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[I. Call to Order]
WE'LL CALL THE APRIL 8TH, 2026 MEETING OF WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSIONED.THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE RISE AS YOU'RE ABLE FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE THE MATTER TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH STANDS, NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
[III. Adoption of the Agenda ]
IS THE ADOPTION OF OUR AGENDA FOR TONIGHT.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE TO THE MINUTES I HAVE, WE'RE NOT, OH, SORRY.
OKAY, NOW WE'RE GOING TO THE MINUTES
[IV. Adoption of the Regular Meeting Minutes ]
OF MARCH 11TH, 2026.UH, WE'RE MISSING ON THE MOTION FOR APPROVING THE MINUTES.
THE UH, PERSON THAT MADE THE NOTE.
AND THE SECOND IN THE MINUTES? YEAH.
AND I DON'T REMEMBER WHO DID WHAT.
I CAN FIND OUT AND MAKE THAT MODIFICATION AS CHAIRMAN.
SO DO WE HAVE TO DELAY THE APPROVAL THEN OR CAN WE APPROVE IT AS AMENDED? YOU COULD JUST PASS OVER.
YOU COULD JUST, UH, EITHER PROVISIONALLY UH, PASS IT OR PROBABLY BEST THING WOULD BE TO JUST CONTINUE IT UNTIL NEXT MEETING AND, AND APPROVE THE MINUTES AT THAT TIME.
OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE CONTINUE THE MINUTES UNTIL NEXT MEETING.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED MINUTES ARE CONTINUED.
NEXT ITEM IS PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS.
PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS ARE LIMITED TO ISSUES THAT ARE NOT INCLUDED ON THE MEETING AGENDA.
IT'S INTENDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE PUBLIC TO GIVE INPUT ON RELATIVE PLANNING ISSUES AND NOT INTENDED AS A QUESTION AND ANSWER PERIOD.
SO IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT, IT'S NOT ON OUR AGENDA, PLEASE COME FORWARD.
OUR RULES OF ENGAGEMENT ARE POSTED.
I'LL ELABORATE ON THOSE IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES AND THEN FROM THERE JUST TELL US, TELL US WHAT'S ON YOUR MIND.
OKAY? WE DO HAVE A FEW PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC.
OH, ACTUALLY NO, I'M LOOKING AT THE WRONG SHEET.
[VI.A. CUP2026-03-01 - Church - 0 Russ Johnson Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a church. The property is located at 0 Russ Johnson Road and is identified on tax map 28R, section 2, as lot 4. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
PUBLIC HEARINGS.FIRST ONE CUP 20 26 0 3 0 1 CHURCH ON RUST JOHNSON ROAD.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH.
IT'S LOCATED IN RUST JOHNSON ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 28 R SECTION TWO AS LOT FOUR.
PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURALS LOCATED IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WALL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A CHURCH FOR THE PROPERTY IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 28 R.
SECTION TWO IS LOT FOUR, WHICH IS CURRENTLY OWNED BY SOUTH FORK RIVERSIDE CAMPGROUND.
THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY WITH A 4,800 SQUARE FOOT CHURCH IN ASSOCIATED PARKING AREAS.
A CONCEPTUAL SKETCH PLAT PREPARED BY JOE BROGAN WAS SUBMITTED WITH THIS APPLICATION AND SHOWS THE PROPOSED CHURCH AND PARKING LOT.
THE APPLICANT PLANS TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY TO ALLOW FOR A CAPACITY OF 80 PEOPLE WITH SERVICES PRIMARILY HELD ON SUNDAYS AND OCCASIONAL WEEKDAY EVENING MEETINGS.
THE PROPERTY IS PROPOSED TO BE ACCESSED FROM RUSS JOHNSON, ROUTE SIX 80, WHICH IS REGULATED AND MAINTAINED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
THE PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS.
THERE ARE NO ACTIVE ZONING VIOLATIONS ON FILE FOR THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA TO BE USED FOR RESIDENTIAL AND AGRICULTURAL LAND.
USES A CHURCH IS A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT AND IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
THERE ARE NO SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS IN THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE FOR A CHURCH.
RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS ARE BASED ON COMMENTS RECEIVED BY THE WARREN COUNTY BUILDING OFFICIAL WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS AND STATE AGENCIES.
THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET COUNTY ZONING REQUIREMENTS FOR OFF STREET PARKING AND OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C DEFINES CHURCH AS A PLACE WHERE PERSONS REGULARLY ASSEMBLE EXCLUSIVELY FOR WORSHIP.
THE TERM CHURCH INCLUDES THE TERM SYNAGOGUE, MOSQUE, MONASTERY, OR OTHER TERMS FOR HOUSE OF WORSHIP AND SHALL INCLUDE WHERE APPROPRIATE REAL ESTATE OF NOT MORE THAN 250 ACRES.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH ACREAGE IS OR IS TO BE DEVOTED EXCLUSIVELY TO A CHURCH BUILDING.
CHAPEL MONASTERY CEMETERY OFFICES USED ONLY FOR ADMINISTRATIVE
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PURPOSES OF THE CHURCH A SUNDAY SCHOOL BUILDING CHURCH MONS PERS UM, PARSONAGE OR RECTORY PLAYGROUNDS, RECREATION AREAS OR PARKING LOTS FOR THE CONVENIENCE OF THOSE ATTENDING.ANY OF THE FOREGOING PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSE TO REC CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE CHAPEL OCCUPANCY SHALL NOT EXCEED THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS DETERMINED BY THE VIRGINIA UNIFORM STATEWIDE BUILDING CODE AND VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH APPROVAL FOR AN ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM, WHICHEVER IS FEWEST.
THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL QUALITY, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN SHOWING PARCEL BOUNDARIES, PROPOSED BUILDING FOOTPRINTS, DIMENSIONS OF PROPOSED BUILDINGS, SETBACKS FROM BUILDINGS TO NEAREST PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, INGRESS AND EGRESS INTERNAL ACCESS ROADS, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, PARKING INCLUDING HANDICAP PARKING AND PUBLIC UTILITY INFRASTRUCTURE AND EASEMENTS OR PRIVATE WELL SEPTIC AND DRAIN FIELD LOCATIONS TO THE COUNTY.
PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF BUILDING AND ZONING PERMITS, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 15 FOR OFF STREET PARKING FOR A CHURCH AND CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 49.2 FOR LIGHT, UM, OUTDOOR LIGHTING.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER FIVE, THE APPLICANT SHALL MEET ALL PERMITTING REQUIREMENTS AND COMPLETE THE NECESSARY ENTRANCE.
ENTRANCE IMPROVEMENTS AS IDENTIFIED AND RECOMMENDED BY THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY FOR THE STRUCTURE BY THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? NO.
WITH THAT WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WE WILL FOLLOW THE RULES OF ENGAGEMENT WHEN IF YOU COME UP TO SPEAK YOU'RE LIMITED TO THREE MINUTES.
BESIDES THAT, I'D LIKE TO ADD A COUPLE OF OTHERS.
THE FIRST ONE, AND I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO SAY THIS IN THIS ROOM, BUT IT'S AMAZING THAT COMES UP, IS WE DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR POLITICS IS.
THE SECOND ONE, IF YOU'VE GOT A POINT TO MAKE AND A SPEAKER IN FRONT OF YOU MAKES THE SAME POINT, YOU DON'T NEED TO MAKE THE POINT.
AGAIN, PLEASE COME FORWARD AND SAY I AGREE WITH SO AND SO AND WE CAN GO FROM THERE.
ALLISON, WHO'S FIRST? WE DON'T HAVE ANYONE.
NO ONE SIGNED UP? NOT FOR THIS ONE.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK THEN FOR AGAINST LAST CALL? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
WELL, YOU WORD SMITH WANTED TO A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
20 26 0 3 0 1 FOR CHURCH WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
IT'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THEY WILL PROBABLY TAKE IT UP IN ABOUT A MONTH.
[VI.B. CUP2026-03-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 112 Woods Way - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 112 Woods Way and is identified on tax map 11E as lot 32. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
CUP 20 26 0 3 0 2.SHORT TERM TOURIST STRE ONE 12 WOODS WAY, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST.
STRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT ONE 12 WOODS WAY IDENTIFIED AT TAX MAP.
PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY CONSTRUCTED IN 2005.
THE APPLICANT WISHES TO ESTABLISH A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL IN COMPLIANCE WITH ALL APPLICABLE COUNTY REGULATIONS TO PROMOTE SUSTAINABLE LAND USE, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND COMMUNITY VITALITY.
AND TO OFFSET THE COST OF MAINTAINING A SECOND HOME, THE APPLICANT HAS HIRED A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER OUT OF STEVEN CITY WHO RESIDES 7.3 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION THAT IS GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR POA AND THEY HAVE SUBMITTED COMMENTS WHICH HAVE BEEN PROVIDED TO YOU IN YOUR AGENDA PACKET.
I WILL ADD THAT WE ALSO RECEIVED COMMENTS FROM A NEIGHBOR, WHICH YOU HAVE ALSO BEEN PROVIDED WITH A COPY, WITH A LIST OF CONCERNS.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 846 FEET TO THE EAST.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
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THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND A COPY OF THAT SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I AM NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT HAS MADE IT THIS EVENING.
I DO NOT BELIEVE HE'S HERE WITH US.
ALL RIGHT, THEN WE WILL CONTINUE ON THEN.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
NOT SURE IF THE APPLICANT JUST JOINED US, BUT OKAY.
A ONE CARE TO SPEAK FOR OR AGAINST PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED IN A WAY I CAN KIND UNDERSTAND THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERNS, BUT ANOTHER WAY HE IS 1.6 TENTHS OF A MILE AWAY FROM THE BUILDING.
YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THEIR CONCERNS AND IF I LIVED THERE, WOULD I HAVE CONCERNS? BUT WE HAVE THIS, WE HAVE THIS SYSTEM.
AND THEY'RE WELL WITHIN WHAT THE REQUIREMENTS ARE.
UM, SO I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH.
AND AS WE'VE ALWAYS STATED BEFORE, SHORT TERM RENTALS, THERE'S LESS TRAFFIC AND ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THIS BIG.
YOU'RE GOING TO, SOMEONE'S GONNA BE WELL HEALED THAT'S USING THAT.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING GET A BUNCH OF KIDS.
AND AND THE THING OF IT IS, IT'S MOST, THE MOST OF THE TIME THAT IT'S GONNA BE OCCUPIED IS WEEKEND SUNDAY.
THEY'RE GONNA BE TRAVELING IN, THEY'RE SPENDING A WEEKEND THERE, THEY'RE LEAVING, THEY'RE GOING HOME WHEN THEY'RE DONE.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE RUNNING IN AND OUT IF THEY'RE GONNA HAVE A PARTY, THEY'RE USUALLY GONNA HAVE AT HOME.
NOW THERE'S THE THING, WHEN THEY DO, THE THING THAT THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BECOME EDUCATED ON IS THAT THERE ARE THINGS THEY CAN DO MM-HMM
AND, AND, AND SOMEHOW THEY NEED TO GET EDUCATED THAT YOU CALL AND COMPLAIN WHEN THERE'S A PROBLEM.
IT STARTS WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.
AND ALSO TOO, CUP STANDS FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF SOMEONE, IF SOMEONE IS NOT FOLLOWING THE CONDITIONS THAT SET FORTH THIS PERMIT CAN AND WILL BE REVOKED.
AND ONE THING I'VE NOTICED, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS STAFF'S DIRECTION OR NOT ALL, ALL THE MANAGE OR UH, THE MANAGEMENT PLANS WE HAVE HERE FOR THESE HAVE THE NOISE RESTRICTION ORDINANCE INCLUDED IN IT.
SO IT'S YES, WE HAVE ASKED, WE, UM, WE HAVE A TEMPLATE THAT'S AVAILABLE TO ALL APPLICANTS THAT WE ASK THEM TO, ESSENTIALLY IT'S, IT'S THERE FOR THEM TO UTILIZE AND, AND FOLLOW.
UM, BUT IT IS A REQUIREMENT THAT THEY HAVE TO POST THE NOISE ORDINANCE ON SITE.
UM, AND WE ALSO LIKE TO HAVE IT IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
SO THEY, THEY WILL HAVE A COPY OF THE NOISE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL.
SO THAT, THE GOOD THING ABOUT THAT IS THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALREADY ON NOTICE.
SO THE SHERIFF IF CALLED MM-HMM
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED HERE AND THERE.
AND WITH ENOUGH, WITH ENOUGH ISSUES, THEN THAT PERMIT GETS PULLED.
SO ANY OTHER DISCUSSIONS? NOPE, THIS IS, I'M FINE.
YOU WEREN'T READY FOR A MOTION BESIDES ME.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARDS THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITHIN THE RECOMMENDATION TO PROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
20 26 0 3 0 2 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AS BE FORWARDED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
[VI.C. CUP2026-03-03 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 375 Orchard Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 375 Orchard Road and is identified on tax map 31E, section 1, block 3, as lot 3. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Happy Creek Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
CUP 20 26 0 3 0 3.SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 3 75 ORCHARD ROAD.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 3 75 ORCHARD ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 31 E SECTION ONE BLOCK THREE AS LOT THREE PROPERTIES OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE HAPPY CREEK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY HE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
THE OWNER WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO HELP OFFSET THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH OWNING AND MAINTAINING A SECOND HOME, WHILE ENSURING THAT THE DWELLING IS RESPONSIBLY MANAGED YEAR ROUND AND SUPPORTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY THROUGH SPENDING AT NEARBY RESTAURANTS, WINERIES, AND SMALL BUSINESSES IN WARREN COUNTY, THE OWNER AND A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF
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THE RENTAL PROPERTY.NO PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS HAVE BEEN ISSUED FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY FOR LAND USES IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONING DISTRICT.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT CONSTRUCTION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF INDICATING THAT HAMILTON HANDMAN IS LOCATED IN FRONT ROYAL, WHICH IS 11 MILES AWAY, 21 MINUTES EXACT FROM THE SUBJECT DWELLING AND WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 1076 FEET TO THE SOUTHWEST PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION WITH NO CHANGES.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED I AM.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
UM, APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? OKAY, THANK YOU.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
THIS ONE ACTUALLY DOES HAVE SOME PEOPLE.
I AM NOT GOING TO BUTCHER YOUR LAST NAME.
I COULD TAKE A FAIR STAB AT IT, BUT I DON'T, I DO.
UM, MY NAME IS SUSAN MIZ AND I'M A RESIDENT OF MOSLEY MOUNTAIN STATES AND I'M PRESENTLY ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS.
I LIVE AT 24 OLD ORCHARD ROAD.
I'M HERE CONCERNING THE REQUEST OF LOT THREE ON OLD ORCHARD ROAD FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE INFRASTRUCTURE STRAIN AS WE HAVE PRIVATE GRAVEL ROADS THAT ARE NOT SUITABLE FOR INCREASED TRAFFIC FROM TRANSIENT RENTERS, AS WELL AS THE SAFETY HAZARDS.
THEY ALSO PRESENT ANY EXTRA REPAIR COSTS THAT OCCUR ON THE ROADS FROM THIS WOULD FALL ON THE SMALL HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
OUR COMMUNITY WAS DESIGNED FOR SINGLE FAMILY OWNER OCCUPIED HOMES OR LONG-TERM, EXCUSE ME, LONG-TERM RENTALS.
NOT HOTEL-LIKE SHORT TERM TRANSIENT RENTALS.
SHORT-TERM RENTALS WOULD VIOLATE THE QUIET RESIDENTIAL NATURE OF OUR COMMUNITY.
POLICING NOISE VIOLATIONS OR ANY OTHER VIOLATIONS FROM TRANSIENT RENTERS OR THEIR GUEST BEHAVIOR WOULD BE CHALLENGING.
SINCE THE OWNER DOES NOT LIVE IN THE AREA TO MONITOR UNACCEPTABLE COMMUNITY BEHAVIOR, I ASK THAT YOU DO NOT GIVE LOT THREE ON OLD ORCHARD ROAD, A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WOULD FOREVER CHANGE THE QUIET BUCOLIC GOALS OF OUR SMALL PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
I OWN LOT SEVEN A, WHICH IS ADJACENT TO LOT THREE.
WE'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF YEARS, AND IT'S ONLY IN THE RECENT SEVERAL YEARS THAT THE ROAD HAS BEEN MAINTAINED TO THE POINT THAT IT'S SOMEWHAT PASSABLE.
IT'S A VERY RURAL GRAVEL ROAD.
UH, WE HAVE A LOT OF WILDLIFE UP THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF HUNTING THAT GOES ON.
I JUST DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S IN THE BEST INTEREST TO OPEN THIS UP TO SHORT TERM RESIDENTS WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA.
THE PROPERTIES AREN'T REALLY MARKED SO HUNTERS CAN PASS THROUGH MULTIPLICITY OF AREAS.
IT'S ADDS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF RISK TO PEOPLE THAT AREN'T FAMILIAR THAT COME AND SPEND THE WEEKEND IF YOU HAVE HUNTERS IN THE AREA.
HONEY, I'VE SUBMITTED A, UH, COMMS SECTION LAST NIGHT, SO HOPEFULLY YOU HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT I'M JUST BASICALLY OPPOSED TO SHORT TERM RENTALS CONCERNING THIS PROPERTY.
DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK AS WELL?
THANK YOU CHAIRMAN MEYERS AND MEMBERS, UM, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO, MAAM, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
OH, I'M VALERIE MAXEY AND I'M A PROPERTY OWNER OF LOT SEVEN A, WHICH WILL BE, IS DEFINITELY UNDER THE THOUSAND, UM, METERS OR FEET RATHER, UM, ADJOINING PROPERTY.
