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SO WE'LL GET THE SPECIAL MEETING STARTED.
[A. Public Hearing - Maufactured Homes CY 2026 Tax Rates]
AND FIRST ON THE AGENDA IS, UM, THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES, UM, TO SET THE 26 TAX RATE THAT DID NOT GET SET ON, UM, THE ADVERTISEMENT THAT WENT OUT FOR THE FIRST BUDGET HEARING.SO I WILL GO AHEAD AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING.
AND DR. MARTIN, WAS MS. HOURS GONNA BE HERE? I DIDN'T WANNA, OKAY.
SO THE REAL ESTATE, PERSONAL PROPERTY, SANITARY DISTRICT, AND OTHER TAXES, UH, THAT NEEDED TO BE ESTABLISHED, UM, HAVE ALREADY BEEN DONE.
THE CURRENT TAX RATE FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES IS 47 9 PER HUNDRED OF ASSESSED VALUE.
AND THE PROPOSED TAX RATE FOR 2026 FOR MANUFACTURED HOMES IS POINT 56 9 FOR 100, UH, DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUE.
MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS AT THIS TIME? HEARING NONE AND NO USE CALLING 'CAUSE THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE PEOPLE HERE.
SO IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS FROM THE BOARD? OKAY, I WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS? I'LL MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION TO NO, WAIT, SORRY.
I MOVE THAT THE MANUFACTURED HOMES TAX RATE BE SET AT 0.569 PER HUNDRED DOLLARS OF ASSESSED VALUE.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND, MR. HENDERSON, WE DO ROLL CALL PLEASE.
[B. Adoption of Resolution to Set Percentage of Tax Relief for Personal Property (Motor Vehicles) for 2026 Tax Year]
MOVING ON.THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION TO SET PERCENTAGE OF TAX RATE FOR MOTOR VEHICLES, UM, AND THAT I'M GONNA WING THIS AND DR. MARTIN, YOU CAN HELP ME OR MS. SCOTT.
EACH YEAR THE STATE HAS A REDUCTION OF PERCENTAGE OF, UM, I GUESS YOU WOULD CALL IT RELIEF FROM THE PERSONAL PROPERTY.
AND THIS YEAR IT LOOKS LIKE THAT HAS BEEN, UM, SENT DOWN FROM THE STATE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE 27.36 OR 27%.
SO THAT'S WHAT THE STATE IS WILLING TO GIVE BACK TO THE LOCALITY FOR THE RELIEF ON THAT.
IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT? IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE AND ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION TO SET A PERCENTAGE OF TAX RELIEF FOR THE 2026 TAX YEAR AT A LEVEL THAT IS ANTICIPATED TO EXHAUST PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX RELIEF FUNDS PROVIDED TO WARREN COUNTY BY THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA AS AUTHORIZED BY WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION 1 6 0 DASH 1 0 9.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND.
[C. Additional Appropriation - Front Royal-Warren County Airport - Box Hangar Project]
AND NEXT ON THE AGENDA IS THE, UH, LEMME GET THAT UP SO I CAN READ IT RIGHT OFF HERE.ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION FOR THE FRONT ROYAL WARREN COUNTY AIRPORT BOX HANGER PROJECT.
DID, I THINK WE'RE GONNA HANDLE PARTS OF THIS.
UM, SO THIS MORNING, UH, AFTER THE LAST BOARD MEETING, UH, MS. SCOTT AND I HAD A
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CONVERSATION, UH, WITH DAVENPORT, WHO IS OUR BOND COUNSEL, OR OUR FINANCE, UH, COUNSEL.AND WE DESCRIBED THE SITUATION WITH THEM RELATED TO WHETHER WE GO OUT FOR A LOAN TO PURCHASE THESE SIX HANGERS, OR WE USE PART OF THE FUND BALANCE.
SO OFF THE TOP THEY SAID THE COUNTY WOULD NOT QUALIFY FOR OUR VRA LOAN BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE THE AUDITS TO SUPPORT SUCH A LOAN.
UM, BECAUSE WE WOULD NEED TO HAVE THOSE AUDITS IN PLACE BEFORE WE WENT BACK APPLICATION.
SO, WHICH THEN BROUGHT UP WHERE, WHAT ARE SOME OF OR OPTIONS FOR US? AND CERTAINLY ONE OPTION WOULD BE TO PUT OUT AN RFP AND THAT RFP WOULD GO OUT TO BANKS, UH, BANKS THAT WE CURRENTLY DEAL WITH AND BANKS THAT THEY WOULD RECOMMEND TO US.
UM, IN ORDER TO DO THAT, IT WOULD TAKE APPROXIMATELY A WEEK FOR THEM TO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
IT WOULD GO OUT TO THESE BANKS FOR THREE TO FOUR WEEKS.
UM, AND THEN WE WOULD HAVE, UM, HAVE THEM BROUGHT BACK.
UM, THIS WAS PART OF, THIS WAS NEW LEARNING FOR ME, AND HERE'S THE NEW LEARNING, WHICH I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT NORMALLY LIKE WHEN WE GO OUT AND YOU'RE GONNA BUILD A SCHOOL AND YOU BORROW THE MONEY FOR THE BONDS, IT'S NOT TAXABLE.
SO IF YOU'RE GONNA BORROW 1.5 MILLION, THAT IS A, UH, WILL BE DONE ON A TAXABLE BASIS RATHER THAN BEING TAX EXEMPT.
UM, THE OTHER PIECE, UM, IS THE COST THAT WE TALKED ABOUT.
THESE ARE NOT HIDDEN COSTS, BUT THEY WERE PRETTY UPFRONT ABOUT THIS.
WE WOULD OWE DAVENPORT A FEE TO BORROW THE MONEY.
WE WOULD HAVE TO HAVE A BOND ATTORNEY, WHICH WE WOULD HAVE TO PAY A FEE.
WE WOULD HAVE THE BANK ATTORNEY TO BORROW THE MONEY.
AND THE LONG, AND THE SHORT OF IT WOULD BE AROUND $120,000 IN FEES TO BORROW 1.5 MILLION.
SO I DID ASK AT THE END, OUR COUNSEL, UM, AND THIS IS, I THINK YOU HAVE THE ONE PAGER, AND ON THE BACK IT HAS DAVENPORT'S RECOMMENDATION THAT THE CON THE COUNTY CONSIDER FUNDING THIS PROJECT FROM A AVAILABLE RESERVES AND ADOPT A REIMBURSEMENT RESOLUTION, WHICH WOULD ALLOW THE COUNTY TO FINANCE THIS PROJECT AT A LATER DATE.
SHOULD THERE BE A NEED OR A DESIRE TO REPLENISH THE $1.5 MILLION IN RESERVES.
SO HAVE BORROWING OR USING OUR OWN FUND BALANCE UPFRONT AND THEN DOWN THE ROAD, IF WE FELT THE NEED, WE COULD BORROW THE MONEY TO REPLENISH THAT 1.5.
UM, THAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION.
UH, MS. SCOTT AND I HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TODAY TO MEET WITH THE, UH, PRESIDENT OF THE AIRPORT COMMISSION AND, UM, MR. STAN MEYER WHO IS ON THAT, UH, AS YOUR REPRESENTATIVE.
UH, SO WE BRIEFED THEM ON THAT AS WELL.
AND SO THE THREE OF US NOW STAND READY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS SHOULD YOU HAVE THEM
UM, JOHN, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THIS SPREADSHEET YOU JUST SENT? I, YEAH.
UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, THE, JUST FOR EVERYBODY'S SAKE, IT SAYS HANGERS ARE ACTUALLY SELF-SUSTAINING AFTER SOME TIME.
SO I WANT TO KNOW THE ECONOMICS.
YEAH, I DID, UM, SOME RESEARCH AND PUT TOGETHER, IF FOR NOTHING ELSE THAN TO CONVINCE MYSELF THAT I'M LEANING THE RIGHT WAY ON THIS ISSUE.
UH, AN ECONOMIC MODEL, LOOKING AT 30 YEARS TO SEE IF THE HANGERS COULD BE SELF SUSTAIN SUSTAINING, UM, AND THAT WOULD CONSIDER RENT AS WELL AS, UH, THE ADDITIONAL AIRCRAFT THAT WOULD BE ON BASE AT THE AIRPORT.
WHAT TAX REVENUE WOULD THEY GENERATE, UH, AS WELL AS HOW MUCH FUEL WOULD THEY CONSUME GIVEN TYPICAL FLYING PATTERNS AND HOW MUCH, UH, PROFIT THAT FUEL WOULD GENERATE.
UM, SO, UH, I SENT THAT OUT, UH, MAINLY TO, TO, UM, DAVID, UH, THE, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND TO ALYSSA, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR, JUST TO, TO LET THEM KNOW THAT I, I THOUGHT THIS WOULD WORK.
UM, I ALSO SENT IT TO SUPERVISOR JAMESON BECAUSE HE'S PROLIFIC EXCEL, UH, MODELER AND, UM, WOULD WANT TO SEE IT.
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MY, UH, CONCLUSION WAS THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED SOME REASONABLE ASSUMPTIONS, UM, THAT INCLUDE INFLATION RATES FOR AIRCRAFT PRICES FOR AVGAS AND FOR HANGAR RENT.UH, THOSE ARE TYPICALLY A LITTLE HIGHER FOR ALL THREE OF THOSE THAN THAN REGULAR INFLATION.
UM, UH, I PUT IT IN OCCUPANCY RATE AND STRESS TESTED THAT, UM, AND LOOKED AT THE, BASICALLY THE CASH CASHFLOW OF THIS, WHICH IS DEFINITELY NEGATIVE, UM, FOR THE FIRST SEVERAL YEARS, BUT IT, IT SEEMED TO GO CASHFLOW POSITIVE AT ABOUT 10 YEARS AND, AND SEEMS TO DIG OUT OF ITS OWN HOLE AT ABOUT 18 YEARS AND GENERATES A NET PROFIT AT THE END OF 30 YEARS.
UM, I TOOK THAT PROFIT AND, UH, DISCOUNTED IT, MEANING I FOUND THE NET PRESENT VALUE OF IT.
WHAT IS IT WORTH TODAY? UM, ASSUMING THAT WE COULD INVEST THAT MONEY ELSEWHERE AT THE VFE RATE OF 3.8% AND THE NPV WAS STILL ABOUT 300,000 PROFIT TO THE COUNTY ON, ON THIS IN THE LONG RUN.
UM, SO BASED ON ALL THAT, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE THIS WOULD WORK IF WE HAD, THE MODEL HAS 12 AIRPLANES IN THE NEW HANGERS.
