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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JANUARY 20TH, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING.AND WE'RE GONNA START OUT WITH, UH, BOBBY STEP DOING OUR PRAYER.
APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE TONIGHT.
SO FATHER, AS, AS ALWAYS, WE COUNTED SUCH A, A GREAT BLESSING AND AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO COME TOGETHER FOR THE PURPOSES OF, OF TALKING ABOUT THE BUSINESS OF, OF OUR COUNTY, UM, WE ASK THAT YOU WOULD JUST BLESS THESE PROCEEDINGS, FATHER, THE PEOPLE THAT ARE, ARE HERE TONIGHT TO, UH, EXPRESS THEIR DESIRES, CONCERNS, AND EVEN PRAISES THOSE THAT ARE, ARE IN FRONT OF US, HEARING THOSE THINGS, FATHER, MAY YOU GIVE THEM THE WISDOM AND THE DISCERNMENT THAT THEY NEED AS THEY MAKE, UH, DECISIONS FOR, FOR ALL OF US, UH, RESIDENTS OF, OF WARREN COUNTY.
AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR THEIR SERVICE.
WE THANK YOU FOR THE, THE FREEDOM OF EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US GETTING UP TO, TO SAY WHAT'S ON OUR MIND, TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS THE THINGS THAT ARE DEAR TO OUR HEARTS AND NOT WORRY ABOUT, UM, UH, RAMIFICATIONS OR IMPLICATIONS OF US SPEAKING OUT.
AND SO WE THANK YOU FOR BEING ABLE TO LIVE IN A COUNTRY THAT, UM, HAS THESE GREAT OPPORTUNITIES.
AND SO WE ASK INDEED, YOUR BLESSING UPON, UH, OUR TIME HERE THIS EVENING, AND, UH, AND THESE, UH, MEN AND WOMEN THAT ARE DEDICATED TO SERVING AND DOING THEIR BEST FOR US.
AND SO WE GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY IN JESUS' NAME.
AND IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS.
ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
[C) Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions ]
ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA TONIGHT? MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE OPINION PRESENT.
[D) Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit) ]
PUBLIC COMMENT, PERIOD.I KNOW EVERYONE'S GONNA BE GLAD TO, UH, START THE, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, I WILL SAY WE HAVE, I THINK, EIGHT PUBLIC HEARINGS.
UM, SO WE'LL HAVE A HARD STOP AT SEVEN 30, BUT WE'LL PICK UP, UM, AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARINGS AND FINISH UP THE HOUR.
IT IS A THREE MINUTE TIME PERIOD FOR EACH SPEAKER TO SPEAK.
ONCE ON AN ITEM THAT'S NOT A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'LL GET A SECOND, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING PARTS.
ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE BE CONSIDERED OF YOUR FELLOW, FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS.
AND MR. MOTEN, I HAVE DONE IT ONCE.
UM, I CAN, THE CHAIRMAN CAN ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED IN THE BOARD MEETING ROOM.
THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS USED AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS.
AND THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANY ONE OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDINGS.
AND YOU CAN BE ASKED TO BE, UM, REMOVED IF YOU, UM, DON'T FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.
SO, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? UH, YES MA'AM.
UM, MRS. COLOR, SHOULD WE MAYBE POINT OUT TO THE AUDIENCE THE NEW RULE WHERE WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD AND THAT IT DOESN'T JUST NEED TO BE ABOUT WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA? THEY CAN OKAY.
I DID, UM, WE WENT BACK TO THE WAY WE DID IT BEFORE, AND YOU CAN SPEAK ON ANYTHING.
UH, WE ARE HAVING PUBLIC HEARING, SO IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING COMMENT, YOU CAN DO THAT DURING THAT PUBLIC HEARING.
BUT, UM, LIKE I SAID, WE'RE GONNA GO UNTIL SEVEN 30 FOR THE PUBLIC HEARINGS, THEN GET THOSE AND THEN START BACK UP TO PUBLIC COMMENTS AFTER THAT.
AND JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT WHEN YOU COME UP, PLEASE.
JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UH, WHAT ABOUT TAXES? I KNOW THAT THE BOARD WILL SOON BEGIN WORKING ON THE BUDGET FOR THE 20 26, 20 27 PHYSICAL YEAR.
AND WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT AND ALL ITS EMPLOYEES ARE NOT A BUSINESS THAT GENERATES REVENUE, BUT AN ORGANIZATION THAT PROVIDES
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A MUCH NEEDED SERVICES FOR THE COMMUNITY, BUT INCREASES CONTINUE YEAR AFTER YEAR.SO THE QUESTION IS, WHAT COULD BE DONE TO REDUCE THE SPENDING? I HAVE REVIEWED, UH, FINANCIAL DOCUMENTS THAT ARE SUBMITTED TO THE BOARD EACH MONTH, AND I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS REGARDING VARIOUS ITEMS PURCHASED BY INDIVIDUALS WITH THE CREDIT CARDS.
AND SOME MAY FIND THE ITEMS PETTY AND NOT AN ISSUE.
HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO REMIND THESE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT EACH TIME THEY USE THESE CARDS, IT IS NOT WARREN COUNTY'S MONEY, BUT THE TAXPAYERS OF WOR OF WARREN COUNTY MONEY.
AND A PENNY SAVED IS A PENNY EARNED.
SO, LAST BOARD MEETING, A LITTLE CONFUSING FOR ME, BUT THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION ABOUT THE ATTORNEY'S BILLING AND THE TIME HE SPENDS AT THE BOARD MEETINGS.
AND I WOULD JUST SIMPLY SAY THAT IF ALL THE BOARD MEMBERS WERE BETTER PREPARED FOR WHAT'S ON THE AGENDA, THEN THE MEETINGS WOULDN'T LAST THREE AND A HALF HOURS.
SO MY MY THOUGHTS ON THAT, ANOTHER ISSUE WAS THE, UH, TALKED ABOUT NEW COUNTY ORDINANCES AND COUNTY LAWS.
SO I UNDERSTAND THAT TO MEAN LIKE THE COUNTY CODE.
SO SHOULD YOU TAKE THE TIME TO ADOPT OR HAVE A NEW CODE, THEN I, I THINK YOU SHOULD FOLLOW THAT CODE AND NOT ALLOW THE WAIVERS, UH, LIKE WE DO A LOT OF TIMES.
THE ONLY OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO ASK IS I'D LIKE TO SEE SOME ACTION TO RESTORE THE FUNDING TO SANTOS PUBLIC LIBRARY SO THEY CAN CONTINUE TO OPERATE IN THE COMMUNITY.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTEN AND I LIVE IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
I SUPPORT REPLACING THE A S 400 AND MODERNIZING AIR FINANCIAL SYSTEMS. I'VE SEEN WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
IT'S LIKE A, UH, TEXT-BASED GREEN SYSTEM FROM THE NINETIES THAT YOU LOG ON WITH THE OLD CRT MONITORS.
I, I THINK WE CAN JUMP AHEAD, BUT ACCESSING THE DATA IS DIFFICULT AND IT USUALLY REQUIRES SOMEBODY WHO STILL PROGRAMS AN RPGA RARE AND EXPENSIVE SKILL FOR REQUESTS SUCH AS FOIA.
UM, AND UNDER TIME PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, THAT CAN MEAN FINDING HELP AT A SHORT TIME NOTICE AND A GREAT COST TO BOTH THE COUNTY IN TIME AND THE INDIVIDUAL MAKING THE REQUESTS AND FUNDS TO PAY FOR THAT.
UM, AS THE RFP MOVES FORWARD, I'M CONCERNED THAT THE SCOPE IS STILL UNSETTLED.
PARTICULAR WHETHER THE TREASURER AND THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HAVE BEEN INCLUDED ON THIS CONVERSATION.
UH, WE, THEY ARE PART OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND UNCERTAINTY HERE MAKES IT DIFFICULT FOR VENDORS TO, UH, PRICE ACCURATELY FOR THE COUNTY TO COMPARE PROPOSALS MEANINGFULLY.
THE FUNCTIONAL AND TECHNICAL REQUIREMENTS DOCUMENT CONTAINS ALMOST 1400 INDIVIDUAL REQUIREMENTS, AND THE MAJORITY OF THOSE ARE LABELED CRITICAL.
UH, IT, IT JUST BECOMES NOISE AS TO WHAT ACTUALLY IS CRITICAL AND WHAT ISN'T, UH, WHAT SHOULD THE PRIORITY BE.
UH, THERE'S ALSO THE FOIA RESPONSIVENESS IS OVERLOOKED.
IT INCLUDES REPORTING TOOLS AND EXPORTS, BUT IT NEVER TREATS PUBLIC RECORDS REQUESTS AS A DEFINED USE CASE.
THERE ARE NO REQUIREMENTS FOR NON PROGRAMMER DATA ACCESS, NO PERFORMANCE EXPECTATIONS FOR CREATING THE RECORDS UNDER THE STATUTORY DEADLINES.
AND NO DEMONSTRATION OF CRITERIA SHOWING HOW WEIGHT REQUESTS WOULD ACTUALLY BE FULFILLED.
WHETHER YOU NEED TO CONTACT THE VENDOR TO FULFILL THOSE REQUESTS, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK IF THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE HAS HAD DIRECT INPUT ON WHAT THE DATA ACCESS AND REPORTING TOOLS THAT THEY NEED TO PERFORM THEIR OVERSIGHT DUTIES EFFECTIVELY, WERE CONSIDERED IN THE MODERN SYSTEM.
I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO STOP THE PROCESS, I'M ASKING IT TO JUST SLOW IT ENOUGH TO FINALIZE THE SCOPE, ESPECIALLY AROUND FOIA.
HI, KATHLEEN MANCINI, SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, LAST OR TWO WEEKS AGO, I SPOKE ABOUT HIGH TOP ROAD AND, AND THE ROAD AND HOW IT CAN'T HANDLE, UM, 63 MORE HOUSES ON IT.
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NEIGHBOR SPOKE ABOUT THEIR ISSUES WITH WELL WATER AND HOW, UM, THE, THE AQUIFER CAN'T HANDLE THE 63 HOUSES.AND TODAY I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST THAT THERE BE AN ORDINANCE, A NEW ORDINANCE IN WARREN COUNTY, THAT A BUILDING PERMIT CANNOT BE ISSUED UNLESS THERE IS PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE.
INFRASTRUCTURE BEING ROADS, WATER, AND WHAT ELSE MIGHT BE NEEDED? AND YOU WOULD, I WOULD THINK THAT YOU DON'T NEED AN ORDINANCE LIKE THAT IF YOU HAVE COMMON SENSE AND GOOD GOVERNANCE.
BUT APPARENTLY WE NEED THAT ORDINANCE IN THIS COUNTY BECAUSE ACCORDING TO EVERYBODY I'VE TALKED TO, THOSE 63 HOUSES ARE GOING TO BE BUILT EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT THE AQUIFER CAN'T HANDLE IT AND THE ROAD CAN'T HANDLE IT.
SO IF WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT SAYS A BUILDING PERMIT CAN'T BE ISSUED, IF THERE IS NOT PROPER INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT IT, I THINK IT WOULD, WOULD BE THE WAY TO HANDLE THAT ISSUE.
SO I'D LIKE TO, TO SEE HOW WE COULD POSSIBLY GET THAT DONE.
THEN AFTER THAT IS DOMINIC RUBAL.
UH, DOMINIC RUBLE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UH, THE FIRST THING I'D LIKE TO BRING TO THE BOARD'S ATTENTION IS THE AMENDMENTS FOR, UH, ROOSTER EXCEPTION TO BACKYARD CHICKENS IN THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
UH, I FEEL THE PROPOSAL WAS PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
I THINK, UM, MOST PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN A COMMUNITY SUCH AS OURS DON'T REALLY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE NOISE THAT CHICKENS MAKE.
AND I THINK THE, THE, UH, THE CRITERIA THAT I'VE SEEN, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE ACREAGE AND THE, AND THE NOISE REQUIREMENTS AND THE LIMITS TO ONE REASON, I THINK THAT'S PERFECTLY REASONABLE.
I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD, SHOULD PASS THAT AMENDMENT.
UM, THE OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO BRING UP IS THAT THE MOST RECENT ARTICLE IN THE ROYAL EXAMINER BEGS THE QUESTION, UH, FOR MR. STAN MEYER.
THE VOTERS OF YOUR DISTRICT WILL NOT FORGET YOUR MISREPRESENTATION OF THE FACTS IN, IN THIS REGARD, UH, TO THE POLLUTION FROM CHRISTENDOM COLLEGE, UM, AND THE ASSERTIONS THAT YOU MADE, UH, IN PUBLIC MEETINGS HERE, UH, THE RECORD SHOWS THAT WASTEWATER SOLIDS DID REACH THE SHENANDOAH.
AND COMMON SENSE ALSO SHOWS THAT WASTEWATER SOLIDS CANNOT FLOAT IN BODIES OF WATER THAT DON'T CONSIST OF WATER.
YOU REPRESENT THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT, UH, NOT CHRISTENDOM COLLEGE.
NEXT UP IS MYRTLE SADICK AND SHE HAS THE CLIENT TO SPEAK.
SO THAT IS ALL THE SIGNUPS I HAVE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, MA'AM.
LINDA MCDONOUGH, SHENANDOAH COUNTY.
AND I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT, LIKE I DID LAST WEEK ABOUT THE WELL WATER AND THAT WE, WARREN COUNTY IS UNDER A VERY SEVERE DROUGHT.
AND ON, UM, YOU CAN LOOK UP AT THE US DROUGHT MONITOR, UM, THAT WE ARE IN D TWO, WHICH IS SEVERE DROUGHT.
AND BASICALLY THE ONLY WAY THAT GROUNDWATER IS REPLENISHED IS THROUGH SNOW.
UH, VERY LITTLE IS DONE BY RAIN.
AND, UM, BECAUSE OF THE NEW HOUSING, WE HAVE 15 NEW HOUSES GOING IN ON SWITCHBACK, WHICH I BELIEVE THEY MIGHT HAVE RENAMED LEE ROAD.
OH, AND THEY'RE ON HALF ACRE LOTS.
AND THEN WE HAVE 50 MORE UP ON CAP'S, WHICH IS ON THE UPPER SIDE OF HIGH TOP.
THERE'S NO OTHER WAY IN OR OUT ONE WAY OR NO OTHER WAY.
UH, BECAUSE THEY CLOSED DOWN SWITCHBACK.
AND, UM, WHEN MY WELL WENT DRY, BECAUSE THEY, UM, BUILT A HOUSE ACROSS THE STREET AND PUT THEIR WELL IN.
AND MINE WENT DRY OVERNIGHT AND HAD THE UNITED STATES GEOLOGICAL PEOPLE COME UP AND THEY CAME IN AND DID A PRESENTATION TO THE COUNTY AND EVERYTHING ABOUT MY WELL AND THE WAY THE WELLS ARE DONE HERE IN THE COUNTY.
UM, I BROUGHT IN THIS WHEN MY WELL WENT DRY, IT IS A, UH, AN ASSESSMENT OF THE GROUNDWATER.
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TWO WEEKS AGO.I BROUGHT IN ONE FROM 2025 THAT WAS DONE BY, UM, VIRGINIA TECH.
THESE ARE VERY QUALIFIED, UH, PEOPLE TO BE DOING THESE STUDIES.
UM, AND SO I DO HAVE ONE TO GIVE TO THE CLERK AND ONE TO THE, UM, CHAIR TO GUYS LOOK AT 'EM.
THEY'RE VERY SIMILAR FROM 2010 TO 2025.
AND, UM, I'M JUST REALLY, I'M JUST VERY CONCERNED.
WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GONNA PUT IN NEW WELLS ON A HALF ACRE LOT? UM, DOWN THE ROAD FROM ME, THERE'S THREE HOUSES ON HALF ACRE.
THEIR WELLS ARE 50 P FEET APART BECAUSE THEY GOT EXEMPTIONS TO BE ABLE TO PUT THEIR WELLS THAT CLOSE TOGETHER.
SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN? THIS IS YOUR, THIS IS AS BIG AS YOUR BUDGET, OUR WATER, AND UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE CITY GETS, UH, WARREN COUNTY, THEY SIT THERE AND PUT THEM ON WATER RESTRICTION AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO OUT THERE IN OUR, ON OUR MOUNTAIN? IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT JUST THE ROADS, BUT THIS IS WATER FOR CRYING OUT LOUD ALREADY.
I SPOKE TO TWO NEIGHBORS ON HIGH TOP THAT ARE RUNNING OUT OF WATER RIGHT NOW.
AND UM, AND I KNOW THAT IF IT'S CONTACTED THROUGH THE FARMS, UM, ON HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE LOST WATER BECAUSE OF THE WELLS AND THE BUILDING THAT'S GOING ON, THAT SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE NOW ABOUT IT.
BUT NOW I'M GONNA JUST WALK THIS UP AND GIVE THESE PAPERS.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? MR. SAYER? YOU'RE COMING UP TO SPEAK OR FINDING A SEAT? FINDING A SEAT.
ALRIGHT, MOVING ON WITH THE, WE CAN'T START THE PUBLIC HEARING.
NO, BUT I'M LOOKING AT THE AGENDA THINKING MAYBE WE CAN APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS OR MAYBE APPROVAL MINUTES ITEM APPROVAL.
[G) 1. Approval of Minutes - January 8th 2026 ]
GO TO THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.IF EVERYBODY'S AGREEABLE TO THAT, I DON'T THINK THERE'LL BE TOO MUCH DISCUSSION.
AND THAT'LL TAKE UP A FEW MINUTES.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, OR CORRECTIONS? UM, I'D MAKE A, WELL I JUST A COUPLE.
SPELLING CORRECTIONS, UM, UH, MR. EDWIN WRIGHT, HIS NAME WAS, UM, SPELT WRONG AND I THINK THE SPELLING OF UH, CRYSTAL KLEIN, THE NAME CRYSTAL, I SAW THOSE.
UM, NOT THAT THOSE ARE BIG DEAL, BUT TO BE CORRECT WHEN VOTING ON THIS.
UM, AND THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY THING I SAW.
UH, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MEETING MINUTES OF JANUARY 8TH, 2026 WITH THE CORRECTIONS NOTICE BY CHAIRMAN, UH, CALLERS.
SECOND WILL CALL MR. HENDERSON.
I FEEL LIKE WE MAY, WE'VE GOT 10 MINUTES.
WE OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS
[F) Appropriations & Transfers - Approval of Accounts ]
APPROPRIATION AND TRANSFERS.UM, ON THE APPROPRIATION AND TRANSFERS.
ARE THERE ANY ITEMS FOR DISCUSSION? IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED.
APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS? ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THOSE AND GIVE EVERYONE A CHANCE TO DOUBLE CHECK THEM?
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ANY QUESTIONS? DISCUSSION? ALL RIGHT.MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE IF THE BOARD APPROVE THE ACCOUNTS AS PRESENTED.
[H)1. New Road Naming Request for properties accessed off of Gooney Manor Loop. ]
BUSINESS.THE NEW ROAD NAMING REQUEST, UH, FOR PROPERTIES OFF OF GOY MANOR LOOP THAT WAS ON OUR AGENDA LAST WEEK AND THERE WAS, UM, CONCERN THAT IT SOUNDED TOO MUCH LIKE OTHER ROADS AND THERE WAS, UM, A NEW NAME PROPOSED.
MR. CHASER, MS. WALL, I DIDN'T SEE ANYTHING THAT SAID THERE WAS ANY CONTROVERSY WITH THIS NEW NAME.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE TO NAME THE AXIS ROAD OFF OF GOY MANOR LOOP SHILOH LANE.
S-H-I-L-O-H LANE AS SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATION ENTITLED, PROPOSED NEW ROAD SHILOH LANE.
WELL I THINK THE CONSENT AGENDA'S A LITTLE MORE THAN WE'RE GONNA DO IN ABOUT EIGHT MINUTES, SO I GUESS WE'LL TAKE A FEW MINUTES BREAKS AT SEVEN 30.
WE'LL GET THESE PUBLIC HEARINGS STARTED.
APPRECIATE YOUR PATIENCE, BUT WE NEED TO STICK TO THE RULES AND THE REGULATIONS.
[E)1. CUP2025-11-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 422 Bowman Hollow Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 422 Bowman Hollow Road and is identified on tax map 3C as lot 24B. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS CUP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH ONE.IT'S A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL AT 4 22 BOWMAN HOLLOW ROAD, A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL.
AND THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT THAT ADDRESS AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP THREE C AS LOT 4 24 B AND IT'S, UH, ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE RECENTLY BUILT.
HE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING TO BE CLOSE TO THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK AND OTHER AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY.
THE OWNER, MR. LEE AND MS. CARTER, A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO WOODLAND SPRINGS LLC, BUT NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS TIME.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 661 FEET TO THE WEST PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENTS, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS OR TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED I DO NOT BELIEVE THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME OKAY.
PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN AND JUST TO BE SURE AS THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT.
DOES THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR, UH, MS. WALL ON THIS ITEM? IF NOT, UM, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? UH, NO MA'AM.
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YES, SIR.UH, LOOK, I'M OPPOSED TO ALL THE SHORT FAIR PARISH RENTALS.
I'VE MENTIONED THAT LAST YEAR AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS AND THE, AND THE BOARD MEETINGS HERE.
AND, UH, BASICALLY WHEN THESE THINGS ARE APPROVED, THEY ARE A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS LOCATED IN AN R ONE RESIDENTIAL AREA.
SO ALSO WHEN THE COUNTY APPROVES THIS SPECIAL USE PERMIT PERMIT, WHICH IS A BUSINESS, THERE'S, THERE'S NO COMPLIANCE WITH THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT, WHICH GUARANTEES PUBLIC ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ALL BUSINESSES.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW THE COUNTY GETS BY WITHOUT REQUIRING SOME TYPE ACCESSIBILITY FOR HANDICAP INDIVIDUALS FOR THESE 200 OR MORE SHORT TERM
UH, EVENTUALLY SOONER OR LATER THE AMERICAN WITH DISABILITIES ACT, THAT WAS THAT A LOT OF LEGAL PRECEDENTS TO GET THAT GOING.
IT'S ONLY A MATTER OF TIME BEFORE A CUSTOMER COMES IN FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA, CAN'T GET IN THE HOUSE, DAUGHTER'S HANDICAPPED, CAN'T WALK, CAN'T GET THE WHEELCHAIR IN BECAUSE OF STEPS.
IN MY MIND, THE COUNTY WOULD BE SOMEWHAT LIABLE BECAUSE THEY APPROVE THE BUSINESS WITHOUT ADHERING TO THIS AMERICAN DISABILITIES ACT.
THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WHEN NEW CONSTRUCTION FOR BUSINESSES ARE REQUIRED TO MAKE SURE THAT ACCESS IS AVAILABLE, I'M PRETTY SURE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
ANYONE ELSE? THIRD AND FINAL, ALL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS MR. JENKINS' COMMENTS IF THAT'S OKAY.
OH, THE, UH, THE STATE LEGISLATURE HAS RULED THIS NOT BEING A COMMERCIAL ENTITY.
OH, IT IS JUST SIMPLY LIVING IN THE HOUSE UNDER A SHORT TERM.
UH, IT DOES, UH, I, I GET IT SOUNDS VERY COMMERCIALLY 'CAUSE YOU'RE OF WHAT IT'S USED FOR, BUT, UH, THERE ACTUALLY WAS A COURT CASE RULING, UH, SOME TIME AGO.
UM, AND THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T HAVE TO REZONE IT TO ALLOW IT.
UM, SO JUST A LITTLE HISTORY THERE.
UH, FROM A LEGAL STANDPOINT, IT IS NOT A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS.
SO I JUST THOUGHT I'D CLARIFY.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH ONE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
SECOND, ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON.
[E)2. CUP2025-11-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 3221 Freezeland Rd - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 3221 Freezeland Road and is identified on tax map 23E, section 1, as lot 9. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
CP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH TWO.SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL THREE.
IT'S A REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL, UM, IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 E SECTION ONE IS LOT NINE AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY SHE PURCHASED IN OCTOBER OF 2021.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE PROPERTY AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING FOR TOURISTS AND VISITORS OF THE WARREN COUNTY AREA.
THE APPLICANT WILL SERVE AS THE PRIMARY PROPERTY MANAGER WITH ASSISTANCE FROM A LOCAL POINT OF CONTACT.
PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE KENNY WOODS SUBDIVISION, UM, AND DIRECTLY ACROSS FROM, UH, FOX MEADOW VINEYARDS THAT'S RIGHT ON THE COUNTY LINE.
AND THIS SUBDIVISION IS NOT GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
AND THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.
LOCAL CONTACT DOES LIVE WITHIN THE REQUIRED 30 MILE ASSISTANCE FROM THE PROPERTY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM ALL NEIGHBORING DWELLINGS.
THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 90 FEET FROM THE DWELLING ON THE PROPERTY TO THE EAST.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A LETTER OF SUPPORT FOR THIS APPLICATION FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS LOCATED WITHIN A HUNDRED FEET.
UH, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDED RECOMMENDATION
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OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICE EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET FROM NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 90 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED.
NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING LOOKS LIKE, UH, NO, BUT I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS.
AND AGAIN, JUST TO MAKE SURE IF THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? IF NOT, UM, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, MA'AM.
KATHLEEN MANCINI SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, STATE MY OBJECTION TO GIVING A WAIVER TO THE A HUNDRED FOOT RULE.
I DON'T THINK WAIVER SHOULD JUST BE HANDED OUT BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS, I DON'T THINK THAT RULE SHOULD APPLY TO ME.
AND I DON'T SEE A COMPELLING REASON FOR, UM, A WAIVER.
SO I JUST WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT.
AND I ALSO WANTED TO SAY THAT IF A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL IS NOT A BUSINESS, THEN HOW COME A BUSINESS PERMIT IS REQUIRED AND BUSINESS TAXES ARE COLLECTED.
YOU WOULD THINK IF IT WALKS LIKE A BUSINESS QUACKS LIKE A BUSINESS, IT'S A BUSINESS.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES, SIR.
UH, JIM BARNES, UH, SOUTH, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SECOND, UH, HER, UM, UH, RECOMMENDED FOR RECOMMENDATION FOR DENIAL, UH, BASED ON THE WAIVER.
UM, I, I'M SURE THERE ARE, UH, UH, CALCULATIONS THAT YOU GUYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN YOU'RE CONSIDERING A WAIVER.
BUT, UH, AND, AND 10 FEET SHORT OF THE, OF THE, THE REQUIREMENT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MUCH, BUT 90 FEET IS NOT A HUNDRED FEET.
THE, THE, THE, THE REQUIREMENT IS, IS 100 FEET AND IT EITHER IS OR IT ISN'T.
UM, SO I WOULD JUST RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL OF THIS ONE.
UM, I WOULD ALSO, UH, I'LL, I'LL ADD MY VOICE TO, UH, TO MR. JENKINS.
UM, AS A GENERAL RULE, I'M OPPOSED TO, UH, TO THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
UM, I, I, I KNOW THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM, UM, BUT IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THERE'S, WE'RE JUST GETTING MORE AND MORE AND MORE OF THESE.
AND THERE SEEMS TO BE NO END IN SIGHT.
UM, I'M, I'M SURE THERE IS A BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY FROM HAVING THESE, BUT THERE IS ALSO A COST.
AND SO MY QUESTION WOULD BE OVER THE, OVER THE, THE GRAND SCALE IS WHAT'S THE PLAN FOR, FOR DRAWING A LINE? WHERE, WHERE DO WE, WHERE DO WE DRAW THAT LINE AS FAR AS THE, THE, THE NUMBER OF SHORT-TERM RENTALS WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY ARE NOW TOO MANY AND IT'S NOW A BURDEN VERSUS A COST.
BUT ON THIS ONE AT LEAST I WOULD RECOMMEND, UH, DENIAL.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? SECOND CALL.
THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? ALRIGHT, I, I'LL DO THE MOTION TOO, BUT I'LL, I'LL GIVE A LITTLE HISTORY ON THAT FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
'CAUSE WE'VE LOOKED AT IT SEVERAL TIMES ON THE SETBACK.
OH, PRETTY MUCH THE RULE OF THUMB WAS, IS THAT YOU HAD TO HAVE ABSOLUTE, YOU KNOW, WRITTEN PERMISSION FROM WHOEVER YOU'RE WAVERING THE SETBACK ON IN, UH, IN A LOT OF CASES WHERE IT REALLY MADE, YOU KNOW, SOME, YOU KNOW, 90 FOOT, 10 FOOT'S NOT A BIG DEAL FOR, IF THAT NEIGHBOR IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, I'M, AND HAS NO OBJECTION, I WOULD SUPPORT IT.
WE, BECAUSE SOME OF 'EM ARE VERY LOW, THEY'RE 35 FEET.
AND YOU THINK, WHY WOULD YOU APPROVE THAT? OH, BOTH OF THEM MAY BE SHORT TERM
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RENTALS.SO, YOU KNOW, ONE SHORT TERM RENTAL'S NOT A NUISANCE TO GET AN ANOTHER SHORT TERM RENTAL.
