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GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 7TH, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
AND, UM, MR. STEP, REVEREND STEP, I GUESS I SHOULD SAY, IF YOU WOULD LEAD US IN PRAYER, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE, LIVING IN A NATION WHERE, UM, WE HAVE THE ABILITY TO SPEAK INTO THE WAY WE'RE GOVERNED.
WE THANK YOU FOR HAVING A, UM, AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO COME TOGETHER HERE THIS AFTERNOON, AND TO HEAR THE, THE CARES AND THE CONCERNS, THE, THE PLANS AND, AND ALL OF THE, UH, DETAILS OF ALL THAT GOES ON IN OUR COUNTY.
AND SO WE PRAY FOR THESE MEN AND WOMEN IN FRONT OF US HERE TODAY, THAT YOU WOULD GIVE WISDOM, UH, DISCERNMENT, AND GIVE THEM A, UH, A KNOWING AND AN UNDERSTANDING OF, OF THE THINGS THAT ARE BEFORE THEM.
WE JUST PRAY THAT YOU'D HELP US TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF ALL THE BLESSINGS THAT, UH, YOU HAVE GIVEN TO US AND HOW YOU HAVE BLESSED US IN SUCH A TREMENDOUS WAY.
AND FATHER, BEFORE WE CLOSE, WE WOULD JUST LIKE TO LIFT UP OUR, OUR MEN AND WOMEN THAT SERVE FATHER, THOSE THAT SERVE HERE IN THIS COUNTY, AND THOSE THAT SERVE IN OUR, OUR COUNTRY AS WELL, ESPECIALLY THOSE IN, IN SERVICE RIGHT NOW.
AND SO WE ASK FOR, UH, YOUR BLESSING ON THIS TIME, AND WE JUST GIVE YOU ALL THE PRAISE AND ALL THE GLORY IN JESUS'S NAME.
[B. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]
ALL RIGHT.CALL THIS MEETING TO ORDER AND IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[D. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
THE AGENDA.UM, WE'RE GONNA REMOVE, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN, UM, THE NEW HIRES AND PROMOTIONS, AND I'D LIKE TO ADD THE VDOT REPORT TO THAT.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? UM, I'M, I CAN'T SEEM TO ACCESS IT RIGHT NOW, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO, UM, DELETE.
I WOULD LIKE TO DELETE THE CONSENT AGENDA NUMBER THREE, WHICH IS MODIFICATION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING POLICY AND PROCEDURES, UH, TWO GROUNDS.
ONE OF THEM IS, UH, IT WAS, I THINK OUR UNDERSTANDING OF THAT THE DAYTIME MEETINGS WERE GOING TO BE FOR ROUTINE, UH, I FORGET WHAT THE TERM WAS, UH, SHOPKEEPING OR HOUSEKEEPING ITEMS, I'M NOT SURE.
THAT'S SOMETHING I WOULD AGREE AS A HOUSEKEEPING ITEM.
ALSO BELIEVE THAT, UH, MR. STAN MEYER SHOULD HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE PRESENT, UH, FOR THAT OPTION.
WE USUALLY LEAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, UH, ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION OR WHATEVER.
UM, I'M JUST SUGGESTING, UH, YOU ASK FOR ANY ITEMS TO DELETE.
I'M, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE NOT SKIPPING, UM, REGULAR PROTOCOL ON DOING THAT.
WELL, IT IS AN ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WOULD THAT BE A, YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY LEAVE THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION AND THEN VOTE ON THEM, UH, INDIVIDUALLY.
I JUST, LIKE I SAID, I DON'T WANNA, UM, DO SOMETHING THAT IS NOT NORMAL PROCEDURALLY.
SO IS IS IT A PROBLEM? NO, I MEAN, IF THE MAJORITY OF THE BOARD WANTS TO TAKE ITEM I THREE MODIFICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING POLICY AND PROCEDURES OFF THIS MEETING, I MEAN, THAT WAS SUPERVISOR JAMESON'S MOTION, I BELIEVE.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE TO ASK FOR A, A SECOND TO THAT.
THE REMOVAL OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE INTRODUCTION, THE ADDITION OF THE VDOT REPORT, AND THE REMOVAL OF CONSENT AGENDA ITEM NUMBER THREE PROBABLY WOULD BE GOOD TO, TO HANDLE THOSE SEPARATELY.
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SO ON THE, OR MAYBE MY SUGGESTION MIGHT BE THE NON-CONTROVERSIAL ONES AND, AND MAYBE THE CHAIR WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADOPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED WITH THE DELETION OF ITEM C AND THE ADDITION OF A VDOT REPORT.WHO'S IDENTIFIED THEM AS CONTRA? ANY OF THEM AS CONTROVERSIAL? I'M NOT SURE THAT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED.
WELL, ONE CONTR CONTROVERSIAL, BUT IT'S INDICATED IT WOULDN'T BE GOOD FOR A DAY MEETING.
IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE FOR AN EVENING MEETING.
IT'S PROBABLY FAIR TO SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME SUPERVISORS WHO WOULD AGREE TO TAKE OFF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE INTRODUCTION AND ADD A VDOT REPORT.
AND THERE ARE SOME SUPERVISORS WOULD AGREE TO DO THAT, BUT WOULDN'T NECESSARILY AGREE TO TAKE OFF ITEM I THREE AND I DON'T KNOW THAT.
BUT YOU CAN DO IT HOWEVER YOU WANT TO.
SO LET ME, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADD VDOT TO THE REPORT AND REMOVE THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE? SO MOVED.
THE REMOVAL OF ITEM I THREE, IS THERE A MOTION TO REMOVE THAT MOVE? SECOND.
SECOND WILL CALL MR. HENDERSON.
SO WE CAN PUT THAT ON THE NEXT, UM, I GUESS IT WOULD BE WHAT, APRIL 22ND AGENDA.
ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL START WITH THE VDOT
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REPORT.MR. CARTER AFTERNOON BOARD MEMBERS, MADAM CHAIRMAN, UH,
I CAN YELL, BUT
I'LL JUST MENTION THE STREET NAMES AND WHAT WE DID ON THEM.
UH, WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF GRADING AND STONE APPLICATIONS ON ALL OF OUR DIRT ROADS, UH, SUER SPRINGS, FOSTER HOLLER, COHOR MILL ANDREWS, AND BUCK MILL, UH, PANHANDLE AND, UH, GAFI LODGE.
WE'RE GOING TO CONTINUE THAT THIS MONTH AS LONG AS THE WEATHER PERMITS.
UH, AND THEN WE'VE BEEN DOING SOME TREE TRIMMING ON 55 JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY AND THOMPSON HOLLOW ROAD, ROUTE 6 26 TOTTEN LANE AND ALSO ROCKLAND ROAD.
AND WE'RE GONNA CONTINUE THAT THIS MONTH ON FRIESLAND ROAD, ROBINSON ROAD.
WE'VE DONE POTHOLE REPAIRS ON, UH, REMOUNT ROAD 5 22 AND OREGON HOLLOW ROAD, AND ALSO ON, UH, VILLE ROAD.
WE'VE DONE SHOULDER REPAIRS ON SOUTH RIVER ROAD AND WE'VE GOT SOME SHOULDER REPAIRS THAT'S GOING ON THIS MONTH ON OREGON HOLLOW AND PANHANDLE ROAD.
AND WE'LL ALSO BE DOING SOME DITCHING OPERATIONS ON BROWNTOWN ROAD THIS COMING MONTH.
WE HAD A COUPLE OF SMALL WEATHER EVENTS THAT WE WERE HAD TO MOBILIZE FOR.
UH, BUT HOPEFULLY ALL THAT'S OVER NOW.
WE'RE BEGINNING TO DEMOBILIZE OUR SNOW REMOVAL EQUIPMENT AND CLEAN IT UP.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GETTING OUR MOBILE, UH, OUR, UH, MOWING EQUIPMENT READY FOR THE SEASON TO START BOARD CONCERNS, UH, WE SHOULD COMPLETE ROCKY HOLLOW ROAD NO LATER THAN THE 17TH OF THIS MONTH.
ONE THING OF NOTE WAS THE ESTIMATED COST IS GONNA RUN US, UH, WHEN IT'S FINALLY DONE BETWEEN 500, 600,000 BUCKS.
THAT COST WAS COVERED, UH, BY, UH, OUR CENTRAL OFFICE IN TERMS OF FLOOD REPAIR MONIES THAT CAME BACK TO US.
UNFORTUNATELY, WE HAVE A LOT OF FLOOD REPAIR IN OTHER COUNTIES THAT DIDN'T GET COVERED,
SO WE'RE SCHEDULED TO MEET WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND TRAFFIC ENGINEERING ON THOMPSON HOLLOW ROAD.
UH, THAT'S TOMORROW MORNING, UH, AT 10 O'CLOCK.
WE'RE GONNA LOOK AT THE CONTINUAL COMPLAINTS ABOUT THE PARKING SITUATION OUT THERE.
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AND THEN OF COURSE, THIS AFTERNOON DURING THE, THE, UH, WORK SESSION, WE'LL, WE'LL BE PRESENTING TO THE BOARD OUR, UH, NEXT SIX YEAR SECONDARY IMPROVEMENT PLAN.ARE THERE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER ITEMS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE ME TO LOOK AT? ANYONE? MR. HENRY? OH, I MEANT TO TAKE SOME PICTURES AND I FORGOT TO, IT'S THIS THING ON.
OH, STOKES IS AIRPORT ROAD AND LANG ROAD.
I'D HAD SOME CALLS FOR SOME, UH, SHOULDER ISSUES WHERE THE SHOULDER'S KIND OF WASHED AWAY THROUGH THE WINTER AND THE, YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF STRAIGHT EDGE AIRPORT ROAD AND WHICH ROAD STOKES IS AIRPORT ROAD AND LANG ROAD.
IT JUST KIND OF TURNS INTO LANG WHEN YOU GO AROUND THE CURVE THERE.
BUT THE, UH, THE, THE LOW SIDE THERE TOWARDS CREEK AIR, A COUPLE PLACES, THE, UH, IT, IT IS PROBABLY STRAIGHT OFF THE PAVEMENT.
I GUESS THERE'S NOT MUCH SHOULDER THERE ANYWAY.
I KNOW YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONLY GONNA COME OUT, BUT SO GOOD.
YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE OF THE TERRAIN THERE.
BUT IT, UH, I HAVE, UH, MR. ROBINSON, OUR SUPERINTENDENT HERE, HE'S WITH ME TODAY, SO HE'LL BE TAKING NOTES AND BEING SURE WE ADDRESS THESE THINGS.
UM, STILL, MY, MY ROUTINE QUESTION IS ABOUT THE STRIPING ON RELIANCE.
WE GOT SOME FEEDBACK THAT THE EQUIPMENT WAS DOWN.
MY, MY, UH, MARKING PEOPLE IN THE DISTRICT TELL ME IT'S ON THEIR SCHEDULE AND IT'S GOING TO GET DONE.
I THINK THE LAST EMAIL I SAW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE STRIPING EQUIPMENT WAS IN THE SHOP, SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
SO YEAH, WELL, IT'S SUPPOSEDLY BEEN FIXED NOW, AND SO THEY SHOULD BE OUT DOING THAT.
BUT, UH, IT IS ACTUALLY THE FIRST OR SECOND ITEM ON THEIR SCHEDULE TO GET DONE.
MR. CARTER, ANYTHING? UM, I'VE GOT A COUPLE OF THINGS.
UM, THE PIPE DOWN ON INDIAN HOLLOW THAT THE BACK ENTRANCE TO THE STATE PARK LAST YEAR, THE FLOOD WATERS KIND OF WASHED OUT A LITTLE BIT, UM, TOWARDS THE PAVEMENT OF INDIAN HOLLOW AND WASHED AND INTO THE ENTRANCE OF THE PIPE, SOME OF THE LARGE ROCKS.
AND JUST, UM, THEY'VE VOICED A CONCERN ABOUT IF THAT PLUGS THAT PIPE UP, THAT'S GONNA BE, UM, A HARDER CLEAN OUT THAN IF IT'S ADDRESSED NOW.
AND THAT REINFORCEMENT OF WHERE IT WASHED OUT TOWARDS THAT, I, I'M SORRY, WHICH, WHICH PIPE WAS THIS? THE, THE PIPE BEFORE YOU GET TO, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU GOING TO THE BRIDGE AT INDIAN HOLLOW? YEAH.
AND YOU TURN RIGHT TO GO UP, UM, TO THE BACK ENTRANCE OF THE STATE PARK.
IT'S THAT PIPE THAT GOES, UM, WHERE THE ROAD CHANGES.
I MEANT TO TAKE PICTURES TOO, BUT, AND I CAN DO THAT AND SEND THEM TO YOU LATER.
UM, THEN AT 2 88 BENTONVILLE ROAD, WE LOOKED AT THIS LAST SUMMER, THERE'S, UM, THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AT THE END OF THE SIDEWALK THERE THAT WAS WASHING OUT CAUSING A LOT OF THE PROBLEMS LAST YEAR.
AND THE RESIDENTS ARE WILLING TO BUY THE PIPE FOR VDOT TO PUT IN.
THEY JUST NEED, AND I THINK CHARLIE, UM, SAID THAT HE WOULD GET WITH THEM ON THE LENGTH AND THE SIZE OF THE PIPE NEEDED.
AND I KNOW HE IS BEEN BUSY AND JUST HADN'T BEEN ABLE TO DO THAT.
BUT IF, UM, IF SOMEBODY CAN, YOU KNOW, TELL THEM WHAT SIZE PIPE TO BUY THEIR, THEY WANNA GET THAT GOING AND THEY'RE WILLING TO TAKE OUT THAT FIRST SECTION OF SIDEWALK IN ORDER TO GET THAT THING FITTED IN THERE.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING ON MY LIST WAS THOMPSON HOLLOW.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BE UP THERE AT 10 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, THE OTHER THING WAS WHAT? THOMPSON HOLLOW ROAD.
THE CONTINUING SAGA OF, SO, UM, THE SIGNAGE, WHICH I KNOW HOW WE, WE, HOW WE BOTH FEEL ABOUT THAT, BUT I'M GLAD TO HEAR YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE.
SO I WILL, I'LL JUST MEET YOU UP THERE TOMORROW AND GIVE YOU WHAT HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME AS SUGGESTIONS OF MAKING THAT A BETTER SITUATION.
AND YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE YEAH, WE'RE, WE ARE RUNNING OUTTA OPTIONS.
AND, UH, AND I DON'T MEAN TO SOUND COARSE ABOUT THIS, BUT IT, IT IS NOT V DOT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE THE PARK SERVICE WITH THE PARKING AREA.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT GETTING, UH, YOU KNOW, ANY SUPPORT FROM THE OTHER SIDE IN
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TERMS, I MEAN, WE'RE LIMITED WITH THE RIGHT OF WAY.AND WE CANNOT BLOCK EMERGENCY EQUIPMENT AND WE CANNOT BLOCK PEOPLE'S ACCESSES TO THEIR HOUSE.
SO, NO, AND I, I APPRECIATE, I DON'T KNOW HOW, DON'T KNOW HOW FRUITFUL TOMORROW WILL BE.
NO, BUT, AND I DO APPRECIATE YOU'VE, BETWEEN VDOT AND THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, EVERYONE HAS, HAS WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY TOGETHER TO TRY TO MAKE THIS A BETTER SITUATION.
AND IT BOILS DOWN TO READING THE SIGNS AND OBEYING THE ROAD SIGNS.
AND THAT SEEMS TO BE A PROBLEM.
UM, I DON'T LIKE PEOPLE BEING TOWED.
I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT PEOPLE BEING TOWED.
AND, UM, NOW WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN THE ENFORCEMENT BUSINESS.
SO OUR, OUR SOLE PURPOSE IS TO KEEP THE ROAD DRIVABLE AND SAFE.
AND I THINK YOU, WE'VE ALL TRIED OUR BEST TO DO THAT.
SO I WILL SHOW YOU THE PICTURES OF THE SIGNAGE AND THINGS THAT WE'RE, WE'RE GIVEN TO ME.
UM, THE OTHER THING I HAD WAS I WAS ASKED BY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS ON JENNINGS LANE IF SOME GRAVEL COULD BE PUT DOWN.
AND I TOLD HIM THAT YOU WERE, UM, I SENT THAT MESSAGE THROUGH TO MR. ROBINSON AND HE SAID HE WAS EVALUATING ROADS.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S ALREADY BEEN DONE OR NOT, BUT I WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE SINCE YOU ARE DOING GRAVEL REPLACEMENT.
THAT THAT WAS, UM, THE ONE ROAD IN MY DISTRICT THAT I DID GET A CALL FROM THE RESIDENTS BACK WHEN IT WAS RAINY, THAT IT WAS GETTING REALLY SLOPPY AND HARD TO NAVIGATE.
AND I THINK THAT'S ALL OF MINE.
BUT ONCE AGAIN, DO APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU GUYS DO.
YOU, YOU HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH THE SMALL AMOUNT OF PEOPLE TO DO IT WITH AND DO APPRECIATE IT.
[E. Presentation - Davenport Public Finance ]
THE PRESENTATION FROM DAVENPORT.UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD.
I JUST WOULD LIKE TO INTRODUCE YOU TO BEN WILSON FROM DAVENPORT FINANCE.
HE'S SENDING OUT THE DEBT BOOK FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026, AND I'LL TURN THE PODIUM OVER TO YOU.
UH, AS ALYSSA MENTIONED, MY NAME IS BEN WILSON.
UM, I WORK WITH DAVENPORT AND COMPANY.
UH, WE'VE SERVED AS THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL ADVISOR FOR MANY YEARS.
UM, YOU MAY RECOGNIZE MY COLLEAGUE TED COLE.
HE WASN'T ABLE TO JOIN ME TODAY.
UM, BUT HE AND I HAVE WORKED CLOSELY ON THIS FOR THE PAST SIX OR SEVEN YEARS.
UM, SO I'M VERY FAMILIAR WITH ALL THIS INFORMATION AND HAPPY TO BE HERE TODAY.
UM, THIS BOOK THAT I JUST HANDED OUT HAS A LOT OF PAGES IN IT.
I'M NOT GONNA GO THROUGH IT IN DETAIL BECAUSE YOU DON'T THINK YOU NECESSARILY NEED ALL OF THAT.
UM, FOR TODAY, WE ARE NOT LOOKING FOR YOU TO TAKE ANY ACTIONS TODAY.
UM, JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF, OF DAVENPORT, THE, THE WORK WE DO AT THIS, THE COUNTY'S FINANCIAL STANDING AND THE DEBT THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW.
UM, SO UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THE FRONT END, I'M GONNA JUMP IN AND FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME IF, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY.
SO THE FIRST SECTION, UH, STARTING ON PAGE FOUR, JUST GOES THROUGH THE WORK THAT DAVENPORT DOES FOR LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
UM, AGAIN, WE, WE SORT OF HAVE TWO SIDES OF OUR, OF THE WORK WE DO.
THERE'S THE PLANNING WORK, WHICH IS, IF, YOU KNOW YOU HAVE A LARGE PROJECT COMING UP AND YOU'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT, UH, WE ARE OFTEN VERY INVOLVED WITH THAT PROCESS AND FIGURING OUT HOW TO FIT IT WITHIN YOUR BUDGET.
UM, AND THEN IF IT'S A LARGE PROJECT THAT REQUIRES A DEBT ISSUANCE, WE ASSIST WITH THE ISSUANCE ITSELF TO HELP YOU ENSURE YOU GET THE, THE, UH, BEST INTEREST RATE YOU CAN AND ALL, AND, UH, THAT IT'S DONE IN A WAY THAT THAT IS, UH, CONSISTENT WITH INDUSTRY STANDARDS.
SO, UM, THESE NEXT SEVERAL PAGES JUST GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE WORK WE'VE DONE HISTORICALLY WITH THE COUNTY AND THE TYPE OF WORK WE DO AND WHERE OUR FOOTPRINT IS, WHICH IS THE MID-ATLANTIC AND SOUTHEAST.
SO WE DO A LOT OF WORK IN VIRGINIA, MARYLAND, AND NORTH CAROLINA.