UM, THE BREAK EVEN IS MORE LIKE 10 AIRPLANES, WHICH IS ABOUT AN 83% OCCUPANCY RATE.
UM, SO ON THAT, UH, I THINK THAT, UM, THAT THESE HANGERS CAN SUSTAIN THEMSELVES, THAT, THAT HAD BEEN CALLED INTO QUESTION.
AND I WANTED TO KNOW FOR MYSELF, UM, I, IN, IN THE PROCESS PROCESS OF THIS, I LEARNED A LOT ABOUT, UM, AIRCRAFT DEPRECIATION AND FUEL BURN AND ALL KINDS OF THINGS, BUT IT WAS A FUNDAMENTAL EXERCISE.
SO THE, THE MODEL THEN IS BASICALLY ASSUMING IT WAS, IT'S A DEBT TRANSACTION, UH, IT DOES ASSUME A LOAN OF 30 YEARS AT 3.8%.
UM, GIVEN WHAT WE'VE JUST LEARNED FROM DAVENPORT THAT WE CAN'T REALLY GET A LOAN RIGHT NOW, I WOULD BE LEANING TOWARDS, UM, AT LEAST FOR THE TIME BEING AUTHORIZING THIS FROM THE GENERAL FUND, KNOWING, KNOWING THAT IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF IN THE LONG RUN.
MAYBE ONCE THE AUDITS ARE DONE, UM, WE CAN GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE LOAN OPTION IF WE WANTED TO, TO FREE UP THAT MONEY.
AND IS IT A, IS IT A, CAN YOU REVIEW LIKE, THE TIMELINE OF OF, OF PULLING IT OUTTA THE RESERVE? IS IT OVER A COUPLE YEARS OR IS IT ALL AT ONCE? IS IT NOW LIKE, WELL, I'M GONNA RELY ON MR. BARRY TO COME FORWARD? I DON'T THINK IT'S ALL AT ONCE, BUT IT'LL BE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME TO PULL DOWN FROM THE FUND BALANCE.
HE MAY HAVE A BETTER IDEA OF WHEN THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I WOULD SAY IF WE'RE GONNA BUILD 'EM ALL AT ONE TIME, WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST BID, YOU KNOW, WE'RE BIDDING THE PROJECT PER HANGAR.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I MENTIONED EARLIER WAS I WANTED THE ENGINEERS TO SET IT UP.
SO IF WE DIDN'T HAVE AN OPTION, WE COULD STILL USE THAT, THAT UH, UH, BILL FUNDING THAT WE HAVE TO AT LEAST BUILD ONE MM-HMM
SO, I MEAN, IF THERE WAS, YOU KNOW, A SITUATION THAT WE NEEDED TO PAY UPON COMPLETION, WE COULD DO THAT.
BUT I WOULD ANTICIPATE CONSTRUCTION THIS YEAR.
UM, AND, AND I WOULD ANTICIPATE USING ALL THAT MONEY, UM, AS SOON AS WE PUT 'EM UP.
I THINK THE, THE GROUNDWORK AND THE CONCRETE WORK, I MEAN, IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A LONG TIME PUTTING THESE THINGS UP, YOU KNOW, I, I ANTICIPATE JUST TURNING, YOU KNOW, IMMEDIATELY STARTING
THAT'S NOT PART OF THE YEAH, THAT'S NOT PART OF THE PLAN.
UNLESS YOU WANT IT TO BE PART OF THE PLAN.
JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT THE PLAN YES, SIR.
UH, AND IT, IT LOOKS, I DIDN'T EVEN TO INTERRUPT WITH YOU.
OH, IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, ABOUT A LITTLE OVER HALF A MILLION.
WE HAVE $563,000 SETTING, I THINK I MENTIONED EARLIER.
IF I DON'T USE IT THIS YEAR, I'LL LOSE 165 OF THAT.
SO, SO BASICALLY IT'S A, A $2 MILLION PROJECT WITH A 1.5, ROUGHLY A 1.5 COUNTY INVESTMENT.
THAT, UH, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S, OH, AT LEAST IN THAT, EVEN IN A FEW YEARS.
AND THEN LONG TERM IT'S, IT'S GOOD INVESTMENT.
OH, AND THAT DOESN'T CONSIDER THE OTHER PART OF THE PROJECT THAT WE'RE ALREADY UNDER GRANT FOR, FOR THE SITE WORK, IT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL PAID EXCEPT FOR A HUNDRED THOUSAND OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.
WHATEVER THAT WAS TOO IS ALSO PART OF THE, RIGHT.
SO YOU'RE LOOKING AT 1.2 MILLION ON THE FRONT THAT'S ALREADY TAKEN CARE OF.
SO IT WOULD BE A TOTAL OF ABOUT 3.2 WITH A A 1.5 YES.
AND THEN THERE WERE OTHER ELEMENTS OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN DEALING WITH THE RUNWAY AND THE TAXI APRON AND EVERYTHING.
THOSE ARE ALMOST ALL GRANT MONEY.
AND I MEAN, WE'VE BEEN PAYING THOSE, UM, YOU KNOW THAT RIGHT OUT OF THE AIRPORT FUND AS WELL.
UM, YOU KNOW, THOSE, I MEAN WE WERE TALKED ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT.
WE HAVEN'T RESEARCHED IT DEEPLY,
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BUT I MEAN, OPERATIONALLY WE CAN SUPPORT OURSELVES.UM, MAJOR INFRASTRUCTURE, WE'VE BEEN PAYING THOSE BILLS TOO.
UM, WHEN YOU GET TO THIS, THIS SIZE RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER.
UM, BUT WE'RE GONNA BE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, A $3 MILLION RUNWAY PROJECT AND WE'RE GONNA PAY A LITTLE BIT OF NOTHING.
UM, AND THEN WE'LL HAVE A TAXIWAY PROJECT.
IT'LL BE A COUPLE MILLION DOLLARS THERE AND THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WILL CARRY THE, THE BLUNT OF THE LOAD.
SO, WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF, A LOT OF INFRASTRUCTURE OUT THERE.
AND AS I MENTIONED LAST TIME I WAS HERE, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S THE OWNER.
WELL, OH, IT WAS SOME YEARS AGO WHEN MR. FOX WAS ON THE BOARD, UH, WHEN THE MEDEVAC FIRST COME IN.
HE HAD INDICATED THAT, UH, IT WAS BASICALLY A TAXPAYER SUBSIDIZED COMPLETELY AIRPORT.
AND THEN, UH, THAT WAS A GOOD, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY TIPPED THE SCALES BACK WHERE IT WASN'T SO FAR OUTTA RANGE, BUT THE GOAL OF OF GETTING THIS THING SELF-SUSTAINING AND THEN THAT'S TRUE.
THE FURTHER GOAL WAS TO IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE IT BE A REVENUE GENERATOR.
AND THEN IT SUPPORTS SOME OTHER INDUSTRIES TOO, IT SOUNDS LIKE ON OUR TOURISM AND YES, SIR.
SOME OTHER THINGS TOO, SO, YEAH.
I REMEMBER A COUPLE YEARS AGO YEAH.
IN THE AIRPORT REPORT WHERE SOMEBODY HAD FLOWN IN TO GO TO RURAL KING TO BUY A TRACTOR MM-HMM
FROM SOUTHWEST VIRGINIA OR SOMEWHERE.
SO THEY ARE, YOU KNOW, HELPING THE ECONOMY.
WE HAD A NETFLIX, UH, FILM OUT THERE, OR ONE OF THEIR REALITY SHOWS THE OTHER YEAR, LOVE IS BLIND.
THEY DID A, A SHOW OUT THERE AT THE AIRPORT, UM, OUT AROUND THE OLD PLANE.
AND I MEAN, WE WEREN'T ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE TIME WE DID WAIVERS AND SUCH, BUT YOU I THINK IT WAS 24, WASN'T IT? 24 WHEN THEY DID THAT.
MUCH BLIND YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ON NETFLIX.
SO WE'VE HAD OTHER THINGS HAPPENING IN THERE TOO.
AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK THAT'S GOOD EXPOSURE.
THE ANALYSIS I DID, BY THE WAY, DIDN'T ATTEMPT TO CAPTURE ANY OF THE, THE KNOCK ON OR THE RIPPLE EFFECTS, UH, BUT THERE'S DEFINITELY ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO HAVING ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY AND ADDITIONAL PLANES BASED AT THE AIRPORT.
BEYOND THOSE, THE ECONOMIC IMPACT MODEL HAS, HAS BEEN WE THAT WE JUST SAW SOME OF THAT, RIGHT? YES, SIR.
SO THAT IS IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN AND, AND IT IS GOOD FOR PEOPLE TO RECOGNIZE IT IN THE SAME WAY THAT, UM, VIRGINIA TOURISM, UH, COMMISSION OR WHATEVER, THAT THEY, THEY HAVE PUBLISH INFORMATION THAT BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION PUBLISHES PEOPLE THAT DO ECONOMIC IMPACT STUDIES.
PUBLISH THAT, MAKE IT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN SO THAT WE CAN SEE WHAT THE IMPACT IS.
AND IT'S NOT A STRAIGHT LINE ALWAYS.
BUT IT'S THERE AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT.
AND THEIR FULL REPORT, I DON'T, IT HAS NOT COME OUT YET.
I MEAN, I, I SENT YOU THE LINK TO THE CURRENT INFORMATION.
BUT IT, I MEAN, IT, IT'S PRETTY AMAZING TO ME HOW MUCH IS IN THE COMMONWEALTH, UM, BECAUSE OF THE BIG AIRPORTS OF COURSE.
BUT THE SMALL, THE SMALL LITTLE HOPPERS, I MEAN, WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE COME IN AS REALLY SURPRISED AS ME THAT COME IN AND COME INTO TOWN.
AND I THINK PAUL, MR. KOSINSKI MENTIONED THE, THE COURTESY CAR.
I MEAN, PEOPLE COME IN, FLY IN, GET IN THE CAR, AND THEY COME TO TOWN AND UM, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD SOME PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST TALK AND END UP STAYING FOR A FEW DAYS.
UM, AND, AND THEY LIKE IT HERE.
WELL, THE ONLY THING I WANT TO SAY TO THIS BOARD IS THAT, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT THAT WHAT MR. SANDMEYER DID HERE TO, TO SHOW, UH, THE ECONOMIC VIABILITY.
UM, BURT GIVES ME HEARTBURN TO USE CASH FOR SOMETHING THAT CAN ACTUALLY PAY FOR ITSELF.
IF WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY.
I WOULD'VE LIKED THERE TO BE THE, A COMMITMENT TO MOVE IT INTO DEBT AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO SO.
UM, 'CAUSE I DO THINK THAT THAT CASH SHOULD BE USED FOR, FOR, UH, ASSETS THAT DON'T PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY REALM AND, AND, UH, AND, AND CHILLERS AND, AND WHATNOT THAT'LL NEVER PAY FOR THEMSELVES.
SO, UM, I RECKON I'VE HEARD WHAT, WHAT, WHAT MS. DR. MARTIN SAID AND, UH, WHAT, WHAT JOHN'S PROVIDED HERE.
I WOULD JUST, I WOULD JUST, UM, THAT'S IT.
I JUST, IF WE CAN USE CASH TO DO THIS, I WOULD LIKE, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S FORMAL, IF THAT'S EVEN POSSIBLE.
IT'S PROBABLY NOT POSSIBLE TO MAKE A COMMITMENT IN THE FUTURE, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE ON THE RECORD AS HOPING THIS GETS TRANSFERRED TO DEBT SINCE IT HAS THE CAPACITY TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
SO THAT I WOULD AGREE, I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT.
YOU KNOW, UNLESS, UNLESS WHEN ALL THAT'S COME OUT TO AN EXTENSIVE AMOUNT OF FUND BALANCE, I, I WOULD AGREE.
I'D RATHER HAVE A TAXPAYER FUNDS BACK IN THE SAVINGS ACCOUNT, DRAW AN INTEREST AND, AND LET THIS PROJECT, UH, CONTINUE TO PAY FOR ITSELF.
UH, BUT, UH, I, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE TO MAKE THAT PART OF IT, BUT I WOULD DEFINITELY AGREE MM-HMM
AS THOSE AUDIT GET COMPLETED AND, AND THAT'S AN AVAILABLE OPTION, UH, I DEFINITELY WOULD SUPPORT REVISITING THAT
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FOR THE LAND.AND THE VRA ISS I THINK A VERY GOOD OPTION.
'CAUSE THEY DO HAVE AN AIRPORT FUND.
UM, AND THAT'S WHAT IT'S USED FOR THROUGH VRA.
DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION IS WHERE IT STARTS.
UM, AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE SUPPORTED OUR PROJECT.
WELL, I DO HAVE A MOTION I'M READY TO MAKE, BUT I DON'T KNOW, CAN I SAY SOMETHING? YEAH, LET HE HAD SOME NOTES.
UM, BEFORE WE MAKE THE MOTION THEN I THINK, WELL ANYWAY, UM, THE AIRPORT'S AND ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SO IT SHOULD BE SELF-CONTAINED.
UM, BUT DO WE GET, LIKE FOR INSTANCE, THE AIRPLANE TAX, DOES THAT COME STRAIGHT TO THE COUNTY OR DOES THAT GO BACK TO THE IT HAS COME STRAIGHT TO THE GENERAL FUND PREVIOUSLY IN 27, WE'RE GOING TO SHIFT IT SO THAT IT GETS DIRECTLY DEPOSITED INTO THE AIRPORT FUND.
HAS BEEN DOING TRANSFERS OF THE REVENUE FROM GENERAL FUND TO THE AIRPORT FUND.
AND THEN I'M JUST CURIOUS, WHERE DOES, WHO ASSESSES THE VALUE OF THE PLANES? THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE DOES? OKAY.
AND I THINK THEY USE THIS, UH, A BLUE BOOK THAT'S AN AVIATION MM-HMM
UM, AND I GUESS TOO, AND I THINK I BROUGHT THAT UP LAST TIME, AS FAR AS IF WE TAKE IT OUT OF, UH, FUND BALANCE, WE DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE WHOLE THING OUT AT ONCE.
IT WOULD KIND OF BE AS NEEDED SO WE COULD BE STRETCHED OVER A PERIOD OF TIME.
AND IN ADDITION TO THAT QUESTION, THE QUESTION OF THE TIMELINE IS WE HAVE AN ENGINEER'S ESTIMATE, SO THE RECOMMENDATION IS TO NOT EXCEED $1.5 MILLION, BUT CURRENTLY WE DON'T KNOW EXACTLY HOW MUCH THAT BID IS GONNA COME IN AT.
SO THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE TO, ONCE THE BIDS COME IN TO THEN UPON AWARD ASSESS HOW MUCH MONEY IS REQUIRED, AND THEN FURTHER PROVIDE INSTRUCTION TO FINANCE AND MAYBE RUN THAT TIME WE'LL HAVE OUR AUDITS BACK TO RIGHT.
SO WE CAN, UH, FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WANNA DO WITH THAT FUND BALANCE SPECIFICALLY OR DEBT MANAGEMENT.
I THINK IT MAY HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE TOO.
IF WE DO THE, PUT THE MONEY OUT FOR THE HANGERS, CAN WE GET OVER A PERIOD OF TIME REIMBURSED BY THE AIRPORT AS IF WE'RE FUNDING IT AND THEY'RE PAYING THE, THE BILL? YES, ABSOLUTELY.
IF IT'S GOING TO BE AN INTER FUND OR, OR INTER FUND TRANSFER, THEN THE AIRPORT, ONCE IT'S IN THE BLACK, CAN BEGIN TO PAY THE GENERAL FUND.
AND THE ONLY OTHER THING TOO IS, UM, COUPLE THINGS ACTUALLY, AND IT WAS BROUGHT UP, I THINK LAST MEETING.
I THINK IN 2030 WE'RE GONNA BE RID OF LIKE 3 MILLION IN, IN UH, CORRECT.
SO AT THAT TIME, THAT FIRST YEAR, WE COULD TAKE THE MONEY AND REPLENISH THE FUND BALANCE.
AND ALONG THOSE OTHER LINES TOO, IS I THINK WITH THE FEES THAT YOU MENTIONED WITH THE ATTORNEYS, DAVENPORT, ET CETERA, IT'S PROBABLY, UM, I KNOW LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD, THERE'S GONNA BE OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO.
AND IE ONE IT, IT'S PROBABLY SOONER THAN LATER, BUT STILL DOWN THE ROAD WOULD BE AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL.
AND I'M JUST THINKING IF IT CAME DOWN TO THAT POINT, AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT'S BEEN DISCUSSED, YOU LUMP THE 1.5 INTO THAT AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO GET A BETTER INTEREST RATE AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO SAVE SOME ON THE FEES AND STUFF LIKE THAT SINCE THEY'RE DOING EVERYTHING ALTOGETHER.
SO I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE.
AGAIN, THAT'S DOWN THE ROAD, BUT THERE ARE WAYS TO DO IT TOO.
SO ANYWAY, MR. STEINER, I APPRECIATE YOU GIVING THE OPPORTUNITY.
ANYONE ELSE BEFORE A MOTION? IF NOT, IF YOU HAVE A MOTION.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE AIRPORT FUND SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATION NOT TO EXCEED ONE AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS WITHIN THE AIRPORT FUND FROM USE OF FUND BALANCE.
I FURTHER MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING DEPARTMENT TO ISSUE INVITATIONS FOR BIDS FOR THE BOX HANGER CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.
[D. Announcement - Rappahannock Electric Cooperative Substation Comprehensive Plan Compliance Review - 386 Ashby Station Road]
RIGHT.THESE, THE ANNOUNCEMENT HANOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE SUBSTATION COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLIANCE REVIEW FOR 3 86 ASHBY STATION ROAD.
AND I'M GONNA TURN THIS OVER TO YOU BECAUSE I KNOW YOU'VE HAD THE LAST CONVERSATION AND I WANNA MAKE SURE WE GET IT RIGHT.
WELL, AND I'M GONNA NEED SOME HELP ON THIS AND THIS WALL'S
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HERE.AND WE'RE GONNA, THIS IS CALLED TAG TEAM.
SO I WILL START THIS, UM, THIS IS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT FOR YOU TO TAKE A FORMALIZED VOTE SENDING THIS BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION OVER THIS SUBSTATION BY RAPPA HANOCK FOR THEM TO CONDUCT A PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, SINCE THAT TIME, UM, MS. WALL HAD A CON, UM, NOT A CONVERSATION, AN EMAIL FROM THE ATTORNEY, FROM RAPPA HANOCK.
AND I'M GONNA LET HER TAKE IT FROM THERE.
UM, SO RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC'S REPRESENTATIVE LOGAN BURNETT EMAILED ME THIS MORNING AT APPROXIMATELY NINE 20 REQUESTING THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE DEFERRED TO A LATER DATE TO PROVIDE RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC WITH ADDITIONAL TIME TO REACH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY AND ADDRESS THEIR QUESTIONS.
THEY HAVE NOT SET THAT DATE AS OF NOW, BUT THEY'RE REQUESTING FOR DEFERMENT OF THE PUBLIC HEARING, WHICH YOU GUYS COULD STILL MOVE FORWARD WITH THE MOTION TO REQUEST THE PLANNING COMMISSION HOLD IT.
BUT AT THIS TIME, WE DO NOT HAVE A PROSPECTIVE DATE IN MIND.
AND IF I, UH, REMEMBER CORRECTLY, AN APPLICANT CAN ASK FOR THAT EXTENSION AND IT'S USUALLY ON CORRECT.
I MEAN, THEY COULD THEORETICALLY WITHDRAW THEIR APPLICATION TOMORROW AND REAPPLY AT A DIFFERENT DATE.
UM, BUT YES, THEY CAN, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THEY CAN ASK FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO BE DEFERRED.
UH, I THINK THE INITIAL FROM, FROM BACKGROUND I GOT ON IT, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE A BUYRIGHT USE IN OR IT'S ALLOWABLE USE IN IN IN ANY ZONE.
I THINK IT'S A STATE CODE THING.
AND, UH, UH, PUBLIC I THINK IS JUST WANTING, UH, SOME PERCEPTION AND INFORMATION ON THAT.
I MEAN, THE PLANNING COMMISSION DOES HAVE TO WAIT FOR YOUR DIRECTION ON WHETHER TO HO TO HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING.
WELL, I, SO THIS IS JUST THAT FORMAL PROCESS TO ALLOW THAT.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT HAS TO BE THE VERY NEXT MEETING IF, IF ELECTRIC, UH, IN FAIRNESS SHOULD ALSO HAVE, UH, TIME TO DO THEIR RESEARCH TO, UH, PRESENT THE RIGHT AND BEST INFORMATION TO THE PUBLIC AT THAT, AT THAT TIME AS WELL.
EDUCATING THE PUBLIC IS ALWAYS A GOOD THING.
SO, UM, I JUST WANNA SAY, I, I, I'VE HEARD A LOT OF PEOPLE SAYING THIS IS BY RIGHT.
AND I, I CAN'T REALLY SEE HOW THAT FITS.
SO OUR ZONING, THE IDEA OF OF OF, I THINK BY RIGHT, OR AT LEAST HOW IT'S COMMONLY UNDERSTOOD, YOU'RE THE, THE PERSON WITH THE ATTACHED TO THE STATUTE, BUT IT JUST, WHEN SOMETHING'S BY RIGHT? PEOPLE THINK, WELL I CAN DO THIS AS LONG AS I MEET SOME CONDITIONS THAT EVERYBODY THAT ARE LIKE, SURE, OBJECTIVE, THEN I CAN JUST DO IT.
AND SO IN TWO SECTIONS OF OUR CODE, SO WARREN COUNTY CODE, UM, SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C WHERE IT'S ACTUALLY DEFINING WHAT A PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITY IS, DICTATES THAT IT'S ALLOWED BY RIGHT.
AND THEN IN A DIFFERENT SUBSECTION UNDER 180 DASH 10 E, UM, IT ALSO SAYS THAT PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITY SHALL BE PERMITTED IN ALL DISTRICTS.
AND THEN, UM, WHICH IT REFERS IT BACK TO VIRGINIA STATE CODE 15.2 DASH 2 2 3 2 FOR THE COMP PLAN REVIEW.
THERE'S ALSO A SECTION IN THE STATE CODE.
UM, AND THEN IT DICTATES WHAT A, ANY ENTITY WANTING TO INSTALL TRANSMISSION LINES AND OR SUBSTATIONS, ET CETERA.
IT GOES ON, THERE'S A VERY LARGE PARAGRAPH.
IT STATES THE PROCEDURE IN WHICH THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO FOLLOW AND THERE'S THREE DIFFERENT PROCEDURES THAT THEY CAN FOLLOW.
AND I THINK IT'S B TWO STATES THAT THEY FOLLOW 15.2 DASH 2 2 3 2, WHERE THEY GO TO THE LOCAL JURISDICTION TO FIND THAT IT'S IN ACCORD WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
THANK, THANK YOU FOR ALL THAT.
UM, I JUST THINK FROM, FROM A GENERAL PUBLIC'S POINT OF VIEW BY RIGHT, IT IS, IS IS CONFUSING.
SO YEAH, THAT SOUNDED LIKE A LOT OF STUFF, UM, STATUTES INVOLVED AND STEPS THEY HAVE TO DO AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, I MEAN I'M THE ADMINISTER OF OUR CODE AND I HAVE TO FOLLOW YEAH.
OUR CODE IN WHICH IT'S WRITTEN.
SO DOES IT SAY BY RIGHT? IT SAYS BY RIGHT.
WHERE, WHICH, WHERE IS IT? OKAY, SO 180 DASH EIGHT C AS IN CHARLIE DEFINES A PUBLIC UTILITY DISTRIBUTION FACILITY AS TELEPHONE LINES, CABLE LINES, FIBER OPTIC LINES, ELECTRICAL LINES CARRYING ELECTRICAL CURRENT NOT IN EXCESS OF THE MEDIUM VOLTAGE CLASS IS DEFINED BY ANSI C 84.1 AS AMENDED POLE SUPPORTING SUCH LINES, TRANSFORMERS, PIPES, METERS, AND OTHER SIMILAR FACILITIES AND FACILITIES.
ANCILLARY THERETO NECESSARY FOR THE DISTRIBUTION OF PUBLIC UTILITY SERVICES TO THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY SHALL BE PERMITTED IN ALL DISTRICTS.
SO SINCE THIS ONE IS TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS
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OF WARREN COUNTY, THEY DON'T HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS AS THEY WOULD IF IT WASN'T TO SERVE THE RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY AND THEN FURTHER ON.OKAY, SO BY, SO BY, RIGHT, YOU'RE SAYING IT BY RIGHT MEANS DON'T HAVE TO DO A CUP? YES.
THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF THE COMPLIANCE REVIEW WITH A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
OUR CODE FURTHER DICTATES THAT AS WELL.
UM, SO THEY FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE IN REQUESTING A COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLIANCE REVIEW.
AND IT'S AT THAT POINT THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAY HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING, BUT AT THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD MUST.
SO OUR CODE DICTATES SHALL, WHICH MEANS IT'S AN ABSOLUTE NECESSITY IF YOU GUYS GOTCHA.
VOTE BY MAJORITY IT DOES HAVE TO BE A MAJORITY VOTE.
AND I DID SPEAK WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION CHAIR ROBERT MYERS EARLIER TODAY, AND HE'S OKAY WITH YOU GUYS SENDING IT BACK.
AND I WILL SHARE, UM, I, MARK ROCKEFELLER WHO WAS HERE AND I'VE TALKED WITH AGAIN TODAY.
I THINK I WILL BE RECEIVING, UM, SOMETHING IN WRITING, CHALLENGING THE BY RIGHT PIECE THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT, UM, DR.
JAMAS SAID, WHICH I'LL THEN FORWARD ON TO OUR ATTORNEY.
WE DID RECEIVE THAT JUST A FEW MOMENTS AGO.
UM, AND I HAVE FORWARDED THAT ON TO YOU.
UM, BUT I BELIEVE IT SHOULD BE IN ALL OF YOUR INBOXES AS WELL.
BUT WE WILL DEFER TO THE COUNTY ATTORNEY ON THAT ONE.
