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OKAY. 
          IT'S A FEW MINUTES AFTER FIVE, SO WE'LL GET THIS, UM, WORK SESSION STARTED, THE MAY, MARCH 10TH, 2026. 
          AND, UM, ON THE AGENDA, 
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WE NEED TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF REARRANGING, WE NEED TO MOVE THE CLOSED SESSION TO THE END OF THE MEETING. 
          SO IF I COULD HAVE, UM, MOTION TO MAKE THAT ADJUSTMENT AND MOVE THAT TO THE END. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THE, WE MOVE THE CLOSED SESSION TO THE END OF THE MEETING AFTER THE WORK SESSION. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND? AND, UH, SINCE MR. HENDERSON IS PLAYING DOUBLE DUTY WITH VIDEO, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'LL MOVE THAT TO THE END. 
          AND, UM, DR. MARTIN, DO I STILL NEED TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NO, THANK WE'RE GOOD. 
          SO WITH THAT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED? SO MOVED. 
          UH, SECOND. 
          PROBABLY SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, THAT WAY IN THE FIRST PLACE, BUT IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, WE ARE GOOD ON THE AGENDA NOW. 
          SO THE FIRST PRESENTATION WAS TO BE THE INSURANCE, BUT SINCE WE HAVE JUST REARRANGED, WE'RE GONNA GO DOWN TO THE 
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SECOND AND THAT WILL BE PERSONNEL REQUEST. 
          AND MS. STARR IS GONNA FILL US IN ON ALL OF THOSE? YES, MA'AM. 
          I DO HAVE FOR YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE ONE IS JUST AN UPDATED SUMMARY OF THE PERSONNEL REQUEST, AND THE OTHER ONE IS FOR THE RENEWAL. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. 
          SO I BELIEVE EVERYONE SHOULD HAVE RECEIVED THEIR BINDERS WITH THE FULL PERSONNEL REQUESTS FROM ALL DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, SO THE ONLY TWO THINGS THAT HAVE CHANGED AND THAT HAVE BEEN UPDATED ON THAT SHEET THAT I JUST GAVE YOU WOULD BE, UM, TWO DEPARTMENTS HAVE WITHDRAWN THEIR REQUEST. 
          ONE IS FINANCE AND THE OTHER IS THE COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO EVERYONE ELSE IS STILL THE SAME AND ALL OF THEIR ITEMS ARE STILL IN YOUR BUDGET BINDER. 
          WHICH TWO? COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY. 
          I'M SORRY, WHICH TWO? FINANCE AND COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY'S OFFICE. 
          SO IN SPEAKING WITH MR. BELL, HE SAID THE COMP BOARD WAS NOT GONNA FUND HIS POSITION, SO HE JUST WITHDREW THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT PERSONNEL? UH, THIS, THIS IS ON YEAH, THE CIRCUIT COURT ONE. 
          THAT WAS A, UH, THAT WAS A REIMBURSEMENT POSITION TOO, WASN'T IT? YES. 
          THAT'S BEEN COMP BOARD FUNDED SINCE JULY 1ST, 2025. 
          SO IT'S, SO IT'S NOT REALLY ANY ADDITIONAL FORM. 
          CORRECT, YES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE? I THINK THEY WERE PRETTY, PRETTY MUCH EXPLAINED EARLIER, BUT ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? IS THERE A, UM, THE GRANTS AND COMMUNICATIONS SPECIALIST MM-HMM . 
          IS THERE ANY IDEA OF A TIME SPLIT BETWEEN THIS? AND ALSO IS THERE A, HAVE THE SCHOOLS ALSO MADE A REQUEST FOR A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST? I BELIEVE? YES. 
          THERE'S, I BELIEVE IS A HR AND A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST. 
          UM, OURS IS A GRANTS 'CAUSE WE USED TO HAVE A GRANTS PERSON BEFORE THAT WAS FULL, FULL-TIME. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN WE HAD SOMEONE THAT WAS PART-TIME. 
          UM, AND THERE'S BEEN A NEED FOR GRANTS, I THINK THROUGHOUT THIS YEAR WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TALKED ABOUT FUNDING. 
          UM, WHEN IT COMES TO THE SPLIT, I'M NOT SURE I CAN FIND OUT FOR YOU THOUGH. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I, I, I, I THINK WE ALSO HAVE NEEDED A COMMUNICATIONS, A PUBLIC COMMUNICATION, PUBLIC FACING COMMUNICATIONS PERSON FOR SOME TIME NOW. 
          UM, AND I DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THE, THE WAY THAT A GRANT WRITER CAN PAY FOR THEMSELVES. 
          SO MM-HMM . 
          I JUST, THE TWO THINGS I WONDERED WAS IF WE HAVE A CONCEPT 
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OF HOW THAT WOULD SPLIT WOULD GO, UM, AND, AND HOW CRITICAL IT IS FROM, FROM, UM, FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR'S POINT OF VIEW THAT THE THEY ACTUALLY DO BOTH. 
          YES. 
          THAT LIKE, THE DEMANDS OF ONE NOT OVERCOME AND THEN THEY CAN'T DO THE OTHER JOB. 
          YES. 
          AND AND THAT LEADS TO A THIRD QUESTION IS, IS THIS A, IS THIS A A A SKILL MIX THAT'S EXPECTED, UM, TO FIND A GRANT WRITER AND A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST? MM-HMM . 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          UM, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THAT BRINGS UP THE POTENTIAL FOR, FOR SCHOOLS PARTNERSHIP. 
          IF, IF, ARE THEY LOOKING FOR A GRANT WRITER TOO? I MEAN, IF THERE'S, IF THEY BOTH, I DON'T WANNA SAY DEPARTMENTS, BUT IF THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOLS BOTH NEED A COMMUNICATION SPECIALIST AND THEY BOTH NEED, WERE LOOKING FOR GRANTS AND MAYBE THE TWO PEOPLE COULD EACH DO ONE THING. 
          SO, AND ANYWAY, ARE WE IN THE MODE OF BEING ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THE SCHOOLS ON SUCH THINGS OR ASK THEM? WE ARE. 
          AND, UH, WE'VE HAD THOSE DISCUSSIONS, UM, NOT ONLY FOR THIS POSITION, BUT FOR ANOTHER POSITION WHICH, UH, IS, UH, DAILY MAIL CARRIER. 
          THERE'S ONE THAT EXISTS FOR THE SCHOOLS AND WE HAVE IT IN OUR BUDGET. 
          AND THAT MIGHT BE A VERY QUICK COLLABORATION FOR THEM TO VISIT THE COUNTY OFFICES AND DO THE MAIL RUNS EVERY DAY. 
          I'VE, I'VE ALSO, UM, ASKED THE QUESTION OF THE SCHOOLS, UH, I THINK HAVE MENTIONED THAT THEY NEED SOMEONE TO WORK ON FOIA REQUEST, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          AND IF THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER POSITION THAT COULD BE COMBINED INSTEAD OF HIRING TWO, HIRE ONE THAT COULD DO IT FOR COUNTYWIDE AND MAYBE WORK WITH MS. SHELTON. 
          JUST TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, THINK OF THINGS THAT ARE KIND OF REDUNDANT AND LOWERING THE COST OF SPREADING THE COST OUT AMONGST THE THREE SO THAT SHARED COSTS COULD SAVE SOME MONEY FOR A POSITION THAT IS NEEDED, BUT THE MONEY'S NOT FAIR. 
          SO I HAVE THROWN THAT OUT AS AN IDEA. 
          SOUNDS. 
          SO WE CERTAINLY WILL LOOK AT THAT. 
          UM, BECAUSE WE WILL ALL BE DEBRIEFING ON ALL THESE POSITIONS IN THE COMING WEEK, BECAUSE WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO YOU A WEEK FROM TODAY. 
          UM, REGARDING, UM, BUILDING INSPECTIONS, THERE WAS A, I KNOW THIS WAS TOUCHED ON, BUT I DON'T, I DON'T REMEMBER HEARING THE ANSWER. 
          THERE WAS A FEE INCREASE, UH, TWO YEARS BACK, I THINK, IF I RECALL MM-HMM . 
          THREE AND, UM, THREE, THREE YEARS BACK. 
          AND I JUST WONDERED IF, IF THERE'S KNOWLEDGE OF, UH, EVEN WHEN THAT WAS DONE, IT WAS AT LEAST TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT FEE INCREASE COULD HELP FUND THE OFFICE. 
          AND, UM, THE QUESTION IS DO WE KNOW WHAT REVENUE INCREASE THERE'S BEEN AND, AND IS IT, IS IT SUFFICIENT TO COVER THIS POSITION? GREAT QUESTION. 
          I WILL REACH OUT TO MR. BEAM AND WE'LL GET AN ANSWER FOR YOU. 
          HE'S, OH, HE'S ACTUALLY HERE. 
          HE'S HERE. 
          SO IT LOOKS LIKE HE'S READY TO ANSWER. 
          HE'S READY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND HE'S WALKING WITH DETERMINATION. 
          , LET US, I THOUGHT IT'D BE SAD. 
          . 
          I DID TOUCH ON THAT SLIGHTLY ON THAT. 
          I REMEMBER IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND THAT'S FINE, BUT I DON'T REMEMBER THE DETAILS. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          UM, THE FIRST YEAR OF THE INCREASE ACTUALLY TOOK US UP TO APPROXIMATELY 720,000, WHICH WAS STILL SHORT FROM WHAT, WHAT OUR BUDGET WAS. 
          YOU, YOU, WAS THAT AN INCREASE OF 720,000 IN FEES OR UP TO NO, IT TOOK, TOOK THE FEE FEES UP TO APPROXIMATELY 700. 
          FROM WHAT? FROM AT THAT POINT IN TIME? I BELIEVE IT WOULD HAVE BEEN AROUND 490,000 TO 510. 
          OKAY. 
          SOMEWHERE IN THAT NE NEIGHBORHOOD. 
          HOWEVER, WITH THE MARKET, WE CAN'T, WE WE'RE NOT AN ADVERTISING TYPE RIGHT. 
          SCENARIO. 
          SO THIS YEAR PREVIOUS, WE WERE BACK DOWN TO APPROXIMATELY 590,000. 
          SO IT WENT DOWN APPROXIMATELY 130,000. 
          AS FAR AS THE REVENUE I DID, IT WENT UP TWO 20, THEN IT, THEN IT WENT DOWN A HUNDRED. 
          YES. 
          I MEAN, SO IT'S STILL UP ONE 20, I MEAN, YES. 
          SO THE AMOUNT THAT'S THERE WOULD OFFSET THIS POSITION. 
          HOWEVER, I DID ACTUALLY ASK TO HAVE THE BOARD CONSIDER ANOTHER FEE INCREASE AS FAR AS, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN THREE YEARS MM-HMM . 
          INSTEAD OF WAITING AS LONG AS WE DID AND HAVE A, SUCH A DRASTIC INCREASE SU SUPPLEMENT THAT YEAH. 
          SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL POTENTIALS FOR REVENUE TO COME IN FOR THAT FEE INCREASE. 
          I HAVE NOT PROPOSED A FEE INCREASE BECAUSE I WANTED TO GET THAT FEELING FROM THE BOARD AS TO WHETHER THEY WERE DESIRING OF THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO TIP 
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THE CART. 
          HOW LONG WAS IT BEFORE YEARS? 15 YEARS OR SOMETHING? IT WAS ACTUALLY 1998. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO ON THE ONE HAND, I WOULD SAY CERTAINLY THE, I THINK THAT'S ALMOST LIKE, IT JUST, WE SHOULD NEVER DO THAT AGAIN, . 
          NO, BUT, BUT, AND IT'S BEEN THREE YEARS SINCE WE DID MM-HMM . 
          DO THAT. 
          SO AT LEAST FROM MAYBE AN INFLATION ADJUST AT LEAST A 3% A YEAR OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, I WOULD, EVERYBODY IS SUBJECT TO THESE INFLATIONARY PRESSURES. 
          UM, SO I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ALL THINK, BUT I MEAN, UH, NOT IF WE'RE IN YEAR THREE ALREADY. 
          UH, AND THAT, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          UH, THE DESIRE OF THE PREVIOUS BOARDS WAS NOT TO INCREASE THE FEES, THAT THAT'S HOW IT WAS PRESENTED. 
          THAT'S WHY THERE WEREN'T FEE INCREASES. 
          AND THE FEE INCREASE HAS TO BE APPROVED BY THE BOARD. 
          I CAN'T JUST UNDERSTAND, INCREASE THE FEES, IT HAS TO BE APPROVED. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S WHY I DID DURING MY PRESENTATION, SUGGEST A FEE INCREASE, NOT AS DRASTIC AS WHAT IT HAD BEEN, BUT NOT WAITING THE LENGTH OF TIME THAT WE HAD PREVIOUSLY. 
          BUT THAT'S AN APPETITE THAT THE BOARD HAS TO HAVE AS TO DO THAT. 
          AND THE BUILDERS NEED TO HAVE SOME OF THAT INPUT AS WELL. 
          I JUST KNOW THAT THE POSITIONS THAT I'M PUTTING FORWARD WOULD BE OFFSET BY A FEE INCREASE IF WE DID IT THAT WAY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I, I DO LIKE THE IDEA OF, UH, THE, THE, THAT PART OF THE BUILDING BEING SOMEWHAT SELF, I KNOW IT CAN'T BE BECAUSE YOU, YOU GET A DOWNTURN IN THE MARKET, YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE MINIMUM POSITIONS AND THEN YOU, YOU GET A BOOM YEAR, YOU GOT GREAT INCOME, AND THEN YOU WISH YOU HAD MORE STAFF. 
          SO, BUT, UH, I THINK IT'D BE WORTH LOOKING AT. 
          BUT I'D LIKE TO KNOW WHERE WE STAND COMPARED TO OUR NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS FEES. 
          AND, AND I HAVE NOT GONE INTO THAT BECAUSE I ALSO, LIKE I SAID, WANTED TO SEE WHAT THE APPETITE OF THE BOARD WAS. 
          IF, IF THAT'S THE WAY THAT IT'S DESIRED AND WE WANT TO LOOK AT THAT, I CAN, THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. 
          I, I THINK IT'S GONNA BE PROBLEMATIC TRYING TO DO THAT AHEAD OF THE BUDGET TIMEFRAME, WHICH THESE POSITIONS WOULD BE CONSIDERED. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT A, UH, GUARANTEE THAT THE BUDGET ISN'T DESIGNED TO SIX MONTHS INTO THE BUDGET TO HAVE THESE POSITIONS ADDED ON. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AT LEAST THE INTER GOV ADMINISTRATOR, WHICH IS THE HIGHEST OF THOSE PUT FORWARD, BECAUSE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE REALLY NEED TO HAVE THAT ONLINE PRESENCE. 
          I, I, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY LIKE TO SEE HOW WE STAND UP WITH THE, WITH THE OTHER COUNTIES. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY ELSE FEELS, BUT IF, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE HERE AND EVERYBODY'S ABOVE US, WE DEFINITELY NEED TO STAY WITHIN A RANGE. 
          BUT DON'T WE HAVE THAT, I'M SORRY TO INTERRUPT. 
          NO, I, I JUST WANNA BE WITHIN A RANGE WITH OUR NEIGHBORS. 
          DON'T WE HAVE THAT? DIDN'T WE DO THAT THREE YEARS AGO? WE DID DO THAT THREE YEARS AGO. 
          SO YOU CAN JUST GIVE US THAT INFORMATION THEN. 
          I MEAN, THEIRS HAS PROBABLY CHANGED TOO, THOUGH. 
          WE'D WANT TRY. 
          YEAH. 
          I I JUST DON'T WANT TO GET BOGGED DOWN. 
          I MEAN, QUICKLY, I GUESS WOULD BE THE, THE ANSWER. 
          I CAN GET THAT PUT TOGETHER QUICKLY, BECAUSE THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT I HAD PRESENTED AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME. 
          YEAH, WE COULD DO IT RIGHT WITH THE BUDGET MAYBE, OR, OR FIGURE IT IN AS PART OF IT KNOWING THAT THAT'S YEAH. 
          SOMETHING WE COULD IMPROVE. 
          WELL, IF, IF THIS IS ONE OF THE FEW PLACES WHERE YOU CAN ACTUALLY ATTRIBUTE A COST TO A SERVICE. 
          YES. 
          AND THE RATIONALE IS ALREADY WELL KNOWN. 
          SO, UH, AND I THINK 27 YEARS WITHOUT RAISING A FEE IS A MISTAKE. 
          AND, UH, EVERY, EVERY OTHER YEAR OR EVERY THIRD YEAR MAKES SENSE IF NOT EVERY YEAR. 
          I MEAN, IT'S MORE PALATABLE TOO IF YOU LITTLE STEPS TO JUST MATCH INFLATION. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          IT'S NOT BEING, UH, ABUSIVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. 
          IT'S STAYING TAKING INTO THE ACCOUNT FOR THE ECONOMY AND THE INFLATIONARY FLOOD FUNCTIONS AND WHATEVER HIS BUDGET IS SHORT. 
          THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THAT DOESN'T PULL PERMITS IS FUNDED, PAYING FOR, THEY'RE PAYING FOR, WE'RE ALL SETTING IT WITH GENERAL FUNDS. 
          SO, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, WHEN IT WAS, WHEN IT WAS DONE THREE YEARS AGO, DID THAT GO INTO EFFECT, SAY IN JULY, 2023 OR JULY 1ST? 2023. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT LUCKILY, WELL, MAYBE NOT LUCKILY DEPEND ON YOUR POINT OF VIEW, BUT IT WAS AFTER THAT HUGE INFLATION SPIKE IN 2022. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT WAS A BAD ONE. 
          SO, BUT IT, IT'S PROBABLY, YEAH, PROBABLY ABOUT TWO TO 3% FOR A YEAR SINCE THEN. 
          SO IT COULD BE UP EIGHT OR 9%. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, ONE QUESTION ON, ON SOME OF THE PHRASING, UM, AND THE RETURN ON OUR INVESTMENTS IS A POTENTIALLY GREATER CUSTOMER SATISFACTION. 
          SO I JUST, THAT LED ME TO ASK, YOU KNOW, ARE THERE, IS THERE, DO WE HAVE A CONSTANT BACKLOG? ARE WE, ARE WE HAVING LACK OF COMPUTER OF, OF CUSTOMER SATISFACTION NOW? NO. 
          IS, IS SUPERVISOR STAN MEYER HAD ASKED AS FAR AS WHAT OUR BACKLOG IS, WE'RE ACTUALLY IN A GOOD SPOT AT THIS POINT IN TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE THINGS THAT ARE DRAGGING US DOWN ARE THE TAX ISSUE AS FAR AS MAKING SURE THAT THE TAXES ARE PAID BECAUSE WE CAN'T ISSUE OR EVEN TAKE IN THAT PERMIT UNTIL THE TAXES HAVE BEEN VERIFIED. 
          SO THAT, THAT IS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER, BUT IT SEEMS TO 
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THE PUBLIC THAT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DOING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, IN FACT, I KNOW IN SPEAKING WITH, UH, ONE PROMINENT CITIZEN IN THE COMMUNITY, THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS BEING PUT OUT BY THE TRADE ASSOCIATION SAYING THAT IT'S A WAY TO GET THE TAXES TO PAY BE PAID. 
