AND WE AGREE WHEN BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, WE WILL SHARE COST.

UH, AN EXAMPLE, THE TOWN HAD AN ADVERTISEMENT THEY WANTED TO PUT IN A BROCHURE.

WE COLLABORATED TOGETHER ON THAT AND INSTEAD OF HAVING A TINY ONE, WE GOT A BIGGER ONE AND WE SHARED THE COST ON THAT.

UM, THE DOWNFALL OF THE PAST TOURISM VENTURE THAT WE WORKED ON FOR SEVERAL YEARS AND DIDN'T GO ANYWHERE, UM, WAS PARTLY DUE TO FINANCIAL CONTROL.

EVERYBODY WANTED TO BE THE, THE HANDLER OF THE BANK.

AND WE'VE AGREED THAT OUR MONEY NEEDS TO BE SEPARATED AND WHEN WE WANNA COLLABORATE, WE WILL SHARE EQUALLY ON THOSE COSTS, BUT WE DON'T WANNA GO DOWN THE ROAD OF BICKERING OVER WHO'S GONNA BE THE BANKER, UM, AND PUT ALL THE MONEY IN ONE POT, UM, BECAUSE THAT WAS, THAT ROAD ENDED UP BREAKING UP THE WHOLE DEAL.

SO THAT WOULD BE MY SUGGESTION, UM, MOVING FORWARD ON KEEPING EVERYONE INFORMED ON TOURISM AND MOVING THAT, UM, FORWARD IN A POSITIVE WAY FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

AND THAT'S MY REPORT.

UH, ONE THING I DID FORGET, SPONGY MOTH PROGRAM, WE SAID WE, WE HAD A PRESENTATION ON IT, WE SAID WE WERE GONNA WORK ON THAT AND IT'S GONE NOWHERE.

UM, I THINK OCTOBER WAS A DEADLINE OF TRYING TO GET THIS THING, UM, ORGANIZED.

UM, THAT PROGRAM WAS TO GET OURSELVES ORGANIZED AND IDENTIFY AREAS OF, UM, WHERE THERE'S PROBLEMS AND WE HAVE PROBLEMS, UM, IN SEVERAL AREAS SO THAT WE COULD GET INTO THE STATES HAD SET ASIDE MONEY LAST YEAR AND HOPEFULLY WILL BEGIN THIS YEAR, UM, TO HELP SPRAY THESE AREAS.

OTHERWISE, UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ACRE AND 10 TREES, YOU CAN AFFORD TO GO OUT AND BUY THE STUFF AND MAYBE SPRAY IT.

IF YOU'VE GOT A LARGER AMOUNT OF AREA THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY HARD TO MANAGE ON YOUR OWN.

AND WHAT WOULD USED TO CALL IT GYPSY? MOS? GYPSY MA.

THE BARK, BUT ON THE BARK THEY CAN, I WOULDN'T, YOU KNOW, I WAS REQUESTED TO FIND SOMEBODY THAT COULD IDENTIFY AND I DID.

SO, UM, I'D LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE ON THAT AND, AND NOT LET THIS FALL IN THE CRACKS BECAUSE, UM, I KNOW THERE ARE PEOPLE THAT I KNOW FOR OURSELVES.

WE HAD THE, UM, THE STATE, THE GENTLEMAN THAT CAME HERE, WE'RE IN A FOREST.

WE HAVE LAND IN A FOREST PROGRAM AND WE ARE NOW GONNA HAVE TO DO SOME LOGGING BECAUSE THE TREES ARE NOT SURVIVABLE.

SO, AND THERE'S OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE DOING THAT AS WELL.

THEY, THEY PLANT THEIR EGGS UNDERNEATH THE BARK, DEPEND, I'M NOT SURE THEY'RE UNDERNEATH

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UM, I HAD A GENTLEMAN WHO WAS THE SUPERINTENDENT OR HEAD RANGER, WHATEVER YOU WANNA CALL IT, OF THE CHANDEL RIVER, ANDY GUEST STATE PARK.

HE'S RETIRED NOW AND HE SAID HE WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO WORK WITH US.

AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S JUST FELL THROUGH AND I DON'T WANNA SEE THE TREES, YOU KNOW, BE DECIMATED BY THIS STUFF.

ARE THERE ANY PARTICULAR TYPE OF TREES THAT GO AFTER IT? JUST ALL THE TREES, OAKS, MAINLY, BUT THEY'RE GOING, ONCE THEY EAT THOSE UP, THEN THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, GO AFTER THE OTHERS TOO.

BUT MAINLY THEY STARTED OUT WITH OAKS, THEY WENT AFTER OAKS, THE LANTERN FLIES WENT AFTER GRAPES, UM, HUMACK, THOSE KIND OF THINGS.

BUT I THINK THEY'RE EATING ON OTHER STUFF TOO, SO, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, WE'VE GOTTA PROTECT OUR FOREST.

SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO FIND OUT WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT.

AND NOW I'M FINISHED.

IT'S AN EXPANSION OF THE BRIEF PRESENTATION I MADE LAST WEEK ENTITLED TRANSPARENCY AND FOIA COMPLIANCE.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

UM, ON OCTOBER 8TH, THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MET, UH, THE PRIMARY TAKEAWAY FROM THAT MEETING, I THINK IS THAT THE COUNTY'S AUDITOR CAME AND WAS NOT ABLE TO PROCEED WITH THE AUDIT, UM, DUE TO THE LACK OF COMPLETE INFORMATION.

AND THIS REFERS TO THE BANK RECONCILIATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN, UH, UNDERWAY FOR, FOR QUITE A WHILE.

THE NEXT OPENING FOR THEM TO COME BACK IS IN JANUARY OF 2026, WHICH MEANS WE'RE LOOKING AT FEBRUARY OR MARCH LIKELY FOR THE 2026 DELIVERY, SORRY, LOOKING AT FEBRUARY OR MARCH, 2026 FOR DELIVERY OF THE 2024 AUDIT.

GIVEN THIS PREDICAMENT, UH, THE COMMITTEE DISCUSSED THE NECESSITY FOR MR. MR. HAW AND MR. SCOTT TO PREPARE FINANCIAL DOCUMENTATION FOR THE BOARD TO USE IN LIEU OF AN OFFICIAL AUDIT.

I REFER TO THIS AS A PROXY AUDIT BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO SERVE AS THE BEST AVAILABLE INFORMATION SOURCE FOR THE BOARD AS THE FY 27 BUDGET PROCESS GETS STARTED.

I ALSO ASKED MR. GOTCHU TO PREPARE A REPORT FOR THE NOVEMBER MEETING OF THE COMMITTEE, WHICH HE JUST MENTIONED.

UH, THAT PROVIDES A DESCRIPTION OF THIS ENTIRE SITUATION, UM, WITH THE AUDIT AND WHAT THE, UH, WHAT THE FORWARD PATH LOOKS LIKE.

SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT.

THE OCTOBER 9TH SCHOOLS TOUR, I WENT ALONG WITH THE BUS RIDE, UM, AND TOURS OF SEVERAL SCHOOLS WITH DR. MARTIN AND MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD AND SUPERVISOR BOARD, AS WELL AS SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS.

UH, TO PICK THREE HIGHLIGHTS.

UM, I WOULD SAY THE FIRST, THE STAFF, THE TEACHERS AND THE STUDENTS I TALKED TO THROUGHOUT THE DAY WERE ALL VERY POLITE AND WELCOMING.

UM, SECOND, THE SCHOOLS THEMSELVES WERE IMMACULATE.

I'M VERY PROUD OF, OF THE CONDITION.

I KNOW SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS ARE QUITE OLD.

UM, I KNOW SOME OF 'EM HAVE BEEN RENOVATED, BUT THEY'RE ARE SPOTLESS AND SHINY AND VERY IMPRESSED.

AND THE THIRD, UM, BUT DEFINITELY NOT LAST WAS THE BLUE RIDGE TECH, UH, VISIT, WHICH REALLY IMPRESSED ME AS WELL.

I, UH, I WAS ABLE TO CHAT WITH MOST OF THE TEACHERS, UH, THROUGHOUT THE TOUR, AND I CAME AWAY WITH A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT THEY'RE DOING REALLY GREAT THINGS THERE.

AND, AND ALL OF THEM SAID THERE'S, THERE'S MORE KIDS THAT WANT TO GET IN THAN CAN FIT.

UM, SO WE NEED TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT.

UM, IF THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING, THEN THE LUNCH PREPARED BY THE CULINARY ARTS STUDENTS DEFINITELY MADE THE CASE 'CAUSE THAT LUNCH WAS AS GOOD AS ANYTHING AVAILABLE IN ANY RESTAURANT IN TOWN.

UH, OCTOBER 16TH, THE COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, I ATTENDED THAT MEETING WITH CHAIRMAN BUTLER.

ON A GENERAL LEVEL, I THINK I JUST WOULD SAY THAT THE TWO GOVERNMENTS I THINK WERE ON CONVERGING PATHS TO FIGURING OUT HOW TO COOPERATE AGAIN.

UM, THE TWO HIGHLIGHTS, I WOULD SAY OF THE MEETING WERE THE POSITIVE INDICATIONS FROM BOTH JURISDICTIONS THAT A DUPLICATION OF EFFORTS AND RESOURCES IN THE TOURISM DEVELOPMENT ARENA WERE WORTH AVOIDING.

UM, AND TO, TO BASICALLY CONFIRM AND ACCEPT AND, AND APPLAUD.

