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ALL RIGHT. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION MARCH 2ND, 2026. 
          AND FIRST 
          [A.1. Information Technology - Todd Jones, IT Director]
UP ON THE AGENDA IS INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. 
          MR. JONES, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT BEING THE FIRST INTERNAL DEPARTMENT FOR WARREN COUNTY PRESENTING A BUDGET, I SHOULD GET 20 BONUS POINTS, WHICH WILL GET ME ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, BUT IT WILL ALLOW ME TO TELL JOHN THAT I HAVE 20 BONUS POINTS AND HE DOESN'T. 
          SO, UM, I HAVE A BRIEF NARRATIVE I WANNA READ TO YOU GUYS, AND THEN WE'LL GET INTO THE BUDGET A BIT AND THEN ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          UM, IN MARCH, 2021, THE COUNTY BECAME VICTIMS OF A STATE SPONSORED CHINESE HACKING GROUP CALLED HAEM, AS WAS MOST OF THE WORLDWIDE SYSTEMS THAT RELIED ON ON-PREMISES, UM, SELF MAINTAINED MAIL SERVERS. 
          THE CAUSE OF THE ISSUE WAS LACK OF MAINTENANCE O AND OVERSIGHT ON THESE CRITICAL MAIL SERVERS, AS WELL AS AN ATTACK FROM AN, UH, FROM CHINA. 
          QUITE FRANKLY, THE COUNTY WAS WITHOUT ITS NETWORKING COMPUTER SERVICES FOR SEVERAL WEEKS SOMETIME WE BELIEVE AROUND MAY, 2019, THE WARREN COUNTY NEC PHONE SYSTEM FAILED AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, DUE TO LACK OF MAINTENANCE, END OF LIFE, NO PARTS AVAILABILITY AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND I BELIEVE THE COUNTY WAS WITHOUT SERVICES ON THEIR PHONE SYSTEM FOR A FEW DAYS. 
          WHILE I BELIEVE MOST OF THE BOARD SUPERVISORS OF THAT TIME HAD BEEN DIS DISCUSSING INTERNALLY ABOUT STARTING AN IT DEPARTMENT, THEY OFFICIALLY TOOK ACTION IN AUGUST OF 2021. 
          AND I WAS HIRED TO START THE NEW DEPARTMENT THIS YEAR HERE IN 2026. 
          IN AUGUST, WE CELEBRATE OUR FIFTH ANNIVERSARY OF THE COUNTY'S NEWEST DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE EXCITED ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, AND, UM, I BELIEVE OUR MANDATE THEN AS WELL AS TODAY WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE TYPES OF INSTANCES DO NOT HAPPEN AGAIN. 
          AND TO PROVIDE LOW COST, HIGH VALUE SOLUTIONS TO PROTECT AND MAINTAIN COUNTY OWNED SYSTEMS, NETWORKS, COMPUTER SERVICES, SERVERS, AND IT RELATED HARDWARE. 
          UH, FOR REFERENCE, I JUST WANTED TO PULL SOME, SOME, SOME BASIC STATISTICS FOR YOU. 
          OVER THE LAST TWO WEEKS. 
          OUR SECURITY SYSTEMS RECORDED 312 ATTEMPTED CONNECTIONS TO OUR 25 DIFFERENT NETWORKS. 
          UM, WHILE SOME OF THOSE ARE JUST SIMPLY, UM, YOU KNOW, NOISE PEOPLE KIND OF KNOCK ON THE DOOR AND JIGGLE IN THE DOORBELL, OTHERS MIGHT BE MORE SIGNIFICANT THAN THAT, THE MOST, THE MOST FREQUENTLY TARGETED AREAS WHERE THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THIS BUILDING HERE IN PUBLIC SAFETY, THESE ALERTS, UM, LIKE I SAID, ARE COMMON BACKGROUND NOISE. 
          THEY'RE ALSO ATTEMPTS AND WE HAVE SECURITY CONTROLS THAT ARE DESIGNED TO DETECT AND BLOCK THIS TYPE OF ACTIVITY. 
          BELIEVE IT OR NOT, MOST OF THOSE REQUESTS ORIGINATED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN CANADA. 
          AND WE HAVE MANY MULTIPLE SYSTEMS OF PROTECTION IN PLACE, INCLUDING ACTIVE MONITORING OF OUR NETWORK, AUTOMATIC BLOCKING. 
          WE GEOBLOCK, UH, UH, TRAFFIC FROM 18 DIFFERENT COUNTRIES, AND WE CONTINUE TO REVIEW TRENDS AND, AND ENSURE OUR DEF OUR, UH, DEFENSE SYSTEMS WILL REMAIN COMPLETELY EFFECTIVE. 
          I WANNA TAKE YOU BACK TO THE TUESDAY BEFORE THANKSGIVING THIS YEAR. 
          ON THAT TUESDAY, I WAS DOWN IN JAN'S OFFICE AND ON MY PHONE I RECEIVED A TEXT MESSAGE FROM ANOTHER EMPLOYEE THAT SIMPLY SAID, MY COMPUTER HAS BEEN HACKED. 
          NOW, FOR AN IT GUY LIKE ME, HACK DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN ANYTHING. 
          IT MIGHT JUST BEEN A LOST FILE. 
          I WASN'T SURE WHAT WAS GOING ON, BUT I WAS A BIT CONCERNED ON THE LEFT JANICE'S OFFICE DOWN HERE TO GO BACK TO MY OFFICE AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE HALL, WHEN MY TEAM INFORMED ME THAT A USER HAD BEEN PHISHED AND THERE WAS UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS INTO THEIR ACCOUNT, AND THEY HAD FULL ACCESS TO THAT USER'S FILES AND EMAILS, MAKING THE LEAP FROM A USER ACCOUNT INTO THE BACKGROUND ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEMS IS NOT DIFFICULT FOR A GOOD HACKER. 
          A TEAM QUICKLY RESPONDED. 
          WE HAD, WE HAD THE UNAUTHORIZED USER OUT OF OUR SYSTEM, I'M TOLD WITHIN SECONDS. 
          UM, WE WENT THROUGH THE APPROPRIATE PROCESSES. 
          I CONTACTED THE, UH, I CALLED THE INCIDENT INTO THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. 
          WE HAD A TEAM COME IN AND DO A FORENSIC AUDIT TO SEE IF ANY DATA WAS STOLEN OR REMOVED. 
          THEY INDICATED THERE WERE NO FILES COPIED AND NO STOLEN DATA FROM THE USER'S ACCOUNT. 
          BY MONDAY, THE FOLLOWING WEEK AFTER THANKSGIVING, WE HAD THE ENTIRE OFFICE BACK ONLINE, AND THE USER WAS ALSO BACK ONLINE WITH THEIR ACCOUNT. 
          AND WE BEGAN OUR OWN ANALYSIS OF THE SITUATION. 
          WE LIMITED THE RISKS AND RESPONDED VERY QUICKLY BECAUSE OF EVERYONE'S GREAT TRAINING AND HAVING THE CORRECT TOOLS AVAILABLE. 
          THERE WAS NO REFLECTION OF THIS INCIDENT IN THE PRESS. 
          AND THERE HAVE NEVER, THERE HAVE NEVER, THERE HAVE NOT BEEN SIMILAR INSTANCES, UM, LIKE THAT SINCE THAT EVENT HAPPENED. 
          SPECIFICALLY, THE REASON WHY I TELL YOU THIS, AND THE REASON WHY I WANT YOU TO KNOW THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE PEOPLE THAT WE NEED. 
          BECAUSE WE'VE HAD THE EXCEPTIONAL SUPPORT FROM EACH OF YOU AND DIFFERENT BOARDS IN THE PAST, WE'RE ABLE TO DO OUR JOBS BECAUSE WE'RE ABLE TO HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE SYSTEMS WE NEED FROM EACH OF YOU. 
          AND WE CANNOT DO OUR JOB WITHOUT YOUR SUPPORT AS WELL. 
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MAINTAINING A, A, A DEPARTMENT AND STARTING AN IT DEPARTMENT IS NOT AN INEXPENSIVE THING. 
          WE'VE ALREADY SEEN HOW QUICKLY THINGS GROW IN PRICE. 
          UM, I WANNA PERSONALLY THANK ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT FINANCIALLY AND OPERATIONALLY, AND I INVITE ANY OF YOU TO STOP ANY TIME IN MY OFFICE, GIVE ME YOUR SUGGESTIONS OR RECOMMENDATIONS WE NEED TO WORK TOGETHER, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE ABLE TO DO SO. 
          THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. 
          LET ME GO OVER SOME BUDGET STUFF FOR YOU. 
          SO, IN OUR BUDGET, UM, IN OUR BUDGET REVIEW, I WANNA MENTION A COUPLE DIFFERENT SPECIFIC THINGS. 
          FIRST OFF, EVERYTHING IN OUR BUDGET IS EITHER QUOTED OR HISTORICALLY BASED. 
          THERE'S NO DARK THROWING. 
          THERE IS ONE ACCOUNT WE'RE CHALLENGED WITH, I'LL DESCRIBE THAT HERE LATER. 
          BUT EVERYTHING HAS A HARD NUMBER FOR A REASON. 
          UM, MOST OF THESE THINGS HAVE QUOTES IN THEM. 
          IF THEY'RE ITEMS, UM, THAT WE CAN'T GET A QUOTE ON, THEN WE HAVE HISTORICAL ANALYSIS TO SHARE THAT STUFF WITH YOU. 
          I'M SIMPLY GONNA GO OVER THE INCREASES IN WHAT THEY'RE FOR AND WHAT THEY'RE ABOUT. 
          YOU'LL FIND THAT SOME OF THESE, UM, ARE JUST THE COST OF DOING BUSINESS LIKE WE'VE SEEN BEFORE WHERE THE COST OF COMPUTER HARDWARE HAS GONE UP SO HIGH IN PRICE. 
          IT'S ALSO COST THE SERVICES TO GO UP HIGHER AS WELL. 
          AND YOU'LL SEE THAT IN MY BUDGET. 
          FOR INSTANCE, THE, UH, COMPANY WE USE FOR OUR WEB SER SERVICES IS CALLED CIVIC PLUS. 
          CIVIC PLUS HAS A SCHEDULED, I THINK, 4% INCREASE YEAR AFTER YEAR ON THEIR CONTRACT. 
          THEY CONTACT CONTACTED US ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND TOLD US THAT THEY WANTED TO CANCEL OUR CONTRACT AND DROP UP A NEW ONE BECAUSE THEY WERE GONNA GIVE US A 20% INCREASE FOR SERVICES JUST DUE TO THE COST INCREASES IN THEIR HARDWARE AND SYSTEMS. I SAID, NO, WE REALLY DON'T WANT THAT. 
          AND WE ULTIMATELY AGREED TO LET THAT HAPPEN NEXT YEAR, NOT THIS BUDGET CYCLE. 
          SO WE HAD TIME TO PREPARE PROPERLY. 
          WE'RE SEEING THAT TYPE OF THING ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          SO WHEN I GO INTO THIS KIND OF STUFF, YOU'LL UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          UM, THERE ARE NO REQUESTS FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF AT THIS TIME AND, UM, UH, GENERAL FUND SERVICES ARE TYPICALLY SUBSCRIPTION BASED, FOR INSTANCE, LICENSING OR, UM, SUPPORT CONTRACTS OR THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          THEY'RE NOT THINGS THAT WE CAN EASILY NEGOTIATE OR LOWER THE PRICE ON. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO DO THAT. 
          WE'RE WORKING THROUGH, AND I'LL SHARE THOSE WITH YOU AS WELL. 
          THE GENERAL FUND, UH, HAS A PROPOSED INCREASE ON OUR PART OF $160,737 AND 30 CENTS INCREASES COME FROM FIRST OFF, THE COMPUTER SERVICES LINE ITEM AT $99,500. 
          UM, LIKE I SAID, THESE ARE MOSTLY DUE TO, UM, THESE ARE MOSTLY DUE TO CONTRACTS BEING INCREASED IN PRICES FROM THE VENDORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, WE ARE NOT LOOKING, UM, FOR ANY NEW INCREASES IN THAT LINE ITEM. 
          THOSE ARE ALL JUST AS STRAIGHT SERVICES WE'VE ALWAYS HAD IN THOSE THINGS. 
          WE DO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY WITH OUR MICROSOFT LICENSING TO POTENTIALLY LOWER THOSE COSTS. 
          WE'VE BEEN NEGOTIATING THE LAST TWO WEEKS WITH THE COMPANY TO HELP US SAVE AT LEAST 10% ON THOSE LICENSING ITEMS. AND YOU'LL SEE THEM IN THAT ACCOUNT UNDER THINGS LIKE OH 360 5G FIVE, AND YOU'LL SEE THINGS LIKE, UH, MM 360 5G THREE, WE'RE HOPING TO SAVE ABOUT 10% ON THOSE ACCOUNTS. 
          WHEN WE'RE DONE, WE'RE STILL GOING THROUGH THE NEGOTIATION PROCESS. 
          UM, WE WE'RE ALSO, YOU'LL ALSO SEE AN ITEM IN THERE RELATED TO, UM, BACKUP SERVICES. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE DATA, WE BACK IT UP INTERNALLY AND WE BACK IT UP EXTERNALLY. 
          THAT'S GOOD COMMON PRACTICE. 
          SO WE HAVE OUR EXTERNAL STORAGE COSTS OF SKYROCKETED, SO WE'RE TRYING TO TAKE THOSE EXTERNAL STORAGE COSTS AND MINIMIZE THEM BY STORING STUFF IN HOUSE WHEN WE CAN, PERHAPS AT ANOTHER LOCATION. 
          SO WE'RE HOPING TO LOWER THOSE COSTS AS WELL. 
          THOSE, THOSE SIMPLE MODIFICATIONS THOUGH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY MAKE UP $99,000, BUT IF I CAN, I WILL. 
          UM, WE HAVE MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS AT AN INCREASE OF ROUGHLY $40,000. 
          THE ONLY NEW LINE ITEM IN THAT SPECIFICALLY YOU'LL SEE THERE IS CISCO LABS. 
          THAT IS A TEST PLATFORMS WHERE WE CAN SET UP A SWITCH OR A NETWORK OR DEPLOY A NEW UPDATE FOR A COMPUTER OR UPDATES FOR SOFTWARE AND A TEST ENVIRONMENT BEFORE WE DEPLOY THEM ON IN OUR OPERATING SYSTEMS. THAT'S A CRITICAL SYSTEM, A CRI CRITICAL THING WE HAVE TO DO. 
          THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO, AND WE'VE SEEN IT HAPPEN WITH OTHER, OTHER DEPARTMENTS WHERE SOMEBODY ISSUES A MICROSOFT OFFICE THREE SIX OR ISSUES A MICROSOFT UPDATE ON A, ON AN APPROPRIATE TUESDAY AND IT CRASHES OUR SYSTEMS. THIS ALLOWS US TO TEST THAT BEFORE WE RELEASE IT. 
          BUT THAT'S THE ONLY IN, THAT'S THE ONLY NEW ITEM IN THAT EVERYTHING ELSE, AGAIN, IS QUOTED AND, UM, HAS SPECIFIC NUMBERS IN THERE FOR YOU TO LOOK AT. 
          THERE'S ALSO A SMALL INCREASE IN MOBILE PHONE SERVICES AT $5,000. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S JUST MOBILE SERVICES CREEP. 
          WE ARE LOOKING AT THOSE ACCOUNTS, MAKING SURE THAT THERE ISN'T SOMEONE IN THERE THAT HAS PHONE SERVICES THAT CAN CHANGE AND BE LESS EXPENSIVE. 
          WE CAN MOVE AROUND SOMEWHERE TO SAVE THAT $5,000. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S AN INCREASE FOR THAT AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S A HISTORICAL, THAT NUMBER IN THERE. 
          FROM A HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS AND WHAT WE SPENT, AND WE RECOGNIZE THAT WE MAY HAVE BUDGETED A LITTLE BIT LOW FOR THOSE IN THE PAST. 
          UM, YOU'LL ALSO SEE, UM, AN INCREASE IN COMPUTER AND 
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PRINTING SUPPLIES AT $10,000. 
          UM, UH, THESE ARE JUST, AGAIN, COSTS FROM YEAR TO YEAR. 
          YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THIS YEAR WE HAVE $22,500 IN THAT ACCOUNT. 
          WE ARE CURRENTLY $2,500 OVER IN THAT ACCOUNT, AND WE'VE GOT FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS LEFT TO THE YEAR. 
          SO WE'VE MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS IN THAT ACCOUNT. 
