* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] ALL RIGHT. GOOD AFTERNOON [B. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America] EVERYONE, AND THANK YOU FOR COMING TO THE MARCH 3RD, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. AND I WOULD LIKE TO START OFF WITH, UH, PASTOR BUTCH HAMMOND WITH A PRAYER. SIR, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. IF Y'ALL WOULD BOW YOUR HEADS WITH ME, FATHER, IN THE NAME OF JESUS AS WE COME TODAY. LORD, WE THANK YOU. WE THANK YOU FOR GRACE AND MERCY AND LORD, AS WE, UH, CONDUCT BUSINESS HERE TODAY FOR OUR COUNTY, UH, THAT AFFECTS EACH AND EVERY SOUL THAT LIVES HERE, WE ASK THAT WE WOULD CONDUCT IT WITH WISDOM. WE ASK THAT WE WOULD FILTER EVERYTHING THROUGH YOUR GRACE AND THROUGH YOUR TRUTH, AND THAT WE WOULD FOLLOW YOUR WORD THAT SAYS, WHATEVER IS DONE DUE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. AND SO WE COME TODAY THANKING YOU FOR THAT, RECEIVING THAT, AND IT'S IN YOUR PRECIOUS NAME, WE PRAY. AMEN. THANK YOU, SIR. AND IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE. THE LACK OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY, JUSTICE, ALL CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER [C. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions] AND THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? HEARING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STANIER? AYE. [D. Presentation - Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT)] ALL RIGHT. VO MR. CARTER, GOOD TO SEE YOU. AND MR. SMITH, THANK YOU FOR COMING. GOOD AFTERNOON. HAVE CHAIRMAN, BOARD MEMBERS, I'M GLAD TO SAY YESTERDAY'S EVENT WAS SMILING, UH, V O'S REPORT FOR THIS MONTH AND NEXT MONTH. UH, WE'RE STILL CLEANING UP SOME DEBRIS REMOVAL FROM THE LARGE SNOW STORM WE HAD BACK IN JANUARY. UH, THAT WAS UNIQUE IN IT. IT WASN'T THE BIGGEST SNOW STORM WE'VE HAD, BUT IT WAS ONE OF THE NASTIEST THAT WE'VE HAD. UH, SO WE'RE DOING SOME TREE TRIMMING AND BRUSH CUTTING ON, UH, ROUTE SIX 11 LONG MEADOW ROAD, 6 24 MORGAN FORD ROAD, 6 0 4 HARMONY HOLLOW ROAD. AND WE'RE DOING THIS COMBINED WITH OUR FORCES AND WITH CONTRACT FORCES. UH, WE PLAN TO CONTINUE THIS FUNCTION ON 55 EAST JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY, ALONG 6 38 FRIESLAND ROAD, 6 58 ROCKLAND ROAD AND 6 61 FAIRGROUND ROAD. WE'LL BE DOING THAT THIS MONTH. WEATHER PERMITTING. UH, WE'VE DONE SOME POTHOLE REPAIRS ON A LOT OF ROUTES. UH, SOME OF THE BIGGER ONES. THREE 40 ON STONEWALL JACKSON, HIGHWAY 6 24 MORGAN FORD, AND 6 27 RELIANCE ROAD. AND WE HAVE SOME SHOULDER REPAIRS TO DO ON THREE 40. AND THERE'S SOME OTHER ROUTES THAT WE IDENTIFIED DOING SNOW CLEANUP THAT IS, UH, THAT WE HAVE SOME SHOULDER WORK TO DO ON TOO, THAT WE WERE TRYING TO GET THAT DONE THIS MONTH. BOARD ISSUES, UM, THE EXTENSION OF SOUTHBOUND RAMP, UH, THREE, FOUR, AND 5 22 ONTO THE WESTBOUND I 66, THAT IS NOW ON THE CONSTRUCTION. THIS WAS ONE OF THREE SMART SCALE PROJECTS THAT THE COUNTY APPLIED FOR IN 2020, AND IT JUST GOT ADVERTISED IN 2025. THE OTHER TWO, ONE WAS LIGHTING FOR THREE 40, UH, GOING TOWARDS WINCHESTER, AND THE OTHER WAS SAFETY. UH, UH, OLD TIMERS. MY MIND WENT BLANK. , WHICH FOR SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ALONG 55 EAST. OKAY. BETWEEN, UH, THE LINDEN AND FRONT ROYAL TOWN LIMITS, WHICH WILL INCLUDE PLACING YOUR CENTER LINE MARKERS, UH, UH, RUMBLE STRIPS, ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, REDOING SOME GUARDRAIL, A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS ON THAT. ALL THOSE GOT ADVERTISED LAST YEAR, AND THEY'RE ALL SCHEDULED TO START THIS YEAR. WE'VE RECEIVED THE FINAL ENVIRONMENTAL DOCUMENTS THAT WE NEEDED TO GO BACK TO WORK ON ROCKY HOLLOW ROAD. SOON AS WEATHER ALLOWS, WE'LL BE BACK IN THERE WORKING ON THAT PROJECT. AND THEN WE, THE DESIGN HAS STARTED ON THE SMART SCALE PROJECT FOR [00:05:01] ROAD THAT'S SCHEDULED TO GO INTO CONSTRUCTION IN 2028, UH, WHERE, UH, SUPERVISOR CARTER, MYSELF AND OUR, UH, PROJECT MANAGER, MET WITH SOME OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS OUT THERE. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO GET A DRILL IN THERE TO DO SOME SOIL TESTING, UH, TO BE SURE THAT WE HAVE THE PROPER SLOPES AND THINGS, AND IT DOESN'T END UP BACK OUT IN THE ROAD. SO. OKAY. AND THEN, UH, WE'D LIKE TO MEET WITH THE BOARD SOMETIME THIS MONTH AT THE LATEST, THE FIRST PART OF APRIL, TO TALK ABOUT THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN. IT SHOULDN'T BE A LONG SESSION. WE JUST WANT TO GO OVER HOW IT'S LAID OUT NOW AND, UH, AND THE FUNDS THAT, THAT UNDER THIS CURRENT BUDGET THAT YOU HAVE. ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THE BOARD WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO ADDRESS? THE, UM, THE PROJECT FOR THREE 40 FROM SIX 19 TO ROCKY LANE? I, I THINK THAT WAS SMART SCALE MONEY. YES. UHHUH, . AND I THINK THAT'S SUPPOSED TO START EITHER 20, I THOUGHT 27 WRONG. THAT IS SCHEDULED FOR, UH, THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE ADVERTISED LATER THIS YEAR, AWARDED AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO SHOULD SEE CONSTRUCTION STARTING IN THAT NEXT YEAR. OKAY. I THOUGHT SO. UM, ON THE SOUTHBOUND LANE BEFORE YOU GET TO THE STATE PARK, THERE'S UM, IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE IT, UH, SOMETHING HEAVY LIKE, UM, A BACK HOVE RIGOR WAS PUT DOWN AND THERE'S A SPOT IN THE NEW PAVEMENT THAT IS, UM, IT'S NOT WHERE THE SHOULDER JUST BROKE OFF. IT, IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING HEAVY WAS PUT DOWN AND IT SEEMS TO BE GROWING. UM, SO I DID WANT TO JUST SAY SOMETHING THAT JUST WAS A POTHOLE THAT WAS REPAIRED, OR, WELL, I GUESS IT'S GONNA BE A POTHOLE, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE SOMETHING CRUSHED IT. OKAY. IT'S, IT'S ALMOST THAT, LIKE IF YOU THREE 40 SOUTHBOUND SIDE OR NORTHBOUND SIDE SOUTHBOUND, UM, BUT IT, AND IT'S RIGHT ON THE, UH, WHITE LINE MM-HMM . SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN I LOOKED FIRST NOTICED IT, I WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, THAT HAD PUT THE, UM, THE RIGOR OUT LIKE YOU DO ON BACK HOSE TO STABILIZE 'EM. MM-HMM . HAD BEEN PUT DOWN, UM, TO GIVE YOU THE BEST DESCRIPTION I CAN, BUT, UM, AND THEN THE, UM, THE LANE THAT YOU'RE MAKING OUT THERE, IT, THAT ONE JUST SURPRISED ME BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK IT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS PART OF THE CONVERSATION OF ALL THAT SMART SCALE, THE BOW TIE AND ALL THAT THAT WE HEARD ABOUT, WELL, A YEAR AGO. UM, AND IT, YOU KNOW, I WAS LIKE, WOW, WHAT ARE THEY DOING? I DIDN'T THINK ANY OF THAT PASSED THROUGH. BUT SAYING THAT FROM 2020, THE LANE, UH, EXTENSION FOR THE LEFT TURN ONTO RELIANCE ROAD WHEN, BECAUSE I THINK THAT QUALIFIED FOR SOME FUNDING. IS THERE AN IDEA WHEN THAT YEAH. THAT, THAT'S IN, THAT WASN'T A SMART SCALE WOULD'VE? NO, UH, NO, BUT THAT'S ON, THAT'S A GO. I THOUGHT IT WAS, THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT IT WAS PROBABLY ABOUT THE SAME TIME. SO WONDERING WHEN THAT WAS GONNA BE DONE. THAT WASN'T A SMART SCALE. THAT WAS LATER THIS HUH? LATER THIS YEAR. THAT'S OKAY. YES. LATER THIS YEAR, ALONG WITH THE, UH, FAIRGROUND ROAD, TURNING LANE EXTENSIONS. OKAY. OKAY. THOSE ARE MY TWO QUESTIONS. ANYONE ELSE? JUST ONE LITTLE ONE ON 6 0 6, UH, SOUTHBOUND BY THE 66 OVERPASS. UM, THERE'S ON BOTH SIDES OF THAT BRIDGE, OVER 66, THERE'S GROWING POTHOLES AND, UH, THEY'RE RIGHT BY THE JOINT, THE JOINTS WHERE THE CONCRETE AND THE ASPHALT COME TOGETHER, WHICH I DON'T KNOW IF THAT COMPLICATES MATTERS, BUT WANTED TO RAISE THAT TO YOUR ATTENTION. OKAY. UM, JUST ONE THING I, I WROTE OUT TO, UM, ANDY GUESS PARK SATURDAY OR WHATEVER, AND I JUST NOTICED, I'M SORRY, TO WHICH PART ANDY GUESS SHE DOOR, YOU KNOW, ON THREE 40? YES. UHHUH . YEAH. AND I JUST NOTICED, AND IT'S BEEN LIKE THAT BEFORE, BUT ANYWAY, I JUST NOTICED THERE WAS A FAIR AMOUNT. I THINK MS. CALLERS HAS BROUGHT THAT UP BEFORE TOO. A FAIR AMOUNT OF TRASH ON THE ROAD. SAME THING, MAYBE ON 55, PARTICULARLY WHEN THEY'RE COMING FROM THE TRANS, UH, THE CONVENIENCE SITE TO THE, ANYWAY, AND I KNOW WAY BACK IN THE DAY, WE USED TO HAVE, I GUESS WHEN WE JUST BEFORE RSW, WE HAD THE INMATES WOULD PICK UP TRASH. AND DOES VDOT DO ANYTHING OR IS THAT MAINLY [00:10:01] YES, WE STILL WORK WITH THE REGIONAL JAIL. OKAY. UH, WHEN, WHEN WE CAN SCHEDULE IT TO, AND THEY'VE HELPED US OUT A LOT IN PICKING UP A LOT OF DRAG. OKAY. 'CAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, SPRING IT BECOMES MORE EVIDENT. AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, AS THE FALL GOES, IT ALL GETS COVERED UP BY THE GRASS, SO YOU DON'T SEE IT AS MUCH, BUT YEAH, IT IS A, A PROBLEM. AND I THINK A LOT OF IT PROBABLY COMES FROM THE, THE TRUCKS OR WHATEVER, PLUS OTHER PEOPLE. BUT ANYWAY, I'M JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU, . YEAH, I, I'VE ALREADY REACHED OUT TO, UM, RSW TO GET, GET THAT ON THE LIST. UM, ANYONE ELSE? YEAH. ALL RIGHT. I KEEP GETTING CALLS OR EMAILS ABOUT THE STRIPING ON RELIANCE ROAD. AND LAST TIME I ASKED YOU ABOUT THAT, AND YOU SAID IT WAS ON THE SCHEDULE, JUST, IS THERE ACTUALLY LIKE A MONTH OF YEAR THAT IT'S, IT'S ON, AS SOON AS WE CAN GET DECENT WEATHER, IT'LL BE PUT BACK. SO AS SOON AS THE WEATHER IS, YES, SIR. OH, OKAY. YES. IT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN TEMPERATURE AND THE, AND THE PAVEMENT HAS TO MAINTAIN THAT TEMPERATURE FOR A LITTLE BIT. WHAT DO YOU, I MEAN, JUST BASED ON EXPERIENCE, YOU THINK THAT MIGHT BE, UH, APRIL OR MAY OR, WELL, IT, IT, YOU KNOW, IT COULD HAPPEN EARLIER IF IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF THIS MONTH, LIKE THIS COMING WEEK, WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE SOME 75 DEGREE DAYS, BUT IF IT ONLY LAST A COUPLE OF DAYS, THEN IT GETS COLD BACK AT NIGHT THAT THE PAVEMENT. TYPICALLY, AS SOON AS IT'S DONE, WE'LL BE THERE. OKAY. I'D LIKE TO, I'LL, I'LL REPORT THAT BACK THEN. THANK YOU. YES, , APPRECIATE IT. THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAVE IS ON THE, THE BRIDGE THAT GOES ACROSS, UM, GOONEY CREEK, I GUESS ON THREE 40, UHHUH, , THE NEW BRIDGE THAT THEY BUILT ON THE NORTHBOUND SIDE, WATER'S STILL PONDING THERE ON THE, UM, THE, THE DECK AS YOU'RE GOING TOWARDS, UH, BENTONVILLE, BUT IT'S THE NORTHBOUND LANE. IT, IT PAWNS SIGNIFICANTLY THERE. IT'S, IT'S, THEY'VE COME UP AND CLEANED IT SEVERAL TIMES, BUT IT JUST DOESN'T SEEM TO, UH, MITIGATE THE PROBLEM. I DON'T KNOW, UM, WHY IT PONDS THERE SO BAD, BUT IF THEY COULD, UM, BECAUSE THAT THEN IT WANTS TO GET ICY. OKAY. I THINK, I THINK THAT'S IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. HOPEFULLY THE WEATHER STAYS GOOD. AND I, UH, I HOPE THAT, UH, THIS WAS WINTER'S LAST, CASP , LET'S HOPE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, IT'S MARCH CAN BE A, A FUNNY MONTH. [E. Presentation - Virginia Extension Office] ALL RIGHT. NEXT, WE HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE VIRGINIA EXTENSION OFFICE. I UNDERSTAND WE HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF NEW STAFF, SO I'M GLAD YOU'RE ALL HERE. YES. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME'S ELIZABETH BALDWIN. UM, I AM AN ASSOCIATE AGRICULTURE NATURAL RESOURCES EXTENSION AGENT. UM, I SERVE THIS AREA THAT INCLUDES WARREN COUNTY, BUT I'M PRIMARILY BASED OUT OF THE PAGE COUNTY OFFICE. AND SO I'M, I'M HERE TODAY TO GIVE YOU ALL, UH, A BRIEF LITTLE UPDATE OF SOME THINGS THAT, THAT WE'VE BEEN DOING, UM, WITHIN AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES, AND THEN OF COURSE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW STAFF MEMBERS. UM, SO JUST TO HIT A FEW HIGHLIGHTS OVER THE LAST YEAR OF SOME OF THE WORK, UM, THAT MYSELF AND MY COLLEAGUES, UM, MARK SUTFIN AND BOBBY CLARK HAVE BEEN DOING IN THE AREA, UM, WE'VE, WE'VE REALLY WORKED ON INVASIVE SPECIES OVER THE LAST YEAR. UM, INVASIVE SPECIES, LIKE WHEN WE THINK ABOUT, UM, SPOTTED LANTERN FLY, UM, GYPSY MOTH, SPONGY MOTH RATHER, I'M SORRY, THAT'S THE NEW NAME FOR IT. UM, POST THREATS TO, TO OUR STATE, IT COSTS OUR STATE ABOUT A BILLION DOLLARS EVERY YEAR. UM, SO WE'VE PARTNERED WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE AND CONSUMER SERVICES, OUR MASTER GARDENERS, AND AS WELL AS LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, AND HAVE TRAINED ABOUT 1200 RESIDENTS, UM, IN IDENTIFYING THESE INVASIVE SPECIES, REPORTING THEM AND, AND MANAGEMENT TOOLS. AND SO THE IDEA IS HOPEFULLY THAT WE CAN HAVE EARLY DETECTION, INCREASED PUBLIC REPORTING, UM, AND REDUCING HOST PLANTS AND PROTECTING OUR HIGH VALUE CROPS IN THE AREA. UM, WE'VE ALSO DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH PESTICIDE SAFETY EDUCATION. SO, UM, AS YOU ALL MAY OR MAY NOT BE AWARE, FOLKS WHO, UM, WANT TO APPLY RESTRICTED USE PESTICIDES IN VIRGINIA HAVE TO BE CERTIFIED APPLICATORS. AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR OFFICES PROVIDE. WE CAN CERTIFY FOLKS AS WELL AS RE-CERTIFY THEM. AND SO WE'VE OFFERED, UM, CERTIFICATION AND RE-CERTIFICATION CLASSES IN, IN ALL FIVE OF THE COUNTIES THAT WE SERVE, INCLUDING WARREN COUNTY. AND LAST YEAR WE HAD ABOUT 123, UM, PRIVATE, UM, PESTICIDE APPLICATORS AND 189 COMMERCIAL APPLICATORS THAT WERE RE-CERTIFIED. AND SO OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS, UM, WE'VE HAD ABOUT 1500 INDIVIDUALS TRAINED, UM, IN PROPERLY APPLYING PESTICIDES. AND SO THIS IS IMPORTANT TO ENSURE, YOU KNOW, LEGAL RESPONSIBLE PESTICIDE USE, [00:15:01] ENSURE WORKFORCE READINESS, UM, AND, AND REALLY STRENGTHEN OUR REGION'S AGRICULTURE, RESILIENCE, AND ENVIRONMENTAL HEALTH. WE'VE ALSO WORKED TO ADDRESS BARRIERS IN ADOPTING MANAGED GRAZING PRACTICES. SO WE KNOW THAT, UM, FEEDING COSTS REPRESENT ABOUT HALF OF A FARM'S ANNUAL COST THAT HAS LIVESTOCK. SO WE'RE ALWAYS, UM, LOOKING FOR WAYS TO EXTEND GRAZING SEASON, UM, MINIMIZE DISTURBANCES AND, AND HELP PROFITABILITY. UM, BOBBY CLARK, OUR COLLEAGUE THAT WORKS, UM, OUT OF THE SHENANDOAH COUNTY OFFICE, HAS BEEN LEADING A MULTI-STATE, UM, SLUG FEEDING AND SOYBEAN RESEARCH STUDY. UM, SO THIS IS REALLY WONDERFUL THING THAT HE'S BEEN INVOLVED IN, RECEIVED A GRANT AND HAS BEEN WORKING, UM, WITH OUR SOYBEAN GROWERS IN THE AREA. WE'VE ALSO OFFERED, UM, BEEF QUALITY ASSURANCE TRAINING AND YOUTH FOR THE QUALITY CARE OF ANIMALS TRAINING. AND THESE ARE TWO, UM, PROGRAMS THAT CAN HELP, UH, FARMERS. THEY, THEY BECOME TRAINED IN, IN GOOD, UM, PRACTICES. AND SO THIS, UH, HELPS THEM MARKET THEIR, THEIR PRODUCTS BETTER AND HELPS THEM, YOU KNOW, FOLLOW, UM, RESEARCH BASED GUIDANCE. SO SOME OTHER THINGS THAT WE, WE ALWAYS OFFER, UM, IS FORAGE TESTING, SOIL TESTING, UH, WHEAT IDENTIFICATION, INSECT IDENTIFICATION. IF YOU'VE GOT A PLANT WITH THE DISEASE, WE CAN IDENTIFY IT AND OFFER, ALSO OFFER, UM, PESTICIDE RECOMMENDATIONS. SO WE'RE HERE, UM, TO SUPPORT YOU ALL IN, IN WHATEVER THAT YOU MAY NEED. UM, AS, AS I MENTIONED A FEW MOMENTS AGO, AND AS YOU MAY REMEMBER, UM, LAST YEAR IT WAS MYSELF, BOBBY, AND MARK WERE THE THREE AGENTS THAT SERVED, UM, ALL FIVE COUNTIES IN OUR AREA. SO THAT WAS A LOT, A LOT OF LAND TO COVER. BUT THANKS TO YOU ALL AND OUR OTHER COUNTIES, UM, WHO REALLY WORKED HARD, UM, SUPPORTED US AND, AND TO BE FRANK, YOU KNOW, HELD ADMINISTRATION'S FEET TO THE FIRE ON THIS ISSUE. UM, WE, WE WANT TO, TO THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND, AND SHARE SOME UPDATES. SO, UM, WE WERE ABLE TO GET BOTH THE CLARK AND WARREN POSITIONS REFILLED. UM, AND SO THOSE AGENTS ARE WITH ME, AND I'LL INTRODUCE THEM IN JUST A MOMENT. WE WERE ALSO ABLE TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL AGRICULTURE AGENT WHO WORKS OUT OF THE FREDERICK OFFICE, BUT SERVES THE AREA. AND THIS PERSON, UM, IS FOCUSED ON CONSUMER HORTICULTURE. AND THEN WE HAD TWO POSITIONS, UM, IN OUR AREA THAT WERE FUNDED ENTIRELY FROM LOCAL RESOURCES. UM, ONE OF THOSE WAS MY POSITION IN PAGE COUNTY. UM, THE OTHER WAS THE WARREN FOUR H AGENT, EMILY SCHULTZ. AND SO WE'RE VERY HAPPY, UM, TO NOW SAY THAT, THAT THOSE POSITIONS RECEIVE STATE LEVEL SUPPORT. UM, SO THE COUNTIES ARE NO LONGER HAVING TO, TO BEAR THE BRUNT OF THOSE POSITIONS. UM, SO WITH THAT, I'M VERY EXCITED TO, TO ANNOUNCE, UH, AND INTRODUCE OUR NEW STAFF MEMBERS. SO I'LL START WITH MISS CYNTHIA FAIRBANKS. UM, CYNTHIA'S OUR NEW ASSOCIATE AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES EXTENSION AGENT HERE IN THE WARREN COUNTY OFFICE. SO SHE WORKS RIGHT DOWN THE HALL. IF YOU EVER NEED SOMETHING, STOP IN, LET HER KNOW. UM, CYNTHIA BRINGS TO US EXPERIENCE AND A BACKGROUND IN ANIMAL SCIENCE, AGRICULTURE, ECONOMICS, AND A PASSION FOR AG EDUCATION. UM, SHE HAS HER BACHELOR'S DEGREE AND MASTER'S DEGREE FROM VIRGINIA TECH IN AGRICULTURE AND APPLIED ECONOMICS. SO WE'RE SUPER EXCITED THAT SHE'S HERE. SHE'S ALREADY BEEN OFF THE GROUND VISITING FARMS, UM, WORKING WITH PRODUCERS. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT SHE COULD ASSIST YOU WITH, UM, GIVE HER A CALL, STOP BY HER OFFICE. WE'VE ALSO GOT, UM, CANDACE ALONG WITH US TODAY. AND, UH, CANDACE IS OUR ASSOCIATE AGRICULTURE NATURAL RESOURCES AGENT FOCUSED ON CONSUMER HORTICULTURE AND COORDINATING ALL OF OUR WONDERFUL EXTENSION MASTER GARDENERS. UM, CANDACE HAS HER MASTER'S DEGREE IN HORTICULTURE FROM VIRGINIA TECH, AND SHE SPENT A LOT OF HER TIME AT THE OLSON H UM, SMITH AGRICULTURE RESEARCH CENTER THERE IN WINCHESTER. UM, SO SHE WORKED REALLY CLOSELY WITH LOCAL GROWERS IN OUR AREA, SO SHE'S FAMILIAR WITH THE REGION. UM, SO AFTER SHE GRADUATED FROM THAT, SHE, UM, WORKED WITHIN THE WINCHESTER APPLE INDUSTRY, AND THEN SHE WAS ACTUALLY AN EXTENSION AGENT OVER IN WEST VIRGINIA FOR A WHILE. SO, SO CANDACE COMES TO US WITH A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, UM, AND IS A WONDERFUL RESOURCE. UM, OUR THIRD AGENT IS LIZ ROHR, AND SHE IS THE NEW, UM, AGENT HOUSE IN THE CLARK UNIT OFFICE. UM, SO LIZ COMES TO US WITH A GREAT AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE AS WELL. SHE'S GOT TWO DECADES OF EXPERIENCE IN AGRICULTURE, EDUCATION, ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE, AND COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT. SO SHE HAS A STRONG BACKGROUND IN AGRIBUSINESS, NATURAL RESOURCES AND YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, AND IS PASSIONATE ABOUT TRANSLATING RESEARCH BASED KNOWLEDGE INTO PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS FOR OUR LOCAL FARMERS. UM, SO ALL OF THIS TO SAY THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT, AND WE ARE, UM, HERE TO BE A RESOURCE TO YOU ALL. SO IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO, TO HELP AND SUPPORT YOU ALL, PLEASE DON'T HESITATE TO REACH OUT. AND WE'RE, WE'RE VERY EXCITED TO OFFER MORE PROGRAMS HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. UM, ONE THING I DID WANNA MENTION, IF ANY OF YOU ALL, UM, HAVE CONNECTIONS OR TIES TO ANY, UM, GROUPS LIKE THE VFW OR TON'S OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, UM, WE'D REALLY LIKE TO OFFER MORE PROGRAMS HERE IN WARREN, BUT ONE BARRIER IS MEETING SPACE. UM, SO WE NEED A PLACE TO HOST THESE EDUCATIONAL PROGRAMS. SO IF YOU KNOW OF ANY PLACES, UM, REACH OUT AND LET CYNTHIA KNOW AND, AND WE'LL TRY TO GET SOME PROGRAMS PLANNED. THANK YOU. ALL SOUNDS GOOD. AND WELCOME. WE'RE GLAD TO HAVE ALL THREE OF YOU. UM, THINK THIS IS A WONDERFUL PROGRAM AND, UM, I, I MET YOU IN PAGE COUNTY WHEN I WENT TO THE, UH, DEER WASTING, UM, EVENT THAT YOU HAD. AND I'D LOVE TO BRING THAT TO WARREN COUNTY TO BE ABLE TO EDUCATE THE PEOPLE HERE [00:20:01] ON THAT. I LEARNED A LOT AT THAT MEETING. WE WOULD LOVE TO HOST IT. SO WE'LL FIND THIS PLACE. ABSOLUTELY. SO, UM, THANK YOU ALL FOR DOING WHAT YOU DO. ANY QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING FROM THE BOARD FOR THIS GROUP? OKAY, WELL THANK YOU AGAIN FOR BEING HERE. APPRECIATE IT. [F. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)] OKAY. AND THAT BRINGS US TO PUBLIC COMMENT TIME AND LET READ THE PUBLIC COMMENT. SPEAKING. ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS. THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS THAT THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. UH, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS AS PART OF A PRESENTATION, AND THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANY ONE. UM, OF THAT IS SPEAKING IN PARTICIPANTS. ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE. UM, THIS IS A THREE MINUTE TIME WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU WOULD GIVE YOUR NAME AND YOUR DISTRICT MR. UM, HENDERSON. IS ANYONE SIGNED UP? UH, YES MA'AM. FIRST UP IS KATIE TENET. GOOD AFTERNOON BOARD. IT FEELS KIND OF INTERESTING TO BE HERE DURING THE DAY. I'M KATIE TENET IN THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT, SO I'M HERE TO EXPRESS MY SUPPORT. I'VE ALREADY DONE SO THROUGH LETTER AND EMAIL, BUT JUST WANTED TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR THE FUNDING OPPORTUNITY TO CONTINUE OUR CHESTER GAP, EMS SERVICE. I AM A HOMEOWNER IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL AND I AM ALSO THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA FOUR H CENTER THAT IS ARM HARMONY HOLLOW. SO IT EXTENDS BOTH OF MY PERSONAL AND PROFESSIONAL LIFE. AND THE IMPORTANCE OF HAVING EMS SERVICE VERY CLOSE, VERY QUICK IS A BIG THING FOR US. WE HAVE OVER 300 CHILDREN ON SITE EVERY WEEK DURING THE SUMMER, AND WE SERVE THOSE SPECIAL NEED POPULATIONS SUCH AS CAMP FANTASTIC, WHERE WE NEVER KNOW WHEN THERE'S GONNA BE A MEDICAL EMERGENCY THAT HAS TO COME. MY TAKE ON IT IS IF IT'S NOT BROKE, DON'T FIX IT. AND I THINK RIGHT NOW IT'S WORKED REALLY WELL OVER THE PAST YEARS. THERE'S A LOT OF TIMES I KNOW THE RECIPROCITY GOES BOTH WAYS THAT WARREN COUNTY COMES OUT AND CHESTER GAP GOES IN AND ALL OF THOSE PIECES AND PARTS. I WAS ABLE TO GO TO THE TOWN HALL MEETING ABOUT A MONTH AGO AND HEAR SOME OF THE DATA AND SOME OF THE FACTS ON THE AMOUNT OF CALLS THAT ARE COMING INTO WARREN COUNTY FROM CHESTER GAP. AND THAT REALLY MOTIVATED ME TO HELP FIGHT FOR THIS FUNDING TO CONTINUE THAT. I KNOW RAPPAHANNOCK HAS BEEN VERY GENEROUS THE PAST SIX MONTHS IN DOING THAT. A HUNDRED PERCENT TEMPORARY FUNDING THAT POSITION. BUT MY PLEA, AS I SAID, AS A RESIDENT AND AS ON THE BUSINESS SIDE OF THINGS, IS FOR WARREN COUNTY TO STEP UP AND CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP SO WE CAN HAVE THAT EMS SERVICE CLOSE WITHIN REACH, ESPECIALLY ON THE SOUTH PART OF THE COUNTY THERE WHERE YOU'RE DEALING WITH A LOT OF THE MOUNTAINS TO GET UP OVER, ROUND AND THROUGH. SO THAT IS ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. OKAY, THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS DENISE STONER. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M ALSO HERE FROM SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT AND I ALSO WANTED TO DISCUSS YOUR NAME, PLEASE. HUH? I KNOW HE SAID IT, BUT YOU STILL HAVE TO FOR THE RECORD. I'M DENISE STONER FROM SOUTH RIVER. THANK YOU. UM, I ALSO AM HERE TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BOTH CHESTER GAP AND WARREN COUNTY FIRE DEPARTMENT. I AM UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT A CONSULTANT HAS COME IN AND EVALUATED THE FIRE SERVICE FOR WARREN COUNTY, BUT WE HAVE YET TO SEE ANY DATA AS PUBLIC SO THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AT THE DATA OURSELVES AND SEE WHAT NEEDS TO TRANSPIRE TO HELP GET FIRE SERVICE, NOT JUST THE CHESTER GAP, WARREN COUNTY FIRE SERVICE, BUT TO BETTER BENEFIT ALL OF WARREN COUNTY. I ALSO LIVE IN SOUTH RIVER. WE ARE WORRIED THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE DECREASED FIRE SERVICE, WHETHER IT'S MORE TIME WAITING OR JUST NOT BEING ABLE TO BE SERVICED. IT'S BEEN A CONCERN IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. ANYBODY THAT'S ON OUR NEIGHBORHOOD FACEBOOK PAGE THAT HAS, ALL THAT HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED LATE LAST YEAR, YET IT'S BEING ADDRESSED RIGHT NOW. IT'S, WE NEED TO DO BETTER IT PROPERLY AND TIMELY ADDRESSING PROBLEMS SUCH AS THIS. SO I'M ASKING YOU GET IT ADDRESSED, WHETHER WE GET MORE SERVICE IN WARREN COUNTY [00:25:01] TO COME OUT TO US. WE KEEP CHESTER GAP. I JUST WANT IT ADDRESSED. I WANT IT IN PUBLIC. WE NEED TO DO BETTER AT NOT HAVING PEOPLE GET SCARED, WHICH IS WHAT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD BECAUSE WE DON'T, WE MIGHT NOT HAVE SERVICES THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING ALL THIS TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YOU CAN COME UP. HELLO. HI. ALAN FOX, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT AND, UH, I NEED TO SAY THAT I LOVE WARREN COUNTY. I'VE DEVOTED MY ENTIRE LIFE, WORKED IN WARREN COUNTY. MY PARENTS HAVE WORKED IN WARREN COUNTY. I JUST CAN'T SAY ENOUGH ABOUT WHAT I THINK OF WARREN COUNTY. WHAT I CAN SAY IN ADDITION THOUGH, IS THAT WITHOUT THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT AND RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, I WOULD NOT BE STANDING HERE TODAY. SO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO FUND THEM, I HOPE THAT WE CAN, THAT YOU CAN HELP US CONTINUE THAT PARTNERSHIP. AND ALSO, I NEED TO SAY CONGRATULATIONS TO HAROLD CHUN AND SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND I THINK YOU WANTED TO SPEAK JONATHAN OAKS. UH, SHANNON OIL DISTRICT. UM, I'M HERE TO SUPPORT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT TO BRING TO Y'ALL'S ATTENTION. UH, PERCY D MILLER WATER PLANT. IT'S, UH, LOCATED IN WARREN COUNTY. THEY SUPPLY ALL THE WATER FOR WINCHESTER CITY. THEY SUPPLY WATER TO FREDERICK WATER WHEN THEY NEED TO POOL EXTRA. UH, I HAVE DOCUMENTS THAT