I THINK IT WOULD BE A GREAT IDEA FOR, FOR YOUR COMMITTEE TO, UM, DO JUST WHAT YOU SAID, UH, COME AND DESCRIBE ALL OF THE INCLUSIVENESS AND THE COOPERATION AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

UM, BUT I THINK BOTH JURISDICTIONS ARE READY FOR THAT.

UM, THAT'S MY IMPRESSION.

UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WITH THE MCKAY SPRINGS PROPERTY TOPIC AND THE, THE EXPRESSION OF INTEREST FROM THE NA BATTLEFIELDS, THE SHE BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION, I THINK WE CAN JUST, UH, HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO JOIN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY.

UH, I ALSO WORKED DOWN AND DELIVERED A MEMO TO THIS BOARD, UH, ENTITLED PROPOSED POLICY FOR LEGAL COUNSEL, TRANSPARENCY AND FOIA COMPLIANCE, UH, TO MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD.

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IN THE MEMO, I'M ATTEMPTING TO CALL THE BOARD'S ATTENTION TO A MUCH MORE DETAILED IMPLEMENTATION OF THE FOIA STATUTES THAN WHAT I BELIEVE WE'VE BEEN DOING, AS WELL AS THE MANNER IN WHICH WE RECEIVE THE WORK PRODUCT OF THE LEGAL LEGAL COUNSEL THAT WE PAY FOR.

AND SPEAKING OF LAST WEEK'S PRESENTATION, I NEED TO ANNOUNCE A CORRECTION TO A REFERENCE CONTAINED ON THE SIXTH SLIDE.

THE CORRECT REFERENCE IS FOIA COUNSEL, ADVISORY OPINION 0 1 0 7, NOT 0 3 1 3.

UH, THE SLIDES POSTED ON THE BOARD'S RELATED DOCUMENTS ON THE WEBSITE HAVE BEEN CORRECTED, AND THE MINUTES OF THIS MEETING WILL CORRECT THE OFFICIAL RECORD, AND I'LL BE BRINGING FORWARD A DRAFT POLICY SOON FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER HOW THESE MATTERS ARE HANDLED IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S MY REPORT.

UM, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.

UH, YES SIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I JUST HAVE A FEW ITEMS OF THIS EVENING.

UM, THE, UH, AS, AS, UH, MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND CERTAINLY THE BOARD, UM, MAY HAVE NOTICED NOW, HOPEFULLY, UM, THE, AND AS I HAVE NOW NOTED, UH, A COUPLE OF TIMES PREVIOUSLY PUBLICLY, UH, THAT THE, UH, COUNTY HAS ESTABLISHED A WEB, A WEBPAGE, UH, LOCATED, UM, OFF OF THE COUNTY'S, UH, HOMEPAGE OF OUR WEBSITE, UH, RELATED TO UPDATES ON THE ONGOING, UH, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN, UH, THAT HOPEFULLY, UM, IS PROVIDED AS A RESOURCE FOR COMMUNITY, UH, MEMBERS AND COMMUNITY AGENCIES WITH REGARD TO, UM, VARIOUS COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND SERVICES, UM, SPECIFICALLY THAT MAY, UM, NOW OR IN THE FUTURE BE IMPACTED BY THE FEDERAL SHUTDOWN.

HOPEFULLY THAT, UH, IS WRAPPED UP SHORTLY.

BUT, UH, IN ANY EVENT, UH, WE CONTINUE TO PROVIDE UPDATES THROUGH THAT PORTAL.

UM, THE MOST, UH, RECENT AND, UH, THE MOST IMPACTFUL, UM, NOTICE, UH, THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THAT PAGE IS, UM, A, UM, AN UPDATE ON SNAP, UH, SNAP BENEFITS.

UM, WE'LL, UH, BE OUT OF MONEY.

UM, AS OF NOVEMBER, UH, FIRST, UM, THE, UH, UH, THE STATE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAVE BEEN, UM, UH, WORKING TO, UH, PROVIDE UPDATES TO VARIOUS STAKEHOLDERS ON THAT POINT, UM, AS WELL AS OUR LOCAL, UH, DEPARTMENTS OF SOCIAL SERVICES THROUGHOUT THE, THE COMMONWEALTH.

UM, SO PLEASE CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT, UH, WEBPAGE, OF COURSE.

AND, AND AS OUR LOCAL, UH, DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, UH, HAS PUT OUT, UH, PUBLICLY, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE FEDERAL, UH, UH, BENEFITS, UM, YOU KNOW, CALLING YOUR LOCAL DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES, UM, UH, WILL NOT, UH, EITHER PROVIDE YOU EXPEDITED, UM, SERVICES OR PROVIDE YOU AN APPEAL PROCESS.

UM, AGAIN, THESE ARE FEDERAL BENEFITS, BUT, UM, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 5,000 INDIVIDUALS IN, IN WARREN COUNTY THAT, THAT RECEIVE SNAP BENEFITS.

SO WE WILL RECEIVE SOME SORT OF AN IMPACT HERE LOCALLY TO THAT IF IT IS NOT ADDRESSED BY THEN.

UH, OUR DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES IS ALSO WORKING WITH, UH, LOCAL, UH, FOOD BANKS AND OTHER, UH, SERVICE PROVIDERS, UM, AHEAD OF THAT KIND OF, UH, IMPENDING, UH, DATE, UH, TO ENSURE THAT WORD GETS OUT TO, UH, THOSE WHO MAY BE IMPACTED AND AS WELL AS ATTEMPTING TO COORDINATE, UM, YOU KNOW, PRIVATE SECTOR OR, UH, NONPROFIT, UH, RELATED, UM, UH, RESOURCES, UH, TO THOSE WHO MAY BE AFFECTED.

UH, I ALSO AM, UH, HAVE PUT OUT A, AN EMAIL, UH, TODAY, UH, TO, TO SOME STAFF, BUT I WILL HOPEFULLY, UH, BE WORKING VERY QUICKLY, UM, UH, TO ESTABLISH, UH, THE, THE FOUNDATIONS OR THE WORKING KIND OF STRUCTURE TO, UM, WHAT I HOPE TO BE, UM, A, A NEW, UH, PROGRAM, UH, THAT WE WILL ROLL OUT AT SOME POINT, UH, WHICH IS A, AN ALL COUNTY, UH, RELATED, UH, CITIZENS, UM, UH, ACADEMY, OF COURSE OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AND, AND OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS, UH, HAVE, UH, DEPARTMENT SPECIFIC, UH, CITIZENS ACADEMIES THAT ARE, UH, WELL ATTENDED AND, UH, PROVIDE GOOD INSIGHTS, UH, INTO THE GOINGS ON OF THOSE VARIOUS DEPARTMENTS.

AND I HOPE TO EXPAND THAT, UH, COUNTYWIDE TO INCLUDE ALL DEPARTMENTS.

OF COURSE, THAT WOULD NOT BE TO SUPPLANT, UH, THE, THE EFFORTS CURRENTLY BEING DONE BY THE SHERIFF IN THE, THE, THE, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT, BUT, BUT MERELY TO ADD TO AND PROVIDE, UH, THE, THE RE THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY, A BROADER LOOK INTO THEIR GOVERNMENT AND WHAT REALLY GOES ON EVERY DAY WITHIN ALL OF OUR DEPARTMENTS.

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I HOPE TO, UH, UH, CONTINUE TO GATHER INFORMATION ON THAT AND THEN, UH, ROLL INFORMATION OUT PUBLICLY, UH, WHEN WE ARE READY TO, TO SHARE INFORMATION ON THAT.

BUT, BUT I AM WORKING, UH, BEHIND THE SCENES TO, UM, TO PUT THAT FOUNDATION TOGETHER.

SO MORE TO COME.

BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO FURTHER COMMENTS AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.

THANK YOU, SIR.

COUNSELOR, I HAVE NO REPORT, MR. CHAIRMAN.

ALRIGHT, THANK YOU.

SO THE, UH, WE WILL ROLL TO OUR NEXT ITEM, WHICH IS OUR CONSENT AGENDA.

[F. Appropriations and Transfers ]

AND TRANSFERS.

I'LL ABSTAIN THE INSIDE.

SUCH WARRANT.

LEMME TURN THAT BACK ON.

I'LL BE ABSTAINING.

THIS, UH, I DID NOT HAVE, UH, BECAUSE OF MY COMPUTER ISSUES, I WASN'T ABLE TO RESEARCH THIS APPROPRIATELY.

UM, SO I WILL BE ABSTAINING FROM THIS ONE.

ANY ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NO.

DO I HAVE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATIONS OF AND TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED.

SECOND, SECOND, ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS.

[G. Approval of Accounts]

APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS.

ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? I HAVE A COMMENT.

THE, THE ACCOUNTS INCLUDES THE, THE PCARD FUEL REPORTS AND WE, WE, I, I BELIEVE THE WHOLE BOARD GOT AN EMAIL THAT I RECEIVED TODAY FROM, UH, A CONSTITUENT ABOUT, UH, AN ANALYSIS INDEPENDENTLY CONDUCTED AND, AND FOUND SOME SEEMING IRREGULARITIES IN THE FUEL REPORTS.

UM, I CORRESPONDED WITH HIM A LITTLE BIT ON IT.

UM, UH, SURMISING WHETHER OR NOT SOME OF THE EVENTS WERE JUST HONEST MISTAKES OR LACK OF INFORMATION AVAILABLE TO COMPLETE THE, THE REQUIRED FIELDS OR IF ANYTHING POTENTIALLY COULD AMOUNT TO, TO ABUSE OR NOT.