          YOU'LL ALSO SEE $7,000 IN THERE FOR WHAT'S CALLED CRESTRON EQUIPMENT. 
          THAT IS THE EQUIPMENT WE PUT ON THESE TVS SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN USE, USE THEM FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT THINGS, CONNECTED COMPUTERS TO THEM AND STUFF FOR PRESENTATIONS. 
          WE WERE EXPECTING TO DEPLOY THOSE SERVICES OUT IN OTHER LOCATIONS THAN JUST HERE AT THIS BUILDING. 
          UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT, AND WE MAY, WE MAY BE ABLE TO REDUCE SOME OF THOSE COSTS IF WE DON'T DO AS MANY OF THEM, BUT THAT'S WHAT THAT LINE ITEM IS. 
          AIR FORCE SPECIFICALLY. 
          ADDITIONALLY, WE WOULD PROBABLY DO THAT AT THE END OF THE YEAR TO MAKE SURE WE DON'T GO OVER BUDGET IN THAT ACCOUNT BY USING TOO MUCH MONEY THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          I ONLY HAVE THE, UH, THE ONE LINE ON 'EM THAT'S 22 5 THIS YEAR, INCREASE TO 25. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA RELY ON SOME OF THAT ALSO. 
          YOU'LL SEE, UM, EXCUSE ME. 
          SO LET'S MOVE ON TO ASSET REPLACEMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR YOU. 
          I'M GOING THROUGH THAT HERE. 
          WHOOP, CLEAR. 
          GO. 
          DON'T DO THAT TO ME. 
          FORGIVE ME. 
          OKAY, HERE WE GO. 
          SO, IN THE EXPENSES CATEGORY AND ASSET REPLACEMENT, WE SPECIFICALLY, YOU'LL SEE HERE THAT UNDER COMPUTER EQUIPMENT SPECIFICALLY, WHICH IS A 7,002 ACCOUNT, THERE IS A REQUESTED 200, EXCUSE ME, NO, YOU'LL SEE A REQUEST THERE FOR, UM, DESKTOP COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS AT $102,000 AS WELL AS LAPTOP REPLACEMENTS AT $88,000. 
          WE JUST DID THAT. 
          SO THOSE REQUESTS WILL, I, I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT THOSE, THAT MONEY BE REMOVED FROM MY REQUEST FOR MY BUDGET THIS YEAR BECAUSE WE JUST PURCHASED THOSE SYSTEMS THIS YEAR. 
          WE DO STILL HAVE A NEED FOR MDTS FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND WE DO STILL, UM, HAVE A NEED FOR, UM, TABLETS FOR ONE OF THE OTHER OFFICES AS IT USES IPADS IN THE FIELD. 
          UM, FROM A SECURITY EQUIPMENT PERSPECTIVE, YOU'LL SEE IN THERE, UM, THAT THERE IS AN INCREASE. 
          LEMME GET IT STRAIGHT HERE. 
          FORGIVE ME, I'M GETTING AHEAD OF MYSELF. 
          SORRY, I DON'T THINK WE GOT ALL THAT, OR AT LEAST I, WE JUST HAVE THE ONE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY DEPARTMENT THAT GOES, UM, THIS WAS YOUR 24, 25, 26 DESCRIPTION OF THE DIFFERENT, BUT WE DON'T HAVE ANY ASSET PART TO THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WELL, LET ME, DO YOU WANT ME TO REVIEW WITH YOU? YOU WANT ME TO WAIT? NO, I JUST, YOU KNOW, OKAY, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP UP AND IT'S NOT THERE, SO, SURE. 
          LET ME, LEMME GIVE YOU SOME MORE DETAILS SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE A COMPUTER EQUIPMENT ACCOUNT IN ASSET REPLACEMENT. 
          IT'S UNDER NUMBER 7,002. 
          IT HAS A TOTAL BUDGETED REQUEST OF $230,500 OF THAT. 
          WE HAVE IN THERE SPECIFICALLY TABLET REPLACEMENTS, UM, FOR INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT AT $2,000, EXCUSE ME, AT $10,000. 
          THEY NEED FIVE TABLETS OF $2,000 EACH. 
          WE HAVE, UM, DESKTOP COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS. 
          WE WANTED 68 OF THOSE ESTIMATED AT $1,500 EACH. 
          WE PURCHASED THOSE HERE LAST WEEK AND WE'RE EXPECTING THOSE TO COME IN THIS WEEK. 
          YOU'LL SEE LAPTOP REPLACEMENTS, 59 OF THEM AT $1,500, TOTALING $88,500 WE EXPECT TO PULL. 
          I'M GONNA REQUEST THAT THAT LINE ITEM GET PULLED OUT AS WELL. 
          AND WE HAVE SHERIFF OFFICE MDTS. 
          THOSE ARE MOBILE DATA TERMINALS THEY USE IN OUR CARS. 
          THEY HAVE ASKED TO REPLACE 10 OF THOSE. 
          UM, THAT WILL STAY IN THERE. 
          SO IN THAT ACCOUNT, UM, TOTALING $230,500. 
          WE WILL ONLY KEEP IN THAT ACCOUNT. 
          IF I'M DOING MY MATH CORRECTLY, ALYSSA, FEEL FREE TO SPEAK IF I, I GOT IT WRONG. 
          $10,000 FOR TABLETS. 
          30 TH SO $40,000 WILL REMAIN IN THAT ACCOUNT AS OUR REQUEST. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE REMOVED UNDER SECURITY EQUIPMENT. 
          UM, THAT NUMBER IS 7,003. 
          THE ONE WE HAVE, UH, ONE, TWO ITEMS IN THAT ACCOUNT. 
          UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR THREE DOOR CONTROL SYSTEMS. YOU KNOW HOW WE HAVE THE ELECTRONIC DOORS IN THIS BUILDING. 
          WE'VE BEEN REQUESTED TO PUT THOSE DOORS IN SOME OTHER BUILDINGS. 
          THEY RUN ABOUT A THOUSAND DOLLARS A DOOR, SO THERE'S $3,000 FOR THAT AS WELL AS A GOVERNMENT CENTER GENERATOR. 
          I PUT IN MY BUDGET FOR THAT AT $120,000, WHICH WAS TODD THROWN A DART AND A WALL BECAUSE I HAVE NO IDEA  WHAT A GENERATOR COSTS. 
          BUT WE DID HAVE, UM, WE DID HAVE WESCO AND PRICE AUTO GENERATOR FOR US FOR THIS BUILDING SPECIFICALLY. 
          IT CAME IN 
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AT $364,000. 
          UM, AND I BELIEVE THAT'S JUST FOR, UM, OUR OFFICES, JUST FOR OUR, OUR KNOCK BACK THERE, OUR DATA CENTER BACK THERE. 
          I DON'T EVEN THINK THAT'S THE WHOLE BUILDING. 
          OH, IT'S THE WHOLE BUILDING. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M TOLD IT IS THE WHOLE BUILDING THAT, UM, I WAS GONNA SAY, I HOPE SO. 
          THAT'S AN EXPENSIVE ITEM. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          THIS IS OUR, I BELIEVE SECOND OR THIRD YEAR WE'VE MADE THIS REQUEST. 
          THERE ARE CRITICAL SYSTEMS IN THE DATA CENTER BACK HERE, UM, THAT NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE TO PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF THIS BUILDING. 
          UM, I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHERE TO GO WITH THAT. 
          I HAD NO IDEA THAT GENERATOR WAS GONNA BE THAT, THAT EXPENSIVE, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS THAT AT ANOTHER TIME. 
          UM, WE ALSO HAVE IN, IN CONTINUING ON WITHIN OUR ACCOUNT, UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF NETWORKING EQUIPMENT. 
          WHEN THIS COMPANY CAME IN AFTER THE HACKING ATTACK, THEY COMPLETELY REPLACED OUR ENTIRE NETWORK STACK IN EVERY BUILDING THAT THE COUNTY OWNS AND HAS SERVICES IN. 
          SO THAT NETWORK STACK NOW IS COMING UP ON FIVE OR SIX YEARS OLD AT 9, 7, 8, 9 YEARS OLD. 
          THOSE THAT HARDWARE STARTS TO BECOME END OF LIFE WHERE THE MANUFACTURER WON'T ISSUE UPDATES FOR IT AND ITS POTENTIAL FOR IT TO MALFUNCTION. 
          SO RATHER THAN SPENDING A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MONEY UP FRONT AND REPLACING IT ALL IN ONE YEAR, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO SPREAD THAT OUT BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR YEARS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THE COMPLETE PLAN STRAIGHTENED OUT YET. 
          I HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS IN THERE FOR THIS YEAR ALONE. 
          I DON'T THINK IT'LL BE THAT EXPENSIVE. 
          WE DID A PRELIMINARY BUDGETARY QUOTE AFTER WE PUT THE BUDGET IN TO REPLACE ALL OF THAT EQUIPMENT WITH THE QUOTE CAME IN AT $260,000. 
          YOU CAN SEE THERE'S AN ATTACHMENT WHEN YOU GET ACCESS TO THAT ACCOUNT. 
          SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THIS YEAR. 
          IT'LL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS. 
          BUT WE ARE, AGAIN, TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT, TRYING TO SPREAD THOSE COSTS OVER MULTIPLE YEARS. 
          UM, AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE REGARDING THE BUDGET. 
          UM, THE LAST THING I WANNA SAY AGAIN IS, UM, YOU KNOW, IT SYSTEMS CONTINUE. 
          COSTS CONTINUE TO RISE WAY MORE THAN ANYBODY'S COMFORTABLE WITH. 
          UH, THINGS LIKE WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEKEND NATIONALLY CAUSE PRICES TO GO UP EVEN HIGHER. 
          UM, WE'RE CONTINUING TO, TO FIND THE BEST DEALS WE CAN WHEREVER WE GO ON THE CO. 
          THIS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT WE LOVE SO MUCH HAS ABSOLUTELY NO STATESIDE PROCESSING PLAN PROCESSOR CREATION PLANS. 
          NOBODY, NOBODY IN OUR COUNTRIES MAKING MICROPROCESSORS. 
          AND THAT'S A PROBLEM ACROSS, ACROSS THE COUNTRY FOR US. 
          SO WE'RE COMPETING WITH THE ENTIRE GLOBE FOR THOSE TYPE FOR THAT, THOSE TYPES OF HARDWARE. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THE, UH, COUNTRY WILL START BUILDING ITS OWN MICROPROCESSORS SOON. 
          WHAT QUESTIONS CAN I ANSWER FOR YOU QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. 
          I, I'M LOOKING AT THIS AND ONCE I GET THE OTHER PART, I'M SURE THERE WILL BE, BUT UM, I THINK IT'S, YEAH, I FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT WITH WHATEVER QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE. 
          WE'RE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. 
          WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR NEW IDEAS. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT, YOU KNOW, RECENTLY WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS UPGRADE TO OUR GIS SERVICE. 
          THIS IS THE LAST SERVER THAT WE HAD, BUT THAT WAS HERE BEFORE WE CAME IN. 
          EVERY OTHER ONE'S BEEN REPLACED BECAUSE OF AGE. 
          UM, THIS INITIAL SERVER WAS, WAS BUDGETED AT $50,000 TO HAVE A SECONDARY VENDOR COME IN AND DO THE UPGRADE FOR US. 
          WE STARTED LOOKING AT THINGS MORE CLOSELY, HAD A SUGGESTION FROM SOMEBODY ELSE, AND WE'RE GONNA DO THAT INTERNALLY, SAVING THE COUNTY $50,000. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE TYPES OF THINGS WE POSSIBLY CAN TO SAVE MONEY. 
          WE'RE COMMITTED TO IT AND UH, WE APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S SUPPORT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          JOHN, HAVE FUN. 
          NEXT 
          [A.2. Planning & Zoning - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
IS PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          IT'S A GROUP EFFORT WITH THIS ONE. 
          UM, I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THE PLANNING AND ZONING BUDGET, UM, SINCE KELLY KIND OF INHERITED WHAT WE DRAFTED AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          UM, SO WHAT YOU HAVE, YOU'LL SEE THAT UM, THERE ARE QUITE A FEW INCREASES AND I WANNA SPEAK TO EACH INDIVIDUAL ONE, BUT BEFORE I GET INTO THE INCREASES, THE FULL-TIME EXEMPT AND NON-EXEMPT, THESE NUMBERS ARE PROBABLY GOING TO GO UP. 
          PART OF THAT IS WHEN WE STARTED RECRUITING FOR A DIRECTOR. 
          THE SALARY RANGE OF CANDIDATES IS SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER THAN OUR PREDECESSOR WAS. 
          UM, SO WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT GOING UP PROBABLY ABOUT $30,000. 
          THE FUNDING FROM THAT WOULD COME FROM OUR COMPENSATION RESERVE BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW AT WHAT POINT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR WE'LL ACTUALLY HIRE A DIRECTOR. 
          UM, SO ON OVERTIME WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY ACCURATELY BUDGETING FOR THIS EXPENDITURES. 
          SO THE $5,000 THAT IS BASED OFF OF ACTUAL EXPENDITURES WITH HAVING BOTH OUR ZONING OFFICER 
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AND OUR PLANNER ATTEND EVENING MEETINGS AND PLANNING COMMISSION MEETINGS, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT OVERTIME. 
          OTHERWISE THEY WOULD BE WORKING A FOUR DAY WORK WEEK EVERY WEEK FOR THE PART-TIME TEMPORARY. 
          THE $10,000 INCREASE THERE, THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT BEEN, UM, BUDGETING FOR AN INTERN THE LAST, UM, TWO YEARS. 
          SO WE WANT TO PUT THAT MONEY BACK IN SO THAT WE CAN HAVE INTERNS. 
          IT'S VERY HELPFUL, ESPECIALLY LONG TERM STAFFING. 
          UM, ONE OF OUR PREVIOUS INTERNS IS CURRENTLY THE GIS COORDINATOR FOR THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, BOARD MEMBER COMPENSATION. 
          AGAIN, WE WANTED TO ADJUST THAT SO IT ACT ACCURATELY REFLECTED WHAT WE WERE SPENDING. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHY IT INCREASED TO 12,000. 
          THE NEXT INCREASE IS THE CELL PHONE STIPEND. 
          WE DID NOT HAVE A CELL PHONE STIPEND IN FOR ANY OF OUR EMPLOYEES AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE DIRECTOR, THE ZONING OFFICER AND THE GIS ADMINISTRATOR ALL HAVE A CELL PHONE STIPEND BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE FIELD SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TIME AND THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO, UM, TAKE PICTURES, SEND DATA, UM, AND RECORD ALL OF THAT FOR THEIR JOB. 
          SO THAT'S THE INCREASE THERE. 
          MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS, UM, WE'VE HAD A FEW LITTLE BUMPS IN THE ROAD WITH, UM, AS WE GET INTO CERTAIN AREAS OF THE COUNTY. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE DO HAVE SOME FUNDING BUDGETED FOR THOSE REPAIRS AND ADVERTISING. 
          IT HAS BEEN VERY BUSY IN PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          AND WITH THAT COMES ADVERTISING. 
          SO BASED OFF OF THE TREND, WE NEED TO INCREASE OUR ADVERTISING BUDGET TO $15,000. 
          AND THEN WITH THAT, ALONG COMES THE POSTAGE. 
          SO WITH MAILING THE REQUIRED NOTICES, SO YOU'LL SEE THE INCREASES THERE. 
          AND THEN ALSO WITH OFFICE SUPPLIES, WE WILL GO DOWN TO FUEL WITH THE INCREASE OF BASICALLY WORK IN THE COUNTY, WE'RE ALSO SEEING AN INCREASE IN FUEL USAGE. 
          SO VERY BASIC INCREASES. 
          UM, WE'VE HAD SOME NEW MEMBERS ON THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND ALSO ON BZA. 
          SO ANYTIME WE HAVE THAT, WE NEED ADDITIONAL TRAINING. 
          THERE ARE CERTAIN CLASSES THAT THEY HAVE TO ATTEND. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL SEE ADDITIONAL FUNDING UNDER, UM, THE BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. 
          AND THAT'S TIED TO THAT. 
          THE MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE. 
          TODD KIND OF TOUCHED ON THE GIS UPGRADE. 
          UM, CORY'S BEEN WORKING REALLY CLOSELY TO ACTUALLY GET THAT UPGRADE DONE WITHIN HOUSE, UM, RATHER THAN GOING OUT OF HOUSE. 
          UM, SO THERE'S A SLIGHT INCREASE THERE FOR LONG-TERM, UM, MAINTENANCE OF THE GIS SERVER. 