AND THEN I'VE ALSO SEEN IT WHERE THE, UH, IT WAS TWO HOUSES TOGETHER.
THEY WERE VERY CLOSE AND OWNER OF BOTH PROPERTIES LIVED IN ONE AND RENTED THE OTHER.
AND HE WAS NOT VERY SUCCESSFUL AS A LONG-TERM RENTER.
AND, UM, TO ME THAT WAS ALMOST LIKE BED AND BREAKFAST.
'CAUSE LITERALLY THE PROPERTY MANAGER
SO THEY WERE, UH, VERY POSITIVE EXAMPLES OF WHEN WE WAVED THE SETBACK.
BUT IF IT'S LESS THAN A HUNDRED OH, AND YOU COME IN AND SAY, I I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT, THEN I'D BE MORE APT TO SUPPORT NOT WAIVE IN THE RULE.
BUT JUST TO CONFIRM, YOU DID HAVE LETTER OF A OF APPROVAL FROM THE NEIGHBOR THAT YES, SIR.
OH, BASED ON THAT, I UM, MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR APPROVES THE CONDITION USE PERMIT 20 25 11 0 2 FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND.
[E)3. CUP2025-11-03 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 137 Wendy Hill Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 137 Wendy Hill Road and is identified on tax map 15D, section 2, block 5, as lot 124A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
CUP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH THREE.SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 1 37 WENDY HILL ROAD.
UM, THIS IS LOCATED ON TAX MAP 15 D SECTION TWO BLOCK FIVE LOT 1 24 A AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL AND IS IN THE SHANAN DOOR.
THE APPLICANT'S ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY RECENTLY PURCHASED.
IN ORDER TO OFFSET THE COST OF OWNING A SECOND HOME, THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING TO BE CLOSE TO THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK AND OTHER AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY WHILE NOT IN USE, UM, AS THEIR SECOND HOME, MR. KOVICH WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 10 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT DWELLING.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2009.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, BUT NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS TIME.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, THE CLOSEST BEING 145 FEET TO THE WEST.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID MOVE THIS FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
UM, PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE SAME, UM, CONDITIONS AS THE PREVIOUS TWO, LESS THE WAIVER SETBACK.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR A WAIVER SETBACK AS IT MEETS THE MINIMUM.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? MR. HENDERSON? IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? YES, SIR.
MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, YOU HAD JUST MENTIONED THAT, UH, YOU WOULD OFTEN BASE YOUR DECISIONS OFF OF NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
I HAVE BROUGHT UP BEFORE, AND I BELIEVE ANOTHER CONSTITUENT HAS CONTACTED THE SUPERVISORS BEFORE AS WELL ABOUT SOME KIND OF SCORING METRICS.
AND I BELIEVE IF SOMETHING WERE AVAILABLE ON YOUR WEBSITE THAT SAYS, HEY, THIS WILL FACTOR IN, AND IF YOU CAN'T GET YOUR NEIGHBORS TO AGREE, THEN THEY, IT REALLY ISN'T WORTH YOUR TIME TO APPROACH THE SUPERVISORS.
IT WOULD SAVE EVERYBODY TIME IF THEY KNEW THAT GOING IN THAT THIS WAS AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFIER.
UM, IT MIGHT NOT BE AN IMMEDIATE DISQUALIFIER, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S REALLY GOING TO BE IMPACT THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT, IS IT A SCORE OR NOT, BUT YOUR DECISIONS, IF IT'S VERY MUCH IMPACTED BY A NEGATIVE, UM, NEIGHBOR THAT DOESN'T WANT THIS, PLEASE BRING THAT UP FRONT AND STOP WASTING EVERYBODY'S TIME.
WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE THESE HEARINGS.
IF EVERYBODY KNOWS AHEAD OF TIME, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK UNLESS THEY CAN GET THEIR NEIGHBORS TO AGREE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM.
KATHLEEN MANCINI SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT THE LAST PERSON WAS JUST SAYING.
UM, I DON'T THINK IT SHOULD BE A RESPONSIBILITY OF A NEIGHBOR TO
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ENFORCE WARREN COUNTY ORDINANCES.UM, IT, IT COULD BE IN A SITUATION WHERE SOMEBODY IS PRESSURING A NEIGHBOR.
IT COULD GET INTO ALL KINDS OF DIFFICULTIES.
IF SOMEBODY SAYS NO AND THAT PERSON REALLY WANTS TO GO FORWARD, YOU'RE PUTTING AN AWFUL LOT OF BURDEN ON A NEIGHBOR TO ENFORCE YOUR REGULATION.
IT SHOULD BE UP TO WARREN COUNTY TO ENFORCE A REGULATION.
IF YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT REGULATION, YOU SHOULD ENFORCE IT.
AND A NEIGHBOR SHOULDN'T BE THE ONE MAKING THAT DECISION.
I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR ON THE NEIGHBORS.
THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS.
THEY HAVE NEVER PROBABLY HAD AN AIRBNB NEXT TO THEIR HOUSE.
THEY DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT THEM UNTIL IT DOES.
AND IF IT TURNS OUT THAT IT HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THEM, THERE'S JUST ABOUT NOTHING THEY CAN DO TO CHANGE THAT DECISION.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BASE AN APPROVAL ON THE NEIGHBOR'S DECISION, THEN THAT NEIGHBOR SHOULD AT LEAST HAVE THE OPTION TO COME BACK AND SAY, THIS IS NOT WORKING.
YOU NEED TO, UM, TAKE BACK THAT APPROVAL AND YOU DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION AVAILABLE.
SO I DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR TO PUT THAT BURDEN ON A NEIGHBOR WHEN IT SHOULD BE UP TO WARREN COUNTY TO ENFORCE THEIR ORDINANCE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? LINDA MCDONOUGH? SHANNON DOA.
UM, I THOUGHT THAT I HEARD THEM SAY SOMETHING ABOUT POSF INC.
AND THAT THEY REACHED OUT TO THEM AND EVERYTHING.
WELL, WHEN IT COMES TO POSF INC, I'VE BEEN HERE FOR YEARS TRYING TO GET Y'ALL TO UNDERSTAND THAT WE ARE LIKE A COUNTRY CLUB.
OKAY? WE DO NOT BELONG TO POSF.
THE SANITARY DISTRICT IS SOMETHING THAT IS TOTALLY SEPARATE.
WE DON'T NEED THEIR PERMISSION OR ANY LETTER FROM THEM OR ANYTHING TO DO WHATEVER IT IS OF WHAT IS GOING ON.
AND I'M JUST SICK OF HEARING THIS STUFF OVER AND OVER.
I'VE BROUGHT IN DOCUMENTATION, PROVED IT, IT IS LEGAL.
THERE IS NO IF, ANDS OR BUTS ABOUT IT.
POSF IS NOT EVEN IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, HAS NEVER BEEN IN SANITARY DISTRICT.
WHEN THE JUDGE MADE IT A SANITARY DISTRICT, HE, THOSE PROPERTIES WERE IN THERE, BUT THEN POSF WENT UHUH, UH, AND THEY TOOK 'EM OUT AND UM, I'M JUST SICK OF HEARING, I'VE BEEN COMING HERE FOR OVER 18 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN SHY THE LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
UM, BUT THE INFORMATION IS STILL THERE.
THE BOARD HAS BEEN PUT ON NOTICE THIS, THIS STUFF HAS BEEN OUT.
MR. CARTER'S BEEN ON THAT BOARD WHEN I WAS COMING IN HERE ALL THOSE YEARS.
AND UM, I MEAN IT'S VERY CLEAR, I'M JUST SO TIRED OF THIS THAT I JUST WISH THAT THEY WOULD GO BY WARREN COUNTY LAWS.
YOU HAVE A HUNDRED FOOT RADIUS, KEEP IT A HUNDRED FEET, YOU KNOW, THESE, UH, EXEMPTIONS AND ALL OF THESE STUFF THAT YOU GUYS GRANT AND EVERYTHING, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS.
WHY CAN'T WE GO BY THE LAWS THAT WE HAVE HERE? THIS IS WHAT WE VOTED FOR.
THIS IS WHY WE LIVE HERE, IS FOR YOU ALL TO STAND UP FOR US.
THE RESIDENTS THAT LIVE HERE THAT WANNA KEEP IT AT THE A HUNDRED FOOT.
ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE IN THE WARREN COUNTY WEBSITE THAT YOU GO LOOK IT UP, THAT IT SOUNDS SO HUNKY DORY.
BUT THEN WHEN YOU START COMING DOWN AND REALIZING THAT, OH NO, IT JUST CHANGES FLIGHT OF HAND, ALL THIS STUFF.
JUST GO DOWN, PAY THE UM, HEALTH DEPARTMENT, DO ALL THAT, JUMP THROUGH THEIR HOOPS AND BAM, YOU GET IT GRANTED.
AND SO I REALLY HOPE THAT WHEN I'M DOWN HERE AGAIN, I DON'T HEAR NOTHING ABOUT SHENANDOAH FARMS AND POSF INC.
INTERMIXED TOGETHER AND THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK? SECOND CALL THIRD AND FINAL CALL.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO ADDRESS ANYTHING THAT WAS SAID? OKAY, THANK YOU.
ANY DISCUSSION OR COMMENTS? IF I COULD JUST SAY, UM, I THINK WITHIN SIX, THE LAST SIX MONTHS, I THINK WE HAD TWO WORK SESSIONS ABOUT
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THIS.UH, I MIGHT BE WRONG ABOUT THE NUMBER OF MONTHS, BUT WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF WORK SESSIONS.
AND AT THE LAST ONE I THINK WE, UH, AND I WANT, THIS IS WHAT I WANNA VERIFY IS, IS, UH, THAT GRID SCORING METHOD HAD BEEN MENTIONED AND HAS THAT BEEN SORT OF LIKE TAKEN INTO A PROJECT TO EVALUATE BY, BY PLANNING GUYS? I HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
I HAVE NOT FORWARDED IT TO LEGAL FOR REVIEW.
UH, FRANKLY UPON MY REVIEW OF IT, NOT MUCH OF IT LOOKED LEGALLY VIABLE.
THE OVERALL STRUCTURE MAY BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD APPROACH LIKE A BUYRIGHT VERSUS BY CUP KIND OF DIVISION.
BUT THE INDIVIDUAL FUNCTIONS WITHIN THE TABLE THAT WAS PRESENTED, NOT MUCH OF THAT HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH, UH, THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS IN PLACE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTALS OR ADDRESSING PUBLIC HEALTH AND SAFETY FACTORS AS IT RELATES TO A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THE ONLY THING I WOULD LIKE TO CLARIFY WITH PLANNING FOR, UH, COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, UM, THERE IS, THERE IS SOME VALUE TO TO DISCUSS WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS TO KIND OF GET A FEEL, UM, SO THAT NEIGHBORS AREN'T CAUGHT OFF GUARD WHEN A SIGN GOES IN THE YARD THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HAVE ENCOURAGED HAVING DISCUSSIONS.
I NEVER THOUGHT OF IT THE WAY THAT YOU'VE MENTIONED IT.
UM, IT'S JUST NICE TO HAVE AN IDEA OF HOW WELL THIS IS GONNA BE RECEIVED IN THE COMMUNITY.
AND THE OTHER THING THERE IS AN AVENUE, IF ANY OF THESE, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS JUST THAT IT'S A CONDITION.
YOU BREAK ANY OF THESE CONDITIONS AND THEY'RE BROUGHT BEFORE US, THE CONDITIONAL USE CAN BE PULLED.
I DON'T THINK, UM, MR. LIN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT.
OVER THE YEARS, HOW MANY WE'VE HAD DIFFICULTIES AND HAD TO PULL JUST FOR UM, NO, JUST A COUPLE WHERE WE'VE HAD TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT AND LARGELY THEY'VE BEEN ADDRESSED.
WE HAD THE ONE THAT MOVED FORWARD FOR TERMINATION.
UH, IT WAS SELECT, IT WAS UM, DECIDED BY THE BOARD NOT TO TERMINATE THAT THEY HAD ADDRESSED THE CONCERN.
UM, ONLY ONE I CAN THINK OF IMMEDIATELY.
AND THIS WAS BEFORE MY TIME WAS A, WAS A KENNEL THAT GOT REVOKED.
BUT OKAY, THERE IS A PROCESS IN PLACE FOR IT.
THERE IS A PROCESS AND IF THERE'S ISSUES WE WELCOME TO BE INFORMED OF THAT.
SO THERE I I WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU DID KNOW THERE IS A PROCESS FOR THAT MADAM CHAIR IF I CAN ADD, WE DO HAVE AN ONLINE FORUM ON OUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE WHERE THEY CAN SUBMIT ANONYMOUSLY A COMPLAINT OR THEY DON'T HAVE TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS IF THEY WANT.
BUT UM, WE ALSO ALWAYS ENCOURAGE THEM TO CALL THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS VERY GOOD ABOUT REACHING OUT TO US IF THEY HAVE HEARD ANY PROBLEMS. THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE AND RESCUE AND COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE EACH RECEIVE AN UPDATED SPREADSHEET OF OUR SHORT-TERM TOUR RENTALS EVERY SINGLE MONTH IF ANY NEW ONES HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
SO THERE IS COMMUNICATION BETWEEN DEPARTMENTS AS WELL.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSION FROM THE BOARD? I JUST JUST HAD A QUESTION.
NOT TRYING TO PUT STAFF ON THE SPOT, BUT ABOUT HOW MANY, UM, SHORT TERM RENTALS DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW? 202.
AND HOW HAS THAT BEEN GOING? 'CAUSE I THINK LIKE DR.
JAMESON SAID TOO, AND THEN TONIGHT WE HAD 6, 7, 8.
IT SEEMS LIKE, I THINK AT ONE POINT Y'ALL HAD A SEPARATE MEETING JUST FOR UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS, BUT HAS THAT SEEN ANY TYPE OF DRAMATIC DECLINE LATELY WE ARE SEEING A DECLINE IN APPLICATIONS AND THAT'S PROBABLY THE SAME.
I HAVE PUT TOGETHER A SHORT TERM TORTURE RENTAL STUDY THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO MR. HAW.
UM, AND I BELIEVE HE WILL BE SHARING THAT WITH YOU ALL SOON.
WE'RE JUST WAITING TO HEAR BACK FROM SOME PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IF THEY WANTED TO DISCUSS ANYTHING FURTHER.
UM, I HAVE HEARD BACK FROM TWO OF THEM THAT PROVIDED NO COMMENTARY OTHER THAN PROVIDING THE NUMBERS BY MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
UM, BUT I CAN GET WITH MR. HAW AND WE CAN GET THAT STUDY TO YOU GUYS ASAP.
UM, THAT SHOWS IT HAS A BREAKDOWN OF AS MUCH INFORMATION THAT I COULD POSSIBLY THINK OF, UM, FOR YOU ALL TO REVIEW.
SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE 202 ACTIVE AND APPROVED SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
YOU DID GOOD FOR BEING ON THE SPOT.
UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT JUST HERE WHERE THERE SEEMS TO BE A PROLIFERATION OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, WE GOT THE DRIVE AND THE RIVER AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND I DON'T KNOW, IS THAT HAVING, AND THERE AGAIN, MAYBE YOU CAN LOOK AT THAT TOO AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER TONIGHT, BUT I'VE HEARD FROM OTHER PEOPLE THAT THAT CAN HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE HOUSING MARKET AS FAR AS IF IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL AS A BUSINESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THAT'S ONE LESS HOME FOR SALE FOR LOCAL RESIDENTS, PEOPLE MOVING IN OR WHATEVER.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN GET BACK TO ME ON THAT IF YOU'D LIKE.
IF NOTHING ELSE, DO I HAVE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES OF CONDITION USE PERMIT 20 25 11 DASH THREE FOR
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SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.[E)4. CUP2025-11-04 - Contractor Storage Yard - 444 Baugh Drive - A request for a conditional use permit for a contractor storage yard for the property located at 444 Baugh Drive and identified on tax map 12G, section 2, block 1, as lot 10A. The subject property is zoned Industrial (I) and is located in the North River Magisterial District. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
CUP 25 DASH 11 DASH OH FOUR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD THAT'S AT 4 44 BALL DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 G SECTION TWO BLOCK ONE IS LOT 10.THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS ZONED INDUSTRIAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD FOR THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 4 4 4 BALL DRIVE.
THE INTENDED USE OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY INCLUDES BOTH INDOOR STORAGE WITHIN A PROPOSED 328,600 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE BUILDING IN TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD, TOTALING 21.76 ACRES.
THE INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT REGULATIONS UNDER WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 28 ALLOW FOR THE INDOOR STORAGE WAREHOUSING BY RIGHT WHILE YARD FOR STORAGE OF COAL LUMBER BUILDING MATERIALS OR CONTRACTORS EQUIPMENT IS PERMISSIBLE ONLY UPON ISSUANCE OF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THIS REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS FOR THE STORAGE OF ELECTRICAL HVAC POWER GENERATION EQUIPMENT AND EQUIPMENT NECESSARY FOR DATA CENTER CONSTRUCTION AND OUT IN OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS.
WHILE THE EQUIPMENT AWAITS INSTALLATION AT VARIOUS LOCATIONS THROUGHOUT THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A SUPPLEMENTAL CONS CONCEPTUAL LAYOUT PLAN WITH THIS APPLICATION SHOWING THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING LOCATION, STORAGE YARD LOCATIONS, POTENTIAL STORMWATER MANAGEMENT AREAS IN ASSOCIATED PARKING LOTS AND INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS.
A SITE PLAN COMPLIANT WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 64 WILL BE REQUIRED PRIOR TO DEVELOPMENT OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION UH, HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM AND MOVED IT FORWARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY APPLICABLE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, A SITE PLAN SHALL BE PREPARED AND APPROVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING DEPARTMENT PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A BUILDING PERMIT SHOWING THE BUILDINGS INGRESS, EGRESS BUILDING OR PARKING AREAS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, LANDSCAPING SCREENING, STORAGE AREAS, TRASH RECEPTACLES, SIGNAGE, AND OTHER APPLICABLE ZONING SITE REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER THREE, ALL MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT SERVICING THE BUILDING SHALL BE SCREENED FROM PUBLIC VIEW AND DESIGNED TO BE PERCEIVED AS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE BUILDING.
NUMBER FOUR, ALL LIGHT FIXTURES SHALL BE FULLY SHIELDED AND SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.2 REGARDING LIGHTING.
NUMBER FIVE, THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 49.1 REGARDING LANDSCAPING.
AND NUMBER SIX, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS SHALL BE SCREENED FROM VIEW OF BALL DRIVE WITH FENCING APPROVED BY COUNTY STAFF.
SUCH FENCING SHALL BE A MINIMUM OF SIX FEET IN HEIGHT AND MAY CONSIST OF CHAIN LINK WITH OPAQUE FABRIC COVERING SLATS OR SIMILAR ELEMENTS TO ACHIEVE VISUAL SCREENING.
OUTDOOR STORAGE AREA SHALL ALSO COMPLY WITH THE APPLICABLE SCREENING AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 180 DASH 18.
UH, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE THIS EVENING AND THEY HAVE A SHORT PRESENTATION THEY'D LIKE TO GIVE YOU THE PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW OPEN.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FROM THE BOARD? IS THERE A PR IS THERE A PROPER STATEMENT? SO THIS IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, THERE THE NEXT ITEM IS THE REZONING AND THAT IT DOES HAVE A VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT, BUT WE'LL GET INTO THAT
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M FROM ROCK JACKSON AND I AM, UM, THE LAND USE ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THIS CASE.
I HAVE WITH ME MR. JOHN MASON, UM, FROM FELD DEVELOPMENT AND MALACHI MILLS AND OUR ENGINEER FROM RK.
AND K IF I COULD GET YOU TO SPEAK A LITTLE CLOSER? SURE, YEAH.
IS THAT BETTER? OKAY, THANK YOU.
UM, I WILL FIRST, IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, UM, ASK MR. MASON TO COME UP AND JUST GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INTRODUCTION INTO, UM, THE APPLICANT ITSELF.
UH, MADAM CHAIRPERSON, UH, SUPERVISORS.
THANKS FOR ALLOWING US TO SPEAK TONIGHT.
UH, I'M WITH LAGERFELD DEVELOPMENT.
WE ARE A THIRD GENERATION FAMILY DEVELOPMENT ACQUISITION COMPANY HEADQUARTERED IN VIRGINIA.
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MOST OF OUR ACTIVITY RECENTLY HAS BEEN IN THE RICHMOND AREA, BUT WE HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT THE SOUTHEAST IN A VARIETY OF MARKETS AND STATES, UH, THIS PARTICULAR SITE AND THE REQUEST FOR THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS, UH, RELATIVE TO WHAT TRENDS WE'RE SEEING IN THE MARKET, UM, AND REALLY BEING ABLE TO BE NIMBLE AND READY.UM, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF USERS OUT IN THE MARKET THROUGHOUT VIRGINIA, UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, SUCCESSFUL PORT.
AS YOU KNOW, THE INLAND PORT IS ADJACENT TO THIS SITE.
UM, AND WE'RE JUST LOOKING TO BE PREPARED TO BUILD THE BEST, UM, FLY TRAP, IF YOU WILL, TO ATTRACT A GOOD INDUSTRIAL USER.
UH, I KNOW THERE'S MENTION HERE OF DATA CENTER CONSTRUCTION FOLKS THAT HAPPENS TO BE A TREND WE'RE SEEING, BUT IT'S NOT LIMITED TO THAT.
IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF INDUSTRIES WHERE THEY NEED TO STORE EQUIPMENT BOTH INSIDE THE WAREHOUSE BUILDING WE CONSTRUCT, BUT ALSO, UM, OUTSIDE AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO NAVIGATE HEAVY MACHINERY AND TRUCKS AND EQUIPMENT IN THAT YARD.
UM, WE HAVE DONE THIS BEFORE AND WE UH, WE PLAN TO MEET ALL OF THE GUIDELINES AND AND CODES AS MR. LENS, UM, OUTLINED.
AND WE ARE HERE FOR ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY ORIENT YOU TO THE SITE.
SO IT IS ALONG, UH, BALL DRIVE.
IT'S ABOUT FIVE MILES NORTH OF HERE IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, TO THE, UH, WE THINK THAT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE USE FOR THIS SITE BECAUSE AS I WILL, I WILL SHOW YOU TO THE NORTHWEST.
WE'VE GOT CISCO NORTHEAST REDISTRIBUTION.
IT'S A FOOD DISTRIBUTION CENTER, IT'S INDUSTRIAL, UM, TO THE NORTHEAST.
WE'VE GOT THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, TO THE SOUTH AND SOUTHWEST.
WE'VE GOT TORY PLASTICS, WHICH IS A PLASTIC FABRICATION COMPANY.
AND THEN TO THE SOUTHEAST YOU NOTICE THAT IT, UM, IT IS ON THE NORFOLK AND WESTERN RAILWAY.
IT'S KIND OF ANOTHER IMAGE OF THE STATE.
UM, IF YOU COULD, UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE WITH HEARING ISSUES.
YOUR VOICE IS KIND LOW, SO YOU'RE, IF YOU COULD SPEAK UP AND STAY CLOSE, APPRECIATE IT'D PULL A LITTLE CLOSER TO YOU IF YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE.
UM, SO JUST A FEW UH, POINTS ABOUT THE PROJECT ITSELF.
UM, IT'S COMPLIANT WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UM, WHICH IDENTIFIES THIS AREA FOR INDUSTRIAL LAND USES.
UM, IT'S, IT SITS ON APPROXIMATELY 71.7 ACRES ZONED INDUSTRIAL ALREADY.
UM, AS MR. LINS WAS SAYING, AN INDOOR STORAGE OR WAREHOUSE IS PERMITTED BY WRIGHT.
UM, AND WE ARE SEEKING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A, AN OUTDOOR STORAGE YARD.
UM, THE INTENDED USE IS, UM, ONE INDOOR STORAGE WAREHOUSE THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 328 UM, THOUSAND SQUARE FEET AND THEN, UH, 42.5 UM, IN HEIGHT, WHICH IS, WHICH IS FINE UNDER THE WARREN COUNTY ORDINANCE IN THIS PARTICULAR AREA.
AND THEN TWO OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS.
UM, AND LIKE MR. MASON WAS SAYING, IT COULD BE THE STORAGE OF ANYTHING HAVING TO DO WITH A CONTRACTOR'S, UM, EQUIPMENT.
IT COULD BE ELECTRICAL, HVAC POWER GENERATION, OR ANY OTHER TYPE OF BUILDING MATERIALS.
UM, THAT'S JUST A WEIGHTING INSTALLATION AT VARIOUS PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THE MID-ATLANTIC REGION.
UM, VERY MINIMAL TRAFFIC IMPACT.
THERE'S ONLY ESTIMATED TO BE ABOUT 30 EMPLOYEES.
UM, AND ALSO VERY MINIMAL TRUCK IMPACT.
UM, ADDITIONAL FEATURES THAT WE'D LIKE TO UM, SHARE, WE SECURITY FENCING, GATED ACCESS SCREENING AND LANDSCAPING.
I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF SLIDES FROM OTHER LING FELD PROJECTS THAT WILL ILLUSTRATE THAT.
AND THEN ALSO, LIKE MR. LINS WAS SAYING, WE WE RECEIVED UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION FOR APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION LAST MONTH.
THIS IS OUR CONCEPTUAL PLAN, ONE IMAGE OF IT, SECOND IMAGE OF IT, BUT THIS IS THE BEST ONE.
UM, THAT SHOWS YOU THAT THE WAREHOUSE WILL BE A LONG BALL DRIVE AND THEN THE OUTDOOR STORAGE YARDS, UM, TUCKED IN BEHIND IT.
I WON'T GO THROUGH THESE AGAIN.
UM, BUT THESE ARE THE RECOMMENDED CON CONDITIONS THAT STAFF RECOMMENDED FOR THIS PROJECT AND, YOU KNOW, WE'RE READY, WILLING, AND ABLE TO FOLLOW ALL OF THEM.
UM, AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST, JUST SOME IMAGES FROM OTHER PROJECTS.
THIS IS A LANDSCAPING IMAGE SO WE WOULD PROBABLY DO SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THIS AND THE FENCING, UM, IMAGE AS WELL.
AND THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR YOU THIS EVENING.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? QUESTIONS? I DO NOW I HAVE TO TURN MY OKAY.
UM, SO Y'ALL ARE KIND OF DEVELOPING THE PROPERTY AND I DON'T KNOW WHO EXACTLY OR WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY CURRENTLY? UM, FOUR.
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CORRECT.HAVE THEY HAD IT FOR A WHILE? UM, THEY HAVE HAD IT FOR A BIT.
UM, I THINK MR. MASON CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
WE ARE ACTUALLY, UM, UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE THIS FROM TORAY PLASTICS, THE ADJACENT BUSINESS.
UM, AND WE ARE BUILDING THIS AT LEAST THE FIRST BUILDING ON A SPEC BASIS.
SO WHAT WE'RE WILLING TO DO IS WE'RE GONNA TAKE A RISK AND BUILD IT WITHOUT A TENANT OR USER IN MIND.
UM, BASED ON THE, UH, DEMAND CYCLES THAT WE'RE SEEING THROUGH.
AND THERE'S SOME OF YOUR S SCHEMATICS OR WHATEVER SHOW NUMEROUS BUILDINGS OR WHATEVER.
SO I GUESS YOU COULD, BUT THIS WOULD BE ALL FOR A, UM, CONTRACTOR STORAGE THE WHOLE PARCEL? YES SIR.
SO WE ARE PLANNING TO BUILD THAT FIRST BUILDING ON A SPEC BASIS.
IT'S UH, 36 FOOT CLEAR HEIGHT.
IT'S ABOUT 42 AND A HALF FEET TALL.
AND THEN HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO OUTDOOR STORAGE ON THE BACK TWO LOTS.
WHAT WE'VE FOUND IS A LOT OF THESE USERS, THEY COULD BE INTERNATIONAL COMPANIES FORTUNE 500, BUT THEY'RE COMING INTO MARKETS AND THEY DON'T HAVE AMPLE TIME.
THEY'RE LOOKING FOR THAT AMOUNT OF SQUARE FOOTAGE IN 90 DAYS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'VE BEEN TAKING THE RISK LATELY ON BUILDING THESE THINGS.
I'M SURE IT'S IN THERE SOMEWHERE.
WHAT'S THE ESTIMATED, UH, COST OR, UH, TAX ASSESSMENT? SO I'M NOT GOING TO BE AS QUICK AS THE PLANNER WE HEARD, BUT WE ARE BUILDING THESE FOR ROUGHLY $135 A FOOT.
40 SOME MILLION DOLLARS FOR THE BUILDING.
AND THEN I THINK IT'S ANOTHER 17 MILLION IF WE FULLY BUILD OUT THE, UH, OUTDOOR STORAGE AREAS.
'CAUSE THERE'S A LOT OF COMPACTION AND UTILITIES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
I'M JUST LOOKING AT POTENTIAL TAX REVENUE FOR ONE THING, SIR.
