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          [C. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America ]
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          GOOD AFTERNOON EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE JUNE 2ND, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING. 
          AND DEPUTY BO, IF YOU, I FORGET WHAT YOUR RANK IS. 
          I'D HATE TO JUST SAY, DEPUTY, IF YOU WOULD, UM, DO US THE PLEASURE OF A PRAYER, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          AND WHAT IS YOUR RANK SO I CAN GET IT? SERGEANT. 
          SERGEANT. 
          SERGEANT VOS, THEN GLAD TO HAVE YOU HERE TODAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO, READING SCRIPTURE OF PSALMS 1 21, 1 THROUGH TWO. 
          IT SAYS, I LIFTED MY EYES TO THE MOUNTAINS. 
          AND WHERE DOES MY HELP COME FROM? MY HELP COMES FROM THE LORD IN MAKER OF HEAVEN AND EARTH. 
          LET US PRAY. 
          HEAVEN. 
          FATHER, I THANK YOU FOR EACH PERSON GATHERING HERE THIS MORNING. 
          THANK YOU FOR THE CALLING ON EACH ONE AS THEY COME TOGETHER TO FULFILL THE RESPONSIBILITIES AND THE DUTIES SET FOR THEM. 
          FATHER, I PRAY THAT YOU WOULD LOOK GRACELY AND GRANT THIS COUNSEL THE WISDOM TO GOVERN THE ISSUES THEY DEAL WITH ON A DAILY BASIS. 
          FATHER, I PRAY YOU REVEAL TO THEM A TRUE SENSE FOR THE NEEDS OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          I PRAY FOR THEIR ABILITY TO DETERMINE WHAT IS GOOD AND FITTING. 
          AND I ASK FOR THE ABILITY, LORD FOR THE GOOD. 
          AND EVEN WHEN THEY DISAGREE, LORD, THAT THEY COME TOGETHER IN AGREEANCE. 
          FATHER GOD, I PRAY FOR THE AGENDA SET BEFORE THEM THIS, THIS MORNING, AND FATHER, THAT IT WILL BENEFIT THOSE THAT WORK AND LIVE IN THIS GREAT COMMUNITY. 
          FATHER GOD, I ASK FOR PROTECTION OVER EACH ONE, OVER OUR COMMUNITY AND OUR COUNTRY. 
          FATHER, I GIVE YOU PRAISE AND HONOR AND GLORY FOR ALL. 
          AND IT'S IN JESUS NAME I PRAY. 
          AMEN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY FAVOR? WOULD STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? PLEASE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. 
          ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, LIBERTY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. 
          [D. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions ]
ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? I'D LIKE TO MAKE, UH, A MODIFICATION ITEM M I'D LIKE TO CHANGE THAT FROM NEW BUSINESS TO CLOSED SESSION. 
          MOVE TO APPROVE THE AGENDA AS AMENDED. 
          IS THERE SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. HENRY AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND FIRST ON THE AGENDA 
          [E. Presentation - Virginia Department of Transportation (VDOT) ]
IS PRESENTATION FROM VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION. 
          MR. CARTER. 
          THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR. 
          GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          C DOCKS REPORT FOR THIS MONTH, UM, AND FOR MAY AND FOR JUNE, WE HAVE COMPLETED MOWING ALL OF OUR PRIMARIES AND 60% OF OUR SECONDARIES FOR OUR FIRST ROUND. 
          AND WE'RE SCHEDULED TO COMPLETE ALL OF OUR MOWING BY THE 15TH OF THIS MONTH, WHICH IS A LITTLE EARLIER THAN USUAL, SO WE'RE GLAD FOR THAT. 
          UH, WE'VE CLEANED OUT STORMWATER BASINS ON THE QUADRANT AT 55 3 45 22. 
          WE COMPLETED OUR SPRING DRY RUNS ON OUR WINTER WEATHER EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS GOING OVER EVERYTHING AFTER THE WINTER SEASON AND PUTTING UP, UH, UH, TURNING WHATEVER NEEDS TO BE FIXED INTO THE SHOP SO WE CAN HAVE IT READY TO GO AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          WE REPAIRED UNPAVED ROADS AND CLEANED UP A BRUSH AFTER SEVERAL THUNDERSTORMS THAT WE'VE HAD. 
          AND, UM, WE WILL ALSO CONTINUE GRADING OPERATIONS AND REPAIRS ALONG WITH REPAIRS OF A STREAM BANK ON 6 26 SPEED LANE. 
          AS A RESULT OF THE, THE WEATHER, UH, WE PLANT A PIPE REPLACEMENT ON SIX 10 BUCKS MILL ROAD. 
          OUR PAVING CREW, WE HAVE OUR OWN PAVING CREW NOW DURING THE SUMMER, WE LEASE A PAVER AND WE'RE SHARING IT AMONGST ALL OF THE AREA HEADQUARTERS, UH, TO DO A LOT OF OUR PATCHING AND THINGS. 
          UH, THEY'RE GONNA BE MAKING REPAIRS ON 6 61 FAIRGROUNDS ROAD 
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AND 6 24 MORGANS FORD ROAD. 
          SOME THINGS THAT THE BOARD, UH, AS HAVE RECEIVED COMPLAINTS ON, UH, WE HAVE MET, UH, OUT AT, UH, CAT MOUNTAIN ROAD IN RIVERMONT. 
          AND, UH, WE HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE TO, UH, TRY AND ADDRESS THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ARE OUT THERE. 
          UH, WE WILL BE PAINTING THE THOMPSON HOLLOW. 
          I KNOW THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAS BEEN ANXIOUS FOR US TO GET THAT, THOSE EXTRA STRIPES IN UP THERE. 
          AND THAT IS SCHEDULED TO BE DONE BY THE END OF THIS WEEK. 
          ALSO NOT ON YOUR, UH, REPORT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO BE REMARKING THE INTERSECTION OF GUARD HILL ROAD AND 3 45 22. 
          THERE'S GONNA BE SOME MORE DEFINITIVE LAYOUT FOR THE TRAFFIC TO ADDRESS COMING OUT OF THAT INTERSECTION. 
          AND THEN WE'RE ALSO GOING, UH, WE HAVE FUNDS TO GO AHEAD AND HARD SURFACE THE PART OF ROCKY HOLLOW THAT WE SPENT ALL THE MONEY ON TO RESTORE. 
          SO WE'RE GONNA GO AHEAD SINCE IT'S, IT'S READY TO GO AND HARD SURFACE THAT PORTION OF IT. 
          NOW, ARE THERE ANY OTHER ISSUES THE BOARD WOULD LIKE FOR ME TO ADDRESS? AND YOU MAY HAVE ALREADY ME MENTIONED THIS, BUT I KNOW ON 55 THE, THE UPGRADE TO THE TURN LANE. 
          YEAH. 
          IT, THAT'S ON SCHEDULE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THEN WHAT WA WHAT WAS THE COMPLETION DATE? YEAH, WELL, IT'S SCHEDULED TO BE ADVERTISED IN 2028 AND, AND CONSTRUCTION BEGAN IN 2028. 
          AND THEN HOW LONG DO THEY EXPECT IT TO? UH, I DON'T. 
          OKAY. 
          I DON'T HAVE THAT. 
          I CAN THAT FOR YOU. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AND THAT'S THE THING TOO. 
          I KNOW THAT, UH, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE I GUESS, DRILLING SOIL SAMPLES OR WHATEVER, AND I THINK, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE BEEN VERY, UM, AWARE, I DUNNO IF YOU KNEW IT OR NOT, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF TRAFFIC ON 55, BUT AT LEAST THEY'VE BEEN DOING IT IN NON-PEAK HOURS AND THEY'RE STILL A LITTLE BIT OF BACKUP, BUT IT'S MO MOVING SMOOTHLY. 
          AND WE TALKED ABOUT THIS SOON, JUST FOR CLARIFICATION AND FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW, UH, I NOTICED THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF, UM, ASPHALT AND DOUBLE LINES ON THE WHITE LINES AND WHATEVER LIKE THAT. 
          AND YOU TOLD ME THAT, THAT BASICALLY THEY WERE SEALING THE, THE BLACKS, THE BLACK, IT LOOKS LIKE THEY FOLLOWED SNAKES ALL OVER. 
          YEAH, THAT'S CALLED CRACK SEALING. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT THEY DO IS THEY SEAL ALL THE CRACKS ON THE ROAD BECAUSE THEY'RE GETTING READY TO RESURFACE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME ON THAT, IF YOU KNOW BY HAND? I, IT'D BE THIS SUMMER, BUT I, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO PUT YOU ON THE SPOT. 
          I WAS JUST KIND OF CURIOUS. 
          NO, THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S WHERE I BELONG, . 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANYONE ELSE? MR. STAN MEYER? YEAH, ACTUALLY, I DID HAVE A QUESTION AFTER ALL. 
          UM, YOU MENTIONED THE REPAIRS COMING UP ON FAIRGROUND IN MORGAN FORD. 
          UH, COINCIDENTALLY I WAS RECENTLY FIELDING A CONSTITUENT QUESTION ABOUT THAT WAS GETTING READY TO GO OUT THERE AND INSPECT IT MYSELF BEFORE I, UH, CAME TO YOU. 
          BUT COULD YOU JUST GIMME A FLAVOR FOR WHAT, UH, MORE, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON THAT REPAIR THAT'S COMING UP? YEAH. 
          WELL, WE, WE'LL BE TAKING OUR PAVING MACHINE OUT THERE AND INSTEAD OF PATCHING EVERY LITTLE SPOT HERE, WE MIGHT BE PATCHING AN ENTIRE STRIP OUT THERE. 
          NOT THE WHOLE, I MEAN, WE BE REDOING THE WHOLE ROAD, BUT WHERE WE HAVE THE WORST SPOTS THAT ARE CLOSE TOGETHER INSTEAD OF, UH, IN THE PAST WE'VE HAD TO GO OUT. 
          EITHER THAT OR WE HAD TO TAKE A GRATER OUT AND SPREAD THE ASPHALT WITH A GRATER. 
          AND, AND WHILE THAT'S, IT'S OKAY, IT'S HARD TO DO, UH, BUT WITH A PAVING MACHINE, THEY CAN GO OUT THERE AND PUT A NICE SMOOTH PATCH DOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENRY, YOU HAVE ANYTHING? I JUST HAVE A COUPLE, UM, THE PIPE AT THAT, UH, HOME THAT WE VISITED LAST SUMMER, UH, IN THE MIDDLE OF BENTONVILLE THAT NEEDS A PIPE AT THE DRIVEWAY AND THE PIECE OF SIDEWALKS IS THERE. 
          IT'S 2 88 BENTONVILLE ROAD. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE, THEY, THEY KNOW THEY NEED TO BUY THE PIPE AND THE VDOT WILL PUT IT IN. 
          THEY JUST NEED SOMEONE FROM VDOT TO TELL THEM WHAT SIZE PIPE THEY NEED TO GET THERE SO THEY CAN GO AHEAD AND TAKE CARE OF THAT. 
          IF, IF YOU CAN TEXT ME A CONTACT OR, OR TEXT ROGER CONTACT. 
          OKAY. 
          HE'LL GET IN TOUCH WITH US. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS ONE, UM, I KNOW I GOT, UM, MATT SMITH SENT ME AN EMAIL THAT THEY WERE GONNA GO OUT TO THE SUBDIVISION OFF BROWNTOWN ROAD THAT WAS INTERESTED IN, UM, SEEING IF THEY COULD, WHAT THEY NEEDED TO DO TO GET INTO THIS, UH, VDOT SYSTEM WITH THEIR PRIVATE ROAD. 
          DID, HAS THAT HAPPENED? I JUST, I HADN'T HEARD FROM ANYONE SINCE I, I, 
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I HAVEN'T HEARD, BUT OKAY. 
          ONCE WE GET THE REQUEST, OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT FOLKS, UH, WILL COME, WE'LL MEET WITH THEM OUT THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, I'M, I, I DON'T KNOW THE PARTICULAR ROAD, WHAT KIND OF SHAPE IT'S IN, BUT GENERALLY WHAT WE FIND IT BECOMES COST PROHIBITIVE FOR. 
          AND I HAVEN'T HEARD ANYTHING BACK FROM ANYBODY, SO I JUST WASN'T SURE. 
          UM, LET'S SEE. 
          THEN I HAD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE CALL ME, UM, JENNINGS LANE AND POINT ROAD THAT AFTER THE RAINS THAT IT'S GOTTEN KIND OF SLOPPY AND THEY WERE WONDERING IF THEY COULD GET GRAVEL. 
          SO THOSE WERE TWO. 
          AND, UM, THEN I, WE PASSED, UM, AT OUR LAST MEETING ON HICKORY, THE EASEMENT TO COME OFF OF, UM, ONTO BROWNTOWN ROAD FROM HICKORY HILL. 
          AND JUST WONDERING THE QUESTION, WAS THE SITE DISTANCE THERE AND IF SOMEBODY COULD GET BACK SO I COULD ANSWER THEM ON WHAT VDOT SAID ABOUT SITE DISTANCE, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS, I'M, MY, MY MEMORY'S FAILING ME. 
          THIS  HICKORY LANE. 
          HICKORY HILL ROAD. 
          HICKORY HILL ROAD. 
          YEAH. 
          COMES OFF OF BROWNTOWN ROAD. 
          I JUST, I COULDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, SO I SAID I WOULD FIND OUT. 
          AND WAS THE QUESTION WAS THEY, THEY DON'T DISTANCE SITE DISTANCE NOW, RIGHT? THAT WHAT THE  YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          I, THEY INDICATED THAT  ENTRANCES ARE USED. 
          ONE THAT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT, BUT I SAID I WOULD ASK. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, AND I TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THE OTHER COUPLE OF THINGS, SO I THINK THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD. 
          UM, ONCE AGAIN, APPRECIATE THE, THE MOWING I KNOW IN MY AREA. 
          IT LOOKS PRETTY GOOD. 
          SO GOOD. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          THEY'VE, UM, GOT BACK A LOT FURTHER THAN THEY THOUGHT THEY WERE IN A COUPLE PLACES, AND THEY'RE BRAVER THAN I AM, GETTING ALL THESE SLOPES , BUT APPRECIATE ALL THEY DO. 
          AND I GUESS NO ONE ELSE. 
          SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, NEXT IS, 
          [F. Report - Virginia Cooperative Extension  ]
UH, MS. PUFF VIRGINIA COOPERATION COOPERATIVE EXTENSION. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          GOOD TO SEE YOU. 
          UH, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          THANK YOU ALL FOR HAVING ME. 
          UM, HAPPY TO BE HERE. 
          AND, UH, JUST KIND OF AS A REMINDER, YOU GET OUR ANNUAL REPORT FROM ALL THE AGENTS THAT, UM, WORK IN, OR THEY'RE HOUSED IN OTHER COUNTIES, BUT THEY SERVE WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, AND YOU GET QUARTERLY REPORTS FROM US ALSO. 
          BUT AT THESE, UH, IN-PERSON QUARTERLY MEETINGS, WE TRY TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT A PARTICULAR PROGRAM AREA. 
          LAST TIME YOU HEARD FROM THE AGRICULTURE AGENTS ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH AGRICULTURE. 
          TODAY I'M GONNA TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH VALLEY FINANCIAL EDUCATION PROGRAM, WHICH IS WHAT I OVERSEE. 
          MY WHOLE ROLE IS FAMILY ECONOMICS AND STRENGTHENING PERSONAL FINANCES THROUGH EDUCATION. 
          SO, UM, THE ANNUAL REPORT IS IN YOUR PACKET FOR 2025, AND THAT IS NOT A COMPREHENSIVE REPORT. 
          EACH YEAR I JUST TRY TO PICK OUT A FEW PROGRAMS TO HIGHLIGHT, TO SHOW PEOPLE WHAT THE IMPACTS OF WHAT WE ARE DOING, UM, IS ALL ABOUT. 
          SO, UM, AND THERE ARE EXTRA COPIES FOR THE PUBLIC OVER ON THE TABLE WHERE THE AGENDA IS. 
          IF ANYBODY WANTS A HARD COPY OF THAT, YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE THOSE. 
          UM, SO A COUPLE OF THE PROGRAMS THAT I WANTED TO SHARE TODAY, ONE IS CALLED RECOVERING YOUR FINANCES. 
          IT'S A FAIRLY NEW PROGRAM. 
          WE'VE ONLY BEEN DOING IT FOR MAYBE A YEAR AND A HALF. 
          AND IT IS, UH, EIGHT SESSION FINANCIAL EDUCATION SERIES COVERING NORMAL THINGS YOU WOULD THINK ABOUT BUDGETING, CREDIT, UH, BANKING, GETTING OUT OF DEBT, THOSE KINDS OF THINGS. 
          BUT IT'S SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE IN RECOVERY BECAUSE FINANCIAL SITUATIONS ARE, UM, OFTEN WHAT TRIGGERS A RELAPSE. 
          SO IF WE CAN HELP THEM IMPROVE THE QUALITY OF THEIR FINANCES AND THE STABILITY OF THEIR FINANCES, THEN IT MAKES THEM LESS LIKELY TO RELAPSE. 
          SO, UM, AS OF NOW, ALL THE RECOVERY COURTS IN THE REGION ARE REQUIRING THEIR PARTICIPANTS TO TAKE THIS EIGHT LESSON SERIES THAT I TEACH, UM, PERIODICALLY. 
          AND, UM, SO I CAN TELL YOU ABOUT THE 2025 IMPACTS. 
          OF COURSE, WE'RE HALFWAY THROUGH 2026, BUT I WON'T HAVE THOSE RESULTS TILL THE END OF 2026. 
          BUT IN 2025, WE REACHED 45 PEOPLE AND, UM, HAD REALLY GOOD RESULTS, UH, BETWEEN 67 AND 86%, UM, INDICATED THAT THEIR KNOWLEDGE HAD IMPROVED ON THE DIFFERENT TOPICS, BUDGETING, CREDIT AND SO FORTH. 
          SO THEY'RE DEFINITELY 
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LEARNING SOMETHING FROM THE CLASSES. 
          AND THEN WE DO A FOLLOW-UP SURVEY. 
          OF COURSE, THEY DON'T ALL RESPOND TO THAT, BUT OF THE PEOPLE WHO RESPONDED A HUNDRED PERCENT SAID THAT THEIR CONFIDENCE WAS INCREASED IN MANAGING THEIR PERSONAL FINANCES. 
          AND I REALLY WAS IMPRESSED WITH THIS ONE. 
          67% HAD REDUCED THEIR DEBT, AND THAT WAS A SIX MONTH FOLLOW UP SURVEY. 
          SO, UM, THE CLASSES ARE REALLY HELPING THEM TO IMPROVE THEIR FINANCES. 
          AND ONE PERSON SAID, I HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF CREDIT AND HAVE MADE MANY IMPROVEMENTS TO MY FINANCES. 
          THEN A SECOND PROGRAM TO HIGHLIGHT IS, UM, SOME FINANCIAL MENTORING THAT WE'RE DOING IN COOPERATION WITH THE WARREN COALITION. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THEIR BOOST PROGRAM, BUT THEY GOT A GRANT, UH, TO HELP HOMELESS FAMILIES AND THEY PAY HALF OF THEIR HOUSING, UH, WHICH TYPICALLY IS IN, UM, HOTELS. 
          THEY, THEY AREN'T EVEN IN APARTMENTS YET. 
          THEY'RE ACTUALLY HOMELESS. 
          BUT STAYING IN HOTELS AND THE, UM, COALITION PAYS HALF THE RENT. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE CRITERIA THAT THEY HAVE TO MEET, SUCH AS SEEKING BETTER EMPLOYMENT, UM, CONTACTING CENTRALIZED INTAKE TO GET BETTER HOUSING OR HOUSING ASSISTANCE, CONTACTING SOCIAL SERVICES FOR ASSISTANCE THERE. 
          ONE OF THE CRITERIA IS FINANCIAL MENTORING. 
          SO I HAVE FOUR VOLUNTEERS WHO ARE WORKING WITH INDIVIDUALS AND FAMILIES WHO ARE IN THAT PROGRAM, AND THEY MEET ONCE, ONCE A WEEK PROBABLY, OR EVERY OTHER WEEK WITH THOSE PEOPLE TO HELP THEM LEARN HOW TO BUDGET EFFECTIVELY, IMPROVE THEIR CREDIT SCORES, UM, SAVE MONEY AND BE PREPARED TO BE ABLE TO GET INTO HOUSING AND MAINTAIN IT, MAINTAIN THAT FINANCIAL STABILITY. 
          SO I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY, UH, RESULTS YET TO SHARE ON THAT, BUT, UM, IT IS, IT IS ONGOING AND WE'RE HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO PARTNER WITH THAT PROGRAM. 
          ANOTHER ONE YOU'VE HEARD ABOUT BEFORE IS OUR REALITY STORE PROGRAMS, BUT I WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT IT PARTICULARLY BECAUSE WE HAD BEEN DOING THIS IN THE PAST IN WARREN COUNTY AND, UM, HAVE KIND OF, WE LOST OUR CONTACTS IN THE SCHOOLS. 
          PEOPLE RETIRED AND MOVED ON AND, UM, HAVE NOT GOTTEN BACK IN. 
          SO I JUST WANT YOU TO SEE, YOU KNOW, WHAT POSSIBILITIES ARE HERE FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, IN 2025, WE HAD ALMOST 600 STUDENTS PARTICIPATE AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL. 
          AND WHAT THEY DO, THEY GET A JOB, THEY GET A SALARY, THEY GET A FAMILY SITUATION. 
          SO THEY MIGHT BE MARRIED, THEY MIGHT BE SINGLE OR DIVORCED, AND THEY HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF, OF CHILDREN. 
          SO WE ASSIGN THAT BASED ON THE THINGS THAT THEY, UM, THEY TELL US THEY WOULD LIKE, HOW THEY WOULD LIKE THEIR LIFE TO BE IN THE FUTURE. 
          SO IT IS A CAREER THAT THEY'RE LOOKING TOWARD AND THEY, IN THE SIMULATION, THEY GO AROUND THE ROOM TO DIFFERENT STATIONS AND THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE THEIR HOUSING FOR THEIR FAMILY. 
          THEY HAVE TO PURCHASE FOOD FOR THEIR FAMILY CLOTHING AND ALL THOSE THINGS, GET THEIR FAMILY'S NEEDS MET AND TRY TO DO IT WHILE STAYING IN THE BLACK AND NOT GOING INTO DEBT. 
          SO THAT'S A GREAT EXPERIENCE FOR THEM. 
          UM, IN 20 25, 90 2% INCREASED THEIR AWARENESS OF SMART FINANCIAL DECISION MAKING AND 95%, UH, UNDERSTOOD HOW HAVING INSURANCE AND A SAVINGS ACCOUNT CAN HELP THEM PREPARE FOR EMERGENCIES. 
          UM, AND WE OFTEN HEAR STUDENTS SAY, I NEED TO GO HOME AND THANK MY PARENTS. 
          'CAUSE THEY START UNDERSTANDING WHAT IT'S LIKE IN THE REAL WORLD TO HAVE TO MANAGE A FAMILY BUDGET. 
          UM, AND ONE STUDENT SAID, THIS YEAR I LEARNED THAT EVERYTHING IN LIFE ISN'T FREE. 
          SO , I THOUGHT THAT WAS GREAT. 
          UH, WE ALSO HAVE EIGHTH GRADE AND THIRD GRADE LEVELS OF THAT. 
          SO IF ANYBODY OR ANYBODY IN THE AUDIENCE KNOWS OF SCHOOLS THAT WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HAVING A SIMILAR PROGRAM ARE HAPPY TO DO THAT AND WOULD LOVE SOME MORE CONTACTS IN THAT. 
          THEN THE LAST ONE TO HIGHLIGHT IS THE PUBLIC SERVICE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS PROGRAM. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT IT IS A PROGRAM WHERE, UH, PEOPLE WHO WERE EMPLOYED IN PUBLIC SERVICE, WHICH COULD BE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, COULD BE NONPROFITS, COULD BE THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, ARE ABLE TO GET PART OF THEIR STUDENT LOANS FORGIVEN. 
          AND IT'S TO ENTICE PEOPLE TO GO INTO PUBLIC SERVICE BECAUSE OF COURSE, ALL OF US COULD MAKE MORE MONEY IF WE WENT INTO THE PRIVATE SECTOR. 
          SO, UM, THE WAY THE PROGRAM WORKS IS THEY DO AN INCOME DRIVEN REPAYMENT PLAN, AND AFTER THEY'VE MADE 120 ON TIME PAYMENTS, THE REMAINDER OF THE DEBT IS FORGIVEN. 
          SO IN 2022, UM, THEY, UM, EXPANDED THE ELIGIBILITY AND, UM, INCREASED THE, UM, OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT PROGRAM. 
          AND SO WHY AM I TALKING ABOUT 2022? JUST BECAUSE WE DID A FOLLOW UP SURVEY, AND THAT'S WHAT I WANNA TELL YOU ABOUT, BECAUSE FOR SOMETHING LIKE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS, I COULDN'T HAVE TOLD YOU AT THE END OF 2022 WHAT HAPPENED BECAUSE IT TAKES 
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TIME TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AND MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS AND SUCH. 
          UM, SO WE DID A WEBINAR IN 2022, UH, TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          AND WE HAD 42, UH, PEOPLE PARTICIPATE REAL TIME. 
          WE DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARTICIPATED THROUGH RECORDINGS, BUT THERE WERE, THERE WAS A RECORDING ALSO. 
          AND THEN WE DID THE FOLLOW-UP SURVEY. 
          SEVERAL YEARS LATER, SEVEN PARTICIPANTS WHO COMPLETED THE FOLLOW-UP SURVEY HAD RECEIVED A COMBINED $390,000 IN STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS. 
          SO THAT PROGRAM MADE A HUGE IMPACT ON THOSE PEOPLE'S LIVES. 
          UM, AT LEAST ONE PERSON WAS FROM WARREN COUNTY SINCE IT WAS A WEBINAR. 
          I CAN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY FROM WARREN COUNTY, BUT AT LEAST ONE PERSON CONTACTED ME INDIVIDUALLY AFTERWARDS FOR ASSISTANCE IN, YOU KNOW, TAKING THE ACTION. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT PERSON WAS IN THE GROUP OF SEVEN WHO FOLLOWED UP, 'CAUSE THOSE SURVEYS WERE ANONYMOUS. 
          BUT, UM, IT DEFINITELY IMPACTED CITIZENS IN WARREN COUNTY COUNTY AS WELL. 
          UM, AND ONE PERSON SAID THE OUTCOME WAS LIFE CHANGING BECAUSE THEY HAD A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS WORTH OF STUDENT LOAN DEBT FORGIVEN. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE RELATED TO FINANCIAL EDUCATION, AND I'M EXCITED TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT. 
          WE HAVE SOME THINGS, UH, COMING UP, HOPEFULLY FOR COUNTY EMPLOYEES. 
          ONE OF THE ONES WE'VE BEEN TRYING TO ARRANGE AS A MONEY MANAGEMENT CLINIC, WHICH IS JUST A ONE HOUR, UM, HOW TO MANAGE YOUR MONEY MORE EFFECTIVELY. 
          AND, UH, WE WERE WORKING ON GETTING THAT SCHEDULE. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN ACCOMMODATE, UM, THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AND FIRE AND RESCUE THE PEOPLE WITH, WITH 24 HOUR SCHEDULES SO THAT WE CAN HAVE SOMETHING DURING EACH SHIFT SO THAT EVERY COUNTY EMPLOYEE CAN BE, UM, YOU KNOW, OFFERED THAT OPPORTUNITY. 
          SO HOPEFULLY THAT WILL BE COMING UP SOON. 
          AND THEN, UM, SINCE THAT PUBLIC SERVICE STUDENT LOAN FORGIVENESS WEBINAR WAS SO, UM, EFFECTIVE, I'D LIKE TO DO ANOTHER SIMILAR ONE IN THE FALL FOR SPECIFICALLY FOR PUBLIC EMPLOYEES, COUNTY GOVERNMENT, UM, NONPROFITS, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A WONDERFUL WAY FOR THEM TO GET SOME BENEFIT FOR DEVOTING THEIR LIVES TO SERVING THE PUBLIC. 
          DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS? THE ONLY ONE I HAVE, AND IT'S NOT ON FINANCES MM-HMM . 
          UM, I MISSED YOUR WATER, UM, WHERE YOU TEST WATER. 
          YES. 
          AND, UM, IF, IF YOU COULD GIVE ME THAT INFORMATION, UM, I'D LOVE TO BE ABLE TO GET THAT OUT BECAUSE I WOULD, I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE, I SAW THE SIGNS AND IT WAS TOO LATE BY THE TIME I SAW 'EM. 
          SO ANYTHING LIKE THAT, JUST LET ME KNOW AND WE'LL GET YOU ON THE AGENDA TO COME BACK SO WE CAN GET THOSE THINGS OUT. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          I THINK IT WAS ON THE COUNTY WEBSITE. 
          YEAH, BUT I DON'T, IF, I DON'T KNOW IF IT WENT OUT BY EMAIL TO EVERYBODY OR NOT. 
          'CAUSE I DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO THAT LIST. 
          YEAH. 
          SO, UM, BUT WE WILL BE SURE TO MAKE SURE IT'S, IT'S, IT, I APPRECIATE GOTTEN TO EVERYBODY NEXT TIME. 
          THANK YOU SO MUCH. 
          I'M ONE OF THOSE, I'M NOT THAT TECH SAVVY. 
          I DON'T GET ON ALL THOSE, BUT, UM, ANY ANYWAY WE CAN GET THAT KINDA INFORMATION OUT. 
          THE SERVICES THAT YOU DO PROVIDE, I'LL BE HAPPY TO TRY TO HELP WITH THAT. 
          SURE. 
          THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND UP NEXT 
          [G. Update - Chester Gap VFD ]
IS THE UPDATE ON CHESTER GAP, DR. MARTIN MADAM CHAIR AND THE BOARD. 
          I AM, IT IS AN HONOR AND A PRIVILEGE FOR ME TODAY TO INTRODUCE, UH, MR. TODD BROWN, WHO IS THE CHIEF OF THE CHESTER GAP, UH, FOLLOWER FIRE COMPANY. 
          HE IS HERE TODAY. 
          HE'S GONNA MAKE A FEW BRIEF COMMENTS AND WHILE HE STEPS THROUGH THE PODIUM, UM, JERRY IS GOING TO COME UP. 
          WE HAVE BEEN DOING SOME WORK, UM, UH, I JUST, LET ME SAY THIS ABOUT TODD AND KEVIN. 
          KEVIN IS THE PRESIDENT OF THE VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY AT CHESTER GAP. 
          WE HAVE HAD, WELL, TWO, THREE MEETINGS. 
          UM, WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO WORK OUT HOW TO ENSURE AND GUARANTEE THAT ALL RESIDENTS IN THE CHESTER GAP COMMUNITY CONTINUE TO BE SERVED, UM, REGARDLESS OF ANY REPOSITIONING OF RAPPAHANNOCK RESOURCES. 
          SO THAT, THAT WAS OUR CHARGE AS WE LOOKED FORWARD TO THAT. 
          SO HAVING SAID THAT, UM, CHIEF BROWN, GOOD AFTERNOON. 
          TODD BROWN. 
          I'M THE CHIEF OF CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A SECOND TO THANK THE BOARD. 
          UH, CHESTER GAP HAS BEEN A PART OF WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE FOR 40 YEARS, ACTUALLY 60 YEARS. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO THANK THE BOARD FOR THE CONTINUED SUPPORT. 
          UH, WE, YOU KNOW, WE COULDN'T DO IT WITHOUT YOU, THAT'S FOR SURE. 
          UM, JUST A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. 
          UM, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL MEETINGS. 
          UH, WE'VE 
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MET WITH SEVERAL BOARD MEMBERS ON BOTH SIDES. 
          UH, WE HAD A MEETING SCHEDULED BEFORE, UH, APRIL THE 30TH, WHICH WE MET WARREN, UH, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY HAD PRESENTED AN MOA THAT WAS BROUGHT BACK AND THEY ADVISED US AT THAT MEETING, UH, THAT WE HAD UNTIL THE 15TH OF MAY TO COME UP WITH SOME TYPE OF AGREEMENT. 
          UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, THE MEETING FOR THE 30TH OF APRIL WAS POSTPONED. 
          UH, SO RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY MOVED FORWARD ON THE 4TH OF MAY, NOT THE 15TH. 
          THEY VOTED TO TAKE THE FUNDING THAT WAS BEING FUNDED TO CHESTER GAP FOR THE PAID STAFF AND MOVE THAT FUNDING TO FLINT HILL FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, FLINT HILL FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          AND THAT WAS JUST TO DO ONE PARAMEDIC OUT OF COST OF ABOUT $300,000 TO WRAP AHAN. 
          ONE PARAMEDIC CHESTER GAP HAS ONE PARAMEDIC ON DUTY THAT'S BOTH TRAINED AND FIRE AND EMS AND WE HAVE A EMT FIREFIGHTER THAT DRIVES. 