          AND THEN SIGNAGE. 
          WE NEED TO REPLACE SOME OF OUR SIGNS. 
          THINGS THAT GET DESTROYED WHEN A HOMEOWNER HAS SOMETHING IN THE YARD, LOTS OF WIND, SO IT'S JUST A RESIDUAL, UM, EVENT. 
          AND THEN WITH MILEAGE, THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE. 
          AND THIS IS BECAUSE WE HAVE ONE VEHICLE FOR THE DEPARTMENT AND IT NEEDS TO STAY IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO WHEN THEY GO TO CONFERENCES, THEY'RE ACTUALLY TAKING THEIR PERSONAL VEHICLES. 
          SO IT'S A MILEAGE TO PAY FOR THAT. 
          AND THEN UNDER DUES AND MEMBERSHIPS, WE WEREN'T COVERING THE APPROPRIATE, UM, CONFERENCES THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE, OR SORRY, DUES THAT AND MEMBERSHIPS THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE. 
          SO IF YOU ACTUALLY ARE IN CLEAR GOV, YOU'LL SEE IT LAID OUT UNDER THE ITEMIZATION AS TO WHAT IT IS. 
          AND WE ALSO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE, UM, COVERAGE IN THERE FOR A NEW DIRECTOR AS WELL. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE BUDGET FOR PLANNING AND ZONING QUESTIONS? UM, HOW MANY VEHICLES? DOES, CAN YOU HEAR ME? MM-HMM . 
          HOW MANY VEHICLES DOES THE DEPARTMENT HAVE? ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THIS IS MORE OR LESS DEPARTMENT WIDE OR WHATEVER? AS FAR AS I KNOW, BACK IN THE DAY WE USED TO PLAN ON REPLACING AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS PARTICULARLY WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AND WHAT WE DID WITH THOSE VEHICLES, THEY HAD LASTED OUT. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY WOULD PAY US THEIR LIFETIME THERE AND THEN WE DO THAT. 
          SO I JUST WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE OTHER THING TOO IS OTHER THAN THE PLANNING DIRECTOR, UM, FULL-TIME AND MS. WALL'S DOING A GREAT JOB. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT, UM, WHERE ELSE ARE YOU AS FAR AS STAFFING? I MEAN, EVERYBODY CAN USE MORE. 
          AND IT'S PARTICULARLY, I, I'M, I'M, I'M WONDERING ABOUT AS FAR AS ENFORCEMENT, BECAUSE THAT, THAT TAKES A LOT'S OUR, OUR ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. 
          UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT WHETHER TO HAVE A ZONING OFFICER IN ADDITION TO THAT. 
          UM, BUT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR CAN BE THE ZONING OFFICER. 
          IT ALSO DEPENDS ON KIND OF IF WE HIRE A DIRECTOR THAT HAS A PLANNING OR A ZONING BACKGROUND AS TO WHETHER THEY'D BE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR NOT, IF THEY HAVE A PLANNING BACKGROUND VERSUS A ZONING BACKGROUND, THEY MOST LIKELY WOULD NOT BE THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR. 
          THEY DELEGATE IT TO SOMEONE ELSE IN THE DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, BUT WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A ZONING OFFICER TO DO ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A LOT OF, UM, COMPLAINTS THAT CURRENTLY WE CAN'T FOLLOW UP ON. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEY TAKE TIME AND MONEY. 
          SIGNIFICANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM 
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. 
          MAY I HAVE? MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION, UM, THAT IN THE PAST WE HAVE THE LARGE PLOTTER SCANNER. 
          IT'S THIS GINORMOUS PRINTER AND IT'S HOW WE SCAN IN ALL OF OUR SITE PLANS AND STUFF. 
          NOW THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS USED BETWEEN BOTH BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. 
          IT'S HOW WE OPERATE THE INNER GOV SYSTEM WHERE WE DO OUR PERMITS FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, AND INDUSTRIAL. 
          IN THE PAST WE HAVE CREATED ESSENTIALLY A FUND FOR THE REPLACEMENT OF THIS. 
          THIS CURRENT PLOTTER HAS OUTLASTED ITS LIFE EXPECTANCY, BUT WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT. 
          AND THIS PLOTTER COSTS AROUND $12,000. 
          NOW THIS WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN OUR DEPARTMENT AND BUILDING INSPECTION. 
          SO WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT INSTEAD OF WAITING FOR IT TO BREAK AND THEN NEEDING TO FIND THE MONEY, HAVING IT THERE AHEAD OF TIME. 
          AND IN THE PAST THEY USED TO KEEP A FUND FOR IT AND IT WAS JUST CONTRIBUTED TO EACH YEAR. 
          UM, SO WE'D BE LOOKING AT AROUND $6,000 FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS WELL AS BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN ORDER TO REPLACE THIS THING. 
          JUST BEING PROACTIVE RATHER THAN REACTIVE FOR A $12,000 PRINTER. 
          AND I THINK THAT WENT DOWN A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO AND IT CAUSED A LOT OF DISRUPTION IN THE PROCESS. 
          YES. 
          SO YES, IT SIGNIFICANTLY WILL DELAY OUR OPERATIONS AND THAT WOULD, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE SPLIT BETWEEN BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT WAS MY ONLY CONTRIBUTIONS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JANE . 
          THANK YOU. 
          I HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          OH, OH, ARE WE CURRENTLY ADVERTISING? YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY WE LIKE AT LEAST THREE IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          WE'RE OBVIOUSLY DOWN TO ONE. 
          OH ARE WE, HAVE WE GOT ADVERTISEMENT OUT TO YES. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          ALL. 
          YEAH. 
          THE HR DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN RE BASICALLY RECRUITING FOR ALL OF THE POSITIONS AND CONTINUING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT EVERYTHING. 
          I WANNA SAY YOU HAVE SOME INTERVIEWS YES. 
          THIS WEEK. 
          YES. 
          THAT WAS MY NEXT QUESTION. 
          ARE WE HAVING ANY SUCCESS ABOUT GETTING ANY APPLICANTS? A FEW MEDIOCRE. 
          MEDIOCRE, OKAY. 
          WELL THAT'S, THAT'S BETTER THAN NONE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET LUCKY THAT WAY. 
          AND THEN WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THESE BUDGET ITEMS, OF COURSE THIS IS MY FIRST YEAR ON BUDGET, SO, UH, FOR BEING A LITTLE IGNORANT THERE, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE ME, BUT I NOTICED THE 20 FOURS WAS LIKE 615 AND THEN IT WENT WAY DOWN TO 5 0 6 AND IT'S BACK UP TO FIVE 70. 
          AND THEN YOU'RE ASKING FOR 6 0 6. 
          WHAT LINE ITEM ARE YOU LOOKING AT? WELL, IT JUST SAYS TOTAL PLANNING AND ZONING ON THE PLANNING. 
          I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT WOULD'VE WENT DOWN SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, UNLESS WE WERE JUST DIDN'T SPEND IT. 
          'CAUSE WE WERE THAT SHORT OF STAFF. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE HOSPITAL MEDICAL FOR 25, THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE. 
          SO THAT'S A $55,000 DIFFERENCE. 
          UM, AND THERE ARE A FEW MINOR CHANGES. 
          THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES THAT'S ALSO, UM, AND WITH THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, UM, YOU HAVE THE MEMBERSHIP FOR THE REGIONAL COMMISSION AND A VARIETY OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS THAT ARE, WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHETHER IT'S THE COUNTY SHOULD HAVE IT IN THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATION BUDGET OR WHETHER IT SHOULD BE PLANNING AND ZONING. 
          SO IT'S KIND OF GONE BACK AND FORTH, BUT THAT WOULD BE WHY DROPPED DOWN. 
          SO THE BUDGET'S NOT REALLY LESS, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST GONE FROM ONE BUDGET TO ANOTHER PUT WHETHER IT'S BROUGHT OUT ONE PILE OR THE OTHER. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST, IT WAS JUST SUCH A, YOU KNOW, 6 15 5 IT, 6 5 76 0 6, IT JUST, YEAH, KIND OF SEEMED A LITTLE HARD FOR ME TO GRASP. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          OKAY. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. 
          ONE, ONE. 
          ARE WE, UH, JUST REALIZING ANY PERSONAL SAVINGS TEMPORARILY? MM-HMM . 
          UM, IS THAT BAKE AT ALL? UH, NO. 
          UM, BASICALLY WITH THE  UM, VACANCY SAVINGS, IT STAYS IN THE BUDGET. 
          UM, SO IF WE END UP HIRING SOMEONE AT A HIGHER SALARY FOR THAT FISCAL YEAR, IT PROBABLY WOULDN'T IMPACT IT. 
          BUT THE NEXT YEAR IT WOULD BECAUSE IT'D STAY AT THAT HIGHER RATE. 
          UM, BUT WE DON'T REMOVE IT. 
          WE JUST LEAVE IT IN THE BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I JUST WANNA THANK MS. WALL FOR STEPPING UP AND I KNOW THIS IS A MUCH BIGGER LOAD ON YOUR SHOULDERS AND YOU'RE DOING A GREAT JOB AND WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AWESOME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS PAUL. 
          HAVE YOUR DAY. 
          ALRIGHT MR. BELL, 
          [A.3. Commonwealth Attorney - John Bell]
YOUR TURN. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU TODAY. 
          IT'S GOOD TO BE HERE AND SEE, I APOLOGIZE FOR LU THE APPARATUS AROUND. 
          UH, THAT'S, YOU'RE PERFECTLY FINE. 
          THIS IS PART OF MY LIFE FROM NOW ON. 
          WELL IF IT KEEPS YOU HEALTHY, I'M GLAD YOU'RE TOTING IT AROUND. 
          THE GLIOBLASTOMA 
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IS NOT CURABLE BUT IT IS TREATABLE WITH THIS DEVICE. 
          SO WITH ANY LUCK THIS WILL GIVE ME ABOUT AN EXTRA FEW YEARS THAT I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD OTHERWISE. 
          THE DOWNSIDE IS IT'S VERY ANNOYING, BUT I'M VERY GRATEFUL THAT I'M HERE TO BE ANNOYED. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE HAVE TRIED OUR LEVEL BEST TO ZERO BASE OUR BUDGET OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME SMALL INCREASES IN A COUPLE OF ITEMS. UH, AND THERE IS A REQUEST THAT I HAVE WRITTEN IN ON MY COPY, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IS MADE YOURS YET. 
          UH, WE ARE TRYING TO UPDATE THAT EARLIER TODAY THROUGH UH, CLEAR GOV. 
          WE DEPEND ON LEGAL RESEARCH SOFTWARE AND WE HAVE BEEN USING A PROVIDER CALLED GERONIMO FOR MANY, MANY YEARS. 
          BUT OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, GERONIMO WAS PURCHASED BY SOMEBODY ELSE AND THEN SHUT DOWN. 
          SO THEY WERE NO LONGER AVAILABLE. 
          THEY WERE THE MOST COST EFFECTIVE OPTION OUT THERE. 
          AND ABOUT THE ONLY PERSON LEFT STANDING IN THE FIELD IS LEXINEXIS. 
          AND WE HAVE A QUOTE FROM LEXINEXIS, UH, BASICALLY 39 BUCKS, YOU KNOW, PER USER. 
          AND WE HAVE NINE ATTORNEYS, WHICH COMES OUT TO $351 A MONTH OR $4,212 A YEAR. 
          NOW WE GOT A SMALL REFUND FROM GERONIMO FOR THE UNUSED PART OF OUR SUBSCRIPTION PAYMENTS TO THEM, WHICH BE ENOUGH TO COVER. 
          YEAH. 
          THE REST OF THIS FISCAL YEAR WITH LEXISNEXIS. 
          BUT COMING INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, WE WOULD NEED, UH, ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE 27 BUDGET. 
          AND OUR OFFICE LIVES AND DIES WITH CASE LAW AND RESEARCH AND OF COURSE THAT IS ALL MOVED ONLINE THESE DAYS AND WE HAVE TRIED TO SHOP AROUND TO LOOK AT OTHER OPTIONS. 
          BUT LEXINEXIS IS PRETTY WELL IT, THERE'S BEEN A HUGE AMOUNT OF CONSOLIDATION IN THE LEGAL RESEARCH SERVICES FIELD AND THERE ARE ALMOST NO OTHER PROVIDERS LEFT. 
          WE HAD ORIGINALLY DISCUSSED WITH THE COUNTY THE PRO, THE POSSIBILITY OF TRYING TO GO ON A MORE COUNTYWIDE BID BECAUSE THERE ARE OTHER COUNTY AGENCIES THAT USE LEXINEXIS. 
          THE PROBLEM IS, IS THAT THE 39 PER USER IS ALREADY A DISCOUNTED GOVERNMENT NEGOTIATED RATE, WHICH WOULD BE GOOD UNTIL MAY. 
          'CAUSE IF WE LET IT GO PAST MAY, WE WOULD PROBABLY BE FACED WITH A PRICE INCREASE OVER THAT. 
          WE HAVE ACTUALLY GOT CASH IN THE BUDGET THANKS TO THE GERONIMO REFUND TO COVER THAT 39 PER USER FOR UH, MARCH, APRIL, MAY AND JUNE. 
          BUT COME JULY ONE WE WOULD NEED CURRENT COUNTY MONEY, YOU KNOW, TO PAY THE SUBSCRIPTION ON THAT. 
          WE REALLY NEED THIS SERVICE. 
          YOU KNOW, I WISH THERE WAS ANOTHER WAY TO GO ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH, THERE IS A FREE SERVICE THROUGH THE VIRGINIA STATE BAR BUT IT IS REALLY CLUNKY AND WE REQUIRE EACH OF THE ATTORNEYS TO LOG IN THROUGH A PERSONAL ACCOUNT. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY IT DOES NOT HAVE THE RESOURCES THAT A FULL LEXUS NEXUS SUBSCRIPTION WOULD PROVIDE. 
          AND TRUST ME, DEFENSE COUNSEL YEAH. 
          WILL HAVE THEIR LEXI NEXUS SUBSCRIPTIONS POUNDING AWAY RESEARCHING THINGS IF WE'RE NOT DOING IT FROM OUR END. 
          AND I'M NOT EVEN GOING TO BEGIN TO TALK ABOUT WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OVER THE NEXT FEW MONTHS WITH NEW LAWS COMING DOWN THAT WE WILL NEED TO GET THE BEST RESEARCH AVAILABLE TO INTERPRET AND HANDLE. 
          NOW WE DO, WE'VE GOT A SIZABLE INCREASE IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS AND THE 5,000, THAT'S PARTIALLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, IT HAS ASKED US TO KEEP A COMCAST LINE GOING VIA OUR OFFICE BUDGET. 
          YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME DOUBTS ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE CURRENT SYSTEM AND THE COMCAST IS THERE AS A BACKUP IN CASE. 
          YEAH. 
          THE GENERAL THING GOES DOWN. 
          AND WE USED TO RUN VIRTUALLY THE ENTIRE COURTHOUSE PHONE SYSTEM OFF OF OUR COMCAST INTERNET SUBSCRIPTION. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED. 
          IT JUST DID. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WE ARE STILL DOING THAT IN SOME WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. 
          TODD COULD PROBABLY GO INTO GREATER DETAILS ABOUT THAT THAN I COULD. 
          BUT WE ARE HAPPY TO PROVIDE IT AS A SERVICE TO THE OTHER OFFICES OF THE COUNTY AS LONG AS WE CAN GET THE MONEY TO PAY FOR IT. 
          'CAUSE AS YOU CAN LOOK THROUGH OUR BUDGET. 
          YEAH. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF CASH FLOATING AROUND FOR VANITY PROJECTS 
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HERE. 
          ALMOST OUR ENTIRE BUDGET IS SALARIES AND OUR SALARY FUNDING SOURCES COME FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, FUNDING POOLS. 
          ONE IS THE STATE COMPENSATION BOARD AND THAT PROVIDES THE BULK OF THE MONEY. 
          THE SECOND IS THE, WE HAVE GRANTS THAT COVER OUR VICTIM WITNESS PROGRAM AND DIVES AND PART OF THE SALARY FOR A DOMESTIC VIOLENCE PROSECUTOR. 
          NOW ABOUT A YEAR OR SO AGO, THE COMP BOARD GAVE US A BIG MORE PILE OF MONEY, WHICH WAS KIND OF UNUSUAL BECAUSE THAT VERY RARELY HAPPENS AND IT TOOK US A WHILE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO WITH IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WHAT HAPPENED IS WE RAN INTO THE ISSUE THAT THE COUNTY HAS ITS OWN JOB CLASSIFICATIONS AND SALARY SCALES FOR THE ATTORNEY POSITIONS. 
