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UM, WELL, IT'S SIX O'CLOCK, SO WE'LL
[1. Call to Order – Board of Supervisors – Chair, Cheryl Cullers ]
GET THIS TOWN COUNTY LIAISON MEETING STARTED, UH, THURSDAY, APRIL 16TH.AND WELCOME EVERYONE FROM THE TOWN.
SO GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE TONIGHT.
I THINK, UM, THIS AGENDA IS MOSTLY THINGS, UH, THAT YOU BROUGHT UP.
AND, UM, FIRST ORDER A BUSINESS, I GUESS, IS TO APPROVE THE AGENDA.
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS FROM ANYONE? OKAY.
UM, DO, IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.
ANY OPPOSED? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU.
[2. Tourism – Town ]
ONE IS TOURISM.AND, UM, I THINK MS. MEADOW, YOU MIGHT AS WELL COME ON UP IF WE, 'CAUSE YOU'RE A BIG PART OF OUR, PART OF THE TOURISM, AND I KNOW MR. WOOD AND I ARE COMMITTEE MEMBERS ON THE, UM, TOURISM COMMITTEE FOR, I KIND OF FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT STARTED COUNTY, BUT IT'S, IT'S GROWN TO TOWN AND COUNTY.
SO DO YOU HAVE SPECIFIC THINGS YOU WANTED TO DISCUSS ABOUT IT? SO, I FEEL LIKE IT WAS EVEN AS FAR BACK AS THE OCTOBER MEETING WAS WHEN WE FIRST STARTED TALKING, JUST BRINGING UP ABOUT TOURISM.
AND THEN IN JANUARY WE, UM, BROUGHT IT UP, YOU KNOW, JUST TALKED AGAIN ABOUT THAT, UM, HOW TOURISM HAD HAD BEEN ON MULTIPLE LIAISON AGENDAS AND JUST THAT THE TOWN WAS INTERESTED IN COLLABORATING WITH THE COUNTY ON JOINT MARKETING MATERIAL.
UM, AND, AND REALLY JUST JOINTLY WORKING TOGETHER, COLLABORATING.
AND SO WE THOUGHT WE'D BRING IT BACK UP JUST TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANY UPDATES.
I KNOW AT THE MEETING IN OCTOBER WE TALKED, WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT IT, WE LEFT IT THAT NIGHT AS WE WERE GONNA, UM, THE CHAIR AT THE TIME.
AND I, WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LIKE, WELL, COULD WE JUST DIRECT OUR STAFF TO GET TOGETHER AND TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND OR SUGGESTIONS? AND THEN, UH, THE OTHER SUPERVISOR AT THE TIME FELT THAT IT WOULD BE BETTER IF WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT WE WANTED BEFORE WE TELL OUR STAFF WHAT TO DISCUSS OR WHAT TO DO.
I PERSONALLY THINK, I STILL THINK IT WAS A BETTER IDEA TO SAY, LET OUR, OUR STAFF TALK ABOUT LIKE WAYS IN WHICH THEY COULD COLLABORATE.
I DON'T KNOW THAT I FEEL LIKE WE NEED TO BE THE ONES TO SAY, THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD DO IT, BUT RATHER JUST DISCUSSING HOW, WHAT, HOW ARE SOME WAYS THAT WE COULD COLLABORATE.
MR. PETTY, DO YOU WANNA ADD ANY MORE TO THAT THEN? I'M, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK.
I THINK, UM, OBVIOUSLY ALSO WITH SOME OF THE RECENT TRANSITIONS AND STUFF, WE WERE, YOU KNOW, WAS STAFF WAS WORKING TOGETHER AND I KNOW LIZZIE AND AND JANE COMMUNICATE A LOT AND WITH DIFFERENT REPRESENTATIVES, BUT THERE'S BEEN SOME TRANSITION AT THE LEADERSHIP LEVEL AND WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING THROUGH THE RIGHT STEPS.
IS IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO IN THIS FUTURE.
BECAUSE WE HAD MET WITH THE FORMER COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND KIND OF HAD SOME IDEAS, AND THEN WITH THAT CHANGE, WE, WE JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE GOING DOWN THAT RIGHT PATH IF IN THIS PARTNERSHIP, WELL, I KNOW, UM, I INVITED ALL OF THE BOARD MEMBERS TO COME TO ONE OF THE MEETINGS TO GET A, A BETTER IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON BECAUSE THE COMMITTEE, AS FAR AS WHAT, WHEN I SAID I WANTED TO, WHAT, A YEAR AND A HALF OR SO AGO, WE NEEDED TO START DOING SOMETHING WITH TOURISM.
'CAUSE IT WAS JUST LAYING THERE.
NOBODY WAS DOING ANYTHING ON OUR SIDE.
AND, UM, IT HAS GROWN A LOT, IT SEEMS LIKE NEW PEOPLE COME IN TO BE PARTNERS IN THIS AND, UM, AND I'M GONNA LET YOU KNOW, UM, JANE MEADOWS TALK TO IT MORE.
BUT I DO THINK, AND, AND MR. WOOD CAN ADD IN THERE TOO, THAT IT WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, GOOD FOR EVERYONE.
I MEAN, WE COME AND WE GIVE REPORTS AND SO FORTH OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND IT IS A GOOD COLLABORATION.
AND, UM, I, YOU KNOW, I I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION.
I KNOW THAT I ASKED, UM, THE MAIN PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING WITH IT, UM, JANE MEADOWS, LIZZIE LEWIS, UM, MICHAEL WHITLOW TO SIT DOWN TOGETHER AND COME UP WITH A PLAN, A
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SIX TO 12 MONTH, WHATEVER THEY WANTED AS FAR AS A TIMELINE, BUT A PLAN OF HOW THEY'RE EXECUTING THINGS AND TO KIND OF BUDGET IT AS THEY GO TYPE OF THING.AND I, I'M GONNA LET HER TALK TO THAT AS WHERE THEY ARE AND SO THAT THEY COULD PRESENT IT TO BOTH THE BOARD AND THE TOWN SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THEY'RE DOING, WHERE THEY'RE GOING, AND HOW THE DOLLARS ARE BEING SPENT.
SO, OH, OF COURSE I'M THE NEW ONE.
I WASN'T HERE IN OCTOBER, BUT, UH, MET WITH, UH, YOU KNOW, BACK WHEN I WAS CAMPAIGNING STUFF MET WITH CHAMBER OF COMMERCE.
OH, THE COUNTY HAS TRADITIONALLY NOT DONE A GREAT JOB AT TOURISM.
NOT, NOT, NOT TO ANY STAFF'S FAULT, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FUNDING THING.
AND OH, OUR WEBSITE'S NOT VERY FUNCTIONAL.
OH, THE TOWNS IS BETTER, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT PERFECT 'CAUSE IT'S NOT FUNDED.
UM, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU BRING UP DISCOVER WARREN COUNTY ON YOUR PHONE AND YOU, IF YOU'VE GOTTA DO THIS THREE OR FOUR TIMES TO FIND IT, IT'S NOT EFFECTIVE.
UM, SO I THINK THE COLLABORATION IN PUTTING COUNTY, PUTTING TOURISM DOLLARS WITH THE TOWN TO PROPERLY, AND IT, AND I, LIKE I SAID, I'VE BEEN HERE BEFORE, BUT I, I THINK AT SOME POINT, UH, YOU KNOW, DOES IT SAY FRONT ROYAL OR WARREN COUNTY OR, YOU KNOW, I, IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN YOU LEAVE FAIRFAX COUNTY, IT DOESN'T SAY 53 MILES TO WARREN COUNTY.
IT SAYS 53 MILES TO FRONT ROYAL.
SO I DON'T MIND FRONT ROYAL HAVING THE HEADLINE THAT DOESN'T, THERE'S NO EGO OR ANYTHING IN THERE THAT, OR I DON'T THINK WE SHOULD FEEL THAT WAY.
UH, WARREN COUNTY NEEDS A MISSION, UH, A MENTION IN THAT, OF COURSE.
AND THEN, UH, THE MISTAKE THAT, FROM WHAT I WAS UNDERSTANDING AT ONE TIME, I DUNNO IF IT'S STILL LIKE THAT OR NOT, THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE DIDN'T LIST THE TOWNS, AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS INCREDIBLY UNFAIR BECAUSE THE PEOPLE IN TOWN PAY COUNTY TAXES TOO, AND THOSE BUSINESSES PAY TAXES AS WELL.
UM, BUT I DON'T THINK IT WAS ANY BAD INTENT THERE, BUT IT WAS LIKE, WELL, THE TOWNS LISTING THE TOWN STUFF, YOU KNOW, SO THE COUNTY WAS JUST LISTING THE, THE COUNTY STUFF AND, AND IT, IT JUST, IT JUST SEEMS ALMOST COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
UM, SO AT SOME POINT, UH, I WOULD BE VERY COMFORTABLE WITH A LARGE PORTION, MAYBE EVEN LINE SHARE.
NOT ALL, BUT A A 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE GOT SOME, UM, A TRANSIENT LODGING TAXES HAS TO BE SPENT ON TOURISM.
UH, AND WE'VE GOT SOME OTHER THINGS WE CAN SPEND TOURISM DOLLARS FOR BESIDES, YOU KNOW, JUST A WEBSITE AND A, A TOURISM DIRECTOR.
BUT I, I THINK HAVING THE TOWN, HAVING ONE, THE COUNTY HAVING ONE IS REDUNDANT.
BUT, UH, I'D BE VERY COOPERATIVE WITH, UH, PUTTING A GOOD CHUNK OF THAT MONEY TO THE TOWN.
UM, WE NEED A LIAISON MEMBER, STAFF OR SOMETHING TO ACCOUNT THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR OUR OWN ACCOUNTABILITY THAT THOSE, 'CAUSE WE, WE'VE GOT THOSE AS TOURISM DOLLARS AND IN FAIRNESS, IF THAT'S THE RULES WE HAVE TO ACCOUNT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY BEING SPENT THAT WAY.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE SOME, YOU KNOW, PROOF THAT IT WAS, IT WAS DONE THAT WAY AND THEN, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BIT OF OVERSIGHT FOR, FOR WHATEVER IT'S WORTH.
BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK EITHER TEAM AND, AND IT'S, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT ANYBODY'S FAULT.
I DON'T, DON'T MIS UH, DON'T MISUNDERSTAND MY CRITICISM AS AN ATTACK, BUT IT, UH, THE GAME CHANGES ALL THE TIME TOO.
SO YOU COULD HAVE A, A PERFECT TOURISM PLAN AND HAVE IT ENACTED TODAY.
AND IF IT DOESN'T INVOLVE EVOLVE IN THREE YEARS, IF IT WOULD ALSO BE IMMEDIATELY OUTDATED.
UH, SO THAT'S ALWAYS GONNA BE A MOVING TARGET.
UH, WE'RE ALWAYS GONNA HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER ON THAT TO DO A GOOD JOB.
BUT, UH, I JUST DON'T SEE THE REDUNDANCY, YOU KNOW, BEING A GOOD IDEA OF WARREN COUNTY HAVING A TOURISM AND FRONT ROYAL HAVING A SEPARATE TOURISM, ALMOST LIKE WE'RE IN COMPETITION WITH EACH OTHER AND WE ARE DEFINITELY NOT.
WE DEFINITELY COULD BE MUCH STRONGER TOGETHER ON THAT.
I, I THINK WHEN, WHEN YOU HEAR WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU'LL FIND IT.
THERE'S NO REDUNDANCY, IT'S COLLABORATION.
UM, I'M GONNA ADDRESS THE WEBSITE FIRST.
UM, THE WEBSITE WAS FUNDED THROUGH ARPA FUNDING, SO IT WAS NOT FROM TAXPAYER DOLLARS OR FROM THE TOT TAX.
UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANYONE IN THE TOURISM DEPARTMENT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS, SO NO, I DON'T MESS WITH THE WEBSITE.
UM, THAT IS NOT MY WHEELHOUSE.
WE HAVE REPEATEDLY BROUGHT IT TO THE BOARD AND IT HAS NOT BEEN THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD TO FILL ANYTHING WITHIN TOURISM.
SO IT HAS BEEN, I JOKINGLY SAY MY PART-TIME JOB.
IT'S BEEN A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING FOR STAFF AND VOLUNTEERS.
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DOING THINGS THAT PEOPLE CONTRACTORS BUILT THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR.UM, WE HAVE BEEN VERY LUCKY THAT WE HAVE A TIGHT KNIT COMMUNITY THAT CARES.
UM, AND THOSE PEOPLE ARE INVESTED AND COMMITTED IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.
AND SO LUCKILY WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH INITIATIVES SUCH AS THE TWO 50 BECAUSE IF WE DIDN'T HAVE THE PEOPLE WE HAVE, THERE WOULD BE NOTHING HAPPENING FOR THE TWO 50, AT LEAST FROM THE COUNTY SIDE.
I KNOW LIZZIE HAS A FANTASTIC PROGRAM AND I'M SURE SHE WOULD'VE DONE SOMETHING, BUT IT WOULD BE NOTHING FROM THE COUNTY SIDE.
UM, IT IS SOMETHING THAT LIZZIE AND I WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER AND THE VOLUNTEERS, I FEEL LIKE EVERYBODY COLLABORATES PITCHES IDEAS OFF OF EACH OTHER.
I DO FEEL LIKE THE FIRST STEP IS A STRUCTURED STRATEGIC PLAN.
IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT WE KNOW WHERE WE'RE GOING SO THAT WE DON'T GO KIND OF A LITTLE CRAZY WITH THINGS.
UM, I THINK DOING THAT, WHEN YOU START ADDING THE BOARDS INTO THAT, IT CAN GET SOMEWHAT CONVOLUTED.
UM, I THINK IT'S A GOOD IDEA TO HAVE JOE AND DR. MARTIN, LIZZIE, MYSELF, UM, KIND OF DEVELOP THAT AND THEN PRESENT IT TO THE BOARDS FOR KIND OF, YES, THIS IS THE DIRECTION WE WANT.
UM, THERE'S BEEN, I GREW UP IN A TOURIST AREA.
IT IS SOMETHING THAT CERTAIN TIMES A YEAR YOU ARE NOT HAPPY AND IT'S NOT JUST FOR A WEEK OR TWO.
UM, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE DO NEED TO LET OUR CITIZENS WEIGH IN ON WHAT THEY WANT REGARDING TOURISM, BECAUSE IT'S MORE THAN JUST THE SHOP OWNERS ON MAIN STREET.
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO FEEL A CERTAIN WAY ABOUT SOMETHING, WHETHER THEY'RE LIKE, I'D RATHER MY TAXES BE HIGHER THAN HAVE BASICALLY A GRIDLOCK TRAFFIC EVERY DAY DURING THE SUMMER.
SO IT'S SOMETHING, I THINK THAT'S PART OF THAT STRATEGIC PLAN OF MM-HMM
REALLY WHAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE SUPPORT WANT.
AND WE KNOW WHAT WE'RE GONNA GET CERTAIN TIMES OF YEAR, BUT WE CAN MAKE IT A WHOLE LOT WORSE, UM, IF WE AREN'T CAREFUL.
AND SO THAT'S WHERE I THINK WE REALLY NEED TO START WITH THAT FIRST STEP.
UM, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON AND RIGHT NOW I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BE LIKE, HEY, DO YOU HAVE TIME TO SIT DOWN AND GO THROUGH THIS? NOT TO INTERRUPT YOU, BUT MM-HMM
DO YOU BASED, 'CAUSE YOU'VE BEEN IN IT, I HAVEN'T, YOU WOULD OBVIOUSLY HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THIS DEPARTMENT, EVEN WITH OUR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE TOWN.
COULD YOU JUSTIFY OR MAYBE NOT A TOURISM DIRECTOR, BUT AT LEAST A STAFF HIRE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN? WITHOUT A DOUBT.
TO, TO, TO CARRY THE, IN OTHER WORDS, IS IT ENOUGH WORK TO JUSTIFY OR HIRE YES.
TOURISM, AND THIS IS KIND OF ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE GONE BACK AND FORTH, UH, WITH THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS, UM, ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM SHOULD BE COMBINED.
'CAUSE TOURISM IS A PORTION OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
HOWEVER, THE WORKLOAD, THEY'RE TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
YOU NEED TO EAT DEDICATED ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND DEDICATED TOURISM.
UM, AND WITH THAT, IT CAN'T JUST BE ONE PERSON.
YES, LIZZIE HAS PART-TIMERS THAT ASSIST, BUT IT STILL NEEDS TO BE MORE THAN THAT.
UM, AND I KNOW WHEN I TALKED TO THE BOARD ABOUT PUTTING TOURISM, OTHER PARKS AND RECREATION, IT'S BECAUSE YOU HAVE STAFF AND YOU CAN GET MOMENTUM WITH STAFF WHEN YOU JUST HAVE ONE PERSON OR EVEN TWO, IT'S HARD TO GET MOMENTUM.
AND WITH TOURISM, ESPECIALLY IF YOU START DOING SOMETHING ON A LARGE SCALE, YOU NEED A LOT OF PEOPLE TO SUPPORT IT IN ORDER TO KEEP THAT MOMENTUM GOING.
I'M NOT SURE IF I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.
I I THINK, I THINK WE, UH, WELL, AND THE, SOMETHING SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT WOULD BE, OH, WE CAN, WE GOT TOURISM DOLLARS.
WE MAY BE ABLE TO PUT THAT TOWARDS THE STAFF.
OH, THE PRICE RANGE THAT YOU THINK THAT THAT STAFF WOULD HAVE TO BE IN.
YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, DO YOU WANT ME TO GIVE YOU A DOLLAR AMOUNT?
WELL, WE ACTUALLY DID, AND WE ACTUALLY INTERVIEWED, UM, AND ACTUALLY OFFERED THE JOB AND THEN, OH, I DIDN'T SAY I, I'D HEARD BITS.
AND THEN IT WAS, THE RUG WAS PULLED OUT THAT IS A COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HIRED, BUT THE BOARD OVERSTEPPED OUR LIMITS THERE AND TOLD, WELL, HE WAS TOLD HE COULD NOT DO THAT.
SO THAT IS WHY THE WEBSITE LOOKS THE WAY IT DOES, BECAUSE HAD WE HIRED THAT PERSON, HE'S NOW DOING THE JOB FOR NOTHING BECAUSE HE IS SO PASSIONATE ABOUT THIS, THIS TOURISM AND WHAT COULD THE POSSIBILITIES BE THAT HE'S ACTUALLY DOING
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IT, BUT WE CAN'T GIVE HIM ACCESS TO THE WEBSITE AND ALL BECAUSE HE'S NOT AN EMPLOYEE, NOT AN EMPLOYEE AT THIS TIME.SO, AND HE AND LIZZIE ARE WORKING GREAT TOGETHER.
IT, YOU KNOW, IT'S A LOT ON, LIKE YOU SAID, ON ONE INDIVIDUAL.
UM, SO IT WOULDN'T BE REDUNDANT.
IT WOULD BE ADDING TO AND ENHANCING.
UM, WELL I WROTE DOWN A STAFF HIRE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE GOT SOMEBODY IN MIND.
YOU KNOW, WHAT YOU HAVE WITH TOWN TOURISM WITH THE COUNTY, IT GIVES YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO FILL IN THE GAPS.
UM, AND YOU WANT TO BASICALLY SUPPLEMENT IT IN ORDER TO HELP BOOST IT RATHER THAN REPLICATE IT.
UM, SO HAVING STAFF ON EITHER SIDE ISN'T GOING TO BASICALLY WORK AGAINST EACH OTHER OR BE A WASTE OF MONEY.
YOU JUST HAVE TO MAKE SURE YOU HIRE THE RIGHT PERSON.
SO MAYBE A SUGGESTION FROM THIS POINT, UM, SINCE I'M NEWER THAN YOU ARE TECHNICALLY NEWER HERE, NOT NEWER IN YOUR MODEL,
SO I'M THINKING THAT LIZZIE, JANE, JOE, AND I NEED TO SIT DOWN AND PUT SOMETHING TOGETHER, BUT NOT TO GET TOO FAR AHEAD, THAT WE DON'T, DON'T BRING IT BACK TO YOU AND SAY, IS THIS THE DIRECTION YOU THINK WE NEED TO BE GOING? YOU KNOW, NOTHING'S GONNA BE ABSOLUTE, BUT WE NEED TO CREATE SOME IDEAS MM-HMM
UM, AND SOME TIMELINES AND SOME SORT OF RESPONSIBILITIES, SOME ACTION STEPS, AND BRING THAT BACK TO YOU ALL AND LET YOU SEE THAT.
UM, WE HAVE BEGINNINGS OF TWO STAFF MEMBERS POSSIBLY TALKING ABOUT THOSE.
HOW, HOW THAT WOULD WORK, HOW, HOW IT WON'T WORK.
UM, AND JUST HAVING AN HONEST DISCUSSION BACK THAT, UM, AND WOULD THAT BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR NOT BRINGING IT BACK TO THE LIAISON COMMITTEE, BUT BRINGING IT BACK TO BOTH BOARDS? YEAH.
AND THAT WOULD BE A WONDERFUL TOPIC JUST TO SIT DOWN AND COLLABORATE ABOUT THAT WITH SOME PLANS IN PLACE.
AND I DON'T WANNA BE SOMEBODY THAT'S AN, I TOLD YOU SO, OF COURSE I'M THE FOURTH CHILD, SO I HAVE TO DO THAT EVERY TIME.
BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WANTED TO HAPPEN IN OCTOBER,
THIS WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SUGGESTED THAT WE, THAT THAT COULD BE A PATH FORWARD.
SO I'M, I'M EXCITED TO HEAR OTHER PEOPLE JUMPING ON BOARD AND BEING LIKE, YEAH, THAT'S A GOOD THING.
AND ALSO, I, I WILL SAY ONE OF THE THINGS THAT YOU SAID THAT, THAT, UM, POPPED OUT IN MY HEAD WHEN YOU WERE SAYING ABOUT LIKE, COMING FROM A PLACE THAT HAD A LOT OF TOURISM, AND YES, THERE ARE PEOPLE IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT ABSOLUTELY, LIKE WE, YOU KNOW, OUR BUSINESSES ARE EXCITED ABOUT LEAF PEE SEASON.
SOME OF OUR CITIZENS NOT SO MUCH.
BUT I THINK TOO THAT I I, I MEAN WE ALL DEFEND IT.
LIKE, WE'LL, LIKE PEOPLE WILL DEFINITELY DEFEND IT ON SOCIAL MEDIA.
I DON'T ALWAYS, 'CAUSE IT'S A, IT'S A RABBIT HOLE.
I DON'T WANT TO GO DOWN HALF THE TIME.
UM, BUT REALLY JUST IMPRESSING UPON OUR CITIZENS.
LIKE, BUT THESE ARE THE DOLLARS THAT ARE COMING IN.
LIKE, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO, UM, WITH THAT MONEY.
'CAUSE I THINK SOMETIMES THAT'S THE PART THEY JUST ASSUME THEY'RE JUST DRIVING THROUGH TOWN TO GET ON THE DRIVE AND NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS.
AND I THINK IF THEY COULD RECOGNIZE THAT TOURISM, I MEAN LIKE WILLIAMSBURG, LET'S BE HONEST, THAT PROBABLY CARRIES A LOT OF, CARRIES A LOT OF DEPARTMENTS DOWN THERE GOING ON AND, AND ABSOLUTELY FEEDING A LOT OF FAMILIES, UM, AND OTHER TOURISTY PLACES.
I MEAN, WE'RE NOT THAT, BUT, BUT I JUST THINK SOMETIMES PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THERE IS A FOCUS ON IN, IN TOURISM.
AND, AND I KNOW THERE ARE SOME BUSINESSES, LIKE YOU SAID, LIKE, I BELIEVE ME, I'VE HEARD IT.
I'VE HAD PEOPLE SAY TO ME, WELL, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE TO SPEND TAX DOLLARS TO HELP SOMEBODY ELSE'S BUSINESS.
AND IT'S LIKE, BUT IT'S, IT'S A, THERE'S A BIGGER PICTURE THERE.
SO IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S THE PATH FORWARD IS OUR STAFF AND YOUR ALL STAFF WILL GET TOGETHER AND, AND THINK ABOUT A PATH FORWARD AND THEN MAYBE COME BACK TO THE BOARDS AND SHARE IT AND THAT, UH, I LIKE TIMELINES.
UM, CAN WE DO IT BEFORE JULY ONE? UM, BECAUSE MY TIME BEEN SHORT AND I WANNA BE PART OF THIS CONVERSATION.
UM, SO CAN WE BE NICE TO HAVE IT BEFORE JUNE ACTUALLY, BECAUSE THAT'S WHEN THINGS START RAMPING UP.
I JUST WANNA BE SURE THAT WE START, WE HAVE A TIMELINE.
AND WE HAVE A LIAISON MEETING IN JULY, BUT I'M LIKE YOU, I WOULD MUCH RATHER
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IT BE WAY FURTHER THAN THAT.SO, SO I WANNA MAKE A PLUG FOR TOURISM REAL QUICK.
SO SATURDAY WE HAVE THE FIRST, UM, TWO 50 EVENT IN THE COUNTY.
UM, LANDRY'S LIBERTY AT WARREN HERITAGE SOCIETY FROM TWO TO 9:00 PM SO, UM, DR. MARTIN HAS GOTTEN ROPED INTO THE EVENT AS WELL.
SO, UM, IT'LL BELL BE FUN TO SEE HIM DRESSED AS DR. WARREN, DR. WARREN, JOSEPH WARREN.
AND WHAT WILL I BE RIDING A SEGUE? NOT A HORSE.
WE HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE RIDING A HORSE.
RIGHT? MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF I MAY, UM, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT DR. MARTIN SAID THAT.
I'M, I'M SITTING HERE THINKING THAT, UM, LIKE THE MAYOR SAID, WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SINCE OCTOBER.
UM, WE'RE, WE'RE ENTERING ANOTHER SEASON HERE SHORTLY.
UM, THAT MARKETING COULD BRING MORE PEOPLE IN TO ENJOY OUR AREA.
AND TO PIGGYBACK ON WHAT THE MAYOR SAID, UM, IT SEEMS ON THE SPECTRUM HERE THAT WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT ANY CHANGE.
DON'T BRING THE TOURS, DON'T BRING NEW BUSINESS AND THE OTHERS OVER HERE SAYING, WHY AREN'T WE DOING MORE? AND THE TRUTH LIES, WE NEED TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE WHERE INSTEAD OF LOOKING AT TAX INCREASES, WE'RE BUILDING OUR BUSINESS BASE AND EXPANDING OUR ECONOMIC BASE TO KEEP OUR TAXES LOWER.
I I, I KNOW AS ELECTED OFFICIAL, AND I BELIEVE I I SPEAK FOR MOST OF THESE HERE, UH, WE DON'T WANT TO RAISE TAXES.
THAT'S NOBODY'S DESIRE, BUT CERTAIN THINGS, I MEAN, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO FUND OUR INFRASTRUCTURES AND ALL OF OUR NEEDS.
SO WHENEVER WE CAN BRING MORE TOURISTS HERE, UM, I'M SURE THE FOLKS IN WINCHESTER DURING APPLE BLOSSOM, THEY, THEY LEARN TO EITHER GET OUT OF TOWN OR GO TO THE BACK WAY.
JUST LIKE OUR FOLKS WITH SOUTH STREET AND REISER DURING THE LEAF BEEPER, UH, SEASON.
UH, WE'RE GRATEFUL FOR EVERYBODY TO COME AND VISIT OUR COMMUNITY AND SO MANY RETURN BECAUSE WHAT WE HAVE HERE, UM, THE BEAUTY, THE FRIENDLINESS, AND, UM, SOME UNIQUE THINGS THAT OTHER AREAS DON'T.
SO YEAH, I'M ALL FOR SOONER OR BETTER.
AND, UM, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN'T GET THIS THING MOVING, GET THOSE DOLLARS IN MARKETING AND WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE WITH ANOTHER STAFF MEMBER.
BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE VERY ANXIOUS TO GET GOING.
ALSO, WANT TO PLUG, PUT A PLUG IN FOR JANE AND THE REST OF THE, UM, TOURISM COMMITTEE I'VE BEEN, UM, HONORED TO SERVE ON WITH LIZZIE.
EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, EVERYTHING YOU'RE GONNA SEE GOING ON SATURDAY IS A RESULT OF, OF JANE'S LEADERSHIP AND THE VOLUNTEERS.
AND I HAVEN'T BEEN THE ONE, AND I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE SITTING DOWN THERE PLAYING PAUL REVERE, BUT
AND THEN THE PLANNING AND EXECUTION OF THE SUMMER EVENT AND THE FALL EVENT.
SO I, I THINK IT'S AN EXCELLENT EXAMPLE OF WHAT WE DO WHEN WE BRING OUR COMMUNITY TOGETHER.
UH, BECAUSE WE ARE ALL COUNTY CITIZENS.
SOME OF US HAPPEN TO LIVE IN THE TOWN.
AND WHAT BENEFITS ONE BENEFITS THE OTHER? IT, IT HAS BEEN, UM, A GREAT, A GREAT THING TO SEE BECAUSE IT STARTED OUT WITH A COUPLE PEOPLE AND THEN WE WOULD ADD ON AND THEN WE WOULD THINK, OH, THIS PERSON WOULD BE GREAT.
AND IT IS, IT HAS JUST REALLY GROWN.
EVERYONE IS WORKING SO WELL TOGETHER.
UM, SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE TRIED AND WE TRIED AND WE TRIED AND WE JUST COULDN'T GET THIS THING WORKING AND MOVING.
AND GLEN, I'M SURE YOU REMEMBER, UM, YOU'RE A BABY, YOU DON'T REMEMBER.
UH, AND I'M OLD
RIGHT? YOU COULDN'T GET IN A RESTAURANT, YOU COULDN'T GET A MOTEL ROOM.
'CAUSE IT SEEMED LIKE THE CANOE RACES AND PROM AND A FEW THINGS ALL WERE ONE WEEKEND.
BUT THE GREAT THING ABOUT IT WAS THEY CAME HERE, THEY SPENT THEIR MONEY, AND THEN THEY WENT HOME.
AND I, I DON'T KNOW WHEN, YES, THE LEAF PAPERS COME IN AND I THINK WE NEED A MARKETING STRATEGY BECAUSE WORKING THE BOOT DRIVE ON THE SOUTH END AT THE ENTRANCE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CARS THAT I WENT UP TO THAT WANTED TO GIVE A DONATION.
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CAN WE EAT WHEN WE GET UP THERE? AND I'M LIKE, NOWHERE.BECAUSE YOU'RE, YOU JUST SAT HERE FOR 10 MINUTES TO CROSS THE HIGHWAY.
IT'S BUMPER TO BUMPER, AND THE FEW PLACES UP THERE ARE GONNA BE PACKED.
I TOLD 'EM TO GO BACK DOWN AND EAT AT SOME OF THE PLACES LOCALLY.
AND THEN I GOT THE DEER IN THE HEADLIGHT LOOK OF, YOU WANT ME TO GET OUTTA LINE AND GET BACK IN A LINE? SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ONE THING THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THIS TOURISM GROUP ON THE MARKETING END OF EAT FIRST COME AND ENJOY, COME A LITTLE EARLIER, ENJOY.
AND THEN GET, AND GO ON THE DRIVE OR PICK UP A BOX LUNCH SOMEWHERE AND GO, YOU GET INTO A FOOD TRUCK ALLEY THAT YEAH.
I, I SAID IF I, I LEARNED TO TAKE SUCKERS MM-HMM
AND I GOT ONE OF THOSE LITTLE LOWS, APRONS, AND I HAD SUCKERS IN ONE POCKET AND DOG BONES IN THE OTHER
AND AS SOON AS THE CAR IN FRONT SAW A KID GET A SUCKER, IF THEY HAD A KID IN THE CAR, THE WINDOWS STARTED ROLLING DOWN.
AND IF THERE WAS A DOG AND THEY GOT A DOG BONE, YOU KNOW, OH, THERE YOU GO.
AND I FIGURED IF I HAD HOT DOGS, I PROBABLY COULD HAVE MADE A BUCK ON THOSE TWO
BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE DON'T THINK ABOUT BECAUSE THEY DO.
THEY COME IN AND I'M LIKE, I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MONEY THEY'RE ACTUALLY SPENDING BECAUSE THEY'RE IN A LINE.
SOME DOS START ON THE OTHER END AND GET OFF HERE.
SO I, I DO THINK THEY PROBABLY PICK UP, BUT I THINK IF, IF PEOPLE KNEW THAT THAT WAS, UM, A BETTER OPTION TO COME A LITTLE EARLY AND PICK UP SOMETHING OR EAT IN ONE OF THE RESTAURANTS.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I'M HOPING WITH MARKETING AND SO FORTH, THAT COLLABORATING WITH THE DIFFERENT BUSINESSES, IDEAS LIKE THAT WILL POP UP.
THAT WILL HELP SUPPORT EVERYBODY TOO.
WHERE RIGHT NOW YOU JUST DON'T THINK ABOUT IT.
YOU, YOU SEE 'EM COME THROUGH YOU.
WE ARE NAVIGATING AROUND THEM, BUT YOU DON'T THINK OF HOW WE CAN EACH BENEFIT, BENEFIT THEM FOR A BETTER EXPERIENCE AND GAIN A LITTLE INCOME REVENUE OFF OF IT AS WELL.
THEY WERE IN THE PRIME SPOT FOR THAT, WEREN'T THEY? NO.
WHY? THEY WERE BUILT HERE IN THE FORTIES.
THAT'S WHY SIMON, THAT'S WHY SIMON PETRIS WAS THERE BECAUSE THAT'S, THEY HAD TO GO BY THERE.
AND THAT'S WHERE YOU GET THE LITTLE CHEAPIES SOUVENIRS SOUTH STREET.
HAD QUITE A FEW LITTLE PLACES, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM
UM, THE, THE DONUT DINER AND DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WERE THERE.
AND ON THE RIGHT WAS THE CHICKEN IN THE ROUGH.
WE'RE GOING ON BACK A FEW YEARS.
I'M NOT AS OLD AS SOME OF THESE PEOPLE, BUT I, I JUST, I'M TEASING.
I JUST WANTED TO MENTION ONE MORE THING ABOUT TOURISM AS THAT THERE WAS THE TOURISM SUMMIT I WASN'T ABLE TO ATTEND 'CAUSE I WAS WORKING.
BUT, UM, BUT I'VE HEARD SUCH POSITIVE THINGS MM-HMM
DESPITE WHAT OTHERS MIGHT SAY.
IT'S BEEN A, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT WAS A REALLY GREAT DAY.
AND I THINK THAT GETS CONVERSATIONS HAPPENING.
SO THAT WAS A, THAT WAS A GOOD THING TOO.
BUT I DO WANNA GIVE KUDOS TO LIZZIE AND JANE AND MICHAEL WHITLOW AND, AND EVERYBODY.
THEY'RE ALL DOING AN AWESOME JOB.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE SHE, WHEN SHE SLEEPS, HONESTLY.
'CAUSE SHE'S, BETWEEN HER REGULAR JOB, THIS A PART-TIME JOB.
I WROTE DOWN, JANE SAYS IT'S LIKE A PART-TIME JOB.
IT FEELS LIKE IT IN MY FAMILY IS LIKE, UM, HOW DID WE GET ROPED INTO YOUR PART-TIME JOB?
AND EVERYBODY PLEASE COME OUT FOR IT THIS WEEKEND.
IT'S, UM, THE FIRST OF QUITE A FEW THINGS THAT IS ON THE, UM, THE PLAN FOR THE SUMMER.
SO THE PATH FORWARD IS YOU GUYS ARE GONNA GET TOGETHER SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
SO THAT BY JULY ONE YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE, I MEAN JUNE.
AND THEN WE'RE GONNA PLAN A JOINT MEETING BETWEEN THE TWO BOARDS.
WE GOT A LOW SCHEDULE IN JUNE.
SO I THINK WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE MEETING SCHEDULED IN JUNE FOR THE BOARD.
WE MIGHT, SO JUNE OR JULY, WE HAVE THREE MEETINGS EVERY MONTH BEING IN JUNE.
SOUNDS LIKE WE JUST ADDED ONE ON THE NEXT ONE.
[3. Economic Development – Town ]
DEVELOPMENT.AND THAT'S US TOO, ISN'T IT? EVERYTHING.
CAN I, CAN I JUST SAY DITTO? IT WAS REALLY THE SAME.
I IT'S THE SAME STORY THAT, UM, IT WAS, IT WAS AT LEAST OCTOBER.
IT MIGHT HAVE EVEN, NO, IT WASN'T JULY.
'CAUSE WE CANCELED THE JULY MEETING OR YOU
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GUYS CANCELED THE JULY MEETING.BUT WAS JUST REALLY, AGAIN, ABOUT A RENEW, LIKE A, A COMBINED EFFORT TOWARDS ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
AND I, AND I KNOW WE, WE ALL KIND OF TALKED ABOUT A LITTLE BIT, YOU KNOW, EACH OTHER, UM, AND IN ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS, BUT JUST, I'M TRYING TO THINK WHEN IT WAS THAT ONE OF THE SUPERVISORS KIND OF SAID, FIND OUT IF YOU ALL WANT TO DO THAT.
LIKE, AND PROBABLY ME BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN HOUNDING THIS YEAH.
THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'VE, WE'VE, WE GOTTA QUIT LOOKING IN THE REAR VIEW MIRROR AND START LOOKING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE OF THINGS.
AND, AND WE JUST, WE HAVE TO DO THAT TOGETHER.
AND THAT, AND REALLY THAT WAS JUST THAT, UM, THAT, THAT ON OUR SIDE, THE TOWN COUNCIL WAS, UM, THEY WERE AMENABLE AND, AND WANT THAT CONVERSATION TO, TO, TO GO FORWARD THAT WE, WE WANNA TALK ABOUT WORKING TOGETHER.
I I COULD, WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT THREE OF YOU HERE, BUT I MEAN, I, I DON'T WANNA REPEAT WHAT YOU SAID, BUT WE, WE JUST CAN'T KEEP FOCUSING ON WHAT WENT WRONG.
SO IT JUST DOESN'T DO US ANY GOOD.
LIKE WE JUST GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT WENT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S THE THING THAT I THINK THAT PEOPLE IN THIS COMMUNITY THAT HAVE LIVED HERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME KNOW THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF WONDERFUL THINGS THAT WERE ACCOMPLISHED, UM, BY THE WARREN COUNTY EDA.
I MEAN, THERE, THERE JUST WERE, THERE WERE GREAT THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
THERE'S, WE CAN POINT TO ALL THE DIFFERENT, UM, YOU KNOW, FACTORIES AND PLANTS, THAT KIND OF STUFF THAT DID HAPPEN.
AND, UM, BUT UNFORTUNATELY, JUST LIKE ANYTHING IN LIFE, YOU PEOPLE GET STUCK ON THE STUCK ON WHAT WENT WRONG.
SO I JUST LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THAT AND LETTING THE PUBLIC KNOW THAT THE TOWN IS WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU GUYS AND COLLABORATE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
BUT, BUT I WOULD YOU AGREE MR. WOOD, THAT OR COUNCILMAN WOOD, THAT, THAT, UM, COUNCILS, YOU KNOW, WE, WE RECOGNIZE THAT US WORKING TOGETHER IS GONNA BETTER EVERYBODY.
JANE SAID IT, BUT WHEN SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT TOURISM FRONT ROW AND COUNTY, PEOPLE JUST FORGET THAT ALL THE TIME.
EVERY TOWN CITIZEN IS ALSO A COUNTY CITIZEN.
AND, UM, WHEN, WHEN WE PROSPER, YOU ALL PROSPER.
I, I SAY REALLY IT'S USED PROSPER TOO.
'CAUSE WE'RE ALL THE COUNTY TOO.
SO SAME THING WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I THINK ANYTHING THAT BENEFITS, UH, THE TOWN BENEFITS THE COUNTY AND VICE VERSA.
BECAUSE WHAT'S GOING ON, WELL IN THE COUNTY, THE TOWN CITIZENS ARE GONNA BENEFIT FROM THAT.
WELL, WE PUT SOMETHING IN THE BUDGET.
WE HAVE, UH, CLOSE TO $300,000 IN THE BUDGET FOR, UM, A PERSON AND A SUPPORT PERSON.
AND, UM, AS CHERYL SAID, WE HAVE TO STOP LOOKING BEHIND.
WE'RE LOOKING OUT THE WINDSHIELD NOW AND MOVING FORWARD AND GETTING SOME THINGS DONE.
UH, WE ALSO WANT THIS PERSON TO TALK TO YOUR EXISTING BUSINESSES TO FIND OUT WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN DO TO HELP YOU.
ARE YOU THINKING ABOUT EXPANSION? WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT WE CAN, WELL YOU'RE HERE, WE VALUE YOU BEING HERE.
SO I THINK THAT'S GONNA BEANO ANOTHER IMPORTANT PERSON, UM, TO HELP US MOVE THE ECONOMY AND THE TAX BASE ALONG AFTER SOME CONVERSATIONS WITH ROB MCDOUGALL, I GUESS EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH WHO HE IS.
I'LL, I'LL VOLUNTEER, YOU KNOW, WORKING THROUGH DIGGING, FIXING OUR MM-HMM
HISTORICAL PROBLEMS AND CLEANING UP A MESS.
AND I THINK HE'S DONE A GOOD JOB, BUT SOME CONVERSATION WITH HIM.
'CAUSE I TOLD HIM, OH, IT WAS BEFORE THE ELECTION, BUT I WAS RUNNING ON THE POST, SO I FELT PRETTY GOOD.
I WAS GONNA MAKE IT HERE, BUT OH, I SAID I NEED EDA 1 0 1.
AND HE SAID, WE WON'T GET IT IN ONE SESSION.
AND I SAID, THAT'S FINE, BUT THAT'S, AND IT, AND THAT FIRST GO ROUND WAS ABOUT FOUR HOURS.
AND BASICALLY THE STATE AND ALL THE OTHER COUNTIES, THERE'S BASICALLY A, A ROUND TABLE WITH EDA DIRECTORS AND THEY'RE SOLICITING FOR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT THIS, WE WANT THIS KIND OF MANUFACTURING.
SO THEY'RE PULLING, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S COMPETING AND, UH, WE FLAT OUT DON'T HAVE ANYBODY SITTING AT THE TABLE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE A SHOT EXACTLY.
SO, UM, AFTER UNDERSTANDING THAT, IT, IT REALLY WAS LIKE, WOW.