          SO THEY WERE ATTRIBUTING IT DIRECTLY TO THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          OH. 
          TO GET TAXES PAID AND IT WAS HOLDING THEIR PERMITS UP. 
          YOU KIND OF GOT THE BLAME. 
          THAT'S ALL. 
          UH, IT'S VERY EASY TO BLAME THE INSPECTIONS DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, AND THAT'S NOT ANY DIFFERENT HERE THAN IT IS ANY OTHER LOCATION. 
          UM, THE OTHER IS, AS FAR AS HEALTH DEPARTMENT WAITING FOR THAT TO COME BACK, I DON'T LIKE TO PROMOTE THIS, BUT DURING THE CODE CHANGE PROCESS, I PUT IN A CODE CHANGE AT THE STATE LEVEL TO ELIMINATE ALL ASPECTS THAT WEREN'T UNDER THE BUILDING INSPECTIONS PURVIEW TO GO FORWARD. 
          SO IF THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT HAD AN ISSUE, THEY DEALT WITH IT. 
          IT WASN'T OUR RESPONSIBILITY. 
          UH, IF THE, UH, ZONING PLANNING AND ZONING HAD AN ISSUE DIDN'T AFFECT US, WE ISSUED THE PERMIT. 
          HMM. 
          THEY COULD DEAL WITH IT. 
          I DID NOT EXPECT THAT TO GO FORWARD. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          BUT THERE WAS A COMPETING TO SAY MANDATING, THERE WERE TIMEFRAMES THAT HAD TO BE MET, PERIOD THAT WAS PUT FORWARD BY A DELEGATE. 
          SO I COUNTERED THAT BY SAYING, WE'LL, JUST ALLEVIATE US HAVING ANY RESPONSIBILITY TO GO TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          NEITHER ONE OF 'EM HAVE GONE THROUGH. 
          SO I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT UNDER THE CONSENT AGENDA, THEY'RE STILL THERE FOR THE BOARD OF HOUSING TO DE DECIDE WHETHER THEY WOULD LIKE TO DO THAT OR NOT. 
          SO YOUR, YOUR PLAN REVIEW OR YOUR INNER GOV ADMINISTRATOR, WHAT'S YOUR PRIORITIZATION? MY PRIORITIZATION IS PROBABLY THE ADMINISTRATOR SOLELY BECAUSE THAT WILL ACTUALLY INCREASE CUSTOMER SERVICE AS WELL, BECAUSE THE TRADES CAN ACTUALLY PUT IN A PERMIT 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S CAPABILITY OUR SOFTWARE HAS, BUT WE DON'T HAVE SOMEONE MANNING THE, THE STATION. 
          THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT ALSO GIVES A LOT OF OTHER FUNCTIONS THAT I DON'T REALLY, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP YOUR TIME, BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FUNCTIONS YEAH. 
          THAT WILL BE OPENED UP BECAUSE OF THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          DID YOU MENTION THAT TO THE BUILDING, UH, BUILDERS ASSOCIATION BY CHANCE? HAS ANYBODY? I HAVE ON A VERY LIMITED BASIS BECAUSE IT IS, IT IS AVAILABLE, BUT IF YOU TRY TO USE IT RIGHT NOW, IT'S GONNA CREATE PROBLEMS , BECAUSE CUSTOMER SATISFACTION IS NOT GONNA GO UP. 
          IT'S GONNA GO DOWN , I'M GONNA MENTION IT TO 'EM, I'D LIKE TO SEE THEM GET BEHIND IT. 
          I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I'D LIKE SOME SUPPORT ON THAT. 
          AND I THINK THEY WILL, IF IT, UH, STREAM STREAMLINES PRODUCTIVITY, THAT'S, THAT'S MORE MONEY FOR EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, TIMES MONEY IN THIS WORLD. 
          SO, WELL, WHAT ANOTHER THING IS THAT, SO WHEN YOU PROCURE SOFTWARE, HOW LONG WE HAD INTER GOV, WE'VE HAD IT SINCE 2016 FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND, AND HAVING LIKE WHOLE PORTIONS OF ITS FUNCTIONALITY JUST SITTING DORMANT. 
          SITTING DORMANT. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S NOT, NOW THERE ARE OTHER PORTIONS THAT ARE AVAILABLE, BUT AT A COST. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THIS IS SOMETHING THAT IS THERE. 
          WE ALREADY HAVE IT. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE OTHER PIECE TO THAT, AND IT'S A MINOR PIECE, IS THAT IF FOR SOME REASON WE DID GET THE ADMINISTRATOR POSITION, THE MERIT INCREASE WOULD PROBABLY NOT BE NEEDED AT THAT PARTICULAR TIME BECAUSE PROGRESSION WITHIN THE STAFF LEVEL, IT INDICATES THAT THAT PERSON WOULD PROBABLY ELEVATE TO THE NEXT POSITION. 
          YOU'D BE HIRING SOMEBODY IN UNDER HIM. 
          SO  AT A LOWER, LOWER, AT A LOWER COST. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO BEFORE WE GET OFF, SO BEFORE WE GET OFF OF THIS, UM, THE SHERIFF JUST GOT INTO MY EAR, AND SO I NEED TO TELL YOU THAT SHE CANNOT SHARE A FOIA POSSESSOR DUE TO, DUE TO THE PERSON HAS TO BE, OH, OKAY. 
          THIS, YEAH. 
          SORRY. 
          NEVER SAT IN THE HOT SEAT BEFORE. 
          THIS IS A NEW BOOK FOR ME. 
          NO, IT'S NOT . 
          NO. 
          WITH THE AMOUNT OF FOIA THAT WE DO, WE HAVE TO HAVE A PERSON IN HOUSE TO REVIEW THE BODY-WORN CAMERA AND THE IN-CAR CAMERA FOOTAGE, AND THAT IT IS A FULL-TIME JOB, UM, TO DO THAT. 
          UM, I THINK DURING MY PRESENTATION, I MENTIONED ABOUT, UM, THE INCREASE IN FOIAS THAT WE'RE GETTING, WE DID 730 OUT OF A HUNDRED OR 1,068 FOR THE COUNTY AS A WHOLE, NOT INCLUDING THE SCHOOLS. 
          UM, BUT IF WE GO TO A DOMESTIC OR ANY KIND OF CALL, EVERY DEPUTY HAS A BODY-WORN CAMERA, UM, THAT THEY WEAR, AS WELL AS EVERY CRUISER THAT THEY DRIVE THERE HAS A IN-CAR CAMERA SYSTEM EXCEPT OUR SROS. 
          UM, AND I'VE ALSO HAD CONVERSATIONS WITH THE SCHOOLS ON THE NUMBER OF FOIA THAT THEY'RE DOING, 
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AND TO SPLIT SOMEONE MAYBE THREE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK OR TWO DAYS. 
          I'VE TRIED THAT WITH A POSITION WITH IT BEFORE AND IT DID NOT WORK. 
          UM, SO I, I DO REQUEST THAT WE HAVE A FOIA POSITION SPECIFICALLY FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WASN'T REALIZING THAT THAT PERSON WOULD HAVE TO REVIEW, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BODY-WORN CAMERAS HOURS. 
          I WAS THINKING IT WOULD ALL COME IF THEY COULD ALL COME INTO A CENTRAL LOCATION. 
          UM, BUT, AND SO THEY'LL HAVE TO GET, UM, ACCESS OUR RECORDS MANAGEMENT SYSTEM AND OUR WATCHGUARD SYSTEM. 
          BUT THE REASON THAT THEY HAVE TO REVIEW EVERY AUDIO THAT IS REQUESTED ALL, UM, VIDEO FOOTAGE IS WE HAVE TO REDACT ANY JUVENILE FACES IN THERE, OR INFORMATION OR IDENTIFYING INFORMATION LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS, DATE OF BIRTHS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          UM, SO YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH IT ENTIRELY AT SPEED. 
          I, I GUESS I JUST NEVER THOUGHT THAT AS A FOUR YEAR REQUEST THAT THAT WOULD EVEN BE SUBJECT TO, SO IT'S EASIER WITH THE REPORTS, WITH THE REPORTS. 
          WE HAVE A REDACTION SOFTWARE, SO, UM, IT'LL REDACT THE SOCIAL CODE NUMBER, DATE OF BIRTH, BUT ANYTHING TO DO WITH JUVENILES, WE HAVE TO REDACT EVERY, IN THE NARRATIVE EVEN MM-HMM . 
          OR EVEN IN THE CAD NOTES, WE HAVE TO REDACT EVERY JUVENILE NAME COMPLETELY AS WELL AS ALL THE IDENTIFYING INFORMATION. 
          OKAY. 
          IT HAS TO BE COMPLETELY BLACKED OUT. 
          WELL TRIED. 
          YEAH. 
          WE KNOW. 
          I KNOW YOU DID . 
          IT'S A GOOD IDEA IN THEORY. 
          IT'S JUST, I I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST FEASIBLE IN THIS, THIS ASPECT. 
          NO, NO. 
          I, AND I CAN SEE THAT. 
          WELL, WELL, WHILE YOU'RE SITTING THERE MEANS YOU'RE HERE. 
          UH, , WHEN I WAS AT THE MEETINGS LAST YEAR, YOU'LL HAVE TO HELP ME WITH MY MEMORY. 
          OF COURSE. 
          I WAS SITTING OUT THERE, NOT UP HERE, BUT YOU HAD, IN LIEU OF MORE HIRES, YOU HAD USED SOME OF THAT PAY TO BASICALLY FIX YOUR PAY SCALE BECAUSE YOU HAD A LITTLE BIT OF A PAY SCALE FOR, UM, YES, SIR. 
          FOR THE RETENTION. 
          UM, AND THEN IT SAYS REQUEST 2 75 3 13. 
          IS, IS THAT MONEY YOU'VE ALREADY GOT OR IS THIS ADDITIONAL, THIS WOULD BE NEW FUNDING. 
          SO IT'S IN THE EXISTING BUDGET THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOU. 
          UM, WITH THOSE POSITIONS, I WENT THROUGH AND LOOKED AT ALL THE VACANCIES THAT WE HAD AT THE TIME. 
          I WAS UNABLE TO FILL A LOT OF THOSE VACANT POSITIONS, SO IT WAS A NO BRAINER FOR ME TO SAY WE WILL NOT FILL THOSE WITHIN THE, UM, 25, 26 BUDGET YEAR. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW OUR STAFFING IS UP. 
          UM, THE COMPACTION FIX THAT WE DID, UM, I CAN'T THANK YOU ENOUGH FOR THAT, BUT WE ARE RETAINING MORE DEPUTIES, UM, AS WELL AS HIRING A LOT MORE AS WELL. 
          SO WE HAVE DONE REALLY GOOD ON OUR, OUR HIRING. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE THOSE POSITIONS BACK. 
          THEY'RE APPROVED POSITIONS AND WE COULD USE THEM ON THE ROAD. 
          UM, WE'RE LOW IN THE COURTS, WE'RE LOW IN INVESTIGATIONS, BOTH ON THE CRIMINAL AND THE, UM, DRUG TASK FORCE. 
          AND I HAVE TWO VACANCIES, THESE POSITIONS IN THE SCHOOLS, SROS AND THIS, AND THIS IS NO NEW FUNDING. 
          THIS IS WITH, WITHIN YOUR CURRENT BUDGET. 
          SAME AS LAST YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU, YOU CAN'T JUST DO THAT ON YOUR OWN. 
          YOU GOTTA HAVE PERMISSION TO FILL THOSE, SO THEY'RE PAUSED. 
          SO YOU, YOU VOTED TO PAUSE THOSE POSITIONS? I SAY PAUSE, I LIKE PAUSE, UM, FREEZE, YOU KNOW, HOWEVER YOU WANNA SAY IT, SO THAT WE DIDN'T EXPEND THAT MONEY SO THAT WE COULD DO THE COMPACTION STUDY. 
          UM, THE PHYSICIANS ARE THERE, BUT JUST LIKE YOU APPROVED TO PAUSE THEM, YOU HAVE TO APPROVE TO UNPAUSE THEM. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THAT, THAT'S WHAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND. 
          I THOUGHT IF IT WAS IN YOUR BUDGET AND THEY WERE ALLOWABLE POSITIONS, I WAS TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY YOU WERE ASKING FOR PERMISSION. 
          BUT NOW I UNDER, UH, I UNDERSTAND NOW. 
          YEAH. 
          HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE ON THE ROAD PER SHIFT? DO YOU HAVE FULL SHIFTS? SO RIGHT NOW, HOW I HAVE IT SET UP, I THINK PATROL IS THE BACKBONE THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 29 OUT OF 30 SLOTS ON PATROL FIELD. 
          UM, WE HAVE TWO THAT ARE ON FTO, THAT ARE NOT BY THEMSELVES ON PATROL. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE ONE THAT IS HIRED AND IN THE ACADEMY. 
          UM, SO SHE WILL PROBABLY GET OFF OF FTO SOMETIME IN SEPTEMBER, UM, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER-ISH ON THE ROAD. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING READY TO HAVE A COUPLE GET OFF OF FTO IN LIKE APRIL 1ST WEEK OF APRIL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO FOR, THEY, THEY RUN 10 OR 12 HOUR SHIFTS, 12 HOUR SHIFTS, FOUR ON FOUR OFF. 
          OKAY. 
          AND SO WE HAVE, UM, TWO LIEUTENANTS, AND THEN WE HAVE EIGHT DEPUTIES PER EACH DAY SHIFT. 
          UM, THOSE INCLUDE THE TWO ANIMAL CONTROL. 
          SO WE HAVE SIX DEPUTIES AND TWO ANIMAL CONTROL FOR EACH OF THE DAY SHIFTS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE SIX DEPUTIES FOR BOTH NIGHT SHIFTS. 
          SO SIX PEOPLE TO COVER THE WHOLE COUNTY, 217 SQUARE MILES. 
          OKAY. 
          I WILL TELL YOU, UM, JUST ON THE STAFFING 
          [00:25:01]
AND FIGURING THAT OUT IS, UM, MYSELF AND CAPTAIN BROGAN ARE APPLYING FOR A GRANT. 
          SO I, WE HAVE TO SUBMIT IT BY FRIDAY. 
          UM, WE HAVE ASKED IACP, THE INTERNATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF CHIEF OF POLICE, THEY'RE GONNA GIVE US A PROPOSAL ON COMING INTO OUR OPERATIONS TO FIGURE OUT STAFFING, TO FIGURE OUT, UM, OUR, OUR SHIFTS, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S BETTER FOR 10 HOUR SHIFTS, 11 HOURS, 12 HOURS. 
          ALSO LOOKING AT ALL OF THE ACTIVITIES AND OPERATIONS THAT WE DO UNDER EACH OF THE DIVISIONS, WE HAVE THREE DIVISIONS IN TO SEE IF WE'RE, WE'RE RUNNING EVERYTHING OPTIMALLY, EFFICIENTLY, UNDER THOSE AND IF WE NEED TO MAKE ANY OF THOSE CHANGES. 
          AND THEN I'VE ASKED HIM FOR A SECOND PROPOSAL, UM, TIED IN WITH IT ABOUT, UM, PROVIDING A LITTLE BIT MORE LEADERSHIP TRAINING TO OUR COMMAND STAFF AND OUR EXECUTIVE COMMAND ON, UM, COMMUNICATING AND MANAGING AND SUPERVISING THOSE BENEATH YOU TO, SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          ALL, ALL ONE TEAM. 
          SO I'VE ASKED FOR THOSE PROPOSALS, WE SHOULD GET THOSE, UM, BY WEDNESDAY, TOMORROW AT THE LATEST, AT THE END OF CLOSE. 
          AND THEN WE'RE GONNA WRITE UP THE, UM, REST OF THE GRANT AND HOPEFULLY WE'LL GET THAT. 
          UM, JUST A QUESTION. 
          UH, SAME TRAINING MADE ME THINK WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS, UM, WORKING FOR THE STATE, THEY HAD ONLINE TRAININGS THAT THEY COULD JUST, THEY HAD TO DO SO MANY HOURS OF TRAINING, YOU KNOW, IN A YEAR'S TIME. 
          AND, UM, IT WAS KIND OF A PICK AND CHOOSE TYPE THING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT OFFERED TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AS WELL? IT IS ACTUALLY. 
          THERE'S ACTUALLY A COUPLE DIFFERENT COMPANIES. 
          SO USUALLY WHEN DEPUTIES PROCRASTINATE AND THEY DO, UM, AND THEY GET INTO THE END OF NOVEMBER AND HAVE TO GET THEIR REQUIRED TRAINING HOURS IN BY THE END OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE POLICE ONE. 
          AND SO THE ACADEMY RUNS THAT. 
          UM, WE PAY POLICE ONE DIRECTLY, BUT THE ACADEMY WILL PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT COURSES ARE APPROPRIATE THAT FALLS UNDER THEIR PURVIEW THAT WE NEED. 
          AND SO IT COULD BE, UM, LEADERSHIP TRAINING, UM, ALL, ALL SORTS USE OF FORCE, UM, CULTURAL DIVERSITY, ANY OF THOSE. 
          SO IT COULD BE ANYWHERE FROM ONE HOUR CLASSES TO FOUR HOUR CLASSES TO EIGHT ONE HOUR BLOCKS TO FINISH THE LEADERSHIP COURSE. 
          UM, SO YES, WE ARE OFFERED THAT. 
          I'M NOT A BIG PROPONENT OF ONLINE TRAINING, TO BE HONEST. 
          I DO LIKE THE IN PERSON. 
          I THINK YOU GET MORE OUT OF IT. 
          YOU, UM, MAKE BETTER RELATIONSHIPS AND THE THE CONVERSATIONS CAN FLOW A LITTLE BETTER, BUT IT IS ABSOLUTELY USEFUL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I, I'VE MEANT TO ASK THAT BEFORE AND JUST DIDN'T THINK ABOUT IT. 
          UM, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR SHERIFF? YEAH, I, WHILE YOU'RE HERE, SHERIFF, UH, BACK TO THE PERSONNEL, THE, UH, 2 75 FOR THE FIVE ADDITIONAL LEAS, UM, I'M JUST WANTING TO DOUBLE CHECK. 
          DOES THAT INCLUDE BENEFITS OR IS THAT JUST THE, 'CAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE KIND OF A LOW, LIKE 55 ISH PER, SO I THINK THAT'S ON THE LOW SIDE TOO, IS I WOULD LIKE THEM, UM, THE SALARY PROPOSAL TO BE BUDGETED AT 55,000 MM-HMM . 
          UM, OUR STARTING PAY IS 51,400. 
          SO THAT GIVES US A LITTLE WIGGLE ROOM ON IF WE, UM, HIRE A CERTIFIED MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE A CERTIFIED ISS GONNA COME IN MUCH HIGHER. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, POSSIBLY 58,000. 
          SO I WAS KIND OF DOING A, AN AVERAGE THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT, SO IT DOES NOT INCLUDE BENEFITS THEN? THAT'S JUST THE BASE. 
          I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. 
          IT SEEMS AWFUL LOW TO ME AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN QUESTION FOR KAYLA THEN. 