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WILL BE LESS THAN THAT BY A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT.UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO ADDRESS ALL OF YOU TODAY, AND I THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY.
I, WITH MY HUSBAND, AGREE THAT I WOULD OPPOSE TO HAVE A SHORT TERM RENTAL DIRECTLY ACROSS CATTY CORNER FROM OUR PROPERTY.
UM, AS MY HUSBAND SAID, THE PROPERTIES ARE NOT MARKED.
PEOPLE DO GO WANDERING DOWN THE ROADS, WHICH ARE GRAVEL ROADS, DIRT ROADS.
UM, THERE ARE MANY TIMES WHERE YOU HAVE TO PULL OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD IN ORDER TO PASS ANOTHER ONCOMING CAR.
THE ROADS ARE, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS NOT, UM, CONDUCIVE TO A LOT OF TRAFFIC.
FOR THOSE THAT ARE UNKNOWN TO THE PROPERTIES UP THERE.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE UP THERE, IT IS PITCH BLACK.
THERE IS NO WAY TO SEE YOUR, YOUR SURROUNDINGS ON THE PROPERTY.
SO IF YOU GO OUT WANDERING AT NIGHT, YOU DEFINITELY ARE NEEDING FLASHLIGHTS, SOME TYPE OF LIGHTING.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT COMMENTS YESTERDAY.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UM, REVIEW THOSE.
I HAD QUESTIONS ON THE STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION ON THE, THE REMARKS THAT WERE MADE IN THERE.
SO IF YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THOSE, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHTS.
UM, MAYBE AT A LATER TIME OR JUST THOUGHTS FOR THE FUTURE AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD.
UM, OUR THOUGHT WAS IN THE, UM, WHAT IS IT? THE SUMMARY OF REQUEST.
IT STATES, UM, ITEM I, UM, A SECTION ABOUT THE PROPERTY NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA, UH, WHERE IT MENTIONS SHORT TERM RENTALS.
WE DO NOT, WE HAVE AN HOA ON ALL OF THE PROPERTIES UP THERE IN MOSBY MOUNTAINS.
AND I FEEL THAT MAYBE THIS SHOULD BE KICKED BACK TO THE HOA TO ADDRESS FIRST.
IT WAS NOT EVER ENTERED IN THE HOA BECAUSE THE HOA IS WRITTEN BEFORE THESE ISSUES HAVE, UM, SURFACED IN THIS AREA.
SO, UM, I DO OPPOSE AT THIS TIME.
THANK YOU LINDA AND BUTCH KHAN.
CAN I LIVE ON, UH, MOSBY SPRINGS ROAD? I'VE BEEN THERE FOR OVER 21 YEARS, PROBABLY 23 OR 24 BECAUSE WE BUILT OUR HOUSE OURSELF, TOOK A WHILE.
ANYWAY, OUR, I I AM OPPOSED BECAUSE OUR ROADS ARE PRIVATE ROADS.
THEY'RE MAINTAINED BY OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE YEARS AGO OUR COUNTY DEEMED THEM ABANDONED ROADS.
THEY DID NOT MAINTAIN THEM EVEN THOUGH ALL OF US AT MOSBY MOUNTAIN PAID TAXES.
I FEEL AS THOUGH WE, THE MEMBERS OF MOSBY MOUNTED MOUNTAIN WERE BLINDSIDED.
IF THIS WAS WHAT THE GROOMERS WERE BUILDING THEIR HOME FOR, THEN WHY DIDN'T THEY DISCUSS THIS AIR AIRBNB WITH US BEFORE THEY BUILT IT? INSTEAD, THE ARCHITECTURAL BOARD ACCEPTED AND APPROVED THEIR PLANS AND WE ALL WATCHED THEIR HOME BEING BUILT IN ANTICIPATION, NOT KNOWING WHAT THE OUTCOME WAS GONNA BE.
OUR COMMUNITY WAS NOT DESIGNED FOR TOURISTS TO COME IN HERE.
THESE TOURISTS ARE NOT USED TO DRIVING OUR MOUNTAIN ROADS AND THEY'RE NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS AREA AND COULD ABUSE IT IN MANY WAYS.
FOR EXAMPLE, FEEDING THE BEARS, THIS ISN'T THE PLACE TO DO THIS.
AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT ALL OF OUR SAFETY.
IF THIS HAPPENS, IF THIS GETS PASSED, IT WILL OPEN A WHOLE NEW CAN OF WORMS FOR US THAT WE, THE MEMBERS OF MOSBY MOUNTAIN DID NOT SIGN UP FOR.
THIS WILL ENCOURAGE MORE PEOPLE TO BUY LOTS IN OUR SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD AND BUILD HOMES TO HAVE INVESTMENT.
AIRBNBS HERE, WHICH WE DO NOT WANT.
ALSO, THIS IS A THREE BEDROOM HOME WITH TWO AND A HALF BATHS.
HOW MANY PEOPLE WILL BE ALLOWED TO STAY? I THINK YOU DID MENTION THAT, BUT I MISSED IT.
AND HOW MANY CHILDREN WILL BE STAYING THERE? WILL THEY BE LOOKED AFTER? WHO WILL MONITOR THIS? WHO WILL GO ON? I COULD GO ON AND ON WITH QUESTIONS.
THIS AIRBNB IS A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS ONLY TO MAKE INCOME ON THEIR PROPERTY AND SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED HERE NOT TO ENJOY LIVING HERE LIKE WE DO.
ALSO, AN AIRBNB WILL RELY ON TRAFFIC FROM THE PUBLIC, WHICH AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, HAS NO BUSINESS IN OUR PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
OUR SPEED LIMIT IS 15 MILES AN HOUR IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, WHICH MOST OF US ABIDE BY.
THIS IS A PEACEFUL AREA THAT WE WANT TO KEEP.
AND I WORRY ABOUT OUR SAFETY IF THIS AIRBNB
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IS APPROVED.OUR ROADS ARE NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION AND WE DON'T REALLY NEED ANY MORE TRAFFIC THAN WHAT WE HAVE NOW.
ANYONE ELSE? DID YOU WISH TO SPEAK MR. CANN? I'M BUTCH CANN.
UH, I LIVE 6 71 MOSBY SPRING ROAD.
UH, LIKE MY WIFE SAID, WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 23 YEARS AND WE'VE BEEN THROUGH A LOT AS A COMMUNITY.
UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS IS THAT WE'VE SEEN WHERE, HEY, WE'VE LET PEOPLE IN THERE, UH, FROM DIFFERENT AREAS, OKAY? AND THEY COME IN AND WE'VE GOT PONDS.
SOME HOMEOWNERS HAVE PONDS THERE.
SO WHAT WE'VE HAD IS WE'VE HAD PEOPLE FROM OTHER COMMITTEES FROM FAIRFAX COUNTY, HEY, YOU NAME IT, GO.
AND THEY FISH IN THE PONDS ON PEOPLE'S PROPERTY.
BUT CAN YOU IMAGINE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IF YOU PUT A B AND B THERE? NOBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
WHO'S GOING TO, WHO IS GOING TO WATCH AND MAKE SURE THAT THE B AND B PEOPLE DON'T HUNT ON SOMEBODY ELSE'S PROPERTY? I DON'T THINK THIS IS, THIS IS JUST NOT RIGHT.
AND I THINK WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS, IS IS THAT, UM, IF THIS IS OPENED UP WHERE YOU OPEN THIS ONE, WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER PROPERTIES THERE.
THEY'RE UP FOR SALE RIGHT NOW.
YOU'RE GONNA FIND THOSE PEOPLE ARE GONNA WANNA DO BMBS TOO.
SO NEXT THING, YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST MAKE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY BMBS, YOU KNOW, KNOW IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT READY FOR IT.
THERE'S AN AREA WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COMMERCIAL BUSINESS, COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES ARE DOWN HERE IN THE, THIS IS COMMERCIAL BUSINESS DOWN HERE.
YOU DON'T HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN A RESIDENTIAL AREA.
IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S JUST NOT READY FOR IT.
I LIVE AT 9 4 7 MOSLEY SPRINGS ROAD.
UH, I'VE BEEN HERE ABOUT 21 YEARS AND ONE OF THE REASONS I MOVED UP THERE, 'CAUSE IT WAS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
I DIDN'T WANT TO MOVE SOMEPLACE.
AND MY, THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, THIS IS NOT A HOME NO MORE.
IT'S A BUSINESS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE SAID.
I JUST HAVING A HARD TIME ADDING SOME MORE STUFF.
UH, I HATE TO GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE ROADS, BUT OUR ROADS, I'VE WORKED ON 'EM FOR MANY YEARS AND I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING, THERE'S A LEARNING CURVE TO DRIVING ON 'EM.
EVERYBODY UP THERE KNOWS HOW TO DRIVE ON 'EM BECAUSE WE'VE LEARNED WHERE THE PULL OFFS ARE, WHERE THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN GOES DOWN.
YOU DON'T WANT TO DRIVE OFF THE MOUNTAIN
SO WE ALL KNOW WHERE EACH PULL OFF IS.
WE ALL RESPECT EACH OTHER AS WE DO THIS AND PULL OFF IN, IN THE PROPER SPOT.
WHEN PEOPLE, ONE OF THE, WHEN MOST OF THEIR BUILDERS, PEOPLE WHO'VE BEEN WORKING ON THAT HOUSE, THEY DON'T KNOW THIS.
SO WE'VE MET TRAFFIC WITH, YOU'RE DOOR TO DOOR, BUT PEOPLE, 'CAUSE THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW TO DRIVE ON THOSE ROADS.
NOW IF YOU STARTING WITH A, B AND B, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THE SAME PROBLEM AND IT COULD GET UGLY.
THANK YOU MIKE AND BRIDGET NEWMAN.
I LIVE ON 5 1 5 CHEROKEE RUN ROAD.
UM, WE'VE LIVED THERE FOR SEVEN YEARS NOW AND I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID BEFORE US.
UM, IT IS A PRIVATE COMMUNITY.
WE'VE GIVEN EASEMENT TO OUR NEIGHBORS TO PASS OUR PRIVATE LOTS THROUGH THE STREETS, BUT THE ROADS ARE NOT ROAD WORTHY.
WE DON'T HAVE LIGHTING AS IT WAS SAID BEFORE.
AND YES, THERE'S A LOT OF DANGEROUS DRIVING TO DO UP AND DOWN THAT MOUNTAIN.
TRY TO COME UP THERE IN WINTERTIME.
I MEAN, WE HAVE REALLY GOOD ROAD MAINTENANCE IN TERMS OF LIKE TRYING TO FILL THE POTHOLES AND TAKE THE ROCKS OUT AND ALL OF THAT.
BUT IT'S NOT A ROAD TO BE USED BY PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT USED TO IT.
I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD TO THOSE.
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WHAT'S BEEN SAID IS WHAT I WOULD SAY.ALLEN AND ELENA SCHOENBERG, UH, I'M, UH, SCHOENBERG, QUITE ELENA.
I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD.
UM, AGREE WITH EVERYTHING EVERYBODY ELSE HERE HAS SAID.
UH, ONE THING I WOULD ADD IS I WOULD A NICE CHUNK OF LAND RIGHT NEXT TO THEM.
AND I DO HUNT A LOT, SO THAT'S A BIG CONCERN TO ME WITH THE HUNTING.
BUT I'LL TAKE THAT IS MY, OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU.
MY NAME IS JAMES HALL AND I WAS THE FIRST PRESIDENT OF OUR ASSOCIATION 25 YEARS AGO.
HELPED WRITE THE COVENANTS, HELPED WRITE THE BYLAWS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
OUR COMMUNITY IS A PEACEFUL RESIDENTIAL COMMUNITY AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WAS WROTE 25 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WROTE IT.
IT WAS NOT WROTE FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS OR COMMERCIAL ENTITIES.
WE ARE A PRIVATE ALMOST RETIREMENT
I, UM, BUT AND I, I HAVE TO AGREE WITH ALL THAT HAS BEEN SAID BEFORE ME.
OUR ROADS ARE NOT IN THE POSITION TO HAVE STRANGERS GO UP AND DOWN THE MOUNTAIN WITHOUT KNOWING THAT THE ROADS ARE NOT TOO CAR PASSABLE.
THERE'S CORNERS THAT ARE BLIND THAT ARE NOT TWO CARS PASSABLE.
PEOPLE ARE GONNA HAVE ACCIDENTS.
YOU SAY THAT PEOPLE ARE GONNA COME TO THE HOUSE AND STAY THE WEEKEND AND THEN LEAVE.
YOU'RE PLANNING DIRECTOR READ OFF ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ARE PLANNING TO GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.
THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING TRIPS UP AND DOWN THE MOUNTAIN.
IT'S NOT A GOOD THING TO HAVE HAPPENED.
UM, YOU SAY ABOUT SHERIFFS AND POLICE.
LINDEN'S A VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
IT'S GONNA TAKE MANY MINUTES FOR ANYBODY TO RESPOND.
IF ANYBODY CALLS THEIR SHERIFF DEPARTMENT ON OUR MOUNTAIN, IT'S AT LEAST A HALF AN HOUR OR MORE BEFORE THE SHERIFF FINALLY COMES UP TO THE MOUNTAIN.
UM, YOU'RE JUST ASKING FOR TROUBLES IF YOU APPROVE THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY, AND I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND AGAINST IT.
AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR MY TIME.
UM, IF YOU'RE NOT ON THE LIST, THEN WAIT.
SHE IS ON THE, SHE IS ON THE LIST.
I DON'T HAVE THAT IN FRONT OF ME, SO THAT'S FINE.
I'M AT 4 7 4 CHEROKEE RUN ROAD.
JUST HEARD FROM MY HUSBAND AND I LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WHO'S COME BEFORE ME, AGREES WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID HERE.
AND I HAVE TO TELL YOU, MY FAVORITE LINE TO TELL PEOPLE IS I DON'T DRIVE 57 MILES TO WORK ONE WAY TO COME HOME TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ENJOYING OUR PROPERTY, OUR AREA FOR A DAY OR TWO AND A WEEK OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
AND IT'S BEEN DONE BECAUSE THE HOMEOWNER STATED THAT THEY WANTED SOME REVENUE TO HELP WITH THE COST OF BUILDING THIS HOME.
THEY SHOULD HAVE ASKED PERMISSION BEFORE ASKING AFTERWARDS.
IN OUR MINDS, UH, BECAUSE AS A HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION, WE'VE NEVER ENCOURAGED OR EVEN HAVE THAT WE SHOULD HAVE COMMERCIAL BUSINESSES IN OUR COMMUNITY.
WE LIVE, UH, OUR HOME ALONG WITH THE NEWMANS AND EL AL AND ELENA, I THINK, AND KUT ARE ON A TOTALLY PRIVATE ROAD TO THE POINT THAT NO ONE ELSE IN THE COMMUNITY COME UP THERE UNLESS THEY HAVE A REASON TO BE THERE ON BOARD BUSINESS.
OUR ROAD IS TOTALLY PRIVATE ON CHEROKEE RUN ROAD, UNLIKE THE REST OF THE COMMUNITY THAT ISN'T AS, UH, PRIVATE AS THAT.
AND I AM CONTINUOUSLY IN 25 YEARS, ALMOST STOPPED PEOPLE ON THE ROAD.
IN FACT, LINA WAS ONE OF THEM SAYING, WHY ARE YOU UP HERE? BECAUSE IT'S NOT A PLACE YOU JUST HAPPENED TO COME BY, YOU KNOW? 'CAUSE YOU WENT AROUND THE CORNER ONCE AND CAME THERE.
YOU HAVE TO ACTUALLY FIND YOUR WAY THERE AND COME UP THERE PURPOSELY.
WE'VE HAD PEOPLE COME UP INTO PEOPLE'S DRIVEWAY AND THEY CAME OFF 66 AND SAID, THEY CAME UP BECAUSE THEY SAW IT FROM DOWN THE ROAD AND THEY WANTED DOWN ON 66
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WANTED TO COME UP AND THEY WALKED THROUGH THE PERSON'S, UH, DRIVEWAY INTO THEIR GARAGE WHEN THEIR CHILD WAS PLAYING.SO I'M FOREVER STOPPING PEOPLE AND MY HUSBAND'S RIGHT ABOUT THE POLICE.
UH, I HAD TO CALL THEM A FEW MONTHS AGO BECAUSE OF A CAR THAT WAS UP THERE AND WAS THREATENING.
AND MY NEIGHBOR, UH, ETTE MY EX-WIFE, UH, AND I STOPPED THEM AND APPROACHED THEM AND CALLED THE POLICE.
IT WAS OVER AN HOUR, ABOUT AN HOUR AND A HALF WHEN THEY CAME UP.
AND THAT PARTY ALSO STAYED WAITING.
AND THE OFFICER SAID THAT HIS GPS TOOK HIM TO THE WRONG COMMUNITY ALSO.
BUT THE POINT IS, WE ARE LIVING THERE FOR A REASON.
AND 25 YEARS AGO, BMBS WAS NOT THE THING.
SORT OF LIKE HOW WE WENT FROM RECORDS TO DIGITAL AND ALL THAT.
WHEN, WHEN COPYRIGHT LAWS CAME ABOUT, WE DIDN'T INCLUDE DIGITAL STUFF IN THE ORIGINAL TIMING BECAUSE WE DIDN'T KNOW THERE'D BE DIGITAL LATER ON.
