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          OOH, WE ARE ALL, 
          [A. 5:00 PM - Closed Session ]
ALL RIGHT, WE'RE ALL HERE. 
          SO HAVE, UM, APRIL 22ND, 2026. 
          UM, WE'RE GONNA GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION. 
          AND MR. CARTER, YOU HAVE THAT. 
          WOULD YOU READ US CLOSE SECTION, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. 
          I MOVE THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED SESSION. 
          CLOSED MEETING UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A 29 TO DISCUSS THE AWARD OF A PUBLIC CONTRACT INVOLVING THE EXPENDITURE OF PUBLIC FUNDS, INCLUDING DISCUSSION OF THE TERMS OR SCOPE OF SUCH CONTRACT WHERE DISCUSSION IN OPEN SESSION WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          AND SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE PROVISION OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING SPECIFIC LEGAL MATTERS REQUIRING SUCH ADVICE, THE SUBJECT MATTERS ARE REQUESTED AMENDMENTS TO THE COUNTY FOR ROYAL MEALS TAX AGREEMENT AND THREE DRAFT AGREEMENTS WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD REGARDING LUMP SUM FUNDING, CARRYOVER FUNDS AND MEALS TAX ISSUES. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          MR. HENRY AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          WE WILL BE IN CLOSED SESSION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND NOW MR. STAN MEYER WILL SING A SONG. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          UH, WE ARE COMING OUTTA CLOSE, SO IF YOU GIVE US JUST A FEW MINUTES, WE'LL COME OUTTA CLOSED AND THEN YOU CAN GO BACK TO HAVING SOME CONVERSATION TILL SIX. 
          MR. CARTER, WILL YOU READ US OUT A CLOSED SESSION? YES, MA'AM. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC. 
          THE BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 3 7 1, 1 A, TWO, NINE, AND EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE'LL START THE MINUTE AT SIX O'CLOCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD 
          [E. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America]
EVENING EVERYONE. 
          AND WELCOME TO THE APRIL 22ND, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISOR MEETING. 
          UM, FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS, UH, PRAYER. 
          AND IS MS. REVEREND HILLMAN HERE? IF NOT, WE'LL JUST HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, PLEASE. 
          OKAY, THANK YOU. 
          AND IF EVERYONE WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE CONGRATULATIONS TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT SPANS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER. 
          [F. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions]
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA? I'M GONNA PULL OFF THE RECOGNITION OF THE WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT WE GOT THAT, UM, ARRANGED FOR TONIGHT, SO WE'LL PUT THAT ON FOR A FUTURE MEETING. 
          SO WITH THE ABSENCE OF D IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE WITHOUT ITEM D? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS AMENDED. 
          WELL, OH, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          SORRY. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          IS THIS JUST TO REMOVE THAT ONE? THAT'S THE ONLY ONE I, OKAY. 
          I'M I'M JUST ASKING ABOUT THE CONSENT THAT YOU GOT TO THE CONSENT. 
          WE USUALLY DO THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSENT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IS THERE A SECOND TO APPROVE THE AGENDA WITH REMOVAL OF D. 
          SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          [G. Presentation - Airport Commission ]
OKAY. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PRESENTATION FROM THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. 
          MR. BERRY, MADAM CHAIRMAN, OR WE'LL LET MIKE, YOU DIDN'T ASK ABOUT, UH, WE HAVE THE CHAIRMAN, EXCUSE ME, WE DO THE CONSENT AGENDA WHEN WE GET TO THE CONSENT 
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AGENDA. 
          NO, YOU ASKED, INCLUDING REMOVING THINGS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          YEAH, WE ALL WHEN WE GET TO IT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, MR. BARRY. 
          MR. BARRY IS GOING TO INTRODUCE OUR GUEST TONIGHT. 
          MADAM CHAIR BOARD MEMBERS, I'M JUST GOING TO INTRODUCE, UM, THE THREE MEMBERS OF OUR AIRPORT COMMISSION. 
          UM, I THINK SOME OF YOU HAVE MET PAUL ZABINSKI. 
          HE'S OUR CHAIR. 
          JULIE FELD. 
          SHE IS OUR VICE CHAIR. 
          AND JOHN BURT, HE IS THE SECRETARY FOR THE COMMISSION. 
          AND, AND THEY ALL WORK VERY HARD AND THEY'RE A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH. 
          AND I'M GONNA GET OUTTA THE WAY AND LET THEM TELL YOU WHAT WE'RE UP TO. 
          THANKS GUYS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, I WANT TO MAKE THIS AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU HAVE A LOT ON YOUR AGENDA AND I DON'T WANT TO WASTE YOUR TIME TOO MUCH. 
          SO, STARTING WITH WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE AIRPORT. 
          SO RIGHT NOW MANY OF US IN OUR LOCAL COMMUNITY DO NOT KNOW WHERE OUR LOCAL AIRPORT IS. 
          WHEN WE TALK ABOUT OUR LOCAL AIRPORT, A LOT LOT OF PEOPLE WILL ANSWER TO ME, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WASHINGTON DOLLARS, OR BWI OR EVEN NATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IS THAT WE'RE A PART OF A CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM WITHIN THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AS WELL AS WITHIN THE UNITED STATES AND FEDERAL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION. 
          LOOKING AT THAT GRAPHIC RIGHT THERE, YOU CAN SEE WE GOT ABOUT 60 SMALL GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS IN OUR COMMONWEALTH AND FRONT ROYAL IS ONE OF THOSE 60. 
          WHAT THESE AIRPORTS DO A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND IS PART OF THIS INFRASTRUCTURE PROGRAM, MUCH LIKE THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, MUCH LIKE THE RAILWAY SYSTEM AND THE MARITIME PORT SYSTEMS. SO THERE ARE ALWAYS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND AND UNTIL WE REALLY NEED 'EM, WE DON'T REALLY PAY MUCH ATTENTION TO 'EM. 
          OUT HERE IN THE FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT, THERE'S ABOUT FIVE SERVICES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT. 
          THINGS SUCH AS EMERGENT EMERGENCY MEDICAL ASSISTANCE, LAW ENFORCEMENT, SEARCH AND RESCUE, DISASTER RELIEF, AND, UH, RESPONSE FIRE, FORESTRY AND ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS AS WELL AS INFRASTRUCTURE AND UTILITY SUPPORT. 
          SOME EXAMPLES OF THAT THAT WE'VE HAD OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS, SOME OF YOU MIGHT HAVE REMEMBERED TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD HURRICANE HELENE COME UP THE EAST COAST AFFECTED GREATLY THE SOUTH CAROLINA AND THE NORTH CAROLINA AREAS. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT, ASHEVILLE IS GREATLY IMPACTED BY THAT STORM. 
          AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT ASHEVILLE, NORTH CAROLINA HAS A MAJOR RIVER RUNNING RIGHT THROUGH IT, AND IT'S SURROUNDED BY MOUNTAINS. 
          IT'S IN A VALLEY JUST LIKE OUR AREA RIGHT HERE. 
          AND THOSE FOLKS THAT LIVED IN THAT AREA NEVER REALLY PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO THEIR LOCAL GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS UNTIL THEY NEEDED THEM. 
          WHEN DID THEY NEED THEM IN THAT SPRING OF 2024. 
          AND HOW SO WHEN THAT STORM HIT, IT TOOK OUT LOTS OF INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          IT TOOK OUT THE HIGHWAYS, IT TOOK OUT THE BRIDGES, AND IT TOOK OUT THE RAILWAYS. 
          AND THE ONLY WAY IN AND OUT OF THOSE COMMUNITIES WAS BY THOSE SMALL GENERAL AVIATION AIRPORTS THAT NO ONE PAID MUCH ATTENTION TO. 
          AS A MATTER OF FACT, RIGHT HERE IN FRONT ROYAL, WE WERE A LAUNCH POINT WHERE WE WERE BRINGING IN MEDICAL FOOD GENERATORS, ALL THESE DIFFERENT SUPPLIES BECAUSE FEMA COULDN'T GET THERE. 
          AND WE WERE DOING IT RIGHT HERE FROM FRONT ROYAL. 
          WE WERE DOING IT FROM LOU, RAY, WINCHESTER, LEESBURG, ALL THESE DIFFERENT AIRPORTS. 
          IT WAS FEMA BACKED IN THE SENSE THAT THEY REACHED OUT TO INDUSTRY AND THEY SAID, HEY, COULD YOU GET THE WORD OUT TO THE GENERAL AVIATION PUBLIC AND GET THEM TO LIFT ALL THESE PRODUCTS INTO THESE SMALL AIRPORTS? AND WE DID. 
          SO I WAS THERE, UH, I WAS FORTUNATE TO BE A PART OF THAT PROGRAM. 
          WE WERE IN THERE WITHIN TWO DAYS OF THE STORM PASSING. 
          FEMA DIDN'T GET INTO UNTIL SEVEN TO 10 DAYS AFTER, UH, LAST YEAR HERE, RIGHT IN OUR OWN BACKYARD. 
          WE HAD A PRETTY GOOD, UH, ROBUST FIRE SEASON IN THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL FOREST AND THE GEORGE WASHINGTON NATIONAL FOREST. 
          AND WHERE THAT RELIEF CAME FOR, FOR THE FIREFIGHTER SUPPORT WAS RIGHT HERE AT FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT AND DOWN AT LURAY AIRPORT. 
          AND THEN WE GOT THAT 24 7 LIFE FLIGHT SERVICE RIGHT HERE IN OUR BACKYARD. 
          AT FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT IS IF GOD FORBID, WHEREVER INVOLVED IN AN INCIDENT OR ACCIDENT ON THE HIGHWAY SYSTEM OR OUT HIKING OR DOING ANY KIND OF THE RECREATIONAL THINGS THAT FRONT ROYAL IS KNOWN FOR, SUCH AS CANOEING, JUST MINUTES AWAY AS A HELICOPTER TO PICK US UP AND TAKE US TO THAT CRITICAL SERVICE. 
          SO A LOT OF TIMES WHEN WE'RE TALKING TO PEOPLE, THEY SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S JUST A RECREATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          AND IT IS, IT IS A RECREATIONAL AIRPORT. 
          BUT THOSE RECREATION ACTIVITIES IS WHAT FUND AND SUPPORT THE AIRPORT. 
          SO THAT IN A TIME OF NEED, WHEN WE NEED IT FOR THAT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S READY TO GO. 
          THAT ACTIVITY FUELS FUEL SALES AND A COUPLE OTHER, UH, UH, REVENUE STREAMS. THAT REVENUE DIRECTLY IMPACTS OUR DAILY OPERATION. 
          LIKE WE SAY AT THE AIRPORT, IT KEEPS THE LIGHTS ON AND THE DOORS OPEN DAILY. 
          SO AGAIN, WHEN THOSE, UH, OPERATIONS OR EVENTS HAPPEN WHERE WE NEED THAT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, IT'S READY TO GO. 
          SO THE AIRPORT ITSELF, AS MANY OF YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ENTERPRISE FUND, UH, OPERATION OUT THERE, AND IT'S A SELF-SUSTAINING OPERATION OUT AT THE FRONT ROYAL AIRPORT. 
          WHAT WE GENERATE ON A DAILY BASIS PRETTY MUCH COVERS ALL OUR COSTS. 
          IT'S MANAGED LOCALLY. 
          THANKFULLY 
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SINCE ABOUT 2024, THE COUNTY HAS TAKEN OVER THE MANAGEMENT OF THE AIRPORT. 
          AND YOU CAN SEE A DRAMATIC DIFFERENCE IN THE WAY THE AIRPORT IS MANAGED AND OPERATED AND GOING FORWARD IN A MUCH MORE STRUCTURED MANNER. 
          SINCE WE HAVE TAKEN IT OVER THE AIRPORT, UH, MANAGER MIKE FERRY ASSISTED WITH BY, UH, THE SUPERVISOR JAKE SNYDER. 
          THEY WORK WITH THE AIRPORT COMMISSION. 
          WE JUST GIVE THEM ADVICE, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE THINK SHOULD BE GOING ON. 
          THEY RUN IT BY THE COUNTY AND THAT'S HOW PLANS GET GOING. 
          YOU SEE THE DIFFERENT REVENUE SOURCES WE GOT AVIATION FUEL, SALES HANGAR, LEASE RAMP TIE DOWNS, AND IMPORTANTLY FAA GRANT, FEDERAL MONEY AND, UH, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION STATE MONEY COMING IN TO HELP WITH THAT ENTERPRISE, UH, FUND AS WELL AS AIRPLANE PROPERTY TAXES, BUSINESS TAXES AND SALARY TAXES. 
          THAT'S WHAT ALL GOES INTO THAT ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          THE LIFEBLOOD OF OUR AIRPORT THOUGH, IS FUEL SALES. 
          SO IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THIS GRAPH FROM 23 TO 24, WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN THE FUEL SALES AT THE AIRPORT. 
          AND THAT WAS WORKING WITH THE COUNTY AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION TRYING TO DIRECT WHERE, HOW CAN WE ELEVATE OR INCREASE THE FUEL SALES 'CAUSE IT'S THE LIFEBLOOD OF THE AIRPORT. 
          THAT'S WHERE WE GET OUR PRIMARY REVENUE FOR THE AIRPORT. 
          AND WE, WE TARGETED, BRINGING IN NEW BUSINESSES TO FLIGHT TRAINING SYS, UH, UH, BUSINESSES AS WELL AS MAINTENANCE TO ATTRACT PEOPLE TO COME TO THE AIRPORT. 
          AND WE SAW ALMOST A HUNDRED PERCENT INCREASE IN OUR FUEL, UH, SALES GOING INTO THE NEXT YEAR BY JUST BRINGING IN THOSE FOUR DIFFERENT BUSINESSES. 
          IN 2025, WE SAW A SLIGHT DECREASE AND WE'RE LIKE, HMM, THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          WE'RE RUNNING, WE'RE HUMMING, WE'RE DOING A LOT OF BUSINESS. 
          WHY DID WE GET A SLIGHT DECREASE? AND THEN WHEN WE LOOKED OVER THE WEATHER, AND IT SEEMED ALMOST EVERY WEEK, IF YOU REMEMBER LAST YEAR, I COACH A A HIGH SCHOOL TEAM AND EVERY YEAR OR EVERY WEEKEND IT SEEMED TO BE RAINING AND IT GREATLY IMPACTED US. 
          BUT OVERALL, WE'RE TRACKING TO ABOUT 18 TO 20% INCREASE IN OUR REVENUE. 
          AND THAT'S ALL DIRECTLY RELATED TO ATTRACTING MORE AND MORE BUSINESS OUT AT THE AIRPORT. 
          WE JUST RECEIVED, MIKE GOT THIS TO ME NOT TOO LONG AGO, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION DOESN'T IMPACT STUDY TO SEE HOW OUR AIRPORT, UH, IMPACTS THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          AND IT WAS PRETTY IMPRESSIVE. 
          UH, THEY LOOK AT THINGS SUCH AS DIRECT IMPACTS IN INDIRECT IMPACTS AND WHAT THEY REFER TO AS INDUCED OR, UH, SUPERFICIAL IMPACTS TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          AND WHAT THEY FOUND OUT WAS ABOUT 154 DIFFERENT JOBS ARE CREATED OUT AT THAT AIRPORT, LITTLE LOCAL AIRPORT THAT NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW ABOUT. 
          OUTTA THAT, IT GENERATES ABOUT $9.4 MILLION IN ANNUAL WAGES, CONTRIBUTES ABOUT $15.2 MILLION TO THE STATE ECONOMY AS WELL AS ABOUT 26 AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          THAT AIRPORT JUST DOWN THE ROAD HERE CONTRIBUTES TO THE ENTIRE ECONOMY. 
          SO A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CONTRIBUTION. 
          LOOKING FORWARD, WHAT DO WE GOT GOING ON OUT THERE? WELL, ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT WE'RE JUST ACCOMPLISHING RIGHT NOW UNDER THE LEADERSHIP OF MIKE BERRY IS WE HAD SOME IMPROVEMENTS GOING ON SO THAT WE CAN DO SOME SITE DEVELOPMENT. 
          WE'RE ABOUT A WEEK TO ALMOST TWO WEEKS OR LESS THAN TWO WEEKS OUT TO COMPLETING THAT PROJECT. 
          WHAT THAT PROJECT IS GONNA DO IS LEAD US INTO HANGAR CONSTRUCTION. 
          WE ARE AT MAX CAPACITY RIGHT NOW. 
          WE HAVE ABOUT 21, 22 PEOPLE ON THE WAITING LIST. 
          AND ONCE WE COMPLETE THIS HANGAR PROJECT, WE'RE GONNA HAVE ABOUT 12 MORE, UH, HANGAR SPACES AVAILABLE FOR THE GENERAL PRO PUBLIC. 
          SO AS YOU CAN IMAGINE, BRINGING ON 12 NEW AIRPLANES, WE HAVE MORE REVENUE AND FUEL SALES, WE HAVE MORE, UH, TAXES FOR THE PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          AGAIN, WE BUILD IT, THEY'LL COME AND IT JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING HELPS OUT THE AIRPORT QUITE A BIT. 
          SO IN 2026, WHICH WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW, WE GOT THE RUNWAY REHABILITATION PROJECT GOING ON. 
          SO THINK OF IT AS WHAT YOU SEE ON 66. 
          THEY COME IN, THEY STRIP OFF THE TOP LAYER OF ASPHALT, THEY LAY DOWN NEW ASPHALT AND REMARKET. 
          SO THAT'S GONNA GO ON. 
          HOPEFULLY IT SHOULD BE WRAPPED UP IN THE AUGUST TO SEPTEMBER WEATHER PERMITTING. 
          WE ALSO HOPEFULLY WILL ROLL RIGHT FROM THE SITE DEVELOPMENT INTO HANGAR CONSTRUCTION. 
          AND THEN LOOKING FORWARD INTO THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS, WE'VE GOT PHASE ONE, TWO, AND THREE OF THE REHAB PROGRAMS. WE'VE GOT THE RUNWAY FIRST NEXT YEAR WILL BE THE TAXIWAYS, AND THEN THE FOLLOWING YEARS WE'LL GET INTO THE APRON REHAB. 
          SO QUITE A LOT OF STUFF. 
          AGAIN, UH, ALL THESE DIFFERENT PROJECTS THAT WE'RE INVESTING IN THE AIRPORT IS ALL DIRECTED AT GENERATING MORE REVENUE BY BRINGING MORE BUSINESS OUT TO THE AIRPORT. 
          AND THAT MY FRIENDS, IS ABOUT AS QUICK AS I CAN GIVE YOU AN UPDATE ON THE AIRPORT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS? QUICK QUESTIONS? IF, IF, IF THE, UH, HANGERS ARE BUILT, OH, YOU INDICATED THE, IT'D BE MAYBE 12 SLOTS THERE. 
          CORRECT. 
          DO, DO YOU KNOW WHAT KIND OF GROSS INCOME THAT WOULD MAKE MAKE FOR THE AIRPORT AND RENTAL FEES? SO IT, IT'S A GREAT QUESTION AND IT'S VARIED BECAUSE IN, IN LEASE THE DIRECT FROM NOW HAVING SPACE, WE'RE 
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LOOKING ANYWHERES FROM ABOUT 4,800 TO $5,500 PER MONTH IN LEASES. 
          BUT DEPENDING ON WHAT TYPE OF AIRCRAFT THE VALUE OF THOSE AIRCRAFT BRINGS IN THE TAXABLE INCOME, HOW MUCH THOSE AIRPLANES FLY BRINGS IN THE, THE REVENUE FROM, UH, THE FUELS. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE TANGIBLES THAT WE CAN'T QUITE PIN DOWN, BUT WE ESTIMATE, AND IT'S PRETTY RELIABLE ESTIMATE THAT THE UH, LEASES, THE HANGAR LEASES WILL BRING IN ABOUT 50 TO 55% OF THE INCOME AND THE REST WILL BE MADE UP WITH, UM, FUEL SALES TAXES AND BUSINESSES THAT ARE GONNA BE OPERATING OUT OF THOSE HANGERS. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH, MR. BARRY HAD SENT US THE VIRGINIA, HE HAD SENT US THAT IMPACT STUDY BACK IN MARCH 5TH, I THINK. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN I DID LOOK AT IT AND THAT WAS ONE OF THE QUESTIONS YOU KIND OF TOUCHED ON IT AND HE SAID IT, UM, IT GENERATED 154 JOBS CORRECT. 
          AND 9.4 MILLION IN WAGES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND I WAS JUST WONDERING HOW THEY ARRIVE AT THAT. 
          AND I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          IF YOU WANNA GET BACK TO ME LATER, THAT'S FINE. 
          NO, THAT'S A FANTASTIC QUESTION. 
          AND, AND THE WAY WE DON'T EXACTLY KNOW, THEY SPEND ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS LOOKING BACK AT HOWEVER THE, THE PROCESS THAT THEY USE, RIGHT. 
          THEY GO THROUGH OUR BOOKS, THEY GO THROUGH ALL THE, THE FEDERALLY AND STATE FILED PAPERWORK THAT WE DO, AND THAT'S HOW THEY COME UP WITH THAT. 
          UM, AS FAR AS THE PARTICULARS, THEY NEVER CONTACT US DIRECTLY AND SAY, HEY, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE WORKING THERE? RIGHT. 
          THEY DO ALL THE RESEARCH ON THEIR OWN AND THEN THEY REPORT BACK TO US. 
          OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          KIMLEY HORN, UM, ON THE GROUND AND REMEMBER LIKE A YEAR, I THINK JOHN STANDBY WAS THERE. 
          YEAH, I WAS THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WAS REALLY IMPRESSED WITH THE, THE NUMBER ON THE GROUND WHEN WE JUST LOOKED AT THE REC FOLKS. 
          JUST, YOU JUST GET IN 24 7 WITH PHI, THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES THERE, RIGHT. 
          THAT YOU GET INTO THE MAINTENANCE SHOP, THEY HAVE WHAT, THREE OR FOUR NOW? YEAH. 
          UH, PEOPLE AT THE MAINTENANCE SHOP FULL TIME, BUT THEN IN THE BACKGROUND BEHIND, YOU KNOW, PHI NOW WEARS THE VALLEY HEALTH BADGE. 
          SO VALLEY HEALTH, IT'S PART OF THEIR TRANSPORT SERVICES THEN, THEN THEY'RE LOOKING AT THE FAA STAFF, THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION STAFF. 
          THEN THEY LOOK AT LIKE, WITH THIS HANGAR PROJECT, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT IN PHASE TWO. 
          WE STARTED WITH ENVIRONMENTAL. 
          SO THERE'S ENVIRONMENTAL CONSULTANTS, THEN THERE'S THE FOLKS THAT HAVE BEEN OUT HERE DOING CORE SAMPLES LOCALLY. 
          WE'VE HAD JOE BROGAN THERE DOING SURVEY, UM, ECS OUTTA WINCHESTER. 
          SO THERE'S A LOT, I COULD TELL YOU A LOT OF GROUPS THAT HAVE TOUCHED IT PERSONALLY WITHOUT GOING DEEP. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE MORE DETAIL WHEN THE FULL REPORT COMES OUT THAT'LL SHOW YOU. 
          BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE GRAND SCHEME, IT'S IN THE BILLIONS WE'RE JUST MINUTIAE AND COMPARED TO AVIATION IN GENERAL IN THAT LARGE. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE I MEAN THE OTHER THING TOO IS YOU, YOU TOUCHED ON THAT AS FAR AS THE IMPACT OF THE STATE AND ALL LIKE THAT. 
          AND I GUESS HOW, AND MAYBE YOU SAID THAT ALREADY, HOW MANY PLANES ARE HOUSED THERE CURRENTLY? I'M NOT TRYING TO STUMP YOU GUYS. 
          BASE AIRCRAFT SIX BALLPARK. 
          WE HAVE 42 IN THE HANGERS. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          AND, AND THEN WE GOT ON THE RAMP AT ANY ONE TIME, I'D SAY ABOUT 10 AIRCRAFT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEN WE GOT PHIS HELICOPTER. 
          AND THEN YOU HAVE ALL OF YOUR, UH, SAIL PLANES AS WELL, YOUR SAIL PLANES AND YOUR PROBABLY WITH THOSE GUYS PROBABLY AROUND 80. 
          OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          I'D SAY SEVEN, FIVE TO, AND THEN YOU HAVE, YOU STILL HAVE SOME DRONES STORED THERE AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN WE DO A BASE AIRCRAFT. 
          I COULD GIVE YOU THE EXACT NUMBERS. 
          THAT'S WHATEVER. 
          AND THEN NOW, UM, JOHN BURKE WAS ACTUALLY WORKING ON SOMETHING TODAY 'CAUSE WE WERE WORKING WITH, UH, THE COMMISSIONER JUST TRYING TO GET AN, A VALUE ON THE TAX, WHICH THE TAX IS NOT AS HIGH AS WILL BE REVENUE. 
          UM, BUT WE, WE COULD POTENTIALLY SEE, DEPENDING ON THE NUMBER OF PLANES THEY PUT IN THE NEW HANGERS, YOU COULD SEE AN INFLUX OF UP TO 20 NEW PLANES BECAUSE THE TEAMERS BASIC THREE UP. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE GONNA SEE A CHANGE. 
          SOME OF THOSE FOLKS ARE GONNA GO TO A LARGER HANGAR. 
          THEY'LL PUT TWO, POSSIBLY THREE I'D SAY IN THE 60 BY 60. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, I'M, I'M JUST THE CONSTRUCTION MONEY DEAL WITH THE, THE NOT FUN STUFF GUY. 
          BUT I'M, I'M IN THE 60 BY SIXTIES. 
          WE CAN COUNT ON AT LEAST THREE AIRCRAFT IN THOSE AND POSSIBLY FOUR DEPENDING ON THE SIZE OF THEM. 
          AND AGAIN, SO WE GET FOUR INTO THAT ONE, FOUR INTO THE NEXT ONE. 
          SO THAT'S A AIRCRAFT THERE PLUS THE FOUR ALONG THERE. 
          AND SOME OF THOSE HANGERS MIGHT, AGAIN, DEPENDING ON THE SIZE, GET TWO IN THERE. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, IT FREES UP 12 SPOTS FOR NEW GUYS TO COME ON IN. 
          AND IT'S JUST, IT'S ONE OF THESE THINGS THAT IT JUST, THE REVENUE KEEPS GOING UP BY THE FACT THAT THERE IS A HUGE DEMAND FOR OUR HANGER SPACE. 
          ANYBODY IN THE AVIATION INDUSTRY RIGHT NOW BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME BECAUSE EVERY AIRPORT IN THE COMMONWEALTH HAS A WAITING LIST. 
          OURS IS CURRENTLY ABOUT 2122 HANGERS. 
          SO WE KNOW THE DAY THAT WE TURN THE KEY ON THOSE HANGERS, PEOPLE WILL BE IN THOSE HANGERS AND WE REDUCE THE LIST BY MAKING 'EM GIVE US A DEPOSIT. 
          SO WE'VE BEEN TAKING MONEY 
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IT DEAL ON OUR LIST LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S PRETTY SERIOUS. 
          IF YOU'LL PUT A DEPOSIT ON YEP. 
          TO BE ON THE LIST OF SOMETHING THAT'S NOT EVEN THERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE THERE. 
          EXACTLY. 
          YOU COULD BE THERE FOR YEARS WAITING ON ONE THAT'S THERE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE, WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST IS YOU GOT A LIST OF 50 PEOPLE AND THEN YOU CALL 'EM UP AND YOU'RE DOWN TO NUMBER 16 BEFORE YOU GET THE FIRST. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'RE LIKE, ALL RIGHT, LET'S NOT GO THROUGH THIS BUSINESS. 
          LET'S FIND OUT WHO NOT AREN'T THE TIRE KICKERS WHO ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS. 
          AND THEN WE PUT IN THE RULES AND REGS THAT A DEPOSIT'S REQUIRED TO BE ON THE LIST AND MAINTAINED. 
          ALL OF A SUDDEN THAT LIST DROPPED DOWN TO NOW WE HAVE 21 SERIOUS PEOPLE THAT, UH, VERY CONFIDENT THAT THE DAY THOSE DOORS OPEN UP, WE'LL FILL IN UP WITH THEIR YEAH. 
          THE ONLY OTHER THING TOO IS, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S IN YOUR NUMBERS OR NOT, BUT I GUESS WHEN THE PEOPLE COME TO FLY THEIR PLANE, THEY STOP OFF AT A RESTAURANT AND EAT, THEY DO SOME OTHER THINGS TOO. 
          AND THAT, THAT BENEFITS THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. 
          YEAH, A BIG, A BIG PART OF IT. 
          AND THIS WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ON GETTING OUT TO THE AIRPORT. 
          THEY CALL IT THE FINAL MILE. 
          YOU FLY INTO FRONT ROYAL, ONE OF THE BIG ATTRACTIONS IS TO FUEL PRICES WE'RE TYPICALLY LOWER THAN SOME OF OUR COMPETITION. 
          SO THEY COME HERE TO GET FUEL AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, DO YOU HAVE A COURTESY CAR? 'CAUSE WE WANT TO GET A GRAB A BITE TO EAT AND THE FINAL MILE GOING FROM THE AIRPORT INTO TOWN TO GET THAT IS NOW AVAILABLE. 
          SO THAT'S A BIG SELLING POINT TOO. 
          WE, WE HAVE A PUBLICATION CALLED FOUR FLIGHT THAT ALL THE PILOTS ACCESS, THEY KNOW WHAT SERVICES ARE AVAILABLE ONCE THEY GET TO THAT AIRPORT AND THEY SEE A COURTESY CAR AND THEY'RE LIKE, WE'RE GOING THERE. 
          GOOD. 
          I WAS, I WAS GONNA MENTION THAT SINCE YOU HADN'T, AND I KNOW THAT WAS JULIE'S, UM, BABY TO GET THAT GOING. 
          AND, UM, AND I, I, I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. 
          I, I'M NOT AN AVIATION PERSON. 
          I, I'M GETTING CLOSER, BUT , UM, I'M STILL CHICKEN, BUT I SAW IT AS A HOBBY HOUSE. 
          I DIDN'T SEE THIS, YOU KNOW, AS AN END RESULT. 
          SO YOU, YOU GUYS HAVE FINALLY WON ME OVER THAT THIS IS A BIG BENEFIT FOR THE COMMUNITY WHERE I THOUGHT IT WAS A HOBBY HOUSE WHEN I RIGHT. 
          VIEWED IT, UM, AS JUST A, A CITIZEN SITTING ON THAT SIDE AND WASN'T WELL EDUCATED. 
          AND I THINK IT, IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF GRANTS TO HELP DO ALL THIS. 
          SO THIS IS NOT ALL LOCAL TAX DOLLARS. 
          THIS IS A LOT OF GRANT MONEY FROM, AND IF YOU WANNA TAKE A SECOND TO SPEAK THAT. 
          YEAH, THAT WAS GONNA BE MY QUESTION. 
          CAN YOU SPEAK TO LIKE THE RELATIVE RATIO OF, OF COUNTY MONEY TO FEDERAL AND STATE MONEY, UH, TO DO THE HANGERS IN THE RUNWAYS? YEAH. 
          WELL TYPICALLY HANGERS ARE NOT SOMETHING YOU SEE DONE WITH GRANT MONEY TO AIRPORT. 
          BUT, UH, WELL I THINK YOU WERE PART OF THE SITTING AT THE BOARD TABLE, BUT, UM, WE, WE RECEIVED THE, UH, FORMERLY BILL FUNDING AND IIJA IT'S CALLED NOW. 