AND I THINK W WAREHOUSES DO PROVIDE THE, UH, REVENUE AND AS YOU MENTIONED, IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY PROVIDE THE JOBS, BUT THERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, WE NEED THE REVENUE.
BUT, UM, THE OTHER THING TOO IS, AND JUST ALL I THOUGHT OR WHATEVER, BUT I NOTICED THAT ONE PARCEL OUTDOOR STORAGE TWO YES, SIR.
I MEAN, WITH RAIL ACCESS, THAT'S KIND OF AN IMPORTANT THING TOO.
ARE YOU EXPECTING A LOT OF THINGS COMING IN ON RAIL OR BABY TRUCKS? WE ARE NOT, WE DO NOT HAVE A, A RAIL SPUR.
WE HAVEN'T CONTEMPLATED GOING FOR A RAIL SPUR, BUT THAT IS SOMETHING WE WOULD LOOK INTO BECAUSE RAIL HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE IMPORTANT.
AND I GUESS THAT'S IT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IS SPUR COMES OFF THE MAIN TRACK TO SERVICE THAT PARTICULAR ENGINE.
AND YOU'D HAVE TO PUT THAT IN, WHICH MEAN ADDITIONAL COST, BUT YOU ALSO MAY ABLE TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDS.
SO WOULD THAT BE, SO SO THE PEOPLE THAT OWN IT NOW, THEY WOULD CONTINUE TO OWN IT.
THEY WOULDN'T NECESSARILY SELL THIS PARCEL, THAT PARCEL OR WHATEVER? NO.
SO THIS IS 71 ACRES OF A MUCH LARGER PARCEL THAT THEY OWN.
AND THEY HAVE A MASSIVE OPERATION ON PART OF IT.
UM, THEY WERE JUST WILLING TO, WE KNOCKED AND THAT THEY ANSWERED.
APPRECIATE YOUR ANSWERS AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THE QUESTIONS.
I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, NOT KNOWING WHO YOUR END USER IS, UM, I, I WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT IS STORED THERE IS ENVIRONMENTALLY SAFE FOR THE THE COMMUNITY.
UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW, YOU KNOW, WHEN I'VE LOOKED AT THE LIST OF THINGS LISTED, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT PARTS YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHEN IT'S, IT'S SPECIFIED LIKE FOR, UH, DATA CENTER, UM, PARTS OR WHATEVER.
SO, SO, SO THAT WOULD PRIMARILY BE ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
UM, AND THIS SETUP IS, IS ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT INDOOR AND OUTDOOR OPTIONS, UM, TO STORE SOME EQUIPMENT THAT'S MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE STORED INDOORS IN TERMS OF THE TEMPERATURE CONTROL AND EVERYTHING.
AND THEN OTHER EQUIPMENT THAT CAN BE STORED OUTDOORS, UM, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT PRICE POINT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHAT PRIMARILY DATA CENTER EQUIPMENT COULD BE, IS MOSTLY JUST ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? ALL RIGHT.
SO AT THIS POINT MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? I DON'T KNOW WHO HAD THEIR HAND UP.
MY CONCERN, OH, KATHLEEN MANCINI SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
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UM, MY CONCERN WOULD BE THE ROAD, UM, THE ROADWAY IN AND OUT.UM, IT'S CAN ALREADY BE, UM, FAIRLY HEAVY TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD.
AND IF THERE'S GOING TO BE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLE, HEAVY CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES THAT ARE STORED THERE, UM, ON A, A ROAD WITH HEAVY, UH, PASSENGER TRAFFIC, UM, I, I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT.
SO THERE MIGHT BE SOME KINDS OF LIMITS YOU MIGHT WANNA PUT ON SIZE OF CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES OR, UM, YOU KNOW, ANYTHING THAT WILL BE USING THE ROAD IN AND OUT THAT COULD BE A PROBLEM FOR PEOPLE DRIVING PAST THERE.
AGAIN, THE, THE ROADWAY, THE INFRASTRUCTURE.
HELLO, MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, MY CONCERN WAS, UH, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS HE BROUGHT UP WAS MENTIONING DATA CENTERS.
UH, AND I'M NOT TOO CLEAR ON HIS RESPONSE WHEN YOU ASKED HIM ABOUT WHAT THE, WHAT THAT WAS ABOUT WITH UH, OUTDOOR ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT.
UM, BUT WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE, THE ROAD AS WELL, I WAS THINKING ABOUT, UM, SEMIS COMING IN THERE WITH EQUIPMENT.
IT LOOKED LIKE SOME SHARP TURNS.
I'M SURE THEY'VE ALREADY WORKED THAT OUT AND IT'S PROBABLY NORMAL.
UM, BUT WHAT I WAS SEEING IS A POTENTIAL LIKE OVERFLOW SITE FOR THE RAIL LINE OR SOMETHING TO JUST BRING A LOT OF, UH, TRAILERS IN, PARK 'EM WHEN THEY THEY NEED THEM AND THAT WOULD BRING ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC THAT WAS UNEXPECTED.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND CALL? ANYONE ELSE? YOU MEAN JUST SHARE SOME TRAFFIC PAPERS? OH, I'LL GIVE YOU A CHANCE AFTER EVERYONE.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
AND IF YOU WANT TO DO A, UM, REBUTTAL TO THE QUESTIONS CONCERNS.
GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I MAY, MY NAME'S MALACHI MILLS.
I REPRESENT THE APPLICANT AND WE'VE BEEN, UH, PUTTING TOGETHER THE, ALL THE MASTER PLANNING AND WHATNOT.
WE'VE HAD PRELIMINARY, UM, DISCUSSIONS WITH EO, UH, LOCAL, UH, DISTRICT FOLK, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT BECAUSE OF THE TRUCKS THAT ARE LIKELY TO COMING AND GOING, UM, WE'RE GONNA LIKELY, YOU KNOW, NEED TURN LANE WARRANTS AND PROBABLY PROVIDE RIGHT TURNS.
UM, THE, THE PARTICULAR POSITIONING AND, AND HOW BALL DRIVE IS, THERE'S A FAIRLY STEEP GRADE AND, UM, IN THAT CURVE WHERE THERE IS A CONCERN ABOUT SITE DISTANCE AND ALL, AND SAFETY.
UM, BUT WITH BACKGROUND TRAFFIC AND THE WAREHOUSE AND THE USE, IT IS A, A LOWER TRIP GENERATOR.
UM, AND ON THIS INDUSTRIAL ROAD, THERE'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY A THREE LANE SECTION WITH, UH, INTERNAL, UH, LEFT TURNS.
SO WE, WE HAVE FURTHER STUDIES TO DO, BUT RIGHT NOW WE, WE FEEL THAT IT'S A SAFE, SAFE CONDITION AND THAT, UH, AS NECESSARY WE WILL PROVIDE THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT TURN LANES, BUT IT'LL ALL HAVE TO BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED, UH, WITH VDOT TO MAKE SURE IT'S OPERATING SAFELY.
SO IF THERE'S ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THAT, I CAN ANSWER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD ON THAT.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION IS NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2025 DASH 11 DASH ZERO FOUR FOR CONTRACTOR STORAGE YARD WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[E)5. CUP2025-11-05 - Short-term Tourist Rental - 347 Riley Court - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 347 Riley Court and is identified on tax map 15E, section 4, block 4, as lot 58. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planner ]
CUP 2025 DASH 11 DASH OH FIVE.SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 3 47 RALEIGH COURT IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 E SECTION FOUR BLOCK FOUR, LOT 58 AND THE PROPERTY IS ZONE RESIDENTIAL ONE AND LOCATED IN THE ODOR MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
LAST SHORT-TERM TAURIST RENTAL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TAURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY
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RECENTLY BUILT.THE APPLICANTS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL FOR PEOPLE SEEKING QUIET AND RESTFUL ESCAPE WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND WHEN NOT IN USE FOR THEIR OWN RESPITE, MR. YOUNG WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 30 MILES AWAY FROM THE DWELLING.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF SHENANDOAH FARMS, BUT NO COMMENTS HAVE BEEN RECEIVED AT THIS TIME.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, THE CLOSEST BEING 380 FEET TO THE NORTH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FORWARD THIS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL AND PLANNING.
STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THESE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND LAST, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATORS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING STAFF.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? THE COMMENTS ARE PRETTY OPEN.
ANY QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT? MR. HENDERSON? HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? YES SIR.
MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, I IMAGINE THIS ITEM WILL BE INCLUDED ON THE REPORT THAT WILL BE SENT TO YOU AND I WOULD HOPE THAT THAT REPORT IS AVAILABLE TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC AS WELL.
'CAUSE I AM VERY INTERESTED TO SEE WHAT THOSE NUMBERS ARE LIKE.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE.
THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR APPROVES THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
20 25 11 DASH FIVE FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[E)6. R2025-08-01 - Rezoning from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C) - Tax Map #12A--1-9---1B (8363 Winchester Road) - A request to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone tax map #12A--1-9---1B from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C). - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
NEXT IS R 2025 DASH OH EIGHT DASH OH ONE REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL TAX MAP 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE ONE B 83 63 WINCHESTER ROAD.UM, MR. LIN, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP AND REZONE 0.37 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 8 3 6 3 WINCHESTER ROAD AND IS IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 A SECTION ONE BLOCK NINE AS LOT ONE B PROPERTY IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
IN ADDITION TO LOT ONE B, THE APPLICANT ALSO OWNS 13 ADJACENT LOTS WHICH WERE PREVIOUSLY REZONED A COMMERCIAL IN 2006.
THE OWNER INTENDS TO CONSOLIDATE ALL OF THE LOTS INTO A SINGLE COMMERCIAL ZONE LOT, LOT.
ONCE THE ZONING DESIGNATION OF LOT B ONE B IS ALIGNED WITH THE ADJACENT LOTS, THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES TO PROVIDE SPACE FOR BY RIGHT RETAIL AND OR SERVICE BUSINESSES.
THE EXISTING SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WILL BE DEMOLISHED AS PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2025 WITH THE INTENT TO ALIGN THE PROFFERS WITH THE 2008 PROFFERS FROM THE 2006 REZONING APPLICABLE TO THE PREVIOUSLY REZONED ADJACENT PROPERTIES UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP.
STAFF SUGGESTED THIS APPROACH TO ALIGN THE CONDITIONAL ZONING REGULATION FOR THE PARCELS ONCE CONSOLIDATED INTO A SINGLE PARCEL.
THE SUBMITTED VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT INCLUDES A ONE TIME MONETARY CONTRIBUTION TO THE NORTH RIVER VOL VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT TO ASSIST IN THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUILDING
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MATERIALS SCREENING, LANDSCAPING REQUIREMENTS, CONFORMING WITH THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT REQUIREMENTS AND ADDITIONAL REQUIREMENTS RELATED TO TRANSPORTATION, UTILITIES, AND STORMWATER MANAGEMENT.THE PROPER STATEMENT ALSO INCLUDES A PROVISION REQUIRING THE LOT CONSOLIDATION WITH THE ADJACENT LOTS, DEMOLITION OF THE EXISTING DWELLING AND MA A MAXIMUM AVERAGE DAILY VEHICLE TRIP RATE OF 1,243 TRIPS PER DAY.
UH, LIMITATION AND A LISTING OF PERMISSIBLE LAND USES INCLUDING BUILDING SERVICE, ESTABLISHMENT, GENERAL RETAILING, WHOLE WHOLESALING, OFFICE SPACE, PERSONAL SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AND HOTEL.
THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND COMMENTS TO WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, UH, FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, AND RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE.
ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED RE REGARDING THIS REQUEST WERE INCLUDED IN THE MEETING.
PACKET PLANNING COMMISSION HELD THEIR PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM AND DID MOVE IT FORWARD WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
UH, THE APPLICANT'S, UH, LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR HIM.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED.
PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN OR ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT FROM THE BOARD? JUST CLARIFICATION TO ME.
I WAS TRYING TO SCROLL THROUGH THERE GETTING USED TO THIS STUFF, BUT THE ACCESS FOR THE PROPERTY TO BE OFF WHICH ROAD? NOT 5 22.
UH, OTHER MEANS AS FAR AS COMING OFF, WHATEVER THAT DON'T, THEY FRONT THE ROAD, IT GOES INTO SEE ROCKLAND ROAD.
I KNOW THE EXISTING DWELLING HAS A DRIVEWAY OFF OF ROCKLAND COURT.
I DON'T KNOW IF, UH, 'CAUSE IT IS LIKE A CUL-DE-SAC.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ENOUGH FRONTAGE FOR A COMMERCIAL ENTRANCE OFF OF IT.
UH, BUT IF THERE IS AND, AND THEY WERE ABLE TO MEET V DOT'S REQUIREMENTS, THAT MAY BE A POSSIBILITY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? IF NOT, WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH THE FIRM OF MODERN HILL PLC HERE IN TOWN.
I'M HERE REPRESENTING THE, UH, APPLICANT, CAIRA GROUP, LLC.
UH, I WON'T REHASH TOO MUCH OF WHAT MR. LEN HAS, UH, VERY ADMIRABLY RECITED TO YOU.
UH, JUST TO, TO HIGHLIGHT A, A COUPLE OF THE, UH, THE KEY FEATURES OF THIS APPLICATION.
UM, FIRST IS THAT THIS IS, UH, OF COURSE AS A REZONING REQUEST AS MR. LEN NOTED.
UH, THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THIS REZONING REQUEST IS SURROUNDED BY, UH, 13 OTHER PARCELS THAT ARE ALSO OWNED BY CA GROUP LLC.
THESE ARE ALL, UH, THE OTHER 13 ARE ALREADY ZONED COMMERCIAL.
ALL OF THESE PARCELS ARE FROM THE, UH, ARE UNDEVELOPED FROM THE OLD CEDARVILLE SUBDIVISION.
THAT WAS NEVER REALLY, UH, BROUGHT TO, UH, ANY FRUITION.
UH, MOST IF, IF YOU'RE CURIOUS ABOUT THE LAYOUT OF THE LAND, UM, IT'S, UH, MOST, UH, I THINK ACCURATELY SHOWN ON PAGE ONE 40 OF YOUR PACKET, WHICH, UH, AS MR. LENS NOTED, THERE WAS THE REZONING REQUEST AND AN APPLICATION SUBMITTED BACK IN, UH, 2000, BETWEEN 2006 AND 2008.
THERE'S A PLAT IN YOUR, IN YOUR PACKET THAT DATES FROM THAT TIMEFRAME.
THE OTHER 13 LOTS THAT MY CLIENT OWNS ARE THE ONES THAT ARE OUTLINED WITH THE BOLD LINE AND THE, THE PARCEL THAT'S MARKED AS KLEIN.
UH, THE PARCEL ONE B THERE, UH, TOWARD THE TOP CORNER OF THAT PLAT IS THE, UH, IS THE SUBJECT, UH, PROPERTY IN QUESTION FOR THIS REQUEST.
UH, AS THE STAFF REPORT NOTES, UM, MY CLIENT'S POSITION IS THAT THIS REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN FOR THE 3 45 22 CORRIDOR NORTH OF TOWN SINCE THAT AREA IS DESIGNATED FOR COMMERCIAL IN INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT.
AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE, UH, INSET ON PAGE 1 28 OF YOUR PACKET, IT'S A LITTLE COLORFUL INSET SHOWING THE, UM, SHOWING THE, THE ZONING, UH, LOOK OR THE ZONING CLASSES OF EACH OF THE PROPERTIES IN THIS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT AREA.
VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE LAND IN THAT AREA, AND ESPECIALLY VIRTUALLY ALL, VIRTUALLY ALL OF THE LAND ON THE EAST SIDE OF 3 45 22 IS ALREADY ZONED, UH, COMMERCIAL AND RES, OR SORRY, COMMERCIAL AND OR INDUSTRIAL.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE PROFFERS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, AS MR. LENS NOTED, UM, THESE PROFFERS WERE SUBMITTED WITH AN INTENT TO NOT MIRROR NECESSARILY, BUT AT LEAST ALIGN THE, UH, THE PROFFERS FOR THIS NEW PROJECT WITH THOSE THAT HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED IN TWO AND APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK IN 2008.
UH, ULTIMATELY, AS MR. LENS NOTED THAT THIS IS PHASE ONE OF THE PROJECT, THE NEXT PHASE WILL BE TO CONSOLIDATE THESE LOTS, CONSOLIDATE A SINGLE SET OF PROFFERS THAT ARE APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE.
AT THAT POINT, IT'LL BE 2.4 ACRES IN THE AGGREGATE, UH, PARCEL OF, OF ALL 14 OF THESE, UH, PARCELS THAT ARE AS CURRENTLY CONSTITUTED 14 PARCELS THAT ARE THEN PUT TOGETHER.
SO IN SOME, UH, WE, UH, BELIEVE THAT THIS REQUEST IS FULLY ALIGNED WITH THE COUNTY'S GOALS FOR THIS AREA AND WE RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT YOU APPROVE.
I'M AVAILABLE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
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OKAY.MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP AT THIS POINT? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I, I JUST TRYING TO ORIENT MYSELF A LITTLE BIT.
RIGHT ACROSS THE ROAD IS THE NORTH WARREN FIRE DEPARTMENT, CORRECT? CORRECT.
SO, UM, THIS PICTURE KIND OF CUTS OFF A LITTLE BIT OF THAT.
THE LAST LOOKS LIKE IT MAYBE SHOULD BE FOUR LOTS WHERE THERE'S A BIT OF A GAP AND THEN IT STARTS UP AGAIN.
ARE ALL THOSE HOUSES, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE WERE HOUSES ACROSS FROM THAT.
ARE THEY INCORPORATED IN THAT OR DOES IT STOP AT THE HOUSES THERE? MR. HILL MAY KNOW MORE, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE'S AT LEAST ONE HOUSE THAT'S LEFT THERE, UM, THAT'S ADJACENT TO THESE LOTS.
IF, IF, IF THE, UH, IF THE QUESTION IS WHETHER OR NOT ANY OF THE REST OF THE HOUSE, ANY OF THE REST OF THE PARCELS HAVE HOUSES ON THEM CURRENTLY, THE ANSWER IS NO.
OF, OF THIS PROJECT TO THE ANSWER IS NO.
UM, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, IF YOU LOOK AT, UM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT PAGE THIS IS.
1 28, UM, WHICH IS THE, THE COLORFUL MAP HERE.
THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S SHOWN HERE AS 2 51.
UM, IT'S NOT INCLUDED IN MY CLIENT.
THIS IS SEPARATELY PRIVATELY OWNED.
UH, BUT THAT'S NOT INCLUDED IN MY CLIENT'S PROPERTY.
UH, BUT IT IS, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY MOST DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE, FROM THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION FINDING THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND ITS GOOD ZONING PRACTICE? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD SUPERVISORS ACCEPTS THE PROFFERS DATED AUGUST 6TH, 2025 AND APPROVES THE REQUEST TO REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP.
CLASSIFICATION OF TAX MAP NUMBER 12 A DASH ONE DASH NINE DASH ONE B FROM RESIDENTIAL R ONE TO COMMERCIAL.
[E)7. Z2025-11-01 - Zoning Text Amendments for Rooster Exception to Backyard Chickens in the Residential-One (R-1) Zoning District - An ordinance to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend subsection 180-35.1B(2) of the supplementary regulations for backyard chickens to add an exception to allow for one rooster to be permitted on Residential-One (R-1) zoned lots one (1) acre or greater in size. - Chase Lenz, Zoning Administrator]
Z 2025 DASH 11 DASH ONE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT FOR ROOSTER EXCEPTION AND BACKYARD CHICKENS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.UM, THIS IS AN ORDINANCE TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SECTION 180 DASH 35.1 B TWO OF THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS AND AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW ONE ROOSTER TO BE PERMITTED ON THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONE LOTS, ONE ACRE OR GREATER INSIDE, UH, MR. LINZ ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR BACKYARD CHICKENS TO ADD AN EXCEPTION TO ALLOW FOR ONE ROOSTER TO BE PERMITTED ON A RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONED LOT OR CONTIGUOUS LOTS UNDER THE SAME OWNERSHIP PROVIDED SUCH LOT OR LOTS TOTAL, ONE ACRE OR GREATER IN SIZE.
THESE TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE BEING REQUESTED BY PLANNING STAFF AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FOLLOWING THEIR DISCUSSION OF THIS POTENTIAL CHANGE TO THE CURRENT TOTAL PROHIBITION OF ROOSTERS IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT AT THE OCTOBER 14TH WORK SESSION.
THE EXCEPTION INCLUDES A REQUIREMENT FOR THE ROOSTER TO BE KEPT IN A COOP BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 PM AND 7:00 AM AND THAT THE COOP BE INSULATED FOR SOUND.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 10TH, 2025.
UH, ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. KCI, SECONDED BY MR. BARNHART.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDED THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE BOARD WITH A RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL ON A VOTE OF OF FOUR TO NOTHING WITH ONE OF THE MEMBERS ABSTAINING.
UH, EACH PLANNING COMMISSIONER HAD CONCERNS REGARDING ALLOWING ROOSTERS IN THE R ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
WITH THE PROBABLE INCREASE IN ENFORCEMENT THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE WOULD GENERATE.
AMONG THE CONCERNS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSIONERS WERE THE FOLLOWING, UH, ROOSTERS WOULD GENERATE EXCESSIVE NOISE IN HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISIONS WITH THE ROOSTER IN THE FLOCK.
PROPAGATION WOULD GET OUT OF HAND WITH THE FLOCK DOUBLING EVERY 21 DAYS.
UH, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO TELL IF A CHICK IS A ROOSTER FOR SEVERAL WEEKS AND THE OWNER WOULD FREQUENTLY HAVE MULTIPLE ROOSTERS AS A RESULT.
THE SOUND INSULATION REQUIREMENT OFFERS NO STANDARDS AND ANY SOUND WOULD HARM THE FLOCK AND CAUSE ILLNESS.
UH, ANY SOUND INSULATION WOULD HARM THE FLAW CAN CAUSE I ILLNESS ROOSTERS BELONG ON FARMS AND FARMING.
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DOES NOT BELONG IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT, AND IT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO ALLOW FOR ROOSTERS WHILE, WHILE CONTINUING TO RESTRICT OTHER POULTRIES SUCH AS GUINEA FOWL, TURKEYS AND DUCKS, WHICH ARE LESS OF A NUISANCE TO NEIGHBORHOODS THAN ROOSTERS.THIS IS ALSO MENTIONED DURING THE DRAFTING OF THE ORDINANCE THAT ACREAGE, AN ACREAGE LIMIT IS INEFFECTIVE, SO CAN TO ADDRESS NOISE, UH, STRICTER SETBACKS WOULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE.
UM, IF YOU KNOW THE, THE COOP IS SET AT 25 FEET MEETING THE SETBACK IN PLACE, THEN IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE ACREAGE IS, IT'S STILL GONNA BE 25 FEET AWAY.
UH, AN EXCERPT FROM THE DECEMBER 10TH PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING MINUTES HAS BEEN INCLUDED WITH THIS ITEM IN THE AGENDA PACKET.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND I'M AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION AT THIS POINT FROM THE BOARD? IF NOT, MR. HENDERSON, WHO'S THE FIRST TO SIGN UP? FIRST UP IS LEWIS MOTEN.
I LIVE IN, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, I WANNA BEGIN BY ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IN THE PAST I RAISED CONCERNS ABOUT ALLOWING ROOSTERS IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS.
UM, THEY COME FROM DIRECT EXPERIENCE, NOT JUST THEORY.
I'VE GROWN UP WITH ROOSTERS, UH, WITH MY FAMILY.
I'VE CAUGHT ROOSTERS AND HENCE ABOUT 700 A NIGHT.
ABOUT 100 OF THOSE WERE ROOSTERS.
SO I, I UNDERSTAND BOTH SMALL SCALE AND LARGE SCALE ROOSTERS.
AND THEN I'VE ALSO HAD SOMEBODY IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD ABOUT 800 FEET AWAY, UH, GOING AGAINST THE ORDINANCE 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE ROOSTERS.
UM, BUT I WAS HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT I HAD THE SOLACE OF MY HOME, WHICH IS WHAT I SEE HERE IS BEING ABLE TO, UM, SOUNDPROOFING IS, IS THE BIG DEAL.
WHAT I DON'T SEE IS A WAY TO MEASURE THE SOUNDPROOFING.
I MEAN, I COULD PUT UP A PIECE OF PAPER AND SAY THAT'S SOUNDPROOFING.
UM, THE MOST LEGITIMATE THING I CAN THINK OF IS PUTTING IN THE ORDINANCE SAYING, HEY, IF I'M IN THE, THE CLOSEST HOUSE, ESPECIALLY SOMEBODY WHO'S COMPLAINING, AND I CAN HEAR THAT ROOSTER, THERE IS A PROBLEM.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT DECIBELS.
ANYBODY CAN GO AND LISTEN FOR A ROOSTER, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR STAFF.
IT BE EASIER TO, UM, CRACK DOWN ON SOMEBODY WHO HASN'T SOUNDPROOFED, UM, THEIR COOP PROPERLY.
I COULD PUT UP SOME FOAM INSULATION FOR A SPEAKER.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T HAVE AN EFFECT.
UM, SO I'D LIKE TO HAVE MORE CLARITY IN THE ORDINANCE, BUT I LIKE THAT YOU'RE MOVING FORWARD WITH SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.
YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE WHO DO WANT ROOSTERS, BUT YOU WANT, YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO DON'T WANT TO HEAR THE ROOSTERS AND IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE SLOWLY GETTING TO A POINT WHERE WE CAN BOTH AGREE ON SOMETHING.
ALRIGHT, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS CAROL PHILLIPS AND I LIVE IN THE HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT.
I'M HERE TONIGHT, NOT ONLY AS A RESIDENT, BUT I ALSO SERVE AS A VICE PRESIDENT OF THE, UM, HIGH KNOB OWNERS ASSOCIATION BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
AND WE REPRESENT 588 PROPERTY OWNERS.
I WANNA BE, FIRST, LET ME BE CLEAR, I'M NOT AGAINST ROOSTERS.
OKAY? I, THERE'S A PLACE FOR THEM, UM, OR AGRICULTURAL USES AND THERE'S ALSO A PLACE FOR THAT.
AND R ONE ZONING EXISTS TO PROTECT QUIET ENJOYMENT, PROPERTY VALUES, AND PREDICTABLE LAND USE.
WHEN I BOUGHT MY HOME IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD, I DID SO WITH REASONABLE EXPECTATIONS ABOUT NOISE AND ACTIVITY, OCCASIONAL LAWN EQUIPMENT, LOUD VEHICLES, DOGS, WE ALL EXPECT THOSE IN AN R ONE AREA, BUT THEY'RE TEMPORARY.
OKAY, ARCHITECTURAL, EXCUSE ME.
AGRICULTURAL ANIMALS AND NOISE ARE NOT SOMETHING RESIDENTS REASONABLY ANTICIPATE IN AN R ONE ZONE.
UNPREDICTABLE, CROWING BY ROOSTERS CANNOT BE CONTAINED BY LOT SIZE OR SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
THE ZONING AMENDMENT, I'M GONNA ECHO WHAT THIS GENTLEMAN JUST SAID SO I WON'T, I WON'T BEAT THIS UP TOO MUCH, IS WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF AN INSULATED COOP? THERE'S NO REGULATION.
THERE'S, IT'S UNENFORCEABLE THE WAY IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN.
UM, IT'S GONNA CREATE NEIGHBORHOOD DISPUTES AND PLACED AN UNREASONABLE BURDEN ON OUR COUNTY CODE ENFORCEMENTS WITHOUT PROPER STANDARDS.
WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO INSULATE A COOP? IF YOU HAVE AGRICULTURAL ZONING THAT CARRIES DIFFERENT EXPECTATIONS.
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IF A PROPERTY OWNER WANTS AGRICULTURAL USES, EXCUSE ME, LEMME CHANGE MY PAGE HERE.THE APPROPRIATE PATH IS PAR, UH, PARCEL SPECIFIC REZONING OR A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
RATHER THAN FORCING A CHANGE ON EVERY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE COUNTY, IF THE COUNTY ALLOWS ROOSTERS AND RESIDENTIAL ZONES, HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATIONS WILL BE FORCED TO PROHIBIT ROOSTERS THROUGH GOVERNING DOCUMENTS IN ORDER TO PRESERVE RESIDENTIAL STANDARDS.
CREATING A DIRECT, SORRY, I DON'T HAVE MY SPEECH MEMORIZED.
CONFLICT BETWEEN COUNTY AUTHORIZATION AND PRIVATE ENFORCEMENT RESIDENTS WILL UNDERSTANDABLY RELY ON COUNTY APPROVAL TO CHALLENGE ANY HOA RESTRICTIONS RESULTING IN INCREASED DISPUTES, LEGAL EXPOSURE, AND ENFORCEMENT COSTS BORN ENTIRELY BY THE HOMEOWNERS.
THIS AMENDMENT PROPOSED AMENDMENT SHIFTS REGULATORY AND FINANCIAL BURDENS AWAY FROM THE COUNTY AND ONTO VOLUNTEER RUN ASSOCIATIONS, CREATING CONFUSION RATHER THAN CLARITY AND RESIDENTIAL LAND USE REGULATIONS.