UM, WHICH, UH, THERE WERE NOT CONCLUSIVE INDICATIONS OF THAT.

UM, IN SOME SENSE I MIGHT BE INCLINED TO, TO VOTE AGAINST THIS JUST BECAUSE THERE ARE OPEN QUESTIONS THERE.

THAT, BUT I THINK THAT WOULD BE A LONGER TERM FIX TO, TO COME UP WITH, UM, A BETTER WAY TO HANDLE, UH, THAT ANALYSIS AND MAYBE GET THE REPORTS OUT OF PDF AND THEN INTO SOMETHING THAT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE USER FRIENDLY TO WORK WITH.

UM, AND, UH, AND, AND, AND PROBABLY COME UP WITH A LITTLE BIT, UH, OF, UH, REVISION TO THE, UH, TO THE POLICY AROUND THOSE, THOSE, UH, FUEL CARDS.

AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S INTENTIONAL OR YOU GET IN A HURRY AND IT'S LIKE, YOU KNOW, PUNCHING IN NUMBERS, YOU HIT DIFFERENT ONES OR JUST THE FACT THAT IT SEEMS LIKE AN UNNECESSARY STEP OR SOMETHING.

UM, BUT I, I'M NOT GOING TO VOTE AGAINST ALL THE ACCOUNTS ON THAT BASIS 'CAUSE THAT WOULD, THERE ARE MUCH BIGGER, UH, THINGS IN THE ACCOUNTS THAN JUST THOSE FUEL REPORTS.

SO I AM GOING TO VOTE FOR THE ACCOUNTS, BUT I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE THAT I'M AWARE OF THIS ISSUE AND I BELIEVE IT DOES NEED, UH, SOME FURTHER, UH, ATTENTION SUPERVISOR CALLERS.

IT.

IF I REMEMBER THE CONVERSATION I HAD WITH, UM, THE STATE DIRECTOR, UH, WHO FIRST TALKED TO ME ABOUT THIS SYSTEM BECAUSE IT'S A SYSTEM THE WHOLE STATE USES.

UM, AND, AND THEN WITH MS. SCOTT, THIS PROGRAM HAS A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO GIVE YOU ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT REPORTS, IF I REMEMBER THAT CORRECTLY.

UM, I DON'T THINK WE'VE EVER ASKED FOR MORE THAN WHAT WE SEE AND, UM, PART OF THE PROCESS IS YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PUT IN YOUR ODOMETER READING.

UM, AND EVERY TIME I FILLED UP IN THAT, THAT FARM TRUCK OR GOT FOR TRACTOR, I HAD TO PUT IN THE ODOMETER READING ON THE TRUCK.

UM, I'M NOT SURE EVERYBODY IS PUTTING IN MAYBE ACCURATELY OR MAYBE HITTING THE WRONG NUMBER OR SOMETHING, BECAUSE I THINK THAT WAS ONE OF THE THINGS WAS THE ODOMETER READING, SIR.

UM, FROM MONTH TO MONTH, A LITTLE QUIRKY WITH EACH OTHER.

UM,

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BUT AGAIN, I DON'T THINK IT'S ANYBODY TRYING TO DO ANYTHING SNEAKY WITH THE GAS OR ANYTHING.

BUT THERE, I, I WAS, I AM NOT A TECH PERSON, AS I WILL TELL EVERYBODY AND THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT WAS DONE ON THIS, I WAS JUST AMAZED AT ALL OF IT AND APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME THAT YOU PUT INTO THIS.

UM, SO, YOU KNOW, SAYING THAT I THINK IT MIGHT BE OF SOMETHING TO LOOK AT TO SEE WHERE IMPROVEMENTS OR ESPECIALLY BECAUSE YOU CAN USE THIS TO KEEP UP WITH THE MAINTENANCE OF YOUR, YOUR VEHICLES AND USE THAT AS A GUIDELINE AND A REINFORCEMENT WHEN SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE OR WHOEVER'S GOT VEHICLES COME TO US AND SAY, WE NEED NEW VEHICLES.

HERE'S THE PROOF.

HERE'S ALL THE DATA ON IT TO BACK UP THE NEED.

UM, AND ON THE REST, I, I'VE GONE THROUGH AND I GO THROUGH AND THROUGH THESE, UM, PCARD THINGS AND I DO WANNA SAY I HAVEN'T SEEN HARDLY ANY JUST PLAIN PURCHASE AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

I KNOW THAT'S TAKEN A WHILE AND PEOPLE GET TIRED OF ME TALKING ABOUT THAT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN PEOPLE ASK YOU, 'CAUSE THIS ALL GOES OUT, WHAT WAS THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY SPENT FOR IT? IT IS JUST A BAD LOOK.

NOT TO, TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IT AND SAY, WELL, GEE WAS, I DON'T KNOW, BUT I APPROVED IT.

SO I DO APPRECIATE THAT, THAT I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE GONE THROUGH HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES AND I DON'T THINK I SEE ANY THAT JUST SAYS PURCHASE WITHOUT A DESCRIPTION AND I APPRECIATE THAT.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS? THANK YOU MR. SCHOLARS.

I DID WANNA SAY THAT I DID RECEIVE THE REPORT FROM THE CITIZEN AS WELL, AND I'M ALSO VERY APPRECIATIVE OF THE TIME AND EFFORT THAT IT TOOK INTO GOING THROUGH THE DATA AND ANALYZING IT ACCORDINGLY.

SO, UM, I HAVE SENT THE REPORT TO ADMINISTRATION AND I BELIEVE IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO POSSIBLY LOOK AT EACH INDIVIDUAL ITEM THAT WAS PROVIDED, UM, TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED, UH, WHETHER IT WAS A, A FINGER MISTAKE ON THE, ON A KEYPAD, UM, OR LOOKING INTO WHAT BETTER REPORTING WE CAN PULL FROM THE MANSFIELD FUEL REPORT, UH, GOING ALL THE WAY TO POSSIBLY DEVELOPING A FUEL POLICY.

UH, SO IT IS UP TO THE DEPARTMENT HEAD TO REVIEW THOSE INDIVIDUAL PURCHASES AND ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR DEPARTMENT POLICIES.

BUT WE'D BE HAPPY TO LOOK AT THAT IN THE FUTURE.

AND THAT'S A TASK BECAUSE WHEN YOU'VE GOT VEHICLES THAT, UM, RUN CHEF KLEIN, YOU RUN 12, 10 HOUR SHIFTS OR 12 HOUR SHIFTS, 12 WHEN THEY'RE RUNNING 12 HOURS, THEY, THEY, UM, THEY TAKE GAS, A LOT OF IT.

SO IT'S A LOT TO KEEP UP WITH AND IF ANYBODY EVER SEES THAT RUNNING LIST, IT'S, IT'S A LONG LIST.

IT CERTAINLY IS.

ON THE OCTOBER 7TH REGULAR MEETING.

SO DO APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S EFFORTS.

UM, AND I KNOW IT'S TEDIOUS.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? I WILL MOVE TO APPROVE ACCOUNTS AS PRESENTED.

NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES

[H. Approval of Minutes - October 7th Regular Meeting]

I HAVE NO CHANGES.

TAKE IT.

THAT, UH, SUPERVISOR HENRY, YOU, YOU, YOU'RE STILL ABSTAINING ON THIS.

I DIDN'T EVEN PARTICIPATE IN THAT MEETING, I THINK, I DON'T THINK IT'D BE FAIR.

CAN GET TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.

VOTE ON I MOVE TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED.

I HAVE A SECOND, SECOND.

ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS.

[M. Consent Agenda ]

DO I HAVE ANY ADDITIONS OR, OR NOT ADDITIONS? DO I HAVE ANY, ANY ITEMS THAT WANT TO BE PULLED? YEAH, I WOULD LIKE TO, I'D LIKE TO PULL ITEM SIX.

DID YOU WANNA PULL THAT AND TALK ABOUT IT OR JUST TAPE? YES.

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WE HAVE A, A PRESENTER.

ALRIGHT, ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY.

SO DO I HAVE A, UM, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, ITEMS ONE THROUGH FIVE AND SEVEN, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS, UH, PRESENTED WITH THE EXCEPTION, UH, THAT, UH, ITEM SIX WILL BE DROPPED.

WELL, THAT, THAT IT'LL BE PULLED, PULLED FOR DISCUSSION.

SECOND.

SIX, UH, AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE, ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT USE OF WELL WATER AND, UH, UNDERSTAND.

YOU GOT, UH, ROLL CALL MR. HENRY? AYE.

MS. ALRIGHT, SO ITEM SIX, IT'S THE AUTHORIZED AUTHORIZATION TO ADVERTISE.

OH, UH, HOLD ON A SECOND.

SO, SO WE'VE, UH, WE'VE APPROVED THE CONSENT AGENDA.

SO ITEM NUMBER

[M.6. Authorization to Advertise - Ordinance to Prohibit the use of Well Water by Industrial Businesses in Warren County, Virginia.]

I HAVE A, UH, WE HAVE A, A GUEST PRESENTER TONIGHT.

SO IF YOU LOOK AT THE SECTION THAT GOES FROM WEST TO EAST, YOU CAN SEE HOW THE COUNTY IS KIND OF DIVIDED, WHERE YOU HAVE THE, THE MARTINSBURG SHALE TO THE WEST, YOU HAVE THE CENTER BIT WITH THE LIMESTONE, AND THEN YOU HAVE THE METAMORPHIC SEDIMENTS, UH, TO THE EAST.