I JUST HAD ONE THING MAYBE, I DON'T KNOW, AND MAYBE YOU ALREADY TOUCHED ON IT, BUT I KNOW WE'RE GONNA SEND IT BACK AFTER WE MAKE THE MOTION TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR A PUBLIC HEARING.
DO WE HAVE AN IDEA OF THE DATE? IS IT GONNA BE, I KNOW YOU GOTTA ADVERTISE AND DO ALL THOSE THINGS.
SO I HAVE TO HAVE AT LEAST 15 DAYS TO ADVERTISE LEGALLY.
UM, WE HAD ACTUALLY RAN THE AD BASED ON LAST WEDNESDAY NIGHT WHEN YOU GUYS HAD, UM, SUGGESTED THAT IT GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
WE RAN, WE GOT WITH NORTHERN VIRGINIA DAILY, WE REVISED OUR PLANNING COMMISSION AD TO INCLUDE THEM TO GET THIS PUBLIC HEARING GOING.
SO THEY RAN THE FIRST AD THIS MORNING.
UM, BUT WHEN THEY RERUN IT AGAIN ON MAY 5TH FOR THE SECOND RUN, THEY WILL INCLUDE THAT, THAT PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ONE HAS BEEN POSTPONED.
BUT I NEED AT LEAST, UM, I MEAN IT'S, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO MEET OUR PLANNING COMMISSION DEADLINES, WHICH IS USUALLY TWO WEEKS PRIOR TO OUR PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING.
UM, SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY CAN EMAIL ME TOMORROW AND RIGHT.
NOW I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY, FOLLOW THE PROCEDURE BECAUSE, UM, I HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, EMAILS MM-HMM
FROM PEOPLE AND BEST LAID PLANS, I GUESS.
BUT I TRIED, I TOLD 'EM IN MY UNDERSTANDING, AND I GUESS IT, WELL, SOMEWHAT OF AN ERROR ON MY PART, I TOLD 'EM TO, UH, THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING WOULD BE MAY 13TH, WHICH I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE HAD PLANNED ON THAT WAS THE ORIGINAL PLAN.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND AND I WILL GO BACK TO SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT I TOLD THAT TO AND TRY TO TELL 'EM, JUST KEEP AN EYE OPEN.
AND I, I KNOW MR. ROCKEFELLER, I THINK HE REPRESENTS A LOT OF THOSE PEOPLE AND OBVIOUSLY HE KNOWS, SO WE JUST WANNA PUT THE WORD OUT 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT PEOPLE SHOWING UP MAY 13TH THINKING IT'S GONNA BE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE WE PUT THAT OUT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
WE'RE GONNA BE MAKING AN ANNOUNCEMENT ON OUR WEBPAGE, UM, FOR THAT.
AND I THINK WE EVEN TALKED ABOUT A FACEBOOK POST IF THERE'S THE ABILITY TO DO THAT AS WELL.
UM, I WANT TO MAKE IT VERY CLEAR THAT IT IS FOR THAT VERY SPECIFIC PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS MULTIPLE OTHER PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT NIGHT.
AND I DON'T WANT ALL OF THE PUBLIC AND THE APPLICANTS TO GET CONFUSED.
'CAUSE THERE ARE A FEW OTHER ITEMS ON THAT AGENDA.
SO THAT AGENDA SPECIFICALLY, THE ONLY THING BEING POSTPONED IS THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN COMPLIANCE REVIEW FOR RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC SUBSTATION.
AND I HAVEN'T ANSWERED THOSE EMAILS 'CAUSE I WAS WAITING FOR THIS MEETING.
UM, SO WHEN I ANSWER 'EM, I CAN PUT THAT IN THERE AS WELL.
AND MS. BRUNETTE, THE ATTORNEY WITH RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC IS IN RECEIPT OF THE QUESTIONS FROM MR. ROCKEFELLER AND A ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, UM, I CAN PROVIDE HER WITH ALL OF THE EMAILS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL.
UH, BUT SHE, SHE DID REQUEST ADDITIONAL TIME TO ADDRESS THAT AND THEN GET WITH THE COMMUNITY AND, AND DO SOME OUTREACH.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE.
UM, IT WAS JUST A REQUEST VIA EMAIL.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU.
SO WE NEED, UM, I'VE, WE'VE HAD CONVERSATIONS.
WHAT ARE WE DEFERRING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OR INDEFINITELY? I'D SAY YOU DEFER IT UNTIL, UH, REC IS READY.
WELL, THERE, THERE'S A SUGGESTED MOTION HERE.
UM, IT DOESN'T REALLY SPECIFY A DATE, BUT I THINK THAT'S OKAY GIVEN THAT THAT'S UP IN, UP IN THE AIR.
NO, I'D SAY WE JUST SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND LET THEM CHOOSE THE DATE WHEN THEY'RE READY.
IT JUST SAYS A DULY NOTED FAULT.
THE HEARING DOESN'T GIVE A TIME CONSTRAINT SO THEY CAN SO IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE PLANNING, UH, FOLLOW QUESTION.
THAT'S AN OLD WAY TO SAY THAT.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECTS THE PLAN OF COMMISSION TO CONDUCT A DULY NOTED PUBLIC HEARING REGARDING THE PROPOSED ELECTRIC SUBSTATION AT 3 8 6 A B STATION ROAD
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AND ITS CONSISTENCY WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.AND LAST IS MOTION TO ADJOURN.