AS WE ALL KNOW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION REVIEWED THIS PROPOSAL AND RECOMMENDED DENIAL, NOTING THAT THOSE WHO WANT ROOSTERS TO PURCHASE PROPERTY WHERE THAT USE IS ALWAYS IS ALREADY PERMITTED.
UM, AND BEFORE I CLOSE, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY ONE THING ABOUT THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
AND I LIVE ON A ONE ACRE LOT AND MY LOT IS LONG AND NARROW.
THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR TO ME IS LESS THAN 75 FEET AWAY.
OKAY? THE SOUND IS GONNA CARRY WITHOUT ENFORCEABLE STANDARD ANYWAY, I DON'T RECOMMEND THAT WE APPROVE THIS.
I LIVE IN THE FOURTH DISTRICT.
UM, I'M HERE TO SPEAK REGARDING THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT ALLOWING ROOSTERS ON ONE ACRE OR GREATER.
UM, I WANNA BEGIN BY ADDRESSING ONE OF THE CON CENTRAL CONCERNS RAISED DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION DISCUSSION.
THE IDEA THAT ALLOWING A ROOSTER WOULD CAUSE FLOCKS TO RAPIDLY MULTIPLY OR DOUBLE EVERY 21 DAYS.
I'VE BEEN RAISING CHICKENS FOR THE LAST, FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS AND CURRENTLY KEEP A FLOCK OF AROUND 50 BIRDS, EIGHT OF THOSE CURRENTLY BEING ROOSTERS.
UM, I ALLOW MY HANDS TO GO BROODY IN ALL THAT TIME.
I'VE NEVER ONCE HAD MY FLOCK DOUBLE.
UM, THAT'S BECAUSE NATURAL SELECTION ABSOLUTELY OCCURS.
NOT ALL EGGS HATCH AND NOT ALL CHICKS SURVIVE.
UM, THAT CONCERN, WHILE UNDERSTANDABLE IN THEORY, DOES NOT REFLECT REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE AND SHOULD NOT BE THE BASIS FOR A ZONING DECISION.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT HAS NARROW, WAS NARROWLY WRITTEN.
IT APPLIED ONLY TO LOTS OF ONE ACRE OR GREATER LIMITED OWNERSHIP TO A SINGLE ROOSTER AND ATTEMPTED TO ADDRESS POTENTIAL NOISE IMPACTS THROUGH TIME OF DAY CONFINEMENT.
THIS WAS NOT BROAD EXPANSION OF AGRICULTURAL USE.
IT WAS A MODEST ADJUSTMENT TO AN ALLOWANCE THAT ALREADY EXISTS.
MUCH OF THE OPPOSITION FOCUSED ON HYPOTHETICAL OUTCOMES LIKE UNPREDIC, UNPREDICTABLE CROWING ENFORCEMENT CHALLENGES OR COMPARISONS TO OTHER ANIMALS.
THESE ARE HUSBANDRY AND NUISANCE ISSUES, NOT ZONING CONFLICTS, ZONING REGULATES LAND USE.
NOT EVERY POSSIBLE BEHAVIOR OF AN ANIMAL OWNERSHIP, EXISTING NOISE NUISANCE AND ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCES ALREADY EXIST TO ADDRESS LEGITIMATE ISSUES IF THEY ARISE.
THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENTARY SUGGESTING THAT THE RESIDENTS SEEKING THIS TYPE OF USE SHOULD PURCHASE AGRICULTURALLY ZONED LAND.
THAT POSITION IS INCONSISTENT WITH CURRENT COUNTY POLICY, IGNORES THE REALITY THAT MANY ACRE, MANY ACRE PLUS RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES IN WARREN COUNTY FUNCTION AS SEMI-RURAL BY NATURE.
IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO LOOK AT SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS.
PAGE COUNTY, SHENANDOAH COUNTY AND FREDERICK COUNTY ALL ALLOW ROOSTERS UNDER THE COUNTY, UM, REGULATIONS.
THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL ALSO ALLOWS ROOSTERS ON ONE ACRE LOTS AS, UH, OR GREATER.
AND IN FIVE YEARS HAS ONLY RECEIVED EIGHT COMPLAINTS AND ALL WERE RESOLVED AND EVERYONE WAS A ONE INSTANCE.
IT WAS NOT A MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS.
UM, THE CONCERNS ABOUT INSTALLATION STANDARDS ARE ENFORCEMENT 0.2, DRAFTING IMPROVEMENTS, NOT OUTRIGHT DENIAL TO COMPLETELY PROHIBIT, ESPECIALLY WHEN NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS HAVE DEMONSTRATED SUCCESS, CREATES INCONSISTENCY AND UNNECESSARILY RESTRICTS SMALL SCALE SELF-RELIANCE THAT ALIGNS WITH WARREN COUNTY'S RURAL CHARACTER.
ANOTHER CONCERN THAT I'VE HEARD BROUGHT UP IS HOA COMMUNITIES.
AS A REALTOR, I READ MANY HOA DOCUMENTS AND CAN SAY A MAJORITY STATE NO ROOSTERS.
WHEN THEY DO ALLOW CHICKENS, UM, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO RECONSIDER THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION AND EXPLORE A REVISION RATHER THAN DENIAL.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS KATHLEEN MANCINI SHENANDOAH DISTRICT? UM,
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I ALSO LIVE ON AN ACRE LOT THAT IS LONG AND NARROW AS ARE MOSTLY ALL OF THE LOTS ON THE STREET.THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE I LIVE, THERE ARE VERY LONG, NARROW LOTS, WHICH MEANS HOUSES ARE VERY CLOSE TOGETHER.
EVEN IF YOU HAVE AN ACRE, YOUR HOUSE IS BIT RIGHT NEXT TO THE OTHER HOUSE.
UM, I USED TO LIVE IN HEAVEN UP ON UP ON THE MOUNTAIN SURROUNDED BY NOTHING BUT TREES.
IT'S NOW SUBURBIA ON A MOUNTAIN AND HAVE ONE HOUSE NEXT TO ME THAT HAS BEEN AN AIRBNB AND STILL IS OCCASIONALLY AN UNPERMITTED.
MY NIGHTMARE IS TO HAVE AN AIRBNB ON ONE SIDE OF ME AND ROOSTERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ME.
AND I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD HAVE TO LIVE THAT WAY IN, IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
I THINK ONE ACRE IS NOT ENOUGH PROPERTY.
IT MAYBE YOU CAN MAKE IT TWO ACRES OR THREE ACRES, UM, THAT WOULD PROBABLY WORK.
BUT THESE ONE ACRE LOTS UP THERE THAT ARE LONG AND NARROW, IT MEANS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ROOSTERS RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEBODY ELSE'S HOUSE AND BETWEEN THE AIRBNBS AND THE ROOSTERS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE LIVABLE.
SORRY, THIS IS THE PETITION DETAILS ALONG WITH THE SIGNATURES AS WELL AS SOME INFORMATION, UM, FROM COMPLAINTS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS IN THE TOWN OF ALL RIGHT.
SO YEAH, TODAY I BROUGHT WITH ME THE PETITION DETAILS ALONG WITH THE 370 PLUS SIGNATURES WE HAVE.
UM, AND EIGHT MORE OVER THE PASS.
SO YEAH, I BROUGHT THE PETITION WITH ME TODAY ALONG WITH THE 370 PLUS SIGNATURES.
WE DID ALSO GET EIGHT OVER THE LAST HOUR, JUST FYI.
UM, SO I WANTED TO SAY THAT THIS PETITION HAS GAINED THE INTEREST, UM, AND SUPPORT FROM MANY WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS AND IT CONTINUES TO DO SO EVERY DAY.
UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY I NOTICED THAT DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, THEY WERE HUNG UP ON THE SPECIFICATIONS OF THE TERM INSULATED FOR SOUNDPROOFING COOP REQUIREMENTS.
I WOULD LIKE TO MENTION THAT INSULATION MATERIAL AND NOISE DAMPENING MATERIAL ARE OFTEN USED TO COMPLETE TWO DIFFERENT GOALS, ALTHOUGH PROPER INSULATION MATERIAL WOULD BE EFFECTIVE.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADDRESS THE COMMENT THAT WAS MADE BY MR. EYS, EXCUSE ME IF I'M WRONG, WHEN HE SAID INSULATION THAT WOULD DAMPEN THE SOUND, WOULD INHIBIT THE AIRFLOW IN A COOP AND WOULD CAUSE ILLNESS IN THE FLOCK.
THERE ARE MANY CHICKEN KEEPERS WHO DO USE INSULATION FOR A COOP, WHETHER IT BE FOR WINTER TEMPERATURES OR NOISE DAMPENING EFFECT, BUT I CAN ABSOLUTELY ASSURE YOU THAT THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE HEALTH OF A FLOCK IF PROPER VENTILATION IS IN PLACE.
I DO THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR THIS TO BE FURTHER DISCUSSED, UM, SO WE CAN REACH A PROPER UNDERSTANDING AND AGREEMENT ON HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, LABEL THAT.
UM, IT IS A BIT VAGUE AND I DO THINK IT WOULD BE IMPORTANT FOR BOTH PARTIES, THOSE WHO MAY SUPPORT OR OPPOSE TO AT LEAST COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH HOW WE WOULD LIKE TO DEFINE THAT.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE VERY IMPORTANT TO BE SPECIFIC.
UM, AND LASTLY, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT IF NOT ALL OF YOU ARE ABLE TO AGREE ON THIS TODAY, THAT I WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK, WE COULD, IF WE COULD AT LEAST SEND IT, SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, JUST FOR RECONSIDERATION AND SEE IF WE CAN COME TO, UH, AN AGREEMENT AND AT LEAST DISCUSS FURTHER.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? I I BELIEVE THE GENTLEMAN IN THE BACK IS THE FIRST OR THE OTHER GUY.
IF YOU ALL RACE THE FIRST ONE TO THE PODIUM AND TALK
I KNOW HE WAS THE FIRST EVER WHEN SHE, I COULDN'T TELL WHO YOU'RE POINTING TO.
UH, JIM BARNES, UH, SOUTH ROW DISTRICT.
UH, I'D LIKE TO ECHO SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE ALREADY, UH, THAT I WOULD, UH, RATHER SEE THIS, UH, UH, ORDINANCE AMENDMENT, UH, DENIED.
UM, I ALSO LIVE ON A, UH, ONE ACRE LOT, LIKE MANY
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OTHERS.MINE IS LONG AND NARROW, BUT I THINK THAT IS ALMOST BESIDE THE POINT BECAUSE I CAN ENVISION, EVEN IF I LIVED ON A SQUARE ACRE LOT, THAT'S STILL NOT VERY FAR.
I MEAN, AN ACRE IS NOT AS BIG AS SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK IT IS WHO LIVE ON A QUARTER ACRE OR SOME SMALLER LOT.
UH, THE SOUND OF A ROOSTER IS GONNA CARRY EVEN IF IT'S CENTERED ON A SQUARE ACRE LOT INTO THE NEXT, UH, INTO THE NEXT LOT.
UM, AND SO AT LEAST FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD AS THE, THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT IS WRITTEN, UM, I WOULD, UH, I WOULD RECOMMEND DENY ALL OF IT OR I WOULD NOT SUPPORT APPROVAL OF IT.
WHERE IT GOES, WHETHER IT GOES BACK FOR REWRITE OR RECONSIDERATION OR ANYTHING ELSE, I WOULD, I WOULD CONSIDER THAT AT THE TIME.
BUT FOR, FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD PREFER THAT YOU DENIED IT.
GOOD EVENING, BRENDAN CODY, HAPPY CREEK DISTRICT.
I'M GONNA TRY AND KEEP THIS SHORT AND SWEET.
UM, ROOSTERS ARE CURRENTLY PERMITTED ON AGRICULTURE ZONE PROPERTIES, UH, MANY OF WHICH HAVE BEEN SUBDIVIDED OVER TIME WHILE RETAINING THEIR AGRICULTURAL ZONING.
AS A RESULT, SOME OF THESE PARCELS ARE NOW SIMILAR IN SIZE TO THE RESIDENTIAL LOTS.
FOR EXAMPLE, QUITE A FEW NEIGHBORS OF OURS, ONLY A FEW HOUSES AWAY, RANGING FROM ONE TO THREE ACRES.
UM, I'M SORRY, I LOST MY PLACE.
UM, RESIDENTS LIVING ON MORE ACRES RESIDENTIAL ZONED LAND SHOULD NOT HAVE FEWER RIGHTS THAN SOMEONE IN SIMILARLY SIZED AGRICULTURE ZONE PROPERTY OR A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY IN TOWN, ESPECIALLY WHEN LAND SIZE AND RURAL CHARACTER ARE THE SAME.
PURCHASING FARMLAND OR PURSUING REZONING IS NOT A REALISTIC OPTION FOR MANY FAMILIES.
AND REZONING IS NOT ALWAYS APPROVED.
THIS AMENDMENT OFFERS FAIR AND PRACTICAL SOLUTION.
UM, RESIDENTS SHOULD HAVE THE FREEDOM TO MAINTAIN A TRADITIONAL RURAL LIFESTYLE, EVEN WITHIN RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
GIVEN THE RISING COST OF LAND AND THE INCREASING TAX BURDENS, MANY FAMILIES SIMPLY CAN'T AFFORD LARGE ACREAGE.
AS A RESULT, THEY'RE STARTING SMALL WITH THAT, WHAT IS FINANCIALLY FEASIBLE? AND FOR MOST THAT BEGINS WITH KEEPING CHICKENS.
UH, REGARDING MR. BARNHART, I BELIEVE, FORGIVE ME IF I'M WRONG, UM, HIS COMMENTS DURING THE LAST DISCUSSION WE HAD WITH THE, UM, PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'D LIKE TO STATE THAT ALLOWING LIMITED ROOSTER OWNERSHIP DOES NOT REQUIRE REOPENING REGULATIONS FOR ALL TYPES OF FOUL.
THIS AMENDMENT IS IN NARROW, IN SCOPE AND ADDRESSES SPECIFIC AND PRACTICAL NEEDS.
ROOSTERS SERVE A UNIQUE ROLE IN THE FLOCK PROTECTION AND MANAGEMENT, WHILE OTHER PROHIBITED BUR RAISE DIFFERENT CONCERNS, UH, RELATED TO SPACE BEHAVIOR AND OVERALL IMPACT ON NEIGHBORS.
APPROVING THIS CHANGE DOES NOT CREATE A REQUIREMENT TO APPROVE ALL OTHERS.
MS. SARAH, UH, SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
I JUST WANNA SPEAK IN FAVOR OF ROOSTERS.
I'VE NOTICED THAT ONE ROOSTER WITH A BUNCH OF HENS, HE'S VERY PROTECTIVE OF HIS, OF HIS HENS AND, UH, HELPS KEEP THE GROUP ALL TOGETHER AND THEY TEND TO JUST DO WELL.
AND, UM, I JUST HATE TO SEE SOCIETY DISSIPATE LIKE THIS.
YOU KNOW, ROOSTERS ARE BEAUTIFUL CREATURES AND I HOPE Y'ALL DO THE RIGHT THING.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS SARAH KERNS AND I LIVE IN THE FORK DISTRICT.
HISTORICALLY, WHEN DISASTER STRIKES, WHETHER IT'S FROM VIRAL EPIDEMICS OR LOOMING SNOWSTORMS, ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS THAT GOES IN THE GROCERY STORE ARE EGGS.
KNOWING THIS BIT OF INFORMATION, IT'S IMPORTANT TO PUT THE SCAFFOLDING IN PLACE IN OUR COMMUNITY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE TAKEN CARE OF.
NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS, SUPPORTING AGRICULTURAL ENTHUSIASTS, HOMESTEADERS AND BACKYARD CHICKEN FARMERS IS A PART OF THAT SCAFFOLDING.
DOZENS OF EGGS HAVE BEEN DONATED TO THE FREE FRIDGE AT ST.
DOZENS OF EGGS HAVE BEEN TURNED INTO DEVILED EGGS TO FEED THE ATHLETES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.
THESE HAVE BEEN DONATED BY THE HOMESTEADS.
ALLOWING ROOSTERS AND RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE MORE THAN ONE ACRE WILL ENSURE THE CONTINUATION OF THESE ACTS OF GOODWILL.
IT ALSO SETS UP THE NECESSARY INFRASTRUCTURE TO MAKE SURE OUR COMMUNITY HAS ACCESS TO LOCAL NUTRIENT-DENSE FOOD NO MATTER WHAT.
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ROOSTER REPRESENTS WISDOM AND STRENGTH BECAUSE IT INNATELY KNOWS HOW TO PROTECT ITS FLOCK AND TAKE CARE OF ITS OWN.I HOPE WHEN MAKING THE DEC THIS DECISION, YOU EMBODY THE WISDOM AND STRENGTH TO PROTECT YOUR OWN FLOCK, WHICH IS YOUR COMMUNITY.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? I'M OKAY.
I WAS TRYING TO THINK IF YOU'D ALREADY SPOKEN, BUT YOU'RE GOOD ALREADY SPEAK.
BUT THAT WAS, THIS IS A DIFFERENT THING.
YOU SPOKE IN THE COMP, WELL, I DON'T KNOW, SPEAK.
I, UH, DOMINIC RUBLE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
UM, I JUST, IT SEEMS THAT MOST OF THE, UM, CITIZENS AND NEIGHBORS CONCERNS ABOUT, ABOUT ROOSTERS SEEM TO HAVE TO DO WITH NOISE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT A SINGULAR ROOSTER IS NOT ANY LOUDER THAN A DOG OR LOUD MUSIC OR A LAWNMOWER OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
AND, YOU KNOW, UNLIKE AIRBNBS OR SHORT TERM RENTALS OR, OR JUST UNRULY NEIGHBORS THAT ARE ALLOWED AND OBNOXIOUS, UH, YOU KNOW, A ROOSTER, THEY, THEY HAVE A SCHEDULE.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T CROW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT.
YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT STARTS IN THE DAY AND ENDS WHEN THE DAY ENDS.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING KEPT UP AT NIGHT ALL NIGHT, YOU KNOW, BY A CROWING OF A ROOSTER.
AND IT'S THE SAME THING WITH THE CONCERNS ABOUT THE, THE GROWTH OF THE FLOCKS.
YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T, IT'S TOO LONG TO EXPLAIN IT, BUT THAT'S JUST NOT HOW IT WORKS.
A FLOCK IS NOT GONNA DOUBLE AND QUADRUPLE EXPONENTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE PRESENCE OF ONE ROOSTER.
THAT'S, I, I, I DON'T, I DON'T MEAN TO BE DISRESPECTFUL TO WHOEVER THOUGHT THAT, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S KIND OF ROOTED IN IGNORANCE.
UM, SO THAT'S ALL I HAVE TO SAY.
HI, THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
MY NAME'S DAVID FAADE AND I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH FARMS. I WOULD ECHO WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS SAYING PRETTY MUCH UP THERE.
A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T AFFORD TO GO TO A AGRICULTURAL AND THEN PURCHASE THAT.
AND THE OTHER THING I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, UH, POINT OUT ALSO IS THAT THE ISSUE WITH SOUND, WHAT'S WRONG WITH SOUNDPROOF? EVERYBODY, YOU, YOU COULD TELL THE DIFFERENCE.
AND TO THE BOARD'S POINT EARLIER, YOU WERE ARGUING DIFFERENCES BETWEEN SETBACKS AND THEN YOU GO TO YOUR NEIGHBOR.
SO THE LANGUAGE SOUNDPROOF TO ME IS JUST WONDERFUL LANGUAGE.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO OVERREGULATE AND COME UP WITH A CODE FOR A ROOSTER ENCLOSURE, BUT YOU CAN GO TO YOUR NEIGHBOR AND SAY, HEY, I'M HEARING THIS ROOSTER.
CAN WE DO SOMETHING? YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S PROCEED ON THAT BASIS.
SO I'M IN FAVOR OF THE MEASURE.
I'M ALSO UP IN SHENANDOAH FARMS. I'M NOT BIG ON SPEAKING, SO FIGURED I'D BEEN HERE THIS LONG.
MIGHT AS WELL SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE ROOSTERS AND I REALLY WISH THAT THEY DID WORK THAT THEY COULD JUST DOUBLE IN SIZE EVERY TIME.
UM, I'M SPEAKING IN THE UNIQUE POSITION OF BEING INVOLVED IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.
I WORK WITH A LOT OF HIGH SCHOOLERS.
UM, AND IF YOU PAY ANY ATTENTION TO WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE ARE SO MANY HIGH SCHOOLERS THAT ARE INVOLVED IN THE FFA SYSTEM.
LIKE WE HAD TO TALK ABOUT HIRING A NEW TEACHER JUST FOR IT.
SO THERE WAS AN OBVIOUS INTEREST IN IT.
UM, TO TELL A KID THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE OVER AN ACRE TO HAVE ANY SORT OF HOME EXPER EXPERIENCE WITH THIS IS JUST LIMITING THE ABILITY TO TAKE ON RESPONSIBILITY AT HOME.
UM, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HATCHING AN EGG AT HOME, JUST BEING ABLE TO GIVE A CHILD THAT RESPONSIBILITY AND THEN WATCH IT, RAISE IT UP AND, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY SLAUGHTER IT AT THE END.
ALL OF THAT IS JUST LETTING THEM GET A HANDS-ON EDUCATION THAT THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET AT SCHOOL, BUT THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN.
AND THAT COULD BE THEIR FUTURE POTENTIALLY.
AND SO I'M IN FAVOR OF ALLOWING ROOSTERS.
ANYONE ELSE? HI, I AM KEITH, UH, TRO FROM, UH, SHENANDOAH.
AND I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT I'M IN SUPPORT OF THE ROOSTERS ALSO.
UM, I ECHO THE FACT THAT I DON'T THINK THEY'RE ANY LOUDER THAN THE DOGS THAT BARK ALL NIGHT LONG THAT ARE BY ME.
YOU KNOW, I HAVE DOGS TOO, AND IT'S JUST PART OF BEING, YOU KNOW,
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OUT THIS WAY.AND, UM, THE ROOSTERS DO PROTECT THE FLOCKS AND, UM, I, I JUST, I THINK THAT WE'RE DOING INJUSTICE IF WE DON'T ALLOW IT TO HAPPEN.
ANYONE ELSE? SECOND CALL, THIRD AND FINAL I HEARING IS CLOSED.
I'M, I'M SITTING HERE JUST SCANNING OVER AND WHAT WAS THE NUMBER YOU SAID THAT'S SIGNED, UM, ON THAT PAPER? AS OF THIS MORNING IT SHOULD BE 3 78.
BUT NOT 378 WARREN COUNTY RESIDENCE.
AND I DID MEAN TO MENTION EARLIER THAT I, WHEN YOU SIGN THE PETITION, YOU'LL ADD YOUR EMAIL AND PHONE NUMBER AND IS I HIGHLIGHTED ON THE TOP OF THAT PAPER.
I LIVE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY, BUT FOR SOME REASON I REGISTERED MY PHONE NUMBER IS ERS TOWN, MARYLAND.
SO UNFORTUNATELY IT'S NOT GOING TO GIVE ACCURATE LOCATIONS, BUT I CAN SAY THAT THEY ARE ALL WARREN COUNTY RESIDES.
I'M A BIT CONFUSED ON THAT BECAUSE THERE'S EVEN A BARCELONA HERE.
SO I LOOKED THROUGH IT AND LIKE WHAT IN THE WORLD IS GOING ON? BUT I TALKED AND TEXTED MESSAGE PEOPLE AND LIKE I SAID, UNFORTUNATELY WHEREVER YOUR PHONE NUMBER WAS REGISTERED, I APOLOGIZE.
NO, IT'S JUST SOMETHING I WANTED TO NOTICE.
UM, ANY DISCUSSION, UM, DOES ANYBODY KNOW, UM, WHAT YOU CALL A ROOSTER THAT WAKES YOU UP EVERY MORNING AT THE SAME TIME? A WHAT? RELIABLE.
ANYWAY, BUT NO, I THAT I HAD THAT QUESTION TOO AS FAR AS THE OTHER ADDRESSES AND ALL.
UM, WHAT ABOUT, AND I KNOW YOU SAID THAT THERE'S LIKE, WHAT, FIVE COMPLAINTS IN THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL? UM, EIGHT COMPLAINTS OVER THE PAST FIVE YEARS.
AND MY QUESTION THERE IS HOW MANY ONE ACRE LOTS ARE THERE IN FARM OIL? DO YOU SEE WHAT I'M SAYING? I'M SAYING IF YOU HAVE EIGHT, I THINK YOU SAY EIGHT COMPLAINTS IN FIVE YEARS.
OKAY, SO THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE MANY, BUT IF YOU ONLY HAD, I KNOW THIS ISN'T THE EXACT, BUT IF YOU ONLY HAD 10 LOTS AND YOU HAD EIGHT COMPLAINTS, THAT COULD BE A BIG PROBLEM.
I WAS JUST, AND THERE'S A WHOLE LOT MORE OUT IN THE COUNTY.
THE OTHER THING TOO FOR MR. HAM, AND I THINK I KNOW COUNTY ORDINANCES SUPERSEDES OR OVERRIDES POA COVENANTS, CORRECT? YES, SIR.
WELL, I MEAN, IT COUNTY DOESN'T ENFORCE POA CORRECT ORDINANCES OR, UM, COVENANTS.
SO SUPERSEDES I SORT OF, THEY'RE THEY'RE NOT RELATED TO EACH OTHER.
SO IF IT'S A COUNTY ORDINANCE, IT GETS ENFORCED BY YOUR STAFF AND RIGHT.
ME, IF IT'S POA, IT'S PRIVATELY IN ENFORCED AND IF, AND, BUT I THINK LIKE THE, THE, THE LADY FROM
BUT IF IT'S COUNTYWIDE, IT, IT DOESN'T AFFECT WHAT YOU MIGHT WANNA DO.
PARDON ME? IT DOES NOT STOP YOU FROM DOING WHAT YOU, WHAT THE COUNTY WANTS TO WELL THAT'S I'M SAYING IS WE'RE DOING THAT.
AND I GUESS WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS, AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD SOME BEFORE, MAYBE NOT.
CAN YOU, WHAT'S THE WORD, FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD, CAN YOU, UM, PUT IN THE ORDINANCE THAT SAY HI NO IS EXEMPT FROM THE ORDINANCE AND IT RELIES BACK ON THEIR COVENANTS.
IT SEEMS LIKE WE HAD SOME LIKE THAT BEFORE IN THE BOOKS AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE ACTUAL SUBDIVISIONS.
'CAUSE A LOT OF THESE PLACES ARE GONNA BE IN SUBDIVISIONS PROBABLY.
I DON'T THINK YOU COULD DO THAT.
ALL OF THIS HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS TO IT.
SO, YOU KNOW, IF THE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE HEARD A LOT OF POLICY ARGUMENTS ABOUT NOISE ON THE ONE HAND AND FARMING ON THE OTHER, ET CETERA.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE YOU, ANYTHING YOU HAVE HAS GOTTA HAVE A, DUE FOR ANY OF YOUR LAWS HAS TO HAVE A RATIONAL BASIS.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHAT WOULD THE RATIONAL BASIS, WHAT WOULD THE LAND USE REASON BE FOR IN A ONE PARTICULAR SUBDIVISION TO NOT ALLOW IT, YOU KNOW, THAT IT, THE FACT THAT THERE MIGHT BE A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION DOESN'T WANT IT DOESN'T, DOES NOT RISE TO THAT LEVEL.
COULD YOU JUST ADD A SORT OF A, A GENERIC, UH, THIS, UM, THIS DOES NOT, UH, PROHIBIT OR PRECLUDE AN HOA OR A POA FROM HAVING ITS OWN COVENANTS AND RESTRICTIONS OVER AND ABOVE THE COUNTY'S REQUIREMENTS.
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YOU COULD DO THAT, BUT THAT'S UNNECESSARY.'CAUSE THAT'S ALWAYS THE WAY IT IS.
SO THAT'S, THAT IS THE CASE THAT THAT IS ALWAYS THE CASE.
SO THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP HIGH KNOB OR BLUE MOUNTAIN OR WHOMEVER, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE SOME SORT OF ASSOCIATION, UH, THAT CAN ISSUE BINDING REGULATIONS OR COVENANTS.
THERE'S NOTHING TO STOP THEM FROM HAVING THOSE.
AND THIS WOULD NOT DECLARE THOSE COVENANTS IF, IF THEY HAD A COVENANT THAT SAID NO ROOSTERS, THAT WOULD NOT OVERRIDE THAT.
OR, OR NULLIFY THAT, RIGHT? YES.
AND SO IT'S ALWAYS THE MATTER OF, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU BUY A HOUSE WHICH IS SUBJECT TO RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS, IT SAYS IN THE DEED WHAT POWERS YOU'RE GIVING OVER TO THAT OTHER BODY.
SO WHETHER OR NOT ANY GIVEN HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION WILL HAVE, HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO THAT, I DON'T KNOW.
UM, BUT IF THEY DID, THEN YES, THEY COULD.