          SO WE ARE, YOU KNOW, WE WERE STAFFED WITH TWO PEOPLE, NOT ONE. 
          UH, WITH THAT BEING SAID, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY MUCH TURNED, THEY PRETTY MUCH TURNED THEIR BACK ON THE CITIZENS OF CHESTER GAP. 
          UH, THEY TURNED THEIR BACK ON THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, THE AREA OF HARMONY HOLLOW LAKE FRONT, ROYAL POINT OF WOODS FIRST WE WAS MOUNTAIN STATES. 
          A LOT OF RESIDENTS, A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THAT AREA. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT'S, IT'S PRETTY BAD THAT WE COULD NOT COME TO AN AGREEMENT. 
          UH, I, I DON'T, THEY HAD SOME ALTERNATIVE MOTIVES THAT THEY WERE PUSHING. 
          UH, SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED. 
          UM, CHESTER GAP RUNS, UH, IN THE AVERAGE OF AROUND 500 CALLS FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS. 
          EACH YEAR, UH, 60% OF THOSE CALLS ARE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, OUR TANKER, WHICH IS A 3000 GALLON TANKER. 
          UH, WE RESPOND TO JUST ABOUT EVERY CORNER OF WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, I, I'VE BEEN ALL OVER THE COUNTY WITH THAT PIECE OF APPARATUS. 
          UM, WE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT, WE HAVE THE APPARATUS, WE HAVE UPTODATE EQUIPMENT, UH, WE HAVE MODERN EQUIPMENT. 
          UH, BUT THE THING WE DON'T HAVE IS THE VOLUNTEERS. 
          UH, WE TOOK A BIG HIT DURING COVID AND, YOU KNOW, THIS IS, THIS IS A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM. 
          IT IS A PROBLEM IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, WE, WE JUST DO NOT HAVE THE VOLUNTEER SUPPORT ANYMORE. 
          UH, WE DO NOT HAVE THE, THE BUSINESS SUPPORT FOR VOLUNTEERS ANYMORE. 
          IT USED TO BE, YOU KNOW, 10, 15 YEARS AGO IF THERE WAS A MAJOR FIRE SOMEWHERE AND, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE OF VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, WERE OUT ALL NIGHT ON A FIRE AND ONLY GOT, YOU KNOW, BACK AT THE STATION AT EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING. 
          YOU KNOW, THEY COULD CALL THEIR EMPLOYER AND SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW, WE WERE OUT ON THE CALL ALL NIGHT, YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA BE IN LATE OR WHATEVER. 
          THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN ANYMORE. 
          THAT, THAT IS A THING OF THE PAST. 
          YOU KNOW, THESE PEOPLE, I, I HAD A BOY THAT, UH, A MAN RATHER THAT WORKED THAT, UH, WORKS OVER IN WINCHESTER AND, UH, AT A HEAVY EQUIPMENT PLACE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, WE HAD A CALL, WE WERE OUT ALL NIGHT, AND HE CALLED 'EM, HE SAYS, HEY, I'M GONNA BE LATE. 
          THEY SAID, WELL, IF YOU'RE LATE, DON'T WORRY ABOUT COMING BACK THE REST OF THE WEEK BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A JOB. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT'S ONE ASPECT OF ALL OF THIS THAT I DON'T THINK EVERYBODY REALIZES, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE THE SUPPORT FOR THE VOLUNTEERS, YOU KNOW, EVEN AT THE BUSINESS LEVEL ANYMORE. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE JUST, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THIS BUSINESS A LONG TIME. 
          I'VE BEEN A MEMBER OF CHESTER GAP FOR OVER 40 YEARS. 
          I'VE BEEN DOING THIS EVER SINCE I WAS 15 YEARS OLD. 
          UH, STARTED IN CU PEPPER AND THEN MOVED TO RAPPAHANNOCK AND WENT TO WORK FOR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN INVOLVED FIRE AND RESCUE FOR A LONG TIME, BUT I'VE NEVER SEEN THE VOLUNTEERISM AT AS LOW AS IT IS. 
          AND LIKE I SAY, IT IS A NATIONAL, IT'S JUST NOT HERE. 
          IT'S, IT'S NATIONWIDE. 
          BUT LIKE I SAY, IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS. 
          AND I KNOW WHEN IT COMES TO THE BUDGET AND LIKE THAT, IT DOES COST MONEY AND I UNDERSTAND THAT FULLY. 
          UH, BUT LIKE I SAY, WE CAN'T PUT A PRICE TAG ON SOMEBODY'S LIFE. 
          UH, IF SOMEBODY'S HAVING A MEDICAL EMERGENCY OR HEART ATTACK OR WHATEVER, YOU KNOW, THE TIME IS AGAINST US. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND THE EIGHT BALL, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO GET THERE FAST. 
          AND IT, IT'S, IT, IT JUST MAKES IT REALLY HARD WHEN YOU DON'T 
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HAVE THE PERSONNEL, UM, STARTING JULY ONE CHESTER GAP WILL NO LONGER HAVE ANY PAID STAFF. 
          SO WITH THAT BEING SAID, THIS IS GOING TO PUT A GREAT BURDEN ON COMPANY ONE FRONT ROYAL FIRE DEPARTMENT AND THE, THE PAID STAFF THERE. 
          UH, I KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, CHIEF MANACOS GETTING READY TO DO A PRESENTATION FOR THE SAFER GRANT, UH, I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT THAT I, I A HUNDRED PERCENT SUPPORT MORNING COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          UH, I DO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE. 
          NO DOUBT. 
          IT, IT, IT'S, IT'S THERE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE RESPONDING AT MINIMUM STAFFING. 
          THEY'RE RESPONDING WITH TWO PEOPLE ON A PIECE OF APPARATUS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, IT NEEDS TO BE, THEY NEED MORE PEOPLE. 
          UH, BUT ALSO WE NEED PEOPLE. 
          UM, THE, LIKE I SAY, I'M A HUNDRED PERCENT BEHIND THE SAFER GRANT ASPECT OF IT. 
          UM, MY ONLY CONCERN IS THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, STARTING IN JULY, UM, I KNOW, YOU KNOW, WE CAN SIT HERE AND SAY, WELL, YOU KNOW, FRONT ROW WILL HANDLE THAT. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW, IF THERE'S A MAJOR FIRE IN THE COUNTY, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY'S DEPLETED AND IT, IT MAKES IT, IT MAKES IT HARD. 
          I MEAN, IT MAKES IT BAD. 
          IT'S, IT'S BAD ON THE CITIZENS. 
          UH, JUST SUNDAY, THEY HAD A BAD WRECK ON 66. 
          THEY HAD A WALK-IN PATIENT AT COMPANY ONE CHESTER GAP RESPONDED FOR THAT CALL BECAUSE EVERYBODY WAS TIED UP. 
          THERE WAS MULTIPLE CALLS, THEY HAD A BAD WRECK. 
          UM, SO THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE IS A NEED FOR MORE PERSONNEL WITH WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          THERE'S NO DOUBT. 
          UH, I, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE COULD MOVE FORWARD FOR THE, TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS COVERED IN CHESTER GAP FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD, THERE'S A FEW OPTIONS. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF NOW'S THE TIME TO GO INTO THAT, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR ABOUT 180, AROUND $186,000, WE CAN KEEP THE PROGRAM GOING UNTIL JANUARY. 
          UH, AND THAT GIVES US TIME FOR HOPEFULLY THE SAFER GRANT. 
          WE'LL GET THE SAFER GRANT, AND THEN IT'S GONNA TAKE TIME TO DO THE HIRING PROCESS AND, AND GET PEOPLE PUT IN THESE STATIONS. 
          UH, I'M PRETTY SURE, I THINK, UH, CHIEF MATT HAD SAID, YOU KNOW, JANUARY OR FEBRUARY, MARCH, SOMEWHERE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, THE TIME EVERYBODY, YOU KNOW, WOULD BE PROCESSED AND HIRED. 
          UH, BUT LIKE I SAY, MY, MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS THOSE SIX MONTHS, UH, I, I REALLY HAVE A, A CONCERN ABOUT THAT. 
          UM, WE, WE HAVE THE RESOURCES THERE, WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT THERE. 
          WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, MODERN EQUIPMENT. 
          WE HAVE OUR EMS UNIT HAS EVERYTHING ON IT THAT EVERY UNIT IN WARREN COUNTY DOES. 
          YOU KNOW, WE CARRY THE VENTILATOR, WE CARRY THE PUMP, THE IV PUMP. 
          I MEAN, WE CARRY ULTRASOUND. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE ALL THE EQUIPMENT THERE THAT, YOU KNOW, HASN'T COST THIS BOARD ANYTHING, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE BOUGHT AND PURCHASED ON OUR OWN. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, WITH THE AGREEMENT THAT WE HAVE BEEN WORKING ON IS, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD TURN OVER OUR EMS LICENSE, OUR MEDIC UNIT, AND ALL THE EQUIPMENT, UH, WHICH LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, AN INVESTMENT ON, ON THE, ON THE BEHALF OF CHESTER GAP OF PROBABLY OVER $150,000. 
          YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT WE HAVE INVESTED OUT OF OUR POCKET. 
          UM, THE, TO KIND OF JUMP TRACK HERE A LITTLE BIT AND GET BACK TO THE RAP THING. 
          I KNOW THAT, I DON'T KNOW IF ANY OF Y'ALL SEEN THE NEWSPAPER OR ANYTHING WHERE RAP PANIC WAS, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WERE BLAMING WARREN COUNTY AND IT, IT'S NOT RIGHT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THEY WERE, THEY WERE PRETTY MUCH SAYING THAT Y'ALL WOULDN'T HAVE, YOU KNOW, WOULDN'T COME TO THE TABLE, WHICH IS, IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          UH, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE MET, UH, MRS. COLORS HAS MET AND I THINK MR. JAMON WAS THERE. 
          AND LIKE I SAY, WE, WE'VE MADE A GREAT STRIDE TO TRY TO KEEP THINGS GOING AT A WHOLE LOT LESSER COST TO BOTH PARTIES. 
          BUT LIKE I SAY, RAPPAHANNOCK HAD AN ALTERNATIVE MOTIVE AND UH, THEY PRETTY MUCH TURNED THEIR BACK ON ALL THE CITIZENS IN JUSTIN G. 
          SO, UH, THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I ONLY THING I JUST ASKED YOU TO SPEAK UP 'CAUSE I CAN'T HEAR TOO WELL. 
          SO, , ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR CHIEF BROWN? JUST, UH, IT HELPS IF I TURN MY MICROPHONE ON. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME? NO, . 
          SORRY. 
          CAN YOU HEAR ME NOW? A LITTLE BETTER. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          I'LL TRY TO BE BETTER. 
          NOW AS FAR AS THE VOLUNTEERS UNDERSTAND THAT GROWING UP BE DOWN ON MAIN STREET, FIRE SIREN GOES OFF, EVERYBODY COMES RUNNING OUTTA THE SHOPS. 
          HOPEFULLY, BUT 
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THAT'S NOT HAPPENED. 
          THIS WAS SIX, NO, THIS WAS 60 YEARS AGO YEAH. 
          WHEN IT DID HAPPEN. 
          YES. 
          SO THINGS HAVE CHANGED AND ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT HAPPENED TOO, WHICH IS IN A WAY A GOOD THING IS I GOT CERTIFIED AS A EMT 40 YEARS AGO IT WAS 40 HOURS TRAINING. 
          OH YEAH. 
          NOW IT'S 120 HOURS TRAINING. 
          YES, SIR. 
          WHICH WE HAVE BETTER TRAINED VOLUNTEERS, WE JUST DON'T HAVE AS MANY. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IT'S THIS JUST NOT THE, THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE HAVING DIFFICULTY FINDING VOLUNTEERS, IT'S FRATERNAL ORGANIZATIONS A WHOLE LOT. 
          AND IT'S JUST BECAUSE EVERYBODY'S GOTTEN SO BUSY NOWADAYS AND THEY'RE NOT REALLY USED TO, I GUESS, VOLUNTEERING. 
          UM, I WAS JUST WONDERING, I AND I, I BELIEVE I HEARD CORRECTLY THAT YOU, YOU WOULD TURN OVER YOUR LICENSE AND YOUR EQUIPMENT EMS LICENSE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THEN YOU WERE LOOKING FOR 186,000 TO CARRY THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          YEAH, THE 186,000 WOULD GET US THROUGH UNTIL TO KEEP THE CONTRACTORS THERE UNTIL JANUARY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD GET US THROUGH UNTIL JANUARY. 
          OKAY. 
          IF, IF WE WERE TO DO THAT. 
          UH, BUT LIKE I SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT IT WOULD TAKE IN ORDER TO KEEP THE STAFF THAT'S THERE NOW RIGHT. 
          IN PLACE, UH, UNTIL JANUARY. 
          AND THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTORS, I'M SORRY? THEY WOULD BE CONTRACTORS, YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN I GUESS MY QUESTION IS TOO, AS FAR AS COMES TO INSURANCE, IF YOU TURN OVER ALL THE EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD COME UNDER THE COUNTY'S INSURANCE, RIGHT? WHAT ABOUT FOR THAT ONE UNIT? YES SIR. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          FOR THAT ONE UNIT? YES, SIR. 
          FOR THE ONE UNIT? YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, AND THEN YOU SAID YOU TURN OVER THE LICENSE. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME, WHAT DO THEY CALL IT? COST RECOVERY. 
          SO THAT WOULD COME BACK TO YES. 
          COST RECOVERY WOULD BE TURNED OVER ALSO TO WARREN COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH WE GENERATE RIGHT NOW. 
          UH, WE GENERATE A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR IN COST RECOVERY. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN THE OTHER THING TOO IS WHO'S COVERING THE INSURANCE FOR THE BUILDING? THE OTHER EQUIPMENT, THE VOLUNTEERS, IF THEY GET HURT, THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD STILL BE COVERED UNDER, UNDER HANOCK COUNTY? YES, SIR. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THEN THE CONTRACTORS, IF THEY GET HURT, THAT'S COVERED UNDER THE CONTRACT THAT YOU ALL HAVE WITH A THIRD PARTY. 
          THEY'RE COVERED UNDER THE, THE CONTRACTORS, THE, THEY ARE COVERED UNDER THE, UH, RAPPAHANNOCK, FIRE AND RESCUES, ASSOCIATIONS, INSURANCE, WORKMAN'S COMP. 
          OKAY. 
          AND LIKE OF THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S JUST MY BACKGROUND BEING INSURANCE. 
          I JUST THOUGHT I'D ASK THAT AND I WAS SURE. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU HAD IT TAKEN CARE OF. 
          'CAUSE IT IS AN IMPORTANT THING IF SOMEBODY, ESPECIALLY IF SOMEBODY GETS HURT. 
          YEAH. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          SO AT THIS POINT, UM, WE HAVE A PLAN AND OUR DEPUTY CHIEF JERRY IS GONNA COME FORWARD. 
          UM, AND THIS PLAN HAS BEEN WORKED OUT WITH THE PRESIDENT AND AND TODD AT CHESTER GAP. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WELL, GOOD AFTERNOON, MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE, THE BOARD AND COUNTY STAFF. 
          AS ALWAYS, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, AND I TOO MUST APPLAUD OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION, AND THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          IN THE NAVIGATION OF THIS, UH, AS COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, DR. MARTIN ALLUDED TO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS JUST, UH, A KIND OF A, A CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS PLAN FOR THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO THE CITIZENS WITHIN THE CHESTER GAP AREAS OF WARRING COUNTY, WHAT WE CONSIDER CHESTER GAP'S. 
          FIRST DO THE POINT OF WOODS, THE HARMONY HOLLOW, THE LAKE, UM, FRONT ROYAL AREAS AND, AND ALL POINTS IN BETWEEN. 
          THAT CHESTER GAP IS THE PRIMARY, UH, RESPONDER FOR THAT JURISDICTION. 
          UM, THIS IS A CULMINATION OF WORK FROM MEETING WITH COUNTY STAFF, OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION TEAM, AS WELL AS CHESTER GAP'S LEADERSHIP. 
          THIS PLAN IS REALLY BROKE DOWN INTO THREE PRIMARY PHASES. 
          PHASE ONE IMMEDIATELY. 
          UH, WHAT CAN WE DO TO ENSURE A RESPONSE SERVICE TO THOSE CITIZENS? UM, AND HOW DO WE ENSURE A CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS, SPECIFICALLY THE EMS OPERATIONS WITHIN THE CHESTER GAP RESPONSE AREA? QUITE SIMPLY, THAT'S BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO 
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DISPATCH THE CHESTER GAP STATION ON ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE WITHIN OUR RESPONSE ALGORITHM AND RESPONSE PARAMETERS. 
          UH, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISPATCHED WITHIN ALL GEOGRAPHICAL AREAS, UH, WHERE THEY HAVE RESPONSE CAPABILITIES WITHIN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, IF THERE IS A FIRE IN RIVERMONT, WE WILL DISPATCH THEIR TANKER BUSINESS AS USUAL. 
          IF THERE IS AN EMS CALL IN LAKEFRONT, ROYAL CHESTER GAP WILL BE CONTINUED TO BE DISPATCHED. 
          THE ONLY ANOMALY TO THAT IS WE WILL CONTINUE OUR DISPATCH ALGORITHM OF DISPATCHING THE NEXT CLOSEST STAFFED RESOURCE. 
          SO, UH, A, A RESIDENT WITHIN LAKEFRONT ROYAL CALLS 9 1 1, WE WILL DISPATCH CHESTER GAP AND SIMULTANEOUSLY DISPATCH FRONT ROYAL AT THE SAME TIME. 
          IF CHESTER GAP IS ABLE TO MOBILIZE VOLUNTEERS AND ADEQUATELY RESPOND TO THAT INCIDENT, OUR FRONT ROYAL RESOURCE CAN BE RETURNED. 
          UH, OR THEY CAN RESPOND INITIATE PATIENT CARE. 
          BASED OFF OF THE IMMEDIATE RESPONSE CHESTER GAP CONTINUE AND WE DO A TRANSFER OF PATIENT CARE. 
          IF THEY ARE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT CALL IN THE FRONT ROYAL RESOURCE RETURNS TO SERVICE, UH, THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEERS AND OUR CAREER STAFF WILL, WILL CONTINUE TO NAVIGATE THAT TYPE OF RESPONSE COLLECTIVELY ON EACH GIVEN SCENARIO. 
          SO IT'S REALLY BUSINESS AS USUAL FROM A A DISPATCH IN RESPONSE ALGORITHM. 
          UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO ENSURE A LEVEL OF RESPONSE WITHIN ALL PARAMETERS OF OUR GEOGRAPHICAL BOUNDARY. 
          TODAY. 
          WE DO THAT WITH A AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT WITH CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          THAT WILL CONTINUE, WE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT THAT AUTOMATIC AID AGREEMENT AND THAT RESOURCE. 
          BUT OUR PLAN IS WE WILL DISPATCH ALL THE NEXT CLOSEST STAFF RESOURCE TO ENSURE A LEVEL OF RESPONSE TO THAT EMERGENCY OR INCIDENT WITHIN THAT CONFINES OR THAT GEOGRAPHICAL AREA AS IT RELATES TO FIRE RESPONSE. 
          NO CHANGE ON THE FIRE RESPONSE. 
          LIKE I SAID, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISPATCH THE CHESTER GAP STATION, UH, WHERE APPROPRIATE WITHIN OUR RESPONSE ALGORITHM. 
          SO REALLY FOR US, IT IS BUSINESS AS USUAL, NO CHANGE QUITE FRANKLY. 
          UM, WE HAVE ALREADY CONTINUED. 
          PROBABLY, UH, FOUR MONTHS AGO WE STARTED DI DUAL DISPATCHING THE CHESTER GAP STATION BASED OFF OF COMMUNICATIONS BETWEEN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND WARREN COUNTY, WHERE RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY INDICATED THAT CHESTER GAP WOULD NOT BE RESPONDING TO CERTAIN CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          SO WITHIN OUR DISPATCH ALGORITHM, FIRE CHIEF BONNO SENT OUT A DIRECTIVE TO OUR COMMS TEAM, THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT, AS WELL AS RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY, INDICATING THAT WE WOULD MOVE THE CHESTER GAP STATION TO A DUAL DISPATCH. 
          AND IF THEY RESPONDED OR THEY CHOSE TO RESPOND, UM, THEN THEY COULD RETURN THE ADDITIONAL DISPATCHED ASSETS THAT IS CURRENTLY TAKING PLACE TODAY THAT WILL CONTINUE TO TAKE PLACE FOR THIS. 
          SO, UM, AGAIN, BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR WARRING COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE. 
          IN ADDITION TO, WE HAVE DRAFTED A, UH, LETTER THAT FROM COUNTY ADMINISTRATION THAT WAS MAILED TO ALL ADDRESSES WITHIN CHESTER GAP'S GEOGRAPHICAL AREA TO JUST KIND OF REASSURE THOSE RESIDENTS THAT THEY WOULD NOT GO WITHOUT A LEVEL OF RESPONSE. 
          UH, IN ADDITION, IF THEY HAD ANY QUESTIONS, THEY COULD FIELD THOSE QUESTIONS THROUGH OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION. 
          SO IN ESSENCE, THAT WAS PHASE ONE TALKING WITH CHESTER GAP'S LEADERSHIP. 
          AS WE STARTED WORKING ON WHAT PHASE TWO LOOKS LIKE, UH, THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT HAD SIGNALED THAT THEY DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH MAINTAINING THEIR EMS LICENSE, THEIR TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT WITH THE LACK OF VOLUNTEERS TO MEET STATE REQUIREMENTS. 
          UH, ULTIMATELY THE STATE SAYS IF YOU WANT TO BE AN EMS AGENCY, YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN NUMBER OF EMS PROVIDERS. 
          UH, THEY FELT THEY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO MEET THAT AND WOULD BEGIN POTENTIALLY SELLING OFF THEIR ASSETS, THEIR TOOLS, EQUIPMENT, THE MEDIC UNIT, ET CETERA. 
          UH, SO ULTIMATELY UNDERSTANDING THAT IF THEY HAVE ONE OR TWO EMS PROVIDERS AVAILABLE ONE OR TWO TIMES A WEEK AVAILABLE FOR EMERGENCY RESPONSE, IT DOESN'T REALLY DO JUST TO, TO NOT HAVE THE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE WITHIN THAT FIRE STATION TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. 
          UH, SO ONE OF THEIR REQUESTS WAS, WOULD WARREN COUNTY CONSIDERING ABSORBING THEIR ASSETS LIKE WE HAVE WITH ALL OF OUR INTERNAL VOLUNTEER COMPANIES, MEANING THEY WOULD SIGN OVER 
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THEIR MEDIC UNIT, IT WOULD GET TITLED TO WARREN COUNTY. 
          WE WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP, WE WOULD TAKE OWNERSHIP OF THE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT. 
          WE WOULD ALSO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ALL COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO MAINTENANCE COSTS, UH, SUPPLIES, THE DURABLE GOODS, UM, THE MEDICATIONS, ET CETERA WOULD ALL BE TRANSFERRED TO WARRING COUNTY. 
          THAT WOULD FALL UNDER OUR EMS LICENSE, THEN WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE MAINTENANCE, ET CETERA. 
          SO WE WOULD HAVE A, A LICENSED EMS UNIT AT THE CHESTER GAP STATION AVAILABLE FOR VOLUNTEER RESPONSE AND USE. 
          UM, AND, UH, WE WOULD MAINTAIN THAT ACCORDINGLY. 
          SO, UM, AND THAT WOULD BE A PARTNERSHIP WITH CHESTER GAP NO MORE, NO LESS THAN WE HAVE DONE WITH ALL OF OUR INTERNAL STATIONS. 
          DID PART THREE OF THIS CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS PLAN WOULD BE THE POTENTIAL OF STAFFING THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO BASED OFF OF WHAT CHIEF BROWN, UH, AND PRESIDENT, UH, WILLIAMS HAS INDICATED IS THEIR, UH, NEED FOR ADDITIONAL SUPPORT IN STAFFING LOSING THE CONTRACTOR PROGRAM. 
          BUT STILL, WHAT YOU HEARD FROM CHIEF BROWN, THE LACK OF VOLUNTEERS, UM, IS, IS THERE A POTENTIAL FOR WARREN COUNTY TO STAFF THE CHESTER GAP STATION, JUST LIKE IT WOULD BE ONE OF OUR OWN INTERNAL VOLUNTEER COMPANIES. 
          SO THIS PROPOSAL GOES THROUGH AND LOOKS AT THE STAFFING COST ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          WE HAVE MET AGAIN AND WORKED WITH CHIEF BROWN, UH, AND HIS LEADERSHIP TEAM ON OUR STAFFING REQUEST. 
          WE WOULD CONSIDER THAT STAFFING VIABLE FOR A, ACROSS THE BOARD STAFFING FIRST PULL CONCEPT FIRE AND EMS. IF WARREN COUNTY WAS GONNA COMMIT, UH, ASSETS OR PERSONNEL ASSETS INTO THE CONFINES OF THAT STATION, WE WOULD DO IT AND MODEL IT JUST LIKE OUR OWN VOLUNTEER COMPANIES WITHIN WARREN COUNTY. 
          MEANING WE WOULD STAFF IT WITH THE CURRENT RANK STRUCTURE. 
          WE WOULD STAFF IT WITH THE CURRENT DUAL ROLE FIRE AND EMS. AND THAT WAY IF THERE WAS A FIRE CALL, THE PAID STAFF WOULD GO, THE VOLUNTEER STAFF COULD MOBILIZE AND TAKE THE SECOND PIECE, BUT WE WOULD IMMEDIATELY RESPOND FROM A FIRE OR EMS STANDPOINT, NOT JUST EMS LIKE YOU WOULD GET OUT OF THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM LABELED AS A EMS PROGRAM. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO NOW CERTAINLY UNDERSTANDING THE, UH, COST IMPACTS OF PHASE THREE, UH, YOU'LL HEAR LATER TODAY IS IF WE ARE SO, UH, GRACIOUS ENOUGH TO BE AWARDED THE OPPORTUNITY TO APPLY FOR A SAFER GRANT FROM THIS BOARD, WE WOULD PROPOSE INCLUDING STAFFING FOR THE CHESTER GAP STATION AS PART OF THAT SAFER GRANT REQUEST. 
          WE'LL SAY THAT, UH, A A LITTLE BIT OF CONFUSION. 
          UM, NOWHERE IN THIS DOCUMENT WILL YOU SEE THE CONTINUATION OR CONTINUED FUNDING THAT CHIEF BROWN TALKED ABOUT THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR. 
          WE HAVE NOT BEEN A PART OF ANY OF THOSE CONVERSATIONS OR HAVE WE DONE ANY COST IMPACTS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO THAT'S KIND OF NEW AND THAT'S WHY YOU WON'T SEE THAT REFERENCED IN THIS DOCUMENT. 
          UM, BUT PHASE ONE BUSINESS AS USUAL FOR US, WE WILL RESPOND TO ALL CALLS FOR SERVICE. 
          WE WILL DISPATCH PHASE TWO, POTENTIALLY THE CONTINUATION OF THEIR EMS PROGRAM UNDER WARREN COUNTY'S LICENSE, PHASE THREE, UH, POTENTIALLY STAFFING, AND WE WILL GET INTO MORE OF THE STAFFING AND COST IMPACTS AS IT RELATES TO A LATER CONVERSATION TODAY, UH, ON THE SAFER GRANT REVIEW. 
          UH, WITH THAT, I KNOW THAT'S A 30,000 FOOT VIEW. 
          I'LL ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS, WHICH YOU MAY HAVE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          GET THIS THING. 
          EVERYBODY HEAR ME? YEAH, IT SOUNDS RIGHT. 
          OH, A LOT OF QUESTIONS. 
           OR A LOT OF THOUGHTS MAYBE I SHOULD SAY. 
          OH, SAFER GRANT, IF WE GOT IT APPLIED AND GOT THAT DONE. 
          OH, SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT GONNA KICK IN UNTIL AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR. 
          UH, YOU KNOW, TIME, IN OTHER WORDS, WE HAVEN'T, OH, IF WE APPLY FOR THE SAFER GRANT TIME, YOU GET THOSE, THAT'S JUST FIGURE THAT WE GET THE SAFER GRANT THAT WOULDN'T OH, THAT NEW STAFF FROM THE SAFER GRANT WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO START IN CHESTER GAP TILL WHEN WE WOULD PROBABLY LOOK AT THE MARCH TIMEFRAME BASED OFF OF THE, UM, CURRENT FISCAL YEAR BUDGET AS WELL AS THE RECRUITMENT PERIOD ASSOCIATED WITH THAT, WHICH THE SAFER GRANT WILL DIVE INTO THAT A LOT, A LOT HARDER. 
          SO, AND THEN, UH, CURRENTLY IT'S BEING SAFE 
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WITH SUBCONTRACTORS AND A SUBCONTRACTOR DATE RUNS OUT RIGHT NOW, I BELIEVE IT'S JULY ONE. 
          I KNOW WARREN COUNTY HAS COMMITTED ITS PORTION OF FUNDING THROUGH JULY. 
          UM, WE'VE HEARD NO COMMUNICATION FROM HANOCK THAT THEY PLAN TO TERMINATE EARLY. 
          SO WE WOULD ASSUME CHIEF JUMP IN IF YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION, WE WOULD ASSUME JULY ONE. 
          AND THEN, UH, SO WE, THE, THE GAP FROM JULY ONE TILL MARCH, AND THAT'S, THAT'S IF YOU GET A SAFER GRANT ALL WOULD BE PURELY VOLUNTEER BASIS FOR JUST CHESTER GAP OUT OF THE CHESTER GAP STATION, CORRECT? YES. 
          NOW MIND YOU DON'T FORGET, THIS BOARD'S APPROVED THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESS TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING AT OUR STATION ONE EFFECTIVE THE NEW BUDGET YEAR. 
          UH, WE PLAN THAT GO LIVE DATE BY THE TIME WE DO, UM, OUR RECRUITMENT JOB OFFERS HAVE BEEN AWARDED, START DATES HAVE BEEN PROVIDED THOUGH THOSE MEMBERS WILL GO THROUGH A CORE COMPETENCY PROGRAM. 
          SO SIX NEW STAFF MEMBERS WILL GO THROUGH A CORE COMPETENCY PROGRAM, UH, THE STATE MANDATED PRECEPT PROCESS. 
          UH, WE LOOK TO BE ABLE TO INCREASE OUR STAFFING AT STATION ONE AUGUST 2ND, UH, IS NEXT QUESTION IS, IS OUR TARGET DATE. 
          SO WE WILL MOVE FROM FOUR A DAY AT STATION ONE TO SIX A DAY AT STATION ONE. 
          UH, SO THAT WILL ALLEVIATE SOME OF THOSE CONCERNS OR, OR CALL PRESSURES THAT WE'RE SEEING WITHIN THE FRONT ROYAL DISTRICT. 
          DOES IT, UH, IF WE GET THE RECOVERY FUND BACK, WE COULD COULD, YOU KNOW, 86,000 IS FAIRLY REASONABLE TO EXTEND CONTRACTORS TO HELP, HELP COVER ALL. 
          HAS IT BEEN DISCUSSED, UH, TAKING YOUR NEW HIRES THAT YOU WERE GONNA PUT IN STATION ONE AND JUST PUTTING THEM AT CHESTER GAP UNTIL WE SEE WHAT WE DO WITH THE SAFER GRANT OR FIND SOME OTHER FUNDING TO PUT STAFF BACK. 
          HAS THAT BEEN DISCUSSED? DOES THAT, DOES THAT WORK IN ANY, ANYBODY? NO, SIR. 
          IT'S, UH, THE FIRE CHIEF'S PRIORITY HAS BEEN PRETTY CLEAR THROUGHOUT THIS WHOLE PROCESS. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, OUR STUDY THAT WE JUST COMPLETED SHOWS THAT WHILE, WHILE CHESTER GAP HAS CALL PRESSURES, OBVIOUSLY THE ROOT CAUSE OF THOSE CALL PRESSURES ARE WITHIN THE GEOGRAPHICAL AREA OF FRONT ROYAL STATION. 
          OUR PRIORITY REMAINS AND, AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE, TO INCREASE THE STAFFING OF FRONT ROYAL TO ALLEVIATE THE CALL PRESSURES ON THE OUTLYING STATIONS TO INCLUDE CHESTER GAP. 
          DOES, UH, THIS IS, IT SOUNDS LIKE WE'RE HEADED TO A VERY SIMILAR SITUATION YEARS BACK WITH HINDO FARMS. OH, I THINK WHERE CLARK COUNTY, THEY ACTUALLY EVEN BOUNDARY, IF I REMEMBER RIGHT THERE, BOUNDARY JUST TO, IS THE CHESTER GAP STATION IN CLOSE ENOUGH PROXIMITY TO WHERE IT WOULD BE AT SOME POINT YOU THINK IT'LL BE BOUNDARY ADJUSTED OR, I KNOW THAT'S A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION, THAT'S A HARD ONE TO ANSWER, BUT IS IT LIKE MILES IN THE HANOCK LINE OR DO YOU NO, I THINK IT'S RELATIVELY CLOSE, BUT, SO TO JUST TO ALSO CONFIRM THAT BOUNDARY LINE DOESN'T REALLY AFFECT ANYTHING THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING WITH DISC CON CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS PLAN. 