WE KNEW A KNEW A HOTEL WOULD NEVER COME THERE, BUT NOT BE AND BS WHERE PEOPLE NOWADAYS ARE DOING THIS FOR A BUSINESS FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND THEY'RE PUTTING THEM INTO COMMUNITIES AND ESPECIALLY COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED LIKE OURS.
THAT'S A SMALL COMMUNITY THAT HAS LIMITED FUNDS TO TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING WE'RE RESPONSIBLE FOR BECAUSE OUR TAX DOLLARS DON'T SEEM TO PAY FOR IT, WHICH IS ANOTHER STORY.
SO AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR LISTEN SNEAK.
AND I'M DEFINITELY OPPOSED TO THIS.
I'M, UH, 1 7 4 MOSBY SPRING LANE.
UH, I HAVE REALLY NOTHING OTHER TO ADD OTHER THAN I AM OPPOSED.
AND, UH, I AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT EVERYBODY ELSE SAID.
MR. BRICO, DID YOU WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ONE OR WERE YOU WANTING TO SPEAK ON YOUR OWN?
'CAUSE YOU SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE.
AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER PERSON ON THE LIST IS MR. GROOMER HIMSELF.
AND I'LL ASSUME THAT YOU'D WANT TO OFFER A REBUTTAL TO WHAT YOU'VE HEARD TONIGHT.
I REALLY APPRECIATE EVERYBODY'S, UH, CONCERNS FOR WHO, UM, CAME AND SPOKE.
UM, AND I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH IN THE COMMUNITY.
FOR, FOR OUR RECORDS THOUGH, WE NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
MY NAME IS JOEY GROOMER, UM, THE LOT OWNER.
AND WE'RE BUILDING THE HOUSE THERE.
UM, SO MY WIFE AND I, WE WERE BOTH PROFESSORS AT UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND AND WE LOVE COMING OUT HERE.
SO OUR INTENTION FOR THIS WAS TO RENT TO MOSTLY FRIENDS OF OURS SO THEY COULD COME AND, YOU KNOW, ENJOY ON THE WEEKEND.
YEAH, WE CAN HEAR, CAN YOU HEAR THAT? BARELY FOR US.
UM, SO MY WIFE AND I WERE BOTH PROFESSORS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF MARYLAND AND WE LOVE COMING OUT TO SHENANDOAH.
SO WE THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A NICE WAY TO, UM, KIND OF SUPPORT THE COMMUNITY AND HAVE A PLACE TO STAY WHEN WE COME OUT HERE.
AND THE CLIENTELE THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR, FOR STAYING AT THE, AT THE HOUSE WILL MOSTLY BE OTHER PROFESSOR TYPES, QUIET FAMILIES.
UM, AND WE'RE HAPPY TO FOLLOW ALL THE RULES AND REGULATIONS INVOLVED.
AND WE'VE JUMPED THROUGH ALL THE HOOPS.
AND, UH, INITIALLY WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT LOTS TO BUILD ON, UM, I LOOKED AT SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS AND HOAS AND, UM, I CONTACTED JAMES MARTIN, THE PRESIDENT OF HOA, AND CONFIRMED THAT THIS WAS A POTENTIAL AND THAT THE COMMUNITY WOULD, IT WAS ALLOWED THERE.
AND HE SAID YES, THERE WERE NO RESTRICTIONS ON THAT.
AND I CONFRONTED WITH HIM SEVERAL TIMES AND THERE WAS, UM, A REVISION OF THE BYLAWS A YEAR OR TWO AGO, AND THIS DIDN'T COME UP.
I DIDN'T HAVE THE IDEA OF CONTACTING, WITH, CONTACTING EVERYBODY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO MAKE SURE HE WAS FINE WITH HIM.
I THOUGHT THE, THE PRESIDENT OF THE HOA WAS, WAS FINE.
UM, BUT WE'RE WILLING TO PUT IN, UM, SOUND MONITORS TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THERE'S TOO MUCH NOISE, WE'RE ALERTED ABOUT IT.
AND, UM, WE'RE HOPING TO JUST RENT THIS UP TO QUIET FAMILIES WHO ARE GONNA ENJOY, YOU KNOW, VISITING THE AREA.
UH, THIS IS NOT A REBUTTAL, MA'AM.
DID HE, DID HE SAY THAT HE CONTACTED THE NEIGHBORS? NO.
NO, I ONLY YOUR HOA PRESIDENT.
IS ANYONE ELSE, ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? IT DIDN'T SIGN UP.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION? NO, MA'AM.
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IF THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED, A FEW MISCONCEPTIONS I'D LIKE TO CLEAR UP.I HEARD SEVERAL THINGS ABOUT THAT.
THIS, THESE THINGS ARE BUSINESSES ACCORDING TO THE VIRGINIA GENERAL ASSEMBLY.
AND I WOULD RECOMMEND IF YOU WANT DISCUSS THAT CONTACT DELEGATE OATS.
HOW CAN YOU CALL IT, MA'AM? I'M JUST TELLING YOU WHAT THE LAW IS.
OH, I JUST, AND I, I I IT PUBLIC HEARINGS, PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
THEN THE SECOND ONE, I'VE HEARD SEVERAL CONCERNS ABOUT HUNTING.
HOWEVER, OUR STATUTES, WE DON'T ALLOW FIREARMS. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE HUNTERS.
WE ALSO DON'T ALLOW FIRE PITS
THE OTHER ONE BEING, IF HIS HANDS ARE TIED AND YOU CAN'T DO A SHORT TERM RENTAL, YOU PROBABLY WON'T HAVE THE CHOICE EXCEPT DO A LONG TERM RENTAL.
SO RATHER THAN HAVING THE VEHICLES DURING THE WEEKEND, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE 'EM EVERY DAY.
AND I MEAN, I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, SIDING WITH THEM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST EXPLAINING THE FACTS THERE.
I MEAN, IF THIS WAS A, I MEAN, WHEN VDOT DESIGNS A RESIDENTIAL ROAD, IT'S BASED ON 10 VEHICLES PER DAY, WHICH IS PRETTY CLOSE.
SO THAT'S LIKE 30 OVER A WEEKEND RATHER THAN 70 OVER A WEEK.
SO THE, UM, A QUESTION I HAVE IS, SO THE OWNER'S ASSOCIATION, UM, DOES, DO YOU ALL HAVE ANYTHING WRITTEN IN THERE ABOUT NOT HAVING ANY, IF THEY DO SHORT TERM RENTALS, IF THEY DO, WE CANNOT ENFORCE THEIR COVENANTS.
THEY HAVE TO ENFORCE IT THEMSELVES.
SO THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE THERE.
UM, AND THE THING AND, AND THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN AND OUT, THIS IS BASICALLY SHORT TERM, JUST LIKE THEY SAID, MAXIMUM OF WHAT, FOUR PEOPLE ON THIS ONE OR SIX, SIX PEOPLE MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS OR LESS.
SO MOST OF 'EM ARE GONNA BE WEEKENDS.
AND YOU GUYS, EVERYBODY IN THE SUBDIVISION GOES OUT TO THE STORE AND GOES BACK AS OFTEN AS YOU WISH, AND YOU'RE THERE EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK.
AND THESE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE THERE TWO TO THREE DAYS, MAYBE FOUR OR FIVE DAYS OF THE STRETCH AND BE IN AND OUT THREE, FOUR OR FIVE TIMES.
AND AS HE SAID, WHAT WE DO IS GO BY THE LAWS AND REGULATIONS THAT ARE SET DOWN TO US THAT GIVES EVERYBODY THOSE EQUAL RIGHTS TO THEIR OWNERSHIP OF THEIR PROPERTY.
AND AS MUCH AS, WHAT PERCENTAGE OF THE OWNERSHIP DO WE HAVE HERE AT THIS MEETING THIS EVENING? DO WE KNOW OF THE PROPERTY UP THERE? FAIR AMOUNT.
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUBDIVISION, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW MANY PARCELS ARE IN THE SUBDIVISION OFFHAND.
UM, I WOULD SAY THERE'S A LARGE PORTION OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS HERE THIS EVENING.
AND, AND THAT'S MY ONLY CONCERN.
IS WE'VE, EVEN THOUGH WE ARE HERE, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE RULES THAT WE ENFORCE, MY CONCERN IS THAT THE, WHAT'S THE PERCENTAGE OF THE OWNERSHIP THAT'S HERE THAT DOESN'T WANT IT.
NOW YOU ALL, THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO APPEAL, DON'T THEY? IN A GROUP WE SERVE PUBLIC HEARINGS CLOSED.
WE'RE JUST, I WAS GONNA ANSWER HIS QUESTION.
AND HOW MANY OWNERS DO YOU HAVE HERE? WE HAVE AT LEAST 15.
THAT'S THE ONLY REAL CONCERN I'VE GOT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF THE OWNERSHIP THAT DOESN'T WANT THIS PERCENT ABOUT, ABOUT, ABOUT HALF DON'T, AND THE OTHER ONES WE DON'T KNOW AND THE OTHER ONES WE DON'T KNOW.
THE, AND THE THING I WOULD LIKE TO ALSO MENTION ON THIS IS OUR VOTE IS A RECOMMENDATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THEY'LL MAKE THE ULTIMATE SAY WHEN THEY TAKE IT UP.
AND AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, THEY'RE, WHAT THEY'RE APPLYING FOR IS WELL WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS AND WHAT OUR GUIDELINES AND REGULATIONS SET FORTH.
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I MEAN, I DON'T SEE HOW AT THIS POINT WE CAN JUST SAY NO, IT SHOULD NOT BE NOW AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AT I WOULD SAY GET A BIGGER GROUP, UH, AND, AND SEE WHAT YOUR OTHER OPTIONS ARE.
BUT AT THIS POINT I DON'T, I DON'T SEE WHERE WE HAVE ANY RECOURSE BUT TO APPROVE THE RIGHTS OF THE OTHER, OF THIS PROPERTY OWNER.
I, I, DOES ANYONE DISAGREE WITH, WITH WHAT MY THOUGHTS ARE THERE? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
THE ONLY, THE ONLY THING I WOULD SAY TO THE, THE HOA OR MEMBERS HERE, UH, BE BEFORE YOU GO TO THE COUNTY SUPERVISOR BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, SOMEONE TAKE A, A VIDEO DRIVING UP, UP OR DOWN THAT ROAD, UH, TO KIND OF SHOW THEM, YOU KNOW, BE CUR COURTESY OF THEIR TIMING AS FAR AS, YOU KNOW, DON'T MAKE IT 45 MINUTES LONG.
UH, I USED TO RACE WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID, YOU KNOW, UH, SPORTS CARS.
AND I UNDERSTAND IF I DID A TRACK TWO OR THREE TIMES, I KNEW THE TRACK PRETTY WELL AND I KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT ON THE NEXT TURN WHEN I WAS DOING 70 AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING 50 AND KINDA SPUN AROUND.
UH, NICE THING ABOUT A RACETRACK.
I DIDN'T GO OVER THE EDGE OF A CLIFF.
UH, I THINK THAT, THAT IT IS A FACTOR FOR ME AS FAR AS THE ROADWAY AND THE SAFETY, NOT NECESSARILY A VIEW, BUT AS OF THE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
AND IT MIGHT BE SOMETHING THAT THE, THE HOMEOWNER DOES PASS THAT YOU, UH, INCLUDE IN YOUR PACKET TO 'EM ABOUT HOW UNSAFE THAT ROAD IS.
AND IF YOU DO MISS A TURN AND SOMEHOW, I DON'T KNOW, HOW DID YOU GUYS GET AROUND NOT HAVING FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, ADDRESS IDENTIFICATION? THAT WAS NATIONWIDE AND THAT WAS PUT OUT A BUNCH OF YEARS AGO.
BUT YOU GOTTA HAVE SOMETHING ON THE ROADWAY THAT IDENTIFIES YOUR PROPERTY.
SO THAT'S, SO YOU, YOU DO HAVE STREET ADDRESSES, STUFF LIKE THAT.
HAVE PHYSICAL ADDRESS IF YOU DON'T YET, THE OTHER THING BROUGHT UP YOU UP.
VDOT HAS, VDO HAS BEEN IN OUR COMMUNITY.
VDOT SAYS IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SAFE.
AND SIR, I UNDERSTAND THAT AND I KNOW IT'S NOT A VDOT MAINTAINED ROAD.
I WAS JUST USING THAT AN EXAMPLE OF THE WAY THEY DESIGNED THE ROADS.
THEY WON'T, THEY, THEY'LL, THEY WILL TAKE OVER IT AFTER YOU BRING IT OUR OWN, SIR.
BUT YOU GOTTA BRING IT UP TO STANDARDS.
THEY'LL TAKE YOU OVER IT AFTER YOU BRING IT TO THEIR STANDARDS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BRING IT.
SO ANYWAY, THAT'S, THAT WOULD BE MY RECOMMENDATION.
IF IT DOES GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD, WELL, IT'S GONNA GO FORWARD TO THE BOARD REGARDLESS WHAT HAPPENS HERE TONIGHT.
WELL, WE TURN IT DOWN OR WELL, WE DON'T, YEAH.
'CAUSE OURS IS ONLY A RECOMMENDATION.
I WOULD ALSO ADD, UM, IF, IF IT DOES GET APPROVED, I KNOW IT'S BEEN MENTIONED, THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS A, AN OPTION IF THERE ARE ISSUES, BUT THERE'S ALSO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AND THERE IS A FORM ON THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT'S WEBSITE AND YOU CAN SUBMIT COMPLAINTS.
THOSE COMPLAINTS GET REVIEWED AND THIS IS A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
SO IF THERE ARE ISSUES, THE PERMIT CAN ALWAYS BE REMOVED.
SO I I JUST, IF IT DOES GET PROVED THAT THAT IS ALWAYS, UH, ANOTHER OPTION, YOU CAN GET IT TAKEN AWAY.
AFTER WE'RE DONE HERE THIS EVENING, WHATEVER OUR DECISION IS, IT GETS ANOTHER CHANCE.
IT GETS ANOTHER CHANCE AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHETHER WE TURN IT DOWN OR WHETHER WE PASS IT.
NOW ACCORDING TO THE INFORMATION WE'VE GOT, WE, WE SHOULD BUY ALL RIGHTS TO PROTECT THAT PROPERTY OWNER, PASS IT, PROTECT THEIR OWNERSHIP RIGHTS.
AND, AND AS I SAID BEFORE WITH THE CHURCH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, APPROXIMATELY A MONTH, I'LL BE TAKING IT UP AND, AND I, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M DON'T DISAGREE WITH YOU PEOPLE AND YOUR CONCERNS.
HE STATED WHAT OUR REQUIREMENTS ARE.
UH, YOU PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION THEN? YEAH.
IF I CAN FIND THE PROPER PLACE TO READ HERE.
I WAS TOO BUSY TALKING AND PAYING ATTENTION TO EVERYBODY.
YOU GOT IT PULLED UP IN? YEAH.
MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS
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APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH RECOMMENDATIONS TO APPROVE CONDITION CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH OH THREE DASH OH THREE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.ALL THOSE IN FAVOR PLEASE SAY AYE.
HAVE IT WILL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THANK YOU LADIES AND GENTLEMEN FOR YOUR TIME.
WILL THEY NOTIFY US WHEN THE MEETING IS? IT'LL BE ADVERTISED LIKE THIS ONE WAS.
YOU'LL SEE AN ADVERTISEMENT IN THE LOCAL PAPER AND YOU, YOU WILL RECEIVE THE SAME NO LOCAL PAPER UP THERE.
THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY HELL IS PAPER, BUT YOU ALSO THOSE WITH PROPERTY NEXT TO IT.
WE'LL GET A LETTER IN THE MAIL.
KELLY'S GONNA SEND OUT NOTIFICATION AND THERE WILL BE A SIGN, THERE'LL BE NOTIFICATION.
THERE WILL BE A SIGN ABOUT A PUBLIC HEARING.
THERE WILL BE A SIGN OF THE PROPERTY LIKE THERE, THERE IS TODAY.
I, I'D SAY ALL Y'ALL SAT DOWN AND TALK
ALSO SAY THIS, BE TO REACH OUT TO THE APPLICANT HIMSELF AND SEE HOW THAT YOU CAN COME TO TERMS AND EVERYBODY GETS ALONG.
NO, THEY DIDN'T EVEN NOTIFY US.
THE HOUSE WAS EVEN TOO CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE.
IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
YEAH, IT'S STILL UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
I I'M NOT TALKING THEN THAT'S HIS RIGHT TO DO IT.
SOME PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT ISSUES AND I'M SERIOUS THERE.
WHAT'S THAT? GOVERNMENT WORKS.
SOME PEOPLE ARE PASSIONATE ABOUT ISSUES.
I CAN APPRECIATE THEIR, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE TOO.
[VI.D. CUP2026-03-04 - Building Service Establishment - 10358 Stonewall Jackson Hwy - A request for a conditional use permit for a building service establishment. The properties are located at 10358 Stonewall Jackson Highway, identified on tax map 28 as lot 21; 6567 Browntown Road, identified on tax map 28 as lot 122; and identified on tax map 28 as lot 122A. The properties are zoned Agricultural (A) and are located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director ]
CUP 20 26 0 3 0 4.BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT 1 0 3 5 8 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY.
REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT.
THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT 1 0 3 5 8 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 28 IS LOT 21 6 5 6 7 BROWNTOWN ROAD IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 28 IS LOT 1 22 AND IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 28 IS LOT 1 22 A.
THE PROPERTIES ARE GENTLEMAN AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN THE SOUTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AS WELL.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT FOR THE PROPERTY.
THEY ARE UNDER CONTRACT TO PURCHASE FROM PITMAN ENTERPRISES LC, THE APPLICANTS, THE OWNERS OF AN HVAC COMPANY.
