* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. AND WELCOME [00:00:01] TO THE BUDGET SESSION OF MARCH 5TH, 2026. MS. MOORE, YOU'RE FIRST. OKAY, IT OUR FIRST OFF, I LIKE TO ASK, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR ME? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY BUDGET, ABOUT WHAT WAS SUBMITTED BEFORE WE GET INTO ANY WEEDS? BECAUSE OVERALL, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE A LOT OF WEEDS TO GET INTO. I STAY PRETTY FLAT. THE ONLY THING I DID ASK FOR WAS THE ADDITIONAL POSITION IN MY OFFICE THAT WAS AWARDED BY THE COMP BOARD LAST YEAR, WHICH WE DID NOT FIND OUT ABOUT UNTIL MAY, AND BUDGETS WERE ALREADY DONE. SO I DID NOT BURDEN THE COUNTY WITH ASKING FOR THAT AT THAT TIME. BUT IT IS A POSITION THAT IS REIMBURSED, SO IT SHOULD BE A BODY IN THAT POSITION. UM, I HAVE RESTRUCTURED MY OFFICE SO THAT ALL OF THE COMP BOARD FUNDED POSITIONS DO HAVE A BODY ATTACHED TO THEM. HOWEVER, THERE WERE THREE COUNTY FUNDED POSITIONS AND I DO NOT WISH TO LOSE THAT BECAUSE OF THE AUTOMATIC SEAL BILL THAT WILL GO INTO EFFECT JULY ONE OF THIS YEAR. THAT'S GOING TO BRING A HUGE BURDEN TO EVERY CLERK'S OFFICE IN THE STATE, NOT EXCLUDING MINE. SO THE EXTRA WORKLOAD INVOLVED IN THAT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY, PRETTY HEAVY. IT'S GONNA BE A HEAVY LIFT. SO THIS IS A COMP BOARD FUNDED POSITION. WHAT, WHAT POSITION WOULD THEY BE, WHAT WOULD THEY BE DOING? JUST CURIOUS. THAT POSITION IS, WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR, BECAUSE OF THE SECURITY LEVEL THAT WILL BE INVOLVED WITHIN THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CEILING OF CERTAIN CASES AND THE AUTOMATIC EXPUNGEMENT SHOULD THAT BE GRANTED BY THE COURT. UM, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF PROCESSES, BECAUSE WE'RE A COURT OF PUBLIC RECORD, OUR RECORDS GO OUT TO MANY DIFFERENT ENTITIES AND THERE'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF, UH, I TO DO AND T'S TO CROSS WITH THAT AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THOSE RECORDS ARE IN FACT SEALED AND OR EXPUNGED. OKAY. THE PROCESS IS GONNA BE SIMILAR BUT A LOT DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S, IT INCORPORATES PEOPLE THAT WERE FOUND GUILTY BUT ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HAVE THEIR RECORDS SEALED. SO IT PUTS 'EM IN A DIFFERENT CATEGORY. IT'S NOT A RECORD WE CAN GET RID OF, BUT YET THE PUBLIC WON'T BE ABLE TO SEE THAT RECORD. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE TO BE KEPT OUT, OUT OF PUBLIC VIEW AS WELL, PHYSICALLY, ONLINE, ALL OF IT. SO IT'S QUITE AN UNDERTAKING. HMM. SOUNDS LIKE IT. YEAH. WAS IT THOUGH, BECAUSE YOU DIDN'T FILL IT LAST YEAR? IT IS DEFINITELY CONFIRMED THAT THE COMP BOARD WILL STILL REIMBURSED. WE'RE GETTING REIMBURSED FOR IT NOW. YOU SEE IT IN YOUR, THE MONTHLY REIMBURSEMENT THAT I COLLECT, THAT I FORWARD A COPY. YOU SAID, I JUST FORWARDED YOU GUYS A COPY TODAY. ACTUALLY, I JUST DID MY COIN BUDGET TODAY. YOU WILL SEE THAT THAT POSITION HAS ALREADY BEEN FUNDED AND HAS BEEN FUNDED SINCE JULY 1ST, 2026 OR 25 RATHER. I'M SORRY. SO THAT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN FUNDED. GOOD. THAT'S GREAT NEWS. OKAY. SO IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR ANYTHING MORE. WE'RE ASKING TO STAY WHERE WE ARE, JUST WITH THE ADDITIONAL HIRE. OKAY. YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE. I'M SORRY. YOU MAY BE THE ONLY ONE THAT'S NOT ASKING PERSON . WELL, I MEAN, I AM ASKING, BUT IT IS ONE THAT'S NOT GONNA BE AN ADDITIONAL BURDEN ON THE COUNTY ANY MORE SO THAN WHAT WE'VE, WHAT WE ALREADY ARE PER SE. WE LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY. WE DON'T WANNA EVER TAX THE COUNTY IF WE CAN AVOID IT. SO THAT'S, SINCE WE'RE ON THE CLERK OF COURT BUDGET, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? UM, WE WERE ABLE TO PROCURE COMPUTER EQUIPMENT, WHICH AS YOU CAN SEE THAT IS NOW IN A DEFICIT. 'CAUSE WE DON'T NEED THAT FUNDING THIS YEAR. THE SUPREME COURT, WE ARE ON A FIVE YEAR CYCLE WITH REPLACEMENT. AND I DIVIDE THAT INTO TWO FISCAL YEARS SO THAT IT'S NOT ONE BIG BURDEN AT ONE TIME. A LOT OF THAT MONEY IS REIMBURSABLE THROUGH THE COMP BOARD, THROUGH MY TECHNOLOGY TRUST FUND BUDGET. THAT IS A SEPARATE BUDGET FROM THE COIN BUDGET. UM, THEY FUND ANYTHING TECHNOLOGY DRIVEN AREAS IN THE OFFICE. AND THAT BUDGET FLUCTUATES EVERY YEAR DEPENDING ON WHAT WE DID IN LAND RECORDS THE YEAR BEFORE. SO WE NO LONGER NEED THAT. THOSE ARE THE LARGEST TICKET ITEMS I SEE. UM, LODGING YOU'LL SEE IS DOWN, BUT I INCORPORATED THAT INTO CONVENTIONS AND EDUCATION INSTEAD OF SPLITTING THAT OUT BECAUSE THE REASON FOR THE LODGING IS ARE THE CONVENTIONS AND THE EDUCATIONAL CLASSES THAT THEY ATTEND. SO IT'S KIND OF A FLOP. UM, YOU WILL SEE THAT. I'VE ASKED FOR COMPUTER AND PRINTER SUPPLIES. WE ARE TRYING TO GO BACK TO THE HARD CONCEALED CARRY CARD, CONCEALED HANDGUN [00:05:01] PERMIT CARD. THAT WAS EXTREMELY POPULAR. WE HAD A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH OUR OLD EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS WHY WE STOPPED USING THAT IN 2020. UM, WE HAVE HAD A LOT OF REQUESTS FOR THAT. IT DOES ENDURE A LOT MORE. WHAT WE DO NOW IS THE CARD STOCK WITH THE LAMINATED POUCH THAT WE PROVIDE AND WE LAMINATE THOSE FOR OUR CUSTOMERS. UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'VE HAD A LOT OF, A LOT OF INTEREST IN THAT. AND THAT WOULD COVER THE CO THE COST OF THE INK AND THE RIBBONS. THOSE ARE PRETTY EXPENSIVE TO HAVE, BUT IT'S LITTLE COST BIG REWARD I THINK FOR OUR CONSTITUENTS. WHAT, WHAT LINE ARE YOU I WAS ON LINE, WELL, IT'S COMPUTER AND PRINTER SUPPLIES. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU WERE LOOKING AT. I'M LOOKING AT 1680. IT SHOWS AN, AN INCREASE. THERE WAS NEVER REALLY A BUDGET FOR THAT CASE. . I WAS GONNA THINK WE WE'RE ON DOESN'T, I DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. ALL WE HAVE IS IT SAYS CIRCUIT COURT AND IT GOES DOWN FROM COMPENSATION OF JURORS. UH OH. THAT'S ON THE CIRCUIT COURT. I'M ON THE CLERK. OKAY. MAYBE YOU GUYS ARE IN THE WRONG WELL, WE DON'T HAVE SOMETHING CALLED CLERK CLERK COURT. THERE'S A CLERK OF COURT, A CIRCUIT COURT AND A LAW LIBRARY BUDGET UNDER ME. UH, EVIDENTLY IT DIDN'T GET ALL PUT IN HERE. OH. 'CAUSE OUR, UM, SORRY, UM, ATTACHMENTS SAY COVER SHEET AND CIRCUIT COURT EXPENDITURE REPORT. AND THAT'S IT. BUT IT SAYS AT THE TOP WE SHOULD HAVE CIRCUIT COURT, UM, CLERK OF THE COURT AND LAW LIBRARY. I THINK MS. SCOTT JUST LEFT PROBABLY TO FIX THAT PROBLEM. I WAS GONNA SAY, DO YOU NEED COPIES OF WHAT I, WHAT I HAVE, WHAT I'M WORKING ON THAT WAS PROVIDED TO ME FOR TODAY. UM, SHE'S PROBABLY, I'M, I'M GOING TO MAKE AN ASSUMPTION, WHICH I'M USUALLY WRONG WHEN I DO THAT, BUT SINCE SHE WALKED OUT, UM, I THINK MAYBE SHE'S DOING THAT. OKAY. AND I CAN ALWAYS, WHEN I GET BACK TO THE OFFICE, I CAN SCAN AND EMAIL THIS TO YOU AS WELL. OKAY. UM, IT MIGHT NOT BE A BAD IDEA. DO Y'ALL, THE THE THE NEW THING WE GOT GOT TO POSITION MINUTES. YEAH, YEAH, YEAH. THAT'S ON YOUR CIRCUIT COURT THOUGH. IT'S UNDER TELEPHONE. UM, THE BIG DEFICIT THAT WAS AT THE ADVICE OF FINANCE, THEY SAID THAT WE WERE NOT USING, WE DON'T SEE OUR TELEPHONE BILLS. . OKAY, BECAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY, HOW DID YOU GET YOUR TELEPHONE BILL DOWN THAT MUCH? BECAUSE I DON'T SEE THEM. ONE PERSON'S PHONE W WENT WAY UP. I WAS COULD YOU TELL 'EM HOW TO DO THAT? WE DON'T GET A ROUTINE TELEPHONE BILL. UM, IT'S, I DON'T REALLY CARE FOR THE WAY THE PHONE BILLS ARE PRESENTED TO US BY ACOM. I, IT'S A BAD SYSTEM, I THINK. UM, 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T REALLY, IT JUST BREAKS DOWN THE COURTHOUSE IN GENERAL AND HAS ALL THESE PHONE NUMBERS AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA GO THROUGH AND LOOK THROUGH THIS WHOLE BILL TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH PHONE NUMBERS ARE YOURS. AND WE ONLY GET THOSE PRETTY MUCH QUARTERLY IF THAT. SOMETIMES IT'S NOT UNTIL THE END OF THE BUDGET YEAR. AND THEN YOU'VE GOTTA TRY TO RECONCILE ALL THAT AT ONE TIME. OH, OKAY. IF THERE ARE PROBLEMS OR QUESTIONS, IT'S HARD TO GET IT RESOLVED. UM, BUT ON THEIR ADVICE, I REDUCED THAT AMOUNT BECAUSE I WAS TOLD WHAT WE HAD ACTUALLY SPENT LAST YEAR. OKAY. WELL I I WAS JUST CURIOUS BECAUSE SOMEBODY ELSE'S WENT UP. YEAH. GREAT QUESTION. AND I WAS GONNA SAY, IF YOU FIGURED OUT HOW TO LOWER YOUR, I WANT YOU TO TEACH THAT COURSE . RIGHT, RIGHT. NO, NO, THAT WAS A GREAT QUESTION. I JUST, I THINK THAT IT HAD PROBABLY BEEN OVER BUDGETED OVER THE TIME AND OKAY. BUT THERE AGAIN, WHEN YOU DON'T GET THE BILLS, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR BUDGET SHOULD BE. SO THAT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT. OKAY. BUT PRETTY MUCH OTHER THAN THAT, THE CONTRACTED EMPLOYEE IS THE SHARED LAW CLERK WITH DEL COUNTY. I BELIEVE THAT DEL COUNTY CARRIES ALL OF THE LAW CLERK'S BENEFITS. SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY JUST SENDING HALF OF THAT SALARY TO SHENANDOAH COUNTY AND WE'RE INVOICED FOR THAT QUARTERLY. AND THAT'S WORKING OUT WELL FOR BOTH OF YOU AS FAR AS I KNOW. OKAY. YEAH. 'CAUSE IT'S, IT'S TECHNICALLY THE JUDGE'S EMPLOYEE. RIGHT. IT'S REALLY NOT MINE, BUT IT'S UNDER THE CIRCUIT COURT BUDGET. IF THEY WOULD SAY SOMETHING TO YOU, ASSUME IF IT WASN'T WORKING AT ALL. I, I WOULD THINK YES. AND CONSIDERING THE NEW ONE SHOULD START, I THINK SEPTEMBER OF ONE. OKAY. I, I'M ASSUMING, YES, IT'S WORKING OUT VERY WELL FOR THEM. OKAY. AND SHENANDOAH COUNTY SEEMS TO NOT HAVE A PROBLEM EITHER, SO I THINK WE'RE GOOD. AND THEN THE LAW LIBRARY, YOU'LL SEE WE MOVED THAT FULL-TIME EMPLOYEE THAT WAS UNDER THE LAW LIBRARY HAS BEEN MOVED UNDER THE CLERK'S BUDGET. SO THAT'S ONE OF, THAT'S INCLUDED IN MINE. NO ADDITIONAL, IT'S JUST WHAT'S INCLUDED. STILL NO ADDITIONAL COST TO DISCOVERY. CORRECT. WE JUST SHIFTED THAT BECAUSE IT KIND OF MADE NO SENSE FOR IT TO BE THERE. SO WE SHIFTED THAT EXPENSE OVER. UM, [00:10:03] OF COURSE YOU'LL SEE A DEFICIT OF 3000 IN, IN FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT. THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO GET THOSE CHAIRS REPLACED FOR THE WALL LIBRARY THIS FISCAL YEAR. THAT WAS INCLUDED IN MY BUDGET LAST YEAR. UM, WE REPLACED THOSE, ACTUALLY I THINK FOR 15, 1600 I BELIEVE. I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY GET THOSE FOR A LOT LESS THAN WHAT WE THOUGHT. UM, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. THAT HAS INCREASED A LITTLE BIT. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE TO MAINTAIN AND STAY CURRENT ON THE LAW BOOKS. THEY'RE, THEY'RE GROSSLY, GROSSLY EXPENSIVE. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE JUDGE AND HIS LAW CLERK AND THEN THE CITIZENS HAVE ACCESS TO AND CAN USE. SO I JUST FIND OURSELVES NOT GETTING THE VOLUME SOMETIMES THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO UPDATE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET FOR IT. NOW DO THEY, DO THEY HAVE HARD BACK OR DO THEY THEY'RE HARD ACCESS THAT, OKAY. LEXUS IS ONLINE, BUT LEXUS IS THE ONLY THING THAT'S ON THE TERMINAL IN THE LAW LIBRARY THAT'S ACCESSIBLE TO THE PUBLIC. BUT THE HARDBOUND BOOKS ARE ALSO ACCESSIBLE AND IT'S A SET OF CODE, WHICH I, I RECEIVE A SET OF CODE AS CLERK. I JUST TAKE MY CO MY SET AND PUT IT IN THE LAW LIBRARY AND TRADE THAT OUT BECAUSE I CAN GET INTO CHAMBERS IF I NEED TO, IF I NEED THE USE OF A, OF A LAW BOOK. MM-HMM . SO I JUST KIND OF SWAP THAT OUT SO THAT IT DOESN'T COST ADDITIONAL FOR THAT. UM, BUT THE MITCH JUS PRUDENCE IS, IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE. SO THAT SIGNIFICANT, UM, DEFICIT ON THE LAW LIBRARY IS THE PERSON THAT YOU SHIFTED OVER? YES. OKAY. GOT IT. YES. AND I THINK WE GOT ALL THAT WORKED OUT IN MY BUDGET. 'CAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF DISCREPANCIES IN SALARY AND POSITION NUMBER, ET CETERA. SO I WORKED WITH ALYSSA AND WE GOT THAT. UM, I'M PRETTY SURE WE GOT THAT ALL IRONED OUT TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS A MORE ACCURATE REFLECTION. NOW, I DID ASK FOR, UM, I NOW HAVE MY FOURTH DEPUTY CLERK ENROLLED. I HAVE HAD ONE THAT HAS, WELL I'VE HAD THREE ACTUALLY THAT HAVE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM FOR MASTER CERTIFICATION. UM, THE TWO THAT WENT THROUGH LAST YEAR WON'T GET THEIR CERTIFICATE TECHNICALLY UNTIL THE FALL OF THIS YEAR. BUT CARE, UH, ONE OF MY DEPUTIES DID COMPLETE THE PROGRAM AND SHE IS ON A WAITING LIST WITH A COMP BOARD FOR A 9.3% INCREASE. WE ARE HOPING THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY GRANTS, THE REQUEST FOR THOSE WHO HAVE COMPLETED THE PROGRAM AND ARE IN THE QUEUE ARE IN OUR RATING. BUT I DIDN'T INCLUDE THAT IN CASE THAT COULD BE GRANTED THAT SHE COULD GO AHEAD AND GET THAT INCREASE BECAUSE SHE HAS DEFINITELY EARNED IT. SO, AND YOU SHOULD HAVE INFORMATION ON THAT. THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ATTACHMENTS IN YOUR, IN THE BUDGET THAT I SUBMITTED. AND IF NOT, I DO HAVE WHAT WAS INCLUDED IN THIS YEAR'S PAST BUDGET AND WHAT WE PLAN TO DO. OKAY. AND THEN IT ALSO, THROUGH THE COMPORTS WEBSITE, YOU CAN FIND ALL KINDS OF INFORMATION THROUGH THE COMPORTS WEBSITE. IT'S A VERY WONDERFUL INFORMATIONAL TOOL FOR, FOR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER BUDGETS. UM, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE MATRIX FOR CLERK OF COURT PERSONNEL. THERE IS NO DIFFERENTIAL BETWEEN A MICROFILM TECHNICIAN, WHICH DOESN'T REALLY EVEN EXIST ANYMORE. AND A SENIOR ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION IN MY OFFICE. THERE IS NO VARIANT ON THAT SALARY. AND THAT IS RIDICULOUS. NOW, THE MAX SALARY, THERE'S A VARIANT, BUT THE MINIMUM STARTING SALARY, THERE'S NO VARIANT AND IT'S, YEAH, IT'S . YEAH. I, I'M NOT A FAN OF THAT AT ALL. AND I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY CLERK IS, 'CAUSE THERE'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT MY DEPUTY THREES THAT GO TO COURT AND HANDLE COMPLEX MATTERS DO OVER A MICROFILM TECHNICIAN SOMEWHERE. THERE'S A VAST DIFFERENCE IN RESPONSIBILITY, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. SO, ANY QUESTIONS? SORRY IF I CAME IN, I LATE, BUT WHEN I WAS OPEN TO THE, THE, WHATEVER THIS IS FROM HR, THE PERSONNEL REQUESTS MM-HMM . SEEING ON YOUR, ON YOUR CLERK, YOU'VE GOT ANOTHER POSITION IN THERE. IS THAT A COMP BOARD? THAT IS THAT, THAT IS THE COMP BOARD POSITION. THAT WAS FUNDED IN JULY OF LAST YEAR. AND I DIDN'T ASK FOR IT BECAUSE BUDGETS HAD ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED. AND I DID NOT WANNA PUT THAT BURDEN ON ANYONE. SO I WITHHELD THAT UNTIL THIS YEAR. WHAT DOES IT MEAN WHEN IT'S A COMP BOARD? DOES THAT MEAN WE PAY A LITTLE BIT? OR, OR NO, THE COMP BOARD PAYS 100% OF THAT SALARY OF THAT [00:15:01] POSITION. INCLUDING FICA AND BRS AND ALL THAT. WELL, THE, THE PORTION, I THINK IT'S WHAT, A 73%, 75% ON FRINGE IS WHAT THEY GIVE YOU? WE, WE PAY, BUT IT'S A, THEY UM, I'M SORRY. OH, IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT, CORRECT. RIGHT THERE. ARE THERE, IT'S LIKE A 73% REIMBURSEMENT ON FRINGE. A HUNDRED PERCENT ON SALARY. CLERK'S OFFICE IS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE FEW OFF, WELL ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S THE ONLY, UH, CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE WHOSE DEPUTIES ARE FULLY FUNDED ON FOR THOSE ALLOTTED POSITIONS. WE HAVE EIGHT TOTAL POSITIONS. MINE BEING ONE OF THEM. BUT I KNOW THAT OTHER OFFICES CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICER POSITIONS AREN'T FUNDED VERY, THEY DON'T GET AS MUCH FUNDING ON POSITIONS. I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE I EVER HEARD WHAT THE PERCENTAGES ON THERE WERE, BUT I'M TELLING GO TO THE COMP BOARD'S WEBSITE AND YOU CAN, YOU CAN SEE THAT IT'LL, IT'LL TELL YOU WHAT EACH, WHAT BUDGET FOR EACH CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICE IS AND WHAT POSITIONS ARE BEING FUNDED AND WHAT'S NOT. AND THEN HOW MUCH AS WELL. IT'S, IT'S A GREAT TOOL TO USE. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU GUYS GIVING THAT A LOOK SO THAT YOU HAVE A, AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF WHAT COMES IN AND MM-HMM . WHAT'S GOING OUT. AND I TRY, LIKE I SAID, I DO EMAIL YOU GUYS EVERY MONTH APPRECIATE THAT WITH WHAT OUR REIMBURSEMENT SHOULD BE, WHAT OUR PIECE COMING OUTTA THAT IS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. YOUR THANK YOU. YOUR BUDGET'S ALWAYS VERY PRECISE. I APPRECIATE THAT. WELL, THANK YOU. WE TRY AND I WILL EMAIL THAT OUT TOO 'CAUSE I'VE EVEN, I'VE GOT MY NOTES ON THERE AS WELL THAT YOU CAN SEE WHAT'S INCREASED AND WHY, WHAT'S DECREASED AND WHY THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE ALL THREE CATEGORIES. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. WELL, THANK YOU ALL ON YOUR PLACE. UM, PARKS [A.2. Parks & Recreation - Tiffany Walker, Director ] AND RECS ARE UP NEXT. AND, UM, TIFFANY GAVE ME SOME AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART AND A COUPLE OF OTHER THINGS THAT YOU HAVE FOR HER, UM, PRESENTATION. SO WHENEVER YOU'RE READY. YES, MA'AM. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THE 2027 PARKS AND RECREATION BUDGET TO YOU. UM, I'VE GIVEN YOU A FEW HANDOUTS AND UPDATED EXCEL SHEET THAT HAS THE REVENUE EXPENDITURES AND ASSET AND CAPITAL REQUESTS THAT I'VE SUBMITTED, AND THEN ALSO AN ORGANIZATIONAL CHART FOR TRANSITIONING THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE BACK UNDER PARKS AND REC FROM PUBLIC WORKS. UM, THIS BUDGET REFLECTS FOUR PRIORITIES, MAINTAINING SAFE AND FUNCTIONAL FACILITIES, SUPPORTING GROWING COMMUNITY DEMANDS, PROTECTING LONG-TERM COUNTY ASSETS, AND THE TRADITION OF GROUNDS MAINTENANCE FROM PUBLIC WORKS TO PARKS AND REC THAT WAS EFFECTIVE ON MARCH 1ST. PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS NOT AN EXPANSION OF SERVICES. IT'S JUST A REALIGNMENT OF WHERE THOSE SERVICES ARE HOUSED AND THE FUNDS HAVE BEEN SHIFTED ACCORDINGLY. UM, OUR DEPARTMENT OPERATES HIGH MULTIPLE HIGH USE FACILITIES SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. AND THIS BUDGET REFLECTS THE TRUE COST OF SUSTAINING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE. SO ON THE FIRST PAGE, YOU'LL SEE OUR REVENUE, OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS ARE CONSERVATIVE AND BASED ON HISTORICAL PARTICIPATION TRENDS, WE HAVE ADJUSTED THE FACILITY RENTAL FEES TO REFLECT ACTUAL OPERATIONAL COST BETTER. THE POOL REVENUE PROJECTIONS ARE MORE REALISTIC THIS YEAR TO AVOID OVERESTIMATION. OUR GOAL IS BALANCE IS TO BALANCE COST RECOVERY WITHOUT PRICING FAMILIES OUT OF PROGRAMS. WE'RE OFFERING SEVERAL NEW PROGRAMS THIS YEAR. UM, ARCHERY, CANOEING TRIPS, A SENIOR DANCE TODDLER OLYMPICS AND SUPER SPORTS CLUB, ALONG WITH D AND D AND, UH, NATURE HIKE CLUB. UH, A LOT OF OUR EXPENDITURES ARE OFFSET BY THE REVENUE THAT WE BRING IN. IF YOU'LL FLIP TO THE NEXT PAGE FOR THE EXPENDITURES, I'LL DISCUSS, UM, THE BUDGET REQUESTS IN THE LINES THAT HAVE INCREASED FROM LAST YEAR. UH, PLEASE NOTE THAT THE MAINTENANCE SHIFTS IS REFLECTED IN THIS BUDGET INCREASE OUR PERSONNEL FOR OUR PART-TIME PERSONNEL REQUESTS. THEY'VE INCREASED TO ACTUALLY REFLECT WHAT WE SPENT LAST YEAR. UH, MOVING FORWARD WE'LL HAVE THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE STAFF UNDERNEATH OF OUR PERSONNEL BUDGET. HOWEVER, THAT IS NOT SHOWN ON THIS UPDATED EXCEL SHEET. AND I'LL GET THOSE NUMBERS TO YOU AS SOON AS I HAVE THEM. UM, IT WILL JUST BE A SHIFT FROM THE PUBLIC WORKS. UM, REQUEST TO PARKS AND REC FOR THE STAFF THAT TRANSITIONED OVER. UM, OUR EQUIPMENT REPAIRS INCREASED 114,000 $148 DUE TO THE SHIFT WITH MAINTENANCE AND INVENTORY THAT WAS TAKEN ON FACILITIES AND ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE REPAIRED. OUR MOTOR VEHICLE REPAIRS INCREASED, UH, $12,200 TO COVER THE MAINTENANCE TEAM VEHICLE REPAIRS. OUR MAINTENANCE SERVICE CONTRACTS INCREASED $3,000. UM, THIS WAS AN INCREASE FOR THE POOL AND XOX CO CONTRACTS, UH, SERVICES FROM OTHER GOVERNMENTS INCREASED A THOUSAND DOLLARS DUE TO THE INCREASE IN BACKGROUND [00:20:01] SCREENING COSTS. OUR CABLE AND INTERNET INCREASED $1,500 DUE TO THE WIFI AND PHONE INSTALLATION AT THE GYMNASIUM. THIS PAST YEAR, OUR CELL PHONE INCREASED $1,800 TO COVER THE CELL PHONES USED BY THE MAINTENANCE STAFF. OUR OFFICE SUPPLIES INCREASED $3,000 TO COVER THE ADDITIONAL SUPPLIES NEEDED FOR THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE BUILDING. OUR BEVERAGE SUPPLIES INCREASED $7,000. THAT WAS SHIFTED OVER FROM GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. OUR LAUNDRY SERVICES INCREASED $2,000, WHICH WAS SHIFTED OVER FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. OUR BUILDING MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES INCREASED $153,900 FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. OUR VEHICLE AND POWERED EQUIPMENT