          AND THOSE DO NOT CORRESPOND EXACTLY WITH THE COMP BOARD, UH, CLASSIFICATIONS AND COMPENSATION SCHEDULES. 
          AND AS A RESULT WE HAD PEOPLE WHO WERE GETTING PAID LESS MONEY VIA THE COUNTY THAN THE COMP BOARD WAS GIVING TO THE COUNTY FOR THAT SLOT. 
          AND THAT MONEY WAS JUST DISAPPEARING INTO THE ETHER. 
          SO WE SAT DOWN WITH UH, COUNTY FINANCE WITH JANE AND EVERYBODY AND WE ESSENTIALLY REASSIGNED VIRTUALLY EVERY ATTORNEY POSITION IN THE OFFICE. 
          SO WE ABSORBED ALL OF THE COMPENSATION MONEY THAT WE POSSIBLY COULD. 
          AND THE QUID PRO QUO FOR THAT IS THE COUNTY FUNDS, UH, AN UN ONE UNFUNDED MANDATE POSITION WITH US, WHICH IS THE BODY CAM POSITION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU ALL ARE FAMILIAR WITH THAT. 
          UH, AND SO WHAT WE AGREED TO DO WAS IN EXCHANGE FOR, YOU KNOW, REARRANGING EVERYBODY'S SALARY AND POSITIONS, WAS AGREED TO TAKE TWO PART-TIME SLOTS IN LIEU OF THE BODY CAM POSITION. 
          AND WE HAD HIRED TWO PART-TIMERS AND THAT'S WORKED OUT EXTREMELY WELL BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PICK UP THE SLACK WHILE I HAVE BEEN GETTING SURGERIES AND DOING REHABS. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEY HAVE DONE AN AMAZING JOB. 
          OUR JUDGES ARE HAPPY WITH THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          VICTIMS ARE HAPPY WITH THEM. 
          EVERYBODY IS HAPPY WITH THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          NOW WHAT WE HAVE DONE WITH THAT IS WE HAVE RUN THEM ABOUT AS FAR AS THEY CAN GO. 
          SO STARTING MARCH THEY'RE BACK ON PART-TIME STATUS. 
          'CAUSE WE HAD BORROWED INTO UH, SOME OF THE FUNDING, YOU KNOW, FOR IT AND ESSENTIALLY RAN THEM FULL-TIME FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS AND NOW THEY'RE GOING BACK TO PART-TIME AND ARE GOING TO STAY PART-TIME THROUGH THE 2027 FISCAL YEAR. 
          ALRIGHT, ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? UH, JUST LIKE WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE COMP BOARD, WHAT THEY PAY AND ALL LIKE THAT I REMEMBER THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS, THE STATE GIVES SO MUCH AND THEN ON SOME OCCASION, AND ESPECIALLY I'M THINKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF, I THINK WE ACTUALLY SUPPLEMENTED IT. 
          BUT WHAT I'M HEARING YOU SAY IS THEY, THEY FUNDED A POSITION AND THEN THAT MONEY JUST KIND OF DISAPPEARED. 
          WELL ACTUALLY THEY, WHAT THEY DID WAS THEY, THE COMP BOARD A FEW YEARS AGO WE DID THIS ABSOLUTELY INSANE, YOU KNOW, TIME WORK STUDY YEAH. 
          WHERE WE WERE REPORTING WHAT WE DID EVERY FIVE MINUTES OF THE DAY TO THE STATE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND WONDER OF WONDERS, SOMEBODY AT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY ACTUALLY PAID ATTENTION TO THAT AND THEY GAVE MORE MONEY TO FUND COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICES. 
          AND THEN THE COMP BOARD TOOK THAT AND THEN LOOKED THROUGH ALL OF THE DIFFERENT OFFICES AROUND AND DECIDED THAT WARREN COUNTY'S WORKLOAD JUSTIFIED UH, SOME ADDITIONAL POSITIONS AND THEY ALSO INCREASED THE FUNDING FOR SOME ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS AS WELL. 
          SO WHAT WE DID WAS WE TOOK THE NEW POSITIONS AND REASSIGNED THOSE, UH, TO CURRENTLY EXISTING PEOPLE AND USE THAT MONEY COMP BOARD MONEY TO TAKE OUT COUNTY MONEY. 
          LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE HAD ONE ASSISTANT, PAULA DEMAN, WHO WAS FULLY COUNTY FUNDED AND WE ESSENTIALLY GAVE HER ONE OF THE NEW COMP BOARD SLOTS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO IT WAS ONE OF THESE THINGS WHERE WE LITERALLY YEAH. 
          WERE PINNING PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, TO SALARY SLOTS WITH LONG LINES. 
          IT'S LIKE THE CRAZY GUY IN THAT MEME WHO'S DOING THIS ALL OVER THE PLACE. 
          WE SPENT SEVERAL MONTHS WORKING ON THAT AND LO AND BEHOLD, 
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WE EVENTUALLY GOT TO THE POINT WHERE WE HAD CAPTURED ALL OF THE NEW COMP BOARD MONEY, THE NEW POSITIONS AND THE INCREASED SALARIES YOU FOR SOME OF THE ENTRY LEVEL POSITIONS AND DISTRIBUTED 'EM AROUND THE OFFICE. 
          YEAH. 
          IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, WHEN THE, UM, A NEW ATTORNEY WAS REQUIRED FOR THE, TO LOOK AT THE TAPES OF THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS, THAT WAS AN UNFUNDED POSITION. 
          YES. 
          THAT CAME OUT RIGHT AFTER OUR BUDGET WAS UH, FINISHED. 
          SO I REMEMBER THAT POSITION WELL. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL WHAT HAD HAPPENED IS THE VIRGINIA STATE BAR HAS DECLARED THAT IF YOU ARE AN ATTORNEY WHO HAS A CASE THAT HAS BODY CAMERA, YOU ARE ETHICALLY REQUIRED TO WATCH ALL OF THAT BODY CAMERA. 
          SO INSTEAD OF SPENDING A HALF HOUR READING AN OFFICER'S REPORT, YOU MAY NOW HAVE TO LOOK AT TWO AND A HALF HOURS OF BODY CAMERA FOR A DUI AND THAT EATS UP A HUGE AMOUNT OF PERSONNEL TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S ASSOCIATION WENT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY TO EXPLAIN THIS. 
          AND THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RESPONDED BY SAYING, WE THINK YOU REALLY HAVE A POINT. 
          WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO IS DECLARE THAT IF YOU AS A LOCALITY GIVE BODY CAMERAS TO YOUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR YOUR POLICE DEPARTMENT, ONCE YOU HIT SO MANY BODY CAMERAS, WE ARE ORDERING YOU TO SUPPLY AN EXTRA PROSECUTOR TO THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE BECAUSE OF THE INCREASED WORKLOAD THAT YOU HAVE CREATED BY USING BODY CAMERAS. 
          AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU AN EXTRA NICKEL FOR IT. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH. 
          THIS, THIS IS GONNA BE FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION, BUT WHERE ARE YOU AS FAR AS SPACE NEEDS? I KNOW THAT THE, SOME OF THE COURTHOUSE, THEY NEED ADDITIONAL SPACE AND THE WHOLE THING, THIS IS, THIS TO ME IS MORE OF A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DISCUSSION. 
          BUT JUST BRIEFLY, DO YOU NEED MORE SPACE? ABSOLUTELY. 
          ACTUALLY WE TOOK OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR ON THE GRAND TOUR AND WE TOOK 'EM THROUGH ALL THE LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES WHERE WE HAVE PEOPLE STUFFED. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEY'RE STUFFED. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YEP. 
          UH, I I, I THOUGHT THAT IT JUST, LIKE I SAID, JUST ONE MORE THING ON THE LIST TO ADDRESS AND LOOK DOWN THE FUTURE, NONE OF THIS WILL BE, UH, ADDRESSED OVERNIGHT. 
          BUT WE NEED TO START PLANNING JUST LIKE, UH, THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER SAID TOO, AS FAR AS JUST BUYING A COPY COPIER, DON'T COME TO US ALL AT ONCE. 
          SAY HERE WE NEED IT. 
          START SQUIRRELING AWAY MONEY EACH YEAR TO GET THAT DONE. 
          SO, BUT I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE SWIPED A GOOD PART OF ANGIE'S STORAGE SPACE AND WE NOW HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOUR ATTORNEYS THERE, TWO OF THEM IN ONE LARGE CLOSET. 
          WOULD UH, SORRY, DIDN'T MEAN TO NO, SORRY. 
          OH, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THE OLD SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BUILDING ACROSS THE STREET? WE WERE. 
          'CAUSE I HEARD IT'S ONLY ONE OFFICE IN THERE AND THEY'RE JUST USING SOME STORAGE. 
          MAYBE WE COULD, WELL I KNOW THE BUILDING, WE MAY NEED SOME WORK, BUT YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OUR EXISTING COUNTY BUILDING, IT WOULD BE WALKING DISTANCE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          UH, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THAT BUILDING IF WE COULD GET IT UP THE CAR? WELL FIRST OF ALL, THE BUILDING HAS ABSOLUTELY NO WINDOWS IN IT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, AS IF THAT GIVES US THE EXTRA SPACE, I'M NOT GOING TO SPIT ON THAT. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, IT IS NOT A PARTICULARLY DESIRABLE LOCATION AND I WOULD LIKE A FULL MOLD TEST BEFORE ANYBODY GOES IN THERE. 
          WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF MOLD ISSUES YEAH. 
          IN OUR CURRENT FACILITIES AND DO NOT WANNA REPEAT THAT PROCESS EVER AGAIN. 
          I WITH YOU ON THAT , I WOULD HOPE THAT BUILDING BEING A LITTLE NEWER, UH, IN ITS LIFECYCLE WOULD WOULDN'T HAVE THOSE ISSUES. 
          BUT WE'D ABSOLUTELY CHECK IT FOR SAFETY BEFORE IT'D BE CONSIDERED. 
          AND, AND I HAVEN'T BEEN IN THE BUILDING YET EITHER. 
          I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S CONDITION. 
          UH, I KNOW IT USED TO BE USED FOR OFFICE SPACE AND IT HAD A LOT OF OFFICES IN IT. 
          UH, AT ONE TIME. 
          I, LIKE I SAID, I HAVEN'T BEEN IN IT IN A VERY LONG TIME. 
          UH, IT WAS JUST WE'RE TALKING CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I WOULD THROW IT OUT AS AN OPTION. 
          IT'S BEEN THROWN OUT AS AN OPTION BEFORE. 
          YEAH. 
          ON IT. 
          IT'S NOTHING WE'RE REALLY IN LOVE WITH BECAUSE NONE OF MY PEOPLE LIKE THE IDEA OF LUGGING A BOX OF FILES OUT IN THE RAIN ACROSS THE STREET INTO THE COURTHOUSE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING WITH THAT TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REMEMBER OR NOT, BUT I GUESS WHEN WE BUILT A PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, THE, THE THOUGHT PROCESS THERE WAS, LIKE I SAID, EVERYBODY'S HURTING FOR SPACE. 
          I THINK THE INITIAL THOUGHT WAS TO TAKE THAT PROPERTY THERE AND MAKE IT ANOTHER J AND D COURT. 
          THAT'S BEEN A PROPOSAL THAT'S BEEN OUT THERE AS WELL. 
          IT JUST BASICALLY FLATTEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND PUT, IF YOU GO TO SHENANDOAH, THEY HAVE THEIR OLD COURTHOUSE AND THEN THEY BUILT A JUVENILE COURT, GENERAL DISTRICT COURT, UH, COMPLEX THAT ALSO CAST THE COUNTY. 
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YEAH. 
          THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE PLUS VICTIM, WITNESS PLUS ASAP, PLUS A NUMBER OF OTHER ASSOCIATED OFFICES IN THAT, UH, NEWER BUILDING. 
          AND THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OVER DOING SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH THAT PROPERTY. 
          AND THAT COULD ALLEVIATE A LOT OF THE SPACE NEEDS I WOULD THINK TOO. 
          YES. 
          AGAIN, PUT THAT ON YOUR LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          THE LIST GROWS AND GROWS. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S LIKE, YEAH. 
          WHERE WE FIND THE CASH FOR A BRAND NEW COURTHOUSE. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE, I DON'T KNOW. 
          THAT'S A LOT OF BIG SALES. 
          IT UH, ALSO YOU HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE PARKING. 
          YEP. 
          'CAUSE YOU BUILD A BUILDING THERE, YOU LOSE YOUR PARKING. 
          IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A PROBLEM NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO. 
          ALWAYS A TRADE OFF. 
          ONE OF THE PROPOSALS I HEARD WAS, UH, KNOCKING THE OLD BUILDING DOWN, GOING UP AND THEN PUTTING A PARKING GARAGE NEXT DOOR. 
          I I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S ENOUGH ROOM OR ALL THERE. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I, I VISUALIZE THAT 'CAUSE I PARK THERE IF I'M, YOU KNOW, GOING INTO, UM, I WENT INTO, UM, JUDGE FUN'S, UH, RECOVERY COURT AND I, I, I PARKED THERE AND I WAS THINKING, YOU KNOW, BE NICE TO PUT UP A BUILDING THERE, BUT THEN WHERE WOULD YOU PARK? AND I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE PARKS THERE, SO IT'S, UM, YEAH. 
          PARKING IN ANY DOWNTOWN IS, IS A PROBLEM FOR ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO SOMETHING TO FIGURE OUT THAT'S FOR CERTAIN. 
          SO WE'LL BE GRATEFUL FOR ANY CONSIDERATION FOR THE FUTURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING WORKS CURRENTLY. 
          IT DOESN'T WORK WELL, BUT IT WORKS WELL ENOUGH. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE'LL, YOU KNOW, MUMBLE ALONG UNTIL WE CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING BETTER. 
          WELL, THANK YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN. 
          GLAD TO SEE YOU TODAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MR. 
          [A.4. Department of Social Services - Jon Martz, Director of Social Services]
MARS, YOUR TURN FOR DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SERVICES. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          I JUST GOT A TEXT FROM MY STAFF WHO WAS WATCHING. 
          THEY SAID IF YOU'RE GIVING OUT BUILDINGS, THEY'D LOVE ONE TOO. 
          . 
          SO I, I THINK THERE'D BE A LONG LINE , A LONG NEEDED LINE, BUT WE'VE GOTTA PLANT MORE MONEY TREES AND HOPE THEY GROW. 
          WE'LL, WE'LL GET ON RIGHT ON THAT. 
          SO, UM, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          UH, I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF SOCIAL SERVICES AND OUR UH, ASSISTANT DIRECTOR CHRISTIE LAWSON IS HERE. 
          OUR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES MANAGER, UM, IS HERE IN THE JANELLE CLARK. 
          OUR, UM, CSA COORDINATOR IS HERE AS WELL FOR THE CSA PORTION OF TODAY'S SHOW. 
          UM, I TOLD DR. MARTIN WHEN HE CAME OVER THE FIRST TIME THAT YOU NEVER SEE ONE OF US 'CAUSE WE TRAVEL IN PACKS AND, UH, WE ARE TRUE TO OUR WORD TODAY. 
          SO, UH, I WANTED TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF, UH, BACKGROUND INFORMATION. 
          I KNOW YOUR TIME IS PRECIOUS, SO I WILL KEEP IT BRIEF. 
          BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT OF WHERE WE'RE HEADED THIS YEAR. 
          IF I CAN GET, THERE WE GO. 
          SO OUR CLIENT VERSUS NON-CLIENT POPULATION, UH, APPROXIMATELY 41,000 PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, 14,000, OVER 14,000 RECEIVED SOCIAL SERVICES LAST YEAR. 
          UM, NOW THAT IS DOWN A LITTLE BIT FROM THE YEAR BEFORE, BUT IT IS FULLY, THERE WE GO. 
          34% OF THE POPULATION OF WARREN COUNTY COMES THROUGH THE DOORS OF SOCIAL SERVICES EVERY SINGLE YEAR TO WHAT DO YOU, IT IT SEEMED LIKE OVER 1500 DOWN. 
          I'M WONDERING WHAT CAUSED THAT? DO YOU KNOW WHAT CHANGED? I'M GONNA APOLOGIZE. 
          MY HEARING AID ISN'T WORKING, SO SHE'S GONNA HELP OUT. 
          UH, IT WENT DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE'RE FINALLY OUT OF THE COVID ERA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND MEDICAID IS THE MAIN REASON WHY IT DID GO DOWN. 