UH, MRS. MARTHA SADICK IS A CONSTITUENT OF MINE.

I MET HER A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, UH, ON ANOTHER MATTER, UH, REGARDING WATER IN THE DISTRICT.

AND, UH, UH, WE CONNECTED ON THIS AND SHE IS A, UH, GEOPHYSICIST OF CONSIDERABLE EXPERIENCE.

SO, UM, SHE OFFERED TO PROVIDE A, SOME EXPERTISE ON THE SUBJECT.

SO BASICALLY I WANT TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE GEOLOGY AND HOW IT, IT RELATES TO THE GROUNDWATER IN OUR WELLS IN THE COUNTY.

THIS IS BASICALLY GONNA BE A SYNOPSIS OF A 2010 USGS REPORT THAT'S READILY AVAILABLE.

SO BASICALLY GONNA GO THROUGH THE GEOLOGY AND HOW IT IMPACTS THE WATER.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE AVERAGE WATER WELLS AND THE EXCEPTIONS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.

UH, THE IMPORTANCE OF CONSTANT WATER RECHARGE AND STREAM.

I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE RECHARGE THIS AND THE DRAINAGE BASINS, AND I'M GOING TO, I'M GONNA MAKE A FEW RECOMMENDATIONS.

SO BASICALLY THE COUNTY CAN BE DIVIDED INTO THREE GEOLOGIC PROVINCES.

UH, THE SOLICIT CLASSIC, WHICH IS 36% OF THE COUNTY, AND THAT'S THE MARTINSBURG SHALE AND THAT'S THE WESTERN PART OF THE COUNTY, UH, UH, THIN BED IN THE CENTER, WHICH IS 23%, WHICH IS THE CAR CARBON, UH, THE CARBONATE, UM, SECTION THAT'S GONNA BE WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR KS AND YOUR QUARRIES.

AND THEN THE LARGEST PORTION OF THE COUNTY IS YOUR METAMORPHIC.

THAT'S GONNA BE GRANITES AND SOME OF THE META SEDIMENTS.

UM, BASICALLY THE ROCK THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS FROM 420 MILLION YEARS OLD TO OVER A BILLION.

UH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT VERY OLD ROCK THAT HAVE BEEN THROUGH THREE MOUNTAIN BUILDING PERIODS.

AND, UM, I'M GONNA BE SHOWING YOU THE CROSS SECTION FROM A TO A PRIME.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY, UM, WHAT THE ROCKS THAT WE HAVE.

SO I HAVE UP THERE A PICTURE OF THE IDEAL AQUIFER.

THAT'S WHERE YOU HAVE A ROCK THAT HAS HOLES IN BETWEEN THE DIFFERENT GRAINS WHERE WATER CAN SIT AS AND IN IT.

AND THEN YOU HAVE SPACE THAT THE WATER CAN TRAVEL THROUGH.

SO THE ROCK ITSELF IS LIKE A SPONGE HOLDING THE WATER.

THAT'S AN IDEAL RESERVOIR.

WHAT WE HAVE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY IS A TIGHT AQUIFER.

AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE DIFFUSE FLOW.

THE ROCKS THEMSELVES DO NOT HOLD ANY WATER.

YOU HAVE TO GET THE WATER FROM FRACTURES, YOU HAVE TO GET IT FROM THE BEDDING PLANES, YOU HAVE TO GET IT FROM, UM, FROM THE CAVES AND FAULTS.

SO YOU HAVEN'T GOT A BIG RESERVOIR THAT'S JUST SUCKING UP WATER.

AND WHAT I HAVE HERE ON THE CARBONATE SECTION, THAT'S JUST OUTSIDE OF FRONT OIL, AND I HAVE A REALLY HARD TIME NOT WALKING OVER AND POINTING.

SO I'M GOING TO, SO THE THING ABOUT THIS SECTION IS THIS IS LIMESTONE, AND WHERE IT'S REALLY THIN BED, YOU SEE THE LITTLE LAMINATION.

THOSE ARE YOUR BEDDING PLATES AND THE BEDDING PLANES ARE WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE WATER COMING OUT.

YOU SEE THE LINE THAT'S GOING UP THERE, THAT'S A FRACTURE SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHERE WATER'S GONNA FLOW THROUGH TOO.

ALSO, YOU, YOU SEE THAT YOU HAVE THICKER ONES AND YOU HAVE THINNER ONES.

THE THICKER ONES ARE GONNA HAVE BUS WATER WITH THEM BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANY WATER IN THE ROCK.

YOU'RE ONLY GONNA HAVE WATER ON EITHER END EITHER.

SO WHEN YOU GET THE THIN LAMINATIONS, YOU'RE GONNA GET MORE WATER.

THE OTHER THING IS YOU'VE GOT A FAULT PLANE UP HERE.

THAT FAULT PLANE IS ALSO SOURCED WHERE THE WATER, THE, THE, THE BIDDING PLANES COME INTO AND THE WATER CAN TRAVEL ALONG THAT FAULT PLANE.

SO THE, THE POINT IS THAT WOULD BE THE COVENANT SECTION IS VERY SIMILAR IN THE MARTINSBURG SHALE IN THIS LISTED CLASSIC SECTION.

AND THEREFORE IT'S VERY COMPLEX BECAUSE EVERYTHING'S BEEN BENT AND FOLDED AT AT LEAST THREE TIMES.

AND

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AND THOSE BLUE LINES REPRESENT WHAT THE USGS IMAGINED HOW THINGS COULD FLOW LIKE ALONG THE FAULT LINE AND ALONG THE FRAC FRACTURES AND FILL INTO OUR FRACTURE SYSTEM THAT OUR WELLS TOUCH.

SO THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS SLIDE IS THAT MOST OF THE RAINFALL FALLS ONTO THE, THE BLUE AND THE GREEN.

THAT'S THE HIGH RAINFALL AMOUNT O OF LIKE IN YOUR FIFTIES ON THE MOUNTAINS.

AND WHEN YOU GET INTO THE AREA, THE SOUTH FORK THAT'S IN BETWEEN, THAT'S WHEN YOU START GETTING IN THE, INTO THE MID FORTIES.

BUT WHEN YOU GET TO THE AREA TO THE NORTH, THAT'S CIRCLED, THAT'S WHERE THE DRIEST PART OF THE COUNTY IS.

AND YOU'RE GETTING INTO, UM, YOUR THIRTIES AND YOUR LOWER FORTIES THERE OF INCHES OF RAIN PER YEAR.

NOW THAT, NOW THAT, THAT, THAT'S WHERE THE COUNTY, OR THAT'S WHERE FRONT ROYAL IS.

THIS IS FROM THE REPORT.

THIS IS FROM THE 2000, NO, THAT'S WHERE FRONT, BUT THAT'S WHERE FRONT ROYAL IS.

IS IT? I DON'T HEAR VERY WELL.

SORRY, THAT THAT'S WHERE FRONT ROYAL IS.

THAT THAT'S THE, THAT'S ACTUALLY WHERE FRONT WALL IS IS GONNA BE WHERE THE TWO RIVER, THE THE NORTH BOARD FROM THE SOUTH COURT RIGHT HERE.

YEAH, THE FRONT WALL SITS RIGHT HERE.

AND IN THE MARTINSBURG SHALE.

5 22 RUNS ALONG THAT LINE RIGHT THERE.

SO THE, THE REASON WHY I'VE GOT THE AREA SHOWN IN CIRCLE.

SO BASICALLY THE MOUNTAINS ARE FOCUSING ALL THE DRAINAGE IN TOWARDS THE SOUTH FORK OF THE SHUTTLE RIVER AND COMING TOWARDS FRONT ROYAL.

AND THEN WHERE IT JOINS THE NORTH FORK, IT HEADS OFF TO THE EAST, THE AREA THAT'S CIRCLED.

THE ONLY WAY THAT YOU GET WATER THERE IS YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE RAIN AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE ABSORPTION FROM THE SURFACE.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FUNNEL FUNK, UH, FOCUSED, UH, WATER SOURCE THERE.

YOU HAVE NOT, LIKE YOU'VE GOT THE MOUNTAINS LIKE A BOWL THAT ARE, ARE PUSHING WATER THAT WAY.

SO, AND IT'S ALSO THE AREA THAT HAS THE DRIEST AMOUNT OF, OF RAIN FOR THE COUNTY.

OKAY, SO THEN THIS IS YOUR WATER WELLS THAT THIS IS THE, UH, SO BASICALLY ON THE LEFT SIDE YOU HAVE WELLS WITH LESS THAN FIVE GALLONS PER MINUTE.

AND UM, YOU CAN SEE AND ON THE RIGHT ARE THE ONES THAT ARE 50 GALLONS PER MINUTE.

SO BASICALLY YOUR WATER WELLS GO FROM ZERO TO 200 GALLONS PER MINUTE.

THE 200 GALLON PER MINUTE IS AN EXCEPTION.

IT'S A RARITY.

THERE MAY BE TWO WHOLE WELLS IN THE WHOLE COUNTY THAT DOES THAT, WHERE YOUR AVERAGE, UH, MEDIAN YIELD FOR, FOR THE WELLS IS ABOUT 10 TO 20 GALLONS PER MINUTE.

AND IF YOU NOTICE IT'S QUITE, UH, VARIABLE ACROSS THE COUNTY.

IF YOU LOOK ON THE LEFT, YOU'LL SEE A DARK GREEN CIRCLE.

AND IF YOU LOOK OVER TO NOT NO TO THE RIGHT HERE, LET ME DO THIS, I'M BETTER AT THIS.