INCREASED 30,000 FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. OUR VEHICLE AND POWERED EQUIPMENT FUELS INCREASED $39,200 FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. UH, WEARING APPAREL INCREASED $4,800 TO COVER THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE UNIFORMS, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS INCREASED $1,261, WHICH IS JUST BECAUSE OF INCREASE IN SUBSCRIPTION PRICES. OUR OTHER OPERATIONS OPERATING SUPPLIES INCREASED $33,211 AND 45 CENTS, WHICH WAS SHIFTED OVER FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. OUR SIGNAGE INCREASED $7,450 TO REPLACE THE INVENTORY TAKEN ON DAMAGED SIGNS THROUGHOUT THE PARKS. OUR FURNITURE AND EQUIPMENT INCREASED $11,320. UH, THIS LINE WAS NOT FUNDED LAST YEAR AND IT'S FOR REPLACEMENT OF TABLES AND CHAIRS AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER. AND WE WOULD DEFINITELY BE OPEN TO NOT GETTING THAT FULL AMOUNT, BUT PARTIALLY. AND THEN JUST EACH YEAR REPLACING AS WE CAN. UM, OUR CONVENTION EDUCATIONAL INCREASE $2,430. THIS WILL BE FOR SAFETY TRAINING FOR OUR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE TEAM. AND LEASE RENT AND EQUIPMENT INCREASED $750, WHICH WAS SHIFTED OVER FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. AND THAT WAS, THAT WAS ALL OF THE CHANGES TO OUR LINE ITEMS FOR THIS YEAR. IF YOU'LL LOOK AT YOUR NEXT PAGE FOR OUR ASSET AND CAPITAL PRIORITIES THAT WE REQUESTED, UM, I'M REQUESTING A TODDLER PLAYGROUND TO BE INSTALLED AT PETER HUG PARK. WE CURRENTLY HAVE TWO PARKS WITH TYLER EQUIPMENT AT THEM. ADDING A TODDLER PLAYGROUND OVER AT PETER HU WOULD DRAW MORE TRAFFIC TO THAT PARK AND GIVE PARENTS WITH TODDLERS A SAFE SPACE FOR CHILDREN TO PLAY. I'M ALSO REQUESTING A SPIDER CLIMBER FOR EASTLAND PARK AND A TURF BACKSTOP AT BAIN CROSBY STADIUM. WE'VE HAD TO CANCEL SEVERAL GAMES WITHIN THE STADIUM DUE TO THE LACK OF SUNLIGHT THAT HITS BEHIND HOME PLATE. UM, IF WE INSTALLED TURF JUST IN THAT SPECIFIC AREA, IT WOULD ALLOW THE WATER TO DRAIN MORE QUICKLY AND THE AREA BEHIND HOME PLATE WOULD DRY OUT. SO I'M ALSO REACHING OUT TO TEAMS THAT PLAY IN THAT FACILITY TO SEE IF THEY WOULD HELP WITH SOME OF THAT FINANCIAL BURDEN. UM, I KNOW THAT CHRISTIANDOM COLLEGE USES THAT FACILITY AND THEY'VE OFFERED TO REACH OUT TO THEIR ALUMNI TO HELP AS WELL. UH, FOR CAPITAL. I SUBMITTED SEVERAL REQUESTS, BUT I'LL SPEAK TO THE ONES THAT POSE THE MOST SAFETY CONCERN IN OUR TIME SENSITIVE FANTASY LAND NEEDS TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND REPLACED. UH, CERTIFIED PLAYGROUND INSPECTOR HAS RECOMMENDED THAT THIS BE DONE. UM, IT'S A SAFETY ISSUE AND POSES A SERIOUS THREAT TO OUR YOUTH. WE'VE ALREADY RAISED 35,000 FOR THIS PROJECT. UH, WE'RE APPLYING FOR MORE GRANTS AND REACHING OUT TO MORE COMMUNITY ORGANIZATIONS FOR SUPPORT. BUT WE WOULD NEED SOME FUNDING, UM, TO COMPLETE THE REMOVAL AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW PARK. UH, THE WARREN COUNTY HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TRACK RESURFACING. THERE ARE SEVERAL CRACKS THAT ARE BEYOND REPAIR. THEY NOW POSE A SAFETY THREAT TO ANYONE WALKING. UM, WE'VE TRIED TO KILL THE WEEDS WITHIN THE CRACKS, FILL THE CRACKS WITH SAND AND THEN TAR OVER THEM. BUT THAT'S BEEN A BANDAID AND THE CRACKS ARE NOW TOO BIG FOR THAT TO BE SUCCESSFUL. UH, THE ROCKLAND PARK ATHLETIC FIELD PROJECT, WE CAN RECEIVE A TWO YEAR EXTENSION ON THIS PROJECT IF WE DECIDE TO MOVE FORWARD. UM, IT'S A MULTI FIELD COMPLEX. IT WOULD REDUCE THE STRAIN ON CURRENT FACILITIES AND IMPROVE OVERALL FIELD CONDITIONS AND LONGEVITY. UH, THIS IS A LONG-TERM INVESTMENT IN YOUTH DEVELOPMENT, ECONOMIC GROWTH, OPERATIONAL EFFICIENCY, AND COMMUNITY IDENTITY. UH, BY DEVELOPING A CENTRALIZED MODERN FACILITY, WE POSITION OUR PARKS AND REC SYSTEM TO MEET CURRENT DEMANDS AND PREPARE FOR FUTURE DEMANDS. UM, ALSO A VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FOR GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. AN ADDITIONAL VEHICLE IS ESSENTIAL FOR DAILY GROUNDS AND FIELDS OPERATION. OUR AGING FLEET INCREASES REPAIR COSTS AND DOWNTIME AND HAVING RELIABLE VEHICLES IMPROVE PRODUCTIVITY AND RESPONSE TIME. UH, LASTLY, THE ROYAL AVENUE TRAIL. UH, THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS DONATED TO THE COUNTY AND THE DONOR WOULD LIKE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE SPACE. UH, THE PIECE OF PROPERTY WOULD BE DEVELOPED SIMILARLY TO HOW EASTLAND PARK IS, UM, WITH THE POTENTIAL FOR SENSORY ITEMS ALONG THE WAY. UH, WE ASK THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS REQUEST SOONER RATHER THAN LATER SO THAT WE STILL HAVE THE DONOR SUPPORT AND KNOWLEDGE, UM, THE CAPITAL REQUEST. THEY'LL FOCUS ON PRESERVATION, SAFETY AND STRATEGIC GROWTH TO BETTER SERVE OUR COMMUNITY. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AND THEN IF I DON'T HAVE THE ANSWER, I'LL FIND IT AND GET BACK TO YOU. [00:25:01] UH, JUST A COUPLE MAYBE? YES MA'AM. UH, YEAH, I THINK YOU COVERED THE FANTASY LAND REPLACEMENT AND YOU SAID YOU'RE GETTING GRANTS IN ADDITION TO THE MONEY YOU'RE RAISING LOCALLY. AND I SUPPOSE THAT'S THE MATCH PORTION. YES, SIR. OKAY. WHERE WAS THAT BUILT? OH, IT WAS BUILT BACK IN 1993. 93. 90 94. FINISHED IN 93. STARTED IN 92. NO, I WAS USING FOUR BECAUSE I HELPED. YES, YES. DID I HAVE PICTURES OF YOU HELPING? OKAY. AND THE GROUNDBREAKING. YEAH, WE HAVE THEM IN THE COMMUNITY CENTER. I KNOW IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S LAST A LONG TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING TOO IS THESE PROJECTS WERE DONE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY AND WE MAY HAVE THE LAST ONE STANDING 'CAUSE THEY WEREN'T MAINTAINED AS WELL AS THEY COULD HAVE BEEN, BUT YES SIR. BUT IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE. THE OTHER ONE WAS, UH, AND I DON'T KNOW THAT MUCH ABOUT IT, BUT THE ROCKLAND PARK MM-HMM . ATHLETIC FIELDS. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE'S SOME GRANT FLOATING AROUND OUT THERE AND WE NEED TO ACT ON THAT. IS THAT YES, SIR. OKAY. YEP. SO IT'S A MATCHING GRANT FOR 4 MILLION AND I BELIEVE WE HAVE TO PROVIDE 2 MILLION AND THE GOVERNMENT WILL PROVIDE ANOTHER 2 MILLION AND THEN WHATEVER WE SPEND, THEY MATCH. AND THEN IF WE DON'T COMPLETE THE PROJECT WITHIN A CERTAIN TIME LIMIT, WE HAVE TO PAY THAT BACK. OKAY. 'CAUSE THERE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S A TIMEFRAME ON WHEN THAT GRANT DRIES UP. UM, IT WAS SOME TALK ABOUT RENEWING THOSE PLANS FOR THAT. DID THAT EVER GET DONE? YES. IN PROGRESS. IN PROGRESS. IN PROGRESS. GET SOMETHING GOING IF WE DON'T HAVE THE, SORRY, I DON'T WANNA GIVE YOU WRONG INFORMATION AND I DON'T REMEMBER, I KNOW VDOT JUST CAME UP WITH A ROCK IN THE ROAD. YEAH, VDOT. UM, ACTUALLY THEIR COMMENTS BACK ON THE PLANS DURING THE PLANS REVIEW WAS THAT WE'D NEED TO INSTALL TWO COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES, UM, IN ORDER FOR THEM TO CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD. CURRENTLY THEY MAINTAIN THE ROAD ALL THE WAY UP INTO THE PARK, BASICALLY TO WHERE THE SHELTERS ARE. THEY'RE LIKE, THE ROADS ARE NOT BASICALLY UP TO BE STANDARD FOR THEM TO DO SO. SO THE COUNTY CAN EITHER MAINTAIN THE ROADS OR WE CAN, UM, ENTER OR DO THE TWO COMMERCIAL ENTRANCES, WHICH APPROXIMATELY $50,000 EACH. UM, I STILL THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH FEED. WE DID. WE GAVE THEM THE LAND THEY NEEDED TO DO THE BRIDGE. THEY SH THEY SHOULD, I DON'T CARE. . I KNOW THEY DON'T. BUT, UM, YEAH. THIS WEEK, UM, KELLY, THE VDOT TEAM AND KIMLEY HORN WENT THROUGH THE PROJECT AGAIN IN ORDER TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT IT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WOULD WAVE OR OVERLOOK. AND THEY'RE LIKE, IF YOU WANTED TO COME INTO THE VDOT SYSTEM, NO. UM, BUT IF, BUT THE ROAD TECHNICALLY IS ALREADY IN THE VDOT SYSTEM AND THAT'S WHERE THEY SAID WE NEED TO GET IT UP TO CODE. OH, THEY'RE GONNA COME OUT OF IT IF THEY'RE GONNA CONTINUE TO MAINTAIN IT OR THEY WON'T MAINTAIN IT, GUESS YEAH. THEY'RE JUST NOT BEING GREAT NEWS. MY FAVORITE PROCESS, VERY COOPERATIVE CONSIDERING HOW COOPERATIVE WE'VE BEEN WITH THAT. IT'S ALREADY A V DOCK ROAD. IT LOOKED LIKE THEY'D BE FORCED INTO MAKING ANY IMPROVEMENTS ONLY TO KEEP IT TO THEIR, WELL, I WISH WE HAD KNOWN THIS BEFORE. WE WERE SO NICE ABOUT GIVING THEM WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO THE BRIDGE. WE COULD HAVE NEGOTIATED THIS OUT BETTER. AND LAST THING I HAD TOO, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE ROYAL AVENUE TRAIL. YES, I KNOW WHERE ROYAL AVENUE IS, BUT WHERE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE TRAIL? SO ACROSS FROM WHERE THE VFW WAS? OKAY. YES SIR. OKAY. SO THAT ON THAT LEFT HAND SIDE, WHEN YOU COME DOWN WHERE THEY HAVE THE, IT'S A CAR REPAIR SHOP, I GUESS, RIGHT? RIGHT BEFORE YOU GET TO THE RIVER? UM, THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY THAT GOES UNDERNEATH THE BRIDGE. YEAH, THE ANDREAS, UH, DONATED THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. THAT'S ALL I GOT. OH, EXCEPT ONE MORE THING. YES, SIR. AND THERE AGAIN, I APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION. I KNOW THIS IS A BUDGET EXCEPT IT MAY BE TIME, IT MAY, MAY BE WORTHWHILE SOMETIMES TO ADD TO YOUR LIST TO BRING IN THE DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND JUST EXPLAIN IN MORE DETAIL WHAT'S OUT THERE, UH, WHAT'S PENDING, JUST LIKE WITH THIS GRANT. BUT AGAIN, WE NEED TO GET THROUGH THE BUDGET FIRST, BUT THAT'S JUST A THOUGHT. 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE STAND ON A LOT OF THESE THINGS AND WHAT EACH DEPARTMENT DOES. I HAVE A PRETTY GOOD IDEA. BUT JUST LIKE WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS AND STUFF LIKE THAT AND WITH THE, UH, THE PARKS AND REC AND JUST GET INTO A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL AS FAR AS ALL THEY DO. NOW'S NOT THE TIME FOR THAT. BUT MAYBE IN THE FUTURE WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS, WHAT I DID SIMILARLY WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS PUT Y'ALL ON THE BUS AND GO LOOK AT SOME OF THE STUFF TOGETHER. MM-HMM . MM-HMM . YEP. EXCELLENT IDEA. ALRIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. I I REALLY APPRECIATE THE ORG CHART TOO. ALRIGHT. [00:30:01] ALL RIGHT. [A.3. Public Works - Mike Berry, Public Works Director ] MR. BERRY, PUBLIC WORKS. GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR. BOARD MEMBERS DR. MARTIN SAID, OH BOY, , BUT, UH, I, MR. MONEY HERE. NO, I'M NOT MR. MONEY. I HAVE TOO MANY THINGS TO GO THAT, THAT DETAILED. UM, ONE OF THE THING I WAS JUST TALKING TO ALYSSA ABOUT, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S IN THE PACKAGES, THE, THE SIX SANITARY DISTRICTS THAT WE DO THE BUDGETS FOR, SHENDO FARMS, LAKEFRONT, ROYAL WILD CUT DRIVE, OPR LANE, LYNDEN HEIGHTS, AND SHANNON WOODS. THEY'RE NOT REQUESTING ANY CHANGES IN THEIR FEE STRUCTURE THIS YEAR. SO THE ONLY REAL CHANGE, WHICH I THINK EVERYBODY EXCEPT FOR MR. CARTER, WAS HERE WHEN THE FARMS CAME IN AND DID THEIR PRESENTATION OF THEIR YEAR IN REVIEW. UM, AND THEY, WHAT THEY DECIDED TO DO WAS TO, UM, DESIGNATE THAT $500,000 ANNUALLY TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. AND I DID INSERT THAT IN THEIR BUDGET. SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT THAT CHANGED. AND THEIR REQUEST WAS TO LEAVE THEIR OPERATIONAL FUNDING AT THE SAME LEVEL, BUT THEY WANTED TO SPEND THAT 500 ANNUALLY. SO, AND IF WE NEED TO COME BACK AROUND AND DO ANOTHER SESSION ON THEM, WE CAN, BUT I WANTED TO BRING THAT UP. IT WAS NOT IN THE PACKAGE. IS ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE AT ALL? UM, L LOOKING AT THE, WHAT IS IN HERE AND IT'S SAYS SANITARY DISTRICTS MM-HMM . AND THERE'S WHAT, SIX, SEVEN LINES AND THEN THE TOTALS ARE THOSE, IS THAT YOUR EXPENSES TO DO THE SANITARY DISTRICTS? WHICH BUDGET ARE YOU ON? I DON'T, I'M NOT SURE IF I'M SEEING THE SAME THING YOU ARE. I'M NOT SURE YOU ARE EITHER. ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THAT 4 1 0 2 OH THING? UH, LEMME GO BACK TO THAT. UH, IT SHOWS A TOTAL OF, UH, 1,000,060 4,000. I THINK THAT IS, THAT'S SOME PROCESS BEHIND THE SCENES THAT THAT'S NOT, UH, ACTUAL SANITARY DISTRICT BUDGET. SO THE, THE BUDGET FOR THAT INCLUDES ME, TRAVIS, I'M, I'M NOT REQUESTING ANY MONEY THERE. I'M, I TALKED TO THIS, I REALLY WASN'T GONNA PRESENT ANYTHING ON THAT. I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. I'M LOOKING AT THAT. IT LOOKS LIKE MORE OF PROJECT BASED STUFF THAT THEY'VE PROBABLY CODED TO. I'M NOT SURE. OKAY. THE 4 1 0 1 OH YEAH. WOULD BE THE BUDGET. THAT WOULD BE ME. IT'D BE TRAVIS OR THE DEPUTY, THE OFFICE MANAGER. IT WOULD BE THAT WHOLE TEAM, UM, OUT THERE. THE, THE SIX GUYS THAT WORK OUT THERE. UM, OKAY. GOTCHA. SO THAT WOULD BE THAT WHOLE TEAM. AND THAT BUDGET WOULD BE THE GUYS THAT WORK WITHIN THE DISTRICTS. ALL THE DISTRICTS EXCEPT FOR FARMS. AND THOSE GUYS ARE IN THAT BUDGET FOR MEN. OKAY. UM, THEY HAVE A FOREMAN, DEPUTY FOREMAN AND TWO WORKERS EQUIP OPERATORS OUT THERE CURRENTLY. SO I'M NOT SURE I CAN ANSWER THAT. 4 1 0 2 OH, THAT'S NOT A OKAY. NOT SOMETHING THAT I SUBMITTED IN, IN, IN THERE. OKAY. ON, ON THE OH 4 1 0 1 OH MM-HMM . YOU HAVE ROAD IMPROVEMENTS AND, UM, AN ADDITIONAL 48,000. YEP. SO THAT'S THE ONLY MAJOR INCREASE THAT I HAD ON THAT BUDGET. AND IF YOU HAVE ASSET REPLACEMENT, THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE IN ASSET REPLACEMENT IS ONE ITEM. IT'S MAJOR EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT. SO LAST YEAR, UM, I DON'T, I I WAS LOOKING FOR 'EM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY'RE AT. WE HAVE TWO MANUALS ABOUT THIS THICK, UH, TAKING PICTURES OF EVERY PIECE OF ASPHALT ON EVERY BUILDING PROPERTY WE HAVE. MM-HMM . WITH ALLIGATOR CRACKING AND EVERYTHING ELSE. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WERE SUPPOSED TO DO SOME WORK OUT HERE A FEW YEARS AGO AND WE GOT PULLED BACK. SO WE DON'T REALLY HAVE A A, A DEEP POCKET OF MONEY IN THAT 4 1 0 1 OH BUDGET. UM, IF WE DO GET ASKED TO REPAIR OR, OR TO FIX A PARKING LOT, UM, YOU KNOW, UM, JANE HAD TALKED ABOUT DOING A, UH, KIND OF A, A SCHEDULE OF WHAT'S THE WORST. UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN TIFFANY MENTIONED THE, UH, THE TRACK. I MEAN, I GOT AN ESTIMATE FOR HER ON THAT USING, SHE HAD ONE THROUGH FINDLEY. I GOT HER ONE THROUGH CAROL, WHICH WAS MUCH CHEAPER. BUT I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE PEOPLE USE REGULARLY THAT'S IN BAD SHAPE. UM, SHE JUST MENTIONED THAT, UM, THE, I TOLD DR. MARTIN THE OTHER DAY, WE HAVE A GOLF COURSE. THE GOLF COURSE, IF YOU GO OUT THERE, THE PARKING LOT'S BAD, THE TRAILS. WE'VE DONE SOME PATCHING OURSELVES ON IT. THAT WAS TWO YEARS AGO. ED ASKED IF WE COULD DO IT AND WE DID SOME MANUAL PATCHING. IT WASN'T THE PRETTIEST IN THE WORLD, BUT WE DID IT WITH A SKID STEER AND A ROLLER AND DID THE BEST WE COULD TO HELP GET THAT [00:35:01] THROUGH MM-HMM . BUT WE STILL OWN THAT INFRASTRUCTURE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THAT, AND I'M NOT, THERE'S STILL SOME SHIFT IN MOVING PARTS IN THIS PARKS TRANSITION. I'M ASSUMING WE'LL PROBABLY STILL BE INVOLVED IN ASPHALT THAT ARE AT BUILDINGS AND, AND, AND A LOT OF THESE TRAILS NEED SOME REPAIRS. UM, SO THAT 48 IS, UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PLANT MIX. THAT'S A NUMBER THAT WE HAVE NO, NO MONEY FOR COUNTY ASPHALT ANYWHERE. AND LIKE OTHER THINGS I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS, INFRASTRUCTURE, I MEAN, IT'S AN INVESTMENT. ASPHALT'S IMPORTANT. IF YOU LET IT GO, YOU LOSE MONEY. THE ONLY THING THAT, THAT I THINK THAT I DEAL WITH THAT WE'VE IMPROVED IS THE TRANSFER STATION. AND THAT WAS A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO. UM, I MEAN, IF WE LET IT GO, WE LET IT GO. BUT NO, THAT'S, IT'S, IT'S GONNA COST A LOT MORE MONEY. SO IT, I I PUT A NUMBER HERE. I DIDN'T MAKE IT ON. I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF I'M, I'M GONNA MAKE IT ON CAPITAL OR NOT. UM, SO I, I KIND OF SLUNG SOME MONEY HERE TOO, AND I FIGURED IT NOTHING ELSE. I'D BRING A CONVERSATION TO THE FOREFRONT SO THAT PEOPLE CAN START LOOKING AT THE STUFF THEY'RE WALKING ON AND WHERE THEY PULL UP AND CHECK OUT THE BUILDINGS. UM, 'CAUSE WE GOT A LOT OF ASPHALT AROUND HERE. YEAH. SO THAT'S, THAT'S NOT FOR SANITARY DISTANCE. THAT'S FOR NO, I MEAN IF, IF WE WERE TO, I MEAN, IF WE WERE GOING TO, AND WE DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH ASPHALT IN THE LITTLE ONES, LIKE LAKE NANDO FARMS PAYS THEIR OWN BILL RIGHT. NOW, IF IT WAS A CARRA CONSTRUCTION JOB IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL, THEY WOULD PAY THAT BILL. RIGHT. I WOULD CODE IT OUTTA THAT BUDGET IF WE WERE GETTING A, A, A SCOOP ON THE BACK OF OUR TRUCK AND YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, CODE IT THAT, THAT'S PROBABLY WHERE WE CODE IT. AND THEN WE GET A REIMBURSEMENT IF WE HAD TO DO A MATERIAL. OKAY. UM, THERE'S OCCASIONAL WE'LL DO LIKE CHIPS AND WE WILL CHARGE THEM FOR THE CHIPS IF WE HAD 'EM IN OUR OWN STOCKPILE. YEAH. NO, I GOT YOU NOW. MM-HMM. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE TO QUESTION WHAT IT WAS AND WAS IT FOR OUR PROPERTIES FOR SANITATION? YEAH. AND ONE OF THE GOALS, AND, AND WE CAN'T DO EVERYTHING WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, OUT HERE, OUT FRONT. I MEAN, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, BUT WE FIXED THAT HANDICAP BUTTON OUT THERE. I MEAN, TRAVIS AND HIS TEAM APPRECIATE THAT. HE FIXED THE CURB THAT WAS BROKE OFF. HE DID THE CONCRETE WORK HIMSELF. YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, WE TRY TO DO SOME OF THOSE THINGS, BUT IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY ANYWHERE, THEN WE'RE JUST, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE OVERRUNNING SOMETHING. MM-HMM . I MEAN, AND THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS. OKAY. I GOTCHA. BUT YEAH. BUT ANYWAY, YOU KNOW, WE NEED SOME MONEY FOR ASPHALT AND WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO TAKE CARE OF WHAT WE GOT. UM, AND WE HAVEN'T DONE THAT. OKAY. UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THERE? I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY THE ONLY BIG ONE. EQUIPMENT FUELS. I MEAN, I HAVE A LOT OF LINE ITEMS THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I LOVE DEAD TO DEATH, BUT HE CUT ME THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M LIKE, YOU CAN'T CUT THOSE THINGS. I MEAN, YOU CAN'T GO DOWN IN EQUIPMENT, FULL FUEL. AND IF YOU DON'T REPLACE VEHICLES, YOU DON'T GO DOWN IN MAINTENANCE. AND THE ELECTRIC BILL TYPICALLY DOESN'T GO DOWN OR THE PHONE BILL. UM, AND SOME OF THE CUTS THAT WE TOOK, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. UH, THE ELECTRIC BILL, I CAN'T CHANGE OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, MAYBE FIX LIGHTS. AND THAT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, INFRASTRUCTURE NEED. IF WE WANT TRY TO MOVE SOMETHING IN IN THAT MANNER, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT LATER. YEAH. NO, THE FUEL KIND OF WORRIES ME FOR EVERYBODY WITH HOW MUCH IT'S GONE UP JUST IN THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS. ONLY OTHER CONCERN THAT I HAD WAS, AND WE, WE HAD TALKED, BUT, AND THIS IS NOT REALLY, IT'S NOT COMPLETELY A BUDGET ITEM, BUT IT, IT MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO MENTION IT. RIGHT. I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED THAT WE WERE NOT, OUR RATES ARE A LITTLE SOFT, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OF THIS EQUIPMENT AND STUFF OUT BASED ON MY OWN EXPERIENCE. UH, 'CAUSE IF, UH, WE'RE SOFT ON THOSE RATES, UH, THAT EQUIPMENT REPLACEMENT AND THOSE MAINTENANCE ITEMS RIGHT. BECOME, UH, A TAXPAYER BURDEN INSTEAD OF RIGHT. THE WORK THAT IT DID SHOULD HAVE PAID FOR THAT. MM-HMM . SO, UM, MAYBE WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TYPICALLY, AND, AND TRAVIS AND I, AND I THINK I MENTIONED IT, WE LOOKED AT 'EM I THINK BEFORE YOU TOLD ME YOUR OPINION, BUT YOU KNOW WHAT, WE WERE COMPARING, I MEAN, WE'VE COMPARED WITH, I MEAN THERE ARE SOME PLACES IN THE COUNTRY THAT DO SOMETHING SIMILAR, BUT WE COMPARE, IN MY OPINION, APPLES TO APPLES. LIKE WHEN WE HAVE GEI ON CONTRACT AND G I'S CONTRACT WILL BE A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT WITH A MAN AND IT'LL BE A, A SUPERVISOR WITH A PICKUP. YOU KNOW, AND, AND I MEAN, WE'RE NOT HITTING AS HARD AS GEI, BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE ALSO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE COVER OUR COST. WE'RE NOT HERE. LIKE, I MEAN, IF, IF I'M OUT TO MAKE A PROFIT, THEN I'LL, I CAN SURPASS GEI AND, AND CHARGE MORE MONEY. WELL, I, I, AT THE SAME TIME, ALL IF YOU'RE DOING WORK IN A PRIVATE DIRT ROAD SUBDIVISION AND A COUNTY'S GONNA DO IT FOR NOTHING, ALL THEY DID WAS BLOCK A PRIVATE CONTRACTOR FROM DOING THAT WORK ANYWAY. AND IF WE'RE NOT AT THE SAME COMPETITIVE RATE AS WHATEVER AVERAGE LOCAL CONTRACTOR RATE IS, YOU COULD LOOK AT IT FROM A [00:40:01] STANDPOINT THAT WE'RE SUBSIDIZING THAT. AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S FAIR EITHER. SO I, I WOULD PROBABLY GET THOSE RATES UP CLOSER TO IT. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU'RE, YOU KNOW, WOULD, WOULD WRAP, YOU KNOW, FOR APPLE ONE WAS STILL IN BUSINESS, IT'D BE A LOCAL CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, FOR A SKID STEER OR A TRACTOR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. MM-HMM. I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHY OUR TRACTOR WOULD BE WORTH LESS RIGHT. THAN, UH, A LOCAL CONTRACTOR SO THAT THAT WOULD HELP THESE REPLACEMENT COSTS AND STUFF TOO. FOR A LITTLE SOFT, I DON'T, I, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T WANNA OVERCHARGE OR, YOU KNOW, CREATE SOME KIND OF BURDEN OR, OR COUNTY OUTDOOR WORK AND MAKING SOME ASTRONOMICAL PROFIT. RIGHT. BUT JUST IN OUR DISCUSSION, UH, FROM YEARS OF EXPERIENCE, I, I, THOSE, THOSE COULD PROBABLY COME UP A LITTLE BIT. RIGHT. AND, AND, AND THEY ALL CAME UP A LITTLE BIT, WHICH I MEAN IT'S, I I MEAN FIRST THING DR. MARTIN ASKED ME WAS, HE WAS LIKE, YOU DON'T, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY PEOPLE. AND I'M LIKE, NO, I DON'T HAVE ANY POSITIONS. NOT ASKING FOR A PERSON. BUT ONE THING WE WERE ABLE TO DO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN I LISTENED TO FIRE AND RESCUE THEIR PLAN. I THINK IT'S WONDERFUL. I HAD TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, DOING AN EVALUATION 'CAUSE IT'S BEEN A LOT OF YEARS SINCE WE LOOKED AT EVERYBODY. SO, YOU KNOW, I, IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT HR AND DOES IT INTERNAL. SO ONE THING THAT WE DID LAST COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DID NOT AGREE WITH OUR PLAN I WORKED WITH HR ON, BUT I THOUGHT WE WERE KIND OF GOING IN THE DIRECTION THAT WE WERE GIVEN GUIDANCE TO DO SUCH. AND I LIKED IT. UM, BUT IN THE TRANSITION, UM, WHILE JANE WAS IN HER LITTLE SPELL THERE IN THE, IN THE MIDST HERE FOR DR. MARTIN, WE WERE ABLE TO HELP THE MEN THAT WE DISCUSSED IN THAT PLAN THAT WORK ON THE SIDES OF MOUNTAINS. 'CAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT TASK. YOU KNOW, AND, AND I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE GUYS ON, THEY, THEY RUN A ZERO TURN. IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT THAN BEING UP ON TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN. YES. AND, AND RUNNING A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT. AND ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU'RE PULLING EQUIPMENT ON A LOW BOY AND YOU'RE STRAPPING IT DOWN AND CARRYING IT UP THERE, ALL THAT KIND OF THING. SO, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ONE THING THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR DID SAY, HEY, THIS IS A LOT MORE HAZARDOUS. THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DIFFERENT LEVEL OF EQUIPMENT. SO WE WERE ABLE, THANKFULLY TO GET THOSE GUYS IN THE SANITARY DISTRICTS IN CDO FARMS, WHICH THEIR BOARD, WELL JOHN I THINK WAS THERE, BUT LAST YEAR, LAST FALL, THEY, THEY VOTED TO APPROVE AND SUPPORT. 'CAUSE WE HAD VDOT SPEAKING TO ONE OF OUR EMPLOYEES, YOU KNOW, WHICH WAS LOCAL VDOT. AND I'M LIKE, WE CAN'T AFFORD TO LOSE PEOPLE TO VDOT LOCAL, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY THESE GUYS. 'CAUSE WHEN THE SNOW COMES, WE'RE GONNA BE IN TROUBLE. SO, I MEAN, AND IT'S NOT EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT WE DO CHARGE WHATEVER THEY MAKE. SO AUTOMATICALLY, IF THAT MAN WENT UP $2 AN HOUR OR $3 AN HOUR, WHATEVER IT WOULD BE, THAT AUTOMATICALLY GOES ON THAT BILL. AND, AND IT'S A REIMBURSEMENT THAT ALSO COVERS, UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE COST ON OUR END AS WELL. UM, SO ALL TIME IN THERE, BUT I, I DON'T DISAGREE. IT'S SOMETHING WE DO WATCH. UM, I MEAN IF THERE'S A HEAVIER BURDEN WE WE, WE CAN, WE CAN PUSH IT OR GO TOWARD IT. UM, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I, I WOULD, I WOULD DEFINITELY SAY WE WANT TO VERY BE FORTHCOMING BECAUSE YOU KNOW, AS WE, AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE'RE GONNA MIGRATE TO REFUSE NEXT, BUT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE A SITUATION LIKE WITH THE TALENT AND THE TIPPING FEES. 'CAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT BUSINESSES HAVE FELT THAT HEY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT FAIR OVER THE YEARS AT TIMES BECAUSE THEY DON'T PAY A, WELL, THEY USED TO ONLY PAY FOR A COMMERCIAL AND NOW WE GIVE 'EM A MUNICIPAL RATE, WHICH IS MUCH CHEAPER THAN THE COMMERCIAL RATE, BUT THEY DON'T GO AFTER BUSINESS. BUT I MEAN THAT'S IMPORTANT DISCUSSION WE'VE HAD OVER THE YEARS AS WELL. AND IT MAKES AN IMPACT ON ONE OUR BOTTOM LINE. AND, AND I CAN VOUCH FOR TRAVIS AND HIS CREW 'CAUSE I'VE WORKED WITH THOSE GUYS. THOSE GUYS WILL WORK. THEY DO EARN, YEAH. OH THEY DO EARN THEIR KEEP THEY'VE DONE, YEAH. OH GREAT. THINGS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY. AND THEY'VE ACTUALLY SAVED, PROBABLY SAVED THE COUNTY A LOT OF MONEY FOR SOME OF THE YEAH. YOU KNOW, LIKE SOME OF THE PROJECTS, IF YOU RIGHT, YOU HAD TO SOLICIT THAT TO BID THROUGH A BIG COMPANY AND THEY COME IN AND GIVE YOU A RATE. IT'S, IT'S, OH, YOU'RE PAYING EXACTLY WHAT IT COSTS. AND THAT'S THE BEST DEAL COUNTY CAN MAKE FOR ITSELF. I MEAN WHEN THEY DID THOMPSON MILL, THEY SAVED THE DISTRICT AND THE COUNTY A BOATLOAD OF MONEY. YEAH. I MEAN JUST FOR THIS, THE SCHOOLS, I MEAN, AND THAT'S SOMETHING, I MEAN WE, WE DO TRY TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS WORK TOGETHER. I MEAN I THINK THE NUMBER WAS LIKE A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. WE SAVED THEM WORKING ON THE BIO PONDS FOR THEM OFF OF THE ESTIMATE THEY RECEIVED OUTSIDE. OH, THAT'S GREAT. I MEAN, AND WE DON'T, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING, IF WE DON'T HAVE ANY FLEXIBILITY THEN WE CAN'T DO THOSE THINGS. BUT WE DO TRY TO USE COMMON SENSE AND WE DO TRY TO DO THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTY AT LARGE. YOU KNOW, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, MAYBE WE SHOULD PUBLICLY ADVERTISE MORE, BUT, UM, I THINK WE DO HAVE A GOOD CREW. I, I AGREE. ANYTHING ELSE ON THAT? I KNOW, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND YOU MENTIONED EVEN THE SINKHOLE. I MEAN WE HAD AN ENGINEER THERE, BUT I MEAN, WE COULD HAVE HIRED OUR, OUR CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW, AND [00:45:01] THAT'S SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL, TRAVIS WANTED TO WATCH IT THROUGH THE SPRING, ALL THE MOISTURE. AND THAT'D BE AN EXAMPLE OF WHERE, HEY, ONCE WE FEEL CONFIDENT IT'S BRIDGE, THERE'S NO PROBLEMS. THEN WE'RE GOING TO GET A LOAD OF ASPHALT THAT'S AT THE PSB AND WE'RE GONNA PUT THAT IN THAT HOLE. AND YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T THINK IT'S DANGEROUS RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT WOULD BE A PLACE WE WOULD BUY ASPHALT, YOU KNOW, AND IF WE DON'T HAVE A BUDGET, IT'S GONNA COME OFF OF ONE OF THESE LITTLE LINES DOWN HERE SOMEWHERE ELSE. IT'S AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. DEFINITELY TAKE IT OUTTA HER BUDGET. . THAT'S FINE. SHE ACTUALLY IS REALLY, I, I DON'T WANT TO BE, I DON'T SAY THAT 'CAUSE SHE'S ACTUALLY KIND TO ME. SHE ALWAYS TELLS ME, WE, SHE SAYS WE NEED MORE HELP BECAUSE SHE, WE, WE, YOU, WE ARE ALWAYS JUMPING IF, IF THEY NEED SOMETHING AND SHE'S VERY, VERY KIND AND SAYS, HEY YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE TO MAKE IT LIKE RIGHT NOW. BUT WE TRY TO MAKE THINGS MOVE AS QUICK AS WE CAN. AND, AND MONEY IS, AND MONEY AND PERSONNEL IS USUALLY THE, THE TOUGHEST FOR US. ANYBODY ELSE ON THAT BUDGET? UM, ALRIGHT. WHERE WOULD YOU LIKE TO MIGRATE NEXT IN THE BUILDINGS OR, I KNOW TIFFANY MENTIONED THAT SOMEWHAT AND, AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S GONNA BE A, A SHIFT THIS YEAR. UM, BUT VERY SIMILARLY, YOU KNOW, I, I DIDN'T ASK FOR A WHOLE LOT THERE OTHER THAN, UM, YOU KNOW, I BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND BUILDING REPAIRS. UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A ISSUE THIS WEEK IN, IN COURT HOLDING THAT EXTENDS TO THE COURTHOUSE THAT IS UNDER THE GROUND AND IT'S GOING TO BE CUTTING THE CONCRETE AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO WORK NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS SO THAT THEY CAN CONTINUE TO HAVE COURT. UM, WE GOT A LOT OF FACILITIES, I I PROBABLY SHOULD START NUMBER THEM THAT WERE REMODELED OR, OR REMADE THAT CAST IRON UNDER THE GROUND. IT, I MEAN, LOOKING BACK IT PROBABLY WOULD'VE BEEN A LOT CHEAPER TO CUT EVERYTHING UP AT THAT TIME. AND WE KEEP RUNNING INTO THESE THINGS AND I MEAN, IT'S $73,000 IS OUR, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATE. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET, IF I DON'T HAVE ANY BUILDING MAINTENANCE MONEY OR BUILDING REPAIR MONEY, UM, YOU KNOW WHAT, IT'S, IT'S TOUGH. I GOTTA COME AND ASK ALYSSA OR THE BOARD EVERY TIME THAT WE HAVE SOMETHING BLOW UP. UM, IF IT'S A-H-V-A-C OR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN YOU'RE, YOU GOTTA HAVE A CRANE FOR MOST OF THESE BUILDINGS. I MEAN, YOU'RE $20,000 EASY, UM, FOR A NEW UNIT. AND IF THERE'S NO MONEY THEN WE'RE, WE'RE KNOCKING ON THE DOOR TO SEE, HEY, WHAT DID WE DO? UM, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE WE, WE HAVE TO, UM, REACH OUT TO A CONTRACTOR AND THEY GOTTA HAVE A CRANE AND, UM, EQUIPMENT'S GOTTA BE REPLACED. UM, SIMILARLY, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I KNOW WE'LL GET TO CAPITAL, BUT YOU KNOW, WE, I'VE BEEN HARPING ABOUT ROOFS AND HVAC FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND IF WE DON'T DO SOMETHING, WE'RE JUST, I'M, I'M, I MEAN REALLY WHAT I'M ASKING FOR MAINTENANCE REALLY SHOULD BE, YOU KNOW, CAPITAL MONEY OR ASSET REPLACEMENTS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT THAT WE, THAT WE, YOU KNOW, WE GET THESE THINGS DONE. THIS ROOF HERE, I MEAN, IT'S ON THE LIST. I SENT DR. MARTIN, UM, ONE OF OUR TASKS WAS TO UPDATE. I'M, I'M GONNA MEET WITH GARLAND, UM, HERE NEXT WEEK I THINK. AND UM, BUT WE GOT AN UPDATE ON, ON SOME OF OUR ROOF SYSTEMS. AND THIS ONE, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN ON THE LIST FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS. UM, WE'VE HAD, YOU KNOW, DRUMS OUT HERE IN THE HALL AND TRASH CANS OVER THE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. AND I'VE BEEN HERE ALMOST 15 YEARS. SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING AT HERE. UM, AND YOU KNOW, MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING. ED CUT. I MEAN YOU, YOU'RE, IF YOU'RE BUYING ALL THOSE SUPPLIES FOR ALL THE BUILDINGS, YOU KNOW, YOU, AGAIN, THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, I MEAN, YOU CAN BE THRIFTY, BUT I MEAN, TOILET PAPER DON'T GO DOWN EITHER. UH, PAPER TOWELS DON'T CONTINUE TO DROP. I MEAN WE USE, YOU KNOW, DONNA DOES SEARCH AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, LOOK FOR GOOD BUYS ON STUFF. BUT YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING REPAIRS, THE BUILDING MAINTENANCE AND THE SUPPLIES, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE CAN, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN TELL ME I GOT $5 AND I CAN SPEND THAT $5 A DAY OR 50 GRAND AND I CAN ONLY GO AS FAR AS IT'LL GO. SO I REALLY HAVEN'T ASKED A WHOLE LOT. I KNOW, AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE MORE ADJUSTMENTS AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH PARKS, BUT YOU KNOW, SOME OF THE THINGS WE'VE SEEN, AND A MAJORITY OF THIS BOARD JUST LIKE, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC SAFETY, WHICH IS OUR MOST MODERN BUILDING, YOU KNOW, A CHILLER REPAIR IS USUALLY 15 OR 20 GRAND EASY IF YOU'RE NOT REPLACING EVERYTHING. AND, UM, EMERGENCY, UH, GENERATOR RENTAL, YOU KNOW, LIKE FOR THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. 'CAUSE WE HAVE A HAD A LOT OF POWER OUTAGES AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE DID NOT WANT TO BE, YOU KNOW, LOOKING, HEY, WHAT'D Y'ALL DO HERE? I MEAN, MATTHEW WAS CONCERNED, BUT YOU KNOW, TO WIRE UP THE BUILDING TO HAVE IT READY TO PUT A BACKUP GENERATOR. I MEAN THAT WAS 15 GRAND. WIRE IT UP TO GET YOU GENERATOR, HAVE IT RENTED TO BE READY TO GO. I MEAN, SO AGAIN, [00:50:01] I MEAN THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT COST A LOT OF MONEY. YOU KNOW, THE UP ON THE HILL, I MEAN, WE SPENT A HALF MILLION DOLLARS TO UPDATE THAT SYSTEM. AND, AND I MEAN IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THE NEWER BUILDINGS, SO, YOU KNOW, THE OLD BUILDINGS, I MEAN WE, I MEAN I, I ACTUALLY LIKE THE OLD BUILDINGS. I, I SAY WE'RE BETTER OFF WITH A CHEVROLET THAN A CADILLAC, BUT, UM, THAT'S JUST ME. BUT I LIKE FIND IF WE COULD FIND SOMEONE THAT SELLS 1970S RADIOS, MAYBE WE COULD GO BACK TO THAT. WELL, YEP. SO NOT A LOT. NOT A LOT TO ASK. YEAH. SOLDERING WIRES TO REPAIR. RIGHT. JUST GO DOWN THERE. SAM WILL HELP YOU, I'M SURE. MM-HMM . DOWN THE HALL. SAM LOVES RADIOS. IF, UH, I KNOW YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE IN THAT COURTHOUSE BUILDING AGAIN WITH THAT, UM, SOME METAL CAST IRON COLLAPSING AND STUFF, IF, IF Y'ALL GET INTO THAT AND UH, I DO HAVE A CAMERA LOCATOR NOW. UM, IF Y'ALL GET DOWN THERE AND DON'T, YOU KNOW, OKAY. I CANNOT DID NOT KNOW THAT. WELL THEY, THEY WERE CAMERON AND LOCATING ALREADY AS PART OF YEAH, I'M, I'M, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET, I KNOW THEY RIGHT, YOU'RE PROBABLY DOING THAT INSPECTION NOW, BUT YOU GET, YOU KNOW, YOU START HERE AND WHERE'S THAT PIPE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT WALL AND RIGHT. YOU KNOW, YOU DIGGING A HOLE IN THE WRONG PLACE. I'VE DONE IT BEFORE. RIGHT. BUT I, I DO HAVE, UH, IF Y'ALL GET STUCK IN A PINCH OR SOMETHING. OKAY. UH, CALL ME. I I I GOT ONE NOW, SO. GOTCHA. SO WHAT, WHAT PART OF THE, WHICH FLOOR ARE YOU COURT HOLDING? OH, SO IN THE OLD COURT HOLDING, BUT WHEN IT WAS BUILT DURING THE, THE, LIKE THE, UM, I THINK THE CLEAN OUT AND IS COMING BACK RIGHT THERE TO UH, I GUESS IT'S GENERAL, IT'S ANN'S COURT NOW, I GUESS RIGHT THERE. IT'S COMING BACK TO THAT COURT. THERE'S A, THERE'S A CLEAN OUT THERE 'CAUSE THE, WHERE THAT CLOSET IS BETWEEN JUDGE COLLINS COURTROOM. YEAH. OH LORD. YEAH. SO, BUT I MEAN, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE BETTER. I MEAN, THEY WERE JETTING OUT 'CAUSE THEY, THEY WERE JETTING IT OUT TO TRY TO GET 'EM A LITTLE TIME SO WE COULD WORK WITH THEM. I DON'T HAVE THE FINAL YET, BUT I'M THINKING IT'LL BE NEXT WEEK. THEY'LL WORK A NIGHT OVER THE WEEKEND AND TRY TO GET THROUGH. BUT THEY GOTTA WORK WITH THE JUDGE AND, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE CAN, UH, MAKE MODIFICATIONS AND JUSTICE NEEDED. 'CAUSE WE CAN'T BE JACK HAMMERING WHILE THEY'RE HAVING COURT . YEAH. THAT'S NOT, SO IT COST US MORE MONEY. I MEAN, AGAIN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN A LONG TIME AGO. BETTER SERVICE TO, WE WOULD'VE BEEN BETTER SERVED TO GO AHEAD AND DUG IT UP AND FIX IT WHEN WE REDID EVERYTHING, BUT, WOW. SO IS, HAS IT FLOODED IN THERE OR JUST THEY THEY WERE NOT. THEY WERE, IT WAS BUBBLING UP AND I DON'T, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TOILETS FOR WELL, AND OF COURSE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE DEPUTIES OVER THERE AND THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE THAT'LL AFFECT THE INMATES AND IF WE DON'T HAVE THAT, UM, THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT GOOD EITHER. UM, BUT HOPING WE WILL GET THAT ACCOMPLISHED HERE IN THE NEXT WEEK. NO, I KNOW HE WAS VERY GOOD TO WORK WITH ON THAT LAST PROJECT. SO IT'S JUST A YEAH, YEAH. THEY'RE, THEY, THEY'RE USUALLY GOOD. UM, AS LONG AS THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON. AND DONNA'S USUALLY REALLY GOOD AT, YOU KNOW, LETTING 'EM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING AS WELL. OKAY. I DON'T KNOW. ANY QUESTIONS THERE? UM, REFUSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY BABY SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE. THAT'S WHERE I STARTED. UM, AND I MEAN THIS, THIS IS A BIG BUDGET ON ITS OWN. UM, BUT ALL THE REALLY, ALL THE DOLLARS THERE ARE, UM, WITHIN NUMBERS AGAIN THAT HAVE BEEN CUT DOWN. I MEAN, I, I WAS LOOKING AT LAST YEAR, UM, AND YOU KNOW, LIKE YOUR COMPACTOR SITE LAST YEAR, WHAT'S SHOWING IN, AND I KNOW WE'RE NOT FINISHED WITH AUDIT, BUT WHAT WAS SHOWING FINAL WAS 451,000 AND OUR MINUTE BUDGET WAS 300. UM, AND THAT COMPACTOR SITE COVERS EVERYTHING. PULLED ALL YOUR TRASH COMPACTORS. AND I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT THOSE NUMBERS, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU, UM, WHAT THEY ARE, BUT YOU KNOW, EVERY ONE OF THOSE NUMBERS, RECYCLING EXPENSES, SOLID WASTE DISPOSAL, THE ONLY ONE THAT WAS NOT GROSSLY UNDER WAS THE, UM, THE HAULING EXPENSE. AND, AND I ANTICIPATE, I MEAN THAT'S ONE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE TO ALWAYS CONSIDER EVERY YEAR WE HAVE A CPI ADJUSTMENT ON OUR CONTRACTS. AND THEN THE OTHER PORTION OF THAT IS, YOU KNOW, THE ECONOMY WILL AFFECT IT. AND HOW, AND, AND THE CHANGE THAT WE SAW IN THIS, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T HAVE A FULL YEAR WAS, UM, PAGE COUNTY WANTED OUR CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL SEGREGATED FROM OUR MSW. AND THAT WAS THE REASON LAST YEAR WE RAISED OUR TIPPING FEE. AND, UM, AND WE RAISED IT ACROSS THE BOARD BECAUSE WE PAY $35 AT THE LANDFILL FROM MSW, WE PAY $60 PER TON FOR CONSTRUCTION AND DEMOLITION MATERIAL. UM, IT, I WASN'T SURE IF WE WERE GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE IT ON THE FLOOR BECAUSE IT, IT DOES REQUIRE MORE TIME. THEY HAVE TO SEGREGATE AS THEY [00:55:01] OPERATE. AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY FILL UP ON CONSTRUCTION, THEY GOTTA MOVE A TRAILER OUT AND BRING ANOTHER TRAILER IN. SO, YOU KNOW, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF HANDS THERE, AND WE'VE LIKE OTH OTHER PLACES WE'VE FACED, YOU KNOW, SHORTAGES OF PERSONNEL. UM, AND, AND IT DID AFFECT US, BUT IT ALSO GOES WHEN YOU GET INTO CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, WE'RE USUALLY REALLY GOOD OVER THE YEARS. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DID WAS, YOU KNOW, WE WATCH OUR TONS PER LOAD AND WE TRY TO MAXIMUM OUT LEGALLY. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WITH CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, IT'S NOT AS EASY TO, TO GET THAT COMPACTION AND GET A HEAVY LOAD. I MEAN, WE'RE USUALLY AVERAGING AT LEAST 21 TONS OF LOAD. BUT WHEN WE GET TO CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, I'VE SEEN SOME LOADS. IT MIGHT BE 12 TONS, SOME MIGHT BE 15 TON. IT'S TOUGH. YEAH. YOU KNOW, TO GET THAT THE SAME PLACE. SO I, I FEEL LIKE IF I DON'T LEAVE A LITTLE BIT OF PLANE THAT HAULING JUST BECAUSE OF THAT, THEN WE COULD BE IN TROUBLE. UM, THE OTHER THING IS, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE SILO WASTE WORLD, AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, UNLESS SOMETHING BLOWS UP OR SHUTS DOWN, I'M USUALLY NOT CALLED IN HERE TO TALK ABOUT TRASH. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH THE CLOSED LANDFILL, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, THERE'S ALWAYS POTENTIAL FOR ADDITIONAL ACTIVITIES. UM, AND, AND WE ALWAYS HAVE TO REALIZE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LOT OF MOVING PARTS AND, AND, AND EQUIPMENT AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S AN EXPENSIVE JOB. UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY THINK THAT, I MEAN, THE, THE OTHER THINGS WERE JUST KIND OF, HEY, WE, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WE WERE UNDERFUNDED OR WE WERE CUT LAST YEAR. THEY WERE JUST SMALL ITEMS. UM, QUICK QUESTION ON YES SIR. ON PAGE UHHUH, , ARE WE STILL IN A BACK AND FORTH WITH THEM ON THE AGREEMENT OR ARE WE, WE, WE ARE JUST PAYING THEIR RATE THAT THEY ADVERTISE AND WE'RE HAVING NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. I SAW THEIR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THE REGIONAL COMMISSION, I DON'T KNOW, A MONTH OR TWO AGO. WE HAD A, THEY WERE JUST DOING IN THEIR NEW BUILDING, THEY WERE DOING A, HEY, HERE WE ARE. THIS IS WHAT WE OFFER. MM-HMM . AND, AND I HADN'T, I MEAN, I HAD A COUPLE TIMES WE WERE TRYING TO SCHEDULE A MEETING, BUT I NEVER REALLY HAD ONE-ON-ONE WITH HER. AND WE HAD A VERY GOOD TALK MM-HMM . AND, YOU KNOW, IT SEEMS LIKE THINGS ARE FLOWING SMOOTHLY FOR THEM. GOOD. UM, AND UM, SO I TAKE THAT AS A GOOD THING. YEAH. AND THEN WE HAD THAT LIABILITY QUESTION TOO. LIKE, IF, IF ANY OF OUR TRASH DAMAGE THEIR EQUIPMENT, THERE WERE BIG PENALTIES AND I THOUGHT WE WERE WORKING ON THAT. OH, WE HAVE. I, I DON'T, I THINK THAT WAS, I THINK HONESTLY, I BELIEVE A LOT OF THAT TENSION WAS MISUNDERSTANDING AND PERSONALITY BASED TENSION. MM-HMM . OKAY. UM, SO WE'VE MOVED ON AND I HAVEN'T HAD ANY ISSUE AT ALL. NO NOTIFICATIONS FROM THEM. I WOULD ASSUME IF SHE HAD ME ONE-ON-ONE, SHE WOULD TELL ME IF SHE HAD A PROBLEM AND WOULDN'T TELL ME OTHERWISE. OKAY. UM, BUT YEAH, DOING GOOD THERE. YEAH. THANKS. I'D RATHER MIX IT ALL TOGETHER, BUT IF THEY'RE HAPPY, WE'LL KEEP SEGREGATING. MM-HMM . IT'S GOING IN THE SAME PLACE. UM, ANY QUESTIONS ON NUMBERS? LANDFILL, TONNAGE? I'M STILL WORKING ON THE RECYCLE REPORT THAT'S DUE THIS MONTH. I GOTTA DO OUR STATE REPORT. I MEAN, STATEWIDE, I REPORT PHYSICAL GEAR, NOT FISCAL. UM, WE LANDFILL OVER 35,000 TONS LAST YEAR, OF COURSE. THEN WE'LL HAVE, UM, RECYCLING MATERIALS THAT WE HANDLE AT THE, UH, TRANSFER STATION OIL. UM, THE, THE BRUSH, I MEAN, WE WILL, WE WILL BE AT LEAST 40,000 TON OF MATERIAL, UM, HANDLED THROUGH THERE. AND WHICH, SO WE MOVE A LOT OF MATERIAL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND ONE THING, I KNOW WE TALK A LOT ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES, BUT YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GET INTO REAL DISASTERS, I MEAN, USUALLY THEY ARE CONTACTING, THEY'RE CHECKING ON YOUR SIDE OF WASTE AND WHERE YOU GO AND WHAT YOU CAN TAKE AND WHAT YOUR HOURS ARE. SO A LOT OF THINGS WE DO DO TOUCH WHEN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS, OUR EQUIPMENT. UM, WE HELPED WITH THE FIRES WHEN WE HAD THE WILDFIRES. AND, UM, WE DON'T HAVE A DEEP TEAM, BUT I MEAN, WE ALWAYS TRY TO REACH OUT AND HELP WHEN WE CAN. ANY QUESTIONS ON TRASH? MR. CARTER? YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON IT A LITTLE BIT, AND I WAS JUST CURIOUS. I KNOW WAY BACK IN THE DAY, I THINK THE STATE MANDATED LOCALITIES HAD TO RECYCLE AT LEAST 25. AND I KNOW IT KEEPS MONEY THAT KEEPS MATERIAL OUTTA THE LANDFILL. YEP. WHICH KE UH, WHICH, WHICH SAVES US MONEY. BUT I DON'T KNOW. LIKE I SAID, I THINK THE ONLY THING IT MAYBE YOU GET PAID FOR MIGHT BE ALUMINUM, UH, ALUMINUM. SCRAP METAL. SCRAP METAL. OKAY. SO WHAT THE, THE REST OF IT, I GUESS IT GOES TO RECYCLING PLACE AND THEY AT LEAST RECYCLE IT. YEP. EVERYTHING IS RECYCLED. YES, SIR. BUT IT, BUT I GUESS IT'S ACTUALLY A, A NET COST. YEAH. OKAY. TYPICALLY, AND YOU'LL NOTICE OVER THE YEARS AND, AND WE USED TO HAVE THREE DIFFERENT BUDGETS, AND THEN WE GOT ALL THESE THOUSAND CODES, AND THEN WE COMBINED THEM TO ONE. AND I, AND I THINK THAT WAS PROBABLY NOT WISE OF ME. 'CAUSE I NOTICED, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF HIT ON SOME FUNDING DOING [01:00:01] THAT. BUT, UM, IF YOU, IF YOU PULL OUT LIKE YOUR COMPACTOR, WELL, YOU'LL SEE THE COMPACTOR SITE. I'M ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FOR RECYCLING. AND I TOLD THE BOARD THAT YEARS AGO, EVENTUALLY IT'S GONNA COST MORE TO RECYCLE, WHICH IS GOOD AND BAD BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE DOING A GOOD THING FOR THE ENVIRONMENT. BUT THE COST IS MORE, I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE HAVE SINGLE STREAM RECYCLE, YOU'RE CARRYING THAT CAN, YOU KNOW, EITHER WAY. BUT I MEAN, IF WE'RE CARRYING IT THERE FOR A WHILE, WE'RE CARRYING EVERYTHING IN MANASSAS BECAUSE OVER IN WINCHESTER, UM, SOUTHERN SCRAPS SHUT DOWN. AND, AND AT THAT POINT THERE WAS NO CARDBOARD ANYWHERE HERE. SO NOW WE ARE TAKING OUR CARDBOARD TO WINCHESTER, UM, RIDGERUNNER CONTAINER SERVICES. ROSS KIND OF STEPPED OUT IN FAITH AND STARTED HIS OWN BUSINESS UP AND HE'S, HE'S CONTINUING, UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY KNOWS ROSS SCHUIT, BUT ROSS AND HIS FAMILY BEEN IN, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE IN THE AG BUSINESS AND THEY'VE BEEN IN THE TRASH BUSINESS A LONG TIME. BUT, UM, HE STARTED HIS OWN RECYCLE FACILITY AND HE'S BEGINNING TO TAKE MORE STUFF. UM, LIKE I THINK THE TOWN'S SHIFTING A LOT OF THEIR MATERIALS THERE. NOW. WE TAKE OUR CARDBOARD THERE NOW. UM, AND, YOU KNOW, REPUBLIC SERVICES IS A BIG COMPANY, BUT YOU KNOW, EVEN FOR THEM, IF THEY GOTTA HAUL FURTHER, THEY'RE GONNA CHARGE US MORE. YOU KNOW, SO, I MEAN, THEY'RE, I THINK IT, IT REALLY GOES WITH THE MARKET. BUT METAL AND SCRAP IS REALLY WHERE WE'RE MAKING MONEY. UM, WHERE DO YOU TAKE THE METAL AT? WHERE DO YOU TAKE THE METAL? WE HAVE, UM, WELL IN BENTONVILLE, WE, WE TAKE IT TO, UH, RECYCLE MAN. RECYCLE MANAGEMENT ACTUALLY COMES IN AND PICKS IT UP. AND THEN, UM, WE HAVE, UH, WINCHESTER SCRAP AS WELL. SO IT REALLY DEPENDS ON WHERE IT'S AT. IF WE GET OVER, YOU KNOW, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT POTENTIALLY BRINGING IT TO BENTONVILLE, YOU KNOW, SO WE TRY TO THINK OF WAYS WE CAN MAKE MORE MONEY OR IMPROVE THINGS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO ALWAYS CONSIDER TIMING, YOU KNOW, HOW, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THOSE GUYS ARE HAVING ISSUES AT TIMES WITH PERSONNEL AS WELL, WHEN, AND TRUCK DRIVERS AND, AND YOU KNOW, IF WE GET BEHIND BECAUSE WE'RE LOADED UP AND PEOPLE GET FRUSTRATED, UM, AND, AND IT HAPPENS SOMETIMES. SO THE, THE BIG TRUCKS REPUBLIC OR RIDGE RUNNER TAKES THOSE, OR REPUBLIC THE, THE, THE SAME ONES THAT PULL THE COMPACTORS. OKAY. WE'LL PICK 'EM UP. YEP. THE ONLY THING THAT THEY HAUL NOW, OUR GLASS IS, YOU KNOW, AND I HAD THIS QUESTION THIS WEEK. IT CAME THROUGH THE TOWN LOOKED LIKE IT WAS THROUGH AN ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP OR THE LITTER COUNCIL, LIKE GLASS. WE'VE ALWAYS TAKEN TO THE LANDFILL. THEY USE IT AS A DAILY COVER, ALTERNATIVE DAILY COVER. AND WE DO RECEIVE RECYCLE CREDIT, BUT IT GOES TO THE LANDFILL. UM, THERE'S NOBODY THAT WANTS TO REMANUFACTURE GLASS AROUND HERE UNLESS WE WANT TO PAY BUKU BUCKS. I MEAN, THE TOWN DOESN'T TAKE GLASS. FREDERICK COUNTY DOESN'T TAKE GLASS, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, IT'S NOT COSTING US MORE MONEY, UM, FOR GLASS, BUT IT DOES GO IN THE LANDFILL. OKAY. DID YOU, I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT, BUT YOU JUST SAY, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE SPENDING HALF MILLION DOLLARS ON THE RECYCLING? WHAT ARE WE SPEND? SO, UM, PLASTIC, CARDBOARD, EVEN THE MATERIALS MR. CARTER ASKED ABOUT, SO YOUR ALUMINUM CANS, YOUR TIN CANS, YOUR SCRAP METAL, ANYTHING THAT IS HAULED, WHETHER IT BE TRASH OR RECYCLE, IT'S, THERE'S A COST EVERY TIME THEY HOOK TO THAT THING. YEP. WE HAVE TO DO IT. DO WE HAVE TO RECYCLE? WE DO. WELL, MR. CARTER MENTIONED THE STATE MANDATE. THERE IS A STATE MANDATE OF 25% RECYCLING WITHIN A, A JURISDICTION. AND WE, WE REPORT AS A REGION, UM, THERE WERE SOME SMALLER TOWNS IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA THAT DIS BASICALLY DISOBEYED RECYCLING AT CURBSIDE BECAUSE OF NUMBER ONE, YOU KNOW, IT COST THEM TOO MUCH WHEN THE ECONOMY CHANGED. AND, UM, RIGHT NOW THE REGIONAL COMMISSION IS ACTUALLY WORKING ON A SWIFFER GRANT, WHICH WE'RE A PART OF. UM, AND HOPEFULLY WE ARE GONNA GET SOME CANS. WE RENT A LOT OF CANS. UM, AT THE TIME THAT I APPLIED, I FIGURED IT WOULD SAVE US ABOUT $60,000 ANNUALLY SO THAT THE, THE REGION HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR A GRANT. PART OF THAT GRANT'S ALSO FOR RECYCLING IN, IN THE AREA TO HELP THOSE SMALL TOWNS THAT GOT RID OF THE CURBSIDE RECYCLING. CAN WE THROW IT IN THE TRASH? PROBABLY. WOULD IT BE POPULAR? NO. UM, AND, AND LANDFILL MIGHT SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOUR CARDBOARD. UM, OR THEY, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY TAKE THEIR CARDBOARD OUT IN PAGE COUNTY. THEY DO NOT LANDFILL IT, BUT CARDBOARD, I, I THINK CARDBOARD, I MEAN, THAT'S ONE THAT YOU'LL PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, THE REBATE CAN MOVE AGAIN. UM, WE USED TO GET, WHEN I STARTED, WE GOT PAID FOR NEWSPAPERS. BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT COMPANY WENT OUTTA BUSINESS TOO. DO WE, I KNOW I WENT OVER TO FREDERICK COUNTY'S LANDFILL FOR, I THINK THAT [01:05:01] WAS THE, THE PROGRAM PROGRAM THAT WENT THROUGH THE REGIONAL COMMISSION THAT, UM, TIRES SHREDDER THAT. YEP. ARE THEY, DOES IS THAT ACTIVE? THEY STILL HAVE THAT. WE'RE STILL PART OF THE PROGRAM. UM, SO WE, WE ARE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM. AND IF IT EV WOULD EVER DISBAND, I'D ASSUME WE'D PROBABLY BE PART OF THE BENEFIT. BUT I MEAN, THAT THING IS EXPENSIVE AND, UH, DO WE GET CHARGED IF WE TAKE, NOT, IT'S TOO EXPENSIVE. WE GET CHARGED A RATE FOR PROCESSING TIRES. UM, BUT THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN TAKE TO FREDERICK COUNTY. YEAH, I'D, I WISHED WE WOULD'VE JOINED PART AND BEEN PART OF THAT LANDFILL MANY YEARS AGO AND HAD THAT AS A, AS A PLACE TO DUMP. YOU COULD HAVE PUT A, A TRANSPORTATION STATION ON THE SIDE OF TOWN AND JUST WENT ON. BUT WE CAN'T TAKE TRASH THERE. THEY'RE NOT PERMITTED. BUT BECAUSE WE'RE PART OF THAT PROCESS MM-HMM . WE HAVE AN OUTLET FOR TIRES. YOU DO GET SOME JOCKEYS EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE, COME OUTTA WEST VIRGINIA OR ELSEWHERE AND THEY'LL WANT TO SAY, HEY, I'M GONNA PICK UP YOUR TIRES. AND THEN THEY'LL WANNA DUMP 'EM ON US. YOU KNOW, THEY'LL CHARGE SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW, A DOLLAR AND THEN THEY'LL WANNA BRING 'EM TO US. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE DON'T, WE, WE ONLY TAKE RESIDENTIAL BASICALLY AT THIS POINT. OKAY. I, I KNEW THAT WAS OVER THERE, BUT I WASN'T SURE IF WE GOT CHARGED A FEE SINCE WE WERE IN THAT REGIONAL, HOW THAT WORKED. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. WE DO. YEP. JUST AS FAR AS RECYCLING TOO. I KNOW WE NEED TO DO IT OR WE SHOULD DO IT TO HELP THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT IF WE JUST TOOK IT ALL THE LANDFILL, THERE'S GONNA BE A COST THERE TOO. IS THERE, WOULD THAT BE MORE? UM, I WOULD SAY PROBABLY BECAUSE OKAY. LIKE CARDBOARD, YOU'RE, IT'S GONNA BE WORSE THAN CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL. YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANY COMPACTION. RIGHT. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE LIGHT, LIGHT LOADS. UM, YOU'RE GONNA, AND WE WOULD, UNLESS WE WERE, IF WE HAULED, JUST SAY WE WERE GONNA HAUL FROM SHENDO FARMS, AND WE DON'T HAVE A COMPACTOR THERE, BUT IF ONE DAY, IF WE DO ALL THE WAY TO BATTLE CREEK, THAT'S GONNA BE HUGE AMOUNT OF, UH, OF TRUCKING. AND THEN IF WE TRUCK IT TO BENTONVILLE, THEN WE'RE GONNA BE FILLING UP A LIGHT LOAD, THEN WE'RE GONNA ADD ON AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DOUBLE TOUCH. SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE CHEAPER THERE EITHER. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, IT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE KIND OF, WE, WE WILL THROW SOME REVENUE. I MEAN, I, I, I DON'T HAVE THE NUMBER ON ME, BUT YOU KNOW, WE'RE PROBABLY, WELL, I ACTUALLY, I DO THROUGH FEBRUARY 50,000, WE HAVE 97,000, UM, IN RECYCLE REVENUE. UM, 'CAUSE I DID WRITE THAT DOWN, SO THROUGH JULY, THROUGH FEBRUARY. AND YOU BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE CARDBOARD. UH, 'CAUSE I GUESS WHEN I GO TO THE CONVENIENCE CENTER THAT THE CARDBOARD DUMPSTERS SEEM TO FILL UP THE QUICKEST. I GUESS THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE VOLUME AND SUCH, RIGHT? YEAH, THEY DO. THEY FILL UP AND YOU JUST CAN'T GET A LOT IN THERE. NO. YEAH. AND I WOULD IMAGINE A LOT OF THE CARDBOARD COMES FROM AMAZON, SO MAYBE CUT A DEAL WITH THEM TO TAKE IT BACK. . RIGHT. AND, AND THAT'S ANOTHER REASON THAT YOU SEE AN INCREASE IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE GETTING DELIVERY AFTER DELIVERY AFTER DELIVERY. AND MAN AND CO COVID WAS AN ANOMALY AND IT REALLY SPIKED THEN TRASH AND, AND RECYCLING AND YEAH. I MEAN, BUT IT, IT CONTINUES. I MEAN, AS OUR COUNTY GROWS, WILL CONTINUE TO GROW. WHEN I STARTED HERE, I DID A STUDY FOR 10 YEARS. WE WERE 30,000 TONS FLAT. RIGHT. AND I MEAN, WE DO MORE NOW THAN WE DID IN THE CONSTRUCTION BOOM. I MEAN, AND WE'RE SITTING AT, YOU KNOW, AND WE'RE SITTING CLOSER AND CLOSER TO 40,000. IT USUALLY TRENDS WITH OUR POPULATION NUMBERS. YEAH. NO, NEAR THE AMAZON EFFECT IS IT COSTS US FOR TRASH. IT, IT, THE NUMBER OF TRUCKS ON THE ROADS IS KILLING THE SANITARY DISTRICTS TOO, BECAUSE EVERYONE'S GOT AN AMAZON TRUCK COMING EVERY DAY PRETTY MUCH. RIGHT. OR ONCE A WEEK AT LEAST, YOU KNOW. YEAH. BUT IT HAS BROUGHT IN AND SOME OF 'EM HAVE WENT OUT, SOME SMALL CONTRACTORS. I MEAN, 'CAUSE THERE'S FOLKS THAT HAVE FUSSED ABOUT TRUCKS ON THE MOUNTAIN, AND THERE'S FOLKS THAT NOW HAVE THEIR ROLL OFFS ON THE SIDE OF A MOUNTAIN. YEAH. AND I SEE 'EM IN CDO FARMS. I SEE 'EM IN BROWNTOWN A MILE FROM THE DUMP AND SOMEBODY'S COMING BY AND PICKING UP A ROLL OFF. YEP. BUT THERE WAS A TIME WE DIDN'T CHARGE, 'CAUSE WE HAD A COUPLE OF FELLOWS WITH PICKUPS AND THE BOARD MADE A DECISION, WE'RE NOT GONNA CHARGE 'EM. AND THEN DR. DALEY, WE, WE CHANGED THAT. AND IF YOU, IF YOU OPERATE IN THE COUNTY, YOU'RE PAYING FULL PRICE FOR PICKING UP TRASH AND BRINGING IT DOWN. SO THAT WAS PART OF THE DISCUSSION. AND I'M, AND I'M NOT IN ANY MEANS BEATING UP ON THE TOWN, BUT THAT WAS PART OF OUR DISCUSSION WHEN WE CAME UP WITH A MUNICIPAL RATE. UM, WE CHARGE, IF A VENDOR, IF YOU KNOW, YOU HENRY DECIDES I'M GOING IN THE TRASH BUSINESS, WE'RE GONNA CHARGE HIM $79 A TON FOR PICKING UP ON SIX 19. WOULD WOULD IT BE JUST KIND OF BE FAIR TO SAY THAT WE'RE, WE'RE DEFINITELY NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, UH, RECYCLING, BUT AT LEAST IT'S WITH THE OFFSET OF THE RETURN COST. AT LEAST IT'S NOT COSTING US TO RECYCLE. I THINK IT'S, I DON'T THINK IT'S COSTING US, YOU KNOW, REALLY GREATER THAN WASTE RIGHT NOW. THE THING THAT WE HAD THAT A LOT OF THE JURISDICTIONS DIDN'T LIKE A FREDERICK COUNTY, WHEN WE LOST, UM, SOUTHERN SCRAP, [01:10:01] THEY WERE HAULING A LOT OF THEIR STUFF TO HAGERSTOWN OR WEST VIRGINIA. WARREN COUNTY ALREADY HAD NO LANDFILL. WE WERE HAULING EVERYTHING ALREADY. SO GOING A LITTLE FURTHER IN A HAUL WAS MUCH LESS IMPACT THAN THE OTHER FOLKS SAW THAT WERE GOING TO WINCHESTER, ESPECIALLY AT FREDERICK COUNTY WHO HAD A LANDFILL. UH OH, NOW WE GOTTA DO SOMETHING. AND THAT'S WHERE ROSS SAYS, REALLY, WITH RIDGERUNNER HAS MADE A DIFFERENCE. UH, COUPLE, COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT YOU BROUGHT UP. EXCUSE ME. YEAH. UM, THE CONVENIENCE CENTER AT NANOR FARMS. YEP. DOES THAT HAVE, AND THERE AGAIN, THIS IS FOR ANOTHER CONVERSATION, BUT DOES THAT HAVE A, UH, RECYCLING PLACE THERE? OR THAT'S NO, I DIDN'T THINK SO. THE ONLY THING THAT WE RECYCLE IS THE RESIDENTIAL PAINT AND OIL. OKAY. BECAUSE I KNOW, AGAIN, WE HAD LOOKED AT BUILDING ANOTHER CONVENIENCE CENTER DOWN THE ROAD ON VILLE ROAD, AND I GUESS THAT'S BEEN PUSHED ASIDE OR SCRAPPED AT THIS POINT. YES. OKAY. THAT WAS, THAT WAS A, SHE FARMS AND THAT WAS DURING THE DISASTROUS CHANGE OF EVERYTHING. TIME WHEN RIGHT. UM, THERE WAS GONNA BE A FACILITY ON ONE SIDE FOR THE SAN DISTRICT AND THEN A TRASH SITE ON THE OTHER. RIGHT. MY, MY, MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO BUY FLAT GROUND ALL THE TIME. RIGHT. THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ON THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN AND WORRY ABOUT SO MUCH DRAINAGE WITH THE EQ. UH, BUT RIGHT NOW, I THINK, WELL, AND I CAN, I MEAN, I CAN TELL YOU THE NUMBERS. OUR PRIORITY, WHICH HAS BEEN OUR PRIORITY FOR THE LAST 10 YEARS, OR AT LEAST MIKE'S, IS WE NEED A PIECE OF PROPERTY FOR THE COOLEY LOCATION. THE COOLEY LOCATION. WE, WE HAULED 369 COMPACTORS LAST YEAR, MORE THAN ONE EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. AND WE'RE NOT OPEN EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR. AND AT CHAND FARMS WE HAULED 160. SO THEY HAVE A, A I THINK LINDEN IS CLOSE ENOUGH FOR FOLKS TO RECYCLE. IT WOULD BE BETTER DOWN THE ROAD. RIGHT. I THINK THE DISCUSSIONS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, IF IT WILL BE BUILT ON THAT PIECE OF PROPERTY OR NOT. AND IF IT WOULD BE THEN THERE COULD BE. BUT IT, IT MIGHT BE INCONVENIENT. UM, THERE COULD BE A DISCUSSION OF CAN WE DO SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, ON THAT PROPERTY. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT WOULD WORK, BUT SO YOU'RE SUGGESTING WHEN YOU START CALLING THEM INCONVENIENCE CENTERS, IT'S AN INCONVENIENCE CENTER? YEP. UH, THE OTHER THING, ONE OF THE GOALS I AM TRYING TO DO, BECAUSE WE DO RENT MOST, PRETTY MUCH ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT, IS, YOU KNOW, I MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, TN AND I WORKED ON A PLAN. I THOUGHT IT LOOKED GREAT AT THE PARKING LOT. UM, VDOT WASN'T FOR THAT. I MEAN, AND I UNDERSTAND IT COST A LOT TO BUILD A PARKING LOT, BUT, UM, I WANT TO TRY TO SEE IF I CAN GET VDOT ON BOARD TO JUST TO ADD A SECOND COMPACTOR AT THAT LOCATION UNTIL WE FIND ANOTHER LOCATION. BECAUSE IF, ON A PLANNING SENSE, WE BUILT A SMALL TOWN AROUND A SINGLE COMPACTOR. THE COMPACTOR HAS BEEN THERE FOREVER, AND EVERYBODY FROM EVERYWHERE IS NOT BACKTRACKING THE FILL WEB BAG OF TRASH. AND WE'RE, THEY'RE GONNA TAKE IT TO COOLEY IF THEY'RE HEADING TO WALMART OR TARGET. AND THAT HAPPENS EVERY DAY, EVEN WHEN WE'RE CLOSED. THE OTHER THING ALONG THOSE LINES TOO IS I KNOW THAT THERE'S A, A LOT OF FOLKS THAT LIVE IN CLARK COUNTY THAT USE THAT CONVENIENCE CENTER, ARE WE STILL GETTING REIMBURSED ANY FROM, WE STILL, WE STILL CHARGE THEM QUARTERLY. YES, SIR. OKAY. YEP. OKAY. SO, AND THAT'S A, THAT'S A, A CONSTANT STREAM OF REVENUE THAT WE RECEIVED. OKAY. AND THAT'S, AND PROBABLY THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE TO REMEMBER IS MY ROLE CHANGES IS, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAVE, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE DEPUTIES CHANGE MORE THAN THEY USED TO. AND UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DON'T HAVE A STICKER ANYMORE. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WE KEPT THE DECAL. UM, THERE IS A COST TO IT, BUT WE HAVE EVERYBODY IN EVERY COUNTY AROUND US THAT WANTS TO BRING THEIR TRASH TO US. AND WE PAY TO SHIP IT TO BENTONVILLE AND THEN SHIP IT TO PAGE COUNTY. AND THE FOLKS IN FALK HERE, LINDEN AND THE PEOPLE FROM PAGE COUNTY, PAGE COUNTY FOLKS USED TO TELL THE CABIN PEOPLE TO BRING IT TO US. UM, DURING COVID, THEY WERE WANTING TO BRING IT TO US. AND NOT THAT WE WANTED BE BAD NEIGHBORS, BUT WE PAY THEM TO RECEIVE IT. UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON WE KEEP A DECAL. CLARK COUNTY NO LONGER DOES. SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO, EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE SAY, DEPUTIES, YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE YOU CHECK AT THAT LOCATION IF YOU KNOW THEY'RE RUNNING INTERFERENCE. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THEY DO EVERY DAY. BUT WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF ABUSE. COOLEY PEOPLE ABUSE THAT SITE. SHE FARMS IS PROBABLY NUMBER TWO. I, I NEVER THOUGHT I'D SAY IT, BUT I REALLY WOULD ONE DAY LIKE TO SEE IF WE BUILD A SITE, WE PUT A FENCE AROUND IT AND SAY, WHEN WE'RE CLOSED, WE'RE CLOSED. AND IF YOU DO SOMETHING BAD, THEN YOU SHOULD GET IN TROUBLE THE END. MM-HMM . UM, BUT THE BOARD HAS TO BE SUPPORTIVE AS SUCH. BUT I THINK OUR, OUR DEMOGRAPHIC HAS CHANGED AND WE CONTINUE TO GROW. WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GET THERE. 'CAUSE IT ALSO HELPS US CONTROL THE FLOW. UM, IF WE HAVE NO CONTROL OF THE FLOW, WE'RE IN TROUBLE. ANYTHING ELSE ON TRASH? [01:15:05] I DON'T THINK THE AIRPORT WAS IN THERE. THAT, THAT ONE'S PROBABLY THE BIG ASK OF THE, UM, DO Y'ALL HAVE THAT IN THERE IN YOUR PACKET? I DON'T THINK SO, NO. OKAY. SO, SO, UH, REFUGE REFUSE ISN'T GOING IN. IT'S WHAT? OH, YEAH. YES, SIR. YEP. YOU SAID 1,000,005 MILLION 9 24. YES, SIR. YEAH, IT'S GOING UP. YES, SIR. YEP. AIRPORT IS, UM, LINE BY LINE. NOT A LOT OF CHANGE, BUT, UM, THE THING THAT IS DIFFERENT IS WE HAVEN'T REALLY USED, AND I, AND I'M, I DON'T THINK I'M GONNA ASK THAT REPLACEMENT, BUT, UM, IN REGARDS TO CAPITAL, YOU KNOW, I KNOW SOME OF THE BOARD, I DID SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS BACK IN THE FALL. UM, WE GOT, WHICH, YOU KNOW, VERY THANKFUL OVER A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT FOR THE SITE WORK. OF COURSE WE HAD SOME PERMIT ISSUES, WEATHER DELAYS, THEY'RE DROPPING STUFF NOW. SO THAT SITE WORK IS ALREADY BUDGETED. AND THAT'S GRANT REIMBURSED. UM, TYPICALLY YOU DON'T DO HANGERS WITH GRANT MONEY, BUT WE HAD STARTED OUT AS BILL FUNDING THEN IIJA, UM, THE TRANSITION, THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONE PLACE THAT I HAVEN'T REALLY AGGRAVATED DR. MARTIN MUCH YET, BUT I TOLD HIM, NEED TO MOVE ON THIS. YOU KNOW, THE, AND, AND JOHN'S BEEN APART, , UM, THE HANGERS. UM, WE ARE, WE'RE READY. WE, I HAVE, YOU KNOW, AN ENGINEERING ESTIMATE COULD BE OVER. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, I MEAN MY ESTIMATE'S BASICALLY $2 MILLION. I HAVE $563,000 DEDICATED, UM, FEDERAL MONEY. SO, I MEAN, I'D REALLY LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND GET THE THING ON THE STREET AND GET REAL BIDS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, COME SINCE WE'RE DELAYED, I THINK IT WOULD HIT GOOD COME JULY ONE, WE'LL BE READY TO PUT SOMETHING UP, WHETHER IT'S ONE HANGER OR ALL OF THEM. UM, 'CAUSE I KNOW I CAN BUILD, I'M, WELL, I SHOULDN'T SAY, I KNOW I'M CONFIDENT. I CAN PROBABLY BUILD AT LEAST ONE FOR $563,000. IF I DON'T MOVE ON THAT FUNDING THIS YEAR, I'M GONNA LOSE $165,000 OF FREE MONEY. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SAY IT'S EASY TO SLIDE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT IT'S NOT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE THOSE PROJECTS APPROVED. AND, AND, YOU KNOW, I MEET WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. UM, DR. MARTIN WASN'T HERE WHEN WE MET, UM, WITH THE STATE AND DEFENSES. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE GO OVER OUR CAPITAL PLAN EVERY SINGLE YEAR. YOU KNOW, THAT PLAN WAS 20 YEARS. WE MEET ON FIVE YEAR PLANS AND, YOU KNOW, THAT'S PART OF OUR A CIP FOR THE YEAR. SO WE, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PLANNING. AND I HOPE THAT, YOU KNOW, IN SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I KNOW THAT THERE'LL BE DEBT SERVICE, THE TRANSITIONS, AND I'M, I'M JUST MENTIONING IT BECAUSE IT DOES AFFECT THIS PROJECT. I MEAN, DR. DALEY WAS KIND OF HELPING ME CHAMPION THIS. I ACTUALLY WAS WORKING WITH OUR, UM, OUR AIRPORT, UH, REGIONAL BOARD MEMBER. AND HE'S BEEN TO OUR AIRPORT TWICE. AND HE LIVES DOWN IN LIKE THE CHESAPEAKE, IN NORFOLK SIDE OF TOWN. UM, ACTUALLY HAD MISS OATES CALL ME AS WELL, UM, AND TALK TO ME. 'CAUSE SHE'S REALLY, UH, INTERESTED IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OF THE AIRPORT AND MENTIONED MAYBE COMING TO TALK ABOUT AT SOME POINT. BUT I SENT, DID SHE HAVE MONEY? I THINK DR. JAMESON ASKED ME WHEN I MENTIONED IT LAST YEAR, ABOUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACTS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GOT A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THE INFORMATION I SENT. UM, BUT I SENT, UH, EMAIL OUT TO EVERYBODY. THAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF THAT STUDY. I'M SORRY. YEP. THAT MADE A DIFFERENCE. THE STUDY. YEAH. WHEN DID YOU SEND THAT? IT'S, I IT HASN'T BEEN LONG. I'M SURE. WEREN'T YOU, YOU WERE ON, I I KNOW I COPIED. I DON'T REMEMBER GETTING IT, BUT, OKAY. I WAS A LITTLE GREEN AND SOME OF THIS EMAIL STUFF, I MIGHT HAVE MISSED IT. YEAH. SO THERE, THE FIRST PART OF IT, KIM, KIMBERLY HORN AND, AND THEY WERE MENTIONED EARLY. UM, WE DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANYTHING STATE OF VIRGINIA'S PAYING FOR THIS THING. UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROYAL, AND I MEAN, JUST LOOKING AT THE WHOLE STATE, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROYAL, THE JOBS THAT COME, AND THIS INCLUDES EVERYTHING THAT TOUCHES BASED ON THE ENGINEERS AND THEIR REVIEW IS 154 JOBS. THE WAGES IS OVER $9 MILLION. UM, THE, THE GSP, THE GROSS STATE PRODUCT, YOU KNOW, IS OVER 15 MILLION FROM OUR AIRPORT. AND THE TOTAL OUTPUT IS ALMOST 27 MILLION, UM, FROM OUR AIRPORT, YOU KNOW, AND THE STATE OF VIRGINIA, JUST TO GIVE YOU AN IDEA THAT'S NOT SUPER GREAT, UM, FOR GENERAL AVIATION, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT IN THE STATEWIDE GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS, WERE SMALL, BUT NOT THE SMALLEST. THEY'RE, THEY'RE LOOKING AT OVER $42 MILLION IN, IN, IN, IN OUTPUT FROM GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS, NOT DULLES. I MEAN, WHEN YOU GET DOWN THERE TO COMMERCIAL, YOU'RE TALKING IN THE $40 BILLION RANGE. MM-HMM . SO AVIATION IS A HUGE ECONOMIC INDICATOR, [01:20:01] EVEN OUR SMALL AIRPORT. UM, AND I MENTIONED IN ONE OF MY PRESENTATIONS, I MEAN, WE HAVE PHI THERE WHO IS A PARTNER TO VALLEY HEALTH. AND, AND THAT IS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF MY REVENUE SOURCES AT THE AIRPORT. AND, AND WE SEE, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY SURPRISED WHEN WE SAT DOWN AS A TEAM AND WENT THROUGH, 'CAUSE YOU DON'T THINK ABOUT, OH, THOSE GUYS IN THAT COPTER, THEY'RE THERE 24 7, HOW MANY TEAM MEMBERS ARE THERE? THAT'S GOOD FOR A LEVEL ONE, RIGHT. AND THEN BEHIND THEM, THE JOBS THAT ARE BEHIND THEM, AND THEN THE JOBS BEHIND THE MECHANICS AND THE TEAMS BEHIND THEM. AND I, YOU KNOW, I NEVER REALLY PUT THAT PIECE OF THE PUZZLE TOGETHER, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS PRETTY AMAZING TO ME. BE GLAD TO SEND THAT EMAIL BACK OUT AGAIN. YEAH. IT WAS FEBRUARY 5TH, BY THE WAY. YEP. UH, MS. JAMESON. YEAH. I, YEP. BUT IT WAS PRETTY, IT'S REALLY GOOD STUFF. BUT I KNOW YOU HAD ASKED ME, AND THEY HAVEN'T FINISHED THE WHOLE THING, BUT THEY SEND OUT WHERE THEY ARE NOW. I DID SEND IT TO YOU, DIDN'T I, SIR? YEAH, I WOULDN'T, NOT TRYING TO PUT ANYBODY ON THE SPOT. I JUST THINK IT'S IMPORTANT. I WASN'T SURE WHEN YOU SENT THAT OUT, IF YOU SENT IT BY EMAIL OR AIR MAIL. YES. YEAH, BOTH AIR MAIL. OKAY. YES. NOW THAT, THAT, THAT'S THE THING. THE SAME THING WITH THE VTC VIRGINIA TOURISM COMMISSION. AND THEY COME UP WITH ALL THESE NUMBERS, AND I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED, HOW DO THEY ARRIVE AT THOSE NUMBERS? NOT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, THERE'S NO, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S JUST LIKE WITH THE VTC, HOW DO THEY DETERMINE BETWEEN A TOURIST AND A LOCAL, WHEN THEY GO TO A RESTAURANT? YOU DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER, BUT IT'S JUST, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT 154 JOBS. RIGHT. AND WHAT YOU ALREADY TALKED ON, I MEAN, IT ALL SOUNDS GREAT, BUT WHAT ARE THEY BASING THAT ON? AND I, I CAN SHOW YOU, I CAN ONLY SHOW YOU, I MEAN, WHAT I'VE READ, WHAT I CAN SHOW YOU, THE STUFF THAT MIKE DID WITH THE TEAM WHEN WE SAT DOWN AND SAID, OKAY, HOW MANY FOLKS LIKE JUST SKY THAT FRONT RULE? I MEAN, YOU THINK ALBERT AND JULIE, BUT I MEAN, HERE COMES ANOTHER GUY WHO'S JUMPING OUT OF THE PLANE AND THEN YOU GOT 1, 2, 3 MORE PILOTS COMING IN AND THEN THEY START A, A BUSINESS. YOU KNOW, I MET A FELLOW, AN ENGINEER, HE REALLY IMPRESSED ME. UM, 25 YEARS OLD THE OTHER DAY WHEN WE HAD THIS BADGE FLASH. JAKE DON'T USUALLY GET A LITTLE NERVY, BUT WE HAD, THIS GUY HAD HIS DARK SUNGLASSES BADGE FLASHING HIM LAST WEEK. AND I THINK IT WAS FRIDAY, I JUST TALKED TO YOU AND I WAS, BUT I MET THIS YOUNG MAN FROM CHYNA WHO'S AN ENGINEER HERE. AND BOY HE IMPRESSED ME. BUT HE WAS LEARNING HERE BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, HE DIDN'T FEEL LIKE HE WORKS IN MANASSES IN THAT NORTH VIRGINIA AREA. SO WE GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT COME HERE NOW BECAUSE HEY, IT'S NUMBER ONE, IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT ALSO I DON'T FEEL THAT PRESSURE, YOU KNOW, I CAN HAVE A BEAUTIFUL VIEW. AND I MEAN, YOU SEE PEOPLE COMING IN, I MEAN, IT'LL START KICKING. I MEAN, YOU START GETTING 70 DEGREE WEATHER, THEY'LL START ROCKING IF THE WIND'S NOT BLOWING. BUT I CAN TELL YOU HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE TOUCHED, LIKE ON THE SITE JUST BY GOING BACK TO A SPREADSHEET. AND I'M NOT DOUBTING YEAH. UH, THE NUMBERS. UM, I'M NOT DOUBTING THE NUMBERS. I'M JUST WONDERING HOW THEY ARRIVE AT 'EM SOMETIMES. RIGHT? THAT'S ALL. YEAH. WHEN THEY HAD THAT CONSULTANT KIMLEY HORN. YEAH. IT'S THE SAME ONE WE'RE USING FOR ROCKLAND. YEP. YEAH. THEY, THEY INTERVIEWED EVERYBODY AND DID SURVEYS AND ECONOMIC, UH, SO WE WERE REQUIRED TO REPORT INFORMATION AND SPEAK TO THE FOLKS ON SITE, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S AGAIN, THAT I, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, LIKE, I'VE HAD SO MANY HATS THAT, YOU KNOW, I PROBABLY DON'T SPEND ENOUGH TIME, BUT I WAS LIKE REALLY SURPRISED TO SEE LIKE, OH WOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE IN AND OUT AND I HEAR 'EM CHATTING AND TALKING, BUT THEY GOT PEOPLE PACKING PARACHUTES AND THEY GOT PEOPLE FLYING THE PLANES, YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST THE ONE COMPANY. AND I WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEIR TEAM'S DEEPER THAN SOME OF MINE AND I WOULD'VE NEVER SAW IT. SO ANYHOW, UM, END OF THE DAY, IF WE DO, AND HOPEFULLY WE WILL, UM, WE WILL BUILD SOME NEW HANGERS AND I'M GONNA PUT THE DR. MARTIN HANGER ON THE SIDE OF IT MAYBE, RIGHT? NO. OKAY. , YOU GOT A WAITING LIST FOR HANGERS TOO, RIGHT? YES, SIR. I GOT, WELL, JAKE'S BEEN TRYING TO DIAL IT DOWN. WE'RE ACTUALLY CHARGING 'EM MONEY TO GET ON THE LIST NOW AND BRINGING DEPOSITS IN HERE FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT HANGERS. WELL, IT, IT, OH, AND I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THIS BEFORE. IT'S BEEN ON JUST IN CONVERSATION, BUT OH, DEFINITELY WE WANNA BE ON TARGET. IF THERE'S GRANT MONEY TO PUT A HANGER UP, WE DEFINITELY DON'T WANNA MISS THAT OPPORTUNITY. AND I AIN'T SO SURE IF IT'S NOT, IF IT WOULDN'T PAY FOR ITSELF, YOU OH, I WOULD ANTICIPATE 80 TO A HUNDRED GRAND AS SOON AS WE PUT 'EM UP. BECAUSE IN THE FIRST YEAR, BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE RENTAL AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FUEL IF YOU GOT NEW PLANES. WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU GOTTA BORROW THE MONEY, RIGHT. AND IT'LL, IT'LL SUSTAIN ITS OWN PAYMENT. RIGHT. YOU KNOW, ONE OF THESE DAYS IT'D BE PAID OFF AND IT'D BE IN THAT POSITIVE. SO WE MM-HMM . WE'D BE FOOL, UH, NOT TO, UH, WELL, AND THAT'S THE BIG NOT DO THAT. THAT'S THE BIG DECISION. 'CAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT WILLING TO DO THAT, THEN I NEED TO START DISCUSSIONS ON OTHER WAYS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WANT TO COME IN AND IF WE CAN'T ACCOMMODATE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN WE'RE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE DUS OR EVEN WINCHESTER. BUT, BUT IF YOU CAN GET SOME COMMERCIAL CLIENTS, LIKE PHI THERE [01:25:01] AND THE SKYDIVE FOLKS THERE, I MEAN, YOU CAN MAKE THE MONEY TO PAY IT BACK AND, AND, AND IT'S GONNA HELP YOU OVER TIME. WASN'T, UH, THERE A CONVERSATION BACK, AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO STARTED THAT CONVERSATION OF, UM, THE PEOPLE AND I FORGET EXACTLY WHAT IT WAS CALLED. BUT, UM, THE PEOPLE THAT WANTED TO HAVE THE HANGERS WOULD UPFRONT HELP FUND IT AND THEN HAVE A REDUCTION IN RENT OR SO MANY YEARS RENT FREE OR SOMETHING. I HAD ONE FELLA BRING ME AN ENGINEERED PLAN READY TO GO AND HE'D BE WILLING TO SET IT UP. HAD ANOTHER ONE HERE A COUPLE MONTHS AGO, SAID, HEY MIKE, CAN WE CUT THEM? 'CAUSE WE WERE WORKING ON A BEACON AREA, TRAVIS CUT OUT AND THAT WAS ANOTHER PLACE HE SAVED US MONEY. UM, BECAUSE THE BEACON, THE HELICOPTER GUYS COULDN'T SEE IT. CAN WE KNOCK SOME MORE TREES DOWN? CAN WE GO AHEAD NOW? I WANT TO BRING IN SOME CHARTER SERVICES WITH SMALL PLANES. CAN WE DO THAT? AND I'M LIKE, HEY, I'M, IT'S EXCITING. I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT EVEN WE HAVE TO INCORPORATE THAT HERE. WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE, THE STATE AND FEDS. WE CAN'T JUST SAY, OKAY, WE HAVEN'T INCORPORATED IT YET. WE'RE GONNA THROW IT UP THERE AND THEN LET YOU DRIVE OVER HERE AND SAY, HEY, HERE WE ARE. UM, WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS WHENEVER WE DO SOMETHING. BUT I MEAN, WE HAVE PEOPLE INTERESTED TO, TO INVEST. I MEAN, IF, BUT I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, WHAT MR. HENRY SAID WAS, YOU KNOW, DOWN THE ROAD, IF YOU LOOK DOWN THE ROAD, YOU'RE GONNA PAY 'EM OFF AND DOWN THE ROAD, THEY'RE GONNA BE PROBABLY DOUBLE WHAT THEY ARE NOW. UM, THAT'S ANOTHER PLACE. I MEAN, YOU CAN PROBABLY, I MEAN, MR. HAM HAS AN INFLATIONARY RATE THAT GOES UP EVERY YEAR NOW. UM, BUT I MEAN, YOU COULD CHARGE MORE. I MEAN, YOU COULD CHARGE PEOPLE THINK IT'S ABOVE AN OUT. I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, I THINK YOU HAVE TO BE COGNITIVE OF, YOU KNOW, NOT EVERYBODY'S GONNA FLY HERE TO BE HERE. NO. BUT IF, I MEAN, IT'S A CONVERSATION TO HAVE IF THERE WAS A, YEAH. SO I'M HOPEFUL. UM, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PROBABLY THE BIG ASK. WE DO HAVE A COUPLE OTHER BIG PROJECTS, UM, WHICH, YOU KNOW, IF I, I MEAN, I KNOW THERE'S LOTS AND LOTS AND LOTS OF DOCUMENTATION, BUT WE HAVE THE, UH, RUNWAY REHAB. UM, AND THAT PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A $3 MILLION PROJECT. AND THAT, THAT WAS MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS YOU GUYS GETTING SCARED, SEEING THE NUMBERS. BUT $3 MILLION, 2.85 IS FED 120,000 STATE, AND WARREN COUNTY PAYS 30 TO REHAB THE WHOLE RUNWAY. UM, AND THEN THE, THE TAXI WAY WILL BE COMING. I'M, AND THAT ONE, I MEAN, IT MIGHT HIT, I, I'M THINKING BIDS ARE PROBABLY GONNA HIT PROBABLY BY JUNE. SO CONSTRUCTION WILL PROBABLY WON'T DIG TILL 28. BUT I THOUGHT I WAS PROBABLY BEST OFF TO GO AHEAD AND GET IT ON HERE. UM, AND THAT ONE IS, UH, $1.8 MILLION, 160 COME FROM THE STATE AND WE'LL PAY 40. UM, AND YOU KNOW, AND THAT'S JUST HOW THAT CAPITAL PLAN WORKS. WE'RE PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND WE JUST CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THEM. BUT WE GOTTA HAVE, WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND KEEP THE PLAN MOVING. UM, OR WE GET BEHIND AND, AND WE LET MONEY GO. UM, AND I THINK THAT WE CAN SUSTAIN THOSE, EVEN IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY FOR THOSE, YOU KNOW, LAST FEW YEARS WE'VE TAKEN ON THE FUEL MAINTENANCE. JAKE IS DOING A TREMENDOUS JOB. I REALLY NEED TO SPEND MORE TIME THERE AND GET HIM MORE HELP. I DID PUT IN A, UM, HE, WELL HE PUT IN FOR A MOWER 'CAUSE HE DOES SO MUCH MOWING, UM, IN HIS BUDGET. AND YOU KNOW, TRAVIS AND I TALKED TO HIM, WE THOUGHT IT'D BE BETTER TO GET A A, A MORE OF A UTILITY TRACTOR BECAUSE HE DOES A LOT. I MEAN, WE ARE A SERVICE NOW. I MEAN, HE'S, HE'S CHECKING THE FUEL. WE'RE MAINTAINING THE FUEL, WE'RE ORDERING THE FUEL. I MEAN, WE'RE SELLING 40 TO 50,000 GALLONS A YEAR. YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE TYPICALLY TRYING TO MAKE AT LEAST A DOLLAR A GALLON AND, UM, YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S HELPING US. BUT, YOU KNOW, WE TO, TO DEVELOP, WE, WE NEED TO, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE YOU GUYS WITH US AND UM, AND TO HELP US KEEP THE CHAINS MOVING. FOR AN EXAMPLE, ALMOST HANG WITH THE 2 MILLION, SIR. UH, I FEEL IN MY OWN MIND, CAN YOU TURN YOUR MIC OR GET YOUR MIC? THANK YOU. YEAH. I MEAN, WHEN THERE'S A, WHEN THERE'S A DISCUSSION LIKE THIS AND IT SAYS, WELL, THERE'S PRIVATE CAPITAL, RIGHT? THAT'S, THAT'S OUT THERE THAT SAID THAT MAYBE THEY'LL FRONT THE MONEY FOR THIS, THAT, BUT THEY WANT TO, THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO LEASE FOR THIS MANY YEARS. WELL, YEAH. RIGHT. BUT THAT, WHAT I MEAN IS THAT TYPE OF PACKAGING AT SOME POINT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT IN FRONT OF US, RIGHT. BECAUSE RIGHT. LIKE RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST BUDGET SEASON AND THERE'S $2 MILLION ON HERE. WELL, I DID, I BROUGHT THE TO YOU BACK IN THE FALL, I CAME IN TWICE AND I DID MENTION THIS BEFORE AND I SAT WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO AND A HALF COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS AGO, AND WE SAT WITH TWO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD [01:30:01] AND THE WHOLE COMMISSION ON MULTIPLE OCCASIONS MM-HMM . AND DISCUSSED THIS. AND THIS WAS THE PATH FORWARD ON THE ALTERNATIVES FOR, FOR GETTING THE HANGERS HERE. THE ALTERNATIVES WERE, HEY, THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. THIS MAKES SENSE. AND DR. DALEY IS VERY DIRECT WITH NO, OR YAY. UM, THIS MAKES SENSE. YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS DOABLE. THIS IS WHAT MAKES, YOU KNOW, SO I MEAN, LIKE MIKE HAS BROUGHT THAT WE HAVE DISCUSSED IT AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, AND SO, I MEAN, I CAN THROW MORE STUFF IN FRONT OF HIM. WELL, I DON'T, I DON'T. SO I, I JUST WANT YOU TO BE CLEAR. I WANNA BE CLEAR. I DID NOT HOLD THAT BACK. YEAH, NO, NO. AND THAT'S NOT THE IMPLICATION. BUT AT SOME POINT DURING A BUDGET CYCLE, IF, IF, UH, I'M NOT, I'M NOT ABLE TO CONVEY THIS IS THE WAY I'M WANTING TO, BUT, BUT LIKE RIGHT NOW, I KIND OF FEEL IN MY OWN MIND THAT, THAT THAT THERE'S NOT GONNA BE $2 MILLION TO BUILD A HANGAR. SO, SO, WELL IT'LL BE 2 MILLION IF YOU HEARD ME, I SAID I GOT 563 DEDICATED. SO I'M DOWN TO 1.5 THAT I NEED. AND THEN, I MEAN, PERSONALLY I DON'T, I DIDN'T WANT TO GO 'CAUSE WE'VE HAD SO MUCH CONFUSION, BUT I'M READY TO GO ON THE STREET. I WOULD LIKE TO GO ON THE STREET AND GET A REAL NUMBER MM-HMM . AND I COULD SAY, HEY, THAT 1.5 IS NOW 1.2 SIR. RIGHT. AND I THINK THIS PAYMENT, I CAN COVER THIS THING IN 10 YEARS OR 15 YEARS AND WE OWN IT. SO WE KNOW THE, WHAT THE DEAL IS BASICALLY. WE KNOW, WE KNOW THE, THE PARAMETERS, BUT EITHER WAY, LIKE THE PAYOFF RIGHT. AND ALL THAT, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE NOT READY FOR THAT, I CAN BUILD ONE, SPEND MY 560 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS AND SAY, OKAY, I GOT ONE. THE SITE'S ALREADY HERE. THE SITE WORK'S GOING, ALL THE SITES WILL BE PREPARED. WELL, JUST, JUST TO NOTE ON, ON THE WAY IT, A LOT OF THE, SEE WE GET THESE SEATS, RIGHT? AND, AND THERE'S A LOT OF 'EM. YES SIR. THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF THEM. AND, AND THE, THE FUR, THE FUR FARTHEST COLUMN OVER IS DIFFERENCE. AND, AND RIGHT. YOU KNOW, DIFFERENCE IS $2 MILLION. SO YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SORT OF THE NUMBER THAT STICKS. I GOT YOU. THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I'M COMING FROM. WELL, AND THAT'S, THAT WAS MY CONCERN ABOUT PUTTING THE AIRPORT CAPITAL IN UKG WHEN THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WORKS ON A DIFFERENT CYCLE, THE OFTEN THE PROJECTS MOVE THROUGH MULTIPLE YEARS. YEAH. I DON'T, I HAVE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO PRESENT IT. WHO'S GOING TO BE THERE, HOW WE'RE GONNA ENCUMBER IT. AND I, I DON'T WANNA HAVE TROUBLES 'CAUSE I DON'T WANNA LOSE FACE WITH THE STATE OR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OR ANY OF THE PLAYERS WHO, WHO ARE OUT THERE. THE OTHER THING IS LIKE IN THAT MULTIPLE YEAR AND THE FISCAL YEAR'S BEING OFFSET, BUT WHEN YOU ADD UP ALL THE GRANT MONEY THAT'S OUT THERE FOR THIS, AND THERE'S A LONGER TERM PLAN THAT'S NOT JUST HANGARS, BUT IT'S, IT'S RUNWAY REHABILITATION AND TAXIWAY REHABILITATION AND, AND PARKING RAMP REHABILITATION. UH, AND POTENTIALLY EVEN THE TERMINAL DOWN THE ROAD. BUT THERE'S SO MUCH GRANT MONEY THAT WE ARE ELIGIBLE FOR AND, AND THAT MR. BARRY'S BEEN, YOU KNOW, WRITING THESE GRANTS AND, AND RESULTS. THIS IS THE ONLY, ONLY THING THAT I'VE BROUGHT TO THE TABLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP FRONT WITH MORE MONEY. YEAH. BUT, BUT IN THE BIG PICTURE, IT'S GONNA BE INSTANT REVENUE PRODUCER. IN THE BIG PICTURE THOUGH, WE'RE, WE'RE BASICALLY PAYING LIKE A PENNY ON A DOLLAR FOR EVERYTHING WE GET FROM ALL THE BENEFITS OF STATE AND FEDERAL GRANTS. YEAH. AND USUALLY WE'RE 1%, 2% DEPENDS. SOMETIMES THEIR CYCLE CHANGES AND YOU KNOW, IF THAT'S, HEY, I'M PAYING MORE RIGHT NOW 'CAUSE OF THIS, OR YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, IT COULD CHANGE. UM, BUT IF THAT MONEY'S SITTING THERE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. THAT MONEY MIGHT GO AWAY IF WE DON'T GET IT. YEAH. AND I DON'T WANNA LOSE IT. WELL, SO YOU'VE GOT ONE, YOU'VE GOT ONE HANGER IN THE PIPELINE IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. WHAT I'M SAYING IS I HAVE $565,000 OF FREE MONEY. I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND BID ALL OF THEM WITH, WITH IT SET IN A MANNER THAT I COULD BUILD 'EM AS I'D LIKE TO, YOU KNOW, ONCE THE SITE WORK'S DONE, IF I CAN ONLY BUILD ONE FOR HALF MILLION, I'LL BUILD ONE. IF, IF IT'S JULY ONE AND YOU SAY NOPE, THEN, THEN I'M GONNA BILL ONE. WELL, AND THEN WE CAN TALK ABOUT, UH, LET'S GO AND TALK ABOUT LAND LEASE OR WHATEVER YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT. 'CAUSE I MEAN, YOU KNOW, AT THAT POINT I, I WOULD SUPPORT GO AHEAD AND STARTING THE LEGWORK FOR THAT. ABSOLUTELY. ESPECIALLY, ESPECIALLY IF YOU GOT MONEY FOR ONE. OH, RIGHT. YEAH. I ALREADY, I MEAN BASICALLY WE STARTED OUT WITH BIDDING IT ALL AS ONE PACKAGE. WE GOT NO BIDS, THEN WE BROKE IT DOWN AND I HAD TO DO A WHOLE LOT OF LEGWORK TO GET THIS SITE WORK BROKE OUT. WHICH WORKED OUT, OUT GOOD FOR US. WELL, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THIS, JOHN, YOU'RE ON THE AIRPORT. YEAH. YOU NEED TO GET A SMALL COMMITTEE TOGETHER, WORK IT OUT AND THEN BRING IT TO US AT A WORK SESSION SO THAT IT'S VERY SIMPLE FOR US NON-AVIATION PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND AND SEE THE NUMBERS AND SO FORTH. UM, BECAUSE WE SHOULD HAVE THAT RIGHT NOW. 