          BECAUSE DURING COVID ID IF YOU HAD MEDICAID, YOU KEPT IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, NOW THAT COVID IS OVER, YOU HAVE TO RENEW IT EVERY YEAR. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND SOME PEOPLE EITHER MOVED OR THEY DIDN'T SEND IN THEIR PAPERWORK OR THEY'RE NO LONGER ELIGIBLE FOR THOSE PROGRAMS. THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          SO TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ABOUT 2025, THIS IS CALENDAR YEAR, UH, 6,000 RESIDENTS RECEIVED SNAP HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          11,940 RECEIVED MEDICAID. 
          AND THAT'S DOWN FROM ABOUT 12 FIVE THE YEAR BEFORE. 
          SO THAT'S THE MAJOR CHANGE WE SAW IN OUR NUMBERS 10 NF TEMPORARY ASSISTANCE FOR NEEDY FAMILIES. 
          THAT'S 375. 
          WE HAD 48 CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE. 
          IF YOU REMEMBER JUST A FEW YEARS AGO, 
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ABOUT THREE YEARS AGO, WE HAD 18 AND THEN WE HAD A HUGE INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN, UH, IN FOSTER CARE. 
          IT'S KIND OF LEVELED OFF NOW, BUT UH, KNOCK ON WOOD, IT COULD ALWAYS GO BACK UP. 
          WE HAD 762 CPS REFERRALS, WHICH MEANS SOMEBODY CALLED OUR OFFICE TO FILE, UH, AN ALLEGED ALLEGATION OF, UM, ABUSE OR NEGLECT TOWARDS CHILDREN. 
          AND THAT INCLUDED 985 KIDS WERE IN THOSE REFERRALS. 
          UM, 985 CHILDREN WERE SUBJECT TO A CPS REFERRAL LAST YEAR ALONE. 
          UH, A PS REFERRALS. 
          WE HAD 437 AND 431 ADULTS WERE INVOLVED IN A PS CASES. 
          UM, THAT IS A HUGE INCREASE. 
          UH, THE PAST THREE YEARS, IT'S DOUBLED NOW THAT POPULATION IS THE FASTEST GROWING POPULATION WE HAVE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO IT DOES FIGURE THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE MORE CALLS, BUT WE'RE GETTING A LOT MORE CALLS FOR ABUSE, NEGLECT, AND FINANCIAL EXPLOITATION OF OUR SENIORS. 
          WE CAN'T TALK ABOUT SOCIAL SERVICES WITHOUT TALKING ABOUT THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL HR ONE, UH, WHICH PASSED AND WAS SIGNED TO LAW JULY 4TH, 2025 BECAUSE IT'S GONNA HAVE MAJOR IMPACT ON FINANCES FOR SOCIAL SERVICES ACROSS THE NATION, VIRGINIA AND WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, THE BIG CHANGES AS FAR AS SOCIAL SERVICES ARE CONCERNED IN THIS BILL IS THE SNAP ADMINISTRATIVE COST SHARE. 
          THE COST OF DOING THE SNAP PROGRAM OF JUST, UM, FILLING OUT THE APPLICATIONS, PROCESSING THE APPLICATIONS, THE SNAP CARDS, NOT THE SNAP BENEFIT ITSELF, BUT JUST THE COST OF THE PROGRAM. 
          TRADITIONALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS PAID 50% OF THAT COST. 
          THE STATE HAS PAID 50% OF THAT COST. 
          HR ONE IS NOW SHIFTING 25% OF THAT COST TO THE STATES. 
          SO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL BE PICKING UP 25% AND THE STATES WILL BE PICKING UP 75%. 
          AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT LATER ABOUT WHAT THAT MEANS TO US. 
          'CAUSE IT IS GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, EXPANDED SNAP WORK REQUIREMENTS. 
          THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN A WORK REQUIREMENT FOR SNAP. 
          UH, YOU MAY HEAR YOUR NEIGHBORS TALKING ABOUT, HEY, THEY GET FOOD STAMPS AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING FOR IT. 
          NOT TRUE, NEVER HAS BEEN TRUE, NEVER WILL BE TRUE. 
          IN ORDER TO GET SNAP, YOU HAVE TO DO SOMETHING WORK RELATED. 
          UM, NOW THE MEDICAID WORK REQUIREMENT IS NEW AND THAT IS COMING NEXT YEAR. 
          UH, SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE RECEIVING MEDICAID MAY BE A SUBJECT TO A WORK REQUIREMENT MOVING FORWARD. 
          FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS STILL WORKING OUT THE DETAILS ON THAT. 
          AND THEN MORE FREQUENT MEDICAID ELIGIBILITY RETURN REDETERMINATIONS. 
          UM, FOR THE EXPA, THERE'S A MEDICAID EXPANDED GROUP AND YOU WEREN'T ELIGIBLE FOR MEDICAID. 
          NORMALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT EXPANDED WHO COULD BE ELIGIBLE. 
          AND SO THAT POPULATION NOW HAS TO HAVE A RENEWAL EVERY SIX MONTHS INSTEAD OF EVERY 12 MONTHS. 
          AND SO YOU'RE DOUBLING THE WORK THAT YOU HAVE TO DO. 
          A RENEWAL IS ABOUT A 20 PAGE DOCUMENT. 
          IT'S ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF INTERVIEW AND ALL OF THE RESOURCES HAVE TO BE VERIFIED BY OUR STAFF. 
          UM, THIS WAS REALLY CONCERNING WHEN IT CAME OUT. 
          THEY REDEFINED IT A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT ABOUT 12 TO 1500 PEOPLE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY WHO ARE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE SIX MONTHS RENEWALS FOR THEIR MEDICAID MOVING FORWARD. 
          SO THAT IS GONNA BE QUITE AN IMPACT TIME-WISE ON OUR STAFF. 
          THE IMPACT OF THE INCREASE OF THE ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS FOR THE SNAP PROGRAM, UM, AS I SAID PREVIOUSLY IT WAS 50 50 BETWEEN THE FEDERAL AND THE STATE. 
          UM, BEGINNING OCTOBER 1ST, 26 STATES NOW HAVE TO PAY 75% OF THAT COST. 
          AND VIRGINIA, THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT $90 MILLION THAT VIRGINIA IS GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH TO KEEP THE SNAP PROGRAM ALIVE. 
          NOW SNAP PROGRAM IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM ON THE STATE LEVEL. 
          STATES DON'T HAVE TO PARTICIPATE IN SNAP IF THEY DON'T WANT TO. 
          ALL 50 DO PARTICIPATE. 
          SO VIRGINIA COULD SAY COST TOO MUCH, WE'RE NOT DOING IT ANYMORE. 
          SNAP GOES AWAY. 
          I DOUBT THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT. 
          UM, IF VIRGINIA SAYS YES, WE'RE PARTICIPATING IN SNAP LOCALITIES HAVE TO PARTICIPATE, YOU DON'T GET TO OPT OUT OF THAT. 
          UM, LOCALITIES HAVE A 15.5% MATCH FOR ALL STATE FUNDING PROGRAMS. SO $90 MILLION EACH LOCALITY WOULD HAVE A 15 AND A HALF PERCENT MATCH RATE FOR THAT ADMINISTRATIVE COST FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          THAT WOULD EQUAL ABOUT $186,000 THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO ADD TO OUR BUDGET. 
          UNFUNDED MANDATE FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT THAT IF VIRGINIA'S HAVING SNAP WARREN COUNTY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 
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TO COME UP WITH AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY. 
          NOW THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IS LOOKING AT COVERING THAT COST. 
          THERE ARE TWO BILLS RIGHT NOW, UH, TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS OF THE BUDGET. 
          UH, THERE'S A HOUSE VERSION AND A SENATE VERSION. 
          AND THE GA ONE VERSION COVERS THIS COST. 
          ONE VERSION DOES NOT. 
          SO WE WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL THEY PASS THEIR BUDGET IF THAT COST IS GONNA BE PASSED DOWN TO THE LOCALITY OR IF THE STATE'S GONNA ABSORB IT. 
          UM, THEY'VE ALREADY GONE THROUGH CROSSOVER. 
          WHEN THEY GET TOGETHER TO TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET AND THEY MAIL THEIR BUDGETS, THAT'S WHEN WE'LL FIND OUT ABOUT THIS. 
          BUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THERE'S $186,000 MORE THAT WARREN COUNTY'S GONNA HAVE TO PAY JUST TO HAVE THE SNAP PROGRAM, WHICH WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE IN HAVING. 
          THAT'S NOT THE ONLY CHANGE THOUGH, UH, BECAUSE THE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS GOING TO 75 25. 
          IT'S ALSO GONNA AFFECT OUR FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENTS, WHICH COME TO US THROUGH PASS THROUGH DOLLARS. 
          SO THIS IS, THE STATE IS OUT OF IT AT THAT POINT. 
          BUT WE DO GET, WARREN COUNTY BRINGS IN REIMBURSEMENT FROM THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          BUT BECAUSE THE ADMINISTRATIVE SHARE IS GOING UP FOR LOCALITIES, THE AMOUNT OF REIMBURSEMENT WE GET THROUGH THAT PASS THROUGH, WHICH IS GENERALLY ABOUT 35 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, IT'S GONNA GO DOWN TO ABOUT 27 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE ABOUT A COST OF $122,000 FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          THE STATE IS NOT LOOKING TO PICK THAT UP, UH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT PART OF THE STATE REIMBURSEMENT. 
          SO WE KNOW FOR A FACT OF THAT IS GONNA BE ADDED IN TO, UH, THE COST TO WARREN COUNTY FOR THE SNAP PROGRAM BECAUSE OF HR ONE. 
          BUT WAIT, THERE'S MORE . 
          UH, THERE'S ALSO AN ERROR RATE WHEN IT COMES TO SNAP AND I'M SURE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT THIS, WHERE STATES WILL NOW INCUR A PENALTY IF THEIR, UM, FEDERAL ERROR RATE FOR THE SNAP PROGRAM IS ABOVE A CERTAIN AMOUNT. 
          IF IT'S BELOW 6%, THERE'S NO PENALTY. 
          VIRGINIA'S IS AT 11.5% RIGHT NOW. 
          RIGHT. 
          THAT MEANS WE'RE OVER 10%, WHICH MEANS IT COULD BE $270 MILLION THAT VIRGINIA WILL BE ASSESSED AS A SNAP PENALTY FOR THEIR ERROR RATE. 
          WHY IS THE ERROR RATE SO HIGH? WELL, ABOUT FOUR OR FIVE YEARS AGO, THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA DECIDED NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE WERE RECEIVING SNAP. 
          THEY WANTED TO MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO RECEIVE SNAP. 
          SO WHAT THEY DID IS THEY RELAXED ON THE STATE LEVEL. 
          SOME OF THE VERIFICATIONS NEEDED TO APPLY AND BE APPROVED FOR SNAP, UM, RESIDENCY REQUIREMENTS, UH, SOME INCOME REQUIREMENTS. 
          VIRGINIA STARTED TEACHING OUR PEOPLE TO SIMPLY TAKE CLIENT STATEMENT AS PROOF. 
          THIS IS HOW THEY TRAINED ALL OF OUR PEOPLE TO DO. 
          THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT NEVER CHANGED THEIR REGULATIONS. 
          YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE ACTUAL, UM, VERIFICATIONS FOR IT. 
          WHEN ASKED THE COMMISSIONER OF DSS SAID, WELL NOBODY WAS TRACKING ERROR RATE, SO IT DIDN'T MATTER. 
          WE WANTED MORE PEOPLE ON THE ROLL. 
          WELL, THE PRICE YOU'RE GONNA PAY NOW IS YOU HAVE AN 11 HALF PERCENT ERROR RATE. 
          'CAUSE YOU WEREN'T DOING IT RIGHT AND YOU WERE TEACHING YOUR PEOPLE TO DO IT WRONG. 
          THAT'S A BIG ISSUE. 
          PEOPLE ARE WATCHING NOW. 
          AND SO NOW WE HAVE TO GET OUR ERROR RATE DOWN AND OUR NEW COMMISSIONER WHO JUST CAME INTO OFFICE HAS SAID THERE'S NO WAY IT'S GONNA BE UNDER 6% BY THE TIME THIS, UM, 20 FISCAL FEDERAL FISCAL YEAR 27 STARTS. 
          SO VIRGINIA IS FACING SOME TYPE OF PENALTY. 
          MORE THAN LIKELY. 
          UH, THERE IS NO CURRENT PLAN. 
          NOBODY'S TALKING ABOUT IS THIS GONNA BE A STATE COVERED FEE. 
          WHERE THE LOCALITY'S GONNA PAY THERE IS THEY CAN'T EVEN TRACK WHICH LOCALITIES CONTRIBUTE TO THE ERROR RATE IN WHICH DON'T. 
          UM, THE ONLY WAY WE CAN FIGURE IT OUT IS THAT WE CAN GET A LIST OF THE CASES THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT READ AND SET ARE AN ERROR. 
          THEN WE COMPARE THOSE CASES TO OUR CURRENT CASELOAD TO SEE IF ONE OF OUR CASES SHOWS UP THERE. 
          RIGHT? THE LAST TIME WE CHECKED, NONE OF OUR CASES SHOWED UP THERE SO WE DIDN'T HAVE AN ERROR. 
          RIGHT? THAT MAY NOT MATTER. 
          WE COULD HAVE A 0% ERROR RATE AND STILL INCUR A PENALTY IF THEY DECIDE ALL LOCALITIES HAVE TO PITCH IN, THEY COULD DECIDE, OKAY, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO ATTRIBUTE CASE ERRORS TO THE LOCALITIES AND FIGURE OUT, OKAY, IF WARREN HAD ONE ERROR AND FAIRFAX HAD 180,000. 
          SHOULDN'T THEY BE PAYING MORE? THEY HAVEN'T FIGURED THAT OUT YET. 
          THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO THAT YET. 
          UM, BUT THEY ARE 
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TRYING TO MAKE SO THAT OUR ERRORS GO DOWN. 
          PERSONALLY, THEY MAY READ THREE WARREN CASES A YEAR. 
          THEY'RE GONNA READ A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR RICHMOND CITY, A WHOLE LOT MORE FOR FAIRFAX. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE A WHOLE LOT BIGGER, RIGHT? THE DOWNSIDE OF THAT IS IF THEY PULL THE WRONG CASE, AND I HAVE 6,000 PEOPLE GETTING SNAP AND 5,999 OF 'EM ARE CORRECT, AND THEY PULL THE ONE THAT ISN'T. 
          OUR ERROR RATE IS NOW UP REALLY, REALLY HIGH. 
          SO THE STATE'S GONNA NEED TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THIS MOVING FORWARD. 
          AS I SAID, IT COULD BE UP, IF IT'S OVER 10%, IT COULD BE $270 MILLION PLUS YOUR $90 MILLION ADMINISTRATIVE INCREASE FOR SNAP. 
          SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT THIS FISCAL YEAR, BUT THE NEXT ONE, THEY COSTING $360 MILLION OR MORE TO RUN THE SNAP PROGRAM HERE IN VIRGINIA. 
          SO WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT? AS YOU CAN SEE, I GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION, WHAT THE STATE'S DOING. 
          THEY'RE DRAFTING LANGUAGE TO SAY, HEY, I GUESS WE SHOULD BE FOLLOWING THE RULES. 
          THERE ARE DESIGNING TRAINING AND THEY ARE MONITORING COMPLETION OF REQUIRED COURSES, DEVELOPING CONTENT FOR FUTURE WEBINARS, AND, UM, DEVELOPING LOCAL SCORECARD. 
          SO YOU KNOW HOW YOU'RE DOING. 
          UH, THIS PAST JULY, OUR FORMER GOVERNOR PUT OUT AN EXECUTIVE ORDER SAYING, WE NEED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS. 
          NOW. 
          WARREN COUNTY LISTENED AND IMMEDIATELY WE MADE CORRECTIONS THAT THE STATE HAS NOT MADE. 
          WE IMMEDIATELY, WHEN WE FIGURED OUT THEY WERE TEACHING OUR PEOPLE WRONG, WE RETRAINED EVERYBODY TO DO IT RIGHT. 
          WE'RE FOLLOWING THE FEDERAL REGULATIONS FOR DETERMINING ELIGIBILITY FOR SNAP, NOT WHAT THE STATE HAS BEEN TEACHING FOR THE PAST SEVERAL YEARS. 
          ALL OF OUR STAFF HAS BEEN RETRAINED. 
          ALL OF OUR STAFF HAS OUR CASES READ. 