          DO, DO ANY OF THESE INCLUDE BENEFITS? UH, BASED ON THE, THE TOP LINE? I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY ALL DID, BUT YES, THEY ALL DO EXCEPT FOR HER SPECIFIC FIVE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE THOSE ARE JUST THE UN PAUSING OF THOSE POSITIONS THAT WERE PAUSED LAST YEAR. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EVERYTHING ELSE DOES INCLUDE BENEFITS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, ALL THE TABLES, THE AMOUNT OF REQUEST INCLUSIVE OF BENEFITS THAT THIS TABLE ISN'T INCLUSIVE OF BENEFITS, IT'S NOT CONSISTENT, IT'S NOT FOR REASONS. 
          SO HERS WERE, THE SALARIES SPECIFICALLY WERE PAUSED, NOTHING ELSE WAS PAUSED. 
          SO ALL THE OTHER FUNDING IS STILL IN HER BUDGET. 
          IF SHE WERE TO HIRE FIVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEY WOULD STILL HAVE THE FUNDING FOR ANY BENEFITS THEY MAY NEED. 
          THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          OKAY. 
          HERS IS A VERY UNIQUE SITUATION, SO I UNDERSTAND WHY IT'S A LITTLE CONFUSING, BUT IT, IT FIXED OUR ISSUE. 
          THE DELTA WILL BE USED, CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT THE CHART THAT I GAVE YOU, I, I PUT ALL OF THOSE POSITIONS IN THE ALLOTTED SALARY. 
          SO IF IT'S EXEMPT 40 NON-EXEMPT, UM, I, I PUT IT IN EACH OF THOSE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAD ALL OF THE SALARIES AC ACCOUNTED FOR. 
          SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SHEET THAT I GAVE YOU IT, THE 275,000 IS IN THERE. 
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THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME? I'M GOOD. 
          THANK, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          AND I DIDN'T KNOW THE MEETING GOT CHANGED. 
          I WAS COMING AT SIX. 
          WELL, THANK YOU FOR COMING EARLY. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE, UNLESS YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS FOR ME. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OTHER POSITIONS? 'CAUSE LOOKS LIKE EVERYONE'S IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM TO ANSWER THEM IF WE DO. 
          WELL, I GUESS I'LL ASK, UH, ON THE, ON THE, UH, SINCE I MADE A NOTE, I SHOULD GO AHEAD AND ASK, UM, THE COMMISSIONER OF THE REVENUE POSITION, UH, IS THIS ESSENTIALLY A POSITION TO OVERSEE THE ASSESSOR? IS THAT THE, IS THAT THE JOB? THE WHOLE REAL ESTATE OFFICE? COME ON DOWN, YOU GET TO SIT NEXT TO ME. 
          COME ON. 
          YES. 
          WITH THE BIANNUAL REASSESSMENT AND WITH US HARING ONE OF THE LOWER, UM, VENDORS FOR REASSESSMENT. 
          THERE IS A LOT OF WORK THAT HAS TO BE DONE. 
          AND WITH US HAVING A FAIRLY NEW SOFTWARE, I, I NEED THE EXTRA HELP. 
          WHEN YOU SAY HIRING THE LOWER, WHAT DO YOU MEAN? WE ARE NOT HIRING A MILLION DOLLAR VENDOR. 
          GOTCHA. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE'RE GETTING BARE BONE SERVICE. 
          SO YOU NEED SOME HELP? YES, YES. 
          AND WITH THE BIANNUAL, IT, IT'S, IT'S AROUND THE CLOCK WORK. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I JUST NEED SOMEBODY TO GO ALONG BEHIND WHOEVER DOES THE REASSESSMENT AND TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING'S DONE PROPERLY. 
          AND SEE MY OFFICE HANDLES MOST OF THE BOE SETTING UP THE TRAINING, MAKING THE APPOINTMENTS, ALL OF THAT. 
          SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY EVERY OTHER YEAR. 
          PLUS FIELDING ALL THE COMPLAINTS IN BETWEEN. 
          SO THIS IS ALSO LIKE A CUSTOMER SERVICE. 
          I MEAN, SO ALL THE COMPLAINTS THAT CAME IN, THIS IS A PERSON THAT'S GONNA BE FIELDING THEM. 
          WELL, MY, MY WHOLE STAFF WILL BE FIELDING COMPLAINTS, BUT I JUST THINK WE NEED SOMEBODY IN THERE TO UM, BE OVERSEER OF THE WHOLE REASSESSMENT IN GENERAL. 
          IT'S HARD TO ARGUE WITH THAT . 
          I KNOW. 
          I MEAN, AT LEAST WITH THAT, THAT I JUST THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER FOR US AND, AND TO HAVE SOMEONE THAT'S LICENSED. 
          I THINK THAT THERE'S BETTER FOR THE COUNTY DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS A LICENSING POINT THERE. 
          SO THIS WOULD, THEY WOULD HAVE RESIDENTIAL, LIKE A REAL ESTATE AGENT, A COMMERCIAL LICENSE? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          AN APPRAISER CERTIFIED. 
          YES. 
          NOT REAL ESTATE AGENT APP. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHAT'S THE DEPORT LICENSE FOR EVERYTHING THESE DAYS? YES, THERE IS. 
          EVEN FOR WRESTLING. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I THINK THAT'S ALL. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR MS. SERS ON, ON THIS? WELL, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO ANSWER THAT 'CAUSE YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          THANK, THANK YOU. 
          I WAS IS IT FOR YOU TAKE OFFICE? THE ADJUSTMENT FOR FOR A RAISE FOR, FOR SOME EXISTING STAFF. 
          THE ONE SMALLER ONE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S, OH, SOUND LIKE THEY'VE BEEN THERE A NUMBER OF YEARS AND JUST KIND OF BEEN A LATERAL. 
          YES. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT BEFORE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THE OTHERS? DOESN'T SOUND LIKE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY, MS. MEADOWS, ARE YOU DOING THE 
          [D. Discussion - Capital Improvement Plan]
CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT? ALL RIGHT. 
          MS. MEADOWS BEGGED TO DO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ASSET REPLACEMENT. 
          SHE BEGGED AND THAT'S THE LONG SHEET. 
          YOU DO HAVE THE BIG SHEETS. 
          I'M 
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GONNA DO A BLIND, THE GOOD THING IS, I THINK JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY WHO HAS A REQUEST IS IN THE ROOM. 
          SO ALTHOUGH THEY'VE DONE A QUICK PREVIEW AS PART OF THEIR OPERATIONAL BUDGET PRESENTATIONS, THEY'RE HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          I'M GONNA DO KIND OF A SUMMARY LEVEL FOR EACH ONE AND THEN TELL YOU ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS WE'RE DOING TO TRY TO MINIMIZE THIS REALLY EXPENSIVE LIST. 
          SO I WANNA START WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          SO WE HAVE THREE SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS AT THE AIRPORT, AND YOU'LL SEE IN THE FY 27. 
          SO THE, UM, YELLOW COLUMN OR THE TAN COLUMN FOR THE FIRST PROJECT, THE TAXIWAY REHABILITATION, UM, THE $40,000 COST, THAT IS THE LOCAL MATCH. 
          UM, MIKE HAS WORKED VERY HARD IN ORDER TO GET GRANTS. 
          SO WE HAVE A $1.8 MILLION, UM, CONTRIBUTION FROM THE FAA AND THEN $160,000 FROM THE DOAV. 
          UM, AND SO WE HAVE TO PUT UP THE LAST PORTION, SO THAT'S A 40%, OR SORRY, A $40,000 CONTRIBUTION. 
          UM, JUST TO NOTE THE TAXIWAY, IT HAS BEEN ABOUT 25 YEARS SINCE IT'S BEEN, UM, REHABBED. 
          THE NEXT ITEM IS THE BOX HANGER CONSTRUCTION. 
          SO THIS HAS BEEN SOMETHING THAT WE'VE GOTTEN MULTIPLE GRANTS. 
          UM, AND SO THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE RUBBER MEETS THE ROAD. 
          THIS IS THE EXPENSIVE PORTION ON THE LOCAL SIDE. 
          UM, SO THE ACTUAL CONSTRUCTION FOR THE BOX HANGERS, IT'S A $2 MILLION, UM, PROJECT. 
          AND SO, UM, THERE'S SOME GRANT FUNDING THAT MIKE HAS BEEN ABLE TO GET FOR ABOUT, UM, $500,000. 
          AND SO WE WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH 1.5 MILLION FOR THE LOCAL PORTION. 
          UM, WITH THIS, UM, WE DO HAVE, I THINK IT WAS MENTIONED DURING HIS PRESENTATION, A LIST OF, UM, I THINK IT'S ROUGHLY ABOUT 45 PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR BOX HANGERS. 
          UM, AND SO WE WOULD BE ABLE TO GENERATE REVENUE OF ESTIMATED ABOUT $84,000 ANNUALLY FOR RENTS. 
          AND THEN ALSO WITH HAVING ADDITIONAL, UM, AIRPLANES AND PILOTS HERE, THEY WOULD HAVE ADDITIONAL FUEL COSTS TOO TO HELP OFFSET THAT. 
          FOR THE, UM, RUNWAY REHAB, THIS IS AGAIN A SIGNIFICANT GRANT PROJECT. 
          UM, SO THE FAA, IT'S A 2.85, UM, MILLION DOLLARS CONTRIBUTION. 
          UM, THE STATE WOULD PUT IN $120,000 AND LOCALLY WE CONTRIBUTE $30,000. 
          ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE AIRPORT REQUESTS? IT, IT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THE GRANT WAS ENOUGH FROM ONE BUILDING AND THEN IF WE DID ALL OF IT, IT WOULD BE THREE OR FOUR. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WITH THE FUNDING THAT WOULD GIVE US SIX ADDITIONAL HANGERS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND YOU GOT A GRANT FOR SOME PORTION OF THAT. 
          GOT OVER A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT FOR THE SITE ION FOR, THAT'S SAY PHASE ONE. 
          THEY'RE ONLY GROUND THIS LITIGATION GOOD. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT'S BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY INVOLVED IN THAT OVER 0.1 MILLION. 
          YEP. 
          AND AS JANE SAYS, I, I MEAN THE, THE LIST IS THERE. 
          I THINK THE LARGER HANGERS WILL EITHER FREE UP MORE LIKE THE, THE GLIDER CLUB, I COULD SEE THEM WANTING A BIGGER HANGAR AND THAT WOULD FREE UP TEE HANGERS OR, UM, WE HAVE HAD SOME FOLKS IN ARRESTED, YOU KNOW, IN, IN BUSINESS MODELS THERE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, LIKE OUR SKYDIVE FOLKS, WE HAD THE BUY PLANES, BUT PREVIOUSLY HE'S GOT ONE IN WINCHESTER AND HAD ONE OVER HERE. 
          SO I THINK WE'LL HAVE FOLKS THAT ARE, ARE READY TO GO. 
          YOU, YOU CAN FILL 'EM UP PROBABLY I CAN FILL 'EM UP VERY QUICKLY. 
          IF OUR BOND SITUATION WAS A LITTLE BETTER WOULD BE SOMETHING I WOULD, I WOULD ABSOLUTELY BORROW MONEY FOR BECAUSE I KNEW IT WOULD PRETTY MUCH MAKE IT SAME PAYMENT OR VERY CLOSE TO THAT. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN A SHORT TIME, IT'D BE A VERY BIG NET POSITIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I HAVE, AND JANE MENTIONED, I, I ALREADY HAVE FIVE. 
          IT'S, I PUT 500 I THINK ON MY APPLICATION, BUT THE, I THINK THE REAL NUMBER'S 563,000 AND I MENTIONED WHEN I PRESENT IT, I'LL LOSE 165,000 THIS YEAR. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON THAT, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND BID THE PROJECT EITHER WAY AND HAVE IT SO THAT I CAN BUILD AS I GO. 
          SO IF YOU SAY I'M GETTING NOTHING, AT LEAST I CAN BUILD ONE AND, AND THAT'S GOOD PLAN. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, QUESTION IS, IS ALL OF THIS DUE UPFRONT OR IS IT WE GET THREE YEARS PROGRAM AND WE CAN PAY IT AS WE GO? SO, WELL, EVERYTHING IS ALREADY APPROVED. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THESE GRANTS ARE ALREADY FUNDED, ALREADY SIGNED OFF FOR THE RUNWAY AND THE TAXIWAY, 
          [00:40:01]
SO THEY'VE ALREADY COME THROUGH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, YOU KNOW, HISTORICALLY WE DID NOT HAVE THE AIR AIRPORT, CIP AND THE CIP IT WAS DISCUSSED SEPARATELY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IN, IN REGARD TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE 30 OR $40,000, YOU KNOW, WE'VE BEEN, UM, DOING PRETTY GOOD AT, AT PRODUCING SOME ADDITIONAL REVENUE. 
          UM, IN SAYING THAT WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, HAVE HAD TO, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT OUR PEOPLE BECAUSE WE NO LONGER HAVE SOMEONE STATIONED THERE. 
          WE TAKE CARE OF THOSE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, BUT YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE REVENUES LIKE FROM, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE AND WE HAVE THE REVENUES FROM FUEL. 
          UM, WE MAKE, UM, I'D SAY ROUGHLY ABOUT $50,000 WE'RE SELLING, YOU KNOW, MORE FUEL. 
          BUT I'D SAY WE'RE ROUGHLY RIGHT NOW ABOUT $50,000 A YEAR IN FUEL SALES. 
          BUT IS, IS THIS ALL DUE IN A LUMP SUM OR, WELL, ON YOUR BO ON THE HANGERS, IT'S GONNA BE, IF WE HIRE A CONTRACTOR, LIKE AFTER I GET DONE THE SITE WORK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REIMBURSABLE. 
          LIKE MY ENGINEER, IF THEY SEND A BILL, I CODE IT, I SEND IT TO THE STATE, THEY SEND US THE MONEY BACK AND IT COMES IN ELECTRONICALLY. 
          WHEN THE CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE LIKE ANY OTHER CONSTRUCTION, IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IF THEY PUT IT UP AND THE BILL CAME, IT WOULD BE DUE. 
          YOU KNOW, I'D HAVE TO PAY THE CONTRACTOR ONCE WE GET TO ACTUAL A PACKAGE. 
          AND, AND I'M HOPING THIS IS OVERESTIMATE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, THIS WAS THE ENGINEERING ESTIMATE UNTIL WE PUT IT OUT ON THE STREET. 
          YOU KNOW, I'M COUNTING ON THE ENGINEER TO BE IN THE BALLPARK, BUT YOU KNOW, THEY COULD BE OVER, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT MATERIALS ARE SO HIGH RIGHT NOW, BUT WE WOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY, UM, THAT'S A DEBT SERVICE. 
          WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY HAVE A A, A REVENUE GENERATOR. 
          SO I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, THE BOND RATING. 
          UM, THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES. 
          I MEAN, BUT THE, THE THING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE IS IF WE, IF WE START OFF AND, YOU KNOW, THEN WE DECIDE TO DO, YOU KNOW, LEASE OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, MOST FOLKS ARE GONNA WANNA LEASE 20 YEARS, WANNA LAND LEASE, AND UH, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. 
          'CAUSE IF YOU PAY FOR IT, YOU KNOW, ONCE IT'S PAID, YOU'RE GETTING THAT REVENUE FOREVER. 
          YOU KNOW, IN A, IN LIKE A CORPORATE HANGER, LIKE A PHI, I MEAN, WE'RE UP TO LIKE ALMOST $3,700 A MONTH. 
          BUT YOU KNOW, A TEE HANGER IS MUCH SMALLER. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE LOOK AT THE MARKET WE'RE IN, WELL HOPEFULLY IT'S JUST THEY DEVELOPED AND THE PRICE IS TIGHTEN UP. 
          MAYBE, MAYBE WE CAN FIND SOMETHING, MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME MORE . 
          YEAH, I MEAN, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS GO AHEAD AND BID IT AND BID IT SO THAT WE CAN, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S JULY ONE AND I CAN BUILD ONE OR YOU KNOW, I HAVE TO COME BACK WITH ANOTHER PLAN THAT I'M READY. 
          DID DID THEY GIVE YOU A TIMEFRAME ON THE SITE WORK ON TRUCKING? WELL, WE, WE SHOULD HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          THEY HAVE 90 DAYS. 
          UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE DONE IN 90 DAYS AND TIGHTENED UP BASED ON WEATHER. 
          I MEAN, THEY GOT PUSHED BECAUSE OF WEATHER AND SURE. 
          AND SOME PERMIT ISSUES. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT HOPE THAT WE'RE DONE, YOU KNOW, AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE. 
          YEAH. 
          I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT WAS A ONE MONTH, THREE MONTH, SIX MONTH PROJECT. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN YOU, YOU HOPE THAT IT WOULD BE ONE MONTH, BUT YEAH, THAT'S NOT REALISTIC. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON THE AIRPORT? ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, NEXT YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE IS THE, UM, REVITALIZATION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTION SUITE. 
          SO THIS, IT'S A HUNDRED, JUST A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AND IT'S BASICALLY TO REDO THE LOBBY AND THE UM, THE DESK CONFIGURATION IN THE FRONT, UM, IN ORDER TO MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, UM, PRIVATE FOR THE EMPLOYEES WORKING RATHER THAN IT BEING ALL FOUR OF THEM FORWARD FACING. 
          UM, THE NEXT, SO THE NEXT SECTION WITH FIRE AND RESCUE, I'M GONNA DO A LITTLE BIT OF KIND OF BACK AND FORTH. 
          SO THE FIRST PROJECT IS THE NORTH WARREN, UM, ELEVATOR PROJECT. 
          SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT THE ELEVATOR HAD A FAILURE AND WE CAME IN AND HAD THEM LOOK TO SEE WHAT, WHETHER IT COULD BE REPAIRED, THEY REPAIRED IT, BUT THEY SAID THAT IF IT FAILS AGAIN, UM, THE ENTIRE SYSTEM WILL NEED TO BE REPLACED. 
          WE SAID, DO YOU HAVE AN ESTIMATE? HE SAID IT COULD BE TOMORROW OR IT COULD BE 20 YEARS FROM NOW. 
          SO IT JUST NEEDS TO BE ON THE HORIZON. 
          SO WE DON'T ACTUALLY NEED THE $200,000 TODAY. 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DO NEED TO PLAN FOR, UM, BECAUSE IT WILL BE EXPENSIVE AND DUE TO, UM, A DA WE NEED TO HAVE, UM, THE ELEVATOR FOR HANDICAP ACCESSIBILITY. 
          THE NEXT ITEM, THE NORTH WARREN STATION REMODEL. 
          UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT BASED OFF OF FUNDING FROM PROFFERS AND CURRENT FUNDING IN 2026, WE ARE ACTUALLY GONNA DO THAT PROJECT THIS FISCAL YEAR RATHER THAN IN 2027. 
          SO, UM, I ACTUALLY REMOVED THE TOTAL AUTO TO THERE, SO IT'S A BLANK SPACE. 
          UM, THE 
          [00:45:01]
THIRD PROJECT IS THE SHENANDOAH FARMS, UM, FIRE STATION REPLACEMENT. 