AND THEN, UH, AND THEN WE'VE GOT THESE BUDGET SHORTFALLS AND WE'RE
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LOOKING AT THESE TAXES AND STUFF.AND I THINK IF WE'D, OH, I CAN'T SAY THAT WE WOULD NEVER HAVE A TAX INCREASE WITH A, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'D BE NEAR AS MUCH.
UH, IT WOULD DEFINITELY OFFSET SOME COST.
YOU DEFINITELY CREATE SOME, UH, COUNTY REVENUE.
UM, I WAS HOPING, UM, IF WE CAN GET OUR STUFF TOGETHER AND GET THE RIGHT GUY, SO TO SPEAK, UH, WHERE I WAS KIND OF THINKING, OH, WE GET A STAFF AND Y'ALL HAVE GOT A PRETTY GOOD TOURISM PROGRAM AND WE'D THROW SOME STUFF AT YOU AND THEN MAYBE YOU COULD RECIPROCATE BACK IF WE, WE GET THE RIGHT GUY.
AND I WOULD, I WOULD WANT YOU TO FEEL THE SAME WAY THAT WE DO ABOUT TOURISM.
I WANT YOU TO HAVE SOME OVERSIGHT.
I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU NEED A STAFF, BUT MAYBE, UH, THAT'D BE SOMETHING FOR Y'ALL TO FIGURE OUT AT LEAST SOME KIND OF LIAISON MEMBER AROUND A STAFF.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T WANNA THROW ANY MORE JOE'S PLA AND HE'S PROBABLY ALREADY GOT, BUT OH, HE YOUNG.
YOU WOULD DEFINITELY WANT HIM INVOLVED.
SO, BUT I WOULD WANT YOU TO FEEL IS GOOD ABOUT US HELPING WITH THE EDA AS I WOULD FEEL GOOD ABOUT HELPING YOU WITH TOURISM.
YOU KNOW, IT IS A JOINT THING.
BUT I, I MUTUAL, I AIN'T GONNA SAY WE'RE SWAPPING, BUT YEAH.
I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, BUT I, I, I THINK Y'ALL ARE DOING PROBABLY GOT THE BETTER SHARE OF THE TOURISM 'CAUSE IT'S MORE, AND, AND THAT PART OF IT AFFECTS THE TOWN MORE TOO.
AND THEN THE EDA, IT LOOKS LIKE MOST OF THE GROWTH IS GONNA BE IN THE CORRIDOR, WHICH IS OUTSIDE THE TOWN.
NOT THAT THERE'S NOT PLENTY OF GROWTH STILL LEFT IN TOWN.
SO I, I THINK IF WE LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, UM, WE CAN, WE CAN MUTUALLY BENEFIT BOTH OF THESE PROGRAMS, UM, IS MY GOAL.
I'M, I'M HOPING WE CAN, WE CAN GET THERE.
NO, I THINK BOTH OF THEM ARE THINGS THAT, THAT ARE MUTUALLY BENEFICIAL TO BOTH THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN.
AND THEY JUST MAKE SENSE THAT WE COLLABORATE AND WORK TOGETHER ON 'EM.
I, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE YOU SAID, UH, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE HAD THIS SLOGAN FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS WHERE I, I SAY WE'RE BETTER TOGETHER.
AND I THINK THAT FALLS THROUGH FOR THIS AND SO MANY THINGS IN LIFE.
UM, YOU, YOU, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN THE PAST, LIKE YOU SAID, ALL THOSE DEVELOPMENTS OUT THERE BECAUSE AT ONE TIME, AVTEC AND THE APPLE PLANT, WHICH PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT THE VIRGINIA APPLE PLANT BEING OLD VIRGINIA.
THAT'S WHY, HOW, HOW MANY OF OUR MOTHERS WORKED IN THE APPLES IN THE FALL? YOU KNOW, MY MOM AND DAD BOTH WORKED THERE AND I WORKED THERE TWO SUMMERS.
IT WAS, UM, I WORKED AP APT AND WE, WE FORGET THAT THAT WAS HERE.
EVERYBODY THINKS IT WAS JUST THE AVTEC, BUT THE OLD VIRGINIA WAS, UH, A GOOD LIVING.
AND IT WAS, UM, MADE SOME DARN GOOD JELLIES OUT, OUT THERE TOO.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT WAS BASICALLY IT.
AND THEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S OUT IN THE CORRIDOR AND THE THINGS THAT ALL CAME THROUGH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, SO RIGHT.
AND THE COLLABORATION THAT THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY BOTH DID THROUGHOUT ALL THOSE YEARS TOGETHER.
SO I, YOU KNOW, I THINK WE'RE AT A POINT THAT WE CAN DO THIS AGAIN.
AND, AND THIS COULD BE ANOTHER AGENDA ITEM FOR THE JOINT MEETING.
WELL, LET'S PUT IT ON A TIMELINE TOO.
WE'RE BIG ON, YOU KNOW, WHEN, WHEN ARE WE GONNA KNOW WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THAT EDA BUDGET, WHETHER WE'VE GOT THE RIGHT GUY AND ALL THAT STUFF.
HOW, HOW'S THAT GOING TIMELINE? I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT, WELL, UH, THE BUDGET WILL NOT BE APPROVED UNTIL END OF THIS MONTH.
UH, AND FUNDS WILL BE AVAILABLE JULY ONE, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GET THE PERSON READY TO ROLL.
SO AT LEAST AT OUR, YOUR JUNE MEETING.
UM, WE SHOULD KNOW MORE WHAT YOU THINK IN JUNE.
WE'D, UH, WE'D HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT AN ANNOUNCEMENT OR YOU THINK IT'D BE PREMATURE? I DON'T KNOW.
I, I THINK, UM, LIKE WITH ANY, PROBABLY EXECUTIVE COMING ON LIKE THIS, UM, CERTAINLY KIND OF BEING IN THE BUSINESS A LITTLE BIT, UM, IF YOU HAVE THE PERSON I WOULD HOPE THAT PERSON COULD SHARE WITH BOTH BOARDS, HERE'S MY 90 DAY PLAN AND COMING IN AND HELPING THE COMMUNITIES.
HERE'S MY 120 DAY PLAN, WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
SO, AND THEN WE CAN HELP THAT PERSON DEVELOP THOSE AS WELL.
BECAUSE CERTAINLY THERE MAY BE THINGS THAT THE BOARDS WILL WANT THIS PERSON TO CONCENTRATE ON AS WELL.
I WANTED TO OFFER TOO THAT, UM, OUR, THE FRIDA, ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID, UM, WAS TO REACH OUT TO BUSINESSES AND GET LIKE, INPUT FROM THEM.
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I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT DATA IS PROBABLY SOMEWHERE, I DON'T KNOW IF I, I'M JUST THINKING THAT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU WERE MENTIONING THAT AND THAT WAS ACTUALLY ONE OF THE THINGS THEY DID EARLY ON.UM, BUT YEAH, SO WHEN FRIDA STARTED FOR US, WE HAD A STAFF MEMBER THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO CHAIR IT AND THEN, UM, THAT STAFF MEMBER WAS RELIEVED OF THEIR DUTIES.
AND, AND THEN IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, WHAT DO WE DO? AND I, I WOULD AGREE FOR YOU IF SOME, THERE'S NOBODY ANSWERING THE PHONES.
LIKE IF SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME HERE.
UM, LIKE WHO WOULD THEY CALL? WOULD THEY CALL YOU? WOULD THEY CALL YOU? WOULD THEY CALL? WELL, AND WE ROB MCDO, HIS NAME ON THE MEAN, YOU CALL ROB MCDOUGALL.
BUT, BUT WHAT I MEAN THOUGH IS PEOPLE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT ROB MCDOUGALL AND MR. CALLERS AND THESE PEOPLE, THEY'RE VOLUNTEERS.
LIKE THEY HAVE, MOST OF THEM HAVE FULL-TIME JOBS.
AND WELL, AND IN FACT IS JUST BEST IN THIS ROLE.
YOU FOR ME, LIKE UNTIL MAY 30TH, I HAVE A FULL-TIME JOB
AND YOU KNOW, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THOUGH, IT IS HARD TO THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S HARD FOR THEM TO BE OUT RECRUITING THINGS WHEN THAT'S NOT, THEY DON'T HAVE ALL THE TIME.
SO I THINK THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY.
I WROTE DOWN $300 FOR A PERSON AND SUPPORT PERSON, AND THEN YEAH.
WELL WE, YOU KNOW, I'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT WHY DOES THIS GO TO FREDERICK COUNTY AND WHY DOES THIS GO TO FA HERE AND WHY IS THIS GOING HERE? AND IT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE NO ONE ADVOCATING AND SAYING, THIS IS WHAT WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL HAVE TO OFFER.
IF YOU LOOK ON THE STATE'S WEBSITE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF, WE, WE DON'T EXIST THERE.
AND I MEAN, STEVEN HAVNER WAS HERE.
LIKE, I, I'M JUST SAYING LIKE A LOT OF THE STUFF THAT DID HAPPEN, THAT WAS A FULL-TIME JOB.
THAT'S WHY I SAY LIKE, THERE WERE POSITIVE THINGS THAT HAPPENED.
SO THAT'S, AND THAT'S I THINK THE, THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN.
WILL IT HAPPEN AGAIN? WHAT HAPPENED? AND AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA GO BACK AND BEAT A DEAD HORSE MM-HMM
WE NEED TO BE LOOKING FORWARD.
THIS COULD BE DONE IN A WAY, THERE'S FULL ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY MM-HMM
SO ONE INDIVIDUAL CANNOT MANIPULATE OR ROOK OTHER PEOPLE INTO IT.
AND SADLY ENOUGH, I READ TODAY, UH, MY FORMER HOME FOR A WHILE IN MARTINSVILLE IS GOING THROUGH SIMILAR THINGS WITH, UH, THE CITY GOVERNMENT.
THE CITY FORMER CITY MANAGER, THE MAYOR HAS RESIGNED.
UH, MONEY HAS BEEN SPENT WITHOUT BEING VOTED ON.
SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK FRONT ROW.
AND WHAT HAPPENED, IT'S A TRAGEDY AT THE TIME.
IT'S THE LARGEST, I DON'T KNOW, EMBEZZLEMENT OR WHATEVER.
IT'S HAPPENED IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
BUT WE CAN PUT SAFEGUARDS IN PLACE.
AND I, I, I KNOW I'M PREACHING TO THE CHOIR.
I'M REALLY SAYING TO THE PUBLIC, WE CAN HAVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, WE CAN HAVE CONTROL OF IT, WE CAN EXPAND OUR BUSINESS BASE AND HELP WITH OUR TAXES, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE A PROFESSIONAL TO LEAD THIS.
I WAS ON CDAC BACK BEFORE THERE WAS, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WHEN STEVEN HAVNER WAS HIRED.
AND WE TOLD STEVEN THE DEVELOPMENT HERE REALLY NEED TO BE ON THE CORRIDOR.
THE TOWN HAD WATER AND SEWER AT THE TIME OUT TO DUPONT.
UM, THE FIRST PURCHASE WAS THE KELLY INDUSTRIAL PARK.
UM, PEN TAB INDUSTRIES CAME IN AND SOME OTHER PEOPLE, AND THEN, UH, WATER AND SEWER WAS MOVED UP.
AND THEN YOU GOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT ORDER TO A FAMILY DOLLAR FERGUSON.
UM, ALL THESE HAVE COME SINCE, BECAUSE WE WERE PREPARED.
WE HAD A PRODUCT, WE HAD A PROFESSIONAL TO BRING THE PARTIES TO THE TABLE AND DO THIS.
AND, AND WE STILL HAVE A LOT OF RESOURCES HERE.
I MEAN, WE HAVE A GREAT QUALITY OF LIFE.
WE HAVE SOME OF THE LOWEST TAXES STILL IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.
SO, YOU KNOW, BRINGING BUSINESSES HERE, OUR TRANSPORTATION INFRASTRUCTURE 81 66 WE'RE WITHIN, I THINK STEVEN SAID ONE TIME, WE'RE WITHIN A DAY'S DRIVE OF THREE QUARTERS OF THE POPULATION OF THE UNITED STATES.
SO WE HAVE A LOT GOING FOR US.
WE JUST NEED TO GET THE RIGHT PERSON IN FOCUSED AND COLLABORATIVELY FUNDING IT.
AND I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE REST OF COUNCIL, BUT I BELIEVE COUNCIL IS VERY INTERESTED IN THIS COLLABORATION AND, YOU KNOW, FINDING THE FUNDING FOR, TO DO A PROFESSIONAL JOB BECAUSE WHEN, WHEN YOU DON'T, YOU, YOU
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GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR.AND, UM, COMBINING OUR EFFORTS, WE COULD REALLY HIT A HOME RUN WITH THIS LY.
I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO WORKING TOGETHER ON BOTH THOSE THINGS.
[4. Fiscal Impact Model Update– Town ]
THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL UPDATE THAT YOU'RE DOING.IT'S ABOUT, UM, THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL WAS, SO WHAT THE TOWN HAS TALKED ABOUT SEVERAL TIMES AT THESE LIAISON MEETINGS WHEN WE'VE HAD DEVELOPMENT COME INTO THE TOWN, THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL THAT IS CURRENTLY AVAILABLE IN REGARDS TO LIKE SCHOOL, RIGHT.
SCHOOLS, FIRE, RESCUE, THOSE THINGS.
LIKE THERE'S A NUMBER, UM, THE FOR THE PROFFERS AND STUFF, AND THEY'RE OUT OF DATE.
I HAD HEARD, UM, LAUREN WAS WORKING ON SOMETHING, SO I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT.
YEAH, NO, I THINK IT'S, I THINK IT'S START, IT'S THE COUNT.
I'M NOT, I DON'T MEAN IT THAT WAY, I'M JUST SAYING IT WAS SOMETHING THE COUNTY, UH, WAS GONNA DO.
AND ACTUALLY, I'M TRYING TO THINK OF WHO WAS HERE.
SU SUPERVISOR CARTER HAS, HAS MENTIONED IT TO ME SEVERAL TIMES.
OH, WE, I WANT, AND UM, WHAT, HOW OLD, I MEAN, SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU.
I JUST KNOW WHEN T AND LOGAN WAS HERE, WE HAD A DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS COMING IN AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY WERE GONNA, THAT THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WERE GONNA, AND THE PROFFER, UM, ONE OF OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS WAS LIKE, THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT.
AND IT WAS RELATED TO SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, I'M SURE JOE CAN SPEAK TO THIS FROM BEING ON THE COUNTY SIDE AS WELL AND BEING ON THE TOWN NOW.
WE, WE HAD A MODEL THAT WE HAD RUN FOR MANY YEARS AND IT WOULD GET UPDATED.
AND I THINK THE LAST TIME IT WAS UPDATED WAS DURING CROOKED RUN WEST REZONING WHERE THEY WERE LOOKING TO REZONE FROM COMMERCIAL, RESIDENTIAL.
UM, BELIEVE IT WAS, UH, STO ENGINEERING HELP DO THAT.
BUT SINCE THEN BETWEEN IT CHANGES AND, AND MANY THINGS.
I DON'T THINK THE SOFTWARE EXISTS AND IT'S JUST SO OUTDATED.
SO WHEN THE TOWN, WHICH, YOU KNOW, HAS OUR URBAN DEVELOPMENT AREAS AND MORE OF THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT COMES IN FOR REZONINGS, IT HAS BEEN THE PRACTICE THAT THE COUNTY WOULD RUN THAT FISCAL IMPACT MODEL BECAUSE ANY POTENTIAL PROFFERS WOULD BE AT THE BENEFIT OF COUNTY SERVICES.
UM, AND SO WE WERE JUST LOOKING TO SEE IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, ANY TYPE OF APPETITE TO UPDATE THAT MODEL, BRINGING A NEW MODEL.
AND I KNOW I THINK AT ONE, THE PREVIOUS MEETING THERE WAS A SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER THAT MENTIONED THAT THEY HAD SOME OF THE UPDATED DATA THAT THEY COULD INPUT INTO IT.
I'M SURE THAT EVEN NEEDS TO BE UPDATED AT THIS POINT.
BUT IT IS, I THINK AT THE POINT OF JUST, IT WOULD NEED TO BE A CONSULTANT.
THAT WOULD BE, I, I REMEMBER, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS LAST YEAR OR THE YEAR BEFORE AT ONE OF THE LIAISON MEETINGS, UH, DR.
ABOUT IF THE TOWN WAS WILLING TO GO IN.
AND THAT'S THE LAST I HEARD ABOUT DOING THE IMPACT STUDY.
WELL, WHAT HE ASKED THAT MEETING WAS, HE SAID, WELL, I, HE SAID THAT YES, THE COUNTY WAS PLANNING TO DO IT.
THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY INFORMATION THAT WE WANTED THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT IF THEY DID THE STUDY, SO THEY COULD, THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT TO BE ABLE TO SAY, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED? AND WE WERE LIKE, NO, THERE WASN'T ANYTHING IN PARTICULAR THAT, THAT THE TOWN, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE IN THE FISCAL IMPACT THAT HAS TO DO WITH SCHOOLS AND FIRE AND RESCUE WOULD BE THE COUNTY WOULD BE THE ONES IMPACTED BY IT.
WHAT WE DON'T WANNA DO IS GIVE OUT NUMBERS THAT ARE SO LOW THAT, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE THAT, I MEAN, LET'S BE HONEST, NO DEVELOPER'S GONNA GIVE YOU MORE MONEY THAN WHAT YOU'RE, WHAT YOU'RE ASKING FOR.
AND THEY USE THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL TO MODEL THEIR NUMBERS WERE USING.
AND I WAS SPECIFICALLY THIS ROAD IMPACT FEES.
BUT WE COULDN'T ASK FOR THOSE.
WE COULDN'T ASK FOR, IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE FOR THE TOWN AND COUNTY TO DO SEPARATE ONES EITHER BECAUSE OF THE OVERLAP AND HOW IT AFFECTS IT.
IT DEFINITELY NEEDS TO BE COLLABORATIVE, I THINK.
AND THEY WERE QUICK TO TELL US, I KNOW ONE SITUATION, THEY WERE QUICK TO TELL US THAT THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO, THEY DIDN'T HAVE TO PROFFER BECAUSE CERTAIN THINGS, BECAUSE THOSE, THIS TOWN WASN'T RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SCHOOLS.
SO THEY DIDN'T BASICALLY OWE US MONEY TOWARDS THE SCHOOL BECAUSE WE WEREN'T THAT, THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO IMPACT US FINANCIALLY.
BUT WE WERE LIKE, BUT IT IS GONNA IMPACT THE COUNTY.
AND IF EVERY HOUSE IS 1.1 0.5 CHILDREN AND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BUILDING 135
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HOUSES, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALMOST A HALF ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.I THINK I, AS I RECALL, AS I RECALL, THE CONVERSATIONS THAT I WAS HAVING WITH THE COUNTY AT THE TIME, IT WAS THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL WAS THE, THAT WAS DEFINITELY ONE THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE UPDATED BECAUSE THE NUMBER THEY WERE USING, DON'T QUOTE ME, DON'T QUOTE ME
I DON'T, BUT IT WAS LIKE, LET'S SAY THEY SAID IT WAS GONNA COST LIKE $4 MILLION TO MAIL TO AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, BUT BECAUSE AT THE TIME THAT THAT FISCAL IMPACT MODEL WAS, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN ACCURATE.
BUT WE WERE ALL LIKE, WELL WAIT A SECOND, THEY JUST BUILT THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FOR THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY.
THERE'S NO WAY YOU'RE GONNA BUILD AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL FOR THAT.
SO WE COULDN'T BUILD A FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR THAT.
BUT THAT'S WHAT, AND THAT'S WHAT HE, UM, MR. PETTY WAS REFERRING TO IS, UM, 'CAUSE HONESTLY THE SCHOOL BOARD SCHOOL BOARD KEPT TALKING TO US ABOUT A DEVELOPMENT THAT WE WERE, THAT, THAT WAS, UH, INTERESTED IN COMING IN.
THEY DID NOT COME IN, BUT THEY WERE INTERESTED IN COMING IN.
AND THE SCHOOL BOARD WAS VERY CONCERNED THAT, THAT WE WERE GONNA TAKE ON THESE EXTRA PUPILS.
AND WHEN THEY STARTED, WE WERE LOOKING AT THE NUMBERS, THEY WERE LIKE, WELL, WE GOTTA CHANGE THESE NUMBERS.
AND SO ANYWAY, THEY SAID THAT, AND HONESTLY THAT WAS TWO, THAT WAS PROBABLY ALMOST TWO, THREE YEARS AGO.
SO I GUARANTEE YOU THOSE NUMBERS ARE VASTLY DIFFERENT EVEN NOW.
'CAUSE CONSTRUCTION IS, YOU KNOW, ALL GONE UP AT THE JOINT MEETINGS.
THEY SAID THE SCHOOL POPULATION HAD TICKED DOWN A LITTLE BIT, BUT I THINK IT'S GETTING READY TO, TO TICK BACK UP BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION AND THE DEVELOPMENTS.
AND THEN THAT WAS, UH, IF I, UNLESS I MISUNDERSTOOD, THOSE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE CLOSE TO THE CAPACITY AGAIN, CURRENTLY AS ROADS IS WHAT I YES.
YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT, THAT 90 A UNIT.