SO THE FACT THAT IT WOULD BE LEGAL BY THE COUNTY DOESN'T STOP SOMEBODY ELSE FROM HAVING A, A RESTRICTED COVENANT THAT MIGHT SAY THAT, ASSUMING THAT THAT WAS IN EFFECT.
WE, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ENFORCE THAT COVENANT EVEN IF IT WAS CORRECT.
THEY'D HAVE TO GO THROUGH CIVIL COURT AND FORCE IT THEMSELVES.
WE WOULD PRIVATELY THE HOMEOWNER ASSOCIATION OR ONE OF THE AFFECTED HOMEOWNERS WOULD DO THAT.
WELL, IF JUST A THOUGHT THAT I'M HAVING TO, AND YOU CAN CLARIFY IF THIS WOULD FLY, UM, I, I LOOKED AT THE TOWNS, UM, AND IT'S CONFUSING WHAT THE TOWN DOES ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION, I WAS TOLD NO BREWSTERS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
AND THEN THEY SENT ME THE ORDINANCE AND IT'S VERY CONFUSING THE WAY IT IS.
UM, OR AT LEAST TO ME, AND I COULDN'T GET ANYBODY TO, TO CLARIFY IT FOR ME, BUT I THINK THEY HAVE TO GET A SPECIAL USE PERMIT.
COULD, INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ORDINANCE THAT WOULD PUT EVERYONE AT ODDS, COULD YOU GET A CONDITIONAL USE, HAVE TO GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT INSTEAD.
AND THEN THAT WOULD GET THE SAME BUY-IN FROM NEIGHBORS.
AND BEFORE SOMEONE HAD, UM, WENT OUT AND GOT A FLOCK OF, WELL, WE KNOW YOU CAN HAVE HENS, UM, GOT A ROOSTER AND STARTED HAVING A CONFLICT WITH NEIGHBORS AND THINGS ESCALATE, ESPECIALLY WHEN SOMEONE WORKS AT NIGHT AND TRIES TO SLEEP DURING THE DAY.
WE ALL KNOW WHEN YOU GET SLEEP DEPRIVED, YOUR AGGRESSION ESCALATES.
JUST TRYING TO THINK OF WHAT WE COULD DO SO THAT IF A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT WAS NEEDED, YOU'D GET THE BUY-IN OF THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE YOU DID THIS.
YOU, YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT IF YOU WANTED TO.
IF, IF THE BOARD HAS A MAJORITY THAT WANTS TO GO DOWN THAT ROAD, I, YOU SHOULD SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF AND ASK 'EM TO MM-HMM
ARE YOU, I WAS HAVING DIFFICULTY HEARING, BUT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT A CUP FOR HAVING ROOSTERS? IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? I IT'S JUST FLOATING IT AS AN IDEA.
NO, NO, I, NO, THAT'S WHY I JUST WANTED TO, BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, YOU HAVE 339 PEOPLE THAT SIGNED A PETITION, SO YOU MAY BE LOOKING AT 339 CU PS, WHICH YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE.
I DON'T THINK IT'S THE GREATEST IDEA.
I JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE I SAID, THOUGHT ABOUT IT, BUT THROWING AN IDEA OUT THERE BECAUSE, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I GOT, UM, SEVENTH GRADE SCIENCE CLASS.
I WON THE LOTTERY OF CHICKENS THAT WE HATCHED OUT IN OUR CLASS DECEMBER.
AND I KEPT A ROOSTER AND A HEN IN MY CLASS IN MY ROOM ALL WINTER LONG.
LET'S JUST SAY MY PARENTS WERE NOT THAT HAPPY ABOUT IT.
UM, SO I, I DO, AND I HAVE CHICKENS NOW.
UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A ROOSTER NOW BECAUSE FOX GOT THEM LAST SUMMER.
BUT, UM, SO I AM NOT AGAINST ROOSTERS.
I THINK THEY ARE A GREAT ADDITION, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT'S LIKE ANYTHING, YOU, YOU WOULDN'T WANNA HAVE A HORSE ON A ONE ACRE LOT IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA, UH, AS MUCH AS I LOVE HORSES TOO.
UM, SO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY AND, AND YOU'RE JUST NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO DO IT WITH THIS BECAUSE, UM, FOR 300 PEOPLE, YOU'VE GOT NEIGHBORS MAYBE ON BOTH SIDES OF YOU THAT WOULD ADD UP TO 600 THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE WANTING ROOSTERS NEXT TO THEM.
BUT, UM, I'M NOT AGAINST, I, I LOVE ANIMALS OF ALL KINDS.
UM, LAST TWO OR THREE NIGHTS, I'VE HAD A DOG PROBABLY WITHIN 200 YARDS THAT'S GOING ALL NIGHT, ALL NIGHT.
AND IN THE PAST, YOU KNOW, I'VE DONE, I'VE HAD TO CALL THE SHERIFF, UM,
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DEPARTMENT, AND THEY'VE COME AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS EXTREME, BUT, BUT, UM, THAT'S WHAT WAS NECESSARY AFTER PERSONALLY TRYING TO, UH, WEIGH ON THEM.YOU KNOW, THAT THIS IS NOT, NOT OKAY.
UM, SO I, I KIND OF HAVE THE IDEA THAT ESPECIALLY IF THEY COMBINE IT WITH, UH, THE FRONT ROYAL COMPLAINT RECORD, THAT THERE ARE ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCES THAT CAN DEAL WITH EXCESSIVE NOISE.
AND, UH, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, THEN THE ROOSTER HAS TO GO.
I MEAN, IT, IT'S JUST LIKE, IF THAT DOG IS GONNA GO ALL NIGHT LONG, UH, IT'S GOTTA GO OR IT'S GOTTA GO INSIDE.
UM, I DO THINK, AND I, AND I LIVE IN A POA AND THERE ARE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS AND IT'S A, IT'S NORMAL.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST, IT'S WHAT PEOPLE LIVE WITH AND, AND, UH, THEY ARE NOT THAT DIFFICULT TO ENFORCE AND PEOPLE HAVE TO BE GIVEN THOSE COVENANTS AND, UH, RESTRICTIONS BEFORE THEY BUY.
UM, SO PEOPLE KNOW, UM, WHAT THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE GETTING INTO.
UM, THERE'S AN ECONOMIC ASPECT TO IT.
I REALLY APPRECIATED THE, THE STUDENT FARMER AND THE STUDENT AGRICULTURAL ASPECT.
UM, I ALSO NOTED SOMEWHERE THAT IT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT HIGH DENSITY.
I DON'T, I LIVE ON ONE ACRE AND IN, IN A SUBDIVISION OF ONE ACRE, AND I DON'T, I DON'T CONSIDER IT TO BE HIGH DENSITY.
UM, UH, BUT THERE'S A FINANCIAL ASPECT HERE IN THIS WHOLE SELF-SUSTAINING ASPECT AND, AND PART OF A CULTURAL IDENTITY, UM, OF A RURAL COUNTY, WHICH I CONSIDER WARREN COUNTY TO BE.
UM, I DID GET A, A CONSTITUENT SHARE SOME ECONOMIC INFORMATION WITH ME.
AND IT'S AT FIRST SIGHT IS, IS KIND OF STUNNING.
I I, BUT I DID SOME DIVISIONS BY HOW MANY DAYS IN A WEEK AND WEEKS IN A YEAR AND ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF.
AND IT ACTUALLY COMES OUT TO KIND OF MAKE SENSE.
UH, ONE FAMILY OF SIX, IF THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE CHICKENS AND EGGS, UM, IS ABOUT $7,760 A YEAR.
UM, I HAD A FAMILY, I HAVE A FAMILY OF NINE AT ONE TIME.
AND, AND, UH, THAT'S EASY, EASY TO DO.
UM, 6,400 EGGS, THAT'S 17 A DAY.
UH, AT ONE TIME I HAD THREE BOYS, UH, EATING FOUR EGGS, THREE, FOUR EGGS A DAY.
UM, IF THEY'RE NOT EATING 'EM, WE CAN SELL 'EM.
AND WE DO BUY EGGS FROM, UM, WE BUY FARM EGGS.
SO, UH, IT'S AN AWESOME OPPORTUNITY, UH, THAT IS, YOU KNOW, FOR THAT FAMILY SAVING, WELL, WELL, IT COSTS SOMETHING TO DO IT.
WHEN YOU'RE HOMESTEADING, IT'S $2,400, THAT'S A $5,000 A YEAR, UH, ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THAT HOMESTEADING FAMILY.
I MEAN, IF SOMEBODY OFFERED YOU A $5,000 TAX CREDIT, YOU KNOW, YOU WOULD THINK, WOW, IT'S A BIG DEAL.
UM, SO I THINK THERE ARE A LOT OF FACTORS HERE.
I THINK THAT, UH, THE PROPAGATION THING, I MEAN, PEOPLE WITH EXPERIENCE THAT I KNOW WHO HAVE CHICKENS DON'T, DON'T CONFIRM THAT THE FLOCK'S GOING DOUBLE EVERY 21 DAYS.
IT JUST, THINGS AREN'T GOING WILD.
IT KIND OF ASSUMES THAT THE OWNERS CAN'T MANAGE THEIR OWN AFFAIRS.
UM, THERE IS THIS MATTER OR TWO OF THE, OF THIS, YOU KNOW, SHENANDOAH PAGE, FREDERICK TOWN FRONT, ALL THESE SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS MANAGE THIS AND, UH, SEEMS FINE.
AND, AND I THINK THAT NEIGHBORS THAT HAVE PROBLEMS PROBABLY WORK THINGS OUT.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S PROBABLY WHY THERE'S ONLY EIGHT COMPLAINTS IN FIVE YEARS WITHOUT ANY REPEATS.
UM, I WOULDN'T, I, I, I TAKE MR. CARTER'S, UH, POINT THERE ABOUT BEING FEW OR ONE ACRE LOTTS.
UM, BUT OVERALL, I THINK THIS IS A, YOU KNOW, I I IF IT'S, IF THERE'S SORT OF QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, WHAT INSULATION MEANS, YOU KNOW, IS IT ONE PERSON? APPARENTLY INSULATION GOT GOT INTERPRETED AS HEAT, UH, YOU KNOW, BLOCKING HEAT OR WHATEVER.
BUT, UM, SOUND INSULATION IS A, IS A KNOWN THING.
SO, UM, I THINK IF IT, IF THIS BOARD'S NOT WON'T ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO PASS THIS, UM, THEN I WOULD HOPE IT WOULD AT LEAST ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO TABLE IT.
UM, SO THAT SOME OF THESE DETAILED THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP CAN BE DISCUSSED FURTHER.
UM, BUT IT IS A, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER FOUL ARGUMENT, I'M NOT SURE I I REALLY GET THAT.
THERE'S ALREADY CHICKENS PERMITTED AND A ROOSTER IS JUST PART OF A, OF A FLOCK.
UM, AND I HAVE, I HAVE IN MY SUBDIVISION, THERE'S A, THERE, THERE'S A, A ROOSTER, UM, SOME, SOME, I GUESS MAYBE, I GUESS IN THIS CASE, MAYBE, UH, A HUNDRED YARDS.
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UM, NOT HERE, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT, UH, EVERYONE HAS DIFFERENT LIMITS OF TOLERANCE, I GUESS.AND MY, I USED TO LIVE, I USED TO LIVE ACROSS FROM RAILROAD TRACKS AND, UM, TRAIN, UM, YOU KNOW, MY WIFE GREW UP UNDER AN AIRPORT.
UM, SO THERE, THERE'S THIS, IF, IF I JUST ASK THAT WE, WE LOOK AT SORT OF THE, THE NATURE OF THE CHARACTER OF OUR COUNTY AND THE KIND OF, ESPECIALLY THE, UH, THE, THE POPULARITY OF AGRICULTURE AMONGST, UM, HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS.
IT'S JUST IS THERE NEED TO BE CONS CONSTRICTIVE? CAN WE BE A LITTLE BIT LESS RESTRICTIVE AND THEN DEAL WITH THE ANGS, LET S DEAL WITH THINGS OR USE, UH, AN EXISTING ANIMAL CONTROL ORDINANCES, UH, TO DEAL WITH PROBLEM SITUATIONS.
AND THERE AGAIN, YOU KNOW, UH, ENCOURAGE COVENANTS, UM, IN PLACES WHERE, WHERE, UM, THAT'S THE PREVAILING OPINION.
UM, IF I MAY, THE, UH, I DID, I I'VE GOT ABOUT EQUAL, UH, FROM PHONE CALLS AND, UH, TALKING TO CONSTITUENTS, IT'S A, IT'S ABOUT A 50 50 SPLIT, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, THE CONCERNS, THE NOISE OBVIOUSLY, UH, YOU KNOW, FLOCK BEING OUT OF CONTROL POPULATION WISE, I THINK THAT'S EASILY MANAGEABLE.
UM, I WILL INDICATE THAT, UH, THE HINT, YOU KNOW, THE BACKYARD CHICKEN, THE HENS ARE ALLOWED.
SO THERE IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR EGGS WITH OR WITHOUT A ROOSTER, EVEN THOUGH I KNOW THE ROOSTER, UH, DRASTICALLY ENHANCES THEIR PERFORMANCE.
UM, AND THEN YOU GO BACK TO THE EXPECTATION THING, UH, FROM THE DIFFERENT ZONINGS, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE IS SOME ONE ACRE LOTS IN THE ACT AND THEY WOULD BE ALLOWED THERE.
AND THEN THERE'S PROBABLY SOME TWO ACRE R ONE LOT SOMEWHERE, UH, YES.
OH, AND BIGGER THAT, UH, THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED.
BUT, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE SOME OF THAT IS THE EXPECTATION IN WHICH THE NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF ZONING THAT YOU BOUGHT, UH, I COULDN'T APPROVE THIS AS IS.
I WOULDN'T SUPPORT IT UNLESS WE COULD GET SOME, SOME KIND OF TEETH INTO CONTROLLING THAT NOISE IF YOU HAD A PROBLEM ANIMAL OR SOMETHING.
AND, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT, BUT, BUT I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, UH, A TABLE OR A DISCUSSION, UH, FOR THAT.
BUT, UH, AS IS, I WOULD, I WOULDN'T, I WOULD, UH, WHAT WE GOT IN FRONT OF US, I WOULD MOVE TO DENY, BUT I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO A, UH, SOME MORE, SOME MORE IDEAS TO, UH, IT IS JUST PURELY A NOISE IS WHAT I'M GETTING.
FROM, FROM THE PEOPLE THAT CALLED IT WERE OPPOSED.
SO THAT'S WHERE I'M AT WITH THAT.
FIRST OF ALL, I'VE, I'VE BEEN HELPING, UH, MS. CODY WITH THIS INITIATIVE FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AT LEAST TO GET IT BEFORE THE BOARD.
UM, NOT, NOT TRYING TO, UM, NOT, NOT TRYING TO, UH, HAVE A FOREGONE CONCLUSION EITHER WAY, BUT, UH, I DO SUPPORT THIS.
I DID SIGN THE PETITION FOR FULL DISCLOSURE, SO YOU CAN SUBTRACT ONE FROM THE COUNT
UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND HOW THE, THE LOCATIONS CAN BE WRONG.
UM, A LOT OF WEBSITES DO THINGS FROM GEOLOCATION AND YOUR ISP MIGHT HAVE THEIR HEADQUARTERS OR THE, THE NEXT HOP MIGHT BE TWO STATES OVER, OR IF IT'S BY CELL PHONE AND PEOPLE MOVE AND THEIR NUMBER GOES WITH THEM.
AND THOSE ARE LOTS OF REASONS.
SO I, I DON'T DOUBT THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THOSE NAMES ARE TRULY WORN COUNTY RESIDENTS AT PRESENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SAY WE DON'T WANT DATA CENTERS.
UM, WE SAY WE WANT TO PRESERVE WARREN.
WE SAY, UH, THAT WE ARE A RURAL AGRICULTURAL COUNTY AND, AND THAT WE CELEBRATE OUR SMALL TOWN CHARM.
UM, ROOSTERS ARE, ARE JUST PART AND PARCEL OF THAT.
IT'S, IT'S PART AND PARCEL OF NOT BOWING TO THE FAIRFAX IFICATION OF VIRGINIA.
UM, THIS IS NOT FAIRFAX, THIS IS NOT ARLINGTON.
WE ARE, WE ARE IN THE COUNTRY.
UM, AND, UH, WE SUPPORT FOUR H WE SUPPORT FUTURE FARMERS OF AMERICA.
I SUPPORT EVERYTHING THAT THAT TEACHER SAID ABOUT, UH, CHILDREN GROWING UP AND SEEING THE CIRCLE OF LIFE HANDS ON AND KNOWING WHERE THEIR FOOD COMES FROM AND, AND RAISING ANIMALS AND THE RESPONSIBILITY AND THE WORK ETHIC THAT IS INSTILLED THROUGH THAT PROCESS.
UH, IT'S MAGICAL AND IT'S AMAZING.
UM, AND, UH, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE ARGUMENTS THAT WERE RELATED THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, SOME OF THEM WERE MORE SERIOUS TO ME THAN OTHERS.
UH, O OBVIOUSLY THE FLOCKS AREN'T GONNA DOUBLE EVERY THREE WEEKS.
UH, YOU'RE LUCKY IF YOU CAN SUSTAIN YOUR FLOCK EVEN WITH HALF ROOSTERS, UH, WITH THE PREDATORS AND THE NATURAL SELECTION THAT WAS MENTIONED.
UM, AND, AND PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE EATING THESE EGGS.
THEY'RE NOT ALL GOING TO BE HATCHED.
UM, THE, UH, THE POINTS I THOUGHT WERE WELL MADE ABOUT FOOD SECURITY.
UM, I, I THINK PEOPLE DO NEED TO BE ABLE TO GROW THEIR OWN FOOD
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AND TO HAVE, UM, BASICALLY HAVE SOMETHING IN CASE OF A DISASTER WHERE THEY CAN KEEP PUTTING FOOD ON THE TABLE.IF, UH, WHAT IF WE HAVE A TWO WEEK POWER, POWER OUTAGE IN THAT THAT STORE IS, IS, UH, NOT THERE, NOT AVAILABLE.
UM, I ALSO DO BELIEVE IN LAND RIGHTS AND PROPERTY RIGHTS AND PEOPLE BEING ABLE TO DO WITHIN REASON WHAT THEY WANT ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND THIS IS, IS PART OF THAT, UM, MY HEART GOES OUT TO ONE OF THE, THE PEOPLE WHO'S GOT THE BAD SHORT-TERM RENTAL, UH, UNTIL THE SETBACKS WENT UP TO A HUNDRED FOOT.
UM, I'M SPEAKING TO YOU AND, AND ON THAT SIDE, AND I'VE, AND I'VE WENT TO BAT FOR YOU TO KEEP THAT SETBACK WHERE IT IS SO THAT RENTAL DOESN'T COME BACK.
BUT I, BUT I DO DISAGREE WITH YOU ON THE ROOSTER THING.
UH, I DO THINK THAT THIS CAN BE DONE THOUGH PROPERLY IN NEIGHBOR TALKING TO NEIGHBOR.
IF THERE'S, UH, IF THERE'S CONFLICTS IN NOT NECESSARILY HAVING TO HAVE US LEGISLATE SOME SUPER ENFORCEMENT STRUCTURE WITH ROOSTER CS AND ROOSTER POLICE AND, AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE ARE, ARE FUNDAMENTALLY ABLE TO HANDLE THIS FOR THE OVERWHELMINGLY MAJORITY OF, OF ANY, UH, PROBLEMS, HANDLE IT AT THE VERY, VERY LOCAL LEVEL OF NEIGHBOR TO NEIGHBOR.
AND OF COURSE, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, ANIMAL CONTROL OR THE SHERIFF OR CALLING PLANNING AND ZONING AND REGISTERING A COMPLAINT IF IT DOES BECOME AN ISSUE.
AND THOSE ARE MECHANISMS THAT DO WORK.
AND WE'VE SEEN THINGS, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT TONIGHT EARLIER, UH, THINGS THAT CAME THROUGH AND HAD PERMITS REVOKED, THINGS LIKE THAT.
I DO BELIEVE THAT HOAS, AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS WITH MR. HAM, HOAS RIGHTS ARE NOT OVERRIDDEN HERE.
THEY CAN CONTINUE TO REGULATE ROOSTERS WITHIN THEIR OWN, UH, WITHIN THEIR OWN BOUNDARIES.
SO THIS DOES NOT TAKE THAT AWAY.
SO, OH, AND THEN THE, THE INSULATION THING, HEARING THE PLANNING COMMISSION GET HUNG UP ON, ON ROOFERS GETTING OVERHEATED AND SUFFOCATING.
UH, THERE'S A DISTINCTION BETWEEN CONSTRUCTION INSULATION FOR TEMPERATURE AND, UH, SOUND DAMPENING MATERIALS LIKE YOU WOULD FIND IT IN MUSIC STUDIO, LIKE, UH, THAT EGG CRATE FOAM OR, OR THINGS OF THAT SORT.
UH, THERE'S WAS TO DO WITH BAFFLES AND, AND OTHER THINGS.
AND, UH, FRANKLY, THIS IS GONNA SOUND, UM, INSENSITIVE, BUT YOU DO GET USED TO IT.
I'VE, YOU KNOW, WHEN I MOVED TO WHERE I LIVE NOW, THE TRAIN WAS SUDDENLY SOMETHING THAT WOKE ME UP THE FIRST FEW NIGHTS AND, AND THEN IT DIDN'T, IT, IT, IT BOTHERED ME UNTIL, UNTIL MY BODY JUST REALIZED THAT THAT'S JUST A NORMAL ENVIRONMENTAL SOUND.
UM, AND I'VE HAD ROOSTERS OUT MY WINDOW TOO, AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED.
YOU, YOU DO GET USED TO IT, BUT THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T CROW ALL NIGHT.
THEY WILL CROW IF THERE'S A FOX COMING.
THAT'S PUTS THE HANDS ON ALERT, UH, UM, IT SOMETIMES NOTIFIES THE OWNER.
UM, IT, IT, THIS IS JUST NOT AS BIG A PROBLEM.
AND I, I THINK NOT EVERY ONE ACRE LOT IS GOING TO HAVE A ROOSTER ALSO.
I MEAN, THE TYPE OF PEOPLE WHO RAISE CHICKENS ARE, ARE ALSO A RARE BREED.
UM, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ROOSTERS ON EVERY CORNER TAP DANCING OR, UH, OR BREEDING OUT OF CONTROL AND JUST, UH, FILLING UP LIKE, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT RABBITS SO
THAT SAID, I, I FEEL LIKE WE DON'T HAVE THE VOTES HERE, AND I, I DON'T WANT THIS TO GO DOWN IN FLAMES TONIGHT.
UM, SO, UH, IF WE HAVE TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO WORK ON A LITTLE BIT MORE SPECIFICITY, I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
I ALSO DON'T THINK WE NEED TO OVER LEGISLATE AND PRESCRIBE EXACT MATERIALS.
I, I THOUGHT IT WAS PRETTY, PRETTY WELL WRITTEN TO, TO, TO LEAVE IT UP, UM, TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT'S GONNA WORK AT THAT INDIVIDUAL CASE BY CASE BASIS.
UM, BUT IF, IF WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING IN THAT GIVES IT SOME ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM OR, OR SOMETHING ELSE IN, IN THE BEST WAYS, MAYBE TO SEND IT BACK TO THEM, I WOULD RATHER SEE THAT HAPPEN THAN SEE THIS JUST GO DOWN AND THEN, AND THEN NOT COME BACK AROUND FOR, FOR A LONG TIME.
THIS, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE WORKED ON THIS, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE EMAILED ME ON THIS, UM, WAY MORE THAN 50 50.
IT'S BEEN 90 10, UM, 377 PEOPLE.
AND JUST, YOU KNOW, IN MY HEART, I JUST KNOW THIS IS RIGHT, THIS IS, THIS IS JUST STAYING CONNECTED WITH OUR HISTORY AND, AND WITH, UH, WITH, UH, AMERICAN TRADITION.
SO, UM, JUST TO, MR. EXCUSE ME, MR. HAM AGAIN, WHAT MR. STAMMER, DR.
STEAMER WAS SAYING, THE COUNTY HAS AN ORDINANCE, YOU HAVE A ROOSTER.
THE POA SAYS YOU CAN'T, THE COUNTY OVERRIDES THAT.
AND IT WOULD BE BETWEEN THE POA AND THE RESIDENT.
UH, IF THE COUNTY SAYS YOU CAN HAVE A ROOSTER IN THE POA SAYS YOU CAN'T, RIGHT? YEAH.
YOU CAN HAVE A ROOSTER EVERYWHERE.
BUT AT THE POA AREA, AND IN THE POA AREA, THE AREA IS SUBJECT TO THE POA, YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE A ROOSTER IF YOU WANNA FOLLOW THE, THE RESTRICTED, YOU KNOW, THE RULES, RIGHT? UM, BUT THEN THAT BECOMES A QUESTION OF ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE SOME POAS DON'T SPEND THE MONEY TO ENFORCE.
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COURSE, PROPERTY OWNERS SOMETIMES DON'T WANT TO.SO YEAH, NO, CERTAINLY THE POA CAN.
AND THEN THE THINGS THAT PEOPLE, AND MR. STEINMEYER AND OTHERS HAVE SAID THAT, THAT THE POA CAN REGULATE THIS AND THAT YOU'VE SAID TOO.
UM, SO THE COUNTY CAN'T STOP A PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION FROM PROHIBITING ROOSTERS.
I GUESS THE QUESTION WOULD BE THOUGH, IF THE PAOA TOLD ME I COULDN'T HAVE MY ROOSTER AND I WANTED TO CHALLENGE THAT AND PULL OUT THE ORDINANCE THAT SAYS, YES, I CAN, WHO WINS ON THAT? THE PROPERTY OWNER'S ASSOCIATION.
IF, IF IT'S VALIDLY PUT IN THERE, YOU KNOW, IF IF THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS THAT FORM THE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SAY THAT THIS IS A RULE THAT YOU CAN DO, THEN THE JUDGE IS GONNA SAY, YEAH, YOU'VE GOTTA FOLLOW THE RESTRICTIVE COVENANT.
AND IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THE COUNTY SAYS IT'S LEGAL.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY IT IS WITH VARIOUS THINGS.
YOU KNOW, SOME AREAS THEY'VE GOT RESTRICTIONS THAT ARE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THE COUNTY DOES.
AND THE OTHER THING TOO, SORRY, WAS THE TALKING ABOUT CHAINSAWS, WOOD, CHIPPERS, POWER WASHERS, LAWNMOWERS MAKE AS MUCH, IF NOT MORE NOISE THAN A ROOSTER, BUT THEY'RE NOT GOING ON EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY.
DON'T WE WRONG? I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD THINGS HERE.
UM, AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT, UM, I GUESS THE PROCESS WOULD BE THEY WOULD CONTACT ZONING FIRST AND THEN YOU ALL WOULD LOOK INTO IT OR WHATEVER.
AND I GUESS MY SUGGESTION TOO, IF WE SEND IT BACK, WHICH I'M LEANING THAT WAY, UM, MAYBE PUT SOMETHING IN THE ORDINANCE TOO, THAT IF SOMEBODY COMPLAINS ABOUT, UM, A ROOSTER CROWING, WE SEND DR.
JAMISON OVER THERE TO BARK LIKE A DOG
SO, BUT I'LL, LIKE I SAID, I THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME GOOD CONVERSATION HERE.
I MEAN, THE OTHER THING TOO, I MEAN, WE HAVE, YOU HAVE A LOT MORE, A LOT OF STUFF ON THE PLATE AND WE NEED TO RESOLVE THIS, BUT I THINK IT'S WORTHWHILE PUTTING IT ASIDE AND I HATE TO SEND IT BACK, BUT THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY ALSO TO, UM, UM, GET SOME FEEDBACK FROM THE POAS TOO AND SEE WHAT THEIR THOUGHTS ARE.
AND I STILL THINK WE HAD SOME, AND I MAY BE MISTAKEN.
BUT ANYWAY, THE, UH, THE THING IS THAT, UM, I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME EXEMPTIONS FOR CERTAIN SANITARY DISTRICTS.
I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF TIME AND MONEY ON LOOKING AT ADVANCE DEBT FOR THE MOST PART.
BUT I JUST REMEMBER THAT THERE WERE SOME THINK ON FIREARMS. THERE'S SOMETHING, I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT ABOUT DISCHARGING FIREARMS. MM-HMM.
THEY HAVE SOME, THEY HAVE SOME PO OR THERE, THERE IS SOME STATE LAW SPECIFIC STUFF ON THAT.
I, YEAH, MR. SUPERVISOR STAN MEYER IS CORRECT.
I CAN'T, THERE MIGHT BE FIREARMS. I, I CAN'T RECALL.
I THINK THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING ABOUT, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SPEAK OUT OF TERM.
THERE ARE STATE LAW SPECIFIC THINGS, BUT THERE ISN'T ANYTHING FOR THIS.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT OR WHATEVER, BUT THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TO, UH, TO RE-LOOK AT.