I'VE FOUND ONLINE FROM THE COMMISSIONER ARE REVENUE AND 2024. THEIR TOTAL REVENUE WAS OVER $24 MILLION FROM WATER BEING PULLED OUT OF THE NORTH FORK IN WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA. UH, UNDER STATE LAW, WE AS A LOCALITY ARE LARGE, ALLOWED TO CHARGE ANOTHER LOCALITY FEES FOR PULLING OUR WATER. UM, I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING SINCE 1956. ANY AGREEMENTS OF WHETHER OR NOT WE SIGN THEY GET WATER FOR FREE, BUT EVEN AT 5% OF THEIR TOTAL REVENUE IS AN EXTRA 1.2 MILLION INTO THE COUNTY'S REVENUE, UH, ANNUALLY. UH, PROBABLY COULD FUND A FIRE DEPARTMENT OR TWO. UM, WITH THAT THOUGH, I'D LIKE TO JUST BRING Y'ALL'S ATTENTION TO IT. UM, THEIR WATER USAGE IS ONLY GOING UP ANNUALLY AS THEY CONTINUE TO EXPAND THEIR LATEST DATA CENTER PROPOSAL UP THERE. PLANS TO HOOK TO FREDERICK WATER AND SEWER WHO ALREADY POOLS OVER $4 MILLION A YEAR IN 2024 FROM THE WINCHESTER CITY. THAT PLANT'S CAPABLE OF PUMPING 10 MILLION GALLONS A DAY. IT'S A 42 INCH MAINE OVER THE SPILLWAY CAUSEWAY. UM, OF COURSE, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY SIGNS OFF AND PERMITS HOW MUCH THEY CAN PULL DAILY AND MONTHLY. BUT WE'RE ALLOWED TO THEN CHARGE INTERJURISDICTIONAL FEES OR VOLUMETRIC FEES ON THE WATER THEY'RE PULLING OUT AS WELL. SO IF Y'ALL COULD LOOK INTO FINDING IF THERE'S ANYTHING THEY GET THE WATER FOR FREE OR IF THEY SHOULD BE PAYING FOR IT. YOU GOT A LOT OF SIGNS UP TO SAY CANOE CAPITAL OR VIRGINIA. WE GOT A RESORT, A CAMPGROUND ON THAT RIVER. WHEN IT'S DRY, YOU'RE GONNA BE A GEODE CASH CAPITAL OF VIRGINIA. UH, AIN'T GONNA BE NO CANOES GOING DOWN IT. UM, WE CHARGE OUR RESIDENTS FOR WATER THAT GETS PULLED OUTTA THE SOUTH FORK. WHAT'S LEFT OVER AND USED UNDER FEDERAL LAWS, SUPPOSED TO GO BACK INTO WHERE IT'S BEING PULLED FROM. WHAT GETS LEFT OVER GOES BACK INTO THE SOUTH FORK. SOMEHOW DEQ HAS SIGNED OFF AND WE CAN GET INTO THE DIRTY PART OF IT LATER HAS SIGNED OFF ON THE STATE LEVEL THAT WINCHESTER WHAT'S LEFT OVER GETS DUMPED INTO OPEC AND WATERSHED AND SLOWLY MAKES ITS WAY BACK TO THE SHENANDOAH 16 MILES FROM WHERE IT'S BEING PULLED OUT. SO HOW THE STATE CAN GO AGAINST FEDERAL LAW IS BEYOND ME. WE CAN GET INTO THAT PART LATER, BUT RIGHT NOW THE IMPORTANT PART'S FIGURING OUT, HAVE WE SIGNED ANYTHING THAT THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR OUR WATER AND IF NOT, WHY AREN'T WE COLLECTING ON IT? YOU NEED MONEY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? [00:30:01] THIRD AND FINAL. OKAY. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER. [G.1. February 17th 2026 - Regular Meeting & Work Session] AND NEXT IS APPROVAL OF MINUTES FROM FEBRUARY 17TH, 2026. ARE THERE ANY, UM, ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, CORRECTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. STAN MAYER. AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. DR. JAMISON [H. Consent Agenda] AYE. CONSENT AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION ON THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER FOUR BRIEFLY. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER FOUR? MOVE TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION OF NUMBER FOUR? SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. [H.4. Contract Renewal - Earthdiver, LLC Contract for Tourism Website - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator] OKAY. NUMBER FOUR, SIR. UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO READ THE EXPLANATION SUMMARY. THE COUNTY HAS PREVIOUSLY SOLICITED AND AWARDED A CONTRACTOR EARTH DRIVER, LLC FOR TOURISM WEBSITE FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEPARTMENT IN DECEMBER, 2023. THE INITIAL TERM OF THE CONTRACT WAS FOR 12 MONTHS ENDING IN APRIL 16TH, 2025. THE CONTRACT WAS AMENDED TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL ONE YEAR TERM ENDING ON APRIL 16TH, 2026. I GUESS THE REASON I WANTED TO, SINCE THIS IS TOURISM, WE HAVE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE OUR OWN COMMITTEE. THE TOWN WORKS ON IT. I KNOW WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS WORKING TOGETHER. I KNOW THE TOWN I THINK HAS DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL WEBSITE. UH, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WOULD BE MONEY BETTER SPENT TO GO IN WITH THEM AND DO A COMBINED TYPE OF THING. I KNOW ON THE, TO GET TO THE, THE COUNTIES, I GUESS YOU CAN GOOGLE TOURISM WARREN COUNTY AND IT TAKES YOU TO THE, BASICALLY THE EDA SITE. AND THIS IS COMING UNDER THE EDA, THEY'RE SEPARATE. UM, THIS ITEM, IF YOU'D LIKE TO DELAY IT TO THE MEETING WE HAVE ON THE 17TH, THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A BETTER IDEA BECAUSE FRIDAY DURING THE BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, I'M GONNA GO OVER A COUPLE DIFFERENT OPTIONS REGARDING TOURISM. OKAY? SO IT'D PROBABLY BE FAIR TO DELAY. I MOVED THE TABLE FOR THE 17TH. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. MR. MEYER? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR. AYE. DR. JAMISON? AYE. [I.1. Budget Action — Chester Gap Volunteer Fire Department] ALRIGHT, NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS, IF I CAN GET THIS TO COME UP HERE IS THE CHESTER GAP, UM, VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT FUNDING AGREEMENT. AND I ASKED FOR THIS, UM, TO BE PUT ON. UH, YOU KNOW, AS YOU KNOW, WE AND ASSISTANT CHIEF KO, I, I AM GONNA ASK YOU TO COME UP BECAUSE TO HELP WITH THE HISTORY OF THIS AGREEMENT AND SO FORTH. UM, I ASKED TO BRING THIS BACK BECAUSE I WAS, UM, IN CONVERSATION WITH, UM, CHIEF BROWN AND WITH, UH, CHAIRMAN DONAH HAY FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY TO SEE IF THIS IS DEAD IN THE WATER, IF THERE WAS ANY, YOU KNOW, HOPE TO CONTINUE IT AND SO FORTH AFTER, UM, LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY AND SO FORTH. AND AS Y'ALL KNOW, I AM A CHAMPION OF THIS AGREEMENT. STAND BY THAT. UM, AND THIS IS TO COVER A THREE MONTH PERIOD SO THAT THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME, UM, MORE TIME TO FIGURE THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT, SEE WHERE FUNDING AND SO FORTH AND HOW WE MOVE FORWARD FROM THIS. UM, AS THE LADY SAID, AND, UM, TO ANSWER HER QUESTION, WE WILL BE PUTTING THE STUDY OUT FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT IN THE NEAR FUTURE, CORRECT? THAT IS CORRECT, YES, MA'AM. OKAY. AND, UM, AND HOPEFULLY TO, YOU KNOW, FOR EVERYBODY TO GET A GOOD UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THAT STUDY. BUT THIS WOULD BE A THREE MONTH PERIOD AND, UM, I THINK ABOUT $45,000 TO COVER THAT AND TO, YOU [00:35:01] KNOW, HAVE A CONVERSATION. UM, I MET WITH CHIEF BROWN OVER THE WEEKEND AND AT THIS POINT MOVING THE EMS SIDE OF THAT, UM, FIRE DEPARTMENT TO FLINT HILL, WHICH WOULD DECREASE RESPONSE TIME TO WARREN COUNTY. UM, WHICH CONCERNS THE PEOPLE EVEN IN CHESTER GAP ON THE RAPPAHANNOCK SIDE. 'CAUSE THAT'S GONNA BE ANOTHER 15 MINUTES FROM WHERE THEY'RE USED TO RECEIVING SERVICES. UM, PART OF THE CONVERSATION MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE, UM, WHERE WOULD WE CONSIDER CHESTER GAP TURNING OVER THEIR EMS LICENSE TO WARREN COUNTY IN ORDER TO HAVE STAFFING WARREN COUNTY SUPPLY STAFFING THERE AND WARREN COUNTY WOULD GET THE COST RECOVERY MONEY. SO THAT IS THE ASK THAT'S ON THE TABLE TODAY IS, UM, A CONSIDERATION FOR A THREE MONTH PERIOD TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. EITHER CONTINUE THIS OR HOWEVER. SO IF YOU WANNA GIVE SOME HISTORY OF WHERE WE STARTED AND HOW WE GOT HERE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. SURE. AND, UH, UH, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD AND COUNTY STAFF AS ALWAYS, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. UH, SO WHEN I WAS TOLD I WAS GONNA BE ASKED FOR SOME HISTORY, I SAT BACK THERE AND TRIED TO DO MY BEST WITH JOTTING SOME STUFF DOWN. SO 30,000 FOOT VIEW OF THE PROGRAM. I WANT TO GO BACK TO 2015, 2016, WHERE WARREN COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND OUR FIRE AND RESCUE ADMINISTRATION WAS MEETING WITH CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, TO ONE LOOK AT THE PROGRAMS AND SERVICES PROVIDED TO THAT VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION, UH, BOTH FROM A WARREN COUNTY STANDPOINT AS WELL AS A RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY STANDPOINT, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT CHESTER GAP WAS BEING ADEQUATELY SERVED AS A VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION, BUT WASN'T GETTING REDUNDANT SERVICES FROM BOTH LOCALITIES. UH, WITH THAT, UM, THROUGH A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS, IT WAS DECIDED BY RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY'S FIRE COMMISSION OR CHIEF STAFF, AS WE WOULD CALL IT, UH, TO SUPPORT CHESTER GAP OF REMAINING A RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY VOLUNTEER COMPANY AND BECOMING AN AUTOMATIC AID COMPANY TO WARREN COUNTY. SO WITH THAT, IN 2016, WARRING COUNTY ENTERED INTO AN AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT WITH CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. AND THAT AGREEMENT HAS A FUNDING FORMULA THAT WILL PROVIDE PROPORTIONATE FUNDING TO CHESTER GAP, UH, TO OUR, ONE OF OUR VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES. IN ESSENCE, IF THEY RAN 60% OF THEIR CALLS FOR SERVICE INTO WARRING COUNTY, WARRING COUNTY WOULD FUND THEM AT 60% OF THE LEVEL WE FUND OUR OWN VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES. THAT NUMBER WOULD NOT GO BELOW $39,500. SO A GUARANTEED ANNUAL FUNDING AMOUNT TO THAT VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION FOR THE AUTOMATIC AID SERVICE. THAT AGREEMENT WAS SIGNED AND IT WAS BUSINESS AS USUAL IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY WAS USED AS PART OF OUR RESPONSE ALGORITHM IN WARRING COUNTY. SO WHAT AUTOMATIC AID IS, IS WE WOULD BUILD THEM IN AS PART OF OUR AUTOMATIC DISPATCH ALGORITHM BASED OFF OF THEIR PROXIMITY TO THE COUNTY LINE. SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE LAKEFRONT, ROYAL HARMONY HOLLOW POINT OF WOODS AREAS. THEY WOULD HAVE A FIRST DUE AREA RESPONSE. SO THEY WOULD BE AUTOMATICALLY THE PRIMARY RESPONSE AGENCY FOR THAT RESPECTIVE RESPONSE DISTRICT AND UTILIZED AS PART OF OUR OVERALL RESPONSE ALGORITHM. IF WE HAVE A FIRE AND, UH, RIVERMONT, THEY WOULD BRING THEIR TANKER AS PART OF THAT AUTOMATIC RESPONSE. WHEREAS IF WE WANTED A TANKER FROM, UH, MARSHALL FIRE DEPARTMENT IN FAKI COUNTY, WE WOULD SPECIAL REQUEST THEM, AND THAT WOULD BE A MUTUAL AID ASSIGNMENT. SO IT WOULD NOT BE BUILT IN AS PART OF THAT RESPONSE ALGORITHM. IN 2020, THE VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION APPROACHED BOTH RAPPAHANNOCK AND WARREN COUNTIES AND SIGNALED THAT THEY WERE FACING A CRISIS WITH EMS STAFFING AS IT RELATED TO THE COVID PANDEMIC, UH, ULTIMATELY BASED OFF OF FULL-TIME JOBS OF THEIR VOLUNTEERS, AS WELL AS THE, UM, DESIRE NOT TO RESPOND TO EMS BASED INCIDENTS AND BRING A, UH, KNOWN PROBLEM HOME. UH, SOME OF THEIR VOLUNTEERS HAD SAID WE'RE NO LONGER GONNA BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO INCIDENTS, UH, ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. THAT ULTIMATELY LED TO A CRISIS THAT CHESTER GAP FELT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO RESPOND TO EMS CALLS DUE TO THE LOSS OF, UH, VOLUNTEER RESPONDERS. SO THEY DEVELOPED AN IDEA [00:40:01] WITH THE SUPPORT OF RAPPAHANNOCK AND WARRING COUNTIES, UH, TO HIRE SUBCONTRACTORS TO STAFF THIS STATION 24 7 365 WITH BOTH WARREN COUNTY AND RAPPAHANNOCK BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A 50 50 COST SHARE OF AN AGREED UPON HOURLY RATE FOR A LS AND BLS PROVIDERS. UH, THAT WAS A TEMPORARY MEASURE TO GET THAT VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION THROUGH THE COVID PANDEMIC. AND IT WAS, UH, RE AGREED UPON YEAR BY YEAR MOVING FORWARD IN THE PARAMETERS THAT LATER MOVED TO A 60 40 SPLIT BASED OFF OF THE CALL DISTRIBUTION. UH, THERE WAS CONCERNS THAT CHESTER GAP WAS RUNNING MORE CALLS INTO WARRING COUNTY, BUT, UH, HANOCK WAS PAYING PROPORTIONATE LEVEL OF FUNDING. UH, SO WARREN COUNTY AGREED TO A 60 40 SPLIT AND AGREED TO A 60 40 SPLIT OF THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION COVERAGE ON THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS. THAT PROGRAM CONTINUED ALL THE WAY UP TO FISCAL YEAR 26. DURING THIS BUDGET YEAR, WARREN COUNTY HAD ENTERED, UM, THE STAFFING PROGRAM INTO THE CONTINUED FUNDING WITHIN OUR VOLUNTEER BUDGET, UH, BUT RECEIVED A MESSAGE FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY WITH A REQUEST TO INCREASE THE CONTRIBUTION TO SUPPORT AN HOURLY RATE INCREASE OF THE SUBCONTRACTORS. UH, DR. DALEY AT THE TIME COMMUNICATED THAT IT WAS A TIGHT BUDGET YEAR THROUGH, UM, THAT RESPECTIVE COMMUNICATION