          UM, WE CAN THROUGH THE VIRGINIA OFFICE OF EMS, THAT THAT MAGICAL BOUNDARY LINE DOES NOT PROHIBIT WARREN COUNTY STAFFING AN ASSET IN THE CHESTER GAP STATION. 
          WHAT THAT MAGICAL BOUNDARY LINE DOES IS IT PREVENTS CHESTER GAP REALLY OF, BECAUSE THEY, THE PROBLEM WE ARE RUNNING INTO IS IT'S TWO DIFFERENT EMS REGIONS. 
          UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE DEALT WITH THAT BEFORE. 
          I WILL SAY THAT THE EMS REGIONS HAVE RECENTLY REALIGNED. 
          UM, SO WE HAVEN'T GONE DOWN THAT ROAD PER SE. 
          FROM AN EMS STANDPOINT, WE HAVE CONFIRMED THAT PHASE TWO OF THE CONTINUITY PLAN WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITED BY ANY TYPE OF BOUNDARY LINES. 
          UM, REALLY WE'RE DOING THIS AT THE REQUEST OF CHESTER GAP. 
          CHESTER GAP CAN COMMUNICATE THAT WITH RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND SIGNAL, HEY, WE'RE, WE'RE JUST CHANGING OUR LICENSURE FROM A, FROM A, A, A LEGALITY STANDPOINT, BUT ALSO STATE REQUIREMENT STANDPOINT, THAT BOUNDARY LINE DOESN'T REALLY INTERFERE WITH ANYTHING. 
          UM, IS THAT THE, UH, IS THAT THE SAME CASE EVEN FOR THE SAFER GRANT THAT THE, WOULD THE GRANT BE ON THIN ICE IF WE WANT A GRANT FOR THIS STATION? THAT'S NOT EVEN IN THE COUNTY TECHNICALLY. 
          NO. 
          WE'VE DONE A LITTLE BIT OF NETWORKING AS IT RELATES TO THAT, AS WELL AS READING, UH, THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OPPORTUNITY BECAUSE CHESTER GAP IS PART OF OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE, UH, PER SE, A FIRST 
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DUE AREA WITHIN WARREN COUNTY'S RESPONSE SYSTEM. 
          UM, WE, WE, I THINK WE WOULD BE ELIGIBLE. 
          THERE'S NOTHING THAT SAYS WE CAN'T, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT WAYS WE COULD DO IT, WHICH WE'VE TALKED INTERNAL, BUT WE FEEL THAT THE WAY THAT WE HAVE MAPPED OUT IN OUR HEAD, UH, WOULD BE SUFFICIENT. 
          WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST FOR STAKE SAKE OF, UH, COUNTY ORDINANCE IS ADD THEM AS PART OF OUR, UH, THEY ARE MENTIONED IN OUR COUNTY ORDINANCE AS AN AUTOMATIC AID COMPANY, BUT NOT LISTED AS A PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITY. 
          UH, SO WE WOULD PROBABLY JUST LIST THEM AS A PUBLIC SAFETY ENTITY WITHIN THE COUNTY ORDINANCE. 
          BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT WOULD BE UP FOR, UH, UH, JASON AND HIS TEAM'S REVIEW. 
          SO IS IT THOUGH, YEAH, I'M, I'M GLAD THAT THE, THAT IMAGINARY LINE ON A MAP SOMEWHERE DOESN'T INHIBIT ALL US BEING ABLE TO UTILIZE THAT, UM, PREVIOUS AGREEMENT. 
          IT WAS KIND OF A HANOCK DEAL AND WE WERE THROWING SOME MONEY AT IT. 
          IF, UH, WE END UP KIND OF TAKING CONTROL OF THE EMS AND THE LICENSING SIDE HAS A, AND I UNDERSTAND THE HANOCK MAY BE HAVING SOME CONTINGENCY WITH THEIR VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT SYSTEM. 
          LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE GOING THROUGH SOME CHANGES OURSELVES, BUT, UH, HAVE THEY INDICATED AT ANY POINT THAT MAYBE IF WE FLIP IT AROUND THE OTHER WAY, THAT THEY WOULD FUND US A LITTLE BIT TO HELP COVER THEIR SIDE OF CHESTER GAP? YOU'LL SEE THAT HIGHLIGHTED IN HERE. 
          WE HAVE NOT HAD THAT CONVERSATION, BUT THAT'S ALWAYS AN OPTION, UH, FROM THE EMS PERSPECTIVE. 
          SO PHASE TWO OF THE PROGRAM, IF PHASE TWO OF THE PROGRAM TAKES PLACE WITH THAT EMS LICENSE AND WITH THE UNIT AND EQUIPMENT ALSO, RIGHT NOW, CURRENTLY TODAY, CHESTER GAP DOES ITS OWN EMS BILLING. 
          SO ALL OF THOSE REVENUE RECOVERY FUNDS DIVERT BACK TO EITHER HANOCK OR CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE A COST IMPACT PROJECTION WITHIN THIS DOCUMENT OF $0 TO ABSORB THE LICENSE AND EQUIPMENT, BECAUSE QUITE FRANKLY, THAT WOULD BE OFFSET BY ANY OF OUR REVENUE INCREASES ASSOCIATED WITH RESPONDING. 
          SO IF THERE IS A CALL FOR SERVICE IN LAKEFRONT ROYAL TODAY, CHESTER GAP RESPONDS, THEY HANDLE THE PRIMARY TREATMENT AND TRANSPORT OF THAT PATIENT. 
          ALL OF THOSE REVENUE FUNDS GO BACK TO CHESTER GAP. 
          WARREN COUNTY SEES $0 NOW WITH TAKING OVER THE EMS. PART OF THAT IS, IS WE WILL CONTINUE TO GET, WE WILL START GETTING THE COST RECOVERY FUNDS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          WHERE IT BECOMES A WASH IS, IS NOW THE CHESTER GAP. 
          VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT DOES NOT HAVE TO FUND THE FUEL FOR THE MEDIC UNIT, THE MAINTENANCE FOR THE MEDIC UNIT, THE, UH, THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH MAINTENANCE OF THE EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA. 
          MS. POFF, WE CAN'T CLOSE ALL YEAH, IT THEN IT BECOMES A CLOSED MEETING. 
          SO OBJECT. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THE OFFSET IS, IS WHILE CHESTER GAP LOSES THE REVENUE FROM COST RECOVERY, WARREN COUNTY GAINS IT. 
          WARREN COUNTY THEN IS A RESPONSIBLE FOR A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE EMS PROGRAM IN CHESTER GAP STATION. 
          I WISH IT WAS ENOUGH WHERE WE COULD HOLD THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS. 
          I I WAS TO FILL THIS GAP ALL BUT IT, IT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S A LITTLE, I DON'T KNOW WHERE WE'RE AT. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME PRETTY BIG STRETCHES WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM NOW AND COOLERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. 
          $86,000 DOESN'T SOUND LIKE A LOT OF MONEY IN A BIG BUDGET, BUT OH, IT'S PRETTY LEANING. 
          WE'VE GOT SOME BIG EXPENDITURES COMING, BUT, UH, IF I THOUGHT I HAD A WAY TO, TO BRIDGE THAT GAP WITH THOSE SUBCONTRACTORS AND UNTIL WE KNEW A LITTLE MORE, JUST TO GIVE YOU SOME MORE SUPPORT, UH, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE VOLUNTEER PROGRAM IS A, IS A NATIONAL CONCERN. 
          I'VE HEARD THAT IN OTHER, OTHER PLACES AND OTHER MEETINGS. 
          UH, WELL, FINGERS CROSSED ON THE SAFER GRANT. 
          UH, FOR SURE. 
          UH, I WOULD DEFINITELY SUPPORT THAT, UH, TO TRY TO GET SOME COVERAGE THERE. 
          UH, ANYWAY. 
          WELL, YOU AIN'T, YOU AIN'T SEEN THE NUMBERS YET, SO DON'T SAY THAT. 
          OH, I WAS GONNA SAY . 
          YEAH, WELL HOLD ONTO THAT THOUGHT. 
          IT'S, IT, IT'S NOT HORRIBLE. 
          SO, UM, THE, THE THING THAT, THAT I DON'T THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW IS THERE ARE WARREN COUNTY RESIDENTS THAT YOU HAVE TO LITERALLY DRIVE BY CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT IN RAPPAHANNOCK TO GET TO THEIR HOMES IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, SO THE, THE RELATIONSHIP THERE IS, IS, UM, MORE INTRICATE THAN PEOPLE REALIZE. 
          UM, I DIDN'T, YEAH, A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
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AND BASED OFF OF THE COMPLEXITY OF THE COUNTY, THAT'S NOT AN ANOMALY. 
          NO. 
          THERE'S HOMES THAT YOU HAVE TO GO INTO FREDERICK COUNTY TO COME BACK INTO WARREN COUNTY TO GET AS THEY POP UP. 
          WE TRY TO ADJUST, UH, OUR COMMS TEAM, CAPTAIN BROGAN AND OUR ECC TEAM TRY TO ENSURE WHAT WE CALL PSAP. 
          UM, SO THAT PSAP BOUNDARY, WHERE DOES YOUR PHONE CALL ROUTE TO? UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH SOME CHANGES WITH THAT OVER THE PAST. 
          UM, LINDEN GO FREEZELAND ROAD WEAVES IN AND OUT OF FAKI COUNTY ALL THE TIME, UM, YOU KNOW, JUST KIND OF J JAGS AROUND, UH, THERE ARE HOUSES WHERE THEY ARE IN WARRING COUNTY, BUT THEIR NEIGHBOR IS IN FAKI. 
          RIGHT. 
          NO, SAME THING WITH CLARK. 
          YEAH, I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          SO THE ONE THING I WILL SAY THAT IS A IS A PIECE OF THIS, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FINANCES OF IT, WE DON'T PAY THE CONTRACTED PEOPLE BENEFITS. 
          SO THAT IS A, YOU KNOW, I HATE TO USE THE WORD CHEAPER, MORE FINANCIALLY BENEFICIAL ARRANGEMENT, I GUESS IS A BETTER WAY OF SAYING IT, UM, BECAUSE WE ARE NOT PAYING THE BENEFITS. 
          SO I, I'D REALLY LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT CRUNCHING THE NUMBERS OF WHAT WE COULD DO, BECAUSE I KNOW IT'S A CONCERN TO THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE NOT JUST IN, BUT THAT'S, YOU NAMED THEM OFF EARLIER, THE HO HOLLOW, THE POINT OF WOODS LAKEFRONT ROYAL, UM, BLUE MOUNTAIN STATES AND, AND ALL OF THAT. 
          IT'S A LOT OF HOUSEHOLDS, A LOT OF PEOPLE, AND THEY'RE CONCERNED. 
          SO I THINK IT IS WORTH LOOKING AT CRUNCHING THOSE NUMBERS WITH THE COST RECOVERY THAT THEY WILL BRING IN AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO TO GIVE THEM THE CONFIDENCE THAT THERE'S GONNA BE SOMEBODY WHEN THEY CALL, UM, BECAUSE YOU, HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          WE ALL KNOW IT. 
          YOU'LL NEVER HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE. 
          DOESN'T MATTER HOW MANY PEOPLE WE PUT IN ANY OF THESE FIREHOUSES DEPENDING ON THE CALL THAT COMES OUT, THAT TAKES THE WHOLE COUNTY TO DO IT. 
          AND THEN SOMETIMES WE EVEN HAVE OTHER COUNTIES COMING IN OR WE GO TO OTHER COUNTIES TO HELP THEM WHEN THEY'RE IN SIMILAR SITUATIONS. 
          SO YOU'RE NEVER GONNA HAVE ENOUGH. 
          WE, WE, WE PLAY THAT CHESS GAME EVERY DAY IN OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM. 
          YEP. 
          CHIEF BROWN, YOU HEARD FROM HIM, THEY RUN 500 CALLS A YEAR OUTTA THE CHESTER GAP STATION. 
          THAT IS 500 TIMES LAKE FRONT ROYAL POINT OH WOODS HARMONY HOLLOW IS UNPROTECTED FROM THE CHESTER GAP STATION. 
          RIGHT? THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE TO LIKELY JUST LIKE US IN OUR OWN INTERNAL SYSTEM TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE MULTIPLE CALLS SIMULTANEOUSLY OR AT THE SAME TIME. 
          SO FOR THAT 500 TIMES THAT CHESTER GAP SAND BLA GOES OUT THE DOOR, THEIR FIRE TRUCK GOES OUT THE DOOR. 
          THAT'S FOR EVERY STATION WE HAVE. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S EVERY DAY. 
          IT HAPPENS 3000 TIMES ACROSS THE STREET AT FRONT ROYAL EVERY YEAR GRACIOUSLY OVER THE LAST YEAR OR IN, IN, IN JULY. 
          WE ARE BOLSTERING THOSE NUMBERS IN THE CONFINES OF FRONT ROYAL BECAUSE AGAIN, WHAT WE HAVE IDENTIFIED IS THE 3000 TIMES THOSE UNITS MOVE ACROSS THE STREET IS HOW MANY TIMES THESE UNITS OR THE OUTLYING UNITS ARE COMING IN. 
          SO ABSOLUTELY, WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT. 
          WHAT I WILL SAY IS, IS, AND I JUST CAUTION THE BOARD, UH, WE, YOU HAVE HEARD FROM US MANY TIMES THAT THE SUBCONTRACTOR, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT, WE DON'T PAY BENEFITS, WE ALSO DON'T PAY BENEFITS ON OUR PART-TIME EMPLOYEES. 
          UH, I WOULD JUST USE CAUTION PAYING A CONTRACTOR MORE THAN WE PAY OUR OWN. 
          OWN EMPLOYEES HAVE ALWAYS SAID. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW. 
          AGAIN, WE HAVEN'T BEEN PRIVY TO THE COST PROJECTIONS ASSOCIATED FROM CHIEF BROWN'S COMMENTS, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY SOMETHING WE CAN LOOK AT AND DIVE INTO AND SEE WHAT SALARY LEVELS THOSE ARE, ET CETERA. 
          THAT'S JUST NEW TO US TODAY. 
          SO, ONE OTHER THING, I'LL TRY NOT TO HA ANY MORE QUESTIONS, BUT, UH, AS FAR AS THE AMOUNT OF ROOM IN STATION WOOD, YOU KNOW, WE'VE GOT ANOTHER, UH, UH, ANOTHER EMT SERVICE COMING IN. 
          OF COURSE, I'M ASSUMING YOU GOT ROOM IN THE BUILDING FOR THAT, OR YOU WOULDN'T HAVE PUT 'EM THERE, BUT, UH, AT SOME POINT THAT BUILDING'S PROBABLY GOTTA BE GETTING PRETTY FULL. 
          UM, HOW DOES THE FACILITY AT CHESTER GAP LOOK AS FAR AS YOU KNOW? HOUSING NOT IDEAL. 
          IT'S VERY SIMILAR TO OUR STATION SIX. 
          THEY ARE LIVING IN A, UM, A WHAT USED TO BE THEIR RENTAL HALL UPSTAIRS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UH, IT'S NOT IDEAL BECAUSE AS A CALL FOR SERVICE COMES IN, THEY HAVE TO PHYSICALLY EXIT TO THE OUTSIDE ELEMENTS, WALK AROUND THE BUILDING AND COME BACK INTO THE APPARATUS SPACE. 
          I WISH WE COULD CUT A HOLE IN THE FLOOR AND THROW A POLE. 
          I WAS JUST GONNA SAY, HIT THROW POLE IN. 
          IT'D BE OUR FIRST FIRE STATION WITH A POLE. 
          EVERYBODY WILL WANNA WORK THERE. 
          UH, IT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          UM, WHILE I THINK IT IS A TEMPORARY STOP GAPP MEASURE, UM, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY 
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RIGHT ACROSS FRONT ROYAL. 
          BUT ALSO TOO, WE HAD A INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS DONE BACK IN 2009 THAT SAID FRONT ROYAL FIRE STATION NEEDED TO BE REPLACED IN 2011. 
          I, I, I'D LOOK FOR ANOTHER WAY BECAUSE IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO IT'S NOT, I DON'T, IT'S NOT IDEAL. 
          NONE OF OUR FACILITIES WERE BUILT AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, UH, UH, UH, CHAIR COLORS ACCOMPANIED US ON A COUPLE OF FIRE STATION VISITS WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT DESIGNS OF FIRE STATIONS. 
          NOPE. 
          I SPENT 24 HOURS OVER THERE. 
          YEP. 
          THEY'RE NOT IDEAL. 
          OUR FIRE STATIONS, THE GUYS WARNED ME THAT THE BELL WAS RIGHT OVER TOP OF THE BED. 
          I WAS SLEEPING IN AND NOT TO WHACK MY HEAD BECAUSE IT WAS GONNA SCARE ME. 
          UM, AND BASICALLY THAT'S ONE LARGE ROOM WITH, I THINK THERE WAS A LOCKER OR SOMETHING DIVIDING THE GUYS' PART AND THE GIRLS' PART. 
          SO IT'S NOT OPTIMAL OVER THERE EITHER. 
          I REALLY WASN'T PLANNING ON SLEEPING ANYWAY. 
          SO NONE OF OUR STATIONS WERE REALLY BUILT WITH 24 HOUR HOUSING IN MIND. 
          THEY WERE BUILT AS VOLUNTEER STATIONS WHERE RESPONSE FROM HOME WAS THE STANDARD AT THE TIME. 
          UM, OUR SOUTH WARREN STAFF, OR SLEEPING IN WHAT USED TO BE THE FRONT OFFICE OFFICE MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO THEY BLOCKED OFF A DOOR. 
          THEY HAD TO ADD A WINDOW FOR EGRESS, UM, REQUIREMENTS AND CONVERTED THAT INTO A, UH, BUNK ROOM. 
          I WILL SAY THAT, UM, WITH OUR INCREASE AT FRONT ROW, JUST TO SAY THAT THE, THE LEADERSHIP OF FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN TREMENDOUS IN, UH, GETTING THEIR STATION READY FOR THAT TO INCREASE COOKING CAPABILITIES, UH, SLEEPING CAPABILITIES, EXPANDING OUT STORAGE. 
          'CAUSE AS YOU SEE AN INCREASE FOR THAT, THAT'S MORE FOOD. 
          YOU GOTTA HOLD MORE COOKING THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE MORE TOIT FLUSHES. 
          RIGHT? I MEAN, SO YOU LOOK AT THE WEAR AND TEAR ASSOCIATED WITH INCREASED STAFFING. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE NOTICED AT OUR STATION 10 WITH, UH, A, A FIRE STATION BEING BUILT WITH RESIDENTIAL GRADE MATERIALS. 
          IT'S JUST NOT DESIGNED TO HOLD UP TO THE TRAFFIC YOU SEE WITH, UH, 24 7, 365, UH, HOUSING ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          SO, UM, UH, WE'RE MOVING FORWARD. 
          I WILL SAY THAT, UH, CHESTER GAP, IF WE DECIDE TO STAFF THAT IT WILL BE A, UH, UH, TEMPORARY SITUATION, JUST LIKE OUR STATION SIX, WE WILL ADVOCATE THAT, UH, WE EITHER REMODEL OR REBUILD JUST TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE A CONDUCIVE ENVIRONMENT FOR IMMEDIATE RESPONSE. 
          UM, RIGHT NOW WE ARE GETTING READY TO ADOPT A 92ND OUT THE DOOR TIME STANDARD AS RECOMMENDED BY THE, UH, MATRIX FIRE AND RESCUE STUDY. 
          UM, CHESTER GAP AND SHENANDOAH FARMS WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO MEET THAT STANDARD BECAUSE OF HOW THEY HAVE TO TRAVEL TO GET TO THEIR RESPECTIVE APPARATUS. 
          AND, UH, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, THAT'S THE NATIONAL STANDARD. 
          WE'VE NEVER ADOPTED THAT INTERNAL AS AS A COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM. 
          UH, BUT THAT WILL AGAIN, BE ABLE TO SHOW US WHAT THAT MOBILIZATION TIME OUT THE DOOR TIME LOOKS LIKE AND HOW IT'S IMPACTING GLOBAL RESPONSE SERVICES. 
          SO, SO THANK YOU FOR THAT. 
          ANY OTHER COMMENTS? YEAH, I HAVE SOMETHING THAT GOES WAY BACK TO SUPERVISOR CARTER'S CONVERSATION WITH CHIEF BROWN. 
          UH, WHEN THE TOPIC WAS INSURANCE, UM, THERE WAS MENTION OF I THINK SOME OF, UH, THE STAFF, UH, OR MAYBE IT WAS VOLUNTEER INSURANCE COSTS STILL RIDING ON RAPPAHANNOCK AND I'M ASSUMING THAT'S A STOPGAP UNTIL THEIR NEXT RENEWAL OR UNDERWRITING. 
          BUT CAN YOU GIVE A TIMELINE ON THAT? YEAH. 
          SO THE WAY THAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE IS, UH, THEY ARE A RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY STATION. 
          RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY FUNDS THEM FROM THEIR FIRE LEVY TAX IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR DISTRIBUTION FORMULA OR THEIR AGREEMENT, UH, BASICALLY PAYING FOR CHESTER GAP'S, FIRE BASED SERVICES. 
          UM, THE ONLY THING THAT WE ENVISION HAPPENING IS WARREN COUNTY WOULD TAKE OVER THE EMS SERVICES. 
          WE WILL TAKE OVER THE FUNDING FOR THOSE SERVICES. 
          SO AS IT RELATES TO INSURANCE ON THE MEDIC UNIT AND THAT EQUIPMENT THAT WOULD FALL UNDER WARREN COUNTY'S INSURANCE POLICY BECAUSE WE WILL PHYSICALLY OWN THE ITEMS. THE BUILDING AND APPARATUS WILL STILL FALL UNDER A CHESTER GAPS INSURANCE POLICY, WHICH IS FUNDED BY RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY. 
          ANY STAFF THAT GOES THERE, IF THEY WERE WARING COUNTY EMPLOYEES, THEY WOULD FALL UNDER WARREN COUNTY'S PERSONNEL INSURANCE POLICY, UM, OR VOLUNTEER POLICY, ET CETERA. 
          BUT RIGHT NOW WE DON'T SEE ANY MAJOR ISSUES WITH THE INSURANCE, UM, UNLESS HANOCK 
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STARTS REDUCING CONTRIBUTIONS TO CHESTER GAP, WHICH WE'VE HAD THAT KIND OF CONTINGENCY TALK OF WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE FOR CHESTER GAP. 
          BECAUSE RIGHT NOW WE FUND CHESTER GAP A LEVEL OF FUNDING IN ACCORDANCE WITH AN AGREEMENT WE WOULD ALWAYS HOLD STRONG WITH. 
          IT'S PROBABLY BAD BUSINESS TO FUND CHESTER GAP ANY MORE THAN WHAT WE'RE FUNDING OUR OWN INTERNAL COMPANIES. 
          SO, SO OUR RANGE OF MOVEMENT IN AN ANNUAL FUNDING IS PRETTY LIMITED. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO CHESTER GAP'S GONNA HAVE TO DETERMINE IF RAPHE COMES IN AND SAYS, WELL, WE'RE GONNA REDUCE FUNDING WHAT THAT NEEDLE LOOKS LIKE. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE'VE HAD THOSE CONTINGENCY TALKS AND THOSE LONG-TERM TALKS AS IT RELATES TO THIS EMS OPERATIONS PLAN. 
          UH, WE DON'T SEE ANY INS, WE DON'T SEE THE INSURANCE BEING AN ISSUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS FOR CLARIFYING THAT. 
          AND THEN, UH, ONE OTHER QUESTION. 
          OF THE 500 ISH CALLS, UH, THOSE ARE ALL EMS CALLS? UH, OR THEY'RE BOTH NO, SIR. 
          THAT THEY'RE BOTH. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO CHESTER GAP IS UTILIZED IN OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM FOR BOTH FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE. 
          THEY ARE QUEUED INTO THAT RESPONSE ALGORITHM. 
          SO FIRST, DO SECOND, DO THIRD, DO FOURTH, DO YOU KNOW THEY'RE DUE FOR A TANKER RESPONSE PRETTY MUCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE, UH, COUNTY. 
          THEY ARE DUE FOR FIRE AND EMS RESPONSE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THEIR GEOGRAPHICAL LOCATION IN WHAT WE CALL A RUN ORDER. 
          SO ARE THEY, ARE THEY THIRD DUE, MEANING THEY ARE THE THIRD CLOSEST COMPANY? UH, WE HAVE ALWAYS UTILIZED CHESTER GAP IN THAT RESPONSE ALGORITHM AND ORDER AS PART OF OUR SYSTEM. 
          AND THAT WILL, THAT WILL CONTINUE. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, EXCUSE ME. 
          YOU'RE GOING OVER SOME OF THIS. 
          I JUST WANNA REITERATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WHAT I UNDERSTAND IS THAT WARREN COUNTY WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE EMS, WE GET THE COST OF RECOVERY, ALL THAT STUFF. 
          AND THEN CHESTER GAP WOULD STILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR FIRE. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE OTHER THING IS, UM, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 186,000 FOR THE NEXT, FOR THE REST TO DECEM DECEMBER 31ST, CORRECT? I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT, THAT'S NOT A PROJECTION FROM US 186 TO GET YOU TO DECEMBER. 
          HOW MUCH TO GET TO CONTINUE THE STAFFING IF WE, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT IF WE DO IT AT THE LEVEL OF WHAT WARREN COUNTY IS PAYING THERE, PART-TIME STAFFING, UH, WHICH WE, I THINK WE AVERAGED IT OUT. 
          UH, WHAT RAPPAHANNOCK WAS PAYING WAS $30 AN HOUR FOR THE PARAMEDIC AND $18 AN HOUR FOR THE BLS. 
          UH, IF WE SCALE IT BACK TO THE $25 AN HOUR IS WHAT ROUGHLY WARREN COUNTY'S PAYING FOR PART-TIME? UH, A LS YOU'RE LOOKING, LIKE I SAY AT, UH, I DON'T HAVE THE EXACT AMOUNT, BUT I THINK FOR THE SIX MONTHS YOU WERE LOOKING AT LIKE 187,000. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S, I THAT'S WHAT I, THE FIGURE I THOUGHT I HEARD. 
          YEAH, SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 186. 
          187,000 FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          FOR SIX MONTHS. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          I DIDN'T, I DIDN'T GO INTO THE MARCH. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          OR WHATEVER WE WERE LOOKING AT. 
          AND THEN YOU ALSO SAID THAT ESTIMATED COST FOR RECOVERY WOULD BE A HUNDRED THOUSAND. 
          YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO JUST KEEP THAT IN MIND THAT IT'S NOT GONNA BE 187,000 MINUS A HUNDRED THOUSAND BECAUSE IT'S ONLY BE HALF OF THE YEAR. 
          SO THE NET WOULD BE ABOUT 136 FOR THAT SIX MONTHS. 
          A HUNDRED THOUSAND WAS JUST FOR THE SIX MONTHS OF THE YEAR WAS RECOVERY. 
          YEAH, WE'RE GETTING ABOUT A HUNDRED, A LITTLE OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS A YEAR COST RECOVERY. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M GLAD YOU PUT DOWN THAT THAT AXLE HAS GONE DOWN SOME. 
          WHEN, WHEN WE CHANGED OUR RESPONSE A LITTLE BIT, WHEN HANOCK WAS PAYING IT A HUNDRED PERCENT, WE WERE NO LONGER DOING STATION FIELDS AT COMPANY ONE BY THEIR REQUEST. 
          UH, SO THAT DID BRING THE EMS RESPONSES DOWN SOME, SO THAT ACTUALLY BROUGHT THE COST RECOVERY DOWN SOME. 
          SO IF THAT, IF WE GO BACK TO REGULAR DISPATCHING, AND LIKE I SAY, IF WE WERE TO BE PUT AT COMPANY ONE DURING A MAJOR CALL, WHEN THEY HAVE ANOTHER CALL GOING ON, YES, WE'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING MORE EMS CALLS, THEREFORE YOUR COST RECOVERY WILL BE HIGHER. 
          UH, THAT THE A HUNDRED THOUSAND IS BASED ON THIS LAST EIGHT MONTHS. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          SO IT WOULD ACTUALLY BE A LITTLE BIT HIGHER. 
          AND TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE EMS, UH, WE OPERATE UNDER LORD FAIRFAX. 
          NOW THE ONLY THING WE DO UNDER THE HANOCK SIDE, WHICH IS, UH, THE RIMS PART OF THE 
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COUNCIL IS FOR GRANTS. 
          THAT'S ALL WE DO. 
          ALL OF OUR OPERATIONS, EVERYTHING IS BASED UNDER LORD FAIRFAX. 
          WE IS, WHICH IS THE SAME AS WHAT WARREN COUNTY DOES. 
          WE MIRRORED THEM. 
          EXACTLY. 
          WHEN WE FIRST STARTED DOING THE STAFFING, WE WENT UNDER WARREN COUNTY. 
          WE USED ALL OF WARREN COUNTY PROTOCOLS. 
          SO EVERYTHING IS THE SAME. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT THAT, NOT THAT BIG A DEAL TO, ONCE WE SWITCH OVER TO WHERE WE TURN OVER THE LICENSE, EVERYTHING'S PRETTY MUCH STAYS SITE. 
          IT'S REALLY NO, NO DIFFERENT OTHER THAN WE WILL NO LONGER THEN BE ABLE TO APPLY FOR GRANTS, YOU KNOW, THROUGH RIMS, UH, LIKE WE DO NOW. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE DO THROUGH THE OTHER EMS COUNCIL IS GRANTS. 
          AND, UM, I KNOW MR. CARTER HAD ASKED WAS TALKING ABOUT THE EMTS, JUST TO LET YOU KNOW, I HAVE TWO VOLUNTEER EMTS. 
          TWO, ONE OF THEM WORKS IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY. 
          UH, HE WORKS FOR DUNEY TRIANGLE. 
          HE IS HOME ON THE WEEKENDS, AND THAT'S EVERY OTHER WEEKEND AND THAT'S IT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          THE OTHER YOUNG LADY I HAVE IS, YOU KNOW, SHE'S DOING OTHER THINGS. 
          SHE'S NOT RUNNING NOW AS A VOLUNTEER VERY MUCH AT ALL. 
          SO YEAH, WE HAVE NO, NO, EMSI, I DO HAVE A COUPLE PEOPLE IN THE, IN A NEW EMT CLASS AS WE SPEAK, THEY'RE IN IT. 
          AND, BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT, ALL OF THEM LIVE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          THEY DO NOT LIVE UP ON CHESTER GAP. 
          SO THE ONLY WAY THEY'RE GONNA RESPOND TO A CALL IS IF THEY ARE AT THE STATION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          YOU KNOW, AS A VOLUNTEER, I HAVE ONE THAT LIVES OUT IN RIVERMONT AREA. 
          I HAVE NO ONE THAT LIVES HERE IN TOWN. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT SUSTAINABLE. 
          I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT IT'S NOT. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, YOU, YOU, YOU BOTH HAVE GIVEN US A LOT OF INFORMATION AND SO AGAIN, SOME OF THIS STUFF YOU MAY HAVE COVERED, BUT WHAT EXACTLY FOR THE 186,000 ARE WE GETTING STAFF WISE, PERSONNEL WISE? YOU'RE GETTING, I'M SORRY, FOR THE 186,000, YOU WOULD CONTINUE BUSINESS LIKE IT IS RIGHT NOW. 
          YOU WOULD, YOU WOULD GET A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER AND AN EMT FIREFIGHTER. 
          BUT LIKE I SAY, THAT'S FOR, FOR YOUR SIX MONTHS, BUT 24 7, I MEAN, TO, TO CARRY IT OVER. 
          IS THAT A 24 7 SERVICE OR JUST THREE? NO, THEY'RE RUNNING 24 7. 
          CORRECT? THEY'RE RUNNING 24 7. 
          YES. 
          24 7. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT'S COVERAGE 24 HOURS A DAY, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK WITH A PARAMEDIC FIREFIGHTER AND THE EMT FIREFIGHTER. 
          AND THEY, AND LIKE I SAY, WITH THE PROGRAM THAT HANOCK DID, I, I NOTICED JERRY POINTED ON THAT A LITTLE BIT. 
          THEY, THEY WERE MAINLY EMS. THEY, THEY WANTED EMS COVERAGE. 
          WE TOOK THAT UP A NOTCH WHEN WE WENT IN, WHEN WARREN COUNTY CAME INTO THE PROGRAM, WE TOOK IT UP A NUTS TO WHERE THEY, THEY RUN FIRE. 
          SO IF THERE IS A FIRE CALL, THEY CAN JUMP ON A FIRETRUCK AND GO, IT HAPPENS A LOT. 
          WE DO IT ALL THE TIME. 