AND THERE AGAIN, I, I AGREE WITH THE, THE BENEFITS TREMENDOUSLY, BUT THERE AGAIN, IT'S JUST, UH, AND THERE ARE SOME POINTS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE NOISE INSULATION AND THOSE THINGS AND, AND, UH, I GUESS SOME MISINFORMATION OUT THERE TOO.
BUT I THINK OVERALL IT'S A GOOD THING.
BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO, TO, UM, SEND THIS BACK.
AND, UH, AND I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT ALL.
'CAUSE JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT WE GOT WRITTEN HERE, BASICALLY, IF YOU HAD WHAT SOMEBODY INTERPRETED AS A NUISANCE ROOSTER THAT WAS TOO LOUD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE A MECHANISM AS IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW, CORRECT.
TO PROVIDED THAT THE COOP IS INSULATED FOR SOUND.
NO, OTHER THAN THE NOISE ORDINANCE, WHICH YEAH.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WOULD ENFORCE ON FARM RELATED ACTIVITIES.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, I, UH, MR. CARTER ITERATE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BENEFITS I I SEE.
AND THEN THE, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE THING WITH THE KIDS SEEING THE, YOU KNOW, HOW THINGS WORK IS, IS WONDERFUL.
UM, BUT IT, UH, IF WE CAN, IF IT HAS TO GO TO PLANNING OR HOWEVER IT'S DONE, UH, MAY BE THE BEST ROUTE AS LONG AS WE CAN COME UP WITH A WAY TO WHERE IT'S, IT'S NOT A NOISE NUISANCE.
AND IF IT IS ONE THAT THERE'S SOME KIND OF ENFORCEMENT, UH, ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM, I DON'T KNOW.
WE WERE, I THINK, UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, WE WERE DOING 70 DECIBELS AT THE PROPERTY LINE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
I DON'T REMEMBER THE RULES, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT.
YOU'D HAVE TO HAVE SOME KIND OF, UH, SOME WAY TO ENFORCE IT TO, TO ONE, TO DETERMINE OR HAVE SOME KIND OF DEFINITION WHAT'S TOO LOUD OR, OR WHAT TIMES IS, IS INAPPROPRIATE.
AND THEN, UH, YOU'D HAVE TO LOOK AT IT FROM OUTTA WAY.
AND THEN YOU'D HAVE TO, WHAT'S THE ENFORCEMENT MECHANISM? IF IT'S AN INAPPROPRIATE TIME OR IT'S TOO LOUD.
UH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MY, MY TWO SUGGESTIONS.
UH, IF IT GOES BACK TO PLANNING, AND I THINK WE'RE KIND OF HIT IT THAT WAY.
I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO ADD TOO, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THE NOISE
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AND THE COOP, BUT WE HAVEN'T REALLY TALKED ABOUT FREE RANGING.AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE PART OF THIS.
UM, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE GOT ENOUGH AREA THAT YOU CAN FREE RANGE MY CHICKENS, I LET 'EM FREE RANGE SOME I'M VERY PROTECTIVE AND I DON'T WANT THE FOX AND THE COYOTES GET 'EM, BUT, UM, I'VE GOT ENOUGH AREA THAT THEY DON'T GET INTO THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S ROSE BUSHES AND FLOWERS AND SCRATCH 'EM UP BECAUSE THEY LOVE TO DO THAT, OR SOMEBODY'S GARDEN.
SO I THINK WHILE WE'RE GONNA SEND THIS BACK, POSSIBLY, IT LOOKS LIKE, UM, THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AS WELL, BECAUSE WE MAY DO A GREAT JOB OF TAKING CARE OF THE NOISE AND THEN THEY'RE FREE RANGING, WHETHER IT'S THE ROOSTER OR THE HENS, AND YOU GOT YOUR NEIGHBORS UP IN AN UP UPWARD BECAUSE OF THE DESTRUCTION OF THE FREE RANGE.
UM, SO JUST, I WANT, IF WE'RE GONNA DO THIS, LET'S DO IT AND GET IT RIGHT ON ALL POINTS INSTEAD OF YEAH.
WELL, I THINK PLANNING CAN COME UP WITH SOME MM-HMM.
SOME REQUIREMENTS FOR WHETHER IT BE FENCING OR OTHER METHODS OF, OF KEEPING THE ROOSTERS FROM GOING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD AND DESTROYING IT.
WELL, AND I MEAN, HIMS TOO, IT MIGHT BE ALREADY IN IT, IT MIGHT BE TAKING ORDINANCE.
I THINK THAT PART'S ALREADY THERE.
OR IF IT IS ALREADY THERE, THEN, THEN OBVIOUSLY THOSE WOULD APPLY.
MAKE SURE IT APPLIES TO THE ROOSTER AS WELL.
ROOSTERS DON'T GET A FREE PASS ON, ON, UH, JAYWALKING.
BUT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'M SURE THIS ORDINANCE CAME UP ORIGINALLY BECAUSE THERE WAS A PROBLEM.
AND WE DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO HAVING A BIGGER PROBLEM BY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, SOLVE ANOTHER PROBLEM OF FOOD SECURITY AND, YOU KNOW, THE EXPERIENCE OF, YOU KNOW, RAISING YOUR OWN CHICKENS AND HAVING YOUR OWN FOOD.
I HAVE A GARDEN, I HAVE MY CHICKENS, AND I DO A LOT OF CANNING AND SO FORTH.
I'M ALL FOR IT, BUT WE HAVE TO LIVE IN HARMONY.
AND BALANCING THAT OUT IS DIFFICULT, BUT, SO LET'S TRY TO, LET'S TO DO IT.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WE HAVE AN EMERGING CONSENSUS TO SEND IT BACK TO, TO PLANNING, TO, TO WORK ON IT A LITTLE BIT.
AND I, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S THE RIGHT THING.
BUT I THINK THAT, I BELIEVE THAT HAPPENED WITH THE BEES, WHICH IS A SIMILAR THING THAT'S MOVING ALONG AND COMING TO US SOON, UH, WITH THE HONEYBEES.
I THINK IT WENT, UM, FROM THE PLANNING COMMISSION BACK TO PLANNING AT LEAST ONCE, MAYBE TWICE, UH, TO, TO, TO FINE TUNE IT.
SO THE, THE BEES GOT THREE CHANCES TO GET IT.
AT LEAST GIVE THE ROOSTER TAKE FOR SURE.
SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? UH, DID YOU HAVE ONE THING TO SAY? UM, NO, THIS IS, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FREE RANGE AND ALL.
UM, I MEAN, IN THE PROPOSED ORDINANCE FOR THE ROOSTER DOES LIMIT THEM, UH, OR THEY HAVE TO BE INSIDE FROM 10:00 PM TO 7:00 AM SO YEAH.
BUT FROM 7:00 AM TO 10:00 PM OF COURSE, MY CHICKENS ARE, AS SOON AS THEY SEE THE SUN'S GOING DOWN, THEY HID FOR THE HOUSE.
I MEAN, THEY, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH YOU WANTED TO CONFINE THEM EVEN MORE, WHICH I, YOU KNOW, YOU WHATEVER.
I'M JUST THROWING IT OUT THERE.
NO, FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONSIDER AND THE WHOLE THING.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD TOO, AS FAR AS THE PROCESS, LIKE I SAID, WE TABLE IT OR, OR SEND IT BACK OR WHATEVER.
WHAT DOES THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE TO DO? DO THEY HAVE TO RE ADVERTISE FOR ANOTHER PLANNING, UH, UH, PUBLIC HEARING? YEP.
PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE STANDARD WOULD BE IF, IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT WOULD CAUSE A RESIDENT TO WANT TO GO NOW TO THE PUBLIC HEARING VERSUS BEFORE THEY WOULDN'T.
SO THE SAFE ANSWER IS TO RE ADVERTISE IT.
BECAUSE IT WOULD GO BACK TO THEM FOR A PUBLIC HEARING PER SE, AND THEN COMES BACK TO US FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY TOO.
OR YOU CAN HAVE A JOINT PUBLIC HEARING, BUT YEAH.
HAVE TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING BETWEEN, BEFORE BOTH BODIES AND I, IT WOULD KIND OF DEPEND ON WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OKAY.
AND, AND I GUESS THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULD VIEW THIS MEETING AND TRY TO GET SOME IDEA OF, YOU KNOW, IF YOU REFERRED IT WITH SOME FURTHER DIRECTION, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE HELPFUL FOR YOUR, FOR YOUR PLANNING STAFF.
AND WHAT I'M HEARING Y'ALL SAY IS THAT YOU WANT SOME ADDITIONAL TEETH ON NOISE RULES AND SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION FOR NEIGHBORS.
AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE WAY TO REALLY DO THAT IS, IS CHAIRWOMAN COLOR'S CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PLAN.
AND I HEARD SUPERVISOR CARTER NOT WANT 300 AND SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SUVS, WHICH IS A VALID CONCERN TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE WAY YOU WOULD REALLY PUT, PUT TEETH IN IT.
UM, MAYBE PLANNING COMMISSION WILL COME TO THAT DETERMINATION TOO.
THEY, THEY MIGHT, THEY, THEY MIGHT, THEY MIGHT SAY, THERE'S
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NO WAY TO PUT A BLANKET REGULATION ON THIS.IT FITS EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE TO DO 'EM BY CUP.
UH, AND IF THAT'S THE WAY IT IS, SO BE IT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, THAT MIGHT BE THE WAY THEY COME OUT.
THE NOISE AND THE WAY TO RE YEAH.
IT IS THE, IS WHAT'S GOT US HELD UP CURRENTLY.
IT GETS VIOLATED LIKE A, YOU KNOW, A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL THAT DIDN'T, DOESN'T GO WELL.
I DON'T LIKE THE CUP ID OBVIOUSLY.
AND ANOTHER THING TOO, HOW MUCH IS, HOW MUCH DOES IT COST FOR SOMEBODY TO REQUEST A CUP 1500? OOH.
SAY WHAT? IT'S COST PROHIBITIVE.
WELL, AND WE DON'T A WAY TO BALANCE OUR BUDGET
UM, BUT NO, IT'S, UH, NO, I MEAN, BESIDES THE NUMBER OF 'EM, I DON'T THINK CU P'S GONNA BE THE WAY TO GO.
AND THERE AGAIN, I THINK MR. HAM WAS SAYING, WANTED SOME INPUT FROM US.
AND MY ONLY CONCERN IS TOO, IF IT GOES BACK, THIS COULD BE ON YOUR FEBRUARY MEETING FOR DISCUSSION ON THE PLANNING, I MEAN, NOT A PUBLIC HEARING OBVIOUSLY, BUT WE SEND IT BACK TO YOU ALL.
TELL ME THE PROCESS, WE SEND IT BACK TO YOU.
SO I MEAN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO REDRAFT SOMETHING AND SEND THAT THROUGH LEGAL.
UM, SO THAT COULD TAKE SOME TIME.
WE'D PROBABLY WANT TO GO TO A WORK SESSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION POTENTIALLY BEFORE THE MEETING.
SO THEN AT THE MEETING COULD AUTHORIZE ADVERTISEMENT, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING THE FOLLOWING MONTH OR TWO OR THREE MONTHS, WHATEVER.
THEN IT COMES BACK TO US ANOTHER MONTH.
SO NOW WE'RE, I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE PEOPLE WANNA RAISE, UH, TURKEYS 'CAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE THIS DONE BY THANKSGIVING.
UM, NO, I'M JUST, I'M SORRY, BEING FACETIOUS, BUT I HATE TO SEE THIS STUFF DRAG ON.
BUT, UH, AND THE OTHER THING POINT OF REFERENCE TOO, IF THERE, IF THERE TURNS OUT TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND MR. HAM CAN, LEMME KNOW IF I'M CORRECT OR NOT, BUT WHAT YOU COULD DO BEFORE YOU CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING, YOU COULD JUST CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING TO THE NEXT MEETING OR THE MEETING AFTER THAT WITHOUT IT RE-ADVERTISING.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD DEPEND ON HOW MUCH REWRITING WE'RE GONNA DO.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO MAKE CHANGES, LIKE RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW RIGHT.
WE'VE ADVERTISED IT, BUT IF YOU CHANGE IT A WHOLE IT, THAT'S REALLY GONNA BE DEPEND ON WHAT STAFF COMES UP WITH AND WHAT MY PARTNER MR. BOWMAN COMES UP WITH IN TERMS OF RESPONSE TO THIS.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE IT WON'T NEED ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND MAYBE IT WILL.
I I CAN'T REALLY TELL YOU SITTING HERE RIGHT NOW.
BUT, UM, YEAH, THAT IS, UM, I THINK YOU'VE, OKAY.
NO, I'M JUST SAYING THAT NOT FOR THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, BUT IF THERE'S ANOTHER ISSUE THAT COMES UP AND IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'D BE, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE FOR OR AGAINST OR WHATEVER, WE COULD ALWAYS, UH, SUSPEND THE PUBLIC HEARING, TAKE A BREATH AND GET ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WITHOUT RE-ADVERTISING BEFORE WE TAKE A VOTE.
I THINK WE'VE CLOSED THE PUBLIC HEARING WE HAVE TONIGHT THOUGH.
BUT ANYWAY, UH, I'M SOMEBODY IF WE WANNA MAKE THE MOTION TO GO AHEAD AND SEND IT BACK OR YES.
OH, IF YOU ARE NOT READY TO MAKE A MOTION, I WAS JUST GOING TO SUGGEST THE POSSIBILITY OF A PUBLIC CHARETTE PRIOR TO A WORK SESSION SO THAT WE CAN GAIN EVERYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC, GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION PREPARED WITH WHAT THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SEE, AND THEN HAVE YOUR COMMENTS, HAVE THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTS AVAILABLE, TRY TO GET SOMETHING.
HOW EXACTLY DOES THAT WORK? I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT WE WOULD JUST BE ABLE TO PUT SOMETHING OUT, UM, ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE, POST IT AROUND THE BUILDING.
UM, I'M NOT SURE ALL OF THE AVAILABLE OPTIONS FOR ADVERTISING THAT.
I MEAN, WE COULD POTENTIALLY LOOK AT PUTTING SOMETHING IN THE NEWSPAPER FOR A PUBLIC CHARETTE.
UM, WE'D HAVE TO WORK WITHIN OUR BUDGET.
BUT I MEAN, IF THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU GUYS WOULD BE IN FAVOR OF, I MEAN, PLANNING STAFF CAN, CAN TRY TO FIGURE THAT OUT.
IF THAT HELPS, IF THAT RESOLVES THE ISSUE, WHATEVER, BY ALL MEANS, IF IT'LL HELP.
IF THAT'S A TOOL A, YOU CAN USE JUST A YEAH, WE CAN JUST, I THINK THAT A WORK SESSION WITH PLANNING COMMISSION AT THE LEAST WOULD BE NECESSARY.
HOW, HOW WOULD A PUBLIC SHAREE WOULD BE ANSWER QUESTION AND INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AND GUIDED BY STAFF.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS, YEAH, I LIKE THAT IDEA.
BECAUSE THIS IS GOING TO AFFECT THE PUBLIC.
UM, AND I, I THINK IF IT'S GONNA BE IN THEIR DAILY LIFE AND AFFECT THEIR ACTIVITIES OF DAILY LIVING, THEN WE SHOULD HEAR FROM THEM.
WE HAVE NO SHORTAGE OF EXPERTS IN FARMING IN WARREN COUNTY.
I'M SURE THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH A SLEW OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD BE WILLING TO, TO PARTICIPATE AND PASS THEIR
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KNOWLEDGE ON, UM, PEOPLE THAT WERE BOTH FOR AND AGAINST.SO IS IT LIKE, FOR A ETTE, LIKE MY UNDERSTANDING IS NORMALLY IT'S LIKE ALMOST LIKE A, A PUBLIC PANEL, A PANEL THAT'S, THAT'S FACE TO FACE-TO-FACE.
THIS WOULD BE AN ONLINE SURVEY MORE.
I THINK IT'S JUST LIKE A BRAINSTORM THING.
NO, I WOULD THINK SOMETHING VERY PUBLIC OPEN.
IN AN AUDITORIUM OR SOMETHING.
WOULD ANYONE BE ABLE TO SPEAK OR WOULD ONLY EXPERTS BE ABLE TO SPEAK? I THINK IT WOULD BE WISE TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO SPEAK.
I MEAN, WE'D HAVE TO, I AGREE.
TO MAKE SURE THAT IT DIDN'T GET OUTTA HAND AND WE, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY COULD TALK.
I WOULD LIKE, I MEAN, I WOULD HAVE TO THINK OF WAYS TO ORGANIZE THIS, BUT I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE IDEAL TO HAVE THE EXPERTS SPEAK FIRST.
UM, AND THEN OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
I WOULD LIKELY CREATE AN AGENDA AND WE'D FOLLOW THAT ORGANIZATION.
WERE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS PROCESS THERE? IN, IN, IN WHAT FORMAT? ONE OF OUR MEETINGS.
ONE PLANNING OR JOINT, UH, PLANNING, UH, COUNTY, UH, WORK SESSION.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GETTING THE EXPERTS? ARE YOU JUST TALKING ABOUT DOING IT ON FACEBOOK OR WHATEVER? N NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT, UM, FIRST HAVING A MEETING OF THE MINDS WITH THE PUBLIC.
THEN STAFF CAN PUT TOGETHER THOSE THOUGHTS AND IDEAS, THEN GO FORWARD WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN A WORK SESSION.
WHERE WE HAVE THE PUBLIC'S COMMENTARY TOGETHER, AS WELL AS THE COMMENTARY THAT YOU GUYS HAVE PROVIDED THIS EVENING.
WORK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO BUST OUT A DRAFT, PASS THAT DRAFT ON TO LEGAL, GET THEIR BLESSING, ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
THAT SOUND WORKABLE, MR. AM SURE.
AND I, BUT YOU KNOW, THIS, THE PUBLIC RIGHT IDEA IS NOT SOMETHING RECOGNIZED IN THE VIRGINIA CODE DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T DO IT.
SO IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD JUST BE PLANNING STAFF.
IT COULD BE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THERE, YOU KNOW, ANYBODY CAN ATTEND, SUPERVISORS CAN ATTEND IF THEY WANT TO.
IF WE'RE GONNA DO THAT, WE SHOULD NOTICE IT AS SUCH.
LIKE I SAID, IT'S A BUSY TIME OF YEAR WITH THE BUDGET TAKING UP A LOT OF OUR ATTENTION.
WHAT IF WE TABLED THIS, THAT WAY WE DON'T HAVE TO ADVERTISE AGAIN AND WE COME BACK.
WE COULD GO AHEAD AND TAKE A VOTE AND WE STILL GET ADDITIONAL INPUT.
BUT WE TABLED THIS TO THE SECOND MEETING IN MARCH AND THAT WAY IT GIVES TWO MONTHS AND IN THE MEANTIME YOU FIND OUT YOU ALL NEED TO RE ADVERTISE.
BUT AT LEAST THIS WOULD GIVE SOME IN INSIGHT TO SOME EXTENT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
AND IT'S DOABLE, RIGHT? IF IT'S READY BY THEN YEAH.
WHAT'S THAT? IF IT, IF IT'D BE READY BY THEN YEAH, WE COULD, YEAH, WE COULD ALWAYS TABLE IT AGAIN IF IT'S NOT READY.
SO, AND I THINK THE OTHER THING TOO IS EVEN THOUGH IT CAN BE A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW, 2, 3, 4 MEETINGS PRIOR TO THAT WHERE WE STILL HAVE THE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AND YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COULD STILL WEIGH IN ADDITIONALLY TOO.
IF YOU CARE TO, I'D MAKE THAT MOTION THAT WE TABLE THIS TO THEM, UH, SECOND MEETING IN MARCH WITH ALL THE OTHER STIPULATIONS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS LETTING THE PLANNING TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT IT AND, AND SEE WHAT, UH, AND ENGAGE THE PUBLIC MORE.
AND I'D STILL LIKE THE IDEA OF GETTING INPUT FROM THE, UH, THE INDIVIDUAL POAS HOAS BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT WOULD BE THE FIRST WE APPROVE IT.
THEY'D BE THE FIRST ONES THAT WOULD PROBABLY START GETTING SOME FLACK.
AND THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'LL DO IS CALL THE COUNTY.
SO, AND YOU COULD REACH OUT TO THEM AS WELL TO GIVE INPUT.
THEY COULD ALSO ADVERTISE IT WITHIN THEIR COMMUNITY.
MR. HENDERSON, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE TABLE UNTIL THE SECOND WEEK OF MARCH? YES.
WITH ALL THE DISCUSSION AND DISCOVERY TO SECOND MEETING IN MARCH? WELL, THE SECOND MEETING, THE SECOND, UH, REGULAR MEETING, WHICH WOULD BE THE THIRD MEETING.
WHICH ACTUALLY THIRD MEETING I GUESS.
MOTION AND SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE.
APPRECIATE EVERYONE'S, UM, INPUT AND PATIENCE ON THAT.
[I) Consent Agenda ]
DOWN TO THE CONSENT AGENDA.ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? UH, I'D PULL ONE.
ANYONE ELSE ON ANY OF THE OTHER ITEMS? WHICH ONE IS HE PULLING? UH, THE CONSENT IS, I'LL HAVE RIGHT COPY.
NO, I, UM, SO WHICH ONE IS HE? ONE.
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HE SAID THE NUMBER.AND I'D, UM, LIKE TO PULL NUMBER TWO.
SO IS THERE A MOTION IF NO OTHER ITEMS ARE PULLED TO APPROVE THE OH TWO? OKAY.
THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT YOU SAID.
UM, THE CONSENT I MAKE MOTION AGENDA.
MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTIONS OF, UH, ITEM ONE AND TWO.
[I)2. Request for Proposals for Software and Implementation Services for an Enterprise Resource Planning Financial Software Systems Environments - Todd Jones, IT Director, Alisa Scott, Finance Director ]
MIND, I THOUGHT WE WOULD DO NUMBER TWO FIRST 'CAUSE I JUST BASICALLY WANTED TO PULL THAT BECAUSE, UM, THAT'S A, A SOFTWARE AND I JUST WANTED TO HAVE MS. SCOTT PRESENT THAT A LITTLE BIT.AND JUST BECAUSE THAT'S KIND OF A LARGE TICKET THING AND I ALWAYS FEEL LIKE WHEN IT'S LARGE TICKET THINGS, WE OUGHT TO DISCUSS IT A LITTLE BIT IN PUBLIC.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGIES DEPARTMENT HAVE MADE SIGNIFICANT PROGRESS WITH THE, THE PROJECT OF REPLACING THE AS 400 A BOARD GOAL.
THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO UPDATE THE BOARD OF THE SUPERVISOR, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THIS PROGRESS BY PROVIDING A NEEDS ASSESSMENT MEMO AND DRAFT REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS ALONG WITH ATTACHMENTS AT A CONSENSUS CONSENSUS MEMO.
UH, PLEASE NOTE THERE ARE COMMENTS AND HIGHLIGHTS THROUGHOUT THE DOCUMENT AS THIS IS A DRAFT DOCUMENT IN WHICH STAFF IS SOLICITING ADVICE TO DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD.
UM, DOES THE BOARD WISH TO INCLUDE THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AND COMMISSIONER'S COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE'S OFFICE IN THE RFP OR SEPARATELY CONTRACT WITH THE VANITY, THEIR PREFERRED CONTRACTOR THROUGH CORPORATE PROCUREMENT? THE PART OF VANITY WOULD NOT INCLUDE THE NEEDS OF THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING DEPARTMENT AT THE REQUEST OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
THE ORIGINAL APPROPRIATION OF 1.5 MILLION AND FY 23 IS OUTLINED IN THE COVER SHEET TO INCLUDE THE CARRYOVER THAT IS REDUCED THROUGH ESTIMATED EXPENDITURES OF THE TECHNOLOGY CONSULTANT OF ITY AND IS FINALIZED BY AN ESTIMATED PLACEHOLDER TO REPLACE THE FINANCIAL SYSTEM.
AND I'M AVAILABLE TO, UH, ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS RFP AND MRS. SHANKS IS ALSO HERE THIS EVENING AS WELL, UH, TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE TREASURER'S OFFICE.
WELL, I GUESS FOR ME, I, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS.
UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING SOMETHING THAT WORKS FOR ALL THREE OF YOU, COMMUNICATES FOR ALL THREE OF YOU AND DOES EVERYTHING BESIDES THE WASHING THE WINDOWS AND THE DISHES FOR YOU SO THAT WE KNOW WE ARE GETTING THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK AND TO FINANCIALLY DO EVERYTHING YOU GUYS NEED.
I'M NOT THE SOFTWARE EXPERT, BUT THOSE ARE MY HOPES AND EXPECTATIONS.
UM, AND I'LL LEAVE THAT TO THOSE THAT ARE MORE TECHNOLOGY ADVANCED TO ME.
BUT I, I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT YOU NEED AND I JUST NEED TO HEAR FROM YOU IF THIS IS IT.
AND IF NOT, I DON'T WANNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY ON SOMETHING THAT'S NOT GONNA DO ALL THE THINGS THAT IT NEEDS TO DO TO GET US ALIGNED IN ALL THIS FINANCIAL THINGS DONE AND DONE CORRECTLY.
AND I DUNNO, WOULD ANYBODY ELSE, HAS BARRY DONE GUIDING, HAS BARRY DONE OUR PARTNER IN THIS? YES.
WE ARE STILL IN PHASE ONE THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE CONTRACTING WITH THEM TO HELP US ADDRESS WHAT MS. SCHOLARS WAS, WAS WANTING DONE.
YEAH, THAT THE NEEDS ASSESSMENT IS A MULTI-TAP EXCEL DOCUMENT, WHICH LISTS OUT THE CRITICAL AND DESIRED NEEDS OF ALL THREE OFFICES ON BEHALF OF WARREN COUNTY.
NOT JUST ON BEHALF OF THE THREE OFFICES, BUT ON A SYSTEM THAT BEST MEETS THE NEEDS OF WARREN COUNTY Y.
NO, AND I, AND I'M NOT VERY TECHNICAL FOR THIS KIND OF STUFF, BUT IT WOULD ONLY MAKE SENSE THAT, UH, ALL THESE OFFICES SYSTEMS NEED TO COMPUTE, COMMUNICATE WITH ONE ANOTHER AND OVERLAP SO IT DOESN'T CREATE, UH, DUAL TASK IN EVERY OFFICE.
YOU KNOW, UM, INFORMATION'S ENTERED AT ONE OFFICE.
IT OUGHT TO BE, YOU KNOW, AVAILABLE TO THE, THE OTHER SAW OFFICES.
'CAUSE THE THREE OF YOU HAVE TO, UH, INTERACT VERY CLOSELY.
NO, I JUST, UM, YOU KNOW, COMING IN LATE OR WHATEVER, JUST WITH THE ISSUES WE HAVE WITH THE AUDIT AND ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK
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SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE CREATED THIS IS, UM, TURNOVER IN FINANCE DIRECTORS.I THINK THAT SOFTWARE WAS OUTDATED.
THERE'S A NEW TREASURER AND THEY USE, I THINK, I BELIEVE I UNDERSTAND THEY USE DIFFERENT SYSTEMS. I MEAN, EVERYBODY'S USING A DIFFERENT SYSTEM, IS THAT CORRECT? OR, WE USE THE SAME SYSTEM.
WE USE THE BRIGHT SYSTEM, BUT WE HAVE DIFFERENT MODULES.
LIKE I SAID, I, I THINK CHAIRMAN COLOR SAID, I THINK SHE SAID THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME PAGE.
AND IF THIS DOESN'T WORK, I'M, I'M ALL PREPARED TO BUY EVERYBODY AN ABACUS.
I'M PREPARED TO BUY EVERYBODY AN ABACUS
LIKE I SAID, WE NEED TO GET GOING ON THIS AND IT IS A BIG EXPENSE.
AND AGAIN, I APPRECIATE CHAIRMAN COLORS AND THE REST OF THE BOARD.
WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE GET, I DON'T WANT TO SAY THAT THE BEST BANG FOR THE BUCK.
WE WANNA DO THE BEST WE CAN AND, AND, AND HELP MAKE YOUR JOB EASIER, WHICH IN TURN MAKES OUR JOB EASIER.
THAT WAS, UM, JUST THE ONLY REASON I PULLED THAT.
SO, UM, IS THERE A MOTION ON THAT ITEM AT THIS POINT? UH, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR PROPOSALS FOR SOFTWARE AND IMPLEMENTATION SERVICES FOR AN ENTERPRISE RESOURCE PLANNING FINANCIAL SOFTWARE SYSTEM, ENVIRONMENTS AS PRESENTED.
SECOND, I QUIT, I QUIT READING, I'M SORRY.
DON'T PUT THAT IN TWO PAGES NEXT TIME.
AND I'M GONNA LOOK A DOME SOMETHING UP HERE.
UH, I SECOND THE MOTION ROLL CALL.
[I)1. 2026 Board of Supervisors Committee Assignments ]
BOARD OF SUPERVISOR ASSIGNMENTS AND I DO HAVE ONE CHANGE, UM, MR. STAN MEYER PUT YOU ON THE REGIONAL JAIL WITH ME.AND YOU SAID YOU WERE WILLING TO DO THAT, SO I APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, OTHERWISE THE ONLY ONE IS STILL THE FINANCE COMMITTEE.
UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S KIND OF WHY I PULLED IT.
OH, I HAD INDICATED BEFORE THAT WE MAY INTEGRATE SOME, UH, COMMUNITY, UH, VOLUNTEERS AND, YOU KNOW, REDO THE TERM LIMITS AND THE BYLAWS.
OH, I DID ATTEND THE, UH, THE LAST FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE MEETING.
AND, UH, THERE IS, THERE'S, THERE IS DEFINITELY SOME CONFUSION AMONG THE COMMITTEE MEMBERS OF THEIR TASK.
UH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS SAID OPENLY.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING THAT I NOTICED IS THAT, UH, MRS. SCOTT HAD STAFF BURNING MIDNIGHT OIL TRYING TO GET, UH, TRYING TO GET THESE AUDITS CAUGHT UP IN ALL THIS EXTRA WORK.
AND, UH, I'M NOT SURE, NOT SO SURE HER TIME WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN BETTER SPENT, UH, WORKING THEN IN, UH, ENTERTAINING AN HOUR AND A HALF MEETING AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A FEW MINUTES BEFORE AND AFTER TO GET THERE.
AND OBVIOUSLY SHE WAS WORKING IN A BUILDING, SO SHE WAS ABLE TO GO RIGHT BACK TO WORK AT, UH, YOU KNOW, AFTER SEVEN 30 AT NIGHT ALL.
SO WE HAVEN'T PUT ANYBODY ON THE COMMITTEE, BUT, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THIS IS THE RIGHT PLACE TO DO IT.
BUT, UH, I WOULDN'T ASSIGN ANY COMMITTEE MEMBERS.
I WOULD, UH, I WOULD SUSPEND THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE AND MAKE THE BOARD TO FINANCE AN AUDIT COMMITTEE.
AND THEN I THINK, UH, THE, THE FINANCE, YOU KNOW, MR. SCOTT AND THE TREASURER, UH, WHEN WE DO OUR DAY MEETINGS, ALL, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY WE, IT, IT, IT'S ALL HANDS ON DECK TO GET THE AUDIT DONE.
THEN ONCE THE AUDIT'S PUT BACK IN PERSPECTIVE AND, UH, WE CAN GO BACK TO NORMAL BUSINESS, WE CAN DEFINITELY SIT DOWN AND, UH, AGREE ON A SET OF, YOU KNOW, SET OF TASKS, UH, OR BYLAWS OR WHATEVER THAT THE, UH, AND THEN, UH, REAPPOINT MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, GET, UH, EQUAL PARTICIPATION, UH, FROM EACH DISTRICT, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE A, YOU KNOW, AND HAVE A REPURPOSE RE REBUILT, SO TO SPEAK, UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE GOING FORWARD.
BUT, UH, I THINK FOR RIGHT NOW, I WOULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE RIGHT WORD IS.
I IS, I, I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD NEVER HAVE ONE, BUT, UH, UNDER THE CURRENT CLIMATE, UH, AND THE CONFUSION AND THE, UH, THE LOSS OF STAFF HOURS TO, UH, PUT ON THE MEETING WOULD BE BETTER SPENT SOMEWHERE ELSE.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY'RE, THE THING'S SUPPOSED TO BE CALLED
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BACK UP IN MARCH, MAYBE MAY SOME, MAYBE SOMETIME IN MARCH.WE CAN, UH, REWORK THESE BYLAWS AND, AND, UH, GET SOME, GET SOME FRESH APPOINTEE AND, AND, AND GET EACH DISTRICT REPRESENTED.
I, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS ABOUT IT, BUT THAT, UH, UH, IT'S THE WAY I FELT BY ATTENDING THE MEETING.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THEY WERE TWO, THE TWO FACTUAL THINGS.
AND THERE WAS DEFINITELY A NEED FOR STAFF TO BE IN THEIR OFFICE WORKING AND NOT AT THE MEETING.
I DON'T, I DON'T, MS. CALLERS WAS THERE.
I DIDN'T PARTICIPATE IN THE MEETING 'CAUSE IT'D BEEN THE THIRD BOARD MEMBER, SO I ONLY LISTENED.
JAMESON AND THE SUPERVISOR COLORS WERE, WERE BOTH THERE.
IF Y'ALL WOULD LIKE TO WEIGH IN OTHERS THOUGHTS? YEAH, I HAVE SOME THOUGHTS.
UM, I, I DEFINITELY, UM, TAKE ISSUE WITH YOUR CHARACTERIZATION OF CONFUSION.
UM, I THINK THAT WHAT WE DID WAS WE, WE OPENED UP THE BYLAWS AND WE READ THROUGH THEM AND THERE WAS A CONVERSATION GOING ON ABOUT THE, THE VARIOUS
AND I'M, I DON'T MEAN AUDITING, LIKE THE ANNUAL AUDIT, I MEAN, YEAH, AUDITING, LIKE REVIEWING ACCOUNTS, UH, UH, TREASURER'S REPORTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
AND THAT WAS THE DIALOGUE GOING ON BETWEEN TWO CITIZEN MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE WAS, FOR A LONG TIME THEY WERE FOCUSED ON POLICY, THEN THEY GOT FOCUSED ON AUDIT RELATED STUFF.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THE AUDIT GOT DELAYED.
AND THEN THEY DECIDED, WELL, WE'VE GOTTA STOP THIS WORK ON POLICY SO THAT THE, WE CAN FOCUS ON THE AUDIT.
SO I DON'T CHARACTERIZE THAT AS CONFUSION.
I JUST CHARACTERIZE THAT AS CON UH, AS, AS DISCUSSION, AND ESPECIALLY EVEN BEFORE I ENTERED THE ROOM, I THINK SOMEBODY HAD ASKED, WHAT'S THIS COMMITTEE DOING? OR WHAT'S IT SUPPOSED TO DO? AND, UM, YEAH, I, THERE ARE BYLAWS AND, AND, UH, I THINK IT'S REALLY IMPORTANT TO BE SPECIFIC, UH, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THINGS LIKE THAT.
UM, AND AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS CAME UP THE LAST TIME WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS AT A WORK SESSION.
UH, THIS IS A CITIZEN COMMITTEE AND, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, SUSPENDING A, A, A CITIZEN COMMITTEE THAT'S THE AUDIT FINANCE COMMITTEE WHEN WE'RE TWO YEARS BEHIND ON OUR AUDIT, SEEMS TO ME NOT REALLY THE BEST APPROACH TO MAINTAINING OUR TRANSPARENCY.
UM, THERE ARE, UH, I THINK, UH, I WANTED TO BE CLEAR ABOUT HOW MANY POLICIES OR HAVE BEEN UPDATED OR NEWLY DEVELOPED.
UM, MY UNDERSTANDING FROM, FROM, UM, AS THIS COOK, THE PRIOR, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THAT COMMITTEE, THERE'S AN UPDATED CAPITAL AND ASSET REPLACEMENT POLICY.
THERE'S AN UNFUNDED STRUCTURED POLICY.
THERE'S A NEW VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE FISCAL POLICY.
UM, THERE IS A, UH, UH, UPDATED TREASURE INVESTMENT AND DEPOSIT POLICY.
UM, THERE'S A PCARD, IT SAYS PCARD TO ENSURE PROPER EXPENDITURE, DESCRIPTION AND PROCUREMENT POLICY.
UM, AND THEN EVERY TIME WE HAVE A MEETING, THERE'S, UH, OLD BUSINESS AND IT, AND LISTS A NUMBER OF OTHER POLICIES THAT ARE, UH, ON THE BOARD, UH, TO BE DONE AT SOME POINT.
UM, UH, A SANITARY DISTRICT POLICY, UH, REVIEW A DEBT POLICY AND REVIEWING DELINQUENT TAX POLICY AND DEVELOPING NONPROFIT CONTRIBUTION FISCAL POLICY.
SO, OH, AND RESERVE FISCAL POLICY.
SO THE, AGAIN, WHEN, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THE, THE, THE, THE ROLE OF A POLICY IS FOR THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, UH, PUBLICLY AND BE ABLE TO SEE WHAT THE FUNCTION, UH, UH, WHAT WHAT THEY CAN EXPECT OF THEIR, OF THEIR GOVERNMENT TO FOLLOW.
UM, SO THE, THE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE ORIGINAL REASON FOR PUTTING THE COMMITTEE TOGETHER WAS TO GET ORIENTED TOWARD POLICY DEVELOPMENT.
UH, AGAIN, THAT'S A CITIZEN COMMITTEE.
AND UH, I KNOW I'VE HEARD MR. CARTER MENTION THAT IN THE PAST, THE FINANCE COMMITTEE WAS THE, WAS THE BOARD.
AND I THINK THAT WAS SORT OF A TONGUE IN CHEEK AS THOUGH THERE DIDN'T NEED TO BE A COMMITTEE.
'CAUSE THE BOARD WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR IT.
UM, THE, IF, IF THE, JUST, JUST A MATTER OF BYLAWS DO EXIST, UH, THEY HAVE TWO MAJOR SECTIONS, WHICH WE REVIEWED WHEN WE, WE WERE MEETING.
AND, UH, THAT'S WHAT THE DISCUSSION WAS ABOUT.
I, I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY REAL CONFUSION ABOUT WHAT THE PURPOSE OF THE COMMITTEE IS.
UM, I THINK THERE'S SOME COMPLAINT, UM, YOU KNOW, ABOUT HOW DETAILED SOME PEOPLE GET INTO ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT ACCOUNT ITEMS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, TO ME, THAT'S KIND OF, THAT'S KIND OF NOISE THAT NEEDS TO BE, UH, SORT OF GAR, UH, UH, DIRECTED AND KIND OF BROUGHT BACK TO WHAT'S THE MAIN MISSION.
UM, BUT, UH, NEVERTHELESS, THAT, YOU
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KNOW, MY, MY FEELING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, NO DISRESPECT WHATSOEVER TO, TO, UM, TO OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT, BUT WE'RE DOING THIS ONE MONTH PER, OR ONE DAY PER MONTH.UM, AND I THINK, UH, RECOGNIZE THERE'S A LOT OF, OF OVER TIME GOING ON WITH THE AUDIT, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S, UH, IT'S OVER BALANCE.
I DON'T THINK IT OVER COMES THE VALUE OF A, OF A CITIZEN COMMITTEE THAT'S, THAT'S, UH, BASICALLY PARTICIPATING IN THIS PROCESS MAY MAYBE ANOTHER WAY TO, UH, YOU MAYBE CONFUSION'S MAYBE NOT THE RIGHT WORD.
I DON'T MEAN THE PEOPLE THEMSELVES WERE ACTUALLY CONFUSED OR, UM, WELL, THERE'S TWO THINGS.
UH, FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.
WE'VE, WE'VE HAD, UH, COUNTY'S HAD AUDIT PROBLEMS FOR TWO YEARS, BUT IT'S ONLY BEEN A COMMITTEE CONCERN FOR MONTHS.
YOU KNOW, FIVE, SIX MONTHS OR WHATEVER.
ALL THE OTHER THING IS WHERE WE DEFINITELY AGREE TO DISAGREE.
AND I, AND I DON'T MEAN DISRESPECT YOU 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU WORK, WORK HARD ON POLICY, BUT, UH, IT'S TO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE TRADITIONALLY OR, OR MAYBE IT'S JUST MY POINT OF VIEW, UH, ALWAYS FELT THAT STAFF WROTE POLICY, UH, PROFESSIONAL STAFF WROTE POLICY COMMITTEES, REVIEW POLICY, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, COMMITTEE, YOU KNOW, AND THEN THEY, YOU KNOW, PUT INPUT BACK AND FORTH IN, AND THEN OF COURSE PROCESS HAPPENS AGAIN HERE, YOU KNOW, AT THE BOARD LEVEL AS FAR AS S BEING APPROVED OR AMENDED, OF COURSE, LEGAL HAS TO LOOK AT EVERYTHING TOO.
IT, IT MAYBE A COUPLE STAGES THROUGH THE PROCESS, BUT, UH, UM, I JUST, I JUST THINK UNDER THE CURRENT, CURRENT CLIMATE WITH THE, UH, THE FINANCE AND AUDIT, YOU KNOW, EVERY, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, IT'S BEEN INDICATED TO ME THEY'VE WORKED SOME VERY LATE HOURS.
UH, AND, UH, I, I WANT A FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE, UH, BUT I DON'T THINK THEY SHOULD WRITE POLICY.
I THINK THEY SHOULD REVIEW POLICY AND THEN, UH, I THINK THEIR TASK, UH, UM, 'CAUSE ONE OF THE MEMBERS HAD INDICATED IT WAS, UH, SOME CONFUSION WITH TASK RAISED IN.
SO, UM, I THINK, I THINK THOSE BYLAWS NEED TO BE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE LOOKED AT AT A WORK SESSION AND, AND RE BRAINSTORMED.
BUT, UM, IF I WANTED TO, MAYBE THIS IS A, UH, MR. HAM QUESTION, YOU KNOW, IF, IF WE WANT TO REWRITE THE, THE, UH, COMMITTEE'S BYLAWS AND, UH, REDO THE WAY WE APPOINT 'EM AND BRING, YOU KNOW, EQUAL DISTRICT REPRESENTATION IN, CAN WE SUSPEND THIS COMMITTEE AND BRING IT BACK? OR DO YOU DO AWAY WITH IT AND REWRITE IT AND MAKE IT A, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO GO ABOUT THAT? IF IT'S, WELL, YOU, YOU CAN SUSPEND THE COMMITTEE AND THEN YOU CAN REFORM IT ANYTIME YOU WANT TO.
BUT I, I HAD WANTED TO POINT OUT THAT YOUR RULES PRO, THIS IS ON THE AGENDA FOR 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS, AND WE WERE DISCUSSING THIS ISSUE AS, AS, AS CHAIRMAN CULLERS WAS BRINGING UP THE FACT THAT THIS IS WHY THERE'S A BLANK IN THE, IN THE NAME OF THAT.
AND NOW WE'VE KIND OF GOTTEN DEEP INTO THE WEEDS ON WHETHER OR NOT THAT SHOULD REALLY EXIST.
SO MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, Y'ALL GO AHEAD AND PASS WHATEVER VERSION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS THAT YOU WANNA DO.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CERTAINLY LEAVE IT BLANK IN TERMS OF THE, THE NAME OF THE SEAT TO BE FILLED.
AND THEN YOU COULD PUT ON A, A FUTURE MEETING THE DISCUSSION OF WHETHER OR NOT TO ABOLISH THIS COMMITTEE OR, YOU KNOW, THE RULES PROVIDE THAT, THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE UNANIMOUS VOTE TO ADD A NEW ITEM TO YOUR AGENDA TONIGHT.
AND I'VE, I'VE HEARD SUPERVISOR JAMON SPEAK AGAINST THIS AND, YOU KNOW, IN, IN, IN FAIRNESS TO HIM, YOU KNOW, THAT THE REASON THESE RULES EXIST IS SO THAT BOARD MEMBERS SORT OF HAVE SOME NOTICE THAT OF, OF THINGS THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN AT MEETINGS.
AND IT, IT'S NOT ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT GETTING RID OF THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IT'S ON THE AGENDA TO TALK ABOUT ASSIGNING, UM, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE TO ALL OF THE COUNTY COMMITTEES.
SO THAT WOULD BE, THOSE WOULD BE MY THOUGHTS ON THIS.
AND, UH, I MAY HAVE OVERREACHED THERE A LITTLE BIT, BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO ASSIGN FRESH MEMBERS TO A COMMITTEE THAT I THOUGHT IT NEEDED TO BE WORKING.
THAT'S IS KIND OF HOW WE KIND OF GOT DRUG INTO THAT ENTIRELY LEGITIMATE AND THEN DREW A RESPONSE, WHICH IS REASONABLE, BUT WE'RE GETTING DOWN A ROAD THAT WE CAN'T REALLY, I SHOULDN'T DO TONIGHT.
I WAS GONNA ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THIS IS NOT, UH, AN AGENDA ITEM GONNA HAVE TO BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA UNANIMOUSLY, WHICH IT WASN'T BEFORE.
I APPRECIATE THE, THE THOUGHTS THERE.
AND I THINK THERE'S SOME GOOD, UH, UM, CREDENCE FROM THE STANDPOINT THAT EVEN THOUGH IT MAY ONLY MEET ONCE A MONTH, HOW MUCH IS, UH, FINANCE TREASURER, WHOEVER'S SPENDING IN PREPARATION, AND WE NEED TO GET THIS AUDIT COMPLETED BEFORE WE MOVE ON.
AND WE GOTTA GET THE 24 AUDITS SO WE CAN WORK ON THE 25 AUDIT.
SO WHEN IS THE NEXT FINANCE COMMITTEE MEETING? SECOND.
SECOND WEDNESDAY OF MONTH, I THINK SECOND, IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S THE SAME NIGHT AS THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
SECOND WEDNESDAY IN FEBRUARY, WHATEVER THAT SECOND WEDNESDAY AND OUR NEXT, THEIR MEETING IN, BECAUSE I THINK IT'S
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AN IMPORTANT ISSUE TO DISCUSS AT THE THIRD MEETING.SO THAT'S GONNA BE WHAT, LET ME OBJECT JUST A SECOND HERE.
WE DID DISCUSS, UH, THE, THE, I THE IDEA OF FORMATION OF SUBCOMMITTEES TO CONTINUE WORKING ON POLICIES, WHICH IS ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS THAT THE COMMITTEE'S SUPPOSED TO DO.
AND IF THOSE, THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES COULD BE WORKING, THOSE CITIZEN SUBCOMMITTEES COULD BE MAKING PROGRESS ON THOSE.
IT DOESN'T INVOLVE FINANCE STAFF AND THAT THOSE SUBCOMMITTEES CAN WORK TOGETHER AND NOT TAKE UP FINANCE DEPARTMENT STAFF TIME.
NOW, A COUPLE, WELL, I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE DISALLOWED TO KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT, BUT A COUPLE OF THINGS I WANTED TO ADDRESS.
UH, MR. HENRY, UH, SAYING THAT THE FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE HASN'T BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE AUDIT UNTIL LIKE THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS WHEN DIDN'T ADDRESS, I DIDN'T SAY WASN'T CONCERNED, BUT WE DIDN'T ADDRESS IT WELL, BUT, BUT, UH, BUT IT'S NOT, UM, IF, IF, IF PEOPLE SORT OF AS, AS YOU SEE THE, THIS THING OVER TIME, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY COULD DO ANYTHING ABOUT.
I MEAN, THERE, THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE, THEIR, THEIR JOB IS TO REVIEW THE AUDIT WHEN IT'S DONE.
NOT, NOT LIKE, LIKE MICROMANAGE.
WHY ISN'T THE THIS DEPARTMENT OR THAT DEPARTMENT, YOU KNOW, AND WHY ARE WE TWO YEARS BEHIND? THEY DON'T HAVE THAT PURVIEW.
UH, AND IT'S VERY COMPLICATED THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN ME GOING ROUND AND ROUND, HOW DO WE EXPLAIN THIS? UM, SO THERE'S THAT.
UM, HAD THE BOARD, MY MEMORY, HAD THE BOARD BEEN THE FOUNDATION AUDIT COMMITTEE, IT WOULD'VE PUT MORE LIGHT ON IT EARLIER, I THINK.
WELL, I, AGAIN, I, I'M NOT SURE THAT'S THE CASE.
'CAUSE I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD TWO YEARS AND, AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I GUESS I WAS A BEGINNER LAST YEAR AND NOT EVEN A, NOT A PRO YET, YOU KNOW, BUT, BUT, UH, I'M LEARNING TOO FAST
I MEAN, THAT'S THE KIND OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
I THINK IT'S, IT'S PUT BEFORE THE HORSE SAY, WELL, LET'S SUSPEND OR SUSPEND THIS COMMITTEE.
UH, IT'S, IT'S, LET'S, LET'S ADDRESS IT FOR WHAT IT IS.
AND AGAIN, I STARTED THIS WHOLE PROCESS WITH, UM, ASKING, UH, MRS. KOHLERS, YOU KNOW, PUT ME ON WHATEVER COMMITTEES YOU THINK I'M A FIT FOR.
UM, AND WHEN I, WHEN I WASN'T ON THIS COMMITTEE, I THOUGHT, WELL, SOMEBODY ELSE WAS A BETTER FIT.
I DIDN'T KNOW NOBODY'S ON THE COMMITTEE.
UM, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I'M TRYING TO HANG ON TO, BUT I THINK THE VALUE OF THE CITIZEN COMMITTEE FOR THIS FUNCTION, UH, IS IMPORTANT.
AND EVEN IN LIGHT OF THE CHALLENGES WE'RE NOW FACING.
AND, AND TO BE HONEST, YOU KNOW, HAVING BARRY DUNN, UM, ON THE R ON ON OUR PROJECT AND, AND HAVING THE SUCCESS THAT THAT'S BEEN SEEN WITH THE DI MINIMUS, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, RECONCILIATIONS WE'RE, WE'RE GETTING THERE.
IT'S, IT'S THE, THE, THE, I I, I HOPE I DON'T CURSE, CURSE THIS, BUT WE'RE KIND OF CRESTING THE HILL ON THE EFFORT LEVEL.
SO FINGERS CROSSED I DID GET THAT FEELING FROM STAFF REPORTS AND STUFF THAT WE ARE MADAM CHAIRMAN, CAN WE GO BACK TO WHAT'S ON THE TABLE? AND THAT'S TO APPOINT THE COMMITTEE I WAS GONNA SAY, AND THEN I WOULD SUGGEST TO POINT EM IN IF YOU WANNA LEAVE AND I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO MR. HE SINCE HE BROUGHT IT UP.
IF YOU WANNA LEAVE THOSE SEATS VACANT FOR NOW, UM, AND THEN WE CAN MOVE ON.
I MEAN, THE COMMITTEE IS SITTING A SITTING COMMITTEE AND, AND I AM ON THE COMMITTEE.
SO IF YOU, WHAT YOU NEED TO DO IS REMOVE ME FROM THE COMMITTEE, UH, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU, IF YOU WANT NOBODY TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO MR. HENRY.
I DON'T WANNA BE ON THAT COMMITTEE.
OH, IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE TWO MEMBERS.
WE DIDN'T HAVE TO REAPPOINT TWO MEMBERS TONIGHT.
OR WE COULD JUST LEAVE IT VACANT UNTIL WE CAN PUT THIS ON AS AN AGENDA ITEM.
NOT, THERE'S A LOT OF COMMITTEES ON HERE THAT AREN'T TWO PEOPLE YOU YEAH, BUT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE NO, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE, BUT THAT'S TYPICALLY HOW THAT ONE HAD BEEN.
I'M GONNA INVITE YOU RIGHT ONTO IT.
YOU DON'T, YOU COME ONTO THE COMMITTEE.
YOU, YOU DON'T WANT ME ON THERE ALL THE TIME? I DON'T THINK ONCE A MONTH.
WHY DON'T WE, I WOULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT WE LEAVE IT BLANK AND WE, I WILL PUT THIS ON THE FIRST, UM, AGENDA OF FEBRUARY TO MAKE A DECISION, AND THAT IS BEFORE THE NEXT MEETING.
UH, SO THAT WON'T HALT ANYTHING IN THE PROCESS.
AND WE CAN MAKE THAT DECISION AT THAT TIME AFTER SOME DISCUSSION AT THAT MEETING.
I'M SORRY, YOU WERE SAYING PUT THAT ON WHAT OF MEETING FEBRUARY? UH, FIRST MEETING OF FEBRUARY? YES.
THE ONLY THING WITH THAT IS, LIKE I SAID, THE PARAMETERS OF THAT FIRST MEETING IS SUPPOSED TO BE MAINLY HOUSE CLEANING, UH, AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL THINGS.
AND I, AND, AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT EITHER WAY.
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ITEM OR IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME, SOME, UH, MORE INPUT.WELL, I THINK PUBLIC VISIBILITY IN THIS IS PRETTY HIGH BECAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS LIKE A CORE FINANCIAL MATTER OF THE COUNTY AND WE'RE, IF, IF I, BECAUSE IT'S STILL A PUBLIC MEETING THOUGH, BUT IT'S, IT'S DAYTIME WITH LIMITED, JUST THROWING IT LIMITED VIEWERS.
THERE ARE MANY COMMITTEE MEETINGS THAT WE CANCEL THE MEETING AND DON'T HAVE IT.
THE INFORMATION THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING IS IN OUR PACKET THAT IS PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC.
WE ARE NOT STOPPING THEIR VIEW OF ANYTHING THAT IS DISCUSSED IN THAT MEETING.
AND REALLY, IF YOU DON'T GET ON THERE AND SEE THE MINUTES AND THE MINUTES ARE NOT THERE CURRENTLY BECAUSE THE STAFF HAS BEEN SO BUSY, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET IT, NOBODY KNOWS EXCEPT WHO ATTENDED THAT MEETING WHEN IT WENT ON ANYWAY.
SO THE TRANSPARENCY IS NOT BEING AFFECTED.
I I JUST HAVE ASKED THE QUESTION SINCE ITS INCEPTION, WHAT'S ITS ROLE? I PERSONALLY NEVER GOT A GOOD, I IDEA.
I DIDN'T START THE TOPIC AT THE LAST FINANCE MEETING.
THE TWO MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE ASKED ME, AND THE ONE MEMBER SAID HE AGREED THAT REORGANIZATION NEED TO BE DONE BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE A CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE GOALS WERE AND THAT THEY WERE ALL OVER THE PLACE.
AND HE'S BEEN THERE SINCE ITS INCEPTION.
I'LL TELL YOU WHAT, IT'S, IT'S KIND OF, AND YOU, I GAVE YOU YOUR TIME, SIR.
AND MY PRIORITY HERE IS MRS. SCOTT AND HER STAFF BEING ABLE TO DEVOTE THEIR TIME TO GET THIS AUDIT DONE.
I'M NOT TRYING TO OBSTRUCT ANYBODY'S TRANSPARENCY OR KNOWLEDGE OR INFORMATION.
I'M TRYING TO HELP SOMEONE WHO'S BEEN HERE TILL ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND HER STAFF TO, TO GET THIS DONE AND BE FOCUSED ON THAT AND NOT ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHY ARE WE BUYING BOOTS FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT STAFF AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS THAT TAKES UP PER TIME TO, TO DISSEMINATE THE QUESTIONS OUT, TO GET THE INFORMATION OUT, TO PUT THE AGENDA TOGETHER.
THAT WAS AN HOUR AND A HALF MEETING THAT ENDED UP WITH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING PRODUCTIVE DONE.
AND I CAN'T SEE CONTINUING TO DO THAT TO THE STAFF WHEN THEY, THAT TAKES THEIR TOTAL FOCUS OFF OF WHAT OUR NUMBER ONE PRIORITY IS.
AND WE ALL HAVE AGREED ON THAT AND GET THE AUDIT DONE.
SO SUSPENDING ONE MEETING AND TRYING TO REORGANIZE TO MAKE THIS THING MORE FUNCTIONAL AND PRODUCTIVE.
I'VE EVEN HAD PEOPLE FROM THE COM, UH, COMMUNITY THAT HAVE SAT IN SIT THAT IT'S A MESS AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO.
SO MR. MR. HAM'S INDICATED WE WOULDN'T REALLY BE ABLE TO VOTE ON THAT.
ALL WE'RE DOING THIS COMMITTEE STUFF, RIGHT? WELL, I'M JUST YOU SO PUTTING IT OUT THERE THAT WE GET IT ON THE NEXT AGENDA.
YEAH, WELL, WE, WE CAN, OF COURSE WE COULD DO WHATEVER WITH IT THEN.
SO, UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY ASSIGNMENTS, BUT IT, SO I COULD, I COULD MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS AS PRESENTED, WHICH WOULD LEAVE YOU ON AND THEN WE JUST WELL, IT WOULD, IT WOULD.
IT'S TBD, SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT.
WELL, WE WOULD, WE WOULD JUST DO IT AT THE, UH, AT THE NEXT MEETING WHEN WE HAVE A FULL DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FINANCE AND AUDIT COMMITTEE.
AND IF YOU'RE DOING, UH, I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR APPROVE THE 26 6 BOARD AND COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS.
I THINK SUPERVISOR COLORS HAD A CHANGE HERE.
AND MR SO YOU SHOULD INCLUDE THAT IF YOU AGREED WITH THAT CHANGE THAT SHE HAD.
THERE'S ONE THING I WOULD ASK, AND THAT IS THAT IF, IF SOMEONE SAYS THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOALS OF THE COMMITTEE ARE, THEN THEY SHOULD READ THE BYLAWS.
'CAUSE THE, AND THAT'S WHAT WE DID DURING THAT MEETING.
AND YOU SAID YOU DIDN'T HAVE 'EM IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO, UH, YOU MUST KNOW WHAT THE DOCUMENTATION IS PRESENTLY.
AND, AND IT SAYS IN THERE WHAT IT IS.