AND HE DID NOT SEE WARREN COUNTY'S BOARD INCREASING THE HOURLY RATE WITHIN THAT MESSAGE. A RESPONSE WAS RECEIVED THAT WARREN COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO POTENTIALLY DO CONTINGENCY PLANNING BECAUSE HANOCK DID NOT KNOW IF CHESTER GAP WOULD CONTINUE SUPPORTING THE PROGRAM WITHOUT THE INCREASE. SO AT THE DIRECTION OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DAILY AT THE TIME, HE DIRECTED US TO DEVELOP CONTINGENCY PLANNING. AND THAT CONTINGENCY PLANNING RESULTED IN A DATA ANALYSIS. THAT DATA ANALYSIS EXAMINED THE CALL DISTRIBUTIONS OF THE CHESTER GAP RESPONSE SERVICES, BOTH FIRE AND EMS, AND DETERMINED THAT THE MAJORITY OF CHESTER GAP'S EMS CALLS FOR SERVICE WHILE 60% IN WARRAN COUNTY. AT THE TIME, THE MAJORITY WAS IN THE RESPONSE DISTRICT OF FRONT ROYAL FIRE DEPARTMENT. SO CHESTER GAP WAS LEAVING THE MOUNTAIN COMING INTO THE TOWN'S JURISDICTION AND PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE ULTIMATELY BECAUSE OF THE CALL DISTRIBUTION AND CALL PRESSURES WITHIN THAT RESPONSE DISTRICT OF OUR HIGHEST POPULATED DISTRICT. UH, SO THE CONTINGENCY PLAN WAS, IS WE COULD SHIFT THE FUNDING FROM THE CHESTER GAP STAFFING PROGRAM AND HIRE A FOURTH FULL-TIME POSITION AT THE FRONT ROYAL STATION AND THAT WOULD PROVIDE US THE ABILITY TO STAFF 24 7 365 TO ADVANCED LIFE SUPPORT UNITS, OR A TOTAL OF FOUR PEOPLE AT FRONT ROYAL. THE RESPONSE COVERAGE WITHIN THE CHESTER GAP DISTRICT COULD COME FROM THE FRONT ROYAL STATION AND THE VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION, JUST LIKE IT WAS PRE THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM IN 2020. SO ULTIMATELY THIS BOARD AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AND THE FIRE CHIEF MADE THAT DECISION TO SHIFT THE FUNDING FROM THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM TO HIRE FULL, FULL A FOURTH FULL-TIME POSITION 24 7, 365, OR A TOTAL OF THREE POSITIONS BASED OFF OF MAKING THAT CHANGE. COUNTY ADMINISTRATION AT THE TIME DECIDED AND MADE THE DECISION THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THE STAFFING PROGRAM FOR THREE ADDITIONAL MONTHS INTO FISCAL YEAR 26. SO BASICALLY EFFECTIVE OCTOBER ONE, THAT'S WHEN THE COUNTY WOULD CEASE FUNDING THE PROGRAM. RAPPAHANNOCK MADE THE DECISION THAT EFFECTIVE OCTOBER ONE THROUGH MARCH, I BELIEVE, UM, OF 26, THEY WOULD FUND THIS PROGRAM A HUNDRED PERCENT. WE WORKED WITH CHESTER GAP'S LEADERSHIP IN RAPPA HANOCK COUNTY TO DETERMINE THE BEST COURSE. 'CAUSE OBVIOUSLY THERE WAS CONCERN THAT RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY WAS PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT FOR SUBCONTRACTORS, BUT WARREN COUNTY WOULD CONTINUE TO UTILIZE THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS AS RESPONSE PERSONNEL INTO WARRING COUNTY. SO WHAT WE DID IS ON OCTOBER 1ST, WE INSTITUTED A COUPLE OF DISPATCH AND PROCEDURAL CHANGES THAT WE WOULD CONTINUE TO DISPATCH CHESTER GAP IN ACCORDANCE WITH OUR AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT, BUT WE WOULD SIMULTANEOUSLY DISPATCH THE FRONT ROYAL STATION AND THE CHESTER GAP LEADERSHIP WOULD MAKE THE DECISION AS TO WAS IT EFFECTIVE OR NECESSARY TO SEND THE SUBCONTRACTORS OUT OF THE STATION FOR [00:45:01] THAT EMERGENCY RESPONSE INTO WARREN COUNTY. IF IT'S AN EMS BASED RESPONSE, UH, THEY MAY SEND THEM INTO WARREN COUNTY BECAUSE OF, OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE COST RECOVERY REVENUE STREAMS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. SO IF THEY TURN THAT CALL DOWN, THEY WOULD POTENTIALLY LOSE MONEY. A FIRE BASED RESPONSE, IT WOULD BE BASED OFF OF WHAT THE VOLUNTEER STAFFING ABILITY IS AND DO WE SEND THE SUBCONTRACTORS OUT OF THE BUILDING OR NOT? WE HAVE BASICALLY LEFT THAT TO THE DISCRETION IN FULL DECISION OF CHESTER GAP'S LEADERSHIP AS TO HOW THEY UTILIZE THE SUBCONTRACTORS DURING THE TIME OF WHICH RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY IS PAYING A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE PROGRAM. SO AS OF RECENTLY, UM, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY HAS CONTINUED A DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT'S NEXT. AND OUR UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY HAS MADE THE DECISION IF WARREN COUNTY DOES NOT CONTINUE TO FUND THE PROGRAM OR REENGAGE IN FUNDING THIS PROGRAM FOR THE MONTHS OF, UM, I BELIEVE IT IS APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE, SO THREE ADDITIONAL MONTHS, THEY WOULD SHIFT THEIR FUNDING, UM, STREAMS FROM THE CHESTER GAP PROGRAM TO THE RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY FIRE AND EMS SERVICE, AND THEY WOULD HIRE PROVIDERS AND PUT THEM AT THE FLINT HILL STATION. UH, SO THAT WOULD MORE OR LESS ELIMINATE THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM AT THE CHESTER GAP STATION, MOVE THEM TO THE FLINT HILL STATION. UH, HANOCK WOULD DO A SIMILAR DISPATCH SYSTEM AS WE DO. IF CHESTER GAP GETS A CALL FOR SERVICE IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, THEY WOULD DISPATCH CHESTER GAP AND FLINT HILL TO PROVIDE THAT IMMEDIATE RESPONSE SERVICE. IF IT'S IN WARRING COUNTY, WE WOULD DISPATCH CHESTER GAP IN FRONT ROYAL OR THE NEXT STAFF RESOURCES TO PROVIDE THAT IMMEDIATE SERVICE. AS OF THE LAST COMMUNICATION WITH RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY HAS INDICATED THAT THIS BOARD MUST TAKE ACTION AT TODAY'S MEETING TO DETERMINE IF YOU ARE GONNA REAPPROPRIATE $45,000 OR THREE MONTHS OF FUNDING TO CONTINUE SUPPORTING THAT PROGRAM. AND AT YOUR APRIL MEETING, YOU MUST REENGAGE INTO A LONG-TERM, UM, AGREEMENT TO AT NEW TERMS TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM. IF WARREN COUNTY FAILS TO COMMIT FUNDING AT THIS MEETING AND TAKE ACTION AT THEIR APRIL MEETING, THEY WILL MOVE THEIR STAFFING RESOURCES TO THE FLINT HILLS STATION. UH, SO OBVIOUSLY, UH, A FEW CONCERNS FROM A FIRE ADMINISTRATION IS THAT, UM, WHILE WE UNDERSTAND YOU HAVE THREE MONTHS OF, UM, UH, POTENTIAL FUNDING ALLOCATION YOU HAVE, THEY'RE THEY'RE BASICALLY HOLDING YOU TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY. AND OBVIOUSLY YOUR FIRE CHIEF IS PRESENTING HIS BUDGET PROPOSAL ON FRIDAY. SO YOU'LL BE MAKING THE SHORT TERM DECISION AHEAD OF THE BUDGET PRESENTATION. YOU'LL BE ABLE TO HEAR THE FIRE CHIEF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL, THE FIRE CHIEF'S BUDGET PROPOSAL SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO STAFFING DOES FOLLOW, UH, THE INITIAL GUIDELINES OF THE MATRIX CONSULTANT STUDY. UM, THEN YOU'LL HAVE TO MAKE A LONG-TERM DECISION EFFECTIVE APRIL AND WHAT, WHAT AGREEABLE TERMS THAT LOOKS LIKE. THAT'S THE 30,000 FOOT VIEW. OUTSIDE OF THAT, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS WHICH YOU MAY HAVE. WELL, BACK WHEN, I MEAN, I I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GOING TO FIGHT FOR THIS BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE RIGHT THING. AND BACK WHEN HOMER CROSS PASSED AWAY, THE DECISION WAS MADE TO PUT PAID FIREMEN IN THAT BEFORE OUR BUDGET. AND THAT WAS A MUCH HIGHER EXPENSE THAN WHAT I'M ASKING FOR, FOR THREE MONTHS FOR US TO CONTINUE WORKING, UH, FOR THE BENEFIT OF MY DISTRICT. AND TWO LARGE SUBDIVISIONS THEREIN. WELL, THREE, UM, LAKEFRONT ROYAL AND POINT OF WOODS, AND THEN BLUE RIDGE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BLUE RIDGE ESTATES, I ALWAYS GET THAT WRONG. OR BLUE MOUNTAIN ESTATES BACK BEHIND POINT OF WOODS. AND, UM, I DON'T THINK I'M BEING UNREASONABLE ASKING FOR THIS. I DON'T THINK THE COMMUNITY'S BEING UNREASONABLE ASKING FOR THIS. SO YOU KNOW THAT WE CAN, IT DOES SOUND, I AGREE THAT I FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING PRESSURED, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE IN A BUDGET SITUATION JUST LIKE WE ARE. UM, [00:50:03] AND, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE TO MAKE THE SAME DECISIONS THAT WE ARE. SO I'M LOOKING AT IT AS NOT POKING THE BEAR OVER HERE SO MUCH AS THEY'RE COMING INTO A CRUNCH OF NEEDING TO KNOW WE EITHER HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION OR GET OFF THE POT TYPE THING. UM, AND I THINK THAT 45,000 IS I I AND A NUMBER THAT WE CAN ALL LIVE WITH FOR THREE MONTHS TO, TO FIGURE OUT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. I, I DON'T EVER WANNA PUT PEOPLE AT RISK OVER A DOLLAR AND, UM, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T EITHER AND I WISH I HAD THE MONEY TO, TO FUND EVERYTHING THE WAY WE DO, BUT I, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE DECISIONS THAT WE'VE MADE IN THE PAST, I DON'T THINK THIS IS AN UNREASONABLE REQUEST FOR THREE MONTHS AND I'M OPEN TO HEAR ANYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS. I DO WANNA JUST TAKE A, I DON'T KNOW IF I HIGHLIGHTED IT AND I, AND I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. SO THIS DOES NOT AFFECT THE ANNUAL FUNDING OF THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. I KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE HAVE SENT EMAILS IN THAT WE'RE PROVIDING ZERO FUNDING TO THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THEY'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO WARRING COUNTY. WE HAVE CONTINUED THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION FUNDING FOR THE VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION IN ACCORDANCE WITH THAT AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT. AND, UH, CHIEF HAS SIGNALED IN OUR BUDGET REQUEST SIGNALS, WE CONTINUE THAT FUNDING, UM, ACTUALLY AT A HIGHER RATE THAN WHAT THE AGREEMENT CALLS FOR. SO THAT THAT AGREEMENT HAS A LOWER, SO NOT TO GO BELOW BASED OFF OF PERCENTAGE, THAT'S A 39 5. WE HAVE MAINTAINED THE 44,000 ALLOCATION JUST BASED OFF OF, WE HAVE NOT REDUCED OUR VOLUN OUR OWN VOLUNTEER INSTITUTION. SO THEREFORE WE HAVE NOT REDUCED OUR PARTNERING AGENCIES, IE MIDDLETOWN AND CHESTER GAP. SO, SO WE HAVE CONTINUED THAT BUDGET PROPOSAL AT THAT 44,000. THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION. SO THE, THE, THE STATEMENT THAT WE'RE NOT PROVIDING ANY FUNDING IS JUST NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. SO I WANNA HIGHLIGHT THAT. AND FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE, THE COMMUNITY AND OUR, UM, PAID STAFF IN THE BACK THERE, I NEVER AGREED TO PAYING RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE PAYING HERE. FOR ME, THAT WAS A DEAL BREAKER. I'M NOT GONNA PAY ANYBODY MORE THAN WHAT WE PAY OUR OWN PEOPLE. UM, AND I THINK THAT WAS A MISCOMMUNICATION. I THINK THE BOARD WANTED US TO PAY MORE BECAUSE THEY HAD DECIDED TO UP, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE TWO PAID PEOPLE THAT I KNOW OF OVER THERE. SO IT WAS REAL EASY FOR THEM TO DO A, A BUMP IN SALARY WHERE, YOU KNOW, TO MATCH THAT WAS DIFFICULT FOR US. SO THAT WAS A NO FROM THE BEGINNING AND THEY SHOULD HAVE HAD THAT CONVERSATION WITH US BEFORE THEY WENT AND DID THAT, UM, AND MOVE IT. IF WE DO THIS FOR THREE MONTHS, IT WILL BE AT THE SAME RATE THAT WE PAY OUR OWN PEOPLE. AND CHIEF BROWN UNDERSTANDS THAT, AND HE HIMSELF WAS NOT, OR AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT HE TOLD ME, WAS NOT REQUESTING THAT HIS PEOPLE BE PAID MORE THAN WHAT WE PAY OUR OWN STAFF. SO I JUST WANT THAT CLEAR THAT I NEVER AGREED TO THAT AND WOULD NEVER AGREE TO THAT. SO I GUESS AT THIS POINT I, LIKE I SAID, I THINK I CAN SUPPORT THIS FOR THE SHORT TERM. UH, I'D LIKE TO HEAR BACK FROM THE CHIEF AND AS FAR AS HIS, UM, BUDGET REQUEST, WHICH WE'VE HEARD SOME OF THEM, AND I THINK MS. CALLER'S ALREADY SAID, THE REPORT THAT YOU ALL HAVE, WHERE CAN A UH, UH, WHERE CAN A CITIZEN FIND THAT? IS THAT ALREADY, IS THAT ON YOUR WEBSITE? IT'S NOT. WE CONVENED THE MEETING OF OUR FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF, UM, WHICH THANK YOU MRS. COLORS AND, AND MR. CARTER FOR, FOR COMING AND BEING A PART OF. UH, WE HAVE OUR FIRE CHIEFS HAVE ASKED FOR A LITTLE MORE TIME TO DIGEST THAT DOCUMENT. UH, WE WILL BRING THAT BACK IN, UM, I THINK TWO WEEKS. UH, WE BRING THAT BACK WHERE THE FIRE CHIEFS ADVISORY STAFF WILL TAKE A VOTE ON ACCEPTING THE REPORT AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS AT THAT TIME. WE'LL, WE'LL PUT IT ON THE WEBSITE FOR PUBLIC REVIEW AND COMMENT. WE JUST WANT AS MANY EYES ON IT AS POSSIBLE TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S A RELIABLE DOCUMENT, IT'S DATA DRIVEN, AND IF THERE'S ANY RUMS WITH THE DATA, WE ADDRESS IT BEFORE WE PUT IT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY. OUR BOARD HAS GOT TO LOOK [00:55:01] AT IT, OUR FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF. SO I THINK ONCE WE SUPPORT THAT AT THE FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF LEVEL, WE'LL OBVIOUSLY RELEASE IT TO THE COMMUNITY. OKAY. AND YOU MAY HAVE TOUCHED ON IT RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY MEDIC UNITS ARE THERE AT