          AND THAT'S WHERE WE STARTED THE PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE IT WAS THE COMMISSIONS, HEY, THIS IS WHAT WE SEE WE NEED TO DO. 
          SO WE STARTED WITH THE ENGINEERS AND THE, THE PLANNING AND, AND THE ENVIRONMENTAL AND WHERE CAN WE GO? AND THIS IS THE POT OF MONEY WE HAVE. 
          AND WE STARTED WALKING FORWARD, UM, AND, AND OF COURSE WE DIDN'T GET BITS THE FIRST TIME MM-HMM . 
          AND, AND THEN WE WENT TO THE STATE AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET ON THE, THE HANGAR PROJECT. 
          THE, IT'S, YOU KNOW, LIKE 1.1, I CAN'T REMEMBER EXACT. 
          AND, AND A GRANT. 
          AND, AND I, YOU KNOW, I'M VERY PROUD THAT WE WERE ABLE TO GET THAT OUR, OUR AVIATION BOARD MEMBER IN, IN OUR DISTRICT FOR THE STATE. 
          HE SUPPORTED US A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          HE'S BEEN TO OUR AIRPORT TWICE. 
          UM, BUT WE STILL HAVE, FOR THE PROJECT BUILDING, WE STILL HAVE $563,000 OF FEDERAL MONEY AND, UM, TO USE, IF WE DON'T, WE'RE GONNA LOSE IT. 
          I'M GONNA LOSE 165,000 THIS YEAR IF WE DON'T MOVE FORWARD WITH OUR PROJECTS ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE RUNWAY. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE LOOKING, TYPICALLY A LOT OF THOSE PROJECTS HAVE BEEN 1% COUNTY MONEY, YOU KNOW, SO YOU'LL BE 98%, UM, OR 97%. 
          THIS DEPENDS ON THE PROJECT. 
          AND WE'LL BE LOOKING AT A $3 MILLION PROJECT AND LIKELY PAY 1% ON THE RUNWAY. 
          UM, SO I MEAN, FOR US, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN, WE CAN TYPICALLY HANDLE A $3 MILLION PROJECT WITH OUR, OUR MONEY THAT WE MAKE ON FUEL, YOU KNOW, AND I THINK THAT IS, IS WHAT WE'VE TRIED TO DO. 
          WE'VE TRIED TO BE RESPONSIBLE, UM, EVEN WITH THIS INFRASTRUCTURE, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL. 
          WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO DO, YOU KNOW, UH, OVER A MILLION DOLLARS. 
          WELL, WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED YET, BUT WE'RE GETTING CLOSE, UH, WITH, OF WORK THAT'S TOTALLY REIMBURSABLE FOR THE SITE WORK. 
          AND IN TODAY'S WORLD, THEY REQUIRE A LOT OF UNDERGROUND STORAGE. 
          AND, UM, WE HAD TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, IN DEQ AND WE HAVE TO UPDATE OUR STORM MORTAR PLANS, I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF BACKGROUND. 
          AND, AND WE'VE GOT ALL OF THAT STUFF DONE. 
          SO I, I, I THINK WE'VE DONE GOOD. 
          I MEAN, WE COULD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE COULD TALK ABOUT PROJECTS FOREVER. 
          I CAN SEND YOU OUR A-C-I-P-I THINK EVERYBODY SHOULD HAVE THAT. 
          AND IT SHOWS YOU OUR PERCENTAGES. 
          AND, 
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YOU KNOW, WE USUALLY PAY ONE TO 2%. 
          AND EVEN WITH MAINTENANCE OUT THERE, YOU KNOW, UM, WE ASKED FOR A TRACTOR, I THINK FOR JAKE IN OUR BUDGET, YOU KNOW, BUT WE WILL APPLY FOR A GRANT AND IF THE STATE HAS THE MONEY, WE'LL GET 50% ON THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, SO, LIKE PAUL SAID, WE'RE PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND, AND THAT MEANS SOMETHING. 
          I HOPE THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION. 
          YEAH, I'LL BE GLAD. 
          I, I DON'T WANNA TAKE OUT TOO MUCH TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY, ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NOT WELL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD, AS YOU KNOW, UH, THIS IS UNDER NEW BUSINESS TO FUND THESE HANGERS. 
          UM, SO WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT NOW. 
          ARE IT STILL FRESH IN OR WE CAN WAIT UNTIL NEW BUSINESS. 
          UH, WAIT, WAIT. 
          OKAY. 
          I THINKING IT SAYS THIS SAYS, WAIT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [H. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit) ]
ALRIGHT. 
          THAT PUTS US AT PUBLIC COMMENT PANEL. 
          PULL OUT THE PAPER. 
          I THINK I CAN WING IT WITHOUT IT, BUT I USUALLY HAVE IT OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO PUBLIC PO COMMENT TIME IS AN HOUR THAT YOU GET TO SPEAK, UH, ONE TIME DURING THE HOUR FOR THREE MINUTES. 
          AND ALL COMMENTS WILL BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. 
          BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. 
          THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION. 
          THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT BY COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. 
          BUT THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE MATERIALS AS PART OF A FACTUAL PRESENTATION. 
          AND THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE. 
          SO, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? UH, YES MA'AM. 
          FIRST UP IS JOHN JENKINS, AND IF YOU JUST SAY YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE, LIVE IN, PLEASE. 
          JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. 
          A COUPLE COMMENTS NIGHT ABOUT, UH, TAXES, THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN THE TAXES. 
          UH, AND ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS ITEM L ONE IS REQUEST FOR CONTRACTS TO COMPLETE THE AUDIT. 
          AND THE AMOUNT OF $240,000 TOTAL SPENT, IF YOU APPROVE THIS IS GONNA BE $340,000 OR $340,490, WHATEVER. 
          SO, AND THIS FUNDING THAT WAS NOTED ON THE, UH, ON THE AGENDA THERE THAT, UH, THE FUNDING WILL BE PROVIDED FROM DELINQUENT TAX COLLECTIONS AND INTERESTS. 
          WELL, SO WHAT, YOU COULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND FUND THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT, OR YOU COULD HIRE A COUPLE DIFFERENT, UH, MORE FIREFIGHTERS OR YOU COULD REPLACE SOME VEHICLES, UH, THAT ARE NEEDED REGARDLESS, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO SPEND TAX MONEY TO DO, TO DO THIS. 
          SO STATING THAT IT, THAT IT COMES FROM DELINQUENT TAXES OR FROM REVENUE, UH, THAT DOESN'T, THAT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING AT ALL. 
          UM, MY COMMENT IS THAT THE STAFF AND THE TREASURER'S OFFICE CANNOT RECONCILE THE BUDGET WITHOUT EXTERNAL CONTRACTORS. 
          THEN WHERE'S THE INTERVENTION AND WHY HASN'T THE ISSUE BEEN RESOLVED? BECAUSE TWO, THREE MONTHS FROM NOW, YOU'RE GONNA BE, WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT 20 25, 20 26 AUDIT. 
          ARE YOU WILLING TO SPEND THERE ANOTHER 250, $300,000 TAX DOLLARS THAT I HAVE TO MAKE A CONTRIBUTION TO? JUST LIKE A LOT OF OTHER PEOPLE IN THE COUNTY, I KNOW THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO HIRE OR DISMISS PERSONNEL IN DEPARTMENTS WHERE PERFORMANCE IS LACKING AND THE PEERS, NO EVALUATION OF THE PERFORMANCE OF EMPLOYEES IS BEING DRESSED BY ANYONE WHO'S IN CHARGE. 
          DO WE HAVE SOMEONE IN CHARGE IN THE COUNTY THAT CAN INTERVENE AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PROBLEM IS AND TAKE CARE OF IT? BECAUSE THE LACK OF OVERSIGHT ALLOWS FOR ONGOING PROBLEMS AND INEFFICIENCIES IN DEPARTMENT OPERATIONS THAT RESULT IN THE SPENDING OF UNNECESSARY TAX DOLLARS. 
          AND IT SEEMED LIKE THE FIX IS JUST TO RAISE THE TAXES BECAUSE THE CITIZENS ARE OBLIGATED TO PAY IT. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY CHOICE. 
          ONE QUESTION. 
          PRIOR TO PHYSICAL YEAR 2023, DAY 2024, HOW MUCH DID THE COUNTY SPEND ON OUTSIDE HELP TO GET ISSUES RESOLVED PRIOR IN THOSE PAST COUPLE YEARS? UH, I'VE LOOKED, I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING, UH, OF THIS TAX INCREASE 
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OF, UH, OVER $10 MILLION, 10,000,280, UH, 50% OF THAT'S GOING THROUGH THE SCHOOLS, AND MOST OF THAT MONEY IS GOING TO A 4% RAISE ACROSS THE BOARD FOR ALL TEACHERS. 
          WHEREAS SOME TEACHERS MAY DESERVE THAT, MAYBE EVEN DESERVE MORE. 
          AND THEN THERE MAY BE SOME OVER HERE THAT DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING THAT YOU SHOULD GET RID OF. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS MARK ROCKEFELLER. 
          UH, GOOD EVENING. 
          MARK ROCKEFELLER, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. 
          UH, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, FIRSTLY, THANK YOU FOR WHAT YOU DO. 
          IT'S SOMETIMES A THANKLESS JOB, AND I CAN APPRECIATE THE DIFFICULT, UH, DECISIONS THAT YOU'VE GOTTA MAKE SOMETIMES. 
          UH, I THINK I HAVE A PRETTY EASY ONE, UH, FOR YOU HERE TONIGHT. 
          UM, WANNA SPEAK ABOUT, UH, THE ACTIONS OF THE WARREN COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION ON APRIL 8TH, UH, IN APPROVING AN 11 ACRE MULTIMILLION DOLLAR ELECTRICAL POWER STATION, UH, WITH NO PUBLIC INPUT, UH, NO PUBLIC NOTICE, AND NO PUBLIC SCRUTINY WHATSOEVER. 
          UH, THE FIVE AIRBNB SHORT-TERM RENTALS THAT WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT NIGHT IN THAT MEETING RECEIVED GREATER SCRUTINY THAN AN 11 ACRE, UH, POWER POWER STATION. 
          UM, I MOVED MY FAMILY HERE, UH, A FEW YEARS AGO, UH, TO RAISE SOME CATTLE, UH, AND A RAMBUNCTIOUS 8-YEAR-OLD. 
          AND, UH, BEFORE I CAME HERE, I WAS A LITIGATOR, UM, AT A BIG WALL STREET LAW FIRM. 
          AND SO I'M, I'M SORT OF VIEWING THIS ISSUE JUST CANDIDLY FOR YOU, UH, THROUGH THE EYES OF AN ATTORNEY. 
          AND SO, UM, I HAVE REVIEWED THE STATUTES, REVIEWED THE, THE, THE, UM, COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND THEN I WENT THROUGH EVERY SINGLE LINE OF THE MEETING, UH, ON APRIL 8TH. 
          UH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE EACH OF YOU TO PRIVATELY LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID THERE. 
          I DON'T WANT TO EMBARRASS ANYONE, SO I'M NOT GONNA MENTION ANY NAMES. 
          UH, BUT THERE WERE SOME, UH, MORTIFYING THINGS, UH, THAT WERE SAID AT THAT MEETING, UH, THAT I THINK WOULD HAVE A VERY DIFFICULT TIME WITHSTANDING ANY SORT OF PUBLIC SCRUTINY. 
          UM, I'M GONNA VERY, VERY CLEAR HERE. 
          UH, THERE'S THREE THINGS THAT I WANNA SAY, UH, BRIEFLY. 
          UM, UNDER VIRGINIA LAW, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD TO LOOK AT THE ELECTRIC, UM, SUBSTATION APPLICATION, UH, IN LIGHT OF THE TOTALITY OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. 
          THAT WAS THEIR JOB. 
          UH, THEY CONSI THE APPLICANT, THE ELECTRIC COMPANY, UM, EXPLAINED, UH, ONE ELEMENT OF THE PLAN. 
          AND THAT WAS, WE NEED INFRASTRUCTURE, WE NEED POWER, AND THEY IGNORED EVERYTHING ELSE. 
          AND THERE'S A LONG LIST OF DOZENS AND DOZENS OF OTHER CONSIDERATIONS, UH, THAT THEY DID NOT, UM, CONSIDER THREE BRIEF POINTS TO MAKE. 
          UH, NUMBER ONE, THIS VOTE WAS A VERY THIN VOTE. 
          ONLY TWO OUT OF FIVE COMMISSIONERS ACTUALLY VOTED FOR THIS. 
          UH, ONE WAS ABSENT, UH, ONE ABSTAINED ON PRINCIPLE BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH IS QUITE TELLING. 
          AND THEN TWO WERE FOUR AND ONE WAS AGAINST, UH, NUMBER TWO, THE COMMISSION ADMITTED AT THE HEARING THAT THE RECORD WAS VERY THIN. 
          AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS A LITTLE TOUCHY. 
          UH, THEY ACTUALLY, UH, JOKED, UM, THAT, UH, THE PUBLIC AND I QUOTE, CAN'T STOP US. 
          UM, ONE COMMISSIONER SAID, THIS IS VERY GENERIC. 
          WANNA SEE MORE INFORMATION? UH, THE PUBLIC DOESN'T KNOW THAT WE'RE REVIEWING THIS TONIGHT. 
          A COMMISSIONER SAID, UH, ANOTHER RETORTED, UH, AND I QUOTE, UH, PUBLIC HEARINGS. 
          UH, DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA BENEFIT FROM THAT. 
          AND, UH, YOU'RE GONNA GET A LOT OF FIRE BACK FROM PEOPLE THAT CAN'T STOP US. 
          SO, AS ANYONE WHO'S, WHO CARES ABOUT TRANSPARENCY, UH, AND GOOD GOVERNMENT, UH, GOVERNANCE, UH, TERMS LIKE THAT SHOULD MORTIFY US ALL. 
          SO THE SOLUTION HERE IS VERY, VERY SIMPLE, UH, TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ON REMAND, UH, AND HAVE THEM CONDUCT A PROPER HEARING. 
          AND REVOTE, THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS MIKE SALAND. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MIKE SOUNDS NORTH RIVER DIS DISTRICT. 
          UH, CHAIRWOMAN STATED MONDAY NIGHT, CITIZENS DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW INFLATION WORKS. 
          SHE STATED, WHEN INFLATION GOES UP, THIS MEANS WE NEED TO RAISE TAXES. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          INFLATION JUST MEANS THE TRUE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR IS DECREASED WHEN INFLATION OCCURS, THE COST OF GOODS GOES UP, AS DOES THE VALUE OF HOMES, PROPERTIES, CARS, RVS, MEALS, AND EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IT'S TAXED BY THE GOVERNMENT. 
          TAXES OPERATE ON A PERCENTAGE. 
          FOR THOSE ON THE DIOCESE WHO MAY NOT KNOW THE WORD PERCENTAGE COMES FROM THE LATIN PHRASE, SENTUM, MEANING BY THE HUNDRED OR FOR EVERY HUNDRED, UNDERSTANDING THE WORD HELPS, ONE, UNDERSTAND WHAT THE COST OF AN ITEM GOES UP. 
          TAX ONSET ITEM INCREASES AT THE SAME RATE. 
          HENCE, YOU DON'T NEED TO INCREASE TAXES. 
          THERE ARE TWO PEOPLE ON THE DIOCESE WHO UNDERSTAND THIS CONCEPT AND THEIR NAMES RHYME WITH JOHN AND RICH. 
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YOU DO NOT NEED TO RAISE TAXES. 
          YOU NEED TO LEARN HOW TO OPERATE OFF THE MONEY YOU HAVE ALREADY STOLEN. 
          UH, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          I ALSO WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROPOSED AIRPORT FUNDING. 
          UH, DON'T QUOTE ME ON THIS, BUT I'M PRETTY SURE A VAST MAJORITY OF THE COUNTY RESIDENTS HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AIRPORT AND AREN'T INTERESTED IN INVESTING THEIR HARD EARNED MONEY IN THE AIRPORT. 
          UM, AND ANY RATE, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THE PUBLIC UNDERSTANDS GOVERNMENT, GOVERNMENT PRODUCES NOTHING. 
          ALL THEY DO TO MAKE MONEY IS SIT ON A DAIS AND TRY TO NEGOTIATE THE LEVEL OF THEFT THEY PLAN ON PURSUING TAXES OR THEFT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT STEP IS MIKE DORSEY. 
          YEAH, HI. 
          I LIVE AT, UM, 14 APACHE COURT IN SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. 
          SO I MOVED OUT HERE ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, AND I MOVED HERE FROM REMINGTON, WHERE ON ALL THREE SIDES OF ME, THEY WERE BRINGING IN THESE DATA CENTERS. 
          I MOVE OUT HERE AND ALL OF A SUDDEN I START HEARING ABOUT DATA CENTERS, WHAT I WAS RUNNING FROM. 
          UH, SO FIRST IT WAS THE DATA CENTERS. 
          AND I'VE TRIED TO COME UP HERE AND BE PATIENT WITH THIS, HOPING THAT EVERYBODY'S GONNA LOVE THE RURAL AREA AND NOT WANT TO FIGHT. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE FOUGHT AGAINST. 
          NOW I'M HEARING THAT AFTER THE LAST TWO YEARS OR THREE YEARS, THESE APPRAISALS THAT HAVE COME OUT STRATEGICALLY SEEM LIKE, OH, WE DIDN'T RAISE TAXES, WE JUST CAME OUT AND REASSESSED YOUR HOME. 
          NOW IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE A LOT OF CONSERVATIVES, IS WHAT I'M, MY UNDERSTANDING, SITTING IN FRONT OF ME ARE GONNA VOTE TO RAISE A VERY HIGH TAX INCREASE ON THE HIGH APPRAISALS THAT THEY JUST DID, WHICH SEEMS VERY BACKWARDS TO ME. 
          I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE INCREASE OF GOING TO THE SCHOOLS. 
          UH, MY KIDS ARE HOMESCHOOLED, SO IT DOESN'T REALLY CONCERN ME. 
          UH, WHAT CONCERNS ME IS THE FACT THAT I, I MOVED ALREADY AN HOUR, HOUR AND A HALF FROM WHERE I HAVE TO WORK EVERY DAY MOST OF THE TIME, WHICH IS NORTHERN VIRGINIA. 
          MY VEHICLE HAS A QUARTER MILLION MILES ON IT. 
          WHEN I HAVE MORE DEBT THAT COMES IN, WHEN YOU GUYS RAISE IT, I HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT. 
          THAT'S JUST HOW IT IS. 
          AND SO EVERYBODY'S SITTING IN FRONT OF ME. 
          I'M REALLY HOPING THAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA VOTE FOR A 20% TAX INCREASE. 
          NEEDS TO BE FOUND SOMEWHERE ELSE. 
          AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I GOTTA SAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS NATHAN EVANS. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          NATHAN EVANS FROM, UH, NORTH RIVER. 
          UM, I LIKE, UH, MR. ROCKEFELLER WOULD LIKE TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE ELECTRICAL, UH, POWER STATION. 
          AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE JOB THAT YOU ALL DO AND THE PROCESSES THAT YOU SET UP THAT ARE VERY TRANSPARENT. 
          UM, I'M VERY CONCERNED THAT THIS PROPERTY TWICE IN THE LAST YEAR AND A HALF HAS HAD, UH, THE OWNERS TRIED TO DO SOMETHING AND IT'S BEEN OFF OF THE LIGHTED PATH BOTH TIMES. 
          UM, AND I FIND THAT CONCERNING, UH, THAT BOTH TIMES THEY'VE TRIED TO DO SOMETHING, IT'S IN AN OPAQUE WAY. 
          UM, AND I TOO WOULD JUST HOPE THAT WE WOULD GET IT KIND OF BACK ON THE LIGHTED PATH AND SEND THIS ONE BACK, UM, BACK TO THE BOARD TO LOOK AT IN AN OPEN HEARING AGAIN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          NEXT UP IS CHRIS ANDERSON. 
          GOOD EVENING. 
          MY NAME IS CHRIS ANDERSON. 
          I AM WITH THE ALLIANCE FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY. 
          I AM THE PAGE AND WARREN COUNTY COORDINATOR AND OUR HEADQUARTERS ARE IN NEW MARKET. 
          UM, I WAS ALSO SURPRISED AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE DECISION TO, UH, SEND, UH, OR APPROVE THE 11 ACRE ELECTRIC SUBSTATION ON ASHBY STATION ROAD WITHOUT A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UM, IT'S AN INDUSTRIAL USE. 
          THIS PROPERTY IS ZONED AGRICULTURE. 
          SO THIS IS A RADICAL LAND USE CHANGE. 
          SO A PUBLIC HEARING WAS IT, IT WAS VERY IMPORTANT. 
          UM, THIS LAND IS PART OF THE GREATER ROCKLAND COMMUNITY, UH, ONE OF THE MOST HISTORIC AND BEST PRESERVED AGRICULTURAL CORES IN THE STATE WITH CONSERVATION EASEMENTS AND THE FIRST AG FORESTAL DISTRICT IN THE ENTIRE STATE. 
          SO THESE FOLKS ARE, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE GOT A, A VESTED INTEREST IN KNOWING WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THEIR COMMUNITY. 
          UM, NOT ONLY KNOW ABOUT, BUT TO FULLY UNDERSTAND, HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY 
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TO ASK QUESTIONS, UM, AND, UH, EXPRESS CONCERNS ABOUT THESE TYPE OF PROPOSALS THAT COME FORWARD. 
          SO I ALSO URGE YOU TO SEND THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND ACTUALLY TREAT THIS LIKE A NORMAL CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING AT THE BOARD LEVEL AS WELL IN ORDER FOR THE COMMUNITY TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL AND, UM, SIGNIFICANT LAND USE CHANGE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS. 
          MA'AM, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I THINK IF YOU'LL BE NEXT. 
          HE WAS UP FIRST CAMDEN WHITAKER, PRESIDENT OF THE WARREN COUNTY PROFESSIONAL FIREFIGHTERS GOOD EVENING BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT TO SPEAK TO THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING THE PROGRESS THAT HAS BEEN RECENTLY MADE TOWARDS THE FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES YOU'RE FACING AND THE NEED TO COM, THE NEED TO BALANCE MANY COMPETING PRIORITIES IN THE BUDGET CYCLE. 
          OVER THE LAST 36 HOURS ALONE, OUR SYSTEM HAS RESPONDED TO THREE WORKING STRUCTURE FIRES. 
          THESE ARE SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS THAT REQUIRE A LARGE NUMBER OF PERSONNEL ARE VERY TIME CONSUMING AND PLACED A CONSIDERABLE STRAIN ON THE RESOURCES IN OUR STAFF. 
          IT'S A CLEAR REMINDER THAT THE DEMAND ON OUR SYSTEM IS CONSTANT AND IT'S SOMETIMES OVERWHELMING. 
          THE PROPOSED INCREASE IN STAFFING TO THE FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM IS NOT A WANT, BUT A NEED. 
          THE PROPOSED INVESTMENT IN THE SYSTEM DIRECTLY IMPACTS RESPONSE CAPABILITIES, FIREFIGHTER SAFETY, AND ULTIMATELY THE LEVEL OF SERVICE PROVIDED TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTY. 
          MOMENTS LIKE THESE, HIGHLIGHT HOW CRITICAL IT IS TO CONTINUE BUILDING ON THAT PROGRESS AND ENSURE OUR SYSTEM REMAINS CAPABLE OF MEETING THE NEEDS OF THIS COMMUNITY, BOTH TODAY AND IN THE FUTURE. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOUR CONTINUED SUPPORT AND YOUR COMMITMENT TO PUBLIC SAFETY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND YES, MA'AM. 
          HELLO, . 
          UH, MY NAME IS JUDY CANTERBURY AND I LIVE ON ASHBY STATION ROAD WHERE THE PROPOSED, UM, ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION MAY OCCUR. 
          AND I JUST WANTED TO COME TO SAY HOW DISAPPOINTED I WAS TO HEAR THAT THE PEOPLE THAT WE VOTED INTO OFFICE, YOU KNOW, YOU GUYS ARE ELECTED, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO PROTECT THE WHOLE COUNTY, AND I UNDERSTAND WE NEED ELECTRIC AND THOSE PEOPLE, UH, YOU KNOW, I WANT THAT NEED FILLED, BUT YOU HAVE TO LOOK OUT FOR US TOO, THE ONES WHO IT'S GONNA AFFECT. 
          AND TO HEAR THAT THINGS WERE OCCURRING BEHIND, CLOSED DOORS IN THE DARK AND IN THIS SECRETIVE SORT OF VERY DISRESPECTFUL MANNER, UH, THAT DOESN'T DO A LOT FOR MY TRUST IN THE PEOPLE THAT I VOTE FOR. 
          AND I KNOW THERE MAY NOT BE A LEGAL REQUIREMENT FOR THAT TO BE HEARD. 
          YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE'S THINGS IN PLACE, YOU KNOW, GREATER GOOD FOR THE PEOPLE AND ALL, BUT THERE IT'S COURTESY, RIGHT? THERE'S A COURTESY FOR THE PEOPLE THAT YOU REPRESENT. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S A, IF IT'S A GOOD IDEA, IT SHOULDN'T BE BEHIND CLOSED DOORS AND IN THE DARK, RIGHT? AND EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T HAVE TO, SOMETIMES YOU DO THINGS JUST 'CAUSE THEY'RE RIGHT TO DO. 
          I'D LIKE TO SEE THIS GO BACK, YOU KNOW, LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          LET'S NOT ZERO IN, LET'S NOT STAY ON THIS COURSE. 
          YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S WALK IT BACK, LOOK AT IT FROM A WIDER VIEW, GET SOME INPUT, AND AT LEAST INFORMATION OUT THERE. 
          LET US BE A PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU MIGHT BE SURPRISED, THAT'S ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? HELLO NEWS. 
          HAPPY CREEK. 
          WARREN COUNTY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UH, I DIDN'T PLAN ANY, UH, SPEECH. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA RIFF IT. 
          SO, UM, I AM WONDERING WHAT'S SO SECRETIVE THAT NEEDS TO BE DISCUSSED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS? I THINK THE PUBLIC DESERVES TO KNOW WHAT IT IS, AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T THREATEN ANYONE'S LIFE OR 
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ANYTHING LIKE THAT BECAUSE THEIR LIVES ARE BEING DIRECTLY AFFECTED. 
          YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BRINGING A DATA CENTER IN HERE, POTENTIALLY PEOPLE IN THIS ROOM HAVE ELECTED OFFICIALS HAVE ADVOCATED FOR DATA CENTERS. 
          IT IS MY HOPE THAT WE DO NOT FIND OUT THAT THEM OR FRIENDS OF THEIRS ARE FISCALLY BENEFITING FROM THAT. 
          BECAUSE IF THAT IS THE CASE, BREITBART NEWS WILL REPORT ON IT. 
          I PROMISE YOU THAT. 
          I'M HERE TO DEFEND THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY WHO ALREADY DEALING WITH SKYROCKETING PROPERTY VALUES. 
          THEY'RE PAYING HUNDREDS, THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS MORE EVERY YEAR. 
          AND ON TOP OF THAT, YOU CAN RAISE THEIR PROPERTY TAXES NOW 21% BEFORE YOU HAVE EVEN COMPLETED AN AUDIT IN THE PAST TWO YEARS. 
          HECK, WE DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO THE MONEY WITH THE EPAS EDA SCANDAL COMPLETELY. 
          SO WHY ARE YOU GUYS RAISING TAXES WHEN WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW FULLY WHAT, WHERE THAT MONEY IS? WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LAST GUY THAT WAS DOING AN AUDIT? WHY DID HE SUDDENLY LEAVE? WAS HE DOING TOO GOOD OF A JOB? I'D LIKE TO KNOW THAT. 
          WAS HE A LITTLE TOO SCRUPULOUS? TELL ME. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS NEED TO ADDRESS THAT. 
          WHY DID HE LEAVE? YOU GUYS BROUGHT HIM ON. 
          DID HE FIND SOMETHING THAT HE DIDN'T LIKE? WELL, ARE WE DEALING WITH HER GUYS? WE HAD A PUBLIC MEETING WHERE A GUY SAID HE HAD LESS THAN A DOLLAR IN HIS BANK ACCOUNT. 
          YOU'RE GONNA RAISE HIS TAXES, YOU'RE GONNA MAKE HIM MAKE SOME MAJOR SACRIFICES IN HIS LIFE. 
          HOW DARE YOU. 
          HOW DARE YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. 
          THIRD AND FINAL. 
          OKAY. 
          PUBLIC COMMENT PERIODS OVER 
          [I.1. CUP2026-02-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 77 Shiloh Lane - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 77 Shiloh Lane and is identified on tax map 43 as lot 51A1. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl, Interim Planning Director]
AND WE'RE UP TO PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND THAT IS CUP 2026 DASH OH TWO DASH OH ONE SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 77 SHALLOW LANE. 
          AND A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE, UM, ON PROPERTY 77 HIL LANE ON TAX MAP 43 AS LOT 51 A ONE. 
          AND IT'S IN THE AGRICULTURAL ZONED AREA OF SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MRS. WALL. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. 
          THE APPLICANT'S ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY THEY RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED. 
          THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR SHORT-TERM LODGING, UH, TO OFFER A SAFE AND WELCOMING LODGING OPTION TO THE VISITORS OF WARREN COUNTY, WHILE ALSO SUPPORTING THE LOCAL ECONOMY. 
          THE OWNERS AND A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS AND MANAGEMENT OF THE PROPERTY. 
          THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2025 AND NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          THERE ARE THREE APPROVED AND ACTIVE SHORT TERM TAURIST RENTALS. 
          ADJACENT TO THE SUBJECT DWELLING, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF EIGHT OCCUPANTS FOR THE FOUR BEDROOM DWELLING. 
          THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. 
          THE APPLICANT HAS HIRED A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WHO RESIDES WITHIN THE TOWN OF LARAY 22 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT DWELLING. 
          THE PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA. 
          THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS. 
          THE CLOSEST BEING 224 FEET TO THE NORTH PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. 
          NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. 
          NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. 
          THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. 
          NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND, UH, COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. 
          AND LASTLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICE IS TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. 
          THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED. 
          I AM NOT QUITE SURE IF THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US, BUT I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. 
          YES, SHE'S HERE. 
          IS WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY ANYTHING AT 
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THIS TIME? NO. 
          WE JUST LOVE THIS AREA AND WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE APPROVED. 
          UM, AND HOPEFULLY THEY RETIRE WHEN THEY THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME FROM THE BOARD FOR MS. WALL? IF NOT MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM. 
          JOHN JENKINS. 
          JOHN JENKINS SUBURB DISTRICT. 
          UH, ONCE AGAIN, I'M HERE TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SHORT TERM RENTALS. 
          AS I'VE SAID BEFORE, I'M OPPOSED TO THOSE, UH, REGARDLESS OF WHERE THEY'RE LOCATED, WHO OWNS THEM, DOESN'T REALLY MATTER TO ME, BUT, UH, AFTER THE LAST COUPLE YEARS AND THEY JUST, THEY KEEP BEING APPROVED AND THERE ARE FIVE MORE THAT ARE GONNA BE ADVERTISED THAT ARE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT. 
          I THINK THERE'S FIVE OR SIX OF 'EM. 
          SO I'VE SORT OF TURNED THE CORNER AND WANNA GO IN A DIFFERENT DIRECTION. 
          SO I LOOKED AT IT AND, UH, 200 UNITS ARE OUT THERE. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN APPROVED OR ON THE BOOKS. 
          UH, BASICALLY THAT DISPLACES 200 FAMILIES. 
          NOW, IF THEY WERE NOT RENTALS AND WE HAD 200 FAMILIES LIVING THERE, LIVING IN THE COUNTY, AND I FIGURED THEY WOULD AT LEAST, THEY WOULD HAVE ONE CHILD THAT WOULD BE ATTENDING WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS. 
          SO THAT WOULD PUT AN ADDITIONAL 200 CHILDREN IN WARREN COUNTY SCHOOLS. 
          SO CURRENTLY THE WAY THE SCHOOL'S SET UP, THE TEACHER TO STUDENT RATIO IS, UH, 10 STUDENTS, ONE TEACHER. 
          SO IF WE PUT 200 MORE STUDENTS IN SCHOOLS, THAT MEANS YOU'VE GOT TO HIRE 20 MORE TEACHERS AND THEN YOU WOULD'VE TO HIRE, UH, AN ASSISTANT FOR THAT TEACHER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ASSISTANTS MAKE, BUT I THINK THE, FROM WHAT THE RECORDS THAT I'VE SEEN, THE, UH, TEACHERS OR SALARIES ARE AT $66,500. 
          SO WE HAD TO HIRE 20 MORE TEACHERS. 
          THAT'S GONNA PUT A COST OF $1,386,000. 
          SO THAT'S ACTUALLY A TAX SAVINGS. 
          WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE'VE GOT THESE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS. 
          SO FROM THIS ANGLE, FROM THE WAY I LOOK AT IT, APPROVE AS MANY OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU CAN BECAUSE I LIVE IN A COMMUNITY THAT DOES NOT ALLOW SHORT TERM TOUR RENTALS. 
          SO WHEREVER THESE THINGS ARE LOCATED, THEY'RE NOT GONNA HAVE AN IMPACT ON MY QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          SO APPROVE AS MANY AS YOU LIKE, IT'LL HELP ME ON MY TAX DOLLARS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? OH, I'M SORRY. 
          DID ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP? THAT'S ANYONE? ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK? IF NOT, WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING. 
          ANY COMMENTS? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH 2 0 1 FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. 
          SECOND. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          I'LL SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          [J.1. Appropriations and Transfers]
NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS. 
          ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON, ON THOSE? AND IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER AYE. 
          [J.2. Approval of Accounts]
APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS? ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THOSE OR ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE 
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THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE ACCOUNTS AS PRESENTED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR. 
          I KNOW. 
          MR. HENRY. 
          AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          [K.1. CY 2026 Tax Rates - Sherry Sours, Commissioner of the Revenue]
UNFINISHED BUSINESS. 
          THE 2026 TAX RATES. 
          AND MS. SERS IS HERE. 
          I GUESS IF WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR ANY, LET'S SEE. 
          THE FIRST ONE, WHY HAVE, I DUNNO WHERE I'M AT HERE ON THERE. 
          SKIP DOWN FOR SOME REASON. 
          SO, UM, DR. MARTIN, DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING BEFORE WE GET IN WITH ANYTHING ON THIS? ON THE TAX RATES? YES. 
          JUST BEFORE WE, OTHER THAN THANKING STAFF FOR, AND ALL THE DEPARTMENT HEADS FOR PUTTING TOGETHER A NEEDS-BASED BUDGET, UM, I REALIZED THAT THE TAX INCREASE, THAT IS NOT WHAT WE HAD HOPED FOR, BUT, UM, ON BEHALF OF THE COUNTY AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, I THINK WE HAVE SCRUBBED OUR BUDGETS AND IT IS NOT A BUDGET BASED ON WANTS, BUT ON NEEDS TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE SERVICES, UH, REQUIRED SERVICES TO THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO, DISCUSSION ON THIS, IF NOT ANY DISCUSSION, WHERE ARE WE HERE? WELL, I, OH, I THINK WE'VE ALL AGREED ON THE NEED. 
          YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I DON'T, UH, AT THIS POINT, I DON'T THINK, UH, OR I DON'T, I'M NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE BASED ON THE STAFF AND THE RESEARCH AND THE, YOU KNOW, STUDY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT AND, UH, MANDATES FROM SCHOOLS ALL, UH, I CAN'T ARGUE THE, THE 103, UH, THAT, THAT IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE ALL AGREED ON THAT. 
          THERE'S BEEN A COUPLE FUNDING OPTIONS. 
          UH, OF COURSE YOU COULD TAX IT ALL. 
          UH, AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION WAS TO PULL SOME OUTTA THE PIGGY BANK, SO TO SPEAK. 
          UH, HOW THE FUND BALANCE, OH, DR. 
          JAMESON, UH, HAD WORKED HARD TO, TO SHOW SOME POTENTIAL, YOU KNOW, CURVES IN OUR BALANCE. 
          UH, ESPECIALLY WITH THE, UH, OUR AUDIT BEING A LITTLE BEHIND TO GET REAL CLEAR NUMBERS. 
          UM, IT DID SHOW A LOW NUMBER IN THE LOW 20 SOME MILLION DOLLARS. 
          SO I'M, I'M CONFIDENT THERE IS SOME MONEY THERE. 
          UM, I DON'T THINK THE, THE GRAPH DEPICTS THE TRUE LOW, UM, BECAUSE 76% OF THE FUND IS FROM REAL ESTATE TAX. 
          SO, UM, THE ONLY WAY YOU'D HAVE A TRUE BOTTOM LOOKING AT THAT GRAPH IS IF NOBODY PAID THEIR TAXES EARLY. 
          AND THAT WAS THE ONLY WAY WE GOT FUNDED. 
          SO IF IT, YOU KNOW, ALL THE MONEY CAME IN TWO DAYS A YEAR AND NONE THE DAY BEFORE. 
          THE DAY BEFORE WOULD BE THE TRUE LOW. 
          SO, UH, STAFF HAD INDICATED A SAFE NUMBER WAS THREE AND A HALF MILLION. 
          UH, WE WERE GONNA, WE WERE GONNA USE SOME OF THAT MONEY TO, TO FIX SOME INFRASTRUCTURE ISSUES. 
          'CAUSE OUR ONE TIME EXPENDITURES. 
          UH, I DO THINK, I DO FEEL PRETTY COMFORTABLE PULLING A PENNY OUT. 
          UH, WISH WISHED I FELT COMFORTABLE PULLING MORE. 
          UH, I THINK WE COULD. 
          UH, THERE'S ENOUGH IN FUND BALANCE, A PENNY BEING, UH, $750,000. 
          UH, AND HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, IN THREE YEARS WE GOT SOME DEBT SERVICE THAT FALLS OFF. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO GET A BRIDGE TO THERE. 
          UH, AND I DON'T THINK, I DON'T THINK WE CAN QUITE REACH IT WITH THE NICKEL, UH, OTHER THINGS COMING DOWN THE ROAD. 
          UH, AND IT'S NOTHING THAT THIS BOARD APPROVED IT, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, IT'S STUFF THAT'S BEEN APPROVED FOR YEARS. 
          IT'S ANOTHER SECTION OF SUBDIVISION BEING BUILT. 
          UH, I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO A HUNDRED UNITS. 
          UH, I THINK THERE WAS ANOTHER PLACE THAT'S 30 SOME TOWNHOUSES AND THEN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX BEHIND RURAL KING. 
          UH, I THINK OF 90 UNITS AND COURSE. 
          SO 
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THE MAN SHOWS THE, THE MORE HOUSING, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S MORE SERVICES REQUIRED TO KNOW IT'S COLLECTED OUTTA HOUSING. 
          SO, UH, YOU KNOW, EARLIER COMMENT, MR. JENKINS AREA WAS INDICATING THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, AS THAT STUDENT POPULATION INCREASE, THERE'D BE NEED FOR MORE TEACHERS BUSES, UH, SO ON AND SO FORTH. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW, WITH THOSE PROJECTS JUST STARTING, YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S A NEED THIS YEAR, BUT, UH, IT WILL BE A NEED IN THE FUTURE. 
          UH, AND I KNOW IT'S A BIG INCREASE. 
          UH, I, I, I DON'T LIKE IT, BUT, UH, I, I CAN'T DISPUTE THE NEED. 
          I CAN'T, YOU KNOW, THE, THE FIRE CHIEFS BASICALLY INDICATED WE'RE NOT SAFE. 
          UH, THE, UH, AND THEN SOME OF THE OTHER, YOU KNOW, DSS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A MANDATE, UH, FOR SOME OF THEIR INCREASE. 
          UH, AND THEN ANOTHER BIG INCREASE IN THIS BUDGET WOULD BE OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, FOR THE SCHOOL TEACHERS. 
          UH, AND I THINK IT WAS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING, IT'S A NATIONAL PROBLEM, UH, OF HEALTH INSURANCE, UH, WENT UP, I THINK IT WAS 23%, AND THEN THE LOCAL COUNTY WAS, I THINK IN THE LOW TEENS. 
          UH, BUT I WOULD, UH, IN THIS, IN THIS PROPOSAL OF THE 9 CENTS, UH, AND USING THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS FOR, UH, SOME OF THE ROOFS AND, UH, SOME OF THE ASSET REPLACEMENT FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, I WOULD LIKE TO, WHEN WE, WE DON'T HAVE AN MO FROM HANOCK COUNTY, WE HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO NEGOTIATE THAT, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, UH, WE COULD USE THAT FUND BALANCE FOR ONE TIME FUND, UH, IF WE, FIRE DEPARTMENT NEEDS SIX MORE POSITIONS. 
          OH, THIS BUDGET DOESN'T START TILL JULY 1ST AND THEN HIRE TRAINING. 
          NOT SURE WHAT THE TURNAROUND ON IS ON THAT. 
          SO, UH, WE DEFINITELY NEED FOR THE COVERAGE, LIKE SEE 'EM FUNDED THROUGH THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, FOR SOME OVERLAPS OF TRANSITION AS THE, UH, FRONT ROW, YOU KNOW, STATION ONES EXPANDS ITS SERVICES, UH, IT'D BE A SECURITY. 
          I, I THINK WE WOULD WANNA SHARE PROGRAM. 
          SO MAYBE AS THAT, UH, AS THOSE NEW STAFF ARE HIRED, UH, IF THEIR NEEDS LESS, IT SHOULD SHOW AND IT SHOULD REFLECT IN THE COST. 
          I'M HOPING. 
          UM, AND THEN MAYBE THE FOLLOWING YEAR, MAYBE WE CAN PHASE IT OUT. 
          BUT, UH, BUT I WOULD PROPOSE, I, I'M COMFORTABLE WITH 9 CENTS, UM, USE THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE ONE TIME EXPENDITURE. 
          SO THE, UH, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS AND ASSET REPLACEMENTS THAT WE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT WERE PULLED OUTTA THE INITIAL BUDGET. 
          AND, UH, AND HOPEFULLY A DISCUSSION THAT MAYBE WE CAN WORK A DEAL WITH CHESTER GAP, THE REMAINDER OF THIS FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND MAYBE GOING, YOU KNOW, FROM JULY 1ST FORWARD TO HELP THE TRANSITION, UH, AS WE EXPAND OUR OWN DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I'D BE OPEN TO LISTEN TO ANY OTHER IDEAS. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MR. MEYER? UM, I HAVEN'T BEEN GIVEN A COMPELLING REASON TO, TO DISTRUST THE ANALYSIS THAT MR. JAMESON DID, THAT WE CAN MEET THE $103 MILLION BUDGET, UH, WITH A 5 CENT TAX RATE INCREASE. 
          AND SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE. 
          UM, THANK YOU MR. JAMISON. 
          I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE ANY COMMENT, SIR. 
          I, UM, I WOULD, I, I BELIEVE, UM, THAT THIS IS POSSIBLE TO DO WITH THE FIVE SYNTAX INCREASE. 
          I'M, I'VE MADE A PROPOSAL. 
          UM, I TRIED TO PROVIDE A LOT OF INFORMATION BEHIND IT, A LOT OF ANALYSIS BEHIND IT. 
          I DO RECOGNIZE IT'S DIFFERENT, SO IT'S GONNA ALWAYS BE DIFFICULT TO DO THINGS THAT ARE DIFFERENT. 
          UM, I DO, I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THING, UH, WHAT'S THAT? UM, THE FINANCIAL ADVISOR THAT CAME AND TALKED TO US TALKED ABOUT THE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE DAVENPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HE MENTIONED THAT THE ANALYTICAL WAY THAT, UH, RATING AGENCIES OPERATE THESE DAYS. 
          AND, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE, YOU KNOW, WE SHOULD TAKE TO HEART. 
          'CAUSE WE NEVER, WE'VE NEVER SEEN A BALANCE. 
          YOU KNOW, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CASH FLOW ANALYSIS, NEVER SEEN A BALANCE BELOW $20 MILLION. 
          I MEAN, UM, I THINK WE'RE, THERE'S AN, A TENDENCY TOWARD EXCESSIVE RISK AVERSENESS. 
          UM, BUT ALSO PART OF MY PROPOSAL ENTAILED MAKING COMMITMENTS AND, UM, STRIKING OUT WITH 
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A PLAN TO GET OFFSETTING REVENUE AND STATING THAT IF IT DOESN'T PAN OUT, THEN RAISE THE TEXT WHEN NEEDED AT THAT TIME. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT, AND ALSO THERE WERE, THERE WERE OTHER ELEMENTS THERE IN TERMS OF SOME REQUIREMENTS, UH, BEFORE I'D BE WILLING TO RAISE TAXES. 
          AND ONE OF THOSE WAS THIS AGREED UPON PROCEDURES THING, WHICH IS A, SOME, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN THROWN AROUND THE WORD FORENSIC AUDIT, UH, AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURES ENGAGEMENT CAN BE SOMETHING LIKE A MINI FORENSIC AUDIT, BUT IT'S NOT ORIENTED TOWARDS FRAUD OR CORRUPTION. 
          IT'S JUST ORIENTED TOWARDS FINDING SOLUTIONS AND, UH, DOCUMENTING THEM. 
          AND ANYWAY, IT'S KIND OF A WHOLE PACKAGE THAT I, THAT I PUT ON THE TABLE. 
          AND I, AND I'M CERTAINLY IN THE TIME LEADING UP TO THIS, I FEEL LIKE IT'S, IT IS NOT, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD AS A, AS A PACKAGE. 
          UM, BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S THE WORK THAT I PUT IN WAS TO SHOW THAT WAS VIABLE. 
          I DO BELIEVE IT'S VIABLE. 
          SO, UM, THAT'S STILL WHERE I'M SITTING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. CARTER, YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS THAT YOU WANTED TO SHARE? UH, JUST, I GUESS I DON'T LIKE THE RATE INCREASE EITHER, BUT I THINK TO SOME EXTENT WE ARE CATCHING UP, UH, TO REMAIN COMPETITIVE CASE IN POINT TO SCHOOLS, SALARIES, BENEFITS. 
          UM, THE THING WITH THIS FIRE AND SAFETY, I KNOW THEY'VE HAD THIS STUDY AND THEY'RE ASKING, OR THE STUDY SHOWS THEY NEED A, A WHOLE BUNCH MORE FIREFIGHTERS, UH, EMTS. 
          BUT THERE AGAIN, WE'RE TAKING A STEP. 
          WE CAN'T DO IT ALL AT ONCE. 
          UM, AND I THINK, AND I DO APPRECIATE DR. 
          JAMESON'S EFFORTS, UM, BUT I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE FROM THE STANDPOINT AS FAR AS SOME OF THE MONEY I THOUGHT IN THE BUDGET WAS ALREADY EARMARKED FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS. 
          AND I THINK, LIKE MR. HENRY SAID, UM, ROOFS FOR THE SCHOOL AND THE GOVERNMENT CENTER, UM, I DO THINK THAT OUR MOST IMPORTANT ASSET WE HAVE IS OUR STAFF. 
          AND THAT WE NEED TO, UM, BE COMPETITIVE BECAUSE THE STAFF'S, OUR STAFF IS THE ONES THAT CARRY OUT OUR POLICIES AND THEY CARRY OUT OUR, UH, ORDINANCES AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE ARE DONE PROPERLY. 
          UM, AND I'D ALSO LIKE TO SEE, WELL, FIRST OFF, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE TAXPAYER'S MONEY AND WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL WITH IT AND SPEND IT WISELY. 
          AND THEN I'D ALSO PUT THAT BACK TOWARDS THE, THE STAFF AND THE DEPARTMENT HEADS ON DOWN TO TREAT THE MONEY AS IF IT WAS YOURS. 
          UH, WHETHER IT'S CHECKING YOUR INVENTORY, MAKING SURE THAT YOU NEED WHAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE, YOU'RE GONNA PROCURE. 
          UM, AND THE, THE INCENTIVE WOULD BE TO SOME EXTENT, JUST LIKE WE'VE DONE WITH THE SCHOOLS IN YEARS PAST, IF THERE'S SAVINGS AT THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR NEXT YEAR, UH, I WOULD, I WOULD BE ALL IN FAVOR OF, OF TURNING THAT BACK TO THE INDIVIDUAL DEPARTMENTS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT ACQUISITIONS. 
          UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE. 
          AND WELL, THE OTHER THING TOO, AND IT WAS MENTIONED TONIGHT, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE IN, IN, IN THE YEARS PAST WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD AND WE HAD, WE WERE FACED WITH A TAX INCREASE. 
          AND IT WAS A, A CONCERN THAT WE ARE PROVIDING BENEFITS HEALTH INSURANCE TO OUR EMPLOYEES WHEN THERE'S PEOPLE OUT THERE THAT MAY BE PAYING THESE TAXES AND THEY DON'T HAVE THOSE BENEFITS. 
          AND ESPECIALLY NOW WITH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED ON THE NATIONAL SCENE WITH SOME OF THE SUBSIDIES, PARTICULARLY WITH HEALTH INSURANCE, ALSO WITH, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING WITH, UH, UH, PEOPLE WHO GET MEDICAID BENEFITS, WHETHER IT'S SNAP FUNDS OR, OR OTHER BENEFITS, THAT SOME OF THOSE THINGS MAY BE CUT. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING TOO IS IN WARREN COUNTY, THERE'S ANYWHERE FROM 23 TO 25% THAT GET SOME FORM OF ASSISTANCE. 
          AND SO THOSE PEOPLE WILL BE HURTING EVEN MORE POSSIBLY. 
          BUT THERE AGAIN, I DON'T, I DON'T TAKE THIS LIGHTLY AND I HAVE LOOKED AT IT. 
          AND AGAIN, LET ME, UH, UH, EXPRESS MY APPRECIATION TO, WHAT'S YOUR NAME? OH, DR. MARTIN AND, UH, THE REST OF THE STAFF, ALYSSA, AND THE WHOLE THING FOR LOOKING AT THIS FOR SOME TIME, AND LET'S REMEMBER TOO, I GUESS INITIALLY YOU CAME BACK WITH ABOUT A 33 MILLION, UH, PROPOSAL OR, OR WISHLIST, WHICH I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I MEAN, THOSE THINGS ARE, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER, UH, WHAT THE DEPARTMENTS FEEL THEY NEED, BUT WE WERE ABLE TO PARE IT DOWN CONSIDERABLY TO WHAT IS REALLY, UH, NEEDED TO GET THROUGH. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THAT WAS THE OTHER THING TOO. 
          UH, HOPEFULLY THAT, UH, WE'LL BE ABLE TO WORK WITH THE TOWN 
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ON SOME OTHER, UH, REVENUE STREAMS AS FAR AS, UH, TOURISM AND PARTICULARLY ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          'CAUSE THAT THERE WILL BE THE, THE SAVING GRACE TO HELP RELIEVE SOME OF THE INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYERS, UM, BURDEN. 
          SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WELL, THERE WAS ANOTHER THING TOO, AND I THINK WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AND I DON'T WANT TO, UH, GET INTO THAT. 
          AND THERE WERE SOME GOOD POINTS MADE UP HAVE, WE LOOKED AT ALL POTENTIAL REVENUE SOURCES, AND I BELIEVE WE'VE STARTED THAT PROCESS. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THERE'LL BE SOME ADDITIONAL FUNDS AVAILABLE, WHICH WILL HELP AS WELL. 
          AND THEN THERE WAS SOMETHING ELSE. 
          WHAT WAS IT? UM, WITH THE, I'M SORRY. 
          WITH THE, UM, THE OTHER REVENUE SOURCES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. 
          OH, WELL, I'LL THINK ABOUT, I I'LL THINK OF IT ONCE THE MEETING'S OVER, BUT, UH, ANYWAY, I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. 
          I, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT TO LEFT TO SAY. 
          UM, 'CAUSE WE ALL FEEL THE SAME THING, WHETHER ANYONE BELIEVES IT OR NOT. 
          SITTING HERE LOOKING AND MAKING A DECISION ON RAISING TAX ON PEOPLE, IT, IT IS NOT AN EASY THING. 
          UM, IT'S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. 
          AND I CAN TELL YOU STAFF AND, AND ALL OF US HAVE PUT A LOT OF TIME INTO THIS, LOOKING AT EVERYWHERE WE CAN TO GET THIS DOWN AS LOW AS WE CAN. 
          AND PART OF THE PROBLEM AND IS, YOU KNOW, TRYING NOT TO RAISE TAXES. 
          I I, I'M GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE IT SEEMED LIKE MAYBE WE SHOULD HAVE RAISED IT A TINY BIT EVERY YEAR INSTEAD OF TRYING TO HOLD THINGS AS FLAT AS WE COULD. 
          AND THEN EVERYTHING BREAKS LOOSE AND YOU HAVE TO COME UP WITH A BIGGER NUMBER THAT IS SO MUCH HARDER, UM, TO DEAL WITH. 
          AND, AND IT, YOU KNOW, I SAW SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SOMEONE MADE THE, I DON'T UNDERSTAND INFLATION. 
          I UNDERSTAND INFLATION. 
          I WISH I COULD CONTROL IT. 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE ALL SEEN THE GAS PRICES AND THE ELECTRIC PRICES, THE FOOD PRICES. 
          I WENT TO THE GROCERY STORE TODAY AND I COULDN'T, YOU KNOW, UM, ONE EAR OF CORN WAS A DOLLAR AND A HALF, ONE EAR OF CORN. 
          I, I, YOU KNOW, USED TO BE ABLE TO BUY A DOZEN FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND THAT'S THE REALITY FOR ALL OF US. 
          AND WE TALK ABOUT FIXED INCOMES. 
          I THINK WE'RE ALL ON FIXED INCOMES. 
          WHETHER YOU'RE 65 AND YOU'VE GOT YOUR MEDICARE AND YOUR RETIREMENT KICKING IN, OR YOU'RE 30, YOU, YOU KNOW, A 30-YEAR-OLD CAN'T WALK UP TO THEIR BOSS AND SAY, GAS JUST WENT UP. 
          I NEED A RAISE THERE. 
          YOU KNOW, SO I, I SEE US ALL ON A FIXED INCOME. 
          AND I, I FEEL FOR EVERYONE, UM, WITH THIS, AND I DO APPRECIATE THE TIME, UH, MR. JAMESON PUT IN TO THIS. 
          AND I AM, I'M NOT A HUGE RISK TAKER WHEN IT COMES TO INVESTMENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          UM, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S MONEY. 
          UM, AND I, I LOOKED AND HAVE LISTENED VERY CLOSELY AND I JUST FEEL LIKE IT'S A HUGE RISK OF DIPPING TOO FAR INTO WHAT SEEMS LIKE A POT OF MONEY. 
          WHY DON'T YOU USE IT? IT'S THERE FOR THOSE TIMES WHEN EVERYTHING HAPPENS. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE ALL EXPERIENCED IT WHERE THE WASHING MACHINE BREAKS AND THEN TWO OTHER THINGS IS GONNA GO ON. 
          THE FURNACE IS GONNA GO, THE CAR'S GONNA GO. 
          IT'S SEEMS TO HAPPEN IN THREES. 
          AND THAT HAPPENS HERE AS WELL. 
          LAST YEAR, THE CHILLER AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT DIED $500,000 JUST FOR THAT ONE. 
          WE'VE GOT ONE THAT'S ALREADY DIED AT SKYLINE AND THE OTHER ONE'S LIMPING ALONG. 
          I THINK WE'VE GOT ONE AT HILL TO J THAT'S LIMPING ALONG. 
          AND IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY, THERE'S ONE, ANOTHER ONE SOMEWHERE. 
          IF THEY ALL GO, YOU'RE LOOKING AT TWO, $3 MILLION RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, AND THOSE HAVE TO BE FIXED. 
          'CAUSE IT'S NOT LIKE WHEN I WENT TO SCHOOL AND THERE WAS NO AIR CONDITIONING, YOU RAISE THE WINDOW. 
          THOSE DAYS ARE GONE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THE WINDOWS, BUT, UM, DON'T RAISE. 
          BUT FOR SECURITY REASONS, UNFORTUNATELY, AS FAR AS BENEFITS, UM, OUR, OUR, OUR STAFF, OUR SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT PEOPLE, OUR FIRE PEOPLE, THEY ARE OUR GREATEST ASSETS. 
          AND IN ORDER TO KEEP THEM, 
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YOU HAVE TO PAY 'EM. 
          BECAUSE, LET'S FACE IT, LOUDOUN COUNTY, FREDERICK COUNTY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO VERY FAR AT ALL TO MAKE MORE MONEY. 
          UM, SO WE, WE HAVE TO THINK ABOUT THAT. 
          TEACHERS AS WELL, THEY DON'T HAVE TO MAKE TOO FAR A TRIP. 
          AND THEY, YOU GET A GROUP THAT CARPOOLS AND I KNOW A GROUP THAT DID THAT. 
          UM, WE LOSE A LOT OF GOOD STAFF. 
          AND MAYBE NOT EVERYONE'S CHILDREN GOES TO PUBLIC SCHOOLS, BUT I THINK WE ALL AGREE, WE WANT THE OPPORTUNITY FOR OUR KIDS TO HAVE THE BEST EDUCATION THEY CAN GET. 
          AND IT COST, UM, THE AVERAGE STUDENT, IT'S JUST GOING THROUGH, DOESN'T KNOW WHAT THEY WANNA DO, AND THEY'RE TAKING GENERAL ED. 
          THEY MIGHT NOT COST AS MUCH AS THE STUDENT THAT WANTS TO GO BE AN AUTO MECHANIC, AND THEY HAVE TO HAVE THE SPECIALIZED EQUIPMENT TO LEARN THAT ON THAT STUDENT'S GONNA COST US A LITTLE MORE. 
          SO YOU CAN'T USE AN AVERAGE NUMBER TO FIGURE OUT HOW MUCH THE SCHOOL NEED. 
          IT'S, IT'S A RANGE ACROSS THE BOARD. 
          AND WE FLAT FUNDED THEM FOR SEVERAL YEARS, SO WE'RE MAKING UP FOR IT NOW WITH THE HIGHER RATE. 
          UM, SO IT IS, IT'S, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT. 
          BUT I, I WOULD ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT DO YOU FEEL COMFORTABLE DOING WITHOUT, SHOULD WE NOT HIRE MORE POLICE AND NOT HIRE MORE? WE HAD, IF I HEARD RIGHT TODAY, WE HAD TO CALL FREDERICK COUNTY IN TO MAKE A EMS CALL BECAUSE ALL OF OUR GUYS WERE OUT FIGHTING FIRES. 
          AND THANK GOODNESS FREDERICK COUNTY RESPONDED, UM, THAT'S THE DAY TO DAY WHEN WE HAD THE WILDFIRES. 
          WE HAD THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT MAKING EMS CALLS TAKING PEOPLE TO THE HOSPITAL BECAUSE THERE WAS NOBODY ELSE TO DO IT. 
          SO, SHOULD I CUT THAT? AND I'M NOT TRYING TO THROW OUT KNEE JERK THINGS, BUT THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOWN TO, TO GET IT DOWN TO WHAT WE ALL THINK WE CAN LIVE WITH. 
          AND BECAUSE WE DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND TELL YOU THERE'S NOT SOME FAT SOMEWHERE, BUT IT CAN'T BE MUCH BECAUSE WE'VE, WE'VE SCRUBBED IT PRETTY HARD AND A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING WITHOUT. 
          SO I JUST, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT I'VE SEEN A LOT OF REMARKS WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T CONSIDER THAT. 
          AND I, I JUST, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE HAVE, AND THIS IS PAINFUL FOR US AS WELL AS ANYBODY ELSE. 
          SO I GUESS WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE, YES, SIR, DID YOU THINK OF WHAT YOU WANNA SAY? I DID INDEED. 
          UH, AND THAT WAS ONE CONCERN I HAD WITH DR. 
          JAMESON'S PLAN, UH, AS FAR AS I KNOW ACCURATELY THAT THERE'S GONNA BE 3 MILLION IN DEBT SERVICE RELIEF IN THREE YEARS. 
          HOWEVER, AND THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT FOR SOME TIME, AND I KNOW, I THINK AT LEAST AS ROADS IS KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAMS SOMEWHERE DOWN THE LINE, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT A NEW ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. 
          AND I MAY HAVE MENTIONED THAT LAST TIME TOO, BUT YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S HALF A DOZEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BEING, UM, BUILT IN THE COMMONWEALTH. 
          AND THOSE PRICES RANGE ANYWHERE FROM 32 TO 55 MILLION. 
          SO I'M JUST CONCERNED THAT, WELL, WE MAY NEED THAT 3 MILLION RELIEF TO GO FOR OTHER DEBT SERVICE TO BUILD A NEW SCHOOL. 
          UM, WHICH LEADS INTO ANOTHER CONVERSATION LATER. 
          UM, AND I KNOW WE, WE'VE TOUCHED ON IT DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS, AND THAT IS, UM, WE NEED TO DO, WE NEED, WE NEED TO SCHEDULE A MEETING, UH, I GUESS TO GO OVER A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN AND SEE WHERE WE ARE ON THOSE THINGS. 
          SO THOSE THINGS DON'T FALL BEHIND. 
          AND WE WE'RE PLAYING CATCH UP. 
          BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S IT. 
          I THINK YOU, AGAIN, SO I GUESS WE'RE AT THE POINT WHERE WE NEED A MOTION. 
          I'LL GIVE IT A SHOT. 
          I'LL SEE WHERE IT LANDS. 
          OH, I'D MOVE FOR A 9 CENT TAX INCREASE IN LIEU OF 10 WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ROOF REPLACEMENT AND STUFF THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY DISCUSSED IN THE BUDGET, ALONG WITH THE POTENTIAL, UM, CONTRACT WITH RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY TO HELP US WITH CHESTER GAP. 
          I WILL COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND FUND BALANCE. 
          IS THAT ENOUGH? SO, UM, SUPERVISOR HENRY, YOU, YOU CAN CERTAINLY DO THAT. 
          THERE ARE SOME PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED MOTIONS BECAUSE, UH, I'M ASSUMING 
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YOU SAID NICE AND TAX INCREASE, WE WOULD WANT OUR RECORD TO REFLECT. 
          THAT'S A 9 CENT REAL ESTATE TAX, UH, INCREASE. 
          AND THEN THAT WOULD TAKE IT TO 0.5, UM, SIX NINE. 
          UM, I PROBABLY WANT THAT CLARITY. 
          AND YOU KNOW, ONE OF THOSE PROPOSERS SUGGESTS, SO BASICALLY THERE ARE A LOT OF TAX RATES HERE THAT WE NEED TO SET. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE ALL OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES. 
          UH, SO YOU CAN KIND OF START DOING ALL THIS SEPARATELY, OR YOU CAN TRY TO DO IT ALL TOGETHER, YOU KNOW, IF YOU SAW THE SECOND, OR YOU COULD MAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN PUT IN THE, NO, I'M LOOKING FOR THE RIGHT PAGE HERE. 
          AND I'M THE THIRD PAGE. 
          THERE IS ONE THAT SAYS I MOVED THAT THE COUNTY AND SANITARY DISTRICT TAX RATES AND RATES OF CHARGE BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES. 
          SO THEN YOU COULD PUT THAT THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE BE 0.5. 
          OKAY, I GOT IT. 
          SIX NINE EXCEPT THE MANUFACTURED HOME TAX RATE. 
          THAT WOULD KIND OF DEAL WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S IN ITEM K ONE. 
          UM, BUT IT WOULDN'T DEAL WITH THE OTHER STUFF THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT ON CHESTER GAP THOUGH, WOULDN'T IT? SO MAY I SAY SOMETHING REGARDING CHESTER GAP? WE HAD THAT AS ANOTHER BUDGET, I MEAN ANOTHER ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, AND I THINK IT MAY BE BETTER TO DISCUSS IT AT THAT TIME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND JUST LEAVE THAT OFF OF THIS MOTION AT THIS POINT. 
          I CAN DO THAT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU WERE EVEN SAYING IN REGARD TO THAT BECAUSE YOU, YOU SUGGESTED A CERTAIN TAX RATE, BUT THEN YOU SAID SOMETHING THAT I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT RELATED TO FUNDING CHESTER GABB. 
          YOU SAID SOMETHING LIKE ASPIRATIONAL, LIKE WITH THE HOPES OF, OR CAN YOU EXPLAIN THAT? WELL, THE, UH, IT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING BASICALLY. 
          UH, IF WE STILL NEED THE $103 MILLION AND WE'RE DOING 9 CENTS, WE'RE SHORT. 
          SO WE WILL BE OFFSETTING THAT COST WITH, UH, WHAT YOU HAD INDICATED MAY BE AN EXCESSIVE FUND BALANCE, UH, IN THAT EXCESSIVE FUND BALANCE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE IT'S NOT IN THIS 9 CENT INCREASE. 
          UM, MAYBE GIVE CHESTER GAP ANOTHER SHOT FOR THE REST OF THE FISCAL YEAR AT LEAST, UM, UNTIL THE NEW BUDGET STARTS, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE US NEW HIRES. 
          AND WE MAY HAVE TO PHASE ONE IN AND ONE OUT. 
          UM, SO WE ARE OBVIOUSLY SHORT IF WE'RE HAVING TO CALL THE COUNTIES FOR SERVICE. 
          SO, UM, 'CAUSE OF PROXIMITY TO FRONT ROYAL AND, UH, THE CHESTER GAP AREA BEING HALF IN RAPPAHANNOCK, HALF WARREN COUNTY. 
          OH, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT HAD SOME VALUE FOR SOME ADDITIONAL PROTECTION, NOT IN LIEU OF OUR FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT TO COME OUT OF THEIR BUDGET OR OUTTA THIS BUDGET. 
          BUT IT WOULD, UH, STRICTLY COME OUT OF, UH, OH, OVER OUR MINIMUM REQUIRED BALANCE AND THE FUND BALANCE. 
          UM, YOU HAD INDICATED MAYBE A NICKEL YOU COULD COME DOWN THAT MUCH AND THEN WITH SOME OTHER STRATEGIC STUFF. 
          BUT I, I COULDN'T GET THE MATH. 
          I MEAN, I READ WHAT YOU SAID AND I UNDERSTAND, UH, IT'S COUNTING MATH. 
          I HATE IT. 
          I'LL JUST BE HONEST WITH YOU. 
          UH, YOU CAN GIVE, YOU CAN GIVE FIVE ACCOUNTANTS, ALL FIVE OF 'EM THE SAME INFORMATION, AND ALL FIVE OF 'EM HAVE A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ANSWER AND ALL FIVE OF 'EM IS RIGHT. 
          UH, IT'S KIND OF THE WAY THAT WAY THAT GOES. 
          BUT, UH, I, I'LL CORRECT, WELL, I'LL JUST LEAVE CHESTER GAP OUT OF IT SO IT DOESN'T MUDDY THE WATER. 
          AND LET'S SEE HERE, LET ME READ THIS AGAIN. 
          LET, LET'S SEE HERE. 
          LET'S TRY IT AGAIN. 
          MOVE THAT THE COUNTY AND STANDARD DISTRICT RATES AND RATES OF CHARGES BE APPROVED AS PRESENTED WITH THE FOLLOWING CHANGES THAT THE PROPOSED TAX RATE BE 50.569 INSTEAD OF 0.579. 
          AND THAT'S THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE. 
          REAL ESTATE TAX RATE, YES. 
          REAL ESTATE TAX. 
          THAT THE REAL ESTATE TAX RATE, BE IT 0.569 INSTEAD OF THE 0.579 AS ADVERTISED EXCEPT THE COUNTY MANUFACTURED HOMES RATE. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT BETTER? YES. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? NO, MR. HENRY. 
          AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR, I MR. CARTER, WAIT A MINUTE. 
          I 
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WASN'T FINISHED. 
          I WAS SAYING AYE, NOT THAT. 
          AYE, UM, I WILL VOTE IN FAVOR OF THIS AS LONG AS I KNOW I HAVE SUPPORT TO FUND CHESTER GAP UNTIL JUNE FROM THOSE WHO HAVE TOLD ME THEY WOULD. 
          SO HOPEFULLY I MR. CARTER. 
          AYE MR. STANMORE, NO 
          [K.2. Ordinance to add to the Warren County Code Article XXIV in Chapter 160 to impose a Cigarette Tax and to become a Member of the Northern Virginia Cigarette Tax Board - Sherry Sours, Commissioner of the Revenue, Alisa Scott, Finance Director]
ORDINANCE TO ADD WARREN COUNTY CODE IN CHAPTER ONE 60 TO IMPOSE A CIGARETTE TAX AND BECOME A MEMBER OF THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA CIGARETTE TAX BOARD IS THE NEXT ITEM. 
          IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS ONE? UM, THIS HAS BEEN TALKED ABOUT AS FAR AS WHERE THAT MONEY WILL BE, UM, HEADED GOING TO, AND I THINK THE INITIAL CONVERSATION WAS THAT IT WOULD GO TOWARDS VEHICLE REPLACEMENT FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, UH, I THINK BY DOING THAT, AND I KNOW SOME OF THE FIGURES, I DON'T KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO A UH, LADDER TRUCK WAS LIKE 800, 900,000. 
          NOW IT'S LIKE 2.2 MILLION. 
          UM, AND IT'S PROBABLY THE LEAST USED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT, BUT WHEN YOU NEED IT, YOU NEED IT. 
          SO THEN IT BECOMES THE MOST IMPORTANT. 
          AND I, AND I HOPE THAT THIS YEAR WILL, UM, UM, HELP THE, THE, THE, THE, THE TOWN GOVERNMENT UNDERSTAND TOO THAT THIS BENEFITS THE WHOLE COUNTY WITHIN AND WITHOUT, UH, THE TOWN LIMITS. 
          UH, AND SO, LIKE I SAID, AT THIS POINT HERE, IT MAY, THERE MAY BE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION IF WE INCLUDE, UM, SHERIFF, BUT AT THIS POINT I JUST AS WELL SEE, IT JUST GO STRICTLY TOWARDS, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, THAT WILL BENEFIT, UH, FOLKS LIVING IN TOWN AS WELL. 
          AND AGAIN, LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, AND MR. HAM, I GUESS YOU CAN VERIFY THIS BOARD HERE CAN DESIGNATE THAT MONEY FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE NEXT BOARD COULD GO AHEAD AND SPEND THAT FOR OTHER EXPENDITURES. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, YOU COULD, YOU COULD DESIGNATE AND AND COMMIT IT FOR THE NEXT PHYSICAL YEAR IF YOU WANT TO, BUT NOT BEYOND THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE'S NO WAY TO TIE THAT UP. 
          I KNOW THERE'S LIMITED TIMES WHEN YOU CAN BIND A FUTURE BOARD, BUT THIS ISN'T ONE OF THEM. 
          YOU NEED A REFERENDUM. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE HEARING NO DISCUSSION FURTHER? IS THERE A MOTION I'LL MOVE THAT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE ORDINANCE TO ADD TO THE WARREN COUNTY CODE ARTICLE 24 IN CHAPTER ONE 60 TO IMPOSE A CIGARETTE TAX AND TO BECOME A MEMBER OF THE NORTHERN VIRGINIA CIGARETTE TAX BOARD. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER ABSTAIN. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON ABSTAIN 
          [L. Consent Agenda]
ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION? I CHAIR, I'D LIKE TO PULL NUMBER ONE AND NUMBER SIX. 
          ANY I, I'M GOING TO PULL NUMBER TWO JUST FOR A QUESTION. 
          ARE THERE ANY OTHER, I'M SORRY, WHAT WERE YOU PULLING? NUMBER TWO. 
          OKAY. 
          I JUST WANNA DO, WE WANNA PULL NUMBER THREE AS WELL TALK ABOUT CHESTER GAP, UH, IF YOU'D LIKE TO, YES. 
          I THINK JUST FOR SOME CLARIFICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO 1, 2, 3 AND SIX. 
          1, 6, 2, 3. 
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BE OKAY. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE, WITH NUMBER 1, 6, 2, AND THREE BEING PULLED? SO MOVES SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          [L.1. Award of Contract for FY25 Cash Reconciliation Services - Janice Butler Shanks]
UH, MR. JAMESON NUMBER ONE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THIS IS, UH, ABOUT THE SCOPE OF WORK, THE AWARD OF CONTRACT FOR CASH RECONCILIATION SERVICES. 
          UM, WE HAD A PRESENTATION FROM, UH, FROM BARRY DUNN AND, AND YOU, I BELIEVE MADAM CHAIR ASKED, UH, WHETHER THIS WORK ENTAILED, UH, I THINK TO PARAPHRASE SOLVING THE PROBLEM, UM, I WANT TO, UH, UH, TALK ABOUT, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAVE DONE IF PEOPLE AREN'T AWARE IS, UH, RECOMMEND THAT THIS BOARD GET SERIOUS ABOUT AND AGREED UPON PROCEDURES ENGAGEMENT, WHICH AS I SAID IN, IN A VERNACULAR, IT'S KINDA LIKE A LOW KEY FORENSIC AUDIT, UH, WITH A DIFFERENT EMPHASIS, MORE OF A FACT FINDING THAN A CRIME FINDING. 
          UM, I JUST WANT, THERE, THERE'S TWO, TWO ELEMENTS I WANT TO MAY, MAYBE THREE ELEMENTS I WANT TO TO POINT OUT. 
          UM, IT IS TRUE, UH, THAT THE, THE COST FOR US TO GET THROUGH OUR AUDIT PROCESS HAS BEEN VERY MUCH ESCALATING, AND THAT SHOULD BE A CONCERN TO ALL OF US. 
          UM, IT IS TRUE THAT OUR MATERIAL WEAKNESSES FINDINGS IN OUR AUDITS GOING BACK TO 2020, HAVE REPEATED THEMSELVES. 
          UM, I'VE READ THE AUDIT, THEY'RE REPEATED VERBATIM IN, UM, IN A ONE INSTANCE YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          UM, AND I JUST WANNA READ WHAT A, WHAT A SCOPE WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          OR FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS, THIS IS PART OF A, A WHAT I FLOATED TO THE BOARD IN TERMS OF AN A UP, IT'S JUST A WORKING DOCUMENT, BUT THE SCOPE OF THE ENGAGEMENT SHALL BE DEFINED BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SHALL INCLUDE AT A MINIMUM AN EXAMINATION OF THE INTERNAL CONTROLS, RECONCILIATION PROCESSES AND FINANCIAL REPORTING PROCEDURES THAT HAVE GIVEN RISE TO RECURRING MATERIAL WEAKNESS FINDINGS WITH WRITTEN FINDINGS, SPECIFICALLY PRESCRIBED REMEDIES TO BE DELIVERED TO THE BOARD. 
          AND, UH, THIS IS BY A C CERTIFIED PUBLIC ACCOUNTING FIRM. 
          AND, UH, BY ALL RIGHTS AND EVIDENCES, BARRY DUNN HAS SERVED US VERY WELL. 
          WE'RE VERY IMPRESSED WITH THEM, THE QUALITY OF THEIR WORK. 
          UM, THEY WOULD SEEM LIKE A NATURAL CANDIDATE. 
          SO HOPEFULLY FROM A PROCUREMENT POINT, IF THIS BOARD WOULD, WOULD SORT OF ENGAGE IN THIS, UH, THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          THEY'RE ALSO EXTREMELY FAMILIAR AND, UH, PROBABLY WOULD HAVE A RATE AT A, A PROJECT RATE THAT WAS ATTRACTIVE BECAUSE OF THAT FAMILIARITY. 
          NOW, IN REGARDS TO WHAT WE'RE ABOUT TO UN UH, EVALUATE, UH, IN TERMS OF A SCOPE OF WORK IN A, IN A, UH, $200,000, NOT, NOT TO EXCEED $200,000 EXTENSION OR NEW CONTRACT OR WHATEVER IT IS, UM, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, I'M, I TRY TO FIND SOMETHING LIKE A, UM, IN THE, IN THE COVER SHEET DESCRIPTION, BUT THE, THIS IS FOR CASH RECONCILIATION SERVICES. 
          AND SO IF, IF ONE IS TO LOOK AT WHAT AN A A UP IS THAT'S DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY TO, UH, FIND A DOCUMENT DEFICIENCIES AND RECOMMEND DEV DEVISE SOLUTIONS AND CONVEY THOSE TO STAFF AND AND BOARD AND SO FORTH, THAT'S A, THAT'S A SPECIFIC SCOPE OF WORK. 
          SO I'M, I'M, IF THERE'S AN EXPECTATION OR, OR HOPEFULLY NOT A HOPE THAT THAT TYPE OF WORK CAN BE DONE WITHIN THE SCOPE OF A CASH RECONCILIATION SERVICES CONTRACT, I THINK WE'RE KIND OF FOOLING OURSELVES. 
          UM, IF, IF BARRY DUNN ACTUALLY WAS TO SIT DOWN AND WRITE OUT A STATEMENT THAT SAID YES, UNDER THIS CASH RECONCILIATION SERVICES SCOPE, WE CAN ALSO DO AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURES TO, UH, RESEARCH THESE MATERIAL WEAKNESSES, IDENTIFY SPECIFICALLY WHAT THE CONDITIONS ARE AND WHAT THE SOLUTIONS ARE. 
          UH, I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO THAT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'VE, THEY HAVE A SCOPE OF WORK AND WE'RE LOOKING AT IT TONIGHT TO APPROVE. 
          SO THAT IS ALL BASICALLY TO ACKNOWLEDGE WHAT I'VE, I HEAR A LOT OF CALLS FROM OUR FORENSIC AUDIT. 
          I, I JUST PERSONALLY THINK AN A UP IS THE WAY TO GO. 
          UM, I KNOW HER FINANCE DIRECTOR IS FAMILIAR WITH THE A UP PROCESS. 
          UM, SHE ALREADY USES AN A UP PROCESS FOR SOME WORK. 
          UM, IT'S PRETTY LOW KEY, PRETTY LOW COST, BUT I BELIEVE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY, UH, 
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GIVEN THE ESCALATING COSTS WE'VE SEEN AND, AND THE REPEATING, UH, MATERIAL WEAKNESSES. 
          AND, AND YOU KNOW, THE THING ABOUT THE MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IS THAT, THAT THERE'S NO WAY THAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA REAPPEAR IN 24 AND 25 BECAUSE, UM, NATURALLY WE'RE WAY, WAY BEHIND AND, AND WE ARE ONE, ONE OF THOSE MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IS THE USE OF OUTSIDE SERVICES TO BE PREPARED FOR AUDIT. 
          SO, UM, WE JUST, I THINK WE NEEDED TO SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THE A OP TALK TO, UH, MAYBE GET THE FINANCE DIRECTOR TO TAKE THE LEAD, UM, ON, ON, UM, KIND OF LOOKING AT THE, WHAT THE SCOPE OF THAT WOULD BE, WHAT THE COST OF THAT WOULD BE. 
          BUT IT'S A, IT'S A DEFINITE THING TO DO TO ADDRESS WHAT DIFFICULTIES WE'VE HAD. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, AND ALL THAT IS PERIPHERAL TO THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT. 
          BUT I JUST THOUGHT THIS IS THE VENUE TO, TO CONVEY THAT. 
          I GOT A COUPLE QUESTIONS IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          OH, AND UH, I DON'T KNOW WHO I ANSWER 'EM, WHETHER IT BE YOU OR UH, STAFF, BUT IT WAS, TO MY UNDERSTANDING PARTNER, THE INITIAL BARRY DUNN CONTRACT. 
          WAS THEY SUPPOSED TO CROSS TRAIN STAFF AND POINT OUT THESE WEAKNESSES TO MAKE CORRECTIONS WITHIN THE DEPARTMENT SO THAT IT WASN'T HAPPENING AGAIN? ALL. 
          BUT HAS THAT NOT HAPPENED OR HAS THAT NOT BEEN HAPPENING IN THE PREVIOUS BARRY DUN BOOK? I'LL TAKE A STAB AT ANSWERING THAT. 
          WELL, MS. SHANKS IS HERE. 
          IF YOU YEAH, I'LL TAKE A STAB AT IT. 
          IF YOU'VE SEEN IT IN A SCOPE OF WORK, THEN IT, THEN IT'S THERE. 
          IF IT'S NOT A SCOPE OF WORK, IT'S NOT OBJECT DUR DURING DISCUSSION. 
          IT WAS, IT WAS MENTIONED BEFORE. 
          UH, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT THAT WAS SO JUST PART OF IT, BUT THAT MAY BE MY NEGLIGENCE. 
          SO THERE'S SEVERAL DIFFERENT AREAS WHEN, WHEN BARRY DUNN GOT INVOLVED LAST YEAR, THAT WAS WITH THE 24, THE AUDIT THAT THEY'RE STILL, THEY'RE FINISHING UP NOW THAT STARTED WITH CASH RECONCILIATIONS TO THE BANK FUND NINE NINE. 
          AND THEN FOR THE BANK FUND 99 TO BALANCE TO THE GENERAL FUND, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WILL DO NOW. 
          SO IN OUR OFFICE, WE HAVE BEEN COMPLETING THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS TO THE BANK FROM THE GOOD NUMBERS THAT THEY GAVE US TO START WITH. 
          SO FOR FISCAL YEAR 25, WE HAVE MOVED FORWARD WITH THAT AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE NOW GIVEN TO THEM FOR THEM TO BALANCE TO THE BANK FUND 99 AND THEN TO THE GENERAL LEDGER. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S TWO PARTS OF IT. 
          WE HAVE THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS TO THE ACTUAL BANK ACCOUNTS, AND THEN THOSE RECONCILIATIONS TO THE FUND BALANCE IN THE GENERAL LEDGER. 
          SO IT'S A, IT'S A TWO STEP PROCESS. 
          THEY WERE BARRY DUNN THEMSELVES WERE NOT CROSS TRAINING. 
          HOWEVER, PART OF THE OTHER PROPOSAL WITH BARRY DUNN FOR THE NEW SOFTWARE, THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT ALL OF THOSE THINGS AS WELL. 
          AND IN, IN OUR DISCUSSIONS WORKING WITH OUR TEAM WITH BARRY DUNN, THEY'RE GONNA LOOK AT POSSIBLE THINGS WITHIN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE THAT WE COULD DO DIFFERENTLY, ESPECIALLY GOING INTO HAVING A NEW SOFTWARE. 
          SO WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT AS WELL. 
          RIGHT NOW THEY ARE WORKING SOLELY ON GETTING THOSE CASH RECONCILIATIONS FISCAL YEAR 25 TO MESH WITH THE GENERAL LEDGERS. 
          SO WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS THEY HAVE THE NUMBERS FROM FISCAL YEAR 24 CAN MOVE FORWARD TO DO FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          SO THAT IS SOLELY WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON RIGHT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE DONE, WE'VE RECONCILED TO OUR BANK STATEMENTS AND THEY ARE ASSISTING TO RECONCILE TO THE BANK FUND 99 IN THE GENERAL LEDGER. 
          SO, SO THE, THE ONLY TRAINING IN THE, UH, SCOPE OF WORK IS ACTUALLY JUST WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE? WELL, IT'S, IT'S ALL GONNA BE, IT'S ALL GONNA BE ALL ENCOMPASSING. 
          UM, CERTAINLY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THEM TO HELP US WITH ANY, ANY ISSUES SO FAR. 
          UM, WE HAVE NOT HAD ANY THAT THEY'VE SAID, DON'T DO IT THIS WAY. 
          YOU KNOW, SO FAR WHAT WE'VE GIVEN THEM THAT WE'VE DONE IN OUR OFFICE AS FAR AS CASH RECONCILIATIONS AS OF JUST TODAY, WE HAD A MEETING TODAY AND SHE SAID EVERYTHING LOOKED GOOD. 
          THEY'RE MOVING FORWARD WORKING. 
          SO ONCE WE HAD GOOD NUMBERS TO START WITH, WE WERE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE'VE BEEN DOING. 
          DO, DO, DO YOU, 26 IS GETTING READY TO CLOSE, DO YOU THINK WITH THE SOFTWARE TRAINING AND THEIR HELP 
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ON PREVIOUS TWO YEARS BUDGET, DO YOU THINK YOU'LL NEED THEM AGAIN UNDER THE CURRENT SITUATION TO DO 26? OR DO YOU THINK MAYBE DR. 
          JAMESON'S GOT A POINT HERE THAT MAYBE WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL, SOME ADDITIONAL SCOPE OF WORK TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO THIS EVERY YEAR? WELL, AND, AND I'M NOT AGAINST THAT. 
          I MEAN, I'M NOT AGAINST DOING SOME OTHER TYPE OF AGREEMENT WITH THEM. 
          UM, I JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR THAT RIGHT NOW THEY'RE WORKING TO INTEGRATE OUR BANK RECONCILIATIONS WITH THE GENERAL FUND BANK, BANK FUND 99. 
          THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE WORKING ON CURRENTLY. 
          WELL, WE'LL BE A LITTLE MORE SPECIFIC. 
          ARE YOU GONNA BE ABLE TO DO 26 WITHOUT BARON? I CAN'T ANSWER THAT RIGHT NOW UNTIL WE, UNTIL WE FINISH 25. 
          UM, I WILL TELL YOU THIS, THE BANK RECS FOR 25 HAVE GONE SMOOTHLY. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD THOSE ISSUES, BUT WE ALSO, IT'S NOT JUST OUR OFFICE AND OUR RECONCILIATIONS TO THE BANK ACCOUNTS, IT IS THE RECONCILIATIONS TO THE GENERAL LEDGER. 
          SO THAT REQUIRES ALL OF THE ACCOUNTS AND ALL OF THAT TO BALANCE AS WELL. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE WILL NEED, UM, I THINK AS FAR AS THE TREASURER'S OFFICE IS CONCERNED, WE'LL BE ABLE TO DO THE BANKING RECONCILIATIONS, BUT THERE'S A SECOND STEP THAT THEN THAT ALL HAS TO INTEGRATE WITH FINANCE AND THE GENERAL LEDGER. 
          SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I CAN SAY AT THIS POINT, ESPECIALLY SINCE THEY HAVEN'T EVEN FINISHED THEIR WORK FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          I, I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE IF THEY HAVE BEEN WORKING HAND IN HAND AND SHOWING WHERE DEFICIENCIES WERE AND THE KIND OF THE C ONE DO ONE TEACH ONE OF, THEN WHY WOULDN'T YOUR STAFF BE UP TO SPEED TO HIT 26? AND WITH THE RECONCILIATIONS, THE GENERAL LEDGER AND EVERYTHING THAT IS UP TO DATE, IT, I MEAN, WE ARE UP TO DATE, WE DO OUR DAILY, BUT TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE GONNA BE UNFORESEEN ISSUES FOR THE CLOSE OF THIS NEXT FISCAL YEAR, UM, I THINK I WOULD BE COUNT MY CHICKENS BEFORE THEY'RE HATCHED TO DO THAT. 
          WELL, UNFOR, UNFORESEEN ISSUES. 
          I MEAN, UM, IF YOU ASK ME TODAY, EVERYTHING LOOKS GOOD. 
          WE'RE NOT HAVING ANY ISSUES. 
          AND UM, AS OF OUR MEETING TODAY, THEY DON'T SEE ANY ISSUES WITH WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN THEM FOR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          SO THE MAIN THING WAS HAVE GOOD, HAVING GOOD NUMBERS TO START WITH, WHICH WE DID NOT HAVE PRIOR. 
          SO WE NEEDED TO HAVE GOOD NUMBERS TO GO FORWARD. 
          WELL, I, I'M FINE WITH A AN A UP PROCESS. 
          I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. 
          I JUST DIDN'T SEE THE REDUNDANCY BECAUSE WHEN I ASKED THE QUESTION DURING THAT PRESENTATION, IS THERE GOING TO BE A STANDARD OF PROCESS YES. 
          MANUAL. 
          AND AS THEY GO, THEY'RE TEACHING THAT, AND THEN THERE'S A PROCESS, YOU KNOW, THIS MANUAL TO REFER TO THAT THIS IS THE WAY THINGS SHOULD BE DONE. 
          THEN I, I FELT LIKE WE WERE MEETING WHAT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT AND HIRING SOMEBODY ELSE TO COME IN AND DO THE SAME THING IS JUST, YOU KNOW, REDUNDANCY AND EXPENSIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT DOING THAT SHOULD HAVE THIS, THEN THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A DIFFERENT THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, MAYBE I SHOULD ADD THIS AS WELL. 
          WE HAVE WEEKLY, WEEKLY MEETINGS WITH THEM AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, SHE'LL SAY, WELL, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS, OR DO YOU HAVE BACKUP DOCUMENTATION FOR SPECIFIC ENTRIES? SO WE ARE WORKING WITH THEM ALL THE TIME, UM, EVERY DAY. 
          SO ANYTHING THAT COMES UP, THAT TEACHING MOMENT HAPPENS RIGHT THEN. 
          UM, AND THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE. 
          WELL, AND THAT'S OVER THE LAST YEAR. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          BUT WITH NEW STAFF COMING IN, IT'S NICE TO HAVE THAT MANUAL, RIGHT? THAT'S A, AN ACCESSORY TOOL TO SOMEONE SITTING HERE BEING MY BUDDY TEACHING ME THIS, RIGHT. 
          THIS SYSTEM. 
          AND THEN I, I'VE GOT A MANUAL TO REFER BACK TO THAT MEETS EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW IF THAT PERSON'S NOT THERE THE NEXT DAY AND I'M DOING IT ON MY OWN. 
          UM, WELL, AND THE OTHER THING, UM, MUCH OF WHAT WAS DIFFICULT LAST YEAR, IT WAS NOT THE ACTUAL PROCESSES OF KNOWING HOW TO DO A BANK RECONCILIATION. 
          IT WAS DEPARTMENT CODES THAT REALLY NO CPA OR NO ACCOUNTANT WOULD'VE KNOWN WHAT THEY WERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY WERE CREATED 
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IN HOUSE. 
          IF YOU HAVE A DEPARTMENT CODE THAT HITS A BANK ACCOUNT A CERTAIN WAY OR THE GENERAL LEDGER A CERTAIN WAY, AND NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THAT DEPARTMENT CODE IS, THAT CREATES AN ISSUE. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF THE PROBLEM. 
          SO IT WASN'T, IT WASN'T TO TEACH HOW TO DO A BANK RECONCILIATION, IT WAS TO MAKE IT ALL INTERFACE WITH THE GENERAL LEDGER AND TO HAVE THE NUMBERS TO START WITH. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE THINGS HAVE HAPPENED IN THIS PREVIOUS FISCAL YEAR OF THE WORK WITH BARRY DUNN. 
          SO GOING FORWARD IT SHOULD, IT IT SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM. 
          HOLD, I DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THE POINT, BUT I, BUT I'M, I I JUST WANNA SAY THAT DEFINING STRUCTURAL CONDITIONS THAT ARE UNDERLYING RECURRING MATERIAL WEAKNESSES ISN'T IN THEIR SCOPE OF WORK. 
          IT, IT MAY BE A PERIPHERAL ACTIVITY. 
          AND I THINK I'M NOT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT EVEN SITTING HERE LIKE DECIDING TO DO AN A UPI THINK WE JUST NEED TO PERHAPS WITH, WITH, UH, MS. SCOTT PUT HER AS A TEAM LEAD AND, AND GO, GO RESEARCH IT AND COME BACK TO US AND SAY, YEAH, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING WE SHOULD CONSIDER. 
          OR MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. 
          MAYBE THEN SHE COULD ACTUALLY BRING BACK A FINDING AND SAY, WELL, YEAH, ACTUALLY BARRY DUNN WAS TEACHING EVERYTHING AND THEY MADE A NICE MANUAL FOR EVERYBODY AND WE DON'T NEED TO DO THIS, BUT, BUT THAT WE WOULD AGRE YOU KNOW, ASSERTIVELY, UM, DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN SAY, I HOPE WE GET, CAN DO 26. 
          YEAH, I, I AGREE WITH THAT BECAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE SCOPE HERE ON, WELL, IT'S THREE BULLET POINTS ON PAGE FIVE OF THEIR MARCH 6TH MEMO. 
          AND, AND THERE'S APPARENTLY AN APPENDIX A SOMEWHERE THAT HAS A LITTLE MORE DETAIL, BUT IT'S ALL JUST ABOUT THEM DOING THE RECONCILIATIONS AND SO FORTH. 
          THERE'S NOTHING IN THERE ABOUT SHARING THE FINDINGS OR DOCUMENTING THE RECOMMENDATIONS. 
          AND, UH, IT WOULD BE IF, IF, IF WE WANT TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ASK MS. SCOTT TO, TO GO BACK AND WORK WITH THEM ON THAT, AND THEN WE DETERMINE IF IT NEEDS TO BE ADDED TO THE SCOPE, UH, POTENTIALLY WITH AN AMENDMENT OR NOT. 
          BUT, UH, UH, UH, JUST HEARING THAT IT'S KIND OF HAPPENING CASUALLY AND NOT REALLY KNOWING IF IT'S LEADING TO, UH, A HANDBOOK OR A MANUAL OR A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURES, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE COULD SAY, OH YEAH, WE, WE GOT ALL THESE GOOD RECOMMENDATIONS, BUT THEN NEXT YEAR, ARE WE GONNA REMEMBER THOSE IF THEY'RE NOT DOCUMENTED? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHY SPECIFICALLY IS THERE GONNA BE AN SOP THAT I CAN REFER TO? YEAH, I DEFINITELY AGREE WITH AT LEAST DOING THE RESEARCH, YOU KNOW, UH, TO, TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE FEASIBILITY AND, AND DEFINITELY A COSTING STANDPOINT. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S, UH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE COSTING WILL BE. 
          I MEAN, WE HAVE NO IDEA CURRENTLY, BUT IT, I WOULD DEFINITELY, UH, SUPPORT AT LEASE GOING THAT FAR WITH IT. 
          UM, IF THERE'S A POTENTIAL FOR SOME ADDITIONAL TRAINING OR IMPROVEMENT IN, UH, THE COUNTY'S WHOLE FINANCIAL APPARATUS THAT WOULD COME OUTTA THIS, THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PREVENT ANYTHING LIKE THIS FROM HAPPENING AGAIN, IT WOULD BE, UH, WHATEVER THE COST WOULD BE OF MONEY WOULD BE MONEY WELL SPENT. 
          UH, AND, AND I AND, AND I GOT SOME CALLS AND, AND SEEN SOME COMMENTS ABOUT FISCAL AUDIT TOO. 
          UH, THE COMPLEXITY AND THE COST, UH, AND TIME WOULD BE ALL THOSE WOULD BE TREMENDOUS. 
          AND, UH, THERE, THERE'S NO INDICATION. 
          I MEAN, YOU DO THAT FOR CRIMINAL ACTIVITY. 
          OH, NOT, NOT FOR JUST FIXING SOME OLD BOOKS AND, YOU KNOW, AND MAYBE UPDATING SOME COMPUTER SYSTEMS. AND CONSEQUENTLY WE MAY BE A LITTLE BEHIND ON OUR, ON OUR SOFTWARE AND OUR TRAINING. 
          UM, BUT I WOULD ABSOLUTELY, UH, SUPPORT AT LEAST GETTING IT CHECKED OUT AND GETTING A CALL ON IT. 
          I'M IN AGREEMENT. 
          I'M GLAD DR. 
          JAMESON BROUGHT THAT UP. 
          AND MAYBE THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE HE, LIKE, UM, MR. STAN MEYER SAID, YOU KNOW, MAYBE SOMETHING DONE CASUALLY, WE MAY NEED TO INFORMALIZE IT. 
          UM, AND IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT COULD BE, WE COULD EXPAND THE SCOPE TO BARRY DUNN AND I WOULD THINK MAYBE SINCE THEY'RE ALREADY ON BOARD WITH THIS, WITH THIS OTHER STUFF, IT COULD BE A LITTLE BIT LESS EXPENSIVE. 
          BUT I WOULD SUGGEST THAT MAYBE LET THIS GO BACK TO, UM, OUR FINANCE DIRECTOR AND, AND, AND, AND THE TREASURER AND LET THEM SEE WHAT THEY CAN COME UP WITH AND COME BRING IT BACK TO US SO WE CAN GO OUT FOR A BID PROCESS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UH, SO I, I DEFINITELY, I THINK THERE SHOULD BE FURTHER DISCUSSION ALONG THIS LINE. 
          BUT IF I MAY, COULD I GO AHEAD AND MAKE THE, UH, PROPOSAL FOR THIS MOTION OR THE MOTION FOR THIS PROPOSAL? YES, SIR. 
          I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZE THE AWARD AND CONTRACT WITH BARRY DUNN MCNEIL AND PARKER, LLC FOR A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF 200,000 FOR FISCAL YEAR 2025 CASH RECONCILIATION SERVICES. 
          I FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD AUTHORIZED THE CHAIR AND INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EITHER OF WHOM MAY ACT TO EXECUTE 
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ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          AND I SURE HOPE THAT'S THE LAST TIME WE HAVE TO DO THIS. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          UM, MADAM CHAIR AND UH, AND GENTLEMEN, I WILL ALSO DO MAKE A FORMAL EXPLANATION THAT MIGHT HELP AS WELL. 
          UM, AND I WILL TALK TO OUR TEAM AT BARRY DUNN AND ASK THEM IF THEY CAN COME UP WITH SOMETHING. 
          UM, I KNOW THAT MS. SCOTT AND AND I AND ALL INVOLVED ABSOLUTELY OUR GOAL IS SO THAT THERE WILL NOT BE INTERNAL CONTROL ISSUES AND MATERIAL WEAKNESSES IN AUDITS GOING FORWARD AS THERE HAVE BEEN SINCE 2020. 
          THERE THERE ISSUES THAT ARE LONGSTANDING, UM, AND HISTORICAL PROCEDURE PROBLEM. 
          SO OUR GOAL IS ABSOLUTELY TO GET BEYOND THAT, WHERE THAT IS NOT AN ISSUE ANY LONGER. 
          SO WE ARE, WE'RE ABSOLUTELY ON BOARD WITH YOU TO, TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, 
          [L.2. Authorization of vehicle purchase for Parks Maintenance - Tiffany Walker, Director, Kimberly Henry, Buyer ]
I PULLED NUMBER TWO JUST BECAUSE WHEN IT'S A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, I THINK WE NEED TO JUSTIFY, UM, THE PICKUP FOR PARKS AND REC. 
          WHAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, WHAT USE IS GONNA BE AND ALL THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO OUR OPERATIONS MANAGER FOR THE PARKS AND RECREATION DEPARTMENT, UM, CURRENTLY IT BASICALLY IS USING A PUBLIC WORKS, SUV. 
          WE WANT TO HAVE A TRUCK SO THAT THEY ARE ABLE TO BE A PART OF SOME OF THE ACTUAL HANDS-ON WORK. 
          UM, REED HAS BEEN ABLE TO UTILIZE BASICALLY THE SIMILAR SETUP THAT TRAVIS HAS, UM, IN ORDER TO HAUL SUPPLIES TO THE SITES. 
          UM, WE WERE LUCKY THAT, FOR EXAMPLE, SATURDAY MORNING HE WAS ABLE TO REPLACE SOME OF THE BROKEN SEATING AT FANTASY LAND IN ORDER TO REPAIR IT TO FIX SAFETY CONCERNS. 
          UM, THOSE ARE THINGS YOU CAN'T DO IN A SUV, UM, THAT'S CARPETED. 
          AND WITH SOME OF THE NEEDS THAT WE HAVE, WE NEED THE F TWO 50. 
          UM, WITH THE FUNDING, WE, IT IS FROM OUR CURRENT FUNDING, WE WANTED TO MOVE IT FORWARD. 
          IT WAS REQUESTED FOR NEXT YEAR, SO WE'VE SHIFTED IT. 
          SO WE'RE PAYING FOR IT OUT OUT OF 26 RATHER THAN 27. 
          UM, SO THAT'S KIND OF WHY IT CAME UP. 
          NOW, NOW WILL THIS BE A TAKE HOME VEHICLE? NO. 
          NO. 
          AND IT WILL BE EQUIPPED WITH THE CLOUD AND IT'S A TWO 50, WHICH WE'LL BE ABLE TO HOLD, HAUL A LARGER TRAILER, WHICH IS WHY WE WENT TWO 50 INSTEAD OF ONE 50 BECAUSE THEY ONLY HAVE 1 2 50 RIGHT NOW THAT CAN HAUL A LARGER TRAILER. 
          SO THEY CAN ONLY PUT TWO MOWERS ON ONE OF THE TRAILERS. 
          THIS WAY THEY CAN HAVE TWO TRAILERS, THEY CAN PUT TWO MOWERS ON, WHICH FREES UP ANOTHER VEHICLE AND TWO OF THE SMALLER TRAILERS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THIS? UM, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT WAS THE, THE, WHAT DID THEY CALL IT? MAYBE YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT. 
          I WAS DISTRACTED. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, WHAT WAS THE UPFIT, WHAT ALL WAS THAT? DID YOU ALREADY ANSWERED THAT? IT'S IN THE ATTACHMENT. 
          I WANT, I'M GONNA GIVE THE WRONG NUMBER. 
          I THINK IT'S $16,000 FOR THE TOTAL UPFIT. 
          YEAH, IT'S 22,000, BUT I DON'T SEE, I MEAN IT SAYS ON THE, ON THE THING, MAYBE I'M MISSING IT. 
          IS THAT THE PLOW AND THE BID OR SOMETHING? WELL, NO, THE PLOW IS A SEPARATE PACKAGE. 
          IT'S SEPARATE AND IT'S A SEPARATE, HERE IT SAYS DEALER INSTALLATION CONTROLLED ITEMS. IT SAYS UPFIT 22,000. 
          PLEASE CIRCLE ADDITIONAL ITEMS ON PAGE. 
          IT SAYS SEE PAGE TWO FOR DETAILS. 
          WOULD UPFIT BE THE HITCH OR WOULD THAT MAYBE THAT'S IT. 
          MAYBE IT'S ALL OF THE AUTOMOTIVE QUALITY. 
          MAYBE IT'S ALL THAT STUFF ON PAGE TWO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M OKAY. 
          YEP. 
          I NOTICED ON THE COVER SHEET IT SAYS AN F THREE 50, NOT A TWO 50, IT MIGHT BE A THREE 50. 
          UM, IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN A THREE 50, SO IT NEEDS TO BE A THREE 50 OR TWO 50, WHICHEVER KIMBERLY PRICE. 
          I WAS SAYING THE ATTACHMENT WITH THE, UM, PROCUREMENT INFORMATION. 
          I, IT MAY BE A TYPO ONE. 
          WELL THAT JUST, I CAN FIND OUT IT. 
          I'M FINE. 
          I DID, I JUST NOTICED IT. 
          IT SAID THREE 50 ON THIS ONE PAGE. 
          SO WHAT WILL WE DO WITH THE SUV? IT WILL GO BACK TO PUBLIC WORKS 'CAUSE WE'VE BEEN BORROWING MR. BERRY'S . 
          SO WHAT WILL THEY USE IT FOR? I MEAN, I'M JUST, UM, IT WILL BE SO HE'S ABLE TO ACTUALLY HAVE A VEHICLE, HE'S BEEN USING HIS PERSONAL VEHICLE FOR ALL, UM, VISITS, WHICH PRIOR TO OKAY, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO TELL ME WHAT MR. PERRY DOES. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW. 
          SO WHEN HE GOES TO THE AIRPORT, WHEN HE GOES TO DIFFERENT MEETINGS, NORMALLY HE HAS A COUNTY VEHICLE. 
          A LOT OF TIMES WHEN YOU'RE GOING INTO THE FARMS YOU DON'T WANNA TAKE YOUR PERSONAL VEHICLE AND YOU MAY NOT BE ABLE TO FOR SOME AREAS. 
          UM, SO WHEN 
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BRAD'S VEHICLE BROKE DOWN, MR. BARRY GAVE UP HIS VEHICLE. 
          OH. 
          SO BRAD COULD USE OH, I THOUGHT YOU SAID PERRY, NOT BARRY. 
          OH NO, SORRY BARRY. 
          I WHAT YOU DO? I WAS LIKE MIKE , BUT YEAH, SO HE GAVE UP, I THOUGHT SHE SAID PERRY ONE OF HIS VEHICLES SO THAT BRAD COULD USE IT. 
          SO WE'RE TRYING TO OKAY. 
          UNTIE. 
          OKAY, THAT MAKES SENSE. 
          I JUST, WHEN YOU SAID PERRY, I WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW WHO THAT EVEN MEANS. 
          PAUL'S GETTING TO ME. 
          , I I FEEL YOUR PAIN THERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ONE? I AM LOOKING FOR THE PAGE. 
          I LOOKING FOR IT. 
          . 
          . 
          I GOT IT. 
          THAT'S WHY I LIKE PAPER. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR AUTHORIZE THE CHAIR OR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF A 2026. 
          I'M GONNA CORRECT IT TO F TWO 50 XL FOUR FOUR SD REGULAR CAB TRUCK FROM SHE FORD OF RICHMOND PER VIRGINIA SHERIFF'S ASSOCIATION. 
          CONTRACT NUMBER 25 DASH OH 8 0 9 1 7. 
          ITEM 10 IN THE AMOUNT OF $74,542 6 CENTS ON BEHALF OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON. 
          AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. 
          [L.3. Budget Action — Chester Gap Volunteer Fire Department]
ALL RIGHT. 
          CHESTER GAP. 
          AND JUST TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND ON CHESTER GAP, BACK WHEN COD HIT AND THE WORLD WAS TRYING TO ADJUST AND MAKE DO AND GET THROUGH, WE WENT INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH CHESTER GAP TO HELP FUND, UM, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE WE WERE, THEY WERE TOTAL VOLUNTEER SYSTEM AND LOST ALL THEIR VOLUNTEERS AND CHESTER GAP, UM, HANOCK AND UM, WARREN COUNTY SUPERVISORS GOT TOGETHER AND WORKED THAT OUT, UM, AS AN AGREEMENT. 
          AND IT'S BEEN BASICALLY, UM, PAYMENT ON PERCENTAGE OF CALLS, WHICH THE MOST CALLS ARE THEY'RE TAKEN ARE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO IT'S BEEN FLUCTUATING 60 40 IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, SINCE, AND CHESTER GAP HAS BEEN A FIRE DEPARTMENT SINCE 1960, I BELIEVE, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN, UM, RECOGNIZED AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM AS FAR AS SERVICE AREA, UM, MUCH LIKE WE DO WITH, UM, MUTUAL AID IN OTHER COUNTIES. 
          AND THEY DO FOR US, AND THIS WAS JUST KIND OF THINKING OUT OF THE BOX TO GET US THROUGH AND IT HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO BOTH COUNTIES. 
          UM, AND I, I FEEL IT'S IMPORTANT IT'S A ROCK THROW INTO HANOCK COUNTY. 
          YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO UP INTO, UH, CHESTER GAP TO GET TO HOMES THAT ARE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          YOU CAN'T GET TO 'EM ON OUR SIDE AND THE 24 7, UM, EMS AND FIRE PROTECTION THAT WE GET THAT BENEFITS OUR COMPANIES. 
          LIKE TODAY WHEN EVERYBODY WAS OUT AND WE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE CALLING, UM, I THINK IT'S, IS IT 11 OR 12 THAT COMES OUTTA MIDDLETOWN? I THINK 12, UM, TO COME HELP US BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO, UM, TAKE CARE OF ALL THE CALLS THAT WERE COMING IN. 
          SO, AND ESPECIALLY FOR THAT END WITH THE SUB, THE TWO BIG SUBDIVISIONS THAT, WELL, THERE'S THREE, BUT TWO OF THEM, THEY'RE LARGER THAN THE THIRD. 
          UM, LAKEFRONT ROYAL POINT OF WOODS AND THEN BLUE MOUNTAIN STATES, THEY, IT GIVES THEM A GREAT SENSE OF SECURITY KNOWING THAT CHESTER GAP IS THERE AND THEY RESPOND ALL OVER THE COUNTY. 
          I THINK THEY TOOK A CALL IN BENTONVILLE YESTERDAY. 
          UM, SO PERSONALLY I THINK WE GET A GREAT BANG FOR THE BUCK HAVING A THEM BE A MUTUAL AID AND IT'S MONEY WELL SPENT. 
          I'VE, I'VE OFTEN SAID FOR PEOPLE THAT THINK WE'RE PUTTING MONEY INTO HANOCK COUNTY, IT'S LIKE CALLING A CAB AND YOU PAY FOR THE CAB SERVICE. 
          AND THE SAME THING ON THE HANOCK SIDE. 
          SOME OF THE PEOPLE OVER THERE SAY, WHY ARE WE PUTTING MONEY IN WARREN COUNTY? AND I WOULD HOPE IF THEY MOVE 
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INTO WARREN COUNTY OR A BOUNDARY IS EVER DONE, WHICH I DON'T FORESEE, BUT THEY HAVE HAPPENED. 
          WE DID A BOUNDARY IN, UM, CHANDRA FARMS TO ADJUST PROPERTY INTO WARREN COUNTY OUT OF CLARK COUNTY THAT THIS RELATIONSHIP WOULD FOLLOW THROUGH AND RAPPAHANNOCK WOULD CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AT LEAST 40% INSTEAD OF US PAYING A HUNDRED OR THEY PAY A HUNDRED. 
          SO THAT'S JUST A SHORT UPDATE. 
          AND THIS WOULD MEAN, UM, SUPPORTING THEM THROUGH JUNE TO CONTINUE SERVICES WITH US SO THAT WE WOULD HAVE TIME TO SIT DOWN WITH HANOCK AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY OF EXTENDING THIS PAST OR NOT. 
          SO ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS? IF I COULD JUST ADD MAYBE A COUPLE THINGS? YES, SIR. 
          TO RECAP AS YOU HAVE DONE SO, UM, MARCH 3RD, UH, BY A VOTE, A VOTE OF FIVE ZERO, YOU HAVE NOW FUNDED APRIL. 
          AND THE REASON THIS IS ON HERE TONIGHT IS, UH, WE'RE ASKING YOU TO FUND MAY AND JUNE, WHICH WILL GIVE US TIME TO REVIEW THE MEMBER MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING THAT RAPID AHEAD HAS SENT US, WHICH YOU HAVE NOW IN YOUR PACKET. 
          AND DURING THAT MEETING, WE HOPE TO HAVE BOTH FIRE CHIEFS THERE, BOTH CHAIRS THERE, BOTH COUNTY ADMINISTRATORS THERE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY ARE SUGGESTING AND SEE IF THERE'S COMMON GROUND TO MOVE FORWARD IN SOME WAY. 
          UH, MY HOPE IS THAT WE CAN DISTRIBUTE TO ALL THOSE PARTICIPANTS IN A MEETING, A COMMON LANGUAGE OF RECALL, UH, CALL TIME, WHATEVER WE NEED TO PUT IN THERE SO WE ARE ALL REACTING FROM THE SAME PIECE OF INFORMATION. 
          UM, AND THAT MEETING IS GOING TO COME UP WITHIN THE NEXT TWO WEEKS. 
          I GUESS I SHOULD, THEY'VE ALREADY SENT US SOME DATES. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WILL HAPPEN IF THE FUNDING STOPS IS RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY WILL MOVE THAT EMS SYSTEM CORRECT TO FLINT HILL, WHICH WILL EXTEND THE CALL TIME, UM, RESPONSE INTO WARREN COUNTY AT A GREATER LENGTH OF TIME. 
          UM, OR CHESTER GAP WILL BE FORCED TO GIVE UP ITS EMS LICENSE AND NOT PROVIDE SERVICE AT ALL. 
          I'D LIKE TO ASK A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          SO WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT IS TO GET THROUGH FISCAL YEAR, RIGHT? MM-HMM . 
          UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD A, WE'VE HAD A FEW MEETINGS. 
          WE ACTUALLY HAD A MEETING WHERE WE VOTED AND WE VOTED ON OPTION B, UM, WHICH ESSENTIALLY DIDN'T FUND IT. 
          AND THERE'S NOTHING IN OUR BUDGET THAT DOES FUND IT. 
          I, I, IF I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN THAT OPTION WASN'T CHOSEN AND SO THAT IT'S JUST NOT THERE. 
          I I MEAN I'M, I'M, I'M JUST KIND OF WONDERING HOW, WHAT'S GOING TO COME OF THIS, UM, BECAUSE WE, WE JUST PASSED THE BUDGET. 
          WE, WE GOT $103 MILLION AND IT DOESN'T HAVE MONEY FOR THAT. 
          SO IS IS THERE A PLAN, LIKE WHERE THE MONEY'S GONNA COME FROM IF ALL THESE MEETINGS CAN HAPPEN AND, AND THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, IS THAT KNOWN? I MEAN WE WERE GONNA PULL IT OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND. 
          HAD YOU HAD INDICATED THAT YOU COULD TAKE X AMOUNT FOR 5 CENTS? WELL, I MEAN, I DIDN'T INDICATE THAT. 
          I I INDICATE IT OPTION TWO B NO. 
          YEAH, BUT I INDICATED WE'D TAKE A PENNY IN LIEU FIVE. 
          YEAH, WELL THAT WOULD BE THE CASE OF TAKING MONEY OUTTA RESERVES FOR AN ONGOING EXPENSE, WHICH IS CONTRARY TO ONE TIME. 
          WELL, IT MIGHT ONLY BE ONE TIME 'CAUSE WE EXPAND OUR OWN SERVICES, THEY MAY HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO COVER IT. 
          UM, WELL CURRENTLY THAT YOU'RE NOT, I HATE TO BE THE BAD GUY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW WHAT I, THERE, THIS, THIS INFORMATION'S BEEN DISTRIBUTED TO EVERYBODY AND I DON'T THINK IT'S, IT'S GETTING OUT THERE. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE IT. 
          UM, GO AHEAD AND I'LL GIVE IT BACK TO YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, , NOBODY EVER WANTS TO BE IN A POSITION OF REDUCING A SERVICE. 
          I MEAN THAT, BUT IT, BUT WE HAVE INFORMATION BEFORE US, AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE, IT NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST KNOWN. 
          UM, THERE'S A, IT'S CALLED THE ORANGE COUNTY FIRE RESCUE COMMUNITY RESPONSE COMPARISON USING CENTER ADDRESS LOCATION STUDY. 
          AND IT'S ALL NUMBERS. 
          I MEAN IT, OUR, I APOLOGIZE IF THIS IS SEEMING TO BE HEARTLESS TO PEOPLE WHO ARE AFFECTED, BUT HERE'S THE THING. 
          IF I LOOK AT ALL OF THE, OUT THE NINE OUTLYING AREAS, WHICH ARE NAMED, UM, THEY'RE NAMED IN THIS STUDY, BROWNTOWN, BLUE MOUNTAIN, MARY SHADY, THUNDERBIRD FARMS, 
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BENNINGS BEACH, SKYLINE ESTATES, LOCKE, LINDEN HIGH, BOWLING GREEN, THOSE ALL HAVE, UH, FIRST OUT AND ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FIFTH. 
          I'M PROBABLY USING THE WRONG TERM. 
          UM, FIRST RESPONSE DOWN TO THE FIFTH AND ALL, THEY ALL HAVE LIKE INDIVIDUAL MINUTES FOR FIRST RESPONSE, SECOND RESPONSE, AND THEN THERE'S AN AVERAGE. 
          AND, UM, I'M JUST GONNA ALL JUST READ THE NUMBERS. 
          UM, FOR ALL THOSE NINE 20 MINUTE AVERAGE, 21 MINUTE AVERAGE, 17 MINUTE AVERAGE, 16.8 MINUTE AVERAGE, 24 MINUTE AVERAGE, 18.6, 17.2, 16.4 TO 13.2, THE STUDY, UH, THE MATRIX STUDY RESULTED WITH A GOAL FOR URBAN, WHICH IS TOWN FRONT RURAL TO HAVE SIX AND A HALF MINUTE RESPONSE TIME AND SUB RURAL TO HAVE 10 MINUTES. 
          SO HENCE WE'RE ADDING SIX FIREFIGHTERS WHEN WE NEED WAY MORE THAN THAT TO EVEN, YOU KNOW, CHIP AWAY WHAT HE PUT, THEY PUT A NUMBER IN THERE. 
          YOU GOT IT. 
          WHAT WAS IT, 16 OR 12 OR WHATEVER. 
          I, WELL, THE MA I'M TRYING THE MATRIX STUDY CALLED FOR LIKE 40 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW NOTHING THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN 66, RIGHT? ON A SHORT TIMELINE, BUT WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. 
          THE POINT IS THAT THESE ARE THE NUMBERS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BEING CHIPPED AWAY AT. 
          NOW IF I LOOK AT THE, UM, THE, THE THREE COMMUNITIES PRIMARILY THAT ARE CLOSEST IN PROXIMITY TO CHESTER GAP, IT'S LAKEFRONT, ROYAL POINT OF WOODS, AND HARMONY HOLLOW. 
          AND THOSE NUMBERS, NOT SURPRISINGLY BECAUSE OF CHESTER GAP ARE 13.2, 13.4, 13.2. 
          NOW IF YOU COMPARE THAT TO 20 21, 17, 16, 24, 18, 17, 16, 13, IT'S WAY BETTER NOW. 
          THIS ALSO SHOWS WHAT HAPPENS WITHOUT THAT AUTOMATIC AID. 
          AND THEN IN THIS CASE, IN THAT CASE, LAKEFRONT ROYAL POINT OF WOODS AND HARMONY HOLLOW GETS TO 16, 16.8, 15.6, WHICH IS STILL BETTER THAN THE AVERAGE OF THE NINE THAT ARE, THAT ARE OUT THERE, THE OTHER RURAL. 
          SO THE POINT IS THAT ANY DOLLAR THAT WE SPEND IS A SYSTEM-WIDE DOLLAR. 
          WE HAVE A SYSTEM-WIDE GOAL OF GETTING TO A 10 MINUTE FOR, FOR, FOR RURAL SIX AND A HALF FOR, UM, FOR, UH, SO, UH, SORRY, SIX AND A HALF FOR TOWN. 
          YEAH. 
          URBAN AND, AND, UH, 10 FOR RURAL. 
          SO IT'S, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE CAN DO BOTH. 
          WHAT, WHAT WE HAVE IS REALLY IS THAT WHEN WE PUT TWO OR $300,000 CHESTER GAP WHERE WE ARE, AND FOR ANYONE OUT THERE, IT'S GREAT SUPPORTING 13, 13, 13 MINUTES, BUT WE ARE NOT ATTACKING THE 20 21, 17, 18, 24 16. 
          NO. 
          ALL THE REST OF THESE OUTLYING YARDS ARE NOT GETTING REDUCED BY ADDING STEP IF JUST, JUST SAY IF A DOLLAR IS SPENT TO, UM, KEEP CHESTER GAP AGREEMENT IN PLACE, THAT'S GREAT FOR ALL THESE 13 MINUTE TIMES, BUT IT IS NOT GREAT FOR THE OTHER NINE RURAL AREAS. 
          AND, AND THAT'S THE POINT IS THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IF YOU COULD SAY, WELL, WE'LL PUT 300 HERE AND 300 THERE, WELL, WELL, THEN YOU COULD PUT 600 TO ADDRESSING THE ENTIRE REDUCTION IN RESPONSE TIME RATHER THAN 300 TO KEEPING THREE OF THE OUTLYING AREAS AT 13 AND, AND NOT TAKING AS BIG A BITE OUT OF THE OTHER NINE. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S THE GENERAL BIG PICTURE OF THIS AND WHY IT'S A LITTLE BIT TROUBLING THAT, UM, WELL, ANYBODY, YOU KNOW, WE ALL HAVE CONSTITUENTS, WE ALL HAVE, UH, OUR OR OR YOU KNOW, MEANS WHAT, WHAT WOULD, WHAT WOULD THE THREE, WHAT WOULD THE 300,000 BUY, HOW MANY EMPLOYEES WOULD YOU GET? AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S IF WE, YOU JUST TAKE IT IN THREE. 
          IF YOU WANNA TAKE IT IN 3, 3 30, JUST SAY THREE 30. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT'D BE THREE AND THREE PEOPLE, RIGHT? RIGHT. 
          NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT 'EM. 
          WILL THAT, WILL THAT REPLACE A 24 7 EMT SERVICE? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT WHAT THEY'RE ALL, I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE RIGHT QUESTION. 
          NO, IT'S EXACTLY THE RIGHT QUESTION. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T. 
          FOR $300,000 THE QUESTION YOU'LL GET A 24 HOUR EMT SERVICE. 
          THEY REQUIRE NO ASSET REPLACING. 
          THEY'VE ASKED NO MONEY FOR THE TRUCK, AND YOU ONLY PAY FOR THE PERCENTAGE THAT YOU USE. 
          THE QUESTION IS WHETHER THE MONEY CAN GO INTO THE SYSTEM IS GOING TO, IT'LL GET THREE, IT'LL GET YOU THREE PEOPLE, AND THOSE THREE PEOPLE WILL NOT REPLACE WHICH YOU'RE CURRENTLY GETTING. 
          WE NEED 16. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS A BRIDGE. 
          16. 
          WELL, MY, MY NO TO GET THERE. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING PAST EACH OTHER. 
          ANY DOLLAR PER SHIP THAT'S SPENT TO ESSENTIALLY SUBSIDIZE THREE OUTLYING AREAS 
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COULD, COULD BE SPENT TO ADDRESS SYSTEM WELL, SYSTEM WIDE. 
          THEY'RE CLOSEST TO FRONT ROW. 
          AND FRONT ROW IS MAXED OUT. 
          AND THAT HAPPENS A GOOD BIT. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA ADD A HUNDRED AND SOME HOUSES ON HAPPY CREEK ROAD. 
          AND I MEAN, THAT, THAT'S THE POINT. 
          CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, PLEASE. 
          ACTUALLY, I'M, I'M DONE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          MR. CARNEY. 
          NO, I APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I'D JUST LIKE TO BACK WHAT, WHAT'S BEFORE AND BEFORE THIS IS JUST TO EXTEND, UM, THE FUNDING FOR MAY AND JUNE. 
          I'D PREFER TO DO IT TILL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR, BUT THAT'S OKAY. 
          UM, , BUT NO, JUST TO DO THAT BECAUSE THAT'LL GIVE TIME. 
          'CAUSE I'M NOT TOTALLY WEDDED TO CONTINUING THE CURRENT SITUATION. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, POINTS MADE TONIGHT WERE VALID, BUT I THINK LET'S DO THIS. 
          WE GET IT. 
          AND THEN I THINK, UH, DR. MARTIN HAD SAID YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO SCHEDULE A MEETING WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE OF WEEKS. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND SEE IF THERE IS ANY TYPE OF COMMON GROUND. 
          'CAUSE I'VE SEEN A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          WE PAID 180, THEN THEY WERE TALKING AND IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S, WHAT'S RIGHT OUT THERE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW. 
          AND I DO APPRECIATE THE, THE, THE, ARE WE BETTER OFF? AND I SAID THAT BEFORE, PUTTING THOSE RESOURCES INTO OUR OWN COUNTYWIDE SERVICE AS OPPOSED TO DOING THIS. 
          BUT THERE'S A LOT OF, UH, NUMBERS INFORMATION OUT THERE THAT NEEDS TO KIND OF BE CORRALLED AND, AND LOOKED AT. 
          SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, FUNDING, LET'S SEE, COST. 
          I MOVED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO ALLOCATE $30,200 TO THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          MR. ANDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          [L.6. Modification to the Board of Supervisors Meeting Policy and Procedures (Part 1 of 2)]
NEXT IS NUMBER SIX. 
          AND MR. JENISON, THAT WAS YOURS. 
          CAN I, CAN, CAN I, UH, CAN I, UH, CAN I MAKE A POINT ON NUMBER SIX? YES. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I'M SKIPPING AROUND. 
          MY NUMBERS ARE A WORD. 
          YES SIR. 
          NUMBER SIX IS THE POLICIES AND PART PROCEDURES, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          UM, I AM ANTICIPATING THIS IS GOING TO BE A, A LENGTHY CONVERSATION BECAUSE THERE ARE A LOT OF CHANGES. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I THINK THERE'S ONE CHANGE IN THERE THAT IS PROBABLY NOT TOO DISPUTED, WHICH WOULD BE MOVING THE BOARD REPORTS AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND ATTORNEY REPORT UP TO AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT. 
          THE REST OF IT, I THINK COULD TAKE AN EXCESSIVELY LONG TIME. 
          AND I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO, TO SPEND OUR BANDWIDTH TONIGHT AND OUR, OUR CYCLES ON THE, THE TWO ITEMS IN THE NEW BUSINESS SECTION OF THE AGENDA. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO MOVE THAT, UM, THAT WE IMMEDIATELY EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, UH, ADOPT THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO ITEM THREE DASH ONE IN THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE HANDBOOK, THE ORDER OF BUSINESS MOVING BOARD REPORTS, COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE REPORTS. 
          COUNTY ATTORNEY REPORTS TO ITEM D ON THE DEFAULT AGENDA IMMEDIATELY AFTER PUBLIC COMMENT IN THAT WE TABLE THE REST OF, UH, THE FINE TUNING OF THE POLICY AND PROCEDURE TO A FUTURE DATE, UH, POTENTIALLY APRIL 28TH, BUT, UH, YOU KNOW, SOMETIME IN THE NEAR FUTURE. 
          SO THAT'S MY MOTION. 