SO IF THERE'S A CRITICISM OF WHAT IT SAYS OR A DESIRE TO CHANGE WHAT THOSE GOALS ARE, THAT IS VALID.
BUT TO SAY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GOALS ARE, WELL, THEY'RE THERE TO, TO BE DISCOVERED BY READING IT AND, AND CHANGING IT IS A VALID THING.
BRING IT UP, LET'S CHANGE IT IF THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND I, I THINK, I THINK THE, THE, THE RHETORIC IS GETTING A LITTLE, UM, YOU KNOW, SAYING IT'S A MESS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S, I, THAT'S JUST, YEAH, WELL GO AHEAD.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE 2026 BOARD AND COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENTS WITH THE CHANGE THAT MS. COLOR HAD, UH, ADVISED WITH, UH, MR. MEYER.
IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL.
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AYE.ANY ADDITIONAL? I THINK WE'RE UP TO ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS HEARING ON BOARD
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REPORTS.MR. STAN MEYER? UM, JUST ONE THING I WANTED TO, UM, I'M SURE EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THE, THE MULTIPLE FIRE AND RESCUE IN INCIDENTS TWO NIGHTS AGO, UH, GUARD HILL ROAD, UH, AND THEN THE FIRE AT THE THEATER ON MAIN STREET.
AND SO I JUST WANT TO THANK THE FIRE AND RESCUE.
UM, I THINK ALMOST EVERY STATION WAS, UH, IN RESPONSE TO ONE OR BOTH OF THOSE AND SEVERAL MUTUAL AID, UM, JURISDICTIONS FROM A SURROUNDING LOCALITIES, INCLUDING SOME FURTHER AWAY ONES AS WELL.
AND SO OUR, OUR, UH, DEPARTMENT WAS REALLY TAPPED OUT, BUT DID REALLY GREAT WORK TOO.
AND THE THEATER WILL BE OPEN AGAIN BEFORE WE KNOW IT.
UM, MY, UM, UH, REGRETS TO THE, TO THE LOSS OF, UH, UM, THE BUSINESS, UH, TEMPORARILY TO MR. NOVAK, UH, FOR THAT THEATER AND TO THE COMMUNITY.
'CAUSE THAT THEATER IS LEGENDARY.
IT'S, IT'S A LANDMARK AND IT'S A HUGE PART OF THIS COMMUNITY.
UH, AND, UH, OBVIOUSLY THE LIFE THAT WAS LOST ON GUARD HILL IS, IS TRAGIC.
UM, THAT WAS THROUGH NO FAULT TO THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
THEY WERE, UH, DEAD DEAD, UM, WHEN THEY ARRIVED.
AND, UM, BUT IT WAS, IT JUST SHOWS THOUGH, UH, REALLY WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WITH THE, WITH THE WILDFIRES, YOU KNOW, HOW QUICKLY WE CAN BE, UH, STRETCHED COMPLETELY BEYOND OUR RESOURCES.
AND SO I, I KNOW THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS COMPETING FOR MONEY THIS YEAR.
UM, AND FIRE AND RESCUE'S GOTTEN SOME LOVE IN THE PAST COUPLE CYCLES, BUT I JUST WANT TO JUST POINT OUT THAT IT'S, IT'S STILL, UH, SOMETHING THAT, THAT VERY QUICKLY COULD BE DEPLETED AND, UH, WE NEED TO KEEP INVESTING THERE.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO, NO FURTHER THINGS TO REPORT.
UH, WEDNESDAY THE AFER MENTIONED, UH, FINANCE AUDIT COMMITTEE REPORT.
UH, THE PRIMARY THING TO REPORT THERE IS THAT THE, THE CONSULTANT BARRY DON, THAT WE'VE HAD UNDER CONTRACT, UH, WAS VERY EFFECTIVE.
OUR FINANCE DEPARTMENT WAS VERY PLEASED, UH, WITH THEIR PERFORMANCE.
THEY HAVE, UH, RECONCILED THE, THEY DID THE WORK THEY NEEDED TO DO, UM, TO DI MINIMIS OR OUR ZERO NUMBER, UH, WHICH MEANS OUR, OUR AUDITORS CAN GET TO WORK.
UM, AND THE, UH, BUDGET THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR THEM AS HAS, UM, REALLY NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE.
SO, UH, I THINK THEY SPENT SOMEONE LIKE 55% OF IT SO FAR.
SO THAT'S ALL ENCOURAGING NEWS AND I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS OUR CONSULTANT FOR GETTING THAT DONE.
UM, AGAIN, THAT, THAT'S SORT OF THE BASIS FOR MY COMMENT FOR HOPING WE'RE CRESTING THE HILL, BUT THE, THE NEWS LOOKS GOOD IN TERMS OF PERHAPS USING SOME OF THAT MONEY.
WE'LL PROBABLY BE SEEING A PROPOSAL FROM FINANCE DEPARTMENT PRETTY SOON TO USE THE, THE ROLLOVER, UH, THE UNUSED FUNDS FROM THAT CONTRACT TO HAVE THE SAME HIGH PERFORMING CONSULTANT HELP US KEEP, KEEP THE TRAINING JUGGING FOR THE 25 AUDIT.
OH, I'D, I'D ALSO LIKE TO EXTEND A BIG THANK YOU TO FIRE AND RESCUE AND, UH, ESPECIALLY OUR NEIGHBOR IN COUNTIES.
IT'S, UH, IT'S NICE TO KNOW WHEN YOU'RE STRETCHED THIN THAT, UH, YOU GOT SOME NEIGHBORS THAT'LL JUMP IN THERE AND, UH, AND HELP YOU.
AND, UH, AND, UH, I HOPE SOMEDAY THAT IF, IF THEY NEED US, WE CAN, WE CAN ALSO, UH, EXTEND OUR HAND THE WAY THEY THEY DID TO US.
AND THEN, UH, UH, VERY EXCITED THAT, UH, BARRY DUNN'S MOVING THE RIGHT WAY.
AND THEN, UH, WE HAD HOPEFULNESS, I REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS ORIGINALLY VOTED ON THAT IT WOULD BE ENOUGH TO, FOR THEM JUST TO KEEP ON ROLLING, SO TO SPEAK, TO GET US ALL WAY UP TO DATE.
AND, UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT IF, UH, IF EVERYTHING CONTINUES MOVING AS IT IS.
ONE ABOUT THE, UH, THE FOLKS WHO'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT, UH, HIGH TOP ROAD AND THE WELLS AND THE WHOLE THING AND UH, YEAH, A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY LESSON.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE COUNTY DIDN'T HAVE ANY ZONING IN PLACE TILL LIKE 1969 AND WHEN THEY, THEY WERE DOING, GONNA DO THAT, THAT'S WHEN A LOT OF THE, THE PEOPLE THAT OWNED LAND, THEY WENT OUT THERE AND THEY HAD IT SURVEYED AND WE CAME UP WITH A WHOLE LOT OF QUARTER ACRE LOTS.
I WAS TOLD THAT LIKE ACROSS, UM, HAD APPLE MOUNTAIN, THAT THEY WERE OUT THERE IN THE SLEET AND SNOW AND COLD WEATHER, MAKING SURE THEY GET THEIR QUARTER ACRE LOTS IN.
AND THEN I THINK IN THE NINETIES THE GENTLEMAN LIVED UP ON, UH, SKYLINE STATES, JOHN RIZZO, I THINK.
HE, HE GOT, 'CAUSE THEY HAD SO MANY QUARTER ACRE LOTS AND
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IT WAS VERY EASY TO PLOT OFF A QUARTER ACRE LOT ON A TWO DIMENSIONAL MAP WITHOUT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE TOPOGRAPHY.BUT HE WAS ABLE TO GET 'EM TO AT LEAST, I THINK, TO COMBINE SOME.
AND I THINK WHAT THE LADY SAID TOO, THERE ARE THREE LOTS WITH WELLS, LESS THAN 50 FEET APART FROM EACH OTHER.
THAT MIGHT HAVE BEEN WHAT HE WAS UP TO TOO, AS FAR AS WE DID.
WE UPDATED THE ORDINANCE TO TOWN AND I THINK MR. HENRY KNOWS THIS, UH, JUST AS WELL.
NOT BETTER THAN I, BUT I THINK WITH THE STATE REGS THERE'S ONE FOOT DISTANCE BETWEEN A A WELL, AND WE MADE AT 50.
WELL, THERE WAS, I THOUGHT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS THE, UM, WELL, WELL THE WELL IS A HUNDRED.
SO STATE CODE IS REALLY ZERO, BUT IT'S FIVE OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO IF THEY'RE OPPOSING PROPERTIES, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE 10 FEET APART.
WELL, WHAT'S THE DIFF, I THOUGHT I THOUGHT IT WAS 50 FOR, WELL, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS A HUNDRED BETWEEN THE WELL AND THE CONTAMINATION SOURCE AND THE STATE WAS AT 50.
YOU'RE ON THAT COMMITTEE NOW, SO YEAH.
BUT I THOUGHT, WELL, WELL, BUT ANYWAY, JUST LIKE I SAID, THIS AN ISSUE, UH, NOT ONLY HERE, BUT I'M SURE IN OTHER LOCALITIES AND I DON'T KNOW.
AND I THINK STAFF HAS STARTED TO LOOK INTO IT.
AND THERE AGAIN, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THESE LOTS, LOTS ARE ALREADY PLATTED OFF.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S ANYTHING WE CAN DO OTHER THAN, LIKE I SAID, THE DROUGHT.
'CAUSE IT IS GONNA CREATE PROBLEMS IF YOU PUT ANOTHER X AMOUNT OF LOTS IN THE PLACES WHERE WELLS ARE ALREADY GOING DRY.
SO I DON'T KNOW HOW WE CAN ADDRESS THAT.
WHEN ONCE A SUBDIVISION IS PLATTED, IT'S PLATTED AND THE, UH, THE RULES ON, UM, WHO GETS TO DO WELLS.
I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND I KNOW IF IT'S A INDUSTRIAL, WELL THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO CONSIDER OTHER WATER USERS AND GIVE, UM, PRIORITY TO RESIDENTIAL.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RULES ARE WITH REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALREADY A LOT OF WELLS THERE.
I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT THOSE RULES ARE.
UM, WE, WE'VE, I'VE WORKED ON THIS WITH MY PARTNER JORDAN AND TALKED TO CHASE ABOUT IT ALSO IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THERE'S SOME ROAD ISSUES THERE AS WELL.
AND SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF ISSUES WITH HAVING A PLATTED SUBDIVISION THAT'S VERY ALL OLD.
YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF A SANITARY DISTRICT, UM, CAN BE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC WATER.
YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ANOTHER WAY TO HANDLE THAT WOULD BE TO PROVIDE PUBLIC WATER TO THAT ENTIRE AREA.
NOW, OF COURSE, THAT'S GONNA BE EXPENSIVE AND NEEDS TO BE PAID FOR BY THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
AND SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE UNFORTUNATE SITUATION OF, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING PEOPLE PAYING FOR NEW PEOPLE, WHICH IS GONNA BE REALLY UNPOPULAR.
UM, BUT THOSE, THEY'RE PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS AND THERE'S PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THOSE EXIST AND CAN'T BE TAKEN AWAY WITHOUT COMPENSATION.
SO, YOU KNOW, THOSE ARE MY THOUGHTS ON THAT.
AND WE WERE PARTICULARLY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ROADS.
I MEAN, THAT'S THE REASON WHY WARREN COUNTY HAS SO MANY SUBDIVISIONS IS THAT YOUR PREDECESSORS DIDN'T REQUIRE VDOT STANDARDS FOR ROADS, WHICH, AND OF COURSE NOBODY REALIZES HOW EXPENSIVE IT IS TO MAINTAIN ROADS.
AND YOU, WE WOULDN'T VOLUNTARILY ALLOW A SUBDIVISION TO BE BUILT IN WARREN COUNTY WITHOUT VDOT STANDARDS FOR ROADS BECAUSE THEN IT'S DONE AND IT'S OFF.
YOU DON'T HAVE NOBODY, NO COUNTY RESIDENT HAS TO WORRY ABOUT IT ANYMORE.
BUT HERE YOU DON'T HAVE THAT CHOICE.
SO WE HAVE KIND OF LOOKED AT THAT A BIT AND, AND THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS FOR ROADS, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE PART OF THE VDOT SYSTEM.
IT'S STILL GONNA BE PART OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND HAVE TO BE KEPT UP, BUT LIKE THE REST OF 'EM, AND YOU ALL KNOW HOW EXPENSIVE THAT IS.
SO YEAH, IT'S NOT AN IDEAL SITUATION.
THIS HAS HAPPENED SEVERAL TIMES IN MY CAREER WHERE THESE PLANET SUBDIVISIONS WERE, YOU KNOW, DECADES OLD AND THEN SUDDENLY POP UP AND THEY DON'T, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T NECESSARILY MEET THE MODERN STANDARDS AND IT'S NOT A GREAT SITUATION I TALKED ABOUT WITH MY PARTNER.
WELL CAN WE MAKE IT SO THESE SUBDIVISION PLAT GO AWAY AT SOME CERTAIN POINT IN TIME? AND AND HIS ANSWER IS NO.
UM, BECAUSE IT DOES CREATE A A AND THIS ISN'T THE ONLY SITUATION BY THE WAY.
I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER THINGS IN THE COUNTY THAT ARE PLATTED SUBDIVISIONS THAT ARE GONNA, YOU KNOW, POP UP ONE DAY THAT YOU MAY OR MAY NOT WANT AND ARE ALREADY PLATTED.
THE OTHER THING TOO, EXCUSE ME.
UM, AND I KNOW SOME YEARS BACK THE POAS USED TO, UM, HAVE LIKE THEIR OWN ORGANIZATION MADE UP THEIR PRESIDENTS OR WHATEVER, AND THEY WOULD MEET ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, SEMI-ANNUALLY, AND THEY COULD DISCUSS ISSUES THAT WOULD, UM, PERTAIN TO THEM IE UH, SHORT TERM RENTALS, ROADS, UM, SOME OTHER THINGS TOO.
AND I WOULD JUST PROPOSE, EXCUSE ME, I WOULD PROPOSE, I DON'T KNOW IF, IF, IF, UH, UM, MR. HENDERSON, ZACH, YEAH.
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JUST TO PULL UP ALL THE SANITARY DISTRICTS POAS THAT WE HAVE IN THE COUNTY.I KNOW THAT, UH, STAN MEYER HAS, UH, AT LEAST CS FARM, CHANDRA SHORES AND THE WHOLE THING, THE REST OF YOU HAVE SOME SPREAD OUT.
AND THEN, UH, IF YOU GET THAT TO ME, I DON'T WANNA TAKE UP YOUR TIME, BUT YOU KNOW, WE CAN ALWAYS SEND OUT A LETTER AND SAY, HEY LOOK, HERE'S AN IDEA.
WE USED TO DO THIS IN THE PAST.
IF YOU ALL WANNA MEET AS A GROUP AND LOOK AT, UH, ISSUES THAT BECOME, UH, COME BEFORE US AS A BOARD, IT IMPACTS YOU ALL TOO.
THIS IS NOT A COMMITTEE APPOINTED BY THE, UH, THE BOARD.
IT'S ALL ON THEM, BUT IT'S JUST GIVING THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO THINK ABOUT IT.
'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE LEADERSHIP OF, UH, OF THE POAS CHANGES AND, AND SOMETIMES THEY DON'T REALIZE WHAT WAS AVAILABLE BEFORE.
LIKE I SAID, IF YOU WANNA GIMME THAT, THAT INFORMATION AND I WOULD SAY GIVE IT TO EACH, UH, SUPERVISOR TOO.
'CAUSE THEY MAY NOT BE ALL AWARE OF THE, THE POAS IN THEIR AREA TOO.
IF YOU GET THAT TO ME, WE'LL GO FROM THERE.
I AM JUST GONNA NARROW MINE DOWN TO A FEW THINGS.
I DO WANNA THANK OUR FIRE AND RESCUE AND ALL THE COMMUNITY OUTSIDE COMMUNITIES FOR THEIR EFFORT.
I, I WILL REMEMBER WHEN THE UM, EAST END OF MAIN STREET BURNED, UM, AND WHAT A CATASTROPHE THAT WAS.
AND THIS COULD HAVE BEEN A REENACTMENT OF THAT IF IT HADN'T BEEN FOR THE, UM, QUICK RESPONSE AND SO FORTH THAT THEY DID.
UM, DID WANT AT THE BUILDING COMMITTEE, UM, I BROUGHT UP A COUPLE OF THINGS AND I JUST WANTED TO PUT A THANK YOU OUT MS. MEADOWS TO WHOEVER FIXED THE DOOR OPENER AT THE FRONT.
I WAS ALWAYS WORRIED I WAS GONNA BE THE ONE TO KNOCK IT ON THE GROUND.
UM, AND UM, GONNA SKIP DOWN HERE TO THE TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS ONE OF THE BEST LIAISON MEETINGS WE'VE HAD IN QUITE A WHILE.
UM, WE HAVE AGREED TO HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSIONS ON, UM, JOINT EDA AGAIN AND UM, CLEARED UP SOME CONFUSION ON THE TOURISM AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THEY UNDERSTAND NOW HOW WELL THIS TOURISM GROUP IS WORKING WITH TOWN AS WELL.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE TIPPING FEES AND WE DIDN'T END UP IN A FIST FIGHT OVER THOSE, WHICH IS NICE.
AND UM, SO I WAS JUST REALLY PLEASED IF NO ONE'S HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT, UM, YOU MIGHT WANNA TAKE A LISTEN TO IT.
UM, AS FAR AS THE, THE WELLS AND SO FORTH, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE AGAIN, I KNOW, AND I'M NOT WANTING TO BE AN I TOLD YOU SO PERSON, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN WE WERE DOING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND I, I'VE SAID IT EVER SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD BECAUSE I LIVE IN THE RURAL AREA AND WELLS AND ON AND UH, SEPTIC TANKS.
WHEN WE LOOK AT ACCESSORY DWELLINGS AND ACREAGE AND THINGS FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND SO FORTH, WE REALLY HAVE TO START BEING MORE COGNIZANT OF THE FACT THAT THE WELLS JUST CAN'T SUPPORT LOWER DENSITY.
UM, AND I THINK THAT'S, WE CAN'T FIX WHAT'S ALREADY BEEN PLATTED, BUT I THINK WE, WE'VE GOTTA REALLY BE AWARE OF THAT FOR THE FUTURE BECAUSE, UM, WATER IS REALLY BECOMING, I MEAN WE, I WORRY TOO.
I KNOW THE, UM, SPONGY MALLS AND THE TREES.
THEY SAID, OH, WE GOT ALL THAT RAIN BACK LAST SUMMER.
WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
THE FUNGUS IS GONNA GROW AND THE TREE'S GONNA TAKE CARE OF THEM.
WELL, THE RAIN LASTED TO ABOUT THE MIDDLE OF JULY AND THEN IT SHUT OFF.
SO THE TREES REALLY ARE NOT, I DON'T THINK WE'RE GONNA BE IN A HEALTHY SITUATION MOVING FORWARD.
IT MIGHT KNOCK 'EM A LITTLE BIT FOR THIS SUMMER, BUT IF WE HAVE ANOTHER DRY SUMMER, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE RIGHT BACK WITH THE MALLS JUST EATING THE TREES ALIVE.
UM, SO I REALLY WOULD LIKE TO GET BACK AND LOOK AT THAT PROGRAM AND IF THE STATE CONTINUES TO HAVE SOME MONEY TO TRY TO REMEDIATE THAT, I, I'D LIKE TO GET ON BOARD WITH THAT.
UM, AND I'LL JUST FOREGO THE REST OF IT 'CAUSE IT'S GETTING LATE.
BUT, UM, ONE THING I DID WANT MR. SHAW, I ASKED YOU ABOUT GETTING THE DRAFT BUDGET AND YOU TOLD ME IT WASN'T QUITE READY AND I ASKED WHEN IT WAS GONNA BE AND YOU NEVER RESPONDED.
CAN YOU GIMME AN IDEA BECAUSE WE'RE GETTING DOWN TO WHERE MEETINGS ARE GONNA START AND I'D LIKE TO HAVE IT.
UM, I'D LIKE MINE AND PAPER 'CAUSE I DON'T DO WELL ON THE COMPUTER WITH IT TO BE ABLE TO GO OVER AND START FORMULATING MY QUESTIONS AND UNDERSTANDING OF WHERE THE
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BUDGET'S GOING.UH, YEAH, I MEAN, SO, SO I, UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T GIVE YOU, I I I CAN'T GIVE YOU AN EXACT DATE.
I, IT'S, IT'S, I MEAN, JUST BEING FRANK, IT'S, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THOSE SITUATIONS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE LAST MINUTE, UH, THAT, UH, UH, WITH REGARD TO, UM, WHEN THE AGENDA PACKET IS, IS UH, PUBLISHED, UM, JUST BECAUSE THERE'S SO MUCH WORK INVOLVED IN PUTTING THAT TOGETHER, IT'S NOT JUST SOMETHING THAT I HAVE LYING AROUND THAT I CAN GIVE TO YOU RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT I'LL BE WORKING ON RIGHT UP UNTIL THE, THE MOMENT I HAVE TO PUBLISH.
UM, SO I'LL, I'LL TRY TO GET IT TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND IF, IF, UM, IF I DO, UH, GET IT COMPLETE, UM, BEFORE THAT POINT, I'LL CERTAINLY GET IT OUT TO YOU.
BUT, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE IT'S GONNA BE CRAMMED UNTIL UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
ALSO, THE SCHEDULE YOU SENT OUT TO US, AND I SENT YOU MY CONCERNS WITH THAT, UM, WE CANNOT HAVE A BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING AT 1:00 PM IN THE AFTERNOON.
SO IF WE, IF I NEED TO CALL A SPECIAL MEETING TO KEEP YOU ON TRACK WITH YOUR DATES FOR THAT EVENING AT SEVEN, I'M, I'LL BE HAPPY TO DO THAT.
BUT A PUBLIC HEARING AT ONE O'CLOCK JUST CANNOT HAPPEN.
UH, WELL THAT CERTAINLY IS, UH, YOUR PREROGATIVE AND, AND THE BOARD'S DESIRE WITH REGARD TO, UM, EITHER PARDON ME KEEPING THAT, THAT, UH, APRIL 20TH DATE, UH, UH, FOR FINALIZATION AND ADOPTION, UM, OR LIKE YOU SAID, UH, CALLING A SPECIAL MEETING TO, TO, TO WORK WITHIN THAT PARAMETER.
THAT'S CERTAINLY, IT'S, UM, THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT WE CAN DO, UM, IS, IS TO, UH, IS TO EITHER MOVE THE APRIL 20TH DATE FURTHER OR, OR CALL THIS SPECIAL MEETING.
NO, ONE O'CLOCK IN THE AFTERNOON DEFINITELY WOULD NOT GO OVER WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S, SO MANY PEOPLE WOULD NOT HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY BE IN WORKING, WHETHER THEY WORK IN TOWN OR OUT OF TOWN.
ONE O'CLOCK IS JUST, WE, WE JUST DON'T DO THEM.
THEY'RE ALWAYS IN THE EVENINGS.
LIKE I HAD MENTIONED, I I THINK REALLY, AND NOT TO, NOT TO BE FLIPPANT ABOUT IT, BUT THE, THAT, THAT PUBLIC HEARING MORE THAN ANY OTHER PUBLIC HEARING IS, IS REALLY PRO FORMA.
I MEAN, IT'S FOUR MONTHS UP UNTIL THAT POINT, THE BOARD PUBLICLY IN THE MORNING, YOU KNOW, DURING THE DAY IN THE EVENING WILL HAVE HAD BUDGET WORKSHOPS, UM, WILL HAVE LISTENED TO THE DEPARTMENTAL BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, WILL HAVE PUBLICLY, UM, HAD DISCUSSIONS AND, AND UH, UH, MEETINGS DURING WHICH YOU AS A BODY ARE, YOU KNOW, DELIBERATING THE BUDGET.
AND, AND, UH, AND, AND ALSO I I, I DON'T HAVE IT, UH, ACTUALLY I DO, UM, THE, UH, MARCH 10TH MEETING, UM, IN THE EVENING, THE BOARD WILL, WILL HAVE THEIR KIND OF, THEIR FINAL, UH, OPPORTUNITY TO, TO MAKE, UM, MARKUP OR MARK DOWNS, UM, PUBLICLY.
SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT AS THOUGH THAT IF WE WERE TO GO THAT ROUTE, THAT 1:00 PM PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE THE, THE ONE AND ONLY CHANCE, UM, FOR PUBLIC TO TAKE PART IN THAT, THAT PROCESS.
UM, BUT, BUT LIKE I SAID, THAT'S CER I, I UNDERSTAND IT'S THE DESIRE OF THE BOARD TO, TO NOT HAVE PUBLIC HEARINGS DURING THE DAY.
SO CERTAINLY YOUR PREROGATIVE TO TO TO, UM, THE BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING CAN RUN ONE OF TWO WAYS.
YOU CAN HAVE AS MANY PEOPLE AS IS HERE RIGHT NOW, OR YOU CAN HAVE THIS WHOLE ROOM FULL AND THE HALLWAY FULL.
AND I CERTAINLY AM NOT GONNA MOVE THAT FROM THE A TIME ZONE THAT GIVES THE MOST PEOPLE THE BENEFIT TO COME AND SPEAK THEIR PEACE.
SO ANY OTHER REPORT YOU HAVE, UM, JUST, JUST JUST TO WRAP THAT CONVERSATION UP, ARE, ARE YOU GONNA GET TO ME YOUR, YOU WANT ME TO UPDATE THIS CALENDAR REGARDING THE DATE THAT YOU SELECT AS THE SPECIAL MEETING OR, OR SEND THAT? IF YOU'RE SAYING IT'S GOT TO BE APRIL 7TH, THEN WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE APRIL 7TH NECESSARILY.
I JUST, THAT WAS JUST FITTING WITHIN THE, THE PRE-EXISTING BOARD SCHEDULE.
UM, I'M JUST SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF, IF YOU HAVE, IF, IF WE ARE KEEPING TO THE APRIL 21ST BOARD ADOPTION, WE HAVE TO WORK BACK FROM THERE TO, TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE, UM, THE, UH, THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE.
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GOTTA SWITCH ONE OF THOSE MEETINGS TO, THAT WOULD NORMALLY BE A DAY BECAUSE IT'S THAT BUDGET MEETING OR AT A MEETING, UH, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EVEN ONE IF THAT, IF THAT HELPS RESOLVE THE ISSUE.CAN I ASK A QUESTION REAL QUICK? JUST AS FAR AS THE TIME SAY WE ADOPTED? THANK YOU.
UH, SAY WE ADOPT THE BUDGET ON THE 21ST.
WHAT I REMEMBER, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING SEVEN DAYS PRIOR FOR THE ADOPTION.
SO WE COULD HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THE 14TH.
WE MAKE NO DECISION THAT DAY AND THEN WE HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION TO ADOPT IT ON THE 21ST.
AND I THINK IT WOULD STILL KEEP THE TIMELINE, I DUNNO WHAT ELSE GOING ON UNTIL, UH, THE, THE, UH, THE 14TH.
BUT THAT COULD BE A, A EVENING MEETING AND THAT SHOULD STILL FIT THE TIMELINE TO GET THE BUDGET COMPLETED BY, UM, UH, APRIL 21 DATE.
I LIKE THAT ACTUALLY THE 14TH, UH, I LIKE PUT A LITTLE BIT MORE ROOM AFTER THE EASTER HOLIDAY TEAM.
UM, MORE PEOPLE COULD PROBABLY COME.
I ONLY SAID THE SEVENTH BECAUSE WHEN I HAD VOICED MY CONCERN IN AN EMAIL, HE SAID IT HAD TO BE THAT DAY TO KEEP HIM ON SCHEDULE.
SO I SAID, WELL THEN IF IT HAS TO BE THAT DAY, THEN WE'LL CALL A SPECIAL MEETING AT SEVEN BECAUSE WE EXTRA TIME AND HELP YOU NOT HURT YOU.
I DON'T THINK I WOULD GO ALONG WITH THE SEVENTH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE IS GOING ON THAT THAT DAY MEETING STARTS MORNING.
IT MAKES A LONG DAY FOR US, WHICH IS FINE.
THAT'S WHAT WE GET TO PAY BIG BUCKS FOR.
BUT IT SEEMS LIKE TO ME IF THE 14TH WOULD WORK, I'M FOR THE 14TH, IF THAT WORKS, WE GO WITH THAT.
LET'S DO IT THE 14TH AT 6:00 AM ALL RIGHT.
ANY FURTHER REPORT? I JUST HAD
I WOULDN'T TYPICALLY GO TO THAT.
IS THAT ALL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT SHOULD BE OKAY.
I THINK I'LL ADUR I THOUGHT HE HAD A COUPLE OTHER THINGS.
MR. HAM, I JUST HAVE A 45 MINUTE PRESENTATION, WHICH I'LL TRY TO AGAIN, I HAVE NO COMMENTS,
EVERYBODY'S THINKING WELL, ALL RIGHT.
I THINK THAT ROUNDS US UP IF I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN.
EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME.