* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:03] LL [I. Call to Order] CALL DECEMBER 10TH, 25 WORKING ORDER. YOU'RE ABLE TO MOVE FOR THE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS? ELIMINATION UNDER GOD AND INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY, JUSTICE ALL. [III. Adoption of the Agenda ] MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED EXCEPT FOR ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. MOVE FOR DISCUSSION. Z 20 25 0 9 0 1 ZONING TAX AMENDMENT FOR BACKYARD BEES. OKAY, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OUR AGENDA IS AMENDED IS APPROVED. NEXT ONE IS THE ADOPTION OF [IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes] THE REGULAR MEETING MINUTES OF NOVEMBER 13TH, 2025. MR. CHAIRMAN, I'VE MOVED THAT WE APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AND ARE APPROVED. THE NEXT IS PUBLIC PRESENTATION. [V. Public Presentations] PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA. IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES, NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD. SO IF YOU HAVE, PARDON ME? SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO BRING, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD. STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS AND SAY WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND. MR. JENKINS. JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. UH, I MISSED THE, UH, BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT. IT WAS, THIS WAS ORIGINALLY ATTENDED FOR THE BOARD MEMBERS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, BUT I'D LIKE TO MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT THE, UH, AUDIT THAT'S STILL INCOMPLETE. THE TREASURER AND THE IT DEPARTMENT, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S OFFICE AND, UH, ACCOUNTS PAYABLE AND PURCHASING HAVE A COMBINED BUDGET OF ABOUT $3 MILLION. SO WHY, WHY IS IT NECESSARY TO KEEP, CONTINUE TO SEEK OUTSIDE HELP TO GET THIS, UH, AUDIT RESOLVED? AND HOW MUCH MONEY HAS THE COUNTY SPENT TO DATE? AND HOW MUCH MORE ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND? I, I, I BRING THIS UP. UH, I RECENTLY PAID MY TAXES. I FEEL EVERYBODY SHOULD PAY THEIR SHARE. UH, WHAT I DON'T LIKE IS PAYING MORE THAN MY SHARE. SO I HAVE A VEHICLE THAT'S WORTH 7,000, $8,000 ON A TRADE IN SALE VALUE IS ROUGHLY $10,000. AND THE COUNTY CHARGES ME 15,000. I'VE TALKED TO 'EM ABOUT IT. THEY WON'T CHANGE IT BECAUSE THEY'VE GOT A BOOK THAT SAYS THAT'S WHAT IT'S WORTH. SO I, I LOOKED AT THE, UH, PCARD REPORT. I'VE BEEN DOING THAT FOR THE PAST FEW MONTHS, AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT JUST JUMPED OUT AT ME. UH, COUNTY PAID $19,200 TO AN OUTSIDE CONTRACTOR TO WORK ON THAT AUDIT. THIS PA PAST MONTH, THEY ALSO PAID $242 LODGING FEES FOR, UH, PART OF THAT PERSONNEL THAT WORKED ON THAT AT THE, UH, DOUBLETREE HOTEL. WELL, THAT'S GREAT, BUT THE BUDGET END AND THE HOTEL SIX RIGHT UP THE STREET, YOU'D GET THAT FOR HALF PRICE. THERE'S ALSO $1,500 NOTED ON THERE FOR DESSERTS PURCHASED FROM A LOCAL PLACE HERE IN TOWN, $200 AT CASTILLO'S FOR DINNER, $150 FOR SUBWAY, FOR LUNCHES, AND $1,340 FOR LEOTARDS FOR GYMNASTS. I DON'T KNOW WHO IN THE COUNTY EMPLOYEE IT'S GONNA BE WEARING THOSE LEOTARD. THEN THERE WAS $2,500 FOR A PLAYGROUND INSPECTION. NOW, I GUESS MAYBE THEY HAD TO CALL IN A SPECIAL INSPECTOR. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I MEAN, THE COUNTY BUILDING DEPARTMENT DOES A FINE JOB OF INSPECTING THE HOUSES RESIDENTIAL AND IN COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES. UM, THE PEOPLE IN THE PARTS AND REC DEPARTMENT SHOULD BE FAMILIAR ENOUGH TO KNOW IF THE EQUIPMENT ON THAT PLAYGROUND IS SAFE. MAYBE THE STATE REQUIRES SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW, BUT IT JUST, THOSE ARE THINGS THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME AND I'M JUST BRINGING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION. ANOTHER THING WAS $122 FOR TWO MEMBERS OF THE ONE GROUP FOR A GYM MEMBERSHIP. YOU KNOW WHY MY TAX DOLLARS BEING USED FOR A GYM MEMBERSHIP, $8,000 FOR [00:05:01] SAFETY CLOTHING AND SWEATSHIRTS, WINTERTIME'S COMING. I GUESS THAT'S A REASON FOR THAT. $2,600 TOILET PAPER. SO, AND PAPER TOWELS, $1,400 FOR CLEANING SUPPLIES AND $618 FOR BREAK FLUID. THANK YOU MR. JACOBS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANYONE ELSE? SEE NO ONE COME FORWARD. WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND MOVE TO THE [VI.A. CUP2025-11-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 422 Bowman Hollow Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 422 Bowman Hollow Road and is identified on tax map 3C as lot 24B. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] PUBLIC HEARINGS. WE HAVE SEVEN TONIGHT. OUR FIRST ONE, CUP 20 25 11 0 1. SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 4 22 BOWMAN HOLLOW ROAD. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 4 22 BOWMAN HOLLOW ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP THREE C IS LOT 24 B PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE RECENTLY BUILT. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING TO BE CLOSE TO THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK AND OTHER AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY. THE OWNER AND MS. CARTER, A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER, WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT MANAGEMENT OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY. MS. CARTER RESIDES WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. THERE'S HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE WOODLAND SPRINGS, UM, LLC SUBDIVISION, BUT NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS TIME. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE CLOSEST BEING 661 FEET TO THE WEST. PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS TO BE ADDED TO THIS A OR TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION. SHOULD THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. NUMBER ONE, APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE A SHORT PRESENTATION. PLEASE GO FORWARD. AND MY NAME IS SHANE D I'M THE OWNER OF THIS, UH, PROPERTY, UH, 14 OMAHA ROAD. I CURRENT OF RESIDE IN HERE. AND, UH, AND IS THIS YOUR RESIDENCE OR, UH, THAT ME, MY, UH, LET'S CURRENT LEAVE HERE, BUT IT'S MY, UH, WE NEED YOUR ADDRESS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, SIR. YEAH, THAT'S MY SECOND HOME. BUT MY PRIMARY ADDRESS WOULD BE AT 1 3 5 0 8 8 BOUR DRIVE, INCUR AND VIRGINIA IS WHICH, UH, THANK YOU. HOUR DRIVE FROM HERE. SO, UH, SORRY, JUST ME NERVOUS OVER HERE A BIT, BUT YOU'RE AMONG FRIENDS. YEAH, BUT YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA GIVE LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND OF THE, UH, OF THE HOUSE. I MEAN, UH, UH, ME AND MY WIFE, WE, WE, WE BOUGHT THE LANDS BACK IN 22. UH, WE, UH, I'M A BRIDGE ENGINEER MYSELF AND I DO STRUCTURAL ENGINEER THING, SO I KIND OF DESIGNED THE HOUSE MYSELF AND, UH, EVENTUALLY WE HIRED AN ARCHITECT TO LIKE DO THE ARCHITECTURAL PORTION OF IT TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FOLLOW IPC UH, DESIGN CODE. AND, UH, UH, WE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FINISHED DESIGN 20, UH, LATE 24. WE HAVE A CONTRACT AROUND, UH, EARLY 25 AND FINISHED CONSTRUCTION IN, UH, SEPTEMBER 25. UM, SO, UH, I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, ALL KIND OF BACKGROUND IS, YOU KNOW, UH, I HAVE BEEN PUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING HERE. I PRETTY MUCH KNOW THE, UH, THE HOUSE FROM INSIDE OUT, FROM THE, UH, FOUNDATION TO THE ROOFTOP, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING. I PRETTY MUCH TOUCHED ON THAT. SO, UM, JUST WANTED TO EMPHASIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, I REALLY CARE ABOUT THE PRODUCT HOUSE. I CARE ABOUT EVERYTHING. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, UH, I DO WILLING TO DO EVERYTHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE THAT EVERY PROTOCOL'S BEING FOLLOWED, YOU KNOW, UH, ALL THE KIND OF NEIGHBORS BEING HAPPY ABOUT THIS. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE, THE NEIGHBOR ISSUE THAT DEFINITELY HAPPY TO LIKE, ADDRESS THAT. UM, I DO LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, I COULD HAVEN'T GONE THROUGH THAT, BUT THERE IS ANONYMOUS EMAIL REGARDING THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, PEOPLE BEING CONCERN, A NEIGHBOR BEING CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL, LIKE PEOPLE COMING HERE TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, ADDING MORE TRAFFIC, MAYBE A TRESPASSING THING. I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE MAP HERE, UH, THE NORTH SIDE OF THE, UH, THE HOUSE BEING BOUNDED BY THE, UH, BOMA HOLLOW ROAD, WHICH IS A STATE MAINTAIN ROAD, UH, UH, WHICH, UM, WHICH LIKE WHILE AVAILABLE TO PUBLIC AND ON THE, UH, WEST SIDE, IT'S BEING BOUNDED BY THE, UM, UH, SHEEP RUN CREEK, WHICH IS A PRETTY CLEAR, UH, SIGN OF, YOU KNOW, UH, BOUNDARY. YOU KNOW, YOU PROBABLY DON'T WANT TO STEP, YOU KNOW, UH, BEYOND THAT, THAT WOULD BE A TRESPASSING ISSUE. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES THE GUESTS WILL BE LIKE, YOU KNOW, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST [00:10:01] DO THAT ANYWAY. SO WE, WE WILL LIKE, SET UP MORE WARNING, UH, SIGNS, YOU KNOW, ALONG THE RIVER TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY, IT IS CLEAR, CLEAR THAT WE DON'T WANT TO, WE WANT YOU GUYS TO, UH, CROSS RIVER. AND ON THE EAST SIDE OF THAT, UH, IT'S, UH, THERE IS NOT REALLY A CLEAR LIKE THE BOUNDARY LINE FOR THAT, BUT IT, IT, IT DOES LIKE YOU HAVE A STRAIGHT LINE AND ON THAT SIDE IS, IT'S KINDA HARD TO SEE FROM THE MAP, BUT IT'S A VERY STEEP, UH, HILL AND HEAVY, HEAVY WOODY AREA. SO YEAH, THAT'S THE, UH, KIND OF LIKE THE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY OF THAT. SO IT'S QUITE A, QUITE A HIKING TO GET UPHILL AND TO GET TO THE, UH, TO THE, TO THE ADJACENT BOUNDARY, UH, TO THE, UH, ADJACENT, I'M SORRY, UH, ADJACENT, UH, PROPERTY. BUT WE WILL, UH, ALSO LIKE, YOU KNOW, SET UP SIGNS IN FRONT OF THAT. MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, UM, THE GAS WILL NOT GETTING TO THE WOODY AREA OR LIKE TRESPASSING TO THE, UM, TRESPASSING TO THE ADJACENT, ADJACENT LIKE PROPERTY, UH, WITH REGARDING TO THAT. I KNOW, UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, UH, IF THE NEIGHBOR STILL HAVE CONCERN ABOUT EVERYTHING, UH, I'LL DEFINITELY HAPPY TO LIKE, YOU KNOW, TALK TO THE NEIGHBOR, MAKE SURE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING IS BEING TALK TO AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SO, UH, I'M JUST, I'M HERE SO TO ANSWER ANY QUESTION YOU HAVE OR ANY NEIGHBORS QUESTION I HAVE, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE THAT. THANK YOU, SIR. IF WE HAVE QUESTIONS AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING, WE'LL WE'LL MENTION 'EM TO YOU, OKAY? OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THAT. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ONE SIGNED UP ALLISON, MR. JENKINS, JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. UH, BASICALLY I'M OPPOSED TO ALL THESE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. UM, UH, I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED IN RESIDENCE OF NEIGHBORHOODS. ALL THESE PROPERTIES ARE ZONED ARE ONE. AND UH, BASICALLY WHEN THESE THINGS ARE APPROVED, YOU'RE ALLOWING A BUSINESS TO, TO JUST MOVE IN, UH, WITHIN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. UH, THAT CREATES A LOSS OF, UH, COMMUNITY CHARACTER AND CULTURAL IDENTITY, UH, FOR A LOT OF THESE SMALL SUBDIVISIONS. UM, THESE, THESE, UH, SHORT TERM FIRST RENTALS ACTUALLY COMPETE WITH HOTELS THAT ARE ALREADY HERE IN THE COUNTY. THERE ARE PLANS FOR A FUTURE HOTEL BEING BUILT HERE PRETTY SOON. UM, THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO, UH, THERE'S NO EVIDENCE THAT THESE SHORT TERM TRUST RENTAL INCOME THAT'S CREATED IS MORE SO THAN SOMEONE LIVING THERE FULL TIME. AND BY HAVING THE SHORT TERM CHOICE RENTALS, YOU ALSO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF HOUSING THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR, FOR RESIDENTS THAT WANNA MOVE INTO WARREN COUNTY AND LIVE HERE FULL TIME. THAT'S IT. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. OKAY, ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK THAT DIDN'T SIGN UP? SEE NO ONE COMING FORWARD. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I WILL BEGIN WITH ONE WITH MR. JENKINS. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF VIRGINIA DISAGREES WITH YOU, IS THESE ARE NOT BUSINESSES BY THE STATE LAW. UM, YOU LOOK FOR A MOTION. I MOTION OTHER COMMENTS, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 25 11 DASH ZERO ONE FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A OPPOSED AYES HAVE IT, IT'LL BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THEY SHOULD BE TAKING IT UP IN ABOUT A MONTH. THANK YOU SO MUCH. NO, SIR. OUR NEXT ONE, [VI.B. CUP2025-11-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 3221 Freezeland Rd - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 3221 Freezeland Road and is identified on tax map 23E, section 1, as lot 9. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator] CUP 20 25 11 0 2. SHORT TERM TOURIST ST RENTAL. 3 2 2 1 FREEZELAND ROAD, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 2 2 1 FREEZELAND ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 E SECTION ONE IS LOT NINE. PROPERTY IS OWNED. R ONE RESIDENTIALS LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MR. LINS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2021. THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA. THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE AS THE PRIMARY PROPERTY MANAGER WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT. PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE KENNY WOODS SUBDIVISION ACROSS FROM THE FOX, MEADOW, VINEYARDS AND WINERY ON FRIESLAND ROAD. UH, AND THERE IS NO, UH, HOA OR POA GOVERNING THE PROPERTY. UM, THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAS AN OPERATION PERMIT FOR THE PROPERTY APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX [00:15:01] OCCUPANTS, AND, UH, THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT. THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON, ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST. THE APPLICANT HAS, UH, GAINED A, A LETTER, A WRITTEN LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR, UM, UH, WITHIN THE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK. UH, AND JUST ALSO WORTH NOTING THAT WE REVIEWED THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN AND THEY DO HAVE A LOCAL, UH, MANAGER WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE DISTANCE. UH, THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE IDENTICAL TO THE FIRST ITEM TONIGHT, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF CONDITION NUMBER FIVE. FOR THE SETBACK. IT READS A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 90 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. OKAY, SIR, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? UH, NO, I DON'T HAVE TO ADDRESS ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. AS THEY COME UP, WE'LL, WE'LL BE IN TOUCH FIRST. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANYONE SIGN THAT? NO. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. UH, THIS IS ONE OF THE APPLICANTS THAT HAS TO HAVE A WAIVER FOR THE ON THE CODE. AND I KNOW THAT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS HAVE BEEN BACK AND FORTH ON WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS SETBACK REQUIREMENT. UH, I OWE THE OPINION THAT IF IT'S IN THE CODE, WRITTEN IN THE CODE THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A HUNDRED FOOT SETBACK, THEN THAT'S WHAT SHOULD BE DONE. THANK. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M NOT COMING BACK. . GOOD EVENING. HEY, YOU GOT SOMEBODY OUT? YES, PLEASE COME FORWARD. THANK YOU. STATE? YEAH, THIS IS NOT FOR OURS. OH, NO, NO. SORRY, . OKAY. ANYONE? SEE YOU LATER. ANYONE ELSE? NO ONE COME FORWARD. THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I GET A QUESTION FOR CHANCE THERE. UH, THAT WAS NOT IN OUR PACKET BECAUSE I WAS, 'CAUSE I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT. WHICH ITEM? SO WHICH, WHICH HOUSE IS IT THAT YOU GOT THE LETTER FROM? THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS THE ONE THAT LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET AFFECTED. WELL, THERE'S ACTUALLY, THERE'S ACTUALLY TWO OF THEM. IT IS 3, 2, 4, 1 FREEZELAND ROAD. UM, THOMAS MARTIN SIGNED A LETTER OF SUPPORT. IT'S THE LAST ATTACHMENT FOR THE SIDING . OH, OKAY. FOR ITEM B, MAYBE I GOT AN OLDER ONE. OKAY. OKAY. SO THE, UH, THE HOUSE AT, UH, 3 1 6 3 I THINK I MEASURED FROM THE GARAGE. HOW DID YOU MEASURE? 'CAUSE I GOT 92 FEET ON THAT ONE. FOR THE OTHER PROPERTY? YES. UH, I TOOK A MEASUREMENT USING OUR GIS AND IT WAS JUST OVER A HUNDRED FEET. BUT DID YOU COUNT THE GARAGE? WHAT'S THAT? DID YOU COUNT? YEAH, I COUNT EVERY, UH, TWO CLOSEST STRUCTURAL POINTS THAT I CAN SEE FROM THE AREA ENTRY. OKAY. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I DID. AND I GOT 92 ON THE GIS, BUT IF YOU GET BETTER THAN I DID, I GUESS SO , SO Y YEAH. TO MR. JENKINS' COMMENT, YES, IT HAS BEEN GOING BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE THE A HUNDRED FOOT IS, YOU KNOW, WHY DID WE SELECT IT? IT WAS COMMON TO COMMON DISTANCE WITH THE OTHER DISTRICTS AROUND US. UH, THE ONLY TIME IN THE LAST, I THINK TWO YEARS THAT WE HAVE EVER APPROVED A HOUSE THAT WAS LESS THAN A HUNDRED FEET HAD TO HAVE A WRITTEN NOTICE OR APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS AFFECTED. SO THAT'S, THAT'S HOW THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS BEEN HANDLING IT AND WHETHER OR NOT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGREES WITH THIS IS NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE, WE'VE BEEN DOING AND HOW WE'VE BEEN MANAGING IT. IF THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTY IS FINE WITH IT, THEN WE ARE, IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN WE'RE NOT. SO WITH THAT, YOU WEREN'T PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION. UH, AND JUST WITH THAT POINT, SINCE WE HAVE THE LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET, UH, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONALLY USE PERMIT CUP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH TWO FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT. [00:20:01] AND YOU SHOULD SEE THE BOARD IN ABOUT A MONTH, SIR. THANK YOU. THANK NEXT ONE. [VI.C. CUP2025-11-03 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 137 Wendy Hill Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 137 Wendy Hill Road and is identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 124A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] CUP 20 25 11 0 8. SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. 1 37 WINDY HILL ROAD. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 37 WENDY HILL ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO, BLOCK FIVE IS LOT 1 24. A PROPERTY IS OWNED. R ONE RESIDENTIAL IS LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. MS. WALL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. UM, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, IT IS CP 20 25 11 DASH OH THREE, NOT OH EIGHT. THAT'S OKAY. , THE APPLICANTS ARE. THANK YOU. YEAH. THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURE RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED. IN ORDER TO OFFSET THE COST OF OWNING A SECOND HOME, THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING TO BE CLOSE TO SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK, THE SHENANDOAH RIVER, THE CAVERNS, AND OTHER AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY. WHILE NOT UTILIZING THE DWELLING THEMSELVES AS THEIR SECOND HOME, UH, MR. KOVICH WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 10 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT DWELLING. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, BUT WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED ANY COMMENTS BACK FROM THEM. AS OF YET, THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, THE CLOSEST BEING 145 FEET TO THE WEST. UM, THE, WE ARE RECOMMENDING THE SAME FOLLOWING CONDITIONS AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS, UM, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER FOUR, THAT THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR AS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM. AND THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE, UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED, ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. ANY POINTS YOU'D LIKE TO ADD? UM, GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, I'M GONNA DO MY BEST. UM, ERIC SCHRIDER. SCHNEIDER. SCHNEIDER. OKAY. I HOPE THE BOARD DOESN'T MIND ME READING SOME NOTES FROM MY PHONE AS I DO THIS. I'M ERIC SCHNEIDER. I'M AT 1 7 4 WINDY HILL ROAD, THE PROPERTY JUST ACROSS THE STREET OF WINDY HILL ROAD. UM, GOOD EVENING AND THANK YOU EVERYBODY, UH, FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. UH, I WANTED TO, UH, ADDRESS THIS POSSIBLE, UH, SHORT TERM, UH, RENTAL CONVERSION, UH, OF A NEIGHBORING HOME. UM, AND THE GROWING TREND THAT WE'RE SEEING OF THESE, UH, OF MORE AND MORE HOUSES IN OUR COMMUNITY. SHIFTING OVER FROM FAMILY HOMES TO WEEKEND AND VACATION RENTALS, UH, MY CONCERNS COME FROM SOMETHING WE ALL CARE ABOUT, WHICH IS HAVING A SAFE, STABLE, AND CONNECTED, UH, NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SHORT-TERM VISITORS BY THEIR NATURE DON'T HAVE THE SAME LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES. UH, MANY ARE RESPECTFUL, OF COURSE, UH, BUT SOME CAN BE VERY DISRUPTIVE TO OUR DAY-TO-DAY LIVES. UH, THEY MAY NOT NOT UNDERSTAND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD NORMS MAY DISREGARD QUIET HOURS AND MAY TREAT OUR STREETS AND SHARED PLACES, A PLACE TO AS A PLACE TO PASS THROUGH RATHER THAN A PLACE TO CARE FOR. UM, I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT SAFETY. UM, UNLIKE LONG-TERM TENANTS OR HOMEOWNERS, GUESTS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS ARE, UH, NOT CONSISTENTLY VETTED. UH, WE DON'T KNOW WHO IS COMING AND GOING, HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE STAYING THERE, OR WHETHER THEY THEMSELVES ARE PREPARED FOR THE RISKS THAT OUR AREA EXPERIENCES, ESPECIALLY DURING FLOOD SEASON OR HEAVY WINTER STORMS. UH, WHEN GUESTS ARE UNFAMILIAR WITH OUR LOCAL CONDITIONS, IT CREATES RISKS NOT ONLY FOR THEMSELVES, UH, BUT FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. UM, ANOTHER MA MAJOR ISSUE IS THAT THE INCREASE IN SHORT TERM RENTALS MEANS, UH, FOR OUR COMMUNITY ITSELF. UH, EVERY HOME CONVERTED INTO A TEMPORARY RENTAL IS ONE FEWER HOME FOR FAMILIES WHO WANT TO PUT DOWN ROOTS IN OUR COMMUNITY. UM, THE THIS CONTRIBUTES TO DISPLACEMENT AND SLOW SLOWLY CHANGES THE CHARACTERS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS THEMSELVES. UM, A COMMUNITY THRIVES WHEN PEOPLE KNOW EACH OTHER, LOOK OUT FOR EACH OTHER, AND SHARE A LONG-TERM COMMITMENT TO THE PLACES IN WHICH WE LIVE. UM, THE CHARACTER AND HEART OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS BUILT ON CONTINUITY. THE NEIGHBORS WHO STAY, BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND CONTRIBUTE TO OUR LOCAL TRADITIONS, VALUES, AND, UM, GENERAL WELLBEING. UH, WHEN HOMES BECOME REVOLVING DOORS FOR SHORT STAYS, WE LOSE SOME OF THAT CONNECTION AND SHARED AND THE SHARED RESPONSIBILITY THAT HOLDS OUR COMMUNITIES TOGETHER. UH, FOR THESE REASONS, I AM VERY OPPOSED TO ALLOWING SHORT-TERM RENTALS, ESPECIALLY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOODS WHILE VI VISITORS AND TOURISMS HAVE THEIR PLACE. A RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY LIKE OURS DEPENDS ON STABILITY, SAFETY, AND LONG-TERM COMMITMENT FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE HERE. UH, TURNING HOMES INTO SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, UNDERMINES THOSE FOUNDATIONS. AND I BELIEVE WE AS A COMMUNITY NEED TO TAKE STEPS INTO PREVENTING ADDITIONAL CONVERSIONS AND TO ENSURE THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REMAINS A PLACE FOR FAMILIES AND LONG-TERM RESIDENTS WHO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR COMMUNITY, OF WHICH WE'VE SO, UH, WORKED ALSO HARD TO BUILD. UM, [00:25:01] UH, THANK YOU FOR LISTENING. I HOPE YOU TAKE THESE CONCERNS SERIOUSLY. I SHOULD NOTE THAT THE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL SPEAK TONIGHT ARE THE THREE NEIGHBORS THAT DIRECTLY CONNECT TO THIS HOUSE, AND WE ALL COMPLETELY OPPOSE, UH, THIS CONVERSION INTO A SHORT TERM RENTAL. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. AARON WOOD. HELLO. I'M ERIN WOOD. I LIVE NEXT TO THIS HOME, UM, AT 1 95 WENDY HILL. AND WE HAVE ALREADY EXPERIENCED A LOT OF DISRUPTION IN OUR SPECIFIC HOUSE, UM, BECAUSE THERE'S ALREADY AN AIRBNB, WE'RE ON THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. THERE'S ALREADY AN AIRBNB DOWN THE HILL FROM US AND WE'VE ALREADY HAD A LOT OF VISITORS TO THAT AIRB AIRBNB THAT WILL COME BLAST MUSIC. IT WILL BE SO LOUD THAT IT'S EXTREMELY DISRUPTIVE. WE CAN HEAR IT WHEN WE'RE INSIDE OF OUR OWN HOME, UM, BECAUSE IT ECHOES SO MUCH ON THE MOUNTAIN. SO SHOULD THIS HOME ALSO CONVERT TO AN AIRBNB, WE WILL HAVE AIRBNBS ON BOTH SIDES THAT ARE ATTRACTING PEOPLE. OBVIOUSLY LARGELY ON HOLIDAY WEEKENDS, A LOT OF OVERLAP. AND SO WE DEFINITELY ARE NOT INTERESTED IN BOTH SIDES OF OUR HOME BEING DISRUPTED BY VISITORS THAT ARE COMING WITH NOT THE INTENTION OF LIVING THEIR EVERYDAY LIFE, BUT OBVIOUSLY VACATION AND ALL THAT THAT BRINGS. UM, AND SO WE DEFINITELY ARE NOT THRILLED WITH THIS PROPERTY RIGHT NEXT TO US ALSO TRYING TO BE CONVERTED TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL RENTAL BECAUSE WE HAVE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED DISRUPTION IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD ALREADY FROM THIS. UM, AND THIS WOULD BE ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE RIGHT NEXT TO US, JUST KIND OF INCREASING THE ODDS THAT THIS WILL CONTINUE TO BE AN ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. ANYONE ELSE? KARA DID SPEAK. IT DIDN'T SIGN UP. I AM LU . I AGREE. I LIVE IN, UM, 97 WENDY HERO FROM ROYAL. I OWN THIS HOUSE. I AGREE WITH MY NEIGHBORS, ERIC AND, UH, ERIC. IT'S A VERY PEACEFUL AREA, TRANQUIL, LOTS OF WILDLIFE. AND I MUST, UM, THE OTHER DAY I HAD SOMEONE PARK IN MY DRIVEWAY THAT I DIDN'T KNOW WHO HE WAS. I FELT UNSAFE 'CAUSE I LIVE ALONE IN A HOUSE. THIS MAN JUST PARKED IN MY DRIVEWAY AND I, HE SAID HE WAS MY NEIGHBOR. HE'S NOT MY NEIGHBOR. UM, I'M WORRIED ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE ENVIRONMENT. WATER, WILDLIFE, TRANQUILITY, AND ABOUT AIR TRAFFIC, NOISE AND SAFETY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? DOES ANYONE ELSE COME FORWARD? THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALL POINTS WELL TAKEN. A FEW THINGS TO MENTION, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NOISE AND THIS TYPE THING WITH THE OTHER. YOU KNOW THAT THESE ARE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF THE OWNER DOES NOT ENFORCE THE COVENANTS OR NOT THE COVENANTS, BUT YOU KNOW, THINGS WE AGREE TO HERE IN OUR CONDITIONS, THIS PERMIT CAN BE YANKED. I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND TO YOU IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WE, WE HAVE SOME, UH, PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED, SIR, MR. OUR DISCUSSION. WE'RE COMMENTING NOW. OTHER THINGS TOO, ON SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE CAN PUT SOME RESTRICTIONS ON HERE THAT IF THERE ARE OTHER ALTERNATIVE AS A LONG TERM RENTAL, YOU CAN'T, WE DON'T ALLOW FIREARMS IN THESE. WE DON'T ALLOW ATVS, WE DON'T ALLOW FIRE PITS A LONG-TERM RENTER. FOR STARTERS, WE CAN'T RESTRICT HIS, YOU KNOW, SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHT? AND THE OTHERS WOULD BE UP TO THE OWNER ON WHAT KIND OF RESTRICTIONS HE'D PLACE ON HIS LONG-TERM RENTER. UH, JUST IN ADDITION TO REACHING OUT TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UM, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO HAS, UH, AN EMAIL TO SEND ANY COMPLAINTS TO. UM, IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THE, THE ONLY WAY THAT WE'RE GONNA KNOW TO TAKE ACTION IS IF THEY GET REPORTED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. SO HOLD SECOND, IT DOES WORK. THERE HAS BEEN ONE REMOVED, THE CONDITIONAL PERMIT HAS BEEN PULLED, SIR, PUBLIC HEARING'S [00:30:01] CLOSED. BUT IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU DON'T SAY ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE STAFF CAN CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND FIND OUT IF THEY HAD ANY COMPLAINTS OVER THE WEEKEND ON, ON SHORT TERM RENTALS. AND IF THERE'S NO ONE HAS SPOKEN UP, THEN THERE'S NO ACTION THAT CAN REALLY BE TAKEN AGAINST THE OWNER. YEAH, AGAIN, ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU ARE HAVING PROBLEMS, CALL HE. IF YOU SIT THERE AND DON'T DO ANYTHING, HE'S NOT GONNA KNOW. YOU GOTTA CALL. I'LL GET OFF THE SOAP BOX. ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CUP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH THREE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT WAS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT, IT MEETS ALL OF OUR REQUIREMENTS. OUR NEXT ONE, [VI.D. CUP2025-11-04 - Contractor Storage Yard - 444 Baugh Drive - A request for a conditional use permit for a contractor storage yard for the property located at 444 Baugh Drive and identified on tax map 12G, section 2, block 1, as lot 10A. The subject property is zoned Industrial (I) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ] CUP 20 25 11 0 4 CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD. 4 44 BA DRIVE. REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 44 BALL DRIVE IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 G SECTION TWO, BLOCK ONE AS LOT 10. A SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIDGE FOR MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MR. WINDS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. AND I CAN CONFIRM YOU GOT THE APPLICATION NUMBER CORRECT. THANK YOU. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 4 4 BA DRIVE. THE INTENDED USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDES BOTH INDOOR STORAGE WITH A PROPOSED 328,600 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING AND TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS, TOTALING 21.76 ACRES. THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 28 ALLOW FOR THE INDOOR STORAGE WHERE HOUSING USE BY RIGHT WHILE YARD FOR STORAGE OF COAL LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT IS PERMISSIBLE ONLY UPON ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THIS REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR THE STORAGE OF ELECTRICAL HVAC POWER GENERATION EQUIPMENT AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY FOR DATA CENTER CONSTRUCTION AND OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS. WHILE THE EQUIPMENT AWAITS INSTALLATIONS AT, UH, VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SUPPLEMENTAL CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLAN WITH THIS APPLICATION SHOWING THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING LOCATION, STORAGE YARD LOCATIONS, POTENTIAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS, AND ASSOCIATED PARKING AREAS AND INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS. A SITE PLAN COMPLIANT WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 64 WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, THIS IS LIVES JUST OUTSIDE OF THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE STEVENS INDUSTRIAL PARK AREA. UM, WE, UH, WE'RE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, FRONT, ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, A SIP LAND SHALL BE PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT SHOWING THE BUILDING'S INGRESS, EGRESS PARKING AREAS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, STORAGE AREAS, TRASH RECEPTACLES, SIGNAGE, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING SITE REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER THREE, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SERVICING THE BUILDING SHALL BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING. NUMBER FOUR, ALL LIGHT FIXTURES SHALL BE FULLY SHIELDED AND SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2 REGARDING LIGHTING. AND NUMBER FIVE, THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH 49.1 REGARDING LANDSCAPING. FINALLY, NUMBER SIX, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF BALL DRIVE WITH FENCING APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF. SUCH FENCING SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND MAY CONSIST OF CHAIN LINK WITH OPAQUE FABRIC COVERING SLATS OR SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO AVIS ACHIEVE VISUAL SCREENING. OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SCREENING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 18. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED. THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING, UH, WITH SOME, SOME SPEAKERS AS WELL. AND THEY DO HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION FOR YOU. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO IF THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO COME FORWARD. [00:35:05] GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS ASHLEY KYLE. I AM A LAND USE ATTORNEY FROM THE LAW FIRM OF ROTH JACKSON. WITH ME THIS EVENING, I'VE GOT JOHN MASON, MANAGING DIRECTOR OF DEVELOPMENT FROM FELD DEVELOPMENT, LLC, AND MALACHI MILLS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS FROM RK. AND KI WILL LET MR. MASON INTRODUCE HIS COMPANY BRIEFLY. GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. MY NAME IS JOHN MASON. I'M WITH LINGFIELD DEVELOPMENT. UH, JUST BY WAY OF INTRODUCTION, WE ARE A VIRGINIA HEADQUARTERED COMPANY, UH, FOUNDED IN THE FIFTIES. IT'S A THIRD GENERATION FAMILY RUN BUSINESS. UH, WE OPERATE IN COMMERCIAL REAL ESTATE, BOTH DEVELOPMENT AND ACQUISITIONS, UH, OF MULTI-FAMILY OFFICE, MEDICAL OFFICE, LIFE SCIENCE, INDUSTRIAL, UM, AND RETAIL. UH, AND AS I MENTIONED PREVIOUSLY, IT'S THIRD GENERATION. I'M CURRENTLY WORKING WITH, UH, GEN THREE AND UH, WE'RE BASED IN HEADQUARTERED IN RICHMOND, HAVE BEEN ALWAYS, WE'RE DOING QUITE A BIT OF DEVELOPMENT THROUGHOUT THE VIRGINIA AREA, UM, SPECIFICALLY IN THE RICHMOND AREA, BUT ALSO, UH, NORTHWEST ALONG THE I 81 CORRIDOR. AND WE'VE IDENTIFIED THIS PROPERTY AND WE ARE SEEKING THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BASED ON TRENDS WE'RE SEEING IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND TO DO IT RESPONSIBLY, UH, WITH ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU'LL SEE ASHLEY PRESENT IN OUR CASE. BUT, UM, JUST WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT WE ARE HERE LOCAL TO THE EXTENT THAT WE'RE IN VIRGINIA AND WE'RE REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. OKAY. SO THIS IS OUR SITE LOCATED ON BALL DRIVE, WHICH IS ABOUT FIVE MILES NORTH OF HERE AND ALSO NORTH OF 66 IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. UM, I'LL, I'LL BRIEFLY INTRODUCE THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES. SO TO OUR NORTHWEST WE HAVE CISCO, WHICH IS A FOOD DISTRIBUTION, UM, CENTER, UM, TO THE NORTHEAST WE HAVE THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORIZATION OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, AND THEN TO THE SOUTH SOUTHWEST WE'VE GOT TORY PLASTIC, UM, WHICH IS PLASTIC FABRICATION. UM, AND THEN WE ALSO ARE SURROUNDED BY A COUPLE OF AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES AS WELL AS A CHURCH CEMETERY UP TO OUR, UH, NORTH, UH, CORRIDOR. UM, THE PROJECT INFORMATION, UM, THIS IS COMPLIANT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IDENTIFIES THIS AREA FOR CONTINUED INDUSTRIAL LAND USES. THE PROPERTY ITSELF CONSISTS OF APPROXIMATELY 71.1 ACRES, ZONED INDUSTRIAL. UH, IT'S CURRENTLY VACANT LAND. UM, AS MR. LINZ WAS SAYING, INDUSTRIAL INDOOR STORAGE AND WAREHOUSING IS PERMITTED BY RIGHT IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT, UM, WHEREBY A YARD FOR THE STORAGE OF COAL LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT IS PERMISSIBLE BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHICH IS WHY WE'RE HERE. UM, THE INTENDED USE INCLUDES, UM, INDOOR STORAGE, A 300 2320 8,000, 600 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING. IT'S GONNA BE APPROXIMATELY 42, UM, FEET IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS PERMISSIBLE IN THE INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT. WE'RE NOT SEEKING ANY KIND OF GRA GREATER HEIGHT. UM, AND THEN TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 22 ACRES WHERE ONE DAY A POTENTIAL END USER COULD STORE THINGS LIKE ELECTRICAL, HVAC, POWER GENERATION EQUIPMENT, UM, OR OTHER TYPES OF BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT AWAITING, UM, INSTALLATION AT VARIOUS IN, IN CUSTOMER LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION. UM, AND FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS, THERE'S REALLY VERY MINIMAL IMPACT. UM, MINIMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT, ESTIMATED REALLY ONLY LIKE 30 EMPLOYEES, UM, THAT WOULD COME AND GO. AND MINIMAL TRUCK IMPACT ESTIMATED TO BE ONLY ABOUT FIVE A DAY. THIS IS THE CONCEPT PLAN. UM, THIS IS ANOTHER ITERATION OF IT. YOU CAN SEE THE BUILDING ALONG BALL ROAD ABOVE DRIVE, EXCUSE ME, AND THEN THE TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD BEHIND IT. UM, TO ALSO TO THE, UM, UH, TO THE SOUTHEAST. THE PROPERTY IS BORDERED BY THE, UM, A RAILROAD LINE. THIS IS THE BEST PICTURE OF, UH, THE PROJECT WHERE WE'VE GOT THE BUILDING, UM, AT THE FRONT OF FALL DRIVE AND THEN THE TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS BEHIND IT. WE HAVE WORKED WITH STAFF AND THEY HAVE RECOMMENDED THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS THAT MR. LINS DISCUSSED WITH YOU. AND MY CLIENT IS FULLY AMENABLE TO COMPLY WITH ALL OF THESE. UM, TWO THAT I WILL TOUCH ON QUICKLY. LANDSCAPING, THIS IS AN IMAGE FROM ANOTHER, UM, PROJECT AND WE WOULD BE LANDSCAPING IT SIMILAR TO THIS. AND THEN THE FENCING THAT WE WOULD [00:40:01] INCLUDE, UM, ALONG WITH GATED ACCESS WOULD BE OF THIS VARIETY. UM, EITHER CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH PVC SLATS OR CHAIN LINK FENCE WITH PRIVACY SCREEN. AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE FOR YOU. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME, FOR MY CLIENT? NOT AT THIS POINT. OKAY, THANK YOU. OKAY. WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. DOES ANYONE SIGN TO SPEAK? NO. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED GIVEN EVERYTHING THAT'S BACK THERE. THIS, THIS FITS PERFECTLY WITH WITHIN THE, IT'S EXACTLY, YEAH. WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE, SO IT'S, YEAH. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF, UH, WOULD THIS PERMIT THEN BE, UH, LIKE IF ANOTHER USER COMES ALONG, ARE THEY STILL RESTRICTED TO STORAGE OF ELECTRICAL, HVAC POWER GENERATION EQUIPMENT? OR WOULD THEY THEN BE ABLE TO STORE COAL, LUMBER? ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE, YEAH, TECHNICALLY IT ALL FALLS UNDER THAT SAME, UH, LISTED USE. UM, AND SO IT WOULDN'T BE LIMITED TO WHAT'S SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED. OKAY. I, I, I WASN'T SURE. YEAH, I WASN'T SURE IF THE REQUEST FOR THE SPECIAL USE PERMIT WAS A SUBSET, LIKE A SUBSET OF THE BROADER YEAH, NO, UM, I, I AGREE. 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T FULLY SAY YARD FOR STORAGE TO CALL, YOU KNOW, ALL, ALL OF THE THINGS LISTED. UM, I'VE BASICALLY JUST FOLLOWED WHAT WE'VE ALWAYS DONE FOR THIS LAND USE AND SUMMED IT UP AS A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD. OKAY. UH, BUT I AGREE. I I THINK IT'S, YEAH, POWER PLANT'S GOT ALMOST PROBABLY THE SAME EQUIPMENT SITTING OUT BACK. YEAH. AND THEY'RE JUST ACROSS THE STREET. MM-HMM . SO A PROMOTION IF SOMEONE'S UP FOR PRESENTING IT. YEAH. WELL I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDS THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 2025 DASH 11 DASH FOUR FOR THE CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD WITH THE CONDITIONS AND IS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. THERE A SECOND. I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE. HAVE IT, IT'LL BE PASSED ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU JUDGE. OUR NEXT PUBLIC HEARING, R 20 25 0 8 0 1 REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL TAX MAP. 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B 83 63 WINCHESTER ROAD. REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE TAX MAP. 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B FROM R ONE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL. MR. LIN, UH, MR. CHAIR, I BELIEVE YOU SKIPPED ITEM E HERE WAS ONE MORE SHORT TERM RENTAL. BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, I'M JUST TRYING TO GET, TRYING TO GET DOWN THAT LINE. SORRY FOLKS. I TELL YOU, UH, WHERE YOU HAD MY PAGE FLIPPED. OH GOD. . SO PASS ON THAT ONE AND GO TO [VI.E. CUP2025-11-05 - Short-term Tourist Rental - 347 Riley Court - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 347 Riley Court and is identified on tax map 15E, section 4, block 4, as lot 58. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner] CUP 20 25 11 DASH OH FIVE. SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 3 47 RALLY COURT REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 47 RILEY COURT IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 15 E SECTION FOUR, BLOCK FOUR AS LOT 58 PROPERTY IS OWNED. R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE RECENTLY BUILT. HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING A QUIET AND RESTFUL ESCAPE WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND WHEN IN NOT, WHEN NOT IN USE FOR HIMSELF. MR. YOUNG WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 30 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT DWELLING. THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, BUT NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS TIME. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. THE CLOSEST BEING 380 FEET TO THE NORTH PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ALL OF THE SAME, UM, AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, INCLUDING THE ALTERNATIVE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM REQUIREMENTS. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. OKAY. DOES APPLICANT HAVE ANY COMMENTS? I'M THE APPLICANT. NO FURTHER COMMENTS UNLESS THERE NO OBJECTION. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, DO ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. I HAD TO GO ALL THE WAY BACK FOR THIS. , I UH, I JUST HAD ONE COMMENT HERE. UNDER THE MANAGEMENT PLAN, [00:45:01] THEY HAVE SIX CARS, BUT YOU CAN ONLY HAVE FOUR OCCUPANTS. I'VE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO DRIVE TWO CARS AT ONCE. I'VE TRIED PRIOR TO THE, UH, MOVING FORWARD TO THE BOARD, WE WILL REDUCE THAT IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. OKAY. ALRIGHT. I I CAN ADDRESS THAT IF YOU WISH. NO, IT'S OKAY. AS LONG AS IT GETS CHANGED, THAT'S NO PROBLEM. ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU WANT PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION? MR. CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025 DASH 11 DASH FIVE FOR TEMPORARY TOURIST RENTAL WITH CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE. A. AYE. OPPOSED? I'VE HAD IT. IT'LL BE POURED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. THANK YOU. YEAH. NOW FI HATE [VI.F. R2025-08-01 - Rezoning from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C) - Tax Map #12A--1-9---1B (8363 Winchester Road) - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone tax map #12A--1-9---1B from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C). - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ] MATH AGAIN. R 25 0 5 0 8 0 1 REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL TAX MAP, 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B 83 63 WINCHESTER ROAD, A REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP TO REZONE TAX MAP. 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B FROM R ONE RESIDENTIAL TO COMMERCIAL MR. LENS. THANK YOU MR. CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP AND REZONE 0.37 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TWO COMMERCIAL. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8 3 6 3 WINCHESTER ROAD FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA, AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12. A SECTION ONE BLOCK NINE IS LOT ONE B. THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT AND THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. IN ADDITION TO LOT ONE B, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS A STRING OF ADJACENT LOTS. I'LL FOREGO READING ALL THE NUMBERS, UH, WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY REZONED A COMMERCIAL BACK IN 2006. THE OWNER INTENDS TO CONSOLIDATE ALL THE LOTS INTO A SINGLE COMMERCIAL ZONE LOT. ONCE THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF LOT ONE B IS ALIGNED WITH THOSE LOTS, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR BUY RIGHT RETAIL AND OR SERVICE BUSINESSES. THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT AND JUST TO IDENTIFY THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL AND THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SO NO, UH, AMENDMENT TO THAT MAP IS REQUIRED. UM, THE APPLICANT HAS THE SUB SUBMITTED A VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2025 WITH THE INTENT TO ALIGN THE PROFFERS WITH THE 2008 PROFFERS FROM THE 2006 REZONING APPLICABLE TO THE PREVIOUSLY REZONED ADJACENT PARCELS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP. STAFF SUGGESTED THIS APPROACH TO ALIGN THE CONDITIONAL ZONING REGULATION FOR THE PARCELS ONCE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE PARCEL. THE SUBMITTED VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT INCLUDES A ONE-TIME MONETARY CONTRIBUTION TO THE NORTH RIVER VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST IN ITS CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUILDING MATERIALS SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS CONFORMING TO THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS AND ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES, AND STORM WATER MANAGEMENT. THE PROFFER STATEMENT ALSO INCLUDES A PROVISION REQUIRING THE LOT CONSOLIDATION WITH THE ADJACENT LOTS, DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING DWELLING, A MAXIMUM AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIP RATE OF 1,243 VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, UM, AND A LISTING OF PERMISSIBLE LAND USES INCLUDING BUILDING SERVICE, ESTABLISHMENT, GENERAL RETAIL, RETAIL, WHOLESALING, OFFICE SPACE AND PERSONAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AND HOTEL. UH, APPLICANT WAS SUBMITTED OR THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT TO BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VDOT TOWN OF FRONT ROW PUBLIC WORKS, FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, AND HANOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE. ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED WERE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET. UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER IS NOTIFIED AND I BELIEVE THE, UH, APPLICANT'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US. OKAY. YOU ALWAYS HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD, SIR? JUST BRIEFLY. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION. UH, MY NAME IS ANDREW HILL WITH THE, UH, ATTORNEY WITH THE FIRM OF MOD AND HILL PLC HERE IN TOWN. I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE APPLICANT, CAER GROUP, LLC. UM, NOT TO BELABOR THE POINT TOO MUCH, MR. LENZ COVERED, UH, PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING THAT'S THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT. UH, BUT OF COURSE THIS IS A REZONING APPLICATION FROM, FOR A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL R ONE PARCEL, UH, CONTAINING ABOUT A THIRD OF AN ACRE FROM R ONE TO COMMERCIAL. UH, THE PROPERTY IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, I COUNTED THIS MORNING, 13 OTHER, UH, RES 13 OTHER PARCELS, ALSO OWNED BY CAE GROUP LLC, ALL OF WHICH ARE ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL. UH, THEY'RE ACTUALLY UNDEVELOPED FROM THE OLD CEDARVILLE SUBDIVISION. YOU CAN SEE I, I'VE LOOKED AT SOME OF THE OLD PLATS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING TO LOOK AT, UM, THAT THE LAY OF THE LAND IS, IS SHOWN MOST CLEARLY ON PAGE 1 34 OF YOUR PACKET, WHICH IS A, A PLAT, [00:50:01] UH, THAT WAS, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE, UH, SUBMITTED TO THE, THE COUNTY WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICATION. THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION, UH, IS NOTED HERE AS THE CLIENT PARCEL. UM, THE, THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OWNED BY MY CLIENT ARE, ARE OUTLINED, UH, WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, HEAVIER BOLT LINE. THE CLIENT PARCEL THERE, UM, AGAIN, HISTORICALLY HAS BEEN RESIDENTIAL, UM, BUT IS NOW SEEKING TO BE ALIGNED WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE PROPERTY OWNED BY MY CLIENT. UH, THIS AS THE STAFF REPORT NOTES, THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR NORTH OF TOWN SINCE THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT. AS YOU CAN SEE ON THE COLORFUL, COLORFUL MAP OVER HERE, THAT THAT YELLOW RECTANGLE RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE IS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE RED, OF COURSE, AROUND IT IS ALL COMMERCIAL. UM, SO THAT, I THINK THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD VISUAL DEPICTION, UH, THAT, THAT MOST OF THAT LAND IS COMMERCIAL AND, AND OR INDUSTRIAL DEPENDING ON, UH, THE LAND OF THE NORTH IS, IS INDUSTRIAL. UH, AS MR. LENS NOTED AND AS IS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET, ASSUMING THE REZONING IS APPROVED, CA SIERRA GROUP INTENDS TO CONSOLIDATE. IT'S NOW 14 PARCELS INTO ONE LARGER COMMERCIAL PARCEL CONTAINING, CONTAINING AN AGGREGATE, AGGREGATE, EXCUSE ME, OF ABOUT 2.4 ACRES. WE BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST IS FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE COUNTY'S GOALS FOR THIS AREA, AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU VOTE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. AND I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU, SIR. WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN, YOU WANT CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST THE PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. PERSONALLY, I THINK THIS IS JUST LOGICAL. I WAS GONNA SAY, WELL IT IS, IT HAS NO SENSE NOT TO, BUT I DO HAVE A CONCERN ABOUT TRAFFIC THERE. UH, IN TALK, DID YOU TALK WITH VDOT OR ANYBODY IN STAFF DID ABOUT THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC? ABOUT THE SOUTHBOUND TRAFFIC ACROSS THE NO. YEAH. HOW THEY'RE GONNA GET ACROSS THE MEETING WITHOUT MAKING U-TURNS. AND THEN THE OTHER PRO CHALLENGE IS GONNA BE VEHICLES WANT TO GO SOUTHBOUND IF THEY DON'T KNOW ABOUT GOING AROUND, HEY, DITTLE DITTLE TO GET, UH, BACK DOWN TO THE ROAD, UH, THEY'RE GONNA GO NORTH AND MAKE A A U-TURN UP AT, UH, ON CHATS. YEAH. I BELIEVE ALL OF THERE IN BOTH OF THOSE INTERSECTIONS, RELIANCE AND UH, BLUE RIDGE HAVE, UH, SEMIS RUNNING THEM CONSTANTLY. YES, SIR. SO ALL OF THEIR, UM, IDENTIFIED PERMISSIBLE USES ARE ALLOWED BY RIGHT. WHICH WOULD NECESSITATE A SITE PLAN. THAT SITE PLAN WOULD BE REVIEWED BY VDOT AND THEY WOULD BASICALLY GET WHAT THEY REQUIRE OR WANT, UH, AT THAT POINT, UH, IN TIME FOR, FOR THE ENTRANCE THEY DID PROFFER A A MAXIMUM VEHICLE TRIP RATE. YEAH. 25. AND UM, I KNOW THERE'S A CERTAIN THRESHOLD THAT IF IT'S EXCEEDED, IT WOULD REQUIRE A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS. THIS PROFFER IS WELL BELOW THAT AMOUNT. YEAH. UM, BUT YOU KNOW, VDOT WILL GET, WILL HAVE THE REVIEW DURING THE SITE PLAN PHASE, AND IF ANY IMPROVEMENTS ARE REQUIRED, THEN THAT WOULD BE IN CONDITION OF THEIR APPROVAL. OKAY. SO OPTION TWO, AS LONG AS IT'S NOT A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT IS STILL ON THE TABLE. SO YES, THE, I'M SORRY, THE VV DOT COMMENTS DID, UH, ADDRESS THAT AND THE APPLICANT WAS WILLING TO REMOVE THAT FROM, THAT'S NO LONGER IN THE PLANS. OH, OKAY. NO LONGER IN THE, THE IDENTIFIED IN THE PROFFERS AND WAS REMOVED FROM THE APPLICATION. I MUST, MUST HAVE FELL ASLEEP WHILE WE WERE EVEN THIS ONE. WELL IT, AND MY UNDERSTANDING, WORKING WITH VO MYSELF IN THE PAST, THEY TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION THE NUMBER OF TRA THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GONNA BE GOING IN AND OUTTA THERE PLUS THE TRAFFIC COUNT ON THAT ROAD AND THEY WILL DECIDE WHETHER THERE'S DECELERATION AND, AND ACCELERATION LANES. CORRECT. THAT WILL NEED TO BE ADDED, WHICH VDOT ENGINEERS THEN ARE ALL OVER THAT STUFF. OH, I KNOW. YEAH. SO YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S 55 MILES AN HOUR RIGHT THERE. THEY'RE NOT WILLING TO LOWER IT. WE'VE TRIED . NOW THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS OF COURSE THE ROCKLAND ROAD GOES UP AND AROUND AND COMES DOWN BY THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. I MEAN, IS THAT, IS THAT AN OPTION THAT VDOT WOULD LOOK AT THERE OR, WELL THAT'S, THAT'S AN OPTION, BUT WHICH WOULD COME BACK AROUND AND BRING YOU OUT TO THE TRAFFIC LIGHT THERE AT REALIZED ROAD. BUT YOU'RE ASSUMING EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THAT. WELL, VDOT WOULD NOW PROBABLY DON'T. RIGHT NOW THERE'S A GATE THERE. YOU CAN'T GO DOWN ROCKLAND COURT AND GET ON TOP. WELL NO YOU CAN'T. CORRECT. BUT THEY DO SHOW AN ENTRANCE OFF 5 22 ON THE, THEIR SITE PLAN. YEAH. UH, YEAH. YEAH. SO THAT'S, BUT I, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS PROBABLY A VERY CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN AND YEAH. WHEN DDOT IS GONNA REVIEW WHATEVER END USE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, I WAS JUST ASKING IF HE HAD MADE ANY COMMENT ABOUT THAT AT ALL. HERE'S THE THING WITH WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, IT MAKES NO SENSE NOT TO RIGHT . OH, EXACTLY. ESPECIALLY SINCE YOU GOT RAPPAPORT OWNING THE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE. YEAH. ON THE ROAD THAT IS, IS GOING TO BE, UH, YEAH, RIGHT ON ADJACENT COMMERCIAL AS WELL. [00:55:01] YEAH. UH, QUESTION FOR STAFF THOUGH, REGARDING THE PROFFERS. SO DO I, I THINK YOU SAID THAT THESE ALIGN WITH THE PROFFERS FOR THE SURROUNDING PARCELS WHEN THEY WERE REZONED, RIGHT? YES. THEY'RE NOT PERFECTLY IDENTICAL, BUT THEY'RE LARGELY VERY CONSISTENT AND THEY PASSED, UH, MR. BOWMAN'S GREENLIGHT ON THAT REVIEW AS WELL. OKAY. UH, BECAUSE LIKE QUESTION ON VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY, I MEAN THAT WOULD IN THEORY APPLY TO THIS ONE PARCEL AND THEN WHATEVER VEHICLE, IF THERE WAS ANY PROFFERS ON VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY FOR THE OTHER PARCELS, YOU KNOW, SURE YOU COULD HAVE A THOUSAND CARS COMING TO THIS PARCEL, BUT IF YOU HAVE NOW A TWO ACRE LOT INSTEAD OF A THIRD OF AN ACRE LOT, YOU'RE GONNA AND JOIN IT ALL TOGETHER AS ONE. RIGHT. RIGHT. SO WHAT, SO MY QUESTION IS WHAT DOES THAT DO TO THE PROFFERS IF, IF NOW YOU'VE GOT TWO SETS OF DISPARATE PAR PROFFERS, HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU ALIGN THOSE? MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THEY WOULD ALL APPLY TO THE, THE LAND IN QUESTION. UM, THE, YOU KNOW, ONE, ONE THING TO POTENTIALLY ADDRESS THE CONCERN IS THAT ALL OF THE LOTS ARE VERY SMALL AND WOULD NEED TO BE CONSOLIDATED TO BE DEVELOPED. YEAH. I, AS THEIR CONCEPT PLAN SHOWS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GET MORE THAN PROBABLY TWO BUILDINGS IN, IN THERE. UM, I, YEAH, I AGREE THAT THEY NEED TO BE CONSOLIDATED. I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, WOULD IF THE PROFFERS ARE DIFFERENT AND YOU CONSOLIDATE, DO YOU, YOU GO WITH THE MORE STRINGENT PROFFER OR I MEAN YOU WOULDN'T STACK LIKE VEHICLE TRIPS, RIGHT? NO, BUT THE PROFFER IS IDENTIFIED AS BEING INCLUSIVE OF ALL OF THOSE USES. UM, SO FOR INSTANCE, IF THEY DID A STRIP THAT HAD ONE OF EACH OF THOSE MAY, MAYBE NOT WITH THE HOTEL, BUT WITH SAY THE OTHER FOUR, THEN THAT 1,243 VEHICLE TRIPS WOULD APPLY ACROSS ALL FOUR BUSINESSES. YEAH. YEAH. BUT I DON'T, SO I, I SHOULD HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT THE PROFFERS FOR THE PRIOR RE ZONING WERE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE WAS A VEHICLE TRIP PER DAY PROFFERED WHEN THOSE WERE DO, DO YOU KNOW THAT? YEAH, I DO NOT KNOW OFFHAND IMMEDIATELY. UM, I CAN SEE HOW QUICKLY I CAN PULL THAT UP. . WELL, THE WAY I, THE WAY I INTERPRETED THAT, THE NUMBER THEY HAD IN THERE, THAT WAS FOR ONCE ALL THESE LOTS ARE CONSOLIDATED. IT'S NOT FOR THAT ONE RESIDENTIAL LOT. THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THE PROFFERS WERE FOR ONCE IT WAS ALL CONSOLIDATED. ONE CONSOLIDATED, CORRECT. IN PARCEL. WELL, I, I AGREE. THAT'S PROBABLY THE INTENT, OR, OR SEEMS LIKE IT, BUT I, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE MAKING A PROFFER ON ONE PARCEL. THEY'RE NOT MAKING A PROFFER. THEY'VE ALREADY PROFFERED THINGS FOR ALL THE OTHER PARCELS. AND, AND I'M JUST, YOU KNOW, THE, THE QUESTION IS REALLY DO VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY? IF, IF THIS THIRD ACRE LOT, THEY'RE PROFFERING 1200 TRIPS AND BEFORE THEY'VE PROFFERED 2000, NOW ARE, IS IT 3,400, YOU KNOW, OR 3,200 WOULD THEY HAVE PROPOSED THERE? I DOUBT IF THEY EVER EVEN GET 1200. I, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY. BUT I LIVE RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE INLAND PORT AND WE DON'T SEE 1200 VEHICLES GOING IN AND OUT OF, OUT OF, UH, THAT ORATORY THE PORT ORATORY. JUST, SO JUST A QUESTION AND THEN I GUESS SAME VEIN IS ON THE, UM, MONETARY PROFFER. UM, IS THAT IN LINE WITH WHAT WAS PROFFERED BEFORE SO THAT IF IT WAS 5 CENTS BEFORE, ARE WE RUNNING INTO AN ISSUE OF, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS ON WHAT ORIGINAL PARCEL? SORRY, I'LL ALL OF THE REZONING FILES MEMORIZED. YEAH. BUT THROUGH THE 2006 ONE REAL QUICK, I CAN FIND CHASE LOOKS, I MEAN THE APPLICANT'S ATTORNEY REPRESENTED THAT THESE WERE SIMILAR PROFFERS. I WONDER IF YOU ALL HAVE THE OLD PROFFERS, IF I MAY. UNFORTUNATELY NOT WITH ME. I DO HAVE TO TAKEN ON MY COMPUTER, BUT THAT'S BACK AT THE OFFICE. UM, BUT IF, IF IT HELPS, UH, I MEAN I, I CAN REPRESENT THAT THE, THE VEHICLE NUMBER OF VEHICLE TRIPS PER DAY TO COMMISSIONER GORDON'S POINT, UH, THAT WAS INCLUDED IN HERE, WAS DESIGNED TO BE INCLUSIVE OF THE WHOLE PROJECT. OKAY. SO WE'RE NOT SEEKING TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, I, I AGREE IT WOULD BE VERY, UM, I DUNNO WHAT THE WORD IS, BUT , UM, YOU KNOW, EXTREMELY NITPICKY AND, AND REALLY NOT IN, IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE PROJECT TO ASK FOR A SET OF PROFFERS FOR A THIRD OF AN ACRE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, AND TRY TO TRY TO PIGGYBACK THAT ON WITH, WITH ANOTHER SET OF PROFFERS WHAT WAS, WHAT WAS PRESENTED WAS INTENDED TO BE. AND, AND MAYBE IT WAS A COMMUNICATED IN, IN WRITING, UH, CLEARLY ENOUGH, BUT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE FOR THE PROJECT [01:00:01] AS A WHOLE ONCE EVERYTHING IS CONSOLIDATED. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT WAS, AND I, I ASSUME THAT SIMILAR, THAT'S THE SAME CASE WITH, UH, MONETARY PROFFER. THE, THE 10 CENTS WOULD, WOULD APPLY ONCE THEY'RE CONSOLIDATED IN AND BUILDINGS ARE CORRECT. CORRECT. CORRECT. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. THANKS. UH, YEAH, I MEAN, I, I THINK IT JUST MAKES SENSE TO, TO RESIGN AND MM-HMM . YEP. YEAH. SO ESPECIALLY RIGHT THERE, WELL ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO THE EFFECT, UM, FINDING THAT THE REQUEST, UH, REQUESTED ZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND IS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH A RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP CLASSIFICATION OF TAX MAP 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TWO COMMERCIAL C I'LL SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. OPPOSED AYES HAVING TO BE PASSED ON TO THE BOARD. THANK YOU. NOW OUR [VI.G. Z2025-11-01 - Zoning Text Amendments for Rooster Exception to Backyard Chickens in the Residential-One (R-1) Zoning District - An ordinance to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend subsection 180-35.1B(2) of the supplementary regulations for backyard chickens to add an exception to allow for one rooster to be permitted on Residential-One (R-1) zoned lots one (1) acre or greater in size. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator ] FINAL PUBLIC HEARING Z 20 25 11 0 1 ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR ROOSTER EXCEPTION TO BACKYARD CHICKENS AND THE R ONE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 35 1 B TWO OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS TO ADD AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW ONE ROOSTER TO BE PERMITTED IN R ONE ZONED LOTS, ONE ACRE OR GREATER IN SIZE, MR. WILLIAMS. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIR. ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS TO ADD AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR ONE ROOSTER TO BE PERMITTED ON A RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONED LOT OR CONTI CONTIGUOUS LOTS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP PROVIDED THAT SUCH LOT OR LOTS TOTAL, ONE ACRE OR GREATER IN SIZE. THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE BEING REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOLLOWING THEIR DISCUSSION OF THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THE CURRENT TOTAL PROHIBITION OF ROOSTERS IN THE R ONE DISTRICT AT THE OCTOBER 14TH WORK SESSION. THE EXCEPTION INCLUDES A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ROOSTER TO BE KEPT IN A COUP BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM AND THAT THE COOP BE INSULATED FOR SOUND. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND THERE ARE NO ADJACENT PROPERTIES SINCE IT WOULD BE COUNTYWIDE FOR THE R ONE DISTRICT. BUT I'M HERE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. BEING A PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN FOR DISCUSSION. ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? WATTS HILL. THANK YOU ALL. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS YOU THIS EVENING. UM, I COME HERE BOTH. WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS LEGALLY. I'M WATTS HILL, 2 0 8 MOUNTAINTOP ROAD. THANK YOU, SIR. WE'RE IN THE UHNO COMMUNITY. OKAY. UM, I COME TO YOU THIS EVENING BOTH AS A RESIDENT AND ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE HIGH NOB PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE ARE CONCERNED WITH THIS CHANGE. WE WOULD PREFER THAT YOU NOT APPROVE THE CHANGE FOR ROOSTERS. WE DON'T ALLOW ANY ROOSTERS BECAUSE AGAIN, WE USED THE GUIDANCE THAT YOU ALL HAD COME UP BEFORE FOR HAVING CHICKENS AND ROOSTERS, IF YOU WILL, IN THE AREA. SO, UH, THIS EVENING, UH, I'D LIKE TO TALK WITH YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF POINTS. ONE, NOISE AND QUALITY OF LIFE AND THAT POINT OF VIEW, THE ROOSTER NOISE CAN TRAVEL QUITE A DISTANCE. MM-HMM . IT TURNS OUT IF YOU DO THE RESEARCH, ROOSTERS CAN HAVE THE EQUIVALENT OF 90 DECIBELS OR GREATER IN TERMS OF THEIR VOLUME. UH, I THINK WE ALL AT SOME POINT IN OUR LIFE HAVE PROBABLY EXPERIENCED THE CROWING OF A ROOSTER AND KNOW THAT, UH, IT'S NOT THE QUIETEST ANIMAL, UH, NECESSARILY IN THE WORLD. IT ALSO, UM, DOESN'T JUST OCCUR AT ANY PRESET TIME. SOMETIMES IT'S THE EARLY SUNRISE, SOMETIMES EVEN DURING THE DAY. SO IT'S, IT'S NOT A NOISE TYPE SITUATION THAT ONE CONTROL. AND IT'S NOT LIKE HAVING A DOG THAT YOU CAN TEACH NOT TO BARK, IF YOU WILL, OUTDOORS TYPE, SITUATION OR CONTROL. SO THERE IS A LEVEL OF NOISE THAT IS NOT NORMALLY ASSOCIATED WITH A RESIDENTIAL TYPE OF ENVIRONMENT. COUNTY RESOURCES FOR ENFORCEMENT. WE HIT ON THAT A LITTLE BIT ALREADY THIS EVENING AND OTHER DISCUSSIONS. AND I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN THE PAST. SOME YOU MAY REMEMBER IN TERMS OF SHORT TERM RENTALS AND WORKING WITH CHASE TO HELP LOOK AT HOW WE MIGHT ADDRESS THOSE WITHIN THE COUNTY AND SOME OF THE CHANGES. I WILL TELL YOU IN MY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, THEY DON'T HAVE A WAY TO REGULATE THE NOISE. IF A SHERIFF HAPPENS TO OBSERVE IT, THEY CAN GIVE TESTIMONY IN A COURTROOM, BUT THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO MEASURE IT TYPE SITUATION. WE ARE LIMITED IN OUR RESOURCES OF PEOPLE AND PERSONNEL IN TERMS OF TRYING TO ENFORCE THIS. AND [01:05:01] WHILE WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THESE SITUATIONS AND CALLING COUNTY PLANNING SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, ET CETERA, IT'S A TOUGH SITUATION WITH THE LIMITED BUDGETS AND LIMITED RESOURCES. IT'S NOT PERHAPS QUITE AS EASY AS WE WOULD HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE, UH, FOR FOLKS TO GET, SHALL WE SAY, ACTION TAKEN. IN THIS CASE, WHAT WE ARE NOW DOING IS SHIFTING THE BURDEN TO THE NEIGHBORS. THE NEIGHBORS WILL NOW BE IN A POSITION THAT THEY HAVE TO REPORT IT. THEY HAVE TO NOTIFY PEOPLE OF WHAT'S GOING ON BECAUSE IT WASN'T THERE BEFORE. AND NOW YOU'RE PUTTING NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR AND IT'S GOING TO CHANGE THE ENVIRONMENT THAT ONE LIVES IN, POTENTIALLY WITH THEIR NEIGHBORS. OH, THANK YOU SIR. I SHOULD HAVE BEEN WATCHING THE CLOCK. ALRIGHT. AT THAT POINT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR HAVING A CHANCE TO ADDRESS YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALLISON, CAROL PHILLIPS, THE NOISE MAKER, . MAKE SURE EVERYBODY, I WAS HERE. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS CAROL PHILLIPS. I LIVE AT 2 0 2 GREENFIELD ROAD, RIGHT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL. I, UH, ALSO AM ON I UP AND HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT, OBVIOUSLY. SO, UM, WATTS STOLE ALL MY TALKING POINTS, BUT MOST OF THEM, I HAVE A COUPLE THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP. SO I HERE AM ALSO HERE TO RESPECTFULLY URGE THE COMMITTEE TO REJECT THIS PROPOSED AMENDMENT THAT WILL ALLOW ROOSTERS ON RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, I LIVE ON A LITTLE OVER AN ACRE AND A HALF. NO, IT'S ABOUT, ABOUT AN ACRE AND A QUARTER. AND MY PROPERTY LEVEL, MY PROPERTY IS LONGER THAN IT IS WIDE. SO MY NEIGHBORS ARE LESS THAN 75 FEET AWAY FROM ME. THEY, I'M GONNA, I'M GONNA RAT 'EM OUT. THEY HAD A ROOSTER ON THEIR PROPERTY AND TWO DOGS THAT MADE A LOT OF NOISE. DOGS I CAN, I CAN DEAL WITH, BUT THEY WERE LITTLE CHI OWLS. WHY IS IT ALWAYS THE LITTLEST DOGS THAT MAKE ALL THE NOISE, IS WHAT I WANNA KNOW, RIGHT? SO NOW I GOT TWO YIPPY DOGS AND I HAVE A ROOSTER THAT CROWS WHENEVER THEY WANT TO CROW. SO LUCKILY WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MY NEIGHBOR AND MY HUSBAND WENT OVER THERE AND TALKED TO 'EM, AND THEY NOW KEEP, THEY MAKE AN EFFORT TO KEEP THEIR DOGS INSIDE MORE. BUT THEY GOT RID OF THE ROOSTER. THEY RE-HOMED IT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY, I'M GONNA ASSUME THEY RE-HOMED IT. . I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY DID WITH IT, BUT I'M SITTING OUT ON MY DECK ENJOYING MY QUIET, PEACEFUL AREA THAT I BOUGHT INTO. AND MY PIECE IS DISTURBED BY LISTENING TO THIS ROOSTER CROW. ALL RIGHT. 75 FEET. IT, THE DECIBEL LEVEL, I DON'T KNOW HOW HIGH IT IS, BUT IT'S STILL NOISY. MM-HMM . SO, REASON NUMBER ONE, THAT'S A PERSONAL STORY. UM, A COUPLE OF POINTS THAT, UH, WATTS DID NOT MAKE THE INSULATED INSULATED COOP REQUIREMENT. IT'S VAGUE. THERE'S NOTHING, UNLESS YOU KNOW SOMETHING. I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S NOTHING THAT I SAW IN THE PROPOSAL. WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO INSULATE A COUP? I CAN HANG A, I, I DON'T KNOW, A PIECE OF STYROFOAM ON THE INSIDE OF IT THAT'S NOT GONNA BLOCK THE NOISE. SO WITHOUT HAVING, UM, STANDARDS, WHAT'S THE R VALUE OF THE MATERIAL TYPE, THE NUMBER OF LAYERS. WHAT IS THE REQUIREMENT THAT YOU HAVE TO REDUCE THE DECIBELS BY? HOW ARE WE GONNA ENFORCE, AND IS MY WORD AGAINST THE NEIGHBORS? IS IT AN INSULATED COOPER OR NOT? SO I ASK THAT YOU TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. UM, I READ ABOUT THE, THE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT BROUGHT THIS PROPOSAL IN FRONT OF THE COMMITTEE, UM, AND THEY SAID ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE, THEY WERE ARGUING IS THAT ROOSTERS HELP ALERT HANDS TO DANGER IN HIGH KNOB. WE ROUTINELY SEE BEARS. OKAY? ROOSTERS DO NOT PROTECT AGAINST BEARS. I DON'T THINK THAT THE BEARS ARE GONNA, THE ROOSTERS AREN'T GONNA STOP THE BEARS FROM ATTACKING A FLOCK. THERE'S OTHER WAYS TO PROVIDE MEANINGFUL, UM, PREDATOR PROTECTION. GET AN ELECTRIC FENCE, SECURE YOUR COOPS, MOTION LIGHTING, ET CETERA. SO A ROOSTER IS NOT GONNA STOP A BEAR FROM ATTACKING YOUR FLOCK. WHAT ELSE DID I WANNA TELL YOU? THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. LIKE I SAID, UH, WATTS HIT ALL MY OTHER MAJOR POINTS, AND I JUST ASK THAT YOU GIVE THIS, UH, SOME SERIOUS CONSIDERATION IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA AND IN PARTICULAR IN MY CASE. UM, THANK YOU . I DIDN'T THINK I ANYONE ELSE? MEGAN CODY. HELLO EVERYBODY. HOW ARE YOU? IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE. MY NAME IS MEGAN CODY. I LIVE AT 16 BROADWAY COURT IN LINDEN. UM, NOT, I'M NOT ONLY SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, BUT ON BEHALF OF 260 RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY WHO ARE HERE TO SERIOUSLY SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT CHANGE, UM, UNDER THE UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE, WARREN COUNTY IS CONSIDERED RURAL. AND WHEN YOU THINK OF RURAL, YOU THINK OF FARMS, YOU THINK OF CHICKENS, YOU THINK OF ROOSTERS, UM, THE BEAR THING THAT SHE BROUGHT UP, YES, A ROOSTER MAY NOT PROTECT THIS CHICKENS FROM A BEAR, BUT SECURING YOUR COOP ALSO ISN'T AN ELECTRIC FENCE. ALSO ISN'T, UM, YOU COULD DO ALL YOU CAN BUT A BEAR. YEAH. BUT BESIDES THAT, THERE ARE PLENTY OTHER PREDATORS LIKE FOXES, UM, AERIAL [01:10:01] PREDATORS, STUFF LIKE THAT. AND, AND THEY REALLY DO MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THEY PUT THEIR LIFE ON THE LINE. UM, SO ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S INTERESTING. AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL MUNICIPAL CODE PAGE 210 SECTION E STATES THAT ROOSTERS ARE PERMITTED ON LAND EXCEEDING AN ACRE. SO I THINK THAT'S VERY INTERESTING CONSIDERING THEY'RE ALLOWED IN FRONT ROYAL, WHERE HOUSES ARE A LOT MORE CONDENSED VERSUS OUT IN THE COUNTY WHERE THEY'RE A LOT MORE SPREAD APART. UM, WHICH IS WHY I THINK IT'S ANOTHER IMPORTANT REASON THAT WE KIND OF, UM, MIRROR THAT A LITTLE BIT. UM, OKAY. SO ONE OF THE REASONS I LIKE TO FIGHT FOR THE ROOSTER THING IS FOR EMERGENCY RESILIENCE AND SELF-RELIANCE. UM, HAVING A ROOSTER, OBVIOUSLY YOU PRODUCE MORE EGGS, YOU PRODUCE MORE CHICKEN, STUFF LIKE THAT. SO LIKE IF COVID HAPPENED AGAIN, OR WHEN WE HAVE THESE EGG SHORTAGES, YOU CAN RELY ON YOURSELF TO HELP FEED YOUR FAMILY. UM, WITH THE DECIBEL THAT, UH, THE DECIBEL NOISE OF, WELL, THAT HE BROUGHT UP, THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER THINGS IN TOWN THAT HAPPENED OVER A LONGER DURATION OF TIME THAT ARE A LOT LOUDER THAN A ROOSTER. A ROOSTER WILL PROBABLY CROW FOR A COUPLE SECONDS, MAYBE A COUPLE TIMES DURING THE DAY, VERSUS AT LEAST WHERE I LIVE, YOU'RE CONSTANTLY HEARING CHAINSAWS, LOG SPLITTERS, HEAVY MACHINERY AND STUFF LIKE THAT. THEY COULD GO ON ALL DAY LONG. A LOT OF THE TIME PEOPLE KEEP THEIR, YOU KNOW, EXCUSE ME, BUT YAPPY DOGS OUTSIDE ALL DAY LONG, WHICH IS A LOT MORE OF AN ANNOYANCE THAN A ROOSTER WOULD BE. UM, ALSO A HE'S EGG CALL. WHEN SHE LAYS AN EGG, SHE'LL MAKE AN EGG CALL. AND THAT ACTUALLY IS ALMOST ABOUT THE, IT'S ABOUT FIVE OR 10 DECIBELS LOWER THAN A ROOSTER. SO IF YOU ACCEPT HENS, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO ACCEPT, UH, ROOSTERS. UM, SO WHERE I LIVE, WELL, OKAY, SO ROOSTERS ARE PERMITTED ON AGRICULTURAL LOTS AND A LOT OF THE LOTS WHERE I LIVE WHEN A LOT OF PEOPLE WILL, UH, OBTAIN THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT TO ZONE AGRICULTURAL AND THEN THEY DIVIDE THOSE LOTS AND SELL 'EM OFF. SO WHERE I LIVE, YOU HAVE AGRICULTURAL LOTS THAT ARE ANYWHERE FROM 1.13 ACRES TO 2.95 ACRES THAT ARE STILL ALSO ALLOWED ROOSTERS. UM, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S ALL I GOT. THANK YOU, . THANK YOU. EVERYONE ELSE SIGN UP. WE GOT TWO MORE ON THE LIST. BRENDAN CODY. EVENING Y'ALL. BRENDAN CODY, UH, I RESIDE IN HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT. UM, I WANTED TO COME OUT IN SUPPORT OF MY WIFE'S PROPOSAL FOR THE AMENDMENT CHANGE. UM, I JUST WANNA NOTE, I'VE LIVED IN WARREN COUNTY FOR THE BETTER PART OF 20 YEARS. I'VE BEEN IN THE LINDEN AREA FOR ABOUT 18 YEARS. I'VE LIVED ON BLUE MOUNTAIN THAT WHOLE TIME. UM, AS SHE MENTIONED, THE USDA LISTS WARREN COUNTY AS RURAL, RIGHT? I'VE BEEN IN FARMING COMMUNITIES MY ENTIRE LIFE AND NEVER ONCE LIVED SOMEWHERE WHERE I DID NOT HEAR A ROOSTER. THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE THAT MAY DISAGREE WITH THE IDEA OF HEARING A ROOSTER, BUT LIKE WAS MENTIONED, IT'S ALLOWED IN TOWN, BUT IT'S NOT ALLOWED IN THE COUNTY. I THINK WE NEED TO CHANGE THIS TO ALLOW THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY RULES TO KIND OF REFLECT EACH OTHER ALL. NOW. NOW I UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE RESIDENTS HAVE, YOU KNOW, BUT WE HAVE TWO PEOPLE HERE OPPOSING IT, AND WE HAVE 260 SIGNATURES FROM RESIDENTS OF THE COUNTY IN SUPPORT OF THIS. NOW, NOT EVERYBODY CAN BE HERE. I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, BUT I THINK THE, THE OVERALL MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE IN SUPPORT OF THIS RATHER THAN OPPOSING IT. YOU KNOW, WE DON'T LIVE IN AN HOA, SOME AREAS THAT DO LIVE IN HOAS LIKE HIGH KNOB, THEY CAN SET THEIR OWN RULES. THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT. I DON'T LIVE IN AN HOA FOR THAT REASON, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WANNA LIVE IN AN HOA, THAT'S UP TO YOU. PERSONALLY, I DON'T. AND SO I DON'T THINK IT'S VERY FAIR THAT I, I CAN'T, BUT SOMEBODY WHO LIVES IN THE TOWN CAN. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DAVID MCGEE. UM, I'M DR. DAVID MCGEE. AND, UM, I'VE BEEN STUDYING HUMAN BEHAVIORISM FOR ABOUT 30 YEARS, AND I HAVE TO SAY SOMETHING. COULD YOU GIVE US YOUR ADDRESS, MR. OH, I'M SORRY. 1 41 ARROW ROAD UP HERE IN LINDEN. THANK YOU. UM, THIS IS THE THIRD OR THIRD MEETING I'VE, UH, I'VE ATTENDED IN. AND I HAVE TO COMPLIMENT YOU BECAUSE I SEE IN THIS BODY SOME VERY THOUGHTFUL CONSIDERATION OF BALANCING THE LAW WITH, WITH THE COMMUNITY NEEDS. AND I JUST WANTED TO COMPLIMENT YOU ON THAT BECAUSE I DETECTED THAT, [01:15:01] ESPECIALLY IN THIS MEETING HERE. SO THANK YOU. OH, THANK YOU. UM, I'M STANDING IN SUPPORT OF HAVING CHICKENS, UH, ROOSTERS, UM, PRIMARILY 'CAUSE I, UH, I WAS RAISED ON A FARM AND WE HAD LOTS OF CHICKENS AND EVERY NEIGHBOR HAD CHICKENS. AND, UH, I COULD SEE IT, IF YOU ARE ON SMALLER THAN AN ACRE, YOU HAVE SOME KIND OF RESTRICTION, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE IN TOWN OR, UH, BUT IN THE, I LIVE IN A RURAL AREA, IN FACT, UH, THIS IS WHERE I CHOSE TO COME AND MOVE TO RETIRE TO, AND I'M WANTING TO KIND OF GET A ZONING VARIANCE SO I COULD DO, PLANT AN ORCHARD AND BE ABLE TO DO SOME SMALL TIME AGRICULTURE. UH, SO TO SUPPORT MYSELF THROUGH MY RETIREMENT AND HAVING A FEW CHICKENS AROUND, ESPECIALLY WITH THE EGG SHORTAGE THAT WE JUST GOT THROUGH WITH, UM, IT, IT SEEMS TO ME A VERY POSITIVE THING. AND ESPECIALLY SINCE, UH, UH, I HAVE HENS AND I RAISED CHICKENS AND I, MY NEIGHBORS COME AND GET EGGS FROM ME AND I SELL 'EM TO 'EM VERY CHEAPLY. AND THAT FACT, WHAT I DO IS I TRADE 'EM THEIR CARTONS AND I GIVE THEM EGGS. SO IT'S KIND OF ONE OF THOSE THINGS. SO I'M IN FAVOR OF IT BECAUSE I KIND OF HAVE THIS LIVE AND LET LIVE. AND IF I'M NOT VIOLATING YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS, UM, LET ME LIVE TOO. AND, UH, 'CAUSE IT'S JUST PART OF BEING A COMMUNITY. I UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR THING, BUT YOU CAN ALWAYS TALK TO YOUR NEIGHBOR AND NOTHING SETS NEIGHBOR AGAINST NEIGHBOR WHEN YOU SEC THE GOVERNMENT ON THEM. SO, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHT. I AM A GOOD TERMS WITH MY NEIGHBORS. I'M A MEMBER OF OUR SANITARY DISTRICT, UH, AWESOME DISTRICT, AWESOME MEMBERS. AND, UH, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE KIND OF LOOK AT AS A COMMUNITY THING 'CAUSE WE WATCH OUR COMMUNITY. SO THAT'S MY THOUGHT AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND YOUR SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? ALLISON? ANYONE ELSE? CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. ALL RIGHT. NOW, UM, I ALSO HAVE GROWN UP ON FARM. I'VE HAD CHICKENS. I DON'T HAVE 'EM CURRENTLY. I DON'T LOVE CHICKENS. THEY WILL CROW AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. THEY SET NO TIME ON WHEN THEY'RE GONNA CROW. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE A ROOSTER TO HAVE EGGS. CHICKEN'S GONNA LAY WHETHER YOU GOT A ROOSTER OR NOT. ARE WE GOING TO CHANGE AND ALLOW GUINEA FO TURKEY, UH, AND ALL OF THE REST OF THEM ALONG WITH THIS, ONCE WE ALLOW THE ROOSTER ONCE, I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF THAT. NOW, IF YOU'RE GONNA ALLOW THE ROOSTER, WE HAVE SAID WE CAN'T HAVE PEAS, WE CAN'T HAVE TURKEYS, DUCKS, GEESE, WHICH PROBABLY ARE, SOME OF 'EM AREN'T AS NOISY AS THE ROOSTER. SO THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON IT. YEAH. AND I APPRECIATE THE COMMENT ON WARREN COUNTY BEING RURAL, BUT IN ZONING, WE'RE NOT TALKING AG ZONES, WE'RE TALKING RESIDENTIAL ZONES. MM-HMM . AS FAR AS THE TOWN NOT LOYAL, THAT'S THAT HOW THEY WANT. THAT'S, THAT'S THEIRS. THAT'S THERE, THERE, YEAH. I MEAN, WELL THE, MAYBE THEY OUGHT TO TAKE ROO GROUND. I MEAN, ONE I ONE I'VE ALWAYS THOUGHT'S KIND OF UNFAIR IS LET'S SAY SOMEONE WANTS TO PUT EITHER SIX CHICKENS IN THE RESIDENTIAL AREA IN THE COUNTY. THEY GO BUY THE SIX CHICKS. TWO MONTHS LATER THEY REALIZE FOUR OF 'EM IS ROOSTERS. . WELL, YOU GOT THAT. WHAT DO YOU DO BESIDES HALF FRIED CHICKEN? BUT THAT'S ANOTHER STORY, . BUT I MEAN, I HAVE THE THING OF, I GREW UP ON A FARM TOO. I'VE HAD ROOSTERS FIRE OFF AT 4:00 AM TOO MANY TIMES. ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AM AND THIS IS ON A 10 ACRE TRACK. SO WHEN YOU'RE THAT DENSE, I TEND TO STAY WITH NO ROOSTERS PERSONALLY. AND HERE'S THE THING, IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE, OF COURSE, WITHOUT A ROOSTER, YOUR EGGS AREN'T FERTILE. MM-HMM . NOW YOUR CHICKENS ESPECIALLY PARTICULAR BREED YOU MEAT CHICKENS, NOT SO MUCH THEY, BUT YOUR GAME HENS, YOUR BANDS, YOUR UH, PRETTY FLUFFY CHICKENS. THEY'LL SETTLE ON A GOLF BALL AND, AND YOU GIVE THEM FERTILE EGGS. NOW YOU'VE RESTRICTED TO 10 HENS WITH A ROOSTER. IN 21 DAYS, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE ANOTHER 15 OR 20 OF THEM. MM-HMM. NOW, AND, AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT ISSUE. NOW YOU'VE BLOWN FROM 10 TO 30 CHICKENS IN A MATTER OF A MONTH. THAT'S THE OTHER ISSUE WITH THAT. [01:20:02] SO, UM, YES SIR. MY ISSUE IS WITH THIS IS IT'S, THIS IS RESIDENTIAL. IF SOMEONE WANTED TO HAVE A FARM, THEY SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IN, IN A, UH, AGRICULTURAL AREA. I GREW UP IN THE COUNTRY, NOT NECESSARILY ON A FARM, BUT IN COUNTRY WITH WILDLIFE ALL AROUND US. WE DIDN'T HAVE BEARS 'CAUSE WE HAD WOLVERINES AND BADGERS. MM-HMM . UH, AT LEAST THE WOLVERINE WAS THE FIRST ANIMAL TO LEAVE. THE BADGER TOOK A LITTLE LONGER. ANYWAY, THE, UH, THE POINT IS OF, THE OTHER THING IS WITH THE, IN THE INSULATION OF THE, UH, THE PEN. I TALKED WITH A BUDDY OF MINE UP IN UPSTATE NEW YORK THAT DOES RAISE CHICKENS IN, UM, AS THE, UH, ROOSTER. AND HE SAYS, YOU CAN'T INSULATE IT. YOU GOTTA HAVE GOOD AIRFLOW COMING THROUGH THERE FOR THOSE, OTHERWISE THEY'RE GONNA GET SICK AND YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR WHOLE FLOCK. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO CONTROL THE SOUND VERY MUCH AT ALL WITH THE AN ENCLOSURE. 'CAUSE YOU HAVE TO HAVE THAT AIRFLOW. UM, AND HE SAYS EVEN FOR THE EIGHT HOURS THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE NINE HOURS THAT WE'RE RECOMMENDING HERE, HE SAYS THEY CAN GET SICK IN THAT SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. SO IT'S, UH MM-HMM . NOW YOU'RE EATING A CHICKEN THAT'S SICK. YEAH. I THINK, UM, THIS, THIS IS ONE I I'VE STRUGGLED WITH, UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THE NOISE ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE DOGS WHO ARE SIMILAR DECIBEL LEVELS. UM, BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS AT NIGHT YOU BRING A DOG INSIDE, WHEREAS THE ROOSTERS ARE GONNA BE IN THEIR, IN THEIR COOP. AND, AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE INSULATED, BUT OUR CURRENT ORDINANCE DOESN'T, DOESN'T PROVIDE, YOU KNOW, DETAIL ABOUT HOW YOU WOULD DO THAT OR, OR HOW YOU WOULD MEASURE IT TO WHAT STANDARD. UM, SO I, I, I THINK I, I'M PROBABLY AGAINST THIS AS WELL. I ONLY HAVE ONE CONCERN. UH, WE DO HAVE CHICKENS. WE DO HAVE ROOSTERS. LOVE THEM, LOVE THEM. MY PROBLEM WITH OUR ROOS IS WHEN, WELL, WITH OUR HANDS, WHEN THEY START TO GO BROODY AND WE HAVE A CLUTCH OF EGGS, YOU'RE GETTING PROBABLY ABOUT CLOSE TO A 50 50, 60 40 MIX BETWEEN THOSE LEGS, THOSE EGGS HATCHING AND HAVING A COMBINATION, YOU KNOW, 60 40 BETWEEN CLEANS AND ROOFS, YOU GET ABOUT HALF AND HALF. SO MY CONCERN, THE DECIBEL LEVEL, THAT'S NOT SO MUCH A CONCERN. YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF BREWSTERS. YES. THEY CROW IN THE MORNING, THEY START VERY EARLY. WE, OURS ARE PUNCTUAL AT FOUR 30 EVERY SINGLE MORNING . UM, AS FAR AS NIGHTTIME CROWING, UNLESS I'VE TOTALLY ADMITTED THAT FROM MY HEARING, I HAVE NEVER HEARD THEM CROW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. ME PERSONALLY. I'M NOT SAYING THAT THEY DON'T. UM, BUT THE GREATER CONCERN IS THE ABILITY TO REPRODUCE AND WHAT HAPPENS WITH THOSE EGGS. AND YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH A COUPLE WEEKS TO BE ABLE TO FIND OUT WHAT THOSE CHICKS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THEY'RE RUSE OR WHETHER THEY'RE HENS. AND, YOU KNOW, IT TAKES, I'M NOT VERY GOOD AT IT. I'M GETTING BETTER AT IT. BUT, UM, THAT'S KIND OF MY CONCERN IS WHAT DO WE DO NOW IF WE'VE GOT, WHETHER IT'S A RURAL AREA, RESIDENTIAL AREA, PRIMARILY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH ALL THESE EXTRA R THAT ARE GOING TO BE, IT'S, IT'S A POTENTIAL. SO, UM, I'M NOT A OPPOSED, BUT I THINK THERE NEEDS ADDITIONAL, I THINK THAT WE NEED TO CONSIDER THIS AND LOOK AT ADDITIONAL MEASURES AS BEING ABLE TO HANDLE THINGS THAT WE KNOW ARE GONNA COME UP AGAINST. WELL, AND THEN THE, THE, NOT ONLY THE QUESTION OF THE ADDITIONAL ROOSTERS THAT YOU'VE ADDED, WE'VE SET A LIMIT AT 10 HENS OR NOW NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE 10 HENS, BUT IN 21 DAYS YOU'VE GOT 20 HENS. MM-HMM . UH, WITH WHATEVER ROOSTERS COMES FROM THAT INCUBATION BUNCH. UM, SO THAT'S MY BIGGER CONCERN IS THAT NOW WE'VE OPENED UP THE DOOR FOR THE POPULATION. AND THEN I KNOW THROUGH THE COURSE MY DAUGHTER STILL HAS CHICKENS. AND OF COURSE SHE'S AG AND SHE'S RIGHT BESIDE ME AND, AND THEM NUT JOB CHICKENS. I MEAN, THEY, THEY SET ON IN EGGS LIKE RIGHT NOW. [01:25:01] AND, AND THEY, AND UH, ONCE THEY'RE FERTILE AND THEY'VE SET ON THOSE EGGS FOR TWO DAYS, YOU'VE GOT A 21 INCUBATE, 21 DAY INCUBATION PERIOD. NOW YOU'VE ALREADY STARTED DEVELOPING THE SPEC, THE SPOT IN THERE. AIN'T NOBODY GONNA EAT THAT EGG. MM-HMM . NO, BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A FERTILE EGG THAT YOU TOOK OUT FROM UNDER THE HEN IN TWO DAYS AND THERE'S ALREADY A DEVELOPMENT STARTED BECAUSE YOU GOT A FULL CHICK IN 21 DAYS. SO I, THERE'S JUST SO MANY REASONS AND, AND YEAH, I WISH I MUST HAVE HAD SOME REALLY STUPID ROOSTERS BECAUSE THEY THEY'D LIKE ME UP AT 1, 2, 3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT THE TIME YOU WAS GETTING IN . WELL, THAT'S HOW I HEARD 'EM . SO, OKAY. WE'RE OPEN FOR A MOTION IF ANYONE WANTS TO, OR FURTHER A DISCUSSION. I'M NOT SURE HOW TO WORD THIS. THERE SHOULD BE SOME, IT'S, IT'S ON THE SECOND PAGE. IT SHOULD BE LANGUAGE. OH. TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. THEY DO HAVE, UH, SOUND METERS. I KNOW OF AT LEAST FOUR WHEN WE WENT DOWN TO DO THE, UH, RANGE TO SEE ABOUT THE NOISE ON THE RANGE A COUPLE YEARS AGO. YEAH. UH, SHERIFF KLEIN HAD FOUR OF THOSE OUT THERE. SO THEY DO HAVE THE CAPABILITY, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S IN EVERY SQUAD CAR. I, I HAVE NO WAY OF KNOWING. THANK YOU. YEAH. QUESTION UP WITH HER AGAIN. SHE HAD TOLD ME THANK YOU. OH REALLY? WITHIN THE LAST MONTH. YOU'RE KIDDING? YES SIR. AH, I GOTTA CALL HER. I GOTTA TELL, CALL HER AND SAY MAYBE THEY WERE ON LEASE OR SOMETHING. MET WITH HER. I MET WITH HER DEPUTY ACTUALLY. OKAY. WASN'T HER, SHE WAS OFFERED FOR HER TRAINING AT THAT TIME. OKAY. OKAY THEN. THANK YOU. READY? IT'S FIRE AWAY. FILING THE PROPOSAL FOR THE ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENT IS NOT APPROPRIATE FOR PUBLIC NECE, UH, NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE, OR GENERAL WELFARE AND IS NOT A GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT. SO IS THERE A SECOND? OH, GO AHEAD. GO AHEAD. SO VOTING YAY IS MEANS WE VOTE TO DENY, DENY. YES, CORRECT. I'LL SECOND. OKAY. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? AYE BE PASSED ON AB I ABSTAINED. OKAY. ONE ABSTENTION. . OKAY WITH THAT, THAT'S OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS. OUR NEXT ITEM ON THE [VII. Consent Agenda] AGENDA IS THE CONSENT AGENDA AS MODIFIED OR DO WE WANNA DO THE DISCUSSION FIRST? WELL, WE CAN APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE CAN APPROVE WHAT WE HAVE, THEN COME BACK, APPROVE THE REST AND COME BACK TO THE DISCUSSIONS. YES. UH, MR. CHAIR, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS MODIFIED. I'LL SECOND ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE. A AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? CONSENT AGENDAS APPROVED. NOW, [VII.A. Z2025-09-01 - Zoning Text Amendments for Backyard Beekeeping - An ordinance to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code (zoning ordinance) to amend the district regulations for the Residential-One (R-1) zoning district to add "backyard beekeeping" as an accessory use permitted by right and to add supplementary regulations for "backyard beekeeping". - Kelly Wahl , Planner ] I GUESS I SHOULD READ THIS. Z 20 25 0 9 0 1 ZONING TEXT AMENDMENTS FOR BACKYARD BEEKEEPING, AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF WARREN COUNTY CODE ZONING ORDINANCE TO AMEND DISTRICT REGULATIONS FOR THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT TO ADD BACKYARD BEEKEEPING AS AN ACCESSORY USE PERMITTED BY. RIGHT. AND TO ADD SUPPLEMENTAL REGULAR REGULATIONS FOR BACKYARD BEEKEEPING DISCUSSIONS THERE IN, UH, I'M PRETTY HAPPY WITH, UM, THE TEXT AMENDMENT THAT THE, THE DRAFT THAT WE HAVE NOW. YEAH. I KINDA READ OVER IT AND I'M OKAY BECAUSE WE'RE KIND OF THROWING FROM WHAT I'M GETTING OUT OF THIS IS WE'RE BASICALLY GONNA COMPLY TO, UM, YEAH, WE'RE, WE'RE KIND OF TAKING THE STATE'S BEST PRACTICES STATE BACK BEST PRACTICE ADOPTING THAT INTO OUR CODE, EVEN THE QUARTER ACRE. YEAH, I BELIEVE SO. THAT'S WHAT I WAS READING. EVEN THE QUARTER ACRE WAS, UH, YOU HAD WHAT, TWO HIVES OR SOMETHING? IT WAS LIKE, SO THIS IS AGAIN IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SO, SO WE HAVE, UH, TWO BEEHIVES PER ONE QUARTER ACRE. YEAH. RIGHT. YEAH, I SAW THAT ESCALATES UP, BUT MM-HMM . YEAH. BUT I MEAN, I TWO THERE, THERE'S PROBABLY TWO HIVES IN YOUR YARD ANYWAY. I WAS GONNA SAY. YEAH, THERE'S ONE YOU GOT GET ONE TREE WITH HONEYBEES IN IT. THERE'S TWO HIVES IN THERE. YEAH. SO, UM, YES, SAME TIME. I LIVE ON A THIRD [01:30:01] ACRE LOT AND TWO BEEHIVES THERE. I COULD SEE PROBLEMS. I MEAN, YOU STILL HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MEET THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS. YEAH. RIGHT. IT'S ONLY 10 FEET. OKAY. IF, IF 10 FEET'S GOOD ENOUGH, IF YOU'VE GOT AN ACRE, THEN IT'S GOOD ENOUGH IF YOU'VE GOT A QUARTER ACRE. WELL, WHERE DID, WHO SET THESE GUIDELINES DOWN? AND DID THEY DO STUDIES ON THESE AND WELL, WE GOT A BEEKEEPER HERE. THERE YOU GO. YEAH. TALK TO US. UM, WHEN I FIRST READ THIS, I DID HAVE SOME CONCERNS, BUT I THINK THAT THROUGH GOOD PRACTICE AND DISCUSSION, A SOMETHING THAT'S VERY REASONABLE AS FAR AS BEING PROPOSED IS, IS INCLUDED HERE. UM, MY MOTHER WHO'S 93 YEARS OLD IS DEATHLY ALLERGIC TO BEES. AND I HAVE OVER 60 COLLEGES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA. SHE WALKS, THE BEEHIVES ARE ABOUT TO THE DOOR FROM WHERE I'M SITTING. SHE WALKS ON A DAILY BASIS. AND IT'S NOT A CONCERN. THERE ARE TIMES THAT IT IS CONCERNING, BUT ON A, PRETTY MUCH ON AN EVERYDAY BASIS, IT'S NOT AN ISSUE. UM, I AM FOR BEEKEEPING IN OUR AREA, AND I AM FOR BEEKEEPING, NOT ONLY RESIDENTIALLY, BUT AGRICULTURALLY. UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY CONCERN I HAD, UH, WAS THAT THIS IS AN, A, BEEKEEPING AS A HOBBY IS NOT INEXPENSIVE. SO IT TAKES A LEVEL OF DEDICATION AND FINANCIAL MEANS TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. AND I THINK THOSE PERSONS THAT ARE TRYING TO DO THIS WITH GOOD INTENTION, UM, ARE WILLING TO ACCEPT THAT EXPENSE AND BE, YOU KNOW, AND BE DILIGENT ON THEIR FAULT. THE QUESTION I'VE GOT IS HOW IS THIS REGULATED? I MEAN, WHO, HOW DO WE KNOW THAT ALL OF THIS, WHO DOES ALL THIS? I THINK FROM A VERY SAFE DISTANCE, I'LL HOW DO WE, I MEAN, IF THIS IS BY RIGHT. WHO GOES OUT AND CHECKS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE THE PROPER DISTANCE, DO YOU, DO YOU APPLY FOR A PERMIT? I MEAN, SO THERE IS A WE PERMIT AND THAT HAS TO BE APPROVED AND YEP. THERE'S A BUILT IN PERMIT REQUIREMENT. UH, WE CAN REQUIRE A SITE PLAN UNDER THAT JUST TO SKETCH, TO SHOW WHAT THE SETBACK WILL BE FROM THE PROPERTY LINES. IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THEY'RE WITHIN THE 30 FEET, I THINK THERE HAS TO BE SOME SORT OF, UH, LIKE FENCE OR SOMETHING. BE A SIX FOOT. YES. UH, AND SO, YOU KNOW, WE COULD DO AN INSPECTION TO VERIFY THAT ALL OF THAT'S IN PLACE. WHAT, WHAT ABOUT COMPLYING FOR THE KEEPING OF THE BEES AND THE WELLBEING OF THE BEES TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S A, AN AMOUNT OF, UM, POLLEN AND HONEY THAT'S GONNA NEED TO BE ANY, THOSE HIVES TO, FOR THOSE BEES TO SURVIVE THROUGH A WINTER. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT? WHO DOES, WHO KNOWS THAT, WHO DOES THAT? I'M GOING TO STAND FOR THE BEES AND KIND OF LET THEM DO THEIR THING. I'M A VERY, UH, MINIMAL HANDS IN BEEKEEPER MM-HMM . AND A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK THAT BEES NUTRITION ONLY COMES FROM THEIR GARDEN, UH, IN OUR AREA. THAT IS, THAT THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE HAVE MORE RURAL TREES AROUND US AND A LOT OF THEIR NEEDS WILL COME DIRECTLY FROM THE TREES AND, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE STORES IN THEIR HIGH MM-HMM . AND THEY'RE PRETTY GOOD AT DOING THEIR JOB. WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE THAT HARVEST THE HONEY? ARE THEY, HOW DO WE KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA TAKE ALL THE HONEY? UH, THAT GOES BACK TO THE FINANCIAL MEANS OF, AS FAR AS THE, BECAUSE THE INDIVIDUAL, YOU PRETTY MUCH HAVE TO RELY ON THEM IF THEY WANT TO CONTINUE TO SPEND, YOU KNOW, UP TO $200 TO PUT BEES IN THEIR BOX EVERY SINGLE YEAR BECAUSE THEY, 'CAUSE THEY'VE STARVED THEM TO DEATH 'CAUSE THEY'VE STARVED AND ABSCONDING HAPPENS. YEAH. I MEAN, IT, IT, THAT IS JUST PART OF IT THAT THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GOT CHICKEN MATH, WELL, B PEOPLE HAVE B MATH. IT, IT GETS VERY STRANGE. YOU START OUT WITH ONE, YOU END UP WITH 20, THEN YOU GO BACK AT THE END OF THE SEASON WITH FOUR. I DON'T KNOW HOW IT WORKS, BUT THAT'S HONESTLY, YOU KNOW, BEEKEEPING, IT'S, IT'S A, I KNOW MY INITIAL INVESTMENT BETWEEN TWO, TWO HIGH BOXES, WHICH WOULD HOUSE TWO COLONIES AND THEN THE CLOTHING NEEDED, I WAS WELL INTO $1,200. SO IT'S FOR TWO HOPS NOW. WE HAD BOUGIE BEES, UH, IN THE BEGINNING. UM, AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO CATCH SOME LOCAL HONEY BEES AND NOW I HAVE MUTT BEES. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THEY DO A GREAT JOB MAKING HONEY. SURE. DOESN'T MATTER POLLINATING. SO HERE, POP POLLINATING AND MAKING HONEY AND THAT DOESN'T CARE WHERE [01:35:01] THE MUT BE. THEY'RE THE BEST. YEAH, THEY'RE THE BEST. SOUNDS LIKE A OG. YEAH, PRETTY MUCH. NUTS ARE THE BEST TOO. GOOD. I, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY THING, THE ONLY PROBLEM THAT I HAVE IN READING ALL THIS, AND I UNDERSTAND IT, AND I DID SEE A CHANGE IN WORDING AND, UH, AS A BEEKEEPER, YOU KNOW, UH, HONEY IS A MINUTE PRODUCT THAT, THAT YOU GET FROM THE BEES. BEES WAX IS HIGHLY SOUGHT AFTER BY A LOT OF DIFFERENT INDUSTRIES. SO LIMITING A BEEKEEPER FROM THE SALE OF BEESWAX OR PRODUCTS MADE FROM AND HONEYBEES, THAT WAS MY CONCERN, IS TO LIMIT A BEEKEEPER'S A POTENTIAL, ESPECIALLY, UM, SOMEONE WHO IS ON LIMITED FINANCIAL MEANS. YOU KNOW, THAT IS A WAY FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THEIR HOBBY. AND THAT WAS, SO I THINK THE WAY I READ THAT WAS ON SITE SALES WERE CONNECTED. CORRECT. YEAH. SO THEY CAN STILL TAKE THEIR GOODS TO A LOCAL FARMER'S MARKET OR ET CETERA. RIGHT. BUT JUST IT'S PROHIBITING IT FROM BEING ON SITE. AND I, I, THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY, THAT WAS MY ONLY DRAWBACK IN READING A LOT OF THAT WAS LIMITING THE POTENTIAL SALE OF A BEEKEEPER'S PRODUCT YEAH. TO BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO. BECAUSE THE BENEFIT IS THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF BENEFIT. YEAH. I, I, I AGREE. I I THINK THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO, TO SELL. YEAH. I THINK WE JUST, I THOUGHT I WAS READING THAT, THAT THEY COULD SELL. YEAH. BUT THEY HAD COULD DO IT ON SITE. YEAH. WE JUST WANTED AVOID CULTURAL WHERE YOU CAN JUST SET UP YOUR FARM STAND. YEAH. YOUR PROPERTY, YOU HAVE TO AVOID FARM STANDS IN NEIGHBORHOODS. RIGHT. YEAH. WE DON'T WANT THAT. YEAH. AND WE DO PARTICIPATE WITH THE FARMER'S MARKET, AND I WILL ADD THAT, HAVEN'T HAD ANY BEES TRY TO STEAL OUR CANDLES OR LIP BALM THAT'S BEEN MADE. OR EVEN THE HONEY THAT WE HAVE SITTING IN THE JAR THAT MIGHT HAVE A DRIBBLE ON THE SIDE, THEY'LL COME AROUND MM-HMM . BUT IT, THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRETTY DOCILE AT THAT POINT. THEY'RE JUST CHECKING THINGS OUT. OKAY. SO QUARTER A QUARTER ACRE YOU FEEL IS SAFE FOR TWO HALVES BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU CAN HAVE, YOU KNOW, TWO NEIGHBORS ON EITHER SIDE AND THREE NEIGHBORS IN THE BACK. YEAH. THEY'RE REALLY NOT INTERESTED. I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA DO THEIR THING. THEY'RE NOTRE NOT KILLER BEES. RIGHT? WELL, I DON'T AND, AND, UH, OF COURSE THE BEE THAT, THAT IT STATES IN HERE THAT YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE IS THE, UH, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THAT HONEY BEE? IT'S UH OH, THE AFRICANIZED BEE? YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. THAT THEY WOULDN'T SURVIVE THE CLIMATE. THE CLIMATE. WE, WE HAD SOME AS A KID AND YEAH, NO, THEY ONE YEAR DONE. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE KEEP THEN. NO. OKAY. THE ONLY PRO THE ONLY PROBLEM THERE IS, IS YOU DON'T NEED A FRIEND WHEN YOU HAVE A SWARM. YEAH. BUT THAT'S COMES WITH THE TERRITORY. WELL, THEY'LL EITHER GO, YEAH. WE, I'VE COLLECTED SEVERAL BEES FROM LOCAL AREAS AND, UM, THEY'RE DEFENSELESS. PEOPLE PANIC A LITTLE BIT. IT'S JUST AN EDUCATION THING. THEY SEE A BIG BALL OF BEES AND THEY PANIC THINKING, OH MY GOODNESS. AT THAT POINT, THOSE BEES ARE ABSOLUTELY DEFENSELESS. YEP. MM-HMM. SO YOU COULD GATHER THEM IN A, A HAT. YEAH. I KNOW AS THE KIDS, SOME OF THE MOST PRODUCTIVE BEES WE HAD WAS THE YEAR AFTER THEY SWARMED AND WE PUT 'EM IN HIVE. MM-HMM . THEY THE HEALTHIEST USUALLY. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . SO DO WE, I CAN READ , MAKE THIS AMENDMENT, BUT I DON'T HAVE . YEAH, THAT'S A LITTLE STRANGE. . SO, ANY FURTHER, ANYBODY? I'M GOOD. I'M GOOD. YEAH. OKAY. WE WANNA ADD THIS BACK TO THE CONSENT AGENDA THEN. WELL, NO, I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AUTHORIZED THE PROPOSAL TAX AMENDMENT FOR ADVERTISEMENT FOR PUBLIC A PUBLIC HEARING, HEARING. THAT'S EVEN BETTER. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? OKAY. I JUST HAVE A MEETING. YES, YOU DID. . OUR NEXT [VIII. Commission Matters] ITEM TONIGHT IS MISSION MEMBER CONCERNS. WILL YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR US? NOTHING FOR ME. WHAT ABOUT YOU PAUL? NO. BEING THIS TIME OF YEAR, I'D LIKE TO WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY, MARRIED, JOYFUL, WHATEVER IT IS. YOU CELEBRATE . INCLUDING FESTIVUS. YEAH. THERE YOU GO. I GOT, I GOT TWO THINGS. SO FEST I DID ATTEND THE, UH, UH, HANOCK SYMPOSIUM THEY HAD LAST, LAST TUESDAY, I THINK IT WAS TUESDAY. ANYWAY, THE, UH, THE CHAIRMAN, I DID IDENTIFY MYSELF. HE WAS HAPPY TO SEE ME THERE. AND I GUESS THERE WAS TWO OTHER [01:40:01] PLANNING COMMISSIONERS FROM OTHER COUNTIES THERE. UH, HE, HE ASKED IF HE COULD COME AND TALK TO US AT SOME POINT AT A CLOSED HEARING, OR I'M SORRY, A WORK SESSION OR SOMETHING. TALK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, LET US KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UH, WHAT RESTRICTIONS THEY HAVE AND WHAT, WHAT REQUIREMENTS THEY HAVE. UH, AND IT WAS INTERESTING WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE. I KNOW HE'S TALKED WITH, UH, THE NEW, UH, ADMINISTRATOR, BUT THAT WAS ONE THING. HE, HE OFFERED TO COME AND SPEAK TO US. HE ALSO OFFERED, UH, AN OVERLAY TO THE COUNTIES. SO THEY GOT 22 COUNTIES IN VIRGINIA IN THE CO-OP, UH, AN OVERLAY SHOWING YOU THE CURRENT MAXIMUM LOAD ON, UH, THE POWER LINES GOING THROUGH OUR DISTRICTS OR OUR COUNTIES. SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. IF NOTHING ELSE, WE KNOW THAT IF SOMEONE'S GONNA WANNA PUT IN A, A HIGH ELECTRICAL USE, UH, UH, PROPERTY, IT'S THE LINES ARE GONNA NEED TO BE UPGRADED. SO THE OTHER THING IS, UH, I ATTENDED THE BOARD MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND THE REASON I WAS HERE WAS FOR ITEM H OR, AND, AND SO ALL THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTALS THAT WE HAD APPROVED, UH, LAST MONTH, I HAD TO HEAR THEM, UH, REREAD THOSE AND DISCUSS 'EM. THEY ACTUALLY HAD A FAIRLY LONG DISCUSSION DURING THE ACTUALLY HEARING OF ONE OF THE APP APPLICATIONS AND WHAT OUR FRIEND HAD BROUGHT UP TODAY, I FORGET HIS NAME ALREADY. JOHN? YEAH, YEAH. JOHN. JOHN. YEAH. JOHN. IT, HE, UH, IS A LOT OF THE, WHAT THE COUNT OR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TALKED ABOUT DURING ONE OF THE APPLICATIONS, THE USE, OR NOT THE USE, BUT THE SHRINKING OF THE AVAILABLE HOMES FOR RESIDENTS. MM-HMM . UH, THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE NORTHERN DAILY LAST MONTH ABOUT, UH, SHENANDOAH COUNTY IS OUT OF HOMES FOR RESIDENTS. YEAH. IT'S REALLY GOING WILD. SO I DON'T KNOW. YOU DON'T. BUT ANYWAY, THE, UH, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'VE BROUGHT UP IN THE PAST. THEY ALSO, ONE OF THE NEW, UH, BOARD MEMBERS, AND IT WASN'T HUE BROUGHT UP THE, UH, POSSIBLE CAP LIKE A 10% CAP ON ALL, ALL HOMES WITHIN THE COUNTY WERE SOME TYPE OF CAT. THAT WAS A NUMBER HE JUST THREW OUT. THE OTHER THING IS SOMETHING THAT WE TALKED ABOUT, I THINK IT WAS DURING THE LONG, THE LONG RANGE PLAN WAS A NEW HOME. HAVING A TWO YEAR MORATORIUM WHERE THEY COULD NOT, UH, CONVERT THAT TO A SHORT TERM RENTAL WITHIN THE FIRST TWO YEARS. SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING. IT'S, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE IF YOU DO, SO WE HAD ONE THIS MONTH. WE HAD ONE LAST MONTH. I THINK WE EVEN HAD ONE IN SEPTEMBER. A BRAND NEW HOME. YEAH. MM-HMM . I WAS, I WAS HAVING SOME CONCERNS ABOUT THE BRAND NEW HOMES BEING BUILT SPECIFICALLY FOR, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS. THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAVEN'T, I'M BEING NEW HERE. UH, HADN'T REALLY SETTLED IN WITH ME OKAY. YET, BUT I COULDN'T, HAVEN'T REALLY DEVELOPED ANY OBJECTIONS TO IT, BUT I'M STARTING TO. YEAH. YEAH. LIKE I COULDN'T GET A READ ON WHAT THE SUPPORT WAS ON THE BOARD, BUT I KNOW I'VE TALKED WITH MY SUPERVISOR ABOUT THAT, THAT VERY, VERY THING AS WELL. UH, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD KICK AROUND AND KIND OF, I DON'T KNOW, HAVE A WORK SESSION WITH THE BOARD. I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU AND SEE WHAT THE, AND SEE WHAT THE KIND OF, UH, THOUGHT, THOUGHT PROCESS IS. I, I THINK YOU MIGHT WANT TO TALK TO MR. BOWMAN ABOUT THOSE ITEMS. YOU KNOW, CATCHING ME COLD. I KNOW THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE A MORATORIUM ON USES AND A 10% CAP SOUNDS A LOT LIKE A, A MORATORIUM. AND THEN WELL, YEAH, IT'S ARBITRARY NUMBER, BUT, YEAH. WELL, I, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY ARBITRARY, BUT YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S A CAP. MM-HMM . SO I WOULD SUGGEST Y'ALL HAD A DISCUSSION WITH MR. BOWMAN. YOU KNOW, I WILL RELAY YOUR THOUGHTS AND MAYBE HE MIGHT CALL YOU. UM, MAYBE HE WON'T NEED TO. I MEAN, THOSE ARE YOUR TWO THOUGHTS. [01:45:01] AND THEN THE TWO YEAR MORATORIUM MORATORIUM ON NEW HOMES. UM, YOU KNOW, CHASE WAS JUST CHATTING WITH ME A LITTLE BIT WHILE YOU WERE TALKING. WE WERE KIND OF MULLING THAT OVER AND, UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO SEE WHAT THE, THE SORT OF NEUTRAL LAND USE BASED REASON WOULD BE FOR THAT. I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE MORE GENERAL PUBLIC POLICY OF PROVIDING HOUSING AND IN AREAS WITHOUT A WHOLE LOT OF HOUSING. BUT, UM, I'M NOT QUITE SURE THAT THAT PASSES MUSTER. UM, BUT I THINK MAYBE THE BEST THING TO PUT THERE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED AT THE BOARD. I MIGHT, I MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED THAT MORATORIUM ISSUE WITH THEM. I CAN'T REMEMBER. BUT, UM, I'D SUGGEST THAT, THAT Y'ALL TALK TO, UH, JORDAN ABOUT IT AT YOUR NEXT MEETING MM-HMM . AND FIND OUT WHAT THE RULES ARE AND FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO. UM, YOU KNOW, I'D BE INTERESTED WHAT'S HAPPENING WITH THE SURROUNDING COUNTIES IN THESE SITUATIONS TOO. AND, UH, YES. WELL, WELL, FREDERICK'S GIVING EVERYBODY A PERMIT TO DO WHATEVER THEY WAS, SEEMS LIKE . SURE. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I YEAH. YOU CAN CHANGE YOUR ZONING CODE AND NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM RENTALS. I MEAN, THAT'S A ANOTHER IDEA. YEAH. BUT THEN YOU WIPE IT OUT COMPLETELY, RIGHT? YES. RIGHT. YOU ALREADY APPROVED, ONE'S A GRANDFATHERED, BUT NOBODY ELSE AND APPROVED ONES AND THEY APPROVE ONES A GRANDFATHER. YEAH. I MEAN, THE ONLY TIME THAT WOULD BE OKAY IS IF WE'RE JUST SO OVER FLOODED THAT YOU CAN'T DO ANYMORE. AND THEN WHAT DO YOU DO? CHANGE THE ZONING AGAIN ONCE THEY ALL GO AWAY. SO ALLOW 'EM AGAIN. WELL, YEAH, , I MEAN, IT'S CLUMSY, ISN'T IT? SO, I MEAN, THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS THAT Y'ALL PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE CLARITY ON WHAT YOU REALLY CAN DO FROM MR. BOWMAN AFTER HE'S HAD A CHANCE TO THINK ABOUT IT. AND, YOU KNOW, CONSIDER THOSE QUESTIONS, GIVE YOU GOOD RESPONSES. RESEARCH ON THAT. YEAH. AND ONE THING I HAD DONE, AND I HAVEN'T DONE IT, UM, THIS PAST YEAR, WAS LOOK AT EACH ADDRESS AND GO ON ZULU AND FIND OUT WHEN THE HOUSE WAS SOLD, WHICH WAS GENERALLY TWO OR THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO US. WELL, YEAH, THEY, BUT BEFORE THERE'S REASON. BUT TO, I WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE ASKING PRICE AND THEN THE OFFER PRICE BECAUSE THESE GUYS ARE UP IN THE PRICE SOMETIMES A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. WELL, AND THAT'S ONLY USUALLY WHEN THEY GET INTO BIDDING WARS. AND IF IT'S ATTRACTIVE. 'CAUSE I'M ON THE OTHER END OF THAT. I'M DOING THE HOME INSPECTIONS ON THESE, ON THESE HOMES OUT HERE, THAT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SPECIFICALLY BUYING THEM FOR THE SHORT TERM RENTALS MM-HMM . AND THEY'RE TAKING, I MEAN, THEY'RE TAKING A RISK, BUT THEY'VE ALREADY RESEARCHED THEM ALL RIGHT. DOES IT COMPLY WITH WHAT I'M DOING? SO, BUT WHAT HAPPENS IS THEY GET INTO BIDING WARS WITH HARRY HOMEOWNER THAT'S TRYING TO BUY IT AS A RESIDENTIAL, AND HE'S IN A BETTER POSITION TO BE ABLE TO KEEP PUT, BASICALLY HE PUTS IN A CONTRACT THAT SAYS, I WILL INCREASE MY PRICE $3,000 ABOVE ANY OTHER PRICE THAT COMES IN TO THIS LIMIT. RIGHT. WELL, ONE OF THEM I DO REMEMBER WAS A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH IN LINDEN, ABOUT 900 SQUARE FEET, MAYBE A LITTLE MORE. IT WA IT WAS OFFERED INITIALLY AT TWO 19 MM-HMM . AND IT SOLD FOR OVER THREE 50. AND YOU AND I KNOW WHO BOUGHT IT. OKAY. SO WAS IT JUST A STRAIGHT OUT SHOP THAT MONTH? WELL, I CAN'T SEE HOW A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH IS, I MEAN, VALUED AT 300 . NO, I DON'T EITHER. BUT THEY, THEY GOTTA PAY CASH FOR IT AT THAT POINT. BUT, WELL, WE, YOU AND I DID SEE FINANCIALS, OR NOT YOU, ROBERT SOLD FINANCIALS OF ONE OF THE, UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL COMPANIES AND, UH, ON ONE PROPERTY THEY RETURNING WHAT, 87,000. OH YEAH. THERE'S A TREMENDOUS PROPERTY. I MEAN, SO THERE'S MM-HMM . THERE'S NO INCENTIVE FOR 'EM TO GET THE HOUSE CHEAP. IF THEY WANT THE HOUSE, THEY CAN SPEND WHATEVER THEY WANT. IF HE COMPLIES FOR THE YEAH. YEAH. BUT WHERE, YOU KNOW, OUR RESIDENTS IN WARREN COUNTY CAN'T AFFORD, THEY CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT. NOPE. YEAH. UH, 50% INCREASE ON THE HOUSE THEY'RE TRYING TO BUY. WELL, AND THAT COMES BACK TO ALL OF THIS THAT WE'VE GOT TO DO WITH LEGAL. YEAH. AND I'M NOT MAKING ANY POLICY DISCUSSIONS. IT'S A NATIONAL CRISIS. UM, BUT IT'S A QUESTION OF WHAT THIS BODY THAT THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THAT DEDICATED TO LAND USE CAN DO. AND YOU ALL KNOW FROM YOUR DISCUSSIONS WITH JORDAN THROUGH THE YEARS THAT THERE'S STILL IN RURAL STATE, THERE'S LIMITATIONS ON WHAT CAN BE DONE AND, AND PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE PROPERTY RIGHTS. WELL, WE GET SUED. RIGHT, RIGHT. EXACTLY. , WE CAN ONLY DO WHAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ALLOWS US TO DO. WELL, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET SUED FROM TALKING, BUT WE GET SUED FROM ACTING WITHOUT [01:50:01] THE RIGHT INFORMATION. CORRECT. YEAH. MM-HMM . AND JUST TO ADD, UH, SCOTT, YOU HAD MENTIONED EARLIER YOU'D BE CURIOUS TO SEE WHAT OTHER JURISDICTIONS ARE DOING IN REGARDS TO POTENTIALLY PLACING A MORATORIUM. WE COMPLETED A STUDY ON SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS THIS PAST SUMMER. UM, WE WEREN'T COMPLETING THAT STUDY TO LOOK AT, YOU KNOW, CAPPING THESE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS. BUT A LOT OF ADJACENT JURISDICTIONS HAVE LITTLE TO NO CORRECT REGULATION ON THEIR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. SO, UM, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT RAPPAHANNOCK, ROCKINGHAM, CU PEPPER, PAIGE, FREDERICK, SHENANDOAH CLARK, THEY HAVE FAR LESS REGULATION THAN WE DO. FAR LESS REGULATION. SOME HAVE, I THINK CU PEPPER ROCKINGHAM HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO, NO REGULATIONS IN PLACE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS WHATSOEVER. I DEFINITELY DON'T SEE LESS REGULATION. NO. RIGHT. YEAH. DO YOU, SO MY, MY POINT IN SAYING THAT WAS I DON'T THINK THAT THERE WOULD BE MUCH GUIDANCE FROM, UM, RIGHT, YEAH. FROM ADJACENT JURISDICTIONS, UH, COUNTIES. BUT THE, UH, THE QUESTION WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET INFORMATION IN SOME WAY TO SEE HOW MANY SHORT TERM RENTALS LIKE CLARK COUNTY AND SOME OF THE OTHERS AROUND HERE TO KIND OF COMPARE IT WITH WHAT WE HAVE WITH THE, THE POPULATION WE HAVE TO COMPARE TO CLARK? YEAH, JUST I'M THROWING CLARK OUT AS YEAH, I MEAN, WE CAN CERTAINLY TRY, UM, IF THEY HAVE MEASURES IN PLACE THAT ARE, IF THEY HAVE TRACKING SYSTEMS, IT WOULD CERTAINLY MAKE IT EASIER ON PLANNING STAFF TO ACQUIRE THAT INFORMATION AND THAT DATA. UM, BUT IF THE REGULATIONS AREN'T AS STRICT AS OURS, WHO KNOWS IF THEY EVEN HAVE SUCH A THING IN PLACE AND IT WOULD JUST REQUIRE STAFF TO BE BROWSING THE INTERNET AND SEEING WHAT YEAH. IS AVAILABLE. I'M NOT ASKING FOR THAT. IT WOULD TAKE