OFF RYER ROAD IS, THAT'S GONNA BUST THE SEAMS OF RERE AND BEGIN THAT POPPED THAT, POPPED IT UP AGAIN TO TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, THE ONE I, THE ONE WE WERE REFERRING TO WAS OFF OF UMDO SHORES ROAD.
BUT LIKE I SAID, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN.
BUT NOW WE GOT MARSHALLS GLENN.
SO ANYWAY, AGAIN, IT WAS REALLY JUST MORE ABOUT, I FEEL SILLY, LIKE, 'CAUSE I'M LIKE, I KNOW YOU GUYS DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY TO DO A PHYSICAL IMPACT STUDY.
WE WOULD WELCOME YOU GUYS HELPING US OUT ON THAT.
BUT ANYWAY, I, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT, IF IT'S A PROGRAM THAT JOE'S RIGHT, IT PROBABLY TAKES A CONSULTANT, BUT ALSO, EVEN IF THERE'S A FORMULA, AT LEAST TO UPDATE THE FORMULA INSTEAD, IF SOMEBODY COMES IN, THERE ARE, YOU DON'T, I'M SURE THEY'RE, I'M SURE YOU'VE PROBABLY DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE.
BUT, UM, BUT ANYWAY, LIKE I SAID, DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF, OF OUR COMMUNITY BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT NUMBERS IN THERE.
THAT THEY'RE NO, IT'S, IT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
WELL, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT, UM, DEVELOPERS ARE THINKING ABOUT PROFFERS MAYBE IN A DIFFERENT WAY, OR I'VE ASKED THEM TO THINK ABOUT THIS IN A DIFFERENT WAY.
WE HAVE A, UM, I DON'T WANNA GIVE SO MUCH AWAY A MOBILE HOME PARK THAT'S PROBABLY GOING TO EXPAND.
AND THE DEVELOPER CAME TO ME AND I, UM, AND I SUBMITTED THE SUGGESTION TO HIM, SO HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ABOUT BUILDING A BUS SHELTER WITH ELECTRICITY AND WIFI? 'CAUSE WHAT THAT MEANS IS THESE KIDS ARE GONNA COME DOWN, WAIT FOR THE BUS, THEY ALL HAVE CHROMEBOOKS.
UM, AND IF THEY CAN'T AFFORD WIFI AT HOME, THEN THERE'S A PLACE FOR THESE KIDS TO WALK TO TO DO THEIR HOMEWORK.
AND I THINK IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME TRACTION.
WELL, ACTUALLY, I, I STOLE THIS FROM LAKEFRONT ROYAL WHEN I WAS OUT VISITING AND I SAW, UM, THE BUS SHELTER AND THEY SAID, OH, WE HAVE WIFI IN THERE.
AND I THOUGHT, YES, THIS, THIS COULD BE A MODEL FOR A LOT OF RURAL NEIGHBORHOODS, UH, TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO DO THAT.
SO I THINK THEY'RE GONNA GO BACK.
THERE'RE GONNA TALK TO SOME PROVIDERS AND WE HAVE A COUPLE COUNTY BUS DROP OFF AREAS TOO.
THEY MAYBE AT SOME POINT WE LOOK AT UPGRADE NEW.
SO I, THERE ARE LOTS OF WAYS I THINK YOU CAN LOOK WHEN YEAH.
UH, IT JUST DOESN'T HAVE TO BE MONEY PER SE.
BUT, BUT BENEFITS IN SOME WAY, BUT BENEFITS IN SOME WAY TO THE KIDS.
AND THE TABLETS, NO, NOT, OH, ON, ON VENUS.
VENUS BRANCH, THERE'S A, THAT'S RIGHT ON BLUE MOUNTAIN ROAD.
I CAN'T THINK OF IT'S BLUE MOUNTAIN, BUT IT'S CALLED, BUT IT'S GOT A NAME FOR THAT LITTLE, OH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE NAME OF IT.
I KNEW IT HAD A NAME THEN IT'S
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ONE AT THE OLD TURKEY FARM.AND THEN VENUS BRANCH HAS A LITTLE, UM, COVERED AREA THAT THE KIDS CAN GET IN WHERE THE BUS MAKES A LOOP THROUGH IT.
BUT WE'VE GOT VERY CREATIVE ABOUT, UM, THAT MAYBE THERE ARE SOME PARENTS THAT WILL COME AND USE THE BUS SHELTER FOR WIFI.
BECAUSE IT'S IN THEIR COMMUNITY.
OH, I, I, I CAN TOTALLY TELL YOU THAT THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT TO SOME FAMILIES, YOU KNOW.
I THINK THAT THAT ONE, I WAS GONNA SAY THIS ONE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY, IF HE WANTS TO SPEAK TO THIS.
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THE JOINT TO, TO, YEAH, WE, WE ADDED IT BECAUSE OUR CLERK REMINDED US THAT THERE WERE BOARD TERMS THAT EXPIRE AUGUST 31ST.AND THE JOINT TOWING ADVISORY BOARD IS, UM, IT'S A TOWN AND COUNTY AND WE BOTH HAVE TO REAPPOINT TO THAT BOARD.
LIKE IT'S A, IT'S A JOINT THING.
YOU ALL DO IT AT YOUR MEETING.
LIEUTENANT, YOU ARE LIEUTENANT, CORRECT.
GET YOUR RING CORRECT, BECAUSE I WASN'T SURE WHAT YOUR TITLE WAS.
UH, SO I, I DON'T DUNNO HOW THIS WORKS AS FAR AS PRESENTATION.
YOU GOTTA GET IT SO THAT YOU ARE A LITTLE CLOSER OR HEARD.
YOU GOTTA BE A LITTLE CLOSER ON THOSE.
UH, SO I'M LIEUTENANT GLAD WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND I'M CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE CHAIR OF THE JOINT TOW BOARD.
AND TO MY RIGHT IS MS. GLORIA NOT, SHE'S CURRENTLY SERVING AS THE VICE CHAIR.
UM, WE, UH, UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE SOME APPOINTMENTS THAT ARE COMING UP FOR THE COMMITTEE TO DECIDE UPON.
UH, RECENTLY WE RECEIVED A RESIGNATION FROM OUR CITIZEN.
UM, AND WE ALSO DISCOVERED THAT THAT APPOINTMENT OF THAT CITIZEN POSITION MAY NOT HAVE BEEN DONE CORRECTLY.
UH, WE HAVE A FORMER CITIZEN ON THE BOARD WHO WANTED TO STEP DOWN.
UH, WE MADE A DECISION TO ADD ANOTHER PERSON FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHO WAS THE CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE, UM, WHICH OPENED UP A COUPLE OTHER QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY, BUT SHE HAS STEPPED DOWN AND SHE WAS SERVING AS THE SECRETARY.
UH, MS. GLORIA'S GONNA BE INTERIM SECRETARY UNTIL, UH, A NEW CIVILIAN IS APPOINTED.
AT WHICH POINT, ONCE THE BOARD IS ESTABLISHED WITH NEW MEMBERS, WILL MAKE A VOTE ON WHOEVER'S GONNA TAKE OVER SECRETARY.
UM, BUT I BROUGHT A COUPLE OTHER THINGS THAT I THINK WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT FOR, FOR THE COMMITTEE'S, UH, CONSIDERATION.
UM, UH, CURRENTLY THE, THE ORDINANCE IN THE BYLAWS DON'T REALLY CONFLICT WITH EACH OTHER.
UH, BUT WE DO HAVE SOME, UM, SOME UNCLEAR VERBIAGE ON THE, UH, FEES AND INSPECTION STICKER PROCESS.
UH, IN THE, UH, POLICY, IT STATES THAT E EVERY YEAR APPLICANTS WILL HAVE THEIR, UH, STORAGE LOTS AND THEIR VEHICLES IF THEY APPLY TO USE INSPECTED.
UH, WE CURRENTLY HAVE STATE POLICE GO OUT AND DO THOSE INSPECTIONS.
HOWEVER, UH, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, WE HAVE NOT ISSUED INSPECTION STICKERS FOR SEVERAL YEARS.
UM, AND WHILE THAT'S NOT, UH, AN OVERALL, UM, LARGE PROBLEM FOR OPERATIONS, UH, CONFIRMING THAT VEHICLES THAT SHOW UP TO TOW, UM, ANY ACCIDENT VEHICLES INVOLVED WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT, THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND, SO TO SPEAK, HAVE NO WAY OF CONFIRMING IF THIS TRUCK HAS BEEN THROUGH THE INSPECTION PROCESS OR IF IN FACT THIS COMPANY IS EVEN, OKAY, THEY'RE ON THE ROTATION, BUT A NEW TRUCK MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INSPECTED, OR A TRUCK THAT'S OUT OF SERVICE THAT IS NOW BACK IN SERVICE MAY NOT HAVE BEEN INSPECTED AND IN COMPLIANCE.
UM, WHO DOES THE INSPECTION? SO WE HAVE OUR, OUR, OUR STATE TROOPER WHO'S ON THE BOARD, MARK, WHAT'S HIS LAST NAME? STEVENS.
UM, HE'S DOING THE INSPECTIONS.
UM, WE DO THAT ON AN ANNUAL BASIS OR AS NEEDED WHEN A NEW TRUCK COMES IN.
UM, BUT THE QUESTION HAS COME UP.
WHO PURCHASED THE, PURCHASED THE, UH, INSPECTION STICKERS AND WHO COLLECTS THE FUNDS? IT, IT'S RIGHT NOW WRITTEN THAT THE BOARD COLLECTS THE FUNDS, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THE BOARD SHOULD BE A FINANCIAL INSTITUTE OR HAVE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF COLLECTING FUNDS WITHOUT A TREASURY.
SO THE QUESTION IS, DO WE NEED TO UPDATE THE POLICY, UH, TO REFLECT WHETHER THE TOWN TREASURY DEPARTMENT WILL PURCHASE AND COLLECT FUNDS, OR IF THE COUNTY TREASURY WILL PURCHASE THE TICKETS, ISSUE THEM OUT AS NEEDED AND COLLECT THE FUNDS.
UH, I THINK THAT KIND OF WOULD
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REDUCE A LOT OF THE LIABILITY THAT WOULD FALL ON THE CURRENT BOARD.I, YEAH, I JUST WOULD'VE THOUGHT THAT THEY GO TO AN INSPECTION STATION LIKE, I TAKE MY CAR.
I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT IT WAS BEING DONE DIFFERENTLY.
AND THE BOARD HAS DISCUSSED THAT.
I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S NECESSARILY AN ISSUE, BUT WE PROBABLY NEED TO STRIKE THE LANGUAGE OF AN INSPECTION PROCESS AND THE ISSUANCE OF AN INSPECTION STICKER ABSENT A STATE INSPECTION.
THE DIFFERENCE BEING IS THERE'S CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS TO BE ON THE ROTATION LIST, ONE OF WHICH YOU HAVE TO HAVE KITTY LITTER.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE, UH, CERTAIN LIGHTS IF YOU'RE A, A WRECKER TYPE, UH, TOW.
THAT STUFF THEY WOULDN'T CHECK AT A REGULAR.
SO IF A TOW COMPANY WERE TO SHOW UP AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE CERTAIN ITEMS, SAY THE DEPUTY OR THE, THE TOWN OFFICER, THE STATE TROOPER RECOGNIZES YOU DON'T HAVE WHAT YOU NEED, THAT COULD LODGE A COMPLAINT.
UM, BUT ABSENT AN INSPECTION AND A VERIFICATION OF THIS VEHICLE HAS BEEN INSPECTED, WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
SO, UH, THE BOARD IS KIND OF INDIFFERENT ON WHETHER OR NOT WE NEED TO CONTINUE IT, BUT GIVEN THE CURRENT LANGUAGE, I THINK WE NEED TO SPECIFY WHO'S GONNA PAY FOR THE TICKETS, HOLD THE TICKETS, AND COLLECT THE FUNDS FROM THE TICKETS.
IN THE PAST, UM, THE EMILY WAS ON THE BOARD AND OKAY.
YEAH, THEY WERE, YES, THEY WERE, UM, YOU KNOW, PAID THROUGH HER AT THE TIME THAT SHE WAS INSPECTION.
ONCE YOU GOT YOUR INSPECTION, THEN YOUR $10 STICKER OR WHATEVER IT WAS, UH, WAS PAID TO HER.
SO THAT WAS A A, A COUNTY FUNCTION, IT SOUNDS LIKE.
HUH? I, I REMEMBER HER BEING ON IT.
I'M TRYING TO THINK, WAS SHE THE CITIZEN PERSON? SHE WAS.
'CAUSE WE WERE KIND OF STRUGGLING TO FIND A CITIZEN BOARD MEMBER.
AND I THINK THAT WAS THE, THE WORKAROUND YEAH.
OR THE RESOLUTION TO IT WAS THAT SHE WAS WILLING TO DO IT.
THEY, DO THEY CONTACT YOU? STATE POLICE? DOES THEY WANNA KNOW IF SO MANY WHO HAS LICENSES WITH TOW INCOMES, WOULD IT MAKE SENSE THAT THEN IT WOULD GO THROUGH YOU LICENSE? SO PART OF, PART OF THE BOARD'S FUNCTION IS TO RECEIVE APPLICATIONS EACH YEAR AND REVIEW THOSE APPLICATIONS.
THOSE APPLICATIONS HAVE TO COME WITH LICENSES OF THE OPERATORS, UM, PROOF THAT, UH, THE, THE TOW COMPANIES HAVE PAID THEIR, UM, THE COUNTY TOWN TAXES, THEIR BUSINESS LICENSES, EVERYTHING IS UP TO DATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY TAXES.
SO, UH, THE SECRETARY, I THINK HISTORICALLY, AND FORGIVE ME, I I'VE ONLY BEEN ON THE BOARD FOR A FEW YEARS.
UM, BUT, UH, I THINK HISTORICALLY THE SECRETARY KIND OF HANDLED ALL OF THAT AND THEN SAID, YES, THIS IS GOOD, OR THAT IS NOT GOOD.
AND THEN FORWARDED OUT FOR THOSE TO CORRECT.
AND IF THEY WEREN'T CORRECTED IN TIME, THEY WEREN'T PUT ON THE ROTATION LIST.
UM, BUT CURRENTLY WHAT WE HAVE, EVERYTHING IS ON THE UP AND UP AS FAR AS LICENSURE.
UM, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE VERIFY EACH YEAR WITH APPLICATION.
UM, BACK TO THE CIVILIAN, UH, BOARD MEMBER.
UM, BECAUSE THE LAST TWO CIVILIAN BOARD MEMBERS, UH, WERE CHOSEN FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND ADDED AS CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES, BOTH OF WHICH ACTED AS SECRETARY.
UM, THE QUESTION COMES UP, ESPECIALLY FOR ME, IS, UH, AND WHETHER IT'S NOT SPOKEN FROM SOME OF THE, THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS, IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST WHEN IT COMES TO VOTING.
UH, BECAUSE WHEN DECISION NEEDS TO BE MADE, AND THEY MAY BE THE, UH, THE, THE BREAKING DECISION VOTE, UH, IF THEY WORK FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THEY ARE
UH, MYSELF OR ANOTHER SHERIFF'S OFFICE REPRESENTATIVE, I THINK THAT CAN CAUSE SOME QUESTION ON WHETHER OR NOT THE VOTE IS SKEWED.
SO I THINK THAT SHOULD BE CLARIFIED ALSO IN LANGUAGE, UM, AND HOW THEY'RE SELECTED.
UH, AND THE QUESTION WE HAVE TOO IS HOW, HOW DOES, HOW DOES THE COMMITTEE DECIDE ON WHO IS APPOINTED FOR THE TOW BOARD FROM THE MULTITUDE OF TOW COMPANIES THAT EXISTS? UM, WHETHER THEY'RE ON THE ROTATION OR NOT, IF THERE'S AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR IT, OR, UH, I THINK I, I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE, SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE, I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME, BEEN THE SAME THREE PEOPLE.
AND I STARTED IN JANUARY OF 2020, AND SO DID, UM, MS. CULLS.
UM, AND MAYBE THAT'S, MAYBE IT, I, I, I CAN'T TALK TO, I CAN'T SPEAK TO THE HISTORY OF IT.
I JUST FEEL LIKE THAT WAS HOW IT WAS.
AND I KNOW, I KNOW, I KNOW WHO THE FORMER CITIZEN PERSON WAS TOO.
AND THEY APPLIED BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING WHERE THEY, THERE WAS JUST LIKE OUR, UM, JUST LIKE OUR, LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION OR BZA OR THAT THERE WAS LIKE
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AN APPLICATION AND THE PERSON APPLIED.THAT'S A A BUT MAYBE THEY APPLIED BECAUSE SOMEBODY ENCOURAGED THEM TO APPLY BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE.
LIKE, I, I THINK THEY WERE JUST, MIGHT HAVE BEEN A DISPATCHER AT THE TIME.
UM, BUT I, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW.
THOSE, THOSE ARE GOOD QUESTIONS.
LIKE, ARE, ARE YOU SAYING THAT MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK MORE ABOUT WHO THE BOARD MEMBERS ARE AND ROTATE THEM OFF, OR, SO THAT GIVES SOMEBODY ELSE A TURN OR, WELL, YOU KNOW, WITH, WITH BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, TOWN COUNCILS, I THINK THERE'S A SELECTION PROCESS.
UH, THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME VOTING THAT GOES ON FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN MAYBE BEING PART OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
UM, AND THERE'S NOT BEEN ANY COMPLICATIONS.
BUT AGAIN, IT HAS BEEN THE SAME THREE, UH, TOW OWNER OPERATORS, UH, SINCE AS FAR BACK AS I KNOW, UM, AGAIN, NO COMPLICATION, BUT 2017, 18, I THINK WHEN THEY STARTED THE BOARD.
BUT THE, THE QUESTION LIES WITH OTHER TOW COMPANIES WHO MIGHT BE ON THE ROTATION LIST.
WHEN DO I GET AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A STAKE IN DECISION PROCESS? SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME THINGS I'M, I'M BRINGING UP.
IT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THEY NEED TO BE CHANGED, BUT IT'S SOMETHING THAT MAY BE CONSIDERED AND IT'S NOT IN THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? IT'S NOT IN THE BYLAWS.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS HOW THEY CAME TO BE, HOW THEY GOT TO BE ON THE BOARD, JUST THAT THEY ARE MADE UP OF THREE TOW TOW OPERATORS, TOW COMPANY OPERATORS, AND THAT, AND IT IS APPROVED.
IT IS A, IT'S AN ACTION ITEM BY THE TOWN COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO APPROVE THAT BOARD.
UM, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THE ORDINANCE, SO I GUESS WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT IT BECAUSE MAYBE THE, ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT MAYBE THE ORDINANCE SAY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF LIKE, THAT THEY SERVE LIKE A THREE YEAR TERM OR A FOUR YEAR TERM AND THEN ROTATE OFF? THE ONLY REASON WHY I'M SAYING THAT IS, I, MY EXPERIENCE WITH THE TOWN HAS BEEN WE STRUGGLE TO GET PEOPLE TO WANNA SERVE ON, I MEAN, I'M, IF I'M BEING COMPLETELY HONEST, SURE.
WE STRUGGLE TO GET PEOPLE TO BE ON THEM.
UM, AND SO THAT, BUT MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER TOWING COMPANIES THAT WANT TO TURN NOW.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I, I HEAR WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID ABOUT, UM, WHAT YOU JUST WERE REFERRING TO WAS WHEN MS. KNIGHT CAME, I THINK YOU CAME BEFORE AND TALKED TO US ABOUT IT, UM, ABOUT HAVING LIKE A CAP ON THE TOWING COMPANIES THAT'S ON THE LIST TO TOW.
BUT WHAT YOU JUST SAID WAS, THAT WAS ONE OF MY CONCERNS WHEN IT WAS BROUGHT UP BEFORE IS, IS THAT, IS THAT SOMEBODY WOULD, SOMEBODY WOULD SAY, WELL, WHY CAN'T I BE ON THERE IF THERE'S A CAP? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IF A NEW, NEW BUSINESS COME, YOU KNOW, THE NEW NEW ENTREPRENEUR COMES IN, STARTS THE NEW TOWING BUSINESS, AND ONCE SAYS, WELL, I WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I WANNA GET A PIECE OF THAT ACTION.
LIKE, HOW COME I'M NOT GETTING CALLED? AND IF WE PUT A CAP ON IT.
BUT ALONG THOSE SAME LINES, WHAT YOU JUST SAID TOO, THOUGH, IS MAYBE THERE ARE OTHER TOWING COMPANIES OUT THERE THAT SAY, I, I, THERE'S THREE, THERE'S THREE BOARD, THERE'S THREE TOWING COMPANIES ON THIS BOARD, AND I WANT TO BE ONE OF THEM.
HOW DO I GET ON THERE? IF THIS IS IN PERPETUITY, THESE PEOPLE GET TO STAY ON IT FOREVER.
SO THESE, THESE ARE GOOD POINTS.
SO THE, THE, THE, THE TOW COMPANIES WHO HAVE COMPRISED THE BOARD HAS NOT CHANGED SINCE 2018.
UH, THE OFFICERS ON THE BOARD, THOSE CHANGE, AND THERE ARE SOME BYLAWS ON HOW OFTEN THOSE HAVE TO CHANGE, WHICH I THINK IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, AND WHILE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE CAP, UH, IT, IT WAS EXPRESSED BY SEVERAL OF THE TOW COMPANIES ON THE BOARD, AND IT WAS VOTED ON THE BOARD TO, TO BASICALLY BRING IT TO THE COMMITTEE FOR CONSIDERATION, CAPPING IT.
UM, SOME OF THE CONCERN BEING, AGAIN, ARE WE EXCLUDING POTENTIAL BUSINESS OWNERS, THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ON THE ROTATION, WHICH THEN PULLS BACK THE PURPOSE OF HAVING A, A STRONG TO TOW ROTATION LIST FOR QUICK, UH, REMEDIATION OF, OF, UH, OF, UH, ACCIDENT SCENES OR CAR CRASHES.
UM, BUT IF IN THE BENEFIT TO THE BENEFIT OF THE TOW COMPANIES, UH, IF THE, THE REQUIREMENTS TO BE ON THE ROTATION ARE VERY STRINGENT AND THE TYPE OF, UH, FACILITIES, THE, THE, UM, THE TOOLS AND SERVICES THAT THEY PROVIDE BE SO STRINGENT THAT NOT JUST ANY HAIRY, UH MM-HMM
YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS.
THE GUY WITH THE TOW TRUCK, YOU DON'T GET THE REQUIREMENTS.
AND A MAJOR LOT CAN'T JUST BE ON THE ROTATION BECAUSE CERTAINLY THEY CANNOT KEEP UP WITH THE CURRENT TOW COMPANIES THAT SERVICE NOW.
BUT TO, TO STATE A CAP, I THINK IT COULD POTENTIALLY OPEN US UP FOR SOME, UH, QUESTIONS.
I, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD CONCERN ME.
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LIKE TO SEE LANGUAGE THAT, OKAY, YOU'VE GOT STRINGENT WHAT YOUR EQUIPMENT NEEDS TO BE AND, AND THAT KIND OF THING.YOU NEED TO HAVE A LICENSE, YOUR BUSINESS LICENSE, ALL OF THAT.
BUT I WOULD ALSO WANT TO THROW IN THOUGHT PROCESS OF RESPONSE TIME.
IF, IF YOU'RE GONNA BE ON THERE AND YOU'VE MET ALL THESE OTHER QUALIFICATIONS, BUT EVERY TIME YOU'RE CALLED YOU TAKE FOREVER TO GET THERE OR YOU DON'T COME, THEN THAT'S GONNA PROHIBIT YOUR CONTINUATION ON THAT.
BECAUSE THAT'S, IT'S NOT FAIR TO HAVE SOMEONE ON A ROTATION THAT NEVER SHOWS UP.
THAT'S THE SAME THING AS, AND HAPPEN, WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS.
UH, SOMEBODY COMING TO WORK, IF YOU CAN'T DEPEND ON 'EM TO BE THERE, WHY SHOULD THEY CONTINUE BEING EMPLOYED? RIGHT.
I MEAN, I, I, I WOULD LOOK AT SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO HELP CONTROL, BECAUSE PUTTING A CAP ON IT, I, I DO THINK THAT THAT WOULD END UP BEING A PROBLEM.
WELL, AND IT OPENS, IT OPENS UP THE QUESTION OF IF WE CAP IT AND EVERYONE HAS TO APPLY, UH, EACH YEAR, WHAT, WHAT KICKS ONE MEMBER OFF AND ADDS ANOTHER MEMBER ON.
IF EVERYONE HAS DONE THE JOB WELL.
AND AGAIN, WE'VE HAD ZERO SUSTAINED COMPLAINTS THIS YEAR.
UM, I DON'T THINK WE HAD ANY SUSTAINED COMPLAINTS LAST YEAR.
SO WE'RE DOING VERY WELL WITH WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, BUT THOSE WERE SOME CONCERNS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.
UM, AND SOME OF THE LANGUAGE MAY NEED TO BE TIGHTENED UP AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
AND I'M LOOKING, YOU GO AHEAD, I'M SORRY.
I MIGHT WOULD ADD THAT, UH, AND I'VE SAID THIS ABOUT OTHER BOARDS, COMMITTEES, SUBCOMMITTEES, UH, I THINK ANY AND ALL SHOULD HAVE A TERM THAT NOTHING SHOULD BE A LIFE APPOINTMENT ALL 2, 3, 4 YEARS, WHATEVER ALL IS APPROPRIATE.
ALL, BUT IT'S NOTHING TO SAY THAT IF YOU'VE GOT A GOOD BOARD MEMBER AND YOU'RE HAVING TROUBLE GETTING PEOPLE THAT YOU JUST CAN'T RENOMINATE.
BUT, BUT I DON'T THINK ONCE YOU'RE NOMINATED, YOU JUST STAY THERE UNTIL YOU DIE OR QUIT.
YOU KNOW, THAT IT, YOU KNOW, EVERY SO MANY YEARS, YOU KNOW, SAID, HEY, WE'RE WE'RE DOING APPLICATIONS AGAIN.
WOULD YOU REAPPLY? WOULD BE, WOULD BE FAIR.
BUT I I, WE'VE HAD SOME OTHER COMMITTEES AND SUBCOMMITTEES AND STUFF THAT, OH, I JUST DON'T LIKE THE ACTION OF THAT.
UH, SO NO, I THINK IF YOU PUT THE WORDAGE IN, IT'S A FOUR YEAR EXPIRES, BUT IF NO ONE ELSE, YOU CAN'T FIND SOMEONE HAD TO WORD.
WELL, YOU JUST, YOU TAKE APPLICATIONS AND YOU, YOU, YOU VOTE ON WHO YOU WANT.
AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF A AND THEN IT'S PROBABLY, IT MAY BE EVEN A GUY TOO ON HERE.
WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE ANYBODY, I'LL JUST STAY.
BUT IF YOU PUT IT OUT FOR APPLICATION, HE KNEW HOW TO TERM AND HIS TERM WAS UP AND HE DIDN'T WANNA DO IT ANYMORE, HE'D SAY, I'M NOT RUNNING AGAIN.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D HAVE TO, AND THEN IF YOU GOT MORE APPLICATIONS THAN YOU NEED, SOMETIMES IT'S A HARD DECISION, BUT YOU JUST HAVE TO VOTE AND PICK.
BUT IF YOU DON'T GET ANY, THEN I THINK IF YOU GOT THE VERBIAGE IN THERE THAT IT CAN BE EXTENDED UNTIL SOMEONE DOES COME FORWARD, HOWEVER, THAT WOULD BE BECAUSE YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT THAT PERSON NOT TO BE QUALIFIED ANY LONGER BECAUSE YOU'VE HIT YOUR FOUR YEAR MARK AND THEN YOU'VE GOT NOBODY.
AND, AND I WILL SAY, UNLESS IT'S IN HERE, I DON'T THINK IT IS.
LIKE I KNOW WE HAVE, UM, I WANNA SAY IT'S BA NO, IT'S THE BAR.
YOU CAN ONLY SERVE SO MANY TERMS. LIKE YEAH, I THINK IT'S LIKE THREE TERMS AND THEN YOU'RE OUT.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO LIMIT THAT FOR THIS.
WHAT I WAS, I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO HAVE TERM LIMITS.
I THINK YOU JUST NEED TO HAVE A TERM.
AND I, I WAS WHISPERING TO THEM, SORRY, SIDEBAR, IS THAT I FEEL LIKE, I REMEMBER IN MY TIME SERVING
AND THAT'S HOW I THINK WE ENDED UP GETTING EMILY AND STUFF BECAUSE THEY COULDN'T HAVE A MEETING BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FULL BOARD.
UM, SO I HAVE A QUESTION, THOUGH.
YOU JUST MADE ME THINK ABOUT SOMETHING IS TO GET ON THE LIST, RIGHT? IF, IF YOU GET COMPLAINTS, LIKE MAYBE OFFICERS ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT COMING, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVEN'T COME SOON ENOUGH OR WHATEVER.
DO, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COMES TO YOU ALL WHERE YOU ALL SAY, LOOK, WE'VE, YOU KNOW, WE'VE LIKE, UH, I AM SO EXCITED TO HEAR YOU SAY THERE HAVE BEEN NONE.
BUT IF YOU EVER GOT INTO A SITUATION WHERE A PARTICULAR COMPANY WAS IN THE ROTATION, AND THEN MULTIPLE TIMES PEOPLE WERE LIKE, THEY NEVER SHOWED UP.
THEY, YOU KNOW, DO YOU ALL, IS THAT YOUR ALL'S AUTHORITY TO REMOVE THEM FROM THE LIST? SO, SO IT FALLS ON THE BOARD.
UM, THE COMPLAINT CAN BE FILED BY A CIVILIAN OR A TOW COMPANY OR, UH, LAW ENFORCEMENT, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE COMPLAINT IS.
UM, WE HAVE THE FORMS AT THE OFFICE.
THE FORMS ARE AVAILABLE ON BOTH, UH, COUNTY WEBSITES OR COUNTY AND TOWN WEBSITES.
UM, WHEN THEY COME IN, THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE, UH, SITTING SECRETARY OF THE BOARD.
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UH, THEY SHOULD RE REVIEW IT AND THEN PASS IT ON TO THE CHAIR AND THE VICE CHAIR, AT WHICH POINT THERE'S A SPECIAL COMMITTEE OR A SPECIAL HEARING CALLED, UM, WHERE THE BOARD WILL SIT DOWN, COLLECT WHATEVER INFORMATION'S AVAILABLE, DECIDE ON WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A REAL VIOLATION OR JUST A, AN UNHAPPY CUSTOMER, SO TO SPEAK.IF IT'S A SUSTAINED COMPLAINT, IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION ON WHETHER TO SUSPEND OR REMOVE ENTIRELY FOR THAT YEAR.
UM, BUT WELL, AT LEAST YOU GOT A PROCESS IN PLACE.
THE POLICY, THE POLICY IS VERY, VERY GOOD.
I THINK THERE'S JUST SOME LANGUAGE THAT KIND OF OPENS SOME QUESTIONS AS TO, AGAIN, WHO CAN BE THE CITIZEN.
SO I, I THINK WHAT I WROTE DOWN THAT YOU SAID WE NEED TO CLEAN UP IS WHO BUYS THE INSPECTION STICKERS, WHO COLLECTS THE FUNDS FOR THE INSPECTION STICKERS? HOW THE CITIZEN REP IS SELECTED, BUT REALLY MORE, NOT HOW THEY'RE SELECTED, BUT WHO SHOULD NOT BE SELECTED.
LIKE MAYBE IF THEY DON'T WORK FOR, I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU'RE RECOMMENDING, LIKE IT LANGUAGE SAYS THEY DON'T WORK FOR THE TOWN OR COUNTY.
I, I THINK IT TO BE COMPLETELY IMPARTIAL, THEY NEED TO NOT BE, UH, IN ANY WAY AFFILIATED WITH TOW COMPANIES, WITH THE LAW ENFORCEMENT PROVIDERS.
UM, THEY JUST NEED TO BE, UH, JOE SCHMO, UH, CITIZEN JOE SCHMO CITIZEN.
THE, THE COMPLICATION I FIND WITH THAT IN THE TERM LIMITS OF FOUR YEARS TO SERVE ON THE BOARD IS, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA DO IT ANYMORE.
I'M, I HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO WITH MY FAMILY AS A CITIZEN.
THERE'S, THE COMPLAINTS AREN'T THAT BIG.
AND IF I GET NOMINATED AS THE SECRETARY, AS A CIVILIAN, THERE'S MORE THINGS I HAVE TO DO NOW.
I DON'T WANT TO DO IT ANYMORE.
AND THEN WE'RE BACK TO SITTING DOWN AND FINDING OUT WHO'S GONNA BE SERVING AS A CIVILIAN.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S WHY, AT LEAST FOR THE LAST TWO, IT WAS JUST AN EASY LAND ON AN EMPLOYEE WHO WAS CLOSE BY THAT YEAH.
I MEAN, I REMEMBER IT AND WE, I REMEMBER EVERY, YES, WE WERE, WE WERE KIND OF BEGGING PEOPLE TO BE WILLING TO TAKE IT.
WOULD YOU MIND YOU AND YOUR BOARD, WOULD YOU MIND, 'CAUSE YOU SAID IT VERY ELOQUENTLY ABOUT SAYING THAT THE CITIZEN REP SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ASSOCIATION WITH THIS.
WOULD YOU MIND SUGGESTING THE DRAFT LANGUAGE FOR THAT? BECAUSE IT MIGHT BE THAT WE NEED TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE, RIGHT.
WHICH WOULD TAKE A PUBLIC HEARING.
RIGHT? MR. PETTY, LIKE WE'D HAVE TO HAVE IT PROPOSE IT.
WELL, THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY RIGHT.
WOULD BOTH HAVE TO AMEND THE ORDINANCE 'CAUSE RIGHT.
HAVE THE EXACT SAME ORDINANCE AND THAT, AND WHAT I'M THINKING IS, IF THESE BOARD TERMS EXPIRE AUGUST 31ST, WE NEED TO HAVE THE DRAFT LANGUAGE, UH, HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AND GET ALL OF THAT DONE BEFORE THE BOARD, UH, TERM EXPIRES.
BECAUSE WE GOTTA FIND, OR ARE YOU SAYING WE NEED A CITIZEN REP RIGHT NOW? WE CURRENTLY HAVE NO CITIZEN ON THE BOARD.
AND IF WE WERE TO APPOINT SOMEONE THERE, OR AT LEAST THAT'S THE WAY THESE OTHER BOARDS WORK, IS THEIR TERM WOULD ALSO EXPIRE ON AUGUST 31ST.
AND IT WOULD BE JUST TO FILL THE TERM UNTIL AUGUST 31ST IN INTERIM.
AND, AND AGAIN, THE LANGUAGE IS ABSENT ON WHEN WE HAVE A SITUATION LIKE THIS.
IF, UH, SOMEONE DECIDES, WELL, I'LL TAKE ON THE ROLE OF, OF SECRETARY FOR NOW.
UM, IS THAT APPROPRIATE? AND HOW LONG IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR? AGAIN, IF WE LOSE OUR CIVILIAN IN THE FIRST YEAR OF APPOINTMENT, DO WE WAIT THREE YEARS FOR TERM APPOINTMENTS OR DO WE SIT DOWN AT A COMMITTEE MEETING? YEAH, I THINK WE NEED TO DO TRY TO SELECT ONE.
'CAUSE IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T WANT THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY ON THERE TO TAKE ON SO MUCH RESPONSIBILITY.
UM, WE DON'T WANT THAT TO HAPPEN.
MR. PETTY, IF HE GOT WITH YOU ON SOME OF THIS DRAFT LANGUAGE, WOULD YOU MIND HELPING US LIKE DRAFT SOME WHAT, WHAT, 'CAUSE NOW THAT YOU'VE REALLY DELVED INTO IT, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE SUGGESTIONS OF WHAT SHOULD BE CHANGED? I THINK WE, YEAH, I THINK WE COULD SIT DOWN AND, AND DISCUSS KIND OF SOME OF THESE CHANGES.
UM, AND WE'LL BRING IN OUR REPRESENTATIVE FROM PD AS WELL.
BUT I THINK THE OTHER QUESTIONS THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS OBVIOUSLY REGARDLESS THE TERMS END IN AUGUST AND IT IS A JOINT APPOINTMENT NOW.
YOU KNOW, THE TOWN AND COUNTY CAN REAPPOINT SOME OF THESE PEOPLE.
UM, BUT THERE'S OBVIOUSLY WE NEED TO ADVERTISE FOR A CITIZEN.
AND IF WE ARE LOOKING TO ADVERTISE, ARE WE BOTH PUTTING IT ON OUR WEBSITE AND TRYING TO GO OUT THERE? AND THEN WHAT DOES THAT INTERVIEW LOOK LIKE? SO WE REALLY NEED TO, YOU KNOW, AS WE CAN GO AHEAD AND KIND OF GET THAT OUT THERE THAT WE NEED A CITIZEN ON THE JOINT TOW BOARD POSTED AND TRY AND START, YOU KNOW, RECRUITING, BUT, WELL, THAT NEEDS TO
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HAPPEN NOW, RIGHT? YEAH.BUT THEN ALSO WE WILL HAVE TO BY OUR AUGUST MEETING REAPPOINT PEOPLE SO THAT THEIR TERMS START SEPTEMBER 1ST, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND WE NEED TO, TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE FEE COLLECTION AS WELL.
IT SOUNDS LIKE WHO'S GONNA COLLECT THAT AND TAKE CARE OF, OF BUYING THE STICKERS FOR THE STATE? SOUNDS LIKE YOU ALL ARE DOING IT BEFORE.
YEAH, I'M, I'M SAYING I, I UNDERSTAND THAT.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU'RE, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE PERFECT PERSON FOR THE JOB.
WELL, I MEAN, BUT THE STICKER, I MEAN, YOU COULD, IT WOULD, WELL YOU DON'T ISSUE THAT EITHER, DO YOU? THE DMV STUFF KIND OF COMES THROUGH YOU, BUT THEN THE FEES, WE PAY IT TO THE TREASURER, CORRECT? YES.
WE CHARGE IT WHEN WE, WHEN WE RUN THE BOOKS.
SO HOW, HOW SHOULD THIS, WHAT'S THE BEST WAY TO DO THAT, DO YOU THINK? I MEAN, IT COULD BE A SIMILAR STICKER, I GUESS.
BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA NEED A, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE STATE TROOPER.
SO THIS IS NOT FROM THE STATE.
IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO BUY.
WITH A YEAR ON IT? EXPIRATION DATE OR WHATEVER? YES.
AND HOW MANY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT IT? I MEAN, HOW MANY TOWING COMPANIES ARE WE TALKING 20 RIGHT NOW? I THINK LESS THAN 50 WOULD PROBABLY SERVE US.
YOU, YOU FIGURE IF EACH COMPANY HAS FIVE TRUCKS OH, OKAY.
THEY CAN SERVE ON THE ROTATION PROCESS.
BECAUSE WE'RE NOT MARKING UP, WE HAVE SOME COMPANIES THAT WILL SHOW UP WITH A SKID STEER AND A DUMP TRUCK AND SOME OTHER SUPPORTING APPARATUSES.
IF THAT'S WHAT THEY NEED TO, TO CLEAN UP THE SCENE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT YEAH, AS FAR AS WHAT TOWS THE VEHICLE.
THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO BE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO HAVE A STICKER, RIGHT? THAT'S TRUE.
I THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE LIKE 10.
I WAS LIKE, I WAS TOO HAVE TO ORDER SOMETHING FOR 10 STICKERS, BUT NO LESS THAN 50.
IS IT, OR OR IS IT COSTLY? THE STICKERS COST OUR DECAL STICKERS IF WE BUY FOR THE BUSINESS LICENSES.
REALLY? WHAT'S EXPENSIVE? THINK THEY'RE UNDER $2,000.
BUT STILL, I MEAN, STICKERS YOU'RE BUYING THOUGH.
MAYBE CAN, DOES ANYBODY HAVE A CRICKET? CAN? YEAH, CAN.
AND CAN I MAKE NO, IT'S NOT 2000 A PIECE NOW.
NO, STILL I WAS LIKE, AND I HAD LIKE 50 AND IT WAS ONLY LIKE 130 BUCKS.
THAT SOUNDS A LOT BETTER THAN 2000.
IF, IF, IF I MAY, IF THE COMMITTEE IS OPEN TO IT, IF GLORIA AND I CAN, CAN DISCUSS THIS WITHOUT TAKING UP ANY MORE ON, ON THIS TOPIC, UH, IF WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND MAYBE COME UP WITH A STICKER DESIGN YEAH.
AND, UH, YOU KNOW, A QUOTE PRICE ON IT, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE CAN MAYBE SEND OUT DISSEMINATE TO BOTH, BOTH, UH, TOWN AND COUNTY? YEAH.
MAYBE FIND OUT ONCE WE DECIDE ON WHO'S GONNA BE PURCHASING AND THEN COLLECTING FUNDS.
I'M GONNA BE HONEST WITH YOU, I WOULD BE TOTALLY OKAY IF YOU SENT IT TO THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND THEY DECIDE IF THEY MM-HMM
LIKE WHAT, YOU KNOW, AS FAR AS THAT GOES AS WELL.
CAN I MAKE, AND THEN I WOULD JUST, WE CAN ADD THIS TO THE JUNE LIST OF THINGS TO BRING TO YOU ALL AND WE CAN MAKE SURE WE CAN SIT DOWN AND HAVE THIS PLAN AND WE'LL BRING IT TO YOU WITH THE OTHER PLANS THAT WE'VE DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND WE CAN WORK ON, IT SOUNDS LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING A JULY LIAISON MEETING, WE NEED TO HAVE A JUNE.
WELL, I'M NOT GONNA LIE TO YOU.
IT, THE JULY ONE HAS BEEN CANCELED THE LAST, THE COUNTY'S CANCELED IT THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
SO MAYBE JUNE IS THE ONE, MAYBE WE DO IT AS A JOINT JUNE, LIKE ALL THE COUNTY, ALL THE TOWN AND WHATEVER SECTION PART OF IT.
ULTIMATELY STILL END UP AT THE TREASURER.
I, I'M, I'M SURE MS. SHANKS WILL BE OKAY, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPANIES.
NOT THE 50, NOT 50 STICKERS, BUT LIKE 50 COMPANIES THAT ARE PAYING FOR, FOR CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY FIVE TOW COMPANIES THAT ARE, THAT ARE ON THE ROTATION.