          I'LL SECOND IT. 
          I DON'T SEE, TO ME IT'S ONLY TWO ITEMS. THE ONE AS FAR AS CONFIDENTIALITY IN THAT. 
          SO I DON'T SEE, UNLESS I'M MISSING SOMETHING. 
          HOWEVER, I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO DO THAT, UH, TO MOVE THE BOARD REPORTS TO UP, UP THE MEETING. 
          AND AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THAT, UM, SIX DAYS WOULD BE THAT BIG. 
          WHAT, WHAT, WHAT'S THE 28TH? OR IS, IS ALL WE HAVE IS THE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE ON THE 28TH OFFHAND? YEAH, THE MANUFACTURED HOME PUBLIC HEARING. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT'S IT. 
          UH, ONE MORE. 
          DEPUTY CLARKVILLE. 
          THERE IS THE, UH, ITEM TO SET THE PERCENTAGE OF TAX RELIEF FOR PERSONAL PROPERTY. 
          OKAY. 
          NO, I THINK I WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. 
          I MEAN, THERE AGAIN, IT'S NOT TOO FAR. 
          I KNOW WHEN WE WALKED THIS UP INITIALLY WHERE THE MORNING MEETINGS WERE JUST SUPPOSED TO BE HOUSE CLEANING AND I DIDN'T REALLY THINK OH, THAT IS IN A MORNING MEETING, ISN'T IT? NO, NO, THE 28TH IS, OH, IT'S NOT 28TH, RIGHT? 28TH IS NOT, I'M NOT GONNA BE HERE ON THE 28TH THAT FOR THE MOBILE TAX RATE. 
          HE'S NOT GONNA BE HERE BEFORE. 
          WHO'S NOT MR. HAN. 
          IT'S A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          IT'S NOT YOUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          OH, OKAY. 
          AND I WOULD PREFER THAT HE WOULD BE HERE TO HELP ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WOULD THE NEXT MEETING AFTER THAT BE THE DAY MEETING MAY 5TH, WHICH IS A DAY MEETING. 
          SO HOW ABOUT MAY 19TH? I DON'T WANNA PUSH IT BACK THAT FAR. 
          WOULD THERE BE ANY OBJECTION IF WE HAD IT ON THE MAY 5TH? CINCO DE MAYO? I WON'T BE HERE. 
          I THINK WE SHOULD ALL BE HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH, DEFINITELY. 
          WHY DON'T YOU JUST DO IT TONIGHT. 
          I'M NOT OPPOSED TO SPENDING THE TIME ON IT TONIGHT. 
          GET IT OVER WITH. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, WE'VE HAD PLENTY OF TIME. 
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WE'VE GOT MR. HAM HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. 
          WE, WHAT ELSE DO WE HAVE? UM, ON A NEW BUSINESS, THE BUDGET? YEP. 
          THE LAST ONE. 
          YEAH. 
          YES. 
          HMM. 
          LET'S DO THIS. 
          MAYBE , UH, WHAT IF WE WENT TO THE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS? CAN WE GO TO THE NEW BUSINESS ITEMS ONE AND TWO AND SEE HOW LONG THAT TAKES? AND THEN WE CAN REVISIT THIS. 
          THAT, THAT WOULD BE GOOD. 
          ESPECIALLY IF WE HAVE THE AIRPORT COMMITTEE STILL HERE. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YEAH. 
          IS THAT OKAY? I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO THAT. 
          THAT'S IT ME WOULD BE AMENDED THE AGENDA AND YOU CAN JUST DO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF EVERYONE'S IN AGREEMENT, WE'LL FINISH THIS ONE AND MOVE ON TO THE NEW BUSINESS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE TO VOTE ON THAT OR NO. 
          OKAY. 
          [M.1. Budget and Appropriation Resolution for FY 2026-2027]
OKAY. 
          BUDGET, UH, BUDGET AND APPROPRIATION RESOLUTION. 
          ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? WOULD, WHERE IS THE NUMBER? IS IT NUMBER ONE? YEAH. 
          IT'S NEAR THE END. 
          OKAY. 
          GOT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO BASICALLY THIS IS, UM, CONFIRMING THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED AND THAT'S NOT BEEN TOUCHED. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THAT'S THE, THAT, THAT, THAT IS THE BUDGET THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THE PUBLIC HEARING LAST TUESDAY OR WHATEVER. 
          OKAY. 
          CORRECT. 
          SINCE WE ARE GOING TO BE AT LEAST HAVING A DISCUSSION WITH CHESTER GAP, SHOULD ANYTHING BE WORDED IN HERE TO COVER ANY POSSIBLE APPROPRIATION? I SUGGEST NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU CAN COME BACK. 
          I JUST, AND DO A BUDGET AMENDMENT LATER. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S LESS THAN 1% THAN NEED THEM REQUIRE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE BEFORE WE WISHED I, I WISHED I'D ASKED THAT QUESTION, SO THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          I MOVE THAT THE, LET'S SEE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I MOVE THAT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING FISCAL YEAR 20 26, 20 27 BUDGET AND APPROPRIATING FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY, VIRGINIA. 
          SECOND, SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          MR. HENRY AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STANIER? AYE. 
          IT TAKES A MINUTE TO GET DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. 
          OKAY. 
          [M.2. Additional Appropriation - Front Royal-Warren County Airport - Box Hangar Project]
ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION, FRONT WORLD, WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT BOX HANGER PROJECT, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD. 
          SO, UH, I THINK THE, UM, CHAIRMAN AND VICE CHAIRMAN DID AN OUTSTANDING JOB JUSTIFYING THE NEED FOR ADDING SIX HANGERS AT THE WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT. 
          AS WE HAVE DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY, A WAY TO TO FUND THIS ONE WAY AFTER THE DAVENPORT PRESENTATION WAS TO GO LOOK AT A WAY TO BORROW THE MONEY. 
          WE HAVE SPOKEN WITH, UM, DAVENPORT, WHO IN TURN HAS SPOKEN WITH VRA, AND I'M GONNA READ TO YOU WHAT I HAVE RECEIVED BACK FROM THEM. 
          WE WOULD NEED THE FIVE MOST RECENT AUDITS THROUGH FY 2025 IN ORDER TO COMPLETE THE CREDIT ANALYSIS 
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FOR A LOAN THAT WOULD CLOSE IN CALENDAR 2026. 
          AND ASSUMING THE COUNTY PROVIDES OPERATIONAL SUPPORT TO THE AIRPORT, WE LIKELY WILL BE LOOKING FOR A MORAL OBLIGATION PLEDGE TO THE COUNTY TO SUPPLEMENT A REVENUE PLEDGE. 
          SO IT APPEARS THAT, UM, GOING THROUGH, UH, THIS REALM WOULD NOT BE ADVANTAGEOUS. 
          HOWEVER, THEY INDICATED THAT YOU COULD GO TO SOME BANKS AND GET A LOAN. 
          THAT IS A POSSIBILITY KNOWING THAT YOU'RE GOING TO USE THE REVENUE FROM THE HANGAR RENTALS TO PAY FOR THE LOAN. 
          THE OTHER AVENUE IS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT $1,547,000. 
          UH, THE ADMINISTRATION'S RECOMMENDATION IS TO MAKE THIS A ONE-TIME COST AND PAY FOR THIS OUT OF THE FUND BALANCE. 
          DID, DID WE EVER FIND OUT IF WE, IF WE FUND THIS? 'CAUSE IT, IT IS BASICALLY YOU'RE CARRYING IT TO THE AIRPORT FUNDS. 
          IF WE CAN CHARGE AN INTEREST, LIKE IS THIS LIKE A LOAN SITUATION THAT WE'RE WE HAD THAT CONVERSATION AS WELL, . 
          SO THE, THE, UH, WARREN COUNTY OWNS THE AIRPORT. 
          THE AIRPORT COMMISSION RUNS THE AIRPORT. 
          ALTHOUGH ULTIMATELY Y'ALL RUN THE AIRPORT BECAUSE IT'S WARREN COUNTY'S AIRPORT. 
          YOU COULD USE FUND BALANCE FUNDS, UH, TO PAY THIS AND THEN HAVE THE COUNTY PAID BACK FROM THAT ENTERPRISE FUND. 
          YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE YOU, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY DID THAT IN WHATEVER MOTION YOU DID, AND THEN YOU WOULD WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE ACCOUNTING WAS, WAS CLEARLY DONE WHERE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE MONEY EARNED FROM THE AIRPORT GOES BACK TO THAT. 
          AND THE REASON FOR THAT IS THAT VARIOUS GRANTS THAT THE AIRPORT'S GOTTEN, UH, I BELIEVE SAY THAT YOU NEED TO BE DOING IT THAT WAY. 
          UM, BASICALLY MONEY EARNED BY THE AIRPORT NEEDS TO BE PUT BACK INTO THE AIRPORT. 
          CAN CAN, CAN THAT ENTITY BE CHARGED INTEREST FOR THIS MONEY? NO, BECAUSE IT'S YOURSELF. 
          RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WAS WONDERING ABOUT THAT. 
          UH, JUST, I, I STUDIED ECONOMICS BACK IN THE DAY AND, UH, THIS IS SIMILAR TO WHAT THEY WOULD TEACH ABOUT A, A COMPANY THAT IS SO-CALLED VERTICALLY INTEGRATED. 
          LIKE IT MAY HAVE SUBSIDIARIES. 
          AND RATHER THAN SUBSIDIZING THEM, IT SHOULD CHARGE THE MARKET RATES FOR THINGS BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU GET DISTORTED INCENTIVES AND DISTORTED DECISION MAKING. 
          AND IF WE COULD CHARGE INTEREST, AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE PROFIT MAKING INTEREST, BUT IF WE AT LEAST CHARGE NEUTRAL INTEREST, SUCH AS, UH, MATCHING THE VIP FUND INTEREST RATE, WE, WE CURRENTLY 3.8% OR WHATEVER IT IS, IT WOULDN'T BE NECESSARILY INAPPROPRIATE BECAUSE IT REFLECTS THE OPPORTUNITY COSTS THAT WE HAVE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, IF YOU PUT THAT MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND TOWARD THE AIRPORT, YOU CAN'T PUT IT TOWARDS ROOFS ON THE SCHOOLS, FOR EXAMPLE, OR, OR ROOFS ON THIS BUILDING, FOR EXAMPLE. 
          UM, IT WOULD GET THEM A COMPETITIVE RATE THAT'S BETTER THAN THEY WOULD GET FROM A COMMERCIAL BANK AND IT WOULD AVOID ALL THE DAVENPORT, VRA HEADACHES WITH AUDITS AND, AND WHATNOT. 
          UM, TO ME IT WOULD SEEM A LOT MORE JUSTIFIABLE IF, IF WE COULD DO THAT. 
          AND I LOOKED AT THE 1.5 MILLION AT 3.8%. 
          IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE UNDER $7,000 A MONTH IF YOU DID 30 YEARS, WHICH IS A REASONABLE LIFE EXPECTANCY FOR THOSE HANGERS. 
          AND THE, THE RENT WOULDN'T FULLY COVER 7,000. 
          BUT IF YOU TAKE THE OTHER REVENUE STREAMS THAT THEY TALKED ABOUT THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT, INCLUDING THE FUEL AND THE, UH, THE PROPERTY TAX ON THE, ON THE AIRCRAFT AND AND SO FORTH, UM, PLUS BUSINESS LICENSES FOR INDIFFERENT, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, BUSINESSES OPERATING OUT OF SOME OF THOSE HANGERS, I I THINK THEY WOULD ACTUALLY BE IN A REVENUE POSITIVE SITUATION FOR THE AIRPORT TOO, WHERE THEY MAY BE ABLE TO POCKET, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE THOUSAND OF A MONTH TO PUT TOWARD O OTHER THINGS AND STILL MAKE THE COUNTY WHOLE. 
          SO UNLESS IT'S ILLEGAL, I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT WE DO THAT. 
          BUT, UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT, IT, THE ISSUE IS IT'S, THERE'S ONE, ONE ENTITY AND YEAH, THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          THIS IS WHY PRIVATE ENTERPRISE HAS IT BETTER THAN THE COUNTY DOES. 
          IF THE COUNTY COULD DECIDE TO CREATE AN LLC AND THEN PUT THE ASSETS OF THE AIRPORT, OR IN THIS LIMITED LIABILITY COMPANY, YOU COULD ABSOLUTELY DO THAT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          BUT THAT, THAT'S NOT THE WORLD THAT Y'ALL LIVE IN. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD GET, UH, A LOAN. 
          I MEAN, THE WAY KIND OF AROUND THAT TO, TO KEEP, BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND THE POINT THAT IT'S THE OPPORTUNITY COST OF THE COUNTY'S MONEY GONE. 
          THE WAY AROUND THAT IS TO GET A LOAN. 
          AND I, I, I'VE HEARD WHAT DAVENPORT HAD SAID. 
          I I DON'T KNOW IF VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY IS OUT OF THE 
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PICTURE BECAUSE OF LACK OF THE, UH, THE, UH, AUDITS THAT MEAN THAT BE A QUESTION TO ASK AS, YOU KNOW, THE, UM, YOUR DAVENPORT'S ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTION, DAVENPORT PROBABLY EXPECTS THAT YOU WOULD HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY IS A PUBLIC BODY THAT EXISTS TO PROVIDE FINANCING FOR LOCALITIES. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THEIR RULES ARE. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REQUIRE AN AUDIT. 
          AND, UH, IF THEY DON'T, THEN YOU GET, YOU KNOW, THEIR CREDIT RATING. 
          'CAUSE THEY THEN RESELL THAT LOAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THE DISADVANTAGES, YOU PAY 'EM A QUARTER OF A PER CENT, UM, ADMINISTRATIVE FEE. 
          UM, BUT I'VE WORKED ON DOZENS OF LOANS WITH THE VIRGINIA RESOURCE AUTHORITY, AND TYPICALLY EVEN WITH THAT ADMINISTRATIVE FEE, IT ENDS UP BEING BETTER TERMS MM-HMM . 
          SO IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO USE THE COUNTY'S FUND BALANCE MONEY AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION SERVICE, THE YOU SERVICE, THE, THE COUNTY SERVICES LOAN, UM, WITH AIRPORT COMMISSION FUNDS AS YOU GO THROUGH MM-HMM . 
          AND THE REASON TO BE CAREFUL WITH THIS IS THAT YOU, THERE'S MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF, UM, GRANTS OUT THERE AT THE AIRPORT THAT ARE ALL, YOU KNOW, CALLABLE BACK. 
          YOU GONNA REPAY 'EM IF YOU DON'T SPEND THE MONEY AT THE AIRPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVEN'T SEEN ALL OF THEM, BUT I KNOW THAT THERE ARE SOME, I'VE SEEN SOME OF THEM THAT SAY THAT. 
          NO, NO, I AGREE. 
          AND, AND SOME OF THOSE GRANTS, WE PAY PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR COMPARED TO WHAT THE FED FEDERAL A FAA AND THE VIRGINIA AVIATION, UH, ADMINISTRATION PUT IN. 
          SO IT'S ADVANTAGEOUS TO DO IT. 
          UM, I'M JUST, I DO HAVE NOT TO INTERRUPT, MR. BERRY, IS THIS OVER, THIS MONEY PAID OUT OVER TIME, LUMP SUM AT THE, YOU KNOW, HOW, HOW IS THIS? AND I COULDN'T HEAR EVERYTHING REALLY GOOD BACK THERE. 
          UM, IS THIS, WHICH YOU SAID THIS MONEY OR WHICH 1.5. 
          OKAY. 
          YES. 
          RIGHT. 
          IS THIS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT'S PHASED OVER A YEAR, TWO YEARS? OR IS THIS THE LUMP SUM AT THE FRONT? THIS, THE, AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN I'M, I WOULD HOPE MAYBE IT WOULD COME DOWN A LITTLE BIT. 
          THIS IS AN ENGINEERING ESTIMATE FOR THE COMPLETION OF THE PROJECT. 
          SO THE FIRST PART OF THE PROJECT, THE SITE WORK, WHICH WE'VE ALMOST GOT COMPLETE, WE'LL GET THAT MONEY BACK AS SOON AS WE SUBMIT AN INVOICE, WE SUBMIT AN INVOICE, IT COMES BACK. 
          UM, THIS PART OF THE PROJECT, YOU KNOW, THE FIRST, AND I, YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS ON WHERE IT FLOWS. 
          BUT 563,000, IF I GET MOVING, I'M SURE I CAN PROBABLY BUILD ONE OF THE BIGGEST WITH THAT AND I'LL GET THAT IMMEDIATELY BACK. 
          THE REST OF THE MONEY, WHATEVER WE WOULD FINANCE WOULD, I WOULD HAVE TO PAY, YOU KNOW, OVER TIME WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY, AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE, WE WOULD BEGIN COLLECTING MONTHLY ON THE RENT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THAT WOULD BE TURNED IMMEDIATELY OVER. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I MEAN THE, I MEAN, MR. STEINMEYER HIT A LOT OF POINTS. 
          THERE'S A WHOLE LOT OF DIFFERENT REVENUE STREAMS, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T THINK $7,000 AN UNLIKELY NUMBER. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THE 40 BY 40 TWOS, I'D SAY PROBABLY, YOU KNOW, JOHN AND I WERE TALKING ABOUT IT TODAY, PROBABLY $600. 
          SO EACH, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER ONES WE'RE PROBABLY LOOKING, YOU KNOW, AND I'M THE SITTING IN STONE, BUT PROBABLY 1200 EACH. 
          SO I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A LITTLE FLEXIBILITY THERE TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WELL THIS, YOU KNOW, WE SET THOSE RATES. 
          IT SAYS THE COUNTY WAS AWARDED THE 1.2, RIGHT? IS THAT THE MATCHING? THAT'S THE, OR THAT YEAH, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE GETTING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S NOT A MATCH. 
          THAT'S SITE, THAT'S FOR THE SITE WORK. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S THE SITE WORK. 
          THAT'S SO WHEN YOU SAY REIMBURSEMENT, THAT'S THE YES. 
          SO, SO, SO THE SITE WORK ITSELF THAT'S ALREADY PAID FOR, WE ALREADY HAVE THE FUNDING. 
          WE HAVE THAT IN OUR BUDGET. 
          UM, THAT'S, AS THE BILLS COME IN, WE, I SUBMIT MYSELF TO THE STATE AND THEY REIMBURSE. 
          UM, IT GOES DIRECTLY TO FAA AND STATE MONEY GOES RIGHT INTO THE, UH, TREASURER'S OFFICE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OKAY. 
          I'LL GO BACK TO THE GENERAL FUND WHEN IT'S REIMBURSED. 
          YEAH. 
          RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I MEAN, I HEAR ALL OF THE POINTS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND I THINK MR. KOZINSKI, YOU KNOW, HE MADE A POINT ABOUT THE COUNTY BEING THE MANAGEMENT, YOU KNOW, SO ESSENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, AT THIS POINT, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM WITH THE PAPERWORK THAT'S ON ME, ON MY HEAD, BECAUSE I'M DEALING WITH EVERYTHING DIRECTLY FOR THE COUNTY, THE COMMISSION IS SET IN PRIORITIES JUST LIKE A LOT OF OUR SANITARY DISTRICTS AND YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THERE ARE OTHER AVENUES. 
          I MEAN, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE CAN CHARGE AN INTEREST RATE IF YOU DO IT INTERNALLY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY UP TO YOU. 
          I MEAN, BUT I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW WHY YOU WANNA CHARGE YOURSELF MONEY WHEN WELL, WE SAY WE CAN'T DO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE CAN'T. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THAT'S OFF TABLE, RIGHT. 
          THE IDEA IS THAT IS I'M GONNA PULL THIS MONEY OUTTA THE GENERAL FUND AND IF IT SITS IN THE GENERAL FUND, IT DRAWS INTEREST. 
          YEP. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO BY PULLING IT OUT, IF IT'S NOT GONNA MAKE THE REVENUE BACK FOR THE COUNTY THAT THE INTEREST WOULD RIGHT. 
          I'M ACTUALLY LOSING A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY YEAH. 
          INCOME 
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FOR THE COUNTY NOW. 
          EXACTLY. 
          HOPEFULLY, YOU KNOW, I WAS REALLY HOPING, GOSH, WE HAD A GOOD IDEA AND YOU KILLED IT, JASON MONEY . 
          BUT IF IT'S NOT, DON'T SHOOT THE MESSENGER. 
          YOU KNOW, IF, IF YOU ALL COULD DO EVERYTHING PRIVATE ENTERPRISE COULD DO. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I MEAN, BUT IF IT'S SITTING THERE, THE, THE 1.5 AND YOU'RE PAYING IT OUT IN INCREMENTS, IT'S STILL SITTING THERE COLLECTING SOME INTEREST FOR SOME, SOME OF IT'S THERE FOR SOME OF THE TIME. 
          ONCE IT'S OUT, IT'S, IT'S HOW LONG IT OUT GET TO 1.5 BACK, IT'D BE DECADES, YOU KNOW? OH. 
          AND IF THAT 1.5 STATE AND THE GENERAL FUND FOR THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME, LOOK AT THE INTEREST OF A DRAW. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I WAS HOPING WE COULD CHARGE A SMALL INTEREST RATE JUST EQUAL THAT'S TRUE TO WHAT IT EARNED THAT OVER 30 YEARS. 
          WHAT'S THE INTEREST RATE OF BORROWING? WELL, YEAH. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU GOTTA LOOK AT THAT TOO. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL IT MAKE ITS SAME PAYMENT IF THE MONEY'S BORROWED. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          IT'LL MAKE ITS OWN PAYMENT. 
          HOPEFULLY MAKE ITS OWN PAYMENT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          WE'LL MAKE OUR OWN PAYMENT. 
          I MEAN, AS YOU KNOW, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, I MEAN, IT DEPENDS ON THE NUMBER OF PLANES THAT YOU BRING IN THE, THE SPACE THAT WE FREE UP, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LIKELY TO CHANGE OTHER LEASES. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA BRING IN ADDITIONAL, IF YOU BRING ADDITIONAL 20 PLANES, THE MONEY IS ON THE FUEL. 
          IT'S NOT ON, WE DON'T GET THAT MUCH IN TAX REVENUE. 
          WE PUT THAT BACK IN THERE, BUT WE'RE LOOKING AT AROUND 20 GRAND. 
          SHERRY COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU THAT EXACT NUMBER. 
          I THINK IT'S FLOATED BETWEEN 18 AND 22. 
          THAT'LL GO UP SLIGHTLY, BUT IT'S NOT GONNA BE A HUGE AMOUNT OF TAX INCREASE. 
          BUT YOU SAW THE FUEL SALES, UM, WE USED TO GET YEAH. 
          THAT, THAT LOOKED LIKE YOUR WINNER WAS YOUR FUEL TANK. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT USED TO BE FBO DRIVEN, YOU KNOW, AND PART TWO OF THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WE USED TO HAVE SOMEBODY THAT LIVED THERE AND, AND THAT PERSON NOT ONLY PAID THE COUNTY AFTER A CERTAIN VOLUME AND THEY WEREN'T DOING THE VOLUME THAT WE'RE DOING NOW MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I DON'T HAVE ANY DOUBT THAT WE'LL PAY OUR OWN PAYMENT ALONG THE WAY. 
          NO DOUBT AT ALL. 
          I, I'D BE MORE AP TRYING TO BORROW IT. 
          I WOULD PULL IT OUT THE GENERAL, GENERAL PHONE OUTTA THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          WELL, IF IT'S POSSIBLE, IT WAS POSSIBLE, WE'RE NOT EVEN GUARANTEED. 
          IF WE COULD BORROW IT, THEN, WELL, I THINK WE COULD GO AHEAD AND, AND EARMARK 1.5 FROM THE GENERAL FUND THAT'D BE RESTRICTED AND SITTING THERE AND LIKE MR. BARRY SAID, IT WOULD COME OUT INCREMENTALLY. 
          AND THEN IN THE MEANTIME, THAT WOULD GIVE US THE OPPORTUNITY TO CHECK WITH VRS OR WHOEVER, V-R-A-V-A. 
          YEAH. 
          VRA. 
          YEAH. 
          M-O-U-S-E AND, UH, FIND OUT IF THERE'S ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT MAY BE VIABLE TO GO AHEAD AND BORROW IN THE MEANTIME. 
          WELL, THEY HAVE AN AIRPORT FUND, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, AGAIN, UH, I DON'T KNOW EVERY RULE IN REGULATION, BUT IT STARTS WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION WHO GAVE US THE $1.2 MILLION MM-HMM . 
          AND THEY ARE A BOARD THAT SITS FOR THE AIRPORT FUND FOR THE VRA. 
          SO CAN WE GET MORE OUT OF THEM? YES. 
          YEP. 
          SO YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO GET SOME MORE GRANT PROGRESSIVE. 
          SO, WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT, I MEAN, THAT'S SOMETHING LIKE I I MENTIONED EARLIER, INFRASTRUCTURE MONEY IS NOT COMMON WITH HANGERS, GENERAL AVIATION FOR HANGERS. 
          BECAUSE WHEN YOU TAKE FEDERAL DOLLARS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SAYING, HEY, EVERYTHING ELSE IS GOOD. 
          SO A HANGER IS NOT, YOU KNOW, YOUR RUNWAY OR YOUR TAXI WAY, OR THOSE IMPORTANT ITEMS THAT ARE REALLY BIG DOLLARS MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT'S NOT LIKELY TO GET IT. 
          SO WE MADE A DECISION, HEY, THIS IS FREE MONEY. 
          THIS INFRASTRUCTURE ACT MONEY AND HANGERS IS SOMETHING WE NEED. 
          AND WE CAN, WE CAN START THIS THING AND WE CAN ACTUALLY MOVE THE CHAINS. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR ABOUT FIVE YEARS NOW TO GET WHERE WE ARE. 
          GOSH, I REALLY LIKE TO DO IT. 
          IF I CAN GET THE MATH TO WORK OUT WHERE IT'S, YEAH. 
          I HATE TO LEAVE THAT RETAIN WHILE THE TAXPAYER, THE TAXPAYER NOT HAVING TO SUBSIDIZE IT TO KEEP ITS SAME PAYMENT PAID FOR. 
          WELL, MAYBE. 
          WELL, BECAUSE I KNOW EVENTUALLY ONCE IT'S PAID FOR, IT'S ALWAYS IN THAT POSITIVE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          WHAT IF WE BECAME AN AUTHORITY? AGAIN, CHARGE I'M, I'M IN, I LIKE THE PROJECT, BUT I'M NOT AS A, NOT AS A USE OF CASH. 
          I MEAN, I, I THINK IT'S A CASH GENERATOR. 
          SO IT'S A PERFECT INSTANCE IN WHICH A LOAN SHOULD BE OBTAINED. 
          UM, WE, WE, I, WE HAVE, WE TALK ABOUT ROOFS, WE NEED, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY, UM, YOU KNOW, BOTH SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY NEEDS CAPITAL ASSET REPLACEMENT. 
          YOU DO, YOU PROBABLY NEED TRUCKS. 
          AND, AND I MEAN, THOSE THINGS NEVER PAY FOR THEMSELVES. 
          THEY'RE ALWAYS SUNK COSTS. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEN WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR A PROJECT THAT'S NEEDS CAPITAL, BUT IT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ITSELF. 
          THAT'S A CANDIDATE IN MY VIEW, FOR A LOAN I'M NOT IN FAVOR OF, OF, OF, OF APPROPRIATING CASH TO. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, FOR IT, I THINK IT'S, I HOPE IT HAPPENS, BUT, RIGHT. 
          WELL, YOU'RE LOOKING AT, AND THE PROJECTS THAT I'VE SUBMITTED IN THIS BUDGET CYCLE, I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT ME BRINGING IN PROBABLY FIVE OF THE 6 MILLION, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT FIGURE, UM, OF, YOU KNOW, FREE FEDERAL AND STATE DOLLARS, YOU KNOW, SO, YOU KNOW, FOR THE ROAD SYSTEMS, IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO WORKING WITH VDOT EXCEPT FOR THERE'S LESS FOLKS, UM, IN, IN THE AVIATION DEPARTMENT. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE MORE IN THE MAIN LINE WITH, AS PAUL MENTIONED, IT'S PART OF THE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE, WELL, I MEAN, I'VE DEALT WITH FAA AND FCC AND ALL KINDS OF THREE LETTER PEOPLE 
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IN THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS. 
          AND WE DO A WHOLE LOT AS MR. MEYER MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTRY AND IN THE COMMONWEALTH THAT PEOPLE DON'T REALIZE. 
          BUT I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'LL, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GONNA GET CHEAPER IN THE FUTURE. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR A LONG TIME, AND I THINK, I DON'T KNOW IF ZACH CAN PUT THE PICTURE BACK UP, BUT GOT A BIG OLD GIANT RETAINING WALL THAT'S PROBABLY DONE TODAY, AND WE'RE JUST GONNA LEAVE IT THERE YEARS AGO, IF WE WOULD'VE WENT AHEAD AND BUILT SOME HANGERS, THOSE PLACES ARE READY. 
          ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS CHANGE. 
          AND GUESS WHAT, NOW I GOT OVER A MILLION DOLLARS IN SITE WORK. 
          IF I LET IT SIT FOR ANOTHER 10 YEARS, I MIGHT HAVE $2 MILLION TO PUT ON TOP OF THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, DIDN'T REALIZE UNTIL THE PRESENTATION TONIGHT, I KNEW THE MEDEVAC WAS THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          I I DIDN'T REALIZE THE OTHER ADVANTAGES IN NEED OF, YOU KNOW, EMERGENCY SITUATIONS. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO I'M, I'M GLAD YOU YEAH. 
          I MEAN, YOU PRESENTED THAT HAS THEIR BIG BUZZ SAW LAID OUT THERE AND I MEAN, ALL KINDS OF THINGS. 
          ROLL OUTTA THAT PLACE. 
          WHAT'S THE TIME, WHAT'S THE DEADLINE BEFORE YOU LOSE THAT OTHER REST OF THAT GRANT MONEY? I'LL LOSE 165,000. 
          I, I GUESS IT'S, I THINK IT'S OCTOBER. 
          I GOTTA LOOK AT THE EXACT DATE. 
          UM, BUT I'LL BID THE PROJECT. 
          I'LL TRY TO BID IT, YOU KNOW, INDEPENDENTLY WHERE, YOU KNOW, I CAN GO ON ONE. 
          I REALLY, I REALLY DON'T WANNA LEAVE THOSE THINGS. 
          I'D LIKE TO PUT THE CONCRETE PADS DOWN AND, AND GET ON IT. 
          UM, DO YOU THINK WE GOT ENOUGH TIME TO, TO RESEARCH TO SEE IF WE REALLY CAN BORROW IT? 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, IT SEEMS LIKE MORE OF A COMFORT LEVEL. 
          YEAH. 
          I, I MEAN, I DON'T, HOW LONG WOULD THAT TAKE? I DON'T TO FINISH THE RESEARCH. 
          THE OTHER AVENUE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, MAYBE POTENTIALLY BORROWING THE MONEY. 
          UH, WE COULD DO A CONFERENCE CALL PROBABLY A COUPLE DAYS. 
          OH, THAT'S, THAT'S A LOT QUICKER THAN I WAS EXPECTING YOU TO SAY. 
          IS, IS IT WORTH HOLDING ONTO FOR TO SEE IF WE CAN BORROW, OR WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR IDEA? I JUST SAID GO AHEAD AND PUT EARMARK THAT 1.5 IN FUND BALANCE AS RESTRICTED. 