          UM, WE DID REQUEST THE, UM, COPY OF THE QC CHECKLIST DIRECTLY FROM THE FEDS SO WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO WHAT THEY'RE READING. 
          WE HAVEN'T RECEIVED THAT YET, BUT WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO COBBLE TOGETHER OUR OWN FORM BASED ON WHAT WE KNOW THE STATEWIDE ERRORS HAVE BEEN. 
          WE'VE BEEN VERY PROACTIVE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE WE ARE NOT GONNA BE THE CAUSE OF BEING OVER 6%. 
          UM, SO HEADING INTO OUR BUDGET, WE'RE ALREADY BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL QUARTER MILLION DOLLARS. 
          UH, I DID WANT TO TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF, UM, CHANGES FROM ONE FISCAL YEAR TO THE OTHER FOR OPERATIONS, UH, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. 
          WE HAVE TRANSLATION TRANSCRIPTION SERVICES. 
          WE ARE BOUND BY FEDERAL LAW TO PROVIDE TRANSLATION SERVICES TO ANYBODY WHO WALKS IN. 
          UM, A FEW YEARS AGO, CAITLYN JORDAN WAS WORKING WITH US BECAUSE WE HAD, UH, A COMPLAINT ABOUT, UM, SIGN LANGUAGE. 
          AND SO WE HAD TO ALTER OUR TRANSLATION SERVICES AVAILABLE. 
          WE CANNOT REQUIRE ANYBODY TO BRING THEIR OWN TRANSLATOR. 
          WE CANNOT REQUIRE ANYBODY TO COME BACK WHEN WE CAN ARRANGE A TRANSLATOR. 
          SO WE HAVE TO HAVE CONTRACTS WITH TRANSLATION COMPANIES WHO CAN DO IT ON THE SPOT WHEN WE CALL THEM. 
          UH, SO THAT'S DRIVING OUR COST UP, UH, MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. 
          UM, ASHLYN HERE HAS BEEN ABLE TO COMBINE SEVERAL OF OUR MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY GOING DOWN IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET. 
          HAD TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF GOOD NEWS, UH, IN HERE. 
          UH, SO A COMBINATION OF SEVERAL MAINTENANCE CONTRACTS MEANS IT'S GONNA BE A LITTLE BIT LOWER, AND ASHLAND'S BEEN REALLY GOOD ABOUT LOOKING AT OUR BUDGET AND SEEING WHERE WE CAN, UH, GET SOME SAVINGS, WHERE WE CAN. 
          UM, COMMUNICATION. 
          THE STATE IS MANDATING CERTAIN PROGRAMS AND OUR, ALL OF OUR SERVICES PROGRAMS, OUR CPS, OUR FOSTER CARE PREVENTION, UH, THEY ARE DESIGNING A NEW COMPUTER SYSTEM TO HOUSE THAT INFORMATION. 
          IT'S GONNA BE COMPATIBLE WITH STATE CELL PHONES. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO GET RID OF ALL OF OUR LOCAL CELL PHONES AND GET STATE CELL PHONES NOW IN ORDER TO BE USED AS PROGRAM. 
          UM, OUR RENT, EVERY FIVE YEARS, OUR RENT GOES UP. 
          AND THIS IS LUCKY YEAR NUMBER FIVE. 
          AND SO IT'S GONNA GO UP TO, UH, A HUNDRED, 1000, UM, DOLLARS. 
          UM, IF, IF YOU WANT TO GIVE US A NEW BUILDING, WE'LL CERTAINLY TAKE IT. 
          SO, UM, TRAVEL TRAINING IN DUES. 
          UH, A COUPLE YEARS AGO, THE STATE, UH, FUNDED A TRAINING ACADEMY FOR SOCIAL SERVICES AND IN TRUE GOVERNMENTAL FACTION, UH, WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR IT. 
          UM, BUT THEY ARE SAYING IT'S GONNA START NEXT FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND WHAT THAT MEANS IS, PREVIOUSLY THEY HAD REGIONAL OFFICES. 
          OUR CLOSEST REGIONAL OFFICE WAS IN WARRENTON. 
          SO IF YOU WERE NEW, YOU GO TO A TRAINING, IT'S A DAY TRIP TO WARRENTON, YOU WOULD GET TRAINED, 
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YOU COULD COME BACK. 
          NOW IT'S ALL GONNA BE IN RICHMOND. 
          AND SO WE HAVE TO SEND OUR PEOPLE TO RICHMOND FOR A WEEK AT A TIME, SEVERAL TIMES NOW. 
          THE THE STATE WILL PAY FOR THE HOTEL, THE STATE WILL PAY FOR THE TRAINING, BUT WE HAVE TO PAY TO GET 'EM DOWN THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE TIME. 
          WE HAVE TO PAY FOR THE FOOD. 
          UM, AND SO THAT IS, UH, GONNA BE A LARGER TRAINING EXPENSE COMING NOW THAT THE TRAINING ACADEMY IS SUPPOSEDLY GOING TO BE, UH, KICKING OFF NEXT YEAR. 
          UM, VEHICLE DEPRECIATION. 
          OUR CURRENT FLEET, WE HAVE A CAR THAT'S SOLD ENOUGH TO DRINK. 
          UH, IT'S FROM 2001 AND IT IS A STAFF FAVORITE CAR. 
          IT'S A JEEP. 
          AND THE GARAGE HAS TOLD US, AND ASHLAND CAN VOUCH FOR THIS, STOP BRINGING IT TO US. 
          WE CAN'T FIX IT ANYMORE. 
          UM, WHICH IS GONNA MAKE A LOT OF OUR STAFF SAD BECAUSE THEY LOVE THAT THING. 
          IT'S A BUCKET OF BOLTS. 
          BUT WE DO NEED TO REPLACE ONE VEHICLE. 
          UM, THERE SHOULD BE MOST OF OUR FLEET UP TO FAIRLY RECENT STATUS. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, NON-REIMBURSABLE COST. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE BIG LOCAL COST IS GONNA BE. 
          AND THERE ARE TWO MAIN DRIVERS TO THAT. 
          ONE IS THE FOSTER CARE CONSORTIUM THAT WE JOINED LAST YEAR WITH THE BOARD'S PERMISSION TO GET LOCAL FOSTER HOMES. 
          AND THE OTHER ONE IS OUR SOLUTION TO THE NEEDS OF STAFF, WHICH I'M ABOUT TO TALK ABOUT NOW. 
          UH, MANDATED PROGRAMS. UH, OUR AUXILIARY GRANTS. 
          THERE'S A STATE MAN MANDATED COLA THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT GOES UP, UH, FOR A FOSTER CARE. 
          THERE ARE, OF COURSE, MORE KIDS IN FOSTER CARE. 
          SO THAT EXPENSE GOES UP. 
          UM, FOSTERING FUTURES AND KIN GAPS ALL CONNECTED TO FOSTER CARE. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE MAJOR DRIVERS THERE. 
          GOOD NEWS ABOUT THE MANDATED PROGRAMS IS THAT IT'S ALMOST FULLY REIMBURSABLE. 
          SO WHILE WARREN COUNTY HAS TO PUT UP THOSE, THAT MONEY UP FRONT, YOU GET ALL OF THAT MONEY BACK AND ASHLAND CAN TELL YOU HOW THE REIMBURSEMENTS WORK. 
          IF YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT HOW THE COUNTY GETS REIMBURSED FOR THE EXPENDITURES THAT THEY MAKE, I WANTED TO BRING THIS SLIDE TO YOUR ATTENTION. 
          UM, OUR NEIGHBOR, OUR AVERAGE SALARIES AT WARREN COUNTY DSS COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS, AND BY NEIGHBORS, I MEAN FREDERICK PAGE, RAPPAHANNOCK, SHENANDOAH, AND WINCHESTER. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW OUR HUMAN SERVICE ASSISTANTS, OUR CASE AIDES, MAKE ABOUT 15% LESS THAN THEY CAN IF THEY GO ACROSS THE CRIME LINE, GO ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT THE ONLY ONE IN THAT BOAT. 
          I KNOW THE SCHOOLS ARE IN THAT BOAT. 
          I KNOW FIRE AND RESCUE'S IN THAT BOAT OR LAW ENFORCEMENT IS IN THAT SAME BOAT, WHETHER IT'S, BUT DSS IS THERE AS WELL. 
          UH, OUR BENEFIT PROGRAM SPECIALISTS, THE ONES WHO DO SNAP AND MEDICAID, UH, THEY MAKE ABOUT 14% LESS THAN THEIR NEIGHBORS AND OUR FAMILY SERVICES SPECIALISTS, OUR CPS WORKERS MAKE ABOUT, UM, I CAN'T, 16% LESS IN MY EYES. 
          OH MY GOODNESS. 
          I WANNA BRING YOUR ATTENTION TO THE LAST SENTENCE THERE. 
          14.5% OF CURRENT WARN DSS WORKERS ARE ELIGIBLE FOR SERVICES THROUGH OUR OFFICE. 
          SNAP MEDICAID THEY MAKE BELOW THE POVERTY LINE, 14.5%. 
          AND THOSE ARE JUST THE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS. 
          WE HAVE WORKERS WHO DON'T LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY, WHO WOULD BE ELIGIBLE NEAR, UM, LOCALITIES AS WELL. 
          JUST AS A COMPARISON. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW DR. MARTIN IS, UM, WAS THE INTERIM'S SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR TOO. 
          I THREW IN A SCHOOL COMPARISON FOR US HERE. 
          UM, A NEW TEACHER STARTING OUT AT WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL FROM GRADES ONE TO FIVE, UH, FOUR YEAR DEGREE, JUST LIKE MY CPS WORKERS, UH, ELIGIBLE FOR A CERTIFICATION, UM, NO ON-CALL AS OPPOSED TO MY STAFF WHO HAS TO BE ON CALL, 10 MONTH CONTRACT VERSUS A 12 MONTH CONTRACT. 
          YOU CAN GO BE A TEACHER FOR $52,919 STARTING OUT A YEAR ACCORDING TO WARREN COUNTY'S PAY SCHEDULE, WHICH WE PULLED OFF. 
          IF YOU COME WORK FOR ME, I'M GONNA PAY YOU $41,432. 
          I HAD TWO PEOPLE THE LAST THREE YEARS DECIDE IT WAS EASIER TO GO BE A TEACHER. 
          THEY WERE GONNA MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          AND SO THEY LEFT US TO THOSE SCHOOL DISTRICTS. 
          SO WE'RE HELPING OUT OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT BY SENDING THEM QUALITY PEOPLE. 
          SO WHAT CAN WE DO ABOUT THIS? MONEY IS LIMITED. 
          THERE'S NOT UNLIMITED MONEY TO HAVE RAISES OUT THERE TO GET EVERYBODY WHERE THEY NEED TO BE. 
          SO YOU HAVE TO BE CREATIVE. 
          YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT'S A GOOD PLACE TO WORK IT. 
          YOU GIVE THEM THE SUPPORT THAT THEY NEED, WHICH IS WHERE OUR CASE AID SERVICE REQUEST COMES IN. 
          UM, ALL OF OUR SOCIAL WORKERS, OUR CPS, 
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OUR PREVENTION, OUR PERMANENCY WORKERS, THEY WENT TO SCHOOL TO WORK WITH FAMILIES AND WORK WITH CHILDREN. 
          AND WHEN THEY GOT OUT IN THE REAL WORLD, THEY REALIZED THAT IT WAS 95% PAPERWORK. 
          AND THE TIME THAT THEY GOT TO SPEND ACTUALLY WORKING WITH FAMILIES WAS VERY LIMITED BECAUSE OF ALL THE REPORTS YOU HAVE TO WRITE AND ALL THE DOCUMENTATION YOU HAVE TO GET. 
          AND IT'S VERY TIME CONSUMING. 
          SO WE STARTED THINKING, WHAT CAN WE DO TO HAVE OUR PEOPLE ACTUALLY DO THE WORK THEY WERE HIRED TO DO AND NOT SIT BEHIND A DESK DOING PAPERWORK? SO WE WERE CONTACTED BY A COMPANY CALLED NORTHWEST OR OUT OF OHIO, AND THEY DO THE CASE AID WORK AND THEY DO, UM, DOCUMENTATION AND DATA PROCESSING. 
          THEY WILL, UM, OUR PEOPLE GO ON A, A VISIT TO A FAMILY. 
          THEY CAN CALL AND SAY, OKAY, I'M GONNA DICTATE MY NOTES TO YOU. 
          THEY DO THE WRITING OF IT. 
          THEY PUT IT IN THE SYSTEM. 
          BY THE TIME THEIR WORKER GETS BACK TO THE OFFICE, IT'S ALREADY UPLOADED, UPLOADED INTO THE STATE SYSTEM. 
          UM, THEY CAN HELP WITH THE PAPERWORK. 
          THEY CAN DOCUMENT, UH, VISITATIONS. 
          THEY CAN HELP WITH TRANSCRIPTIONS. 
          UM, A PS SPENDS A LOT OF TIME TRYING TO GET MEDICAL RECORDS, CALLING AND CALLING AND CALLING AND CALLING. 
          THESE PEOPLE WOULD DO THAT FOR 'EM. 
          WE PUT IN ONE REQUEST. 
          THESE PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          WE GET THE DOCUMENTATION ON THE BACK END, UM, REFERRAL SUPPORT. 
          WE HAVE A CHILD IN FOSTER CARE NOW WHO'S IN, UM, PRINCIPAL WILLIAM, I BELIEVE. 
          AND THE CHILD'S WORKER COULD NOT FIND SERVICES THAT THE CHILD NEEDED. 
          ONE REFERRAL INSTEAD OF MY WORKER SPENDING 10 HOURS ON THE PHONE TRYING TO TRACK DOWN THAT SERVICE. 
          SPENT 10 MINUTES, MADE A REFERRAL, THEY TRACK DOWN AND THEY DO THE LEGWORK AND THEY REPORT BACK TO US. 
          HE, THIS IS WHAT'S AVAILABLE WHERE THE CHILD IS LIVING. 
          THIS IS THE INSURANCE. 
          THEY TAKE MEDICAID AND WE CAN MAKE A REFERRAL. 
          UM, I GOT THIS DIRECTLY FROM THE COMPANY. 
          UH, THIS IS A COMPANY, AN AGENCY THEY WORKED WITH IN OHIO, CLINTON COUNTY. 
          AND THEY SHOWED PERCENTAGE OF SAFETY ASSESSMENTS COMPLETED ON TIME. 
          PRE INVOLVEMENT OF THEIR COMPANY WAS AT 51%, UP TO 94%. 
          AND ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE HAVE HERE LOCALLY IS THAT MY PEOPLE ARE OUT DOING THE WORK. 
          THE NOTES DON'T GET INTO THIS SYSTEM IN A TIMELY MANNER BECAUSE THEY'RE OUT DOING THE WORK. 
          AND SO YOU MAY LOOK AT YOUR NUMBERS SAYING, OKAY, DID YOU DO THIS TIMELY? WELL, IT WAS DONE TIMELY. 
          YES, THE NOTE WASN'T PUT IN TIMELY BECAUSE THEY WERE DRIVING BACK FROM WHEREVER THEY WERE AND COULDN'T GET THE NOTE IN TIMELY. 
          THIS TAKES CARE OF THAT. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THE NUMBERS WENT UP. 
          THEY GOT, UM, MORE EFFECTIVE AND IT GIVES THE WORKER MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE FAMILY, MORE TIME TO WORK WITH THE CHILD, WHICH THEN DRIVES UP YOUR REUNIFICATION NUMBERS. 
          KIDS AREN'T GOING THROUGH TO TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RIGHTS. 
          THEY'RE BEING REUNITED WITH THEIR FAMILIES. 
          AND THAT IS THE MAIN GOAL FOR FOSTER CARE. 
          IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN. 
          UM, ONCE YOU'RE IN FOSTER CARE, TRADITIONALLY PEOPLE SAY, OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA GET ADOPTED. 
          NO, WE WANTED TO SEND YOU HOME. 
          AND PREFERABLY I'D LIKE TO PREVENT FOSTER CARE IF WE COULD. 
          AND THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A PREVENTION UNIT. 
          SO FOUR CASE A WILL BE WORKING WITH US FOR A TOTAL COST OF 12 MONTHS OF SERVICES IS $72,000. 
          IF I WERE TO HIRE FOUR CASE AIDES TO WORK IN THE OFFICE TO DO THAT, THAT WOULD BE AT A COST OF $222,000. 
          SO RIGHT AWAY YOU HAVE, IT'S A BETTER DEAL TO DO THAT. 
          WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH NORTHWOODS FOR THE PAST FOUR MONTHS. 