QUITE A BIT OF STAFF TIME. YEAH. WE ARE UNDERSTAFFED. YEAH, I KNOW . YEAH. NO, I WAS JUST ASKING, YOU'RE GONNA COME OUT OF, UH, NANDO AND PAGE AGAIN? YEAH, NO. ARE WE ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES, I THINK HIGHER NUMBERS ARE GONNA COME OUTTA SHENANDOAH AND PAGE COUNTY. THEY'RE MORE IN DEMAND FOR THE WEEKEND PLACES, I BELIEVE, AS FAR AS WHAT THE MM-HMM . COMPARISON OF POP OF NUMBER OF HOUSES IN COMPARISON TO THE TOTAL NUMBER IN PERCENTAGE. YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. RIGHT. I WAS, YOU KNOW, SEEING IF, WHERE DO WE SIT WITH COMPARATIVE TO OUR NEIGHBORS AND, YOU KNOW, PERCENTAGES OF TOTAL NUMBER OF RESIDENCES TO PERCENTAGE OF SHORT TERM RENTALS. CORRECT. YEAH. AND I'M NOT ASKING STAFF TO GO THROUGH SOME, YOU KNOW, GO SCREW AND CHASE YOUR TAIL AROUND TRYING TO FIND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. BUT IF IT, I DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS EASY. IT WAS FEASIBLE. ACCESSIBLE. YEAH. YEAH. EASY TO GET THAT. NOW ARE WE ONE OF THE FEW COUNTIES THAT HAS A HOTEL TAX ON, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS OR WHATEVER TAX WE HAVE? I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK, BUT I DO BELIEVE I HAVE SEEN OTHER JURISDICTIONS WITH THE TRANSIENT LODGING TAX. UM, NOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT ENCOMPASSES, THEY, THEY'RE SHORT TERM TO RENTALS. YEAH. WE DO HAVE A TRANSIENT LODGING TAX THAT'S COLLECTED EVERY SINGLE MONTH. IT'S 5%. OKAY. ALL RIGHT. I WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO DIG A LITTLE BIT DEEPER ON THAT TOO, BUT OKAY. THAT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER POSSIBILITY OF, UH, KIND OF SLOWING IT DOWN TOO, IS INCREASE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A CONVERSATION WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. OKAY. RIGHT. AND THERE'S, WELL, THE COMPANY'S I FOR MORE MONEY, I, THERE'S LOTS OF STATE CODE INVOLVED IN, AND THAT GOES TO LEGAL AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THEN A LOT OF, A LOT OF THOSE TAXES, A WHOLE GIANT BOOK, 58.1 THAT TALKS ABOUT TAXES AND SOMETIMES THERE'S, UH, CAPS ON WHAT CAN BE CHARGED. SO SOMETIMES THERE ISN'T. SO, BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A POLITICAL DECISION FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE. BUT YEAH, THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO, TO HANDLE IT, IS TO TAX IT. AND, YOU KNOW, Y'ALL HAVE A $1,500 FEE NOW FOR APPLYING FOR THEM, UM, IN RECOGNITION. ISN'T THAT WHAT IT IS? 17. 50 50, SORRY. WRONG OLD INFORMATION. UM, SO, UH, SOURCE FOR THE COUNTY, IT SOUNDS LIKE. I MEAN, BUT MM-HMM . UM, YEAH, WE BROUGHT IN READY TO SQUASH IT ALL, BUT I WANT TO KNOW MORE. WE BROUGHT IN 1.3 AS OF JUNE, 2025, THE COUNTY COLLECTED THIS IN, THIS IS INCLUDING SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS WITHIN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, BUT IT WAS $1.3 MILLION IN JUST THE TRANSIENT LODGING TAG. SIX REVENUE IN SIX MONTHS IN BETWEEN, NO, BETWEEN, UH, JANUARY OF 2021 THROUGH JUNE OF 2025. OH, OKAY. YEAH. SO IT'S, UM, I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S FLUCTUATED, UM, QUITE A BIT FROM YEAR TO YEAR. WE'VE SEEN IT AS LOW AS 1 48, UM, $148,000 A YEAR TO ALMOST $400,000 A YEAR. NOW DURING, I BELIEVE DURING COVID WE SAW THAT PEAKING AT ITS HIGHEST LEVEL. MM-HMM . WE HAVE NOW STARTED TRENDING DOWNWARD. IF THAT'S ANY CONSOLATION. WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING HUGH HENRY BROUGHT UP IS THAT FAIR [01:55:01] MARKET WILL, AT SOME POINT, THEY WILL WILL ADJUST IT AND THEY'LL EXCEED THE MARKET, AND THE MARKET WILL START TO SHRINK AGAIN, PERKS TO, UH, BEING MARRIED TO A RESIDENTIAL REAL ESTATE APPRAISER OF SOME INSIDER KNOWLEDGE. THERE IS QUITE A BIT OF TURNOVER WITH THESE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS THAT ARE MM-HMM. I SEE THAT TOO. UM, OUT HERE ON THE HOME INSPECTION, THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE 'EM A YEAR AND THEY DON'T WANT TO DEAL WITH IT, AND THEY'LL SELL 'EM AND THEY'LL MAKE THEIR PROFIT AND GET AWAY FROM THE, UH, BUSINESS END OF IT BECAUSE IT'S, WELL, IT'S THE MOM AND POPS, NOT THE ONES THAT WE MET. . YEAH. WELL, THAT'S THE MOM. NO, NOT THEM, POPS BRIDGET, YOU GOT SOMETHING. YEAH. THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE HEARD CONSISTENTLY IN THE MEETINGS THAT I HAVE ATTENDED IS THE RESIDENTS COMPLAINING ABOUT NOISE AND THIS, THAT AND THE OTHER. AND I UNDERSTAND THE, THE PUSH TO GET LAW ENFORCEMENT INVOLVED IN AND CALL, I WAS MORE CONCERNED ABOUT WHAT THE FINANCIAL IMPACT IS ON THE BURDENING OF THAT. I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT ON LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT LOOKING AT THE EXPENSE OF WHAT THAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE SOME NEIGHBORS THAT EVERY WEEKEND ARE, THAT ARE STRONGLY OPPOSED TO THE AIRBNB THAT'S BESIDE THEM. AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT'S GONNA GO ON, THEY'RE GONNA CALL. YEP. AND THAT BURDEN ON OUR MUNICIPALITY, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH IN THE , ESPECIALLY WHERE YOU HAVE SOME OF THESE SMALLER COMMUNITIES THAT YOU HAVE THREE TO FOUR NEIGHBORS THAT YOU KNOW ARE RIGHT NEXT TO ONE MM-HMM . SO I WAS, MY THOUGHT WAS, UH, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHAT OTHER AVENUES THERE COULD BE TO, UM, GET THE AIR TO BE ABLE TO CONTRIBUTE TO OUR, YOU KNOW, THAT SIDE, IF THERE'S ANY OTHER IMPACT, BE I, I DON'T KNOW. BUT THAT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, I SEE A TREND. I SEE A TREND, AND IT CONCERNS ME. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVING LAW ENFORCEMENT COMING OUT BECAUSE SOMEBODY'S PLAYING RADIO TOO LOUD VERSUS SOMETHING ELSE. IT'S AN EMERGENCY SITUATION. AND STAFF HAS, UH, STARTED SHARING. WE UPDATE A SPREADSHEET, UM, A COUPLE TIMES A MONTH, DEPENDING ON HOW MANY BOARD MEETINGS WE HAVE AND HOW MANY OF THESE THINGS ARE GETTING APPROVED. UM, BUT WE ARE UPDATING THAT CONSISTENTLY. WE USED TO JUST SHARE THAT WITH THE SHERIFF. WE ARE NOW SHARING THAT WITH, UM, FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL, JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE SEEING AN INCREASING TREND AS WELL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THAT OUT TO NOT ONLY THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE AND THE SHERIFF, BUT FIRE AND RESCUE AS WELL. SO WE'RE, WE'RE ALL TRYING, ALL THE DEPARTMENTS ARE WORKING TOGETHER. UM, AND AGAIN, JUST FOR, YOU KNOW, ANOTHER CONSOLATION PRIZE, UM, WE CURRENTLY, 1.07% OF OUR HOUSING STOCK IS SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS, 1.07%. AS MANY AS WE HAVE, WE'RE ONLY LOOKING AT A LITTLE OVER 1%. SO I KNOW THAT WE HAVE THESE MEETINGS AND WE'RE SEEING A BUNCH OF THESE APPLICATIONS OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. BUT 1% IS VERY SMALL. SO YOU'RE HAVING A LOT NOT RENEWING IS DO WHAT I COULDN'T DO. THEY'RE NOT RENEWING THEIR PERMIT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO RENEW THEIR PERMIT. THEY MAY NOT BE ESTABLISHING THEIR USE, BUT THEY DON'T HAVE TO RENEW THEIR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. RIGHT. NO, I WAS JUST THINKING A LICENSE OR SOMETHING ELSE. SO, OKAY. DID WHAT IS, WHAT ARE ALL THE AVENUES THAT THE PUBLIC HAS TO COMPLAIN AND FOLLOW THROUGH WITH YOU, YOU GUYS, IF THERE'S A CONSISTENT PROBLEM, IS THIS TRACKED OR REGISTERED WITH, WITH YOU ALL? YES. YEAH. SO, UM, FIRST AND FOREMOST, WE HAVE AN ONLINE AVENUE FOR EITHER ANONYMOUS OR THEY CAN TELL US WHO THEY ARE. WE HAVE A COMPLAINT FORM THAT THEY CAN FILL OUT. UM, MOST OF THE TIME WHEN THE COMPLAINTS ARE ISSUED, THEY'RE CALLING THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DIRECTLY. UM, SOMETIMES THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WILL CALL US AND SAY, HEY, WE'RE HAVING REGULAR ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY. THEY ARE VERY RARE. WE DO NOT HEAR COMPLAINTS VERY OFTEN, MAYBE LESS THAN FIVE A YEAR. UM, BUT WE DO KEEP TRACK OF IT. YES. WE SAVE ALL OF THOSE. AND ONCE WE RECEIVE A COMPLAINT, STAFF IMMEDIATELY REACHES OUT TO THE OWNER AND WE SAY, HEY, THIS IS WHAT'S GOING ON. UM, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST AS A REMINDER, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IT CAN BE REVOKED. UM, YOU NEED TO ABIDE YOUR, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH YOUR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WITH THE CONDITION SET FORTH THEREIN. AND THEY ARE VERY QUICK TO REMEDIATE THE ISSUE BECAUSE THEY DO NOT WANNA LOSE THAT CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. SO WE DO REACH OUT TO THEM VERY QUICKLY. OKAY. NOW, IS THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT ADVISING THE PUBLIC OF THEIR OTHER AVENUES? YEAH. YEAH. WE'LL TAKE THE COMPLAINT. WE'LL COME SEE WHAT WE CAN DO ABOUT IT. BUT COME MONDAY MORNING, YOU CALL THESE PEOPLE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. YES, THEY ABSOLUTELY ARE. OKAY. OKAY, [02:00:01] GOOD. SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO KNOW IS MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC KNOWS THAT. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. WE CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, LIKE THE, LIKE, HEY, THESE PEOPLE IN THE, OUT HERE, THE CITY THAT, YEAH, WE CALLED THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, BUT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY CALLED ANYBODY ELSE. I MEAN, DID THEY, AND I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY KNOW THAT THERE ARE THOSE OTHER AVENUES AND IS THE SHERIFF DEPARTMENT, IF NOTHING ELSE HERE, HERE'S A LIST, HERE'S A FLYER, HERE'S A WHOLE PAPER OF WHO YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO CALL. AND THEN WHEN YOU'VE GOT A PROBLEM, NOW WE'VE GOT OUR INFORMATION. NOW WE CAN TAKE THAT PERMIT, BUT ONE CALL TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND YOU DON'T FOLLOW UP, WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO? SO I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S, AND WE ACTUALLY, WE ACTUALLY PRINTED LITTLE BUSINESS CARDS THAT SAY HAVING A PROBLEM WITH THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. I MEAN, I'M NOT EVEN JOKING. WE HAVE THOSE, NOTHING ELSE. A PIECE OF PAPER LIKE THIS THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT WOULD, WOULD GIVE TO THE PEOPLE THAT SAY, CALL THESE PEOPLE ON MONDAY MORNING. OH, I'M NOT EVEN JOKING. BUT THAT IS A, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE THOSE NOW. SERIOUSLY? WE DO. BUT GIVING 'EM TO, GIVING 'EM TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS A GREAT IDEA. STACKING THEM UP THE DOOR. YEAH. I MEAN, WE NEED THAT SHEET THAT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT HAS, THAT WHEN THEY'RE OUT THERE ON THE COMPLAINT HERE, CALL THESE PEOPLE ON MONDAY, GO THROUGH THIS, GO TO THIS WEBSITE, TYPE IN THE COMPLAINT, BECAUSE OTHERWISE WE DON'T GET THIS INFORMATION. WE CAN'T PULL PERMITS. A LOT OF THIS COULD, BUT THEY DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN SET UP A, THAT COMPLAINT SECTION OVER THERE. A LOT OF THIS COULD BE CIRCUMVENT FOR PEOPLE HAVING PROBLEMS. JUST GO TALK TO THE OWNER OR THE PROPERTY MANAGER, BUT THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. AND YOU CAN HAVE THAT ON THE LIST. THEY'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. YEAH, NO, THEY'RE NOT DOING IT BECAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO COME FROM, THEY NO, THEY, EXACTLY. SO THEY LEAVE IT UP TO US. SO NOW WE ARE THE ONES THAT HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, NOW THAT WE'VE APPROVED ALL THIS IS A WAY FOR TO TEACH THE PUBLIC HOW YOU STOP IT. BECAUSE BY, BY LAW YOU CAN'T SAY, LIKE YOU SAID, WE CAN'T SAY, WELL, I'M GONNA APPROVE ALL THESE 10 OR 15, BUT YEAH, I'M TIRED OF APPROVING THEM NOW, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA DO IT ANYMORE MORE. MM-HMM . UNLESS WE CHANGE THE THING. YOU GUYS CAN MAKE IT BY WRITING. CUT US RIGHT OUTTA IT. . OKAY. THIS WAS A GOOD TIME. . WE WERE GOING DOWN THE AISLE HERE. BRIDGET, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? YEAH, YEAH. I MAKE A MOTION. . . PLEASE DO. . I'M GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. KELLY, YOU GOT ANYTHING FOR US? UH, JUST REALLY QUICK, WE ARE, UM, GOING TO START WORKING STAFF IS GOING TO CREATE A PRE-DEVELOPMENT COMMITTEE. THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BROUGHT UP DURING, UM, A DEPARTMENT HEAD MEETING. UM, SO SOMETHING THAT CROSS-DEPARTMENTALLY EVERYBODY WOULD LIKE TO SEE IF THIS HAPPENED. BASICALLY, STAFF RECEIVES A PHONE CALL. THEY, UH, THEY'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT MOVING FORWARD, BUT PRIOR TO SUBMITTING THIS FORMAL APPLICATION, UM, STAFF WOULD CONJURE THIS COMMITTEE. IT WOULD BE THROUGH BY A DEPARTMENT HEAD AND OR THEIR SECONDS, UM, THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH DEVELOPMENT. UM, AND THEN WE WOULD JUST BE IMPROVING THE QUALITY OF THE APPLICATIONS BEFORE THEY WERE SUBMITTED. SO JUST, ALRIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. MERY S HAPPY HOLIDAY. SOUNDS COOL. MERRY CHRISTMAS, HAPPY HOLIDAYS, WHATEVER YOU SAW. ANYTHING ELSE MR. HAM? NOPE. HAPPY HOLIDAYS TO ALL AND KEEP ON DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING. THIS A VERY, VERY FUNCTIONAL BOARD. MR. , YOU GOT ANYTHING CHASE? YEAH, IT'S A MATTER OF FORMALITY. ROBERT AND PAUL, ARE YOU INTERESTED IN, IN SERVING A, AN ADDITIONAL TERM ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION? ? ? SURE. I DID SPEAK TO YOU. I LOVE THINGS. I SPOKE TO HUGH HENRY AND TONY CARTER WHO WAS IN ATTENDANCE AT THE MEETING LAST NIGHT AND THEY WERE ALL AND SAID IF, IF THEY'RE WILLING TO , SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE ON THE, THE FIRST AGENDA IN JANUARY. AGAIN. IT IS. NO, IT WOULD BE REAPPOINTMENT. YOU WILL HAVE TO SWEAR IN AGAIN AND IT WILL ACTUALLY BE A PRETTY TIGHT WINDOW TO DO THAT. YEAH, I IT'S WHAT, UH MM-HMM . WE WERE TALKING ABOUT EARLIER. YEAH. YEAH. SO, UM, I HAVE ANGELA IN HERE. . YEAH. ALLISON, YOU GOT ANYTHING? UH, I DO SEEING IS, IS THE END OF THE YEAR. WE'VE GOT SOME HOUSEKEEPING COMING UP IN JANUARY. UM, FIRST OF ALL, BE AWARE THAT WE ARE HAVING ELECTIONS IN JANUARY AND WE CURRENTLY HAVE A VACANCY. SO I WANT YOU ALL TO LIKE, LIKE TAKE FIVE OR 10 MINUTES AND THINK ABOUT WHO YOU WANT RUNNING THIS BOARD. UM, ALSO YOU WILL [02:05:01] BE RECEIVING TWO THINGS IN AN EMAIL FROM ME COME JANUARY. THE FIRST OF WHICH IS A BRIEF FOYER REFRESHER PROVIDED BY OUR WONDERFUL MR. BOWMAN. I AM REQUESTING YOU COMPLETE THAT. IT IS NOT MANDATORY. THE SECOND THING YOU WILL BE RECEIVING IS A, UM, REAL ESTATE DISCLOSURE, DISCLOSURE FORM THAT IS MANDATORY. YES, THAT IS . UM, YOU CAN COMPLETE IT AND BRING IT BACK TO ME BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING IF YOU FEEL COMPELLED TO DO SO. OTHERWISE, PROVIDE IT BACK TO ME BEFORE OR WHEN WE SEE EACH OTHER IN JANUARY. UM, I WILL ALSO BE ABSCONDING WITH EVERYBODY'S IPADS IN JANUARY. IT'S TIME FOR AN UP, IF YOURS GETS BACK UP AND FUNCTIONAL BRIDGETTE , JUST KEEP YES. BUT IT IS TIME FOR OUR PERIODIC UPDATE AND THEN ROBERT AND PAUL, WE WILL, ONCE WE HAVE CONFIRMATION FROM THE BOARD THAT YOU GUYS HAVE BEEN REAPPOINTED AND YOU'RE READY TO GO AT THE COURTHOUSE, WE WILL CONTACT YOU SO YOU CAN GET DOWN THERE AND GET SWORN IN. OTHER THAN THAT, HAVE A JOYOUS WHATEVER IT IS THAT YOU'RE ELECTING TO CELEBRATE AND FOLLOWING THE THEME OF HOLIDAY, VARIOUS PUBLICATIONS AND EVERYTHING, AND TO ALL A GOOD NIGHT. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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