          IT'S MEANT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT IN THE MEANTIME AFTER WE DO THAT TONIGHT AND APPROVE THAT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN IS, I THINK, UH, THE CHAIR SAID TOO, IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE GIVING 'EM 1.5 TOMORROW. 
          IT'S GONNA DRIBBLE IN AS THEY NEED IT. 
          IN THE MEANTIME, THEY'LL BE BACK IN RESEARCH TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY LOANS AVAILABLE. 
          AND THEN WE CAN FLIP IT AT THAT TIME. 
          SO TONIGHT, I THINK WE JUST GO AHEAD AND APPROVE THAT WE WANNA MOVE FORWARD, AND THAT GIVES US TIME TO, UH, FURTHER INVESTIGATE OTHER AVENUES. 
          WE'LL BE CLOSER TO HAVING COMPLETED TUDE AND MAY ALSO. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, I THINK THAT ESSENTIALLY O IS SAYING WE'RE GONNA USE CA A, A FUND BALANCE. 
          'CAUSE THAT'S THE, IF THE LOAN DOESN'T, THAT, THAT RELIEVES REALLY THE IMPETUS TO GET THAT, FIND THAT LOAN, MAKE THAT LOAN, MAKE IT A DEBT PROJECT. 
          IF, 'CAUSE YOU, YOU BASICALLY SAID IF WE CAN'T FIND A LOAN, THEN IT'S GONNA BE THE CASH. 
          NO. 
          BUT IS THAT RIGHT? BUT WE STILL LOOK TO FIND THE LOAN. 
          LOOK, IT'S NOT LIKE WE WOULD SAY IF WE FIND AN ACCEPTABLE LOAN RIGHT. 
          WE WOULD DO IT. 
          SO IT'S NOT ANYTHING LIKE SAYING, WE'RE GONNA PUT THIS OUT THERE AS RESTRICTED FUND BALANCE AND WE'RE NOT GONNA BOTHER WITH IT ANYMORE. 
          WE ARE GONNA PROCEED. 
          WE TRY, BUT NOT BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE, WE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT OUR CHANCES ARE. 
          MAYBE IT'LL BE USED WITH CASH, MAYBE IT WON'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THE AMOUNT OF WORK THAT A LOT OF MONEY HAS GONE INTO AND, YOU KNOW, THE EROSION OF THAT. 
          IF WE, IT'S A LOT OF MONEY THROWN ON THE GROUND TO, TO GO BAD IF WE DON'T DO THIS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          IF THAT HADN'T ALREADY BEEN DONE, IT WOULDN'T BE OF A LOSS. 
          IT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS. 
          BUT WHEN HE PUTS THAT BACK UP THERE, THAT'S A LOT OF MONEY. 
          WHAT IF YOU TOOK THE APPROACH TO, TO GO AFTER THE, THE, THE LOAN AND IF, IF IT COULDN'T PAN OUT, THEN MAKE A DECISION ABOUT WHETHER YOU WANNA USE YOUR FUND. 
          BALANCE ISN'T GONNA BE THE SAME THING IN THE END. 
          I MEAN, I WELL, YOU, YOU'D JUST BE MAKING THE FINAL DECISION LATER. 
          OF COURSE, IF YOU GOT THE LOAN, IT IS, IT'S SELF RESOLVING. 
          BUT, UH, THE TWO THINGS ARE, CONSIDER THE METERS KIND OF RUNNING AS FAR AS WHEN HE'LL START LOSING MONEY. 
          SO YOU DON'T WANNA WAIT FOREVER. 
          AND THEN, UH, COULD WE GET THE TIMELINE SLIDE BACK ON, UH, THERE WAS A TIMELINE THAT WENT ALL THE WAY UP TO 2031. 
          SO HERE'S MY QUESTION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          OF THE 1.5 MILLION, WHERE DOES THAT TAKE US THROUGH ON THIS TIMELINE? DOES IT TAKE US THROUGH THE WHOLE TIMELINE OR JUST THIS COMING YEAR OR ALL THE OTHER PROJECTS ARE GOING TO BE LIKE YOUR, HEY, I GOTTA GIVE $20,000 ON THIS PROJECT, OR 10,000 ON THIS PROJECT. 
          ALL THE OTHER STUFF IS GONNA BE STATE AND FEDERAL FUNDED. 
          OKAY. 
          $3 MILLION PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU KNOW, THE, THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL BE 2.85 MILLION AND THEN THE STATE WILL PUT THEIR SHARE IN. 
          SO HANGERS IS THE THING. 
          AND HISTORICALLY THE COUNTY HAS, YOU KNOW, FRONT IT, THE COST. 
          AND THEN WE HAVE PAID 
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DEBT SERVICE. 
          UM, THAT WAS ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS I DID WHEN I STARTED DEALING WITH AIRPORT. 
          AND THAT WAS, UM, I GUESS WHEN ED CAME IN, UM, LOOKING AT WHERE ARE WE? AND WE WERE PAYING, AT THAT TIME IT WAS LIKE, I DON'T KNOW, 27 60, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT FIGURE, BUT WE PAID, YOU KNOW, SO MUCH, YOU KNOW, A MONTH FOR YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS, UM, TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND THEY KEPT, YOU KNOW, A LEDGER AND WE PAID THOSE THINGS OFF. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, LONG AGO. 
          BUT, UM, THAT WAS HOW THE, IT WAS DONE THE LAST TIME, YOU KNOW. 
          BUT AT THE SAME TIME, I KNOW THAT WE'VE USED, UH, PUBLIC FUNDS, LIKE, UM, WITH, UM, SHE FARMS TO REBUILD THEIR DAM, YOU KNOW, AND THEY PAID THAT DEBT SERVICE, WHICH WE COLLECT THE MONEY THAT'S, THAT COMES IN THERE MM-HMM . 
          UM, IT'S NOT ALL AT ONE TIME. 
          AND WE MADE PAYMENTS OUT OF THEIR BUDGET LINE. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, 'CAUSE I ACTUALLY DID THAT TOO FOR A LONG TIME. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND, UM, WE PAID THAT OFF BECAUSE THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE STILL HAVE A PRETTY BIG FUN BALANCE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, DURING ED'S TIME HERE. 
          BUT I MEAN, I'VE SEEN IT DONE BOTH WAYS. 
          UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, YOU KNOW, THIS IS THE COUNTY'S FACILITY. 
          WE OWN IT. 
          SO JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER BUILDING, EXCEPT FOR WE ARE TRYING TO RUN A BUSINESS WITH, YOU KNOW, COUNTY PERSONNEL AND WE GOTTA COUNT ON YOU TO HELP US BECAUSE I MEAN, WE'RE CARRYING A LOT OF PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH A VERY LIMITED STAFF. 
          UM, AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMMODATE. 
          I MEAN, I MEAN, JAKE DOESN'T A MARVELOUS JOB COMING OUT. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S TIMES HE'S COMING DOWN THE WEEKENDS AND EVENINGS AND, YOU KNOW, AND I MEAN, IT'S, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON THERE. 
          AND I, AND WE DON'T TRY TO MAKE IT A BIG DEAL, BUT WE GOT A LOT GOING ON. 
          AND WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, IF YOU WANT IT TO BE SUCCESSFUL, AND, AND I THINK, I THINK WE'RE AT THAT PLACE WHERE WE'RE MOVING THE CHAINS. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION, I KNOW THERE'S A MOTION ON THE FLOOR. 
          UH, YOU HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED ON THE 28TH. 
          OKAY. 
          IF YOU TABLE THIS TONIGHT, I WILL HAVE TIME TO BRING IT BACK WITH FUNDING IN TERMS OF ANY OWN POSSIBILITIES, OR YOU'RE GOING TO FUND IT THROUGH FUND BALANCE. 
          MOVE TO TABLE. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. ANDERSON. 
          MR. SANDMEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          DO WE WANNA GO BACK AND FINISH OR DO WE WANNA DO REPORTS? SO SEE IF REPORTS GO BACK TO, UM, ITEM SIX. 
          THAT AGENDA ITEM SIX. 
          I'LL FIND IT AGAIN. 
          WHERE'D YOU GO? 
          [L.6. Modification to the Board of Supervisors Meeting Policy and Procedures (Part 2 of 2)]
OKAY. 
          I ACTUALLY THINK THIS, THIS IS NOT GONNA TAKE THAT LONG. 
          UM, FIRST LET ME READ, UH, FIRST OF ALL, I, I, REGARDING THE MOVING OF THE, OF THE, UH, BOARD REPORTS AND ALL THAT. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S, I DON'T THINK I HAVE NO ISSUE, UH, OR NOTHING TO DISCUSS ABOUT THAT EXCEPT MS UH, JUST WANNA TALK ABOUT THE OTHER CHANGE. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA READ IT. 
          UM, CLOSE MEETINGS AND CONFIDENTIALITY. 
          A CLOSED MEETING SHALL BE HELD WHEN NECESSARY. 
          BOARD MEMBERS SHALL NOT DISCLOSE MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS OR COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OTHER THAN THOSE STATED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN A PUBLIC MEETING WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          UM, I HAVE JUST A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I'D LIKE TO ASK MY COLLEAGUES ON THE BOARD. 
          AND, UM, BASED ON HOW THAT GOES, I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THROUGH THIS WITHOUT TOO MUCH TROUBLE. 
          UM, IS THERE, CAN ANYONE SAY OR EXPLAIN WHAT IT IS ABOUT FOIA EXEMPTIONS FROM PUBLIC ACCESS TO RECORDS OR MEETINGS? I MEAN, WHAT IS, WHAT FOIA SAYS ABOUT EXEMPTIONS FROM PUBLIC ACCESS? IT, IT JUST, IT'S, THERE'S SOME KEY WORDS. 
          I MEAN, THERE'S ACTUALLY, IT'S, IT'S A STATUTE, BUT, BUT IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH IT, YOU CAN RECITE IT OR I CAN, OR I CAN READ IT. 
          UM, OKAY, GO AHEAD. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THE PART OF THE STATUTE 2, 2 37 WHERE IT SAYS, FOIA REQUIRES THAT ANY EXEMPTION FROM PUBLIC ACCESS TO RECORDS OR MEETINGS SHALL BE NARROWLY CONSTRUED AND NO RECORD SHALL BE WITHHELD OR MEETING CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC UNLESS SPECIFICALLY MADE EXEMPT TO THIS CHAPTER OR OTHER SPECIFIC PROVISION OF LAW. 
          SO IT SAYS RECORDS OR MEETINGS. 
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SO JUST, JUST SO THAT WE'RE CLEAR ABOUT EVERYTHING, RIKERS OR MEETINGS. 
          SO CAN ANY, WHEN WE LOOK AT THIS, THIS AS WRITTEN, UM, IS ANY, CAN ANYBODY SAY, YOU KNOW, WHAT THESE TWO SITUATIONS ARE IN THIS RESOLUTION OR WHAT IN THIS RESOLUTION IS IT IN FRONT OF YOU? DO WE HAVE IT? NO, BUT I THINK, WELL, EXCUSE ME, I JUST GIMME, LEMME GIMME A CHANCE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          JUST GIMME A CHANCE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, THERE'S TWO THINGS HERE. 
          ONE IS MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS. 
          AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WHICH IS COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          AND THE WAY THIS, THIS SENTENCE IS STRUCTURED THAT IT SAYS, BOARD MEMBERS SHALL NOT DISCLOSE MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS OR COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          SO I WANT TO GO BACK AND JUST LOOK AT THESE TWO THINGS. 
          I WANT TO BREAK, BREAK 'EM APART BECAUSE MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS OR ONE THING AND COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY OR ANOTHER THING. 
          UM, AND THEN REFER BACK TO THE NARROWLY CONSTRUED LANGUAGE. 
          UM, ENCLOSED MEETINGS. 
          FOIA PROVIDES SPECIFIC CIRCUMSTANCES IN WHICH THEY'RE PERMITTED. 
          AND WE'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH THIS. 
          WE, THERE ARE MOTIONS AND THE MOTIONS HAVE TO MEET CERTAIN CONDITIONS. 
          SO WE READ THOSE. 
          UM, SO THERE'S SPECIFIC TOPICS. 
          THERE'S A LIMITING PRINCIPLE AND, AND, YOU KNOW, PROVIDED THAT WHAT WE DISCUSS, THE MATTERS DISCUSSED AS IT'S, AS IT'S IN THE POLICY ARE PERTINENT TO WHAT'S AUTHORIZED IN THE CLOSED MEETING. 
          THEN THERE'S A, THERE'S LI THERE'S A, A, A A BOUNDARY. 
          SO THERE'S A, A BASIS FOR BEING CONSIDERED NARROWLY CONSTRUED BECAUSE WE COULDN'T EVEN GET INTO THE MEETING UNLESS IT WAS NARROWLY CONSTRUED. 
          THERE WAS A MOTION, THAT MOTION HAD TO PASS CERTAIN CONDITIONS. 
          SO THERE'S A, THERE'S A LIMITATION OF DISCLOSURE. 
          IT'S NOT UNLIMITED. 
          AND THIS CAN BE, I THINK THIS CAN BE CONSIDERED REASONABLY CONSIDERED TO BE NARROWLY CONSTRUED WITHIN FOIA. 
          SO, SO IN REGARDS TO NOT DISCLOSED MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS, THIS IS A PRINCIPLE ESSENTIALLY THAT I, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO, UH, I HAVE A, A SUGGESTION FOR AN AMENDMENT. 
          UM, AND I WOULD LIKE TO PROPOSE AN AMENDMENT THAT'S A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. 
          BUT THE, THE SECOND ONE IS FOR THE COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY PORTION OF THE POLICY. 
          AND MY QUESTION IS, WHERE'S THE LIMITING PRINCIPLE THAT MAKES THIS EXEMPTION NARROWLY CONSTRUED? THAT, THAT'S THE QUESTION I WANT TO ANSWER ABOUT THE WAY THIS IS WRITTEN. 
          I THINK IT CAN BE WRITTEN DIFFERENTLY, UM, WHICH MAKES IT HAVE SOME NARROW CONSTRUCTION, BUT AS IT IS NOW, IT'S JUST UNLIMITED. 
          AND SO THE, YOU KNOW, THE QUESTION IS, AS BOARD MEMBERS, DO YOU THINK THAT A STATEMENT THAT SIMPLY SAYS THE COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS NARROWLY CONSTRUED? OR IS IT THAT'S UNLIMITED? AND MY CONTENTION IS IT'S NOT NARROWLY CONSTRUED. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, UH, WIDELY LIMITED. 
          NOW, THERE WOULD BE A WAY TO NARROWLY CONSTRUED, AND THAT WOULD BE TO USE THE TERM LIKE, LIKE IF THE POLICY SAID IT SHOULD SAY, UH, COMMUNICATIONS PROTECTED BY ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE, THEN IT WOULD BECOME NARROWLY CONSTRUED. 
          AND THAT THAT IS ESSENTIALLY WHAT I, WHAT I WANT TO GET TO, IS TO SEPARATE THESE MATTERS OF MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSE MEETINGS AND THEN SEPARATELY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND THEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, APPROPRIATE NARROW CONSTRUCTION IS, IS WHAT WAY IT REQUIRES. 
          SO, SO, UH, IN REGARDS TO, TO THE, UM, THE FIRST ONE I HAVE ACTUALLY, UH, PASSED THESE DOWN, UH, LANGUAGE SUGGESTED TO CONSIDER THE CLOSED MEETING LANGUAGE SAYING A CLOSED MEETING SHALL BE HELD WHEN NECESSARY IN CONFORMANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 2 2 3 7 11, WHICH IS JUST, HAVE YOU GIVEN MR. HAM, OH NO, SORRY, I THE WHOLE STACK THAT ONE I NEED TO STAND UP. 
          SO IF, IF BEFORE I, I, I READ THE MOTIONS. 
          IS THERE ANY QUESTION OR DISCUSSION ABOUT THE, WHAT I'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT, ABOUT FO'S NARROW CONSTRUCTION? OKAY. 
          IF NOT, THEN, THEN, UM, THIS IS THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE THAT A CLOSED MEETING SHALL BE HELD WHEN NECESSARY. 
          AND CONFORMANCE 
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WITH VIRGINIA CODE 2 2 37 11, WHICH IS JUST THE STATUTE BOARD MEMBERS, SHALL NOT DISCLOSE MATTERS DISCUSSED IN DISCLOSED MEETINGS THAT WERE PERTINENT TO THE, THE AUTHORIZED PURPOSE OF THE MEETING. 
          AND THAT AS A SEPARATE ITEM, INSTEAD OF THE SAME SENTENCE, COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT ARE PROTECTED BY ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AS DEFINED BY VIRGINIA COMMON LAW AND EXEMPTED FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER VIRGINIA CODE 2 2 2 3 7 DASH 1.2 SHALL NOT BE DISCLOSED WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          SO MY, MY, MY MOTION AND SUGGESTION IS TO SIMPLY BREAK THESE TWO APART AND MAKE EVIDENT IN THE POLICY THE CONCEPT OF NARROW CONSTRUCTION, UM, FOR BOTH MR. CARTER, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING EARLIER? UM, YEAH, I THINK AS I UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, WITH FOIA, FIRST OFF, WE DON'T WANT TO GO INTO CLOSED SESSION UNLESS IT COMES UNDER THE UMBRELLA OF FOIA AND I DON'T THINK WE'VE DONE THAT. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING TOO, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE CAN DISCUSS ANYTHING WE WANT IN CLOSED SESSION AND IT DOES NOT PROHIBIT ANY MEMBER FROM COMING OUT AND TALKING TO THE MEDIA OR ANYBODY ELSE ABOUT IT. 
          BUT WHAT YOU DO WIND UP LOSING IS THAT AMOUNT OF TRUST. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE, 'CAUSE I WANNA WORK WITH ALL YOU GUYS TOGETHER. 
          WE MAY NOT AGREE ON EVERYTHING, BUT AGAIN, WE'LL CONTINUE ON. 
          AND WHEN THERE'S AN IDEA THAT'S WORTH BENEFICIAL TO THE, UH, OUR COUNTY CITIZENS, HEY, I'LL GO ALONG WITH IT. 
          WE, WE NEED TO HEAR THOSE OUT. 
          UM, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE MAIN THING IS, I GUESS TO PUT IN OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES, AND AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW HOW, UM, HEIGHT OR WHATEVER THAT COULD BE, BUT AT LEAST THIS WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WE COULD REFER TO IN CASE A MEMBER WANTS TO GO OUT AND SAY ABOUT WHAT WENT ON OR THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 
          UM, BECAUSE THE THING OF IT IS, AND THAT'S WHY I THINK IT SAID WITH THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, BECAUSE OTHERWISE, IF A MEMBER GOES OUT AND SAYS SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THERE THAT COULD OPEN THE BOARD, THE COUNTY AND THE INDIVIDUAL, UH, FOR A POTENTIAL LAWSUIT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANT TO LIMIT ANYBODY'S FREEDOM OF SPEECH, BUT THAT, THAT WAS THE MAIN GIST OF THIS, TO TRY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALL ARE AWARE OF WHAT WE NEED TO WHEN WE HAVE CONFIDENTIAL DISCUSSIONS IN THERE. 
          AND DON'T GET ME WRONG, I'M NOT TRYING TO USURP TRANSPARENCY. 
          I WANT THE PUBLIC TO KNOW, BUT AGAIN, SOMETIMES WITHIN THE CLOSED MEETINGS, UNDER THE PARAMETERS OF FOIA, WE HAVE TO TALK IN CONFIDENCE WITH OUR ATTORNEY, UH, WHETHER IT'S CONTRACTUAL, EMPLOYEE PERSONNEL OR WHATEVER, AND WE HAVE TO LAY THAT, UH, WE HAVE TO LAY OUT ALL THE OPTIONS AND THEN, UH, THEN, UH, COME BACK AND MOVE FORWARD FROM THAT STANDPOINT. 
          SO THOSE WERE THE, THE, THE GIST OF WHAT I WOULD, I WAS KIND OF ASKING FOR, AND I DON'T KNOW, UH, IF MR. HAM WOULD WANT TO COMMENT IS, DOES THIS STILL GET THE GIST OF IT? NO, NO. 
          YOU KNOW, IT DOESN'T, FIRST OF ALL IT THAT WERE, IT, IT HAS EXCEPTIONS. 
          AND I KNOW BECAUSE THIS HAS HAPPENED BEFORE, THAT, UM, THERE IS, YOU KNOW, A BOARD MEMBER THAT BELIEVES THAT THEY HAVE THEIR OWN JUDGMENT AS TO WHAT CAN BE PROVIDED, UH, THAT I HAVE DISCLOSED TO YOU, UH, IN CONFIDENTIALITY, UH, THAT IS PROTECTED BY THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 
          SO THIS LEAVES THAT DOOR OPEN, THE SUGGESTED LANGUAGE IS MUCH SIMPLER, REMOVES THAT INDIVIDUAL DISCRETION, MAKES IT A BOARD DECISION. 
          UH, ALSO, UH, AS WRITTEN, IT WOULD NEED TO BE EXEMPTED UNDER THE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AND IN WRITING, UH, TO BE, UH, CONFIDENTIAL. 
          SO I I, IF THE BOARD WANTS TO DO THIS, UH, THEN YOU SHOULD USE THE LANGUAGE THAT I HAVE SUGGESTED. 
          UH, AND, AND IF YOU DON'T WANT TO PRESERVE YOUR CONFIDENTIALITY, YOU EITHER DON'T DO IT OR USE A LANGUAGE THAT SUPERVISOR JAMESON HAS SUGGESTED. 
          I I NOTICED THAT, THAT THE END OF THIS THING SAYS, UH, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD MEMBER, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISOR. 
          SO IF IT WAS AN TOPIC, WE COULD ALWAYS HAVE A DISCUSSION. 
          AND THEN IF WE AGREED IT SOUNDS LIKE WE COULD WAIVE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT CARRIES OVER HERE TOO. 
          UM, 
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WELL, I UNDERSTAND MR. MR. HAM'S POINT OF VIEW. 
          UM, I DO, I DO BELIEVE, AND I, AND I, AND, AND ENCOURAGE YOU TO RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S, UM, NO BASIS OF, UH, NARROW CONSTRUCTION FOR A UNIVERSAL STATEMENT OF COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          THAT THERE'S NO BOUNDING TO THAT. 
          SO BY, BY REFERENCING A STATUTE THAT HE ACTUALLY REFERENCED, UH, WHICH WAS 2 2 3 7 0 5 2, UM, THEN THERE'S REALLY NOT, UH, HOW, HOW CAN WE GO WRONG BY HAVING OUR STATUTES, OUR, OUR POLICIES REFER TO THE VIRGINIA CODE OF STATUTE. 
          UH, THE, THE CONSTRUCTION, UH, MR. HAMS OFFERED IS SIMPLE, BUT IT'S ALSO, UH, IN TERMS OF, UM, ESPECIALLY COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE ATTORNEY, UNIVERSAL AND UNBOUNDED AND I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S PORTABLE. 
          I DON'T THINK THAT MEETS THE TERM THE DEFINITION OF NARROW CONSTRUCTION. 
          WELL, WHAT IF ONE OF US WENT OUT AND THREW OUT ALL THIS INFORMATION AND THEN BECAUSE OF THAT, THIS WHOLE BOARD WOULD BE PULLED INTO A LAWSUIT THAT NONE OF THE REST OF US SHARED THAT INFORMATION OR SHOULD BE CAUGHT UP IN, IN THAT, BUT WITHOUT SOMETHING TO PROTECT THE REST OF US. 
          ONE, ONE PERSON CAN GO OUT AND GET THE REST OF US TIED UP IN A WELL, THAT, THAT'S NOT, THAT'S NOT FAIR. 
          SO I AGREE AS A BOARD, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT AN INDIVIDUAL ENTITY. 
          THIS IS A, A TEAM OF FIVE THAT NEED TO COMMUNICATE WHETHER WE AGREE ON SOMETHING OR NOT. 
          IT NEEDS TO BE A DISCUSSION. 
          AND IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE GONNA MAKE A STATEMENT, THEN I THINK IT SHOULD BE A JOINT STATEMENT THAT WE'RE ALL AWARE OF, WHETHER WE ALL AGREE WITH THE STATEMENT, BUT WE SHOULD BE AWARE OF IT. 
          BUT A LONE RANGER GOING OUT AND WE PICK UP THE NEWSPAPER AND WE'RE LIKE, WHAT THE HECK? AND NOW WE GET SNAGGED UP INTO A LEGAL SITUATION THAT HAS CALLED US ALL A FALL GUARD. 
          I THINK THAT THERE, THIS IS JUST RESPECT FOR EACH OTHER AND ENHANCING COMMUNICATION, WHICH I'M A GREAT BELIEVER IN, DON'T ALWAYS DO IT THE GREATEST, BUT I'M TRYING TO MAKE, TO CHALLENGE MYSELF TO DO BETTER. 
          AND THE BOTTOM LINE FOR ME IS MR. HAM OR WHOEVER THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IS, THEIR JOB IS TO KEEP US OUT OF TROUBLE. 
          GIVE US THE BEST ADVICE WHEN ASKED AND TO, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS LEGALLY. 
          AND THIS IS THE KIND OF THING THAT NONE OF US GOT THIS UNTIL A FEW MINUTES AGO. 
          YOU DIDN'T GIVE IT TO MR. HAM. 
          I'M NOT A LAWYER. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT COMFORTABLE SAYING, OKAY, I'VE HAD THIS FOR A FEW MINUTES. 
          SOUNDS GOOD, LET'S GO WITH IT. 
          I DON'T WANNA GET ANYBODY HERE IN TROUBLE BY DOING THE WRONG THING. 
          THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO GO TO FOIA TRAINING AND TO COM UH, CONFLICT OF IN, YOU KNOW, I'M TIRED AND RUNNING OUT OF THE COIA CHANEY AND, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO RESPECT THAT AND WORK TOGETHER WITH THAT. 
          AND I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THERE THAT SHOULD BE OFFENSIVE TO ANY OF US BECAUSE IT'S JUST TRYING TO PROTECT ALL OF US. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO HIDE ANYTHING FROM THE PUBLIC. 
          AND WHEN, WHENEVER WE GO INTO A CLOSED SESSION TO DISCUSS SOMETHING, AS SOON AS WE CAN BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF THE COMMUNITY, WE DO SO WELL, I JUST WOULD SIMPLY JUST SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THE INTENTION OF THE POLICY AND I'M NOT ACTUALLY OPPOSED TO IT, BUT I'M TRYING TO, UH, ESPECIALLY IN REGARDS TO A UNBOUNDED, UNCONSTRAINED, UH, STATEMENT, UH, SAY THAT, UH, I'M TRYING TO BRING IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE IDEA THAT RECORDS OR MEETINGS SHALL BE EXEMPTION FROM PUBLIC ACCESS TO RECORDS OR MEETING SHALL BE NARROWLY CONSTRUED. 
          UM, AND, UH, SO, UM, I, I HAVE A PRACTICAL QUESTION ABOUT THIS. 
          IT'S A, A REAL WORLD SCENARIO, UM, BASED ON HOW IT'S CURRENTLY WRITTEN IN THE PROPOSED POLICY, UH, WHERE IT SAYS COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, 
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OTHER THAN THOSE STATED IN A PUBLIC MEETING WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          SO ROUGHLY A YEAR AGO, IT WAS THE DAY OF A SANITARY DISTRICT MEETING I WAS GOING TO ATTEND. 
          AND I HAD A QUESTION ON THE TABLE FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT COMMITTEE COMMITTEE ABOUT A NEW SUBDIVISION THAT WAS GOING IN, AND THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY COULD CHARGE, AND IT WAS ADJACENT TO, BUT OUTSIDE OF THE BOUNDS OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT, THEY WANTED TO KNOW IF THEY COULD ANNEX THAT SUBDIVISION OR CHARGE AN IMPACT FEE BECAUSE THE ONLY ACCESS TO THOSE LOTS WAS THROUGH THE SANITARY DISTRICT. 
          AND THOSE NEW RESIDENTS WOULD BE PUTTING WEAR AND TEAR ON THE SANITARY DISTRICT ROADS. 
          SO THAT'S THE REAL WORLD SCENARIO. 
          THAT AFTERNOON AT LIKE 4:00 PM I EMAILED LITTON AND SIP, I THINK I EMAILED BOTH MR. HAM AND, UH, JORDAN BOWMAN AND ASKED THE QUESTION, AND, UH, TO MY DELIGHT, I GOT AN ANSWER BACK BEFORE 5:00 PM AT THE END OF THE DAY, AND WAS TO TAKE IT THAT EVENING TO, UH, THE COMMITTEE MEETING, UM, UNDER THIS POLICY FOR ME TO DISCLOSE THE ANSWER THAT THEY GAVE ME. 
          I WOULD HAVE TO COME TO THIS FULL BOARD AT A REGULAR MEETING AND HAVE A VOTE AND GET APPROVAL TO DISCLOSE THAT. 
          UH, SO OBVIOUSLY THAT, OBVIOUSLY THAT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE IN THIS CASE, BUT WHAT THAT TELLS ME IS THERE'S A SPECTRUM OF COMMON SENSE CASES WHERE IT'S LIKE, NO, YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT. 
          AND THEN THERE'S THE LITERAL LETTER OF THIS, WHICH IS, YES, I DO, OR I'M OUT OF POLICY, AND THEN THERE'S PROBABLY A GRAY AREA IN THE MIDDLE. 
          SO I DO THINK THIS NEEDS TO BE TIGHTENED UP SO THAT THAT'S CLEAR TO EVERYONE BECAUSE MY JUDGMENT OF IS THIS COMMON SENSE OR IS THIS A GRAY AREA MIGHT BE DIFFERENT THAN YOURS, WOULD YOU ADDRESS THAT CONCERN? WELL, YOU WERE ALWAYS ALLOWED TO ACT ON THE ADVICE THAT I GIVE YOU. 
          AND IF YOU HAD ASKED ME AT THAT TIME, OF COURSE THIS WAS NOT IN EFFECT, I WOULD'VE TOLD YOU THAT I WAS STATING THIS TO YOU AS, AS PART OF, UH, AS PART OF THE PUBLIC MEETING RECORD, THAT THAT DOESN'T MEET THE CONDITION. 
          HE JUST SAID. 
          HE, HE, HE, THAT DOESN'T, YES IT WOULD. 
          NO, HE WOULD, HE, HE HAD BEEN GIVEN INFORMATION FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY AND IMMEDIATELY WENT AND DISCU AND DISCUSSED WITH THE CLIENT. 
          HE DID NOT COME TO, IT WASN'T STATED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY IN PUBLIC, NOR DID HE COME TO YOU AND ASK FOR PERMISSION. 
          BUT HE JUST SAID, HAD THIS BEEN IN EFFECT, HIS RESPONSE WOULD'VE BEEN, AND YOU CAN SHARE THIS, BECAUSE I WOULD MAKE THIS AS PART OF A PUBLIC, IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT HIS RESPONSE WOULD'VE BEEN, IT WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN IN, IN ACCORD WITH THIS, OR I COULD'VE MADE THAT DURING THE PUBLIC MEETING. 
          IF YOU PUT LIMITATIONS TO THIS, UM, THEN YOU WILL NOT GET WHAT YOU WANT FROM IT. 
          UM, BUT YOU CAN DO THAT IF YOU WANT TO. 
          WELL, MY QUESTION TO ALL OF YOU IS, IS, IS A STATEMENT AS BROAD AS, OR COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY? UM, A UM, NARROWLY CONSTRUED THING? IT'S, I MY CONTENTIONS, IT'S NOT, IT'S EVERYTHING. 
          ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING, WHICH IS NOT A NARROW CONSTRUCTION, WHICH IS NOT GONNA HOLD UP SO WELL, I, I, IF I, I DON'T, I WOULD LIKE TO, TO, TO, UM, REQUEST TO MAKE MY MOTION AND IF, IF THE DISCUSSION'S OVER OR WHEN IT'S OVER. 
          NO, I WAS GONNA SAY, AND I, I'LL USE AN EXAMPLE. 
          I SENT AN EMAIL TO ALL MY BOARD MEMBERS. 
          I HAD THE DO NOT REPLY TO ALL, AND AT THAT TIME IT WAS ABOUT HIRING STAFF FOR THE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          I'LL JUST PUT IT OUT THERE BECAUSE GOD KNOWS IT WENT IN THE NEWSPAPER. 
          UM, IT WAS A, A REQUEST FOR CONSIDERATION OF MY BOARD MEMBERS. 
          WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET AND THERE WAS A REQUEST TO HIRE FULL-TIME FIRE MARSHAL. 
          MY REQUEST TO THE BOARD WAS TO CONSIDER WAITING UNTIL AFTER OUR BUDGET TO FILL THAT POSITION TO SEE WHERE WE WERE MONEY WISE. 
          AND BECAUSE THEY ALSO WANTED FIREMEN IN THE HOUSE. 
          AND IF WE COULDN'T DO BOTH, I FELT THE BOOTS ON THE GROUND HAD MORE VALUE AND NEEDED THAN THE FIRE MARSHAL BECAUSE WE HAD PEOPLE TRAINED TO DO THAT JOB. 
          I START GETTING PHONE CALLS FROM MAD FIREMEN, THE CHIEF TORE ME UP, AND I'M LIKE, BECAUSE I GOT NO RESPONSE AT ALL. 
          NOBODY EMAILED ME BACK. 
          I HAD NO RESPONSE. 
          I THOUGHT, OKAY, IT'S DEAD SUBJECT, MOVE ON. 
          I START 
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GETTING ALL THESE PHONE CALLS, ANGRY PEOPLE, AND I'M LIKE, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? MY EMAIL HAD BEEN PUT IN THE BUDGET IN OUR AGENDA PACKET FOR THE WHOLE WORLD TO SEE. 
          AND I WASN'T EVEN TOLD ABOUT IT. 
          THE CHAIRMAN DID THAT. 
          THAT WAS A TOTAL DISRESPECT. 
          IF, IF IT WAS GONNA BE DONE, AT LEAST I SHOULD HAVE BEEN TOLD ABOUT IT. 
          THAT'S THE KIND OF THING I SEE THIS PRECLUDING THAT HAS, HOW DO WE TRUST EACH OTHER? WHEN YOU DO THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S CALLED COMMUNICATION. 
          IF, IF YOU COULDN'T EVEN ANSWER THE EMAIL TO BEGIN WITH AND GIVE ME A YES NO ANSWER, BUT YOU THOUGHT IT WAS A COOL THING TO PUT IT OUT ON THE AGENDA AND THEN STIR UP THE WHOLE FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND ALL I WAS DOING WAS TRYING TO GET THEM MORE HELP WHERE THEY NEEDED IT THE MOST. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT AFTER PERSONALLY BEING SUBJECTED TO THAT AND THE, YOU KNOW, DID I GET SUED OVER IT? NO, BUT THE WORST CASE SCENARIO IS SOMEBODY PUTS SOMETHING OUT THE REST OF US AREN'T AWARE OF, AND WE ALL GET SNAGGED UP INTO A LAWSUIT. 
          GET MIXED UP HERE. 
          DID YOU MAKE A MOTION? NO, I DIDN'T. 
          I I, I WANT TO HAVE THIS, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA CUT OFF THE CONVERSATION, BUT I DO WANT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MOTION. 
          UM, MY, MY, WHAT I'M, WHAT I'M DOING IS, UM, TRYING TO SEPARATE TWO MATTERS AND, AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY ARE, UM, THEY'RE BOTH AT LEAST HAVING SOME NARROW CONSTRUCTION RATHER THAN NO, UH, BOUNDS. 
          UM, AND THAT THEY REFER TO THE STATUTE AND THEY DO, THEY DO, UH, REFER TO PROTECTIVE ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 
          AND MR. HAM IS REFERRING TO ME DISAGREEING WITH HIM ABOUT, UH, ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 
          AND THERE IS A DISAGREEMENT THERE, THERE HAS BEEN A DISAGREEMENT THERE. 
          UM, THAT DISAGREEMENT DOESN'T HAVE TO PERSIST INDEFINITELY. 
          UM, BUT WITH THE, THE ISSUE WE'VE BEEN HAVING IS THE UN SORT OF UNWILLINGNESS, UH, TO, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A MATTER OF, UH, POSITION OR AUTHORITY OR WHATEVER, BUT, UM, AND I'VE, I'VE SAID, I DON'T THINK IT'S TIME ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE. 
          AND HE SAYS, WELL, YES IT IS. 
          UM, AND I SAID, WELL, PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT PART OF IT WAS. 
          AND WE'RE JUST NOT COMMUNICATING. 
          WE'RE NOT COMMUNICATING, WE'RE NOT DOING WELL IN THAT ARENA. 
          BUT, BUT, BUT ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE IS A, IS A LEGAL THING. 
          IT'S A, IT'S NOT JUST WHAT SOMEBODY THINKS OR WHAT SOMEBODY'S OPINION IS. 
          IT'S, IT HAS DEFINITION TO IT. 
          SO, UH, IT CAN CERTAINLY BE, AND I'VE GIVEN YOU THAT IN AN EMAIL, SIR. 
          WELL, I'M, AND I PRESENT YOU STATING, I HAVE NOT ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. 
          I HAVE PROVIDED A STATUTORY DEFINITION AND I PROVIDED ONE FROM OUR VIRGINIA SUPREME COURT. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT, YOUR RESPONSE HAS LITERALLY TO BEEN TO SAY THAT WRITTEN LEGAL ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL MEANS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WRITTEN ADVICE OF LEGAL COUNSEL. 
          AND I FIND THAT DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I HAVE PROVIDED YOU A DEFINITION TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU ARE STATING IN PUBLIC, SIR, THAT I HAVE NOT RESPONDED TO YOU. 
          THAT IS FLAT FALSE. 
          AND IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH ME, THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED IN CLOSED SESSION. 
          THERE'S A FEBRUARY 30 MIL. 
          OKAY. 
          I'D LIKE TO, I SUGGEST THAT YOU STOP TALKING. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO CALL YOU ISSUE QUESTION IF YOU ISSUE, LET'S GO AHEAD AND MAKE A MOTION. 
          I'D LIKE TO CALL FOR THE QUESTION A MOTION. 
          UM, SO CAN I MAKE MY MOTION? UH, NO. 
          THE, WELL, I THINK MR. CARTER WAS TRYING. 
          GO AHEAD, MAKE YOUR MOTION. 
          I MOVE TO AMEND THE PROPOSED SECTION 1.8 AS FOLLOWS, SECTION ONE EIGHT, CLOSED MEETINGS AND CONFIDENTIALITY. 
          A CLOSED MEETING SHALL BE HELD WHEN NECESSARY IN CONFORMANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE 2.2 DASH 37 11. 
          BOARD MEMBERS SHALL NOT DISCLOSE MEMBERS MATTERS DISCUSSED IN CLOSED MEETINGS THAT WERE PERTINENT TO THE AUTHORIZED PURPOSE OF THE CLOSED MEETING. 
          COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT ARE PROTECTED BY ATTORNEY-CLIENT PRIVILEGE AS DEFINED BY VIRGINIA COMMON LAW AND EXEMPT IN EXEMPTED FROM DISCLOSURE UNDER VIRGINIA. 
          CODE 2.2 DASH THREE SEVEN SHALL NOT BE DISCLOSED WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? A SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          MR. ANDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? YES. 
          MR. HENRY? NO. 
          MADAM CHAIR? NO. 
          MR. CARTER? NO. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          IS THERE AN ALTERNATE I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AMEND THE MEETING POLICY AND PROCEDURES AS RECOMMENDED. 
          SECOND ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER? NO. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? NO. 
          [N.1. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney]
ALRIGHT. 
          IF I CAN FIND MY AGENDA NOW. 
          BOARD. 
          BOARD REPORTS. 
          BOARD REPORTS? UH, MR. OH, YES SIR. 
          DID YOU ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS? YES. 
          YES, WE DID THAT FIRST. 
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I'M SORRY. 
          I KNOW IT'S BEEN A WHILE AGO. 
          I MUST HAVE BEEN ASLEEP. 
          SORRY, MR. JAMESON, DID YOU SAY YOU HAD A REPORT OR NO REPORT? UH, NO REPORT. 
          MR. HENRY? I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANYTHING EITHER. 
          MR. CARTER? UH, LET ME SEE. 
          I THINK THE MAIN THING, ONLY THING IS, AND THIS, WE HAD A FEW PEOPLE SPEAK TONIGHT AND I DO APPRECIATE MOVING THE BOARD REPORTS UP. 
          'CAUSE MY REASONING FOR THAT WAS TO TRY TO HAVE OUR BOARD REPORTS FOLLOW THE PUBLIC PRESENTATIONS AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          SO SOME OF THE PEOPLE MAY STILL BE HERE, WHICH BRINGS ME TO THE REC RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WAS A BY RIGHT USE AND THE ONLY THING THAT THE PA, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD TO LOOK AT AND MAYBE STILL LOOKING AT IS THE SITE PLAN. 
          BUT, AND THEN I WAS SURPRISED THAT THERE'S NO PUBLIC HEARING, BUT THEN I WAS SURPRISED A LITTLE BIT MORE THAT IT WAS ALLOWED IN AG DISTRICT. 
          BUT IT'S WITHIN THE COMP PLAN, I THINK, WHICH IS BASED ON THE COMMONWEALTH'S CODE, WHICH SAYS A SUB UH, UTILITY WITHIN THE EXCEPT OF A RAILROAD CAN GO ANYWHERE BY, RIGHT. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW THAT I, I GUESS THE ONLY THING IS AS FAR AS PERHAPS THE OPTICS OF IT, LOOK OF IT LOOKING AND IF THE PEOPLE, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY WAY THAT THIS COULD BE DECLINED, BUT IF IT WOULD BE BETTER TO MAYBE SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THEY COULD HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          AND WHAT THAT MAY DO IS ALSO, UH, GIVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO THE FOLKS SO THEY WOULD HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF WHY THE DECISION WAS MADE THE WAY IT WAS. 
          SO I GUESS THE QUESTION IS, I DON'T KNOW IF WE CAN DO THAT NOW, IF IT, IF IT ACTUALLY WE, HEY, I HEARD WE HAVE A MEETING ON THE 28TH, SO WE COULD MAYBE THINK ABOUT IT THEN IF WE WANNA REMAND IT BACK TO THE, THE PLANNING, UH, COMMISSION AT THAT POINT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF WE NEED TO MAKE THAT DECISION NOW. 
          UH, THAT'S ALREADY IN PROCESS BECAUSE THE PLANNING DIRECTOR TALKED WITH THE, UH, CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND HE ASKED THAT IT BE SENT BACK. 
          OKAY. 
          AND BEFORE THE MEETING TONIGHT, I EXPRESSED THAT TO THE, THE SPEAKER, UH, MR. ROCKEFELLER. 
          OKAY. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK IF IT SHOULD JUST COME HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING OR NO, IT SHOULD GO BACK THERE. 
          IT SHOULD GO BACK THERE. 
          RIGHT THERE. 
          THAT'S GO BACK THERE? NO. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          I KNOW THIS WHOLE THING WAS KIND OF IN FLUX, SO I'M GLAD IT'S BEEN ADDRESSED. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          AND THEN THAT WILL BE PROPERLY ADVERTISED FOR THAT. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          OKAY. 
          WILL IT HAVE TO COME BACK TO US AFTER THEIR PLANNING? IT COMES TO YOU, UM, FOR APPROVAL AFTER ALL OF THIS? UH, NO. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, THAT'S WHY I WAS HERE TONIGHT, RIGHT? NO, NO. 
          SO, UM, YOU GET NOTICE OF WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE MM-HMM . 
          AND WITHIN 60 DAYS YOU COULD DECIDE TO DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE. 
          I RIGHT. 
          AND IF YOU WANT TO DO THAT, YOU WOULD TAKE ACTION. 
          IF YOU WANT TO LEAVE IT ALONE, YOU WOULD NOT TAKE ACTION. 
          OKAY. 
          IS THAT YOUR WHOLE REPORT? YES, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MY, MY REPORT, MY ONLY ITEM IS ABOUT THE, THE SAME TOPIC, THE SUBSTATION. 
          UM, IT WAS NOT LOST ON ME TONIGHT THAT, UH, WITH A 20% TAX HIKE ON THE, ON THE AGENDA, MORE PEOPLE TURNED OUT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE SUBSTATION THAN THE TAX RATE. 
          UM, AND I'M PLEASED TO HEAR THAT IT'S ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 28TH. 
          UM, I WOULD ALSO JUST WANNA ADD TO HAVE ON THE RECORD THAT I REQUESTED THAT THIS BE ADDED TO THE AGENDA ON THE 28TH, AS DID SUPERVISOR JAMESON. 
          AND UNDER OUR POLICIES, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 28TH, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAD REQUESTED IT INDEPENDENTLY. 
          BECAUSE PER THE POLICIES WE JUST PASSED, WHEN TWO SUPERVISORS ASKED FOR SOMETHING ON THE AGENDA, UH, WITHIN THE NOTIFICATION PERIOD, UH, THAT IS AUTOMATIC. 
          SO I'M HOPEFUL THAT THAT WOULD'VE BEEN GIVEN, UH, PROPER, UH, PRO PROCESS, UH, IN THAT CASE AS WELL. 
          JUST FOR CLARIFICATION, DOES THAT MEAN ORIGIN? 'CAUSE I'M NEW ON THE RULES. 
          I LIKE KNOWING ONE. 
          DOES THAT MEAN OUR AGENDA OR THE PLANNING COMMISSION? OUR AGENDA? YEAH, OUR AGENDA. 
          YEAH. 
          AND, AND JUST TO BE CLEAR, WHAT ALL I'M ASKING FOR, I'M NOT ASKING THAT. 
          WE HAVE A HEARING, I'M ASKING THAT WE DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT TO SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITHIN 60 DAYS, WHICH IS OUR, OUR RIGHT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S ALREADY GOING, BUT IT'S ALREADY GOING BACK. 
          SO WE DON'T NEED THAT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 28TH. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, IS IT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 28TH FOR US TO DISCUSS THAT, OR IS IT GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION ALREADY? IT'S ALREADY GOING BACK. 
          IT IS, IT'S IT'S NOT CURRENTLY, IT'S NOT CURRENTLY ON THE AGENDA FOR THE 28TH. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL THAT WAS MY REQUEST, BUT IF, IF IT'S DEFINITELY GOING BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, THEN I WITHDRAW MY REQUEST. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL, SO WAS OUR, OUR, 
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OUR INTENTION TO HAVE IT ON THE 28TH MEETING WAS TO ASK THE BOARD TO REMAND IT BACK TO THE PLAINTIFF. 
          WE CAN VOTE COURT HEARING AND IF THEY'RE GOING TO DO A PUBLIC HEARING ANYWAY, WE DON'T NEED TO MEET, WE DON'T NEED TO DISCUSS FURTHER. 
          WELL, WE'RE STILL GONNA MEET ON THE 28TH BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE WELL, I, I, I JUST MEANT FOR OTHER REASONS. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          BUT NO, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT WAS DECIDED BEFORE THIS MEETING TONIGHT THAT THE CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SAID, YES, SEND IT BACK AND WE WILL READDRESS IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEY, THEY STOOD UPON, SO TO SPEAK. 
          OKAY, GOT IT. 
          GOT IT. 
          AND THAT, THAT'S ON MY REPORT. 
          THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO TRY TO MAKE THIS QUICK, BUT I DID WANNA GIVE, UM, SOME SHOUT OUTS. 
          UM, WE MISSED IT BY A COUPLE OF DAYS. 
          UM, BUT I DID WANNA RECOGNIZE THE NATIONAL DISPATCHER, UM, APPRECIATION. 
          THAT WAS APRIL 12TH THROUGH THE 18TH. 
          AND THAT'S A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT ARE OFTEN FORGOTTEN. 
          SO I DID WANNA RECOGNIZE THEM. 
          TODAY'S THURSDAY, UM, SOMEONE THAT I HAS BEEN A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE FOR YEARS THAT I WANTED TO RECOGNIZE IS WILLIAM HAMMER JENNINGS. 
          ANYBODY THAT SHOPS AT MARTIN'S WILLIAM IS, IS THE FIXTURE IN THAT BUILDING. 
          AND HE WON THE, UM, STAFF OR WHATEVER, NOT FOR THIS STORE, BUT FOR EVERY STORE IN THIS REGION, WHICH IS A LOT OF STORES. 
          SO I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO, TO WILLIAM. 
          HE, HE GOES OUT OF HIS WAY TO BE VERY HELPFUL TO ANYBODY AND EVERYBODY THAT SHOPS THERE. 
          UM, JUST WANTED TO SAY, I MET WITH THE SHERIFF AND VDOT ONCE AGAIN AND THOMPSON HOLLOW. 
          AND I DON'T THINK AFTER THIS VISIT THEY'RE GONNA WANNA HEAR ANY MORE ABOUT THOMPSON HOLLOW. 
          THEY ARE GONNA DO, UM, SOME FIX. 
          THE STRIPING, PUT NO PAINT, NO PARKING IN AREAS. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, THE ONLY REASON YOU SHOULD GET TOWED IS IF YOU DECIDE NOT TO OBEY THE SIGNS. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW, UM, HOW MUCH MORE THEY CAN DO. 
          UM, THE 11TH, I WANTED TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOLS. 
          FFA, I DON'T KNOW WHO WENT TO THEIR STEAK DINNER, BUT IT WAS A GREAT EVENING. 
          THE KIDS WERE, UM, THE MEAL WAS DELICIOUS, BUT THE KIDS ACTUALLY WERE WAITERS AND YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO, I, I THINK THAT MY PERSON SITTING NEXT TO ME WAS LIKE, QUIT BUGGING ME BECAUSE THEY KEPT COMING SAYING, DO YOU NEED MORE TO DRINK? DO YOU NEED MORE? YOU KNOW, WHATEVER. 
          BUT THEY WERE VERY GRACIOUS AND IT WAS JUST A REALLY GOOD NIGHT. 
          UM, ASK, IS THAT BEEF THAT THEY RAISED? IT WAS BEEF IT, UM, IT WAS, I'M SURE IT WAS LOCAL BEEF. 
          THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, KEN MATTHEWS IS ONE OF THE FFA TEACHERS AND UM, HIS DAD OWNS THE SOCK SALE, SO I'M SURE IT WAS GOOD BEEF. 
          YEAH. 
          WELL I KNOW IT WAS GOOD BEEF 'CAUSE I ATE IT. 
          UM, THEN I JUST WANTED TO GIVE A BRIEF UPDATE ON THE 15TH. 
          I WENT TO THE REGIONAL COMMISSION'S, UM, BROADBAND UPDATE. 
          IF ANYBODY'S BEEN GOING TO PAGE COUNTY, THEY'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF WORK ON THREE 40. 
          THEY, THEY'VE BEEN IN HOW HOLLOW THEY GAVE, UM, A SCHEDULE. 
          I WAS A LITTLE CONCERNED BECAUSE THE WORK CREWS THAT THEY HAVE SCHEDULED HERE DON'T MEET THE AMOUNT OF WORK CREWS I WOULD'VE LIKED TO HAVE SEEN. 
          BUT THEY'RE GONNA INCREASE AS NEEDED. 
          AND THEY STILL SAY THEY CAN GET IT ALL DONE BY DECEMBER. 
          THERE ARE DIFFERENT, UM, ONE OF THE AWARD-WINNING GROUPS, REMEMBER WHEN WE GOT THE BEAD MONEY AND YOU HAD TO DISPERSE IT OUT BECAUSE IT WAS A COMPETITIVE THING. 
          UM, ONE OF THE COMPANIES HAS DEFAULTED, SO THEY'RE OUT. 
          I WOULDN'T EVEN KNOW THE NAME IF YOU ASK. 
          AND, UM, SO THERE'S REGIONS WHERE THERE'S, UH, ALL POINTS AND THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A COUPLE OF REGIONS. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHERE ALL THOSE REGIONS, HE'S SUPPOSED TO SEND ME THE, THE POWERPOINT THAT HE DID, BUT, UM, BUT THEY'RE CONFIDENT THEY'RE GONNA GET IT DONE. 
          AND THERE IS WORK BEING DONE THROUGHOUT, UM, TOWN ON THE 16TH. 
          WE HAD OUR TOWN COUNTY LIAISON THAT MR. HENRY WAS WITH. 
          IF ANYBODY'S WATCHED THE VIDEO FROM THAT, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A REALLY GOOD MEETING. 
          UM, WE'VE AGREED TO WORK ON A LOT OF THINGS. 
          UM, MOST OF THE ITEMS THAT WERE ON THERE WERE FROM THE TOWN, BUT THEY DID, UM, THEY WERE JOINT THINGS. 
          THE ONE THING, AND I THINK WE'VE ALL GOTTEN THE EMAILS ABOUT THE, UM, SITE THAT PEOPLE THAT LIVED IN THE COUNTY ON THIS END USED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE THEIR BRUSH TO THE TOWN LOT, THAT THEY'RE NOW PAYING A FEE. 
          I THINK THERE'S SOME CONFUSION THAT THAT WAS A JOINT DECISION WITH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO ENFORCE 
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THAT FEE. 
          THAT WAS A TOWN DECISION. 
          WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THAT. 
          AND I THINK IT PROBABLY CAME ON THE HEELS OF WE HAD TO INCREASE WHAT THEY PAY TO DUMP AT THE TIPPING BOARD BECAUSE PAGE COUNTY HAS INCREASED WHAT CHARGE US TO DUMP IN THEIRS. 
          SO IT'S A TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT. 
          BUT THAT WAS NOT A DECISION FOR US TO, TO IMPOSE THAT $15 FEE FOR DUMPING. 
          AND I'M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT IT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A TREK, BUT YOU CAN DUMP IT FOR FREE. 
          AND AT THE BENTONVILLE SITE, UM, ONE TO GIVE A SHOUT OUT TO MS. MEADOWS AND EVERYONE, AND THERE'S SO MANY PEOPLE I'M GONNA MISS, BUT, UM, THE LANTERN TO LIBERTY WAS A REALLY GREAT EVENT, BEAUTIFUL DAY. 
          UM, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW, I DIDN'T SEE ANY OF YOU, BUT IF YOU WENT, UM, I, I THOUGHT IT WAS A REALLY GREAT EVENT. 
          MY GRANDSON WAS ENTHRALLED WITH ALL THE, UM, OLD GAMES AND THINGS THAT THE KIDS USED TO DO BEFORE THERE WERE VIDEO GAMES. 
          AND, UM, SO HE, HE REALLY ENJOYED THE DAY WITH ME. 
          UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT GOT BROUGHT UP, UM, THE BATTLEFIELD, I, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A DISCUSSION WHERE YOU HAD REACHED OUT, BUT I DON'T KNOW ABOUT WHEN MR. BUTLER WAS CHAIRMAN, BUT SINCE I'VE BEEN CHAIRMAN, I HAVE NOT BEEN ASKED TO BRING THEM IN FOR A WORK SESSION BY ANYBODY ON THIS BOARD OR BY THE BATTLEFIELD. 
          BUT I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO DO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THEY REACHED OUT LAST YEAR. 
          I WOULDN'T HAVE HAD ANY, I'D HAVE BEEN GLAD TO TALK TO 'EM THEN, BUT I WAS NOT THE CHAIR. 
          I HAD NO DECISION MAKING IN THAT. 
          BUT I AM MORE THAN WILLING TO HEAR WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY. 
          I'D LOVE FOR THEM TO LOOK AT THE FAIRVIEW HOUSE. 
          SO YEAH, IF SOMEBODY'S GOT A CONTACT NUMBER, GIVE IT TO ME. 
          I'LL BE GLAD TO REACH OUT TO 'EM AND HAVE THEM COME IN, TALK TO ALL OF US. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, I'VE SOLVED SOMETHING WHERE, YOU KNOW, I'M SUPPOSED TO KNOW. 
          I, I KNOW YOU SAID IT WAS A LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY, BUT YOU NEVER GAVE A DOLLAR AMOUNT. 
          SO I HAVE NO IDEA TO ANY OF THAT. 
          JUST MAKING THAT CLEAR. 
          UM, I THINK WE TALKED, AND SINCE YOU'RE HERE, MR. HAM, IF YOU COULD JUST SAY A LITTLE BIT, I, I SAID ON THE PILOT, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, THAT IF YOU USE CATEGORIES AND WHAT I REMEMBER FROM OUR TALK BEFORE, AND THEN I DID, I GOOGLED IT, AND IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO MAKE FUN OF ME BEFORE, 'CAUSE I SAID I GOOGLED IT, THEN GO RIGHT AHEAD. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK I'M THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS WORLD THAT'S USING GOOGLE. 
          UM, IF YOU ARE IN AGREEMENT, IF MR. CARTER AND I AGREE THAT I'M WILLING TO PAY HIM A TAX IN LIEU OF WHATEVER, THEN WE AGREE AND THAT'S GONNA BE DONE. 
          AND HE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAX THE WHOLE CATEGORY I'M IN BECAUSE I AGREED. 
          IF I SAY, HECK NO, I'M NOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FORCE ME, THEN EVERYTHING IN THAT CATEGORY HAS TO BE TAXED EQUALLY. 
          YES. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER LIMITATIONS AS WELL. 
          I DON'T HAVE ALL THAT STUFF IN FRONT OF ME RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S, YOU KNOW, RELATED TO THE, UH, ASSESSED VALUE OF PROPERTIES, IT'S RELATED TO THE AMOUNT OF SERVICES THAT GO TO THOSE PROPERTIES. 
          BUT THE MAIN POINT IS, AND THIS IS WHY LOTS OF OUR CLIENTS, UH, YOU KNOW, WE REPRESENT 25 PUBLIC BODIES. 
          NOW NO ONE DOES THIS BECAUSE THE PEOPLE YOU ACTUALLY WANT TO CONTRIBUTE TO YOUR, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST SAY IT FOR WHAT IT IS, VALLEY HEALTH, UM, ARE GONNA END UP IN THE SAME CATEGORY AS A CHURCH OR SOME OTHER CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT NO ONE WOULD EVER WANT TO TAX. 
          YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THERE IS A CITY OF WINCHESTER DEAL WITH VALLEY HEALTH. 
          I'VE READ THAT THAT HAPPENED BEFORE WE REPRESENTED WINCHESTER. 
          UH, THAT WAS IN SETTLEMENT OF LITIGATION. 
          I DON'T KNOW ALL THE DETAILS ABOUT IT, BUT, YOU KNOW, AND THEN WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID, I MEAN, BASICALLY IS, YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU AGREE TO PAY, I MEAN THAT'S A, THAT'S A GIFT OR A DONATION TO THE COMMUNITY OR A RECOGNITION THAT VALLEY HEALTH, ALTHOUGH IT MIGHT BE NONPROFITS, CERTAINLY DOES MAKE MONEY AND, AND CONSUMES RESOURCES FROM THE COUNTY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CLOSED MEETING ABOUT THIS A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, AND I HAD ALL THAT STUFF IN FRONT OF ME AT MY FINGERTIPS THEN. 
          BUT, UH, IT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PRIOR BOARD DECIDED NOT TO PURSUE IT BASED UPON WHAT I HAD SAID BEFORE, WHICH WAS BASICALLY WHAT I'M TELLING YOU NOW, WHICH IS THAT, UM, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE INDIVIDUAL CATEGORIES AND THEN, 
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YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER, UM, I MEAN, IT'S A TAX, UM, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A TAX. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHAT CATEGORIES YOU LEVY TAXES ON UNLESS THE STATE CODE TELLS YOU CAN, YOU CAN. 
          AND SO YOU DON'T GET TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONES YOU GET TO DO THE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF, UNLESS THE STATE CODE TELLS YOU YOU CAN. 
          AND THERE ARE A FEW DIFFERENT OPTIONS, UM, BUT IT ENDS UP BEING BROAD ENOUGH TO ENCOMPASS ENTITIES THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WAY MORE THAN JUST VALLEY HEALTH. 
          OKAY. 
          I, I DIDN'T, I DON'T LIKE TO GIVE OUT MISINFORMATION, BUT I FELT FAIRLY CONFIDENT I HAD IT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT, RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU AND I TALKED ABOUT THAT A FEW WEEKS AGO AND YOU HAD REMEMBERED EVERYTHING THAT WE HAD DISCUSS. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE I WANTED, I WANTED TO PUT A PILOT ON THEM REALLY SEVERAL YEARS AGO. 
          THAT'S WHAT BROUGHT THIS UP. 
          UM, IF, IF WE COULD DO IT, I'M RIGHT THERE ON BOARD WITH IT. 
          BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE THERE. 
          AND I THINK WE'VE ALREADY, I I WAS WRITING DOWN NOTES AS PEOPLE TALKED, UM, AND WE'VE ALL DISCUSSED THE, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAD. 
          MR. I MEAN, DR. MARTIN, UM, I DON'T REALLY DON'T HAVE A REPORT, BUT A RESPONSE, UH, THE BATTLEFIELD INDIVIDUALS SENT ME AN EMAIL YESTERDAY, I RESPONDED TODAY, UM, THAT JUST LET ME GET THROUGH THIS WEEKEND AND THE BUDGET STUFF. 
          UH, BUT I HAVE PHONE NUMBERS AND INDIVIDUALS NOW. 
          GREAT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HAM, ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY BAT? ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY BATTLEFIELD FOUNDATION? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I'LL, I'LL JUST TELL Y ALL MY FIRM REPRESENTS THEM, SO I HAVE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THEM OBVIOUSLY AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? IF NOT JUST, WELL, ONE THING, UM, I'VE, I WANT TO, UH, I'M NOT WELL VERSED ENOUGH ON THE THING, AND I DON'T, CERTAINLY NOW IS NOT THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. 
          I'M JUST GONNA ASSEMBLE SOME THINGS I'VE LEARNED AND THEN DISTRIBUTE 'EM TO EVERYBODY AS FAR AS THE VALLEY HEALTH THING. 
          UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IT. 
          I, THAT'S JUST TO MAKE SURE. 
          OKAY, GOOD. 
          I I HAVE ONE THOUGHT ON THAT TOO. 
          EVEN IF, EVEN IF THE ONLY OPTION IS TO GET THEM TO VOLUNTARILY AGREE, UH, AND MAYBE THAT WAS A MISSED OPPORTUNITY BACK WHEN THE HOSPITAL WAS GOING UP, BUT, BUT SOMETIMES THERE ARE WAYS TO, TO, TO CONVINCE SOMEBODY TO VOLUNTARILY AGREE. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER LEVERS WE HAVE THAT, THAT THEY'D BE, YOU KNOW, PREFER A VOLUNTARY AGREEMENT. 
          SO I WOULDN'T BE OPPOSED TO ASKING NO. 
          AND ALL WE COULD DO WAS SAY NO. 
          NO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          MOVE TO ADJOURN. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SAFE TRIP HOME EVERYONE. 
          THANK YOU.
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