DAVE'S DIVERSIFIED SERVICES WOULD LIKE TO USE THE PROPERTY AS A MATERIALS AND EQUIPMENT STORAGE FOR THEIR BUSINESS IF THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS APPROVED.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE STATED THEY WILL OPERATE A LOW INTENSITY SERVICE-BASED HVAC CONTRACTOR BUSINESS AT 1 0 3 5 8 STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY, ALSO IDENTIFIED AS TAX MAP 28 AS LOT 1 21, WHILE MAINTAINING THE REMAINING TWO PARCELS IDENTIFIED AS LOT 1 22 AND 1 22 A AS AGRICULTURAL TO SERVE AS A NATURAL BUFFER TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE ALSO COMMITTED TO REMOVE THE ABANDONED STRUCTURE LOCATED ON THE UPPER PARCEL, ELIMINATING EXISTING BLIGHT AND FURTHER IMPROVING THE OVERALL APPEARANCE OF THE PROPERTY.
WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C DEFINES BUILDING SERVICE ESTABLISHMENT AS A FACILITY PROVIDING SERVICES FOR RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, OR LIGHT INDUSTRIAL STRUCTURES SUCH AS EXTERMINATOR, PLUMBER, DECORATOR, ELECTRICIAN, OR HEATING, VENTILATION AND AIR CONDITIONING, HVAC OR OTHER APPLIANCE SERVICE AND RELATED EQUIPMENT STORAGE, STAGING AND REPAIRS.
THIS USE SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS SET FORTH IN SUBSECTION 180 DASH 36.1 OF THIS CHAPTER.
THERE IS AN EXISTING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE OPERATION OF A TREE SURGERY AND LANDSCAPING BUSINESS.
FOR THE SUBJECT PROPERTY THAT WAS ISSUED ON JULY 18TH, 1995.
A NOTICE OF INSPECTION WAS ISSUED TO THE PROPERTY OWNER IN APRIL OF 2025, WHERE STAFF IDENTIFIED THAT THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH CONDITIONS NUMBER THREE AND NUMBER FIVE PLACED ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REGARDING INOPERABLE VEHICLES AND SCREENING OF THE EQUIPMENT AREA.
IN JUNE OF 2025, STAFF CONFIRMED THE PROPERTY WAS BROUGHT UP TO THE STANDARDS OF THE CONDITIONS AND WAS FOUND COMPLIANT.
STAFF PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHOOSES TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OR APPROVAL TO THE, OF THIS PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND ANY
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OTHER APPLICABLE AGENCY REGULATIONS REQUIREMENTS.THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES ON SITE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE MAXIMUM OCCUPANCY AS DETERMINED BY THE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY ISSUED FOR THE BUILDING OR OTHER OPERATION PERMIT ISSUED FOR THE ONSITE DIS UH, SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
WHICHEVER IS LESSER ONSITE CUSTOMER SERVICE AND RETAIL SALES SHALL BE PROHIBITED.
THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT AN ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN IN INCLUDING A SCHEMATIC DETAILS ON INGRESS, EGRESS BUILDING LOCATIONS, OFF STREET PARKING, STORAGE, STAGING AREAS WITH SETBACK DISTANCES TO THE PROPERTY LINES LABELED SCREENING, LANDSCAPING, OUTDOOR LIGHTING AND SIGNAGE PLANNING.
STAFF SHALL REVIEW AND APPROVE THE ILLUSTRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PLAN PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING.
AREAS FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE OR STAGING OF EQUIPMENT SHALL BE FULLY SCREENED FROM VIEW AND SHALL SHALL BE SET BACK A MINIMUM OF 25 FEET FROM ALL ADJACENT PROPERTY LINES.
THE APPLICANT SHALL MAINTAIN THE EXISTING TREE LINE ALONG BROWNTOWN ROAD AS A BUFFER AND SCREENING FROM THE ROADWAY.
THE HOURS OF OPERATION SHALL BE BETWEEN 7:00 AM AND 6:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY.
A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED DIRECT STATE ROAD ACCESS AND TO ALLOW FOR THE CONTINUED USE OF THE EXISTING ENTRANCES TO LOTS 28.
UH, PARCEL, UH, PARCEL 28 LOT 1 21, PARCEL 28, LOT 1 22 AND PARCEL 28 1 22 A.
AND LASTLY, CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
1995 DASH SEVEN DASH ONE SHALL BE DEEMED NULL AND VOID.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS FOR US.
ANYTHING THE APPLICANTS CARE TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING? UM, NOT SIR.
I'M CERTAIN AND WE DO NEED NAME AND ADDRESS.
I LIVE AT 3 52 DOWNING FARM ROAD.
UM, FROM OUR VDOT REVIEW, UH, THE PROPERTY BE ACCESSED FROM BROWNTOWN ROAD, WHICH MINIMIZES THE TRAFFIC IMPACT.
UM, THEY DETERMINED THAT THAT WAS THE SAFER OPTION FOR ACCESS.
UM, THE BUSINESS HAS BEEN A, YOU KNOW, A FUNCTIONING FLOURISHING MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY FOR 25 PLUS YEARS.
UM, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, PROVING THIS OR MAKING A RECOMMENDATION ON THIS IS, UH, YOU KNOW, SUPPORTING LOCAL BUSINESS.
THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE ELSE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING'S CLOSED.
WHICH BUILDING IS BEING THE HOUSE OR THE WHAT YOU LOOKS LIKE A GARAGE.
REPAIR, I BELIEVE IF WE'RE YES, PLEASE DO.
SO THIS UP HERE IS WHAT'S BEING TORN DOWN RIGHT ON THE CORNER, RIGHT THERE ON BROWNTOWN ROAD.
IS THAT THAT HOUSE? YEAH, THIS IS THE BUILDINGS THAT WE USED FOR BUSINESS.
THAT USED TO BE WHAT? ASPEN SOME OR THERE WAS A BIGGER TREE COMPANY THAT HAD PITMAN'S, THE ONE THAT'S PITMAN.
THAT WAS BASICALLY MY QUESTION, BUT MY CONCERN IS SINCE THERE IS, UH, USED OIL STORAGE AND YOU GOT A LIFT IN THERE ABOUT WHAT OTHER ENVIRONMENTAL HAZARDS THAT MAY HAVE BEEN REMAINING THERE FROM WHATEVER USAGE WAS USED.
'CAUSE THAT LOOKS LIKE A, A WORKING, USED TO BE A WORKING GARAGE.
UH, THE OTHER THING'S IN THAT GARAGE THERE IS A WORKING LIFT.
I'M PROBABLY GONNA GET RID, I'M GONNA SELL IT.
UM, SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY, SIR? NO.
IS THAT ELECTRIC LIFT OR HYDRAULIC? IT'S ELECTRIC.
SO THERE ARE NO STORAGE TANKS, OIL, GAS, OTHERWISE? NO, THAT'S, UH, WE, WE ALSO CLEANED UP A BUNCH OF STUFF AND THOSE ARE ALL, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL CLEANED UP.
BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S OLD ENOUGH WHEN, I'M SORRY SIR.
IT LOOKS LIKE THE STRUCTURE'S OLD ENOUGH.
THAT USED TO BE WHEN WE WOULD POUR OUR USED OIL ON THE DIRT ROADS.
IT'S NO BUILDING, BUT IT'S, IT'S A NICE ROAD BUILDING.
UH, SO IS THE, THE INTENT IS THE MAIN ENTRANCE WOULD BE OFF BROWNTOWN, UH, HICKORY RIDGE.
BUT, BUT RIGHT OFF BROWNTOWN, LIKE OFF HICK, THAT'S THAT LITTLE ROAD THAT COMES AFTER YOU GO AROUND BROWNTOWN AND YOU PASS THE PROPERTY.
LOOK AT LOOK AT THE SCREEN WILL, YEAH.
RIGHT NOW THERE'S NO REAL ROAD THERE.
THERE IS, THERE'S A, UH, THERE'S A BIG ROAD WITH ONE HOUSE ON IT.
UH, SNAKE ROAD USED TO CONTINUE THERE.
AT SOME POINT IT WAS GATE AT ALL.
YEAH, I MEAN THE ACCESS TO THE DRIVEWAY TO THE PROPERTY IS OVER GROUND.
WE'RE WAITING ON THE VDOT, UH, PERMITTING PROCESS APPROVED.
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YOU'RE GETTING THE VDOT APPROVAL AND THEN YOU'LL PUT INSTALL IT WITH VDOT INSPECTION AND APPROVAL OF IT.SO WILL IT BE MAYBE A QUESTION FOR STAFF, WILL IT BE A VDOT APPROVED ENTRANCE? YES.
AND CONDITION NUMBER ONE WOULD COVER THAT.
THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND USUALLY V REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS BEFORE THEY RELEASE IT.
UM, IT HAS TO BE COMPLETE AND SEEDED AND STRAWED AND THEN THEY, IF THEIR GRASS IS NOT ACTUALLY GROWING, VDOT WILL REQUIRE A BOND TO COVER THE COST OF BUILDING.
SO WHAT I GUESS THE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT THEN IS WHY USE THAT AS THE MAIN ENTRANCE VERSUS COMING OFF DOWN ON THREE 40 BY THE SKYLINE CAVERNS? YEAH, I, I KNOW YOU TRAFFIC FOR ONE THING, TRAFFIC, YOU GOTTA GO THROUGH SKYLIGHTS NOT DETERMINED THAT THE LIKE SKYLINE DOESN'T HAVE THE ADEQUATE SITE DISTANCES FOR THE ENTRANCE INTO THREE 40 ASSAY.
SO THEY DON'T WANT ANY ADDED TRAFFIC TO THREE 40 THERE.
UM, THE PROPERTY ALSO DOESN'T HAVE A, AN EASEMENT 2 3 40.
SO WE HAVE TO ESTABLISH EASEMENT.
I KIND OF LIKE THE IDEA OF IT COMING OFF UP ON BROWNTOWN ROAD, ESPECIALLY ON THAT OTHER LITTLE SECONDARY ROAD THAT BRANCHES OFF NOW.
EITHER WAY YOU'RE COMING OUT ONTO THE TRAFFIC OF BROWNTOWN ROAD, BUT THE SITE DISTANCES ARE GOOD AT THAT SPOT, CORRECT? YES THEY ARE.
OH, THE LOGIC THAT GOES ALONG WITH WHAT
SWAP ALL THE WAY, RIGHT? PRETTY MUCH FROM THE EDGE UP TO THE GUARDRAIL BROWN.
I THINK THEY USUALLY REQUIRE LIKE 350 FEET EACH DIRECTION FOR SITE DISTANCE.
IT'S A FOOTBALL FIELD EACH DIRECTION.
IF V O'S INVOLVED WITH THE PERMIT OF THE DRIVEWAY AND THE CONSTRUCTION AND COMPLETION.
YEAH, IT'S GONNA IT'S GONNA BE, YEAH.
IT'LL MEET TRAFFIC REQUIREMENTS.
MM-HMM
CLARIFICATION FOR STAFF IS THE EXISTING SPECIAL USE DEPARTMENT WOULD BE GIVEN VOID.
UPON APPROVAL BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS I'M GENERALLY OPPOSED TO THESE IN THE AG.
UH, BUT GIVEN THE FACT THAT THERE'S AN EXISTING SPECIAL USE FOR ESSENTIALLY THE SAME PURPOSE, UM, I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A GOOD FIT.
SO, AND THE PROPERTY'S REALLY TOO SMALL TO GROW ANY AGRICULTURAL THAT'S GOING TO A PROFIT.
IS ALMOST THE BEST, BIGGEST USE YEP.
APPLICATION I THINK IS FITTED TO THE HE WASN'T READY FOR A MOTION.
SOON AS I FIND IT,
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT AGAIN ABOUT A MONTH, SIR.
[VI.E. CUP2026-03-05 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 77 Eagles Crag Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 77 Eagles Crag Road and is identified on tax map 15H, section 4, as lot 8. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director ]
HEARING TONIGHT.SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 77 EAGLE EAGLES CRAIG ROAD.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY LOCATED AT 77 EAGLES CRAIG ROAD IDENTIFIED TAX MAP 15 EIGHT.
SECTION FOUR IS LOT EIGHT PROPERTY RESIDENTIAL R ONE LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT KELLY.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY CONSTRUCTED IN 2024.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM RENTAL TO OFFER A SAFE AND WELCOMING LODGING OPTION TO VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
THE OWNERS WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PRO PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.
THE APPLICANT IS ACTING AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER AND IS 19 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILIES, UH, DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 170 FEET TO THE SOUTH.
PLANNING, UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
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BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56 4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND, UH, HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM MAINTAINED ANNUALLY BY A LICENSED OPERATOR IS REQUIRED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE ONSITE SEWAGE DISPOSAL SYSTEM.
THE APPLICANT SHALL ALSO HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM PUMPED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE SHALL BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR US.
UH, DOES THE APPLICANT HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO THE STAFF COMMENTS? REX CHRISTENSEN, UH, SEVEN SEVEN EAGLES CRAIG ROAD.
UM, IT SAID I FINISHED IT IN 24.
THAT'S WHEN I PULLED THE PERMIT.
IT TOOK ME TWO YEARS TO BUILD IT, AND SO I, I ONLY, IT'S FINE.
I, I DIDN'T FINISH IT UNTIL THIS DECEMBER, BUT FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, UH, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK ALL DAY LONG, THIS HAS BEEN MY, MY PASSION REALLY IS BUILDING THIS.
UM, I'M THE, I SIT ON THE BOARD WITH THE PROPERTY OWNERS OF CHANDLE FARMS, AND SO I'M SENSITIVE TO RESIDENTS CONCERN THERE.
I CHAIR THE ADVISORY COMMITTEE, UH, FOR THE COUNTY, FOR THE SHADO, UH, ADVISORY COMMITTEE FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT.
AND SO I'M SENSITIVE TO THE, TO THE CONCERNS THAT RESIDENTS HAVE THERE.
UM, I ONLY SAY THAT TO SAY THAT OUR COMMUNITIES CONTINUE TO WORK, I THINK REALLY WELL WITH, UH, A DIVERSE USE THAT THAT GOES ON WITH THEM.
UM, FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS, MY INTERACTIONS WITH THE COUNTY, WITH DEFINITELY THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT, UM, BUT WITH THE PLANNING AND, AND THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AS WELL HAVE REALLY BEEN EXEMPLARY.
SO IN A TIME WHEN YOU HEAR A LOT OF HATE ABOUT, UH, PERHAPS COUNTY ENTITIES, I'VE HAD NOTHING BUT GOOD EXPERIENCES WITH PEOPLE WHO'VE, UH, WORKED WITH ME, UH, REALLY TO BUILD KIND OF MY DREAM UP THERE.
SO WITH THAT, I'M HOPING ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
OKAY, SIR, EVERYTHING COMES UP AFTER THE PUBLIC HEARING.
THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE SIGN UP? ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
I ACTUALLY HAVE NO ISSUES WITH THIS ONE.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH ZERO THREE DASH ZERO FIVE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AND RECOMMENDATIONS BY STAFF.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
OPPOSED? AYES HAVE IT BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[VI.F. CUP2026-03-06 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 103 Luchase Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 103 Luchase Road and is identified on tax map 23A, section 4, block 9, as lot 15A. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director ]
PUBLIC HEARING, CUP 20 26 0 3 0 6.SHORT TERM TER RENTAL 1 0 3 LU CHASE ROAD.
REQUEST FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 1 0 3 LOU CHASE ROAD IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 23 A SECTION FOUR BLOCK NINE IS LOT 15 A PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANT'S REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT TERM TOUR RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL TO OFFSET SOME OF THE INVESTMENT AND COST OF THE MORTGAGE WHILE BEING VERY CLOSE TO BOTH PROPERTIES TO MANAGE AND OVERSEE THEM THEMSELVES.
THE OWNERS IN A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE RENTAL PROPERTY.
THERE ARE THREE APPROVED AND ACTIVE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND ONE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR ON AN ADJACENT PARCEL TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.
THE APPLICANT WILL BE SERVING AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER, AS THEY WILL BE RENTING OUT THE LOWER FLOOR OF THE DWELLING THAT THEY CURRENTLY RESIDE IN.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS.
THE CLOSEST BEING 128 FEET TO THE EAST PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THEY'RE ALL THE SAME AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION, EXCEPT FOR NUMBER FOUR.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED AND I'M YES.
THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
THE APPLICANTS HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD? OKAY.
WITH THAT, THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
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MY QUESTION IN THIS ONE IS, SINCE IT'S A FAMILY OF FOUR THAT LIVES UPSTAIRS, SHOULDN'T IT, THE APPLICATION READ THAT? UH, LIMIT TO TWO, SINCE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ONLY ACCEPTS SIX, THEY COULD LEAVE THE PROPERTY RIGHT, AND OR THEY COULD STAY YEAH.AND THEY COULD MODIFY THE REQUEST WHEN THEY LEAVE.
WE COULD, UH, WE COULD HAVE THEM ADDRESS THAT IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
I HAVE BEEN, I HAVE STAYED AT SOME SHORT TERM RENTALS IN THE PAST THAT WERE A SITUATION LIKE THIS AND IT WORKED OUT WELL.
I MEAN, WITH THE RESIDENT LIVING IN THE HOUSE, YOU'RE GUARANTEED NO PARTIES
NOW, AS, AS THE, THE SHORT TERM RENTAL, THAT MEANS A MAXIMUM OF 30 DAYS.
THAT CORRECT? ANY FAMILY OR INDIVIDUAL CAN LIVE DOWNSTAIRS.