SO YOU LOOK HERE WHERE YOU HAVE A CLUSTER OF, OF FIVE WELLS IN THE SAME AREA.

YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE A CLUSTER OF WELLS THAT MAKE FIVE LESS THAN FIVE GALLONS PER, PER MINUTE.

SO IT'S HIGHLY VARIABLE DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU ARE.

IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A BLANKET AND IT DEPENDS ON THE FRACTURE SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE IN AT THE TIME.

UM, THE OTHER THING TO POINT OUT, MOST WELLS ARE BETWEEN TWO AND 400 FEET.

UM, IN DEPTH.

THERE'S USUALLY THERE'S ONE, A COUPLE THREE THAT ARE 1500 FOOT IN DEPTH WATER WELLS.

AND THEN THEY'RE BOTH, MOST WATER WELLS HAVE A A TWO ZONE, AN UPPER ZONE AND A LOWER ZONE.

AND IT DOESN'T SEEM TO MATTER WHICH SEDIMENT YOU'RE IN.

I COULDN'T GET OUT OF THE REPORT A REASON BEHIND THAT.

BUT THERE SEEMS TO BE AN UPPER AND A LOWER ZONE.

IT PROBABLY HAS TO DO SOMETHING WITH PRESSURE.

SO THIS IS BASICALLY JUST TALK ABOUT RECHARGE.

THIS IS, UH, THE USGS WORK WHERE THEY LOOKED AT THE DIFFERENT SPRINGS AND THEY DID SOME ISOTOPE WORK AND THEY BASICALLY SAID THE RECHARGE, THE AVERAGE RECHARGE IS FROM ZERO TO THREE YEARS.

THERE ARE A FEW WELLS, A FEW SPRINGS THAT UM, HAVE WATER IN IT THAT IS EIGHT YEARS OLD.

BUT THE THING I'M GONNA STAY HERE ABOUT RECHARGE, IT DEPENDS ON THE RAINFALL, RAINFALL, BUT NOT ONLY THE RAINFALL, BUT THE TYPE OF RAINFALL SNOW, WHETHER IT'S A SLOW SEEPING RAIN VERSUS A A GULLY GUSHER BECAUSE ALL THE WATER'S JUST, IF IT'S A GLI GUSHER, ALL THE WATER'S JUST GONNA RUN INTO THE RIVER.

IT'S NOT GONNA SOAK INTO THE LAND.

THE YOU HERE WE HAVE A HEAVY CLAY SOIL BOTH IN THE LIMESTONE

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AND, UM, IT TAKES A WHILE FOR THE WATER TO SOAK THROUGH.

AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GET THROUGH THE WEATHERED ZONE OF ROCK.

THAT ITSELF IS BENT AND FRACTURED AND YOU'VE GOTTA GET THE WATER TO PERCOLATE DOWN INTO THE FRACTURES WHERE THE WATER IS.

AND SO, UM, THE RAINFALL TYPE IS WHAT INFLUENCES AND MAINTAINS THE BASIC GROUNDWATER LEVEL.

AND FROM WHAT I WAS, THERE WAS A NORTHERN, UH, VIRGINIA PA, UM, DAILY ARTICLE THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT GROUND FALL, UH, WATER LEVEL HAS BEEN FALLING BECAUSE OF THE RAINFALL PROBLEMS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING.

SO THERE'S GOTTEN DEEPER.

OKAY, THIS, THE CHART ON THE LEFT BASICALLY SHOWS THAT THE YELLOW IS WHERE YOU'RE BELOW NORMAL AND THE BLUE IS WHERE YOU'RE ABOVE NORMAL.

AND THE UPPER CHART IS THE METAMORPHIC SECTION AND THE LOWER CHART IS THE, THE THE, UH, ALI CLASSIC.

BUT WHAT YOU CAN SEE IS WHEN YOU'RE BELOW YOU, YOUR RECHARGE IS GREATLY AFFECTED BY THE, UM, RAINFALL AMOUNT, BUT ALSO BY THE TYPE OF ROCKET IS 'CAUSE LIKE THE METAMORPHIC RECHARGE IS LIKE IN THE 20 TO 30% RANGE WHERE THE ALII CLASSIC IS ONLY IN A 10% RANGE.

SO IT TAKES MORE WATER, MORE RAIN IN THE ALII CLASSIC TO RECHARGE IT THAN IT DOES IN THE METAMORPHIC.

NOW THE, UH, MAP ON THE RIGHT SHOWS SHOWS BASICALLY HOW THE DEVELOPMENT AFFECTS THE RECHARGE.

SO THE WHITE AND GREEN AREAS YOU HAVE BETTER RECHARGE THE RED AND YELLOW AREA WHERE YOU HAVE THE HIGH DEVELOPMENT OF THE TOWN AND, AND DIFFERENT THINGS, YOU GET LESS RECHARGE.

SO DEVELOPMENT ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE MORE YOU COVER LAND WITH CEMENT, CEMENT AND GRAVEL AND AND AND TARMAC, IT'S THE LESS THAT SEEPS INTO THE GROUND.

AND SO MY RECOMMENDATIONS IS, IS YOU GUYS AREN'T GONNA LIKE THIS, BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO THINK ABOUT DOING SOME STORAGE.

YOU'RE GONNA NEED EITHER LAKES, QUARRIES, OR WATER TANKS.

UM, HOMEOWNERS AND INDIVIDUALS SHOULD BE CONSIDERING SHOULD BE ALLOWED OR HAVE, THERE SHOULD BE SOME SYSTEM, UH, SYSTEM THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO HAVE WATER STORAGE ALSO BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, THIS SUMMER WE HAD A, A WET SPRING AND A HORRIBLY DRY FALL.

AND, AND UM, YOU ALSO NEED TO UPDATE YOUR WATER WELL INFORMATION AND, AND, AND DO SOME ANALYSIS ON THAT BECAUSE I, I KNOW OF PERSONALLY LAST YEAR OF A, OF A NEIGHBOR WHO, WHOSE WATER WELL WENT DRY BECAUSE SOMEBODY UP THE HILL DRILLED A WELL AND BUILT A HOUSE AND WHEN THEY STARTED DOING WATER, HER WELL WELL WENT DRY AND SHE HAD TO GO DRILL ANOTHER WELL.

UM, YOU ALSO NEED TO USE THE USGS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE AS A FREE RESOURCE.

WE PAID FOR THEM WITH OUR TAX DOLLARS.

YOU JUST BASICALLY NEED TO GIVE 'EM A PROJECT AND HAVE SOMEONE DIRECT IT FOR THEM.

AND THEN BASICALLY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO THINK ABOUT DEVELOPMENT AND, AND THE PARAMETERS OF THE WATER THAT WE HAVE.

UM, MAYBE CONSIDERING WHEN YOU DO YOUR DECISIONS ON INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU HAVE SPACE BETWEEN SO THAT THERE CAN BE A RECHARGE AREA IN BETWEEN.

DRILL THROUGH TO DRILL WELLS, THEY DRILL THROUGH ABOUT 40 TO 60 FOOT, UH, FOOT BEFORE THEY START HITTING THE REAL HARD ROCK.

YOU DON'T JUST DON'T HAVE BACK TO BACK CEMENT.

UM, THE OTHER THING IS MCKAY BRINGS, EVERYBODY TALKS ABOUT MCKAY SPRINGS, BUT I FOUND, UH, LIKE A 1990 REPORT THAT I HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO CHASE DOWN WHERE SOMEBODY ACTUALLY WENT CAVING THROUGH IT, MAPPED THE CAVE AND DID SOME DYE WORK TO SEE WHAT RE YOU KNOW, WHERE THE WATER THAT THAT KEPT THAT CAVE ALIVE AND SOURCE THAT, UH, CAVE.

BUT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO COME WITH UP WITH THAT REPORT.

AND, AND I, BUT I DO KNOW THAT THE VIRGINIA, I'VE CONTACTED THE VIRGINIA CAVING ASSOCIATION, THEY DON'T HAVE IT, BUT THEY, THEY WOULD BE HAPPY TO HAVE CAVERS COME AND REMAP IT AGAIN FOR FREE.

UM, BECAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE THAT ARE INTO SPELUNKING LIKE TO BE IN CAVES AND I'M ONE OF THEM.

I, I LIKE THAT THAT FOUR LETTER WORD F-R-E-E-I LIKE THAT FOUR LETTER WORD.

FREE.

WHAT? I LIKE THAT FOUR LETTER WORD.

FREE.

YES.

THE PRE THE FREE WORD.

YES.

AND SO HERE'S A SUMMARY OF JUST EVERYTHING I'VE JUST TOLD YOU.

BASICALLY YOU'VE GOT A TIGHT AQUIFER THAT'S CONTROLLED BY LIMITED STORAGE CAPACITY, BEDDING, PLANES, FRACTURES AND CAVES, UM, RAINFALL AND PERCOLATION THROUGH THE CLAY SOIL.

THERE'S CRITICAL.

SO BASICALLY THERE'S, UM, A, A TIGHT 40 FOOT TO A HUNDRED FOOT WEATHER ZONE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ROCK.

'CAUSE LIKE WHEN THEY, WHEN THEY

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THAT, THAT, SO YOU'VE GOT THAT SECTION TO GET THROUGH BEFORE YOU CAN GET TO THE ROCK BELOW.

AND, AND, UH, I REALLY DON'T WANNA HAVE TO READ ALL THIS BECAUSE IT'S ALL STUFF I'VE JUST TOLD YOU.