UM, BUT WE DO HAVE A PRESENCE IN OTHER STATES AS WELL.
UH, PAGE EIGHT IS REALLY JUST A LAUNDRY LIST OF ALL OF THE DIFFERENT TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WE COULD PROVIDE.
UM, AGAIN, NOT GONNA DIG IN ON THESE, BUT YOU CAN SEE THE, THE BIG PICTURE PLANNING INVESTMENTS, UH, CREDIT RATINGS, IF THOSE COME
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UP, TRANSACTIONAL SERVICES.UM, AND THEN WE DO GET INVOLVED PERIODICALLY WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS.
THE LAST PAGE OF THIS SECTION JUST GIVES YOU AN OVERVIEW OF ALL THE DIFFERENT CLIENTS WE'VE WORKED WITH IN VIRGINIA.
UM, THIS IS NOT AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST, BUT IT, IT DOES GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF, OF THE EXPERIENCE THAT WE HAVE WITH LOCAL GOVERNMENTS IN VIRGINIA.
ANY QUESTIONS ON DAVENPORT BEFORE I JUMP IN ON THE COUNTY? OKAY.
UH, WE GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERVIEW OF THE CREDIT RATINGS OF THE COUNTY.
UM, MOODY'S HAS IN THE PAST YEAR, WITHDRAWN THEIR RATING BECAUSE THE, THE AUDITS HAVE NOT BEEN COMPLETED FOR 2024 AND 2025.
UM, S AND P IS MOVING IN THAT SAME DIRECTION.
THEY JUST NEED MORE CURRENT INFORMATION IN ORDER TO KEEP THE RATINGS OUTSTANDING.
UM, FITCH DOES STILL HAVE THE RATING OUTSTANDING AND HAS NOT INDICATED SO FAR THAT THEY'RE PLANNING TO WITHDRAW YOUR RATINGS.
THIS DOES NOT HAVE A REAL IMPACT ON YOU IN YOUR DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS.
UM, IF YOU WERE TO TRY TO ISSUE DEBT, THERE ARE WAYS FOR YOU TO DO IT WITHOUT NEEDING A CREDIT RATING.
UM, BUT THERE STILL WOULD BE THE QUESTION OF WHEN THE AUDITS WILL, WILL BE AVAILABLE IF YOU DO WANT TO TRY AND ISSUE DEBT AT, AT ANY POINT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.
UM, CREDIT RATINGS ALLOW YOU TO ACCESS THE PUBLIC MARKETS, WHICH ESSENTIALLY IS JUST WHERE YOU ARE SELLING YOUR DEBT TO INDIVIDUAL INVESTORS.
SO ANYBODY COULD BUY A, A BOND THAT WAS ISSUED BY WARREN COUNTY.
UH, YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO ACCESS THOSE MARKETS WITHOUT YOU BEING THE ONE ISSUING THE DEBT, UH, THROUGH THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY AND THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY, WHICH ARE STATE PROGRAMS THAT ACCESS THOSE SAME MARKETS.
BUT THE STATE, YOU ACTS AS AN INTERMEDIARY AND YOU GET THE BENEFIT OF THE STATE'S CREDIT RATING HELPING YOU WITH THAT.
AND YOU HAVE USED THOSE PROGRAMS SEVERAL TIMES IN THE PAST.
UM, THE RIGHT SIDE OF THAT PAGE GIVES AN IDEA OF NATIONALLY HOW COUNTIES ARE RATED, AND, UH, AS WELL AS IN VIRGINIA WHERE THOSE RATINGS STAND WITH MOODY'S.
PAGE 12, UH, IS JUST A HIGH LEVEL OVERVIEW OF HOW THOSE RATING AGENCIES REVIEW, UH, LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WHEN THEY'RE PUTTING THOSE RATINGS TOGETHER.
UM, AGAIN, YOU DON'T NECESSARILY NEED A RATING AT THIS POINT, BUT THIS DOES GIVE YOU A GOOD IDEA OF WHAT LENDERS WOULD BE LOOKING AT AS WELL, IF YOU WERE TO GO AND GET A BANK LOAN OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, REALLY THEY'RE FOCUSED ON THE ECONOMY, WHAT YOUR FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE LOOKS LIKE HISTORICALLY.
UH, THE INSTITUTIONAL FRAMEWORK THAT MOODY'S IS REFERRING TO HERE IS JUST HOW THE GOVERNMENT IS STRUCTURED IN THE STATE THAT YOU'RE IN.
SO, VIRGINIA, YOU'RE A VIRGINIA COUNTY, YOU GET PRETTY GOOD CREDIT FOR THAT.
UM, AND THEN LEVERAGE IS THAT LAST CATEGORY.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT.
THEY'RE NOT JUST SAYING, OKAY, HOW MUCH DEBT DO YOU HAVE? OUTSTANDING.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW IS THE ECONOMY DOING IN THE COUNTY AND IN THE REGION.
THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW HAVE YOUR FINANCES LOOKED IN THE LAST SEVERAL YEARS, WHICH IS WHERE THE AUDIT COMES IN.
UM, AND YOU ALL DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE SHORT TERM CONTROL OVER MOST OF THE, OF OVER SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES.
THE ECONOMY YOU CAN AFFECT BY ENCOURAGING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OR GETTING JOBS BROUGHT TO THE COUNTY.
BUT THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN AFFECT IN PERHAPS ONE BUDGET CYCLE.
WHEREAS WITH FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE AND LEVERAGE, YOU COULD POTENTIALLY AFFECT HOW THOSE ARE VIEWED.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE, THE SHORT TERM AND LONG TERM CONTROL, THAT'S WHERE THAT COMES INTO PLAY.
S AND P HAS A FEW MORE CATEGORIES, BUT LOOKS AT IT PRETTY MUCH THE SAME WAY.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS GENERALLY HOW LENDERS, VIRGINIA RESOURCES, AUTHORITY, THIS IS HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT YOU IN SORT OF A HOLISTIC VIEW INSTEAD OF JUST FOCUSING ON MAYBE ONE THING.
THAT IS HOW MUCH DEBT DO YOU HAVE? OUTSTANDING.
THE NEXT SECTION WE LOOK A LITTLE BIT AT, UH, THE COUNTY'S, UH, FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE.
HISTORICALLY, I'M NOT GONNA BELABOR THESE POINTS.
UM, THIS SHOWS 2019 THROUGH 2023.
UH, THE TOP LEFT, YOU CAN SEE THE REVENUES COMPARED TO YOUR EXPENDITURES, UM, IN EACH OF THE LAST FOUR FISCAL COMPLETED FISCAL YEARS THAT THERE'S AN AUDIT AVAILABLE FOR, UH, YOUR REVENUES HAVE EXCEEDED YOUR EXPENDITURES, WHICH MEANS THAT YOU'RE BUDGETING CONSERVATIVELY, UM, AND THAT YOU, IT'S SUSTAINABLE GOING FORWARD.
UH, BOTTOM LEFT, WE'RE LOOKING AT FUND BALANCE.
SO THAT'S ESSENTIALLY YOUR RESERVES, HOW MUCH, UH, MONEY YOU HAVE SAVED.
UM, YOU CAN SEE IT, IT DIPPED A LITTLE BIT IN 2020, BUT HAS INCREASED SINCE THEN.
IN 2023, IT WAS ABOUT 21.1 MILLION OF FUND BALANCE.
PAGE 15, WE FOCUS A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THAT FUND BALANCE.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LINES HERE.
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I WILL FOCUS ON IS LINE 20, AND THAT IS YOUR POLICY.SO THE, THE COUNTY HAS A POLICY IN PLACE THAT SAYS THAT YOU WILL MAINTAIN, QUOTE UNQUOTE UNDESIGNATED RESERVES AS A PERCENT OF ADJUSTED EXPENDITURES OF NO LESS THAN 15%.
SO ESSENTIALLY YOUR BUDGET, YOU NEED TO KEEP AT LEAST 15% OF YOUR BUDGET IN YOUR FUND BALANCE.
UM, THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT ARE CAPTURED IN THAT UNDESIGNATED RESERVES, UH, CATEGORY THAT, THAT IS USED FOR THAT POLICY, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON LINE 17 AND 18 HOW THOSE SHOW UP IN THE AUDIT.
UM, AND YET IN 2023, YOU WERE AT ABOUT 16.6%.
AND AGAIN, THAT POLICY IS 15%.
SO YOU WERE SLIGHTLY ABOVE THAT POLICY IN 2023 AS 2024.
AND EVENTUALLY 2025 INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE, UH, THAT, THAT WILL BE SOMETHING TO KEEP AN EYE ON HOW THAT EVOLVES WITH, WITH THOSE, UH, AUDITED RESULTS.
UM, BOTTOM RIGHT, WE SHOW A COMPARISON OF THE COUNTY TO NATIONAL AND VIRGINIA MEDIANS.
I SAY YOU'RE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH, WITH BOTH OF THOSE, WITH THE AMOUNT OF RESERVES YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ON FINANCIAL PERFORMANCE BEFORE I JUMP INTO DEBT? I KNOW I'M SORT OF BREEZING THROUGH THIS, BUT I THINK A LOT OF YOU HAVE SEEN IT BEFORE.
AND, UM, HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS ON THE BACK END TOO.
IF, IF ANYTHING COMES UP, SIR, JUST ON THE FUN BALANCE, UHHUH
AND I GUESS ALWAYS WAS CURIOUS.
WE GOT, I JUST GOT A NUMBER, THE COUNTY TOTAL BUDGET'S LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION, LET'S SAY.
BUT A GOOD PORTION OF THAT IS BASICALLY COMING FROM THE STATE AND THE FEDS FOR SCHOOLS.
SO DOES THAT COUNT IN THE TOTAL BUDGET? SO, SO WHAT'S THE 15% UP? THE 15% IS OF EXPENDITURES.
SO IT BASICALLY, IT IS INCLUDED, THE PART THAT COMES FROM THE, THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT IS INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER BECAUSE YOU'RE USING THAT FOR THOSE EXPENDITURES.
BUT WE ARE CAPTURING IT ON THE EXPENDITURE SIDE BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE THAT FUNDING, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOME WAY TO, TO MAKE UP FOR IT.
SO YES, IT DOES INCLUDE THE AMOUNTS THAT YOU TECHNICALLY GET FROM THE FEDERAL AND STATE GOVERNMENTS.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 15% OF UNRESTRICTED, YOU SAID, BECAUSE I, I GUESS AT LEAST IT USED TO BE WE HAD RESTRICTED, WHICH WAS TO GO FOR MAYBE UPCOMING DEBT SERVICE.
UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS OR WHATEVER.
BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP 15% UNRESTRICTED.
SO YES, THERE, THE, THE POLICY CALLS THEM UNDESIGNATED RESERVES.
THEY'RE CALLED DIFFERENT THINGS IN THE AUDIT THEMSELVES.
UM, IF YOU LOOK BACK ON PAGE 15, YOU CAN SEE STARTING ON LINE NINE THE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES THAT ARE IN THE GENERAL FUND OF YOUR FUND BALANCE.
THERE'S ON LINE 10, A NONS SPENDABLE PORTION, A RESTRICTED PORTION ON LINE 11, WHICH WAS SIX OR 7 MILLION BACK IN 2019, BUT HAS BEEN SPENT DOWN.
AND THEN LINE 12 IS UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE.
THAT MAKES UP MOST OF WHAT YOUR POLICY IS, IS COMPOSED OF.
THERE'S ANOTHER FUND OUTSIDE OF THE GENERAL FUND THAT KEEPS THESE PERMANENT RESERVES, WHICH ARE ONLINE 18.
AND THAT'S, UH, MADE UP OF THE COUNTY'S SPECIAL PROJECTS FUND, WHICH I THINK THAT MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT DOWN AFTER 2023.
IT'S BEEN REASSIGNED, BEEN REASSIGNED.
SO, UM, YES, I THINK FOR YOUR PURPOSES, THE UNASSIGNED FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL FUND IS, IS WHAT YOU SHOULD BE FOCUSING ON AS THE 15% THAT YOU NEED TO MAINTAIN.
THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE POLICY IS TO, AS A CASH FLOW BUFFER.
JUST TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE NEVER GOING LESS THAN ZERO.
AND THROUGHOUT THE, THE CYCLE.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME LOCAL GOVERNMENTS THAT MAINTAIN A LOWER FUND BALANCE AND THEY HAVE TO BORROW TO MAKE THEIR PAYROLL BECAUSE OF HOW, UM, THEIR, THEIR REV, THEIR MAIN REVENUE SOURCES ONLY COME IN ONCE OR TWICE A YEAR WITH PROPERTY TAXES.
UM, AND THEY GET INTO A HOLE IN THE PARTS OF THE YEAR WHERE THEY'RE NOT COLLECTING THOSE TAXES.
AND THIS POLICY IS INTENDED TO PREVENT YOU FROM GETTING TO A POINT WHERE YOU HAVE TO BORROW TO JUST MAINTAIN OPERATIONS.
SO THE, SO THE, AGAIN, THE OBJECTIVE IS TO, TO BASICALLY YOU CAN LOOK AT A LOT OF THE PAST YEARS OF CASH FLOW, CASH DRAW DOWN, UH, YOU KNOW, NET, BASICALLY NET MM-HMM
'CAUSE THERE'S ALWAYS MONEY BEING SPENT AND SOMETIMES THERE'S MORE COMING IN AND SOMETIMES, YEP.
BUT, BUT THE POINT IS WE MAY HAVE A POLICY, BUT WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THAT POLICY IN TERMS OF WHETHER IT MEETS OUR GOALS OF PROTECTING US FROM EVER
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GOING BELOW ZERO.YEAH, NO, THAT, AND SO, SO JUST NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT NO, YOU'RE FINE.
UM, THE APPROPRIATENESS OF THAT POLICY IS ALWAYS SOMETHING WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT, RIGHT? SO IF WE HAVE SOLID DATA ON WHAT OUR, WHAT OUR PATTERNS ARE FOR UPS AND DOWNS AND EVERYTHING, UM, THEN WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD PRIMARILY FOCUS ON ARE WE, ARE WE EVER GONNA BE AT RISK BASED ON ALL THE INFORMATION WE HAVE IN THE PAST VERSUS, UH, YOU KNOW, HOLDING POTENTIALLY A LOT OF CAPITAL, UH, THAT'S NOT SERVING THAT PURPOSE.
DOES THAT SOUND FAIR? YEAH, NO, I, I DEFINITELY THINK IT, IT SHOULD BE SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE REVISITED.
I MEAN, IT WAS INTENTIONALLY SET UP AS A PERCENTAGE BECAUSE YOUR BUDGET TYPICALLY GROWS FROM YEAR TO YEAR.
UM, AND AS YOUR BUDGET GROWS, YOU GENERALLY ARE GOING TO NEED MORE CASH IN THE BANK IN ORDER TO FUND THOSE OPERATIONS.
UM, BUT IT'S DEFINITELY SOMETHING THAT IS WORTH REVISITING PERIODICALLY TO ENSURE THAT YOU'RE NOT HOLDING MORE THAN YOU NEED TO, OR THE OTHER WAY YOU MAY NOT BE HOLDING ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT, NOT REALLY SURE JUST FROM THE AUDIT, WHICH IS SHOWING A POINT IN TIME, THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR.
SO THE OTHER THING TOO, AND I THINK, UM, I THINK IT WAS 2004 OR WHATEVER, MR. COLE AND MYSELF AND, UH, THE ADMINISTRATOR, MR. STANLEY AND MR. TRACY, WE WENT UP TO NEW YORK AND WE WENT STANDARD REPORTS, FITCH AND MOODY'S.
UH, AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE WENT WITH THE 15%, OF COURSE WE DON'T HAVE IT NOW, BUT THAT HELPED STRENGTHEN THEIR BOND RATING AND THAT'S WHAT WAS REALLY IMPORTANT AND THAT'S WHY WE ARRIVED AT THE 15% AS FAR AS THE BOARD'S FISCAL POLICY.
DOES THAT SOUND ABOUT RIGHT? YEAH.
SO THERE'S SORT OF TWO ELEMENTS TO THAT THESE DAYS.
THE, THE RATING AGENCIES HAVE A, A VERY STATISTICAL VIEW OF YOUR FINANCIALS, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE OTHER FACTORS THAT THEY LOOK AT.
SO THE 15% IS GREAT BECAUSE THEY DO JUST LOOK AT YOUR FUND BALANCE AND THEY DO THEIR OWN CALCULATION.
THEY MIGHT COMPARE IT TO JUST THE GENERAL FUND, OR THEY MAY PULL IN ALL OF THE DIFFERENT FUNDS THAT YOU HAVE.
THEY, THEY LOOK AT IT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY.
SO THEM, THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY GONNA SAY YOU NEED TO HAVE 15% BECAUSE THEY ALL CALCULATE IT A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENTLY.
BUT THE 15% IS VERY GOOD IN THE SENSE THAT YOU ARE TELLING THE RATING AGENCIES THAT WE ARE PAYING ATTENTION TO THIS AND WE HAVE A POLICY IN PLACE TO ENSURE THAT WE MAINTAIN A CERTAIN LEVEL OF FUND BALANCE.
AND THEY VIEW THAT VERY FAVORABLY.
UM, AND AGAIN, I THINK OVER THE PAST 20 YEARS OR SO, THEY'VE BECOME MUCH MORE QUANTITATIVE IN THEIR ANALYSIS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS.
UM, AND THEY'VE FOCUSED A LITTLE BIT LESS ON THE QUALITATIVE SIDE OF, ALRIGHT, ARE THERE POLICIES IN PLACE? WHAT ARE THE, WHAT SORT OF PROCEDURES DO YOU HAVE FOR THIS SORT OF THING.
BUT, BUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE POLICIES IN PLACE WOULD DEFINITELY BE VIEWED FAVORABLY.
I DON'T WANNA JUMP AHEAD, BUT LIKE YOU MENTIONED, AND I KNOW WE'VE LOST ONE RATING, ANOTHER ONE'S SHAKY OR WHATEVER, ONCE WE GET THE AUDITS IN PLACE AND THEY'RE APPROVED AND EVERYTHING'S FINE, WHAT, AND THERE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS SOMETHING YOU MAY HAVE GOT, GET, GET, GET INTO WHATEVER, WHAT WOULD BE THE PROCESS IN ORDER FOR US TO GET THOSE RATINGS BACK? DO WE NEED TO HAVE DAVENPORT KIND OF HELP US OUT OR DO THE, UH, RATING AGENCIES REEVALUATE ON THEIR OWN? SO THE RATING AGENCIES ARE NOT GOING TO JUST BRING YOUR RATING BACK WITHOUT YOU BEING THE ONE TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A RATING.
UM, SO IF, IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO GET THOSE RATINGS BACK ONCE THE AUDITS ARE CAUGHT UP, UM, WE, WE DO THIS ALL THE TIME WITH OTHER CLIENTS AS WELL.
JUST WE COORDINATE INTERACTIONS WITH THE RATING AGENCIES.
WE HELP PREPARE MATERIALS THAT YOU ALL CAN PRESENT TO THE RATING AGENCIES TO SHOW, UH, REALLY HIGHLIGHT THE COUNTY AND, UM, HELP FACILITATE THE CONVERSATION WITH THE RATING AGENCIES SO THAT THEY HAVE A FULL UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE COUNTY AND, UM, ALL THE, THE POSITIVE THINGS THAT, THAT SHOULD BE HIGHLIGHTED FOR THEM.
SO YES, WHEN THE, WHEN THE AUDITS ARE CAUGHT UP, IF YOU DID WANT TO GET YOUR RATING BACK RATINGS BACK, IT WOULD REQUIRE ESSENTIALLY MEETING WITH THE RATING AGENCIES AND THEM DOING AN ANALYSIS THERE.
IS THERE, IT WOULD BE A COST INVOLVED ON THE RATING AGENCY SIDE.
UM, THEY, THEY WILL MAINTAIN A RATING EVEN IF YOU'RE NOT GOING FOR A SPECIFIC BOND ISSUANCE.
MOST OF THE TIME RATINGS ARE RELATED TO A SPECIFIC BOND ISSUANCE, AND THAT'S WHY YOU GOT THE RATING DONE ALL THOSE YEARS AGO.