IT CANNOT BE OPENED UP FOR SOMEONE TO LIVE THERE FOR SIX MONTHS OR A YEAR.
WELL, SOMEBODY COULD STILL LIVE DOWN THERE THAT WELL, BUT NOT AS A RENTAL PERSON.
I UNDERSTAND THEY COULD TURN THAT HAVE A LONG RENTER DOWN THERE.
I JUST JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IN OUR RESIDENTIAL SITUATION, THAT OF COURSE RESIDENTIAL MEANING YEAH.
SINGLE FAMILY IF OR HOWEVER IT'S CODED OR ZONED.
NOW, IF YOU HAVE A COUSIN, BROTHER, SISTER, AUNT, UNCLE LIVING AS A, IN A SEPARATE UNION, THAT'S SAME FAMILY, SINGLE FAMILY.
AND IT WOULD APPLY AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY.
NOW, IN SOME SITUATIONS PEOPLE START WITH THAT AND THEN THEY ROLL ON INTO A RENTAL AND IT GETS MISSED TO A LONG-TERM RENTAL SITUATION.
I DON'T WANNA SEE THIS SITUATION TURN INTO A RENTED OUT BASEMENT OR LOWER LEVEL.
BUT THEY COULD MAYBE, MAYBE A QUESTION FOR, UM, ATTORNEY, BUT I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN REGULATE WHETHER OR NOT SOMEBODY'S RUNNING OUT THEIR BASEMENT ON A, LIKE A YEARLY BASIS.
NOT UNLESS IT VIOLATES SOME TYPE OF ZONING OR OTHER ZONING IS WHERE YOU'RE GONNA HIT IT.
CAN YOU RENT IF THERE IS NO KITCHEN BEING YOU RENT IN A ROOM? YEAH.
SO YOU COULD RENT A, HAVE TO HAVE AN A DU.
I MEAN THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY OTHER REQUIREMENT IS IF THEY'RE OKAY RENTING A APARTMENT, THEN IT WOULD NEED TO BE AN A DU IN A BASEMENT.
BUT IF YOU'RE RENTING A BEDROOM, AN A DU IN A BASEMENT IS NOT ALLOWED IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT.
BUT I THINK YOU COULD STILL RENT A BASEMENT.
YOU COULDN'T HAVE A KITCHEN DOWN THERE.
WELL, THIS LOOKS LIKE A WALKOUT.
I MEAN IT'S, IT'S, IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS.
IT MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS AND I THINK ANYTHING OVER 30 DAYS IS OUT BASICALLY MINE OUTSIDE THE, UH, QUESTIONS VEERING OFF OF SELF CURIOSITY STUFF.
SO IF THEY, SO IF THEY WANNA RENT IT FOR 60 DAYS, AIRBNB DOESN'T CARE.
UM, UH, STAFF MONITORS LISTINGS VERY CLOSELY.
UM, WE FREQUENTLY CHECK AND ALSO RELY ON NEIGHBORS THAT ALSO FOR FREQUENTLY CHECK LISTINGS TO LET US KNOW IF THEY'RE ADVERTISING OVER THEIR LEGAL LIMIT.
UM, SO IF THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WE MONITOR THOSE THINGS CLOSELY.
YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES.
MY ONLY QUESTION WAS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE BASED ON THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
SO, AND THAT'S GONNA BE WRITTEN INTO MANAGEMENT.
I WILL HAVE THEM ADDRESS IT IN THEIR PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN BEFORE WE, UM, IF YOU, YOU GUYS MOVE THIS FORWARD TO THE BOARD BEFORE WE DO THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH THE BOARD, WE WILL BEEP UP THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN.
READY FOR MOTION WITH THAT? YES.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 26 0 3 0 6 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
IT WILL BE FORWARDED ONTO THE BOARD.
[VI.G. CUP2026-03-07 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 530 Wilderness Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 530 Wilderness Road and is identified on tax map 23A, section 319, as lot 72. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
TONIGHT, CUP 20 26 0 3 0 7.SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FIVE 30 WILDERNESS ROAD.
REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST
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RENTAL PROPERTY IS LOADED AT, LOCATED AT FIVE 30 WILDERNESS ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP 23.PROPERTY ZONED R ONE RESIDENTIAL LOCATED IN SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TO RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL TO OFFSET SOME OF THE INVESTMENT COSTS OF THE MORTGAGE, UM, WHILE BEING VERY CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPLIED FOR.
THERE ARE TWO APPROVED AND ACTIVE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS AND ONE SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL THAT HAS BEEN APPLIED FOR, FOR THE ADJACENT SUBJECT DWELLING.
THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE TWO BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A WAIVER TO THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATION AS THE DWELLING DOES NOT MEET THE 100 FOOT SETBACK REQUIREMENT FROM NEIGHBORING RESIDENCES.
THE NEIGHBORING RESIDENCE FIVE 40 WILDERNESS ROAD IS LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 60 FEET, UH, 62 FEET TO THE EAST OF THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
STAFF DOES NOT HAVE A LETTER OF SUPPORT FROM THE NEIGHBOR.
PLANNING STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
UM, ALL OF THE SAME CONDITIONS AS THE PREVIOUS APPLICATIONS.
WITH THE ADDITION OF CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, A WAIVER TO THE REQUIRED SETBACK OF 100 FEET TO NEIGHBORING DWELLING SHALL BE GRANTED FOR THE EXISTING 62 FOOT SETBACK TO THE DWELLING EAST OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
UH, HAVE ANYTHING TO ADD TO STAFF COMMENTS? UH, PLEASE.
I LIVE IN 1 0 3 LOU CHASE ROAD.
THE PROPERTY, WE JUST, UM, UH, ACCEPTED.
UM, JUST TO CLARIFY WHY WE ARE, WHY, UM, THE REASON WE ARE APPLYING FOR TWO IS, UM, ONE IS WE ARE LIVING IN THE ONE RIGHT NOW AND WE THOUGHT, UM, IN THE OTHER ONE WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING.
AND, UM, WE THOUGHT IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO SEND THEM IN BOTH AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE IT'S, THE WORK IS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME.
UM, BUT WE, THE ONE THAT WE ARE, UH, LIVING IN RIGHT NOW, 1 0 3 LU CHASE ROAD, WE DON'T PLAN TO SHORT-TERM RENT A LOT BECAUSE WE LIVE IN THERE.
AND AS YOU SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, WE ALSO DON'T PLAN TO LONG-TERM RENT IT.
SO, UH, IT'S JUST, JUST ON OCCASION.
THE ONE THAT WE REALLY WOULD LIKE TO RENT OUT LONG TERM IS, UM, FIVE 30 WILDERNESS ROAD.
THE CURRENT PROPERTY, UM, THAT WAS AN ABANDONED HOUSE THAT WE ACQUIRED FROM OUR NEIGHBOR.
AND, UM, WE INVESTED A LOT OF MONEY AND WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF RENOVATING THE PROPERTY.
IT IS RIGHT NEXT TO I THINK FIVE 40 WILDERNESS ROAD, BUT, UM, ACTUALLY FIVE 40 WILDERNESS ROAD IS AN ABANDONED HOME.
AND I HAVE SOME PICTURES, UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN CAN SEE IT.
BUT, UH, YEAH, NOBODY CAN LIVE IN THAT.
AND, UH, WE HAVE SOME MORE PICTURES HERE TO, TO SHARE.
UM, SO, AND AS WE UNDERSTAND, THE PEOPLE THAT, UH, THAT BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY ACTUALLY WANT TO RENOVATE IT AND ALSO USE IT AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL.
BUT THAT HAPPENED TWO YEARS AGO AND I, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANY PROGRESS IN, IN RENOVATING THIS BUILDING.
I MEAN, IT'S STILL UNINHABITABLE AND, UM, RIGHT NEXT TO IT IS ANOTHER ACTUALLY SHORT TERM RENTAL.
SO, UM, YEAH, IT WOULD BE, UM, MUCH APPRECIATED IF FIVE 30 WOULD BE ACCEPTED AS A SHORT TERM RENTAL, ESPECIALLY AS WE INVESTED, UM, CONSIDERABLE AMOUNTS IN, IN, IN UPGRADING THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
WITH THAT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
ANYONE CARE TO SPEAK? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
MY CONCERN, IT'S UNDER, UH, THE 100 FEET SETBACK REQUIREMENT.
AND THERE'S NO LETTER THAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED AS OUR PROTOCOL FOR APPROVAL OF THAT.
OUR PROTOCOL FOR THAT BEING IS WE'D LIKE TO GET A, WE NEED A LETTER FROM THE NEIGHBOR SAYING THEY HAVE NO ISSUE WITH THIS OR THEIR PRESENCE.
UH, NOW IN SAYING THAT I, I'M GONNA MAKE A MOTION TO DENY, BUT TO, TO THE HOMEOWNER, GET WITH THE NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, TWO HOURS AWAY, WELL PICK THEM UP, PHONE CALL THEM OR EMAIL SOMETHING.
EMAIL EM, TEXT THEM SOMETHING.
THAT WAY YOU HAVE SOMETHING WE NEED TO GO BEFORE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BECAUSE WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE IS A RECOMMENDATION.
IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOT A FINAL, YOU KNOW, HOW'S
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THAT GO? SO, UH, ANY OTHER YEAH, I, I THINK THE STATE OF THE HOUSE NEXT DOOR, I MEAN, IT CHANGES MY MIND ON WHETHER THE LETTER IS AS IMPORTANT.UM, BECAUSE THERE'S NOBODY, THERE'S NOBODY LIVING THERE.
I AGREE WITH YOU THERE, BUT THERE'S THE PROTOCOL OF ONCE YOU SET A STANDARD AND YOU MAKE A WAIVER, THEN SOMEBODY ELSE COMES ALONG AND, AND I DON'T, IT'S NOT OUR STANDARD 'CAUSE IT'S NOT THE CODE.
WELL, AND, AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BUT HAVE YOU TRIED TO CONTACT AN EMAIL LETTER? TELEPHONE? IT'S, IT'S TAX RECORD IS PUBLIC INFORMATION.
I, WE KNOW THE ADDRESS FROM G GSI, UH, DATA.
SO WE CAN WRITE THEM A LETTER AND SEE IF THEY REPLIED.
AND, UM, ONCE YOU GET THAT ADDRESS, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP.
I MEAN, YOU GOT THE MAILING ADDRESS.
YOU COULD BE ABLE TO FOLLOW UP WITH FURTHER INFORMATION TO FIND OUT WHO THEY ARE AND HOW ELSE YOU COULD GET AHOLD OF THEM.
AND IN THAT AREA, YOU MAY BE ABLE TO PICK UP SOME INFORMATION.
I DON'T THINK IT'S AS MUCH AS OF AN ISSUE WITH IT BEING ABANDONED, BUT THE PROPERTY'S STILL OWNED BY SOMEONE THAT COULD HAVE A DISAGREEMENT.
COULD BE THE BUILDING, A BUILDING SITE FOR A NEW HOME.
MAYBE THEY'RE GONNA TEAR IT DOWN, BUILD A NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY'RE GONNA PERSONALLY LIVE IN AND, AND THE DISTANCE IS CLOSE ENOUGH THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY YEAH.
TO, TO DISAPPROVE OR DIS DISAGREE OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO, AND I'M WITH HIM ACCORDING TO WHAT WE'VE GOT, YOU KNOW, I'M GOING TO DENY, BUT YOU GOT ANOTHER SHOT NEXT.
WHAT IS IT NEXT MONTH? NEXT NEXT MONTH.
FIND THOSE PEOPLE, YOU KNOW, GET SOMETHING.
BUT HE AN EMAIL
I WAS JUST GOING TO ADD, HE'S AN ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNER, SO HE WOULD HAVE BEEN NOTIFIED FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT THAT THIS PROPERTY HAD AN UPCOMING PUBLIC HEARING AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ALSO DIDN'T HEAR ANY, WHICH DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN ANYTHING.
BUT HE WAS NOTIFIED, WHICH MEANS HE DOES OR DOESN'T CARE.
BUT WHICH ADDRESS DO YOU SEND IT TO? THE ADDRESS? WE ARE REQUIRED TO SEND IT TO THE MAILING ADDRESS, THE LEGAL, THE MAILING ADDRESS THAT THE, NOT THE 9 1 1 ADDRESS, THE LEGAL MAILING ADDRESS LISTED IN THEIR PROPERTY RECORDS.
PROPERTY OWNER'S LEGAL MAILING ADDRESS.
SO I MEAN, AND OF COURSE, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MAY OVERRIDE WHAT WE SAY IN PAST ANYWAY, NO MATTER WHAT, BUT STILL YEAH.
HAVE YOUR OTHER AMMUNITION HAVE THAT SO THAT YOU CAN, OKAY.
YEAH, WE HAVE THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE THIS.
AND YOU READY? I'M READY AHEAD.
I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION FORWARD THE APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION TO DENY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 26 0 3 0 7.
THERE'LL BE FORWARDED ON TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO SAYING PLEASE GET YOUR DOCUMENTATION.
[VII.A. S-03-2026 - Comprehensive Plan Review - 386 Ashby Station Road - A request for a Comprehensive Plan Review for an Electric Substation. The property is located at 386 Ashby Station Road and is identified on tax map 5 as lot 5. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and located in the North River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Interim Planning Director]
BUSINESS S SO 3 20 26 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW.3 86 ASHBY ASHBY STATION ROAD REQUEST FOR A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REVIEW FOR AN ELECTRIC SUBSTATION PROPERTIES LOCATED AT 3 86 ASHBY STATION ROAD IDENTIFIED IN TAX MAP FIVE AS LOT FIVE PROPERTIES OWNED AGRICULTURAL LOCATED IN NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
ATTACHED HIS REQUEST FROM RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE FOR A DETERMINATION THAT A PROPOSED SITE FOR AN ELECTRIC SUBSTATION AT 3 86 ASHBY STATION ROAD, ROUTE 3 45 22 NORTH CORRIDOR IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THE SITE IS ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND LOCATED ON TAX MAP FIVE IS PARCEL FIVE.
ALONG WITH THIS REQUEST IS AN APPLICATION FOR A 20 ACRE EXEMPT SUBDIVISION THAT WILL SUBDIVIDE A 25 POINT 12 ACRE PORTION OF TAX MAP FIVE, PARCEL FIVE ALONG THE SOUTHEAST PORTION OF THE PARCEL.
A COPY OF THE SKETCH LAYOUT ON THE SITE IS INCLUDED, OR OF THE SITE IS INCLUDED.
SECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C OF THE WARREN COUNTY ORDINANCE DEFINES PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES AS TELEPHONE LINES, CABLE LINES, FIBER OPTIC LINES, ELECTRICAL LINES, CARRYING AN ELECTRICAL CURRENT, NOT AN EXCESS OF THE MEDIUM VOLTAGE CLASS AS DEFINED BY AMER AMERICAN NATIONAL STANDARDS INSTITUTE C EIGHT 4.1.
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AS AMENDED POLLS SUPPORTING SUCH LINES, TRANSFORMERS, PIPES, METERS, AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES AND FACILITIES.ANCILLARY THERETO NECESSARY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY SHALL BE PERMITTED IN ALL DISTRICTS.
THIS DEFINITION SHALL NOT BE CONSTRUED TO INCLUDE POWER GENERATION OF ENERGY STORAGE UNLESS SUCH USES ARE INCIDENTAL SECTION 180 DASH 10 E OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
STATES, UNLESS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED BY THIS CHAPTER AND SUBJECT TO ANY RELEVANT USE LIMITATIONS IN DEVELOPMENT STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THIS CHAPTER, PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES SHALL BE PERMITTED IN ALL DISTRICTS.
THE PROPOSED SITE IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT.
THE SITE SHOULD BE SCREENED APPROPRIATELY PURSUANT TO SECTION 180 DASH 18 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, OR AS OTHERWISE RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SECTION 180 DASH 65 B ONE OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE REQUIRES THAT NO PUBLIC BUILDING, PUBLIC STRUCTURE, OR PUBLIC UTILITY SHALL BE CONSTRUCTED, ESTABLISHED, OR AUTHORIZED UNTIL THE GENERAL LOCATION OR APPROXIMATE LOCATION, CHARACTER AND EXTENT THEREOF HAS BEEN SUBMITTED TO AND APPROVED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AS BEING SUBSTANTIALLY IN ACCORD WITH THE ADOPTED COMPREHENSIVE PLAN OR PART THEREOF.
THE COMMISSION SHALL COMMUNICATE ITS FINDINGS TO THE BOARD INDICATING APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL WITH WRITTEN REASONS.
THEREFORE, THE COMMISSION MAY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IF IT FEELS THAT ONE IS NECESSARY.
AS STATED IN THE APPLICANT'S STATEMENT OF JUSTIFICATION, THE COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES GOAL SIX, CHAPTER SIX, PAGE 1 72, AS PROVIDING INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT INDUSTRIAL AND COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, INCLUDING A PROVIDING BUSINESS AND INDUS INDUSTRY WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE REQUIRED FOR FUTURE DEVELOPMENT AND EXPANSION.
B, REVIEW AND EXPLORE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER OPTIONS AND ALTERNATIVES, AND C WORK WITH ELECTRIC PROVIDERS ON CURRENT AND FUTURE CAPACITY LIMITS.
UH, LOOKS LIKE WE HAVE A PRESENTATION.
MR. CHAIRMAN OF THE MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
I'M GENERAL COUNSEL FOR RAPPA HAND ELECTRIC CO-OP.
IT'S GREAT TO BE IN WARREN COUNTY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.