          WHAT WE DID IS WE CUT A DEAL WITH THEM. 
          WE SAID, HEY, YOU WANT TO COME INTO VIRGINIA? WE WANT TO KNOW IF YOUR SERVICE WORKS. 
          UH, SO WE AGREED TO SPONSOR THEM COMING INTO VIRGINIA, WORKING WITH VDSS. 
          'CAUSE YOU HAD TO GET THROUGH ALL THE IT SECURITY. 
          UM, AND IN EXCHANGE FOR THAT, THEY GAVE US THREE MONTHS OF FREE SERVICE TO SEE IF WE LIKED IT. 
          UH, NOT ONLY THAT THEY'RE WAIVING ANY, UM, ONBOARDING FEE. 
          'CAUSE EVERY TIME A NEW WORKER COMES ON, THERE WOULD BE A REGISTRATION FEE AND YOU WOULD HAVE TO PAY TO GET THEM UP TO SPEED AND TRAINED. 
          THEY'RE WAIVING THAT FOR US, ONLY FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          THEY ARE STARTING TO WORK WITH SOME OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          WE WERE FIRST, AND 'CAUSE WE WERE FIRST, WE GOT A SPECIAL DEAL FROM THEM. 
          UH, THEY PROJECT JUST FOR USING THEIR SERVICES AND SIGNING UP FOR THEIR SERVICES. 
          IF YOU BASED A NUMBER OF TICKETS AND EVERY REQUEST YOU SEND IN IS A TICKET. 
          SO IF I SAY I NEED MEDICAL RECORDS FOR THIS CHILD, THAT'S A TICKET THAT THEY'RE THEN GONNA FILL FOR US. 
          UM, THEY'RE PROJECTING, UM, WITH MAN HOURS AND TAKES, UH, TO FILL THESE TICKETS. 
          UH, $52,000 OF DIRECT SAVINGS, 
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ANOTHER 20 OF INDIRECT SAVINGS BETWEEN HR ADMIN TRAINING, UH, LOSS PRODUCTIVITY, TRYING. 
          SO THEY'RE EVEN PROJECTING, HEY, UM, FOR THAT $72,000, THEY'RE SAYING YOU'RE GONNA GET $78,000 WORTH OF YOUR TIME BACK FOR THAT. 
          AND THAT'S JUST WITHOUT HAVING, IF I HAD TO HIRE FOUR PEOPLE TO DO THE WORK THAT THEY'RE GONNA DO. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE DSS PORTION OF OUR, UH, BUDGET? BECAUSE THEN WE'RE GONNA GO INTO CSA, NO QUESTIONS IN MY MIND THAT YOU CAN ANSWER BECAUSE ALL OF THIS IS TRICKLE DOWN AND YOU JUST HAVE TO MM-HMM. 
          TO DO WHAT YOU'RE MANDATED TO DO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WANTS TO PUT SO MANY RESTRICTIONS TO, UM, BOUNCE MONEY BACK INTO THEIR BUDGET INSTEAD OF DOING THE RIGHT THING. 
          IT'S ALWAYS GOTTA COME FROM SOMEWHERE. 
          YES. 
          YES, IT DOES. 
          SO ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, UM, WE DECIDED TO ROLL CSA OVER TO DSS. 
          UH, JANELLE IS HERE. 
          SHE'S OUR CSA COORDINATOR. 
          UH, SHE HAS WORKED DILIGENTLY FOR THE PAST 18 MONTHS TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WE WERE WITH IT. 
          UM, ALYSSA CAN REMEMBER, UH, WHEN WE FIRST GOT THE PROGRAM, THEY DELIVERED KINDLY DELIVERED 32 BOXES OF PAPER TO OUR DOORSTEP THAT WAS UNORGANIZED, UNFILED, UM, PAPERS THAT WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WE HAD. 
          AND IT TOOK THIS LOAN TO GO THROUGH IT. 
          UH, JANELLE HAS BEEN THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND IT, AND WE'VE FINALLY BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE LACKING. 
          SHE GOT US THROUGH THE AUDIT 32 FINDINGS AGAINST WARREN COUNTY IN THAT AUDIT. 
          UM, AND SHE HAS SOLVED 21 OF 'EM SO FAR. 
          UM, ONLY 11 MORE TO GO. 
          AND ALL OF OUR PAPERWORK IS ON TRACK. 
          DR. 
          PAN, WHO WORKS WITH UH, CPMT, IS STARTING TO GIVE GOOD REPORTS ABOUT PAPERWORK NOW, UH, WHICH WE NEVER HEARD FOR THE LONGEST TIME. 
          AND WE LOVE TO HEAR THOSE GOOD REPORTS. 
          SO WE ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          HOWEVER, ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE DISCOVERED WAS WE WERE UNDERFUNDING OUR CSA. 
          AND, UM, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS HERE, OUR PERSONNEL, UM, NUMBERS, OUR OPERATIONS, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A LITTLE BIT MORE IN OPERATIONS BECAUSE OF THE ATTORNEY FEES, UH, FOR THE DIFFERENT PAPERWORK THAT HAS TO GO BACK AND FORTH TO THE COURT. 
          UM, BUT THE MANDATED PROGRAMS IS WHERE, UH, THE BIG JUMP IS GONNA BE. 
          UM, LAST YEAR WE CAME TO YOU WITH A FLAT BUDGET FOR CSA BECAUSE WE ARE STILL FIGURING IT OUT. 
          AND SO THE $2.9 MILLION WAS FROM TWO FISCAL YEARS AGO. 
          WE KEPT IT GOING FOR THE NEXT FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE WE STILL WERE TRYING TO WORK OUR WAY THROUGH IT. 
          WELL, WE FINALLY, UH, ALYSSA AND JANELLE AND ASHLAND HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IT, AND WE DISCOVERED THAT WE NEED 4.3 MILLION TO FULLY COVER THE CSA PROGRAMS. UM, AND I'M GONNA LET JANELLE TELL YOU WHY, BECAUSE SHE'S SMARTER THAN I AM. 
          UH, SO OUR, OH, SORRY. 
          UM, MOST OF IT WE DON'T REALLY HAVE CHOICE. 
          IT'S MANDATED FUNDING. 
          THE STATE SAYS WE HAVE TO FUND IT, SO WE HAVE TO FUND IT. 
          IN PREVIOUS YEARS, WE'VE DONE SUPPLEMENTAL REQUESTS AND YOU GUYS HAVE HAD TO REVIEW THEM AT THE END OF THE YEAR AND APPROVE THEM WHERE WE'VE ASKED FOR ADDITIONAL MONEY. 
          SO EVEN THOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE A VERY BIG INCREASE, IT'S NOT REALLY, IT'S ALMOST EXACTLY THE SAME AS LAST YEAR. 
          UM, LAST YEAR I THINK WE WERE A LITTLE OVER 4.1 THAT WE ENDED UP REQUESTING MOVING THINGS AROUND AND SOME SUPPLEMENTS FOR, UM, LIKE I SAID, MOST OF IT IS MANDATED. 
          THE STATE AND THE COUNTY SHARE THE COST OF THESE ITEMS. WE PUT THE MONEY UP UPFRONT AND THEN GET REIMBURSED BY THE STATE. 
          AND THE FACT, UM, OTHER, I DON'T KNOW,  REALLY, IT'S, WE DON'T REALLY GET A CHOICE. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF KIDS THAT ARE GOING INTO RESIDENTIAL CARE, UNFORTUNATELY. 
          UM, ONE OF THEM IS CURRENTLY OUT OF STATE BECAUSE THERE WERE NO LOCAL PLACEMENTS. 
          AND THAT IS FULLY FUNDED THROUGH CSA. 
          UM, I THINK OUR AVERAGE COST PER CHILD RIGHT NOW IS $23,000 A MONTH. 
          UH, WE HAVE I THINK 107 CHILDREN WE'RE SEEING HAVE BEEN SEEN THUS FAR THIS YEAR. 
          UH, 86 OF THEM ARE CURRENTLY RECEIVING SERVICES. 
          AND THIS INCLUDES FOSTER CARE KIDS, KIDS FROM OUR SCHOOLS WITH IEPS THAT ARE IN DAY PLACEMENTS, CHILDREN THAT ARE AT THE COURTS FOR TRUANCY OR DELINQUENCY AND ARE NOW RECEIVING OUTPATIENT SERVICES OR OTHER SERVICES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, OUR PREVENTION TEAM, WHICH IS NOW TRYING TO LOWER THE NUMBER OF KIDS THAT ARE COMING INTO CARE BY DOING PREVENTATIVE SERVICES. 
          UM, SO ALL OF THE KIDS IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT NEED SOME SORT OF FUNDING COME THROUGH THE CSA PROGRAM. 
          UM, I WOULD SAY 99% OF THE TIME IT IS MANDATED, WE'RE REQUIRED 
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BY THE STATE TO FUND IT THAT 1% OF THE TIME. 
          WE HAVE A VERY SMALL BUDGET FOR, WHICH IS INCLUDED IN THIS, IN THESE NUMBERS. 
          UM, BUT WE NEVER ACTUALLY EXCEED THAT AMOUNT. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE A LOT. 
          IT'S NOT REALLY A LOT MORE TO THE COUNTY. 
          I THINK IT'S ACTUALLY LESS THAN WE BUDGETED LAST YEAR FOR THE COUNTY. 
          I THINK LAST YEAR OUR LOCAL, WE BUDGETED 1.75 MILLION. 
          UM, THIS YEAR. 
          THE LOCAL PORTION WE'RE BUDGETING I THINK IS A LITTLE BIT OVER 1.6. 
          THE REMAINDER OF THAT IS ALL STATE FUNDED. 
          I I DO REMEMBER LAST YEAR YOU COMING BACK AND REQUESTING A SUPPLEMENT BASED ON AN ADDITIONAL UNFUNDED MANDATE. 
          AND I THINK YOU NEEDED ANOTHER MILLION. 
          AND IF I RECALL, WE WERE ABLE TO COMMIT 500 IMMEDIATELY AND THERE WAS ANOTHER 500 THAT WAS SORT OF IN A WAIT AND SEE STATE. 
          UM, BUT I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE END RESOLUTION WAS ON THAT. 
          BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IF YOU ADDED THAT MILLION TO THE 2.9, IT GETS CLOSE TO THE 4.3 WHERE YOU'RE, WHERE YOU'RE AT NOW. 
          UH UH, UNFORTUNATELY, UH, WE JUST DISCOVERED LAST WEEK THAT THERE IS ANOTHER UNFUNDED MANDATE THAT MAY BE HITTING OUR WAY THIS TIME WITH THE CSA PROGRAM. 
          UH, I JUST WANTED TO RESPOND TO THAT. 
          THAT WAS FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          AND WE DID NEED TO INCREASE THE TOTAL CSA BUDGET BY THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE LOCAL PORTION ONLY DID NOT INCREASE AS WELL FOR 26 AS WELL. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE DID INCREASE THE STATE'S PORTION. 
          SO WE DID NOT EXCEED THE LOCAL OKAY. 
          LOCAL BUDGET, JUST THAT WE HAD TO MAKE A SUPPLEMENT TO THE STATE'S BUDGET. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT THAT NUMBER REFLECTS THIS YEAR AS WELL. 
          IT'S AN INCREASE TO THE STATE SHARE, NOT THE LOCAL SHARE. 
          SO UNFORTUNATELY WITH CSA AND DSS, WARREN COUNTY ALWAYS HAS TO PUT THE MONEY UP FIRST, THEN YOU GET REIMBURSED ON THE BACKEND. 
          UM, THERE IS A POSSIBLE CHANGE TO REIMBURSEMENT RATES FOR COMMUNITY-BASED SERVICES. 
          UM, THESE ARE NOT OUR INPATIENT KIDS. 
          THESE ARE KIDS WHO ARE RECEIVING SERVICES TO TRY TO PREVENT A FOSTER CARE PLACEMENT OR PREVENT A SCHOOL PLACEMENT. 
          UH, THAT REIMBURSEMENT RATE HAS BEEN HOLDING STEADY AT 19 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR FRIDAY. 
          WE FIND OUT THAT HEY, IT MAY GO UP TO 30 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR, UM, THE COST TO LOCALES FOR THAT. 
          SO WE'RE PROJECTING THAT COULD BE UP TO 47,000 ADDITIONAL DOLLARS. 
          THAT WAS NOT IN OUR ORIGINAL BUDGET BUDGET PRESENTATION BECAUSE, UH, THAT WAS A SNEAKY LITTLE PRESENT IN THE PROPOSED BUDGET COMING OUTTA THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 
          UH, NOW DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S GONNA MAKE IT IN OR NOT. 
          IT MAY NOT, BUT IT MAY. 
          SO WE WANTED TO BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION AS WELL. 
          UM, SO BOTTOM LINE IT FOR YOU. 
          UM, OUR COMBINED BUDGET BETWEEN THE TWO PROGRAMS IS AT 13 MILLION. 
          UH, BUT YOU CAN EXPECT $3.4 MILLION OF FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR THAT. 
          UH, 3.7 OF STATE REIMBURSEMENT FOR A TOTAL WARRANT COST OF $5.8 MILLION FOR BOTH DSS AND CSA PROGRAMS. UM, SEPARATELY, THE DSS BUDGET BROKEN OUT IS 8.6. 
          THE CSA BUDGET'S 4.4. 
          ALL OF THE FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENTS COME FROM DSS PROGRAMS. CSA IS A STATE RUN PROGRAM. 
          AND SO, UH, THERE'S NO FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE CSA PROGRAMS. UM, AND THEN OF THE, UH, STATE REIMBURSEMENT NUMBER OF THAT 3.7 56% OF THAT REIMBURSEMENT IS GONNA COME FROM DSS PROGRAMS. 44% COMING FROM CSA PROGRAMS. AND ASHLEY CAN GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF INFORMATION ON HOW SHE BRINGS MONEY BACK INTO THE COUNTY, UH, FOR OUR PROGRAMS. UM, SO MONTHLY WE SUBMIT REPORTS TO THE FEDS AND THE STATE, AND EVERY MONTH WE RECEIVE AN ELECTRONIC TRANSFER TO THE COUNTY FOR THE FUNDS THAT THEY CAN GIVE BACK. 
          UM, PROBABLY AVERAGES ABOUT $400,000 A MONTH. 
          UM, THAT'S REALLY ALL HOW IT WORKS. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU SIMPLE VERSION. 
          YEAH, , SHE, SHE'S THE MATH WHIZ. 
          THE BRAIN'S THERE. 
          I JUST SIGN IT. 
          SO, UM, ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT, UH, ANY OF THIS OR ANYTHING ELSE? UM, YES, WE DO NEED MORE SPACE. 
          UH, YES, THERE'S SPACE AVAILABLE IN OUR BUILDING. 
          UM, IT DOES NEED TO BE REMODELED A LITTLE BIT, BUT THERE'S SOME EMPTY ROOMS JUST DOWN THE HALL THAT WE WOULD LOVE TO TURN IT INTO A JOB DEVELOPMENT CENTER AT REALLY NO COST TO THE COUNTY OTHER THAN PUTTING A CEILING IN, UH, FOR THAT. 
          AND I'D LOVE TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT SOMETIME. 
          WOULD YOU NEED EXTRA PEOPLE TO STAFF THAT OR WOULD YOU JUST KIND OF GO OVER THERE FOR THAT, FOR THOSE TYPES OF, OF CLIENT INTERACTIONS? 
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UH, OUR CURRENT STAFF, THE JOB DEVELOPER AND OUR COMMUNITY OUTREACH, MICHELLE, NICOLE, UM, THEY WOULD BE STAFFING THAT OR JOB DEVELOPERS WORKING WITH THAT POPULATION ANYWAY AND JUST GIVES THEM A BIGGER SPACE TO DO IT. 
          PLUS A SPACE FOR THE PUBLIC TO COME IN IF THEY WANTED TO WRITE THEIR RESUME AND HAVE A COMPUTER AND GET IT PRINTED OUT. 
          UM, JOB READINESS CLASSES, WE ALREADY HAVE THE STAFF IN PLACE FOR IT. 
          UH, WE WOULD JUST NEED THE SPACE TO DO IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? UM, I HAD TROUBLE HEARING, SO COULD YOU REPEAT THAT AGAIN STARTING AT THE BEGINNING? SURE, NO PROBLEM. 
          OH, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          , I, I WILL TALK FOR HOURS IF YOU LET ME. 
          SO, UH, AND I THINK, AND I KNOW YOU'RE AWARE OF SOME OF THE OTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES THAT WE WORK WITH OR WHATEVER, AND I THINK THEY, UH, HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE BURDEN ON DSS WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THEY DO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH IS A GOOD THING. 
          I KNOW YOU HAVE A PRE A PRETTY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH MANY OF THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, WHICH IS GOOD. 
          UM, AND I THOUGHT, AND I, AND, AND, WELL, LET'S SEE, MY UNDERSTANDING IS PEOPLE ON MEDICAID, WHETHER IT'S SNAP OR WHATEVER, IS ROUGHLY 18 TO 23% OF THE COUNTY OR IS IT HIGHER? UH, SO WE HAVE OVER 11,000 PEOPLE, UH, IN WARREN COUNTY GETTING MEDICAID ALONE. 
          THAT'S 5%. 
          SO YEAH, THAT'S ABOUT 25% OR SO. 
          ANOTHER 6,000 INDIVIDUALS RECEIVING SNAP EVERY MONTH AS WELL. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND EITHER, IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE BENEFITS ARE NOT FOR PEOPLE THAT AREN'T, AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. 
          RIGHT. 
          IT'S FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WORKING, TRYING TO TAKE CARE OF THEIR FAMILY STRUGGLING AND THIS HELPS THEM GET THROUGH SOME TOUGH TIMES. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UM, AND I WAS GONNA ASK YOU A QUESTION ABOUT THE BIG BEAUTIFUL BILL, BUT I THINK YOU ANSWERED  THOSE QUESTIONS VERY GOOD. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT WAS A CONCERN THAT THAT COULD IMPACT ROUGHLY 30 MILLION PEOPLE. 
          YEP. 
          COUNTRYWIDE. 
          UM, AND THE FROM, AGAIN, UH, I KEEP SAYING THAT BACK IN THE DAY WHEN I WAS ON IT BEFORE, I KNOW THAT YOUR BUDGET AND YOU, YOU, YOU EXPLAINED THAT VERY GOOD TOO, THAT THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MAY HAVE LOOKED AT IT AT THAT POINT AND SAY, WELL LET'S CUT $50,000. 
          BUT WE HAVE TO REMEMBER IS THAT $50,000 MAYBE GETS $200,000 IN STATE AND FEDERAL MATCH. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT ONLY CUTTING 50, YOU'RE CUTTING A WHOLE LOT. 
          THE OTHER THING WAS, I DIDN'T SEE IT ON HERE, BUT WHAT EXACTLY IS THE OVERALL REQUEST FOR AN INCREASE THAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR FROM THE COUNTY? I KNOW YOU HAVE A BUNCH OF NUMBERS UP THERE, BUT BOTTOM LINE, HOW MUCH ARE YOU ASKING OVER AND ABOVE THIS YEAR'S CURRENT BUDGET? RIGHT. 
          I THINK IT'S 36%, 30 THAT MUCH. 
          UM, IF YOU GET THE FOLDER BACK THERE, I HAVE THAT NUMBER. 
          UM, AND IT MAY BE HERE SOMEWHERE AND I'M JUST KINDA MISSING IT. 
          YEAH, I THINK IT, I THINK WE'VE GOT IT THAT I NEED IT FOR YOU. 
          WILL THIS, WILL THIS NUMBER REPRESENT THE WORST YOU, BECAUSE IT LOOKED LIKE SOME VARIABLES FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL THAT HAVE BEEN RESOLVED YET. 
          IS THAT 36% TAKEN IN KIND OF THE WORST CASE FOR THAT WORST CASE? YES. 
          SO I BELIEVE IF I HAVE THE RIGHT DOCUMENT HERE, LAST YEAR WE REQUESTED HELP ME OUT HERE. 
          BACK HERE, WE HAVE TOO MANY FORMS. YES. 
          SO THIS IS OUR 26 PROPOSED MM-HMM . 
          AND OUR 27 PROPOSED AT THE TOP, THE TOTAL. 
          SO DO YOU HAVE THE LOCAL SHARES SPREADSHEET? NO, I CAN GET YOU THAT INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, I, I DO WANNA POINT OUT ONE THING THOUGH THAT'S NOT, UM, ON ANYTHING. 
          WE DID PRESENT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT THE SERVICE PROGRAMS HAVE ON WARREN COUNTY FAR EXCEEDS THE COST TO WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO I CAN TELL YOU IN FISCAL YEAR 24 BETWEEN MEDICAID, SNAP AND ALL THE OTHER PROGRAMS, A HUNDRED MILLION FLOWED INTO WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, AND WARREN COUNTY SPENT ABOUT $4 MILLION TO GET THAT. 
          THE BULK OF IT IS MEDICAID AND MEDICAID THAT YOUR DOCTORS AND YOUR HOSPITALS AND YOUR PHARMACIES ARE USING THE SNAP. 
          UM, A LOT OF IT COMES IN, MILLIONS OF DOLLARS COME IN EVERY YEAR FOR SNAP TO OUR GROCERY STORES, MARTINS AND WALMART AND TARGET AND EVERYTHING. 
          WERE YOU USING YOUR SNAP? SO, UH, I BELIEVE LAST YEAR OUR, OUR ASK WAS ABOUT FIVE NINE, UH, IN THIS YEAR IT'S UM, SEVEN, SEVEN TO EIGHT. 
          SO I'LL GET YOU THOSE EXACT NUMBERS FOR TO TELL WHAT THE DIFFERENCE IS BETWEEN THE TWO AND I'LL GET 'EM TO YOU BEFORE THIS WEEKEND, . 
          AND ONE 
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OTHER THING REAL QUICK, I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT CSA AND, AND THOSE THINGS TOO. 
          AND, AND I KNOW, I THINK YOU MENTIONED IEPS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE AND WE'RE MEETING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD I THINK WEDNESDAY NIGHT, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE TILL RECENTLY THAT UH, I THINK IT'S FEDERALLY MANDATED. 
          THE SCHOOLS HAVE TO, UH, HAVE TO REQUIRE THE CHILD BE, BE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL OR BE IN SCHOOL TILL LIKE AGE 22 OR 23. 
          AND THEN IF YOU HAVE BEHAVIORAL PROBLEMS AND THEY CANNOT HANDLE THEM, THEY HAVE TO PUT 'EM IN ANOTHER FACILITY SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          IS THAT MONEY IN THEIR BUDGET? YOUR BUDGET COMBINATION. 
          CSA BUDGET. 
          PARDON ME, THE CS A BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          SO THEY ACCESS IT THROUGH CSA. 
          ALRIGHT, JUST WONDERING. 
          TRYING TO LEARN THAT. 
          AND THERE'S THE UNKNOWN VARIABLE TO TRYING TO FIGURE OUT A BUDGET WHEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A CHILD THAT EITHER MOVES INTO THE COUNTY OR HAS AN ISSUE THAT NOW COMES UNDER CSA. 
          WE HAVE ONE CHILD THAT I THINK IT'S $62,000 AND FOR, THAT'S NOT EVEN A YEAR. 
          HOW MANY? IT'S WHAT, THREE OR FOUR MONTHS? THREE MONTHS. 
          THREE MONTHS. 
          'CAUSE RESIDENTIALLY PLACED CHILDREN COME BACK TO REVIEW EVERY THREE MONTHS. 
          YEAH, WE ONLY BUDGET THEM THREE MONTHS AT A TIME. 
          AND I THINK EVEN THOUGH WE JUST HAD THREE KIDS GO BACK HOME TO THEIR, OR THREE KIDS GO BACK HOME TO THEIR PARENTS, BUT THEN GOT FIVE KIDS IN ONE WEEK FROM THE COURTS. 
          YEAH. 
          SO WE LIKE TO SAY THAT THINGS ARE GOING WELL. 
          WE ARE, SOME OF OUR KIDS ARE PROGRESSING. 
          AND THEN SOME OF OUR KIDS, LIKE I SAID, WHEN YOU'RE FULLY FUNDING A RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENT AND THAT'S BETWEEN NINE AND 18 MONTHS IN ANOTHER STATE, IT'S HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS JUST FOR THAT ONE POLICY. 
          IT IS, UM, AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, WE HAVE TO HELP PAY FOR THE PARENTS FOR VISITATION ON THAT, FOR TRAVEL AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS WITH THIS CASE THAT IS INCLUDED IN THE PRICE OF THEIR, OF THEIR RESIDENTIAL STAY. 
          UM, BUT WE HAD TO PAY FOR THE FLIGHTS FOR THE PARENT AND THE CHILD TO GO DOWN TO BE PLACED. 
          WE HAD TO PAY FOR TRANSPORTATION FOR THAT PARENT GAS FOR THAT PARENT TRAVEL FEES LIKE BAGGAGE AND ALL OF THAT KIND OF STUFF. 
          UM, UNFORTUNATELY THE CHILD GOT COVID RIGHT BEFORE THEY WERE SUPPOSED TO GO. 
          SO THEN WE HAD TO PAY TO CHANGE PLANE TICKETS, UM, FINALLY GET THE CHILD DOWN THERE, GET THE CHILD INTO PLACEMENT, FLYING THE PARENT BACK HOME, ALL OF THIS DONE IN ONE DAY SO THAT THE PARENT DOESN'T MISS ANY WORK BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD IT. 
          AND THAT'S WHY THEY ARE GETTING THE FUNDING THAT THEY'RE FUNDING THAT THEY'RE GETTING. 
          AND SO IT ADDS UP VERY QUICKLY FOR SOME KIDS. 
          SOME, BUT LIKE JOHN SAID, OUR PREVENTION TEAM IS DOING GREAT. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET CHILDREN SERVICES BEFORE THEY GET TO THIS POINT. 
          AND ONE THING I WOULD ADD ABOUT THE PRIVATE DAY PLACEMENTS TOO, THOSE DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE IEP TEAM AT THE SCHOOL. 
          AND SO THE COUNTY HAS ZERO SAY IF THEY COME BACK AND SAY THIS IS THE LEVEL OF CARE YOU NEED, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PLACEMENT WHERE WE CAN'T SAY NO TO THE PLACEMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND, AND I WILL SAY IT IS, IT'S, SO WHEN IT IS A PRIVATE DAY PLACEMENT OR A RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENT THAT IS RESPONDED THROUGH CSA, IF A CHILD IS BE STAYING IN THE SCHOOL THAT'S FUNDED THROUGH THE SCHOOL. 
          SO I KNOW WE HAVE SOME KIDS WHO ARE 18, 19, 20 YEARS OLD, BUT THEY RECEIVE SERVICES IN SCHOOL. 
          THAT'S THE SCHOOL BUDGET. 
          OKAY. 
          CSA FUNDS YOUR DAY PLACEMENTS AND YOUR RESIDENTIAL PLACEMENTS FOR THE SCHOOL. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THE THANK YOU, THOSE CHILDREN THAT CAN GO UP AND I FORGET IF IT'S 22, 23, THOSE ARE, UM, GENERALLY YOUR MULTIPLE HANDICAPPED CHILDREN THAT COME UNDER THAT DISABILITY ACT. 
          UM, AND I KNOW AT ONE POINT, UH, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAD TO BUY AN AIR CONDITIONED HANDICAPPED BUS BECAUSE OF ONE CHILD'S, UM, BRAIN DAMAGE DUE TO BIRTH DEFECTS. 
          SO HE HAD TO BE IN A TEMPERATURE CONTROLLED AND HE COULDN'T RIDE THE, UM, AN UN AIR CONDITIONED SCHOOL BUS. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S A LOT MORE, UM, UNFORESEEN THINGS THAT COME UP THAT ARE BUDGET BUSTERS THAT YOU, YOU CAN'T PLAN FOR, RIGHT. 
          'CAUSE YOU JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT'S COMING. 
          BUT UM, I THINK OVERALL YOU GUYS ARE DOING A WONDERFUL JOB. 
          I KNOW I'VE BEEN ON CP MTMS FOR SIX YEARS OR SO NOW. 
          UH, I'M STILL LEARNING AND APPRECIATE EVERYONE TEACHING ME ALONG THE WAY. 
          UM, I KNEW A LITTLE BIT OF ABOUT THE SCHOOL SIDE FROM WORKING AT SCHOOL, BUT THIS IS, THIS ONE'S A BIG ONE THAT YOU HAVE NO CHOICE. 
          YOU HAVE TO FUND IT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND TRYING DO THAT. 
          AND IF I COULD CIRCLE BACK TO SOMETHING MR. CARTER SAID A LITTLE BIT EARLIER ABOUT OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS THAT WE'RE WORKING WITH. 
          UM, GIVE MICHELLE AND NICOLE A SHOUT OUT. 
          I KNOW THEY'RE WATCHING Y'ALL NEED TO GET BACK TO WORK. 
          STOP WATCHING . 
          BUT, UM, THEY ARE 
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WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO TRY TO BRING THEM TOGETHER TO IDENTIFY WHERE THE SERVICES ARE OVERLAPPING AND WHERE THE GAPS ARE IN THOSE SERVICES TO TRY TO DETERMINE CAN WE BRING IN ORGANIZATIONS TO COVER THOSE GAPS, TO REDUCE THE NEED FOR DSS TO STEP IN TO HAVE OTHER AGENCIES. 
          INSTEAD OF HAVING 10 AGENCIES THAT DO THE SAME THING, LET'S GET SOME AGENCIES THAT ARE DOING, PROVIDING A SERVICE THAT ISN'T BEING PROVIDED RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, AND THEY'RE WORKING DILIGENTLY TO, UM, MEET WITH OUR COMMUNITY PARTNERS TO DO THAT ASSESSMENT. 
          AND I ALSO WANNA GIVE OUT A SHOUT. 
          I KNOW I WISH WE COULD PAY MORE 'CAUSE VERY DESERVING OF, OF HIGHER SALARY. 
          BUT I WANNA GIVE CREDIT TO YOU, SIR, BECAUSE WHEN I FIRST CAME ON, DSS WAS NOT AS FUN AS YOU'VE MADE IT. 
          LET'S JUST PUT IT THAT WAY. 
          AND, BUT LARGE TURNOVER, UM, A LOT OF, I WOULD SAY DISSATISFACTION IN THE WORKPLACE AND NOT DUE TO NECESSARILY THE WORKLOAD. 
          UM, BUT YOU'VE TURNED THAT AROUND. 
          I'VE GONE TO EVENTS THERE. 
          YOU, YOU MAKE THAT A FUN PLACE THAT IS SUCH A STRESSFUL JOB TO BEGIN WITH. 
          AND YOU'VE MADE IT A FUN PLACE. 
          AND I THINK THE TURNOVER HAS BEEN DOWN IN BIG PART TO YOU BECAUSE IT'S NOT BECAUSE WE HAVE REALLY PADDED THAT SALARY TO KEEP PEOPLE. 
          SO I JUST WANNA GIVE KUDOS TO YOU FOR THAT AND THANK YOU AND ALL YOUR STAFF FOR WHAT YOU DO. 
          UM, BUT FOR BRINGING, BRINGING THAT FUND INTO THE WORKPLACE TO DE-STRESS EVERYONE AND TO MAKE IT SOMEPLACE THEY WANNA STAY. 
          AND ALL OF YOU TAKE CREDIT FOR, FOR DOING THAT. 
          BUT YOU WERE THE LEADER THAT STARTED IT. 
          I, I, I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. 
          AND WE HAVE SUCH AMAZING STAFF. 
          IT'S JUST A, AN HONOR PRIVILEGE TO BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THEM EVERY DAY AND WORK WITH YOU ALL, UH, FOR THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          I APPRECIATE THE KIND WORDS, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT DO THE WORK. 
          I JUST GET THE CREDIT. 
          SO, BUT THEY WOULDN'T COME IF IT WASN'T, YOU KNOW, IT'S, YOU'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE. 
          AND, AND IT TAKES A, IT TAKES A VILLAGE. 
          IT TAKES A VILLAGE. 
          AND, UM, I GOT MY INVITATION TO THE ST. 
          PATRICK'S DAY THING. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT PIE DAY CELEBRATION EVERY YEAR. 
          SO, ALL RIGHT. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND THAT'S THE END OF OUR PRESENTATIONS. 
          SO DR. MARTIN, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? ANY MONEY? NO, NO MONEY. 
          I, I, THAT'S A FAR GONE CONCLUSION, . 
          BUT IF HE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD, I GUESS WE ARE ADJOURNED TILL ONE O'CLOCK TOMORROW AFTERNOON. 
          WEATHER PERMITTING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WE DON'T HAVE WINDOWS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S DOING OUTSIDE. 
          IT'LL BE FINE. 
          IT'S RAINING TOMORROW. 
          BUT EVERYBODY HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. 
          SEE YOU TOMORROW.
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