AND IF YOU AVERAGE FIVE STICKERS PER COMPANY, UH, THE, THE TREASURER 50 BUCKS, THE TREASURER'S OFFICE WOULD, WHICHEVER ONE WOULD COLLECT CURRENTLY 10, I THINK IT'S $10 A STICKER.
UH, WHICH SHOULD TAKE CARE OF IN THE ENTIRE COST OF IF WE BOUGHT 50 STICKERS.
AND WHEN ARE THEY DUE BY? IS IT LIKE JANUARY ONE OR? SO? APPLICATIONS ARE DUE DUE MAY 15TH.
UM, THEY'RE DECIDED UPON YOU ARE ON THE ROTATION, UH, JULY 1ST.
SO JUNE IS IMPORTANT THAT WE'RE THAT'S GOOD.
IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE? I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS THE, YOU KNOW, THE, CONSIDERING THE, AND I'M SPEAKING FOR ALL OF THE, TO COMPANIES, UM, THE COST TO UPGRADE OUR EQUIPMENT.
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UM, THE FUEL NOW HAS GONE CRAZY.YOU KNOW, THAT WAS BASICALLY THE REASON FOR TRYING TO PUT A CAP IN THE AREA.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE GONNA INVEST THE TIME YEAH.
IF THERE'S TOO MANY AND STUFF, WE DON'T HAVE THE FUNDS, YOU KNOW, TO CONTINUE WITH THE CURRENT UPGRADE WITHOUT LIKE GOING OUT OF, YOU KNOW, WORKING FOR OTHER, UH, COUNTIES AS WELL.
IT'S CURRENTLY NOT BEEN A PROBLEM SO FAR THOUGH.
HAVING TOO MANY, HAVING TOO MANY.
WELL, IN, IN OUR PERSPECTIVE, NO.
UH, GENERALLY WHEN WE CALL FOR SOMEONE, WE HAVE, UH, A TOW COMPANY AVAILABLE.
UH, IT'S NOT OFTEN WE, OR RATHER TOO LITTLE HAS NOT BEEN A PROBLEM.
TOO MANY IS, THAT'S NEVER GONNA BE A PROBLEM FOR US.
I, I RESPECT THE, THE POSITION OF THE TOW COMPANIES THAT MORE COMPETITION MEANS LESS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE MONEY.
ESPECIALLY WHEN WE ARE THE ONES, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT DEAL WITH THE ACCIDENTS AND YOU'RE ON A ROTATION PROCESS.
THE MORE COMPANIES THAT ARE THERE, YOU KNOW, NO, IT MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE DAYS BEFORE YOU GET A CALL.
MY FAM I I TOTALLY RESPECT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
'CAUSE I REMEMBER WHEN YOU CAME BEFORE IT MADE SENSE THAT IT WAS LIKE, WELL, WHY GET ON THE LIST? I MEAN, OR WHY SHOULD, YEAH, WHY SHOULD I DO ALL OF THIS IF, IF, IF I'M ONLY GETTING CALLED ONCE EVERY 10 TIMES VERSUS ONCE EVERY FIVE TIMES.
I JUST WONDERING LIKE, WHO DECIDES WHO THAT FIVE IS? 'CAUSE I WOULDN'T, LIKE I WOULDN'T WANNA BE THAT PERSON.
LIKE I, I MEAN I, IF I WERE, I THINK THAT WOULD BE A HARD THING FOR, AND I'M ASSUMING THE BOARD WOULD BE THE ONES TO DECIDE WHO, WHO MAKES IT IN THAT CAP OF FIVE OR SEVEN OR WHATEVER NUMBER YOU PICK.
IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THE BOARD THAT WOULD DECIDE.
AND THREE PEOPLE ON THE BOARD REPRESENT THE TOWING COMPANIES.
I'M, I JUST THINK THAT IT COULD GET, THAT COULD GET A LITTLE SQUIRRELY.
LIKE PEOPLE MIGHT WELL IT IS VERY, YOU KNOW.
UM, SO YOUR LOTS HAVE TO BE APPROVED THROUGH ZONING AS WELL, SO IT'S VERY STRINGENT AS TO YEAH.
WHERE THEY WANT ANY MORE LOTS HERE IN TOWN.
OR I THINK WE JUST APPROVED A LOT RECENTLY THAT HAD A BUNCH OF STIPULATIONS.
SO WAS IT FOR YOU ALL? WAS THAT RECENT? NO.
SOMEBODY IN THE TOWN HAD A TOW LOT.
ARE ALL OF THESE CURRENT COMPANIES AND POTENTIAL COMP, UH, TOW COMPANIES, ARE THEY ALL LOCAL OR THEY ALL HAVE A LOT BECAUSE THEY'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE A LOT IN WARREN COUNTY.
THEY ALL HAVE A BUSINESS BECAUSE THEY'RE ALL REQUIRED TO HAVE A BUSINESS IN WARREN COUNTY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THEY ARE ALL PRIMARILY LOCATED IN WARREN COUNTY.
I WAS THINKING THAT WOULD BE A WAY, THAT'S TOUGH LANGUAGE TO COME UP WITH, I THINK.
BUT THAT WOULD CUT OUT QUITE A BIT OF THE ISSUE WITH CAPPING, RIGHT.
IF YOUR PRIMARY LOCATION OF BUSINESS IS IN WARREN COUNTY, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE.
I, I HATE TO BE THIS AWAY, BUT A FREE MARKET WILL THIN IT.
IF YOU'VE GOT TOO MANY, THE WEAKER ONES WILL FALL OFF.
I'LL HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ELSE.
UH, THAT'S, THAT'S A I HATEFUL WAY TO LOOK AT IT.
BUT OH, AS A BUSINESS OWNER MYSELF BEING SELF-EMPLOYED, I'VE BEEN THROUGH THAT.
AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S TOUGH FOR THOSE THAT DON'T MAKE IT.
BUT THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE ONLY WAY TO FAIRLY DO IT WITHOUT SOMEBODY HAVING TO DECIDE CAPITALISM FOR YOU.
THERE'S TWO COMPANIES, I KIND OF SI THAT AWAY.
NO, I, IT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S A TRICKY PLACE TO BE.
AND IT, AND, AND, AND MY PERSONAL INTEREST IN SERVING THE PEOPLE WHO SERVE US AND RESIDE HERE, THEN SURE.
I, MY FAVOR WOULD GO TO THOSE WHO HAVE THEIR BUSINESSES, UH, EXCLUSIVELY ESTABLISHED HERE.
YOU MAY HAVE A HUB SOMEWHERE ELSE, THAT'S FINE.
BUT IF YOU'RE EXCLUSIVELY ESTABLISHED HERE, I THINK THEY, THEY ARE WORTH SOME CONSIDERATION.
UH, IF YOU HAVE AN EXCLUSIVE BUSINESS ESTABLISHED SOMEWHERE ELSE, BUT YOU HAVE THE MEANS TO SET UP A, A HUB HERE, THAT'S GREAT.
BUT DOES WARREN COUNTY AND FRONT ROYAL WANT TO EXTEND THE SAME OPPORTUNITY TO THAT BUSINESS AS SAY A LOCAL BUSINESS? DO OTHER PLACES DO THAT? DO YOU KNOW, LIKE, LET'S JUST SAY, DOES FREDERICK COUNTY, LIKE, DOES KEENS DO? 'CAUSE YOU'RE WITH KEENS, RIGHT? YES.
DO THEY DO BUSINESS IN OTHER COUNTIES TOO? YES.
AND THAT WAS PART OF THE REASON THAT WE EXPANDED, WAS BECAUSE AGAIN, THERE WASN'T ENOUGH BUSINESS HERE.
ROTATIONS, IMPOUND OR WHATEVER.
SO LIKE I SAY, YOU HAVE TO EXPAND YOUR,
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EXPAND YOUR BUSINESS.I'VE WORKED IN AT LEAST FIVE COUNTIES.
PARDON ME? I'VE WORKED MYSELF IN AT LEAST FIVE COUNTIES.
MY PRIMARY COUNTY IS HERE, OBVIOUSLY, BUT I IT ME TOO, WHEN IT'S SLOW, I, I'VE BEEN EDUCATED.
I HAVE TO FARTHER AND FARTHER I'VE KEEPING UP WORK.
MORE EQUIPMENT, YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? TRYING TO STAY IN BUSINESS.
AND AND WHAT THE EQUIPMENT YOU HAVE IS EXPENSIVE.
WITH THE FUEL PRICES, YOU OH, THE LAST TWO WEEKS JUST, IT, IT'S INCREASED FOUR GRAND GUARANTEE.
IT'S, BUT I'M NOT FEELING ONE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, NO PERFECT ANSWER HERE.
TO HAVE A COMPANY, YOU KNOW, AND JUST THE, THE WHOLE FUEL SITUATION.
BUT THAT'S ONLY A PIECE OF IT.
SO, UH, DRAFT UP SOME LANGUAGE FOR THE BYLAWS THEN, UH, FOR CITIZEN SELECTION.
UM, AND MAYBE, OR NEXT YEAH, WE'LL GET TOGETHER.
UH, DOES THE COMMITTEE, DOES THE COMMITTEE WANT TO SEE ANY LANGUAGE CHANGE AS FAR AS UM, HOW THE TOW COMPANIES THAT REPRESENT THE BOARD ARE APPOINTED? AGAIN, WE'VE HAD THE SAME ONES ON, HASN'T, HASN'T PROVEN TO BE A PROBLEM.
BUT IF THE, THE OTHER TWO TOW COMPANIES THAT REPRESENT THE ROTATION LIST, I DON'T KNOW THAT ANY OF 'EM WANT TO BE ON THE COMMITTEE OR THE BOARD YET.
BUT THE QUESTION IS, IF THEY DO, IF YOU DO THE TERM AND YOU TAKE APPLICATIONS AND EVERY, EVERYONE APPLIES, RIGHT? THEY JUST GET PICKED, YOU KNOW, WHOEVER, WHOEVER SUBMITS ABOUT THAT.
I'VE GOT THIS MUCH EXPERIENCE.
I'VE DID THIS, I DON'T HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, SO YOU, YOU'LL PICK WHOEVER APPOINTS THIS BOARD, I'M ASSUMING IT'S TOWN, COUNTY.
OH, THEY WOULD LOOK THROUGH THE APPLICATIONS OF ALL THAT APPLIED.
AND IF IT'S, YOU GET, YOU GOT THREE SPOTS AND YOU GET FIVE APPLICATIONS, YOU JUST HAVE TO PICK WHAT'S THE BEST THREE.
WELL, WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO PICK THEM.
YEAH, I WAS SAY, SO YOU MIGHT HAVE TO DO INTERVIEW.
WE'VE NEVER HAD TO DO INTERVIEWS FOR THOSE.
WELL THAT, THAT'S THE, THE NEXT QUESTION IS THEN SHOULD WE HAVE, UH, AN APPLICATION DRAFTED UP FOR, UH, BOARD MEMBER CONSIDERATION FOR THE TOW BOARD? THERE MIGHT ALREADY ONE ALREADY.
APPLIC EXISTS FOR ANY BOARD, BUT NOT ON WEBSITE.
SO YOU CAN CURRENTLY APPLY ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
IT IS ALREADY LISTED UNDER CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS.
AND THE JOINT TOW BOARD CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE IS ALREADY ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE.
AND THERE'S AN ONLINE FORM AND IT MAY OR MAY NOT GO TO BROWN.
I DIDN'T KNOW THAT I MISSED THAT.
SO THEY, THEY ALREADY, BUT WE NEED TO RECRUIT SOMEBODY NOW.
RIGHT? WE NEED TO, WE NEED TO PUT SOMETHING ON SOCIAL MEDIA OR ON OUR TELL 'EM ON TV THAT SAYS, WHAT'D YOU SAY? TELL 'EM ON THE CAMERA.
YEAH, WE'RE LOOKING FOR CITIZEN REPRESENTATIVE FOR THE JOINT CHAIRMAN BOARD.
I'LL NOMINATE THE CHAIR IN THE, IN THE MAYOR TO, TO GO OUT AND SOLICIT A COUNTY CITIZEN FOR THIS FOUR.
THAT'S HOW WE ENDED UP WITH EMILY
AND ACTUALLY CHRISTIAN WAS THE, THE PER UH, CHRISTIAN DOWNS WAS RIGHT.
IT'S, THIS IS A VOLUNTEER AND FOUR TIMES A YEAR, TIMES A YEAR.
AS LONG AS THERE'S NO COMPLAINTS.
THAT'S NOT TOO SHOOT SOME, SOMETIMES OUR BZA WILL GO MONTHS WITHOUT EVERY, IT'LL BE A YEAR WITHOUT EVERY MEETING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND SOMEBODY BEING IN YEAH, YEAH, YEAH.
I'M GONNA BRING IT UP THE APRIL.
I'LL BRING IT UP IN MY MARRIAGE REPORT AND YOU BRING IT UP TOO.
'CAUSE SOMETIMES PEOPLE HEAR IT.
AND I ALWAYS SAY, IF YOU'VE EVER WANTED TO GET INVOLVED, THIS IS A, THIS IS A, AN OPPORTUNITY, IT'S A SMALL TIME COMMITMENT, BUT IT GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO SEE IF YOU REALLY WANNA GET ANY MORE INVOLVED.
THE CITIZEN NEEDS TO BE A RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY, AND YOU, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE THREE OPENINGS IN AUGUST.
I BET THERE HAD BEEN SOMEBODY ON THERE THAT WANTED TO.
THEY'RE ALL AT THE SAME TIME I THINK.
NO, THEY'RE ALL, I THINK IT'S ALL AT ONE TIME.
AND IT'S LIKE A SLATE THAT COMES TO US.
SO DO WE THAT WORKS A LITTLE BIT.
HAVE TO DO 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME.
DO WE NEED, IS THAT JUST, WOULD THAT BE FOR YOUR POSITION OR ARE YOU ASSIGNED THAT YOUR BOSS TOLD YOU YOU SHALL WELL, I, I
I KIND OF HOLD MY BREATH WHEN I SAY THIS, BUT, UH, IT'S PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT THE BOARD IS COMPRISED OF AUTOMATICALLY
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THE SHERIFF, WHOEVER THE SHERIFF IS RIGHT, IS SITTING AT THE TIME.THE CHIEF OF POLICE, WHOEVER THE CHIEF OF POLICE IS.
SO THE SHERIFF AND THE CHIEF WILL SAY WHO THEY WANT AND THEN FOUR.
AND I'M ASSUMING STATE POLICE THE SAME THING.
WE SHOULD JUST BE VOTING THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS.
THE UH, SO WE GOT THREE PEOPLE TO GET NO, FOUR, THE SECRETARY.
WELL, YOU'VE GOT A VICE CHAIR.
THREE S3 THREE TOWING COMPANIES AND THEN TWO CI, NO, THREE TOWING COMPANIES.
EVERYBODY ELSE, EVERY STATE POLICE, EVERYBODY STAYS THE SAME.
IT'S AN APPOINTED INTERNAL POSITION.
WHETHER, SO THE VICE CHAIR'S NOT IN ADDITION.
THAT'S JUST ONE OF THE SO WE JUST NEED TO FIND A CITIZEN.
THOSE, THOSE POSITIONS ARE DECIDED UPON BY THE TOW BOARD THERE.
THINK WHAT POSITION? YOU GUYS HAVE A SHERIFF'S ACADEMY TOO, RIGHT? UM, WE HAVE A CITIZEN'S ACADEMY COMING UP.
I THINK, I DON'T REMEMBER THE DATES.
THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO ADVERTISE.
WE JUST OUR TOWN CITIZEN ACADEMY LAST NIGHT.
AND I, I WAS JUST SAYING WE HAD SOME REALLY ENGAGED PEOPLE.
REPEAT THE, THAT WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO PRESENT THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY DURING YOUR CLASS.
MAYBE PICK SOME APPLICANTS UP THERE.
BOY, YOU MIGHT, I'LL DO SOME FISHING
BUT YOU KNOW, THE MAYOR AND THE, AND THE CHAIR GET TO DELEGATE BACK.
WHEN, WHEN DO THEY MEET YOU? YOU GOTTA HELP ME OUT HERE SOME.
WELL, SO NEXT C MEETING I CAN ASK AROUND IF YOU'RE SHORT FOR THE NEXT COMMITTEE MEETING FOR YOU ALL IS IN SOUNDS LIKE JUNE, SOMETIME.
BUT WE, BUT WE ACTUALLY, UH, WE TAKE ACTION ON THEM SEPARATELY.
AND I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE PROBABLY SHOULD VOTE ON THEM JULY, BUT YOU CAN'T BE ANY LATER THAN AUGUST.
SO IN ORDER FOR THEM TO START IN SEPTEMBER, WE BETTER HAVE TO, IT'LL, IT'LL HAVE TO GO TO BOTH BOARDS.
WE DON'T VOTE OR MAKE, WE GIVE DIRECTIONS DURING THESE OR THAT KIND OF THING DURING MAY, BUT WE DON'T VOTE.
SO IF WE BRING, IF WE HAVE ALL OF THIS BROUGHT TO THIS COMMITTEE IN JUNE, WOULD THAT BE SOMETHING YOU GUYS WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO TAKE BACK FOR THE JULY FOR, FOR THE PERSPECTIVE? THAT SOUNDS REASONABLE.
OR EVEN BEFORE, IF YOU GUYS HAVE IT WORKED OUT.
'CAUSE WE CAN READY IT TO A WORK SESSION.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BRING IT TO THIS.
YOU COULD JUST SUBMIT IT TO THE, YEAH.
AND THEN WE'LL JUST TAKE IT TO A WORK SESSION AND ASK IF ANYBODY HAS ANY QUESTIONS.
WELL, I THINK FOR THE TIME BEING WITHOUT AN APPLICATION PROCESS FOR BEING PART OF THE TOW BOARD, WE MAY JUST, UH, REACH OUT TO EVERYONE WHO'S CURRENTLY ON THE BOARD AND MAYBE EVEN ON OUR ROTATION IF THEY'RE INTERESTED IN CONTINUING OR IF THEY HAVE SOMEONE WITHIN THEIR BUSINESS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SOME WHO HAVE BEEN ON THE BOARD A LONG TIME, BUT ARE GETTING UP THERE IN AGE.
MAYBE ANOTHER REPRESENTATIVE FROM THEIR COMPANY MIGHT WANNA BE THE BOARD MEMBER AS OPPOSED TO THEIR THEIRSELVES.
BUT THAT, I THINK THATS, I THINK SPANKY'S, ALAN CRAWFORD.
IT'S LIKE THE TOPIC OF DISCUSSION TONIGHT.
THERE AGAIN ON THE, ON THE APPLICATIONS.
DO WHAT DO FOR THE RENEWAL OF THE TOW COMPANIES, ARE YOU, WHAT DO YOU NEED US TO DO? DO OUR RESUME UP AGAIN OR JUST SAY WE'RE ALREADY THERE.
YOU ALL THE BOARD DECIDES WHO'S THE TOWING COMPANIES THAT ARE IN THE ROTATION.
THAT IS YOUR ALL'S ROLE, CORRECT? YES.
BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CURRENT APPLICATION TO BE OH.
IT'S JUST, UH, AND AGAIN, 2018, I THINK IT'S BECAUSE WE HAD THREE PRIMARY COMPANIES.
SO THAT WAS JUST YOU THREE OR SOMETHING.
WELL, HE SAID THERE IS THE APPLICATION.
I THINK IF YOU, YEAH, I MEAN I THINK RIGHT NOW THE, THE COUNTY WEBSITE SAYS CITIZEN APPOINTMENT BECAUSE THAT'S THE VACANCY.
I SAY WE, SORRY, UH, COUNTY CAN UPDATE THAT TO SAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THESE TERMS ARE ENDING, UH, APPLICATIONS ARE OPEN FOR THE UPCOMING TERMS. SO THEN THEY WOULD JUST GO ON AND FILL THAT FORM OUT.
SO IF THERE ARE MULTIPLE TOW COMPANIES THAT WANNA APPLY FOR THOSE UPCOMING POSITIONS, THEY CAN DO SO AND THEN WE CAN SHARE THOSE WITH THE GROUP USING THAT SAME IT'S AN ONLINE FORM.
IT THE SAME, IT'S THE SAME FORM USED FOR ANY CITIZEN APPOINTMENT FOR THE COUNTY.
AND WOULD THE TOWING COMPANY, THAT WOULD STILL BE CONSIDERED A CITIZEN APPOINTMENT? OR IS IT GONNA LOOK DIFFERENT ON APPLICATIONS? IT'S ONLY, IT SHOULD, I COULD GO THROUGH THE FORM, BUT AGAIN, THEY USE THE SAME FORM FOR ANY APPLICATION.
IT COULD BE YOU FEEL ONLINE THAT SAYS WHAT IBZA, ALL OF THOSE.
IT PROBABLY HAS A CHART ON THERE.
LIKE CHECK WHICH, WHICH COMMITTEE YOU WANNA BE ON.
I HAD TO FILL THE SAME FORM OUT FOR MY EARLY APPOINTMENT FOR THE SUPERVISOR.
IT WAS JUST LITERALLY THE SAME FORM.
I THINK IT'S A LINE OR SOMETHING YOU FILL IN.
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AND NEXTI WAS LIKE, DIDN'T Y'ALL HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANTED? WE KEEP TALKING ABOUT IT.
WELL, EVERY, EVERYTHING ARE ALL, THEY'RE BEEN GOOD.
THEY'RE WELL, THEY'RE ALL, THEY'RE ALL JOINT THINGS WE GOTTA TALK ABOUT.
BUT I FEEL BAD 'CAUSE IT KEEPS SAYING TOWN DOWNTOWN TOO.
WELL NO, BUT IT'S, I DON'T WANNA BE WIND, UM,
[6. Reassessment Process for 2027 – Town ]
THE REASSESSMENT PROCESS AND THAT'S WHY SHERRY'S HERE.WE, UM, THAT WAS, 'CAUSE WE KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE NEXT YEAR.
YOU, YOU CAME TO THE OCTOBER LIAISON MEETING, RIGHT? I MAY HAVE.
I KNOW YOU DIDN'T COME TO THE JANUARY ONE 'CAUSE THAT WAS AT THE TOWN HALL, BUT YOU CAME TO THE OCTOBER ONE WHEN THE OTHER PEOPLE WERE WITH US.
UM, I, I THINK, I THINK THE QUESTION WAS, WE JUST WANTED TO GET A HEADS UP AND THAT'S ALL REALLY GENERALLY WHAT HAPPENS SINCE THIS IS EFFECTIVE DATE OF JANUARY 1ST, 2027.
WHAT HAPPENS IS HE'S ALREADY DONE THE REASSESSMENT COST MODELING AND RATIO STUDY.
HE'S ALSO DONE THE SALES AUDITING FOR THE 27 REASSESSMENT THAT SOME OF THE BACKGROUND WORK THAT HE DOES PRELIMINARY.
SO HE STILL HAS TO GO AND SET THE RAIDS AND DO ALL THAT STUFF IN THE SOFTWARE.
AND HE HAS ALSO WORKED SOME BUILDING PERMITS PRELIMINARY UP THROUGH THIS POINT BECAUSE THOSE HAVE TO HAVE SITE VISITS.
AND UM, THIS IS A DESK REVIEW.
SO THE EXISTING HOUSES PROPERTIES WILL NOT BE VISITED.
THE LAW REQUIRES A VISIT AT LEAST EVERY FOUR YEARS.
SO THIS IS KIND OF LIKE A DOWNGRADED REASSESSMENT.
I HOPE
NOW, BECAUSE THERE AGAIN, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH ROPE AT WALMART.
NOW WHAT HAPPENS IS, UM, HE IS SUPPOSED TO HAVE THE NOTICES READY TO BE MAILED IN THE FALL.
ONCE THE NOTICES GO OUT, HE HOLDS A TWO WEEK HEARING.
THEY, THEY HAVE TO CONTACT HIM, SET OF APPOINTMENTS, APPEAL TO HIM.
AND THAT'S THAT LAST TWO WEEKS.
THAT'S ALL THEY ALLOW IS TWO WEEKS.
ONCE THAT'S COMPLETED, THEN HE KEYS IN ANY CHANGES, FINALIZES, EVERYTHING, THEN THE FILES GETS TURNED OVER TO ME.
HE HAS TO TURN 'EM OVER BY LAW BY THE END OF DECEMBER 20, 26.
AND THEN ONCE WE GET THE FILES THAT WE GOTTA GO IN AND DO OUR CHANGES, WE ALWAYS DO, AS THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE HAVE TO, LIKE, IF YOU COMBINE A LOT, THAT DOESN'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL JANUARY 1ST.
LIKE IF YOU DO COMBINE A LOT IN 25 FOR JANUARY 1ST, 26 BOOKS, IT'S GONNA BE COMBINED.
IF YOU SUBDIVIDE THOSE LOTS ARE GONNA BE SPLIT.
IT'S GONNA BE EFFECTIVE IN 26.
SO WE HAVE LAND USE, WE HAVE TAX RELIEF AS TO BE KEY.
AND THAT'S WHAT MY STAFF IS CONSTANTLY DOING.
RIGHT NOW WE ARE WORKING ON DOING THE FINAL DATA ENTRY FOR THE 26TH TEXTBOOKS.
SO, SO WHATEVER THE TOWN GETS FROM YOU FOR US TO DO OUR BILLS, UM, WE'LL, IF HE HAS TO HAVE IT TO YOU BY DECEMBER, 2026, THEN WE, WE WOULD EXPECT TO GET THAT INFORMATION FROM YOU.
LIKE APRIL, MAY, MARCH, APRIL, UM, PROBABLY ABOUT MARCH.
AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S, UH, BJ THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH TIME FOR US.
UH, RATES ARE USUALLY SET IN APRIL.
AND THEN SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS, WE HAVE THE BOE THEN IN JANUARY OF 27,
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YOU ALL HAVE TO BE THINKING ABOUT THE BOARD MEMBERS OF WHO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE FOR YOUR BOE SELECTION.THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S COUNTY.
THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE THE COUNTY.
BUT YOU STILL GOTTA BE THINKING THAT BOARD BECAUSE IT'S JUST AROUND THE CORNER AT LEAST THREE THREE YOU HAVE TO AND AT LEAST THREE AND A BACKUP.
AN ALTERNATE ALTERNATE WITH THEM.
AND YOU WANT THOSE BY JANUARY.
I'D, I'D LIKE TO HAVE 'EM BY JANUARY THE 27TH.
IT WHAT YOU SAID, THE TWO WEEK PERIOD FOR HIM IS GONNA BE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY.
IT COULD BE IN NOVEMBER DEPENDING ON WHEN HE GETS HIS NOTICES DONE AND BAIL OUT.
THAT HAS TO BE DONE TOO BY DECEMBER 31ST, 31ST.
IF YOU, THE APPEALS HE'S GONNA USE, HAVE THEM IN LINE EARLY.
YOU WOULDN'T WANNA WAIT UNTIL THE LAST MINUTE.
SO IF WE COULD DO A VOE IN NOVEMBER OR DECEMBER, YOU COULD HAVE 'EM EARLY OR KNOW WHO THEY WERE EARLY COULDN'T YES.
YOU COULD KNOW WHO THEY WERE EARLY.
THERE IS TRAINING THAT HAS TO BE SET UP WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION.
UM, HE HAS TO HAVE THE NAME OF THE PEOPLE, WHOEVER DECIDES TO DO IT, AND THEIR EMAIL ADDRESSES.
UNLESS THEY HAVE A, WE'VE HAD A, A COMBINED A COMBINATION TRAINING OVER HERE ONLINE BEFORE HE KIND OF LIKES TO SEE THE PEOPLE TALK TO 'EM.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO RESTRICTION ON HAVING 'EM TOO EARLY.
SO I GUESS IS IS WHAT I SHOULD HAVE.
UM, IT'S REQUIRED TRAINING I THINK EVERY COUPLE YEARS.
WELL I, IF I HAD TO DO DO IT, I'D DEFINITELY WANT SOME KIND OF YEAH.
BUT IT'S LIKE A DAY LIKE NINE TO 12.
SO THE PEOPLE THAT DID IT THIS PAST YEAR, GOD BLESS THEM.
IF IF WE, IF WE CAN BEG THEM TO DO IT AGAIN THIS YEAR, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE TO DO THE TRAINING BECAUSE THEY JUST HAD IT.
WELL WE HAD ONE OF THEM THAT COME BACK FROM THE LAST REASSESSMENT AND THEY REALLY DIDN'T HAVE TO.
BUT THE DEPARTMENT OF TAXATION WANTED THEM TO, I THINK IT'D BE BETTER FOR A RETRAINING.
I MEAN, SOMETIMES YOU HAVE NEW LAWS THAT COME OUT.
AND, AND THEY'LL TALK ABOUT THAT.
YOU SHOULD YEAH, NO, I, I CAN SEE THE BENEFIT, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S HARD ENOUGH TO GET PEOPLE TO DO THIS IF THEY, YOU KNOW, IF THAT WAS A LITTLE INCENTIVE, WELL, YOU JUST FINISHED IT.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO AT LEAST DO THAT PART.
BUT IF, AND IT'S GOOD THAT THEY HAVE SOME KIND OF, OF A REAL ESTATE MM-HMM
ASSESSMENT BACKGROUND BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE MARKET.
AND IT MAKES IT EASIER TO EXPLAIN TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS REAL ESTATE AGENT WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
THEY, THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO IT.
I DIDN'T KNOW IT COULD BE A CONFLICT BECAUSE THEY SELL PROPERTY TOO.
NO, WE HAD LIKE THREE THREE OF 'EM, I THINK IT WAS.
UM, I HAVE, AND THEN ANOTHER THING WE HAVE TROUBLE WITH IS GETTING A SECRETARY TO SIT IN THESE MEETINGS AND TAKE NOTES AND SO FORTH.
IS THAT A VOLUNTEER POSITION? A VOLUNTEER? NO, I THINK THAT WAS A PART-TIME POSITION.
A PART-TIME POSITION WITH AI NOW AND BEING ABLE TO SET THE PHONE THERE.
AND I DON'T, WELL, WE HAD A LITTLE EXPERIENCE WITH THAT THIS PAST YEAR.
UM, SOME OF THE MEMBERS OF THE BME DECIDED THEY WAS GONNA DO RECORDINGS AND THAT, THAT WASN'T VERY GOOD.
UH, I, I HAVE ONE CONSTITUENT WHO WAS NOT PLEASED WITH THE RECORDING.
UM, IS THAT SOMETHING, IF IT'S ONLY ONCE EVERY TWO YEARS AND IT'S JUST FOR A SHORT TERM, IS THAT SOMETHING YOU COULD HIRE THROUGH A TEMP AGENCY? SO YEAH.
FOR A SECRETARY, I GUESS WE COULD, YEAH, I HAVE, I HAD, BECAUSE THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A SKILLSET SET.
YOU DEFINITELY WOULDN'T WANT ME TO BE YOUR SECRETARY.
I, I CAN TELL YOU I MESSED THAT UP SOMEHOW.
I'M TELLING YOU THAT THAT'S NOT IN MY WHEELHOUSE.
SO I KNOW WE MOVED FROM FOUR YEARS TO TWO YEARS TO KEEP UP ON, UM, PROPERTY VALUES COMMERCIAL, THE, THE COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL YES.
HAS THAT BEEN BENEFICIAL TO CONTINUE AT A TWO YEAR VERSUS
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A FOUR YEAR? IT DROPPED 10% THE LAST TIME.IN OTHER WORDS, WHEN WE HAD THE REASSESSMENT IN 23, 20 FOURS DROPPED 10%.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT IT THAT WAY, I WOULD EXPECT AT LEAST A 10% DROP EACH TIME.
BUT IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MARKET DOES.
IF IT GOES BELOW 70, YOU LOSE SCHOOL FUNDING IS BASED ON THIS RATIO.
SO YOU EACH YEAR AVERAGE 10% A YEAR.
SO AT FOUR YEARS YOU'D BE AT 60%.
WELL, I, I JUST WANT THE PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND WHY WE WENT TO, TO THE TWO YEARS.
BECAUSE IT IS, IT, IT HAS BEEN THE, THE FIRST YEAR WE DID IT, WE CAME OUT OF THAT COVID WHERE EVERYTHING, CAR PRICES, EVERYTHING, UH, WERE, WERE OUT OF THIS WORLD.
AND IT WAS SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, TO KEEP THAT DROP TO A MINIMUM ON, ON THOSE, UM, THINGS THAT ARE REASSESSED AND TO, BECAUSE THAT REASSESSMENT WAS SO HIGH THAT BY DOING IT IN TWO YEARS, YOU WEREN'T IN THAT HIGH BRACKET FOR FOUR YEARS.
BUT THAT PART DIDN'T PAN OUT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MARK, IT DIDN'T DROP, IT DIDN'T DROP.
SO I FEEL LIKE WE'RE PUTTING SUCH A BURDEN, BUT IF WE LOSE THE FUNDING DOWN FOR WHAT WE GET FOR SCHOOLS, THEN WE'VE GOTTA MAKE THAT UP IN THE LOCAL LEVEL TOO.
SO IT'S, YOU'RE DARNED IF YOU DO AND YOU'RE DARNED IF YOU DON'T.
IN MY OFFICE WITH THE CURRENT THREE STAFF THAT I HAVE IN REAL ESTATE, WE CAN'T KEEP UP WITH THE TWO YEAR PROCESS VERSUS THE FOUR.
THAT'S WHAT I, WHEN YOU ASKED THAT, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU DON'T WORK FOR, WELL YOU WORK FOR THE CITIZENS.
YOU DON'T EVEN WORK FOR, I'M JUST SAYING YOU DON'T WORK FOR THE COUNTY, YOU WORK FOR THE CITIZENS, RIGHT.
UM, BUT I, I WAS ACTUALLY, WHEN YOU ASKED THAT, I WAS THINKING LIKE IF YOU, IF YOU COULD WAVE A MAGIC WAND, WOULD YOU PREFER IT BE EVERY FOUR YEARS? IT WAS EASIER FOR MY STAFF TO KEEP UP WITH FOUR YEARS.
BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT THE SCHOOL FUNDING AND YOU LOOK AT THE PUBLIC SERVICES.
AND IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR FOR THE LOAD TO BE SHIFTED ONTO THE RESIDENTIAL PEOPLE.
AND THE OTHER ONES KIND OF FLOAT DOWN.
IT DOESN'T MAKE, MAKE HAPPENS.
IT WAS JUST SO UNFAIR THAT COMMERCIAL RES OR COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL WILL DEPRECIATE.
BUT YOUR HOUSE DOESN'T, SO YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA REASSESS THEM.
OH, SOMETHING ELSE I HAD MENTIONED, I JUST, YOU KNOW, HAS REALLY NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS MEETING.
BUT, UH, I HAD MENTIONED LOOKING AT THE COSTING OF WHAT THIS THIRD PARTY REASSESSMENT COST.
UH, 'CAUSE I KNOW SOME OF THE OTHER COUNTIES, UH, HIRED FULL-TIME STAFF TO DO.
AND THEY JUST PUT COMMERCIAL, INDUSTRIAL AND RESIDENTIAL OR TWO YEAR STAGGER.
SO THEY WOULD SPREAD THE WORKLOAD OUT.
AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THEY'D STAY PRETTY BUSY ANYWAY.
BUT THEN THEY MIGHT ALSO, WE GIVE YOU SOME OFFSET HELP.
'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'D BE IN YOUR DEPARTMENT.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT WAS A PRETTY HEFTY BILL.
AND THEN, UH, WELL, AND I THINK WE DID ASK TO LOOK AT WHAT IT WOULD COST TO DO IT IN-HOUSE VERSUS HIRING A CONTRACTOR.
WHAT, WHAT WAS THAT? UH, 400,000.
THE, THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY DONE IT WITH THREE, NO, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT MONEY.
NO, HE'S TALKING WITH THREE PEOPLE.
WE HAVE THREE RIGHT NOW IN THE OFFICE.
BUT I MEAN, THREE, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE COMPANY.
THE COMPANY ONLY HAD THREE PEOPLE.
THE COMPANY ONLY HAD THREE PEOPLE.
SO WOULD TWO OR THREE FULL-TIME HIRES COVER WHAT THOSE THREE PEOPLE DID? I'M NOT SURE THAT ALL THAT'D HAVE TO BE STUDIED AND EVALUATED AND INPUT.
YOU HAVE THE DATA ENTRY TO DEAL WITH.
BUT NOW THE LARGER COMPANIES, 'CAUSE SEE A COUPLE OF THE SMALLER COMPANIES HAVE BEEN BOUGHT OUT.
SO THERE'S FEW SELECTIONS OUT THERE NOW FOR THESE MASS APPRAISALS.
THAT'S WHY LIKE PEOPLE LIKE FAKI COUNTY, THEY'VE GONE IN HOUSE.
THEY KIND OF STARTED A COUPLE YEARS AND THEY STARTED ADDING THEIR PEOPLE IN THEIR STAFF AND NOW THEY'VE, THEY'VE ROLLED OVER TO FULL.
WELL THE, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS INDICATED TO ME IS, IS IF, UH, I THINK A LOT OF THIS STUFF, THESE THIRD PARTY COMPANIES DEPEND A LOT ON GIS MAPS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
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ACRES OF PRISTINE PROPERTY THAT'S VERY VALUABLE.AND YOU CAN HAVE A 20, ESPECIALLY IN OUR TOPOGRAPHY, YOU CAN HAVE A 20 ACRE LOT AND A QUARTER ACRE OF IT ONLY BE REALLY WORTH ANYTHING.
AND, UM, YOU GET IT AS, YOU KNOW, THE ASSESSORS COME THROUGH, MAYBE THEY DON'T CATCH IT, OR MAYBE THEY DON'T GIVE YOU ENOUGH ALLOWANCE FOR YOUR TOPOGRAPHY OR WHAT COULD BE WRONG WITH YOUR LOT.
SO YOU HAVE TO COME INTO THE BOARD AND YOU'LL PROBABLY WIN, YOU KNOW, IF YOU'VE HAD PREVIOUS THING, WELL, EVERY TWO OR FOUR YEARS, IF YOU GET A NEW GROUP, YOU, YOU'VE GOTTA COME BACK TO THAT BOARD AS EQUALIZATION.
BUT IF YOU DID IT IN-HOUSE, OH, THOSE PEOPLE WOULD KNOW THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'VE BEEN TO THAT PROPERTY.
AND THEN WHEN THEY COME BACK FOR, OH YEAH, I REMEMBER THIS.
AND THEN THEY WOULD HAVE ALL THOSE NOTES, YOU KNOW, HEY, WE REDUCED IT TO THIS BECAUSE OF THIS.
AND THEN, UH, THEY CAN AUTOMATICALLY TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION.
AND IT MAY BE A, A LESS HATEFUL PROCESS FOR THOSE PEOPLE THAT NEED TO COME IN FOR REDUCTIONS BECAUSE OF THEIR WEIRD BOT OR CIRCUMSTANCE.
AND THAT, THAT HAS BEEN, I'VE, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF FRUSTRATION OVER THAT, THAT WHY DO I HAVE TO GO IN EVERY TIME AND TELL 'EM THE SAME THING? IS THERE THEY'RE TYPING STUFF IN? WHAT DO THEY DO? ERASE IT AT THE END IS WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING.
AND I DID ASK YOU, WE HAVE NOTES IN OUR RECORDS.
IT'S LIKE THEY JUST BYPASSED IT.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S FRUSTRATING.
THE DOWNSIDE IS IF WE DO IT OURSELVES, INSTEAD OF US BEING ABLE TO BLAME THE THIRD PARTY COMPANY, IT'LL BE OUR OWN FAULT.
BUT YOU SEE, BACK IN 2007, SEE WE HAD A BIG INCREASE BACK THEN, AND IT STARTED DROPPING IN 2007.
THIS TIME, THE ONLY TIME IN HISTORY THAT REAL ESTATE WENT DOWN WAS THAT EIGHT 10 MARKET.
BUT IT DIDN'T DO IT THIS TIME.
AND THEY, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
WELL, AND SOME SAID IT'S BECAUSE NOT UH, JUST OUR PROXIMITY TO DC BUT THE FACT THAT 66 IS IN OUR COUNTY.
WHICH TO DC OR PART OF THAT VIRGINIA, WE'RE A SUBURB OF WASHINGTON DC BASIS.
WHICH IS WHY, YOU KNOW, YOU HEAR THE COMPARISON OF FREDERICK COUNTY VERSUS HERE.
THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED IN THAT RIGHT NEXT DOOR, BUT THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED IN THE SAME GROUPING OF THAT.
ACTUALLY, I'VE ASKED A COUPLE REAL ESTATE PEOPLE, I WON'T MENTION THEIR NAMES YET TO DO ME A LITTLE PRIVATE STUDY.
I WANT TO SAME SIZE HOUSE ON ABOUT THE SAME LOT, UH, AND WHAT IT APPRAISES FOR AND THEN WHAT THEY ACTUALLY COLLECT IN TAXES AND WHAT THE REAL SALE VALUE IS.
UM, A COUPLE OF REAL ESTATE AGENTS, EVEN THOUGH EVERYBODY WAS MAD OVER THE ASSESSMENT, SAYS THAT THAT IS ASSESSMENT IS AS CLOSE TO THE REAL SALE PRICE AS IT'S EVER BEEN.
ALL I'VE BEEN TOLD THEY HAVE BY TWO DIFFERENT REAL ESTATE.
AND THEY'VE ALSO INDICATED TO ME BECAUSE OF JUST WHAT YOU SAID, THAT THE SAME PROPERTY IN WARREN COUNTY WILL APPRAISE HIGHER THAN THE WONDER IN FREDERICK COUNTY 'CAUSE OF OUR PROXIMITY TO WASHINGTON DC AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ASSUME IT'S THE OTHER WAY AROUND AND IT'S NOT.
SO BASICALLY WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE IS WE SHOULD, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THE BOOKS BY MARCH, WHICH WILL BE ENOUGH TIME TO GET OUR, TO UNDERSTAND OUR BUDGET AND WHAT THE IMPACT IS TO OUR BUDGET AND STUFF.
WE USUALLY BROUGHT 'EM IN IN APRIL.
WE GOT ONCE WE, THEY SET THE RATES AND YOU ALL ARE, ARE ALWAYS AHEAD SETTING THE RATES.
I DON'T KNOW HOW WE, SO WE HAVE TO KIND OF DO IT TOGETHER BECAUSE I CAN'T RUN YOUR TOWN BOOK AND THE VALUE BE DIFFERENT THAN OUR TOWN BOOK.