UH, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU HAD A LOT ON YOUR, YOUR AGENDA THIS EVENING, SO I'LL BE PRETTY QUICK AND I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS THEREAFTER.
WE ALSO HAVE, UH, WITH US, UH, REPRESENTATIVES FROM RAPHE ELECTRIC CO-OP, IF I CAN'T ANSWER ANY TECHNICAL QUESTIONS, UH, AS WELL.
UM, THE REASON WE'RE HERE IS BECAUSE EVEN THOUGH YOUR UNDERLYING ZONING ORDINANCE ALLOWS THIS PARTICULAR USE IN THE LOCATION THAT WE HAVE IT, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, UH, THE STATE REQUIRES UNDER 15.2 2232 FOR THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO CONFIRM THAT A PUBLIC UTILITY IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE HERE THIS EVENING, AND THAT'S WHY THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN FILED.
UM, AND I'LL GO THROUGH THIS REAL QUICK.
UH, SO I JUST NOTED 15.2 2232, WHICH IS A STATE CODE PROVISION, WHICH REQUIRES THE, UH, PLANNING COMMISSION TO DETERMINE THAT THIS PROPOSED USE IS IN STA SUBSTANTIAL CORD.
UM, THE REQUEST AGAIN IS NOTED, IS CONSISTENT WITH YOUR UNDERLYING ZONING ORDINANCE FOR THIS PARTICULAR U USE IN THIS LOCATION.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THIS USE IS ABOUT 2000 FEET WEST OF WINCHESTER ROAD.
WE'VE TUCKED IT BACK BEHIND THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UH, IT, IT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO ALREADY EXISTING TRANSMISSION.
SO, AND I'LL GET INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT, AND WE'RE USING ROUGHLY 11 OF THE 25 ACRES OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
BUT, BUT, BUT BASICALLY THIS IS TO, UH, ADDRESS CURRENT CAPACITY AND FUTURE CAPACITY.
UH, SO FOR RESIDENTIAL COMMERCIAL GROWTH IN, IN WARREN COUNTY AND IN THE REGION, UM, WE HAVE 182,000 METERS, UH, THAT WE SERVE IN HAN ELECTRIC CO.
WE'RE IN 22 DIFFERENT COUNTIES, OF COURSE, INCLUDING WARREN COUNTY.
WE CONTINUE TO GROW, UH, AS WE GROW, UH, THAT PUTS MORE PRESSURE ON OUR OTHER FACILITIES.
SO WE NEED TO BUILD THESE SUBSTATIONS IN ORDER TO ENSURE RELIABILITY AND RELIEVES THOSE FACILITIES AS WELL.
SO AGAIN, UH, WE'RE PROPOSING A ELECTRIC SUBSTATION AT THIS LOCATION WITH SOME DISTRIBUTION FACILITIES, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH YOUR UNDERLYING ORDINANCE.
UH, IT PROVIDES ESSENTIAL PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICES AT RESIDENTS OF, OF TWO RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY.
THIS IS A VERY, VERY NORMAL PROCESS.
UH, IN ADDITION TO US IMPROVING OUR RIGHT OF WAY AREAS ON OUR POWER LINES, WE ALSO HAVE TO IMPROVE OUR, OUR UTILITY SUBSTATION INFRASTRUCTURE.
UH, THE PROJECT IS IN SUBSTANTIAL CORD WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AS STAFF NOTED.
UH, SECTION SIX OF YOUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN PROVIDES NECESSARY ELECTRIC INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE COMMUNITY, INCLUDING FOR RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND INDUSTRY.
THE PROJECT WILL SUPPORT FUTURE CAPACITY NEEDS.
IT WILL ALSO ENHANCE RELIABILITY, WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS KEY.
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UH, AND THE STRATEGICALLY LOCATED TO MINIMIZE IMPACTS.AGAIN, WE'VE TUCKED THIS, YOU KNOW, PRETTY FAR BACK UP AGAINST THE TRANSMISSION FACILITIES AND AWAY FROM ANY DENSE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH.
UH, AND IT'S COMPATIBLE WITH SURROUNDING USES AND ADJACENT TO EXISTING TRANSMISSION.
AND WE'RE ALSO ADJACENT TO INDUSTRIAL PARK AND UNDEVELOPED LAND.
HERE IS THE, UH, THE, UH, UH, SITE PLAN THAT WE HAVE SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
YOU CAN SEE, UM, OUR ACCESS TO, UH, ROUTE, UH, 5 22 AND THREE 40.
UM, THAT RUNS ALL THE WAY BACK TO THE FACILITY.
AND YOU SEE OUR CONNECTION THERE TO THE TRANSMISSION FACILITY.
UH, WE'RE TUCKED BACK, UM, YOU KNOW, BASICALLY, UH, SETTING OURSELVES AWAY FROM ANY SORT OF DENSE RESIDENTIAL GROWTH, THAT ACCESS IS ABOUT 200 FEET.
SO WE'LL BE ABLE TO GET OUR TRUCKS BACK THERE.
YOU PROBABLY KNOW HOW SUBSTATIONS OPERATE WHEN THERE, THERE'S HARDLY ANYBODY.
WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE THERE EVERY DAY, SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A LOT OF TRAFFIC RUNNING BACK AND FORTH.
WE'LL BE THERE TO DO GENERAL MAINTENANCE AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS, AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
DO, DO YOU HAVE ACCESS TO ASHBY STATION? UM, NO.
THE ONLY ACCESS THAT WE WOULD'VE, UH, IN ORDER TO DO THE SUBDIVISION WAS THE 200 FOOT WIDE GOING OUT TO 500 FEET.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE LANDLOCKED TO THE THAT'S RIGHT.
TO THE WEST OR TO THE EAST, I'M SORRY.
AND THEN, UM, WE DID, UH, GARY AND I MET WITH WE OUT THERE AND BECAUSE IT'S A VERY MINIMALLY USED ENTRANCE, THEY WERE OKAY WITH CITING, UH, BEFORE WE EVEN PROCEEDED WITH, UH, YEAH.
'CAUSE I, YEAH, I LIVE JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM THERE AND I DRIVE UP THERE QUITE OFTEN.
SO I KNOW THE TRAFFIC UP THERE AS WELL AS THE, THE STOPLIGHT RUNNING THAT HAPPENS IN DOLLAR GENERAL IS ACTUALLY, UH, WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO GET THE SPEED LIMIT LOWERED HAD A COMMENT ABOUT, UH, SOMEDAY THEY'RE, THEY'RE WAITING FOR ONE OF THEIR TRUCKS TO GET, UH, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT, UH, T-BONED, DESPITE IT'S AN UPHILL ON BOTH DIRECTIONS.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BE, YOU'RE GONNA BE A PRECARIOUS PLACE.
THE QUESTION I HAVE REALLY IS TO, WELL, FIRST OF ALL, THIS IS VERY GENERIC MM-HMM
UH, FOR ASKING US TO APPROVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS.
AND YOU DO HAVE RESIDENCE RIGHT BEHIND YOU, NOT THAT FAR FROM YOU.
UH, FAIRLY LARGE HOMES BACK THERE.
THE, UH, AND THEY'RE MORE IN WILLS DISTRICT THAN IN, IN MY DISTRICT.
THE, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MORE INFORMATION, MORE DETAIL, YOU KNOW, A SUBSTATION 480,000 SQUARE FEET.
WHAT KIND OF AREA DOES THAT PROVIDE? I UNDERSTAND THAT WOULD ALSO DEPEND ON THE DEMAND AS WELL.
UH, YOU KNOW, WHAT IS YOUR CURRENT MAX MAXIMUM DEMAND? AND WHAT IS YOUR, WHAT IS THE NEED THAT THIS IS FILLING THAT YOU, YOU CLAIM YOU HAVE NOW? OKAY.
YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FUTURE, BUT YOU KNOW, WHAT IS, WHAT IS YOUR REQUIREMENT NOW THAT IS, IS STATING THAT IT'S NEEDED? THE, UH, I ALSO AM A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN PUSHING, AND WE HEAR IT ALL THE TIME ON THE NEWS TRANSPARENCY, UH, APPROVING SOMETHING LIKE THIS WITHOUT HAVING A PUBLIC HEARING.
UM, EVEN THOUGH WE KNOW THE PEOPLE WHO COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARING ARE GONNA BE THOSE THAT ARE AGAINST IT, BUT I THINK IT'S STILL, YOU KNOW, SINCE YOU GUYS ARE OUR NEIGHBORS YEAH.
YOUR HEADQUARTERS ARE JUST DOWN THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVE.
THAT, UH, I THINK IT'S BEING A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO HAVE REALLY A PUBLIC HEARING AND, YOU KNOW, BRING THE MORE DETAILED INFORMATION.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T NEED TO GET INTO THE TECHNICAL STUFF ABOUT ALL THE OTHER THINGS, BUT ONE THING THAT IN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT WOULD BE NOISE.
AND I'M NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT THE AUDIBLE NOISE TO THE HUMAN EAR, THE HIGH PITCH NOISE THAT MAY AFFECT SOME OF THE FARM ANIMALS THAT ARE AROUND THAT AREA, THAT YOU DO HAVE, UH, SOME CATTLE FARMS NOT TOO FAR FROM THERE OVER AT NARDO, UH, GOLF COURSE JUST NORTH OF THERE.
SO THAT KIND OF STUFF, I THINK IS, UH, YOU KNOW, HOW FAR DOES THAT NOISE TRANSMIT? AND GRANTED, THAT MAKES A DIFFERENCE BEING IN THE ARMY.
I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, A CRACK OF A RIFLE CHANGES WITH HUMIDITY AND, AND OTHER VARIABLES.
SO THESE ARE THE KIND OF, YOU KNOW,
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SPECIFICS I THINK WOULD BE HELPFUL IN MAKING A DECISION ON THIS, AT LEAST FOR ME.DO YOU WANT TO, UH, WELL, A COUPLE COUPLE THINGS.
SO, ONE, THE PROCESS WE'RE, WE'RE FOLLOWING YOUR PROCESS, RIGHT? MM-HMM
SO, UH, IF, IF IT WAS A PUBLIC HEARING, WE'D, WE'D BE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND, AND ADDRESS COMMENTS, RIGHT? SO, RIGHT.
SO, UH, THE PROCESS IS OBVIOUSLY FOR YOU TO RE REVIEW AND DETERMINE IF IT'S SPECIFICALLY A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FOOTPRINT, THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL 11 ACRES OR SO FOOTPRINT FOR A SUBSTATION.
IT'S NOT A MAJOR, UH, SER YOU KNOW, LARGE, SUPER LARGE SUBSTATION.
THIS ISN'T SERVING A DATA CENTER OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE.
THIS IS A VERY TYPICAL, UH, SUBSTATION FACILITY THAT BASICALLY IS ADDRESSING WHAT CURRENTLY NEEDS ARE IN FUTURE.
WE DON'T WANT TO BE IN A SITUATION WHERE WE DON'T HAVE PROPER ELECTRIC FACILITIES IN ORDER TO ADDRESS GROWTH THAT'S COMING.
SO WE'RE GETTING AHEAD OF THE GAME IS WHAT WE'RE DOING HERE.
UM, I WILL TELL YOU FROM A NOISE PERSPECTIVE, UM, SO I DON'T KNOW HOW CLOSE TO, DO YOU KNOW HOW CLOSE TO NEAREST HOME IS, UH, NEAREST HOME, I ASSUME? PROBABLY A FIVE, 600.
I THINK FROM WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MAP, UM, THOSE NOISE OR, OR, UM, NOISES OF TRANSFORMERS AND THE SUBSTATION IN GENERAL ARE DICTATED BY, UM, UH, NATIONAL ELECTRIC CODE.
AND THEY ARE, I THINK IT'S 71 OR 72 DBA DB, UM, AS THE MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE LIMIT AT THAT POINT.
HOW ABOUT THE PITCH, YOU KNOW, 2000 STILL ABOVE 20,000? UH, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT, WELL, I'M JUST THINKING OF WILDLIFE.
AND, UH, THE ONE THING I WILL SAY TOO, UM, A LOT OF THIS IS GONNA DEPEND ON FIRST ENERGY.
WHO'S THE TRANSMISSION PROVIDER HERE? SINCE WE'RE JUST A DISTRIBUTION COOPERATIVE, WE HAVE TO GET OUR TRANSMISSION FROM THEM.
UM, THEY CAN DICTATE THAT SOME OF THE FOOTPRINT MAY HAVE TO CHANGE ON THE SITE, BUT, UM, UM, YOU KNOW, IT WOULD BE SMALL VARIATIONS.
UM, ALSO TOO, BEING A DISTRIBUTION COOPERATIVE, I MEAN, OUR, OUR MEMBERS PAY FOR THAT.
THE LAND THAT WE'RE PURCHASING, THE REASON THAT WE'RE HERE BEFORE THE LAND IS EVEN PURCHASED IS BECAUSE IT'S OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT PROPERTY.
AND THAT'S WHY WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE, YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE BEING THE BEST STEWARDS OF OUR MEMBERS' MONEY TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS IS ACCEPTABLE BEFORE WE DO, WHICH WE ALL ARE HERE
A SUBSTATION SINCE THE EARLY EIGHTIES.
SO IS THAT THE MAIN ONE BEHIND YOUR BUILDING? YEAH, RIVERTON WOULD'VE BEEN THE LAST ONE WE, WE BOUGHT.
WHICH WE BUILT WOULD'VE BEEN ALLEGHENY, BUT THAT WAS IN EARLY EIGHTIES.
WE HAVE A 1956 TRANSFORMER DOUBLE GATE.
WE'RE GOING, WE'RE GOING REPLACE IT.
BUT YEAH, WE HAVE NOT DONE ANYTHING SINCE THE EIGHTIES.
SO IF WE DON'T, THEN GROWTH IS, YEAH, YOU GOT A PROBLEM.
AND, AND I WILL SAY FROM THE REAL ESTATE SIDE, PLAYING A ROLE IN HELPING THE TEAM LOCATE, UH, THIS FIND THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION INSIDE, IT HAS NOT BEEN AN EASY PROCESS.
SO YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE SITING TO YOUR POINT WHERE WE'RE HAVING THE LEAST IMPACT ON SURROUNDING PROPERTY OWNERS AND THE COMMUNITY.
AND BECAUSE OF ITS PROXIMITY TO THE TRANSMISSION, IT'S A REALLY GOOD LOCATION FOR THAT PURPOSE.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, ONE, I WAS GLAD TO HEAR YOU SAY THAT WOULDN'T WAS NOT COMING, IS PEOPLE SEE THE THING OF THEY SEE A SUBSTATION GOING IN AND A DATA CENTER IS GONNA GROW BEHIND IT.
IT, THIS, THIS WOULD NOT BE SIZE.
WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE TACKLING ALL THE PEOPLE WHO GOT LIKE A 13 ELECTRIC DE DEVICE, YOUR ELECTRONIC DEVICES IN THEIR HOUSE AND DV CARS.
AND I MEAN IT REALLY PUSHING THE GROWTH CAPACITY, YOU KNOW, ON OUR, SO IF YOU WANT KNOW WHERE ALL THE POWER'S GOING, THAT'S WHERE IT'S ALL GOING.
TRYING TO FIND A HOUSE THAT ONLY HAS 150 AMP, UH, UH, CIRCUIT BREAKER ANYMORE.
BUT I GOT THREE TEENAGE GIRLS, SO I, I COVER THAT.
I COVERED THAT 13 NUMBER PRETTY QUICK.
I SAID, WELL, WELL HOLD UP MY PHONE HERE.
I LIVE WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS, SO I'M NOT WHERE YOUR CUSTOMERS
SO YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IT'S, UM, UH, LIKE A BUYRIGHT USE, I GUESS IN THE AGRICULTURAL MM-HMM
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T SEE IT AS A LISTED BUYRIGHT USE.
UM, IT'S UNDER IS UTILITY PUBLIC UTIL YEAH.
IT'S 180 180 DASH 65 B ONE REQUIRES THAT.
NO, UH, IT GOES INTO ALL OF THAT.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S ALSO SECTION 180 DASH 10 E, UM, THAT ALLOWS THIS IN ALL DISTRICTS AND 180 8 C, WHICH WE'RE LOOKING AT DEFINITIONS HERE ALLOWS IN ALL DISTRICTS.
WE WE'RE IN A LOT, WE'RE IN A LOT OF AG DISTRICTS, BY THE WAY.
IT DOESN'T, IT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE AN AG USE, IT FEELS LIKE MM-HMM
UM, AND I THINK YOU HAD MENTIONED
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NOISE, UH, AND THE DECIBELS WAS LIKE 73, 71 OR SOMETHING.WHICH WOULD, WOULD ONLY FIT WITHIN OUR INDUSTRIAL USE.
UH, WHICH HAS A ALLOWABLE LIMIT OF SEVEN.
SEVEN, BOTH DURING THE DAY AND AT NIGHT.
THE AG IS 62 DURING THE DAY AND 57 AT NIGHT.
NOW THAT, THAT IS MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE AT FULL LOAD OF THE TRANSFORMER.
THAT'S, THAT'S ALL THE FANS RUNNING.
SO IF YOU'RE RUNNING A TRANSFORMER IN FULL CAPACITY, IN ORDER TO COOL THE OIL TO GIVE IT THAT CAPACITY, UM, YOU WOULD'VE, THE PROBLEM OF THE TRANSFORMER, WHICH USUALLY THEY'RE MUCH LOWER, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THAT, AS LOAD GOES UP, THAT HUM DOES GO UP.
ALSO ALONG WITH THE FANS, THAT'S WHAT MAXIMUM, MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE.