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT I DID BACK IN OCTOBER. OKAY. AND SHOWED YOU THE, HEY, HERE'S THE NUMBER, WELL WE NEED TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEP. AND HAVE IT ON THE NEXT AVAILABLE TIME SLOT FOR, YOU KNOW, THE WORK SESSION AND LET'S MAKE A DECISION SO THAT, THAT THE NEXT VOTING [01:35:01] MEETING AFTER THAT. YEAH. SO THE SITE WORKS. WE DON'T MISS THIS. AND I WOULD REACH OUT, OUT IN THAT PLAN, SHOW US WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE DID, UM, A PARTNERSHIP WITH, UH, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT TO CALL IT, WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO BE STAKEHOLDERS IN THIS AND WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE. SO WE'VE GOT A GOOD IDEA OF THAT AS WELL. OKAY. UH, NOTHING VENTURED NOTHING DONE. YEAH. SO, UM, BECAUSE I, I THINK WE'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE OFF COURSE WITH THAT, SORRY. BUT IT, OH NO. IT'S SOMETHING THAT NEEDS GOOD TIME TO BE ADDRESSED. GOOD TIME, TIME TO THINK ABOUT IT WHILE YOU'RE DOING TALKING NUMBER. BUT I, I THINK THAT'S THE BEST WAY FORWARD TO GET THAT GOING. UM, RIGHT. AND, AND TO GET A DECISION. YEAH. UM, I THINK I'VE HIT MOST EVERYTHING. I MEAN, I MENTIONED AS I STARTED, I STILL, I STILL FEEL LIKE THE PLAN WE WORKED ON TRAVIS AND I WITH HR IS A GOOD PLAN. UM, AND WE HAD A PLAN TO USE BUDGET SAVINGS, NOT ASK FOR ANY MONEY. UM, 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO PLAN FOR THE FUTURE. UM, AND I'D LIKE TO SEE A LEAD CUSTODIAN AND A, UH, OR A SENIOR, A MAINTENANCE TECH. WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THOSE. AND I, AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE SOME LEVELS AND THAT'S SOMETHING WE'VE TALKED ABOUT. UM, WE NEED TO HAVE SOME SENIOR LEVELS, EVEN OUR CUSTODIANS. I MEAN THEY SHOULD HAVE, UH, A DISTINGUISHMENT SOMEBODY WHO'S BRAND NEW VERSUS SOMEBODY WHO'S BEEN HERE FOR 20 YEARS. UM, THOSE LADIES, THEY ARE, ARE LADIES IN THE BUILDINGS THAT WE DEAL WITH AT THIS POINT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, THEY DEAL WITH THE WHOLE COURTHOUSE. THEY DEAL WITH THE WHOLE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. THEY HAVE TO, TO BE CHECKED THEIR BACKGROUNDS AND THEY HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WORK IN THOSE FACILITIES. AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA CONTINUE TO DISCUSS WITH DR. MARTIN, BUT JUST TIMING, UM, DID NOT WORK OUT FOR ME. AND THAT'S, I DIDN'T ASK FOR MORE. I STILL FEEL LIKE, AND I CAN TALK TO KAYLA AND FINANCE, BUT I STILL FEEL LIKE, UM, WE CAN DO SOME GOOD, UM, AND, AND PUT SOME THINGS IN THERE FOR THE FUTURE WITHOUT ASKING YOU FOR MORE MONEY, WHICH I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE IN MAKING THINGS SIMPLE, BUT I WOULDN'T FEEL RIGHT IF I DIDN'T TRY TO LET THAT OUT TOO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND NO MORE QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. NO, THANK YOU. YEP. THANK YOU. OKAY SIR. UH, WE [A.4. Elections - Matthew Reisinger ] ARE IN ELECTIONS. JUDGE MATTHEW COMES UP. I BET YOU CANNOT GUESS THANKS FROM HIS ATTIRE WHERE HE WORKS. NEVER. YOU WOULD NEVER GUESS, RIGHT? I WOULD NEVER ASSUME . AND WHILE I'M THINKING ABOUT IT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME TO THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT COMMUNITY MEETING. AND I WAS GONNA ASK YOU, I SAW THE, UH, DIFFERENT ENTITIES THAT WERE NAMED AND I WAS LIKE, WELL, COME ON DOWN. YOU'RE WELCOME. YOU PERFECTLY DRESSED FOR THAT OCCASION AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SIR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO KEEP MY PRESENTATION VERY BRIEF BECAUSE I HAVE TO TAKE ABOUT 1300 BALLOTS OVER TO THE POST OFFICE, UH, BY FIVE O'CLOCK. SO , YOU HAVEN'T BEEN ANXIOUS BACK THERE AT ALL THEN, HAVE YOU? NO. UM, IN OUR OPERATING BUDGET, THE INCREASES IN THAT DIFFERENCE COLUMN ARE STRICTLY EITHER SOFTWARE FEES ARE INCREASING. I THINK EVERYONE'S SEEING THAT ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, OR ASSOCIATION FEES THAT ARE GONNA GO UP. THE UM, THE BIGGEST SOME, ONE OF THE BIGGEST INCREASES IN ELECTION OFFICIALS MINIMUM WAGE IS ALSO GOING UP. UM, THERE'S ALSO A COUPLE DIFFERENT, I KNOW THERE'S A BILL IN FRONT OF THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY RIGHT NOW. UM, INCREASING MINIMUM WAGE. JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ABLE TO RECRUIT VOLUNTEERS AND AT LEAST BE PAYING THEM STATE MINIMUM WAGE. ALSO POSTAGE PRICE OF STAMPS IS GOING UP. UM, THE BIGGEST INCREASE IN MISCELLANEOUS SOFTWARE WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH, UM, TRYING TO FIND A SOLUTION WHERE WE MANAGE IN A GIVEN ELECTION, LOW END, 50 TO 60 VOLUNTEERS. SOMETIMES IN A PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION, UPWARDS OF A HUNDRED, A HUNDRED PLUS VOLUNTEERS. AND TO BE COMPLETELY HONEST, SPREADSHEETS WAS NOT CUTTING IT. UM, IT GETS A LITTLE CUMBERSOME TO SIT THERE WITH SPREADSHEETS. SO I REACHED OUT TO ABOUT FOUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES THAT HAVE SOME KIND OF, UM, SOFTWARE MANAGEMENT SOLUTION POLL, WORKER MANAGEMENT SOLUTION. UM, SEVERAL DIFFERENT [01:40:01] COMPANIES WHEN THEY QUOTED US WERE IN EXCESS OF $10,000 A YEAR. I SAID, ABSOLUTELY NOT. I CAN'T, WE CAN'T AFFORD THAT. UM, I WORKED WITH A COMPANY THAT'S ACTUALLY BASED OUTTA DC. THEY GAVE US BASICALLY IN THIS FISCAL YEAR, A SIX MONTH TRIAL PERIOD WHERE WE WILL, WE BASICALLY WE'LL REPAY UM, LIKE A HALF A REDUCED FEE, UM, PRORATED HALF YEAR TO TRY OUT THEIR SYSTEM. SO FAR IN JUST ABOUT THE MONTH WE'VE BEEN USING IT, WE'VE SEEN A LOT OF, UM, POTENTIAL IN HE HELPING US MANAGE ALL THE DIFFERENT VOLUNTEERS THAT WE HAVE TO MANAGE. UM, IT ALLOWS US TWO-WAY COMMUNICATION BETWEEN OUR VOLUNTEERS. OUR VOLUNTEERS CAN NOW ALSO TEXT OUR OFFICE ALONG WITH EMAIL. IT ALLOWS US TO OFFER MANY TRAINING SOLUTIONS BOTH ONLINE AND IN PERSON. AND ALSO ALLOWS US TO SEE WHERE WE'RE AT STAFFING WISE FOR EACH ELECTION WITHOUT HAVING TO SIFT THROUGH A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT SPREADSHEETS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE OPERATIONAL SIDE OF THINGS BEFORE I MOVE INTO THE ASSET REPLACEMENT? THE TWO PACKETS I HANDED YOU WERE ASSET REPLACEMENT THAT ARE ASKED UNDER THAT CATEGORY FOR THIS YEAR. UM, IF YOU'LL RECALL THOSE OF YOU BACK THAT WERE HERE IN 24, UH, WE REPLACED THE BALLOT SCANNERS, THE TABULATORS THAT I KNOW FOR A FACT. UPGRADING THOSE UNITS HAS PUT US IN A POSITION NOW WHERE WE ARE ABLE TO GET THE RESULTS QUICKER AND MORE EFFICIENTLY IN THE EVENING. UM, I'VE ACTUALLY GOTTEN CALLS FROM DELEGATES WANTING TO KNOW WHY WE CAN GET RESULTS OUT A LOT QUICKER THAN SOME OF THE OTHER LOCALITIES. NOT ONLY THE EQUIPMENT, BUT WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM OF PEOPLE, BOTH MY STAFF AND UM, OUR VOLUNTEERS. WE'VE UPGRADED A LOT OF INTERNAL PROCEDURES AND WORKFLOWS TO IMPROVE THAT. BUT IT IS ULTIMATELY INVESTING THAT EQUIPMENT AND UPGRADING THAT EQUIPMENT. THE A DA MARKING DEVICES, THAT IS THE SECOND COMPONENT TO THIS SYSTEM. SO OUR CURRENT A DA MARKING DEVICES AND THIS ASSISTS THOSE UM, VOTERS WHO HAVE LIKE A VISUAL IMPAIRMENT TO MAINTAIN THAT INDEPENDENCE. WHEN THEY COME IN AND VOTE, THIS MACHINE ALLOWS THEM TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF IT. IT HAS A HEADSET AND A KEYPAD AND IT HAS BRAILLE ON THE KEYPAD AND ALLOWS THEM TO GO THROUGH THEIR BALLOT, MARK THEIR BALLOT, THIS MACHINE PRINTS IT OUT AND THEN THEY CAN WALK IT OVER TO THE TABULATOR AND FEED IT IN THEMSELVES. IT WAS REALLY COOL. I EXPERIENCED THIS FIRSTHAND BACK IN 24 DURING THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. GENTLEMAN CAME IN, UM, COMPLETELY BLIND. HE SAID, I'M HERE TO VOTE AND I WANT TO USE, SO OUR CURRENT MACHINE IS CALLED THE UM, OVI. UM, HE'S LIKE, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO VOTE. I'VE USED THIS MACHINE IN THE PAST, I KNOW HOW TO USE IT. IF YOU CAN JUST GUIDE ME TO IT. TOOK HIM RIGHT OVER. I SAID, HERE YOU GO. I HANDED HIM THE KEYPAD HE PUT ON THE HEADSET. IT WAS INCREDIBLE TO, YOU KNOW, FROM A DISTANCE OBVIOUSLY, 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT LOOKING OVER PEOPLE'S SHOULDERS, BUT FROM A DISTANCE TO WATCH HIM JUST GO RIGHT THROUGH IT AND BE ABLE TO HAVE THAT INDEPENDENCE TO BE ABLE TO MARK HIS OWN BALLOT AND THEN HE WALKED IT OVER TO THE SCANNER AND PUT IT RIGHT INTO THE SCANNER HIMSELF. SO THAT FIRST REQUEST IS TO REPLACE THOSE UNITS. THEY, THE CURRENT ONES ARE 11 YEARS OLD AND THEY ARE STARTING TO SHOW THEIR AGE. UM, CONVERSATIONS I'VE HAD WITH THE VENDOR, THEY ARE STARTING TO SEE IN OTHER LOCALITIES THAT ARE STILL USING THEM. THEY'RE STARTING TO BREAK DOWN AND I WANT TO KEEP US OUT OF THAT. I WANNA AVOID AT ALL LENGTHS POSSIBLE TO AVOID ANY POTENTIAL BREAKDOWNS. I MEAN, I DON'T WANT TO BE ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THE NEWSPAPER LIKE ANYONE ELSE. SO IN THIS REQUEST I'M ASKING SPECIFICALLY FOR 14 UNITS. THAT'S UH, ONE UNIT FOR EACH PRECINCT AND TWO SPARES. UM, I DID PULL THE REQUEST DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE IN CONSULTATION WITH THE VENDOR THEY NOTICED THAT UM, THE NEWER UNITS, THEY SEE A LOT LESS ISSUES WITH THEM THAN THE CURRENT ONES. THE OTHER REQUEST IS ALSO OUR ELECTRONIC POLL BOOKS. THESE ARE WHAT THE OFFICERS USE TO VERIFY AND CHECK IN VOTERS ON ELECTION DAY AND DURING EARLY VOTING. THE CURRENT EQUIPMENT IS ALSO, THIS ONE IS SIX YEARS OLD. IT'S STILL GOT A LITTLE BIT OF LIFE IN IT, BUT SOMETHING THAT IT'S BECOMING MORE AND MORE CRITICAL THAT WE ENSURE THAT THESE SYSTEMS ARE UPGRADED ON A REGULAR BASIS. OBVIOUSLY NOT EVERY SINGLE YEAR OR EVERY OTHER YEAR, BUT SO THAT WE'RE NOT GOING SIX TO 11 YEARS BETWEEN UPGRADES. AND I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU ALL HAD ANY QUESTIONS. THE A DA MARKING EQUIPMENT SPECIFICALLY FOR THOSE UNITS, THEY RUN ABOUT $4,300 A UNIT. UM, FOR THAT. THE 62 5, YOU'LL SEE ON YOUR VERY LAST PAGE THERE, THERE IS A PROPOSAL THAT COMES OUT TO 61 4. THE 62 5 IS TO ENSURE THAT I DO HAVE A CUSHION THERE FOR SHIPPING. SHIPPING. THE CHARGES HAVE BEEN VARYING FROM MONTH TO MONTH. UM, WITH THE ELECTRONIC PULL BOOKS, THAT IS ONE QUOTE FROM ONE PARTICULAR VENDOR, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT VENDORS, BUT WE'RE IN THAT $70,000 [01:45:01] NEIGHBORHOOD FOR A COMPLETE REPLACEMENT OF THAT SYSTEM. AND THE STATE DOESN'T HELP FUND ANY OF THOSE. UNFORTUNATELY NOT WITH EQUIPMENT. I DID FIND OUT TODAY. SO BECAUSE OF THE ONGOING LAWSUITS AND BECAUSE THE SUPREME COURT RECENTLY GOT INVOLVED AGAIN WITH THE SECOND LAWSUIT, THE STATE DID INFORM US THAT THEY WILL BE PROVIDING SOME FORM OF REIMBURSEMENT FOR THE APRIL SPECIAL ELECTION. I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT FIGURE YET. I DON'T KNOW WHAT EXACTLY WE'LL GET. I IMAGINE IT'D BE SIMILAR TO THE REIMBURSEMENT THAT THEY OFFER FOR THE MARCH PRESIDENTIAL PRIMARY. AS FAR AS EQUIPMENT GOES, IT'S VERY RARE. I'LL PHRASE IT THAT WAY. UM, WE WERE LUCKY, UH, LAST YEAR THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET A GRANT THROUGH THE STATE FOR OUR, WHAT'S CALLED BALLOT ON DEMAND. SO IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T HAVE TO BLINDLY ORDER BALLOTS FOR EARLY VOTING 'CAUSE IT, THE TURNOUT VARIES FROM ELECTION TO ELECTION. WE CAN ACTUALLY, IN REAL TIME WHILE THE VOTER IS STANDING THERE, IT TAKES ABOUT 30 SECONDS, WHICH WOULD BE PROBABLY APPROXIMATELY THE SAME TIME FOR ONE OF OUR OFFICERS TO PULL THEIR BALLOT OUT OF THE FOLDER ONCE THEY'VE BEEN CHECKED IN AND VERIFIED. THEIR BALLOT ACTUALLY PRINTS RIGHT THERE WHILE THEY'RE STANDING THERE. SO IT'S HELPED US TO LOOK AT, TO REIGN IN SOME OF THOSE COSTS. THANK YOU. ANY QUESTIONS? ALRIGHT. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. I HOPE YOU MAKE IT TO THE MAILBOX AND PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU VOTE EARLY. VOTING STARTS TOMORROW FOR THE APRIL 21ST SPECIAL. OH MY. WELL THANK YOU FOR THAT. HUMAN [A.5. Human Resources - Kayla Darr, Human Resources Manager ] RESOURCES, MS. KAYLA. HELLO. GOOD AFTERNOON. UM, SO I'M HERE TO PRESENT THE HR BUDGET. I KNOW THERE'S BEEN SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT PAPER, SO YOURS SHOULD START WITH THIS. HR IS IN GREEN, SO I'M HAPPY TO REPORT THAT. OVERALL MY BUDGET HAS REMAINED PRETTY MUCH THE SAME OVER THE PREVIOUS YEAR. UM, THERE ARE SOME COSTS THAT HAVE INCREASED AND I WANTED TO GO OVER THOSE WITH YOU GUYS. UH, THE FIRST INCREASE YOU'LL SEE IS FOR ADVERTISING. SO CURRENTLY WE PRIMARILY ADVERTISE OUR JOB POSTINGS ON THE FREE SITES. UH, THIS WOULD ALLOW US TO POST MORE FREQUENTLY ON THE PAID SITES, SO LIKE V-M-L-I-C-M-A, GOVERNMENT JOBS.COM, UM, TO GET MORE EXPOSURE FOR OUR JOBS. THE SECOND LINE ITEM INCREASE IS FOR POSTAGE. SO THIS AGAIN IS THE BIWEEKLY PAPER PAY STUBS AND THE W TWOS, UM, THAT WE SHIP AT THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, FROM UPS AND DISTRIBUTE TO STAFF. SO POST POSTAGE HAS GONE UP. SO THIS IS WHY THIS IS INCREASING. THE NEXT ONE IS OTHER OPERATING SUPPLIES. SO THIS IS FOR OUR SERVICE AWARDS. UM, AND THESE FLUCTUATE DUE TO MILESTONES THAT STAFF HIT EACH YEAR. UM, BUT THEY HAVE ALSO INCREASED DUE TO INFLATION. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY BUDGET BEFORE I MOVE ON TO PERSONNEL? OKAY. SO I DO HAVE ONE PERSONNEL REQUEST FOR HR AND THAT IS THE REFUNDING OF THE HR GENERALIST. UH, THIS POSITION HAS BEEN UNFUNDED SINCE 2023 AND AT THAT TIME THE HR GENERALIST POSITION BECAME VACANT AND WE GAVE THE FUNDING BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND. I THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT AS THE COUNTY CONTINUES TO GROW AND DEPARTMENTS GET ADDITIONAL HEADCOUNT, UM, HR GROWS WITH THEM. HR IS KIND OF A ONE-STOP SHOP FOR EMPLOYEES. SO WE DO RECRUITMENT INTERVIEWS, ONBOARDING BENEFITS, PAYROLL AND EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. UM, AND CURRENTLY IT'S A DEPARTMENT OF TWO, UM, ME BEING ONE OF THEM. UM, AND WE WANNA ENSURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING THE BEST SERVICE TO THE COUNTY EMPLOYEES THAT WE CAN. ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT MY PERSONNEL DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT. OKAY, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO GO OVER WITH YOU GUYS, I DID PROVIDE YOU WITH SOME DATA. SO THIS SHEET HERE HAS THE TOTAL COUNTY HEADCOUNT AND ALSO THE SURROUNDING LOCALITIES AND THEIR TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THIS, HR HAS BEEN WORKING ON A SALARY STUDY. UM, SO WE HAVE LOOKED AT SOME OTHER SURROUNDING JURISDICTIONS TO SEE HOW WE COMPARE. SO THIS BIG DOCUMENT HERE IS THE STUDY THAT WE'VE DONE. SO IT LAYS OUT THE MINIMUM MIDPOINT AND MAX SALARY RANGES FOR EACH POSITION BY LOCALITY. AND I LOOKED AT FREDERICK CLARK, WINCHESTER CITY, PAIGE, SHENANDOAH, FALK YEAR, RAPPAHANNOCK, AND THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. SO IN DOING THIS STUDY, WE FOUND THAT WARREN COUNTY IS KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE. UH, WE CURRENTLY FALL WITHIN THE MID-RANGE OF THE MARKET WHEN COMPARED TO FREDERICK SHENANDOAH AND THE CITY OF WINCHESTER. SO GENERALLY, UM, WE COMPARE COMPETITIVELY [01:50:01] WITH SHENANDOAH COUNTY. UH, WE TREND SLIGHTLY BELOW FREDERICK AND THE CITY OF WINCHESTER AND SEVERAL PUBLIC SAFETY, TECHNICAL, ADMINISTRATIVE AND SPECIAL ED CLASSIFICATIONS. NORTHERN VIRGINIA JURISDICTIONS SUCH AS BAIER AND LOUDOUN COUNTY OPERATE AT A SIGNIFICANTLY HIGHER COMPENSATION LEVELS. UM, WE DON'T MATCH THESE NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS DOLLAR FOR DOLLAR, BUT OUR LOCATION MEANS EMPLOYEES HAVE OPTIONS NEARBY, WHICH ADDS PRESSURE, PRESSURE WHEN IT COMES TO RECRUITING AND KEEPING STAFF. SO SOME KEY FINDINGS OF THIS STUDY, UH, SALARY RANGES IN SELECT CLASSIFICATIONS TREND ABOUT FIVE TO 12% BELOW TOP REGIONAL COMPETITORS. COMPRESSION BETWEEN GRADE LEVELS AND STEPS ARE PRESENT IN MULTIPLE DEPARTMENTS. RECRUITMENT CHALLENGES ARE MOST EVIDENT IN PUBLIC SAFETY, SKILLED POSITIONS AND MID-LEVEL ADMINISTRATIVE ROLES. LATERAL MOVEMENT TO NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS FOR MODEST INCREASES HAS INCREASED OVER THE YEARS. UH, SO THE COUNTY MAINTAINS A STRONG TOTAL COMPENSATION STRUCTURE THROUGH OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE VIRGINIA RETIREMENT SYSTEM, UM, AS WELL AS OUR EMPLOYER FUNDED WELLNESS PROGRAM, COMPETITIVE HEALTH INSURANCE STRUCTURE AND ORGANIZATIONAL STABILITY. SO FOR MANY EMPLOYEES, BENEFITS AND STABILITY, PARTIALLY OFFSET BASE SALARY DIFFERENCES. SO THIS STUDY SUPPORTS CONSIDERATION OF A PHASE COMPENSATION REALIGNMENT THAT MAINTAINS OUR REGIONAL MARKET COMPETITIVENESS ADDRESSES INTERNAL COMPRESSION TARGET, HARD TO RECRUIT CLASSIFICATIONS AND STRENGTHEN RECRUITMENT AND LONG-TERM RETENTION. SO WARREN COUNTY'S ABILITY TO REMAIN POSITION NEAR THE REGIONAL MIDPOINT HAS BEEN LARGELY SUPPORTED BY THE CONSISTENT IMPLEMENTATION OF ACROSS THE BOARD COLA. SO OUR COST OF LIVING ADJUSTMENTS, UH, ACROSS THE REGION, WORKFORCES SIZE VARY SIGNIFICANTLY. UH, FREDERICK HAS OVER A THOUSAND EMPLOYEES. WINCHESTER CITY HAS OVER 800. SHENANDOAH HAS ALMOST 700, AND WARREN COUNTY OPERATES AS A MID-SIZE GOVERNMENT WITHIN THAT REGION. UM, SO WE'RE SMALLER THAN FREDERICK AND WINCHESTER AND SHENANDOAH YET EXPECTED TO DELIVER COMPARABLE SERVICE LEVELS. WE COMPLETE COMPETE DIRECTLY WITH LARGER NEIGHBORING JURISDICTIONS FOR TALENT, MANY OF WHICH HAVE GREATER STAFFING CAPACITIES AND RESOURCES. SO AS WE MOVE INTO THE NEW FISCAL YEAR, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THIS IN MIND, UM, THAT THE COLAS HAVE A VERY POSITIVE IMPACT AS WELL AS THE MERIT INCREASES. AND AS WE TALK NEXT WEEK ABOUT INSURANCE AND RENEWAL, UM, AND WHAT THAT INCREASE WILL LOOK LIKE, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE KEEP THESE NUMBERS IN THE FRONT OF OUR MINDS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME ON THIS? YEAH, ONE OR TWO. UM, ON THE TOTAL NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES SHEET THERE MM-HMM . I JUST WAS QUESTION WONDERING WHY 2024 IS 3 97? IT DIPPED DOWN TO 3 76 20 25. IT WAS JUST POSITIONS THAT WERE OPEN. SO A LOT OF IT COULD BE DUE TO OUR SEASONAL STAFF COMING OFF THE PAYROLL, LIKE OUR SUMMER STAFF AT PARKS AND REC. OKAY. SO IT, THAT'S A CONTRIBUTING FACTOR AS WELL. OKAY. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD OR, OR WAS WONDERING, UM, WHEN YOU HAD THE COMPARISONS OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, YOU'VE GOT A BUNCH OF THE COUNTIES THAT GOT NA YES. A LOT OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITIONS ARE UNCLASSIFIED, SO THEY ACTUALLY WON'T LIST THEIR SALARIES. UM, I CAN REQUEST THE SALARIES THROUGH FOIA, UM, BUT WE WEREN'T SURE IF WE WANTED TO DO THAT. SO THEY'RE NOT CLASSIFIED OR IS UNCLASSIFIED? I MEAN, IT'S PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, I WOULD THINK. YEAH, IT, IT IS. I CAN, I CAN GO BACK THROUGH AND REQUEST. THERE'S NO BIG DEAL. ACTUAL SALARIES, THEY JUST DON'T HAVE RANGES FOR THOSE POSITIONS. THAT'S FINE. I WAS JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. GUYS NEED PARA SHEET. OKAY. ADMINISTRATION, [A.6. Administration/BOS - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator] BUT YOU DO NEED ONE IF YOU, SO ALL OF YOU HAVE UPLOADED. DO YOU NEED A BREAK BEFORE WE START? I'LL KEEP IT UNDER TWO HOURS, I PROMISE. RICH IS LIKE, OH, PLEASE, YOU GOT TWO MINUTES. , YOU'LL BE STANDING IN HERE BY YOURSELF TWO HOURS. SO LUCKILY THESE ARE PROBABLY SOME OF THE EASIEST DEPARTMENTS TO GO THROUGH. UM, SO I PUT ON EACH OF YOUR DESKS UPDATED COPIES, UM, FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. SO FOR YOUR DEPARTMENT, THERE ARE MINIMAL CHANGES, [01:55:02] UM, FOR PROFESSIONAL SERVICES. THERE IS A SLIGHT INCREASE AND WE REALIZED THAT THERE REALLY WASN'T ANY ADDITIONAL FLUFF IN YOUR BUDGET. SO WHEN SOMETHING CAME UP, IT WAS A PROBLEM. UM, WE PUT THE ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THERE IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR POTENTIAL RECRUITMENT FEES. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE IT COULD GO EITHER UNDER YOUR BUDGET OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. UM, UNDER ADVERTISING, OR SORRY, FILING AND SERVICE FEES AND ADVERTISING, THEY WENT DOWN. WE'RE TRYING TO GET THEM CLOSER TO THE TRUE COST WITHOUT ACTUALLY, UM, UNDER BUDGETING. SAME THING WITH OFFICE SUPPLIES. YOU ALL ARE PRETTY LOW MAINTENANCE. AND THEN , DR. MARTIN MAY DISAGREE. UM, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS WITH HAVING TWO NEW MEMBERS, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING THE UPDATED MATERIALS. I THINK, UM, ZACH HAS BEEN GETTING SOME, UM, CURRENT BINDERS THAT EACH OF YOU SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED. UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE CURRENT AND THEN WE'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH AS TO WHETHER TO HAVE E CODE IN YOUR BUDGET OR IN THE COUNTY ADMIN, ADMIN OR COUNTY ATTORNEY'S BUDGET. UM, WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT IN YOUR BUDGET AND WITH LODGING AND CONVENTION AND EDUCATION, THOSE ARE UP. UM, YOU ALL HAVE NOT TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF SOME OF THE CONFERENCES THAT ARE AVAILABLE AND WE WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE FUNDING IN THERE SO THAT YOU COULD, UM, THERE IS SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CONFERENCES THROUGH V-L-G-M-A AND UM, EML ECO THAT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN AND IT'S VERY HELPFUL. SO THERE IS A TOTAL DIFFERENCE. IT'S AN INCREASE OF $10,000 FOR YOUR BUDGET FOR THE FULL FISCAL YEAR. ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT ONE? OKAY. SO THE NEXT ONE WITH ADMINISTRATION, UM, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THERE ARE SOME DECREASES AS WE GO DOWN. THE OVERALL RATE FOR VRS WENT DOWN ACROSS THE BOARD. UM, SO IT ENDS UP BEING BETWEEN THE DEFINED CONTRIBUTION, THE, UM, DISABILITY AND THE LIFE INSURANCE, ABOUT A 1.24% TOTAL SAVINGS FOR THE COUNTY, WHICH WE'LL TAKE IT. UM, ANY SAVINGS HELPS. UM, SO THE INCREASES, THOSE ARE DUE TO LAST YEAR'S COLA, SO YEAR OVER YEAR. UM, AND ALSO THE BUDGET FOR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AT THE $200,000 RATE. UM, THERE ARE SOME SLIGHT INCREASES IN HERE WHEN WE GET INTO, UM, THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION AND THE VEHICLE ALLOWANCE. WE BUDGETED EVERYTHING BASED OFF OF, UM, THE PREVIOUS CONTRACT. SO ONCE WE GET INTO THE ACTUAL OPERATIONAL BUDGETING, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE AN INCREASE ON THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES LINE, UM, TO $45,000. AND THIS CAME OUT OF A CONVERSATION WITH OUR CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. IF THERE IS A LEGAL ISSUE IN WHICH THEY DO NOT AGREE WITH SOMETHING THE COUNTY IS DOING, UM, THERE NEEDS TO BE SOME LEGAL FUNDING SOMEWHERE IN THE BUDGET. AND EACH OF THEM WERE REQUESTING BASICALLY $20,000 IN EACH OF THEIR BUDGETS. AND WE WERE LIKE, THE LIKELIHOOD OF THAT HAPPENING AND THAT TIES UP A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS. SO WE PUT $45,000 UNDER COUNTY ADMINISTRATION. SO IF IT'S NEEDED, IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE COUNSEL RATHER THAN, UM, THE COUNTY'S, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY REPRESENTING THEM. UM, SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THAT INCREASE THERE. AND THEN POSTAGE AND PHONE, THAT'S, WE'RE ADJUSTING TO ACTUAL EXPENDITURES. UM, MAINTENANCE SUPPLIES, AGAIN, WE'RE KIND OF LOWERING THINGS. THEY DON'T NEED TO BE THAT HIGH. UM, BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS. UH, SO A GREAT THING ABOUT ED DALEY IS HE WAS A LIFETIME MEMBER OF JUST ABOUT EVERY, UM, ORGANIZATION. SO HE WASN'T HAVING TO PAY DUES, HE WASN'T HAVING TO PAY REGISTRATION FEES FOR A LOT OF THINGS. SO WE INCREASED THESE IN ORDER TO COVER, UM, BOTH THE NEW COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, MYSELF AND ZACH FOR OUR THREE CONFERENCES AND VARIOUS EDUCATIONAL THINGS THAT WE NEED TO DO. SO THAT'S WHERE THE INCREASE THROUGH THAT, UM, TRAVEL AND TRAINING IS FOR ADMINISTRATION. SO OVERALL IT'S AN INCREASE OF $62,000. ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS FOR THIS ONE? OKAY, [A.7. County Attorney - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator] THE NEXT ONE, THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. UM, THIS ONE'S PROBABLY THE SMALLEST DECREASE IN THE ENTIRE COUNTY OR INCREASE. IT'S BASICALLY JUST HER COLA FROM 26 TO 27. [02:00:01] UM, EVERYTHING ELSE HAS STAYED FLAT. YEAH. I HAVE A QUESTION ON THIS ONE. UHHUH. UM, WHEN I HAD, UH, BROUGHT THAT LEGAL SERVICES TRANSPARENCY, UH, POLICY TOGETHER, ONE OF THE THINGS WAS, UM, REGULAR REPORTING ON LEGAL MM-HMM . EXPENSES. AND SOME OF THE RESEARCH I HAD DONE, UH, WAS BASED ON RESEARCHING BUDGETED AMOUNTS OF OTHER COUNTIES. OKAY. UM, SUPERVISOR COLEYS BROUGHT IN, COS BROUGHT IN SOME ACTUAL, UH, EXPENDITURE RECORDS, WHICH WERE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS THAN WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS. MM-HMM . UM, AND I, AND WHEN THAT I WAS DOING THAT RESEARCH, I WAS LOOKING AT, AT JUST THE COUNTY ATTORNEY LINE ITEM OF, OF NEIGHBORING COUNTY. SO WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS AND WE TALK ABOUT OUR STAFF, WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT, OH, WHAT ARE THE OTHER COUNTIES? MM-HMM . UM, SO JUST LOOKING AT THE, THE BUDGETED LINE ITEM, UM, AND, AND BACK TO MR. CARTER'S POINT, DID THAT JUST IN INCLUDE THE COUNTY OR DID IT INCLUDE ALSO THE, UH, STAFF? UH, IT'S JUST THE LEGAL LINE ITEM. I WASN'T TARGETING JUST THE, THE ATTORNEY. UH, AND AS A SIDE NOTE, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT WE REGISTER, WE INTERVIEWED PROSPECTIVELY FOR THIS JOB WAS, UH, WAS SHELLSHOCKED THAT, THAT, UH, UH, OUR LEGAL BUDGET WAS SO HIGH. IT WAS, UH, ONE 10TH. UH, THEIRS WAS ONE 10TH OF OURS. UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, UH, ON A PER CAPITA BASIS, THE COUNTY SPENDS ABOUT NEARLY $10 PER CAPITA WHERE, UH, NANDO COUNTY IS ABOUT 4 74, $4 74. NOW, MY OBSERVATION WASN'T THAT, THAT I DON'T, I DON'T THINK A DIFFERENT RATE'S BEING PAID WITH ONE PLACE VERSUS ANOTHER PLACE. BUT IT, THE QUESTION IS, UH, AND IT, IT ACTUALLY, THE PERSON WHO BROUGHT IT TO MY, TO MY ATTENTION WAS, WAS ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT I INTERVIEWED. WHY? WHAT IS IT ABOUT OUR COUNTY THAT IS CONSUMING SO MUCH IN TERMS OF LEGAL SERVICES? THAT'S, I DON'T WANT YOU TO ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW. I CAN IF YOU DON'T, UH, WELL YOU CAN TRY. BUT, BUT, UM, SO I WANNA HELP. YEAH. SO WE HAD THIS THING CALLED, UH, EDA SCANDAL AND AT THAT POINT WE BECAME OVERLY SENSITIVE. SO WE STARTED CONSULTING WITH LEGAL FOR EVERYTHING. WHEREAS BEFORE A LOT OF IT DID NOT GO THROUGH LEGAL. UM, IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS IN-HOUSE AND NOW WE'RE LIKE, HEY, LET'S MAKE SURE WE'RE DOING THIS. UM, SO I THINK THAT HAS CAUSED AN INCREASE. UM, AND ALSO WE'VE BROUGHT SOME OTHER THINGS ONTO OURSELVES THAT HAVE INCREASED LITIGATION AND THE NEED TO HAVE LEGAL COUNSEL. AND I THINK THAT THAT WHO, THAT IT'S AN, UM, A WORTHY UNDERTAKING TO TAKE A, A LOOK AT REVISITING THAT. LIKE, CAN WE REVERT BACK TO NORMAL? 'CAUSE EDA SCANDAL ISN'T HERE ANYMORE. SO CAITLIN HAS DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB IN PARTNERING WITH JASON IN ORDER TO STREAMLINE OUR, UM, LEASES. WE REALIZED THAT ALL OF OUR LEASES WERE GROSSLY OUTTA DATE. WE WERE LOSING MONEY, UM, RATHER THAN COLLECTING AT THE RATES WE SHOULD BE, THEY'VE BECOME VERY STREAMLINED. SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING TO PARTNER WITH AN ATTORNEY. SHE DOES, UH, RENEWAL. AND IT'S STRUCTURED BASICALLY THE SAME. YEAH. HATE TO SAY IT'S A TEMPLATE, BUT IT IS. UM, AND IT'S MADE THINGS A LITTLE CLEANER. UM, AND THAT'S BEEN ONE OF THE THINGS THAT JASON HAS HELPED US TO DO WITH ALL OF OUR DOCUMENTS, IS TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE MORE CONSISTENT RATHER THAN HAVING THE VARIATIONS IN THEM. AND I THOUGHT, I THINK IT'S ALSO IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT LEGAL SERVICES FOR OUR COUNTY, LOOK AT THOSE THAT ARE BEING HANDLED BY YOUR INSURANCE CARRIER BECAUSE THOSE ARE GOOD CASES VERSUS YOUR COUNTY ATTORNEY FEES. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT LIKE SHENANDOAH, I CAN PICK ON THEM 'CAUSE UM, THEY HAVE A FEDERAL CASE. WELL, THEIR INSURANCE CARRIER'S PAYING FOR THAT, SO YOU'RE NOT SEEING THE LEGAL FEES FOR THAT. MM-HMM . BUT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING THERE. UH, WELL, AND I GUESS YOU GUYS HAVEN'T BEEN SUED RECENTLY. WELL, WE, WE, WE WERE, AND THEN OUR INSURANCE AND THEN, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR ATTORNEY HANDLED IT FOR A PERIOD OF TIME UNTIL THE INSURANCE KICKED IN. BUT WE STILL INCURRED A PRETTY BIG EXPENSE. RIGHT. BECAUSE HE HAD TO ACT RIGHT AWAY, YOU KNOW? YEP. UM, BUT ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, I LIKE TO LOOK AT PER CAPITA STUFF AND WE'RE ALWAYS LOOKING AT IT, COMPARING OURSELVES TO OTHER COUNTIES MM-HMM . AND SO WE COULD LOOK AT THAT HERE AND, UH, SEE IF WE'RE, IF WE'RE, IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN START MOVING BACK TO THE MM-HMM . TO THE NORMAL, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND HOW WE GOT HERE. UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S A PRETTY GOOD CHUNK OF MONEY AND OKAY. UM, AND, AND THE OTHER THING IS IF, UH, BECAUSE OF THE DATA, UM, THAT MRS. KOHLER HAS BROUGHT FORWARD AS TO EXPENDITURES, AND I HAD BEEN, I'M TALKING ABOUT BUDGETS 'CAUSE THAT'S THE EASIEST DATA TO FIND. [02:05:01] UM, IF WE HAVE BEEN UNDERSPENDING, RIGHT? WHY ARE WE GONNA BUDGET ANO, YOU KNOW, THE SAME OR MORE? SO LET'S JUST THINK ABOUT THAT. SURE. WILL, UM, I DO WANNA POINT OUT ON THE BOOKS AND SUBSCRIPTIONS LINE, THERE'S NO ACTUAL CHANGE, BUT I WANNA KIND OF JUST LET YOU ALL KNOW. SO WE HAVE NEXT REQUEST, WHICH IS OUR FOIA MANAGEMENT SOFTWARE. UM, PROBABLY ABOUT THREE WEEKS AGO WE PARTNERED WITH THE SCHOOLS BECAUSE THEY WERE HAVING A CHALLENGE WITH MAINTAINING AND, UM, BASICALLY REDACTING AND THE THINGS THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE IN ORDER TO MANAGE FOIAS. SO WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO PULL THEM INTO OUR SUBSCRIPTION SO THAT THEY'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE IT. IT'S A LOT CLEANER AND SAFER. UM, ESPECIALLY FROM THE REDACTION. IT'S BASICALLY CHECKING BEHIND YOU SO THAT YOU'RE NOT, UM, HAVING A CHILD'S PERSONAL INFORMATION RELEASED. UM, SO WE'VE BEEN REALLY EXCITED TO HAVE THAT PARTNERSHIP AND BE ABLE TO REALLY EXPAND THE USAGE OF, UM, THAT SOFTWARE. IT'S DEFINITELY PAID FOR ITSELF, HAND OVER FIST. IS THAT, DOES THAT MEAN WE JUST RECENTLY ADOPTED WHAT THEY'RE USING? IS THAT THE TRANSLATE? NO, NO, THEY WERE DOING EVERYTHING BY HAND. OH, THEY WERE DOING IT FOR HALF. YEAH. SO THEY STARTED BASICALLY, UM, DR. KASNER PARTNERED WITH KAITLYN, SHE GOT HIM ADDED ALONG WITH THE OTHER USERS FOR THE SCHOOLS. SO THEY'RE ABLE TO UTILIZE THE SOFTWARE THAT WE'VE BEEN USING FOR TWO YEARS. SO IT'S BEEN REALLY HELPFUL. I STILL, THEY DID MAKE A CHANGE AND THAT'S SOFTWARE RECENTLY MM-HMM . BECAUSE WE WERE REPORTING ALL FOIA REQUESTS, BUT IT ALSO IS IT ONE, SORRY. BUT IT ALSO LISTED, UH, THE PERSON'S NAME AND ADDRESS. UH, SO WE TALKED TO JASON AND, UM, I MADE A DECISION WE'RE TAKING ALL OF THAT OFF. THAT ALL THAT INFORMATION HAS BEEN REDACTED. SO, AND I'VE ACTUALLY USED MM-HMM . THE SERVICE BEFORE I CAME HERE, UH, TO SEE HOW YOU ALL WERE DOING. BUT THERE ARE THINGS ON THAT FOIA THAT I COULDN'T FIND ON OTHER SITES ON OUR, ON YOUR WEBSITE. UM, SO IT'S ACTUALLY A GREAT SERVICE, UM, TO LOOK AT SOME OF THOSE THINGS. SO THE PART THAT'S REMOVED NOW IS JUST THE PERSON THAT MADE THE ORIGINAL REQUEST, CORRECT. REQUEST MM-HMM . CORRECT. WELL, THAT'S PROBABLY FAIR. MM-HMM . YEAH. SO THAT WAY WE'RE NOT MAKING PEOPLE PAY FOR THE SAME FOIA OVER AND OVER. YEP. WELL, THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER ASPECT WHICH IS THAT SOMEBODY DID PAY FOR THE FOIA AND THEN EVERYBODY ELSE GETS THE PIGGYBACK ON IT. EXACTLY. MM-HMM . WELL, YOU COULD ALWAYS WAIT UNTIL SOMEBODY ASK FOR IT AND THEN PIGGY OFF THEM . I, I ACTUALLY THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. UH, I KNOW NOT EVERYONE FEELS THIS WAY, BUT, UH, IT MAY, IT HOPEFULLY WILL PREVENT REPETITIVE FOIAS ON THE SAME INFORMATION. MM-HMM. AND BUT THE, THE SET, AS LONG AS THE PERSON WHO ASK THE QUESTION HAS THEIR PRIVACY PROTECTED MM-HMM. I DON'T SEE THE PROBLEM. UM, IT DOES, UH, FOLLOW WHAT A LOT OF FEDERAL AGENCIES DO. LIKE, THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE A FOIA PAGE WHERE THEY PUT UP ALL THEIR REQUESTS IN A MATTER WHO ASKED. AND IT, UM, I GUESS IT JUST AMPLIFIES THE TRANSPARENCY. UM, IT, IT DOES MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THINGS THAT MAYBE YOU WOULD RATHER KEEP, YOU KNOW, IN THE DARK. BUT, UH, IT, UH, I THINK IN THE END, IT, IT PUTS EVERYONE ON A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD WITH WHAT INFORMATION THEY HAVE. YEAH. IT'S MADE US REALIZE SOME OF THE THINGS WE SHOULD HAVE ON OUR WEBSITE YEAH. THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO FOIA RATHER THAN HAVING IT AS REALLY PUBLIC FACING INFORMATION. MM-HMM . ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COUNTY ATTORNEY BUDGET? ALL RIGHT. [A.8. Tourism - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator ] TOURISM FAVORITE ONE. SO, IN HERE, UM, THE FIRST PAGE IS OUR STANDARD TOURISM BUDGET BASED OFF OF THE, UM, TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX. SO THEY HAVE 3% THAT WOULD BE USED FOR TOURISM. SO ROUGHLY ABOUT $360,000 WE'RE SEEING A SLIGHT DOWNTURN. UM, SO IT'S JUST SLIGHTLY BELOW THAT. UM, HOWEVER, THERE ARE TWO VERSIONS. ONE IS ONE THAT'S STRUCTURED AS TO WHAT WE'VE BEEN OPERATING OFF OF. I'D LIKE TO REMIND YOU ALL THAT WE HAVE NOT HAD A STAFF MEMBER IN PLACE FOR OVER A YEAR. SO IT'S BEEN INTERESTING, UM, ESPECIALLY AS WE GO INTO THE TWO 50. WE HAVE THREE SIGNIFICANT EVENTS PLANNED. UM, SO WE'RE RELYING ON THE, UM, TOURISM ADVISORY COMMITTEE TO BASICALLY HELP US DO THE STAFF WORK FOR THAT. UM, THE SECOND PAGE IS WHAT? SO JOE PETTY, LIZZIE LEWIS, BRAD AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET A COUPLE TIMES TO TALK ABOUT TOURISM. WHEN YOU SAY SECOND PAGE IS, IT SAYS PAGE 45 AT THE BOTTOM? NO, IT HAS THE RED. YES. UM, OKAY. SO THAT, UM, IN MEETING WITH JOE, HE WAS LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, WE HAVE A VISITOR CENTER. YOU DON'T NEED A SECONDARY VISITOR CENTER. UM, [02:10:01] WE'D LIKE THE COUNTY TO HELP WITH THE LABOR FOR THE VISITOR CENTER. AND THEN HE'S LIKE, AND GIVE US MONEY FOR MARKETING AND ADVERTISING. SO THE PAGES BEHIND THAT ARE THE TOWN'S BUDGET FOR 26, AND THEN THE ADVERTISING AND MARKETING EXPENDITURES THAT HE'D LIKE TO HAVE. UM, SO SOME OF THEM WE ALREADY PAY A PART OF. SO IT'S EVERYTHING IN RED IS WHAT WE WOULD SHIFT TO THE TOWN. AND THEN WITH THAT, BASICALLY WE WOULDN'T HAVE A TOURISM DEPARTMENT. WE WOULD USE THE REMAINING TOURISM DOLLARS FOR BASICALLY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT ARE HERE. SO THAT WOULD BE OUR SECONDARY OPTION. UM, THIRD OPTION, WHICH ISN'T IN HERE, IS TO DEVELOP A HYBRID MODEL THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY CAN DECIDE WHO'S GONNA DO WHAT. UM, 'CAUSE I'M PRETTY SURE THAT WITH THIS BREAKDOWN, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE LIKE, WELL, MAYBE THE COUNTY SHOULD BE PAYING SOME OF THE OFFICE SUPPLIES AND SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS THAT THEY'RE PAYING FOR. SO I THINK THAT THE 2 25 WOULD BE ACTUALLY A LITTLE HIGHER THAT THEY WOULD WANT FROM THE COUNTY. UM, SO THIS WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU ALL SHOULD PROBABLY CONSIDER DURING YOUR ADVANCE, KIND OF THINK ABOUT WHERE IT RANKS IN YOUR PRIORITIES. AND THEN EVENTUALLY WE WILL NEED DIRECTION AS TO WHERE YOU WOULD LIKE US TO GO WITH TOURISM. I, I COULD, UH, HAVING TWO SEPARATE ONES JUST SEEMS REDUNDANT. YOU KNOW, IT, IT WOULD MAKE MORE SENSE TO COMBINE THOSE EFFORTS, BUT WE'D STILL LIKE TO HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT OVER THE DOLLARS THAT WE CONTRIBUTE. AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE DOING NOW, SORT OF SOMEWHAT. SO WE GIVE THE TOWN A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT THAT'S, THEY CAN DO IT FOR WHATEVER THEY WANT. THEY DON'T HAVE TO USE IT FOR TOURISM. UM, AND THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT WE ACTUALLY DO JOINTLY, UM, WHETHER IT'S FUNDING DIFFERENT EVENTS OR DOING DIFFERENT MARKETING, BECAUSE IF WE'RE TRYING TO SPEND BASICALLY THREE TO $5,000 FOR A HALF PAGE AD, BUT WE CAN GO IN TOGETHER AND GET A FULL PAGE FOR 9,000 IF IT'S GONNA SAVE US MONEY, WE REALLY DO TRY TO PARTNER TOGETHER. UM, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT, I MEAN, THERE ARE BUDGET LIMITATIONS ON BOTH SIDES, SO IT'S KIND OF ALIGNING THOSE PRIORITIES. AND IT WOULD COME DOWN TO BASICALLY YOU ALL WORKING WITH THE TOWN TO DEVELOP THE MOU AND DECIDE HOW THAT WOULD WORK. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY, I'D LIKE TO INVITE EACH OF YOU AT SOME POINT, 'CAUSE WE CAN'T HAVE THREE TO COME TO A COMMITTEE MEETING AND SEE HOW IT IS CURRENTLY STRUCTURED. WE, WHEN I FIRST CAME ON THE BOARD, WAS IT TWO OR THREE YEARS THAT WE WORKED ON TRYING TO GET A JOINT TOURISM AND IT WAS A TOTAL DISASTER. IT DIDN'T WORK IT AND THEN IT FELL AND WE DID NOTHING FOR A COUPLE OF YEARS. UM, WHAT WE ARE DOING, AND DR. MARTIN CAME TODAY, SO I'D LIKE FOR HIM TO GIVE HIS OBSERVATION AS WELL OF, OF WHAT HE SAW. WE'VE GOT STAKEHOLDERS. SO THIS IS NOT JUST THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY, IT'S STAKEHOLDERS OF BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY ALL WORKING TOGETHER FOR THE COMMON GOOD. AND WE ARE, UM, COLLABORATING VERY WELL, MUCH BETTER THAN WE EVER DID WHEN WE WERE TRYING THIS YEARS AGO. AND WE ARE ACTUALLY MOVING THE BALL FORWARD AND HAVE VERY, UM, YOU KNOW, GOOD WITH THE MONEY. UH, YOU KNOW, IF LIZZIE COMES UP WITH SOMETHING AND SAYS, HEY, WE CAN GET THIS MUCH IF I DO IT BY MYSELF, OR WE CAN GET THIS MUCH IF WE DO IT TOGETHER, FINE. THAT SOUNDS GREAT. LET'S DO IT. UM, EVERYTHING THAT WE ARE DOING, WE'RE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE ADVERTISING US, WE'RE ADVERTISING THEM. UH, IT'S A VERY COLLABORATIVE, BUT THE MONEY IS LEFT OUT OF THE PICTURE UNTIL WE PAY FOR SOMETHING TOGETHER. AND THAT WAS THE BONE OF CONTENTION A LOT BEFORE. WHO'S, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING IN, WHO'S IN CHARGE OF IT? YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S FINALLY WORKING. AND I'D REALLY, BEFORE ANYBODY'S MAKES A JUDGMENT CALL, I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO GO TO A MEETING AND, AND SEE WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THEN I, AND I'LL GET YOUR OPINION ON WHAT YOU SAW TODAY. SO I WILL TELL YOU I WAS IMPRESSED. BUT I'M VERY IMPRESSED WITH JANE'S LEADERSHIP IN THIS WHOLE THING BECAUSE SHE HAS REALLY PULLED A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE TOGETHER, UH, WITH A COMMON GOAL. SO WHEN [02:15:01] YOU SIT IN THESE MEETINGS, WHEN I SAT IN FOR THE FIRST ONE TODAY, I DIDN'T KNOW IF YOU WERE TOWN OR COUNTY 'CAUSE IT DIDN'T REALLY MAKE A DIFFERENCE. THAT'S WAY IT SHOULD BE. RIGHT. UM, I KIND OF FIGURED THAT OUT BECAUSE GLENN FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL SAT NEXT TO ME AND WE TALKED BUDGET AND OTHER THINGS, BUT EVERYBODY, I MEAN WE, IT WAS JUST A VERY COLLABORATIVE GROUP. SO JANE, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. MM-HMM . 