COMPANY ONE? WE HAVE TWO. WE HAVE TWO MEDIC UNITS THERE. THEY'RE BOTH STAFFED A LS 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK, UM, AS WELL AS CROSS STAFFING FIRE BASED RESPONSE AS WELL, LIKE ALL OF OUR STATIONS. SO IF ONE OF YOU, IF IF MEDIC ONE IS DISPATCHED TO LAKEFRONT OR THERE'S STILL SOMEBODY STANDING BY, UH, IN CASE THERE'S A CALL IN TOWN. CORRECT. OKAY. AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS I, I'VE GOTTEN EMAILS AS, AS I'M SURE THE REST OF US HAVE, AND WE'VE HEARD TO THINGS AND I WAS JUST LOOKING IN THERE AGAIN, I SAW IT ON THE INTERNET, SO IT MUST BE TRUE . UH, I I I WAS JUST TRYING TO COME UP WITH A RESPONSE TIME AND I DO REALIZE THAT, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY ARE MINUTES IMPORTANT, SOMETIMES SECONDS CAN MAKE ALL THE DIFFERENCE, BUT I WAS LOOKING AT FROM CHESTER GAP TO FOUR H CENTER, WHAT IT SHOWED ON WHATEVER MAP WEST IT SHOWED, IT TOOK 18 MINUTES FROM CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT TO REACH FOUR H CENTER AND A TOTAL OF AROUND SEVEN MILES FOR COMPANY ONE. WAIT A SECOND, IT LOOKS LIKE COMPANY ONE. IT WAS 16 MINUTES AND FIVE MILES TO REACH LAKEFRONT ROYAL FOR CHESTER GAP. IT TOOK SIX MINUTES AND ROUGHLY TWO MILES. AND FROM LAKEFRONT ROYAL, UH, FROM FRONT ROYAL TOOK EIGHT MINUTES AND FOUR MILES. AND OF COURSE THAT TAKES INTO ACCOUNT TOO, I'M SURE THE STOPLIGHTS BECAUSE YOU GUYS DON'T STOP AT STOPLIGHTS, DO YOU? ANYWAY? DEPENDS ON THE EMERGENCY. SO WHAT WE'VE DONE, SIR, IS WE HAVE A, WHAT WE DID A-W-C-F-R COMMUNITY RESPONSE COMPARISON UTILIZING CENTER ADDRESS LOCATIONS AND THAT DOCUMENT FROM A, FROM A FIRE ADMINISTRATION STANDPOINT, WHEN WE LOOK AT COMPARATIVE SERVICE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, LAKEFRONT ROYAL UTILIZING A CENTER GEOGRAPHICAL ADDRESS IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL OF 5 0 9 MOUNTAIN HEIGHTS ROAD, THERE IS AN AVERAGE OF 13.2 MINUTES FOR A FIVE COMPANY RESPONSE. UH, LAKEFRONT ROYAL, UH, FROM CHESTER GAP SHOWS A SEVEN MINUTES OR 3.3 MILE. UH, FRONT ROYAL IS A 5.6 MILES OR 12 MINUTES. AND AGAIN, THAT TAKES IN TRAFFIC LIGHTS, STOP SIGNS, ET CETERA. UH, IT ALSO UTILIZES THAT, THAT GPS TECHNOLOGY FOR ANY TIME YOU PUT AN ADDRESS IN, UM, WHAT THE, WHAT THE, UH, SPEED LIMIT IS ON THE ROAD TRAVELED, HOW MANY LEFT HAND TURNS, HOW MANY RIGHT HAND TURNS, HOW MANY CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS VERSUS NON-CONTROLLED INTERSECTIONS. COMPARATIVELY, WE'VE DONE THAT FOR PRETTY MUCH ALL POINTS IN GEOGRAPHICAL PLACES WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. LOOKING AT BROWNTOWN BLOOM, MOUNTAIN NORTH RELIANCE, THUNDERBIRD FARMS, BENNY BEACH, SKYLAND ESTATES. SO ARE WE TRULY UNDER SERVING ONE AREA HIGHER THAN THE OTHER, BASED OFF OF THE DECISIONS WE MAKE? AND ULTIMATELY WE HAVE TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS WITH THE OVERALL RESPONSE IN, UH, COMMUNITY, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO SHOW OUR FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF SOME OF THE DATA AND ANALYTICS COMING OUTTA THE MATRIX STUDY. AND IN PARTICULARLY THE CALL PRESSURES WITHIN THAT FRONT ROYAL RESPONSE DISTRICT. CONVERSELY THE SAME CALL PRESSURES FOR THE CHESTER GAP DISTRICT, IF CHESTER GAP MOVES THEIR A LS ASSET OR AN AMBULANCE TO RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE, LAKEFRONT, ROYAL HARMONY HOLLOW POINT OF WOODS ARE NO LONGER SERVED BY THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. IN ESSENCE, BASED OFF OF THEIR STAFFING, THAT RESPONSE SERVICE WOULD COME FROM FRONT ROYAL. CONVERSELY, IF CHESTER GAP MOVES INTO FRONT ROYAL TO COVER THE CALL, AGAIN, THEY'RE NOT COVERED, RIGHT? 'CAUSE THEY'RE HANDLING A CALL IN FRONT ROYAL. SO THE WHOLE PREMISE OF OUR STAFFING PLAN, WHICH YOU'LL GET, IS IF WE CAN KEEP UNITS IN THEIR RESPECTIVE RESPONSE DISTRICT A LONGER AMOUNT OF TIME, WE CAN PROVIDE A HIGHER LEVEL OF SERVICE. AND IF THE CALL PRESSURES ARE IN THE FRONT ROYAL DISTRICT, BOLSTERING THE STAFFING IN THAT FRONT ROYAL DISTRICT IS OUR PRESSURES TO KEEP THE OUTLYING COMPANIES IN SERVICE. SO BASED OFF OF THAT, SIR, I THINK THAT THE, THE, THE RESPONSE COMPARISON TO FRONT ROYAL POINT OF WOODS TO OTHER AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY, UM, ARE ACTUALLY A LITTLE BETTER COMPARED TO BLUE MOUNTAIN, THE TOP OF FRAS ROAD, HIGH TOP, ET CETERA. SO I, WELL, EXCUSE ME. UM, LIKE I SAID, I KIND OF, I I FEEL LIKE I CAN SUPPORT THIS ON THE SHORT TERM, BUT THEN THE OTHER CONCERN, AND, AND THERE AGAIN, I WITHHOLD JUDGMENT AS FAR AS THE FINAL, UH, DECISION AFTER WE HEAR FROM THE CHIEF, BUT WE DO HAVE A DEADLINE FROM MM-HMM [01:00:01] WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE? I HAD IT HERE SOMEWHERE. OH, THERE IT'S, YEAH. IF WE DON'T MAKE A DECISION BY THE REGULAR APRIL MEETING FOR SOME TYPE OF MOU, THEY'RE GONNA START, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR TIMEFRAME IS. WE'RE GONNA START MOVING PAID MEN. SO I GUESS THE ONLY CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IF WE GIVE THEM 45,000 FOR THREE MONTHS, IS THAT GONNA KEEP THEM THERE? AT LEAST FOR THAT PERIOD. AND YOU CAN'T ANSWER THAT. BUT WILL THAT KEEP THEM THERE? UH, OR KNOW, SHOULD WE JUST GO ON A MONTH TO MONTH BASIS OR AT LEAST WAIT TILL APRIL, LIKE I SAID, 'CAUSE IT SAYS IN THEIR MEMO, THEY'RE GONNA PULL, THEY'RE GONNA PULL THE PAVEMENT TO FLINT HILL. IF WE DON'T, IF WE DON'T DO BOTH, GIVE 'EM THE MONEY TODAY AND AND AGREE TO IT ON APRIL. SO TO, TO ANSWER THAT IS THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN IS IT'S BASED OFF OF, YOU'LL COMMIT THE FUNDING FOR THE AGREED UPON TERMS AND THE AGREED UPON TERMS ARE BASED OFF OF A REIMBURSEMENT BASIS. SO IF THEY PULL THE STAFF AND DON'T EXPEND THE FUNDS AT THE CHESTER GAP PROGRAM, THEN I THINK JASON CAN TELL YOU, I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WOULD BE LIABLE FOR THE FULL 45,000 IF THEY DIDN'T ENCUMBER ANY COST. I, THE CURRENT MOTION DOESN'T SAY THAT. IT JUST SAYS I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALLOCATE 45,300 CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT IF THAT'S A, YOU KNOW, THREE TIMES THE NEW MONTHLY AMOUNT. AND IF Y'ALL HAVEN'T DECIDED WHAT YOU WANT TO DO IN UH, APRIL, YET, IT MIGHT MAKE MORE SENSE TO DO A THIRD OF THAT. AND THEN AT YOUR REGULAR APRIL, THAT WOULD MEET THE LETTER OF THIS MARCH 3RD, 2026 MEMO THAT WE GOT FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT A THIRD IS THE RIGHT NUMBER TO GET THROUGH TO PROBABLY WHAT IT WOULD END UP BEING WOULD BE OUR, I DUNNO IF IT WOULD BE OUR FIRST OR SECOND, UM, APRIL MEETING. YEAH, WE WE'RE, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND AGAIN, WE WEREN'T INVOLVED IN SOME OF THESE DISCUSSIONS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THESE FUNDS WOULD BE FOR THE APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE TIMEFRAME. RAPPAHANNOCK HAS ALREADY COMMITTED FUNDING FOR THE A HUNDRED PERCENT COST THROUGH MARCH. AND I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT FROM A RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY SIDE, BUT, UM, UH, I JUST DON'T KNOW. WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING, IF WE DON'T FUND IT, THERE IS NO STAFF TO MOVE. WHAT THEY WILL DO IS JUST STOP FUNDING. UH, THEY DON'T OWN CHESTER GAPS APPARATUS. SO BASICALLY IT WOULD SET THERE, UM, VOLUNTEERS, IF THERE ARE ANY VOLUNTEERS WOULD RUN IT. AND FROM THE CONVERSATION I'VE HAD, WHICH HE BROWN, THE REASON HE WOULD CONSIDER TURNING OVER IF THAT CONVERSATION WAS AGREEABLE, THE MS LICENSE IS, HE'S NOT GOING TO SIT THERE WITH EQUIPMENT, NOT ABLE TO TAKE A CALL AND THEN BE LIABLE BECAUSE HE'S SITTING THERE WITH EQUIPMENT BUT NOBODY TO RUN IT. UM, OR HAVE SOMEONE TAKE IT OUT THAT'S MAYBE NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT QUALIFIED, BUT THINKS A GOOD SAMARITAN LAW'S GONNA COVER THEM FOR THAT. SO, UM, I DON'T, I I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASSETS THERE BECAUSE CHESTER GAP OWNS THEM IS MY UNDERSTANDING. BUT THE FUNDING WOULD JUST BE SHIFTED TO, UM, FLINT HILL, WHICH THEY FEEL THEY'RE, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEERS ARE THERE. AND THEY WOULD HAVE ONE PAID PERSON, WHICH I THINK WE ALL KNOW VOLUNTEERS ARE WONDERFUL, BUT THEY'RE NOT THERE 24 7 BECAUSE THEY USUALLY HAVE OTHER JOBS. YES. AND THEY'RE THERE WHEN THEY CAN BE. YEAH, I NOT NECESSARILY WHEN YOU NEED 'EM TO BE, I WAS TRYING TO DECIPHER, I THINK SUPERVISOR CARTER WAS SAYING THAT WE'RE COMMITTING THE $45,000 IN FUNDING, BUT WE DON'T KNOW IF THEY'RE GONNA TERMINATE AND MOVE THE PROGRAM IN APRIL. ARE YOU OUT, ARE YOU BEHOLDEN TO THAT 45,000 IF THEY SHIFT THE PROVIDERS TO, TO FLINT HILL? I WASN'T PART OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS. SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. SO, AND THAT SO WAS SOMETHING I JUST LEARNED ABOUT MYSELF TODAY. THAT WAS NOT PART OF THE CONVERSATION. MY UNDERSTANDING WAS THAT SHE FELT SHE HAD, UM, THE VOTES THAT IF WE PASS THIS TODAY, THAT WE WOULD BE IN A MUTUAL AGREEMENT FOR THREE MONTHS TO DEAL WITH THIS. SO DOES THEIR FISCAL YEAR RUN THE SAME AS YOUR OURS? DO THEY REDO THEIR BUDGET START AGAIN IN JULY? I MEAN, IT WOULD, I MEAN THAT, I THINK ALL COUNT GUARANTEE, BUT IF THEY'RE YEAH. GONNA [01:05:01] MAKE A CHANGE, IT LOOK LIKE THEY WOULD DO IT IN JULY AS WELL. UM, WELL THEY, THE MEMO THAT WE GOT, BUT VERY RECENTLY, UH, YOU HAVE IT THERE SOMEWHERE. MM-HMM . I READ IT. OKAY. I JUST READ IT. IT'S NO GUARANTEE, BUT I, NO, I THINK THEY WOULD DO THE CHANGE. WELL, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY WOULD DO THE CHANGE, BUT LIKE, JUST LIKE WHAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW IS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO JULY ONE, AND THAT'S WHAT THEY WANNA HAVE SOME IDEA WHERE WE STAND SO THEY CAN ACT ACCORDINGLY. MM-HMM . WHAT I WOULD TEND TO DO WOULD, OR WHAT I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS DOING IS, UH, ALLOCATE 15,100. THAT WOULD BE FOR THE MONTH OF APRIL. AND THEN HAVE THIS MEETING, HAVE THE, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY DIDN'T, THEY SET A REGULAR MEETING IN, UH, APRIL. SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE HAVE PUT THIS ON THE AGENDA AGAIN, UM, FOR THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL. 'CAUSE I'M SURE A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME OUT AND ADDRESS THIS ISSUE. UH, SO THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THINK I WOULD SUGGEST AT THIS POINT. UM, IS, IS ONE MONTH LONG ENOUGH TO GET US TO THE SECOND MEETING IN APRIL? IT SHOULD BE. THEY SAID THE, WELL, THEY SAID THE, UH, A, THE REGULAR MEETING IN APRIL WE HAD TOO. SO I WOULD DO IT THE SECOND MEETING AND THEN THAT GIVES US TIME TO HEAR FROM THE CHIEF AND ASK OTHER QUESTIONS AND HEAR ADDITIONAL STUFF. UH, AGAIN, I MEAN, THEY GAVE US THIS DEADLINE OF THE FOURTH, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO, AND WE HADN'T TALKED TO THE CHIEF AND, AND STUFF LIKE THAT. SO TO ME IT SEEMS LIKE IT WAS REALLY BEING PUSHED, UH, YOU KNOW, KINDA LIKE, YOU KNOW, UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THEY WANNA KNOW, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS YEAR WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD GO AHEAD AND ALLOT TO, UH, THE 15,100 THAT WOULD GIVE US THROUGH APRIL. THAT WOULD GIVE US TIME TO RECONSIDER AND LOOK AT AND, AND MAYBE COME UP WITH SOME OTHER OPTION. MAY I ASK A QUESTION? WHAT? THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCE TO THE MATRIX STAFFING STUDY AND, AND WE'VE TAKEN THE TIME AND, AND SPENT THE MONEY TO DO THIS TYPE OF STUDY. UM, SO IT'S MY EXPECTATION THAT I WOULD RELY ON IT IF IT'S ACCEPTED BY YOU. IF, IF, IF YOUR COUNSEL OR WHATEVER YOU CALLED IT, UM, FIRE CHIEF'S COUNSEL, WHAT IS THE DATE AT WHICH YOU ACCEPT THIS STUDY AS, AS VALID? UM, IS THAT WHAT IT IS? SO, SO MARCH 18TH, WE'LL RECONVENE OUR FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF. UH, WE'LL VOTE TO APPROVE THE STUDY AS WELL AS SUPPORT THE RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, THEN WHAT WE WILL DO IS WE WILL BE ASKING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ADOPT RESOLUTION TO RECOGNIZE THE RECOMMENDATIONS AND DIRECT THE DEPARTMENT TO DEVELOP A STRATEGIC PLAN ON HOW TO ACHIEVE THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS. UH, THAT STUDY ULTIMATELY CALLS FOR HIRING OF 66 FULL-TIME STAFF POSITIONS TO PROVIDE DEDICATED FIRE ENGINE STAFFING. WE KNOW THAT THAT IS A EXTRAORDINARY ASK, AND IT WILL TAKE SOME PLANNING AND, UH, REALLY SOME STRATEGIC PLANNING ON HOW TO MEET THAT. UH, WITH THAT, THE CONSULTANT STUDY, I WILL SAY HAS IDENTIFIED AT OUR REQUEST TO SPECIFICALLY LOOK AT THE CHESTER GAP RESPONSE AREA, UH, TO LOOK AT IT IN A RESPONSE CLASSIFICATION AND HOW THAT COMPARES TO, UH, OTHER GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATIONS. UH, MATRIX HAS IDENTIFIED THAT WE CAN PROVIDE AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE UTILIZING THE DUAL RESPONSE PROGRAM FROM THE FRONT ROYAL STATION IF THE BOARD IS OKAY WITH THAT RESPONSE TIME. SO ULTIMATELY, AS WE DISCUSSED KIND OF AT THE FIRE CHIEF'S ADVISORY STAFF, THE BOARD HAS TO MAKE THE DECISION, IS IT ACCEPTABLE RESPONSE FOR FRONT ROYAL TO PROVIDE A SERVICE HERE, LINDEN, TO PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO THE TOP OF FRIESLAND ROAD? IF THAT ANSWER IS NO, THAT A 10 MINUTE RESPONSE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO START LOOKING AT BUILDING FIRE STATIONS OR, UH, BOLSTERING STAFFING, ET CETERA. SO, BUT AS I'VE READ THE STUDY, I MEAN THE, THE, THE, THERE'S A SIX AND A HALF MINUTE, WHICH APPLIES TO A CERTAIN PART OF THE COUNTY AND A 10 MINUTE BASED ON A RURAL, AND THAT'S, I MEAN, WE JUST WENT THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND THAT IS WHAT THEY CAME UP WITH. AND THAT IS RELATED TO SOME SORT OF STANDARDS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT, SIR. YEAH. UM, SO IT IS JUST DIFFICULT TO, FOR ONE THING, YOU HAVEN'T ACCEPTED THE STUDY. SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE BEING KIND OF GIVEN A, A RED LINE OR, YOU KNOW, LINE IN THE SAND BY A NEIGHBORING JURISDICTION IS TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY OR ELSE. AND, UH, BUT WE'VE IN OUR OWN PROCESS ARE GOING THROUGH THIS EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME AND PROFESSIONAL APPROACH TO THE WHOLE THING, ANALYTICAL DATA DRIVEN. [01:10:01] I EXPECT IT, IT IS MY EXPECTATION THAT I WOULD HEAVILY RELY ON THAT AND CHIEF AND ASSISTANT CHIEF RECOMMENDATIONS THAT THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN UNTIL MARCH 18TH SOUNDS LIKE. SO, UM, AND IT'S REALLY NOT A SHORT TERM, I THINK BECAUSE THIS SAYS, UM, COMMIT NOW TODAY, UH, TO MAKING A DECISION ON THE THIR ON THE THIRD. UM, AND THEN, OKAY. ACTUALLY THE FIFTH, THE PART TWO IS FAILS TO COMMIT AT THE REGULAR MEETING TO THE MUTUALLY AGREED TO TERMS STUDENT IMPLEMENT, UH, CHANCE GAP OPERATIONS. OKAY. UM, SO IT JUST SEEMS LIKE THE TIMING IS OFF. WE'RE, WE'RE BEING ASKED TO MAKE A DECISION WITHOUT, BUT YET WE KEEP, THERE'S A LOT OF REFERENCES TO THE MATRIX STAFFING STUDY. I'VE READ THE, THE, THE, THE, UH, THE STUDY AND SAW THE PRESENTATIONS AND HAVE TALKED TO BOTH OF YOU. SO, UM, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE, IT HAS A FEELING OF KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD OR LET'S, UH, LET'S JUST DO IT ANOTHER MONTH OR TWO AND GET SOME MORE IDEAS OR TALK TO THE CHIEF A LITTLE MORE OR WHATEVER. UM, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S A, A STALLING GOING ON. UM, AND THERE'S A PRESSURE, UM, CAMPAIGN, SO WE COULD JUST TAKE IT DOWN THE ROAD A MONTH OR TWO MONTHS AND, AND, UM, IT DOES SEEM RATIONAL THAT THE MATRIX STAFFING STUDY WOULD BE A, AN ACCEPTED STUDY BY OUR PROFESSIONAL FIRE STAFF BEFORE WE ARE MAKING DECISIONS ON IT. UM, BUT IT IS ON THE TABLE. AND I, I WONDER REALLY FRANKLY, WHAT THE EXPECTATION OR LIKELIHOOD IS THAT, THAT DURING BETWEEN NOW AND MARCH 18TH, THE, THE, OUR, OUR PROFESSIONAL FIRE STAFF SAYS, NO, DOES THIS STUDY'S GOT IT ALL WRONG, OR, OR IT'S GOT A LITTLE BIT WRONG, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO CHANGE THIS. I MEAN, UM, THAT DOESN'T SEEM LIKELY. UM, BUT YET WE DON'T KNOW. 'CAUSE IT'S NOT MARCH 18TH YET. SO, UM, UNFORTUNATELY THAT THAT'S, THAT IS A, A TIME MISMATCH. UM, SO I'M HESITANT TO KICK THE CAN DOWN ROAD. UH, BUT, BUT A MONTH, WHAT IS THIS FE MARCH 3RD? YEAH, A ONE MONTH GETS US PAST MARCH 18TH. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY'RE, THAT'S NOT WHAT THEIR ULTIMATUM SAYS. THEIR ULTIMATUM SAYS THAT YOU APPROVE A THREE MONTH OR ELSE WE'RE OUT. SO, AND, AND THE THING I'D LIKE TO NOTE IS THAT I'VE HEARD IN ONE-ON-ONE AND IN PUBLIC REPEATEDLY THAT THE COVERAGE FALLS WITH THE, THE, THE COVERAGE THAT WILL BE MAINTAINED UNDER THE, UNDER THE RECOMMENDATION IS RATIONAL. UM, JERRY? YES. FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. UM, TO YOUR POINT, UM, I, I SEE A GENTLEMAN BACK HERE WITH A FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE, UM, UH, JOB SHIRT. AND I, AND I SAY THAT TO YOU BECAUSE I WANNA MAKE A REFERENCE. WHAT IS YOUR COMFORT LEVEL? SO IS THIS GOING TO BE A PERFECT SOLUTION REGARDLESS? ABSOLUTELY NOT. BUT GIVEN THE COMPETING INTEREST OF THIS INDUSTRY AND SPECIFICALLY OF THIS COUNTY, IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN NOT. I, I MEAN, DO I WANNA TAKE FUNDING FROM ANY JURISDICTION? I USE MYSELF AS AN EXAMPLE. I'M IN BROWNTOWN. THE SUBSTATION IS A MILE AND SEVEN 10TH FROM MY HOME. I WOULD LOVE TO STAFF IT. BUT GUESS WHAT? GIVEN THE COMPETING INTERESTS OF THIS COUNTY, THE FUNDING MECHANISMS OR THE LACK THEREOF WE'RE SET TO MAKE DECISIONS ON PRIORITY WITH THE CALL PRESSURES. AND THEREIN LIES WHAT WE USE THAT METRIC. THAT HAS BEEN THE METRIC WE'VE USED FROM THE BEGINNING. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE USING TODAY. I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THE STUDY TO VALIDATE THAT. I DO LIKE THE WAY THEY LOOK AT IT AND THE LEVEL OF OBJECTIVITY, THE FILTER THEY USE IN THE PHASED APPROACH. IT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, BUT IT'S EMPIRICAL IN NATURE. IT'S DATA DRIVEN. IT'S NOT AN EMOTIONAL DOCUMENT. SO IS SOME GUN SOMEBODY GONNA BE UPSET? ABSOLUTELY. IS SOMEBODY GONNA SAY IT'S A PERFECT SOLUTION? NO, THIS IS A STATIC SITUATION. SO, AND THE REASON I USE THE GENTLEMAN WITH THE, UH, JOB SHERIFF IN FAIRFAX COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE IS I COME FROM A VERY WEALTHY DEPARTMENT. WE WEREN'T ALWAYS WEALTHY, NOR WERE THEY A HUNDRED YEARS AGO. WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING. SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE DECISIONS. THE DISTINCTION IS WHAT IS YOUR COMFORT LEVEL? IS WHAT'S THE COMFORT LEVEL WITH THIS BOARD? I MEAN, DO YOU WANT A SIX MINUTE RESPONSE TIME WITHIN THE 216 SQUARE MILES? COULD BE. 'CAUSE I CAN TELL YOU, YOU BETTER HIRE THAT 66 PEOPLE AND THEN SOME WE'RE NOT THERE. WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP. AND, UM, THE RESILIENCY IN NORTHERN VIRGINIA COMPARATIVELY OUT HERE IS IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPLES AND ORANGES. SO WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY IS, IS THIS SOLUTION PERFECT IN THE SENSE OF THE COMMUNITY? AND I'M, AND GOD BLESS, I'M A COMMUNITY MEMBER. I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO STAFF EVERYTHING. AND THEN SOME, FRANKLY, WE'RE DOING THE BEST GIVEN THE UTILITARIAN [01:15:01] PERSPECTIVE. WE HAVE, UH, WE HAVE FINITE RESOURCES, WE HAVE FINITE STAFF. IT'S UNSAFE ON ANYBODY'S WATCH. IT'S A STATIC SITUATION. WHEN THOSE TWO UNITS GO OUT THAT FIREHOUSE TOMORROW OR TODAY, IT'S A STATIC SITUATION, GUESS WHAT? THE, THE COMMUNITY ASSETS, THE MUTUAL AID ASSETS, THE NEXT DISTRICTS DO ARE GONNA FILL THAT VACANCY BECAUSE THAT'S HOW WE OPERATE. AND WE DO NOT HAVE AN ALTERNATIVE, ABSENT NOT GETTING OUT THE DOOR. SO THESE ARE ALL VARIABLES IN THIS STUDY, BUT AT NO TIME IS THERE ANY ANECDOTE OF AN OPINION? I'M TRYING TO BACK OUT OF THAT CONVERSATION. MS. KOHLERS AND I HAVE HAD NUMEROUS CONVERSATIONS, NOT JUST ABOUT THE CHESTER GAP COMMUNITY, BUT THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY, WHICH I LIVE IN. I'D LOVE TO STAFF THAT FIREHOUSE. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE DON'T HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. WE DON'T HAVE THE FINANCES, WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE WE DON'T HAVE. AND THAT'S THE REALITY. SO WHAT WE DO TO CHIEF TCA'S POINT IS WE STAFF THE DISTRICTS ARE THE BUSIEST, HENCE KEEPING THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO BE AND ALLOW THE OTHER ENTITIES, IF YOU WILL, DISTRICTS TO BE COVERED BY THE COMPANIES THAT ARE THERE, ALBEIT IMPERFECT. THE OTHER THING I MUST TELL YOU THAT I'VE NEVER HEARD OF UNTIL I CAME HERE IS UNDERWRITING THE COST OF ANOTHER JURISDICTION. I, I DON'T THINK WE EVER TRIP OVER A JURISDICTIONAL LINE. IF THEY ASK, WE'RE GOING, CONVERSELY, I HOPE THEY DO THE SAME. BUT FOR US TO UNDERWRITE THE COSTS WHEN WE DON'T HAVE FOOD ON THE TABLE WITHIN OUR OWN JURISDICTIONAL BOUNDARIES, TO ME IS BEFUDDLING TO SAY THE LEAST. AND I SAY THAT TO YOU RESPECTFULLY. 'CAUSE AS MUCH AS I DON'T KNOW WHERE THIS $45,000 IS GONNA COME FROM, BUT I HOPE IT'S NOT COMING FROM OUR BUDGET 'CAUSE WE'RE BROKE. I'M GONNA GET BEFORE YOU ON FRIDAY, I'M GONNA ASK YOU FOR 12 POSITIONS, A HOST OF FIRE TRUCKS. AND I KNOW I'M GONNA HEAR NO A LOT. HOWEVER, I HOPE THERE IS SOME REASON AND KNOW THERE'S GONNA BE SOME INCREMENTAL MARGIN. WE NEED, WE'RE TRYING TO MOVE THE NEEDLE. AND RESPECTFULLY, THANK YOU. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL BEEN VERY GOOD ABOUT THAT. AND I UNDERSTAND OTHER DEPARTMENTS HAVE NEEDS. I RESPECT THAT IT'S MY JOB AND MY OBLIGATION TO GIVE YOU THE PERFORMANCE METRICS AND THE DATA THAT ACTUALLY DRIVES OUR DECISION PROCESS. AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU. NO, I THANK THE WORLD OF YOU, BUT YOU AND I CAN NEVER MEET ON THIS ONE. . WE JUST, WE JUST WON'T. AND I, AND I CAN'T TAKE THE EMOTION OUT OF IT. UM, BUT I DON'T MAKE THE DECISION EMOTIONALLY. UM, AND I'M NOT THE NUMBERS PERSON. YOU GUYS ARE. I SEE THE NUMBERS AND UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS. I LOOK, I GUESS IT'S THE NURSE IN ME. I LOOK AT THE HUMAN COMPONENT OF IT AND, UM, REFRESH MY MEMORY ON HOW MUCH TO HIRE SOMEONE, TRAIN THEM THEIR SALARY BENEFITS AND TO OUTFIT THEM. I THINK IT, I I CAN ANSWER THAT A LOT. YEAH. ABOUT 180. AND I SAY THAT TO YOU, YOU KNOW? YES. SO IT'S, IT'S ABOUT A HUNDRED GRAND. I MEAN, FOR US AND FOR US TO LOSE 'EM, IT'S EVEN MORE SO. ABSOLUTELY. THE MEN AND THE WOMEN IN THE BACK, AND I, I'LL SAY THIS TO ANYBODY, THE GENTLEMAN WEARING THE JOB SHIRT, THEY CAN LEAVE HERE AND MAKE 40, 50 CENTS ON THE DOLLAR ALL DAY LONG. NO LONGER ARE THEY TRAVELING INSIDE THE BELTWAY. THEY'RE TRAVELING TO F**K HERE. THEY'RE TRAVELING THE LOUDON, THEY'RE GOING TO FREDERICK. WELL, I KNOW. SO MY POINT IS, IS I NEED TO TELL, AND I SAY THIS TO YOU RESPECTFULLY AND ALL DUE RESPECT, WE NEED TO GIVE THEM EVERY REASON WHY THEY NEED TO STAY. AND I AGREE WITH THAT. SO PART OF THAT IS TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE SAFE AND ACCOUNTABLE STAFFING, EMERGENCY STAFFING. AND AS I SAID THE OTHER NIGHT, MS. CALLERS, IN ALL DUE RESPECT, WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO BEING THERE. SO THIS IS A HUGE STEP. YEAH. AND YOU KNOW, BUT THE BANG FOR THE BUCK OF, AND I DO UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS A, A NEW THING. COVID BROUGHT ABOUT A WHOLE LOT OF RETHINKING RESOURCES AND FUNDING AND, AND ALL OF THAT. UM, AND THE ONE THING THAT I LEARNED THROUGH THE CERTIFIED SUPERVISOR COURSE I TOOK WAS REGIONAL, STATE, FEDERAL. THEY'RE ALL WANTING. SO I LOOKED AT THIS AS A REGIONAL OPPORTUNITY. UM, YEP. IT'S OUT OF THE BOX, THAT'S FOR SURE. BUT IT WORKED. AND, UM, THE, FOR THE AMOUNT THAT IT COST US TO GET THAT 24 HOURS SERVICE, BECAUSE LET'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU GOT FOUR PEOPLE OVER THERE, TWO CALLS DEPLETES IT MM-HMM . AND THEN YOU'RE PULLING IN FROM WHEREVER ELSE, WHICH EXTENDS YOUR RESPONSE TIME. OR IF A FIRE AND THEY ALL JUMP ON THE TRUCK AND THEY GO, WELL, FOR THE FIRE, THEN YOU'RE, YOU'RE DEPLETED. SO HAVING THAT RESOURCE CLOSE ENOUGH, BECAUSE LET'S SAY IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU PULL FOUR AND ONE AND THEY'RE OUT, OR THE DAYS THAT EVERYBODY IS OUT ON SOMETHING, HAVING THAT EXTRA RESOURCE, IT'S, IT'S WORTH IT. AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, UM, AND GOING BACK, YEP, WE PUT A [01:20:01] LOT OF MONEY IN THE STUDY AND I DON'T DISAGREE THAT WE ALL AGREED IT, YOU KNOW, WE DO THE STUDY, WE SHOULD DO THE STUDY AND NOT STICK IT UP ON THE SHELF. AND I'M NOT TRYING TO, TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE HERE, BUT IN ORDER TO DEFEND MY POSITION AND, AND ON THIS, THE STUDY THAT WE DID PRIOR, THE SPRINGSTEEN STUDY SAID THAT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO CLOSE AND MERGE WHEN WE BUILT A NEW FIRE STATION, WE DIDN'T DO IT. AND SO THAT WAS A DECISION OF OVERRIDING THE STUDY. THAT WAS IN 2009, CORRECT, JERRY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT SOMEWHERE IN THAT. SO I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, THE STUDIES ARE, ARE GOOD TO AN EXTENT, BUT THERE'S, THERE'S ALWAYS THAT GRAY AREA OF WHERE YOU HAVE TO TWEAK IT. AND, AND FOR THIS, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M ASKING THREE MONTHS AND I'M NOT CALLING IT KICKING THE CAN. I'M CALLING IT, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE THIS OUT SO THAT WE STILL HAVE THE BENEFIT OF THAT SERVICE. BECAUSE IF THEY MOVE THE FUNDING AND CHESTER GAP HAS TO SHUT OFF, WE'RE GONNA MISS THAT SERVICE. I MEAN, WE, WE ALL KNOW WE ARE GONNA MISS THAT SERVICE. SO I JUST, I I I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S, WE HAVE GOT TO DO THE BEST THAT WE CAN FOR THE COMMUNITIES THEY SERVE, WHETHER IT'S AN OUT OF THE BOX THINKING OR NOT. AND JUST GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY TO FIGURE THAT OUT. BECAUSE NONE OF US, I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD HEAR CHESTER GAP SAY, I'M GONNA GIVE UP MY EMS LICENSE. SO HAVE WE LOOKED AT WHAT THAT IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE FOR OUR SIDE, THE BENEFITS AND SO FORTH? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE FINANCIAL IMPLICATIONS OF THAT? WELL, OR ALL OF IT IN ITS ENTIRETY? NO, MA'AM. IT'S THE FIRST I'VE HEARD OF IT HOW ANY OF THAT WOULD WORK. BUT EVEN THAT SAID, OKAY, EVEN IN THE PERFECT WORLD, UM, IF I'M YOUR FIRE CHIEF, YOUR RESOURCES AREN'T GONNA GO UP THERE. IF YOU'RE GONNA TELL ME THAT I HAVE TO DEFINE PRIORITY WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHIC BOUNDARIES, THEN IF, FOR EXAMPLE, I'M NOT PEOPLE LIKE FRONT WORLD, JERRY LIVES IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL FOR CHRIST, WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY RIGHT NOW IS IT'S NOT ABOUT MY DECISION. I'M TRYING TO DO THE BEST GOOD I CAN WITH THE RESOURCES GIVEN. SO FOR ME TO UNDERWRITE THE COST OF THAT AND DO IT CORRECTLY AND NOT AS SUBCONTRACTORS. 'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S THE RIGHT WAY TO DO BUSINESS. BUT THAT BEING SAID, HAVE TO BE A SUB. THAT BEING SAID, WE DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. AND, AND IF I'M GOING TO DEFINE PRIORITY, THE PRIORITY IS NOT GONNA CHANGE. I HAVEN'T VACILLATED ON THE POSITION BASED ON MY OPINION. I'M DOING SO BASED ON THE PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT WE'VE MEASURED. AND UNTIL I HAVE THE BODIES VIS-A-VIS FAIRFAX COUNTY OR ARLINGTON COUNTY OR PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY OR FALK GEAR, I CAN'T THROW RESOURCES AT IT. SO WE GET ONE REALLY GOOD INCIDENT, TO YOUR POINT, IN THIS COUNTY, THIS COUNTY'S DEPLETED. SO THERE WAS NO CAPACITY OR RESILIENCY FOR THE SECOND CALL. SO FOR ME TO COMMIT RESOURCES TO A MUTUAL AID ENTITY DOES NOT, IT'S NOT A LOGICAL POSITION. AND THAT'S WHAT THIS COMES DOWN TO. I MEAN, FRANKLY, I'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO STAFF THE WORLD AND BUILD A FIREHOUSE, BUT FRANK, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN ANYTIME SOON. SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO THE BEST WE CAN GIVEN THE LIMITED RESOURCES. THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. I, I WOULD AGREE THAT TO A POINT THAT OBVIOUSLY THE STUDY SAYS OVERALL 66 PEOPLE. OH, AND, UH, I GUARANTEE AT TIMES YOU COULD USE THEM. BUT THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF IT IS, IS THAT I COULDN'T LEGALLY RAISE TAXES ENOUGH TO HIRE 66 BILL. AMEN. AND I REALIZE THAT THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR 66 PEOPLE, SIR. YEAH. SO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT WE CAN GET 12. WE'RE GONNA TRY, OR I'M GONNA TRY, I DON'T, I'LL, YOU KNOW, MEET WITH DR. MARTIN. HE INDICATED THAT BUDGET'S A PIE AND WE GOTTA PUT A PIECE OUT AND I, I WANT EVERYBODY GET THEIR FAIR SHARE, BUT OH, I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO SUPPORTING THIS FOR THE THREE MONTHS. AND THEN WHEN EVERYBODY STARTS THEIR FISCAL YEAR OVER IN JULY, THEN YOU CAN FAIRLY SAY, HEY HAN COUNTY, OH, WE EITHER A, WE'RE GONNA PUT FUNDS TO YOU, BUT THEY GOTTA BE IN CHESTER GAP. OR IF WE'RE NOT INTEREST, OR MAYBE CHESTER GAP TELLS US WE DON'T EVEN WANT TO FUND OUR HALF OF IT, WE'RE PULLING BACK TO FLINT HILL. AND THEN WE COULD SAY, OR MAYBE WE'LL CHANGE OUR MIND AND SAY, HEY, WE, WE'VE LOOKED AT THE STUDY, WE CAN COMPLETE THIS MUCH OF IT AND FEEL PRETTY GOOD ABOUT NOT NEEDING CHESTER GAP. BUT FOR WHAT WE CAN DO TODAY, YOU CAN'T HIRE 12 TODAY. CAN'T HIRE 66 THIS YEAR. BUT WE COULD HAVE, IN OTHER WORDS, YOU'RE GETTING A CREW STAFFED FOR A PORTION OF THE COST. NOBODY'S EVEN SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE TRUCK. OH, I DON'T KNOW WHO'S PAYING FOR THE TRUCK UP THERE, BUT, OH, SO FOR THE STAFFING FOR TODAY, A MONTH OR THREE MONTHS, I WOULD DEFINITELY, I'LL LIKE TO SEE THAT DONE. [01:25:01] 'CAUSE THAT IT GIVES US SOME PROTECTION TODAY. BUT WHEN THAT FISCAL YEAR STARTS OVER IN JULY, ONCE WE LOOK, CAN WE GET YOU THREE, CAN WE GET YOU SIX OR CAN WE GET YOU ALL 12? THEN ONCE WE KNOW THAT NUMBER, THEN WE COULD FAIRLY SAY, HEY, OUR MONEY'S BETTER SPENT HERE. 'CAUSE WE'VE GOT A WAY OF COVERING IT WITHOUT NEEDING CHESTER GAP. OR WE EVALUATE IT IN DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR. YOU KNOW, FOR THE, IN OTHER WORDS, FOR THE NUMBER ME AND YOU HAD TALKED BEFORE THAT YOU HAD SAID WITH THE MONEY THAT WASN'T GOING TO CHESTER GAP, YOU COULD HIRE I THINK THREE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ONE TIME, AND I THINK CHESTER GAP ANSWERED, WAS IT 400 AND SOME CALLS? I'M TERRIBLE WITH REMEMBERING NUMBERS. SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND 500. I HAD ASKED YOU, WILL THOSE THREE HIRES COVER THAT 400 AND SOME CALLS? YOU SAID, NO, SIR. ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT ALL YOU NEED MORE PEOPLE AND YOU DON'T HAVE 'EM YET. BUT I THINK FOR THREE MONTHS, UNTIL WE TRULY SEE WHAT OUR BUDGET IS FOR THE NEXT FISCAL CYCLE, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AN UNFAIR STATEMENT TO USE THEM FOR A MONTH OR THREE MONTHS. UH, OBVIOUSLY I WOULDN'T WANNA FUND 'EM FOR THREE MONTHS AND THEY PULL SERVICES BACK TO FLINT HILL. I MEAN, THAT COULD BE COMPLETELY UNFAIR. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THEIR INTENTION, UH, EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT CLEARLY DEFINED. SO I MEAN, FROM MY STANDPOINT, I WOULD SUPPORT A MONTH OR THREE MONTHS TILL WE GET CLARITY ON THAT. UH, AND THEN THAT WOULD PUT US IN A, IT WOULD PUT BOTH COUNTIES AT THEIR TRUE BUDGET CYCLE TO MAKE A TRULY A YEAR DECISION RATHER THAN SUCH A SHORT ONE FOR A MONTH. I, I DON'T THINK THAT WOULD, UH, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR THE COUNTY TODAY. 'CAUSE THAT STUDY'S NOT COMPLETELY, YOU'VE NOT AGREED TO IT YET. I THINK YOU WILL. I THINK WE ALL WILL. BUT THEN I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH OF THAT STUDY WE CAN MANDATE IN JULY. SO THIS MAY BE A WAY TO CRUT US UNTIL WE CAN GET YOU THOSE TRUCKS AND TO GET YOU THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE, WOULD BE MY REASON FOR SUPPORTING THEM. THE ONLY THING IS IN THAT MEMO FROM RAPPA COUNTY, IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS FAIL IF WE FAIL TO COMMIT AT A REGULAR APRIL MEETING, THAT'S THE END OF THE AGREEMENT. SO THAT'S WHY I LEAN, LEANED TOWARDS JUST DOING ONE MONTH. MM-HMM . AND WE, WE CAN COUCH IT, WE CAN DO THREE MONTHS PREDICATED IT ON, WE DO THE OTHER ONE, GIVE THE FIRST MONTH. UH, JUST TRY TO MAKE THIS AS COMPLICATED AS POSSIBLE FOR ZACH TO KEEP TRACK OF. UH, BUT I MEAN, I THINK, LIKE I SAID, I, I WOULD BE OKAY TO DO THE THREE MONTHS IF WE GET AN AGREEMENT, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AGREEMENT. SO I WOULD LEAN TOWARDS JUST DOING THE ONE MONTH AND IT'S CONTINGENT AND WE'LL HAVE A BETTER IDEA COMING. UM, WELL, MY ONLY CONCERN WAS THE ONE MONTH, IT'S MARCH 3RD, THAT WOULD PUT IT AT APRIL 3RD. BUT OUR SECOND, I THINK, I THINK THIS DIDN'T YOU SAY THAT THE, IT'S GOOD THROUGH THE END OF MARCH. SO THIS WOULD TAKE CARE OF APRIL. YEAH. I BELIEVE HANOCK HAS COMMITTED THE A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING THROUGH MARCH. OKAY. AGAIN, WHAT WASN'T PART OF THAT CONVERSATION, BUT, SO THIS WOULD BE THE, THE THREE MONTH REQUEST IS FOR, UH, APRIL, MAY, AND JUNE. OKAY. WHICH WOULD CARRY US TO THE BUDGET YEAR. THE, SO THE, THE CHALLENGE IS, IS THEY WANT, YOU'LL COMMIT THE THREE MONTHS FUNDING, BUT WE WON'T HAVE A DEFINITIVE DECISION UNTIL THEY'RE APRIL DEADLINE. AND YOU'VE ALREADY COMMITTED THE THREE MONTHS OF FUNDING. SO, UM, IF I COULD, I THINK POINT OUT A, JUST SOME OF THE, THE PARSING, THE, THE LANGUAGE HERE. IT SAYS IF, IF WE FAIL TO COMMIT AT OUR MARCH 3RD MEETING TO EXTENDING THE FUNDING OF OUR SHARE OF THE FUNDING UNDER THE RECENTLY TERMINATED AGREEMENT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT A MONTH OR THREE MONTHS THERE. IT'S JUST COMMITTING TO, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU, UM, AND ALL DISRESPECT, SIR, TO YOUR POINT, I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS VIDEO THAT IS, UM, ON THE WEBSITE RIGHT NOW FOR THE PUBLIC. AND IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY EXPLICIT AND VERY TELLING. SO, UM, TO THAT END, IT, IT SPEAKS TO THAT LEVEL AND, UH, WHAT THE INTENT IS. AND, UH, I MEAN, I I JUST SAW IT MYSELF BEFORE I CAME HERE, SO IT'S, AND I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. WE'LL JUST DO THE MONTH. BUT MY POINT IS THAT MAYBE THAT'S NOT GOING TO MEET THEIR DEMAND. YOU CAN, YOU CAN DECIDE HERE TO DO A MONTH AND THEY CAN SAY, WELL, THEY DIDN'T DO DO WHAT WE SAID, SO WE'RE DONE. YEAH. WELL, AND CAN YOU, CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHAT THE YOUTUBE VIDEO SAID SINCE WE I HAVEN'T SEEN IT. NO, I'D RATHER NOT. YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN TAKE AWAY WELL, CAN WE WATCH IT ON THIS TV? I MEAN, IT'S QUEUED IF YOU WANNA SEE IT. I DO WANNA SEE IT. IT'S ABOUT 25 MINUTES. IT'S UP TO YOU. IS IT, IS IT RELEVANT TO ANYBODY? DOES DOES IT SAY, IS IT GOING TO MAKE THE LETTER SOUND DIFFERENT OR, I THINK I HAVEN'T SEEN IT, SO I DON'T, I THINK IT MORE VALIDATES THAT POSITION IS WHAT I WOULD SAY. I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT THEY'RE HAVING BUDGET ISSUES TOO, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO DOWNSIZE ON, THEY'RE MUCH MORE FULL, LESS POPULATION. SO WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US IS A THREE MONTHS IS, THIS IS [01:30:01] WHAT'S IN FRONT OF US TODAY, SUPPORT FOR THREE MONTHS. THIS DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THREE MONTHS. SO THEY'RE MAKING A DEMAND, UH, TO MEET OR FAIR SHARE OF THE FUNDING UNDER THE RECENTLY TERMINATED AGREEMENT. SO DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO FUND IT A HUNDRED PERCENT BY THEMSELVES, TELL THEM OR THEY, OR THEY CHOOSE NOT TO OR THEY DON'T HAVE IT. HOWEVER YOU WANNA LOOK AT IT. DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'LL, I'LL SIT DOWN AND IF WE'RE GONNA NOT THE VIDEO TOGETHER FOR THE, WE'VE SEEN THE VIDEO. ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. UH, UM, I THINK I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. ANYWAY, IT SAYS IN THAT MEMO DURING THEIR MEETING YESTERDAY, THE RAP COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS REVIEWED AN EMS STAFFING RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE AS WELL AS THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APRIL 3RD, 2026 MEETING. IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. I KNOW IT'S APRIL 7TH TOO, BY THE WAY. OH, OKAY. I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE THEY HAD A TIME MACHINE. I DON'T KNOW. BUT I, I, I THINK TO MOVE ON, I WOULD JUST AS WELL, UH, DO THE, UM, ONE MONTH AND THEN, AND THEN EXPLAIN TO 'EM, I GUESS WHEN YOU REPLIED THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE NOT TALKED WITH OUR, UH, FIRE DEPARTMENT'S BUDGET AND ALL THOSE THINGS AND YOU KNOW, IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE WILL ADDRESS IN THE, UH, SECOND MEETING OF, UH, IN APRIL AS FAR AS HOW WE MOVE FORWARD. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? I'M NOT OPPOSED, I'D LIKE TO SEE THE VIDEO IF EVERYONE'S OKAY WITH THAT. Y'ALL, Y'ALL ARE WELCOME TO WATCH THE VIDEO, BUT YOU ALSO HAVE A MEMO FROM THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR UPON WHICH I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO RELY, AND IT DOESN'T SAY THREE MONTHS, BUT IT'S UP TO THE BOARD WHAT Y'ALL WANT TO DO. ARE YOU PRESENTING THAT AS A MOTION? THE ONE MONTH YOU SAID THE MEMO WE JUST GOT SAYS THREE MONTHS. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT. IT DOES NOT SAY THAT. OKAY. I'M SORRY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT HE JUST SAID. TO EXTEND THE, THE, THE, UH, FUNDING. YEAH, I MEAN, I, I'LL READ IT. FAILS DIRECT RAPPAHANNOCK. THIS IS APPARENTLY THEIR MOTION DIRECT RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENT TO IMPLEMENT FLINT HILL VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY STATION STATION STAFFING THAT'S RECOMMENDED BY THE PUBLIC SAFETY COMMITTEE. AND I GUESS THAT MEANS MOVE IT OUT IF THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS FAILS TO RECOMMIT AT ITS MARCH 3RD, 2026 MEETING TO EXTEND FUNDING OF THEIR SHARE OF THE FUNDING UNDER THEIR RECENTLY TERMINATED AGREEMENT AND FAILS TO COMMIT AT THEIR REGULAR APRIL MEETING TO MUTUALLY AGREED UPON TERMS TO IMPLEMENT A NEW WARREN COUNTY RAPPA COUNTY AGREEMENT FOR CHESTER GAP OPERATION. SO THIS DOESN'T SAY COMMIT TO THREE MONTHS FUNDING OR WE LEAVE, IT SAYS COMMIT TO FUNDING THIS MONTH AND THEN COMMIT IN APRIL TO FUND, I WOULD ASSUME FOR A YEAR, WHICH IS WHAT THE MOST RECENT AGREEMENT DID. AND IF YOU HAVEN'T MADE UP YOUR MIND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA DO ON THE YEAR, THAT'S WHY I HAD THE SUGGESTION OF DOING THE MONTH. AND IF THEY DON'T LIKE THAT OR IF IT'S GONNA TAKE TOO LONG AT YOUR APRIL MEETING, YOU COULD DO ANOTHER MONTH, YOU KNOW, OR YOU CAN DO WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO. BUT I, YOU CAN TOTALLY WELCOME TO WATCH THE VIDEO. BUT AGAIN, I WOULD FEEL IT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR ONE LOCALITY FOR WARREN COUNTY TO RELY UPON A MEMORANDUM SENT TO WARREN COUNTY FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY'S, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. WELL, I, I WOULD BE FINE WITH ONE MONTH IN THAT WE JUST SPEED UP THE CONVERSATION AND BY THAT TIME THE MONTH HAS PASSED, TWO IMPORTANT THINGS WILL HAVE HAPPENED, WHICH WILL BE THAT THE CHIEFS WILL HAVE VOTED ON THE MATRIX STUDY AND THE CHIEF WILL HAVE PRESENTED HIS BUDGET TO US, WHICH BOTH ARE, I THINK, CRITICAL BITS OF INFORMATION THAT WE NEED TO MAKE A LONGER TERM DECISION. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ALLOCATE $15,100 TO THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT SECOND ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMISON? NO. MR. HENRY. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. [J. Board Reports] AND ON OUR AGENDA NEXT ARE BOARD REPORTS. MR. JAMESON? UH, I HAVE NO REPORT. ACTUALLY, I HAVE, I, I, I'LL, I'LL JUST REPORT THIS. I WAS AWAY FOR A WEEK. UH, TOTALLY UNPLUGGED, UH, FROM THE PROFESSIONAL LIFE AND THE SUPERVISOR LIFE FOR A 37TH ANNIVERSARY, UM, WEEK AWAY AND WAS, UM, BLESSED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. AND, UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NO REPORT. MR. HENRY. OH, I'D LIKE TO CONGRATULATE DR. JAMESON ON 37 YEARS. THAT'S A, THAT'S BEEN A MINUTE. OH. AND, UM, I REALLY HAVE NOTHING TO REPORT, UH, OTHER THAN I'LL BE EXCITED WHEN THE BUDGET [01:35:01] PROCESS IS OVER . MR. CARTER? UH, THE ONLY THING, UH, I GUESS IT, IT, IT TIES INTO WHAT THE ONE GENTLEMAN TALKED ABOUT TOO, AS FAR AS DRAWING WATER, ANOTHER LOCALITY, DRAWING WATER. I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN LOOK INTO THAT AS FAR AS IF THERE IS ANY, UH, FEES OR WHATEVER WE CAN COLLECT. AND ALONG THOSE SAME LINES IS, AND I KNOW WE'VE HAD THE ISSUE WITH, UH, HIGH TOP AND THEIR WELLS ISSUES AND THERE'S LIKE THAT THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. AND I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT, IF ANYTHING WE CAN DO SINCE A LOT OF THOSE LOTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN PLATTED OFF. UH, BUT I THINK WATER IS A, UH, UH, A HUGE ISSUE FOR A LOT OF LOCALITIES. AND YOU CAN JUST LOOK AT THE TOWN OF OUR WORLD. I THINK IN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS THEY'VE GONE TO EITHER, UH, UH, MANDATORY CONSERVATION OR VOLUNTARY CON CONSERVATION. AND I KNOW IT'S PROBABLY BEEN TALKED ABOUT IN THE PAST, UH, AS FAR AS POSSIBLY DOING A REGIONAL WATER AUTHORITY, BUT I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE NEED TO START LOOKING AT, UH, AT LEAST TO SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. 'CAUSE I KNOW OUR RESIDENTS ARE, ARE ASKING US FOR ASSISTANCE, BUT AGAIN, RIGHT NOW I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN REALLY DO, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AND EXHAUST ALL POSSIBILITIES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU MR. SANDMEYER. UM, MY ONLY ITEM IS THAT, UH, I WAS ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH OUR INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR RECENTLY FOR GOOD TWO, TWO AND A HALF HOURS AND JUST GO THROUGH EVERYTHING THAT'S UPCOMING AND, AND, UH, IN PROGRESS RIGHT NOW. AND, UH, FOUND, UM, THAT, UH, A HE'S REALLY GOT HIS HEAD AROUND A LOT IN A VERY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, WHICH IS IMPRESSIVE. UH, AND BII JUST THINK THERE'S A LOT OF OPPORTUNITY, UH, AHEAD. SO IT LEFT ME, UM, FEELING QUITE POSITIVE ABOUT OUR CURRENT SITUATION AND OUR, UH, FUTURE FOR OUR COUNTY. THANK YOU. UM, FEBRUARY 17TH, WE ALL WERE HERE FOR BUDGET. UM, ALSO THE CPMT MEETING, WHICH I'M A MEMBER OF, AND THAT'S, UH, CHILD SERVICES FOR THE CHILDREN IN THE COMMUNITY. FEBRUARY 18TH WENT TO THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, WHICH, UM, CONTINUES TO BE AN INTERESTING, UM, DISCUSSION OF THEIR NEEDS AND, UM, THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE. FEBRUARY 19TH, UM, DR. MARTIN AND I WERE AT THE ROTARY SCHOLARSHIP FUNDRAISER AT ANO, AND IT WAS A, A REALLY NICE EVENING THERE OF, UM, I THINK THEY HAD A GOAL OF $15,000 TO BE ABLE TO GIVE OUT $3,000 INCREMENT, UM, SCHOLARSHIPS TO SENIORS THIS YEAR. AND, UM, THEN I WENT TO FEBRUARY 24TH. THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR MEMBERS OF THE TOURISM COMMITTEE TO DO A TEAM BUILDING. UM, WE PAINTED BOWLS FOR THE EMPTY BOWL FUNDRAISER FOR THE HOUSE OF HOPE. AND THEN I CAME HERE FOR A BUDGET MEETING, UM, FEBRUARY 25TH. DR. MARTIN AND I, PEOPLE ARE GONNA START TALKING BECAUSE WE HAVE BEEN DOING A LOT OF THINGS TOGETHER LATELY. WE WERE INVITED TO GO TO WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL BY THE FFA. THEY WERE RECOGNIZING IT WAS, UM, FFA WEEK I BELIEVE. AND THEY WERE DOING A LOT OF REACH OUT AND COMMUNITY THINGS, SO THEY FIXED BREAKFAST FOR ALL THE TEACHERS AND INVITED US TO ATTEND. CAME HERE AFTER THAT FOR THE COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT MEETING. UM, THAT WAS A REALLY INTERESTING MEETING OF DIFFERENT BUSINESSES AND OPPORTUNITIES THAT ARE LOOKING TO COME HERE. ONE OF WHICH WE ALL WANT CHICK-FIL-A, HOPEFULLY. UM, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THAT. I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD NOW FOR SIX YEARS. WE CAN ONLY HOPE. UM, THEN WE HAD A JOINT COUNTY, UH, SCHOOL BOARD MEETING AFTER THAT AT HILL AS J BARBER AND LOOKED AROUND, UM, AT THE CEILING TILES TO WHERE THE ROOF IS LEAKING AND DISCUSSED OPTIONS ON, UM, PUTTING NEW ROOF ON WHETHER WE PUT SHINGLES THAT LAST MUCH LESS THAN A METAL ROOF, BUT METAL ROOF IS SO MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE. SO HARD DECISIONS TO MAKE. THEN WE WENT TO THE FIRE CHIEF'S MEETING WHERE WE DISCUSSED THE, UM, HAD A REALLY GOOD DISCUSSION THAT NIGHT WITH A LARGE GROUP OF OUR FIRE PROFESSIONALS AND THE CHIEFS OF ALL THE DIFFERENT COM, UH, VOLUNTEER STATIONS AND SO FORTH ON THE STUDY. AND FEBRUARY 27TH, I MET WITH HEIGHT KIDS. I'VE BEEN ELECTED ON THEIR BOARD FOR THAT AND TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITIES FOR, UM, OUTREACH FOR THE KIDS OF THE COMMUNITY. THAT NIGHT. I WENT TO THE WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOLS, FFA, BINGO. [01:40:01] I STILL HAVE BEEN NOT ABLE TO YELL BINGO FOR ANY OF THESE I GO TO, BUT IT'S A LOT OF FUN. FEBRUARY 28TH, THE CHURCH IN BENTONVILLE HAD, UM, THE KIDS PUT ON A SPAGHETTI DINNER FOR THE COMMUNITY, UM, TO GO TO CAMP OR WHATEVER IT IS THAT THEY DO. AND, UM, I HAVE TO SAY, THE WAITERS, THEY WERE DRESSED TO THE NINE. THE LITTLE MAN WHO SERVED US HAD A SUIT AND TIE ON AND IT WAS REALLY CUTE. UM, WENT FROM THERE TO THE WILD HAWKS SPORTS FUNDRAISER, UH, WHERE THEY RAISE MONEY TO GIVE THE REASON IT'S WILD HAWKS, THEY GIVE PART TO THE WILDCATS IN PART TO SKYLINE HAWKS, UM, BUDGET MEETING AGAIN ON MARCH 2ND. UM, AND I JUST WANTED TO LET PEOPLE KNOW THAT DR. PENCE AND I WILL BE HAVING A SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT COMMUNITY MEETING ON MARCH 15TH. THAT'S GONNA BE AT THE SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL CAFETERIA. AND IT'S GOING TO BE FROM TWO TO FOUR SO FAR. UM, THE COMMUNITY RESOURCES THAT WE HAVE INVITED INCLUDE FIRE AND RESCUE, THE HEARTS PROGRAM, WHICH IS THE, UM, THE SHELTER IN THE WINTER FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HOMELESS. REACHING OUT NOW WILL BE THERE TO REPRESENT THE STUDENT UNION I'VE REACHED OUT TO, UM, DSS WILL BE THERE. I HAVEN'T REACHED OUT TO NORTHWESTERN YET, BUT THEY'RE ON MY LIST TO DO SO. I'VE, UM, INVITED THE PHOENIX PROGRAM, THE WARREN COALITION, SO IN THE LIBRARY. SO WE'LL HAVE MULTIPLE AREAS WHERE YOU CAN COME IN AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WEREN'T AWARE OF, HOPEFULLY WE'VE GOT IT IN THE ROOM, UM, FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO WALK UP AND FIND OUT WHAT RESOURCES THERE ARE HERE AND, UM, MAYBE EVEN FIND OUT SOME VOLUNTEER OPPORTUNITIES IF YOU HAVE A FEW EXTRA MOMENTS IN YOUR LIFE THAT YOU WANNA, UM, VOLUNTEER. SO WE, THIS WILL BE OUR, MY FOURTH AND OUR THIRD, UH, COMBINATION WITH DR. PENCE. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO THAT. HOPEFULLY IT'LL BE BEAUTIFUL WEATHER AND PLENTY OF PEOPLE COME OUT TO DISCUSS WHAT'S GOING ON ON THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. AND THAT'S MY REPORT. DR. MARTIN. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIRMAN. SO I JUST WANNA GIVE AN UPDATE ON HOW THE BUDGET IS SHAPING UP. UH, THE SCHOOLS WILL PRESENT TOMORROW. UH, THE DEPARTMENT AND ORGANIZATIONS FINISH UP PRESENTATIONS ON FRIDAY. AS YOU KNOW, SATURDAY IS GONNA BE A VERY IMPORTANT DAY BECAUSE THAT WILL BE YOUR STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION AND YOU'LL BE SETTING PRIORITIES TO WHICH WE WILL THEN MATCH YOUR PRIORITIES WITH THE FUNDING REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE THUS FAR. I NEED TO SAY PUBLICLY THAT, UH, JANE AND ALYSSA HAVE BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN MAKING ME LOOK GOOD IN THIS BUDGET. THEY ARE EXTREMELY SPAR SMART. UH, WE'VE MET NUMBERS OF TIMES, UM, AND THEY HAVE REALLY HELPED ME ALONG THE WAY. UM, SO ALONG THIS WAY I'VE LOOKED FOR WAYS IN WHICH TO SHARE RESOURCES AND COOPERATE WITH OTHER ORGANIZATIONS WITH SOME OF THE NEEDS I'VE ALREADY, UH, BEEN BROUGHT TO OUR ATTENTION, ONE OF WHICH IS THE SCHOOLS. I THINK THERE'S SOME PARTNERING THAT WE CAN DO THERE, UM, AND EVEN WITHIN OUR OWN ORGANIZATION OF HOW WE CAN SHARE SOME RESOURCES AND CUT SOME THINGS OUT OF THE REQUESTED ITEMS IN THEIR BUDGETS. MORE ABOUT THAT LATER. BUT I WANNA SAY WHEN I PRESENT THIS BUDGET, IT'LL BE A SNAPSHOT, I THINK OF WHERE WE ARE NOW. I'M GONNA REVIEW PRIORITIES AND I'M GONNA IDENTIFY BUDGET STREAMS AND FROM LOTS OF DIFFERENT RESOURCES AND STREAMS THAT WE HAVE. UM, I WANNA REMIND EVERYBODY THAT THIS BUDGET, NO BUDGET HAS A LIFE OF ITS OWN. IT HAS TO BE A LIVING DOCUMENT THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. AND WE ARE PREPARING FOR A FUTURE THAT WE MAY NEVER SEE IN THIS COMMUNITY. SO SOME OF THE DECISIONS THAT YOU'RE GONNA MAKE ARE GONNA BE CRITICAL AS THIS COMMUNITY MOVES FORWARD. SO I OFTEN RELY ON A GREAT PHILOSOPHER WHO HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT WARREN COUNTY AND THE BUDGET. AND HER NAME IS DOLLY PARTON. ONE THING SHE SAYS IS, STORMS MAKE TREES TAKE DEEPER ROOTS. AND I HAVE CERTAINLY [01:45:01] HEARD ABOUT A LOT OF STORMS THAT HAVE OCCURRED IN WARREN COUNTY. I THINK YOU'RE TAKING DEEPER ROOTS. THE NEXT THING SHE SAYS, IF YOU DON'T LIKE THE ROAD, YOU'RE WALKING, START PAVING ANOTHER ONE. AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE OPPORTUNITIES TO PAVE MANY ROADS, I THINK, IN THIS BUDGET. BUT HERE IS MY FAVORITE. I'VE USED IT QUITE OFTEN. WE CANNOT DIRECT THE WIND, BUT WE CAN ADJUST THE SAILS. SO AS PART OF THIS BUDGET IS GONNA BE ADJUSTING OUR SAILS. SO I THINK THIS BUDGET, PROCESS AND DEVELOPMENT IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR WARREN COUNTY TO ADJUST THE SALES. AND, UH, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I LIKE BUDGETING. I THINK IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR US TO DREAM AND TO THINK ABOUT WHAT CAN BE AND HOW WE USE OUR RESOURCES. AND YES, MR. HENRY, IT'S A PIE AND WE GOTTA SLICE THE PIE. AND, UH, BUT THAT'S, I HOPE EVERYBODY IN WARREN COUNTY HAS A, THEIR HAND ON THE KNIFE TO SLICE THE PIE. SO WE COME TO CONSENSUS OF HOW IT'S GONNA WORK. THAT. THANK YOU MR. HAM. I HAVE NO REPORT. ALL RIGHT. IF THERE'S NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION TO ADJOURN THIS MEETING. SO SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AND CAN WE TAKE A, I WAS GONNA. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.