SO SAY FOR INSTANCE, YOU HAVE 10 FANS ON THE TRANSFORMER FIVE RUNNING STAGE ONE, THE OTHER FIVE RUNNING STAGE TWO.
SO YOU'RE NOT USING RUNNING A COOLING TOWER.
YOU'RE NOT RUNNING A COOLING TOWER? NO, NO.
THIS IS, UM, THEY'RE, UH, FOUR STAIRS, AIR TO AIR.
AND YOU SEE, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD.
YOU CAN SEE HERE WHERE, SAY THIS MIGHT NOT NECESSARILY SEEM LIKE AN AG USE, BUT BE ON A DAIRY FARM AT 5:00 AM WHEN IT'S RUNNING AND THERE MILKING ABOUT A HUNDRED HEAD OF COWS, YOU GOTTA HAVE ELECTRICITY.
AND YOU CAN SEE, YOU CAN SEE THERE WE'RE NEAR, WE'RE NEAR SOME INDUSTRIAL USES.
IN FACT, FAMILY DOLLAR DISTRIBUTION.
I GUESS SOME BACKGROUND FOR YOU IS, IS WHEN WE JUST WENT THROUGH OUR COMP PLAN UPDATE, UM, I THINK LAST YEAR, THIS PARCEL IN PARTICULAR, UH, GOT A LOT OF DISCUSSION.
UH, WE HAD EXPLORED, UM, SHOWING YOU THAT OUR FUTURE LAND USE, FUTURE LAND USE MAP IS, UH, AN INDUSTRIAL MM-HMM
AND THAT IT GOT A LOT OF PUSHBACK FROM THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND NOW LESS THAN A YEAR LATER, WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO 'EM AND SAY, WE'RE PUTTING IN A SUBSTATION.
IT, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA NOT SIT WELL.
WELL, I, I, I THINK YOU'RE, I APPRECIATE THAT AND I RESPECT THAT, THAT COMMENT OBVIOUSLY ALWAYS VERY SENSITIVE ABOUT THE COMMUNITY'S COMMENTS.
BUT THE, THE BOTTOM LINE IS, IS WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR REZONING HERE, RIGHT? WE'RE CORRECT.
THIS IS UNDER YOUR CURRENT ZONING ORDINANCE.
THIS IS ALLOWED USE, ALLOWABLE USE.
UM, AND THE REASON THAT IS, I'M SURE IS BECAUSE IF, IF WE GOT BOXED OUT IN EVERY CORNER, WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RELIABLE ELECTRICITY.
SO WE, WE ARE, THIS IS WHY WE TRY TO CONCENTRATE THESE IN LOCATION WHERE WE GOT COMPATIBLE USES N NEAR US AND ALSO TRANSMISSION.
'CAUSE THE LAST THING WE NEED TO DO IS OBTAIN MORE RIGHT OF WAY TO GET TO THE TRANSMISSION.
'CAUSE THEN I REALLY CATCH HECK FROM THE NEIGHBORS.
I WAS GONNA SAY THAT YOUR OPTIONS HERE ARE, YOU'RE THE CLOSEST TO EVERYTHING COMING IN AND GOING, GOING OUT.
THE, AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BE DISTURBING ANYONE'S ACCESS 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA HAVE OUR OWN ACCESS.
YOU'RE ALREADY NEXT DOOR TO REALLY THAT'S RIGHT.
AND, UM, WE DID APPROACH MULTIPLE PROPERTY OWNERS EVEN DOWN INTO THE INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UM, THE MOST COMMON THING WHEN YOU'RE APPROACHING SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT SELLING THEIR LAND ACTIVELY IS NO.
SO, UM, FORTUNATELY THIS WAS THIS, I DON'T THINK THIS WAS EVEN FOR SALE AT THE TIME WE APPROACHED.
NO, BUT THEY WERE, THEY WERE THE ONLY ONES IN THE AREA THAT IT WOULD EVEN ENTERTAIN.
WELL, WAS THERE ANY INTEREST AT SLATE FIRMS? I'M SORRY SIR.
IT'S LATE RUN FARMS. WHAT'S THAT? ACROSS THE STREET? YEAH, ACROSS 443 ACRES.
THAT'S ZONED OTHER SIDE OF INDUSTRIAL.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE PICKED THIS SITE IS BECAUSE OF WHERE THE TRANSMISSION LINE GOES.
UM, I'LL, FOR TRANSPARENCY, I DO LIVE IN THIS AREA.
UM, WE HAVE A SUBSTATION UP THERE THAT WE HAD TO GET TRANS ACROSS THE ROAD WAS OVER A HALF MILE AWAY OFF.
AT ROUTE SEVEN AT MILLBROOK HIGH SCHOOL IN RED
AND, UM, OBTAINING EASEMENTS AND HAVING FIRST ENERGY BUILD A LINE THERE IS NOT AN EASY TASK AND OR SHE YEAH.
AND, AND THE LINE, THERE WAS A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS TO GET A HALF MILE BILL IF YOU GO ANYTHING OVER A HALF A MILE.
AND WE DIDN'T OWN OR OBTAIN THE EASEMENTS FOR THEM TO DO THAT.
YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CP CN PROCESS.
WHICH PUTS YOU AT 18 MONTHS OR SO.
WELL, IT'S, LIKE I SAID, IT'S SOMETHING BEING GOOD STEWARDS OF OUR AMOUNT, AND THAT GOES TO THE POINT I WAS MAKING EARLIER, IS IF WE'VE GOT TO EXTEND TO TRANSMISSION TO GET TO THIS TRANSMISSION LINE, TRANSMISSION FACILITIES TO GET TO
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THIS LINE, WE'RE GONNA BE DISTURBING A LOT MORE PEOPLE.AND THEN WE'RE REALLY GONNA BE CATCHING, HECK, LIKE I SAID, THAT'S THE LAST THING WE WANT TO DO.
SO WE TRY TO GET AS CLOSE AS WE CAN TO THE TRAIN.
AND IT'S CHEAPER, CHEAPER FOR OUR MEMBERS TO DO IT.
SERVING, EARNING THE VIEW SHED WITH A LINE.
WELL, OBVIOUSLY IT'S SOMETHING WE'VE GOTTA HAVE.
IT'S, IT'S A MUST HAVE SITUATION.
UH, OUR AREA'S GROWING AND WE'RE USING UP THE ELECTRICITY.
WE HAVEN'T USED IT UP YET, BUT IT'S COMING.
THIS IS ACTUALLY VERY, WE'RE REAL CLOSE.
THIS IS, THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT SITE FOR, UM, EVEN GOING DOWN TO ROCK OR, UM, ROCKLAND ROAD AND 5 22, THE AREA THAT YOU'RE IN IS GONNA BE, IT'S A BIG DEAL TO SERVICE OUT THERE.
THIS IS HELPING US TO SERVE THAT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE A SUBSTATION NOT FAR FROM THAT AREA.
UM, THAT STATION IS CURRENTLY VERY CLOSE TO CAPACITY.
SO HAVING THIS ALLOWS US TO FEED BACK DOWN 5 22 MM-HMM
TO BE WHAT'S, WHAT'S CURRENTLY, WELL, IT GOES BACK TO WHAT I ORIGINALLY SAID, YOU KNOW, STUFF LIKE THAT.
IF THAT WAS IN HERE AS FAR AS SHOWING WHAT THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THIS ARC, WHY WE NEED IT NOW.
UH, BUT I, I'M NOT AGAINST IT.
IT'S, I FEEL THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING PART IS THE PART OF TRANSPARENCY THAT, YOU KNOW, WE HEAR FROM THE COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, THE STATE, YOU KNOW, FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, TRANSPARENCY, TRANSPARENCY, WELL TRICKLES DOWN TO THE LOWEST LEVEL OF GOVERNMENT
YOU KNOW, SO THAT'S WHY I THINK THIS WOULD BE, BE WISE FOR EVERYONE, UH, IS TO PUBLIC OR IS TO, UH, PUBLICIZE THIS AND, YOU KNOW, COME BACK WITH A LITTLE BIT MORE DOCUMENTATION WHY IT'S NEEDED SO THE COMMUNITY CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE THIS OR YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BROWNOUTS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SUMMER.
HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN, HAVE YOU GUYS BEEN WORKING ON THIS? AND IT'S BEEN A YEAR, A YEAR AND A HALF CLOSE.
WE'RE, WE'RE REACHING THE END OF OUR OPTION RIGHT NOW.
WELL, IT WOULD BE A 30 MINUTE, 30 DAY DELAY TO ADVERTISE IT.
OH, I DON'T, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH WHAT YOU'RE ASKING, BUT YEAH, WE'RE, I MEAN, WHAT ARE, WHAT, WHAT ARE WE TO DO HERE THIS EVENING? DO WE RECOMMEND THE, THAT'S A QUESTION FOR STAFF.
SO ARE WE, ARE WE THE APPROVAL OR ARE WE A RECOMMENDATION? YOU ARE THE APPROVAL.
YOU ARE THE APPROVE, WE ARE THE APPROVAL, UNLESS YOU DEEM IT NECESSARY TO HOST A PUBLIC HEARING, AND DANIEL CAN PROBABLY ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE.
BUT OUR CODE DICTATES THAT IN CONNECTION WITH ANY SUCH DETERMINATION, THE COMMISSION MAY, AND AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AFTER NOTICE AS REQUIRED BY 180, 61 B OF THIS ARTICLE, WHICH REFERS TO OUR ADVERTISEMENT REGULATIONS.
IF WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING AND WE HAVE IT NEXT MONTH, WE WOULD STILL BE THE APPROVAL PROVEN AUTHORITY ALSO COULD GET TO THE, OH, CAN WE EVEN, CAN WE EVEN DENY, I MEAN, REALLY WITH, IF YOU DENIED IT, WE'D HAVE TO APPEAL IT TO THE BOARD.
BUT YOU ARE THE DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY, NOT THE BOARD, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO IF WE DENY THAT, WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, WHICH ISN'T JUST ANOTHER STEP, AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR STAFF, BUT THAT, THAT TYPICALLY WOULDN'T BE A PUBLIC HEARING EITHER.
EITHER THAT WOULD BE THIS PROCESS.
SO THE ONLY OTHER OPTION WOULD BE PUBLIC HEARING, JUST TO MAKE IT KNOWN SO EVERYBODY WOULD BE AWARE OF WHAT IT IS.
WELL, THAT IT'S NOT BEING DONE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS.
THEY'RE NOT THINKING IT'S GONNA BE A NO KNOCK, WINK, WINK, APPROVAL OR DENIAL.
THEY DON'T THINK THAT ANYWAY,
THEY'RE GONNA THINK THAT ANYWAY.
WE'VE ALL GOT, GOT OUR POCKETS PAINTED IT BECAUSE OF THIS OR SOMETHING.
SO YEAH, I WOULD RECOMMEND ON THAT THE ROCKLAND ASSOCIATION IS EXTREMELY ACTIVE AND EVERYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING GOING ON.
SO YOU MIGHT WANT TO MAYBE HAVE A PRESENTATION TO THEIR, YOU KNOW, COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION, LET 'EM KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING.
WELL, MY STAND ON THIS IS THAT I'M FOR IT.
BUT WHATEVER Y'ALL THINK I'M LISTENING TO AS FAR AS PUBLIC HEARINGS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT'S GONNA BENEFIT ANYBODY, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD HURT.
SAME TIME WE, WE COULD, WE COULD CERTAINLY, IF YOU MOVE FORWARD THIS EVENING, I DON'T THINK THE TEAM WOULD HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH TALKING TO, JUST HAVING A PUBLIC, TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY.
TALKING TO THE COMMUNITY AND ADVERTISE IT.
IS THAT WHAT WE DO? IS THAT WHAT WE DO? SO PROCEDURE STATES THAT THE COMMISSION SHALL COMMUNICATE ITS FINDINGS TO THE BOARD INDICATING ITS APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL WITH WRITTEN REASONS.
THEREFORE, THE BOARD CAN OVERRULE THE ACTION
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OF THE COMMISSION BY A VOTE OF A MAJORITY OF THE MEMBERSHIP AND FAILURE OF THE COMMISSION TO ACT WITHIN 60 DAYS OF SUCH SUBMISSION.UNLESS SUCH TIME SHALL BE EXTENDED BY THE BOARD, SHALL BE DEEMED APPROVAL.
UM, SO THE OWNER OWNERS OR THEIR AGENTS MAY APPEAL THE DEC THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSION TO THE BOARD WITHIN 10 DAYS, UM, AFTER THE DECISION OF THE COMMISSION.
AND THE APPEAL SHALL BE BY WRITTEN PETITION TO THE BOARD SETTING FORTH THE REASONS FOR THE APPEAL.
AND A MAJORITY VOTE TO THE BOARD SHALL OVERRULE THE COMMISSION.
NOW, IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE, DOES IT STILL GO TO THE BOARD? NO, NO.
IF YOU VOTE TO APPROVE IT DOES NOT.
ALL YOU'RE DOING ARE PROVIDING YOUR WRITTEN REASONS FOR APPROVAL AND THE FINDINGS THEREOF TO THE BOARD.
THEY AT THAT POINT CAN OVERRULE YOUR DECISION.
BUT REGARDLESS, YOU HAVE TO SEND IN WRITING YOUR APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
NOW IS THAT GONNA BE A PUBLIC MEETING? NO.
I GUESS WHAT I WAS THINKING IS, IF WE HAD TO HAVE A COMMUNITY MEETING AND THEN A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S PUTTING US IN A POSITION TIME-WISE, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BE SPENDING SOME MORE MONEY, UH, TO KEEP THE OPTION ALIVE.
UM, IF THE BOARD, IF WE, WHERE IS YOUR OPTION GO? I MEAN, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE TO, WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE.
I THINK IT'S MAY, IT'S MAY IS THE OPTION'S UP AND THEN
WE HAVE THE OPTION AT THAT POINT TO TRY TO EXTEND, BUT I THINK THAT RIGHT.
SAY NO AND, OR THEN WE'RE THE SECOND WEDNESDAY OF EVERY MONTH.
SO THAT IS, THAT'S THAT NEXT, AND THE NEXT MONTH IS MAY.
WELL, I KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHERE MAY 13TH IS YOUR NEXT PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
WELL, WOULD THE OPTION WORK, IF YOU PROCEEDED TONIGHT, UM, IN SUPPORT OF THE PROJECT THAT WE HAD A COMMUNITY MEETING AFTERWARDS WITH THE WHOEVER THE GROUP, THE GROUPS ARE THAT YOU WANTED US TO TALK TO AGAIN, MY CONCERN IS IT WASN'T ADVERTISED.
SO THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THIS TONIGHT.
WAS THIS IT IT IS ADVERTISED IN THE NEWSPAPER.
IT IS ADVERTISED ON OUR AGENDA WEBSITE.
UM, SO IT WAS AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC, OBVIOUSLY WOULD, THEY WOULD'VE HAD TO HAVE GONE LOOKING FOR IT.
BUT IT IS NOT IN THE NEWSPAPER.
IT WAS NOT REQUIRED TO BE WOULD THE FLAG YES.
ONLY IF YOU REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING, SHALL WE PUT IT IN THE NEWSPAPER? I I JUST HAVE A CONCERN THAT IT, IT, IT WILL GIVE THE APPEARANCE WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS NECESSARY OR WE AGREE OR DISAGREE WITHOUT THE PUBLIC KNOWING ABOUT IT AND HAVING AN OPPORTUNITY TO VOICE IT ONE WAY OR THE OTHER IN ALLOWING RAPPA HEADACHE TO, YOU KNOW, DEFEND THEMSELVES OR CORRECT MISNOMERS THAT YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S MY CONCERN.
AND NO ONE'S HERE ELECTED, WE'RE APPOINTED SO WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THEM.
WELL, THE REASON THAT IT'S KIND OF BASIC IS BECAUSE WE DON'T, AND WE CAN'T ENGINEER UNTIL WE ACTUALLY PURCHASE THE LAND.
WELL, YEAH, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE LOOKING MORE AT, YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY IS THIS NECESSARY? OKAY.
WE'RE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT ME IF YOU'RE WRONG, AREN'T YOU REQUIRED TO BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT 180, 120% OF YOUR MAXIMUM DEMAND LOAD ATION? NO.
YOU SOME THE TRANSFER OVER? NO.
LIKE PEP PEPCO IN THE, ON THEIR, UH, PEAK DAYS, THEY, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO PRODUCE 120, UH, PERCENT OF THEIR, WHATEVER THEIR PEAK DEMAND WAS BECAUSE YEAH.
I USED TO MANAGE PROPERTY DOWNTOWN DC WE HAD THOSE ROLLING BLACKOUTS OR BROWNOUTS ALL THE DAY, QUITE OFTEN THIS SUMMER.
WELL, AND OUR GENERATORS WERE ALWAYS KICKING ON
AND, AND AS A DISTRIBUTION COOPERATIVE, WE'RE DIFFERENT THAN PEPCO WHERE THEY'RE INVEST THEIR OWN, UM, THEY ALSO OPERATE THEIR OWN TRANSMISSION.
SO, UM, DURING WINTER STORM FIRM BACK IN JANUARY, UM,
THAT WE WERE NOTIFIED BY FIRST ENERGY.
WE DON'T MAKE THOSE DECISIONS.
THAT'S ALL DICTATED BY THE TRANSMISSION.
SO ANYTHING THAT, IF THERE IN BLACKOUT THAT'S DICTATED BY FIRST ENERGY TO US, WE NEED TO SHUT LOAD WITHIN FIVE MINUTES.