IT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF, OF THE LIMITATIONS THAT THE COUNTY HAS BECAUSE IT'S BASICALLY CONTROLLED BY THE GEOLOGY AND YOU CAN'T, THERE'S SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WE MAY COULD INVESTIGATE TO LOOK FOR UPSIDE, BUT YOU'RE, YOU'RE KIND OF LIMITED.

AND, AND FROM THE, FROM THIS MAP HERE, BASICALLY IT'S SHOWING YOU THAT IT'S VERY SPORA ON WHAT YOU'RE GONNA GET WHEN YOU DRILL A WELL.

WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA GET FIVE GALLONS A MINUTE, OR WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA GET 50 GALLONS A MINUTE.

SO, SO, SO CAN YOU, IF YOU DRILL A WELL, CAN YOU GO DOWN LIKE 200 FEET AND YOU CAN GET FIVE GALLONS A MINUTE, BUT THEN IF YOU GO DOWN ANOTHER 200 FEET, YOU COULD GET 50 GALLONS A MINUTE.

I, THAT'S THE, THE PRODUCTION RATES THAT THEY, THAT THEY CODED IN THE, IN THE REPORT WERE BOTH ZONE.

SO, SO IT, IT JUST DEPENDS ON WHERE YOU'RE AT.

THIS REPORT WAS 2010.

WE'RE 24.

SO IT'S TIME FOR TO GET AN UPDATE, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THINGS HAVE IMPROVED.

AND I'M ALSO A FREE RESOURCE TO THE COUNTY.

ANYTIME YOU WANT TO TALK GEOLOGY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR TAKING YOUR TIME, YOUR OWN TIME TO PUT THIS TOGETHER.

CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT? UH, YEAH.

ZACH, YOU GOT, YOU SEND IT.

ZACH'S GOT IT PIECE I WANT READ READ STATEMENT.

MR. SO, UH, DR.

JAMESON WOULD LIKE TO READ A STATEMENT ON THIS.

AND THEN, UH, SO ARE WE GOING TO TABLE THIS? WELL, I HAVE A, I'D LIKE TO READ MY, ALRIGHT.

THE REASON IS STRAIGHTFORWARD.

I NEED TO READ A PREPARED STATEMENT ON THIS 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S FAIRLY COMPLICATED.

UM, TONIGHT IT WILL NOT BE MOVING TO AUTHORIZE A PUBLIC HEARING OF THIS ORDINANCE AT THIS TIME.

WE DO NOT YET HAVE PROFESSIONAL LEGAL ANALYSIS NECESSARY FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION.

I WANNA BE CLEAR ABOUT WHAT MY ROLE HAS BEEN IN THIS PROCESS.

OVER THE PAST MONTH, I'VE PROVIDED RESEARCH ON POTENTIAL STATUTORY AUTHORITY AND MADE PRESENTATIONS TO FACILITATE PUBLIC DISCUSSION.

THIS WAS DONE IN GOOD FAITH TO ADVANCE THE CONVERSATION WHILE I REQUESTED PROFESSIONAL LEGAL ENGAGEMENT FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

THESE EFFORTS WERE NEVER INTENDED TO SERVICE THE SO LEGAL BASIS FOR THIS ORDINANCE.

I'M NOT A LAWYER.

I, MY RESEARCH CANNOT SUBSTITUTE FOR PROFESSIONAL LEGAL ANALYSIS.

IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT A LEGAL BRIEFING WAS BEING WORKED ON FOR DELIVERY THURSDAY, OCTOBER 2ND, BUT NOTHING MATERIALIZED THAT I KNOW OF.

SINCE LATE SEPTEMBER, I'VE REPEATEDLY REQUESTED DETAILED WRITTEN LEGAL ANALYSIS FROM OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY.

DESPITE MULTIPLE REQUESTS, NO SUCH ANALYSIS HAS BEEN PROVIDED.

THIS CONCERNS ME, NOT BECAUSE I'M UNWILLING TO HEAR THAT THE ORDINANCE MAY HAVE LEGAL CHALLENGES.

IN FACT, I'VE STATED PUBLICLY THAT I'M PREPARED TO ACCEPT THAT OUTCOME IF THE LEGAL REASONING SUPPORTS IT.

BUT WE CANNOT MAKE THAT DETERMINATION WITHOUT THE ANALYSIS ITSELF.

VIRGINIA'S OPEN GOVERNMENT LAWS ARE CLEAR THAT GENERAL STATUTORY INTERPRETATION AND LEGAL ANALYSIS OF PROPOSED ORDINANCES SHOULD BE CONDUCTED IN A MANNER ACCESSIBLE TO BOTH THE BOARD AND THE PUBLIC.

THIS TRANSPARENCY ALLOWS FOR INFORMED PUBLIC PARTICIPATION AND ENSURES THAT ALL OF US BOARD MEMBERS AND CITIZENS ALIKE UNDERSTAND THE LEGAL FRAMEWORK FOR GOVERNING OUR DECISIONS.

I HAVE PROVIDED FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS WITH A DETAILED MEMORANDUM DOCUMENTING THE COMPLETE TIMELINE SINCE I FIRST INTRODUCED THIS PROPOSAL, MAKING THE CASE FOR WHY WE NEED PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE, WRITTEN, AND LEGAL ANALYSIS BEFORE PROCEEDING.

THAT MEMO LAYS OUT THE SPECIFIC INTERACTIONS AND REQUESTS OVER THE PAST MONTH BEFORE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING.

WE NEED DETAILED WRITTEN ANALYSIS ADDRESSING THE STATUTORY AUTHORITY QUESTIONS, POTENTIAL LEGAL CHALLENGES, AND PRECEDENTS FROM OTHER VIRGINIA LOCALITIES.

IF OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY IS UNWILLING TO PROVIDE THIS IN A PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE MANNER, THEN THE BOARD SHOULD RETAIN INDEPENDENT COUNSEL FOR THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT.

THIS ORDINANCE DESERVES THOROUGH LEGAL REVIEW CONDUCTED IN AN OPEN PROCESS, OUR RESIDENTS TO UNDERSTAND BOTH THE BENEFITS AND THE LEGAL CONSIDERATIONS BEFORE WE TAKE ACTION.

I REMAIN COMMITTED TO

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PROTECTING WARREN COUNTY'S WATER GROUNDWATER RESOURCES, AND I'M COMMITTED TO DOING SO DO LEGALLY SOUND MEANS AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS.

BUT AS OF TONIGHT, I, I'M NOT, UH, WILLING TO AUTHORIZE ADVERTISING OF THIS ORDINANCE.

WELL, I I HAVE TO ASK THE QUESTION.

I UNDERSTAND.

I I DON'T LIKE TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION ANYMORE.

I WANNA BE AS TRANSPARENT, WHICH I THINK IS BECOMING AN OVERUSED WORD, UH, AND ACCOUNTABLE TO THE PEOPLE AS I POSSIBLY CAN.

BUT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING, OR THAT YOU'RE PICKING AND CHOOSING HERE BECAUSE ON THE MULTIPLE OCCASIONS THAT YOU REQUESTED A CLOSED, UH, SESSION IN ORDER TO DISCUSS THE DESTRUCTION OF THE LIBRARY, IT WAS FINE.

BUT NOW YOU DON'T WANNA GO INTO IT FOR THE SAME LEGAL ADVICE ON THIS MATTER.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE A DOUBLE STANDARD.

I'VE NEVER REQUESTED A CLOSED SESSION FOR THIS BOARD OF DIRECTORS.

NEVER.

SERIOUSLY? YES.

I HAVE NEVER REQUESTED A CLOSED SESSION.

IN FACT, UH, IT'S COME TO MY ATTENTION THROUGH THIS RESEARCH PROCESS THAT, UH, NOBODY I KNOW HAS ACTUALLY REQUESTED A CLOSED SESSION.

AND AS TO DESTRUCTION.

WE CERTAINLY WENT INTO A LOT OF THEM.

AND YOU DID NOT DISAGREE UPON THAT.

UM, THE, THE, THE IMPETUS FOR THIS IS THE AGRITOURISM, UH, ORDINANCE THAT CAME UP AND THAT WAS THE FIRST TIME THAT I RESEARCHED THIS AND STARTED DISCOVERING ON WHAT BASIS FOR ENTERING CLOSED SESSIONS.

SO, UH, IS THERE, HAS THERE BEEN A CHANGE IN MY ATTITUDE TOWARDS THE LEVEL OF, LEVEL OF SCRUTINY TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION? THAT'S THAT'S AN ABSOLUTE YES.

UH, SO THAT'S THAT.

UM, I'VE MADE AN EFFORT TO PROVIDE REFERENCES TO FOIA COUNSEL OPINIONS TO, AND, UH, LAY OUT THE STATUTE, WHICH ARE, WHICH ARE EASILY ACCESSIBLE TO ALL OF US.

SO IT'S, IT'S IN HERE.

IT'S A PUBLIC PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SHOULD BE.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY, MY TAKE ON IT.

WELL, MAY, MAY, MAY I COMMENT ON THIS TOO, MR. CHAIRMAN OR DR.

JAMESON? OH, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE LEGAL STANDPOINTS OF IT, BUT THERE IS SOME, UH, SOME PRETTY STRONG LANGUAGE IN HERE.

ALL ESPECIALLY FOR EXISTING BUSINESS.

AND THEN, UH, THE WORD PROHIBIT.

OH, WELL HOLD ON HERE.

I'LL RATHER THAN MEANDER AND GUESS AT IT, THAT'S, UH, WELL I THINK, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE COULD HEAR THAT.