          THE $5 MILLION IN THERE IS NOT NEARLY ENOUGH FOR A STATE OF THE ART, FIRE, FIRE STATION. 
          SO IT WOULD PROBABLY BE CLOSER TO $10 MILLION. 
          UM, BUT IT'S GONNA BE A TWO TO THREE YEAR PROJECT. 
          WE HAVE NOT STARTED WITH ANY PLANS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE STARTING TO PLAN FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          UM, SO THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE REMOVED OUT OF 2027. 
          TALK OF THE LOCATION COMING RIGHT TO VILLE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YES. 
          SITE IDENTIFIED. 
          THAT IS THE SAME SITE THAT, UM, WE'RE OPERATING UNDER. 
          UM, SO UNLESS ANYTHING CHANGES AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WOULD BE THE SITE LOCATION. 
          UM, OH JANE, SORRY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE REMODEL AND THERE WAS THE 26 AMENDED NUMBER TWO 12 IN THERE, BUT THEN THE CAPITAL COST SHOWING 3 32 AND NOTHING BUDGET, NOTHING ALIGNED. 
          YEAH, I, WHAT'S STARTED EDITING THIS? SO WE HAD ORIGINALLY WERE REQUESTING ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR 2027 FOR THE PROJECT. 
          UM, WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO MEET WITH FIRE AND RESCUE LAST WEEK TO KIND OF GO THROUGH SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY HAD AND THE CURRENT FUNDING THAT WE HAVE IN CAPITAL FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          UM, SO WE'RE TRYING TO PUSH SOME OF THE PROJECTS FORWARD IN ORDER TO SPEND DOWN THEIR BALANCES AND TAKE CARE OF SOME OF THE PROJECTS THAT THEY WERE REQUESTING THE FUNDING FOR. 
          DO WE HAVE, WE ALREADY, WE CURRENTLY HAVE FUNDING, SO WE'RE GONNA USE IT TO TAKE CARE OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO IT WILL COME OFF THE CAPITAL LIST AND THE DELTA BETWEEN THE TWO 12 AND THE 3 23 32. 
          SO THAT IS ROUGHLY $120,000. 
          SO IT WILL COME FROM THEIR BUILDING IMPROVEMENT FUND. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO THE FOURTH ONE, SO LINDEN FIRE STATION, CURRENTLY WHEN IT RAINS, IT FLOODS INSIDE THE STATION. 
          UM, SO WE REALIZED THAT THERE'S A BIT OF A DRAINAGE ISSUE THERE. 
          AND SO IN ORDER TO, UM, CORRECT THE DRAINAGE ISSUE, WE NEED TO PUT IN A TRENCH AND UM, BASICALLY PAVE THE APRON. 
          SO THAT PROJECT IS $261,000. 
          UM, LYDON CURRENTLY HAS, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THEIR ACCOUNT, UM, AND THEN PARTNERED WITH ADDITIONAL FUNDING IN THE CURRENT CAPITAL, UM, FOR BUILDING IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, WE'LL BE ABLE TO FUND THE WHOLE PROJECT IN ORDER TO TAKE CARE OF THAT IN 2026 RATHER THAN REQUESTED IN 2027. 
          SO IT WILL COME OUT OF THE TOTAL AS WELL. 
          SO THAT ONE WILL BE ZEROED OUT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THOSE? I'M GONNA MENTION A PROJECT THAT'S NOT ON THE LIST. 
          'CAUSE FOR 26, UM, THE CASCADE SYSTEM AT STATION ONE, WE'RE REPLACING IT AND WE'RE ADDING A KIND OF LIKE A MODIFIED, UM, RETROFIT VERSION FOR STATION TWO. 
          UM, AND THOSE FUNDS WILL COME OUT OF THE CANCER PREVENTION. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE ALSO DOING FOR 2026, NOT FOR 27. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A REQUEST FOR CANCER PREVENTION AND FIRE STATION ENHANCEMENTS. 
          AND THIS IS A SOMEWHAT OF A STANDING REQUEST. 
          SO EVERY YEAR WE ASK FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          UM, SO LOWER, YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A DUPLICATION WHERE IT'S 50,000 AND 50,000. 
          SO THAT WAS THE, UM, 25, OR SORRY, THE 26 REQUESTS THAT CARRIED OVER INTO 27. 
          SO WE DID MODIFY THAT. 
          THE $40,000 WE'LL BE FOR ADDING COMMERCIAL EXTRACTORS. 
          SO BASICALLY A WASHER AND DRYER. 
          SO THEY'RE DRYING CABINETS AND COMMERCIAL EXTRACTORS FOR THE FIRE GEAR, UM, IN ORDER TO PULL THE CARCINOGENS OFF OF IT. 
          AND THEN, SO WE CURRENTLY HAVE IT AT I BELIEVE TWO STATIONS AND THIS WOULD ADD IT TO FOUR ADDITIONAL STATIONS. 
          THE $150,000 IS FOR CONTINUAL BUILDING, UPDATING. 
          ALL OF OUR BUILDINGS ARE AGING AND WE'VE PULLED FUNDING SOMEWHAT SEPARATE OUT OF BUILDING MAINTENANCE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE DO HAVE SOME SPEC SPECIFICALLY FOR FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE THE $150,000 IS. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON FIRE AND RESCUE? AWESOME. 
          UM, MOVING ON TO THE ASSET OR SORRY, ASPHALT MAINTENANCE. 
          SO THERE'S A REQUEST FOR $200,000 AND IT'S AN ONGOING, BASICALLY FIVE YEAR PLAN IN ORDER TO UPDATE AND UH, ADDRESS ANY OF OUR ASPHALT REPAIRS. 
          AND THIS IS NOT ONLY PARKING LOTS, BUT ALSO OUR TRAILS TRACKS. 
          UM, SO YOU'LL SEE LATER ON THERE A COUPLE PARKS PROJECTS THAT KIND OF TIE INTO THAT. 
          MIKE ALSO HAS $50,000 BUILT INTO HIS OPERATIONAL BUDGET FOR THOSE REPAIRS. 
          UM, AND 
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THOSE ARE TRULY JUST EMERGENCY, UM, REPAIRS RATHER THAN KIND OF PROACTIVE REPLACEMENTS AND UPDATING. 
          UM, YOU'LL SEE THERE IS A GROUPING OF PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT FUNDED. 
          SO IT'S BASICALLY $3.3 MILLION WORTH OF ROOF REPLACEMENTS FOR THE COUNTY. 
          UM, SO THAT'S WHAT THE SUPPLEMENTAL PAGE YOU HAVE. 
          SO THAT'S AN UPDATED, UM, ROOF REPLACEMENT RATING FOR THE DIFFERENT COUNTY OWNED BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THAT I AM HOPING THAT WHEN WE GET OUR AUDITS BACK AND WE HOPEFULLY WILL HAVE SOME CARRYOVER FUNDS THAT ARE DEDICATED TO CAPITAL AND ASSET WOULD BE ABLE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE ROOF ISSUES. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ROOFING INFORMATION? NO, NO. 
          SORRY. 
          PART OF THE ROOFING ISSUE AT THE COURTHOUSE. 
          YES. 
          AND WE'RE ABLE TO REPLACE THAT. 
          SO THE CLOCK AND THE CUPOLA, YEAH. 
          MM-HMM . 
          REPLACE THAT AND ARCHITECTURAL HISTORICALLY CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          SO WITH THE CUPOLA IT'S THE HISTORIC PORTION. 
          UM, SO WE ARE WORKING ON GETTING THAT TAKEN CARE OF IN 2026 AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE FIXING THE CLOCK THAT WE'RE ADDING INTO IT. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. 
          THAT WILL INCREASE SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          SO YEAH, IT INCREASES THE COST BY $25,000. 
          OH, OH REALLY? RIGHT. 
          SO I MEAN, $25,000 IS SIGNIFICANT, BUT IN THE NOT AS SCHEME OF THINGS MUCH. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I THINK THAT'S A LOWER PRICE THAN WHAT WE WERE TOLD ONCE BEFORE. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE ENTIRE PROJECT WILL BE AROUND $242,000 OUT ALL THE ROOF REPLACEMENTS. 
          IT DOESN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THE SCHOOLS THOUGH IN THIS PART OF IT. 
          NO. 
          AND THAT'S NOT AN ENTIRE ROOF PLACEMENT, I DON'T THINK THAT'S JUST WHERE, WHAT THE CLOCK SETS IN. 
          WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE WHOLE LIST HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, IT'S, THESE ARE ONLY COUNTY BUILDINGS. 
          UM, THE 15TH STREET IS THE COMPLEX, BUT IT'S NOT THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. 
          THE DOLL, I DIDN'T REALIZE THE 15TH STREET WOULD NEED ANYTHING THAT IS A STANDING SCENE. 
          METAL ROOF. 
          IS IT THE GYM OR IS IT THE, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IT'S DIFFERENT. 
          SO EACH PORTION HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ROOFING ON IT. 
          I THOUGHT THEY DID THE WHOLE BUILDING AT THE SAME TIME WHEN THEY DID IT. 
          MM-HMM. 
          THERE'S NO NUMBERS IN FY 27 ON ANY OF THESE. 
          I KNOW. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY I ADDED THE SUPPLEMENT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, I MEAN, IT WILL HAVE TO BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO START ADDRESSING THEM. 
          MY CONCERN WITH THE NUMBERS ON THAT SHEET ARE, I'M NOT SURE IF THEY HAVE BEEN UPDATED. 
          I KNOW THAT THE, THE BASIS ON WHICH THE RATING WAS UPDATED, BUT THE ACTUAL COST FOR REPLACEMENT I THINK MIGHT BE HIGHER. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON ROOFING? OKAY. 
          THE SCHOOL SYSTEM RIGHT NOW AND THEIR SUBMITTED BUDGET IS JUST FOR HILDA. 
          J YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE WORK THAT'S LIKE THE, IT NEEDS THE ROOF PERIOD, CORRECT? MM-HMM . 
          I JUST, I'LL JUST SAY, UM, MAYBE ONE COMMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHEN WE HAVE A, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT SHEET, THAT'S THE ALL BLANK. 
          UM, A LOT OF THESE THINGS ARE HERE FOR INFORMATION, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE WE RIGHT. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA FUND IT. 
          WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME CHOICES, BUT MM-HMM . 
          BUT NEVERTHELESS, IT'S, IT'S THERE FOR, FOR US TO SEE THE NUMBER. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, THE FACT THAT THERE'S NO CAPITAL NUMBERS IN HERE, WHAT IS IT? WHAT ARE WE, WHAT ARE WE SAYING? WE JUST KNOW WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO IT. 
          SO WE'RE NOT GONNA IN 27, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDING TO DO IT. 
          WE KNOW IT. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S WHY THERE'S NO NUMBER. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          IT'S NOT A DECISION WE ALREADY KNOW. 
          NO, IT'S A, WE, WE KNOW IT WILL BE A 28. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, THE NEXT ITEM IS THE IT OFFICE REMODEL. 
          THE REQUEST IS TO COMBINE THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES WITH THE, UM, WORKSPACE THAT THEY HAVE ACROSS THE HALL. 
          SO IT WOULD CLOSE OFF THE HALLWAY. 
          UM, THAT'S A PROJECT THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED AND UM, IT KIND OF LED INTO A LARGER DISCUSSION REGARDING SPACE WITHIN THE DIFFERENT COUNTY BUILDINGS. 
          UM, SO I THINK THAT, AND YOU'LL SEE A FEW OTHER OR SOCIAL SERVICES HAS A FUTURE REQUEST THAT'S SPACE RELATED. 
          SO WE NEED TO PROBABLY LOOK AT THAT MORE HOLISTICALLY RATHER THAN EACH DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, THE LIBRARY, THERE'S A FLOOR 
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COVERING PROJECT THAT EVERYTHING EXCEPT ONE AREA HAS BEEN COMPLETED. 
          SO THE $55,000 THAT'S REQUESTED TO COMPLETE THAT, WE THINK WE CAN ACTUALLY DO THAT IN FY 26. 
          SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ARE HOPING TO FUND THIS YEAR RATHER THAN OUT OF 27. 
          BUT THEIR REQUEST WAS FOR 27 AND I DID LIST THE HVAC AND THE ROOF REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, THEY HAVE REQUESTED IT FOR 28 AND 29, SO THEY'RE COMING DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UM, THE NEXT PROJECT IS THE ROYAL AVENUE TRAIL AND THIS IS THE, UM, PATH THAT CONNECTS FROM THE UM, DAV THAT GOES ALL THE WAY UP TO UNDER THE BRIDGES. 
          UM, THE PROPERTY WAS DONATED TO THE KE I THINK TWO YEARS AGO BY MS. ANDRE AND HE HAS SAID THAT HE'S HAPPY TO HELP PAY FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE TRAIL. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF WE'RE NOT ABLE TO DO IT IN THE UPCOMING YEAR, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER IN ORDER TO HELP DO THAT. 
          AND I THINK TIFFANY TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE, UM, BASICALLY THE PLANS FOR THAT AND, AND BASICALLY INVOLVING SENSORY STATIONS IN ORDER TO MAKE IT MORE ACCESSIBLE. 
          UM, AND VIRTUAL FOR CHILDREN WITH, UM, SENSORY NEEDS. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE THE CHIMNEY FIELD CONVERSION PROJECT. 
          SO THIS WOULD BE CONVERTING THE TENNIS COURTS TO, UM, ADDITIONAL BASKETBALL COURTS. 
          WE HAVE A SIGNIFICANT NEED FOR BASKETBALL COURTS. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE ALWAYS WAITING TO PLAY BASKETBALL THERE, SO IT WOULD BE $36,000 IN ORDER TO UPDATE THOSE COURTS. 
          THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES BLEACHER SEATING, THIS IS FOR THE OUTDOOR BLEACHER SEATING. 
          UM, THERE IS A REQUEST IN FUTURE YEARS FOR INDOOR BLEACHER SEATING. 
          UM, THE OUTDOOR BLEACHER SEATING, WE ACTUALLY REMOVED HALF OF IT, UM, DUE TO THE SAFETY OF IT AND WE WANT TO BASICALLY REMOVE AND REPLACE, UM, THE OTHER HALF. 
          AND SO THAT WOULD BE A $60,000 EXPENDITURE TO REPLACE IT AND THEN REGRADE IT? YES. 
          BACK TO THE COURT CONVERSION, I MEAN MM-HMM . 
          THE CAPITAL COST IS LISTED AS FOUR 66,000 AND THAT IS FOR, I THINK MY MATH, I PULLED SOMETHING INTO IT. 
          'CAUSE THERE WERE A COUPLE OF PEOPLE WHO WERE LIKE, WHERE DID THIS NUMBER COME FROM? SO I DID SOME SUBTOTAL, SO THAT'S AN ERROR ON MY PART. 
          OH, DOESN'T BELONG FOR, YEAH, FOR THE TOTAL PROJECT. 
          IT'S NOT NEARLY THAT MUCH. 
          SO THE BLEACHERS INSIDE, UH, 15, IT'LL ALWAYS BE 15 STREET. 
          YEP. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, THEY DON'T HAVE IS THAT ADDITIONAL OR TO TAKE NO, IT'S TO REMOVE THEM AND REPLACE THEM. 
          SO THEY CURRENTLY ARE NOT COMPLIANT. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE ANY HANDRAILS. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          UM, AND WE ACTUALLY HAD A SIGNIFICANT INJURY ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO. 
          WE HAD SOMEONE FALL AND SHE BROKE HER CHEEK. 
          UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE UPDATE IT AND WHEN WE DO, WE HAVE TO BRING IT UP TO CODE. 
          SO IT NEEDS TO BE A DA ACCESSIBLE WHEN WE PUT IN NEW BLEACHERS. 
          SO WILL THAT MEAN TAKING THEM OUT ENTIRELY OR ADDING TO NO, IT REMOVED THEM COMPLETELY. 
          WOW. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, THE ROCKLIN  ATHLETIC FIELDS PROJECT, WHICH I THINK WE'VE TALKED ABOUT QUITE A BIT. 
          SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT ULTIMATELY YOU ALL WOULD NEED TO MAKE A DECISION AS TO WHETHER TO, UM, COMMIT FUNDS TO THIS TO MOVE FORWARD AS IT CURRENTLY IS. 
          OR IF YOU WOULD LIKE ME TO FOLLOW UP WITH THE PROJECT MANAGER. 
          UM, WE HAVE QUARTERLY CALLS WITH HER IN ORDER TO PROVIDE AN UPDATE ON THE STATUS OF THE PLANS AND THE PROJECT CONSTRUCTION. 
          UM, SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA EXPLORE A DIFFERENT PROJECT, I'M HAPPY TO, UM, LET HER KNOW THAT. 
          BUT THAT WILL BE A BOARD DECISION. 
          UM, THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES TRACK RENOVATION. 
          AND ODDLY ENOUGH, AFTER I SUBMITTED THIS, I WENT WALKING AT THE TRACK AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL AND REALIZED THAT THEIR TRACK IS IN ABOUT THE SAME CONDITION AS THE HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES WITH CRACKS ABOUT TWO TO THREE INCHES WIDE. 
          UM, SO THE $65,000 IS REQUESTED IN ORDER TO RENOVATE, UM, THE TRACK APP 15TH STREET. 
          UM, AND THEN THE LAST ONE IS THE FANTASY LAND, UM, PLAYGROUND REPLACEMENT PROJECT. 
          SO WITH THIS, UM, WE'RE SEEKING FUNDS IN ORDER TO TAKE OUT THE OLD WOODEN STRUCTURE AND REPLACE IT WITH AN UPDATED STRUCTURE. 
          UM, THE REPLACEMENT COSTS ARE SIGNIFICANT, UM, AND PART OF THAT IS WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE REPLACING IT. 
          WE'RE INSTEAD OF DOING MULCH, WE WANNA DO THE RUBBERIZED SURFACE. 
          THAT WAY, SINCE IT'S IN A FLOODPLAIN WHEN IT FLOODS, WE DON'T HAVE TO BRING IN MORE MULCH. 
          UM, IT'LL ALSO MAKE IT EASIER TO MAINTAIN. 
          UM, WE'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE KIND OF PLANNING LONG TERM WITH ANY PROJECTS SO THAT WE DON'T INCREASE THE MAINTENANCE COSTS ON THEM AS WELL. 
          UM, WE'VE ALREADY GOTTEN SOME DONATIONS AND ARE CONTINUING TO APPLY FOR GRANTS WITH 
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VARIOUS NONPROFITS THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY IN ORDER TO GET ADDITIONAL FUNDING. 
          IT IS A MUCH LOVED AND VERY MUCH A LOT OF BLOOD, SWEAT AND TEARS, TEARS FROM THE COMMUNITY INTO THE PROJECT THAT WAS, I GUESS ABOUT 27 YEARS AGO. 
          AND SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE REALLY HONOR THAT AND A LOT OF PEOPLE WANNA SEE IT COME BACK TO LIFE. 
          SO THAT IS THAT PROJECT. 
          AND THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE, UM, I'M GONNA MENTION THE WASTE STATION BULK GRINDER AND INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          SO WITH THIS, THE GRINDER WOULD HELP US TO MANAGE SPACE AT THE TRANSFER STATION. 
          UM, SO WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY MOVED FORWARD AND I THINK MIKE, IF YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THIS A LITTLE BIT, WE HAVE RUN INTO HAVING TO SORT CONSTRUCTION DEBRIS FROM REGULAR TRASH. 
          SO THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          IT MAKES IT VERY HARD AND THE TEAM AT THE TRANSFER STATION IS PHENOMENAL IN MANAGING THAT. 
          UM, SO THIS IS A PROJECT THAT JAMIE, OUR OPERATIONS, UM, MANAGER HAS RECOMMENDED. 
          UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T MADE REALLY ANY PROGRESS WITH IT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT. 
          IT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A FUTURE PROJECT. 
          AND THEN I'M GONNA MENTION SOCIAL SERVICES BECAUSE JOHN SENT ME AN EMAIL. 
          UM, SO THEY HAVE TWO REQUESTS AND HE SPOKE ABOUT IT DURING HIS BUDGET PRESENTATION. 
          UM, ONE TO PUT IN BASICALLY REORGANIZE THEIR WORKSPACE. 
          AND SECOND, THE HALLWAY THAT IS SHARED WITH EARLY VOTING TO BASICALLY FINISH OUT THOSE FOUR ROOMS. WITH THAT, WE, I ACTUALLY MET WITH THEM FRIDAY OF LAST WEEK. 
          THERE IS A GRANT POSSIBILITY THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY FUND SOME OF THIS. 
          SO WE ARE MOVING FORWARD WITH THE GRANT BEFORE WE REQUEST MONEY FROM THE BOARD. 
          SO ANY QUESTIONS ON ASSET REPLACE OR SORRY, ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW WE WILL MOVE ONE, TWO. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK IF YOU WANTED TO , SINCE THEY'RE HERE, LET THEM DO THAT AND THEN, I DON'T KNOW, I THINK CHERYL AND TONY PROBABLY HAVE MET ED WHITE BEFORE, BUT, UM, ED WHITE IS, IS FROM MARSH MCGRIFF. 
          UM, SO THEY HAVE BEEN OUR INSURANCE BROKERS AND REALLY HELP TO KIND OF NAVIGATE AND GUIDE AND NEGOTIATE FOR THE COUNTY. 
          SO THEY'VE BEEN A GREAT ASSET FOR US AND, UH, MAJOR COST SAVER. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN VERY THANKFUL. 
          UM, SO I, WAIT, NOT THAT I MAYBE KNOW. 
          WELL, WELCOME. 
          I 
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APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN A COUPLE YEARS I THINK, SINCE I GOT TO MEET WITH YOU ALL. 
          SO, UM, THE, AND I THINK MAYBE YOU HAVE SOME OF THE INFORMATION. 
          WHAT I THOUGHT I WOULD DO IS, IF NOTHING ELSE, KIND OF GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE RENEWAL THAT, THAT WE, THAT WE'VE GOT BEFORE US FROM THE LOCAL CHOICE AND HOW WE GOT WHERE WE ARE TODAY. 
          AND THEN CERTAINLY OPEN IT UP FOR ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL MIGHT HAVE. 
          BUT, UM, FOR STARTERS, THE, THE COUNTY LAST JULY, SO JULY, 2025, MOVED FROM UNITEDHEALTHCARE TO THE LOCAL CHOICE. 
          AND BASICALLY THE LOCAL CHOICE IS A STATE SETUP PROGRAM WITH FOUR DIFFERENT ANTHEM PLANS TO CHOOSE FROM. 
          AND YOU CAN CHOOSE MULTIPLE PLANS IF YOU WANT. 
          BUT FOUR IS THE, IS THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PLANS THAT ANTHEM OFFERS. 
          UM, AND THE STATE KIND OF ADMINISTERS THE PROGRAM. 
          UM, WHEN I SAY THEY ADMINISTER IT, THEY, THEY HELP BRING ALL THE RATES TOGETHER. 
          THEY HELP, UM, GROUPS, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT THEIR EXPERIENCE AT EVERY RENEWAL, KIND OF ESTABLISH WHAT THEIR RATES SHOULD BE. 
          EACH GROUP WITHIN THE LOCAL CHOICE IS STILL RATED ON THEIR OWN. 
          THEY'RE NOT ALL TOGETHER, BUT THE STATE REALLY PINCHES DOWN ON THE ADMINISTRATIVE FEES THAT THEY PAY TO ANTHEM. 
          UM, AND IT'S REALLY A GIANT SELF-FUNDED POOL, EVEN THOUGH YOU PAY FULLY INSURED RATES TO, TO LOCAL CHOICE EVERY MONTH. 
          UM, SO THE STATE MAKES IT EASY IN THE RESPECT THAT IT IS. 
          THERE'S FOUR PLANS WITH ANTHEM. 
          YOU CAN'T GO OUTSIDE THOSE FOUR PLANS. 
          THEY BUNDLE WITH THAT MEDICAL PLAN, DENTAL AND VISION COVERAGE. 
          SO SOMEBODY GETS EMPLOYEE ONLY MEDICAL, THEY GET EMPLOYEE ONLY VISION. 
          IF THEY GET FAMILY MEDICAL, THEY GET FAMILY VISION AND DENTAL. 
          UM, SO THEY'RE JUST, IT'S ONE KIND OF EASY PROGRAM TO WORK WITH. 
          SO WHEN WE WENT TO THE PROGRAM LAST YEAR AND LAST JULY, THERE WAS TREMENDOUS SAVINGS TO LEAVE UNITED HEALTHCARE AND TO GO TO THAT PROGRAM THROUGH THE STATE OF, OF VIRGINIA, THE WAY THEY HAD SET IT UP, BECAUSE IT'S A STATE PROGRAM AND BECAUSE THERE'S, I THINK AROUND 50,000 MEMBERS IN THAT PROGRAM, THE LOCAL CHOICE PROGRAM, THE STATE STARTS THE RENEWAL PROCESS REALLY QUITE EARLY. 
          SO FOR YOU ALL, THEY PULL THE DATA THROUGH SEPTEMBER 30TH, 2025. 
          SO IN THE PRIOR 12 MONTHS. 
          BUT THAT MEANT FOR YOU ALL SINCE YOU WERE, YOU ONLY STARTED WITH THEM IN JULY 1ST. 
          THERE'S REALLY ONLY THREE MONTHS WORTH OF DATA THAT THEY'VE GOT BEFORE THEY'RE TRYING TO CALCULATE THE RATES FOR JULY 1ST OF THIS COMING YEAR. 
          SO IT IS, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF PROJECTION THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          AND YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED IN, IN YOUR, IN 
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YOUR DOCUMENTS, THERE'S SOME REFERENCE TO HOW THEY KIND OF, IN A GROUP THE SIZE OF THE COUNTIES, WHICH IS BETWEEN 250 AND 500 EMPLOYEES, UM, HOW THEY BLEND AND HOW THEY KINDA LOOK AT THE PRIOR YEARS EXPERIENCE. 
          WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE PRIOR YEARS EXPERIENCE 'CAUSE ALL THEY HAVE IS THREE MONTHS OF THE MOST RECENT YEAR. 
          UM, BUT HOW THEY, IN A, IN A NORMAL YEAR, ONCE YOU'VE BEEN WITH 'EM FOR A COUPLE YEARS, THEY WILL BLEND YOUR EXPERIENCE FROM THIS YEAR AS WELL AS FROM LAST YEAR. 
          AND THEY'LL EVEN, AND LOOK AT THE POOL IN GENERAL, THE TOTAL LOCAL CHOICE POOL AND USE ABOUT 30% OF THAT IN THE RATE CALCULATION AS WELL. 
          SO IN A NUTSHELL, THE RATE RENEWAL INCREASE WAS 12%. 
          UM, AS WE DO A LOT OF CONSULTING WITH THE LOCAL CHOICE AND OUTSIDE THE LOCAL CHOICE WITH GROUPS THAT ARE DIRECT WITH ANTHEM, IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE LOWER RENEWALS, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WE'VE SEEN SO FAR FOR 2026 OUT OF THE STATE AND OUT OF ANTHEM IN GENERAL. 
          UM, WHICH PROBABLY IS A TESTAMENT TO AT LEAST YOUR FIRST THREE MONTHS WITH THE LOCAL CHOICE BEING, UM, FAVORABLE. 
          SO IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE, JANE, YOU WANTED ME TO COVER? CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE SCHOOLS AND HOW WE WOULD BE DIFFERENT? CORRECT. 
          YES. 
          SO, UH, I KNOW THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION OR MAYBE SOME QUESTIONS FROM, UM, FOLKS ABOUT JOINING THE PLANS AND THAT'S CERTAINLY A POSSIBILITY YOU COULD, UM, JOIN PLANS WITH THE SCHOOL. 
          UM, THERE'S SOME LOGISTICAL THINGS. 
          THOSE ARE THE EASY THINGS. 
          I GUESS I COULD SAY. 
          THE THE THINGS THEY'RE ON AN OCTOBER RENEWAL, YOU'RE ON A JULY RENEWAL, WE'D HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT. 
          ONE GROUP WOULD HAVE TO SWITCH TO A DIFFERENT RENEWAL DATE. 
          UM, THEY'VE GOT A ONE DIFFERENT PLAN THAN, THAN THE, THAN THE COUNTY HAS. 
          WE'D HAVE TO NAVIGATE THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT PROBABLY THE BIGGEST THING. 
          AND, AND, UM, THE SCHOOLS DID NOT GET THE AS GOOD A RENEWAL ON THEIR LOCAL CHOICE RENEWAL FOR SURE THAT, THAT THE COUNTY DID OVERALL. 
          UM, AND THIS KIND OF GETS INTO THE UNDERWRITING ASPECT OF WHAT GOES INTO A LARGE GROUP WHEN YOU START MERGING PLANS, AND WE'VE HELPED MANY, UH, AT LEAST KICK THE TIRES ON THE CONCEPT OF DO SCHOOLS AND COUNTY GET TOGETHER? DO WE, ARE WE BETTER APART? UM, AND THE THE BIGGEST THING YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER IS TOGETHER AS ONE GROUP, UM, THE SCHOOLS HAVE THEIR CLAIMS, THE COUNTY HAS THEIR CLAIMS. I'M PUTTING 'EM LIKE THIS. 
          SO YOU KIND OF GET AN IDEA. 
          'CAUSE THE COUNTY'S CLAIMS ARE DEFINITELY LOWER PER PERSON. 
          UM, IF WE SAY, LET'S, LET'S BRING 'EM TOGETHER, YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE, YOU'RE BRINGING TWO PLANS TOGETHER. 
          THE GROUP THAT HAS THE, THE, THE WORST CLAIMS, I WAS GONNA SAY, THIS IS A GOOD IDEA, LET'S GET TOGETHER. 
          THE GROUP THAT HAS THE BETTER CLAIMS IS GONNA SAY, THIS ISN'T SO GOOD. 
          BECAUSE NOW WE'RE PAYING HIGHER RATES THAN ARE ORIGINALLY. 
          WERE KIND OF, UM, LOOKING FOR FROM THAT FRONT. 
          AND THE BIGGER PICTURE IS YOU'RE STILL, YOU'RE NOT ELIMINATING CLAIMS. AND, AND WHEN, WHEN ALL SAID AND DONE AND THE RATES THAT ARE THAT ANTHEM COMES TOGETHER, 90% OF YOUR RATE IS BASED ON THE CLAIMS. SO THE COUNT THE SCHOOL'S CLAIMS, 90% IS BASED ON CLAIMS. THE COUNTY'S BASED 90% ON CLAIMS. SO ONLY ABOUT 10% IS THE ADMIN AND STOP-LOSS COVERAGE THAT THE, THAT THE COUNTY PAYS. 
          SO IF YOU BRING TWO GROUPS TOGETHER, YOU HAVEN'T STOPPED A CLAIM, YOU HAVEN'T MADE ANYONE HEALTHIER, YOU JUST KIND OF MERGED TWO GROUPS AND KIND OF BLENDED THE RATES AND COME SOMEWHERE OUT MAYBE IN THE MIDDLE. 
          ALTHOUGH THE COUNTY'S A BIGGER OR SCHOOL'S A BIGGER GROUP, THEY'RE GONNA, THEY'RE GONNA PULL MORE THAN, THAN THE COUNTY IS NECESSARILY GONNA PULL DOWN. 
          SO, UM, WE GET ASKED THE QUESTION OFTEN WE, WHEN WE ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS AND, AND FOR THOSE GROUPS WHERE WE LOOK AT MERGING, UM, IT'S, IT ALMOST ALWAYS GOES TO THE PATH OF THE GROUP THAT SEES THEIR RATES, RATES GOING UP VERSUS WHAT THEY JUST GOT FOR A GOOD RENEWAL. 
          THEY'RE LIKE, WHY THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, SO DOES THAT HELP? I MEAN, I THINK OVERALL, UM, NOT THE CLAIMS SCANNING JUST BENEFITS FROM HAVING A BIGGER POOL IN TERMS ADMINISTRATIVE SPREAD. 
          AND THEN SECONDLY, UM, JUST IN TERMS OF THERE BEING LESS VOLATILITY BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IF X NUMBER OF PEOPLE HAVE HEART ATTACKS, IT'S A BIGGER GROUP THAT YOU DON'T HAVE THIS MANY SPIKES. 
          LIKE THAT'S A SPIKE YEAR AND THAT'S A NORMAL YEAR RIGHT. 
          YEAR. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          IT'S, UM, SO FROM THE ADMINISTRATIVE PERSPECTIVE, YES IT CAN, IT CAN IN THE RESPECT THAT MAYBE INSTEAD OF YOU'VE GOT TWO PEOPLE WORKING ON BENEFITS, ONE AT COUNTY, ONE AT SCHOOL, MAYBE YOU DON'T, YOU CAN, YOU COULD MERGE THAT JOB AWAY. 
          BUT THE, AGAIN, THE BEAUTY OF THE LOCAL CHOICE IS THERE'S NOT MUCH TO IT. 
          I MEAN, AS FAR AS ADMINISTRATIVE GOES, UM, THE RENEWALS, THEY ARE WHAT THEY ARE. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, IT'S THE ADMINISTRATIVE PIECE OF IT. 
          UM, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU ENROLL FOLKS, YOU TAKE FOLKS OFF AS THEY TERMINATE. 
          UM, AND THERE'S NOT MUCH ADMINISTRATIVELY BEYOND THAT THAT THAT GOES INTO IT. 
          UM, IF YOU WERE TWO SELF-FUNDED GROUPS LOOKING TO COME TOGETHER, MAYBE THERE'D BE SOME MORE ADMINISTRATIVE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIES THERE. 
          UM, FROM THE PERSPECTIVE OF THE, I GUESS THE ADVERSE SELECTION OR THE LAW OF LARGE NUMBERS, WHEN YOU GET BIG GROUPS TOGETHER, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          OR WHEN YOU'RE A BIGGER GROUP, ONE BIG CLAIMANT CAN DEFINITELY, YOU KNOW, UM, KEEP YOU FROM SWINGING WIDELY IF YOU'VE GOT A LOT MORE PEOPLE IN THE POOL. 
          UM, AGAIN, THE LOCAL CHOICE DOES KIND OF THAT IN THE BACKGROUND IN THAT POOLING STRUCTURE THAT I HAD MENTIONED. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY ACCOUNTING FOR THE FACT THAT IF YOU'RE A SMALLER GROUP, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET YOU HANG ON YOUR OWN EXPERIENCE. 
          UM, IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING CATASTROPHIC, YOU KNOW, THE MILLION DOLLAR PREMATURE BABY 
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OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET IT TOTALLY THROW YOU OUT OF THE WATER. 
          AND THE SMALLER YOU ARE, THE MORE THEY, THEY PULL YOU OR MORE THEY, YOU KNOW, BLEND YOUR CLAIMS, WHAT YOUR CLAIMS ARE AWAY. 
          UM, AND BEHIND THE SCENES EVEN BEYOND THAT. 
          UM, THE LOCAL CHOICE ALSO, UM, CAPITATE PHARMACY CLAIMS. SO IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PHARMACY CLAIMS ARE, AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR DENTAL CLAIMS ARE. 
          THE ONLY THING YOU'RE EXPERIENCE RATED ON, AND AGAIN, IT'S BLENDED, UM, IS JUST YOUR MEDICAL CLAIMS. OKAY. 
          AND THEN ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          DO YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY SENSE OF WHY THE SCHOOL'S CLAIMS ON AVERAGE ARE, ARE MORE, I, I WOULD THINK IF ANYTHING IT WOULD BE THE, THE REVERSE WHERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, FIREFIGHTERS FOR EXAMPLE, ARE DEALING WITH CARCINOGENS ALL THE TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          I WOULD THINK IT WOULD TIP THE OTHER WAY. 
          YEAH, IT'S, THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE MORE TIMES THAN NOT, WHEN WE LOOK AT THE SCHOOLS AND COUNTIES THAT WE HAVE AS CLIENTS, UM, THE, THE COUNTIES CAN TEND TO BE HIRING CLAIMS AND PROBABLY IT'S MORE AGE DRIVEN THAN ANYTHING ELSE. 
          UM, JUST AVERAGE AGE SCHOOLS ARE OFTEN HIRING YOUNGER TEACHERS THAT, YOU KNOW, ARE GENERALLY NOT AS, NOT AS RISKY WHEN IN THE, IN THE WORLD OF INSURANCE IT'S, YOU KNOW, A A BABY, A NORMAL BABY WITH A NORMAL DELIVERY IS NOT AN EXPENSIVE THING OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE CANCERS AND THE HEARTS AND THE THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO, UM, IT, MY GUESS WOULD, WOULD BE ONLY THAT, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'VE ONLY GOT THREE MONTHS OF EXPERIENCE WITH, WITH THE LOCAL CHOICE THAT WE CAN KIND OF LOOK AT WITH THE COUNTY. 
          UM, AND IT CAN BE YEAR TO YEAR. 
          SO THE SCHOOLS MAY JUST HAVE BE, THEY MAY JUST BE COMING OFF A BAD YEAR, UM, WHEN E EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE ABOUT DOUBLE THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY AS FAR AS TOTAL ENROLLED UNDER THE, UNDER THE LOCAL CHOICE PLAN, YOU CAN STILL HAVE, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THINGS THAT CAN MAKE YOU MAKE YOUR CLAIMS WACKY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAY BE BENEFITING THE COUNTY IS ACTUALLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AND RESCUE, THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THE WELLNESS PHYSICALS. 
          SO WHEN WE HAVE HAD A KIND CANCER DIAGNOSIS, IT'S BEEN EARLY STAGES RATHER THAN MORE ADVANCED, WHICH OTHER LOCALITIES WHO AREN'T DOING IT WOULD MOST LIKELY EXPERIENCE. 
          GOOD POINT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO YOU SAID THAT IT'S STATE FUNDED GROUP. 
          SO DOES THAT COVER DMV EMPLOYEES, UH, VDOT EMPLOYEES AND ALL OF THAT IS ALL IN THIS BIG GROUP C WELL, YES, THEY, WELL THERE'S, THEY'RE UNDER THE SAME BENEFIT STRUCTURE, BUT THE, THE, UM, THE, THE STATE EMPLOYEES, THE VDOT, THOSE THAT ARE, UM, OUTSIDE OF A COUNTY SCHOOL STRUCTURE, RIGHT. 
          THEY'VE GOT THEIR OWN GIGANTIC PLAN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THE LOCAL CHOICE KIND OF MANAGES SAME BENEFIT STRUCTURE, SAME, SAME BENEFIT PLANS. 
          THEY MANAGE THE PLANS FOR THE COUNTIES AND SCHOOLS. 
          AND THE, THE BIG STATE PLAN IS TRULY ONE BIG PLAN. 
          EVERYONE PAYS THE SAME RATE, RIGHT? THE LOCAL CHOICE IS A STATE STRUCTURED, CALL IT A MEWA, A MULTIPLE EMPLOYER WELFARE ARRANGEMENT THAT OKAY. 
          THEY PUT A BUNCH OF SMALLER SCHOOLS, COUNTIES, TOWNS, WATER AUTHORITIES AND THINGS LIKE THAT TOGETHER IN ONE PLAN. 
          UM, THEY STILL EXPERIENCE RATE IT, BUT YOU'RE, YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF BEING POOL RATED FOR LOTS OF THINGS AND THEIR, THEY'RE POOL RATING, YOUR PHARMACY AND THEIR POOL RATING, YOUR, YOUR, YOUR DENTAL ALL THE WAY REGARDLESS OF SIZE. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS JUST, I UNDERSTOOD THE STATE 'CAUSE WITH MY HUSBAND'S EMPLOYMENT. 
          RIGHT. 
          GOTCHA. 
          BUT, SO THAT'S WHY I WAS WONDERING IF IT'S ALL UNDER THE SAME THEN THE NUMBERS COMBINING AND TRYING TO GET NUMBERS. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE ALREADY THROWING 'EM IN A GROUP WITH LARGE NUMBERS, BUT I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT YOU'VE SECTIONED THEM OFF, YOU KNOW, VERSUS STATE EMPLOYEES AND COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          SO NOW IT MAKES MORE SENSE TO ME. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          YEAH, IT'S, IT IS UNIQUE THE WAY THE STATE HAS DONE. 
          IT'S A GREAT PLAN. 
          I, I WAS WITH THE BLUES PROBABLY IN THE EARLY NINETIES WHEN THEY ROLLED IT OUT. 
          AND I CAN REMEMBER GOING TO ALL THE DIFFERENT TOWNS AND COUNTIES AND WARREN COUNTY. 
          I THINK PROBABLY AT THAT TIME IT WAS, IT STARTED WITH VERY SMALL, SMALL GROUPS. 
          SMALL TOWNS REALLY WERE THE FIRST GROUPS THAT JUMPED IN. 
          AND AS IT'S GROWN AND THEY'VE GOTTEN BIGGER AND MORE EXPERIENCED UNDER THEIR BELT, THE LOCAL CHOICE CERTAINLY IS NOW CATERING TO, TO MUCH LARGER GROUPS THAN NORMAL THERE, OR THAN YOU WOULD NORMALLY THINK WOULD MAYBE WANNA BE PIGEONHOLED INTO FOUR PLANS. 
          SO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANTONIO, I THINK YOU HAD MAYBE, UH, SO I GUESS WITH THE, UH, WHERE TO START, IS THERE A STOP LOSS ON LARGE CLAIMS THAT DON'T COUNT AGAINST YOU? SURE. 
          IS 50 GRAND OR SOMETHING? YES. 
          FOR A GROUP THE SIZE, AND AGAIN, IT'S ONLY ON THE MEDICAL 'CAUSE AGAIN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY PULLING OUT THE PHARMACY. 
          I THINK FOR A GROUP THE SIZE OF THE COUNTY, IT'S 150,000. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO ANY, ANY PREMATURE BABY OR ANYTHING THAT'S CATASTROPHIC DOES GET PULLED OUT. 
          YOU PAY A, YOU PAY A FEE FOR THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S A REINSURANCE OR STOP LOSS FEE YOU PAY, BUT ANY CLAIM OVER 150 IS WIPED OFF. 
          I KNOW WE HAD A 12% INCREASE. 
          I THINK THE SCHOOLS HAD 23 MM-HMM . 
          I THINK THE TOWN HAD ABOUT A 20% INCREASE TOO. 
          I DON'T KNOW THE TOWNS, I KNOW THE SCHOOLS, BUT YEAH, THAT'S, I THINK THEY DID. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHO THEY'RE WITH, BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, SOME YEARS BACK WE DID LOOK AT COMBINING AND IT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID. 
          WE HAD BETTER CLAIMS EXPERIENCE, SO THE SCHOOL WOULD HAVE A LOWER PREMIUM, BUT WE, OUR, OUR PREMIUM WOULD GO UP. 
          BUT, UM, AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER OPTION, I THINK THEY MAY HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT THE OTHER NIGHT AT ONE OF OUR MEETINGS THAT THEY WANTED TO GO SELF-INSURED. 
          OF COURSE SELF-INSURED, YOU HAVE A $50,000 LIMIT YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR, 
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BUT THAT TAKES WHILE TO GET SETTLED INTO. 
          AND IT MAY NOT BE MUCH ADVANTAGE TO THAT EITHER. 
          IT'S, IT, AGAIN, WE LOOK AT IT ALL THE TIME FOR, WE'VE, WE'VE HELPED GROUPS NAVIGATE OUT THE LOCAL CHOICE AND INTO A, A TRUE SELF-FUNDED PLAN AS WELL. 
          UM, AGAIN, YOU'RE ONLY EIGHT MONTHS, NINE MONTHS INTO THE LOCAL CHOICE PLAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I DO, IT'S, IT'S WORTH, WE ALWAYS KIND OF CAN LOOK AT IT AT, YOU KNOW, IF WE DO A TRADITIONAL BID AND ASK FOR THE, YOU KNOW, THE BLUE CROSS, THE UNITEDS, THE AETNAS, THE CIGNAS TO, TO LOOK AT THE PLAN IT IS, IS IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT. 
          BUT YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          YOU'VE STILL GOTTA ACCOUNT FOR, UM, INCURRED BUT NOT REPORTED. 
          YOU'RE GONNA GET SOME SAVINGS THAT FIRST YEAR, BUT YOU GOTTA BE READY WITH THE RESERVES. 
          'CAUSE THEN YOU ARE A FLUCTUATING MONTH TO MONTH, YOU'RE PAYING CLAIMS THAT COULD VARY WIDELY UP TO THE STOP LOSS LIMIT. 
          AND THEN, LET'S SEE, UM, YEAH, SAW CDO COUNTY, I THINK THEY GOT HIT WITH LIKE A 23 OR 24. 
          AND THAT'S, I AND I THINK WE, I READ THE PAPER RIGHT. 
          IT SAID, UH, THEY WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE IT BACK DOWN TO 14 OR SO. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          IT WAS STILL A BIG INCREASE FOR THEM. 
          AND, AND THEY'RE NOT LOCAL CHOICE. 
          THEY'RE DIRECT WITH ANTHEM. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHICH IS ANOTHER OPTION WE COULD CERTAINLY RIGHT. 
          LOOK AT AS WELL. 
          IT'S, IT'S, SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IN THE POOL OF THE LOCAL CHOICE. 
          UM, THEY STARTED, IT WAS, THEY KIND OF ASKED FOR AN ESTIMATE WAY OUT, WAY, WAY, WAY BEFORE NORMALLY ANTHEM WOULD RUN THE RENEWAL. 
          AND THEN WHEN ANTHEM ULTIMATELY DID RUN THE RENEWAL, THE CLAIMS HAD GOTTEN BETTER IN THAT, THAT WINDOW IN TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO I, I READ THE PAPER TOO AND I WAS LIKE, WELL THAT'S . 
          RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE. 
          IT, IT DID START OUT AS A HIGH NUMBER AND IT GOT LOWER. 
          SOME OF IT WAS THROUGH JUST BACK AND FORTH WITH ANTHEM. 
          A LOT OF IT WAS JUST THE FACT THAT THE CLAIMS EXPERIENCE GOT BETTER. 
          SO WHEN ANTHEM DID DO THE, THE HARD RENEWAL, IT WAS A BETTER, BETTER PICTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND THEN I GUESS, I DON'T KNOW IF Y'ALL, IF I THINK, I THINK IT'S A GROUP OPTION FOR SOME PLANS OR WHATEVER, AND I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT NAME, BUT LIKE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT MM-HMM . 
          IS THAT INCLUDED IN THIS? OR IS THIS OFFERED? IT'S THERE, THERE IS ONE OPTION. 
          UH, THE, THE LOCAL CHOICE HAS A A, A HIGH DEDUCTIBLE PLAN. 
          I THINK IT'S A $3,400 DEDUCTIBLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WITH THAT PLAN, YOU CAN PAIR UP A HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I THINK WE HAVE, WE OFFER A TWO 50 DEDUCTIBLE AND A THOUSAND. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS, IS IT A THOUSAND OR FIVE? OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE GOT RID OF THE, IS IT OKAY IF WE GOT RID OF THE TWO 50, WOULD THAT HELP THE OVERALL RATES OR NOT? NOT IN THE LOCAL CHOICE WORLD. 
          OKAY. 
          SOME, SOME CARRIERS WOULD SAY YES, BECAUSE WE'RE LIVING DOWN TO ONE PLAN. 
          THERE'S A 2% OR SO SAVINGS. 
          BUT LOCAL CHOICE DOESN'T CARE IF YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE PLANS OR ONE PLAN. 
          THE RATES ARE THE SAME. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, AND WHEN THEY RUN THE RENEWAL, THEY GIVE YOU THE FULL MATRIX OF ALL THEIR, ALL THEIR PLANS THAT THEY OFFER. 
          IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU, SIR. 
          YOU TOO. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          IT'S BEEN A WHILE. 
          , UH, THE, UH, AND ACTUALLY I'D RATHER BE STANDING WHERE YOU ARE THAN SITTING HERE, BUT THAT'S ANOTHER THING, , UH, AND THEN THERE AGAIN, JUST BRING UP SOMETHING THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT KIND OF PREDATES ME AND THERE'S NOT TOO MUCH THAT PREDATES ME ANYMORE. 
          BUT, UH, IT SEEMS LIKE, I REMEMBER WAY BACK IN THE DAY THE SCHOOLS HAD A PLAN WITH BLUE CROSS AND I THINK IT HAD A HUNDRED DOLLARS LIFETIME DEDUCTIBLE. 
          THAT COULD HAVE BEEN. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S WILD. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'S, WE'VE, IT'S, I'M, I'VE ONLY BEEN DOING THIS 36 YEARS AND IF YOU'VE SEEN IT ALL FROM RIGHT, YOU KNOW, NO PPOS TO ONLY PPOS TO A LITTLE BIT OF AN HMO AND MM-HMM . 
          UM, EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN. 
          SO THERE'S, UM, IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE WORKING FOR THE COUNTY AND YEAH. 
          UM, FOR THE MANY YEARS THAT WE HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          WE APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, NO. 
          WELL THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TO EXPLAIN IT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          HAVE A GOOD EVENING. 
          [E. Discussion - Asset Replacement]
HI, I'M BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WITH ASSET REPLACEMENT, WE WILL START WITH THE REQUEST FROM BUILDING INSPECTIONS FOR A VEHICLE FOR 2027. 
          UM, THEY DID RECEIVE A VEHICLE IN 2026, SO, BUT ALL OF THEIR VEHICLES ARE VERY MUCH BEYOND THE MILEAGE AND DEPRECIATION VALUE. 
          SO WE DO WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE LOOKING FORWARD WITH THAT. 
          UM, THE NEXT LINE IS THE FINITY SOFTWARE. 
          THIS IS THE TAXATION SOFTWARE THAT WOULD HELP BOTH THE COMMISSIONER AND THE TREASURER SHIFT FROM ASS 400. 
          SO IT IS PART OF THAT REPLACEMENT PLAN. 
          AND THE $119,000 THAT IS FOR THE FIRST YEAR FOR THEIR ACTUAL INSTALLATION AND SUBSCRIPTION FOR ONE YEAR. 
          UM, THERE WOULD BE AN ONGOING SUBSCRIPTION FEE. 
          I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY WHAT THAT ONGOING FEE IS. 
          MOVING DOWN TO, UM, E 9 1 1, WE HAVE THE PSB TOWER FUND. 
          SO THIS IS A TOWER THAT IS ACTUALLY AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING. 
          UM, WE DO PAY A RENTAL FEE FOR IT AND WE ACTUALLY RECEIVE SOME REVENUE 
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FROM VERIZON FOR IT. 
          SO IT'S SOMEWHAT BALANCES, BUT IT WOULD BE $23,000, UM, FOR THAT FEE. 
          THE NEXT LINE IS ONE THAT IS VERY CRITICAL. 
          SO THE $494,000, THIS IS A CALL HANDLINE EQUIPMENT UPGRADE. 
          SO PART OF E 9 1 1. 
          UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE TO COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, AND THAT THEIR E 9 1 1 SYSTEM IS IN THE PROCESS OF UPGRADING TO. 
          UM, SO BASICALLY WE HAVE TO BE ALIGNED FINANCIALLY IN ORDER TO MAKE SURE THAT WHAT THEY'RE PAYING TO UPGRADE WE'RE UPGRADING AT THE SAME TIME. 
          OTHERWISE ONE CAN'T WORK WITHOUT THE OTHER. 
          UM, AND THEN THE RADIO RESERVE, THAT'S THE $300,000. 
          SO OUR RADIOS HAVE A FIVE YEAR SHELF LIFE AND CURRENTLY OURS ARE AT YEAR EIGHT. 
          UM, SO THIS WOULD BE TO REPLACE 20% OF THE RADIOS. 
          SO IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING $300,000. 
          AND THEN NEXT WE HAVE THE ELECTRONIC POLL BOOKS FOR ELECTIONS AT $70,000. 
          UM, AND THEN WE HAVE 62,500 FOR THE A DA MARKING DEVICES. 
          UM, THESE HAVE BEEN REQUESTED IN PRIOR FISCAL YEARS AND WE'VE CONTINUED TO KIND OF PUSH THEM FORWARD. 
          UM, BOTH ITEMS ARE BEYOND THEIR, UM, RECOMMENDED LIFE. 
          THE PRIORITY IS THE A DA MARKING DEVICES. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO, UM, MENTION THAT FOR, UM, THE TECHNOLOGY REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, SO IN 23 INTO CARRY 24, WE DID CARRY OVER UM, A MILLION AND A HALF IN ORDER TO FUND THE AS 400 REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, SO WE ALSO ARE WORKING ON PHASE TWO AND PHASE THREE OF THE BARRY DUNN CONSULTING. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE THE $427,000 THAT'S PART OF THAT UM, PROJECT IN ORDER TO MOVE OUR FINANCIAL SIDE OFF OF ASS 400. 
          AND THEY'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ALL OF OUR FINANCIAL DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO THE COMMISSIONER, THE TREASURER, AND THE FINANCIAL OFFICE IN ORDER TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EVERYBODY'S NEEDS INTO CONSIDERATION AND MOVE FORWARD WITH THE APPROPRIATE SOFTWARE. 
          SO THAT THINGS RUN SMOOTHLY. 
          THE CLEAR GOV A CFR, THAT'S THE AQUIFER, SO THAT'S $11,000. 
          AND THEN WE GET INTO THE FIRE STATION, OR SORRY, THE FIRE APPARATUS. 
          UM, FOR LINDEN, WE HAVE A 2004 TANKER THAT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED AT THE COST OF $800,000. 
          AND PLEASE NOTE THAT WITH APPARATUS IT IS A THREE YEAR LEAD TIME. 
          SO IT WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 27 YEARS OLD IF WE WERE TO REPLACE IT IN THIS COMING UPCOMING YEAR. 
          FOR THE AERIAL LADDER TRUCK, THIS IS UM, $550,000 TOWARDS THAT TRUCK REPLACEMENT. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN MAKING, UM, I BELIEVE THIS MOVES TO THE TWO POINT, UM, $2 MILLION TOTAL. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE TWO VEHICLES. 
          ONE, UM, TO REPLACE THE EMERGENCY MANAGER VEHICLE AND THEN ONE FOR THE ASSISTANT FIRE CHIEF VEHICLE REPLACEMENT ON THE INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY. 
          THE FIRST TWO ITEMS, THE UM, DESKTOP COMPUTER REPLACEMENTS AND LAPTOP REPLACEMENTS, YOU ACTUALLY APPROVED THE PAYMENT AND PURCHASE FOR 2026 FOR THOSE TWO ITEMS. SO THEY'RE BEING REMOVED FROM THE ASSET REPLACEMENT FOR 2027. 
          AND THEN REMAINING IS THE MDTS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UM, AND THOSE ARE BASICALLY THE IN-CAR COMPUTERS AND THEN ALSO TABLETS. 
          AND THESE ARE FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS. 
          AND THOSE ARE TABLETS THAT HAVE BEEN PREVIOUSLY REQUESTED IN THE IT BUDGET FOR DAVID'S TEAM. 
          UM, THERE'S THE ACCESS CONTROL SYSTEM THAT'S A $3,000 ITEM. 
          AND THEN THE GOVERNMENT CENTER GENERATOR, UM, I BELIEVE MR. JONES MENTIONED DURING HIS BUDGET PRESENTATION THAT IT WOULD BE TO SUPPORT OUR SERVER HERE, WHICH IS A REDUNDANT SERVER BETWEEN THE PSB, UM, AND THE IT OFFICE. 
          IT WOULDN'T BE FOR THE ENTIRE BUILDING. 
          AND WHEN THE DIOCESE SYSTEM IN THAT, I SHOULD HAVE HAD IT UNDER THE SERVER AND NETWORK EQUIPMENT, THAT'S JUST A BRAND FOR IT. 
          UM, SO A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS THERE. 
          UM, AND THEN FOR, UM, PARKS AND RECREATION OR THE, UM, BUILDINGS AND GROUNDS MAINTENANCE, UM, THEY DO HAVE A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE. 
          AND THEN PUBLIC WORKS ALSO HAS A REPLACEMENT VEHICLE. 
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UM, SO THERE ARE TWO VEHICLES THERE, UM, FOR, THERE'S A SECONDARY VEHICLE. 
          SO ONE WOULD HAVE THE ABILITY TO SHOVEL SNOW AS PART OF THE GROUNDS MAINTENANCE. 
          AND THEN ONE WOULD BASICALLY JUST BE THE ADMINISTRATIVE REPLACEMENT VEHICLE. 
          UM, AND THEN THERE ARE A SERIES OF PARKS REQUESTS. 
          UM, THE HOME PLATE TURF THAT, UM, MS. WALKER MENTIONED DURING HER PRESENTATION. 
          AND THEN THE SPIDER CLIMBER AND THE TODDLER PLAYGROUND. 
          UM, THESE WOULD BE TO FURTHER ADD EQUIPMENT TO OUR PLAYGROUNDS. 
          AND THERE IS A REQUEST FOR A, A VEHICLE FOR BUILDINGS. 
          UM, AND THIS WOULD BE UNDER PUBLIC WORKS. 
          AND THE NEXT ONE IS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE. 
          UM, THIS IS TO REPLACE 10 VEHICLES. 
          UM, THE MILEAGE FOR THESE VEHICLES IS WELL BEYOND THE, UM, RECOMMENDED MILEAGE TO REPLACE AND WE'RE STARTING TO SEE INCREASED REPAIR COSTS. 
          UM, WE DON'T WANT A PATROL VEHICLE TO BREAK DOWN WHILE THEY'RE WORKING. 
          UM, THE ONE THING THAT WHEN WE DO REPLACE ASSET OR SORRY VEHICLES WITH THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, WE ARE ABLE TO SHIFT A LOT OF THEIR OLDER VEHICLES TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          UM, SO THEY BECOME THE BIG BROTHER AND BIG SISTER AND YOU GET THE HAND DOWN. 
          UM, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT IF SOMETHING IS GONNA HAPPEN TO AN OLDER VEHICLE, WE'D RATHER IT BE A NON-EMERGENCY RESPONDER. 
          UM, THERE ARE THREE ITEMS THAT WE SHIFTED FROM THE ASSET REPLACEMENT BUDGET TO OPERATIONAL BUDGET. 
          I JUST WANNA POINT OUT, UM, THE POLICE EQUIPMENT. 
          THIS IS THE RIFLES RETROFITTING. 
          SO $8,500, WE SHIFTED THAT FROM ASSET REPLACEMENT INTO OPERATIONAL. 
          THE $40,000 UNDER THE LIVE SCAN REPLACEMENT, THAT IS THE FINGERPRINTING SYSTEM AT THE COURTHOUSE THAT WE ALSO SHIFTED. 
          AND THEN THE TASERS, THE 74,254, AGAIN, WE SHIFTED THAT TO OPERATIONAL EQUIPMENT. 
          SO THERE ARE STILL THE, UM, FIREARM REPLACEMENT FOR $78,000 AND THE IN-CAR CAMERAS FOR OUR SROS. 
          SO THOSE, OR SORRY I'M READING ON THE WRONG LINE. 
          THE IN-CAR CAMERA FOR THE SROS AND THE DRONE FLEET PROGRAM. 
          SO THE 78,000 FOR THE SRO CAMERAS AND 50,000 FOR THE DRONE PROGRAM. 
          TWO ITEMS THAT I DID NOT INCLUDE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF THEY ARE ON YOUR LIST, THE CC TV REPLACEMENT FOR THE COURTHOUSE THAT IS $60,000. 
          UM, AND THEN THE CCTV REPLACEMENT FOR THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING, THAT IS $172,000. 
          ANY QUESTIONS ON THE ASSET REPLACEMENT? OKAY. 
          NO, IT'S A QUESTION. 
          I DUNNO IF IT'S A QUESTION OR NOT. 
          UM, I'LL JUST SAY THAT THAT ALONG WITH THE ASSET REPLACEMENT AND THE CIP P, WE KNOW IT'S COMING MM-HMM . 
          AND WE NEED TO PLAN FOR THAT AND SET MONEY ASIDE. 
          I THINK BACK IN THE DAY THEY USED TO HAVE LIKE A SPECIAL FUND BALANCE MM-HMM . 
          UH, THING SPECIAL, UH, CATEGORY. 
          YEP. 
          'CAUSE WE KNEW BUILDING DEPARTMENTS GONNA HAVE THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I THINK THAT CAME OUT OF, OR THAT WAS SET ASIDE IN FUND BALANCE RESTRICTED. 
          YEP. 
          AND THAT ALL HAS KIND OF CHANGED. 
          I MEAN, IT WAS STILL THERE, WHICH HELPED OUR BOND RATING. 
          AND AGAIN, RIGHT NOW, OBVIOUSLY WE ARE WAITING FOR THE AUDITS MM-HMM . 
          TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE. 
          BUT THAT'S JUST ONE, ONE THING BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, EVERYTHING, YOU GOTTA FIX IT, YOU PAY NOW OR PAY LATER AND YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT OR BURDEN A FUTURE BOARD TO HAVE ALL THIS STUFF. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT, I'M JUST SAYING FOR THE BOARD'S CONSIDERATION. 
          UM, AND I GUESS, LET'S SEE, THE, UM, AND I GUESS THIS WAS ON THE WEBSITE, I GET I THINK SOMEWHERE MAYBE MM-HMM . 
          BECAUSE I KNOW ON THE AGENDA YEAH, YOU HAD TO LOOK FOR IT. 
          THE OTHER RE UH, SUGGESTION, RECOMMENDATION OR WHATEVER. 
          AND I APPRECIATE GOING INTO EACH SECTION IN DETAIL WHAT THE, THE DEPARTMENT'S LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS OPERATION, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS PERSONNEL, WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR AS FAR AS CAPITAL, UH, IMPROVEMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ASSET REPLACEMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND I UNDERSTAND TOO THAT SOME OF THESE THINGS, IT, IT OVERLAPS RIGHT. 
          BUT IT JUST SEEMED LIKE TO ME IT'S A LOT EASIER IF IT'S ALL AND WILL DEFER TO, UH, MS COLORS, PUT IT IN WRITING SO SHE HAS A HARD COPY INSTEAD OF JUST ON THE, UH, THING. 
          BUT NO, I THINK THAT WOULD BE BENEFICIAL. 
          THE OTHER THING TOO, UH, JUST A SUGGESTION AND THERE AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S ON THE WEBSITE AND I GUESS I HAVE DIFFICULTY SOMETIMES 'CAUSE I'M NOT USED TO THE WEBSITE NAVIGATING. 
          BUT THE OTHER THING I WOULD SUGGEST TOO IS TO PUT WHAT YOU GAVE US 
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UP THERE ON THE BOARD, SO FOLKS AT HOME, IF THEY'RE INTERESTED, THEY COULD AT LEAST SEE AND FOLLOW ALONG. 
          UH, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING FOR, AND ACTUALLY I PRINTED THIS OFF FROM THE COMPUTER AND THEN ENLARGE IT. 
          SO I WAS GONNA SAY EITHER ENLARGE THE PRINT OR ELSE YOU HOLD IT RIGHT THERE AND I'LL BE ABLE TO READ IT . 
          SO WHEREAS I'M LIKE, , UHHUH, . 
          EXACTLY. 
          BUT NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          IT WAS JUST HARD TO, HARD TO FOLLOW ALONG SOMETIMES. 
          YEP. 
          YOU KNOW, I APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          IN THERE AGAIN. 
          UH, JUST, JUST SOME SUGGESTIONS. 
          YEP. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YOU MA'AM. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ABOUT BUDGET OUTLOOK. 
          [F. Discussion - FY 2027 Budget Outlook]
SO DR. MARTIN, I THINK THAT'S YOU. 
          SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY THAT I GET TO DISCUSS THE BUDGET TONIGHT. 
          SO AS WE KNOW, WE HAVE NOW POSTPONED THE FORMAL BUDGET PRESENTATION UNTIL NEXT TUESDAY. 
          SO TONIGHT IS SIMPLY, UM, AN OUTLOOK. 
          UM, LET ME TELL YOU WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW. 
          UM, AND AGAIN, YOU HAVE MADE SOME CHANGES TONIGHT, UM, AS WE LOOK AT CAPITAL OUTLAY AND ASSET REPLACEMENT. 
          SO THOSE THINGS WILL, YOU'LL SEE AGAIN NEXT WEEK AND THE BUDGET. 
          SO I WANT SKIP AHEAD NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I WANT TO BE SURE I CAN MEET YOUR EXPECTATIONS ABOUT THE BUDGET DOCUMENT ITSELF. 
          WE WILL PROBABLY GIVE YOU TWO DOCUMENTS. 
          ONE IS GOING TO BE MY RECOMMENDATION OR THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S BUDGET, AND THAT'S GOING TO, UH, HAVE ALL THE CUTS THAT I'M SUGGESTING AND I'LL MAKE THAT PRESENTATION. 
          THE SECOND DOCUMENT WILL BE ALL OF THE REQUESTED THINGS FROM COUNTY STAFF, PERSONNEL, ALL OF THAT. 
          SO YOU'LL HAVE ALL, EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SUBMITTED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO AS WE LOOK FORWARD, I CAME ACROSS THIS QUOTE TODAY AS I WAS PUTTING THE FINAL TOUCHES ON THIS, UM, POWERPOINT. 
          A BUDGET DOESN'T LIMIT TO LIMIT YOUR FREEDOM. 
          IT'S SUPPOSED TO GIVE YOU FREEDOM. 
          SO JUST REMEMBER THAT AS WE KIND OF GO THROUGH THIS A LITTLE BIT. 
          SO TO RECAP JUST OUR BUDGET DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, UH, BEFORE I CAME, THE DEPARTMENTS AND CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICERS DETERMINED NEEDS. 
          THEY TALKED, UH, WITH COUNTY STAFF ABOUT THAT AND THEY SUBMITTED THOSE TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AFTER THAT. 
          UH, WE'VE BEEN SPENDING, I GUESS THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS WHERE THE COUNTY STAFF HAS BEEN COMING TO YOU AND PRESENTING, UH, WHAT THEIR NEEDS BASED BUDGET WAS AS THEY PRESENTED IT TO YOU SATURDAY, AS WE ALL KNOW, UH, YOU HAD AN ADVANCE. 
          SO DURING THAT TIME, COUNTY STAFF WITH YOU, UM, YOU DETERMINED YOUR PRIORITIES FOR THE COMING YEAR OR PROBABLY MULTI YEARS AFTER THAT. 
          UM, I AM IN THE PROCESS WITH STAFF NOW TO DETERMINE WHAT THE BUDGET'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE BASED ON REVENUE, WHICH WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN JUST A MINUTE. 
          UH, I'M GONNA PRESENT THAT ON THE 17TH. 
          AND YOU STILL HAVE TO SCHEDULE, UH, I GUESS A WORK SESSION THAT FOLLOWING WEEK WHERE THAT WILL BE THE MARKUP AND THE MARKDOWN. 
          AND THAT'S A PROCESS THAT YOU HAVE HERE. 
          AND WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN ADOPTION OF THE BUDGET ON APRIL THE 21ST. 
          THAT WILL GIVE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TIME ENOUGH TO ISSUE CONTRACTS. 
          SO HERE'S THE PRIORITIES, AND I DIDN'T PUT ALL OF THESE, BUT I JUST WANTED TO REFRESH ALL OF OUR MEMORIES ABOUT SATURDAY. 
          ONE, PUBLIC SAFETY SECOND, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, EDUCATION AND TOURISM. 
          THOSE WERE THE, THOSE WERE THE TOP THAT I SAW THERE AS WE WENT THROUGH THOSE PRIORITIES. 
          SO IN THE BUDGET YOU WILL SEE REFLECTED THESE, WE WILL ACTUALLY GO THROUGH THE REQUESTED NEEDS. 
          I WILL DEVELOP A RUBRIC AND WE WILL MEASURE THOSE NEEDS AGAINST YOUR PRIORITIES BECAUSE WE WANT TO BE SURE NOW THAT YOU'VE IDENTIFIED YOUR PRIORITIES, WE'RE GONNA MEET THOSE NEEDS. 
          BUT BEFORE WE GET THERE, SO, YOU KNOW, I'M KIND OF NEW TO THIS BUDGET DANCE, SO I'VE HEARD SOME THINGS AND I'VE HEARD SOME, UM, MAYBE SOME MYTHS AND MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT DIDN'T RING TRUE TO ME. 
          SO I WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF TIME JUST TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT I'VE LEARNED THAT ARE GOING TO AFFECT OUR BUDGET. 
          FIRST, EDA. 
          SO HERE WAS NEW LEARNING FOR ME. 
          THIS COUNTY IS 
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NOT, CAN I JUST REPEAT THAT? IS NOT PAYING THE DEBT FOR THE EDA, YOU ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT. 
          YOU ARE NOT PAYING IT. 
          THAT'S NEW LEARNING FOR ME. 
          AUDITS, LET ME GIVE YOU AN UPDATE. 
          THE 24 AUDIT. 
          NOW, UH, WE HAVE FINISHED TO THE POINT THAT IT'S NOW BEING LOADED INTO THE GENERAL LEDGER AND WE'RE LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE ANY DISCREPANCIES THAT'S MUCH FARTHER ALONG THAN WE WERE I GUESS A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO. 
          BUT CERTAINLY NOW, UM, AND AS WE TALK ABOUT THE 25 AUDIT, I WAS JUST DOWN THERE TODAY, I KIND OF MAKE A FREQUENT VISIT EVERY COUPLE OF DAYS TO THE TREASURER'S OFFICE. 
          HOW ARE WE DOING? YOU KNOW, HOW ARE THE RECONCILIATIONS GOING? SO WE'RE AT MAY ON 25. 
          THAT'S GREAT NEWS. 
          WHEN I CAME, IT WAS PROBABLY NOVEMBER, DECEMBER, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, THEY'VE REALLY BEEN TRYING TO RECONCILE THESE ACCOUNTS. 
          SO HERE'S SOME NOT SO GOOD NEWS. 
          BOND RATINGS, MOODY HAS WITHDRAWN YOUR BOND RATING THAT AFFECTS YOUR ABILITY TO GO OUT FOR A LOAN. 
          UM, S AND P, UH, WE HAVE TO SUPPLY SOME INFORMATION TO THEM, BUT I WILL TELL YOU, UH, I, I DON'T WANNA SAY WE'RE ON THE BRINK OF LOSING IT, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO SUPPLY MORE INFORMATION TO THEM ABOUT THE AUDIT. 
          AND I HOPE THAT WE CAN DO THAT. 
          SO AS WE LOOK AT WARREN COUNTY'S PROFILE, AND YOU MAY HAVE RECOGNIZED SOME OF THIS, UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS A POPULATION OF AROUND $41,000 AND UM, WE'RE PROBABLY UP ABOUT 7% FROM THE 22. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, AS WE LOOK THE MEDIAN INCOME HERE AND AS WE TALK ABOUT TAXES AND WE TALK ABOUT TAX INCREASE, THIS IS KIND OF IMPORTANT THAT YOUR MEDIAN INCOME IS $315,800. 
          KIND OF IMPORTANT THERE. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN ALSO SEE ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, UM, HOW WE'VE DETERMINED THAT AND WHAT PERCENT OF THE POPULATION IS ACTUALLY IN THAT AREA. 
          ANOTHER AHA MOMENT FOR ME WAS LOOKING AT THE HOME VALUE DISTRIBUTION. 
          SO AS YOU CAN SEE HERE, BETWEEN 300 AND UM, 3 99, THAT'S WHERE THE BULK OF YOUR HOUSING IS. 
          SO THAT'S TELLS YOU A LOT ABOUT HOUSING. 
          ALRIGHT, , I DON'T WANNA SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS, BUT HERE WE GO. 
          SO, UM, WE HAVE CALCULATED ALL OF THE NEEDS BUDGET REQUESTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE BY THE DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND IF WE TOTAL ALL OF THOSE UP, WE ARE LOOKING FOR AN OVERALL ASK OF $33,353,065. 
          AND IF WE CALCULATE THAT ONE PENNY ON THE TAX RATE WILL EQUAL $700,000. 
          AND IF WE FUNDED ALL OF THE NEEDS, IT WOULD BE A 47 CENTS INCREASE TO YOUR TAX RATE. 
          NOW, I'VE MADE THE COMMENT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROPE AT WALMART TO HANG US ALL SHOULD THAT HAPPEN, BUT I'M RESPONSIBLE FOR TELLING YOU AND SHOWING YOU WHAT THIS ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          UM, THIS IS HOW WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT ALL OF THIS NOW. 
          SO, AND HERE'S SOME HAPPY NEWS. 
          UM, WE HAVE SOME DEPARTMENTS, AND I PICKED TWO, WE HAVE MANY FIRE AND RESCUE IN THE IT DEPARTMENT. 
          UM, SO FIRE AND RESCUE CALLED ME OUT THERE WITH JANE AND THEY SAID WE WANT TO DO SOME CHANGING TO OUR BUDGET. 
          OKAY, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? UM, THEY ACTUALLY PUT SOME THINGS IN THEIR NEEDS BUDGET FOR NEXT YEAR THAT THEY'RE GOING TO FUND NOW IN THEIR EXISTING BUDGET. 
          THEY'RE FINDING WAYS TO DO THAT. 
          IT HAS DONE THE SAME THING. 
          WHAT DOES THAT TELL ME? THAT TELLS ME, AND YOU ALL KNOW THAT MY DISSERTATION IS AS SITE-BASED MANAGEMENT. 
          SO THIS TELLS ME WE HAVE SOME PEOPLE THAT ARE REALLY LOOKING AT THEIR OWN BUDGETS AND THEY'RE MANAGING THEIR BUDGETS, THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET THE NEEDS WITHOUT COMING FORWARD AND ASKING FOR MORE MONEY. 
          SO I REALIZED THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THIS, BUT THIS IS THE BEST I COULD DO. 
          I'M 
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GONNA HAVE TO PUT ON MY GLASSES TO SEE THIS ONE. 
          BUT I WANTED YOU TO SEE THE REGIONAL TAX STRUCTURES, UM, BETWEEN FAY OR SHENANDOAH FRONT ROYAL PAGE AND WINCHESTER WARREN IS AT THE BOTTOM. 
          SO WE, I'VE LISTED POPULATION, I'VE LISTED REAL ESTATE TAX, TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY, BUSINESS, FURNITURE, DATA CENTER EQUIPMENT. 
          AND JUST LET ME MAKE A QUICK COMMENT ABOUT THAT. 
          YOU NOTICE THAT FALK HERE IS AT $4 AND 15 CENTS AND WE ARE AT A DOLLAR. 
          NOW THIS IS AN OLD, UM, TAX THING, BUT WE PULLED THAT OUT. 
          THEN MACHINERY, TOOLS, MOTOR HOME CAMPERS AND BOATS, AUTOS, MEALS TAX, LODGING TAX, CIGARETTE TAX. 
          SO YOU CAN SEE HOW WE COMPARE TO ALL OF OUR LOCALITIES AROUND US. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, UM, WE'RE LOOKING AT A REAL ESTATE TAX OF 0.479. 
          WE ARE THE LOWEST. 
          WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? NOTHING YET, BECAUSE I HAVEN'T BROUGHT A RECOMMENDATION TO YOU OF HOW WE THINK WE CAN FUND SOME OF THE NEEDS IN OUR BUDGET. 
          SO HERE'S THE KICKER. 
          BASED ON THE CURRENT TAX RATES, THE ANTICIPA ANTICIPATED REVENUE, RIGHT NOW WE'RE ANTICIPATING $6.9 MILLION WITH 900,000 OF THAT BEING A CIGARETTE TAX. 
          SHOULD YOU PUT THAT THROUGH? SO WE'RE COUNTING LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT WE HAVE $6 MILLION TO FUND WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW WITHOUT A TAX INCREASE. 
          COULD, SORRY, I HATE TO INTERRUPT. 
          COULD YOU CLARIFY WHERE THAT 6.9 MILLION CAME FROM? IS, WAS IT DUE TO THE ASSESSMENTS OR IS IT, UH, NEW PROJECTS OR? NO, IT'S ACTUALLY IF WE KEPT EVERYTHING THAT OUR TAX COLLECTION THROUGH ALL OF OUR TAX COLLECTION SOURCES THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE, WE PROJECTED THAT'S GONNA BE NEW REVENUE IN THE NEW YEAR. 
          LET'S DO ALL OF OUR SOURCES. 
          AND THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WITH THAT BE IS THE, UH, UH, $900,000. 
          THAT'S IF YOU GO WITH THE CIGARETTE TAX. 
          BUT, BUT THAT YOU ALL TALKED ABOUT. 
          BUT THE 6 MILLION IS, IS ALWAYS WE WE HAD IT LAST YEAR TOO, OR YEAH, WE DIDN'T SPEND IT. 
          THIS IS GONNA BE AN IN, NO, THIS IS THIS, THIS IS NEW MONEY COMING IN BASED ON OUR CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE. 
          OUR CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, UM, NO TAX INCREASE. 
          I I JUST WANT TO UNDER, I I WANT TO ASK HIS QUESTION AGAIN. 
          . 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE'S THE 6 MILLION COMING FROM? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT REASSESSING HOMES. 
          NO. 
          AND THE PRO PERSONAL PROPERTY, THE VEHICLES ARE BASICALLY STABLE, RIGHT? SO WHERE'S SIX? WHERE'S WHERE ARE WE GOING? SO IF YOU GO BACK, OKAY TO THIS ONE. 
          SO YOUR CURRENT TAX STRUCTURE, WHICH IS REAL ESTATE, TANGIBLE PERSONAL PROPERTY, YOU GO ALL THE WAY ACROSS ALL THOSE TAX RATES IN THE NEXT YEAR WILL EQUAL $6 MILLION. 
          WE KEEP EVERYTHING THE SAME. 
          YEAH, BUT WHAT DID WE GET THAT $6 MILLION LAST YEAR AND NOT KNOW IT IF NOTHING'S CHANGED, IF WE DIDN'T KNOW NOTHING'S CHANGED, BUT, WELL, I WANNA TURN TO ALYSSA FOR JUST A SECOND. 
          . 
          SO THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE COMING IN WITHOUT STATE AND FEDERAL MONEY ADDED. 
          UH, LET ME INTRODUCE DAVID MARTIN WITH BRAINS . 
          THANK YOU DR. MARTIN. 
          THAT WOULD BE BASED UPON THE ASSESSMENTS. 
          SO GOT GOT JUST A LITTLE SQUEEZE OUT THE ASSESSMENT. 
          WE DID GET A LITTLE SQUEEZE OUT AS ASSESSMENTS JUST FOR REAL ESTATE, NOT PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          SO AS YOU KNOW, THE, THE CLOSER WE DO AN ASSESSMENT, A REASSESSMENT THAT THE UH, PUBLIC SERVICE TAX GOES CLOSER TO A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          SO THAT INCREASED SLIGHTLY AS WELL. 
          BUT THE, IT'S THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS, REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENTS THAT SHOWED THAT $6 MILLION INCREASE. 
          OKAY. 
          WHATEVER THAT GOT IT. 
          DID THAT GET YOU TWO? NO, THAT DIDN'T BECAUSE DID WE, LAST YEAR WE REASSESSED AND OUR NEW TAX RATE WAS BASED ON THOSE REASSESSMENTS. 
          SO THIS YEAR I THOUGHT WE DIDN'T HAVE ONE. 
          ASSESSMENT CHANGES, NEW ASSESSMENTS ASSESSMENT CHANGED A LITTLE BIT THOUGH. 
          WHEN YOU, THE ASSESSMENTS DO CHANGE FROM LAST YEAR TO 
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THIS YEAR. 
          WERE THERE NEW ASSESSMENTS? RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES LAST YEAR 'CAUSE OF THE REASSESSMENTS. 
          SO, 'CAUSE THERE, THERE WAS JUST LIKE PEOPLE WERE ALL OVER THE BOARD. 
          SO WE SAID WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO NEUTRALIZE. 
          YOU HAD TO ABOUT GUESS THAT RATE THERE TO BE WITHIN NEUTRAL. 
          WE, WE USED THE, UH, THE RATE TO TO, YES. 
          IT WAS THE EQUALIZED TAX RATE. 
          WE EQUALIZED IT. 
          RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO, SO, AND THAT WAS WITH NEW ASSESSMENTS. 
          SO THIS YEAR I THOUGHT WE DON'T HAVE NEW, NEW ASSESSMENTS. 
          IT'S BASED UPON THE VALUATIONS. 
          SO AS MS. ERS PRESENTED LAST WEEK TO YOU ALL BASED UPON YEAH, I SAW THAT NUMBER. 
          YEAH, I IS BUT I THOUGHT THAT NUMBER WAS A LEVEL NUMBER FROM LAST YEAR SINCE THERE. 
          'CAUSE THERE WERE NO, NO REASSESSMENTS, NO IT WASN'T A, NOT A LEVEL NUMBER FROM LAST YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL I'LL, I'LL LOOK UP LAST YEAR'S AND THIS YEAR'S NUMBER. 
          BUT THAT'S THE, THAT'S WHERE THIS HAS TO COME FROM, RIGHT? IT'S ALL REAL ESTATE. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU ALLISON. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE WE ARE. 
          THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. 
          IT IS NOT GOOD NEWS, BUT RIGHT NOW THAT'S THE BEST WE CAN DO. 
          UNTIL YOU SEE THE BUDGET. 
          UNTIL I GO THROUGH THE BUDGET, UH, I HAVEN'T, WE'VE STARTED, UM, UH, I CAN TELL YOU THE CONVERSATIONS AS YOU KNOW, UH, WITH THE SCHOOL ASK, IT WAS $8.5 MILLION. 
          UM, I DID TALK WITH THE SUPERINTENDENT TODAY AND I CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT I'VE ASKED HIM FOR. 
          I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT INSURANCE RATE, HOW MUCH RAISE DO WE NEED TO GIVE THE EMPLOYEES SO WE CAN MEET THAT RATE WITHOUT THEM LOSING MONEY. 
          I NEED TO KNOW WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER TO KNOW. 
          UM, SO I'LL HAVE THAT BY FRIDAY I THINK. 
          UH, AND THEN I WANT TO KNOW, SO IF YOU UH, GAVE A 1% RAISE, WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE? SO I WANT TO START LOOKING AT NUMBERS. 
          THE COUNTY, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT A 3% RAISE PLUS A MERIT. 
          UM, SO, AND HE KNOWS THAT, UH, RIGHT NOW THEY'RE AT 4% I BELIEVE. 
          UM, AND THAT'S PART OF THE 8.5. 
          I THINK IT'S AROUND $5 MILLION TO DO THE 4%. 
          I HOPE I HAD THAT RIGHT. 
          BUT I WANNA LOOK HOW WE CAN DO THAT. 
          I DON'T WANT TO LOSE PEOPLE FROM THEIR SIDE, OUR SIDE, ANYBODY. 
          I WANT TO BE FAIR ABOUT THIS. 
          UM, BUT IT'S A BIG ASK WITH THE HEALTH INSURANCE RATE FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          NO, I KNOW. 
          A COUPLE YEARS AGO I THINK, UH, I TALKED TO ONE SCHOOL EMPLOYEE AND THEY SAID THEY GOT A RAISE, BUT WITH THE INSURANCE GOING UP, THEY TOOK HOME LESS MONEY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO WE WANNA TRY TO AVOID THAT IF ALL POSSIBLE. 
          UM, AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A 3% PLUS A STEP FOR OUR EMPLOYEES PLUS A MERIT. 
          PLUS A MERIT, OKAY. 
          MERIT STEP DIFFERENCE, WHATEVER. 
          ANYWAY. 
          AND THAT, WHAT WHAT'S THE FIGURE ON THAT OFFHAND? I MEAN I KNOW IT'S ALL IN HERE SOMEWHERE, BUT IF YOU LOOKED AT THE OVERALL THING, HOW MUCH WOULD IT BE TO DO THAT? TOTALLY. 
          AND I GUESS WHEN YOU GIVE THE 3%, YOU'RE ALSO TALKING ABOUT BUMPING UP VRS, WORKERS' COMP, ALL THOSE THINGS TOO. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S RIGHT. 
          UM, UM, AND UH, THANK YOU MR. CARTER FOR PUTTING ME ON THE SPOT. 
          HOWEVER, CAN I HOLD THAT QUESTION UNTIL NEXT WEEK BECAUSE I NO, NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST, I WANNA GET, I NO, I'M GONNA, I WANT TO GIVE YOU A TOTALITY YES. 
          OF THE BUDGET. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AND HOW EVERYTHING COULD FIT TOGETHER. 
          NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          I DIDN'T MEAN TO PLAY OH NO, NO, NO. 
          STUMP DR. MARTIN. 
          YOU KNOW. 
          OH, THAT WON'T BE HARD. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE DEPARTMENT HEADS AND ALL OUR EMPLOYEES, WHICH I'VE ALWAYS FELT LIKE THEIR EMPLOYEES ARE OUR BIGGEST ASSET. 
          'CAUSE THEY CARRY OUT OUR POLICIES AND TAKE CARE OF THE DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS. 
          AND I KNOW ONE GENTLEMAN WAS, CAME HERE A COUPLE, I DON'T, I THINK IT WAS BEFORE YOU STARTED, BUT ANYWAY, HE MADE SOME MENTION. 
          HE WENT THROUGH THE BUDGET AND HE SAW WHERE THERE WAS, UH, EXPENDITURES FOR HOT DOGS. 
          AND I THINK THE, UH, $5 AND SOMETHING FOR PAT. 
          BUT I THINK, BUT YEAH, BUT I THINK IT HAD, I THINK HE INTERPRETED AS BEING FOR THE EMPLOYEE'S LUNCH, BUT I THINK IT MAY HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH RUNNING THE CONCESSION, STAND DOWN AT THE, UH, THING LIKE THAT. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S EASY TO LOOK AT NUMBERS AND, AND, AND NOT EXACTLY UNDERSTAND THEM. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, I DO WANT TO IMPRESS UPON EVERYBODY, 
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THIS IS NOT OUR MONEY. 
          THIS IS THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND WE SHOULD TREAT IT AS IF IT WAS OUR OWN MONEY. 
          AND THAT GOES FOR EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT IT AND THEN TRY TO BE AS COST EFFICIENT. 
          NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT RIGHT. 
          BUT TRY TO BE AS COST EFFICIENT AS POSSIBLE. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND NOT DO DUPLICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          SO THAT'S JUST MY THOUGHT. 
          UM, BUT ANYWAY. 
          AND I'LL THINK OF SOME MORE QUESTIONS TO STUMP YOU NEXT WEEK. 
          GOOD, GOOD. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO THAT. 
          ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? WELL, I, I JUST WANT TO KIND OF CLARIFY WHEN PEOPLE LOOK AT THE PRIORITIES AND THE WAY THEY'RE RANKED, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO THINK THAT EDUCATION IS THIRD ON THE LIST. 
          NO, THESE ARE NOT RANKED AND, BUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM IS, YOU KNOW, TO HELP INCREASE REVENUE SO WE CAN PUT MONEY INTO PUBLIC SAFETY AND EDUCATION. 
          SO I JUST DIDN'T WANT SOMEBODY TO LOOK AT THAT AND THINK THAT THOSE ARE RANKED AS IMPORTANCE IN THAT, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THESE ARE ALL EQUALLY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, SO THAT I, I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT TO WHO MAY BE WATCHING THIS AND YOU KNOW, THINKING, WELL GEE WAS EDUCATION IS NOT THAT IMPORTANT TO THEM. 
          NO, IT IS. 
          BUT THE OTHER TWO GENERATE REVENUE TO HELP PAY FOR ALL THIS STUFF. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT'S, UM, JUST THE TAXES THEY PAY AND RIGHT. 
          UM, AND WE DIDN'T TOUCH ON THE REVENUE THAT WE GET FROM THE STATE AND FEDERAL AND, AND ALL THAT. 
          AND I WILL, I WILL SAY I'M ONE OF THOSE THAT DOESN'T THINK OF THAT WHEN I GET MY TAX BILL, I JUST GO, WOO, LOOK WHAT I'M PAYING . 
          SO, UM, YEAH, EDUCATING AND GETTING THOSE NUMBERS AND EVERYTHING OUT SO PEOPLE UNDERSTAND 'EM. 
          IT'S A BIG JOB FORCE IT, AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, THIS IS A HUGE JIGSAW PUZZLE. 
          MANY PIECES. 
          UM, AND WE HAVE ONE PIE AND WE'RE GONNA DO SOME PIE CHARTS FOR YOU. 
          UH, ACTUALLY WE'RE GONNA DO A DOLLAR BILL. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY I LIKE THE DOLLAR BILL. 
          WE'RE GONNA DO THE DOLLAR BILL. 
          SO YOU CAN SAY HOW, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE BUDGET BUDGET IS GOING TO CERTAIN PLACES. 
          I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT. 
          UM, AND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE EDUCATION IS ONE OF OUR BIGGEST MM-HMM . 
          IT IS EVERYWHERE. 
          IT'S NOT JUST HERE. 
          IT'S EVERYWHERE. 
          AND WITH ANY BUDGET, YOU'LL HEAR ME SAY THIS, UM, PERSONNEL, YOUR MOST TREASURED COMMODITY WILL PROBABLY MAKE UP 80% OF YOUR BUDGET TYPICALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAD ONE OTHER THING AND YOU'VE KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT ALREADY. 
          AND, UH, WE WILL, WE WILL ADOPT THE BUDGET APRIL 21ST AND THAT THAT WILL BE WHATEVER. 
          BUT, BUT, AND THERE AGAIN, I THINK IT'S GOOD TOO, WHICH, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TILL JUNE 30TH, BUT WE WANNA TRY TO GET THAT TOGETHER FOR, FOR THE SCHOOLS TO LET THEIR CONTRACTS. 
          BUT, AND I DON'T REMEMBER IF IT'S, WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE TO HAVE THAT AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS. 
          WHAT DATE IS THE PUBLIC HEARING? I'M NOT SURE IF I RECALL THAT. 
          SO ZACH AND I ARE HAVING CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE WE WANNA BE SURE. 
          UM, IT'S GOTTA BE PRINTED AND THEN, AND WE JUST HAD THIS CONVERSATION TODAY, SO I WILL BRING THAT TO YOU NEXT WEEK. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          IS IT SEVEN DAYS BEFORE THE, UH, ADOPTION THAT YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING OR AT LEAST SEVEN DAYS? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          JUST WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND ALYSSA WOULD LIKE SOME TIME TO HELP ME. 
          AGAIN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO COME BACK UP. 
          I WANNA CORRECT MYSELF. 
          UM, WHEN I SAID EARLIER THAT IT WAS REAL ESTATE TAXES, IT WAS THE INCREASE I WOULD LOVE TO PROVIDE WITH A BREAKOUT FOR YOU. 
          IT WAS 2.4 MILLION FOR THE REAL ESTATE INCREASE, WHICH WASN'T A SIGNIFICANT INCREASE BASED UPON A TOTAL, UM, TOTAL BUDGET THAT THE BIG INCREASE REALLY DID COME FROM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES. 
          SO RATHER THAN THE REAL ESTATE, LIKE AS I STATED BEFORE, AND I APOLOGIZE, I'M A LITTLE, A LITTLE NERVOUS. 
          SO IT WAS THE 5 MILLION COMING FROM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY AND WE DID INCREASE, UH, THE BUDGET OF THE PENALTIES AND INTEREST BECAUSE WE'RE DOING A BETTER JOB OF COLLECTING PENALTIES AND INTEREST. 
          SO THAT INCREASED, UH, $705,000. 
          SO ON TOP OF THAT, WITH THE CIGARETTE SALES TAX, YOU HAVE A TOTAL OF THE 6.9 MILLION INCREASE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          SHE ANSWERED AT THAT TIME, . 
          OKAY. 
          UM, ANYTHING ELSE I CAN ANSWER FOR YOU? ? 
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I DON'T HEAR ANY, SO THANK YOU. 
          SO WE'RE AT THE POINT I THINK THAT UNLESS ANYONE HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, WE'RE AT THE POINT 
          [A. Closed Session — Section 2.2-3711(A)(1) and (A)(5)]
OF THE CLOSED SESSION. 
          SO MR. CARTER, WOULD YOU LIKE YEAH, I'VE GOT, I THINK, YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          UH, I MOVE THE BOARD INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 37 11 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, OR RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER OF THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION. 
          I FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD, ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A FIVE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY. 
          IT WAS IN PART, YOU DON'T HAVE THE MOST RECENT ONE THAT I SENT TO ZACH YESTERDAY. 
          I THINK IT'S THE SAME ONE. 
          I, I SEE. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT WAS ON THE PACK. 
          OKAY. 
          I SEE. 
          WAS THE FIRST ONE. 
          OKAY. 
          FIRST ONE'S FINE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO YEAH, I SHOULD HAVE TOOK THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE. 
          UM, NOW FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD. 
          ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISION OF SECTION 2.23711, A FIVE, AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION CONCERNING A PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY OR EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY WHERE NO PREVIOUS ANNOUNCEMENT HAS BEEN MADE OF THE BUSINESSES OR INDUSTRY'S INTEREST IN LOCATING OR EXPANDING ITS FACILITIES IN THE COMMUNITY. 
          AND CONSULTATION WITH LEGAL COUNSEL REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE BY SUCH COUNSEL. 
          THE SUBJECT MATTERS ARE THE DISCUSSION OF PROSPECTIVE BUSINESS OR INDUSTRY, THE POSSIBLE DEVELOPMENT OF PROPERTIES LOCATED AT ZERO WINCHESTER ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP IDS 12 N DASH S DASH ONE 12 N DASH S TWO 12 N DASH S3, AND LEGAL ISSUES RELATED TO THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY OF WARREN VIRGINIA. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          DAMON AYE. 
          MR. HENRY AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN NOPE. 
          NOW WE ARE. 
          SO, MR. CARTER, WILL YOU READ US OUT A CLOSED SESSION AGAIN, PLEASE? I'LL TRY. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1, A ONE, AND A 29 OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT. 
          AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MAD CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          OKAY, BEFORE WE ADJOURN, I JUST, NEXT WEEK'S MEETING IS GONNA BE KIND OF JAM PACKED BECAUSE I, ONE REASON BECAUSE I HAVE INVITED OUR, UM, HIGH SCHOOL CHAMPIONS TO COME AND BE RECOGNIZED. 
          SO I THINK WE'RE GONNA HAVE, I DON'T HAVE AN EXACT HEAD COUNT, BUT, UM, BOYS AND GIRLS BASKETBALL FROM SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND THE WRESTLING TEAM. 
          SO, UM, IT'S GONNA BE A, A FUN NIGHT. 
          I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO RECOGNIZING ALL THOSE KIDS. 
          SO MOTION TO ADJOURN. 
          SO MOVED EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT. 
          AYE. 
          ANY OPPOSED? HAVE A SAFE TRIP HOME. 
          I.
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