UM, SO IF YOU JUST WANTED TO HAVE THE RATING BACK, YOU CAN DO THAT AS WELL.
IT'S JUST A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT PROCESS, BUT THERE IS A FEE INVOLVED AND THERE MAY BE AN ANNUAL FEE TO KEEP THAT OUT, KEEP THAT RATING OUTSTANDING.
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RELATED TO IT.AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THIS ALREADY, BUT YOU SAID THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES AS FAR AS IF IT CAME DOWN AND I THINK YOU SAID VR.
YEAH, SO, SO IF, IF YOU DID NOT FEEL THE NEED TO GO BACK TO THE PUBLIC MARKETS TO GET ISSUE YOUR DEBT, UM, THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES FOR YOU TO ACCESS THAT, THOSE MARKETS.
UM, VIRGINIA GIVES YOU A GREAT OPPORTUNITY THROUGH THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A, A PROGRAM WHERE THEY ISSUE DEBT IN THE PUBLIC MARKETS.
THEY GO GET RATED AND THEY TURN AROUND AND LEND YOU THE MONEY.
UM, AND YOU JUST GET THE BENEFIT OF THOSE INTEREST RATES, UM, THAT, THAT PROGRAM IS FOR PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING EXCEPT SCHOOLS.
AND THEN VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY IS BASICALLY THE SAME PROGRAM, BUT IT'S JUST FOR SCHOOLS.
THEY'RE, THEY DON'T FUND NON-SCHOOL THINGS.
AND HOW ARE THEY, AS FAR AS COMPETITIVENESS WITH THE FREE MARKET OR WHATEVER, IT, IT WOULD BE VERY COMPARABLE.
THERE, THEY, THERE ARE SOME COSTS INVOLVED WITH VRA AND VPSA, LIKE THEY WILL CHARGE YOU SOME UPFRONT COSTS THAT GET ROLLED INTO THE FINANCING.
UM, AND THEN THEY ALSO HAVE ANNUAL FEES THAT ARE, THAT GET ADDED TO THE INTEREST RATE OF WHAT YOU WOULD GET IN THE PUBLIC MARKETS.
AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE OFTEN DO IS DO A COMPARISON AND SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WARREN COUNTY WENT OUT AND ISSUED THIS DEBT ON THEIR OWN.
HERE'S WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF THEY DECIDED TO GO THROUGH THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY.
WE ARE, WE'RE VERY GOOD AT ESTIMATING WHAT THOSE INTEREST RATES LOOK LIKE.
UM, WE HAVE ACCESS TO SOME VERY SMART PEOPLE IN THAT MARKET THAT CAN HELP US FIGURE OUT WHAT THOSE INTEREST RATES WOULD LOOK LIKE.
AND WE'D BE ABLE TO DO THAT COMPARISON WHEN THE TIME COMES AND YOU KNOW, WHAT PROJECT YOU'RE TRYING TO FUND.
SO THE NEXT SECTION, STARTING ON PAGE 17, UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DEBT THAT THE COUNTY HAS OUTSTANDING.
UM, SO THE COUNTY AS OF THE END OF 2025 HAS ABOUT $98 MILLION OF PRINCIPAL OUTSTANDING.
UM, ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE PAGE, YOU CAN SEE HOW THAT IS GOING TO BE PAID BACK OVER THE NEXT 18 YEARS OR SO.
UM, IT'S AT ABOUT $9 MILLION A YEAR FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
AND THEN IT STEPS DOWN IN THE PRINCIPAL COLUMN.
AND THEN THE INTEREST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE PRINCIPAL PRINCIPAL PAYMENTS IS THE SECOND COLUMN THERE.
AND THEN YOU, WE ARE SHOWING THE TOTAL.
SO OVERALL YOU HAVE $98.3 MILLION OF DEBT OUTSTANDING.
UM, AND OVER THE COURSE OF THE NEXT 18 YEARS, YOU WILL PAY 117 MILLION TO PAY OFF THAT DEBT, ASSUMING THAT NO REFINANCINGS HAPPEN OR YOU DON'T PAY OFF ANY OF THAT DEBT EARLY.
UM, WE KNOW WHAT ALL OF THESE PAYMENTS ARE.
WE'VE DONE A LOT OF WORK WITH YOUR FINANCE STAFF TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE ABOUT WHAT THESE DEBT PAYMENTS ARE.
AND THERE'S ACTUALLY A LOT OF INFORMATION IN THE APPENDIX ABOUT THE SPECIFIC LOANS THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING.
SO AGAIN, WE KNOW WHAT ALL THESE PAYMENTS ARE GOING TO BE UNLESS YOU ALL DO SOMETHING SUCH AS A REFINANCING OR YOU PAY SOMETHING OFF EARLY, IF YOU HAVE CASH ON HAND TO DO SO, THEN THESE PAYMENTS ARE GONNA BE WHAT WE'RE SHOWING HERE GOING FORWARD.
UM, ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THAT PAGE, WE'RE SHOWING, UH, ONE OF THE RATIOS THAT I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT ON THE NEXT FEW PAGES IS THE 10 YEAR PAYOUT RATIO THAT IS LOOKING AT HOW MUCH PRINCIPLE ARE YOU PAYING BACK IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS.
SO, UM, FOR 2026 WE'RE SAYING, ALL RIGHT, OF THE 98 MILLION OF PRINCIPLE THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING, HOW MUCH IS GOING TO BE REPAID BETWEEN 2026 AND 2035, AND THAT PERCENTAGE IS 80%.
SO WHEN YOU GET 10 YEARS FROM NOW, IF YOU ISSUE NO MORE DEBT AND YOU MAKE THESE PAYMENTS AS THEY STAND, YOU WILL HAVE PAID OFF 80% OF YOUR DEBT WITHIN 10 YEARS.
AND YOU CAN SEE THAT ONCE YOU GET WITHIN THAT 10, THE END OF THE 10 YEAR PERIOD, UH, YOU GET UP TO THAT A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LESS THAN 10 YEARS OUTSTANDING ON THE DEBT THAT YOU HAVE OUT THERE RIGHT NOW.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IT'S JUST A, IT'S JUST A, A KIND OF A, MAYBE IT'S A PHILOSOPHICAL QUESTION.
IS THAT, IS, IS OUR BAR CHART TYPICAL? WELL, IT'S NOT TYPICAL.
'CAUSE I CAN SEE IT'S, THERE'S A BAND THAT SAYS TYPICAL POLICY MINIMUM, SO OH, OKAY.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING, OUR SCHEDULE LOOKS AGGRESSIVE.
I JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING IT, BUT IT YET IT'S, BUT IT'S ALL BAKED IN.
SO EVERYTHING HAS A DATE AND SCHEDULE AND EVERYTHING.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT PAGE 18, TOP LEFT MM-HMM
RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT'S THAT 10 YEAR PAYOUT RATIO THAT'S AT ABOUT 80% RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND TYPICAL IS MAYBE 50 TO 60.
IS GENERALLY WHAT THAT POLICY, AND THAT WOULD BE A MINIMUM THAT, THAT WOULDN'T BE A TARGET PER SE.
LIKE YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO KEEP IT AT 55% OR WHATEVER GOING FORWARD.
UM, THAT POLICY IS, IS LESS FOCUSED ON THESE DAYS THAN OTHERS.
I MEAN, YOU DON'T EVEN HAVE A POLICY FOR THAT, BUT OTHERS DO HAVE POLICIES FOR THOSE.
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DOES IT JUST INDICATE SHORTER TERM LOANS? IT GENERALLY, IT'S JUST HOW FAST ARE YOU PAYING IT BACK? I MEAN, SOME PLACES HAVE A MUCH LOWER PERCENTAGE, BUT THEY MAY HAVE JUST ISSUED FOR A NEW HIGH SCHOOL LAST YEAR, WHEREAS Y'ALL ISSUED 10 OR 15 YEARS AGO.BUT WE STILL HAVE VERY HIGH PERCENTAGE.
BUT A HIGH PERCENTAGE IS GOOD IN THIS CASE.
IT IS IN THIS CASE, A HIGH PERCENTAGE IS GOOD BECAUSE THAT MEANS YOU'RE PAYING IT A BACK SOONER.
WHICH MEANS YOU POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE MORE CAPACITY TO FUND OTHER PROJECTS AT A FUTURE TIME.
BUT FROM A CASHFLOW POINT OF VIEW, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE, IT IS FA I MEAN, YEAH, IT IS FRONT LOADED AT THIS POINT.
BUT, BUT AGAIN, UH, MOST, A LOT OF THIS DEBT WAS ISSUED 15 OR 20 YEARS AGO MM-HMM
WHICH IS WHY IT'S ALL GETTING PAID OFF IN THE NEXT 10 YEARS BECAUSE OKAY, SO WE'RE GETTING TO THE END.
YEAH, YOU'RE GETTING TO THE END OF SOME OF THE LARGER, SO JUST LOOKING AT THE CHART, IT KIND OF MAKES IT LOOK LIKE THEY WERE SHORT TERM LOANS, BUT NO, THEY WERE LONG TERM.
IT'S JUST THAT THE CHART STARTS SHOWING EXACTLY AT 2026.
SO, SO YOU, WHEN, IF YOU WERE TO DIG BACK INTO THE APPENDIX AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE LARGER LOANS THAT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING, THEY ORIGINALLY BACK, UH, WHAT MR. CARTER MENTIONED BACK IN LIKE 2004 WAS A BIG, UH, ISSUANCE THAT YOU ALL HAD.
UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN REFINANCED A FEW TIMES.
SO YOU WON'T SEE IN HERE THAT THERE IS A 2004 ISSUANCE OUTSTANDING, BUT IT HAS BEEN REFINANCED IN LIKE 2014, WHICH IS ONE THAT WE'VE REFINANCED A FEW TIMES.
UM, SO IT'S, IT'S NOT IMMEDIATELY APPARENT, BUT YOU ARE ON THE BACK END OF SOME FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT FINANCINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE IN THE PAST.
AND, UM, IF I COULD, IF I DON'T ANYBODY ELSE JUMP IN, I DON'T MEAN TO, TO TAKE THE MIC, BUT, BUT, UM, ON THIS SAME, UM, PAGE ON THE, ON THE RIGHT TOP RIGHT MM-HMM
UH, GOING ALSO DOWN TO THE, TO THE BOTTOM RIGHT, UH, WE HAVE A POLICY OF DEBT TO ASSESS VALUE 5% AND WE'RE NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLOSE TO IT.
UM, BUT WE ARE PRETTY SIMILAR TO MOST VIRGINIA AA.
SO IS OUR POLICY JUST OUTDATED, LIKE NOBODY'S GONNA CARRY THAT 5% OR, OR, UM, WHAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN TO US? BASICALLY, THAT'S WHAT I'M NOT TRYING TO FIND OUT.
SO THE POLICY OF 5%, I WOULD SAY IS ON THE HIGHER END OF POLICIES WE WOULD SEE, SO IN THIS CASE, THE PERCENT YOU WANT TO BE A LOWER PERCENT.
BECAUSE THIS IS HOW MUCH DEBT YOU HAVE OUTSTANDING AS A PERCENT OF YOUR TAX BASE.
UM, I, AGAIN, I WOULD SAY THAT A A 5% POLICY IS ON THE HIGHER END.
SO AGAIN, IF YOU'RE REVISITING YOUR POLICIES, THAT IS SOMETHING YOU COULD TIGHTEN.
UM, MANY TIMES WE DO ANALYSIS THAT SHOW WHAT YOUR CAPACITY IS UNDER CERTAIN POLICIES.
UM, SO IF, IF YOU HAVE 98 MILLION OUTSTANDING RIGHT NOW AND YOUR POLICY IS 5%, YOU COULD ISSUE ANOTHER 400 MILLION OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND STILL BE WITHIN IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT.
IF THAT IS A NUMBER THAT IS UNTENABLE TO YOU, UM, WHICH IT'S, IT'S A VERY SIGNIFICANT NUMBER, THEN, THEN IT MIGHT MAKE SENSE TO TIGHTEN UP THAT POLICY.
NONE OF THESE POLICIES ARE RESTRICTIVE PER SE.
THEY, THEY ARE SET BY YOU, THEY ARE SELF RESTRICTED POLICIES, SO YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO FOLLOW THEM TO A T BUT THEY ARE GUIDELINES THAT ALLOW YOU TO SAY, ALL RIGHT, HOW MUCH DO I HAVE OUTSTANDING? HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THIS POLICY THAT WE SET BASED ON AN ANALYSES THAT AT THIS POINT WERE DONE MANY YEARS AGO? SO IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVISITED.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WANNA HIGHLIGHT IS THAT IF THESE WERE POLICIES THAT WERE JUST LAID IN 20 YEARS AGO THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT WHAT THEY'RE FOR.
AND AND ARE THEY SERVING US NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND I, I MEAN, I I, I WOULD SAY THAT ANYWHERE BETWEEN LIKE THREE AND 5% IS A PRETTY NORMAL POLICY FOR THAT, UM, THAT RATIO.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT, YOU'RE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH THE VIRGINIA MEDIANS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT VIRGINIA AND YOU ARE HIGHER THAN THE NATIONAL MEDIANS.
BUT THAT'S BECAUSE IN MOST STATES, COUNTIES DON'T HAVE TO ISSUE DEBT ON BEHALF OF SCHOOLS.
SO VIRGINIA, Y'ALL HAVE THE ADDITIONAL BURDEN OF HAVING TO ISSUE DEBT ON BEHALF OF SCHOOLS, AND AS A RESULT, YOUR DEBT BURDENS LOOK HIGHER COMPARATIVELY TO, TO NATIONALLY.
AND THE READING AGENCIES KNOW THAT.
SO THEY TAKE THAT INTO ACCOUNT WHEN THEY'RE DOING THEIR ANALYSIS.
I THINK WE'VE COVERED 18, 19 IS TWO MORE RATIOS THAT YOU DO HAVE POLICIES FOR.
UH, THE LEFT ONE IS DEBT SERVICE VERSUS EXPENDITURES.
SO THAT, THAT IS YOUR ANNUAL PRINCIPAL AND INTEREST PAYMENTS AS A PERCENT OF YOUR BUDGET.
UH, YOUR POLICY IS 12% AND YOU ARE AT ABOUT 8.5% IN FY 26.
UM, YOU CAN SEE ON, IN THE BOTTOM LEFT THERE, WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE COMPARED TO, UH, OTHERS.
AND AGAIN, YOU'RE VERY MUCH IN LINE WITH VIRGINIA MEDIANS AND IN THIS CASE NATIONAL MEDIANS AS WELL, BECAUSE THEIR BUDGETS ARE SMALLER BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE SCHOOLS.
SO THE, THIS COMPARISON IS A LITTLE BIT, UM,
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MORE RELEVANT THAN THE OTHERS FOR THE NATIONAL MEDIANS.UM, GOING BACK TO OUR CONVERSATION, I THINK 12% IS ACTUALLY A PRETTY FAIRLY CONSERVATIVE, UH, UM, POLICY FOR THIS ONE.
UH, GENERALLY WE'LL SEE SOME FOLKS DO GO DOWN TO 10%, UM, BUT OTHERS GO UP AS HIGH AS 18 OR 20% FOR THAT.
UM, WHICH AGAIN, IT'S YOUR PREFERENCE, WHAT WHAT MAKES SENSE FOR YOU ALL.
UM, THE 12% IS WHAT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR MANY YEARS AT THIS POINT, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT COULD BE REVISITED.
UM, AND THEN THE RIGHT SIDE IS HOW MUCH DEBT DO YOU HAVE AS OUTSTANDING AS A PERCENT OF PERSONAL INCOME, WHICH IS AN ECONOMIC METRIC, NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO YOUR BUDGET.
UM, BUT IT IS, OBVIOUSLY IT DOES HAVE AN EFFECT ON IT.
UM, AND Y'ALL ARE SITTING RIGHT AT ABOUT 4% AND THAT POLICY IS 12%.
THIS POLICY IS NOT ONE THAT IS VERY COMMON THESE DAYS.
UM, SO I DON'T HAVE A GOOD PERSPECTIVE ON WHAT A, WHAT AN APPROPRIATE LEVEL FOR THAT IS, BUT, UM, 12% IS OBVIOUSLY WHAT WAS LANDED ON WHEN THIS POLICY WAS PUT IN PLACE.
ANY LAST QUESTIONS ON DEBT BEFORE I HIT THIS CAPITAL PLANNING SECTION BRIEFLY? UM, THIS SECTION IS NOT REALLY SPECIFIC TO ANYTHING THAT YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
UM, IT'S JUST MEANT TO GIVE SOME PERSPECTIVE ON THE KIND OF WORK WE DO RELATED TO CAPITAL PLANNING.
PAGE 21 IS A, IS A SAMPLE DEBT AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS.
UM, THIS IS GENERALLY HOW WE APPROACH CAPITAL PLANNING.
IF YOU WERE TO COME AND SAY WE NEED TO DO A $10 MILLION PROJECT, UM, WE WOULD SET UP SOMETHING ALONG THESE LINES, THIS DEBT AFFORDABILITY ANALYSIS THAT LOOKS AT YOUR EXISTING DEBT SERVICE AND COLUMN D, WE WOULD LAYER IN THAT NEW PROJECT.
UM, AND THEN COLUMN G IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT, WHAT WOULD BE, WHAT YOU'RE ALREADY BUDGETING FOR DEBT SERVICE, UM, TO HELP YOU QUANTIFY WHAT THE EFFECT OF AN ADDITIONAL PROJECT OR ADDITIONAL DEBT WOULD LOOK LIKE ON YOUR BUDGET.
WE HAVEN'T REALLY DUG INTO THIS, BUT IF THERE IS IN THE FUTURE A DESIRE TO, TO LOOK AT SPECIFIC PROJECTS OR TO LOOK AT THE POLICIES IN GENERAL, THAT THIS IS SOMETHING WE TYPICALLY DO IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE POLICIES WHERE IF WE'RE SAYING, WELL, IF YOU'RE AT 5% AND YOU COULD ISSUE THIS MUCH ADDITIONAL DEBT UNDER THAT POLICY, HERE'S WHAT IT MEANS FROM A BUDGETARY PERSPECTIVE, THIS IS WHERE THIS WOULD GET COMBINED WITH, WITH THAT SORT OF ANALYSIS.
UM, AND THEN THE LAST FEW PAGES HERE ARE JUST ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANS AND FUNDING SOURCES.
UM, SO PAGE 22 JUST IS A, A, AGAIN, A SAMPLE OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IN LIKE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN.
UM, GENERALLY YOU WOULD WANT TO LOOK OUT A FEW YEARS SO THAT YOU KNOW WHAT LARGE PROJECTS YOU HAVE ON THE HORIZON.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE, WE DO THIS WITH A LOT OF CLIENTS WHERE WE HELP MODEL THAT UP TO SEE, ALL RIGHT, IF WE KNOW WE HAVE THIS PROJECT THIS YEAR AND WE HAVE ANOTHER PROJECT IN THREE YEARS, HOW IS, HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT OUR BUDGET IN THE LONG TERM? UM, THIS CIP CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN IS WHERE THAT WOULD START IS GETTING PROJECTS FROM DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS AND DETERMINING WHAT THE, WHAT YOUR PRIORITIES ARE.
AND WE, WE WOULD BE SETTING UP THESE, THIS MODEL TO HELP QUANTIFY WHAT THE, THE EFFECT ON THE BUDGET AND THE EFFECT ON THE POLICIES WOULD BE.
UH, PAGE 23 IS A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON SORT OF THAT CIP PROCESS.
UM, A LOT OF THIS IS DONE IN-HOUSE WHERE FOR YOU ALL WOULD DO IN-HOUSE OF DEVELOPING THAT CIP, BUT WE WOULD BE HERE TO ASSIST ALONG THE WAY IF, IF THERE WAS A DESIRE TO DO SO.
UM, WE WOULD PULL IN THIS AFFORDABILITY THAT WE, THAT I'VE MENTIONED, AS WELL AS REVIEWING THE POLICIES.
UM, COULD BE DONE AT THE SAME TIME, BUT THIS IS JUST SOME, SOME GENERIC INFORMATION ABOUT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING.
AND THEN PAGE 24 IS LOOKING AT POTENTIAL FINANCING OPTIONS.
SO THIS GOES BACK TO WHAT WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, UH, ON THE VIRGINIA RESOURCES AUTHORITY, VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY ARE THOSE TWO STATE PROGRAMS. THE TOP ONE ON THIS PAGE IS A DIRECT BANK LOAN THAT WOULD JUST BE WITH BETWEEN YOU AND A BANK, ESSENTIALLY A LOAN LIKE YOU WOULD GET A MORTGAGE OR SOMETHING OF THAT NATURE.
UM, AND THEN FURTHER DOWN ON THAT PAGE, THE PUBLIC SALE IS WHAT Y'ALL HAVE DONE IN THE PAST WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO INVESTORS AND SELLING BONDS.
YOU, THERE WILL BE AN INTERMEDIARY, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO BE DOING IT YOURSELVES, BUT, UM, ESSENTIALLY IT WOULD BE A, A BOND ISSUED BY WARREN COUNTY THAT COULD BE PURCHASED BY ANY INVESTOR, UM,
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THAT, THAT HAS THE WHEREWITHAL TO DO SO.UM, AND THEN THOSE TWO, TWO STATE PROGRAMS ARE ESSENTIALLY ACCESSING THOSE SAME MARKETS, BUT YOU'RE DOING IT THROUGH THE STATE AS AN INTERMEDIARY WITH SOME FEES ON TOP, UM, FOR THEIR, THEIR WORK ON THAT.
UM, THIS, THAT CAN BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CUMBERSOME PRO PROCESS, UM, BUT IT DOES ALLOW FOR A LONGER TERM AMORTIZATION IF, IF THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE ANNUAL PAYMENTS ON A 20 YEAR LOAN ARE TOO HIGH, USDA ALLOWS YOU TO GO OUT TO 30 OR 40 YEARS, UM, TO BRING THOSE PAYMENTS DOWN.
BUT OBVIOUSLY THERE WOULD BE ADDITIONAL INTEREST COSTS WITH DOING SO.
AND THEN THE LAST SECTION I'M, I'M NOT REALLY EVEN GONNA COVER, UM, BUT IT'S, I'LL GIVE YOU A BRIEF OVERVIEW.
SO WE'VE, THE 2014 BONDS WERE ISSUED BY THE COUNTY, UM, AND WE HAVE REFINANCED PIECES OF THEM IN THE PAST.
SO IN THE PAST, THE MARKET HAS BEEN FAVORABLE ENOUGH THAT WE COULD REFINANCE CERTAIN MATURITIES OF THOSE 2014 BONDS AND GET SAVINGS FOR YOU ALL.
UM, BUT THERE ARE STILL SOME MATURITIES OUTSTANDING.
UM, THEY OBVIOUSLY ARE THE MATURITIES THAT DO NOT PRODUCE AS MUCH SAVINGS.
SO THE, THEY REQUIRE A MUCH MORE FAVORABLE MARKET ENVIRONMENT FOR IT TO WORK.
AND YOU'LL SEE ON THE NEXT FEW PAGES THAT THE SAVINGS ARE NOT REALLY THERE RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THAT REQUIRES, IF YOU FLIP TO PAGE 28 ON THE FAR RIGHT OF THAT PAGE, UM, SHOWS THE MINIMUM THRESHOLD THAT WAS ADOPTED IN 2024.
IF YOU WERE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE REFINANCING, YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO SAY, I ONLY WANNA MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS IF WE ACHIEVE THIS LEVEL OF SAVINGS.
AND IN 2024 WHEN THIS WAS DONE, UM, THAT THRESHOLD WAS A PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS OF 4%.
UM, THE INDUSTRY STANDARD IS 3%.
Y'ALL CHOSE A SLIGHTLY HIGHER LEVEL AT 4%.
AND ON LINE SIX, YOU CAN SEE THAT WE WOULD NEED MARKET INTEREST RATES TO GO DOWN BY MORE THAN ONE WHOLE PERCENTAGE POINT FOR YOU TO MEET THAT 4% RIGHT NOW.
UM, AND THERE WOULD STILL BE SOME YEARS WITH NEGATIVE, UH, OR YEARS WHERE YOUR PAYMENTS WOULD ACTUALLY GO UP,
UM, SO THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE'RE SUGGESTING Y'ALL DO RIGHT NOW, BUT JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE ARE MONITORING REFINANCING OPPORTUNITIES FOR YOU.
UM, AND THIS, THERE, THERE ARE NOT ANY AT THE MOMENT THAT, THAT ARE ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE.
ALL RIGHT? AND THEN THE APPENDIX HAS THE DEBT THAT YOU HAVE.
IT ALSO HAS THOSE FINANCIAL POLICIES, UM, THAT WERE ADOPTED.
UM, JUST SO YOU HAVE A, A COPY OF THOSE TO READ THROUGH.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP THE COUNTY.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT YOU, WE CAN BE OF ASSISTANCE WITH, IF THERE IS A DESIRE TO REVISIT POLICIES, UM, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN DIG IN ON THAT WITH YOU ALL AND RUN SOME ANALYSES TO SHOW WHAT DIFFERENT LEVELS WOULD MEAN TO YOU, UM, SO THAT IT'S NOT JUST A, WELL, 5% SEEMS HIGH, MAYBE WE SHOULD DO 4%.
THERE'S SOME, UH, ADDITIONAL ANALYSIS BEHIND THAT.
UM, BUT YEAH, I, AGAIN, THAT FRONT SECTION GIVES YOU ALL THAT PERSPECTIVE ON THE TYPE OF WORK WE DO.
IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WE CAN BE AS OF ASSISTANCE WITH, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR.
AND I WILL SAY, I SHOULD HAVE SAID THIS BEFORE, WE, WE ARE A FIDUCIARY TO YOU ALL.
WE, WE ARE NOT HERE TO TRY TO SELL YOU SOMETHING.
WE GENERALLY ARE, OUR REGULATORS REQUIRE THAT WE ARE DOING STUFF TO HELP YOU ALL.
IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT THAT WE'RE JUST TRYING TO SELL YOU A PRODUCT OR SOMETHING.
ONE IS WHAT YOU JUST SAID, YOU'RE HERE TO HELP US.
THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE STANDARD LINE.
I'M FROM THE GOVERNMENT AND I'M HERE TO HELP.
SO, UH, AND, AND COULD YOU GIVE US SOME MORE NUMBERS PLEASE? THERE WEREN'T ENOUGH
AND THE TOTAL AMOUNT THAT INCLUDED ALL THE MONIES THAT WERE BORROWED, OR DOES THAT INCLUDE SOME OF THE REFINANCING MONIES TOO? COLUMN B YOU MEAN? YES.
YEAH, THAT'S THAT I, THAT INCLUDES SEVERAL REFINANCINGS.
BECAUSE I SO THAT NOT DIDN'T THINK, I DIDN'T THINK WE BORROWED THAT MUCH.
THAT THAT SORT OF, UH, YOU CAN SEE IN COLUMN C EVERYWHERE IT SAYS REF, THAT WAS A REFINANCING OF A PRIOR LOAN.
SO IT, IT, IT COMPOUNDS, RIGHT.
'CAUSE I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE ACCOMPLISHED A WHOLE LOT WITH BARN THAT MONEY.
AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF I READ THAT CORRECTLY, COLUMN E MM-HMM
THAT'S HOW MUCH WE SAVED BY REFINANCING PERIODICALLY.
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UP THERE.'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THEREFORE A WHILE MR. COLE WAS SHOWING UP LIKE EVERY SIX OR EIGHT MONTHS SAYING, HEY, BASIC POINTS WENT DOWN 25 50 MM-HMM
OBVIOUSLY WE HAD TO PAY A LITTLE BIT OF FEE TO YOUR COMPANY, BUT WE SAVED THAT MUCH OVER THE LONG HAUL.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL CONTINUE TOO, AND WE APPRECIATE IT.
AND I, I WILL SAY THAT I THINK THE PERIOD OF TIME THAT YOU'RE THINKING OF IS BACK AROUND COVID AND WE, WE JUST HAD INTEREST RATES THAT WERE SO LOW THAT YOU COULD REFINANCE SO MUCH THESE DAYS, INTEREST RATES ARE STILL FAVORABLE.
BUT LIKE, THEY'RE JUST, WE'VE REFINANCED EVERYTHING ESSENTIALLY THAT COULD BE REFINANCED.
AND NOW WE'RE AT A, A HISTORICALLY NORMAL LEVEL OF INTEREST RATES THAT IS HIGHER THAN IT WAS WHEN WE DID THESE REFINANCING.
SO THERE'S JUST NOT AN OPPORTUNITY.
I MEAN, PART OF IT TOO WAS, UH, PROBABLY 2008 YEAH.
I MEAN, THERE WERE, THERE, THERE WERE SEVERAL REFINANCINGS THAT HAPPENED BACK THEN AS WELL.
BUT THERE AGAIN, AND THEN YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT STAFF'S NOT CAPABLE.
IT'S MORE FOR, UH, STAFF TO KEEP UP WITH.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'VE GOT A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH DAVENPORT.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU.
[F. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)]
AT THE PUBLIC PO COMMENT PART AND THAT'S 60 MINUTES.YOU'D HAVE THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA OR ANYTHING ON YOUR MIND.
ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR SPELL FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION.
THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR SUPPORT FROM COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS.
PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED.
AND THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE, UH, INFORMATIONAL MATERIALS USED FOR FACTUAL PRESENTATION.
THERE WILL BE NO, UM, PERSONAL ATTACK TAX ON ANYONE AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THE GUIDELINES WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE.
UM, MR. HENDERSON, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP? UH, YES.
AND IF YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN.
THIS IS CHILD ABUSE PREVENTION MONTH.
SO I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT THIS BOOK, WHICH PROMOTES CHILD ABUSE.
THIS PICTURE BOOK IS FROM THE KIDS SECTION AT SAMUEL'S LIBRARY.
IT'S ABOUT A LITTLE BOY NAMED JAZZ JENNINGS, WHO CLAIMS HE'S A GIRL BECAUSE HIS FAVORITE COLOR IS PINK AND HE LIKES MERMAIDS.
SO WHAT HAPPENED TO JAZZ HIS MUNCHHAUSEN MOTHER? AND IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, LOOK IT UP.
FOUND A QUACK DOCTOR TO GO ALONG WITH HER SICK ABUSE OF HER SON.
GAVE HIM PUB PUBERTY BLOCKERS, PUMPED HIM WITH FEMALE SEX HORMONES, CHOPPED OFF HIS PENIS AND MADE A FAKE VAGINA IN ITS PLACE.
SINCE HIS PENIS NEVER DEVELOPED NORMALLY BECAUSE OF THE FAKE OF THE PUBERTY BLOCKERS, SKIN GRAFTS WERE TAKEN FROM VARIOUS OTHER PLACES ON HIS BODY TO MAKE THE FAKE VAGINA, WHICH DOES NOT FUNCTION AND HE CAN'T EVEN URINATE PROPERLY.
HE'S OBESELY OVERWEIGHT, SUFFERS FROM DEPRESSION, HAS NO SEXUAL DESIRE, AND WILL BE ON DRUGS FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE.
THIS IS CHILD ABUSE, WHICH IS WHAT THE T STANDS FOR IN THE ACKERMAN L-G-B-T-Q.
HIS MUNCHHAUSEN MOTHER GOT A CONTRACT FOR A REALITY TV SHOW SO THAT SHE COULD MAKE MONEY OFF HER SICK ABUSE.
AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO SEE FIRSTHAND HER PHYSICAL AND PSYCHOLOGICAL TORTURE OF HER SON.
FUTURE GENERATIONS WILL LOOK BACK AT OUR CULTURE AND ASK WHY, WHY DID PEOPLE, WHY DID SCHOOLS, WHY DID DOCTORS, WHY DID GOVERNMENTS ALLOW AND PROMOTE THIS SICK CHILD ABUSE? WHY IS THIS BOOK WHICH PROMOTES CHILD ABUSE IN SAMUELS? DO YOU EVEN CARE? A COUPLE OF INTERESTING THINGS HAVE COME TO LIGHT OVER THE LAST COUPLE, COUPLE OF YEARS.
ONE IS THAT SAMUELS IS ENTIRELY CAPABLE OF RAISING THEIR OWN MONEY.
CONTRARY TO THE DOOMSDAY SCENARIO PRESENTED, THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE OPERATING WITH NO PROBLEM.
IN FACT, IN THE LAST FISCAL YEAR, THEIR INVESTMENT FUND WENT FROM ABOUT 1 MILLION TO OVER 1.7 MILLION, AN INCREASE OF $700,000.
HOW CAN YOU JUSTIFY GIVING SAMUELS 1.2 MILLION WHEN THEY'RE SITTING ON OVER 1.7 MILLION? ARE YOU GOING TO RAISE TAXES TO GIVE ONE 2.2 MILLION TO A PRIVATE CORPORATION THAT IS CAPABLE OF RAISING ITS OWN MONEY? ANOTHER THING EXPOSED IS THE NATIVIST BIGOTRY AGAINST ANYONE WHO WAS NOT BORN AND RAISED IN WARREN COUNTY, OFTEN COMBINED WITH AN ANTI-CATHOLIC FLAVOR.
WE HAVE SEEN IT THINLY VEILED IN MRS. COLOR'S POLITICAL ACTION COMMITTEE, WHICH STATES AS ITS PURPOSE QUOTE,
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TO ADVOCATE FOR TRUE REPRESENTATION OF THE COMMUNITY OF WARREN COUNTY.WHAT EXACTLY DOES THAT MEAN, MRS. CU WE'VE SEEN IT OVERTLY IN MR. HENRY'S CAMPAIGN SPEECH THAT HE GAVE LAST MAY AT A SAMUEL EVENT IN VIOLATION OF IRS REGULATIONS IN WHICH HE STATED, QUOTE, OUR CURRENT BOARD HAS BEEN INFILTRATED BY A SMALL GROUP.
THEY HIDE BEHIND THE CATHOLIC FLAG, BUT THEY'RE NOT REALLY GOOD CATHOLICS.
AND THEN PROCEEDED TO NAME MR. JAMESON, MR. HENRY, WHO MADE YOU THE POPE.
WHERE WERE ALL YOU NATIVES AND BIG WIGS OF WARREN COUNTY WHEN YOUR FELLOW NATIVE BIG WIG WAS STEALING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WITH THE HELP OF THE THEN SHERIFF.
YOU WERE TRYING TO SHUT UP MY DAUGHTER AND ME FOR EXPOSING THE IT FEDERAL SCAM.
ELECTING JENNIFER MCDONALD, PRESIDENT OF ROTARY, CONGRATULATING HER ON HER ASTUTE GAMBLING SKILLS, COVERING UP HER FAKE BREAK-INS THAT LOCAL LAW LAW ENFORCEMENT KNEW WERE FALSE.
OUR CURRENT SHERIFF WAS EVEN A POLICE, POLICE DETECTIVE WHO INVESTIGATED THE FAKE BREAK-INS.
CONGRATULATIONS TO YOU THREE WITH THE HELP OF YOUR FRIENDS WHO THINK BOYS CAN BECOME GIRLS IN NOVEMBER.
WARREN COUNTY'S TRUE REPRESENTATION WILL BE FAIRFAX COUNTY.
MAY I SPEAK AFTER THE ITEM AGENDA? ITEM H IS ADDRESSED BY THE BOARD.
UH, YOU, YOU HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY NOW TO SPEAK TO THAT SIR AS WELL.
MY NAME IS ANDREW DUNHILL HYMAN.
I LIVE AT 2235 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD AND I'M A CONSTITUENT OF THE SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT.
MY WIFE AND I ARE BOTH COMMISSIONED OFFICERS IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY.
WE HAVE A COMBINED 41 YEARS OF ACTIVE DUTY SERVICE, HAVE SERVED IN THE NATIONAL GUARD AND ARMY RESERVE.
WE ALSO ARE RETIRED CIVIL SERVANTS.
SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT OUR AGGREGATE MILITARY AND CIVIL SERVANTS, WE REPRESENT 90 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THIS COUNTRY.
WHY DO I MENTION THAT? BECAUSE FROM MY VERY FIRST OATH I TOOK IN 1976, I SWORE TO UPHOLD AND DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO THIS VERY SIMPLE MATTER OF NAMING MY PRIVATE DRIVEWAY AS A PRIVATE ROAD IMPINGES UPON MY RIGHT OF ENJOYMENT OF MY PRIVATE PROPERTY.
WHEN THE COUNTY ISSUED THEIR BUILDING PERMIT ON THE 8TH OF FEBRUARY IN 2022, THEY DECIDED TO ADDRESS LOT 56 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD AS 2225 BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD.
IT WASN'T UNTIL AUGUST OF 2024 THAT I INADVERTENTLY BY LOOKING AT THE GIS SITE, SAW THAT THEY HAD PUT A NAME OF PENDING BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD ON THE PRIVATE DRIVEWAY.
I INQUIRED WITH YOUR PLANNING DEPARTMENT WHY THIS WAS, AND THEY SAID, OH, WE MADE A MISTAKE.
SO I ASKED, HOW DOES THIS GET ADDRESSED? THEY SAID, SUBMIT A ROBE NAMING APPLICATION, WHICH I DID UNDER PROTEST ON THE 28TH OF AUGUST, 2024.
SO THE COUNTY WAS MADE A MISTAKE.
I MET WITH YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND THE THEN CHAIR OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, MR. WENDLING.
AND I SAID, WHY IS IT THAT WE ARE BEING PENALIZED THE OWNERS AFFECTED BY THIS ROAD NAMING FOR THE COUNTY'S MISTAKE? WE DISCUSSED IT AND YOU SAID, SO THIS IS ABOUT MONEY.
WELL, HONESTLY, MADAM CHAIR, IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY, IT'S ABOUT PRINCIPLE.
THE PRICE OF PRINCIPLE IS OF ONE ENTITY.
A PUBLIC ENTITY MAKES A MISTAKE THAT IT'S PRIVATE CITIZENS SHOULD NOT BE PENALIZED FOR THAT MISTAKE.
I'VE POINTED OUT IN THE PRESENTATION THAT I PROVIDED TWICE TO THE BOARD, THAT I FELT THAT IMPOSITION OF THE ROAD NAMING WOULD IN FACT VIOLATE SEVERAL CIVIL RIGHTS UNDER THE FIFTH, SEVENTH, AND 14TH AMENDMENT OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
AND ARTICLE ONE, SECTION 11 OF OUR COMMONWEALTH'S CONSTITUTION.
IT MAY NOT APPEAR TO BE A BIG MATTER, AND IF I MAY CONCLUDE, BUT IT IS A MATTER OF PRINCIPLE, THE PRINCIPLE BEING THAT WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR OTHERS' MISTAKES.
THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND FELLOW BOARD MEMBERS.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO OUR COUNTRY.
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WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES, SIR.MY NAME IS AZAR BILL AND MY DEVOTED WIFE'S NAME IS SINI RUSSELL.
I AM 79 YEARS OLD AND MY WIFE IS SOCIAL SECURITY CERTIFIED AS A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED.
WE OWN OUR MODEST HOME OF 35 YEARS OLD HOUSE IN WARREN COUNTY OFF OF ROCKY LANE IN 2025, THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT FOR OUR PROPERTY WAS INCREASED BY ALMOST $110,000.
WE APPEALED THIS HORRIFIC AND DEVASTATING INCREASE TO CALLEN'S APPRAISAL SERVICE.
AND AFTER PROVIDING THEM WITH A LIST OF ESTIMATES FOR UPGRADING OUR HOME, THEY REDUCED OUR VALUE BY $28,000.
NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO OUR PROPERTY WERE REDUCED $50,000 FOR EACH HOME.
REMEMBER THIS NUMBER, $338,000.
THAT'S THE FINAL VALUE OF OUR HOME.
AFTER THE ASSESSMENT RELIEF FROM COWANS, FAST FORWARD TO THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
WE WERE TOLD THAT THE MEETING WAS BEING VERBALLY RECORDED.
I PROVIDED THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION WITH THE SAME LIST OF UPGRADES TO OUR HOUSE, AS WELL AS A SERIES OF PHOTOGRAPHS THAT SHOWED OUR HOUSE THE CONDITION IT'S IN AS WELL AS ADJOINING PROPERTIES.
CALLAN'S ASSESSMENT SAID ADJOINING PROPERTIES WOULD AFFECT THE REAL ESTATE ASSESSMENT OF OUR PROPERTY, BUT AMANDA SLATE SAID THEY HAVE NO APPLICA, THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH IT AT ALL.
SO THERE'S A CONTRADICTION RIGHT THERE.
AFTER THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION MET, THEY, THEY REDUCED OUR PROPERTY BY ZERO.
SEVEN MONTHS LATER, I ASKED FOR A COPY OF THE RECORDING OF THAT BOE MEETING.
ONE WEEK LATER I WAS PROVIDED WITH THIS.
THIS IS 19 PAGES OF WHAT WE WOULD CALL IN MY OLD WORLD GOBBLEDY G**K.
THEY THINK I'M MR. RUSSELL WHEN I'M REALLY MR. BILL.
AND IT SAYS HERE, MR. RUSSELL'S PROPERTY, THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT ME NOW.
REMEMBER THE NUMBER I GAVE YOU A MINUTE AGO, 338 SEVERAL YEARS AGO.
I ASKED THIS BOARD WHY MY WIFE AND I WERE BEING PUNISHED.
I ASK YOU AGAIN, WHY ARE WE BEING PUNISHED? YOU GUYS ARE IN CHARGE OF THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE AS WELL.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.
[G. Approval of Minutes]
THE AGENDA, THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES.ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, UM, CORRECTIONS, HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? MADAM CHAIR, MAKE A MOTION.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, MINUTES AS PRESENTED.
[H.1. New Road Naming Request for properties accessed off of Buck Mountain Road. - Cory Griffith, GIS Coordinator ]
BUSINESS IS THE NEW ROAD NAMING REQUEST FOR PROPERTIES ASSESSED OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD.MR. GRIFFITH, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING TO THIS? SURE.
SO IF YOU GIVE SOME BACKGROUND, UM, THIS WHOLE THING SORT OF STARTED IN 2022.
UM, THAT THERE'S A THIRD HOUSE THAT WAS BUILT OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD ON A PRIVATE EASEMENT.
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OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN AT THE TIME, UM, WHICH WAS NEVER FINISHED.UM, SO THEY NEVER ACQUIRED A CO MAKING THAT ADDRESS NOT A VALID ADDRESS.
UM, WHEN I TOOK OVER, UM, I WAS ASSESSING ADDRESSES THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY AND WHATNOT, AND THIS CAME TO MY ATTENTION THAT IT NEEDED TO BE NAMED A PRIVATE ROAD.
THE ADDRESS FOR THOSE TWO OTHER HOUSES IN THE THIRD HOUSE NEEDED TO BE CHANGED TO, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AS A NEW ROAD.
UM, I SENT OUT THE LETTERS, UH, THE OPPOSING RESIDENCE, THE OPPOSING RESIDENT, AND WHOEVER ELSE WAS ACCESSING THAT ROAD OR BEING A PART OF THAT ROAD WAS NOTIFIED, BROUGHT TO THE BOARD IN 24, WHICH WAS TABLED PENDING THAT THE THIRD BUILDING PERMIT, WHICH AT THE TIME WAS OWNED BY THE BANK, WOULD BE, UH, TRANSFERRED OWNERSHIP, YOU KNOW, WHEN IT CAME TIME.
'CAUSE THEY, THE BANK WAS ACTIVELY NOT BUILDING THAT HOUSE.
UM, AS OF THE LAST MEETING, I BELIEVE, WHAT WAS IT, MARCH 17TH, UM, IT WAS ONCE AGAIN TABLED, PENDING FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE OPPOSING RESIDENT, WHICH AFTER MEETING WITH THE OPPOSING RESIDENT, WE WERE ABLE TO STILL DETERMINE THAT HE WAS OPPOSED TO THE ROAD NAMING.
UM, BUT PER THE COUNTY CODE, UH, 1 42 DASH SIX, THE THIRD HOUSE TRIGGERS THE REVIEW FOR COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND I FOUND THE ROAD TO BE IN NON-COMPLIANCE, THUS NEEDING A NEW ROAD, A NEW, UH, A ROAD NAME, UM, BASED, BASED UPON THAT IT INTERSECTS WITH A NAMED ROADWAY AT A SIX DEGREE ANGLE.
UM, IT'S BASICALLY A T INTERSECTION WHERE THE MOUTH OF THE, THE PRIVATE ROAD, UH, HITS BUCK MOUNTAIN, THUS NEEDING A NEW ROAD NAME FROM WHAT I'VE DETERMINED FROM THE COUNTY CODE.
AND THE STATE GIVES LOCALITIES THE AUTHORITY TO NAME THE ROADWAYS WITHIN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
BUT I BELIEVE THAT IS ALL I HAVE FOR, FOR THIS.
AND THIS IS BASICALLY TO HELP IDENTIFY IN CASES OF EMERGENCY AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.
UH, THE ROAD NAMING SITUATION IS MAINLY FOR E NINE ONE RESPONSE.
UM, IT IS A FAIRLY RURAL COUNTY.
UM, SO THE ABILITY TO ROUTE EMERGENCY RESPONSE VEHICLES TO SPECIFIC AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTY IS KIND OF THE WHOLE REASON BEHIND THIS CODE SECTION.
AND CONSIDERING THAT THE PROPOSED, UH, JOCKEY HOLLOW LANE IS ABOUT FOUR TENTHS OF A MILE LONG IN WOODED AREA, UM, HAVING ROAD SIGNAGE FOR NIGHTTIME ROUTING AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE WOULD BE PROBABLY IDEAL, UM, FOR PROPERTY RESPONSE TIMES AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. GRIFFITH ON THIS? YES.
FOR THE NINE ONE LOCATION ON 37 60 OR 2 2 1 9, BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD APPEARS TO HAVE ITS OWN DRIVEWAY.
WILL IT BE FORCED TO CHANGE THE ADDRESS TO, OR CAN IT KEEP ITS EXISTING ADDRESS? 37 60 IS IDENTIFIED.
THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO KEEP THEIR OWN ADDRESS.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT IMPACTED BY THE ROAD NAMING AT ALL.
THE ACCESS JUST GOES THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY, WHICH IS WHY THAT PARCEL IS HIGHLIGHTED ON THE MAP, NOTIFYING THAT THEY DO HAVE ACCESS TO THAT EASEMENT IF THEY WOULD SO WANTED TO CHOOSE TO DO THAT.
BUT AT THE MOMENT, THEY ARE, THEY CAN KEEP THEIR BUCK MOUNTAIN ADDRESS CONSIDERING THE MOUTH OF THE DRIVEWAY ACCESSES BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD.
IS THE, WHAT IS THE MISTAKE THAT WAS REFERRED TO THE, UM, THE MISTAKE THAT WAS REFERRED TO WAS IN 2022.
UM, THE PREVIOUS GIS COORDINATOR AT THE TIME ADDRESSED THE THIRD HOUSE OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN.
UM, THE, I'M, IT WAS JUST NOT IDENTIFIED.
I GUESS THE CODE SECTION JUST SLIPPED THE MIND AND IT JUST WAS NEVER TRIGGERED.
IT WAS NEVER REVIEWED FOR COMPLIANCE OR NON-COMPLIANCE.
UM, AND SINCE THE HOUSE NEVER TECHNICALLY WAS FINISHED, UM, AND NEVER REQUIRED THE CO UH, THE ADDRESS TECHNICALLY ISN'T VALID AND WAS NEVER REALLY INPUT INTO THE E 9 1 1 SYSTEM.
SO THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THAT ADDRESS STILL STANDS CONSIDERING I WENT BACK THROUGH AND WAS ABLE TO REVIEW THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH THEN I DETERMINED IT TO BE NONCOMPLIANT.
THE SITUATION IS DIFFERENT NOW? NO.
BECAUSE OF THE THIRD HOUSE ACTUALLY BEING THIRD HOUSE, YES.
YES, THEY HAVE AMENDED THE BUILDING PERMIT, OWNERSHIP HAS TAKE, HAS TAKEN PLACE OF THAT BUILDING PERMIT AND THEY'RE ACTIVELY PURSUING AND BUILDING THAT HOUSE CURRENTLY.
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THAT LAST TIME THAT I, I BELIEVE, IF I RECOLLECT CORRECTLY, THERE WAS AN, UH, GONNA BE A, A REVIEW OF WHETHER IT WOULD BE POSSIBLE FOR THIS PARTICULAR APPLICANT'S LOT TO KEEP THE PRIOR ADDRESS.DID THAT OR TURN OUT TO BE NOT A FEASIBLE OPTION.
UM, IF, IF WE ALLOWED HIM THE, TO KEEP MAINTAIN HIS ADDRESS OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD, UM, IT DOESN'T ABIDE BY THE CODE WITH THE 60 DEGREE ANGLE.
UM, IT JUST ISN'T FEASIBLE TO, TO DO THAT.
WHAT, WHICH LOT WAS THE ONE THAT WAS BEING OH, THE, THE LOT OF POTENTIALLY MAINTAINING THE ADDRESS.
THAT'S THE ONE IN THE MIDDLE NOW MM-HMM
SO REALLY THAT COULDN'T BE DONE FOR 59 EITHER, COULD IT? NO, NO RULE.
THE RULE OF THREE IS 59, 56 A AND 56 B.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, SIR.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? I DO THINK IT'S VERY IMPORTANT.
OH, YOU KNOW, YOU PUT THREE ADDRESS SIGNS ON ONE ROAD OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD AND FIRE RESCUES OR, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE'S HAVING A HEART ATTACK AND THERE THERE'D BE ANY CONFUSION ON WHICH HOUSE IT WAS.
THOSE MINUTES WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO THE RIGHT HOUSE, UH, WOULDN'T MEAN A WHOLE LOT MORE THAN THE COST OF A ROAD SIGN OR INCONVENIENCE.
A CHANGE IN AN ADDRESS IN MY VIEW.
AND I, I DO AGREE AND I I DO UNDERSTAND YOU'RE UPSET OVER NEEDING TO CHANGE IT, SIR, BUT YOUR LIFE IS MORE VALUABLE THAN THAT AND, AND GETTING PEOPLE TO YOUR HOUSE AND TO THE OTHER HOUSES, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AND MINUTES COUNT.
AND I, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS, YOU KNOW, AND I'M SURE YOU WOULD FEEL THAT WAY IF YOUR WIFE WAS HAVING A HEART ATTACK OR SOMETHING YOU'D, YOU'D WANT HIM TO GET THERE.
BUT I DO UNDERSTAND YOUR ANGST OF, YOU KNOW, NEEDING TO CHANGE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOTTEN USED TO.
AND NO MATTER THE COST, I I DON'T REMEMBER THAT STATEMENT.
UM, AND IF I MADE IT, I APOLOGIZED IF IT SEEMED FLIPPANT.
UM, BECAUSE THE COST OF DOING IT IS, IS NOTHING IN COMPARED TO MAKING SURE WE'RE ABLE TO GET TO YOU IN TIME OF NEED.
IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR THAT HAS GOT TO THIS DATE SINCE I MOVED UP THERE PREVENTED I HAVE THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM BEING ABLE TO RESPOND WHEN MY FORMER NEIGHBORS SET THEIR SIDE OF THE HILL ON FIRE TWICE AND REPORTED ME TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT FOR ALLEGED VIOLATIONS OF THEIR PROPERTIES.
WELL, SO THAT UNDERSTAND YOUR PROTOCOLS.
UH, THANK YOU FOR CONSIDERING MY COMPLAINT.
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WELL, IT, IT DID NOT GO UNNOTICED, SIR.AND WE DO APPRECIATE YOUR, UM, YOUR SERVICE TO THE NATION.
BUT, UM, IF I COULD HAVE A MOTION ON THIS, I MOVE TO NAME THE ACCESS ROAD OFF OF BUCK MOUNTAIN ROAD, JOCKEY HOLLOW LANE, AS SHOWN IN THE ILLUSTRATED'S ENTITLED PROPOSED NEW ROAD JOCKEY HALL LANE.
AND AT LEAST I'M GLAD YOU GOT TO NAME THE ROAD
IT'S AFTER NATIONAL PARK WHERE WASHINGTON'S ALREADY OVER WINTER TWICE.
[I. Consent Agenda]
AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA? I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER ONE AND IF HEARING NO OTHER, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE EXCEPTION TO NUMBER ONE? SO MOVED.MADAM CHAIR? AYE MR. CARTER? AYE.
[I.1. Change to County Observed Holiday Day - Primary Election]
PULLED THAT IS I HAD ASKED FOR, UM, HOW MUCH IT COST WHEN WE MAKE A HOLIDAY AND I DID GET SOME NUMBERS AND I APPRECIATE THAT.UM, THAT IT'S AN ADDITIONAL $25,000 ON TOP OF WHATEVER OUR DAY RATE IS FOR ALL OF OUR STAFF, WHICH AT THAT NUMBER I DIDN'T GET.
SO THE ESTIMATED PAYROLL COST IS AROUND $56,557.
THAT'S THE DAILY RATE, AND THAT'S AS A NORMAL DAY WITHOUT A HOLIDAY.
SO WITH A HOLIDAY IT WOULD BE $57,972.
SO IT'S A DIFFERENCE OF $1,415 MORE.
SO ARE FOR ONE DAY FOR ALL OF OUR EMPLOYEES, IT'S ONLY $55,000.
IT'S AN ESTIMATED AVERAGE, BUT YES.
THAT'S IN THIS, THAT'S IN THIS BUILDING.
NO, I'M, I'M, THAT'S NOT SCHOOLS, IT'S JUST, IT'S NOT JUST THIS BUILDING THAT'S IT'S ALL COUNTY THAT SEEMS WAY LOW.
UM, SO IT AVERAGES OUT, IT'S ACTUALLY THE 36,000 FOR THE HOLIDAY ON TOP OF THE 56.
SO THAT GETS DIVIDED OUT THROUGHOUT THE MONTH, WHICH IS THE ADDITIONAL 15.
SO TO HAVE A HOLIDAY, WE PAY AN ADDITIONAL $36,000 FOR THAT DAY BECAUSE CERTAIN DEPARTMENTS, THEY GET PAID OUT FOR THE HOLIDAY WHEREAS OTHER PEOPLE DON'T WORK.
AND SO IT'S 30, 1500 MORE FOR THE HOLIDAY? 30? NO, IT'S 36,000.
UM, IF YOU AVERAGE IT OUT OVER THE MONTH, THE COST, IT'S A 15 YEAH.
HUNDRED DOLLARS DAY AVERAGE OVER THE MONTH FOR THE ONE DAY HOLIDAY PAY.
WELL, AND, AND I'M, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT, AND YOU GUYS KNOW IT AS WELL AS I DO 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS BUDGET AND SCRAPING EVERY PENNY TOGETHER THAT WE CAN.
AND YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, I WORKED THE POLLS LAST YEAR AND WITH A 45 DAY EARLY VOTING CYCLE, UH, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S THINGS THAT, THAT PEOPLE ARE VERY PASSIONATE ABOUT, WHEN THE ACTUAL ELECTION DAY ROLLS AROUND AND I, I WORKED IT OUT HERE THAT DAY, I SAW MORE UPSET PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T GET THEIR, WHAT THEY HAD TAKEN THEIR DAY OFF TO DO HERE, BEING UPSET THAT WE WERE CLOSED MM-HMM
VERSUS THE LARGE AMOUNT OF VOTERS AND THE SCHOOLS ARE VOTING AREAS, THEY'RE NOT CLOSING.
SO THAT'S A LOST DAY OF PRODUCTIVITY.
AND I JUST, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S CHRISTMAS AND THANKSGIVING AND ALL THOSE HOLIDAYS, I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THOSE.
BUT FOR, UM, A PRIMARY ELECTION, I JUST DON'T SEE WHERE IT'S GONNA INTERRUPT AND AFFECT THE GENERAL BUSINESS DAY.
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BEEN OPEN ON THE PRIMARY ELECTION DAY, I THINK IT WAS 2022, WE STARTED OBSERVING THAT AS A HOLIDAY.AND I, I'M JUST LOOKING AT WHY SPEND THAT EXTRA MONEY AND LOSE A DAY OF PRODUCTIVITY, HAVE PEOPLE UPSET THAT TAKE THE DAY OFF AND THEN FIND OUT, AND THAT WAS DURING PAYING TAXES DAY.
SO THAT WAS AN ADDED BUMMER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT DAY.
SO I JUST WANTED TO BRING THAT OUT BEFORE WE VOTE ON THIS.
AND IT SEEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT A BIG DEAL.
IT'S ANOTHER, YOU KNOW, JUST ONE DAY, BUT IT ALL ADDS UP AND I, YOU KNOW, I JUST, WHEN WE'VE GOT A PROPOSED 10 CENT INCREASE, I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE'RE SHOWING THE PEOPLE WE'RE BEING AS DILIGENT WITH WHAT WE'RE GETTING AS WE CAN BE.
SO THAT WAS MY REASON FOR PULLING THIS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF ANYBODY ELSE HAS ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, BUT I APPRECIATE THE INFORMATION.
I JUST HAD A QUESTION, QUESTION OR TWO.
UM, SO THE ORIGINAL PRIMARY DATE WAS AUGUST 4TH.
THE ORIGINAL PRIMARY DATE WAS JUNE 16TH.
THE, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS MOVED IT TO, OH, MOVED AUGUST 4TH.
AND RIGHT NOW WE HAVE IT ON THE CALENDAR TO OKAY.
UM, AND I THINK YOU MENTIONED THE SCHOOLS OPEN THAT DAY.
UM, WHAT ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL OFFICES? ARE THEY GONNA BE OPEN? THE TREASURER OR THE COMMISSIONER? THEY ALL FOLLOW OURS, OUR CALENDAR.
SO IF WE OBSERVE IT, THEY'RE ALSO CLOSED.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF IT MADE ANY DIFFERENCE SINCE THE STATE, I GUESS THE STATE JUST MOVED THE DATE MADE DIDN EXTRA STATE TAKE, SO THIS, THIS IS ONE OF THE DAYS THAT THE STATE DOES NOT CLAIM AS A HOLIDAY.
EVERY OTHER HOLIDAY WE HAVE ONE HERE.
AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHEN THE COURT DOCKET IT, THEY, THAT BECOMES A PROBLEM WITH THEM.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEIR STAFF IS WORKING.
IT JUST, IT, IT'S A BIGGER DEAL WITH SCHEDULING MM-HMM
AND, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, DO YOU, IF THEY WORK LIKE YOU FIRST RESPONDERS HAVE TO, THEN THEY GET OVERTIME OR THEN YOU, IF THEY WANT AN EXTRA DAY OFF, IT'S, IT CAN BE A SCHEDULING ISSUE AS WELL.
WHAT ABOUT ELECTION DAY IN NOVEMBER? THAT'S, THAT'S STAYING THE SAME.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S STAYING THE SAME.
THE THERE'S NO CHANGE TO THIS ONE.
WHAT WAS THE SAME? THAT IS GOING TO BE, THEY'RE ALL ELECTION DAY, I THINK.
DOESN'T THE STATE RECOGNIZE THAT? IT IT'S A HOLIDAY.
WHAT, WHAT, WHAT PRIMARY IS THIS? AUGUST? HMM.
IS THERE THE PRIMARY, THE THEY HAD IN JUNE LAST YEAR? LIKE, UM, THERE'S NO BOARD ELECTION THIS YEAR.
SOMEBODY'S SOMEWHERE IS GETTING ELECTED TO SOMETHING
I THOUGHT WE WERE GONNA DID THE ELECTIONS ON TUESDAY.
I THINK IN THE PAST, AND MAYBE WHAT YOU DO NOW IS REMOVE, IF WE HAVE THE REGULAR MEETING DAY, WE JUST MOVE THAT TO WEDNESDAY.
BECAUSE I DON'T THINK, YEAH, I DON'T THINK YOU KNOW IT, IT'S A PROBLEM.
I MEAN, I DON'T SEE THE NEED FOR IT, LIKE MS. COLOR SAID AS FAR AS PEOPLE, A LOT OF PEOPLE, WELL, MAYBE NOT THE PRIMARY, BUT MAY, THEY MAY BE OFF ANYWAY IF THEY COME DOWN HERE TO PAY THEIR BILL.
I GUESS WE ALWAYS COULD CHARGE DR. MARTIN TO BE HERE AND ACCEPT PAYMENTS IF ABSOLUTELY.
YOU WERE HERE THAT PRIMARY DAY.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT LIKE GENERAL ELECTION DAY.
IS IT TO WHERE IT'S LIKE A TRAFFIC JAM OR ANYTHING IN THE PARK? NO, LAST, LAST YEAR I, I TALKED TO MORE ANGRY PEOPLE THAT CAME TO PAY THEIR TAXES TO THE POINT I ALMOST GOT AFRAID TO, AND I COULD SEE 'EM WITH THEIR ENVELOPES IN THEIR HAND AND I THOUGHT, OH, DO I LET 'EM GET UP AND FIND OUT? OR DO I GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO THEM? AND I, I JUST TOOK IT ON THE CHIN AND WOULD TELL 'EM, SORRY, IT'S CLOSED.
AND, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE NOT HAPPY.
AND IT, UM, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS A BIG EARLY VOTING TURNOUT AND I THINK THAT IS BECOMING THE NORM.
SO I JUST, AND IT'S, IT TAKES PLACE HERE, SO IT'S NOT LIKE, UM, THERE'S A DISRUPTION OF ANYBODY'S OFFICE OR ANYTHING.
SO, AND LIKE I SAID, THE SCHOOLS, UM, YOU KNOW, I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS AT RESI, THE VOTING WENT ON IN THE GYM AND I KNOW THAT'S BEEN MOVED TO SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL NOW, BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T LET THE STUDENTS IN THE GYM WHEN IT WAS AT
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RESI AND THE PEOPLE CAME IN, THEY VOTED AND THEY WENT OUT MM-HMMUM, SO IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT A DISTURBANCE AT THE SCHOOLS, I DON'T SEE WHERE IT WOULD BE ANYMORE.
SO HERE, AND IT JUST SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF LOGISTICAL WITH THE FIRST TO RESPONDERS AND THE COST.
WHY WOULD WE WANNA DO THAT? I'D AGREE.
SO IS THERE A MOTION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER ON THIS? DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I MOVE.
I, I BELIEVE THIS IS THE CORRECT ONE THAT I MOVE TO REMOVE THE PRIMARY ELECTION AS A COUNTY OBSERVED HOLIDAY.
UM, NEW BUSINESS REPORTS FROM BOARD
[K. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney]
MEMBERS, MR. JAMESON.UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE DATES WITH ME, BUT I DO KNOW AS FAR AS THE SHENANDOAH RAIL TRAIL, UM, AFTER THE ELECTION, RIGHT BEFORE, UH, SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDST OF THE ELECTION, UH, THE WHOLE PROJECT WAS HANDED OFF TO ANOTHER AGENCY, UH, WITHOUT THE THIRD PHASE OF THE PUBLIC INPUT BEING, UM, REVIEWED.
AND THAT HAS BEEN ROLLED BACK.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE DATES NOW, BUT I WILL COME BACK, UM, WITH THOSE DATES.
BUT I'M GONNA BE ATTENDING A, A VIRTUAL MEETING TOMORROW.
THE WHOLE COURT OF SENATOR RAIL TRAIL TEAM IS, IS, UM, TRYING TO, TO GET OUT ON THE SAME PAGE.
UH, THERE WILL BE ALMOST CERTAINLY ANOTHER, I HOPE I'M NOT MISSTATING THIS, BUT THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
VDOT WILL, UM, BE, I THINK THEY'LL BE GATHERING PUBLIC INPUT AND THEN THEY'LL BE REPORTING ON THAT PUBLIC INPUT.
SO WHERE THAT, THAT SORT OF GOT SHORT CIRCUITED AT THE END, END OF THE LAST ADMINISTRATION.
THERE'S NOW GONNA BE A THOROUGH, UH, LOOK WITH PUBLIC INPUT ABOUT THE, ABOUT HOW THAT THIRD PHASE LOOKED IN TERMS OF RAIL WITH TRAIL VERSUS THE RAIL TRAIL.
UM, I'VE ALSO, I'VE BEEN WORKING ON THE BUDGET A LOT.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO, UH, BE CREATIVE AND LOOK FOR, UH, POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVE, UH, TAX STRUCTURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I'M HOPING THAT, I HOPE TO HAVE BEEN THROUGH WITH THAT LAST WEEK.
I'M STILL WORKING ON IT, HOPING TO, UH, MEET WITH MRS. CALLERS AND, UH, DR. MARTIN ON THAT, I HOPE THIS WEEK.
SO JUST TO KIND OF REVEAL WHAT, WHAT, WHAT THE, WHAT I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT MR. HENRY? UH, YES.
OH, AT THE LAST WORK SESSION, OH, I WAS PRETTY TOUGH ON FIRE AND RESCUE ALL, AND I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING GOOD ABOUT 'EM, AND THAT WAS NOT FAIR.
ALL I'D LIKE TO INDICATE THAT, UH, WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT PEOPLE.
WE DO HAVE THE RIGHT FIRE CHIEF.
WE DO HAVE, WE, WE'VE GOT GOOD STAFF.
ALL I OWE THEM MY BROTHER'S LIFE.
UH, HE HAD A MASSIVE HEART ATTACK AND EVERYTHING WENT PERFECT.
AND IF ONE GUY HAD BEEN OUTTA PLACE, HE WOULDN'T BE HERE.
UM, I'M NOT QUALIFIED TO PUT A BANDAID ON
UM, THEY'RE VERY QUALIFIED IN THEIR JOBS.
I HAD JUST HOPED AS THE BUDGET DEVELOPED THAT I JUST THOUGHT CHESTER GAP BASED ON THEIR LOCATION, UH, THEIR PREVIOUS EXPERIENCE OF HAVING TO DEAL WITH THAT MOUNTAIN AND THE BAD WEATHER, UH, GIVES THEM A HAND UP OF BEING UP THERE.
AND THEN, UH, OF COURSE, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST HISTORY WHEN WE WERE, UH, WHEN THEY WERE BUILDING FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, IN ITS NEW LOCATION, UH, IT WAS INDICATED IF YOU MOVE A FIRE STATION, UH, YOU'RE GONNA BE FARTHER FROM SOMEBODY AND CLOSER TO SOMEBODY ELSE, YOU KNOW? SO, UH, CHESTER GAP, UH, IF YOU'RE CLOSE TO IT, THERE'S A BENEFIT, YOU KNOW, JUST, JUST HAVING IT CLOSER.
NOT THAT, UH, UH, I JUST, MY, MY COMMENTS WERE SOMEWHAT ISH, UH, NOT COMPLETELY UNJUSTIFIED, BUT, UH, I DIDN'T WANT THAT TO BE CONFUSED WITH SOMEONE THINKING THAT I THOUGHT THAT, UH, WE WERE SOMEHOW INCAPABLE OR DIDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT GUYS IN THE RIGHT PLACE.
WE VERY MUCH HAVE, UH, GOOD PEOPLE WORKING THERE.
I JUST, UH, IT WAS JUST A HOPE THAT, UH, WE COULD STILL PARTNER WITH THEM JUST BECAUSE OF THEIR LOCATION AND THEN IT WOULD JUST EXTEND OUR SERVICES FURTHER.
NOT THAT, NOT THAT ANY OF OUR STAFF IS IN THAT.
UM, MY REPORT ON MARCH 26TH, WE HAD ANOTHER TOURISM COMMITTEE
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MEETING AND APRIL 18TH WILL BE OUR FIRST EVENT.UM, I THINK IT'S GETTING PRETTY MUCH PUBLICIZED.
IT'S GOING TO FOCUS ON THE AREA AROUND THE WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY, THE PARKING LOT, UM, WITH THE VALLEY HEALTH COMPLEX AND OVER ONTO THE GAZEBO AND THEN DOWN CHESTER STREET.
AND CORRECT ME, MS. MEADOWS, IF I'M WRONG, WE SHOULD HAVE THE MOBILE MUSEUM ON THE PARKING LOT AT, UM, E WILSON MORRISON.
IT'S NOT GONNA BE THERE THAT DAY.
BUT THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER EVENTS, UH, STARTING ABOUT 1230 TO TWO TWO AND GOING, UM, TILL AROUND 7 38 ISH IN THAT AREA.
SO LOTS OF DIFFERENT THINGS TO SEE AND DO.
FOOD IS ALWAYS PART OF THESE EVENTS.
UM, AND IT'S ALL FREE, EXCEPT IF YOU BUY FOOD AND, UM, LOOK FORWARD TO PEOPLE COMING OUT.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE SEVERAL, A TOTAL OF SIX OTHER EVENTS THROUGHOUT THE SUMMER, UM, FOR THIS AND WORKING WITH, UM, THE V THE VA TWO 50.
THIS IS GONNA BE A MULTI-YEAR CELEBRATION OF THE 250TH.
UM, ON THE 28TH, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE A LOT OF FUNDRAISERS IN THE COMMUNITY WHERE PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS TO GIVE SCHOLARSHIPS TO OUR HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.
AND, UM, ASSISTANT CHIEF
SO THEY'VE BEEN DOING THESE FUNDRAISERS NOW FOR YEARS AND I ATTENDED THAT ONE WAS MY FIRST.
AND, UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY IT WAS SUCH A NICE, UM, THING THE, EVERYONE CHIPPED IN AND HELPED DO THAT.
AND I THINK EVERYONE HAD A GOOD TIME.
UM, AND APPRECIATE THE SUPPORT FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL KIDS.
UM, WENT TO A MEETING AND I WANTED TO THANK MR. JAMISON FOR GOING UP TO CHESTER GAP AND MEETING WITH A COUPLE OF THE RAPPAHANNOCK SUPERVISORS TO DISCUSS THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND WHAT THEY BRING TO THE TABLE.
UH, THEN, UM, ON APRIL 2ND, MR. STAN MEYER WENT UP AS WELL.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD THING WE TALK ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS AND MAKE DECISIONS ON THINGS, BUT IF YOU HAVEN'T ACTUALLY GONE AND, AND GET AN IN-PERSON, IT, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT ON PAPER THAN IT IS IN PERSON.
SO I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME YOU TOOK BOTH OF YOU TO GO UP THERE.
UM, LAST NIGHT I ATTENDED THE TOWN'S WORK SESSION, UM, AND APPRECIATE HEARING WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THEM.
THEY'RE HAVING SAME ISSUES AS US, SO I DIDN'T FEEL LIKE I WAS THE ONLY PERSON WITH A DYSFUNCTIONAL RELATIONSHIP AT TIMES
IT'S, UM, THE BLENDING OF PERSONALITIES AND MAKING DECISIONS IS, UH, INTERESTING AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
UM, THIS MORNING I ATTENDED AS MR. JAMESON AND DR. MARTIN DID THE, UH, TOURISM SUMMIT THAT WAS HOSTED BY LIZZIE LEWIS AND ROOM FULL OF PEOPLE.
THAT WAS GOOD CONVERSATION THERE.
UM, MS. MEADOWS WAS THERE AS WELL.
AND, UM, I LEFT A LITTLE EARLY TO COME HERE, BUT I THINK THERE'S PLANS TO DO MORE OF THEM.
AND, UM, JUST WAS, UM, A LOT OF GOOD CONVERSATION THERE ON, YOU KNOW, OUR TOURISM, WHAT WE WANNA BE, WHAT THE FUTURE IS FOR THAT.
SO HOPEFULLY WE ALL GET OUR ACTS TOGETHER AND THAT CAN TAKE SOME OF THIS TAX BURDEN OFF OF THE, UM, REAL ESTATE OF THE PEOPLE AS WELL.
I DID WANT TO PUT OUT A REMINDER THAT, UM, OUR BUDGET PUBLIC HEARING IS APRIL 14TH, AND THAT WILL BE AT THE WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL AUDITORIUM.
AND THAT WILL BE AT SEVEN O'CLOCK.
IS THAT SIX? WHY DID SOMEBODY TELL ME SEVEN INITIALLY? SO SIX O'CLOCK AT WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL SHOULD BE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR PEOPLE TO COME AND PLENTY OF PARKING.
UH, THE APRIL NEXT REGULAR BOARD MEETING FOR THE BOARD WILL BE APRIL 22ND, WHICH IS A WEDNESDAY.
UM, THAT'S BECAUSE OF THE ELECTION DAY.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE GONNA BE OPEN, THEY USE THIS ROOM.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'LL MOVE TO THE NEXT DAY AND THAT WILL BE AT REGULAR TIME AS WELL.
AND I WOULD LIKE TO REQUEST OF THE BOARD THAT IN THE, YOU KNOW, NEXT LITTLE BIT THAT WE, WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON CHESTER GAP AND
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WHETHER WE SIT DOWN AS A GROUP, WHETHER WE BRING BOTH THE BOARDS TOGETHER, HOWEVER WE WANNA DO THAT, I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE A CONSENSUS OF WHERE WE ARE SO THAT WE CAN SIT DOWN AND LET THEM KNOW AND MAKE A DECISION ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION, UM, AND, YOU KNOW, PROS AND CONS.
FOR ME IT'S, I AGREE WE HAVE GOT EXCELLENT PEOPLE ON OUR SIDE.
WE'VE GOT A LOT OF YOUNG PEOPLE, WE'VE GOT A LOT OF OLDER PEOPLE, UH, THAT ARE RETIRED.
THEY JUST LOVE WHAT THEY DO AND THEY CONTINUE TO WORK WITH FOR US.
AND NOT SAYING A, A DISPARAGING THING AGAINST ANY OF THEM, BUT WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH AND WE CAN'T AFFORD WHAT WE WANT OR NEED.
AND TO HAVE THAT ENTITY THAT'S SITTING THERE.
AND THE ONE THING I HEARD CONTINUOUSLY WAS, GEE, I DIDN'T KNOW HOW CLOSE THEY WERE.
UM, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO UP INTO THE CHESTER GAP TO GET TO HOMES THAT ARE IN WARREN COUNTY.
YOU CAN'T ACCESS 'EM FROM THE WARREN COUNTY SIDE.
UM, NOT AT THIS POINT, AT LEAST UNLESS ANOTHER ROAD'S BUILT THERE.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HOW WE CAN BEST SERVE TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY WITHIN THE MEANS THAT WE HAVE THIS COMMUNITY.
AND I JUST SEE THEM PERSONALLY AS AN ASSET.
AND, BUT THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S NOT TAKEN AWAY FROM WHAT WE HAVE.
WE HAVE A LOT OF HARDWORKING PEOPLE WITH, UH, THAT ARE TALENTED AND HAVE A LOT OF EXPERTISE AND I APPRECIATE ALL OF THEM.
SO SEEING THAT, MR. AND DR. MARTIN, I WILL PASS IT TO YOU FOR YOUR REPORT, SIR.
UH, FIRST I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO DR.
JAMESON FOR, FOR INCORRECTLY ANNOUNCING THE LEGAL FEES ATTRIBUTED TO HIM.
I WENT BACK AND REVIEWED THE FEES AND INVOICES, UH, THOSE FEES TOTAL, UH, AROUND $71,000 RATHER THAN, UH, IN THE $80,000 RANGE.
AGAIN, MY APOLOGIES TO YOU, DR.
UM, I FORMALLY MADE A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO PAY THE MONTHLY FEE REGARDING CHESTER GAP FOR THE MONTHS OF MAY AND JUNE.
I BELIEVE A DECISION OF THE FUTURE SHOULD NOT BE MADE IN THE THROES OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS.
DURING THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO RECOMMEND THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE RAPPAHANNOCK BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND FIRE CHIEFS FROM BOTH LOCALITIES SIT AND DETERMINE THE FUTURE ABOUT SERVING THE CITIZENS IN THE CHESTER GAP AREA.
I BELIEVE WE NEED TIME TO REFLECT AND DETERMINE IF THERE ARE SOME COMMON GROUND.
THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE RECOMMENDATION OF ADDITIONAL FIRE AND RESCUE STAFF.
A MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT OF HISTORIC RESOURCES VISITED THE COURTHOUSE LAST WEEK.
THE PURPOSE OF THE VISIT WAS TO REVIEW THE HISTORICAL INTEGRITY OF THE BUILDING AND TO CONFIRM TWO MODIFICATIONS REQUESTED, WHICH NOW HAVE BEEN APPROVED.
THE FIRST MODIFICATION IS TO INSTALL AN A DA COMPLIANT BATHROOM IN THE COMMONWEALTH'S ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
AND THE SECOND IS THE REPAIR OF THE CUPOLA.
SO I'VE SAT IN ON THE PLANNING OF EVENTS TO CELEBRATE THE 250 ANNIVERSARY OF PARTICULAR NOTE, THE LANTERNS TO LIBERTY EVENT ON SATURDAY, APRIL 18TH WILL HAVE MANY EVENTS FOR THE ENTIRE FAMILY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT PAUL REVERE MAY BE DOING HIS SPECIAL RIDE, HIS OR HER SPECIAL RIDE ON HORSEBACK, AND DR. JOSEPH WARREN WILL BE MAKING AN APPEARANCE.
SO THE BOARD, UH, AT THIS MEETING CHANGED ITS CALENDAR TO HAVE, UM, TUESDAY, AUGUST 4TH BE A REGULAR HOLIDAY.
UM, THE STATE CODE PROVIDES THAT IN JANUARY FOR COUNTIES AT THEIR FIRST MEETING AT THE ORGANIZATIONAL MEETING, YOU SET THE TIMES FOR YOUR UPCOMING MEETINGS FOR THE YEAR.
AND AT THAT MEETING YOU SET THAT, UH, AUGUST MEETING FOR THE WEDNESDAY, UH, AT ONE O'CLOCK.
NOW WE CAN MOVE IT BACK TO THE TUESDAY.
UM, BUT WE'VE GOT TO PASS A RESOLUTION AND THAT RESOLUTION'S GOTTA BE PUT IN THE NEWSPAPER OR POSTED ON THE COURTHOUSE AT LEAST A WEEK BEFORE THE AUGUST MEETING.
SO, UH, YOU KNOW, DOESN'T, DOESN'T MATTER TO ME WHAT Y'ALL CHOOSE TO DO, BUT IF YOU ARE EXPECTING THAT AUGUST MEETING TO BE ON TUESDAY, WE'LL HAVE TO TAKE SOME ACTION.
IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT BEING ON WEDNESDAY, AUGUST THE FIFTH, THERE'S NOTHING TO DO.
CAN WE STILL LEAVE IT FOR WEDNESDAY BECAUSE THERE'S STILL, RIGHT?
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CORRECT.AND IF I'M, IF I, UH, REMEMBER LOOKING AT IT, THAT'S ALSO SHERIFF KLINE ISN'T THE FIRST TUESDAY OF AUGUST NATIONAL NIGHT OUT.
AND WE MOVED IT FOR THAT REASON AS WELL TO, TO THE WEDNESDAY.
SO, SO THAT'S, THAT'S MY REPORT.
SO WE THERE, THERE'S NOTHING YOU NEED TO DO THEN 'CAUSE YOU WANT IT ON WEDNESDAY AND THAT'S WHAT IT IS.
RIGHT? SO IF, IF YOU'D WANTED TO CHANGE IT, I JUST WANTED TO ALERT YOU THAT I THOUGHT PERHAPS ONE OF YOU MIGHT'VE THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD NOW BE AUTOMATICALLY TUESDAY AND IT'S NOT SO.
WHICH IS, WHEN I LOOKED AT THAT, I THOUGHT, WELL, GOOD.
WE WE DID, WHAT'S THE OLD SAYING? WE KILLED TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE THERE
THANK YOU THOUGH FOR REMINDING.
'CAUSE IT YOU WE COULD HAVE HAD IT MESSED UP.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, MAY I NEED TO AMEND MY REPORT? MAY OKAY.
MARTIN'S, UH, COMMENT, I NEED TO, TO MAKE, CLARIFY SOME THINGS.
UM, ON THE 24TH, DR. MARTIN READ PUBLICLY FROM A REPORT ATTRIBUTING OVER $80,000 IN ATTORNEY COST TO ME PERSONALLY.
UM, I REQUESTED FROM HIM THE DATA, THE METHODOLOGY, AND THE REPORT, EVERYTHING, BUT THE METHODOLOGY WAS PROVIDED.
I DID USE THE DATA, UH, AND HAVE THOROUGHLY ANALYZED THE DATA AND I'M IN THE PROCESS OF COMPILING A REPORT.
UH, THE ONE OF THE, THE PRINCIPAL FINDING THOUGH, IS THE REPORT DR. MARTIN READ FROM APPLIED A DIFFERENT STANDARD TO ME THAN EVERYONE ELSE.
UH, IF ANY VALID COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS REQUIRES THE IDENTICAL TREATMENT OF ALL SUBJECTS, THE REPORT APPLIED A NAME ONLY SEARCH CRITERIA TO SIX SUPERVISORS.
FOR ME ALONE, IT APPLIED A BROADER SET OF ADDITIONAL CRITERIA NOT USED FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
SO AS I COMPLETE THIS REPORT, I WILL, UH, MAKE IT AVAILABLE FOR THE RECORD TO BE CLEARED.
MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO REQUEST A CLOSED SESSION, UH, AT THE END OF TODAY'S MEETING TO, UH, FOR PERSONNEL TO REVIEW THE, UH, UM, MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING OF EMPLOYMENT FOR THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR.
UM, BEFORE, DO THAT NOW, BEFORE THE WORK SESSION AND THEN WE COME BACK OUT.
WELL, WELL, LET'S DO THE WORK SESSION SINCE WE HAVE MR. CARTER HERE.
I WAS GONNA SAY, AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK AND DO IT.
AND THEN I GUESS THAT'LL GIVE, AND I'M SURE HE ALREADY HAS IT AS FAR AS THE MOTION TO GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION.
DO I NEED TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT I'M THE AGENDA.
UM, WE JUST DO THE WORK SESSION.
SO I GUESS WE JUST HAVE A RECESS GO INTO WORK SESSION, THEN WE COME BACK OUT AND THEN WE GO BACK IN.
WELL, YOU KNOW, LET ME THINK ABOUT THIS FOR A MINUTE.
YEAH, YOU, YOU CAN DO IT EITHER WAY YOU WANT TO.
'CAUSE I'M GONNA ASSUME THAT WE'VE NOTICED THE DATE, TIME, AND LOCATION OF THE REGULAR MEETING AND ALSO THE WORK SESSION.
SO YEAH, WE'LL JUST AMEND THE AGENDA OF THE WORK SESSION AND INCLUDE A CLOSED SESSION ON THAT.
WELL, IF THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL NEW BUSINESS, IS THERE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT OF OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING? SO MOVED.
SO WE ARE ADJOURNED FROM OUR REGULAR BUSINESS MEETING AND YOU NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK AND THEN WE'LL GO IN THE WORK SESSION.
I THINK WE'RE ALL BACK AND READY
[N.1. Discussion — VDOT Secondary Six-Year Plan]
TO HEAR THE VDOT SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN.I GAVE EVERYONE THE HANDOUT THAT GOES WITH THIS.
IT'S, UH, THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN, WE'RE BY CODE, UH, VDOT IN THE COUNTY HAVE TO GET TOGETHER, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING.
I KNOW THIS IS NOT THE PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THIS IS THE WORK SESSION WHERE WE GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHOW YOU THE MONIES THAT ARE AVAILABLE.
UH, I'M GOING, MATT, PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER FOR ALL OF THE COUNTIES.
I'M GONNA LET HIM GET UP HERE AND, AND TELL YOU, UH, HOW MANY DOLLARS THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
IF YOU, UH, SEE SOMETHING YOU WANT TO CHANGE, I ASK YOU TO THINK ABOUT DOING THAT ON THE LATTER PART OF THE PLAN
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AS THE FIRST PART, UH, IS PRETTY WELL LOCKED IN BASED ON YOUR RANKING SYSTEMS THAT YOU ALL, UH, PUT APPROVED AND THE BUDGET THAT WAS APPROVED LAST YEAR.SO WITH THAT, MATT, YOU WANT TO TAKE OVER? YEAH.
UM, I'LL JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE ED SAID, IT'S THAT TIME OF YEAR AGAIN WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN.
AND I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A BRIEF UPDATE ON, ON KIND OF START OFF WITH WHAT THE PLAN IS.
UM, SO THE, UH, BASICALLY THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN, IT IDENTIFIES THE SECONDARY ROAD CONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS PLANNED IN YOUR COUNTY FOR THE NEXT SIX YEARS, UTILIZING FUNDS THAT VDOT GETS FOR CONSTRUCTION ON SECONDARY ROADS IN YOUR COUNTY.
AND SO THE, YEAH, THE PLAN ASSIGNS SECONDARY ROAD CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS.
SO A SECONDARY ROAD THAT'S A, THAT'S A ROAD THAT VDOT ASSIGNS A ROUTE NUMBER OF 600 OR HIGHER.
UM, AND THIS PLAN ONLY ADDRESSES THOSE SECONDARY ROUTES, NOT PRIMARIES.
UM, THE, THE FUNDS ARE FOR, UM, UM, ROADWAY CONSTRUCTION OR IMPROVEMENTS ONLY.
IT DOESN'T COVER ROUTINE MAINTENANCE.
AND THIS PLAN COVERS THE NEXT SIX FISCAL YEARS, WHICH WOULD BE 2027 THROUGH 2032.
UM, SO VIRGINIA CODE ESTABLISHES, UM, A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT BETWEEN VDOT AND THE COUNTY TO DETERMINE THE, THE PROJECT PRIORITIES IN THE PLAN.
UM, THE PLAN DOES HAVE TO BE UPDATED ANNUALLY BEFORE THE START OF VDOT S FISCAL YEAR, WHICH IS JULY 1ST.
UM, VDOT WORKS WITH COUNTY STAFF FOR THE PROJECT SELECTION LIKE ED HAD MENTIONED.
YOU ALL HAVE A RANKING SYSTEM THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE TO KIND OF FOLLOW YOUR WAY DOWN AND PRIORITIZE, UH, PROJECTS, UH, BASED ON, UM, DATA.
AND, UM, THE FINAL ADOPTION, LIKE ED MENTIONED, DOES REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING AND A BOARD RESOLUTION.
AND THAT'S ALL REQUIRED BY STATE CODE.
THANK, DID I GET IT RIGHT WAY? UH, NO, LET ME DO THIS.
UM, THE, SO VDOT GETS TWO FUNDING SOURCES, UM, FOR CONSTRUCTION AND SECONDARY ROUTES.
THE FIRST ONE UP HERE IS DISTRICT GRANT UNPAVED.
UM, THIS IS AN ALLOCATION, UM, BASED ON THE, UM, NUMBER OF UNPAID ROAD MILES THAT THE COUNTY HAS KIND OF COMPARED TO THE REST OF THE STATE.
UM, THIS SOURCE OF MONEY CAN ONLY BE USED TO IMPROVE UNPAVED ROADS.
IT CAN'T BE USED TO WORK OR HAVE CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS ON PAVED ROADS.
AND SO TYPICALLY WE ASSIGN A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THIS, THIS FUNDING SOURCE TO THE RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROGRAM.
AND THAT'S WHERE WE GO IN AND TAKE AN EXISTING DIRT ROAD AND JUST BASICALLY PAVE IT IN PLACE.
UM, THE OTHER FUNDING SOURCE WE GET IS CALLED TELE FEE, AND THAT'S FEES THAT ARE PAID BY, UH, TELECOMMUNICATION PROVIDERS TO VDOT FOR USING VDOT RIGHT OF WAY.
AND, UM, THESE FUNDS HAVE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
THEY CAN BE USED ON ANY SECONDARY ROAD PAVED OR UNPAVED.
AND, UM, WE'D LIKE TO SET THOSE KIND OF, UM, IN A SPECIAL PROGRAM.
THOSE FOR, YOU KNOW, FUTURE UNFORESEEN PROJECTS OR, OR NEEDS WE MAY HAVE, UH, JUST TO PROVIDE MORE FLEXIBILITY.
SO LIKE I SAID, THE, THE COUNTY UTILIZES A RANKING SYSTEM TO SELECT UNPAVED ROADS FOR PAVING THE RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROJECTS.
UM, NEW PROJECTS ARE ADDED IN THE SIXTH YEAR OF THE THE PROGRAM.
SO WE'RE KIND OF LOOKING AT WHAT WE'RE GONNA ADD FOR 2032.
AND, UM, ONCE PROJECTS ARE PROGRAMMED IN THE SIX YEAR PLAN, WE, WE RECOMMEND YOU DON'T CHANGE 'EM.
SO ONCE IT'S IN, IT'S KIND OF, IT'S IN, I JUST WANNA QUICKLY, THESE ARE THE, UH, ESTIMATED ALLOCATIONS FOR THE NEXT SIX FISCAL YEARS.
UM, AND YOU CAN SEE THE TOP UH, ROW THERE IS THE TELE FEE MONEY.
THE SECOND ROW IS THE DISTRICT GRANT UNPAVED, AND THEN THE THIRD ROW HAS A TOTAL, THE, THE FIRST YEAR'S FUNDING IS, UH, RELIABLE FUNDING IN THE OUTER YEARS.
28 THROUGH 32 ARE THEIR ESTIMATES BECAUSE THEY CAN CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR, UM, YOU KNOW, BASED ON ECONOMIC STATEWIDE ECONOMIC CONDITIONS.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, THIS YEAR I KNOW THE EE AMOUNT DID INCREASE BY $11,314 IN EACH YEAR OVER LAST YEAR'S SIX YEAR PLAN.
SO A LITTLE BIT MORE MONEY IN THE TFE PART.
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THIS NEXT, UH, SLIDE HERE IS GETTING INTO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE IDENTIFIED.UM, SO THIS IS THE SAME AS LAST YEAR'S PLAN.
THIS IS THE NEXT RURAL RUSTIC ROAD PROJECT WE PLAN TO DO IN THE COUNTY THAT WILL START LATER THIS SUMMER.
AND THAT PROJECT WILL RECEIVE, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDING ON JULY 1ST AND THAT'LL MAKE IT FULLY FUNDED.
AND SO THEN WE CAN, UH, BEGIN AND COMPLETE THAT PROJECT THIS SUMMER.
UH, AFTER THAT WE HAVE, UH, THIS MESSICK ROAD AND THAT REMAINS UNCHANGED FROM LAST YEAR.
AND THEN POINT ROAD, UM, THAT'S ALSO UNCHANGED FROM LAST YEAR, LAST YEAR'S PLAN AFTER THAT, UH, THE NEXT ON THE LIST IS JENNINGS AND THAT'S UNCHANGED FROM LAST YEAR'S PLAN.
AND THEN THE NEXT ONE IS STEED LANE.
AND THAT ONE BASICALLY IN FY 32 WE'RE JUST FULLY FUNDING THAT PROJECT.
UM, WE DID UTILIZE A LITTLE PHY IN BOTH OF THESE PROJECTS JUST TO MAKE THEM WHOLE.
AND THEN THE LAST UH, PROGRAMMING CATEGORY HERE WE HAVE IS WHAT WE CALL THE COUNTYWIDE TRANSPORTATION SERVICES.
AND UM, THIS IS WHERE WE PUT THE EE MONEY AND LIKE I SAID, WE DO THAT FOR MORE FLEXIBILITY.
UM, WE CAN UTILIZE THIS IF WE OVERSPEND ON RURAL RUST TO GROVE PROJECT, WE GOT MONEY TO ZERO IT OUT AND BALANCE IT OUT.
UM, IF YOU HAD A SPECIAL PROJECT NEED THAT CAME UP LIKE A TURN LANE OR IMPROVING SITE DISTANCE OR SOME, UM, WE'RE DOING ONE IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY WHERE WE'RE PUTTING IN A BOX CALL FOR ON A PAVED SECONDARY ROUTE THAT'S CONSTANTLY FLOODING.
UM, THIS IS A SOURCE OF FUNDING THAT YOU CAN UTILIZE FOR THAT.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED FOR THAT MONEY AT THIS TIME, BUT UM, IT'S KIND OF NICE TO HAVE IT THERE FOR FLEXIBILITY.
UM, I MIGHT POINT OUT THAT IN OUR ESTIMATES, YOU NOTICE THEY RISE EVERY YEAR ON OUR OKAY.
DUE TO INFLATION AND MATERIAL COSTS AND SO FORTH.
UH, FIVE YEARS AGO WE WERE FIGURED 250,000 A MILE, NOW WE'RE 4,000.
IF IN THE CASE WE THE ROAD AND WE HAVEN'T ALL THE MONEY MONEY, THAT MONEY GOING AUTOMATICALLY, YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT IT IN THE NEXT PROJECT.
SO, AND, AND TOWARDS THE END OF THAT ONE, IF IT'S EXCESS MONEY, IT EITHER GOES IN COUNTY BY OR TO YOUR NEXT RURAL RUSSIA PROJECT, YOU DON'T LOSE IT.
SO LAST YEAR WE UM, DID WILLIAM VINCENT ROAD AND UM, IT WAS 1.2 MILE PROJECT AND WE WERE A LITTLE SHORT SO WE HAD TO UTILIZE SOME OF THE COUNTYWIDE FUNDS TO BALANCE THAT PROJECT OUT.
SO IT'S GOOD, GOOD TO HAVE THAT.
UM, SO NEXT SLIDE IS KIND OF WENT THE WRONG WAY.
WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? I THINK IF I CAN DO IT RIGHT.
SO, UM, THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE SCHEDULING A PUBLIC HEARING AT A FUTURE BOARD MEETING.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL NEED A FINAL BOARD RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL.
UM, WE'D LIKE TO HAVE THAT PRIOR TO JUNE 15TH, UM, SO THE CTB CAN ADOPT IT AND, AND VOTE ON IT.
UM, AND THAT'S BASICALLY ALL I HAVE.
I KNOW THAT WAS A QUICK RUNDOWN, BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE THAT TO YOU ALL SO YOU HAD A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT'S COMING.
ANY ANY QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? YES.
SO, AND MAYBE THE REST OF THE BOARD KNOWS I'M NEW KIND OF.
SO, OH, A ROAD THAT WASN'T MENTIONED IN THIS AND I WAS CURIOUS IF IT WAS ON ANY LISTING ANYWHERE IS SOME MORE SECTIONS OF PANHANDLE.
UH, IS, IS THAT ANYWHERE IN A, IN A PLAN ANYWHERE? 'CAUSE IT'S A DIRT ROAD STILL.
YOU ARE RANKING YOUR STEP BY YOUR COUNTY STAFF.
AND THEY CAN ADD, THEY CAN GO IN AND LOOK AT THE CRITERIA THAT WAS ESTABLISHED.
WE ONLY HAVE 34 MILES OF UNPAID ROAD LEFT IN WARREN COUNTY.
UH, THE, THE PURPOSE OF THE RANKING SYSTEM IS TO SEE, GIVE YOU A TOOL TO SAY, I'M GOING SPEND MY DOLLARS TO GET THE ON.
SO IF YOU WEREN'T LOOKED AT, UM, ACCOUNT, THE ACCOUNTING STAFF AND I, WE DID DO THAT SAYS FAULT.
WE, WE DID DO, I ALREADY TOLD EM YOU TWO TALK ABOUT IT AND TRANSPORTATION AND THEY HAD TALKED ABOUT THE, THE, THE NUM THE KNOWLEDGE AND I MENTIONED THAT WAS SO BIG.
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MATT MENTIONED BREAKING IT DOWN INTO OTHER SEGMENTS ALREADY TOLD HIM.YEAH, I DON'T THINK IT'S A, I DON'T THINK IT'S A ONE, IT'S TOO MUCH MONEY, BUT YEAH, IT'D BE OVER $2 MILLION.
WE FIGURED, UH, IT IT IT'S MORE THAN YOU HAVE IN THE PROGRAM.
SO, BUT IT WAS, WE DID DO A SECTION TWO YEARS AGO AND IT WAS RANKED HIGH.
UM, SO WE WENT FROM MOUNTAIN ROAD DOWN TO, I'M GONNA FORGET THE NAME OF THE ROAD.
WE DID, DID LOOK AT A MILE OF IT.
WE LOOKED AT THE HEAVIEST TRAFFIC IN WHICH IS FROM THE SIX 19 END AND WE LOOKED AT A MILE DOWN TO A CLEAN CUTOFF POINT, WHICH WOULD GET THE BIGGEST PORTION OF THAT, THAT TRAFFIC.
AND WHEN WE FIGURE 550, YEAH, I, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A GOOD, THAT NEXT SEGMENT FROM THE NORTH WORKING SOUTH, UM, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD SEGMENT TO LOOK AT ADDING IN NEXT YEAR'S PROGRAM.
'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS YEAR YOU ALREADY HAD A, A PROJECT IDENTIFIED IT HAD PARTIAL FUNDING AND THE, THE MONEY THAT WAS RECEIVED OR PROJECTED TO BE RECEIVED IN 2032 JUST MAKES THAT PROJECT WHOLE.
SO YOU CAN UTILIZE SOME OF THE, THE COUNTYWIDE, BUT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH IN THERE YET.
SO I, I WOULD RECOMMEND ADDING THAT IN THE OUTER YEAR OF, UH, 2033 IN THE NEXT CYCLE THAT WE TALK ABOUT THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN.
YEAH, I JUST, I I, YOU KNOW, IT IS A THROUGH ROAD, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOME OF THESE OTHER ROADS JUST KIND OF DID INTO NOTHING.
SO I KNOW IT GETS, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS AMOUNT OF TRAVEL, THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS JUST, IT'S SO LONG AND THEN WE'RE LIMITED TOO ON THE CONTRACT SIZE, IT HAS TO BE KIND OF LIKE IN A UNDER 700,000 IS KIND OF OUR THRESHOLD WE HAVE TO WORK WITH.
SO WE HAVE TO HAVE TO DONE BITES, SO TO SPEAK, PIECE AT A TIME.
KIND OF THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR A CAMPGROUND WHETHER THERE'S WANT TO KIND OF SHARE THE WEALTH, LIKE NOT DO EVERYTHING IN ONE PLACE AND THE BOARD MEMBERS LIKE, HEY, HERE'S OUR ROAD.
IT WOULD TAKE EVERYBODY'S MONEY AND STILL, WELL, I, I DON'T JUST, I JUST, I JUST DIDN'T SEE IT MAKE A LIST AND I WAS LOOKING AT IT MORE LONG TERM.
I DIDN'T EXPECT IT IN NEXT YEAR OR TWO.
YOU CAN, I DUNNO, I DON'T HURT FEELINGS HERE.
IF AND YOU HAVE WHAT, FIVE DISTRICTS IN WARREN COUNTY.
AND WEALTH MAY MEAN THAT YOU SPEND A, A MILE OF ROAD AND SPEND, LET'S SAY THREE 50, 400,000 TO SERVE A HUNDRED PEOPLE AND YOU LET A MILE OF ROAD AND ANOTHER DISTRICT, OKAY, THAT SERVES FOUR OH OH PEOPLE GO ON DOOR.
SO I JUST CAUTION YOU ABOUT THAT.
YOU KNOW, IT IT, WE HAVE AREAS NOT IN OUR AREA BUT IN OTHER RESIDENCIES THAT DO THAT.
CONSEQUENTLY, WHAT HAPPENS IS YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE BEST VALUE FOR YOUR DOLLAR.
WELL YOU DEFINITELY WANNA DO THE MOST HEAVILY TRAVELED.
I JUST FIGURED PANHANDLE WAS MORE HEAVILY TRAVELED THAN SOME THAT WAS IN THE THERE.
WELL IT IS ONE END I WOULD HAS OVER 600 VEHICLES A DAY ON IT.
AND THAT'S THE END THAT WE ARE SUGGESTING WHEN IT GOES IN THAT YOU LOOK AT DOING ANOTHER MILE OF THAT IN TO CATCH THE MAJORITY OF THAT TRAFFIC.
AND YOU KNOW, THAT WAS A BIG THING BEING ABLE TO ACCESS AND THEY ALL THOUGHT IT WAS A GREAT IDEA TO HELP, BUT THEN WHEN I KEPT REACHING BACK OUT, NOBODY WOULD RESPOND AGAIN.
SO I'M, I'M NOT GIVING UP ON THAT AS, YOU KNOW, I CAN BE A PAIN ELECTION.
WELL SO THAT, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, I, AND I USED, UM, WILDFIRES THAT, YOU KNOW, IF, IF THAT MOUNTAIN CATCHES ON FIRE, THE EQUIPMENT YOU'RE GONNA NEED TO GET IN, IT PROBABLY IS NOT GONNA NAVIGATE SOME OF THE COORS AND CORNERS THAT THEY HAVE TO CUT TO GET IN THROUGH PANHANDLE.
AND THEY ALL AGREED THAT YEP, THAT'S, YOU'VE GOT A GOOD POINT THERE.
PART OF THE BOAT LANDING, UM, WE GOT THE PARKING LOT THERE FROM THE FEDERAL, UM, GEORGIA NATIONAL FOREST AS A STAGING AREA.
SO I SAID, OKAY, WE'VE GOT STAGING AREA.
NOW HOW YOU GONNA GET HERE IF YOU GOTTA COME THROUGH THAT WAY OR GO THAT WAY TO GET THERE? WE NEED ROAD IMPROVEMENT.
SO WHATEVER YOU GUYS CAN DO ON YOUR END TO HELP SUPPORT THAT, I, YOU KNOW, I WILL HELP SUPPORT YOU IN THAT AS WELL.
'CAUSE I THINK THEY, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AMOUNT OF LAND THEY GOT THERE AND WANTING THE ACCESSIBILITY, THEY SHOULD HELP PAY FOR SOME OF IT.
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BUT OTHERWISE YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MORE MONEY.'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PAV IN PLACE IS NOT GONNA WORK IN SOME OF THOSE AREAS.
WISH IT WOULD, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO, IT'S TIGHT AS YOU GUYS KNOW.
WELL, AND ANOTHER THING ABOUT PANHANDLE, THE, THE GEOMETRICS OF THAT ROOM OKAY.
ARE A LOT MORE DIFFICULT THAN SOME OF THE OTHER ROOMS THAT YOU HAVE.
WHICH IS GONNA MAKE IT EXPENSIVE PER MILE EVEN BY, BY THAT I MEAN IT'S THIS AND THIS.
IT'S LIKE A SNAKE IN PLACES
AND I I I, I MAY BE MISTAKEN, BUT IT SEEMS LIKE SOME YEARS BACK IT WAS TALKED ABOUT THEN TO, AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, I WANNA SAY SOME OF THE RESIDENTS DIDN'T REALLY WANT IT PAID BECAUSE IT WOULD INCREASE THE PASS THROUGH TRAFFIC JUST TO KEEP THAT IN MIND TOO.
AND THEY WERE PROBABLY THE ONES THAT LIVED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.
BUT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT DOING SOMETHING ON ONE END OR THE OTHER WHERE YOU HAVE INCREASED TRAFFIC.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE FOR CONSIDERATION NOW WE, WE, WE ENCOUNTER THAT AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S A TOUGH DECISION FOR THE BOARD TO RIGHT.
THE THING IS THERE'S UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT YEAR THAT WAS, BUT WE'VE GOT TWO, I KNOW TWO GATED COMMUNITIES UP THERE THAT ARE GROWING ALL THE TIME, UM, IN, IN THE AMOUNT OF HOUSES.
THEN YOU'VE GOT THE CAMPGROUND, WHATEVER THAT ENDS UP BEING.
UM, SO IT'S, IT IS REALLY GROWING UP THERE.
IT'S NOT JUST THE OCCASIONAL GO THROUGH.
THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE LIVING UP THERE.
IS IT THE NORTH END OR THE SOUTH END THAT'S GOT THE 600, THE NORTH END 600 IS ON THE SIX 19 END.
WHEN YOU COME ACROSS THE BRIDGE THAT END'S GOT ABOUT 200 SOMEWHERE.
SO MOST OF THE TRAFFIC, I WOULD SAY IS COMING IN THAT NORTH END, GOING INTO THE, THE DEVELOPMENTS, WHATEVER TURN AROUND KIND OF BACK OUT RIGHT.
AS OPPOSED TO GOING ALL THE WAY THROUGH.
THAT'S THE SECTION WE WORKED ON LAST, RIGHT? YEAH.
WE'VE DONE A PIECE ON THE SOUTH AND A PIECE FROM THE BRIDGE RIGHT UP MILE OR SO MM-HMM
AND THEN FROM SIX 19 TO MILE OR SO HALF MILE SOUTH, WHATEVER IT WAS, THE, THE PART COURSE, LIKE I SAID, IT'D BE NICE IF THE WHOLE THING CAN GET DONE.
THE PART ON MY END IS THAT I GET THE MOST COMPLAINTS ABOUT AND ASKED FREQUENTLY FOR IT TO BE GRADED, UM, IS FROM THE END OF WHERE THE PAVING STOPPED RIGHT THERE AT THE ENTRANCE THAT MR. I WANTS, UM, TO GO INTO HIS PROPERTY THERE UP TO THE TOP OF THAT HILL.
IT'S SUCH A STEEP INCLINE AND IT WASH BOARDS SO BAD.
OF COURSE I CAN'T CONVINCE THE PEOPLE THAT YOUR SPEED IS WHAT'S HELPING MAKE THE WASHBOARD.
UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT IS I'VE HAD PEOPLE'S, YOU KNOW, RESCUE SQUAD PERSONNEL TELL ME THAT THEY'VE HAD TO GO OUT THE FAR END INSTEAD OF TURNING AND COMING BACK THROUGH BENTONVILLE BECAUSE IT WAS TOO PAINFUL THE, THE JARRING OF THE PATIENT.
HOW, HOW LONG A SECTION IS THAT? UM, THAT'S NOT REAL LONG.
NO, I'D, I'D SAY I KNOW SOMETHING THAT WE COULD MAYBE USE FOUR OF A MILE MAYBE OR SO YEAH.
THAT FIRST, NEXT HAVE SOME MONEY IN THE COUNTYWIDE, UM, THAT COULD BE UTILIZED TO DO A SEGMENT.
ESPECIALLY IF IT'S A, IF IT'S WHERE WE'RE CONSTANTLY HAVING MAINTENANCE ISSUES AND GOING OUT THERE, IF WE CAN DO A 10TH OF A MILE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT AND USE STATE FORCES TO KIND OF KEEP THE COST DOWN THERE THAT HE ALL GETS BAD ENOUGH THAT I'VE MOVED LOADER THROUGH OUR AND HAD BACK LOAD BOY BACK DOWN UNCHAINED LOADER AND RUN IT UP TO THE TONGUE TO KEEP IT FROM SPINNING OUT TO GET UP THAT DAMN HILL AND THEN GET TO THE TOP AND BACK MACHINE BACK WHERE IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO, AND THEN CHAIN IT BACK DOWN AND MOVE AGAIN.
WELL, THE COUNTY HAS SOMETHING CALLED COSI MONEY, WHICH IS COUNTY SAFETY IMPROVE OPERAT.
BUT IN CASES LIKE THIS, WHERE WE HAVE A SEVERE MAINTENANCE ISSUE ON A HEEL SOMETIMES, AND, AND WE'LL HAVE TO, SOMETIMES WE CAN USE THOSE FUNDS TO GO IN AND JUST HARD SURFACE THE HILL.
IT WOULDN'T BE TIED TO ANYTHING, BUT IT STOPS THAT WASH POINT.
NO, I APPRECIATE Y'ALL KEEPING IT ON THE RADAR FOR, THERE WAS ANOTHER ROAD TOO, I DON'T KNOW THE STATE NUMBER, BUT ANYWAY, IT'S OFF SMA HOLLOW, OREGON HOLLOW COMES OUT ON UH, VILLE ROAD.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? I, I KNOW THE AREA, BUT I CAN'T, I'M NOT SORRY BECAUSE I MEAN, SOME YEARS BACK THEY DID DO AN IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S RIGHT THERE WHERE THE, UH, PLAYGROUND IS.
AND YOU SAW THAT ON THROUGH AND THAT THAT WAS IN, I THINK SOMETHING TOO, I THINK PEOPLE THAT RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, THEY DIDN'T REALLY WANNA SEE THE WHOLE
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THING PAVED EITHER.BUT I, AND I THINK THERE'S, IT'S, IT'S CERTAIN AMOUNTS PAVED FROM VILLE ROAD, UH, SO FAR.
AND THEN FROM DISMAL HOLLOW AND ACTUALLY I THINK IT'S WIDENED UP.
THEY'VE GOT THE YELLOW LINES AT IT TOO.
I JUST DIDN'T KNOW IF THAT'S ANYWHERE ON THE RADAR AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN TOO.
IT'S WHAT, RIGHT THERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE IT'S NOT PAVED.
IT'S, THAT'S A TOUGH LITTLE SPOT TOO.
AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO, I REMEMBER WHEN YOU SAID WE HAD A PUBLIC HEARING AND MAYBE THAT WAS SOME OTHER PROJECTS, BUT IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME THAT, I DUNNO IF IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING WHERE Y'ALL HAD EASEL SET UP AND STUFF LIKE THAT, AND PEOPLE KIND OF WALK AROUND AND LOOK AT THE DIFFERENT PROJECTS.
IS THAT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OR Y'ALL DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE? OR AM I IMAGINING NOW? UH, WE, WE DON'T GENERALLY DO THAT ON THE SECONDARY
LIKE WHEN WE DID THE QUADRANT OUT HERE, UH, WHEN WE DID ROCK AND ROAD, YOU KNOW, ANY OF THOSE BIG PROJECTS, THEN WE HAVE A, A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE SET UP ALL DISPLAYS AND EACH OF THE AREA SPECIALIST IS THERE TO ANSWER QUESTIONS AS THE PUBLIC GOES THROUGH, SAYS, YOU KNOW, WHAT ABOUT, USUALLY IT'S PART OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND LIKE A SMART SCALE PROJECT THAT'S FUNDED FOR THAT OR LIKE WHAT THE SOUTH STREET PROJECT, I WAS GONNA SAY SOUTH STREET HAS DONE AT THE LIBRARY, THE LAST THREE OR FOUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ON THE SECONDARY SIXTH YEAR PLAN HERE.
AND IN ONE OF OUR OTHER COUNTIES, NOBODY CAME.
NO ONE CAME AND THEN THEY WERE NOT HAPPY ABOUT ROADS.
AND I WAS, THEY'VE BEEN ON THE PLAN FOR FIVE OR SIX YEARS AND WE'D HAD A PUBLIC HEARING EVERY YEAR.
SO MAYBE THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARING 'CAUSE THE ROADS WEREN'T VERY GOOD.
I'M SORRY? I SAID MAYBE THEY COULDN'T GET TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS 'CAUSE THE ROADS WEREN'T VERY GOOD TO GET THERE.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SECONDARY ROAD.
WHEN, WHEN DO WE, WHAT ABOUT, DO THEY STILL DO THE, THE PRIMARY ROAD? THE PRIMARY ROADS ARE DONE AND THE, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THAT IS SET UP ON THE 28TH AT BLUE RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE.
THE PRIMARY ROADS ARE HANDLED, UH, WITH SMART SCALE.
SO MOST OF THE LOCALITIES THAT APPLIED, UH, OR THAT, UH, THESE ARE BIG REGIONAL TYPE THINGS.
AND MOST OF THE LOCALITIES HAVE APPLIED FOR THAT SMART SCALE MONEY.
UH, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO WE, WE HAVE AT OUR DISTRICT OFFICE THAT GUIDE THEM THROUGH THE PROCESS.
THEY HAVE AN IDEA OF WHETHER IT'S GOT A CHANCE OR NOT.
AND SO IF IT'S GOT A CHANCE, THEN THEY'LL WORK WITH THE INDIVIDUALITIES TO PUT IT TOGETHER.
IF THEY KNOW, BASED ON ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS FOR SMART SCALE, WHICH I ADMIT, I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE THEY CHANGED REGULARLY.
UH, IF IT DOESN'T HAVE A CHANGE, THEY'LL DISCOURAGE THE COUNTY MOVING FORWARD.
AND I THINK WARREN COUNTY HAS A COUPLE.
WE DO ONE, UH, FOR HIGH KNOB AND THEN ONE FOR THREE 40 SOUTH AND HIGH NOBS BEEN APPROVED AND THE THREE FORTY'S BEEN APPROVED.
SO WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THE, UH, AT THE BLUE RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGE, AND I BELIEVE IT'S THE 28TH, I BELIEVE IT'S THE SAME NIGHT AT THE RAILS, THE TRAIL IN TIMBERVILLE, UH, YOU WILL SEE THOSE BIG PROJECTS THERE.
AND MAINLY IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LOCALITY TO STAND UP AND TALK TO THE, UH, THE COMMISSIONER AND THE SECRETARY AND THE CTB AND EXPRESS THEIR NEEDS.
UM, LET'S SEE, THE STANTON DISTRICT SIX YEAR IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, PUBLIC MEETING WILL START 4:00 PM TUESDAY, APRIL 28TH.
AND THEN THAT'S AT BLUE RIDGE.
WE JUST GOT AN EMAIL FROM AMANDA SHANK FROM VDOT.
SO, AND IT SAYS THERE'LL BE AWARDED SOMETHING ABOUT JUNE 1ST SCANNING IT THERE.
BUT, UM, AND I DID SEE A GROUP OF PEOPLE OUT ON THREE 40 A WEEK OR SO AGO, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT AREAS GONNA START, OR AT LEAST IT'S BEING LOOKED AT A LITTLE MORE AS TO GETTING STARTED.
NO, FOR THE
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CONJUNCTION WITH THE REPAVING? BECAUSE I THINK THEY DID PORTION OF THREE 40 LAST YEAR TO LIME AND, AND I THOUGHT YOU SAID IT WAS, I I'LL HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE, BUT WHAT, WHAT OBVIOUSLY THEY, THAT TIES THE, I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SCHEDULE.ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT ANY, ANY OF THIS? IF NOT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU GONNA STOP AT THE MELTING POT BEFORE YOU GO HOME,
[N.2. Discussion — Text Amendment Supervisor Sponsorship Procedures]
SO WE NEED TO ADD A CLOSED SESSION.I'M, I'M IN SUCH A HURRY TO GET OUTTA HERE THAT I'M JUST SKIPPING OVER THAT TEXT AMENDMENT.
UM, SUPERVISOR SPONSORSHIP PROCEDURES.
SO IS THAT YOURS, MR. HAM OR WHOSE IS THAT? I ASKED FOR THAT TO BE.
I ASKED FOR THAT TO BE ON THERE JUST BECAUSE I WANTED TO HAVE SOME CONSISTENCY.
I KNOW THAT THERE WAS, UM, AND I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURE IS BEFORE MY TIME, HOW THAT WORKS.
I KNOW THAT I THINK, UH, A CITIZEN REQUESTED A TEXT AMENDMENT AND I THINK IT WAS SUPPORTED BY THE BOARD.
IT WENT TO PLANNING, ZONING, WHOEVER.
I THINK IT WAS A BEEKEEPER, AND WE RECOMMENDED, OR THEY COULD GO AHEAD AND PURSUE THAT ON THEIR OWN.
AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT PROBABLY A MINIMUM OF $2,000 FOR ADVERTISING, FOR STAFF TIME FOR LEGAL AND THE WHOLE THING.
AND I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S FAIR THAT ONE CITIZEN GETS A FREE RIDE AND EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO PAY.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCEDURES WERE AS FAR AS A TEXT AMENDMENT.
MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WHETHER IT'S A CITIZEN, WHETHER IT'S A BOARD DRIVEN, THAT IN ORDER TO GO FORWARD, IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST A MAJORITY OF VOTES TO, UH, DECIDE HOW TO PURSUE THAT.
YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO HAVE A STANDARD AND STAND TO IT BECAUSE THAT'S, UM, IT'S, IT'S NOT A, A GOOD LOOK, NUMBER ONE.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S NOT FAIR.
UM, AND WE NEED TO, TO MAKE SURE WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WITH DOING THINGS.
SO, UM, MS. MEADOWS, WOULD THAT BE, UH, PLANNING TO DO, UM, THAT POLICY? OKAY.
SO WE JUST NEED TO GIVE THE DIRECTIVE TO, TO DO THAT AND BRING IT TO US TO LOOK AT AND FORMALIZE.
I WOULD THINK THAT WE WOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME.
AND AGAIN, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE HOUSEKEEPING, SO SHOULD BE ON AN EVENING MEETING.
AND I WOULD THINK WE WOULD HAVE TIME FOR STAFF PLANNING OR WHATEVER TO COME UP WITH A RECOMMENDATION BY THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH I THINK IS THE 22ND.
SO WE COULD HAVE IT ON THE AGENDA THERE IF EVERYBODY'S AMENABLE.
AND THIS WAY IT GIVES A COUPLE WEEKS, UH, TIME FOR, UH, FOR THE BOARD TO, UH, CONSIDER ANY RECOMMENDATION.
DOES THAT GIVE YOU ENOUGH TIME, MR. HAM, TO REVIEW IT AND SO FORTH? ARE YOU PLANNING ON TAKING IT THROUGH THE PLANNING COMMISSION? I THINK THE PLAN, WELL, NO, I THINK THE PLANNING I COMMISSION COULD GIVE A, OR, OR THE PLANNING DIRECTOR OR, OR WHATEVER COULD GIVE THEIR, HER RECOMMENDATION.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THIS IS A, A LONG, IT'S JUST WHATEVER THE BOARD WANTS TO DO.
I MEAN, IT CAN BE A MAJORITY, IT CAN BE TWO, IT CAN BE ONE.
WELL, YOU USUALLY REVIEW HOW IT'S WRITTEN.
I TWO WEEKS IS PLENTY OF TIME.
YEAH, I, I WOULD AGREE THAT IT, IT SHOULD BE A, OH, IN OTHER WORDS, THAT THE MAR MAJORITY OF THE BOARD FELT THAT IT WAS ALL BENEFICIAL FOR THE WHOLE COMMUNITY, EVEN THOUGH ONE PERSON WAS BRINGING IT FORWARD.
YOU KNOW, MAYBE YOU WOULD FOREGO THE FEES, BUT IF IT'S MAJORITY OF THE BOARD DOESN'T FEEL THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD, THEY WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT THAN ANY OTHER APPLICANT AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THEIR FEES, UH, TO COVER ALL THOSE ADVERTISING COSTS AND, AND STAFF.
I, I, I'D AGREE TO, TO THAT, THAT IT WOULD HAVE TO BE AT LEAST A MAJORITY.
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UM, THE CLOSED SESSION AND DO WE NEED TO VOTE TO ADD THIS TOO? YEAH, I, YOU'D SAY I MOVED TO ADD A CLOSED SESSION[02:20:01]
TO DISCUSS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.RIGHT, BUT BEFORE WE DO THAT, THAT'S CLOSED.
WE NEED, IT NEEDS TO BE ON THE WORK SESSION AGENDA.
UM, WE, I NEED A MOTION TO ADD THE WORK SESSION.
I MEAN THE CLOSED SESSION TO THE WORK SESSION.
NOW IF YOU WOULD READ US INTO CLOSED SESSION, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
I MOVE THE BOARD, ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, DEMOTION, SALARIES, OR RESIGNATION OF A SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICER OF THE PUBLIC BODY.
THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.
ALRIGHT, WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION.
ALL RIGHT, MR. CARTER, WOULD YOU READ US OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM.
UH, I MOVE IF THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSE MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY.
AND IS THERE ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? THE MADAM CHAIR HAVE AN ANNOUNCEMENT TO MAKE? YES, SIR.
I WOULD LIKE TO APOLOGIZE TO DR. MARTIN FOR EVALUATING HIS PERFORMANCE IN PUBLIC WITHOUT OFFERING HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND IN A PRIVATE SETTING.
THIS WAS AN OVERSIGHT ON MY PART FOR WHICH I DO MAKE A SINCERE APOLOGY TO DR. MARTIN.
UM, IS THERE ANY OTHER BUSINESS TO DISCUSS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND SAFE TRIP HOME.