SO YOU SAID BY MARCH, BUT THEN YOU JUST SAID APRIL.
SO IS IT DUE MARCH IS WHEN WE WILL HAVE SOME OF THE DATA.
IN THAT WE HAVE TO PUT IN OKAY.
SO WE WON'T GET THE BOOKS UNTIL MARCH.
AND THAT, THAT'S WHY I ALWAYS WANT THESE TAX RATES BY THE 20TH BECAUSE IT TAKES, IT TAKES TIME BECAUSE THE TREASURER, USE TREASURER USES A THIRD PARTY VENDOR AS SHE HAS CHANGED VENDORS.
AND THIS OTHER ONE SEEMS TO BE DOING, YOU KNOW, A LITTLE BETTER JOB, AN EASIER JOB BECAUSE SHE HAS TO SEND THEM FILES AND 'CAUSE YOU CAN'T JUST PRINT WHAT THAT, WHAT THAT BILL IS FROM THE FILE THAT SHE GETS FROM US.
SHE HAS TO PUT THE DELINQUENT BILLS, DELINQUENT AMOUNTS ON THAT.
SO, AND IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, SAME THING.
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NOT REALLY EASY.AND THE THING IS, IF YOU'RE NOT GETTING UNTIL APRIL, 'CAUSE THAT'S REALLY WHAT HAPPENED TO US LAST YEAR IS WE THOUGHT, WE THOUGHT IT WAS GONNA BE MORE SO WE BASED OUR BUDGET THINKING WE WERE GONNA HAVE THIS REVENUE AND THEN IT DIDN'T TURN OUT THAT WAY.
'CAUSE WITH THE REASSESSMENTS AND NOT GETTING THE BOOKS SOONER.
BUT I THINK TO MYSELF, BUT YOU REALLY CAN'T, WE HAVE TO, WE HAVE TO APPROVE OUR BUDGET BY MAY SOMETHING.
SO IT'S LIKE IT'S REALLY ALL HAPPENING RIGHT THERE TOGETHER.
AND THERE'S NO WAY, BECAUSE THE FISCAL YEAR BEGINS JULY ONE.
IT'S NOT LIKE WE COULD SAY, OKAY, IF WE'RE NOT GETTING 'EM UNTIL APRIL, WE WON'T DO ANYTHING.
AND ALTHOUGH Y'ALL USUALLY DON'T PROVE YOURS UNTIL JUNE.
WELL WE MAKES US, WE WAITED TILL JUNE, UM, SEVERAL TIMES SIMPLY BECAUSE IF THE STATE'S BUDGET'S NOT DONE, IT MAKES IT DIFFICULT BECAUSE THEY HAVE HIT US WITH UNFUNDED MANDATES AFTER WE PASSED A BUDGET AND THEN WE HAD TO FIGURE OUT POINT IN PLACE.
UM, A COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY BACK WHEN I FIRST GOT ON THE BOARD, WE HAD OUR BUDGET DONE AND THEN THEY SAID, OH, YOU'VE GOTTA HIRE ANOTHER COMMONWEALTH ATTORNEY.
AND IT WAS UNFUNDED BY THE STATE.
WE HAD TO FIND THAT MONEY AND YOU KNOW, SO, AND THE WORD ON THE STREET IS THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE THE BUDGET EVEN NEXT WEEK
THE STATE'S SUPPOSED TO BE NEXT WEEK AND THEY'RE SAYING PROBABLY WON'T BE PAST THEN I'M LIKE, BUT THEN YOU GET THE PROBLEM OF SCHOOLS WANNA KNOW WHAT THEY'RE GETTING SO THEY CAN GET THEIR CONTRACTS OUT BY MAY.
PENNY'S INDICATED IN YEARS PAST THEY'VE APPROVED JUST THE SCHOOL PART OF THE BUDGET.
JUST SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD AND THEN YEP.
WALK YOU AND FIGHT OVER THE REST TAPE.
NO, THERE, WELL, DR. MARTIN WOULD TELL YOU THERE IS A, THERE'S A CUTOFF DATE WHERE YOU HAVE TO GET YOUR CONTRACT BY.
AND IF YOU DON'T THEN YOU CAN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.
AND THE LONGER THE TEACHERS WAIT TO GET THEIR CONTRACT, THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THAT SHIFTING GOES ON.
'CAUSE ALL OF A SUDDEN THIS PLACE HAS AN OPENING AND THIS PLACE HAS AN OPENING.
REALLY IT ALL FALLS BACK TO THE STATE THOUGH.
AND YOU'RE, I MEAN, NOT, NOT TO, YOU KNOW, THE, THE TRUTH IS THEY SHOULD BE REQUIRED TO HAVE THEIR BUDGET.
BEFORE THEY LEAVE THERE IN MARCH, NO MATTER WHAT KEEPS DRAGGING OUT.
THEY REQUIRED OF US, BUT THEY DON'T REQUIRE IT OF THEMSELVES KEEPS DRAGGING OUT FOR LONGER AND LONGER.
THE LAST ITEM, I'M GONNA LET MR. BETTY SPEAK TO THAT.
CAN I SAY ONE MORE THING FIRST? OH, ABSOLUTELY.
UM, WHEN WE LOOK FOR ANOTHER VENDOR CONTRACTOR, WE'RE LOOKING AT 1 MILLION UP FOR WHAT KIND OF CONTRACT? 1 MILLION FOR ANOTHER REASSESSMENT.
YOU THINK IT'LL BE A MILLION BECAUSE THEY'RE CONSOLIDATING AND GETTING MORE OF A MONOPOLY THEN I HATE, I'M NOT Y'ALL, BUT I AM A TAXPAYER IN THE COUNTY.
BUT IT IS, BUT IT WILL BECOME A MONOPOLY.
IF IT'S ONLY CERTAIN COMPANIES DOING IT, THEY, THEY'LL CHARGE.
AND NO WONDER PLACES LIKE FA HERE GOING, I THINK PROBABLY TO HIRE RETIRED TEACHERS.
THEY ABLE TO HANDLE THE ADULTS.
I YOUNG GUY THAT WAS PART OF THE REASSESSMENT.
LIKE HE WAS GOING AROUND SOME PLACES.
[7. Septic Tank Waste Fee Update – Town ]
UPDATE ON UM, EV THE PAST FEW YEARS WE'VE BEEN, BASED ON OUR CONSULTANTS, WE'VE BEEN UPDATING OUR WATER AND SEWER RATES ON A SLIDING SCALE.AND SO THIS IS JUST A KIND OF UPDATE THAT THE COUNCIL HAS PUT FORTH THE ORDINANCE AMENDMENT TO UP OUR SEWER RATES 2.25%.
SO FOR THOSE WHO TAKE THE SEPTIC CALL TO THE, UM, FOR THE COUNTY SEPTIC AT THE SEPTIC RECEIVING, IT'LL BE GOING FROM $29 AND 28 CENTS PER THOUSAND TO $29 AND 94 CENTS PER THOUSAND THIS YEAR.
I DO HAVE A CONCERN THAT I GOT FROM A HAULER.
NOT BECAUSE OF THE RATE, BUT HE HAD INDICATED TO ME AT SOME TIME AT SOME POINT, BECAUSE IT'S BY THE THOUSAND, IF HE BRINGS IN A 2,500 GALLON TRUCK, HE'S PAYING FOR 3000.
WOULD IT BE FAIR TO DO IT IN 500 GALLON INCREMENTS? 'CAUSE SOME OF THESE TRUCKS ARE NOT 1000, 2000, 3000, SOME OF 'EM ARE 2000, SOME ARE 25, SOME ARE THREE AND SOME ARE 35.
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AND UH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS IF OH, IT'S FRUSTRATING FOR THEM IF THEY DON'T HAVE QUITE A FULL TRUCK AND IT, YOU KNOW, JUST THE WAY IT WORKS OUT, YOU KNOW, EVERY EVERY THOUSAND GALLON TANK, YOU DON'T GET A THOUSAND OUT OF IT.AND THEN THERE ARE SOME THOUSAND GALLON TANKS.
IF A THING'S FLOODED OUT, YOU'RE GONNA GET 1200 GALLONS UP.
SO THEY'RE WITH THE FUEL COST AND ALL THE THINGS THAT THEY'RE FIGHTING, IF IT'S 5,000, IT WAS LIKE, MAN, WE DON'T HAVE QUITE A FULL LOAD, BUT WE'RE GONNA PAY FOR 2000.
THEN DO WE GO SOMEWHERE ELSE AND PULL ON ANOTHER 300 GALLONS AND THEN TRY TO GO DUMP.
AND THEN IF WE ACCIDENTALLY PUT TOO MUCH ON AND IT'S 2020 200 GALLONS, NOW WE GOTTA PAY FOR 3000 GALLONS.
UM, NOW I DON'T THINK YOU CAN DO ABOUT A GALLON.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT MAKES ANY SENSE, BUT I WOULD ASK IF THERE WAS A WAY TO DO IT, YOU KNOW, SAME MONEY AND I AIN'T ASKING YOU TO CHANGE THE RATE TO RATE COST, WHAT IT COSTS, BUT TO MAYBE DO IT IN 500 GALLON INCREMENTS INSTEAD OF THOUSANDS.
AND IT WOULD, UH, IT WOULD HELP THOSE GUYS A LITTLE BIT AND WE CAN FOLLOW WITH FINANCE ON IF WE COULD BREAK THAT DOWN DIFFERENT INCREMENTS.
LIKE YOU MENTIONED, THE RATE'S THE SAME.
RATHER THAN ROUNDING TO A THOUSAND, YOUR ROUNDING TO 500.
SO WE CAN, WE CAN REVIEW THAT.
A, A FAIR, UM, UM, UM, WE'LL ASK FOR A FINANCE IT IT IS FROM BEING IN THE TRADE AND UM, LISTENING TO 'EM COMPLAINING WHEN I'M WORKING ON ONE AND I NEED TO PUMP OUT LIKE RAH, MAYBE THE NEW SOFTWARE WE'LL HAVE TO ASK NOW I'M NOT SURE WHEN THEY DUMP, IF IT COUNTS IT OR THEY JUST TAKING IT OFF WHAT THE TRUCK IS OR HOW IT WORKS.
WE'LL BE SURE WE'LL FOLLOW UP AND WE'LL MAKE SURE WE CAN SEND THAT BACK TO YOU SHORTLY TO THE GROUP.
S JUST AWARE, I'M TELLING YOU WHAT, I'LL BE A HERO IF I GOT THAT DONE ACCIDENT,
BUT IT, IT DOES, YOU KNOW, MAKE SENSE WHAT HELPS THE CUSTOMER TOO.
YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THEY'VE GOTTA CHARGE A MINIMUM IF IT'S A GALLON OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THEY BRING THE TRUCK OUT AND THEN THEY'VE GOT A MINIMUM DUMP FEE, WHETHER IT'S PER A THOUSAND.
SO IT MAY, IT MAY ACTUALLY GIVE THE CUSTOMER SOME BENEFIT TOO.
WELL, AND YOU DON'T, YOU DON'T WANT THE CUSTOMER TO THINK THAT THEY'RE BEING TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BY THE HAULER BECAUSE CUSTOMER'S NOT GONNA UNDERSTAND ANY OF THIS.
I, YOU KNOW, I PAY WHEN I GET MINES, YOU KNOW, AND I DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THIS PART OF IT.
THAT IF I WAS ONE TO LOOK AND BREAK IT DOWN AND SEE THAT I'VE GOT X NUMBER, A TANK, YOU KNOW, AND I'VE JUST REALIZED I GOT WHY IS THAT THOSE NUMBERS DON'T MATCH UP.
AND THAT'S NOT FAIR TO THE HAULER TO BE, THEY JUST HAVE TO, THEY JUST HAVE TO BID AT THE JOB AND YEAH.
AND THEN I KNOW THOSE GUYS ARE LIKE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A GAMBLE, YOU KNOW HOW MUCH ROOM'S ON THE TRUCK.
DO WE TAKE A HALF A TRUCK IN AND PAY FOR 2000 GALLONS AND THEN, UH, TO BE SURE WE CAN GET IT ALL? 'CAUSE IF, IF THEY DON'T, IF IF, IF THEY LEAVE THE HALF A LOAD ON THE TRUCK AND THEN THEY GO OUT TO THE NEXT CUSTOMER AND THEY CAN'T GET IT ALL ON AND THEN THEY GOTTA GO BACK AGAIN, THEY'RE UPSIDE DOWN THAT JOB.
I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY CHARGE THAT, THAT'S JUST A YEAH.
A HATEFUL THING FOR PART OF THEIR BUSINESS THAT THEY'VE BEEN ENDURING.
BUT, UH, I WAS GONNA ASK ABOUT THAT ANYWAY.
EVEN THOUGH IT WASN'T IN MY WHEELHOUSE.
I WAS JUST LUCKY THAT IT WAS ON HERE AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT HAPPENED.
SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN FOR A REASON.
I JUST, 'CAUSE I JUST LOOKED DOWN AND I AM GONNA BE VERY INVOLVED WITH THE STATE TOURNAMENT.
IT START IT, THAT'S THE SIXTH.
LET'S JUST FORGET JULY AND JUNE.
I JUST GOTTA LOOK AT JUNE 'CAUSE WE'RE ON VACATION.
THIS IS THE FRONT ROW LITTLE LEAGUE STATE TOURNAMENT, WHICH I'M EXTREMELY INVOLVED IN HELPING WITH.
SO, AND, AND I, IT ACTUALLY STARTS JUNE 16TH ON 16TH AT SIX 16.
WE KIND OF INDICATED WE WANTED TO BE BACK AT THE BUT JUNE ANYWAY.
IT'S THAT 'CAUSE OF ALL THE, THE, I JUST CAN'T DO IT THE THIRD WEEK IN JUNE.
WHERE YOU GOING? WE TO JUNETEENTH UH, THE BEACH, VIRGINIA BEACH SANDWICH.
YOU OUGHT CHECK OUT TO THE NANDO RIVER.
I HIGHLY COMMEND SAND BRIDGE THOUGH.
OH, AND JOE GOES TO SAND BRIDGE TOO.
WE DIDN'T KNOW IT UNTIL WE WERE, YOU DON'T WANT ME DOWN A ROOM? CAN WE JUST HAVE A MEETING HERE? YEAH, I'M GOOD WITH THAT.
THE, THE CLOSEST TO THE BEACH I'M GETTING IS CROSSING THE COUNT THE HAYFIELD TO THE SHENANDOAH RIVER.
I'M GONNA TAKE YOU TO MICHELLE, BUT LET WE, BUT WE WILL THE, SO WE'LL GET WITH ARE YOU LOOKING AT THAT? YOU CAN TELL I'M LOOKING AT JUNE.
SO WHAT, SO THIS IS WHEN I'M, THIS IS WHEN I'M GONE IN HERE.
HE SAID, AND JOE MIGHT BE TOO.
SO I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, I WONDER IF WE DO, MAYBE WE COULD DO IT ON THE 11TH OF JUNE.
WE COULD DO IT LIKE THE WEEK BEFORE.
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WE DON'T, WE DONT.THAT'S MY 50TH WEDDING ANNIVERSARY.
I'VE HAD MULTIPLE, I HAD, I HAD MY ANNIVERSARY, I HAD A COUNCIL MEETING ON MY ANNIVERSARY AND I HAD COUNCIL MEETING ON MY BIRTHDAY TWICE NOW.
SO I TOTALLY, BUT SERIOUSLY IF YOU NO, WE'LL DO IT SOONER RATHER THAN LATER.
I JUST DON'T WANNA DO IT HERE.
'CAUSE WE HAVE A MEETING ON THEN TOO.
YOU AND I, THE 11TH IS FINE 'CAUSE WE, WE ARE NOT.
ALRIGHT, LEMME PUT THAT IN JUNE 11TH.
HE'S PROBABLY WATCHING GOING WHATEVER.
BUT WE HAVE, IT'S MY 30TH IN JULY, SO I WOULD SAY WE COULD DO IT LATER IN JULY.
SO WE'RE AIMING FOR THE 11TH FOR A LIAISON.
UM, AREN'T WE ALSO HAVING A MEETING? YEAH.
SO HERE'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
I WOULD YEAH, I WOULD SUGGEST IT BE A JOINT MEETING AND AS LONG AS WE ADVERTISE IT, WE CAN ALL BE IN THE SAME ROOM TOGETHER.
AND INSTEAD OF A LIAISON MEETING, IT'S A TRUE JOINT MEETING.
WE INVITE EVERYBODY THEN WHOEVER CAN MAKE IT, MAKE IT IF THEY CAN'T, YOU KNOW, JUNE 11TH.
SO I'M JUST GONNA SAY WE'VE GOT A MEETING, THE NINTH, UH, BOARD MEETING IS THE NINTH.
AND SO IT WOULD BE THE AFTER AFTER THAT TC AND POS FOR ME.
AND THERE'S PROBABLY IS 6:00 PM THOUGH, RIGHT? YEAH.
AND THEN WE'LL BE BACK AT
WE, WE HAVE ENOUGH ROOM FOR WE, WE'VE DONE IT I THINK THE TIME AJO.
WE ACTUALLY DID IT BACK THERE.
WE, WE HAD THESE ALL BACK THERE.
MAYBE WE COULD ASK THE SCHOOLS OR SO THAT WE COULD HAVE IT TELEVISED AND BE BACK THERE.
IT'S BE VERY HARD TO DO IT THERE.
NO, I WAS SAYING UM, WHEN WE USED TO HAVE THE JOINT ONES ABOUT THE WATER AND THE TOURISM, WE WERE BACK THERE WHERE JANE WAS SET UP LIKE A BIG HORSESHOE.
BUT YOU COULDN'T HAVE RECORDED IT.
THAT'S WHY I THOUGHT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT HERE.
I THINK IT'D BE A STRUGGLE HONESTLY TO GET EVERYBODY IN TOWN HALL ON AROUND THAT TABLE.
IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT WITH YOU ALL.
IT'S TOO, IM PERSONABLE UP THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I PUT IN MY CALENDAR.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I THINK THIS HAS BEEN A REALLY GOOD MEETING.
I'M APPRECIATIVE FROM READING ABOUT YOUR MEETING, YOU GUYS ARE DISCUSSING THE CIGARETTE TIMES.
YOU HAVEN'T MADE A DECISION OR YOU HAVE WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT YET.
WE HAVEN'T VOTED ON IT FOR A SECOND.
I'M IN SUPPORT OF IT CURRENTLY.
WHY? UNLESS PUBLIC HEARING CHANGES MY MIND.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY VAPE WOULDN'T BE, I DON'T EITHER.
THE CHANGING THE LAWS ON THAT THEY PULLED IN APRIL THERE SOMETHING ABOUT THE FRUIT FLAVORED ONES.
THERE WAS TWO BILLS THAT WENT THROUGH, I THINK IT WAS THE SENATE BILL AND A HOUSE BILL.
AND BOTH OF THEM FAILED FOR WHATEVER REASON.
SOMETIMES WHEN NEW THINGS COME OUT LIKE THIS, IT TAKES A WHILE BEFORE THEY GET IT.
WELL THAT THE, THE, THE ONLY REASON WHY I KNOW BECAUSE IT WAS SOME YOUNGER GUYS ON THE JOB TODAY AND THEY WERE TALKING, I SAID, YOU ALL TALKING ABOUT, AND IT, IT'S SOMETHING AFTER, SOMETIME IN APRIL, IT WAS A CERTAIN TYPE OF THESE THINGS THAT HAD BEEN PULLED OFF THE MARKET IN VIRGINIA.
'CAUSE THE ONE GUY LIVES NEAR THE WEST VIRGINIA LINE AND HE WAS BY, BECAUSE ONE GUY, WHERE'D YOU GET THAT AT? HE SAID, WELL I GOT IT IN WEST VIRGINIA, BUT UH, I DON'T SMOKE ANYMORE AND I'VE NEVER VAPED.
BUT THAT MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO DO.
WHAT? ALLOWING YOU TO DO TAXES ON IT.
'CAUSE THEY WERE CHANGING THE RULES OF WHICH YOU COULD EVEN SELL HERE.
SO MAY, MAY HAVE PROLONGED THEM GETTING IT FIGURED OUT KIND OF THING.
I I WOULD'VE ON CIGARETTES, NOT ON PIPE TOBACCO OR NO, I THINK IT'S JUST, IT DON'T CIGARS CONSIDERED A CIGARETTE.
THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE THAT 2 CENTS BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME CIGARS THAT'S LIKE FIVE TO A PACK.
OR YOU CAN BUY INDIVIDUAL CIGARS.
WELL I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY FOLLOW IT BECAUSE HONESTLY I DON'T SMOKE.
BUT I THOUGHT THEY, THEY WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THE, LIKE IF YOU DID THE ROLL YOUR OWN OR SOMETHING.
ISN'T, ISN'T THERE SOMETHING EXEMPT FROM IT? NO.
I DON'T REALLY EVEN KNOW ANYBODY THAT ROLLS THEIR OWN BUT
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I WISH THEY WOULD PUT THE VAPES JUST SO THAT THE KIDS, I DON'T KNOW.IT'S A, IT'S A TOUGH ONE, BUT I, FOR THE KIDS, YEAH.
I, I HATE TO SEE 'EM SMOKE OR ANYTHING, BUT THAT'S NEXT 10 YEARS.
I'M AFRAID YOU'RE GONNA SEE A LOT OF DAMAGE FROM THAT.