          UH, SO THEY ARE DUAL TRAINED. 
          UH, LIKE I SAY, HANOCK WAS THE ONES THAT FROWNED ON US RUNNING FIRE CALLS, BUT LIKE I SAY, THEY'RE OUT OF THE PICTURE. 
          UH, BUT THEY STILL, WE HAD A CALL JUST THE OTHER NIGHT AND THE PAID STAFF WAS ON THE EQUIPMENT, SO, OKAY. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING IS TO FI TO, TO FILL 1 24 7 POSITION, IT TAKES THREE PERSONNEL. 
          YES. 
          UNDER OUR CURRENT ARRANGEMENT. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          'CAUSE OF THE THREE SHIFT CONCEPTS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, MAYBE I'M BEING GETTING CONFUSED, BUT RIGHT NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY 1 24 7 POSITION IF IT TAKES THREE PEOPLE TO DO IT, AND IF I UNDERSTAND CORRECTLY, MAYBE WRONGLY, YOU CAN'T REALLY RUN ONE CALL WITH ONE PERSON. 
          AND THEN IF I THINK THAT, IF I UNDERSTAND AGAIN, THE RAPA HANOCK IS ALREADY COMMITTED TO PULLING THEIR PAID CONTRACTORS AND AND PUSH 'EM TO, TO FLINT HILL. 
          SO HOW EXACTLY WOULD THIS WORK IF YOU'VE ONLY GOT ONE PAID PERSON ON STAFF? WELL, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S RAPPAHANNOCKS ONLY DOING ONE PERSON PER SHIFT AT THE FLINT HILL STATION. 
          SO THEY ARE DOING THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY ARE, THEY HAVE JUST SHIFTED. 
          THE ONLY THING THAT THIS HAS DONE IS SHIFTED HANOCK TAKING THEIR FUNDING AND NO LONGER PROVIDING THE FUNDING TO SUBCONTRACTORS. 
          THEY'RE HIRING THEIR OWN PART-TIME EMPLOYEE, PUTTING THAT PART-TIME EMPLOYEE AT FLINT HILL. 
          AND THE VOLUNTEERS WILL SERVE AS THE SECOND PERSON. 
          SO THAT THAT'S AN AGREEMENT BETWEEN THEM AND FLINT HILL. 
          WHAT WILL HAPPEN AT CHESTER GAP IS, IS NO SUBCONTRACTORS WILL BE 
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HIRED. 
          THEY WILL MOVE TO A VOLUNTEER DEPENDENT ORGANIZATION. 
          WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISPATCH, BUT WE WILL BACKFILL THROUGH AN AUTOMATIC AID OR A RESPONSE PER SE. 
          BUT CURRENTLY WHAT HE'S ASKING, I THINK IS THE STRUCTURE. 
          AND CURRENTLY YOU HAVE PAID PEOPLE THERE 24 7 FULL STAFF, TWO PEOPLE, AND THAT'S WHAT HE'S HOPING WITH. 
          YES. 
          187 TO CONTINUE TO DECEM THE END OF DECEMBER. 
          WHAT HE CURRENTLY HAS, WHAT I WILL SAY IS WE, AS FIRE ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT BEEN EXPOSED TO THE PROPOSAL FOR 187 TO CONTINUE THE PROGRAM. 
          I WOULD JUST SAY THAT WE WOULD LIKELY NEED TO SIT WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TEAM IN CHESTER GAP, IRON OUT ANY POTENTIAL FUNDING IMPACTS. 
          BUT ALSO TOO, MIND YOU, THE CHIEF HAS CONCERNS WITH REGARDS TO WARREN COUNTY FUNDING CONTRACTORS WITH, UH, WARREN COUNTY MONIES AND FLSA IMPLICATIONS, AND PARTICULARLY AS IT RELATES TO OUR OWN EMPLOYEES WORKING AS SUBCONTRACTORS AT CHESTER GAP. 
          UM, IT'S NOT MANY, BUT IT'S A COUPLE. 
          THERE ARE CONCERNS THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS BEFORE WE GO DOWN THE ROAD TO SAY IF WE CONTINUE THE FUNDING, UM, OUTSIDE OF WHAT THIS PROPOSAL IS, AGAIN, WE WERE, WE WERE PREPARED TO SPEAK TODAY WITH PHASE, PHASE ONE, PHASE TWO, PHASE THREE, THE CONTINUATION OR ADDITION OF ANY MONEY WAS NOT IN ANY OF THESE PHASES. 
          AND QUITE FRANKLY, I DON'T THINK WE'RE PREPARED TO SPEAK TO THE VIABILITY OF THAT. 
          AND I THINK THAT WOULD ONLY TO CONTINUE THE CONTRACTORS. 
          THAT WOULD ONLY BE A TEMPORARY MEASUREMENT, RIGHT? CORRECT. 
          IF, IF WE GET A SAFER GRANT. 
          RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA BE BACK AND FORTH IN FRONT OF YOU IF THE SAFER GRANT DOESN'T GO THROUGH OF WHAT'S NEXT. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO, SO AGAIN, THESE ARE ALL TEMPORARY STOP GAP MEASURES UNTIL WE'RE READY TO PULL THE TRIGGER ON HIRING SIX POSITIONS, PUTTING 'EM IN A FIRE STATION, AND NOW THE COMPETING INTEREST WITH WHAT THE STUDY SHOWED OF WHERE OUR CALL PRESSURES ARE. 
          SO, UH, IT'S NOT AN EASY CONVERSATION, BUT IT'S CERTAINLY ONE THAT WE NEED TO LOOK AT. 
          HE'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. 
          THAT'S A STOPGAP MEASURE THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR. 
          THEN YOU'VE GOT THE END OF THE YEAR TO, UH, IF A SAFER GRANT PICKS UP OR THE END OF THE YEAR UNTIL A BUDGET PICKS UP. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO, UH, SO AT A MINIMUM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT IT LEAST 12 MONTHS BEFORE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING AT EIGHT TO 12 MONTHS BEFORE ANY TYPE OF SAFER OR, UM, BUDGETARY MEASURE CAN BE HAD TO INSTITUTE THIS. 
          JUST FOLLOWING UP THERE, AGAIN, I'M SORRY FOR BEING DENSE, BUT, AND I'M NOT SUGGESTING THIS, BUT IF WE DID NOT DO THIS, ARE THERE ANY PAID PEOPLE LEFT AT FLINT? UH, UH, CHESTER GAP? IF YOU DO NOT CONTINUE ANY FUNDING PAST JULY ONE, THE CONTRACT PROGRAM WILL DISSOLVE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY WILL BECOME A VOLUNTEER DEPENDENT ORGANIZATION. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IF WE DO THE 187, WE GOT ONE PAMAN 24 7 2 2 2, I BELIEVE TWO, BUT TWO FLINT HILL IS THE ONE THAT'S GOING WITH ONE PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          THEIR PROPOSAL IS SAYING THAT IF YOU PROVIDE THEM THE 180 OKAY. 
          AND SOME CHANGE, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE THE, UH, PROGRAM OKAY. 
          WITH TWO PERSON SUBCONTRACTOR. 
          OKAY. 
          AT WARING COUNTY SALARY RATES IS WHAT I'VE HEARD. 
          OKAY. 
          UNTIL A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          LIKE I SAID, THIS IS, UM, UH, VERY, UM, INVOLVED AND IT'S AN ONGOING PROJECT OBVIOUSLY, TOO, BUT I JUST WANT TO THANK YOU FOR THE THAT CLARIFICATION. 
          SO, UH, AND I KNOW YOU'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT THE SAFER GRANTS AND THE SAFER GRANTS ARE A GREAT PROGRAM. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU GET IT. 
          BUT JUST TO REMIND THIS BOARD, AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE EXACT PERCENTAGES, BUT THE FIRST, THAT'S ALL IN THE PRECINCT YEAR. 
          IT'S ALL, IT'S COMING UP FREE AND THEN IT, IT SLIDES DOWN BY THE THIRD OR FOURTH YEAR, IT'S UP TO THE COUNTY TO, UH, PROVIDE THE CORRECT. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE COST PROJECTIONS ON OUR PROJECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING THAT WE, AND, AND IN, IN CASE I FORGET TO SAY IT, THEN IT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, WE JUST HAVE TO LOOK DOWN THE ROAD. 
          HOPEFULLY YOU GET ALL YOU ASKED FOR, BUT THEN WE HAVE TO START WORKING ON PUTTING AWAY THAT ONGOING EXPENSE CORRECT. 
          EVERY YEAR. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          SO I'M JUST, UH, TOSSING OUT AS A REMINDER, BUT THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          YEAH. 
          1, 1, 1 OR TWO LAST QUESTIONS ABOUT THE SAFER GRANT. 
          WHAT, WHAT IS THE DEADLINE TO GET THE APPLICATION IN FOR THIS SITE? WELL, WE'LL GO THROUGH THAT PRESENTATION. 
          IT'S, IT'S ON THE AGENDA 22ND. 
          AND WE HAVE SOME FUNDING STRATEGIES THAT WE'LL TALK ABOUT IN THE WORK SESSION. 
          UH, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE OTHER FUNDING STRATEGIES, WE CAN BRING IT BACK TO YOUR NEXT MEETING IN JUNE ABOUT THE ONE 82ND. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL, 
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I DO APPRECIATE YOU BEING HERE, CHIEF BROWN AND ALL THAT CHESTER WRAP DOES TO, UM, AUGMENT THE SYSTEM WITH WARREN COUNTY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND WE'RE AT THE PUBLIC 
          [H. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)  ]
COMMENT PERIOD OF OUR MEETING AND JUST REALIZED I DON'T HAVE MY PUBLIC COMMENT PAPER OUT. 
          SO LET ME GRAB THAT REAL QUICK. 
          UM, JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE, OH, SOMEWHERE IT'S HERE. 
          I THINK EVERYBODY KNOWS TO BE COURTEOUS AND NOT BE ATTACKING ANYONE, UM, WITH WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY. 
          AND YOU GET THREE MINUTES. 
          AND IF YOU WOULD STATE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN. 
          SO ALL FOREGO READING, 'CAUSE I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYONE HERE THAT HASN'T HEARD IT A THOUSAND TIMES. 
          MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES, MA'AM. 
          FIRST UP IS LOUIS MOTON, UH, GREETING SUPERVISORS. 
          MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON AND I HAVEN'T HEARD IT QUITE A THOUSAND TIMES JUST YET. 
          UM, BUT I'M, IT'S GOTTA BE CLOSE. 
          I'M WORKING TOWARDS IT. 
          I'LL GET THERE. 
          . 
          UM, BA BASICALLY I WANT TO SPEAK ABOUT THE BUDGET TRANSFER GUIDELINES FOR STRONGER FISCAL OVERSIGHT. 
          AND, UM, MY, I HAVE A FEW CONCERNS. 
          UH, MAINLY THE, THE BUDGET IS MORE LIKE A PROMISE TO THE PEOPLE. 
          I KNOW IT'S NOT HARD CODED, BUT IT'S LIKE, THIS IS WHERE WE'RE GOING. 
          UM, BUT I'M, I'M HAVING SOME CONCERNS WITH THIS REPORT ISN'T SHOWING, HEY, THE MONEY IS COMING FROM THIS BUDGETED ACTION AND IT'S MOVING TOWARDS THIS, THE, THE ADOPTED BUDGET. 
          SO I'D, I'D ACTUALLY LIKE TO SEE LIKE, WHERE'S THE MONEY COMING FROM? WHERE'S IT GOING? UH, WE HAD LIKE A MILLION DOLLARS LAST YEAR DISTRIBUTED TO OTHER DEPARTMENTS. 
          SO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          ALL, ALL WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS LIKE INSTITUTIONAL MEMORY. 
          WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I WOULD LIKE IN THE FUTURE THAT WE CAN START TRACKING THAT THING, THINGS LIKE THAT PUBLICLY, SO THAT WE HAVE A BASIS FROM THE BUDGET AND WHERE THE MONEY WENT INSTEAD OF JUST SAYING, OKAY, THIS IS THE NEW BUDGET. 
          UM, I, I, I LIKE THE PUBLIC TRAIL IF, IF POSSIBLE. 
          UM, THERE ARE CONCERNS OVER THRESHOLDS FOR LARGE AND UNUSUAL TRANSFERS. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, WE'RE WE'RE, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THE SAMPLE, THERE'S A LOT OF MONEY MOVING AROUND. 
          I MEAN, WE JUST HAD ALSO, UM, I THINK IT WAS 194,000 THAT WAS PROPOSED LAST YEAR THAT I CAUGHT ON TO. 
          AND THERE, IT HADN'T EVEN GONE THROUGH A PROCESS UNTIL I BROUGHT UP, HEY, WE NEED TO GET, YOU KNOW, OTHER QUOTES OR SOMETHING AND THIS LOOKS OUTTA PLACE. 
          SO I THINK EVENTUALLY WE NEED TO WORK TOWARDS SOME KIND OF OVERSIGHT TO HELP YOU GUYS OUT. 
          UH, MAINLY ON THE FINANCIAL PART, NOT THE POLICY PART. 
          UM, TO ACTUALLY DIG IN OR, OR REALLY LIKE LOOK AT SIGNALS AND FIND OUT SAVINGS OR JUST GIVE A RECOMMENDATION, HEY, IS THIS, IS THIS OKAY? OR IS, DOES, DOES SOMETHING NEED TO BE CHANGED HERE? UM, AND I'D BE WILLING TO TALK TO YOU MORE ABOUT THAT AT A LATER TIME IF YOU'RE INTERESTED. 
          UM, THE, THE MAIN THING I'M ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT IS WE STILL HAVE THESE AUDITS THAT ARE LINGER AROUND FOR TWO YEARS. 
          I'M CONCERNED WHY WE'RE ACTUALLY BEING ASKED TO APPROVE SOMETHING THAT'S ALREADY BEEN SPENT OVER BUDGET THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          WHY, WHY IS ALL OF A SUDDEN NOW, NOW IT'S COMING INSTEAD OF THREE MONTHS AGO. 
          UM, SO I, I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE THINGS THAT ARE LIKE, I FEEL LIKE THINGS ARE TOO LOOSE AND THEY NEED TO BE STRENGTHENED A LITTLE BIT. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE CLARITY ON SOME OF THE REMAINING, UM, VARIANCES IN THE JOURNAL ENTRIES. 
          ARE, ARE THESE JUST NORMAL THINGS OR IS THERE SOMETHING OUT OF LINE HERE? WHAT, WHAT'S EXACTLY GOING ON? BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON, THERE'S A LOT OF ATTENTION TO THE AUDITS, THE DELAYS, WHAT, WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. 
          I, I FEEL A LITTLE BLINDED AT AT THE MOMENT. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP, MR. WILLIAMSON? UH, THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? YES SIR. 
          YES SIR. 
          THIS DOCUMENT WAS PLACED IN YOUR CHAIR PRIOR TO THE MEETING. 
          WELL ARE BILL ROCKY LANE, WARREN COUNTY. 
          ON APRIL 28TH OF THIS YEAR, I HAND-DELIVERED OUR TAX RELIEF APPLICATION FOR THE ELDERLY AND DISABLED TO THE SITTING COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          THE DOCUMENT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU WAS INCLUDED WITH THAT APPLICATION. 
          MY WIFE AND I ARE WELL AWARE THAT WARREN 
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COUNTY ORDINANCE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR THE DEDUCTION OF DISABILITY BENEFITS FOR THE DISABLED FROM THE APPLICATION'S TOTAL INCOME, EVEN THOUGH VIRGINIA STATUTE 58.1 32 12 SUGGESTS THAT A COUNTY MAY SO ALLOW IF IT CHOOSES. 
          IT WAS THOUGHT, HOWEVER, BY MY WIFE AND MYSELF THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE WOULD USE THEIR DISCRETIONARY POWER TO ADJUST OUR TOTAL INCOME FOR 2025. 
          IN REGARD TO MRS. RUSSELL'S A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABILITY, WE WERE SADLY MISTAKEN MRS. RUSSELL'S DISABILITY APPLICATION REQUIRED OF A PERIOD OF MORE THAN TWO YEARS WITH THE AID OF AN ATTORNEY. 
          A SUCCESSFUL RULING AND RESULT WAS ACHIEVED. 
          MRS. RUSSELL'S FIRST BENEFIT INCLUDED RETROACTIVE BENEFITS FOR OVER A YEAR. 
          SOME OF THOSE FUNDS WERE ALLOTTED FOR ATTORNEY COMPENSATION. 
          THE ENTIRE INITIAL BENEFIT SUM ADDED SUBSTANTIALLY TO OUR TOTAL INCOME FOR 2025. 
          THE FEDERAL INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE ALLOWS FOR BOTH OF OUR QUALIFICATIONS. 
          I AM 79, MY WIFE IS A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED, EVEN WITH A MODEST STIPEND FROM AN INVESTMENT ACCOUNT, MY WIFE AND I ZEROED OUT FOR OUR COMBINED FEDERAL 10 40 TAX RETURN, $0 FOR TOTAL TAXABLE INCOME. 
          WHY DOES WARREN COUNTY NOT ALLOW FOR BOTH OF OUR QUALIFICATIONS? IT IS IMMORAL TO START WITH AND POSSIBLY CRIMINAL IN APPLICATION. 
          THE WARREN COUNTY TAX RELIEF APPLICATION FORM ALLOWS FOR ONLY ONE APPLICANT. 
          EVEN IF BOTH PARTIES HUSBAND AND WIFE QUALIFY THIS SITUATION REEKS OF ABUSE. 
          AND IN OUR SPECIFIC CASE, WE ARE BEING FINANCIALLY RAPED. 
          ACCORDING TO THE VIRGINIA STATUTE LISTED IN THE DOCUMENT BEFORE YOU MRS. RUSSELL'S, SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS SHOULD BE DISALLOWED FROM THE TOTAL INCOME ASKED FOR ON THE TAX RELIEF FORM. 
          FIRSTLY, AT THIS TIME, MY WIFE AND I ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD ADDRESS THIS UNFAIR AND ABUSIVE POLICY. 
          WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THE BOARD TAKE APPROPRIATE ACTION TO ADJUST WHATEVER ORDINANCE IS APPROPRIATE TO ABIDE BY THE AFOREMENTIONED VIRGINIA STATUTE RECOMMENDATION, WHICH IS TO ALLOW SOCIAL SECURITY BENEFITS FOR THE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED FROM THE TOTAL INCOME ASKED FOR ON THE TAX RELIEF FORM. 
          SECONDLY, MY WIFE AND I ARE REQUESTING THAT OUR CURRENT REAL ESTATE TAX BILL BE ADJUSTED TO REFLECT THE SUBTRACTION OF MRS. RUSSELL'S A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABILITY BENEFIT ON THE TAX RELIEF APPLICATION. 
          AND FINALLY, SUBSEQUENT TO THAT ACTION, AN ABATEMENT TO OUR TAX BILL SHOULD RESULT IN AN APPROPRIATE REFUND, SHOULD BE FORTHCOMING. 
          WAS ALSO TOLD BY A HIGH RANKING ELECTED OFFICIAL HERE IN WARREN COUNTY THAT IF I DON'T ADVOCATE FOR MYSELF AND MY WIFE, NO ONE ELSE WILL. 
          THANK YOU FOR LETTING ME SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? WHAT'S THAT? I WAS, I WAS THANKING YOU AND THEN ASKING IF ANYBODY ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT PERIOD WILL BE OVER AND WE'LL GO 
          [I.1. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney ]
TO BOARD REPORTS. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          UM, I RECENTLY MET WITH SOME ROCKLAND CONSTITUENTS AND, UH, TAKING IN M ROAD, UH, MAINTENANCE QUESTIONS, WHICH, UH, I'LL BE COORDINATING WITH MS. CARTER ON. 
          UM, I ATTENDED THE MEMORIAL DAY CEREMONY ON MAY 25TH, UH, AT THE COURTHOUSE LAWN. 
          AND, UH, AS EXPECTED IT, IT DELIVERED A, A VERY, UM, UPLIFTING AND SOLEMN EXPERIENCE. 
          UH, LASTLY, UH, IN REGARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT WE JUST HEARD, UH, I'M SYMPATHETIC TO MR. BILL'S STORY AND I I HOPE THAT THE ADMINISTRATION CAN LOOK INTO WHETHER WHAT HE'S ASKING IS POSSIBLE AND LEGAL. 
          THANK YOU MR. CARTER. 
          TO FOLLOW UP ON MR. MEYER. 
          I WOULD, UH, CONCUR THAT, THAT, UH, WE REQUEST THAT THE COMMISSIONER OF OF REVENUE LOOK INTO THIS MATTER. 
          UH, NOW OBVIOUSLY IT'S NOT THE TIME 
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TO COME BACK SINCE IT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP. 
          BUT THEN AGAIN, IF SHE COULD, UH, MAYBE LOOK AT IT AND, AND ADVISE US IF WE NEED TO CHANGE THE POLICY OR AT LEAST GIVE US THAT OPTION. 
          UM, ON THE CONSENT AGENDA, THERE'S, UM, JUST WANNA COMMEND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR SECURING A GRANT, UH, FOR ACQUIRING ADDITIONAL VESTS FOR THE SHERIFF'S OFFICERS. 
          AND IF I READ IT CORRECTLY, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WAS NOT THAT MUCH OF A MATCH. 
          SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          AND AGAIN, I THINK I MAY HAVE BROUGHT THIS UP PREVIOUSLY, AND I KNOW I THINK THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, THEY'VE LOOKED AT GRANTS AND BEEN SUCCESSFUL IN SOME OF THOSE. 
          AND THERE MAY BE OTHER GRANT OPPORTUNITIES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. 
          AND I THINK ONE OF THEM WAS MAYBE, I THINK THERE WAS A GRANT OR SOME SORT FOR ROCKLAND PARK. 
          AND THERE'S OTHER THINGS, AND THAT'S SOMETHING TOO THAT I KNOW PREVIOUSLY WE USED TO HAVE, I THINK, A FULL-TIME GRANT WRITER ON STAFF. 
          AND IT IS INVOLVED. 
          FIRST YOU HAVE TO FIND THE GRANTS, THEN YOU HAVE TO WRITE THE GRANT, WHICH IS AN ART IN ITSELF. 
          AND THEN IF YOU'RE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING THE GRANT, YOU HAVE TO, UH, OVERSEE AND MAKE SURE IT'S DONE PROPERLY. 
          UH, THAT'S SOMETHING TOO. 
          IT COULD BE A POSSIBILITY TO SEE, I DON'T KNOW IF THE TOWN HAS A GRANT WRITER OR NOT, BUT THAT COULD BE SOMETHING TOO. 
          BUT WE COULD WORK TOGETHER AND, AND MAYBE JOINTLY FUND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE A WORK SESSION ABOUT HIGH TOP ROAD. 
          AND I THINK THIS IS, THIS HAS BEEN BROUGHT UP BEFORE AS FAR AS THE ADDITIONAL, UH, HOUSING THAT'S BEING PROPOSED AND THE IMPACT IT MAY HAVE ON BOTH NEW AND CURRENT RESIDENCE WELLS. 
          AND I THINK MR. HAM, ARE YOU STAYING FOR THE WORK SESSION? YES, SIR. 
          OKAY. 
          SO MAYBE YOU CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE, UH, IF THERE'S ANYTHING AT ALL, OR WHAT, WHAT CAN BE DONE? AGAIN, UH, THESE LOT LOTS WERE PLATTED OFF PROBABLY 50 OR 60 YEARS AGO, SO THAT MAKES THE, THE THING AND THE TWO ISSUES UP THERE WERE THE, UH, THE WATER AND THE ROADS. 
          SO WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN WORK, UH, WORK SESSION. 
          UM, AND I THINK SOMETHING TOO THAT THE BOARD HAD SUSPENDED THE FINANCE COMMITTEE BACK IN JANUARY. 
          UH, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS, AND I, I GUESS THAT'S ON, UM, CONSENT AGENDA ITEM TOO, AS FAR AS, UH, BARRY DUNN. 
          UM, AS FAR AS, UM, UPDATING THE CONTRACT OR WHATEVER. 
          BUT I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHEN I HEAR DIFFERENT DATES. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS MAYBE BY THE END OF JUNE THEY'LL, THEY'LL HAVE COMPLETED THE, THE 2024 AUDIT, AND THEN THE NEXT WOULD BE THE 2025. 
          UM, BUT IT MAY BE TIME FOR THIS BOARD TO KIND OF RECONSIDER OR TO CONSIDER REINSTITUTING THE FINANCE COMMITTEE. 
          UM, AND I I, I JUST PUT DOWN EITHER JULY ONE OR ONCE WE GET THE LEASE, THE 2024, UH, AUDIT. 
          AND WHAT WE COULD DO AT THAT TIME IS, UH, RE-LOOK AT THE EXISTING BYLAWS, UM, AND THEY COULD BE UPDATED AND ALSO, UH, TASK THE COMMITTEE WITH CERTAIN GUIDELINES, UH, OR GOALS. 
          BUT THAT'S SOMETHING THAT AT A FUTURE MEETING. 
          UM, THE LAST THING WOULD BE IF, UH, THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR COULD ADDRESS THE, UM, THE POSITION OF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR. 
          I KNOW THERE'S SOME CONFUSION OUT THERE. 
          UM, MY UNDERSTANDING, AND OBVIOUSLY DR. MARTIN CAN EXPRESS THIS MORE ELOQUENTLY THAN I CAN, BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THIS IS A COUNTY EMPLOYEE UNDER THE DIRECT, UM, SUPERVISION OF THE COUNTY ATTOR, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. 
          SO I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON OUT THERE THAT THEY, THAT THERE'S SOME THOUGHT OR THINGS OUT THERE THAT THINK THAT THIS IS ACTUALLY GONNA BE PART OF THE OLD IDA. 
          SO IF YOU WOULD CARE TO, UM, EX, UH, UH, ELABORATE ON THAT, ONCE I GUESS THE REST OF THE BOARD FINISHES, I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          AS WELL AS THE BOARD AS WELL AS THE POPULATION. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UH, THAT WILL BE PART OF MY REPORT AND THERE'S A PRESS RELEASE GOING OUT THIS AFTERNOON TO CLARIFY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MR. HENRY. 
          OH, YES. 
          OH, COUPLE MONTHS BACK, YES. 
          OH, IT LOOKS LIKE THE, UH, TAX RELIEF, UH, PROGRAM IS ON FOR DISCUSSION IN THIS AFTERNOON'S WORK SESSION. 
          UH, AND, UH, I'M THINKING SOME OF THOSE NUMBERS JUST NEED TO BE UPDATED OR, UH, 
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LOOKED AT. 
          'CAUSE UH, I DO FEEL THERE'S SOME PEOPLE THAT, I MEAN, I FEEL LIKE THEY SHOULD QUALIFY AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT REACHING THAT, UH, NOT REACHING THE, THE, THE MINIMUM, THE QUALIFICATIONS. 
          SO, UH, I DON'T KNOW HOW OLD THOSE NUMBERS ARE FOR INCOME AND HOW THEY'RE APPLIED. 
          AND, UH, BUT IF THEY, UH, I DEFINITELY SUPPORT UPDATING THEM IF, UH, ESPECIALLY IF THEY'RE OLD NUMBERS KNOW. 
          AND THEN, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THE STATE ALLOWS TO, I'M SURE IT'S SOME REGULATION THERE, IT'D HAVE TO BE BROUGHT INTO THAT. 
          BUT I'LL BE, UH, I'LL BE VERY INTERESTED TO, UH, GO THROUGH THAT IN, UH, THIS AFTERNOON'S WORK SESSION, MR. JAMESON. 
          UM, I WOULD JUST ALSO, I'LL THIRD, UH, MR. BILL'S CONCERNS AND MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT COMMUNICATIONS HAVE GONE ON ALREADY WITH THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. 
          WE'RE NOT REALLY PRIVY TO THAT 'CAUSE WE'RE NOT, THAT'S NOT BEING REPORTED TO US BY THE COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE. 
          UM, BUT AGAIN, AS, AS OTHERS HAVE SAID, I HOPE THIS, THIS DOES GET TREATED, UM, WITH SOME DETAIL. 
          AND THEN, AND THEN SOME FEEDBACK COMES BACK TO US ABOUT WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE, WHAT CAN BE DONE. 
          I'D SECOND MR. MO'S, UM, COMMENTS ABOUT THE AUDIT STATUS. 
          I THINK WE REALLY DO NEED TO HAVE SOME PUBLIC REPORTING ABOUT STATUS AND, UM, TIMING AND EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON THERE. 
          SO OTHER THAN THAT, NOTHING ELSE. 
          WELL, THANK YOU. 
          UM, SEVERAL THINGS. 
          AND TO START OFF, I DID ASK MRS. SHANKS TO, UH, BE HERE TO ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ON SEVERAL THINGS AND AS WELL AS, UM, ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. 
          UM, I'VE BEEN HEARING THIS WEEKEND ABOUT ISSUES WITH THE TAX BILLS THAT WENT OUT AND SHE'LL ADDRESS THOSE. 
          UM, SO I APPRECIATE THAT SHE'S HERE TO, TO BE ABLE TO ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS. 
          AND, UM, AS FAR AS THE AUDIT AND WHERE WE ARE WITH THAT AS WELL. 
          AND MRS. SCOTT'S HERE IF, IF SHE NEEDS ANY, UH, INPUT FROM HER AS WELL. 
          AND, UM, WE DO HAVE SEVERAL THINGS ON THE WORK SESSION THAT PEOPLE ARE WELCOME TO STAY. 
          UM, WE WILL BE HEARING FROM OUR NEW ECONOMIC, UH, DEVELOPMENT PERSON, UH, BE HAVING A TOURISM DISCUSSION AND, UM, THE SCHOOLS AND, UH, WARREN COUNTY'S MOUS, IF ANYONE'S IN INTERESTED IN THAT. 
          THE, UH, REVIEW OF THE EXEMPT PROPERTY TAX, TAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY AND, UM, HIGH TOP ROAD, WHICH IS, WE'VE HEARD A LOT ABOUT THE HOUSING THAT'S GOING UP THERE AND PEOPLE'S CONCERNS OF WELLS. 
          THAT'S GONNA BE A TOPIC AND TRANSFER BUDGET GUIDELINES. 
          SO LOUIS, WHEREVER YOU ARE, UH, I THINK THAT WILL HELP YOU OUT THERE TOO. 
          UM, FOR MY REPORT, I JUST WANNA SAY, I'LL GO THROUGH 'EM, TRY TO GO THROUGH 'EM QUICKLY. 
          BUT I ATTENDED BOTH THE HIGH SCHOOL SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL AND MOORE COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATIONS. 
          AS MUCH AS WE NEEDED THE RAIN, IT WOULD'VE BEEN NICE TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SUNSHINE. 
          BUT THESE STUDENTS POWERED THROUGH IT. 
          THE SCHOOL STAFF POWERED THROUGH IT. 
          UM, SKYLINE HAD THEIRS INDOORS AND EVERYONE PITCHED TOGETHER. 
          AND IT WAS, UM, ONE OF THE MORE UPLIFTING THE RAIN DIDN'T DAMPEN ANYONE. 
          AND WE ALL SET OUT IN THE POURING RAIN AT WARREN COUNTY. 
          UM, AND THOSE STUDENTS, I, I TOLD THEM WHEN I GAVE THE SCHOLARSHIP, I SAID, WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE IN THE RAIN, BUT YOU'RE WELL WORTH SITTING THERE IN THE RAIN FOR. 
          SO IT'S ALWAYS A PRIVILEGE TO GO TO BOTH OF THOSE. 
          UM, UH, ALSO SUPPORT FFA BINGO. 
          AND I SEE MS. MEADOWS HERE, WHO IS WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL'S, FFA TEACHER. 
          THEY HAD A PLANT. 
          BINGO. 
          IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN TO ANY OF THESE BINGO THINGS, YOU REALLY NEED TO GO. 
          IT SUPPORTS THE KIDS IN THE THINGS THEY'RE TRYING TO DO, GET TO CONVENTIONS AND THAT TYPE OF THING. 
          AND IT'S JUST A LOT OF FUN, UM, AS WELL. 
          AND, UM, ATTENDED AWARDS AND GRADUATIONS AT THE ELEMENTARY LEVEL. 
          MET, UM, WENT TO THE MEETING AT, UM, HANOCK SHENANDOAH AND WARREN COUNTY'S REGIONAL JAIL AND YOU KNOW, ABOUT THEIR BUDGET. 
          AND, UM, SO THAT'S ALWAYS INTERESTING. 
          WE, HOW MANY BUDGETS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH ON A MULTITUDE OF DIFFERENT LEVELS. 
          UM, WAS ATTENDED MAYOR CO RULE'S RETIREMENT, WHICH WAS A VERY NICE EVENT. 
          36 YEARS OF TEACHING SERVICE TO WARREN COUNTY, AS WELL AS HER PUBLIC SERVICES MAYOR AND MEMORIAL DAY. 
          I WANNA THANK MR. MCDOUGALL FOR PUTTING THAT ON. 