'CAUSE THIS IS BUDGET. SO IS THE EXPECTATION THAT THE COUNTY'S GONNA FUND 134,000 FOR IF WE DO IT WITH THE TOWN? NO, THAT WOULD BE WITH THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE REMAINING THAT WE COULD USE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. ANYTHING TO KIND OF DRIVE TOURISM ON OUR SIDE, EVERYTHING ELSE, THE 2 25 THAT WOULD BE GOING TO THE TOWN FOR THEM TO OPERATE. I HAVE A COUPLE COMMENTS. UM, I LIKE, I LIKE THAT I HEARD WHAT I HEARD. I I HEARD THAT. WHAT I, THAT WELL, AND I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO A NUMBER OF PEOPLE ON, UM, ON THIS BOARD THAT THE MAIN THING IS NO REDUNDANCY OR AT LEAST MINIMUM REDUNDANCY. SO, UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF WAYS TO ACCOMPLISH MINIMUM REDUNDANCY MM-HMM . THAT, SO WHATEVER THE ENVELOPE IS, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE EXPLORED. UM, THEY, THE JOINT COMMITTEE, UH, HAVING LOTS OF STAKEHOLDERS AND STUFF, I THINK IS VALUABLE. UM, ULTIMATELY IT'S THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY THAT HAVE MONEY THAT ARE BUDGETING FOR IT, AND ALL THOSE STAKEHOLDERS PARTICIPATE IN TERMS OF THAT WOULD BE A GOOD THING TO DO. OR THAT WOULDN'T BE A GOOD THING BECAUSE THEY'RE THE PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS MM-HMM . UM, SO THAT, THAT'S WONDERFUL. UH, INPUT. BUT THEY'RE NOT PUTTING DOLLARS IN, WE'RE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. PUTTING DOLLARS IN. RIGHT. I THINK, I MEAN, WELL, AND THAT'S WHERE, AS A BUSINESS OWNER, THEY ARE INVESTING DOLLARS IN OUR COMMUNITY AND WE WANT TO ENSURE THAT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL BECAUSE WE GET SALES TAX REVENUE, BUSINESS LICENSE REVENUE, THEY'RE REVENUE STREAMS THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT OUR LOCAL STAKEHOLDERS ARE VIABLE. YEAH. IT'S NOT A POINT, IT'S NOT A POINT OF CONTENTION AT ALL. UM, JUST, AND THEY'RE NOT ALL BUSINESS OWNERS. WE HAVE LIKE THE HERITAGE SOCIETY. RIGHT, OKAY. THE FOUR H CENTER. RIGHT. UM, NO, IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A POINT OF CONTENTION. MM-HMM. UM, I THINK THE, THE ISSUES ARE, UH, WELL ULTIMATELY COMES DOWN TO THIS JOINT COMMITTEE MAKING BEING A, UH, CAPABLE OF MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT, UM, WHETHER $137,000 IS THE RIGHT AMOUNT FOR ADVERTISING OR, OR $75,000 OR WHATEVER. BECAUSE, AND, AND I THINK WHAT I HEARD YOU SAY WAS THEY KIND OF APPROACHED THAT ON A CASE BY CASE BASIS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, UM, SO, SO NOT REALLY. NO. SO WHEN IT COMES DOWN TO MONEY, THEY'RE VERY MUCH AWARE THAT THE COUNTY IS THE ONE FOOTING THE BILL. UM, FOR THE ADVERTISING. FOR CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY AFTER WHAT WE'RE SPENDING FOR 26, THIS IS COMING FROM OUR, UM, SO THEY'RE PUT, THEY'RE FOOTING THE BILL FOR HR, BASICALLY, WELL, STAFFING MOSTLY, RIGHT? I MEAN, THEY HAVE A STAFF, SO THEY ARE, THEY'RE DOING A LOT OF LABOR IN ORDER TO MAKE THINGS HAPPEN. RIGHT. UM, SO THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE PROVIDING THAT SUPPORT FOR US. SO THE GENERAL INTENTION IS WE'RE GONNA KIND OF MATCH WHAT THEY'RE SPENDING ON LABOR AND TO DO WELL IT'S A, THAT'S WHY THIS WOULD REALLY NEED TO BE A LAID OUT MOU AND YOU WOULD NEED TO CHANGE PROBABLY THE MEMBERS ON THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE. YOU WOULD NEED AT LEAST TWO BOARD MEMBERS, TWO TOWN COUNCIL MEMBERS. RIGHT. INSTEAD OF IT JUST BEING ONE-ON-ONE. AND IT WOULD NEED TO BE A LOT MORE STRUCTURED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE SO EASY FOR MONEY TO INSTANTLY BECOME THAT BREAKING POINT. AND I THINK IF YOU LAY IT OUT AND YOU DEFINE KIND OF WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE YEAH. IN ORDER TO MAKE DECISIONS, IT ELIMINATES SOME OF THE KIND OF BACK AND FORTH. BUT CONCEPTUALLY WHAT'S HERE IS THAT THEY HAVE LABOR, WE'RE GONNA PUT CASH RIGHT. IN KIND, AND THAT THEY GET ESSENTIALLY A, A FAIR CONTRIBUTION THERE. THEN YOU HAVE WHAT'S LEFT TO BE CAPITAL. RIGHT. WHICH IS TO SUPPORT TOS. RIGHT. OKAY. AND IT REALLY WILL COME DOWN TO, UM, WITH YOU ALL ENSURING THAT YOU'RE COMFORTABLE WITH THEM MAKING THE DECISIONS ON HOW TO SPEND THAT WELL, THAT CASH NO, WELL, I WOULD JUST SLIGHTLY REPHRASE THAT. NOT US BEING COMFORTABLE WITH THEIR DECISIONS, BUT COLLABORATIVELY DECIDING WHAT TO DO BASED ON THIS COMMITTEE. WELL, AND THAT WOULD BE PART OF IT. SO YEAH, IF YOU DO ESTABLISH A COMMITTEE AND AN MOU, IT WOULD NEED TO BE LAID OUT BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES WITH AN ADVISORY BOARD, I MEAN SOMEWHAT, WE DO IT WITH YOU ALL, HEY, THIS IS HAPPENING. SO YOU FIND OUT ABOUT THINGS SOMEWHAT AFTER THE FACT AFTER THEY'RE ALREADY DONE. YEAH. OKAY. AND IF THERE'S A EXPENDITURE THAT, [02:20:01] YOU KNOW, IF THEY WANNA SPEND $50,000 ON SOMETHING, UNLESS IT'S LAID OUT THAT IT NEEDS TO COME TO THE ADVISORY BOARD, THERE ARE THINGS THAT I CAN I UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND. GET OUTTA MY HAND. WE'RE, WE'RE PROBABLY GETTING LOWER THAN CONCEPTUAL. YEAH. AND I'M, I'M HAPPY WITH THE WAY THAT YOU'VE PRESENTED THIS AS AT LEAST CONCEPTUALLY. SO THANK YOU. AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE TOO, THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS OUT IN THE COUNTY, SO HAVING AN, AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF INPUT AND SUCH ON THOSE THINGS WHERE IF YOU TURN TOO MUCH OVER, THINGS NEED TO BE DONE SOMEWHERE BESIDES JUST ON, ON MAIN STREET. AND I LOVE THE EVENTS THAT ARE I'M GLAD YOU SAID THAT. I WAS THINKING ABOUT THAT. AND, AND HOW DO WE MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROMOTING TOURISM AND, AND, AND THAT IS AIRBNBS AND FESTIVALS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. AND THAT'S, UM, VERY MUCH UNDERSTOOD IN THIS GROUP THAT THE FOCUSES ON BOTH. YEAH. AND, UM, THAT YOU'LL SEE WITH A LOT OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE PLANNED, THERE'S A BIG EVENT THAT'S GONNA BE AROUND, UM, CHESTER STREET. MM-HMM . IN THAT AREA, BUT THEN THERE'S GONNA BE STUFF OUT EASTON PARK MM-HMM . UM, SO TAKING IT OUT FURTHER. YEAH, I, I'D HEARD THAT, UH, I STARTED IN WITH A QUESTION. IT WAS, UH, I'D HEARD VERY GOOD THINGS, YOU KNOW, THAT WE WERE FINALLY MOVING IN A, IN A GOOD DIRECTION ON THAT. THE, UH, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT WAS, UH, BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING WAS IS THAT, UH, UH, UH, THE TOWN COUNTY HAVING DIFFERENT WEBSITES FOR THAT MAYBE MM-HMM . UH, AND IT MAY BE SOME POINT AS THIS PROGRESSES, WE CAN PUT THOSE FUNDS TOGETHER AND HAVE A BETTER SPONSORED WEBSITE THAT THAT'LL SHOW UP BETTER. I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S BEEN IN DISCUSSION AND COMMITTEE OR NOT, BUT, AND THAT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT IS EASY TO DO AND YOU CAN COLLABORATE ON THAT. IT'S NOT A PROBLEM. BUT IT'S IMPORTANT THAT TOWN RESIDENTS AND COUNTY RESIDENTS OR STAKEHOLDERS FEEL THAT THEY'RE EQUALLY REPRESENTED ON IT. UM, BECAUSE THAT'S BEEN THE BIGGEST FEEDBACK OF OH, YOU'RE FOCUSING ON, YOU KNOW, ONLY MOM AND POPS. WELL YES. CHAIN RESTAURANTS, GUESS WHAT? THEY GENERATE REVENUE FOR US TOO. THEY NEED TO BE REPRESENTED. UM, THERE ARE A LOT OF THINGS THAT WE NEED TO BASICALLY LAY OUT IF WE DO MOVE FORWARD. I DON'T IF IT'S STEALS US AWAY OR NOT, BUT IT IS WHY IT WAS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION IS THAT THE, UH, THE DISCOVER WARREN COUNTY SITE DID NOT HAVE THE TOWN BUSINESSES LISTED AT ONE TIME. I DUNNO IF THAT'S STILL TRUE OR NOT. AND THEN, UH, THE UNFAIRNESS TO THAT WOULD BE IS THAT THEY PAY COUNTY TAXES TOO. I'M LIKE, THE HARD PART IS, IF YOU REALLY THINK ABOUT IT, YOUR RESTAURANTS ARE IN TOWN FOR THE MOST PART. UM, THINGS HAVE STARTED TO REALLY KIND OF EXPAND ON THE NORTH END. BUT YOU, IF THE COUNTY DIDN'T CHAMPION DOWNTOWN, YOU'RE MISSING OUT ON A LOT OF SHOPPING AND FOOD AND YEAH. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S STILL LIKE IT OR NOT, BUT THEY SAID IT ONE TIME. NO, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. WELL, YOU AS THIS, AS THE SLOGAN GOES, YOU DISCOVER FRONT WORLD, BUT EXPERIENCE WARREN COUNTY. RIGHT. SO YOU COME HERE TO HIKE OR CANOE OR TO CAMP AND ALL THAT, BUT THE EATING VENUES ARE NOT AS PLENTIFUL AS THEY ARE RIGHT HERE. SO COMBINING THOSE TWO. YES SIR. YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? I JUST WANNA SAY THAT, UM, THOUGH THE MEALS AND LODGING TAX, WHICH IS REFERENCED HERE, UM, THE BOARD WANTED TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT THAT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS. 'CAUSE I HAVE ALTERNATE USES FOR SOME OF THAT MONEY THAT'LL BE MADE CLEAR IN THE BUDGET PROCESS. RIGHT NOW THE ONLY FUNDING WE HAVE TOWARDS TOURISM IS A 3% LOGIC AND THAT'S IT. RIGHT. AND HOW MUCH DO WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IN THE BANK? WE, WELL, I THINK WE'VE ONLY SPENT ABOUT $60,000 FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR. OKAY. SO WE HAVE ABOUT 300,000 THAT WE ARE SPENDING. AND THAT'S, WHAT IS THAT, HOW MUCH IS THE ANNUAL EXPECTED REVENUE? I KNOW IT WAS BUDGETED AT 360, BUT I THINK WE'RE ACTUALLY TRENDING THREE 70. OKAY. 'CAUSE I KNOW WE, SO WE GET THE AUDITS DONE. YEAH. IT, IT WAS TALKED ABOUT USING, UH, A LUMP OF THAT TOURISM MONEY COULD BE DONE FOR THE BALLPARK, THE ROCKLAND PARK THING. 'CAUSE THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TOURISM IF IT CONSIDERS TOURISM THAT WORKS. SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY USE A BIG LUMP OF IT AND THEN YOU DOUBLE TRIPLE THAT MONEY WITH THE GRANTS. THAT HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE KIND OF WORKED THROUGH WITH ALYSSA, UM, IN ORDER TO SEPARATE WHAT THAT FUNDING WAS. UM, 'CAUSE ED WAS LIKE SPECIFICALLY FOR ROCKLAND, LIKE CAN WE USE TOURISM? 'CAUSE WE USED I THINK 54,000 TO GET THE PLANS KIND OF GOING. AND THEN WE HAD THE CAPITAL ALLOCATION FOR THIS YEAR TO CONTINUE WITH THAT DEVELOPMENT. BUT UM, YOU CAN USE THAT AS, AS FAR AS THE WEBSITE GOES. THAT WAS ON OUR LAST MEETING. RIGHT? IT WAS [02:25:01] LIKE, IT WAS LIKE 42 GRAND OR SOMETHING. NO, IT'S $5,000. I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE THAN THAT, BUT THAT'S FINE. I WON'T DISAGREE. IT WAS LIKE 52 WHATEVER. 50 BUT OKAY. BUT IS THAT SOMETHING, I DON'T KNOW WHEN THEY NEEDED TO KNOW IF WE COULD WAIT AND FIND OUT HOW THIS RESTS. YOU CAN WAIT. YEAH. IT DOESN'T ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE DECIDED. I THINK FOR PROBABLY A MONTH OR TWO. I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THIS, UH, JOINT COMMITTEE TO, TO TALK ABOUT BRANDING AND, AND LIKE, LIKE JUST WHEN'S THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING FOR YOU? MARCH 26TH. CONFUSED BRANDS OR, OR? WELL, AND HERE'S WHERE IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO SOMETHING JOINTLY DISCOVER FRONT ROYAL HAS TO SAY YES, WE WANT TO DO THAT. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE'VE PROBABLY THE LAST TWO LIAISON MEETINGS, IT'S COME UP. UM, SO IF YOU DO WANT TO DO IT JOINTLY, THOSE DISCUSSIONS NEED TO PROBABLY BE MORE FREQUENT THAN THE NEXT TOURISM ADVISORY MEETINGS. NO, I WAS JUST THINKING IF YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE NEXT MEETING, MARCH 26TH AND MS. CALLON SAID SOMETHING ABOUT ATTEND INVITING US THERE MM-HMM . BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER MM-HMM . JUST TO ANNOUNCE IT AS A PUBLIC MEETING, THEN WE ALL COULD ATTEND AT THE SAME TIME. I WAS GONNA SAY WE COULD DO THAT. YEAH. MIGHT BE BETTER TO WHAT TIME IS THE MEETING AT 10:00 AM AND IF WE NEED TO SWITCH TIMES WE CAN. UM, WE'VE SCHEDULED FIVE BASICALLY THE NEXT TWO, EVERY TWO WEEKS FOR THE NEXT SIX WEEKS. SIMPLY BECAUSE WE HAVE 40, 43 DAYS ON JULY ONE STREET FOR HAVING TO START WITH THE FISCAL YEAR. EXACTLY. YEP. YEP. AND AS OF RIGHT NOW, THE MEETING WILL BE AT THE HERITAGE SOCIETY, CORRECT? MM-HMM . WE BOUNCE AROUND IT. UM, SO EVERYONE KIND OF GETS A FEEL OF, UM, WHAT THE COUNTY HAS TO OFFER. MM-HMM . PERFECT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AWESOME. THANK Y'ALL. HAVE A GOOD DAY. THANK YOU. JANE, DON'T LEAVE. UHOH. YES SIR. UM, I WANNA TALK ABOUT THE BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS FOR JUST A MINUTE AND TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE I THINK WE'RE GOING. SO WE'RE HAVING THIS MEETING TODAY. WE'RE HAVING ANOTHER ONE TOMORROW. WE'RE HAVING YOUR ADVANCE ON SATURDAY WHERE YOU GUYS WILL BE DEVELOPING YOUR PRIORITIES, WHICH WILL HELP THE THREE OF US DETERMINE WHAT'S GOING TO GO IN AND WHAT'S GONNA GO OUT, WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE. AND THEN ON THE CALENDAR IS TUESDAY, WHICH IS A MARKUP MARKDOWN PROCESS. SO I WANT TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND, UM, SOME COMMITMENTS I'VE MADE TO ALL OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS. SO AFTER YOU HAVE YOUR PRIORITIES, AND WE ARE GONNA HAVE TO SIT DOWN AND DETERMINE WHAT'S GONNA BE IN THE BUDGET, BUT I MADE A COMMITMENT TO ALL THOSE DEPARTMENT HEADS THAT THEY WOULD KNOW WHAT'S IN AND WHAT'S OUT. 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA SIT DOWN WITH US BEFORE YOU HEAR IT BECAUSE I WANT TO HAVE THAT CONVERSATION YET AGAIN. I WANT TO KNOW HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT WHAT'S IN AND WHAT'S NOT. UM, I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT BY TUESDAY, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. UM, THAT'S REALLY GONNA PUSH US. UM, BUT I ALSO WANT TO KNOW WHAT YOUR, UM, EXPECTATIONS ARE, UM, FOR PUTTING THIS BUDGET DOCUMENT TOGETHER. SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT I'VE HEARD AND YOU CORRECT ME. I WANT TO GIVE YOU A HARD COPY OF THE BUDGET WHEN I PRESENT IT A HARD COPY. SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A BUDGET MESSAGE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL THE NARRATIVES. UM, AND ALYSSA FOUND, ACTUALLY I THREW HER KIND OF A, A LEFT TURN THERE, REALLY BIG ONE. UM, I WANT YOU TO BE ABLE TO SEE LINE BY LINE OF ALL THESE BUDGETS PRIOR YEARS WHAT WE'RE SUGGESTING. AND THE LAST LINE WILL BE PLUS OR MINUS. AND THEN WE CAN EXPLAIN WHY THE PLUS OR MINUS. BUT I WANT, I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL A LOT OF DETAIL. UM, IN THE HARD DOCUMENT, WHAT THE PUBLIC'S GONNA SEE PROBABLY WILL BE A ONE PAGER WHERE THEY CAN CLICK ON THINGS AND SEE ALL THE STUFF BEHIND IT. BUT I WANT YOU TO HAVE IN YOUR HANDS A HARD COPY. SO IS THAT YOUR EXPECTATION? BECAUSE I WANT TO GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT. UM, THAT WORKS FOR ME. [02:30:01] UH, BODY LANGUAGE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE NOW. LIKE IT'S THIS OR NOT. I SAID THAT WORKS FOR ME. YEAH. OR WHATEVER YOU ASKING. IF HAVING A PAPER COPY IS WHAT I EXPECT. YES. WELL, I DON'T CARE IF IT'S PAPER OR ELECTRONIC. IF IT'S ELECTRONIC, IT'S GONNA BE BOTH. PRINT THE BOX I WANT. YEAH. BUT IT'S GONNA BE BOTH. I I WANT YOU TO HAVE SOMETHING IN YOUR HAND THAT YOU CAN WRITE ON. YOU CAN, YEAH. WELL, WHATEVER. THE ONE THING I DO DO EXPECT IS, UH, 4 24, 25 AND 26 TO BE ON THAT. OKAY. OKAY. AND I SAID AT LEAST TWO YEARS, SO YEAH. WELL THAT'S, THAT'S, YEAH. YEAH. WE CAN DO. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. CAN WE, THAT SHOULD BE EASY. CAN WE REDUCE IT A LITTLE BY HAVING 24 AMENDED? 25 AMENDED, 26 AMENDED IS, YEAH. I WANT, I DON'T WANT, I DON'T, WE DON'T NEED LIKE 10 COLUMNS, BUT WE WANT GIVE YOU A, LIKE YOU SAID, WE WANT TO GIVE YOU A HISTORY. SO YOU'LL HEAR THE C ACTUALLY TURNED OUT TO BE, I MEAN THE AMENDED. OKAY. YEAH. SO YOU'RE ASKING FOR ACTUALS RATHER THAN THE AMENDED. THE AMENDED WOULD BE THE BUDGET ADOPTED. YEAH. IN ALL BUDGET SUPPLEMENTS IS ACTUALS. WHEN ACTUALS WOULD'VE ACTUALLY CALLED, YOU KNOW, BE NICE TO SEE THE, BUT I DON'T WANT TO SEE IT WENT UP OR DOWN FROM YEAH. SAY THE ORIGINAL 25 BUDGET. 25 AMENDED, 25 AXLE. OH, IT JUST BECOMES TOO, RIGHT? YEAH. THE QUESTION IS HOW FAR DO WE HAVE AXS THROUGH? 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE AN ON. SO DOES THAT MATTER? DOES THAT RELATE TO THIS? IT COULD JUST BE AN AUDITED ACTUALS. OH, AN AUDIT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE AUDIT, WE REALLY WANNA FOCUS ON WHAT YOU'VE BEEN PROVIDED ALREADY. YEAH. IN YOUR MONTHLY REPORTS MATCHES UP TO WHAT YOU WILL BE PROVIDED FOR YOUR ACTUALS FOR 24 25, WHICH IS THE SAME AND SHOULDN'T CHANGE A WHOLE LOT WHEN IT COMES TO THE FINAL AUDIT VERSION. SO 24, ACTUAL 25 AL 26 AMENDED. BECAUSE WE WON'T HAVE 26 ACTUAL ACTUALS, RIGHT? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. OR WOULD YOU PROVIDE 26 ACTUALS THROUGH A CERTAIN POINT THAT THAT ACTUALLY CONFUSES THEM? THAT'LL, THAT WILL BE THROUGH FEBRUARY. SO YOU'RE ONLY GONNA GET YEAH, THAT, THAT, THAT'S NINE MONTHS. THAT'S YEAH, THAT'S NO BE 20. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SO 24 ACTUALS, 25 ACTUALS AND 26 AMENDED BUDGET. YEAH. SO YOU'RE GONNA SEE ACTUALS VERSUS BUDGET. AND SO ANOTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION IS WHAT YOU'RE ASKING US IS THAT YOU ARE GOING TO, YOU, WHAT YOU WANT TO GIVE US IS WHAT YOU ARE GOING TO DISTILL AFTER ANOTHER ROUND BEFORE YOUR DEPARTMENT. TECHNICALLY, YES. BUT THAT, BUT THAT'S TUESDAY. SO, SO YOU MENTIONED YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT BY TUESDAY. I DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THAT. TWO MORE A WEEK. AND, AND I, AND I WOULD RATHER, IT'S IMPORTANT TO ME TO GET SOMETHING FROM THE ADMINISTRATION THAT IS REASONABLY CLOSE TO WHAT IS, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT THIS RATIONAL MM-HMM . I MEAN, OKAY. I DON'T WANT, UM, TO HAVE A, A BIG SHEET OF PAPER IN FRONT OF ME THAT HAS OF A OBJECT THAT'S TWICE THE SIZE OF WHAT'S POSSIBLE. MM-HMM. EXACTLY. YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? I MEAN, I'M NO, I'M, I'M BEING HYPERBOLIC, BUT I'M WITH YOU. YOU GO AROUND ANOTHER ROUND WITH EVERYBODY AND YOU JUST KIND OF SAY, LET'S BE PRAGMATIC. I MEAN RIGHT. SO LET ME TELL YOU WHAT, OR WE'RE STARTING TO DO A LITTLE BIT, UM, , I WANNA SEE HOW MUCH, WHAT I'VE HEARD SO FAR, I CAN DO ON THE CURRENT BUDGET. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND THAT'S GONNA REDUCE THEM. WE'VE STARTED TO HAVE SOME OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS, BUT I NEED TIME TO REALLY FLUSH THIS OUT. SO WHEN I GIVE YOU THE BUDGET, UM, I'M GONNA TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE PAID FOR ALREADY. THIS IS THE DELTA. BUT AT THE SAME TIME, TO YOUR POINT, IT HAS TO BE REALISTIC. HAS TO BE, AND . SO I DON'T WANNA TALK TAX INCREASE, BUT UM, AFTER LAST NIGHT, IF YOU PUT THAT IN THERE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS AT 8.5 MILLION ASK YEAH. I SAID I, WE CAN'T EVEN LEGALLY RAISE IT THAT MUCH. I WOULDN'T ANYWAY, SO, AND I THINK TODD FEATHER IN THE MIDDLE OF MAIN STREET, SO I THINK I NO, NO. SO, BUT REMEMBER THEIR JOB AND I THINK MY JOB IS WE HAVE TO PRESENT TO OUR BOARD WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. NOT THE WISHES, BUT WHAT THE NEEDS ARE. THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU'VE GOTTA FUND EVERY ONE OF THE NEEDS. IT MEANS NOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO BACK TO YOUR PRIORITIES AND WHAT YOU'RE GONNA HEAR ME SAY, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, WE'VE DEVELOPED A RUBRIC AND [02:35:01] WE'RE GONNA GO BACK. SO IF THE NEED IS RELATED TO YOUR PRIORITIES, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A THREE. IF IT'S NOT, WE'RE GONNA GIVE IT A TWO OR ONE. SO THEN WE GO BACK AND SAY, LET'S LOOK AT ALL OF OUR THREES. BUT IT'S GOTTA BE BASED ON WHAT YOU WANT, UM, WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE. THAT'S WHY SATURDAY'S IMPORTANT TO US. VERY IMPORTANT. 'CAUSE I GOT KNOW WHAT YOUR DIRECTION IS BEFORE I CAN START, IF I MAY, IN TERMS OF SCHEDULE, I, I KNOW WE'RE TRYING TO, AND I'M GLAD WE'RE TRYING TO, TO GET THIS DONE ON THE EVERY POSSIBLE DATE, BUT WE'RE GONNA, YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, SEEING THIS A SATURDAY. IF YOU NEED TO SLIP DAYS HERE AND THERE, SLIP THE DAYS TO GET, HAVE THE TIME TO GO AROUND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AGAIN RATHER THAN STICKING TO A DATE JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE DATE WAS LAID DOWN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TIME TO DO THE, THE WORK WITH YOUR DEPARTMENT HEADS. THAT, THAT'S THE POINT OF ME BRINGING IT UP. . OKAY, WELL HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU THINK YOU NEED? UM, WHAT'S A REAL REALISTIC, 'CAUSE A WEEK ENOUGH, CAN, CAN I LET YOU KNOW ON, UM, AFTER I TALK TO STAFF? YEAH, WE'LL SEE YOU TOMORROW ANYWAY. YEAH, I MEAN WE CAN HAVE THIS DISCUSSION TOMORROW AND IF WE CAN LOOK AT A TENTATIVE, UM, CALENDAR OR A REORGANIZATION OF YOUR CALENDAR FOR THAT, WE CAN BRING THAT TO YOU TOMORROW IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. SUITS ME. YOU, YOU FEEL DOING THE ADVANCE IS STILL IMPORTANT TO THIS PROCESS? I'M SORRY? THE ADVANCE ON SATURDAY. OH MY GOSH, YES. OKAY. 'CAUSE I WAS GONNA SAY IF WE NEEDED TO PUSH NO, HE NEEDS THAT FIRST BEFORE HE GOES BACK. WELL I THOUGHT SO, BUT I WANTED TO CLARIFY AND IF THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AND THEN DO IT THE NEXT WEEKEND OR WHATEVER. BUT I UNDERSTOOD EARLIER, I FELT LIKE THAT WAS IT THOUGH. I JUST WANTED TO RECLARIFY THAT. BUT I WANT TO BE SURE AND, UH, MAYBE TUESDAY BECAUSE IT'S UP OR DOWN, UM, I MAY GIVE YOU SOME SAMPLES OF WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON 'CAUSE I WANNA BE SURE THAT IT'S WHAT YOU WANT. UM, AND WE HAVE, OR I HAVE, I'VE LOOKED AT OTHER LOCALITIES OF HOW THEY'VE DONE THIS. UM, AND I'VE EXPERIENCED QUITE A FEW OF THOSE. UM, BUT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE FRAME THIS IN SUCH A WAY THAT I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAIL THAT YOU WANT IN A BUDGET SO YOU CAN WALK AWAY AND SAY, YOU CAN ALMOST POINT TO THE LINE AND KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THAT LINE. IF YOU WANT THAT DETAIL. WELL, THANK YOU. I I THINK THE PUBLIC WILL WANT THAT DETAIL TOO. YEAH. SO. ALRIGHT. I THINK WE ARE ADJOURNED. THANK YOU ALL. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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