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YEAH.UM, SO WE, WE, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
IT MAINTAINS, UH, INTEGRITY OF THE BULK ELECTRIC SYSTEM, UM, TO SAVE EVERYTHING AS A, SO, UM, FROM OUR STANDPOINT, NO.
I MEAN, WE CAN HAVE OUTAGES IF LOAD IS HIGH AND SOME OPERATES OUT ON THE LINE, BUT OUR INTENT IS NOT TO HAVE GROUND HOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I MEAN, SOME PARTS FOR A SYSTEM ARE WINTER PEAKING SOME PARTS OR SOME ARE PEAKING.
SO IT JUST DEPENDS ON IF THERE'S GAS, HEAT, ELECTRIC, HEAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S RUNNING THEIR AIR CONDITIONERS.
ROLLING BLACKOUTS AND STUFF, WE, WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
IF I'M READY TO, YOU KNOW, GO AHEAD AND APPROVE IT AS IS WITH THE CAVEAT THAT YOU HAVE A MEETING WITH THE BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER OR BROWNTOWN ROCKLAND COMMUNITY CENTER AND LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
WE, AND IT'S NOT, THAT'S WHAT WE DO A LOT.
SO THAT'S NOT, AND I'D LIKE THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, BUT I'M, I'M, I'M READY TO WELL WE LOOK, WE, IT'S A NECESSARY THING.
THIS IS SOMETHING WE GOTTA HAVE.
BUT I LIKE THE IDEA OF Y'ALL EDUCATING THE, THE PUBLIC SOMEWHERE SOMEHOW.
BUT I MEAN, WHAT'S THAT GONNA, WHAT GOOD'S THAT GONNA DO 'EM REALLY, BUT MM-HMM
EXCEPT THAT THEY'VE BEEN EDUCATED.
I MEAN, YOU'RE GONNA GET A WHOLE LOT OF FIRE BACK FROM PEOPLE THAT, THAT REALLY CAN'T STOP US ONE WAY OR THE OTHER NOW BECAUSE YOU MEET THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT YOU GIVE THEM, GIVE THEM THE REASON WHY.
I DON'T LIKE TO PLAY THE WHAT IF GAME, BUT IT'D BE EMBARRASSING TO PUSH US OFF 30 DAYS, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOBODY SHOWS UP.
AND I DON'T WANT 'EM HOLD, I DON'T WANT TO HOLD THIS UP AND HAVE TO SPEND MORE MONEY, WHICH THEN DICTATES WHEN, WHEN THEY START SPENDING MORE MONEY, OUR ELECTRIC DON'T SPEND, SPEND MORE MONEY.
AND, AND I THINK A, A SUBSEQUENT MEETING WITH THE COMMUNITY IS BETTER FROM WHERE WE ARE RIGHT NOW.
'CAUSE WE HAVEN'T DESIGNED IT YET.
SO ONCE WE, WE GET INTO A PLACE WHERE WE'VE DESIGNED IT, THAT WE CAN SPEAK MORE, UH, INTELLIGENTLY, IF YOU WILL, TO THE QUESTIONS.
AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE'S CONCERNS ARE GONNA BE ABOUT THE DATA CENTERS.
THIS, THIS SUBSTATION COULDN'T, COULDN'T HANDLE IT.
IT AIN'T GONNA HANDLE A DATA CENTER ANYWAY, FROM WHAT I'M HEARING Y'ALL TALK ABOUT.
ON TOP OF THAT, WE DON'T HAVE THE WATER TO COOL.
WE DON'T HAVE, WE CAN'T PUT A DATA CENTER IN UNLESS, BUT STILL IT WON'T.
THIS IS NOT, THIS IS NOT BEING DESIGNED BILL FOR A DATA CENTER AND THEN, AND THE ELECTRIC THAT THEY'RE GONNA PUT INTO A AIR COOL DATA CENTER AIN'T COMING OUTTA THAT ONE.
THIS IS, THIS WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL AND INDUSTRIAL.
AND I THINK THAT'S THE THING THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA BE SCARED OF.
OH, THEY'RE PUTTING IN A SUBSTATION NOW THEY'RE GONNA PUT IN DATA CENTERS.
THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S THE WHOLE PUBLIC INFORMATION THING THAT I THINK YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OUT.
WELL THAT, THAT'S KIND OF MY THOUGHTS THERE AS WHOLE TO THE COMMUNITY.
IT'S GOING TO, IT'S GOTTA BE, BE MORE VOCAL AS TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU'RE AFRAID OF ISN'T HAPPENING.
SOMEBODY TELL ME WHEN WE CAN MAKE AN, UH, MOTION
I'M, UH, AS SOON AS I PULL IT UP, I MOVED THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DETER, UM, DETERMINED THAT THE PROPOSED SITE FOR THE ELECTRIC, UH, SUBSTATION AT 3 86 AS STATION ROAD, ROUTE THREE 40 SLASH 5 22 NORTH CORRIDOR IS IN COMPLIANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
SO THERE, SO THAT'S WHAT OUR RECOMMENDATION SAYS.
I'LL SECOND SO WE CAN GET A VOTE.
I ABSTAIN FOR PURPOSE OF, I FEEL IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, WHY THIS GOT PUSHED BACK SO FAR? I HAVE NO IDEA, BUT I THINK WE STILL OWE IT TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC.
AYE, I MEAN THAT, THAT'S YOUR CONSCIENCE.
YOU KNOW WHAT THE COMMUNITY, I MEAN THAT'S, THANK YOU.
YOU, YOU HAVE CONNECTIONS WITH THE SHADOW DOG GROUP, DON'T YOU? YEAH.
WE'LL, WE'LL LET ROCKLIN COME, YOU KNOW, BUT WE'LL, WE'LL, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT OUR COMMUNITY RELATIONSHIP FOR EACH OTHER AND I'M WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO PUT TOGETHER OR YEAH.
GET THE INFORMATION THAT REALLY THE PUBLIC IS, IS GOING
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TO UNDERSTAND.BECAUSE YOU GUYS, AS ENGINEERS ARE TALKING UP HERE, RESIDENTIAL WITH THEIR KNOWLEDGE IS HERE.
AND AS A FORMER PROPERTY MANAGER, MINE'S A LITTLE BIT HIGHER.
ME LAWYERS ARE RIGHT DOWN HERE AND, AND YEAH.
IN YOUR IDEA OF LOW VOLTAGE IN, IN MY BUSINESS, UH, 2 77 WAS HIGH VOLTAGE
[VIII. Consent Agenda]
THE CONSENT AGENDA.MR. CHAIRMAN, I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS PRESENTED THERE.
OPPOSED CONSENT AGENDA IS APPROVED COMMISSION
[IX. Commission Matters]
MEMBERS CONCERNS? ALL YOU GOT ANYTHING? AYE.YOU KNOW, I DO HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WHERE WE'RE GOING TO WITH THESE LONG, SHORT TERM RENTALS.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE'VE ALL TALKED ABOUT IT IN THE PAST AND I DON'T KNOW, I, UM, THAT THE, I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE GROWTH OF IT AND I THINK WE'RE STARTING TO SEE MORE AND MORE CONCERNS ABOUT IT.
AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA GET OUT IN FRONT OF THAT, WHAT WE NEED TO DO.
SO WHAT DO WE, WHAT YOU ALL GOT ON THAT.
I MEAN, YOU CAN'T JUST, EVERY PROPERTY THAT BECOMES VACANT, I'M SURE THE NEIGHBORHOODS AREN'T GONNA WANT 'EM TURNED INTO RENTAL.
UH, SHORT TERM RENTAL PROPERTIES.
UM, WE'VE APPROACHED, UH, POTENTIAL TEXT AMENDMENTS TO THE SHORT-TERM TAURIST RENTAL, UM, REGULATIONS A COUPLE OF TIMES.
I DO NOT KNOW THAT IT IS LEGAL TO IMPOSE A MORATORIUM ON SHORT-TERM TAURIST RENTALS.
WE'D NEED TO LOOK AT THE STATE CODE.
UM, SO I MEAN, IF YOU GUYS FEEL IT'S NECESSARY TO BRING FORWARD ANOTHER TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL REGULATIONS IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE, WE WOULD, THERE WAS NEED TO CONVENE.
THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE, UH, ONE OF THE COUNTIES HERE DID AMEND THEIR FOR SHORT TERM RENTALS AND I HAVE NO IDEA.
IT SEEMS TO ME I HEARD SOMETHING ABOUT IT TOO THAT DID, DID THEY HAVE ANYTHING MISSED? IT SEEMED LIKE A GOOD IDEA WHEN I HEARD IT, BUT I DIDN'T PAY ENOUGH ATTENTION TO IT WAS, SO IT WAS MAYBE TWO, TWO OR THREE WEEKS AGO.
IT WAS IN THE VIRGINIA, NORTH, NORTHERN VIRGINIA.
UH, ABOUT, I'M THINKING IT WAS CDO COUNTY.
HAD PASSED A, SOME KIND OF REGULATION ABOUT SHORT-TERM RENTALS.
SO I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT WAS.
UM, YEAH, THAT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE REAL GOT REAL CONCERNS ABOUT IS, AND I'M STARTING TO HEAR MORE AND MORE FROM THE PEOPLE OUT THERE TOO ABOUT IT.
UM, I REMEMBER A FEW MIN MEETINGS BACK KELLY SAYING SLIGHTLY OVER 1% OF THE HOUSES IN WARREN COUNTY ARE SHORT TERM RENTALS.
BUT YEAH, FOR US IT'S NOT BAD FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC THOUGH.
AS SOON AS ONE GOES IN BESIDE THEM, WHAT GRADE EXACTLY
BUT, UH, AND YOU KNOW, I'M NOT SURE, I DON'T, I'M NOT FACED WITH THAT.
I DON'T KNOW HOW I'D FEEL ABOUT A SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT FROM WHAT I'M SEEING, I, IT'S LIKE SOMEBODY RENTING A HOUSE OVER HERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE THERE FOR THE WEEKENDS.
WELL, SO YOU GOT A NEW NEIGHBOR EVERY WEEKEND.
AND I LOOK AT THE THING THERE TOO.
YOU KNOW, IF YOU CAN'T RENT IT SHORT, THEN YOU RENT IT LONG, YOU RENT IT, LONG BUY THEN, THEN YOU CAN'T CONTROL IT.
THEY CAN'T CONTROL FIREARMS, YOU CAN'T CONTROL ANYTHING.
AIN'T NOBODY GOT, THE LANDLORD AIN'T EVEN GOT CONTROL OVER THAT.
WE HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO REGULATIONS FOR LONG-TERM RENTAL AND LANDLORDS.
THEY JUST PUT SOMEBODY IN THERE AND WHETHER SOMETIMES THEY DON'T HAVE CONTROL.
SO I MEAN AT LEAST WE'VE GOT CONTROL OVER THE, THE CONDITIONS, THE, THE SITUATION.
SO, I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO BE PREPARED 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA GET HIT WITH MORE OF WHAT WE SAW HERE THIS EVENING.
WE, WE'VE BEEN HIT WITH WORSE IN THE PAST.
YOU GUYS HAVE, I HAVE IT YET BASED ON THE MOST RECENT STUDY THAT I DID.
AND I, AGAIN, I, I'LL BE HONEST, I HAVEN'T TOUCHED THAT STUDY IN SEVERAL MONTHS.
UM, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF APPROVALS.
WE WERE SEEING A DECLINE IN APPLICATIONS FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
WE OBVIOUSLY SAW IT PEAK POST COVID WITH THE LA THE COUPLE YEARS POST COVID BECAUSE OF, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUS REASONS.
UM, BUT WE ARE SEEING IT TRENDING DOWNWARD.
YOU KNOW WHERE IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD UP TO IN THE PAST TWO PREVIOUS MONTHS, WE'VE
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HAD ONE EACH.SCOTT, ANYTHING YOU GOT? I WAS, THIS IS A QUESTION.
IT'S NOT TO BE CRITICIZED, POINTED TOWARDS ANYBODY.
HOW DID RAPID HANOCK GET BACK UP TO A DEADLINE? WAS THAT, WAS THAT AS THEIR, THEIR ERROR OR A DEADLINE? FOR WHAT? I'M SORRY.
THEY WERE, THEY WERE SPEAKING, WE JUST HEARD ABOUT TONIGHT.
IT MUST BE TIED TO A CONTRACT.
NO, I MEAN WHEN DID THEY START THIS PROCESS? DID THEY STARTED APPROXIMATELY TWO MONTHS AGO? UM, I HELD THEM UP BRINGING IT TO YOU BECAUSE I WANTED UH, MORE COMMENTS BACK, WHICH WE, AT THE TIME WE HADN'T RECEIVED, WHICH ENOUGH AGENCY COMMENTS THAT I FELT COMFORTABLE PUTTING IT ON YOUR AGENDA.
UM, WHEN WE RECEIVED ALL OF THE COMMENTS, I PUT IT ON THE AGENDA.
SO WE'VE HAD IT FOR ROUGHLY TWO MONTHS.
THEY BACKED THEMSELVES INTO A CORNER.
NO, THEY DID PLAN ON THEIR BY, BY APPLYING TOO LATE.
UM, IT IS ON ME FOR HOLDING THE APPLICATION UP.
UM, BUT AT THE SAME TIME I WAS WAITING, I BUT YOU IF YOU HOLDING, I WAS WAITING ON AGENCY COMMENTS.
IF IT DOESN'T MEET THE STANDARDS THEN WE DON'T NEED TO SEE IT 'CAUSE WE JUST TABLE IT.
AH, THERE'S NO HOLIDAYS COMING UP BETWEEN NOW AND THE NEXT MEETING, SO I'VE GOT NOTHING.
SO WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS HAN THING NOW? IT'S DONE.
YOU ALL WILL NEED, UM, AND I CAN WORK WITH ROBERT.
ROBERT PROBABLY HAS SOME EXPERIENCE WITH WRITING.
UM, MAYBE ZILCH, ZILCH, SWEET.
UM, WE'LL WORK TOGETHER ON DRAFTING.
UM, YOU GUYS HAVE TO, TO PUT TOGETHER SOME VERBIAGE TO GO TO THE, TO THE BOARD.
SO I'LL GET WITH ROBERT AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT AND GET ALL OF YOU GUYS TO SIGN IT AND OR DRAFT.
WE'LL WORK WITH DRAFT LETTING AND PSYCH TO GET SOME, SOME BLESSING.
YEAH, I MEAN EITHER JORDAN OR DANIEL HERE CAN PROBABLY, THEY'RE MORE THAN WILLING TO HELP WITH THAT VERBIAGE.
UH, NOBODY'S OVER AT THAT TABLE.
DANIEL, YOU GOT ANYTHING ELSE? NOTHING TO ADD.
GOOD TO BE HERE WITH YOU AND, UH, HAPPY TO, TO TRY TO COVER FOR JORDAN TONIGHT.
IT SEEMS LIKE ANYTHING ELSE KELLY? UM, I DID, I I MIGHT DEFER IT TO ALLISON 'CAUSE SHE IS THE MASTERMIND BEHIND IT.
UM, WE DID INCLUDE ON OUR WEBSITE A NEW FILLABLE FORM FOR, UM, COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC FOR ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA.
SO IT'S AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO FILL OUT A FORM.
UM, THEY CAN SPECIFY WHO THEY ARE.
THEY NEED TO INDICATE EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE SPEAKING OF.
UM, THERE'S A FIELD THAT IS REQUIRED AND WE WILL BE ABLE TO ADD THOSE TO AGENDA PACKETS, UM, GET THEM IN FRONT OF YOU.
SO IT'S JUST ANOTHER OPTION, UM, TO HAVE AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC TO PRODUCE COMMENTS FOR, FOR YOU GUYS.
OTHER THAN THAT, I HAVE NOTHING TO ADD.
I'M GLAD TO BE HERE WITH YOU AS ALWAYS.
UM, WE'RE JUST TRYING TO, I GUESS DO A LITTLE SOUS SAYING HERE AND WARD OFF SOME POSSIBLE INCOMING COMPLAINTS.
SO JUST TO MAKE IT EASIER ON EVERYBODY, GIVE GIVE ALL OF OUR CONSTITUENTS A CENTRALIZED LOCATION THAT THEY CAN COME AND MAKE COMMENTS ON ANYTHING.
SO IT WILL BE ROUTED THROUGH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
SO THIS IS PREDOMINANTLY TOWARDS THINGS THAT WE ARE PUTTING ON THE AGENDA FOR PLANNING AND ZONING PURPOSES.
NOT NECESSARILY ANYTHING THAT SHOWS UP ON A BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AGENDA.
SO IF YOU HAVE ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED IN MAKING A COMMENT BUT DOESN'T NECESSARILY WANT TO BE KNOWN, THEY ARE MORE THAN WELCOME TO FILL THAT OUT AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S PROVIDED TO EVERYONE WHO NEEDS TO SEE IT.
AND AS ALWAYS, THE PUBLIC IS STILL WELCOME TO CONTACT THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT IN PERSON BY PHONE, BY EMAIL.
WE, THIS IS JUST ADDITIONAL AVENUE.
THEY'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME TALK EVEN IF THEY HAVE SUBMITTED SOMETHING.
WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT EVERYBODY HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE HEARD.
AND I CAN CO'S COMMENTS COMING NOW.
TALK ABOUT HOW THE CHAIRMAN'S AN IDIOT.
SO THAT MIGHT BE JUST A, JUST A TITCH OF EDITORIAL DISCUSSION ABOUT, ABOUT WHAT IS AND ISN'T PROVIDED
IF IT'S FULL OF SWEAR WORDS, I'M JUST GONNA POLITELY DECLINE.
WITH THAT, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I SO MOVE