          THAT'S ALWAYS A WONDERFUL EVENT. 
          WE DON'T WANNA EVER FORGET THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED TO GIVE US THE FREEDOM 
          [01:45:01]
TO, TO BE AT MEETINGS LIKE THIS AND SPEAK YOUR PIECE. 
          UM, ALSO WANTED TO MENTION, AND BEFORE, AND I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A LONG TIME, BUT THIS HEIGHTS KIDS FOUNDATION IS, IS NEW IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS AND THEY'RE DOING A LOT TO HELP OUT UNDERPRIVILEGED AND HOMELESS CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND A MULTITUDE OF OTHER THINGS AS THIS GROUP HAS GROWN. 
          AND ONE OF THE THINGS THEY'RE DOING AS A HUGE, UM, FUNDRAISER IS DISCO DANCING. 
          UH, IT'S COMPETITION. 
          AND WE HAVE OUR OWN MR. HENDERSON, I SORRY, I BUT HAVE TO DO IT TO YOU. 
          I'M SUPPOSED TO BE HIS CHEERLEADER. 
          I'M FAILING AT THAT. 
          I WAS NEVER A CHEERLEADER IN SCHOOL, BUT I'M GONNA TRY TO DO BETTER. 
          I THINK MR. WHITLOW IS GONNA HELP ME WITH THE PART THAT I'D HAVE SO MUCH TROUBLE WITH TECHNOLOGY, BUT I HOPE THAT HE'S GONNA BRING THE BIG TROPHY, BUT HE'S GOT THE LITTLE ONE I'M GONNA GIVE HIM TO WORK TOWARDS THE BIG ONE. 
          SO I UNDERSTAND THE BIG ONE LOOKS JUST LIKE THAT. 
          ONLY MUCH MORE GLITTERY. 
          SO APPRECIATE HIM. 
          AND IF ANYBODY WANTS TO HELP HIM FINANCIALLY, THE MONEY ALWAYS HELPS GET YOU OVER THE LINE. 
          IT GETS HIM A LOT OF PERKS ON THE DANCING. 
          I DON'T UNDERSTAND IT ALL. 
          UM, THE LAST THING I WANTED TO BRING UP WAS OUR SECOND, UM, VIRGINIA TWO 50 EVENT PUT ON BY OUR TOURISM GROUP. 
          AND IF YOU DIDN'T GO, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL DAY WE HAD FOR THAT. 
          AND I WANNA GIVE THANKS TO MS. MEADOWS AND EVERYONE THAT'S WORKING ON THAT TOURISM COMMITTEE. 
          YOU GUYS EXECUTED THAT THING. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW WHERE ANYBODY COULD COMPLAIN ABOUT ANYTHING. 
          YOU COULD PARK AT S SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL, GET ON A TROLLEY THAT KEPT RUNNING TO TAKE YOU THERE. 
          YOU EVERYTHING WAS POSITIONED OUT. 
          IT WASN'T OVERLY CROWDED AND THERE WAS A LOT OF PEOPLE THERE HAVING A WONDERFUL TIME AND THERE WAS BUTTER MAKING ICE CREAM, MAKING ALL KINDS OF CRAFTS AND, UM, KIDS THINGS TO DO. 
          IT WAS JUST, I THOUGHT, A PERFECT EVENT. 
          AND I THINK EVEN, UM, YOU GOT THE REALLY CADILLAC VERSION BATHROOMS THAT EVERYONE, TWO EVENTS AND THAT'S BEEN THE BIG, ONE OF THE BIG TOPICS THAT IT WASN'T. 
          UM, THE BATHROOM FACILITIES WERE PERFECT. 
          SO JUST WANTED TO, UM, THANK YOU ALL THAT WORKED ON THAT SO HARD AND APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO. 
          DR. MARTIN, I'LL TURN IT OVER TO YOU. 
          SO BEFORE I GIVE MY REPORT, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK JANE MEADOWS TO COME FORWARD AND THE POLICE ARE BACK THERE IN CASE YOU DON'T WANT TO COME FORWARD. 
          EVEN SITTING IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM DOESN'T SAVE YOU. 
          YOU CAN GO RIGHT TO THE PODIUM. 
          DO I GET TO SUSTAIN? NO, NO, PLEASE DON'T. 
          . 
          SO, UH, THIS PAST SATURDAY THE COUNTY ENTERTAINED OVER 1000 INDIVIDUALS FOR THE FREEDOM FLOWS EVENT AT EASTERN PARK. 
          THIS EVENT INCLUDED ARTISANS THROUGHOUT THE REGION DEMONSTRATE DEMONSTRATING BUTTER, MAKING ICE CREAM, MAKING QUILT, MAKING WOOD SCULPTURES VIA A CHAINSAW, FOOD TRUCKS AX, THROWING GAMES FOR KIDS, A DUCK RACE, AND A HOST OF VENDORS CELEBRATING VA TWO 50. 
          IF YOU WERE LUCKY ENOUGH TO BE IN ATTENDANCE, YOU OBSERVED MULTIPLE SHUTTLES ASSISTING INDIVIDUALS IN PARKING AS WELL, AN EVENT THAT TOOK OVER THE ENTIRE PARK. 
          JANE, I'M NOT SURE HOW YOU DID IT, BUT THE WEATHER WAS PERFECT. 
          I KNOW FROM OBSERVATION THAT YOU DO NOT SEEK ACCOLADES FOR A JOB WELL, BUT DONE. 
          BUT THIS TIME YOU MUST, IT'S SCARY WHEN HE MIGHT PULL OUT . 
          HE'S GONNA HIT ME . 
          I WOULD LIKE . 
          I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE YOU AWESOME. 
          A RECOGNITION OF YOUR HARD WORK FOR THIS. 
          THE FREEDOM FLOWS FESTIVAL HONORARY PANEL. 
          THIS IS THE ONLY ONE. 
          AND HE SAYS, WITH YOUR INITIALS, THANK YOU. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          THERE ARE A FEW, FEW PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE. 
          IF MICHAEL WHITLOW, ZACH LEE MEADOWS, CAN YOU COME UP? COME DOWN. 
          SORRY, ZACH. 
          [01:50:02]
SO NONE OF THESE EVENTS WOULD HAPPEN WITHOUT THE TOURISM COMMITTEE. 
          I WISH TIFFANY WERE HERE. 
          UM, THE NUMBER OF VOLUNTEER HOURS I DON'T EVEN WANNA KEEP TRACK OF. 
          I'M AFRAID TO. 
          UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT REALLY NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT A COLLABORATIVE APPROACH. 
          AND WE'VE BEEN VERY LUCKY. 
          THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO LIZZIE WAS LIKE, I HAVE TO GO TO WORK, BUT HERE, LIKE SHE'S RUNNING IN AHEAD OF TIME. 
          SO IT'S GREAT TO SEE THE TOWN AND COUNTY WORKING TOGETHER. 
          UM, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE'VE BEEN VERY APPRECIATIVE OF AND WE'RE EXCITED TO CONTINUE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. 
          YEAH, THE MAYOR AND I WALKED AROUND TOGETHER AND WE JUST, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A GREAT EVENT. 
          IT REALLY WAS. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THOSE FROM THE TOWNSIDE AS WELL. 
          'CAUSE I BELIEVE I WAS GONNA SAY MR. PETTY IS THERE. 
          YES, ? YES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          AND I WON'T LOOKING FORWARD TO THE NEXT ONE, , WHICH IS YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF A BREAK BETWEEN NOW AND THE FALL. 
          NOT REALLY. 
          WE'VE GOT A FEW OTHER THINGS. 
          THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT EVENTS COMING UP. 
          THERE'S A HAMILTON POOL AND MOVIE NIGHT AT, UM, OUR POOL ON THE 25TH OF JUNE. 
          SO THEY'LL BE VIEWING THE MOVIE HAMILTON WHILE IN THE POOL. 
          SO IT'LL BE A FUN ONE. 
          UM, WE'LL BE UPDATING KIND OF THE EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON. 
          WE WANNA KEEP THE MOMENTUM GOING AND WE'RE EXCITED TO SEE, UM, THE PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING OUT AND THAT WE'RE TAPPING INTO OTHER MARKETS AND THEY'RE SHOWING UP. 
          SO WE'RE VERY EXCITED. 
          I UNDERSTAND, UM, A LOT OF THE PEOPLE, 'CAUSE DR. MARTIN WORKED ONE OF THE ENTRANCE BOOTHS THAT THE DIGITAL MARKETING WAS HOW PEOPLE HEARD FROM IT'S WORKING. 
          SO YEAH, I'M BEGINNING TO LEARN THE VALUE OF THAT . 
          VERY VALUABLE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EVEN THOUGH I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DO IT. 
          , THANK YOU. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          SO AS I BEGIN MY REPORT, THAT WAS ONLY FOR PART ONE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          UH, I WOULD LIKE TO REFLECT AGAIN ON THE EVENT OF THIS PAST SATURDAY AT EASTERN PARK FREEDOM FLOWS. 
          I ASKED JANE EARLY IN THE WEEK, WHAT COULD I DO TO HELP? WELL, SHE SAID FOR ME TO SHOW UP AROUND NINE O'CLOCK AND SHE WOULD PUT ME TO WORK. 
          WELL, I DID JUST THAT AND I WAS IN CHARGE OF PUTTING OUT THE TRAFFIC CONES AND ESTABLISHING A MULTITUDE OF HANDICAPPED PARKING SPACE. 
          NEXT, I ASSISTED IN DELIVERING ICE AND OTHER ITEMS BEFORE I ARRIVED AT MY PERMANENT STATION, ALONGSIDE THE WELCOME TENT, GIVING AWAY THE MOST FABULOUS COOKIES AND CUPCAKES FROM GARCIA AND GUAVANO, A BAKERY AND DOWNTOWN FRONT ROYAL. 
          THIS WAS THE PERFECT SPOT FOR ME TO OBSERVE TOURISM AT ITS BEST. 
          EVERYONE THAT CAME BY THE TENT THOUGHT THAT I MADE THE BEST COOKIES AND CUPCAKES. 
          I REMINDED THEM QUICKLY THAT GARCIA AND GUAVANO WERE TERRIFIC PARTNERS FOR THIS EVENT. 
          DURING THE COURSE OF THE DAY, I COULD ALMOST TELL WHO MIGHT BE A RESIDENT OF THE SURROUNDING COUNTY AND WHO WASN'T. 
          I HAD SEVERAL CONVERSATIONS WITH COUPLES FROM OUTSIDE THE COUNTY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE ONE WITH YOU. 
          A YOUNG COUPLE TASTED THE COOKIES AND WANTED TO KNOW WHERE TO BUY MORE. 
          OF COURSE, I DIRECTED THEM TO MAIN STREET. 
          I THEN ASKED WHERE THEY WERE FROM. 
          THE RESPONSE WAS FALSE CHURCH, WHICH LED TO THE NEXT QUESTION. 
          HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THIS EVENT? THE RESPONSE, SOCIAL MEDIA? AS THE CONVERSATION CONTINUED, THEY ASKED ME ABOUT FOLLOW UP EVENTS AND ATTRACTIONS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA, UH, BECAUSE THEY WERE GLAD TO HAVE FOUND SUCH A PLACE LIKE FRONT ROYAL AND WARREN COUNTY. 
          THE FINAL QUESTION AND THE MOST IMPORTANT, WHAT MADE THE PEOPLE OF, WELL, THEY ASK ME, WHAT MADE THE PEOPLE SO FRIENDLY IN THIS AREA? EVERYONE HAS BEEN SO WELCOMING AND KIND. 
          WELL, I WALKED AWAY SAYING, WOW, WHAT AN ENDORSEMENT FOR THIS COMMUNITY. 
          SIMPLY BY SHOWING HOSPITALITY AND BEING FRIENDLY. 
          I SPENT THE AFTERNOON WITH SIMILAR CONVERSATIONS AND HERE ARE A COUPLE OF THINGS I LEARNED ABOUT TOURISM BASED ON MY OBSERVATION FROM THIS EVENT. 
          ONE, PEOPLE PAY ATTENTION TO SOCIAL MEDIA AND LOOK FOR NEW EXPERIENCES WITHIN AN HOUR OR SO FROM THEIR HOME. 
          TWO, WHAT MATTERS MORE THAN JUST GETTING PEOPLE TO THE AREA IS HOW THEY ARE TREATED ONCE THEY COME INTO OUR COMMUNITY. 
          AND FINALLY, THE MOST IMPORTANT, THE FIRST TWO THINGS COST PRACTICALLY NOTHING AND MAKE THE TOURISM EXPERIENCE HERE IN WARREN COUNTY IN FRONT ROYAL PRICELESS. 
          SO WHY HAVE I SHARED THIS EXPERIENCE AT OUR WORK SESSION TODAY? WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TOURISM AND DETERMINE THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY BEFORE OUR JOINT MEETING WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL ON THURSDAY. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST A, A POSTPONEMENT OF THIS DISCUSSION. 
          WHY? WELL, YOU'RE GONNA FIND OUT LATER, JANE 
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AND SOME OTHER TOURISM COMMITTEE MEMBERS HAD A MEETING WITH KELLY WEAVER, WHO IS THE DESTINATION DEVELOPMENT MANAGER WITH THE VIRGINIA TOURISM CORPORATION VTC AT THE AIRPORT THIS PAST FRIDAY. 
          IT WAS DURING THIS CONVERSATION KELLY OFFERED TO CONDUCT A STRATEGIC PLANNING SESSION WITH THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. 
          THIS IS A FREE SERVICE OFFERED BY THE VTC. 
          WHAT A PERFECT OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A THIRD PARTY WHO HAS NO TIES TO THIS COMMUNITY FACILITATES SUCH A DISCUSSION TO DETERMINE THE TOURISM NEEDS OF THE COUNTY BEFORE SITTING DOWN IN A JOINT MEETING WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. 
          AS THE CONVERSATION CONTINUED, WE LEARNED THAT THE VTC HAS AN INDIVIDUAL WITH EXPERTISE IN SPORTS TOURISM. 
          AGAIN, ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY AS WE BEGIN TO EXPLORE THE POSSIBILITY OF SPORTS TOURISM AT ROCKLAND PARK. 
          AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT DURING OUR WORK SESSION, JANE IS GOING TO DESCRIBE THE CONVERSATION THAT SHE HAD WITH KELLY OVER THE PAST SEVERAL WEEKS. 
          MULTIPLE DISCUSSIONS HAVE OCCURRED FROM MANY PERSPECTIVES. 
          JANE AND I, ALONG WITH THE TOWN MANAGER AND THE TOURISM DIRECTOR FOR THE TOWN HAVE MET ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS. 
          WE HAVE SUSPENDED THOSE MEETINGS BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT AS, UM, MR. CARTER HAS STATED, WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE A WORK SESSION ON THE IDEA OF WHAT DOES WARREN COUNTY WANT OUT OF TOURISM. 
          AND THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY I THINK THAT KIND OF FELL INTO OUR LAP, THAT A THIRD PARTY COULD COME IN AND HELP US DETERMINE THAT. 
          STRATEGICALLY. 
          MOVING ON. 
          THIS PAST PAST WEEK, I MADE AN OFFER TO KELLY WALL AS THE NEW DIRECTOR OF PLANNING. 
          SHE HAS DONE A SPECTACULAR JOB. 
          SHE HAS DONE A SPECTACULAR JOB IN PREVIOUS MONTHS DOING MANY OTHER JOBS IN THE PLANNING AND ZONING DEPARTMENT. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO FILLING POSITIONS IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND IT MOVING FORWARD. 
          UNDER HER LEADERSHIP, PATRICK BARKER HAS AGREED TO BE THE NEW DIRECTOR OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR THE COUNTY. 
          YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM HIM THIS AFTERNOON AND THE WORK SESSION. 
          HE WILL ALSO BE EXPLORING WAYS IN WHICH TO PARTNER WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR SIMILAR INTERESTS IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT REALM. 
          HE COMES TO US WITH A WEALTH OF EXPERIENCE FROM FREDERICK COUNTY. 
          UH, AGAIN, YOU WILL HEAR MORE FROM PATRICK DURING THE WORK SESSION, WHICH FOLLOWS THE MEETING. 
          HE WILL OUTLINE A PLAN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, A DRAFT PLAN OVER THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. 
          THAT CONCLUDES MY REPORT. 
          THANK YOU AND CONGRATULATIONS MRS. WALL. 
          I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO, TO WORK WITH YOU. 
          I THINK YOU'RE DOING AN EXCELLENT JOB AND WELCOME MR. BARKER. 
          LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH YOU AND, UM, HEARING YOUR STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          MR. HAM, ANY REPORT? UM, CONGRATULATIONS TO KELLY. 
          WELL DESERVED AND I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING, CONTINUING WORKING WITH HER AND TO BE STARTING TO WORKING WITH, UH, MR. BROWNS. 
          WELL, I HAVE NO OTHER REPORT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT, APPROVAL OF MINUTES. 
          [J. Approval of Minutes  ]
MAY 19TH, THE REGULAR MEETING. 
          EXCUSE ME, MADAM CHAIR. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          COULD I ASK A QUICK CLARIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR? DID, DID YOU SAY REMOVE TOURISM FROM THE WORK SESSION OR REMOVE THE THURSDAY JOINT MEETING? UH, PENDING THIS CTA GATHERING AND I'M, UH, WHAT I'M SUGGESTING IS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEET IN A SESSION WITH KELLY TO DEVELOP THE, UM, STRATEGIC PLAN AND THEN MEET WITH THE TOWN. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU, THE CHANGE YOU PROPOSED WAS THURSDAY, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I THINK TO THURSDAY AND TODAY. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL, YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A MEETING TODAY, UH, ON TOURISM BECAUSE WE NEED TO UPDATE YOU FURTHER ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT JANE HAD AS WELL. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY IT'D BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT AT THE WORK SESSION. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, UM, MAY 19TH, REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. 
          ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS, DELETIONS, CORRECTIONS, HEARING NONE. 
          IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN. 
          MAYOR AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          CONSENT 
          [K. Consent Agenda ]
          [02:00:01]
AGENDA. 
          I HAD THE THOUGHT OF PULLING THEM ALL FOR DISCUSSION. 
          IS THERE ANYONE THAT, UM, I'M SORRY. 
          PULLING WHAT? PULLING ALL OF THEM. 
          PULLING ALL OF THEM. 
          1, 2, 3, AND FOUR. 
          SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO THE FIRST ONE 
          [K.1. Contract Renewal - BFI Waste Services, LLC DBA Republic Services of Winchester - Alisa Scott, Finance  Director, Mike Berry, Public Works Director ]
IS CONTRACT RENEWAL FOR BFI WASTE SERVICES AND THAT'S, UM, MR. BARRY AND MRS. SCOTT. 
          SO BASICALLY, UM, I KNOW WE'VE BEEN WITH BFI FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS AND THIS CONTRACT IS, IS THERE ONE YEAR RENEWAL? IS THAT WHAT'S UP? AND WE NEED TO START BACK, RIGHT? IF YOU COULD JUST KIND OF WALK US THROUGH IT AND WITH THE PRICING AND SO FORTH. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          UM, I THINK YOU HAVE YOUR PRICE PROPOSALS. 
          THE LAST TIME THAT WE WENT OUT TO BID, UM, IT WAS, UH, DESIGNATED. 
          WE HAD IT BROKEN DOWN. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR SHEETS IN THERE, IT SHOWS YOU EACH COMPACTOR LOCATION GIVES YOU AVERAGE POOLS PER WEEK. 
          UH, UNIT COST PER PULL, WHICH THEY'RE TYPICALLY BASED ON MILEAGE AND THEN AN ESTIMATED COST FOR THE YEAR. 
          UM, THE ONLY CHANGE THAT I SAW, THE ONE THAT, I GUESS IT'D BE ATTACHMENT G YOU KNOW, I MEAN IN THE LAST YEAR PROBABLY COOLEY'S BEEN MORE OF A SEVEN PLUS A WEEK. 
          UM, WE, WE PULL AT LEAST A CONTAINER A DAY, EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT OPEN ALL DAY ON WEDNESDAY OR ON UH, SUNDAY. 
          AND THEN TRANSFER STATION. 
          I, I MEAN THAT'S TRENDED UP A LITTLE BIT ABOUT 25 PLUS, UM, EACH WEEK. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, YOU GO UP, WE HAVE HISTORICALLY WENT UP, UM, UP TO 5%, YOU KNOW, ANNUALLY OVER THE YEARS THAT I'VE BEEN HERE WITH THE COUNTY. 
          IT REALLY JUST DEPENDS ON THE ECONOMY AND, YOU KNOW, THERE IS, UH, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE TRANSFER FEE TO PAGE COUNTY AT THE BOTTOM OF THAT PAGE. 
          AND ALSO, YOU KNOW, UM, IN THE LAST, I MEAN LIKE EVERYONE, THEY HAVE TROUBLE. 
          WE'RE GETTING FOLKS ON WEEKENDS. 
          SO THERE IS A UPCHARGE ON SUNDAYS. 
          IF WE HAVE TO DO A SERVICE, WHICH WE OFTEN DO, UM, OPEN TOP SPECIAL EVENTS, WE DO HAVE, UH, DESIGNATED FEES FOR THOSE. 
          WE HAVE PRICE PROPOSALS FOR, UM, YOU KNOW, WITH, WHICH SHOWS YOU THE ANNUAL POOLS AS WELL. 
          UM, AND THEN THE, UM, YOU KNOW, THE RECYCLING AND, AND WHERE THEY GO. 
          AND THE LOCATION, AGAIN, IT'S BASED ON MILEAGE. 
          IT COSTS MORE TO GO TO PAGE COUNTY THAN IT DOES, UM, BACK TO WINCHESTER ON THEIR WAY HOME. 
          I CAN READ EACH ONE OF THOSE RATES IF YOU'D LIKE ME TO, BUT I GUESS IT'D BE BETTER TO JUST ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE IN REGARDS TO WHATEVER'S ON YOUR MIND THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO WITH TOTALING UP ALL THE POOLS, THAT'S AN AVERAGE THEY USE AND THAT IS THE YEARLY RATE THAT TOTAL OF 2 72, 8 71 60. 
          IT WOULD FLUCTUATE, I GUESS IF THE POOLS BECOME MORE OR IS THAT SOLID? THAT'S NOT SOLID. 
          NO. 
          THAT'S GONNA, THAT'S GONNA FLUCTUATE BASED ON THE NUMBER OF POOLS THAT WE HAVE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT COMES DOWN, SOME OF THAT'LL COME DOWN LIKE A TRANSFER STATION. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU HAVE MORE PEOPLE COME IN IF YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, MORE PEOPLE CLEANING OUT THEIR GARAGES OR YOU KNOW, IT'S KIND OF LIKE BRUSH, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE A NATURAL DISASTER, A HEAVY WINTER, WE GET MORE IN THAT ACTUALLY GOES IN OUR RECYCLING CHARGES, WHICH IS SEPARATE FROM THEM. 
          BUT, UM, NO, IT WILL NOT SHOW EVERYTHING. 
          I MEAN, YOU HAVE, YOU CAN SEE THE OPEN TOPS AND SPECIAL EVENTS. 
          I MEAN, THAT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, IF WE, THE COUNTY SAYS, HEY, WE'RE GONNA TEAR DOWN THIS BUILDING AND WE PULL IN CANS, THEN THERE'S GONNA BE A CHARGE FOR THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WHICH WE DO GET REQUESTS. 
          WE HAD ONE RECENTLY. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD AN OFFICIAL REQUEST, BUT SOMETIMES IT WILL BE, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE A BIG ONE LIKE HABITAT FOR HUMANITY, SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          UM, THAT COULD BE A REAL BIG EXPENSE THAT, UM, WE'RE NOT ANTICIPATING. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE KEEP TRACK OF THE NUMBER OF POOLS AND WE DO. 
          YES, MA'AM. 
          YOU, I CAN TELL YOU IF YOU WANT ME TO, WHAT WE DID. 
          NO, I JUST, YOU KNOW, WANT PUBLIC TO KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, SO WE TRACKED THE, THE, THE TONNAGE THAT WE, WE SHIP DOWN THE ROAD. 
          'CAUSE YOU KNOW, THE TRUCK DRIVERS, THEY DON'T WANNA GET IN TROUBLE. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE MONITORING THAT AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING EACH MONTH. 
          I MEAN, ONE OF THE GOALS ON THE FLOOR, YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET NEW OPERATORS SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE NOT AS GOOD AS GUYS HAVE BEEN SEASONED FOREVER. 
          BUT, UM, WE'VE BEEN LUCKY. 
          OUR OPERATORS, YOU KNOW, MAINTAIN GOOD AVERAGES AND, AND UM, YOU KNOW, OCCASIONALLY SOMEBODY WILL OVERLOAD ONE, BUT WE SEND THEM BACK TO THE FLOOR. 
          BUT WE DO MONITOR, 
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YOU KNOW, THE LEVELS AND THE LIMITS AND I CAN SEND YOU REPORTS, YOU KNOW, IF YOU WOULD LIKE THEM ANNUALLY ON, YOU KNOW, THE TOTAL NUMBER OF POOLS AT EACH LOCATION. 
          I CAN TELL YOU, UM, EXACTLY WHAT THEY ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, EACH YEAR. 
          OKAY. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR OKAY, I JUST WANTED TO, YOU KNOW, TO, TO PULL IT FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND. 
          I MEAN, TRASH IS EXPENSIVE. 
          UNFORTUNATELY. 
          IT IS, IT IS. 
          I'LL PROBABLY BE, I MEAN, IT'S BEEN A FEW YEARS SINCE, BUT WE, WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL OUR LOADER, IT'LL PROBABLY BE COMING UP FOR A REPLACEMENT BEFORE YOU KNOW IT. 
          AND UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AND, YOU KNOW, WE CAN'T LIVE WITHOUT. 
          UM, SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S GOOD TO GET UP HERE AND TALK TRASH EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE. 
          UM, AND THIS WILL BE, WE RENEW AT THIS TIME AND THEN WE WILL NEXT YEAR IT WILL BE A RENEWAL, AUTOMATIC RENEWAL IF EVERYBODY AGREES ON IT. 
          IF EVERYTHING FOR WHAT, FIVE YEARS? I THINK I SAW. 
          YEAH, WE USUALLY DO. 
          YEP. 
          FIVE YEARS. 
          ALRIGHT, I HAD A QUESTION ALONG THESE LINES, I GUESS. 
          UM, I KNOW, AND THIS IS ABOUT RECYCLING AND I KNOW YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS AGO, I THINK THE STATE MANDATED THAT LOCALITIES HAD TO REDUCE THEIR LANDFILL WASTE BY 35%. 
          I WOULD ASSUME THAT'S STILL IN EFFECT. 
          25. 
          25 NOW WAS THE LOCALITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THE LOCALITIES, UH, THAT WAS REGULATORY. 
          IT STILL IS, BUT NOT THE LANDFILL ITSELF, BUT THE WHOLE COUNTY. 
          AND THEY, OKAY, SO WHAT ARE THEY REDUCING BY 25%? SO WE HAVE TO, WE'RE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO HIT A 25% RECYCLE RATE ON THE WASTE THAT IS, IS RECEIVED IN THE COUNTY VERSUS LOOK WHAT WHAT WE LANDFILL VERSUS THE, THE WASTE THAT COULD BE LANDFILLED. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IT EXCLUDES INDUSTRIAL WASTE, LIKE PROCESS WASTE, BUT LIKE A A, YOU KNOW, A RESTAURANT THAT HAS GREASE OR CARDBOARD THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED. 
          UM, WE, WE, WE SEND, UH, WELL ACTUALLY SHELLY DOES IN THE OFFICE, SHE'LL SEND OUT A, UH, A FORM AND ASK ALL OF THE BUSINESSES IN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY TO LET US KNOW WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          AND YOU KNOW, IF THEY, IF THEY FIT THE MOLD, THEY'RE NOT AN INDUSTRIAL PROCESS LIKE EXALTA, WE CAN'T CLAIM EVERYTHING THEY DO. 
          UM, 'CAUSE THEY DO RECYCLE A LOT OF THEIR MATERIALS. 
          BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE ARBY'S OR SOMETHING, RECYCLING CARDBOARD, THAT'LL BE, THAT COULD GET TO THE LANDFILL. 
          BUT IT HAS NOT THAT WE WOULD CLAIM THAT AND WE ALWAYS, UH, GO WELL BEYOND THE 25%. 
          THAT'S GOOD. 
          BUT THEN I THINK ALSO, I KNOW AGAIN, BACK IN THE DAY THERE WERE MARKETS FOR JUST ABOUT ALL RECYCLABLES. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S DRIED UP SOME. 
          AND I THINK FROM WHAT IT PAYS, THE, THE, THE ALUMINUM PROBABLY IS THE BEST MONEYMAKER, RIGHT? RE REBATE. 
          WE USED TO GET REBATES WHEN I STARTED, WHEN EVERYTHING, AND THAT'S NO LONGER, I MEAN THERE USED TO BE GUYS THAT WE WOULD SE SEPARATE NEWSPAPER THAT'S NOT HERE ANYMORE. 
          UM, WE DO GET PAID FOR THE METAL, SCRAP METAL. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND WE GET PAID FOR ALUMINUM. 
          UM, BUT THERE'S STILL A COST OF DOING BUSINESS AND PULLING THE CANS, WHICH IS IN THIS PACKAGE THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING TODAY. 
          SO, IN EFFECT, AND I'M NOT PROMOTING THIS, BUT IT'S OBVIOUSLY ECO-FRIENDLY TO RECYCLE. 
          YES, SIR. 
          BUT IN THE LONG RUN, IT'S ACTUALLY COSTING US MONEY TO DO SO. 
          YES. 
          AND THAT'S OKAY. 
          YEAH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          BUT THE ONE THING TOO IS, AND, AND I, AND OBVIOUSLY THE ONE THAT FILLS UP THE MOST IS THE CARDBOARD, UH, FOR THIS HIGH VOLUME. 
          BUT I, I I, I, I GOT SOME EMAIL FROM SOME TOWN RESIDENT AND THEY WERE SAYING THAT THE TOWN WAS NO LONGER RECYCLING PIZZA BOXES AND SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S BEYOND THEIR CONTROL. 
          BUT ARE YOU AWARE OF THE TOWN STILL TAKING ALL SORTS OF RECYCLABLES? I KNOW MR. PETTY'S SITTING HERE, BUT I KNOW THE TOWN DOES TAKE RECYCLABLES. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, PIZZA BOXES IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK IF IT'S DIRTY, IT'S LIKELY TO BE DIRTY. 
          THAT'S A IF IF, IF YOU HAVE A CLEAN FLOW. 
          THEY DON'T WANT ANYTHING THAT'S MARRED UP WITH FOOD. 
          NO, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, FOR THE COUNTY, I MEAN, WE WOULD WANT THE PIZZA BOX TO BE CLEAN, BUT IF IT'S NOT NASTY, YOU COULD PUT IT IN WITH THE CARDBOARD OR MIXED PAPER DEPENDING ON THE TYPE OF BOX. 
          RIGHT. 
          I DON'T WANNA GET MYSELF IN TROUBLE. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          YEP. 
          MS. SCOTT, DID YOU WANNA ADD ANYTHING? YES, MA'AM. 
          JUST A QUICK CLARIFICATION ON THE TERM OF THE CONTRACT. 
          IT'S FOR 12 MONTHS AND THIS IS THE, IT'S LIKE A RENEWAL. 
          SO THIS IS A, A CONTRACT PERIOD OF 10 YEARS. 
          ACTUALLY, IT'S ONE OF OUR LONGER, LONGER CONTRACTS. 
          THERE'S NOT, UH, ONLY BUT TWO VENDORS WHO PROVIDE THIS TYPE OF SERVICE. 
          SO, OKAY. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE I SAW FIVE, BUT THANK YOU FOR CORRECTING ME ON. 
          YEAH, THAT'S TYPICALLY THE, THE TERM OF OUR CONTRACTS IS, IS THREE TO FIVE YEARS. 
          I BELIEVE THE REASON WHY THIS IS NOT AN AUTOMATIC RENEWAL IS BECAUSE THERE'S A CPU ATTACHED TO IT, WHICH COULD BE DEPENDENT 
          [02:10:01]
UPON THE BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS AND WHAT THAT NUMBER IS. 
          SO I BELIEVE ON, UH, ADVICE FROM THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO REVIEW THIS EVERY YEAR FOR THE AMENDMENT, JUST TO KNOW WHAT THAT COST IS. 
          AND THEN OF COURSE, YOU'LL SEE THAT IN THE ACTUALS, IN THE EXPENDITURES FOR THE HAULING. 
          SO JUST A LITTLE BIT OF CLARIFICATION ON THAT. 
          ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. SCOTT? OKAY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          UM, MR. BROGAN, I KNOW THIS IS CLUTTON DRIVE, BUT YES. 
          DO WE HAVE TO GO AHEAD AND VOTE ON THIS? UH, WE CAN DO, DO YOU WANNA DO 'EM INDIVIDUALLY OR DO IT INDIVIDUALLY? OKAY. 
          TALK ABOUT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WELL, I CALL 'EM ALL OUT AT ONCE. 
          THAT'S WHY I WAS KINDA LIKE, UM, IS THERE A MOTION ON THE CONTRACT RENEWAL? I'LL MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE AMENDMENT NUMBER TWO TO THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA AND BFI WASTE SERVICES LLC WITH SUCH CHARGES AS APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISOR, THE CHAIR, AND THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EITHER OF WHOM MAY ACT TO EXECUTE ALL NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON. 
          AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          THE 
          [K.2. Warren County Sheriff's Office - Patrick Leahy Ballistic Vest Grant Program ]
BALLISTIC VEST. 
          GRANT, APPRECIATE THE WORK YOU DO TRYING TO GET GRANTS AND YOU JUST GIVE US A QUICK OVERVIEW OF, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PART AND SO FORTH. 
          SURE. 
          THIS IS THE, THE PATRICK LEAHY BALLISTIC VEST GRANT PROGRAM. 
          UM, WE TYPICALLY APPLY FOR IT EVERY YEAR. 
          UM, THIS YEAR WE APPLIED AND WE WERE AWARDED, UH, IT'S ALMOST A 50 50% MATCH. 
          UM, WE WERE ABLE TO OBTAIN $14,776. 
          UM, SO THAT'LL ROUGHLY PAY FOR THE HALF OF 29 VESTS. 
          SO, UM, EACH VEST COSTS APPROXIMATELY $1,040 A PIECE, DEPENDING UPON WHICH VENDOR CAN GET IT TO US THE QUICKEST AND THE NEED. 
          UM, THEY ARE, THEY EXPIRE IN FIVE YEARS. 
          UM, SO IF SOMEONE WERE TO LEAVE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, WE TRY TO KEEP THEM, UH, TO SEE IF IT FITS SOMEONE ELSE. 
          THEY ARE MEASURED PER DEPUTY, UM, BUT SOMETIMES WE CAN MAKE THEM WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE AT LEAST SHORT TERM, IF NOTHING ELSE. 
          YES. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY QUESTIONS OF MR. ROGAN ON THIS OR, I'M SORRY, CAPTAIN BERGEN. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          I KEEP FORGETTING YOU GUYS WHAT RANK YOU'RE AT, THOSE NO PROBLEM. 
          IF NO QUESTIONS, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS? UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVES THE ACCEPTANCE OF THIS GRANT AND APP APPRO APPROPRIATES $14,767 AND 78 CENTS INTO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE GRANT ITEM BUDGET LINE FOR FISCAL YEAR 2026. 
          AND IF NOT SPENT IN 2026, APPROVE THAT ANY REMAINING FUNDS BE APPROPRIATED TO THE FISCAL YEAR 2027. 
          BUDGET IS YOUR SECOND, SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADDEN CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, DOES ANYONE MIND, SINCE MRS. SHANKS IS NOT IN THE ROOM, IF WE SKIP OVER FOUR, THREE AND GO TO FOUR SINCE MS. SHIFFLET IS HERE, AND THEN WE CAN COME BACK TO THREE, THAT'S FINE. 
          SURE. 
          THE WARRANT 
          [K.4. Warren Coalition - Landlord's Release & Consent ]
COALITIONS LANDLORD RELE, UM, RELEASE AND CONSENT, AND I THINK WE DID THIS LAST YEAR. 
          ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT CAME UP, AND THE REASON I PULLED IT WAS THE PART ABOUT ASSETS, AND IT SEEMED LIKE THERE WERE QUESTIONS AS TO WHAT ASSETS AND SO FORTH, SO I JUST WANTED THAT TO BE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC. 
          UM, ON THESE ARE, AND IF YOU WANNA COME UP, THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL OWNED COALITION ASSETS THAT THEY'RE EVALUATING. 
          NOT ANYTHING TO DO WITH WARREN COUNTY OWNED. 
          NO. 
          THIS IS THEM COMING IN TO TAKE OUR BOOKSHELVES, OUR DESKS, OUR COMPUTERS, WHATEVER IT IS THAT, UM, IF WE DON'T PAY THE LINE, I WILL SAY THIS WAS THE FIRST YEAR WE'VE EVER HAD TO HAVE A LINE OF CREDIT. 
          UM, WE HAVE ONE GRANT WE CAN DRAW FROM RIGHT NOW, AND EVERYTHING ELSE IS REIMBURSEMENT AND SOME OF THOSE REIMBURSEMENTS ARE UP TO 120 DAYS. 
          UM, WE GOT EXCEPTIONAL REVIEWS FROM THE BANK FOR OUR FIRST YEAR THROUGH. 
          IN FACT, THEY, THEY 
          [02:15:01]
EVEN LET US CARRY THREE MONTHS BEFORE THEY APPROVED US AGAIN BECAUSE WE'VE DONE SO WELL. 
          UM, SO KNOCK WOOD, UM, I, I ANTICIPATE ALL WILL BE WELL, BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ASSETS OF THE COUNTY. 
          JUST, UM, JUST BEING ABLE TO ACCESS OUR, OUR, UM, OUR GOODS THERE. 
          UM, AND MR. HAM HAD LOOKED OVER THAT AND THE THINGS LAST YEAR WHEN HE DID IT, THE THINGS THAT HE DISAGREED WITH THAT HE THOUGHT WERE DETRIMENTAL TO YOU ALL HAD CROSSED OUT AND THE BANK WAS FINE WITH THAT AND SIGNED OFF ON, YOU KNOW, THE THINGS THAT THEY THOUGHT WEREN'T IN Y'ALL'S BEST INTEREST. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? YEAH, THERE, THERE WAS A SIMILAR QUESTION, MAYBE FROM THE SAME CONSTITUENT ABOUT ACCESS TO THE BUILDING. 
          WOULD THE, WOULD THE BANK HAVE KEYS OR, OR, OR, OR KEY FOBS TO GET INTO THE BUILDING WHENEVER THEY WANTED TO? WE DON'T HAVE KEYS. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          OKAY. 
          THE BANK CERTAINLY WILL NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          UNDERSTOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          . 
          UM, AND THEN I, THERE WAS A, A QUESTION ALSO ABOUT INDEMNITY AND I, I I THINK IT WAS JUST, YOU KNOW, WOULD THE COUNTY BE INDEMNIFIED AGAINST ANYTHING IF, IF THE COLLATERAL WASN'T SUFFICIENT? I, I THINK THAT'S MAYBE A, A QUESTION FOR THE COUNTY ATTORNEY, BUT, UM, I CAN'T ANSWER THAT THIS AGREEMENT DOESN'T PROVIDE FOR INDEMNITY. 
          UM, I, I DON'T MEAN ANY OFFENSE TO THE WARREN COALITION, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW THE VALUE OF THEIR ASSETS AS TO THE VALUE OF SUCH INDEMNITY. 
          BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT THIS LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT AS PRESENTED BY THE BANK, ABSOLUTELY DID INCLUDE ASSETS OF WARREN COUNTY, INCLUDING ITS LEASE RIGHTS AND THAT'S ALL BEEN TAKEN OUT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO COLLATERAL IS THE BORROWERS, WHICH IS, WE'RE NOT A BORROWER PERSONAL PROPERTY IN WHICH THE LENDER HAS ACQUIRED OR WILL ACQUIRE A SECURITY INTEREST. 
          SO IT'S NOT OUR PROPERTY. 
          UM, BUT NO, IT DOES NOT INCLUDE INDEMNITY. 
          UM, AND, AND WE COULD PUT THAT IN THERE IF YOU WANTED TO. 
          UH, AGAIN, I, YOU KNOW, IF IT, IF IT WAS AN AGREEMENT WITH FRONT ROYAL, THAT MIGHT MIGHT BE SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANT TO HAVE. 
          IF IT'S AN AGREEMENT WITH A CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION THAT, YOU KNOW, PROBABLY DOESN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT OF ASSETS TO HAVE INDEMNITY AGAINST, AND COMBINED WITH THE FACT THAT I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY RISK HERE. 
          I MEAN, THE BANK'S GOT NO BASIS TO COME AGAINST THE COUNTY. 
          YEAH, I, I THINK IT'S FINE FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, BUT I JUST WANTED TO HEAR THAT. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR BE AUTHORIZED TO EXECUTE THE LANDLORD'S RELEASE AND CONSENT WITH SUCH CHANGES AS ARE RECOMMENDED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL. 
          MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU AND THANK YOU FOR ALL YOU DO FOR THE KIDS HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          LUCK, MADAM CHAIRMAN AND THE BOARD, UH, THE TREASURY IS COMING. 
          UH, WE HAD A CITIZEN THAT HAD A MEDICAL EPISODE IN THE HALLWAY. 
          UH, SHE STARTED ATTENDING TO THAT PERT AND NOW I'VE TAKEN UP RESIDUE TO HELP HER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, SO SHE SHOULD BE HERE MOMENTARILY. 
          I THINK SHE'S JUST WENT TO GET SOME PAPERWORK. 
          THAT SOUNDS LIKE A RESTROOM BREAK FOR ME, IF THAT'S OKAY? YEP, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, WE'LL BREAK UNTIL SHE GETS OH, SHE, I'M STILL GET MY, OKAY. 
          YOU STILL GET FIVE MINUTES? ALL RIGHTY. 
          I THINK MRS. SHANKS IS HERE. 
          SO WE'LL GET TO THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION, 
          [K.3. Contract Modification  - Berry Dunn ]
UM, WITH BARRY DUN. 
          AND IF YOU COULD GIVE US, UM, BETWEEN YOU AND MRS. SCOTT AN IDEA OF WHERE WE ARE, WHY, UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR THIS AND SO FORTH. 
          I APPRECIATE IT. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          THIS WAS INCLUDED IN THE APRIL 22ND BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SPECIAL MEETING. 
          UH, THE WARREN COUNTY TREASURER PRESENTED THE CONTRACT AND BUDGET FOR THE FY 25 CASH RECONCILIATIONS, SPECIFICALLY WITHIN THE BODY OF THE EXPLANATION. 
          IN SUMMARY, THERE WAS ADDITIONAL INFORMATION REGARDING THE FY 24 CASH RECONCILIATIONS, WHICH, IF YOU RECALL, IS A SEPARATE CONTRACT. 
          THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO HIGHLIGHT TODAY'S, THIS AGENDA ITEM IS TO HIGHLIGHT THE FY 24 CONTRACT FOR CASH RECONCILIATIONS AND REQUEST A BOARD REVIEW AND APPROVE THE NEED FOR A CONTRACT MODIFICATION. 
          THE SOLE PUR PURPOSE OF THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION IS TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FROM $100,000 TO 104 140,490. 
          UH, AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, ANY CONTRACT MODIFICATION WITH A MONETARY VALUE OF 25% OR MORE REQUIRES BOARD OF SUPERVISOR APPROVAL. 
          SO I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THIS PARTICULAR CONTRACT MODIFICATION AND BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION 
          [02:20:01]
WITH THE INTENTION OF, UH, HOPEFULLY APPROVING THIS AND APPROPRIATING ADDITIONAL FUNDS THAT HAVE BEEN RECEIVED FROM PENALTIES AND INTEREST TO THE SPECIFIC LINE ITEM THAT'S CURRENTLY BEING TAKEN OUT OF THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING BUDGET TO THE FINANCE AND PURCHASING BUDGET, THAT ADDITIONAL APPROPRIATION. 
          SO, UM, MS. JENSSEN'S HERE AS WELL, IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS CONTRACT MODIFICATION. 
          SO I DON'T KNOW IF THIS IS THE TIME TO, TO EXPLAIN WHERE WE ARE, WHAT AND WHEN DO WE EXPECT THIS AUDIT? AND IS THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY GONNA GET US THE 24 AUDIT DONE? OR WHERE WHERE ARE WE? THE, THE TRIAL BALANCE HAS BEEN PROVIDED TO THE AUDITOR. 
          AS YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING ELSE FOR THE AUDIT WAS PROVIDED TO THE AUDITORS. 
          UM, QUITE SOME TIME AGO IN JANUARY, WE REALIZED THERE WAS ADDITIONAL BANK ACCOUNTS THAT NEEDED TO BE RECONCILED, WHICH BUMPED UP THE INCREASE TO OVER A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, WHICH REQUIRED A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF WEEKEND WORK, A SIGNIFICANT, A LOT OF TIME OF THE CHARGER'S OFFICE AND, AND, UH, FINANCE OFFICE STAFF. 
          THE AUDITORS RECEIVED THE TRIAL BALANCE AND PROMISE TO COME BACK AT A CERTAIN POINT AND THEN LET US KNOW THAT THEY WERE GOING TO COME BACK, UH, THE WEEK OF JUNE 15TH. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF THAT DELAY, OUR AUDIT HAD TO BE PUT BACK UNTIL THE END OF JULY. 
          UM, THEY STILL HAVE NOT GIVEN ME A CONFIRMATION THAT THE END OF JULY WILL WORK FOR THEM. 
          AND I'M CONCERNED THAT BECAUSE THEY HAVE OTHER CLIENTS THAT THEY NEED TO ATTEND TO, THEY'RE DOING THEIR PRELIM WORK NOW, WHICH THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO DO THE FY 26 PRELIM WORK DURING THE WEEK THAT THEY'RE COMING TO DO THE FY 24 FINAL FIELD WORK. 
          I'M CONCERNED THEY MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO GET THAT DONE IN THE ONE TO TWO WEEKS THAT THEY WILL BE HERE OR BE WORKING REMOTELY FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO RIGHT NOW, THE CURRENT EXPECTATION IS TO HAVE THE AUDIT COMPLETED AT THE END OF JULY. 
          THAT IS WHAT THE NOTICE NOTICES ON THE BORDER FOR, UH, IN THE BULLETIN AND HAVE BEEN POSTED ONTO OUR WEBSITE AND PROVIDED TO THE A PA, UH, THAT'S BEEN POSTED FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME NOW, UM, IN REGARDS TO THE FY 25 AND FY 26, I CAN TURN THE MICROPHONE OVER TO MS. SHANKS TO ANSWER THOSE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS, BUT I NEEDED TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER AS TO WHAT THE AUDIT WORK LOOKS LIKE, PARTICULARLY FOR THE FINANCE OFFICE'S COORDINATION WITH THE REMAINDER OF THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE COMPLETED FOR THE FY 24 AUDIT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO I I'M STILL KIND OF LIKE NOT UNDERSTANDING WHAT, WHAT IS IT THEY NEED? IS, IS EVERYTHING BEEN DONE AND IT'S JUST A MATTER OF HANDING IT TO 'EM BECAUSE OF THEIR CONSTRAINTS WITH MEETING OTHER CLIENTS? OR DO WE STILL NOT HAVE EVERYTHING DONE THAT THEY NEED AS WELL? JUST FOR THE FY 24 ON IT, WE HAVE EVERYTHING DONE THAT THEY NEED. 
          UH, WE TURNED OVER THE TRIAL BALANCE, WHICH WAS THE FINAL PIECE THAT THEY NEEDED. 
          AND NOW THEY HAVE AND ALL THE ACCOUNTS. 
          ALL THE ACCOUNTS OF ALL THE ACCOUNTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          SO AS SOON AS THEY GET TIME, IF EVERYTHING IS GOOD, IT SHOULD BE DONE BY THE END OF WHAT? JULY. 
          JULY. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THEN WHERE DOES THAT PUT US WITH 25 AND 26? IF I COULD JUST BEFORE YOU DO, IF I COULD JUST ASK YOU, YOU SAID THE TRIAL BALANCE IS PROVIDED FOR ALL ACCOUNTS? IS THAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID? FOR ALL ACCOUNTS. 
          OKAY. 
          THE TRIAL BALANCE IS FOR ALL ACCOUNTS FOR 2024. 
          YES. 
          ALL ACCOUNTS. 
          AND, BUT THIS IS A CHANGE FOR ANOTHER $50,000 FOR CASH RECONCILIATIONS. 
          MAN, I'M, I'M KIND OF LIKE SEEING DISCONNECT THERE . 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          SO WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER, WE GOT, WE WENT OVER THE BUDGET OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS AROUND JULY WHEN WE ARE DOING THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS. 
          SO THE WORK THAT BARRY DUNN IS DOING IS SPECIFICALLY FOR CASH RECONCILIATIONS. 
          EVERY OTHER PIECE OF THE AUDIT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE, HAS BEEN TURNED INTO THE FINANCE OFFICE. 
          THIS IS JUST FOR CASH RECONCILIATIONS. 
          THERE IS WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR BANK ACCOUNT RECONCILIATION. 
          THERE'S WORK THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE FOR GENERAL LEDGER CASH RECONCILIATION. 
          ALL OF THOSE TIE TO AND ADD UP TO THE TRIAL BALANCE, WHICH IS FOR 2024. 
          FOR 24 THAT STILL NEED TO BE DONE FOR 24. 
          24 IS DONE. 
          THE TRIAL BALANCE IS DONE FOR THE CASH AND EVERYTHING? CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE, 
          [02:25:01]
IN OTHER WORDS, I GUESS THE SHORT ANSWER IS BARRY DUNN NEEDS NOTHING ELSE BUT TIME TO FINISH 24. 
          WE, THEY'RE, WE'RE NOT MISSING ANYTHING FROM MARCH TIME THAT I TELL THE, THE TRIAL, IF THE TRIAL BALANCE HAS ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED TO THEM FOR THE FY 24 AUDIT. 
          I DON'T. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE PROPOSAL THAT WAS ATTACHED TO THAT WE HAD ALREADY GONE OVER BEFORE WE SENT OVER THE TRIAL BALANCE TO THE AUDITORS. 
          OKAY. 
          WE'RE ALRIGHT. 
          WE'RE PAYING FOR THE OVERAGE. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE'RE PAYING FOR THE OVERAGE? YES, WE'VE, WE'VE ALREADY PAID FOR THE OVERAGE. 
          OKAY. 
          AND WE'RE, SO WE JUST HAVE TO APPROVE WHAT YOU PAID YES. 
          APPROPRIATING FOR IT NOW. 
          CORRECT. 
          WE'RE OKAY. 
          THIS IS AN APPROPRIATION. 
          I GOT IT SPECIFICALLY. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT BARRY DUNN IS NOT DOING THE AUDIT STILL. 
          FARMER COX AND ROBINSON THAT IS CORRECT. 
          IS DOING THAT? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          SO EVERYTHING FOR 24 IS DONE, READY TO HAND TO FARMER, COX, AND ROBINSON. 
          YES. 
          AND IT'S ALREADY BEEN HANDED OVER TO THEM FOR 24. 
          THEY JUST NEED TO WRAP IT UP AND DO IT. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          BY THE END OF JULY. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          NOW, SO THIS WILL PAY FOR THE OVERAGE OF GETTING THAT DONE BY BARRY. 
          DONE GIFT WRAP TO FARMER AND COX? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          WHERE ARE WE THEN WITH 25 AND 26? SO, BARRY DUNN HAS BEEN WORKING ON OUR FISCAL YEAR 25. 
          UM, THEY'RE MAKING GREAT HEADWAY AND THEY HAVE A TARGET. 
          UM, THEY'RE ON TARGET. 
          SO AS OF THE END OF NEXT WEEK, WE WILL PROBABLY KNOW EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. 
          UM, OUR TARGET DATE IS TO HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETED AS FAR AS THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS BY THE END OF JULY, MAYBE BEFORE. 
          BUT I DON'T WANNA BE TOO OPTIMISTIC. 
          TOO OPTIMISTIC. 
          SO I WILL SAY BY THE END OF JULY, WHEN HOPEFULLY THE 24 AUDIT IS COMPLETED BY ROBINSON FARMER AND COX, WE WILL ALSO HAVE EVERYTHING COMPLETED AND BARRY DUN AT BARRY DUNN FOR FISCAL YEAR 25 FOR OUR PORTION. 
          AND MOVING FORWARD IS EVERYTHING BEING RECONCILED ON A DAILY, WEEKLY, MONTHLY, DAILY, SO THAT WE ARE NOT GONNA HAVE THIS PROBLEM? THERE'S ALWAYS GOING TO BE, I KNOW THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN ASKED, UM, BEFORE MADAM CHAIR AND I, I DON'T, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT DIFFICULT, BUT EVEN THOUGH WE DAY TO DAY EVERY DAY, WE RECONCILE TO THE BANK EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          UM, WHAT WE HAVE ADDED IS WE ALSO RECONCILE TO THE GL TO, TO CHECK AND SEE IF THERE ARE ISSUES WITH WHERE THINGS HAVE BEEN POSTED. 
          UM, AND THEN ALYSSA AND HER OFFICE DO THE SAME. 
          WE'VE BOTH BEEN VERY DILIGENT TO LOOK WHERE THINGS ARE POSTED TO FIND WHEN THERE ARE, UM, INCONSISTENCIES OR ERRORS WITH THAT, BUT THERE WILL ALWAYS BE END OF THE MONTH RECONCILIATION THAT THEN NEEDS TO BE DONE TO PULL EVERYTHING TOGETHER. 
          UM, I DO FEEL THAT ONCE WE HAVE, OF COURSE, SOFTWARE IS ALWAYS AN ISSUE TOO. 
          WITH THE NEW SOFTWARES, A LOT OF THAT BANK RECONCILIATION IS DONE JUST BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN THE SYSTEM. 
          THEY'VE ALREADY GOT ALL THE OUTSTANDING CHECKS, THEY ALREADY HAVE ALL OF YOUR INCOME THAT YOU'VE PUT IN AND YOUR EXPENDITURES COMING OUT, YOU KNOW, SO, AND WITH AI EVEN MORE SO, YOU KNOW, SO WITH NEW PROCESSES, IT MIGHT BE THE CLICK OF A, OF A COMPUTER, UM, TO GET YOU THOSE BOTTOM LINE. 
          RIGHT NOW WE ARE DOING IT MANUALLY, LIKE EVERY SINGLE THING FOR EVERY ACCOUNT IS DONE MANUALLY. 
          UM, SO GOING FORWARD I DON'T THINK THAT, THAT IT WILL BE AN ISSUE, BUT I CAN'T SEE INTO THE FUTURE. 
          SO AS LONG AS WE'RE ON BRIGHT AND HAVING TO DO EVERYTHING MANUALLY, UM, THERE'S ALWAYS GONNA BE END OF THE MONTH RECONCILIATION THINGS TO BALANCE AND TO MAKE SURE WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE AND THEN TO RECONCILE TO THE GL. 
          I HOPE THAT ANSWERED WELL, I UNDERSTAND WE NEED NEW, NEW SOFTWARE, BUT I GUESS THE THING I'M HAVING A HARD TIME UNDERSTANDING IS WE'VE HAD BRIGHT FOR DECADES, BUT WE HAVEN'T HAD THIS PROBLEM FOR DECADES. 
          AND I JUST WANT TO KNOW THAT WE CAN ASSURE THE PEOPLE THAT WHATEVER IS THE PROBLEM THAT WE'RE WORKING INTO, WHAT MR. JAMESON AND WHAT I ASKED, BUT EVIDENTLY IT'S NOT THE SAME THING AS THE A UD OR WHATEVER THE INITIALS OF THE AUDIT, UM, TO MAKE SURE THIS PROCESS, THAT WE ARE NOT IN THIS SITUATION YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
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THAT'S GOT TO BE THE BOTTOM LINE. 
          NO, WELL, AND I AGREE AND YOU HAVE HAD BRIGHT FOR DECADES, BUT FOR, FOR THE COUNTY HAS GROWN A LOT AND FOR A SMALL COUNTY WORKING WITH BRIGHT, UM, A LOT HAS CHANGED. 
          A LOT OF THE DEPARTMENTS HAVE GONE TO THEIR OWN SOFTWARE. 
          THOSE SOFTWARES DID NOT INTERFACE WITH BRIGHT, WHICH REQUIRED A LOT OF ADJUSTMENTS TO BE MADE. 
          UH, WHICH I THINK ADDED TO A LOT OF THE ISSUES WITH INTERNAL CONTROLS THAT HAVE BEEN PART OF THE AUDIT FOR MANY YEARS. 
          I KNOW BACK TO 2020 AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR BEFORE THEN THAT THERE WERE INTERNAL CONTROL ISSUES. 
          SO THE, THE HOPE AND THE GOAL IS, IS THAT ALL OF THAT IS CORRECTED. 
          AND SO THINGS ARE NOT, UM, BALANCED WITH ADJUSTMENTS, BUT ACTUALLY THAT THE SOFTWARE ALL INTERFACES TOGETHER. 
          OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, JUST ONE. 
          UM, THERE HAD BEEN TALK SOMEWHAT IN THE COMMUNITY ABOUT A FORENSIC AUDIT AT ONE POINT, AND THEN WE KIND OF PIVOTED TO DISCUSSING, UH, SOMETHING SMALLER IN SCOPE AGREED UPON PROCEDURES. 
          AND WE SORT OF PIVOTED FROM THERE TO BARRY DUNN. 
          UH, NOT JUST DOING THE WORK, BUT KIND OF DOCUMENTING THE, THE PROCESS IN SOME SORT OF A HANDBOOK. 
          UM, AND IT, IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU ARE ALREADY SORT OF DOING THAT, UH, WITH, WITH NEW PROCESSES, UH, SUCH AS THE, THE GL RECONCILIATION DAILY AND SO FORTH. 
          I'M JUST WONDERING, IS THERE, IS THERE A, A HANDBOOK COMING OUT OF THIS OR WILL, WILL ALL THESE NEW, UH, WAYS OF WORKING BE MEMORIALIZED? SO IF THERE'S TURNOVER OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT, UH, NO ONE ELSE IS STARTING WITH A BLANK SLATE, RIGHT? YEAH. 
          SO THE PROCESSES, UM, WERE THE PROCEDURES AND PROCESSES LITERALLY FROM THE BEGINNING OF 2024, UM, WERE EXAMINED AND STARTING WITH A TRANSMITTAL FORM THAT ALL THE DEPARTMENTS HAD TO PROVIDE TO ENSURE THAT WHAT THEY WERE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN THE BANK BALANCED TO WHAT THEIR RECORDS AND OUR RECORDS THAT THEY WERE GIVEN AS WHAT WERE, SO THOSE PROCEDURES HAVE BEEN, I CAN CERTAINLY SPEAK WITH BARRY DUNN ABOUT A PROCEDURAL HANDBOOK THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO SHARE BASED ON WHAT THEY'VE DONE. 
          UM, THEY'RE LOOKING AT IT FROM AN ACCOUNTING POINT OF VIEW MM-HMM . 
          AS OPPOSED TO A, THEY PUT EVERYTHING IN, IN TOTALITY FOR RECONCILIATION AS OPPOSED TO WE LOOK AT EACH POSTING INDIVIDUALLY, EACH ACCOUNT INDIVIDUALLY. 
          SO, UM, BUT I, I KNOW THAT THAT IS GONNA BE ONE OF THE PARTS OF THE SCOPE OF THEIR WORK IS AT THE END ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE, ANY SUGGESTIONS, UM, THAT THEY CAN PROVIDE WILL DEFINITELY BE APPRECIATED. 
          OH, AT A PREVIOUS MEETING THOUGH, DR. 
          JAMESON AND MISSING, OH. 
          PUTTING OUT A BID FOR A DIFFERENT SCOPE OF WORK THAT KIND OF, UH, HIGHLIGHTED THE STRENGTH AND WEAKNESSES. 
          CAN'T REMEMBER EXACTLY WHAT WE CALLED THAT, BUT I WAS, IT'S AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURES ENGAGEMENT. 
          YES. 
          UH, TO SEE WHERE OUR SYSTEM MAY HAVE HAD SOME FAIL POINTS AND, UH, TO KEEP THAT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN. 
          DID WE EVER, UH, FOLLOW UP WITHOUT GETTING PRICING OR, UH, JUST, JUST TO TECH ON BEFORE YOU, YOU ANSWER, AND ONE OF THE THINGS I HAD SAID WAS, IF IT'S NOT IN, IN VERY DOWN SCOPE, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO TO SAY WE HOPE THEY'LL GIVE US A, A WORKBOOK WITH SOME STUFF. 
          IF IT'S NOT IN THEIR SCOPE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO IT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THAT'S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION OF THEM AND, AND I THOUGHT THE ANSWER WAS YES, WE'RE DOING THAT. 
          IF THEY'RE NOT, THEN ME AND YOU HAD GOT THAT CONFUSED ON WHAT THEY WERE GONNA DO TO HELP US WITH THE NEW SOFTWARE INTEGRATION AT ALL. 
          AND IT'S NOT THE SAME THING. 
          UH, THEN WHAT HE HAD ASKED, SORRY, WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT THAT FOR YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION DR. JAMES. 
          I APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I DID TALK TO BARRY DUNN, UH, RIGHT AWAY AFTER WE HAD SPOKEN INDIVIDUALLY. 
          AND THEN AS YOU HAD PRESENTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THE IDEA OF AGREED UPON PROCEDURE, UM, THEY WERE WORKING ON SOMETHING, BUT WE NEED TO FURTHER DEFINE THE SCOPE. 
          I THEN ADDITIONALLY SHARED YOUR EMAIL THAT YOU HAD SHARED WITH EVERYONE, UH, OUTLINING WHAT YOU BELIEVE TO BE THE BEST FOR WARRING COUNTY IN TERMS OF IDENTIFYING WHAT WEAKNESSES NEEDED TO BE ADDRESSED AND PREVENTED TO MOVE, MOVE FORWARD. 
          I'M GONNA TALK WITH THEM TOMORROW MORNING, UM, MORE SO ABOUT OVERALL AUDIT AND PROGRESS, UH, TO BE ABLE TO REPORT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IN ADDITION TO AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURE. 
          THE LAST CALL THAT I HAD WITH BARRY DUNN, THEY DIDN'T CALL IT AN AGREED UPON PROCEDURE. 
          THEY CALLED IT SOMETHING 
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SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. 
          UM, IT WAS ALMOST LIKE A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT WHAT HANS IS TALKING ABOUT IS A STANDARD OPERATING PROCEDURE, A HANDBOOK WHERE YOU COULD HAND THE NEXT PERSON SITTING IN YOUR SEAT, HOW YOU DO YOUR JOB EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          THAT'S A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I BELIEVE WHAT YOU HAD ASKED FOR AND A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN WHAT THEY HAD AGREED TO IN THE SCOPE FOR THE CURRENT WORK FOR THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS. 
          UM, SO I'M GONNA BE TALKING WITH THEM TOMORROW. 
          THEY DO HAVE YOUR INFORMATION. 
          THEY DO UNDERSTAND GENERALLY WHAT IS REQUIRED. 
          UM, I I THINK IT'S A MATTER OF FINDING THE TIME TO DO THAT. 
          UM, OUTSIDE OF THE TIME THAT THEY'RE ALREADY DEDICATED TO, UM, RAPIDLY GETTING THESE CASH RECONCILIATIONS DONE FOR FY 25, NATURALLY MY PRIORITY TO THEM WOULD BE THE CASH RECONCILIATIONS FOR 25, UH, RATHER THAN THE A UP. 
          UM, THE A UP CAN ALSO, UM, YOU KNOW, LET'S, LET'S CALL IT AN A UP FOR, FOR UNDERSTANDING. 
          WE CAN GO BACK THROUGH THE AUDITOR'S LETTERS AND ALSO ORDER TO IDENTIFY WHERE INTERNAL CONTROLS NEED TO BE STRENGTHENED FOR SAYING THAT. 
          'CAUSE BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I WANNA MAKE SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, THAT IT, IT IS MAKING A REFERENCE TO THE PRIOR AUDITS AND THOSE, THOSE, WELL, THAT'S WHERE THEY WERE IDENTIFIED. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          AND, AND THE AUDITORS DO IDENTIFY THAT THROUGH A MANAGEMENT ANALYSIS LETTER. 
          UH, THAT'S USUALLY COMMUNICATED AT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FINANCE, UH, AN INTERNAL DEPARTMENTS LEVEL. 
          BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO ASK THAT OF RFCA. 
          THE AUDIT YEARS THAT I DO NOT HAVE THOSE LETTERS, BUT I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE TOP OF MY HEAD, 23 MENTIONED, UH, FEDERAL REPORTING, UH, WAS NOT ACCURATE AND NOT BEING DONE INTERNALLY BY, UM, THE FINANCE OFFICE AND TREASURER'S OFFICE. 
          AND, AND THAT NEEDED TO BE DONE. 
          AND SO THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE DEVELOPING INTERNALLY, ESPECIALLY I KNOW FROM THE FINANCE OFFICE AND I ALSO KNOW FROM THE TREASURER'S OFFICE AS WELL. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE INTERNAL CONTROLS ARE SO THAT WE CAN MOVE FORWARD AND, AND RECTIFY THOSE ISSUES WITHIN OUR OWN DEPARTMENTS. 