BUT THE POINT OF THE MATTER IS THAT I'M, I'M BASICALLY SAYING WE'RE NOT READY TO, TO GO.

WELL, I, I'M, I'M GOING TO OFFER SOME HELP WITH, WITH WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

SO, UM, BEAR WITH ME.

I'M A LITTLE SLOW.

I, WELL, HOW, HOW, HOW ABOUT IF WE DID, CAN WE HAVE A WORKING SESSION TABLE? WE WE CAN TABLE THIS AND THEN HAVE A WORKING SESSION? WELL, I, I'VE GOT ANOTHER IDEA BEYOND THAT.

I, BECAUSE OF SOME OF THE DEFINITIONS IN THIS AND WHAT IT'S GONNA DO, EXISTING WELLS, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR NOT, BUT IT'S JUST WRONG.

HOW ABOUT WE SET A SET OF GOALS? 'CAUSE IT IS, I WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF NOT HAVING A HIGH VOLUME OR A SYSTEM OF WELLS TO PUMP 30,000 GALLONS OF WATER A DAY OUT.

BUT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN, IT COULD AFFECT, I DON'T KNOW, THE LITTLE STORES IN LINDEN.

I GOT TWO OUT SIX 19.

IT, IT, IT'S THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN, IT COULD BE INTERPRETED THAT WAY.

'CAUSE IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE.

IF WE GO TO LAST LINE THERE, IT'S ANY, YOU KNOW, HOW ABOUT WE, WE SET A SET OF GOALS FOR WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH A WELL ORDINANCE AND LET PLANNING WORK ON IT A LITTLE BIT.

I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT KIND OF WHAT I USED TO DO THERE.

I THINK CONVERGING TO, TO WHAT IS FEASIBLE TO ACHIEVE THE OBJECTIVE IS, IS SOMETHING I'M DEFINITELY OPEN TO.

AND ENGAGEMENT WAS WHAT I WAS HOPING TO RECEIVE TO, TO GET OH, YEAH, I I THE LEGAL SIDE OF IT AND, AND I DID NOTICE HERE, THERE, THIS IS NOT, I DON'T KNOW, UM, THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE, THE DRAFT AND THE ORIGINAL MATERIAL THAT I PREVENTED BECAUSE THERE ARE DEFIN VERY PRECISE, UH, DEFINITIONS FOR INDUSTRIAL WELL, THAT I DON'T SEE HERE.

SO, WELL, IT'S, THIS IS JUST, YEAH, THIS IS, THIS DOCUMENTS JUST NOT ANY NON-DOMESTIC.

NON-AGRICULTURAL.

WELL, LIKE I'M SAYING AND IT DOESN'T MATCH A HEALTH DEPARTMENT'S DEFINITION EITHER.

THAN A RESIDENTIAL HOME, UH, YOU KNOW, IN A, IN A REMOTE AREA WHERE, YOU KNOW, LIKE SIX 19 MARKET, THE STOCK SALE.

OF AN INDUSTRIAL WELL, SO I WOULD DEFINITELY WANNA, OH, I'D BE GLAD TO WORK ON IT.

UH, IN IN, IN FAIRNESS, I THINK YOU SENT SOME EMAILS OUT TO IT INDICATED 'CAUSE OF MY IT YEAH.

YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING.

I I DON'T HAVE A WHOLE HISTORY OF IT, BUT OH, I DEFINITELY, OH, E EVEN A NEW SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S NOT USING ANY MORE WATER

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YOU KNOW, SOME, SOME OF THE WELL STOCK SALE MIGHT BE CONSIDERED AGRI COMMERCIAL.

UH, THE BIGGEST WATER USERS WE GOT ARE THE GOLF COURSES.

UM, THIS IMPLICATED THAT AN EXISTING WELL WOULD HAVE TO PAY FOR A HYDROGEOLOGICAL, NOT A GOLF COURSE NOT.

WELL IT DEPENDS ON THE, IT'S SOME PEOPLE IT'S ZONED AG, BUT IT, BUT IF YOU LOOK HERE IN THAT DEFINITION, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IT SAYS ANY NON-DOMESTIC NON-AGRICULTURAL PURPOSE ALL.

SO THAT THAT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.

UH, SOME PEOPLE, I KNOW IT'S ZONED AG, BUT SOME PEOPLE CONSIDER IT A COMMERCIAL USE.

WHAT, WHAT'S WHAT'S MISSING IN, IN THAT DOCUMENT IS, AND WHAT YOU NEED TO BE LOOKING AT IS THE OTHER ONE THAT, THAT HAS A DEFINITION.

UH, AND IT DEFINES INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS.

AND SO, UH, THAT IS NOT, UH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING.

UH, D AND INDUSTRIAL, SO DEFINITIONS INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS.

WANT TO BE ABLE TO DO BOTH THINGS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE IN THIS .

AND WHAT ANY NON-DOMESTIC, NON, YOU KNOW, SO INDUSTRIAL CLEANING, RINSING WASHING OPERATIONS.

OH, I, I THINK YOU GOTTA LOOK AT IT MORE FROM A GALLON USES PER DENSITY.

YOU KNOW, SO IF YOU HAD A, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE ON A 50 ACRE SITE AND THEY WERE USING 5,000 GALLONS A DAY, I DON'T THINK IT, THAT WOULD BE LESS THAN A, THAN A RURAL RESIDENTIAL USE.

AND THEN IF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WERE IN A ONE ACRE SITE AND YOU WERE USING 10,000 GALLONS A DAY, OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE A ABUSE OF OUR NATURAL RESOURCES.

YEAH, YEAH.

WELL, WHAT I'M SAYING TONIGHT IS THAT I'M, I'M NOT WANTING TO PUSH THIS FORWARD AS IS.

AND I THINK WE, WE CAN HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND WE SHOULD HAVE OUR LEGAL ANALYSIS IN A, IN A WAY THAT IS PUBLICLY ACCESSIBLE SO THAT THE POINT IS THE PUBLIC CAN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE BASIS OF THIS ALL IS, IF WHAT RISKS THERE ARE.

BUT CAN I ASK WHY, WHY WAS PLANNING STAFF NOT INVOLVED IN THIS? BECAUSE THAT'S JOB, IT, IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ZONING, BUT IT'S ORDINANCES AND SO FORTH THAT INVOLVE, IT, IT, IT INADVERTENTLY DOES INVOLVE ZONING BECAUSE IT'S GOING TO AFFECT ZONING, IT'S GONNA IN VOTE ANY DEVELOPMENT, ANY OF THAT AS IT'S TRUE.

AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY, AS, YOU KNOW, WE ARE NOT ELECTED TO PRODUCE THE ORDINANCE.

WE ARE TO WORK WITH STAFF ON GOALS AND OBJECTIVES, AND THEN WE LOOK AT THE ORDINANCES AND WE VOTE ON THEM.

UM, BUT TO, TO SIDESTEP OUR STAFF ENTIRELY JUST DOESN'T SEEM RIGHT.

I, I, I MEAN, I, I KNOW I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO SIT HERE AND WRITE AN ORDINANCE.

I, AND IF I CHOSE TO DO SO, I WOULD CERTAINLY GO SIT DOWN WITH THEM AND, AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THEIR EXPERTISE.

YEAH, THAT'S A FAIR, THAT'S A FAIR STATEMENT.

HOWEVER, UM, I THINK THAT OUR VIEW MAY BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT OF HOW, HOW, UM, WE APPROACH THIS.

I THINK THAT WHEN WE HAVE AN INITIATIVE AS AN ELECTED LEADER, WE'RE, WE'RE CERTAINLY, UH, ENTITLED TO BRING AN INITIATIVE FORWARD.

AND THAT THAT'S, AND THAT'S WELL MOVING IT FORWARD AND PRODUCING IT WITHOUT STAFF INPUT IS TWO SEPARATELY DIFFERENT THINGS.

I MEAN, IF WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BYPASS OUR STAFF, WHY HAVE THEM, BUT A BUDGET CUT.

WELL, I LIKE THE TWO PUBLIC HEARING THINGS.

'CAUSE IF IT, YOU KNOW, IT GETS A SHOT AT PLANNING AND, YOU KNOW, WE STILL GET A FINAL SAY AS A BOARD MEMBER AND WE CAN MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

BUT, UH, YOU KIND OF THROW A, IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BANDAID, YANK, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? YOU, YOU, YOU GET, YOU GET IT CLOSE AND THEN, UM, YOU KNOW, PLANNING, YOU KNOW, GETS, IT GETS A PUBLIC HEARING AND YOU GUYS KNOW HOW IT IS.

SOMETIMES THE, THE PITCHFORK SQUAD WILL BE AT THE PLANNING THING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THE ISSUES ARE RESOLVED AND THEN YOU HAVE A PRETTY PEACEFUL THING HERE.

AND THEN I'VE SEEN IT FLIP FLOP AND THEN, YOU KNOW, UH, DEPENDING ON HOW IT GOES.

BUT ALL, IT'S A PRETTY COMPLICATED ISSUE ALL.

SO I, I WOULDN'T, I MEAN, I WORK ON IT BEST I CAN, BUT, UH, DEFINITELY CAN'T SUPPORT ANY, UH, WHETHER IT'S LEGAL OR NOT.

I WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANY IMPLI IMPLICATION OF, UH, ANY ADDITIONAL REGULATIONS.

UH, AND I'VE, AND I'VE ALREADY GOT SOME CALLS OVER IT TOO.

UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW THEY GOT IT AND I COULDN'T GET IT ON MY THING, YOU KNOW, BUT THAT, UH, THAT IT WAS SOME, UH, CURRENT BUSINESSES THAT WERE, UH, FEARFUL THAT THIS WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT, UH, HYDROGEOLOGICAL STUDY THING, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY COST, BUT IT SOUNDS EXPENSIVE.

IT'S ALSO BIG WORD.

SO, UH, WELL, I'M JUST CONCERNED.

I, I, I WANNA PROTECT OUR WATER AND I BROUGHT A SIGN, UM, OUR FARM HAS WORKED WITH THE AGRICULTURE DEPARTMENT FOR YEARS TO DO BEST PRACTICES AND TO PROTECT THE WATERWAYS OF WHICH WE GOT CONSERVATION FARM ONE OF THE YEAR IN 2010 FOR OUR BEST PRACTICES.

SO I KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

WHEN, YOU KNOW, WE WORK TOGETHER TO DO BEST PRACTICES AND I DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS WORKING TO TOGETHER TO DO BEST PRACTICES FOR THE, UH, CONSERVATION OF OUR WATER.

AND, AND THAT'S WHAT I

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I APPRECIATE THE EDUCATION THAT WE GOT ON THIS.

UM, I UNDERSTOOD MY AREA GOT ABOUT 20 INCHES OF RAIN IN TWO WEEKS.

BUT IF YOU WENT AND, AND WE DID, BECAUSE WE HAD TO FIX A LOT OF WHERE THE ROAD GOT TORE UP, YOU GO DOWN ABOUT THREE FEET, IT WAS POWDERED BECAUSE IT ALL RAN OFF.

IT DID NOT SOAK IN.

JUST LIKE SHE SAID, YOU, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A LOT OF WATER, TORE UP THE SAME ROADS FIVE TIMES IN A ROW, BUT IT DID NOT DO MUCH FOR THE WATER TABLE.

SO I AM ALL FOR PROTECTING OUR WELLS, THE RIVER, THE CREEKS, ALL OF THAT.

BUT YOU, YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA GET IT RIGHT.

AND I JUST DON'T FEEL LIKE THIS IS RIGHT.

AND I THINK PART OF THE REASON IT'S WRONG IS 'CAUSE YOU DIDN'T USE RESOURCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE TO US TO GET IT.

AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS A LOT OF WORK TO GET RIGHT.

I WANT TO THANK RICH JUST FOR TAKING THE INITIATIVE, BECAUSE WE WOULDN'T BE TALKING ABOUT THIS AT ALL MM-HMM .

OTHERWISE.

UM, AND UH, UH, ALSO IF, IF YOU RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S NOT READY, THAT'S MORE POWER TO YOU FOR, FOR PREVENTING THAT FROM GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT BLOWS UP AND, AND BECOMES A PROBLEM.

SO NOW WE, NOW WE CAN TAKE IT AND LOOK AT IT MORE, UM, UH, AS TO WHETHER OR NOT, YOU KNOW, WORKING INDEPENDENTLY OR, OR STAFF.

I, I THINK WE ALL BRING DIFFERENT GIFTS AND TALENTS TO THE TABLE HERE.

SOME OF US ARE VERY ANALYTICAL, SOME OF US ARE, UH, MUCH MORE, UH, UH, SMOOTH WITH, WITH RUBBING ELBOWS IN THE COMMUNITY.

AND THAT'S A GOOD THING TOO.

UH, WE ALL CAN'T DO EVERYTHING.

UM, SO, UH, I THINK WE EACH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE DIFFERENT COMMITTEES THAT PEOPLE SERVE ON THAT, THAT HOPEFULLY ALIGN TO THEIR INTERESTS IN DIFFERENT WAYS, LIKE YOURS WITH TOURISM AND, UM, SOME PEOPLE WITH IT OR, OR THE AIRPORT, WHATEVER IT MAY BE.

UM, UH, AND, UH, I, I THINK, UM, RICH HAS BEEN TRYING TO BE VERY TRANSPARENT WITH THIS PROCESS AND, UH, GET ENGAGEMENT.

UM, AND UH, SO I DON'T FAULT YOU FOR ANY OF THAT.

I, I THANK YOU FOR, FOR THE WORK THAT YOU'VE DONE.

SO WHAT DO Y'ALL WANT TO DO? I, WELL, I THINK TABLING ISN'T, ISN'T EVEN ON THE TABLE, SO TO SPEAK, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TIMELINE IS FOR BEING ABLE TO GET THE COLLABORATION AND THE LEGAL ANALYSIS AND THE WAY THAT WE'VE NEEDED.

SO MAYBE JUST SAME THING TO DO IS JUST NO ACTION TONIGHT.

SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? YOU DON'T NEED A MOTION? YEAH, YOU NEED A MOTION? DO Y HAVE A MOTION FROM ANYBODY? DO DO WE NEED A MOTION? YEAH.

IT'S BEEN PULLED FOR THE CONSENT AGENDA? NO, NO.

WHEN YOU PULL IT, THAT MEANS THAT YOU'RE GONNA DISCUSS IT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

YOU JUST DON'T PULL IT AND LEAVE IT THERE.

FAIR ENOUGH.

WELL PUT IT ON HOLD OR SOMETHING.

THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S TAKING NO ACTION MEANS THAT, OKAY.

WELL WE DIDN'T, WE, WE, WE DIDN'T SAY NO, WE DIDN'T SAY YES.

WE DIDN'T SAY WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.

WE'RE JUST NOT GONNA DO ANYTHING WITH IT.

THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S NO TIMELINE CURRENTLY THAT WE HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WITH IT.

SO, SO THAT WILL BE A MOTION TO TABLE.

JUST A MOTION TO TABLE.

THE NEXT ONE, WHICH IS THE LAST OF THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD.

I WILL MAKE THE MOTION.

I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR'S TABLE THE ORDINANCE TO PROHIBIT WATER WELL USED BY INDUSTRIAL BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY.

SECOND ROLL CALL MRS. COLORS.

SO NEXT WE HAVE ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS? IF NOT, WE'LL MOVE TO

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DO WE HAVE ANYBODY SIGNED UP? NO SIR.

WOULD ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE LIKE TO SPEAK AND, UH, MR. MR. CHAIRMAN AS WELL? UH, JUST BE, JUST BEFORE WE CONCLUDE, WE ALSO MISSED, UM, OH, I'M SORRY.

MY APOLOGIES.

STRIKE THAT.

STRIKE STEVE COLORS.

I'M CHERYL'S HUSBAND.

UM, I'VE LIVED ALONG THE RIVER ALL MY LIFE.

I'VE SEEN IT JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY.

UM, AND THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND I, I'LL AGREE WE

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NEED TO DO SOMETHING WITH OUR WATER.

IT JUST CAN'T KEEP GOING THE WAY IT'S GOING.

UM, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO GO STRONGER AND I THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE POLLUTION.

I KNOW JUST HERE A FEW WEEKS AGO Y'ALL ADDED A ACCESSORY HOUSE ON AN ACRE, WHATEVER IT WAS, TWO ACRES, YOU KNOW, 20 WHATEVER IT WAS.

BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU KEEP ADDING AND, AND PUTTING ALL THESE HOUSES, THEY GOTTA GET WATER FROM SOMEWHERE AND YOU CAN'T KEEP PULLING IT OUTTA THE GROUND.

AND AS FAR AS THE RIVER GOES, I THINK IT WAS IN THE NEWS TODAY OR YESTERDAY ABOUT MERCK GETTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS BUILDING UP THERE.

250 EMPLOYEES.

WHERE DO YOU THINK THAT WATER'S COMING FROM? THAT'S WAYNESBORO A SOUTH FORK.

THAT'S WHERE WE LIVED.

WE ALWAYS LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENS.

WAYNESBORO IS GONNA AFFECT US WHEN IT FLOODS.

SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A BIG CAMPGROUND THAT'S GOT BUILT IN PAGE COUNTY THAT RIVER'S, IF YOU THINK YOU'RE GONNA KEEP THE SAME RIVER AMOUNT OF WATER IN THAT RIVER COMING DOWN THAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, YOU'RE ALL FOOLING YOURSELF.

'CAUSE IT'S BUILDING ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE WAYNESBORO PLANTS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M AGAINST A HUNDRED PERCENT AGAINST DATA CENTERS.

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN PAIGE PUTS IN ONE OR WAYNESBORO PUTS IN ONE? MM-HMM .

GUESS WHAT? WE'RE JUST IN THE DEEPEST TROUBLES IF WE PUT IT IN OUR OWN.

NOW, I'M NOT SAYING WE CAN CONTROL WHAT HAPPENS DOWN THERE, BUT WE GOTTA PREPARE FOR IT AND WE JUST CAN'T KEEP STICKING ALL THESE HOUSES TOGETHER.

CLUSTER HOUSING, IT'S GONNA CATCH UP WITH US.

UH, WE A HUNDRED PERCENT WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING.

BUT I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO LOOK AT OUR ZONING AND STOP LETTING ALL THESE HOUSES BEING BUILT TOO, AS WELL AS, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO GET INDUSTRY THAT DON'T USE A LOT OF WATER, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE REFORMING OURSELF IF WE THINK IT'S NOT, NOT GONNA GET WORSE IN THE RIVER.

'CAUSE I SEE IT EVERY DAY.

IT'S GETTING WORSE AND WORSE ALL THE TIME.

SO I AGREE WITH WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING FOR OUR ORDER.