          JUST ON MY FINAL TACK ON THIS IS WHATEVER THEY CALL IT, YOU KNOW, AND IT, LONG AS IT MAKES REFERENCE TO THOSE THINGS THAT IT'S, IT'S REALLY A, A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A PRAGMATIC SIDE FOR OPERATIONS SO THAT EVERYBODY INTERNALLY IN THE COUNTY CAN, CAN GET ON TRACK AND, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE DELAY, BUT THERE'S ALSO A PUBLIC FACING SIDE OF IT, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PUBLIC CAN SEE, OKAY, IT'S BEEN DOCUMENTED AND SOLUTIONS HAVE BEEN PROPOSED, AND NOW THERE'S SOMETHING TO, UH, HOLD THE, THE, YOU KNOW, TO BASICALLY BE A STANDARD TO SEE IF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING DONE RIGHT. 
          AND I BELIEVE THOUGH WE CAN DO THAT WITHOUT TOO MUCH LEVEL OF EFFORT AFTER THE 25 CASH RECONCILIATIONS ARE COMPLETED, AS THAT IS THE PRIORITY. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MM-HMM. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          I KNOW WHEN, UH, DR. 
          JAMESON BROUGHT THAT SCOPE TOO, WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA AS FAR AS LOOKING AT THE PROCEDURES, BUT I THINK THAT YOU WERE THI TALKING ABOUT AT THAT TIME MAYBE DOING A, UM, ANOTHER CONTRACTOR OR WHATEVER, WHEREAS POSSIBLY BARRY DUNN COULD DO IT. 
          AND, UH, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, WE NEED TO PUT THOSE PARAMETERS IN PLACE FOR THEM TO GO FORWARD. 
          UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, THAT THE STATE COMES IN AND DOES WHAT THEY CALL A TURNOVER AUDIT. 
          WHAT DID THAT SHOW? THE TURNOVER AUDIT, WAS IT BASICALLY CLEAN AND SAID EVERYTHING WAS COPACETIC? THAT TURNOVER AUDIT WAS COMPLETED AND TURNED OVER TO US LAST END OF JULY 25 FOR AUGUST. 
          UM, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT EVERY ONE OF THOSE ACCOUNT BALANCES CHANGED AFTER THE AUDIT. 
          SO FROM THE BALANCES THAT WE HAD AND THE BALANCES THAT WERE USED GOING FORWARD FOR THE NEXT AUDIT, EVERY ONE OF THOSE BALANCES IN THE FUND BALANCES CHANGED. 
          UM, AND THAT WAS THROUGH THE AUDIT PROCESS. 
          AGAIN, THERE WERE INTERNAL CONTROL ISSUES. 
          THERE WERE NOT ANY HUGE DISCREPANCIES. 
          UM, THERE WERE SOME DISCREPANCIES, BUT THEY WERE NOT TO THE POINT THAT, AS FAR AS I HAVE BEEN TOLD, THAT BROUGHT ANY CONCERN AS TO ANY ISSUE TO LOOK FURTHER. 
          CAN WE GET A COPY OF THAT REPORT? I HAVE PROVIDED THAT, UM, THAT WAS THE, 
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YOU GUYS SHOULD HAVE IT. 
          I KNOW THAT I SENT IT TO DR. MARTIN, UM, AT THE BEGINNING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I THINK SO. 
          I THINK YOU HAVE IT TOO, IF YOU CAN SEND IT TO US. 
          OH, NO, NO, BUT I'LL, I'LL CHECK TO MAKE SURE. 
          'CAUSE I KNOW THAT I, I SENT IT TO HIM SO I CAN JUST FORWARD IT TO, TO ALL OF YOU AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          OH, YES, YES. 
          THERE. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING THAT WAS PART OF THAT TURNOVER AUDIT, THAT WAS, UM, THAT WAS AN ISSUE AS WELL. 
          AND THAT TOOK THE, THE TURNOVER AUDIT LONGER TO BE PROCESSES. 
          THERE ARE A LOT OF OUTSTANDING CHECKS. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY OF THAT DOCUMENTATION WITH ME TODAY AS FAR AS AMOUNTS, BUT THERE WERE OUTSTANDING CHECKS THAT WENT BACK. 
          THE OLDEST ONE WAS 2014, SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY HAD TO LOOK AT. 
          UM, I MADE A STATEMENT ON MY SIGNATURE WITH THE TURNOVER AUDIT AS, AS PERTAINING TO THOSE OUTSTANDING CHECKS. 
          THERE WERE SOME OUTSTANDING CHECKS THAT WERE IN THERE THAT HAD BEEN REPLACED AND NOT REMOVED FROM THE OUTSTANDING CHECKLIST. 
          SO THAT WAS PART OF, PART OF THE ISSUE AS WELL. 
          THOSE FROM 2014, THOSE CHECKS HADN'T BEEN THROUGH A TURNOVER ALL IT TILL YOU GOT HERE FOR 10 YEARS. 
          IS THAT, WELL, THERE, THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN A TURNOVER AUDIT DONE WHEN MS. BIKER TOOK OFFICE IN 2019. 
          I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT TURNOVER AUDIT, UM, OR, OR WHAT WAS MENTIONED ABOUT THOSE OUTSTANDING CHECKS. 
          I DID BRING IT TO THE ATTENTION OF OUR CPA THAT WAS WORKING WITH US AS SOON AS I REALIZED THAT WE HAD OVER 800 OUTSTANDING CHECKS JUST IN ONE OF THE OPERATING ACCOUNTS THAT HAVE SEVERAL ACCOUNTS THAT FLOW INTO IT. 
          SO A LOT OF THOSE WERE IN THE TREASURER'S OFFICE, SO THAT, THAT WAS ANOTHER PART OF THE ISSUE. 
          BUT THESE ARE, I MEAN, THERE ARE MANY OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE ARE WORKING ON TO MAKE THE PROCEDURES, THE PROCESSES CLEAR, UM, TO RECONCILE DAILY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE DEPARTMENTAL, UM, TRANSMITTALS ARE CORRECT TO THE MONEY GOING INTO THE BANK. 
          THAT WAS ANOTHER HUGE ISSUE WHERE COULD BE EVERY DAY OF THE MONTH. 
          WHAT CAME FROM THE DEPARTMENT WAS NOT WHAT ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE BANK. 
          SO THAT RECORDING, BECAUSE OF ISSUES WITH CREDIT CARD FEES AND VARIOUS THINGS THAT WERE THROWING THOSE AMOUNTS OFF AND AN ADJUSTMENT HAD TO BE MADE FOR EVERY ONE OF THOSE DAYS FOR JUST THOSE PARTICULAR CODES. 
          SO THERE ARE MANY THINGS, UM, THAT ARE BEING CORRECTED, BEING CHANGED AS FAR AS PROCESSES AND PROCEDURES TO BRING THEM UP TODAY. 
          I DO HAVE ANOTHER RIGHT ISSUE THAT I WANTED TO SPEAK TO. 
          UM, WE HAVE, WE HAVE BEEN MADE AWARE THAT SOME OF THE REAL ESTATE BILLS, UM, SPECIFICALLY FROM WHAT WE CAN TELL, IT LOOKS LIKE REAL ESTATE ACCOUNTS THAT EITHER ARE OR HAVE BEEN IN LAND USE, THAT ARE IN THE ELECTRONIC FILE. 
          SO THAT'S IN OUR SYSTEM. 
          BUT WHEN THAT ELECTRONIC FILE WENT TO THE PRINTER, THEY WERE NOT PRINTED. 
          SO WE HAVE, RIGHT NOW, AS OF THE THREE THAT I JUST TALKED TO IN THE LINE, WE HAVE 53 PARCELS THAT WE ARE AWARE OF. 
          UM, I'LL STATE FIRST ANYONE WHO DID NOT RECEIVE THEIR BILL AND DON'T PAY THEIR BILL BEFORE THE DUE DATE. 
          UM, BECAUSE OF, OF THE FACT THAT WE KNOW THAT THESE ARE NOT IN OUR BILL PORTAL. 
          'CAUSE WE HAVE A PORTAL WITH THE PRINTING COMPANY, WE CAN ACTUALLY PULL IT UP, SEE A BILL, PRINT IT OFF IF THEY HAVEN'T RECEIVED IT IN THE MAIL. 
          SO WE CAN SEE THAT IT'S NOT IN THAT PORTAL. 
          WE'VE PUT A TICKET INTO BRIGHT, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT AT BRIGHT. 
          HOPEFULLY IT WILL NOT BE A BILLABLE ISSUE WITH BRIGHT. 
          UM, AND AS SOON AS WE DO GET IT, GET IT CLEARED, WE WILL BE SENDING THOSE BILLS OUT AND WE WILL NOT CHARGE THE PENALTY AND INTEREST BECAUSE THAT IS DEFINITELY AN ISSUE ON OUR SIDE. 
          PEOPLE CAN STILL COME IN, THEY CAN PAY THEIR BILLS, THEY CAN PAY IT ONLINE. 
          UM, AND WE WILL PRINT THEM OFF A PRINT SCREEN OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING ON OUR SIDE. 
          WE JUST CAN'T PRINT THEIR BILL FOR THEM UNTIL BRIGHT IS ABLE TO TAKE I HAD IT HAPPENED TO ME AND IT IN YES, SIR. 
          AND, UH, SURE ENOUGH THAT BOTH OF THOSE LOTS THAT I, ONE OF 'EM I'M LIVING IN AND THE OTHER ONE'S BESIDE ME, BOTH OF THOSE WERE IN LAND USED AT ONE TIME. 
          SO THAT, THAT'S, 
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THAT'S PROBABLY, THAT'S THE COMMON DENOMINATOR WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO FIND. 
          WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A COMMON DENOMINATOR BECAUSE THAT'S HOW BRIGHT WE'LL BE ABLE TO GO BACK AND TRY AND FIGURE OUT, YOU KNOW, WHY THESE SPECIFIC ONES AND EVERY PERSON THAT I'VE SPOKEN TO PERSONALLY, THEIR PROPERTY AT SOME POINT HAS BEEN IN LAND USE. 
          SO, SO THEY MAY NOT BE IN LAND USE AT PRESENT, BUT ONCE CORRECT UPON A TIME THEY WERE YES. 
          IN THE OR THEY STILL ARE. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, THAT'S, THEY ARE MY LOTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          THEY WERE IN LAND USE AND THEY'RE NOT CURRENTLY. 
          AND THE REAL ESTATE DEPARTMENT, THE COMMISSIONER'S OFFICE, THEY'RE HELPING LOOK AT THOSE PARCELS AS WELL TO SEE IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT STANDS OUT. 
          UM, AND I'LL GIVE YOU AN UPDATE AS SOON AS BRIGHT LETS US KNOW WHAT THEY CAN DO TO FIX IT. 
          AND WE WILL SEND THE BILLS AS SOON AS WE ACTUALLY HAVE THE PRINTED BILLS. 
          SO FOR PEOPLE THAT I'VE HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE CONTACT ME AND I'VE DIRECTED THEM TO CALL OR COME IN HERE, UM, THAT'S WHAT THEY SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO TO COME IN YES, MA'AM. 
          AND LET YOU KNOW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEY, THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PAY ONLINE WITHOUT ANY ISSUE AS LONG AS THEY HAVE THEIR INFORMATION AND CAN PUT IN THEIR TAX MAP NUMBER. 
          UM, THEY CAN EMAIL, EMAIL ME AND WE CAN GIVE THEM THEIR ACCOUNT AND THEIR TAX, THE NUMBER THAT THEY NEED TO DO IT ONLINE. 
          OR THEY CAN COME IN EITHER WAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I DON'T THINK IT'S THE SAME ISSUE, BUT I KNOW IN MY DISTRICT, ONE OF THE POAS, THEY HAD LIKE 600 PEOPLE, 1200 PEOPLE AFFECTED BECAUSE I THINK THEY SOMEHOW MISCALCULATED THE, UH, THE VALUE OF THE LAND. 
          IT WASN'T LAND USE. 
          NO, SIR. 
          THAT WAS, THAT WAS WITH AN IMPROVEMENT VALUE. 
          UM, AND MS HOURS AND, AND HER TEAM HAD BEEN CORRECTING THAT MS. HOURS DID A VERY GOOD JOB. 
          'CAUSE SHE TOLD ME ABOUT IT AND, AND SHE SENT A LETTER OUT WHICH WAS FORWARDED TO THE PRESIDENT OF THE POA AND UH, YES. 
          AND IT WAS UNDERSTOOD. 
          SO I KNOW THINGS HAPPEN, MISTAKES HAPPEN, BUT IT'S GREAT THAT YOU'RE CORRECTING THEM AS SOON AS THEY COME UP. 
          UH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS, AND I KNOW THE ANSWER, UM, BUT I GOT AN EMAIL FROM ONE CONS, WELL, NOT MY CONSTITUENT, CHERYL'S CONSTITUENT, WANNA KNOW WHY THE, UH, PROPERTY TAX PAYMENTS WERE GOING TO CHANTILLY. 
          I'VE HAD THAT QUESTION A LOT. 
          AND ACTUALLY THEY DID THE SECOND HALF OF 2025 AS WELL. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT IS THE LOCKBOX, A LOCKS LOCKBOX ADDRESS, EXCUSE ME, WITH UNITED BANK. 
          SO WHEN WE DID THE, WHEN THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT DID THE RFP FOR BANKING, THAT WAS WITHIN THEIR PROPOSAL TO PROVIDE THE LOCKBOX WITH FEES, UM, SO THAT THE FUNDS ARE IMMEDIATELY DEPOSITED INTO THE BANK. 
          SO EACH DAY THEY TAKE THE PAYMENTS IN, THEY GO DIRECTLY INTO BRIGHT. 
          UM, SOMETIMES THEY'RE EXCLUSIONS AND WE HAVE TO DO THOSE EVERY DAY. 
          SO WE CHECK THE FILE EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          UM, AND I THINK THAT'S A GOOD THING. 
          AND MY UNDERSTANDING TOO, 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, IT'LL BE DEPOSITED BECAUSE MY UNDERSTANDING, SOME PEOPLE WERE, UH, VOICING SOME CONCERNS THAT THEY PAY DOWN HERE AND THE CHECK WOULDN'T CLEAR FOR SEVEN OR 10 DAYS. 
          BUT MY UNDERSTANDING TOO IS THAT THIS SERVICE IS A BASICALLY PART OF THE PACKAGE. 
          SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE FOR THAT. 
          NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE. 
          SO THAT IS A GOOD THING. 
          CHARGE NO DOUBT. 
          YES SIR. 
          NO ADDITIONAL CHARGE. 
          IT WAS PART OF THE RFP. 
          UM, AND THE LOCKBOX FEES CAN BE, CAN BE LARGE. 
          SO THAT WAS AN EXCELLENT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. 
          AND IT HELPS OUR INTEREST RATE AS WELL. 
          IT WILL NOT OUR RATE, BUT OUR INTEREST AMOUNT, OUR BOTTOM LINE BECAUSE THE MONEY'S GOING DIRECTLY INTO THE BANK. 
          AND IN YEARS PAST, THERE WERE TIMES THAT I'VE BEEN TOLD, I'VE SEEN FIVE TRAYS OF MAIL, BUT I'VE BEEN TOLD AT TIMES THERE WERE AS MANY AS 10 TRAYS OF MAIL WAITING TO BE PUT INTO THE SYSTEM AFTER THE TAX DUE DATE BECAUSE THEY'RE SO BUSY AT THE WINDOWS AND ON THE PHONE AND THERE'S NO TIME TO DO IT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S BEEN A GREAT BENEFIT TO THE COUNTY. 
          DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION ON THIS? THANK YOU MS. HANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I I'VE GOT IT. 
          I THINK, UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONTRACT MODIFICATION TO THE FY 24 BARRY DUN CASH RECONCILIATION CONTRACT WITH A NOT TO EXCEED AMOUNT OF $140,490. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. MEYER? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ASSISTANT 
          [L.1. Fire and Rescue AFG and SAFER Grant Review - Gerry Maiatico, Assistant Fire Chief  ]
CHIEF TIGO FIRE AND RESCUE A FG AND SAFER GRANT REVIEW. 
          [02:50:02]
I IN 10 WORDS OR LESS,  I'M TEASING. 
          WE NEED POSITION. 
          SEE, YOU COULD DO IT. 
          THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. 
          UM, I WON'T BORE YOU ALL WITH A LOT OF DETAILS, UM, BUT WE HAVE BEEN EXPLORING THE OPTION OF, ONCE AGAIN, APPLYING FOR A SAFER GRANT THAT IS A FEDERAL GRANT, UH, PRODUCED FROM THE FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY, SPECIFICALLY FOR THE STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE SERVICES. 
          THIS GRANT HAS NOW BEEN OPENED. 
          UH, WE WERE HOPING TO BE ABLE TO BE IN FRONT OF YOU BEFORE THE APPLICATION PROCESS STARTED. 
          UH, BUT THIS GRANT WAS ANNOUNCED LAST WEEK, UH, AND WE HAVE BEEN DILIGENTLY WORKING ON REVIEWING THE NOTICE OF FUNDING OF OPPORTUNITY AS WELL AS BEGINNING THE PROCESS OF DRAFTING THE NARRATIVES ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANT. 
          THIS GRANT IS DESIGNED TO BE UTILIZED TO MEET NFPA 1710 AND 1720 STANDARDS, WHICH EACH ONE OF YOU HAVE HEARD AT SOME POINT IN TIME. 
          THAT IS ULTIMATELY THE MOBILIZATION STANDARD ON HOW MANY FIREFIGHTERS WE CAN EFFECTIVELY, EFFECTIVELY AND, UH, PUT ON THE SCENE OF AN INCIDENT WITHIN A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME. 
          UH, THIS GRANT SUPPORTS HIRING ACTIVITIES, UH, PREDOMINANTLY TO STAFF UNSTAFFED STATIONS TO MEET, UM, NATIONAL STANDARDS BY INCREASING STAFFING, UH, IN CURRENT STAFF STATIONS. 
          AND IT DOES PROVIDE, UH, 24 7 365 STAFFING COVERAGE. 
          ON PAGE THREE, THE APPLICATION PERIOD OPENED ON MAY 19TH, 2026, AND IT CLOSES JUNE 22ND, 2026. 
          UH, FEMA HAS ANNOUNCED A TOTAL OF $324 MILLION IN FEDERAL FUNDING AND ANTICIPATES 190 AWARDS BEING, UM, ISSUED ACROSS THE UNITED STATES. 
          THE ANTICIPATED AWARD DATE IS SEPTEMBER 14TH, 2026. 
          ON PAGE FOUR, THIS GRANT DOES COVER THE USUAL ANNUAL COST OF A FIRST YEAR FIREFIGHTER. 
          SO YOU'LL SEE IN PARENTHESES USUAL ANNUAL COST. 
          IT COVERS 75% YEAR ONE 75%, YEAR TWO, 35%, YEAR THREE, AND YEAR FOUR AND BEYOND. 
          THE COUNTY ABSORBS THOSE COSTS. 
          UH, SO ULTIMATELY IT IS A, UH, MATCH GRANT. 
          SO WE WOULD BE INCUMBENT TO MATCH 25%, 25%, 65%, AND ANY UNFUNDED COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANT. 
          UH, WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE, UH, BACK IN 2020 WHEN WE APPLIED AND WERE AWARDED FOR A SAFER GRANT TO STAFF OUR RIVERMONT STATION. 
          UPON ITS COMPLETION AND CONSTRUCTION, WE ARE AWARDED SIX POSITIONS. 
          UM, THAT WAS THE FIRST YEAR THAT FEMA CAME OUT AND SAID, CONGRATULATIONS, YOU GOT YOUR GRANT AND THERE ARE NO MATCHING FUNDS. 
          SO WE RECEIVED THOSE SIX POSITIONS FOR THREE YEARS AT A HUNDRED PERCENT FUNDING. 
          UNFORTUNATELY, LAST YEAR WAS THE FIRST YEAR SINCE 2020 THAT THEY STARTED REQUIRING MATCHING FUNDS AGAIN. 
          UH, SO THAT CAUGHT A LOT OF LOCALITIES BY SURPRISE 'CAUSE THEY WERE HOPING THEY WOULD CONTINUE THE NO MATCH FUNDING. 
          SO WE DO ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL BE A COST MATCH LEVEL FOR THAT. 
          WE WILL UTILIZE ON PAGE FIVE, WE WILL UTILIZE OUR MATRIX FIRE AND RESCUE STUDY AND THE DATA DERIVED FROM THAT STUDY AS THE FOUNDATION FOR OUR SAFER GRANT REQUEST, HOW WE CAN MEET, UH, THE RECOMMENDATIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT STUDY. 
          UM, THROUGH THE GRANT, WE WILL DEMONSTRATE THE NEED OF THE POSITIONS AND THE IMPACT ON THE DAILY OPERATIONS AND RESPONSE COVERAGE OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          UH, AND WE WILL ESTABLISH THE COMMUNITY FINANCIAL NEED FOR FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          ON PAGE SIX, THE FIRE CHIEF HAS ASKED FOR THE RECOMMENDATION TO SUBMIT A GRANT FOR 24 STAFF POSITIONS, UNDERSTANDING THAT THERE ARE COST MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH THAT. 
          AND YEAR FOUR, YOU WOULD HAVE TO ABSORB THAT COST. 
          WE'RE TRYING TO FORECAST OUT THROUGH NORMAL BUDGETARY MEASURES HOW MANY POSITIONS WOULD WE BE REQUESTING OVER THAT TIMEFRAME. 
          THAT AND TWO, COUPLED 
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WITH THE, UH, MATRIX FIRE AND RESCUE STUDY, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW, CALLS FOR THE ADDITION OF MANY MORE POSITIONS THAN THAT. 
          SO WE FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH THE 24, UH, UH, POSITION REQUEST. 
          UH, IDEALLY AS YOU HEARD EARLIER, UM, WE WOULD WRITE THE GRANT FOR 24 POSITIONS TO BE UTILIZED TO STAFF THE VOLUNTEER DEPENDENT CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. 
          UH, AND THAT WOULD REQUIRE SIX POSITIONS. 
          WE WOULD INCREASE STAFFING AT OUR FRONT ROYAL STATION, UH, THAT WOULD INCREASE THAT FIRE COVERAGE TO FOUR STAFF POSITIONS A DAY ON A FIRE TRUCK. 
          UH, THEN WE WOULD INCREASE STAFF POSITIONS BY TWO A DAY AT OUR NORTH WARREN AND LINDEN STATIONS PROVIDING DEDICATED ENGINE STAFFING THERE. 
          UH, SO ULTIMATELY MOVING TO A TOTAL OF 24 POSITIONS. 
          ON PAGE SEVEN, WE TRIED TO BREAK DOWN WHAT THE USUAL ANNUAL COST IS. 
          SO THAT IS THE SALARY AND BENEFITS PACKAGE. 
          THAT IS THE ENTRY LEVEL SALARY OF THE FIREFIGHTER IN THE BENEFITS PACKAGE AT THE TIME OF GRANT AWARD. 
          SO LOOKING AT THAT IS THE GRANT WOULD COVER A POSITION COST OF $91,000 PER POSITION REQUESTING 24 POSITIONS. 
          THAT WOULD BE $2.1 MILLION. 
          WE WOULD HAVE A ONE TIME COST OF $9,200 PER POSITION. 
          ULTIMATELY, THE, UH, PPE COST, THE NEW HIRE PHYSICAL AS AN EXAMPLE, THEY'RE NOT COVERED BY THE GRANT. 
          UM, SO THE GRANT DOES NOT PROVIDE UNIFORMS, PPE, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE A ONE-TIME COST. 
          SO FOR 28 POSI OR 24 POSITIONS, THAT WOULD BE 220,000. 
          THE ANNUAL SOFT COST, SO THE THINGS THAT ARE NOT COVERED BY THE GRANT, BUT ARE AN ANNUAL IMPACT IN ADDING STAFF, UM, TO OUR BUDGET WOULD BE $11,600. 
          ADDITIONALLY, YOU HEARD US TALK ABOUT IN THE CHESTER GAP PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSION, WE WOULD ADVOCATE THAT WE STAFF CHESTER GAP WITH OUR CURRENT STAFFING MODEL. 
          UH, SO THAT WOULD DRIVE THE NEED FOR A CAPTAIN IN TWO LIEUTENANTS POSITIONS, UM, SO THAT THE GRANT DOESN'T COVER THOSE OFFICER LEVEL, UH, COST AS WELL. 
          SO LOOKING SPECIFICALLY AT THE GRANT FUNDING ON PAGE EIGHT, YOU WILL SEE IT BROKE DOWN BY 24 POSITIONS IN THE COST IMPACTS BY YEAR. 
          SO YEAR ONE, AGAIN, IT'S 75, 25 YEAR 2 75, 25, UH, IN YEAR 3 35, COVERED BY THE GRANT. 
          65 BY THE LOCALITY. 
          SO YOUR TOTAL SHARE OF FUNDING FOR YEAR ONE VERSUS YEAR TWO VERSUS YEAR THREE, YOU'LL SEE A, A LINE FOR TOTAL LOCAL SHARE. 
          SO THE FIRST YEAR OF THE GRANT AS AN EXAMPLE, SO OUR COST MATCH, UH, FOR THE 25% WOULD BE $549,000. 
          BUT THEN WE HAVE THE ONE TIME REOCCURRING COST. 
          UH, THE ONE TIME COST, THE REOCCURRING COST. 
          SO WHAT IS THE TOTAL LOCAL COST FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE GRANT? SO YOU'LL SEE YEAR ONE WOULD BE 1 MILLION, UH, $45,144. 
          YEAR TWO THAT LOWERS BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THE INITIAL HIRING COST, THE PPE COST AS AN EXAMPLE, THE PHYSICAL COST, UM, ET CETERA. 
          SO THAT REDUCES DOWN TO 824,000 FOR YEAR TWO. 
          IN YEAR THREE, UH, WOULD BE 1.6, UH, MILLION. 
          IF WE MARCH THIS OUT, IF WE ASK FOR 24 POSITIONS, THE TOTAL THREE YEAR, UH, FEDERAL FUNDS RECEIVED BY THE LOCALITY WOULD BE 4,047,358. 
          UH, AND YEAR FOUR AND BEYOND, IT WOULD COST THE COUNTY $2,556,317 TO MAINTAIN THOSE FOUR POSITIONS. 
          AND THAT'S AT TODAY'S OR JULY ONE SALARY COST TIMELINES, UH, WE WOULD SEEK TODAY THE AUTHORITY TO AT LEAST APPLY FOR THE GRANT. 
          WHENEVER WE APPLY FOR A GRANT OF THIS MAGNITUDE, WE JUST LOOK FOR THE SUPPORT OF THE BOARD. 
          PRI PRIMARILY IN THE NARRATIVE OF THE SAFER GRANT. 
          THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT HOW WILL THE BOARD SUSTAIN IT, WILL THE BOARD SUSTAIN THE POSITIONS AFTER FEDERAL FUNDING? SO WE LIKE TO HAVE IT ON RECORD THAT THE BOARD HAS SUPPORTED US TO APPLY FOR THIS LEVEL GRANT AND HOW YOU HAVE SIGNALED, UM, YOUR AUTHORIZATION 
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TO DO THAT. 
          WE WOULD SUBMIT OUR GRANT OBVIOUSLY BY JUNE 22ND, THAT'S ON THE APPLICATION PERIOD. 
          CLOSES ALL AWARDS SHOULD BE ANNOUNCED BY SEPTEMBER 14TH, UM, UP TO SEPTEMBER 30TH. 
          HA. 
          WHAT THEY HAVE SIGNALED, UM, I WILL PUT AN ASTERISK THERE. 
          FEMA HAS BEEN CLOSED MULTIPLE TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS, UM, IN YEAR THAT, AND GRANTS ARE PART OF FEMA. 
          SO IF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT GETS INTO THAT, UH, DISPUTE AGAIN, UH, AND THEY CLOSE, UH, AND, AND WITHHOLD BUDGET FOR FEMA, YOU, WE MAY SEE THE AWARD ANNOUNCEMENTS PUSHED OUT. 
          UM, THAT'S JUST A SMALL ASTERISK. 
          UM, WE WILL HAVE, IF WE GET AWARDED THE DAY THAT WE GET AWARDED AND WE GO IN, WE HAVE A FINITE PERIOD OF TIME TO ACCEPT THE GRANT. 
          AND ONCE WE ACCEPT THE GRANT, WE ARE CLOCK STARTS. 
          SO WE HAVE 180 DAY RECRUITMENT PERIOD, WE CAN ASK FOR AN EXTENSION FOR THAT RECRUITMENT PERIOD, BUT WE WILL STRIVE NOT TO IN THE EYES OF THE GRANT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT A GOOD LOOK TO HAVE TO ASK FOR AN EXTENSION BEFORE YOU START. 
          UH, SO THAT 180 DAY OR SIX MONTH RECRUITMENT PERIOD WOULD PUT US POTENTIALLY AT A MARCH 14TH, 2027 START DATE FOR THESE 24 POSITIONS. 
          AND ONCE WE HIT THAT START DATE, OUR CLOCK STARTS. 
          SO BASICALLY FROM THAT POINT FORWARD FOR A THREE YEAR PERIOD OF PERFORMANCE, FEMA WILL COVER THE 75, 75, 30 5% OF THE SALARIES AND WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ADDITIONAL FUNDS FOR THAT. 
          SO IF YOU MAP THAT OUT AND LOOK AT AN FY 27 IMPACT, THESE POTENTIAL POSITIONS WOULD START TOWARDS THE END OF A BUDGET YEAR. 
          SO IN A BUDGET YEAR OF WHICH WE HAVE NOT BUDGETED FOR. 
          SO THE COST MATCH, THE COST SHARE, THE, THE, THE, THE HIGHER COST, ET CETERA. 
          SO, UH, WE HAVE BEEN WORKING INTERNALLY WITHIN OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION AND AT THE REQUEST OF, UH, COUNTY ADMINISTRATION IS HOW COULD FIRE RESCUE FUND THE FY 27 RESPONSIBILITIES IF THE GRANTS ARE AWARDED. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT AND BREAK THAT DOWN FOR YOU ON PAGE 10, JUST SAYING THAT WE'RE ASSUMING WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THREE MONTHS OF THE COST MATCH, THREE MONTHS OF THE OFFICER SALARIES, THE ONE TIME HIRING COST AND THE SOFT COST ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE POSITIONS. 
          UH, WE WOULD NEED TO FOR FY 27 SO THAT THE BUDGET YEAR OF WHICH THESE ARE AWARDED $393,780, UH, WHICH WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE HAVE THE FUND BALANCE WITHIN OUR COST RECOVERY BUDGET THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO TAP TO SUPPORT THAT. 
          UH, AGAIN, THAT WOULD BE A ONE-TIME COST AND A ONE-TIME USE OF THAT FUND BALANCE. 
          UM, THEN THAT WOULD ALLOW US, WE WOULD BE SIGNALED IF THE GRANT'S AWARDED IN SEPTEMBER, WE WOULD OBVIOUSLY BE ABLE TO PLAN THROUGH, UH, THE FY 28 BUDGETARY PROCESS TO HOW WILL WE ABSORB AND PLAN FOR THE COST THROUGH THE BUDGETARY PROCESSES. 
          UH, I'M SURE THERE ARE A MULTITUDE OF MANY QUESTIONS WITH THAT. 
          I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER IT. 
          CERTAINLY IT WAS DISCUSSED AFTER YOU DO THE 27, UH, STAFF TALK ABOUT WITH THE CHIEF AND THE DEPUTY ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF A FIRE LEVY AND EXPLORING THAT, UH, IN TERMS OF GENERATING THE FUNDS FOR AN ONGOING BASIS TO SUPPORT THESE POSITIONS. 
          JUST AS AN ALTERNATIVE, THAT WAS DISCUSSED. 
          QUESTIONS. 
          I KNOW I HAVE A LOT OF QUESTIONS AND WE'VE GOT A LOT OF AGENDA. 
          UM, SO I'LL YEAH, I, I JUST HAVE ONE. 
          UM, SO THE APPLICATION IS DUE, I GUESS THREE WEEKS FROM YESTERDAY. 
          UM, WE JUST LEARNED THAT THE FY 24 AUDIT PROBABLY WON'T BE DONE TILL THE END OF JULY, MAYBE LONGER. 
          SO IS, IS THERE ANY CONCERN THERE OR WOULD YOU BE, UM, OBLIGED OR, UH, TO SEND THEM A TIMELINE WITH THE APPLICATION OF, OF THE AUDIT, UH, JUST IN A STATUS UPDATE SO THAT THEY KNOW THAT WE'RE MAKING PROGRESS ON THAT? YEAH, SO WITHIN OUR FINANCIAL 
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CONSTRAINTS, WE'LL MENTION THAT IN THE NARRATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH WHAT IS THE FINANCIAL NEED OF THE COUNTY, AND WE CAN REFERENCE THE AUDITS THERE. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO, UH, UH, UH, IN REALITY JUST DEMONSTRATE THAT, UM, THE COUNTY NEEDS THE FEDERAL ASSISTANCE MM-HMM . 
          UM, TO MY KNOWLEDGE, WE DON'T HAVE TO PRODUCE A COPY OF THE AUDIT, ET CETERA AS PART OF THE GRANT PACKAGE. 
          WE CAN JUST MENTION THE TIMELINES AND WHAT THE COUNTY HAS BEEN DOING ASSOCIATED WITH THE RESPECT OF AUDITS, UH, AND QUITE FRANKLY, UTILIZE THAT IN DEMONSTRATING THE FINANCIAL NEED OF FEDERAL FUNDING. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IS, WE WOULD, TO BE BLUNT, WE WOULD NOT WANT TO SEEK TO RAISE TAXES AGAIN TO THE TAXPAYER TO PAY FOR THESE POSITIONS. 
          NOT HAVING THE AUDIT, IE WHAT WE SEE WHAT YOU HEAR ON THE REGULAR. 
          SO THEREFORE, WITHOUT FEDERAL FUNDING, WE LIKELY WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HIRE THESE POSITIONS WITHOUT INCREASING THE TAX BASE SUBSTANTIALLY IS KIND OF HOW WE WOULD STRUCTURE THE NARRATIVE ASSOCIATED WITH THE GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU DON'T, THE APPLICATION HAS TO BE IN BY THE 22ND, CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          OUR NEXT MEETING WOULD BE JUNE 16TH. 
          COULD WE TABLE A DECISION TODAY? GIVE US ALL AN OPPORTUNITY. 
          23RD. 
          23RD? THAT IS CORRECT. 
          OH, APPLICATION. 
          WELL, THE THING IS, WE, THIS IS SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT AT THE END OF THREE YEARS, AND IT WOULD BE JUST OUR LUCK TO GET 24 POSITIONS, WHICH ON ONE HAND WE NEED. 
          BUT THEN I, I FEEL LIKE WITHOUT THE AUDIT AND EVERYTHING, THAT'S A, A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY TO BE LOOKING AT. 
          UM, MAY I ASK A QUESTION? SAY THE BEST CASE SCENARIO IS NO, DO WE HAVE TO MAKE, DO WE HAVE TO TELL YOU TO GO AHEAD OR CAN YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE APPLICATION? WE CAN GO AHEAD AND PUT IN THE APPLICATION. 
          OKAY. 
          I WOULD CAUTION THE BOARD IF THE APPLICATION'S AWARDED, REJECTED IT. 
          YEP. 
          THAT'S NOT A GOOD LOOK FOR ANOTHER APPLICATION. 
          SAY THAT AGAIN. 
          IF THE, IF IT'S, IF IT'S SUCCESSFUL AND IT'S AWARDED RIGHT, THEN THE BOARD DECIDES THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD THE COST MATCH ASSOCIATED WITH IT OR THE LONG-TERM SUSTAINMENT COST. 
          I WOULD CAUTION THE BOARD FROM RETURNING THE GRANT, MEANING IT WAS AWARDED, BUT YOU HAVE TURNED IT DOWN BECAUSE THAT COULD LEAVE ABOUT LIKE MARK ON THE NEXT TIME YOU CAN'T DO IT. 
          WELL, LET'S SAY THEY DID A AWARD 24 AND WE FELT WE COULD ONLY AFFORD 12 AND WE COULD, WE HAD THAT OPTION TO TAKE A PARTIAL NO, IT'S ALL OR NONE. 
          IT'S A, IT'S AN ALL OR NOTHING. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I FEEL LIKE THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST AND THEN VOTE ON TODAY. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          I IS IS THERE, WHAT WAS THE, BECAUSE OF THE PRIMARY THAT WE MOVED THE, BECAUSE DIDN'T THEY MOVE THE PRIMARY TO AUGUST? OR AM I WRONG ON THAT? YES. 
          SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT BECAUSE IT, BECAUSE IT WAS SCHEDULED AS PART OF THE APPROVED MEETING SCHEDULE THAT IT WOULD BE JUNE 2ND AND JUNE 23RD. 
          BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT'S SOME OF THE REASON, BUT I COULD BE WRONG. 
          AND YOU WERE SUCCESSFUL LAST TIME GETTING SAFER GRANTS. 
          HOW MANY DID YOU APPLY FOR? I MEAN, DID THEY DO ALL OR NONE OR DO THEY, YOU APPLY FOR 12 AND THEY AWARD SIX? NO, IT'S AN ALL OR NONE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, SO YOU HAVE TO GIVE, SO WE HAVE APPLIED IN MY TENURE WITHIN THIS ORGANIZATION, WE HAVE APPLIED FOR A SAFER GRANT. 
          FOUR TIMES HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL ONCE, UM, WE APPLIED FOR I BELIEVE 18 POSITIONS, THREE TIMES, SIX POSITIONS ONE TIME. 
          UM, BUT A LOT OF THAT TOO HAS TO DO WITH THE INTENT AND VERBIAGE BEHIND THE GRANT. 
          UM, EACH TIME THAT WE APPLY FOR A GRANT, WE ALWAYS GO BACK. 
          WE ANALYZE WHY WE WERE NOT SUCCESSFUL, ET CETERA, TO MAKE IT A STRONGER PROCESS. 
          QUITE FRANKLY, IT WOULD'VE BEEN OUR ADVOCATION TO HIRE A THIRD PARTY TO COME IN AND HELP US WRITE THE GRANT. 
          UM, THAT TIMEFRAME IS NOT THERE. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, THESE GRANTS WERE RELEASED AND RELEASED RIGHT AWAY. 
          UH, WE HAD A CONVERSATION WITH COUNTY STAFF TO GET THIS ON THE AGENDA. 
          THE APPLICATION PROCESS WAS NOT OPEN. 
          WE BASICALLY GOT IT ON THE AGENDA AND A FEW DAYS LATER IT HIT. 
          SO, AND WHEN IT HIT IT, IT HIT EVERYBODY IN THE FIRE SERVICE BY SURPRISE. 
          'CAUSE NOBODY WAS ANTICIPATING THE, BASICALLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REOPENING FEMA AND GRANTS BEING RELEASED. 
          THAT QUICK, MAYBE THE OTHER THING WOULD BE, WOULD BE IF, IF, UH, YOU 
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KNOW, SOMETIMES ASKING FOR THAT MANY, IT MAY BE MORE DIFFICULT FOR THEM TO APPROVE THAT AS OPPOSED TO MAYBE A LESSER NUMBER. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN MAYBE LOOK AT THAT AND SEE PEOPLE THAT APPROVE, UH, APPLIED AND, UH, YEAH. 
          WHAT, WHAT, I GUESS THERE'S NO, A LOT OF IT IS A NUMBER THAT CAN BE, THERE'S NO OUT, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN ASK FOR 24 50 OR WHATEVER MM-HMM . 
          BUT I'M JUST SAYING IF YOU ASK FOR A LOWER NUMBER, THAT MAY INCREASE THE ODDS OF GETTING THOSE, WHICH ONE WAS APPROVED? 1806, THE SIX WAS APPROVED. 
          18 WASN'T, BUT A LOT OF IT IS TOO THE INTENT BEHIND THE GRANT AND HOW YOU STRUCTURE THE VERBIAGE. 
          SO OUR NEIGHBORS NEXT DOOR, SHENANDOAH COUNTY JUST AWARDED 26 POSITIONS. 
          OKAY. 
          IN LAST YEAR'S SAFER GRANT. 
          OKAY. 
          UH, SO WE DID A LOT OF COMMUNICATION WITH THEM. 
          NOW THEY WERE, UH, APPLYING FOR VARIOUS DIFFERENT REASONS AND CALL PRESSURES. 
          WHAT WE HAVE NEVER HAD WITHIN WARREN COUNTY APPLYING FOR THESE GRANTS IS WE HAVE NOT HAD A DATA DRIVEN ANALYSIS OF THE DEPARTMENT. 
          WE HAVE A DATA DRIVEN STUDY SHOWING THAT WE NEED 66 STAFF POSITIONS TO MEET TODAY'S CALL PRESSURES. 
          UH, WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT WE CAN PUT IN FOR THE GRANT FOR THE REASONS SPECIFIED AND DEMONSTRATE THAT, UH, WHILE WE HAVE A DATA ANALYSIS TO SHOW 66 POSITIONS, UH, WE'RE ASKING FOR A CONSERVATIVE 24 BECAUSE OF THE, UH, THE POCKETS OF THE CONSTITUENT CAN'T SUPPORT 66. 
          RIGHT. 
          SO WE NO, THAT WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT THAT'S, YEAH. 
          I DON'T DISAGREE OF THE NEED. 
          I DON'T, BUT I'M LOOKING AT YEAR ONE. 
          THAT'S, THAT'S ALMOST A PENNY INCREASE IN TAX. 
          SAME THING TWO AND THEN THREE. 
          THAT'S 2 CENTS. 
          THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW, ON TOP OF WHAT, AND I'M NOW, MIND YOU AGAIN, AS WE KIND OF ALREADY ALLUDED TO, AND, AND, AND NOT TO SOUND GRUFF, WE'RE ASKING FOR IT IN THE GRANT, IF WE'RE NOT SUCCESSFUL IN THE GRANT, IT'S GONNA BE PART OF THE BUDGETARY REQUEST. 
          RIGHT. 
          WE, WE ARE BEHOLDEN TO OUR DEPARTMENT AND THE CONSTITUENTS TO REQUEST THE NEEDS TO MEET CALL DEMANDS. 
          SO REGARDLESS, YOU'RE GONNA BE POSED WITH MAKING A HARD DECISION OF YES OR NO. 
          IT'S EITHER NOW AS PART OF THE GRANT OR IN THE FUTURE AS BUDGETARY REQUEST. 
          UM, YEAH. 
          BUT YOU CAN ADD STAFF ALONG AS WE CAN FINANCIALLY AFFORD TO DO IT WHEN YOU ASK FOR 24 WITH A POSSIBILITY TO GET 'EM, AND THEN YOU GET 'EM, IT'S LIKE, WOW, I ASKED FOR WHAT I GOT, BUT CAN I AFFORD WHAT, WHAT I ASKED FOR? AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M CONCERNED. 
          IT'S, IT, LIKE I SAID, I'M NOT JUST AVOWING THAT THERE'S NOT THE NEED, BUT I'M JUST CONCERNED OF WELL, YOU'RE YEAR ONE. 
          IF YOU LOOK AT THE YEP. 
          THAT'S REMOVING, IF YOU LOOK AT YEAR ONE, UH, SORRY, LET ME GET THERE. 
          AND YOU TAKE AWAY THE STARTUP, IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE STARTUP COST, WHICH WE ARE GOING TO COVER OUT OF THE COST RECOVERY BUDGET AS PART OF THAT INITIAL PACKAGE, UM, A PORTION. 
          'CAUSE YEAR ONE, THEIR YEAR STARTS WHEN THE GRANT STARTS. 
          RIGHT? SO IF YOU TAKE THE 1,000,040, UH, 1,045,144, AND YOU MINUS THE LAST PAGE OF 400,000, RIGHT? SO YOUR FIRST YEAR IS PRETTY CONSISTENT WITH WHAT A SIX POSITION REQUEST THROUGH THE BUDGET WOULD LOOK LIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT WHEN YOU TAKE 400,000 OF YOUR COST RECOVERY, WHATEVER COST RECOVERY ISN'T NORMALLY PROVIDED. 
          YOU HAVE ISSUES THERE. 
          YOU JUST ROB PETER TO PAY PAUL EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY, EVERY DAY. 
          AND THERE'S WHERE WE GET INTO TROUBLE. 
          UM, THAT'S WHY I JUST FEEL LIKE I WISH WE'D HAD THIS BUILT, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT, IT ALL HAPPENED RATHER QUICKLY, BUT THIS IS A LOT TO DIGEST AND THINK AND VOTE ON ALL WITHIN A 15 MINUTE TIMEFRAME. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          UM, IMAGINE RIGHT NOW. 
          SO IN, IN THREE YEARS, YEAH. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          OH, IF IT'S A COST US 1,000,800 THOUSAND AND 1.6, UH, THE THIRD YEAR, OF COURSE WE'D HOPE FOR SOME NEW REVENUE, THE STAYINGS BILL, AND THEN WE'VE GOT SOME, UH, DEBT SERVICE THAT'LL FALL OFF TOO. 
          UH, BUT IF I HAD TO, IF I WAS APPLYING FROM, NOT FROM YOUR STANDPOINT, UH, 'CAUSE IF YOU COULD GET WHAT YOU WANTED TO APPLY FOR ALL 66 OH, BUT FROM A BUDGETING STANDPOINT OVER HERE, I'D BE MORE COMFORTABLE WITH 12, ABOUT 
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HALF OF THIS THAN I WOULD BE 24. 
          BUT I'M ONLY ONE VOTE. 
          I'D LIKE TO HEAR WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE HAS TO SAY. 
          WELL, I, WHAT I WAS JUST, WHAT I WAS JUST GONNA BRING UP IS WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED, WHICH IS WE DO HAVE THE BOND PANELS GONNA FALL OFF, AND WE ARE GONNA GET, WE ARE, THIS IS LIKE THE NUMBER ONE PUBLIC SAFETY THING. 
          SO EVERY YEAR WE'RE GONNA BE, IT'S ALWAYS A DECISION. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND IT'S, I THINK PRETTY WELL ESTABLISHED, BUT PROBABLY FROM A PUBLIC, UH, EDUCATION POINT OF VIEW NEEDS TO BE CONTINUALLY ESTABLISHED THAT WE'RE UNDERSTAFFED TO THE POINT OF HAVING, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR STAFF IN DANGEROUS CONDITIONS AND OUR, IN OUR CITIZENS IN DANGEROUS CONDITIONS. 
          SO WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO EVERY, LIKE, HE JUST, LIKE JERRY JUST SAID, EVERY YEAR IT'S GONNA BE, IT'S EITHER GONNA BE FROM A TAX INCREASE OR FROM A SAFER GRANT, WE ARE GONNA HAVE THAT MONEY FALLING OFF THAT BOND PAYMENT. 
          SO IT'S, IT'S EVERY THAT'S A POT OF MONEY. 
          EVERYBODY'S LOOKING AT $3 MILLION OF LE LESS OF DEBT PAYMENTS. 
          WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH THAT? AND THAT'S, THAT'S, YOU'VE BROUGHT UP BUYING SCHOOLS OR YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, THERE'S OTHER THINGS, BUT THERE'S A NEW, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL JUST HIT COMING DOWN THE PIKE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S 80 SOME HOMES OUT ON A CREEK GROVE. 
          THERE'S 90, UH, UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING. 
          THERE'S 36 DUPLEXES ON RURAL LANE. 
          THAT'S WHAT, 36? WHAT IS THAT'S A LOT. 
          IT'S A LOT OF, AND ALREADY SOME OF THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE BUSTED. 
          YEAH. 
          THAT'S WHY WE'RE, AND I KNOW WE'RE GONNA HAVE THAT DROP OFF A LOT OF, BUT THERE AGAIN, I KNOW THERE IS. 
          AND THE OTHER THING TOO, UH, UH, YOU KNOW, HOPEFULLY WITH, UH, WE'LL HAVE SOME FURTHER DISCUSSION, UH, IN THE WORK SESSION REGARDING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, BUT THAT'S THE HOPE TOO, THAT SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT WILL COME IN AND HELP LESSEN SOME OF THE TAX BURDEN ON THE INDIVIDUALS. 
          SO THAT'S ANOTHER THING TOO. 
          AND I KNOW I'LL GET IN TROUBLE WITH THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S IT SAYING? UH, GO BIG OR GO HOME. 
          LET'S GO FOR ALL 66 . 
          NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          I KNOW. 
          THAT'S NEAT. 
          YOU'RE TIGHT. 
          NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. 
          DON'T DO IT. 
          DON'T DO IT AGAIN. 
          YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUGGLING A LOT OF BALLS, SO I UNDERSTAND WHAT, WHAT YOU JUST SAID. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING, A SCHOOL ON THE HORIZON IS ON THE HORIZON. 
          I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S OUT THERE. 
          IT'S A LITTLE BIT SPECULATIVE. 
          MORE SPECULATIVE THAN NO, IT'S NOT. 
          THAN THE DEMAND OF, OF NO, IT'S NOT 12 FIREFIGHTERS. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU ALREADY HAVE AN ELEMENT ELEMENTARY SCHOOL, IT'S BUSTED AND THERE'S NO ROOM FOR EXPANSION. 
          AND I THINK I MENTIONED THAT THE LAST TIME. 
          THERE'S LIKE HALF A DOZEN ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BEING BUILT IN THE, UM, COMMONWEALTH. 
          AND THEY RANGE ANYWHERE FROM LIKE, HMM, 30 MILLION TO 55 MILLION DEPENDING ON THE SIZE AND THE LOCATION. 
          AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT WITH THE SCHOOLS, WHAT THEIR PLANS ARE. 
          AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING PUSHED OFF AND, AND KICKING THE CANS. 
          I KNOW WHEN I WAS ON THERE PREVIOUSLY, WE TALKED ABOUT HAVING TO DO IT SOONER. 
          OBVIOUSLY THE, UH, THE, UH, SCHOOL POPULATION HAS DROPPED OFF SOME, BUT STILL IT'S OUT THERE ALL THE TIME. 
          ALL THESE CANS ARE BEING KICKED. 
          SO THE OTHER, SO WE ARE GONNA KICK THIS ONE NOW. 
          OR, OR, WELL, AND THERE'S PICK A SCHOOL KICK, A SCHOOL, A FUTURE SCHOOL BUILDINGS. 
          NOW, I MEAN THAT THERE, THE POINT IS, THERE'S THIS GONNA BE THIS $3 MILLION GIFT CASHFLOW THAT'S GOING TO BECOME AVAILABLE. 
          AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT TO DO WITH IT. 
          WE CAN MAKE SOME PLANS FOR IT LOOKING FORWARD. 
          OR WE CAN WAIT TILL WE GET TO THAT DAY AND THEN SAY, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO IN THE MEANTIME? WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE ADDITIONAL 24 EACH YEAR. 
          WE'RE GONNA GET ASKED TO FUND IT. 
          SO, WELL, WE'RE GONNA FUND IT. 
          5% OF IT FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. 
          WELL, YOU GOTTA, YOU GOTTA UNDERSTAND TOO, IN, IN THREE YEARS, I KNOW THAT 3 MILLION COME BACK, BUT THERE'S ALSO AN INFLATION CURVE. 
          SO IF YOU DON'T DO ANYTHING ALL, AND YOU CREATE NO NEW POSITIONS AND YOU BUILD NO NEW SCHOOLS, JUST, JUST UNDER OUR CURRENT STAFFING REQUIREMENTS AND OUR CURRENT USES, WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GOING TO EAT INTO A LITTLE PIECE OF THAT $3 MILLION JUST UNDER IN, IN, IN INFLATION. 
          OH. 
          WHY? I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH ABOUT HALF OF IT. 
          DR. MARTIN, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING? WELL, UH, IT'S OBVIOUS THIS IS GONNA TAKE MUCH MORE DISCUSSION AND THOUGHT, UH, MIGHT I SUGGEST A SPECIAL CALL MEETING JUST FOR THIS PURPOSE? I WAS GONNA ASK THAT, UH, THE 15TH OR 16TH OF JUNE GIVES US, UH, TIME GIVES YOU TIME TO DIGEST THIS. 
          YES. 
          AND WE CAN STILL MAKE THE, UM, TIMELINES OF THE GRANT. 
          THAT WAS WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          IF THERE WAS NOTHING WITH THAT 16TH DATE, UM, THIS COULD BE A FAIRLY QUICK MEETING OF, YOU KNOW, WE'D ALL HAVE THE, THE TIME TO GET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY, GROUPS OF TWO, HOWEVER, UM, TO GET, YOU KNOW, TO, TO GET WHERE WE HAVE A COMFORT LEVEL OF WHAT THAT NUMBER IS, IF IT'S 24 OR WHATEVER, AND STILL MEET THAT DEADLINE IF, IF THAT 16TH IS NOT ELECTIONS GOING ON IN HERE OR SOMETHING. 
          AND IF NOT, IF WE, 
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IF THERE IS SOMETHING IN HERE, COULD WE MEET IN ANOTHER LOCATION TO DO THIS? IS THAT YEAH, YOU CAN MEET ANYWHERE YOU WANT TO IN THE COUNTY. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST GOTTA NOTICE IT. 
          I, I WILL BE OUT OF TOWN THE 16TH, BUT I, I THINK I'LL BE IN A POSITION WHERE I COULD TELL A MEET THAT, IF THAT'S OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALLOWED. 
          AND IS THAT STILL ALLOWABLE MR. HAM FOR HIM TO REMOTE IN? GIMME, I KNOW IT'S ALLOWED FOR REGULAR MEETINGS. 
          GIMME A SECOND TO FIGURE OUT IF IT, IF IT'S ALLOWED FOR SPECIAL NEEDS. 
          AND THIS WILL MAKE, THIS WILL, UM, EFFECTIVELY SAY YOU'RE GONNA DO ALL THE WORK FOR THIS. 
          IT'S VERY, VERY TIGHT. 
          YOU MUST PROCEED TO DO THE WORK AS THOUGH IT'S GONNA BE APPROVED. 
          AND THEN ON THE 16TH YOU'LL FIND OUT. 
          YEAH. 
          AND IF IT AMENDS, IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF WORK ON STAFF AND OUR TEAM. 
          SO YOU MEAN AMENDING FROM 24 TO SOMETHING ELSE? ANY, ANY CHANGE FROM WHAT WE START, WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE NARRATIVE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS, BUT THE NARRATIVE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO WHAT EXACTLY ARE YOU ASKING FOR AND HOW, SO WE ALMOST HAVE TO KNOW THIS NUMBER TO BE ABLE TO BEGIN THE NARRATIVE PROCESS. 
          AND THE WAY THAT THE GRANT IS STRUCTURED, THE NARRATIVES ARE 50% OF YOUR SCORE. 
          RIGHT? SO WITHOUT STRONG NARRATIVES, THAT IS A, THE WAY THE NARRATIVES WORK AS PART OF THE GRANT, THE NARRATIVES THAT YOU WRITE HAVE A QUESTION. 
          YOU ANSWER THAT IN A NARRATIVE FORMAT. 
          AND THAT GOES OUT TO A PEER REVIEW PANEL. 
          SO, UH, PEOPLE ACROSS THE A NATION READING GRANTS. 
          AND HOW WELL DID YOU DEMONSTRATE YOUR NEED TO THE QUESTION? AND BASICALLY, ARE YOU WRITING THE STORY TO SUPPORT YOUR GRANT? WELL, I WOULD THINK THE STORY WOULD BE THE SAME WITH WHATEVER NUMBER. 
          WE, WE DESPERATELY NEED THE PEOPLE AND WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO, TO DO IT BY OURSELVES. 
          IT WAS ONLY THAT EASY. 
          EVERYBODY WOULD GET A GRANT. 
          I GUESS YOU'VE GOTTA SHOW EVERYBODY WOULD GET A GRANT. 
          YOU GOTTA SHOW WHO'S GONNA BE WHERE. 
          I MEAN THE NUMBER, THE NUMBER IS THE NUMBERS AFFECT YOUR MOBILIZATION RATE AND WHAT THE IMPACT OF THAT IS ON THE FIRE GROUND AND LEAVING ADDITIONAL RESOURCES STAFFED. 
          SO 12 IS MUCH DIFFERENT THAN 24 AND WHAT THAT MOBILIZATION RATE IS AND THE IMPACT OF KEEPING A CONTINUITY OF SERVICES AVAILABLE IN THE COUNTY. 
          SO NOW INCREASING STAFFING IN HIGH CALL VOLUME STATIONS VERSUS STAFFING UNSTAFFED STATIONS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          I WILL ALSO SAY IS THAT WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE TO COMPARE WHAT THIS NUMBER IS AND WHAT THIS NUMBER 24 DOES MM-HMM . 
          COMPARED TO THE PRIORITIES AND NEEDS OF THE DEPARTMENT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO IF 24 GETS YOU SIX AT NINE, SIX AT ONE, SIX AT 10, SIX AT FOUR, IF THAT NUMBER IS REDUCED TO 18, SOMEBODY'S NOT GONNA GET SIX. 
          IF THAT NUMBER'S REDUCED DOWN TO 12, IF WE HAVE TO PRIORITIZE WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE AND WRITE THE GRANT TO MEET WHAT THE DATA JUSTIFIES, ARE THOSE THE THREE MAIN SCENARIOS IN MULTIPLES OF SIX DUE TO PAIRING UP WITH THREE SHIFTS, IDEALLY? CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, IDEALLY. 
          YEAH. 
          SO I'M WONDERING, YOU KNOW, UH, WE HAVE 24 IN THE DRAFT, OR, OR IN THE PROPOSAL HE WAS SAYING MAYBE 12 WOULD HAVE BETTER ODDS. 
          I'M WONDERING IF WE COULD HONE IN LIKE, ON A COMPROMISE AND SAY, GO WITH 18 AND START WRITING OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          YOU KNOW, I'D DO THAT. 
          I'D AGREE TO THAT. 
          I, I, I, FIRST OF ALL, I FEEL LIKE I'M MEDDLING. 
          LIKE I, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BE DOING THIS. 
          UH, UH, BUT I, I ALSO RECOGNIZE YOUR PREDICAMENT. 
          LIKE YOU NEED TO WRITE THE STORY AND YOU NEED TIME TO WRITE IT. 
          WELL, YOU KNOW, AND PART OF THE POSITION, UH, AND GRANT WILL BE THE SIX POSITIONS FOR CHESTER GRANT. 
          MR. KA, SORRY. 
          OKAY. 
          WHAT IF WE MET NEXT WEEK, THAT WOULD GIVE YOU AN ADDITIONAL TIME AND STILL BE IN TAPE? I WILL NOT BE HERE NEXT WEEK, BUT THAT'S FINE. 
          SHOULD BE SHORT AND SWEET. 
          YOU, I MEAN, HOPEFULLY IF WE ALL, I COULD PROBABLY GET WITH HIM, TELL UP AND DO THAT. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU CAN TELL AND OR, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR WHO COULD COVER YOUR MEETING FOR YOU. 
          SO WHICHEVER TO YEAH, MAYBE. 
          I THINK I KNOW FOR, FOR, FOR ME AND, BUT CHIEF BONNO CAN OBVIOUSLY STEP IN TUESDAY'S NOT GOOD FOR ME. 
          UNLESS IT'S THE EVENING. 
          UNLESS IT'S AN EVENING MEETING. 
          EVENING'S BETTER FOR ME ANYWAY. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, HEY, I GOTTA WORK. 
          WANNA DO, WANNA DO THE NINTH IN THE EVENING? IS THAT, UH, NOVEMBER? WELL WHAT ABOUT THE SIX, SEVEN? WHICH IS BEST? I DON'T CARE. 
          SIX IS A SUNDAY, SATURDAY OR SOMETHING? NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT PM. 
          OH, . 
          YEAH, WE ALREADY, I WAS WRITING THE DAY DOWN. 
          I WAS, WE'D ALREADY SAID ON TUESDAY THE NINTH AND I'M JUST GOING, I DON'T HAVE SIX O'CLOCK. 
          FINE FOR ME. 
          OH SIX OR 7:00 PM 
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WHICH YEAH, THAT'S EITHER. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M BEING LIKE MY GRANDKIDS NOW SIX SEVEN. 
          WHICH IS IT? , YOU ARE FINE FOR ME. 
          I'LL LET YOU SAY THAT YOU LIKE IT. 
          SEVEN. 
          SEVEN. 
          GOOD FOR EVERYBODY. 
          SEVEN O'CLOCK ON THE NINTH. 
          WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE ON THE AGENDA THAT NIGHT THEN, OR TO BE DECIDED? I GUESS THE DEADLINE WOULD BE TOMORROW. 
          I THINK WE DIDN'T HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE NINTH, DID WE? NO, NO. 
          I'M SAYING MEETING SINCE WE'VE MOVED TO WORK SESSIONS TO THIS DAY. 
          THE SECOND TUESDAY'S PRETTY OPEN, SO. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WE WILL MEET HERE SEVEN O'CLOCK ON THE NINTH TO FINISH THIS UP. 
          AND OUR PHONES ARE AVAILABLE. 
          IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, FEEL FREE TO GIVE US CALL IN THE END. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          SURE. 
          IT'S BEEN A GOOD MEETING AT A LONG MEETING. 
          UM, SO WE ARE AT 
          [M. Additional New Business ]
THE, UM, PART WHERE WE'RE READY TO GO. 
          CLOSED SESSION, HOPEFULLY. 
          I KNOW WE'VE GOT STAFF AND I'M SORRY THAT ARE GONNA NEED TO BE HERE FOR THE WORK SESSION. 
          SO IF YOU GUYS WANT TO MADAM CHAIR? YES. 
          UM, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE TO OFFICIALLY TABLE THIS? OH, I GUESS I THINK YOU SHOULD DO THAT. 
          YEAH, IT WAS, YEAH, THERE WAS A MOTION. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          I THOUGHT IT WAS MORE OF A DISCUSSIONARY, BUT I FORGOT THAT BLOOD SUGAR'S BECOMING AN ISSUE HERE. 
          SO, UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO TABLE THIS TILL JUNE 9TH AT 7:00 PM SO MOVED THERE. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL UH, MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMESON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO NOW WE ARE AT THE CLOSED SESSION PORTION. 
          UM, AND AS FAR AS STAFF, I KNOW YOU GUYS NEED A BREAK. 
          UM, SO WHILE WE'RE IN THERE, IF YOU WANNA GRAB SOMETHING TO EAT AND WE'LL GET OUT AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. 
          CLOSED SESSION, I SAID STAFF WANTED TO TAKE A BREAK TO GET SOMETHING TO EAT. 
          SO IF YOU'LL, MR. HENRY READ 
          [A. Closed Session ]
US INTO A CLOSED SESSION, I'D APPRECIATE THAT. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD, UH, I MOVE, MOVE THAT THE BOARD ENTERS THIS CLOSED SESSION MEETING UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 1 A ONE FOR THE DISCUSSION, CONSIDERATION OR INTERVIEWS PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, SALARIES, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEE OF THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          THE SUBJECT MATTER IS THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE POSITION. 
          I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE BOARD ENTERED TO CLOSE SESSION MEETING UNDER SECTION 2.2 DAYS 3 7 1 1 A EIGHT FOR THE PURPOSE OF THE PROVISIONS OF LEGAL ADVICE REGARDING SPECIFICALLY MATTERS REQUIRING SUCH ADVICE, THE SUBJECT MATTER REQUESTED IN THE AMENDMENT TO THE COUNTY FRONT ROYAL MEALS TAX AGREEMENT. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON AYE. 
          YES SIR. 
          IF YOU HAVE THE MOTION, IF YOU WOULD READ US OUT OF CLOSE SESSION, I'D APPRECIATE IT. 
          I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES TO THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM THE OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A ONE, AND A EIGHT OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM INFORMATION ACT. 
          AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVEYED OR HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY. 
          IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. 
          DR. 
          JAMISON? AYE. 
          MR. HENRY? AYE. 
          MADAM CHAIR? AYE. 
          MR. CARTER? AYE. 
          MR. STAN MEYER. 
          AYE. 
          I WILL SAY BEFORE WE GET INTO OUR WORK SESSION, UM, I LOOKED AT MY EMAILS AND I GOT AN EMAIL. 
          EVIDENTLY OUR LIVESTREAM VIDEO IS CUTTING ON AND OFF, SO IT HAS NOT BEEN CONSISTENT. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS SOMETHING HERE, IF IT MAY BE THE PERSON'S INTERNET, I DON'T KNOW. 
          BUT IF WE'VE GOT SOMEBODY THAT CAN CHECK THAT SO THAT THAT'S NOT A CONTINUING PROBLEM TO OUR, UM, OUR WORK SESSION, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          [03:30:03]
YEAH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOPEFULLY I'LL KIND OF WATCH MY EMAIL HERE AND IF IT'S COMES UP AGAIN, I'LL LET YOU KNOW. 
          SO FIRST ON THE WORK SESSION, WELL, WE HAVE TO ADJOURN OUT OF OUR MEETING. 
          SORRY IF GOT IT RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME. 
          OKAY. 
          WE HAVE NOTHING TO VOTE ON REALLY COMING OUT OF CLOSED SESSION, SO NO. 
          IF THERE IS NO OTHER NEW BUSINESS, IS THERE A MOTION TO ADJOURN SO WE CAN START OUR WORK SESSION? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          WORK SESSION. 
          [O. Work Session  ]
AND THANK YOU FOR EVERYBODY THAT'S BEEN HERE FOR A LONG DAY ON THIS. 
          FIRST UP IS DISCUSSION DEVELOPMENT, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STRATEGIC PLAN. 
          MR. BARKER, IT'S MY PLEASURE TO INTRODUCE OUR NEW ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TO YELLOW PAGES, YELLOW BOOK, . 
          AND THAT, UH, ALRIGHT, YOUR FIRST DAY. 
          AND IT'S, UM, BEEN A LONG ONE TO SET IN A MEETING, HASN'T IT? IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          IT'S PART OF THE PROCESS. 
          SO, WELL, THANK YOU. 
          SO, UH, AGAIN, BEFORE WE GET GOING WITH THE, UH, THE, WHAT'S THE PLAN IN FRONT OF YOU, I JUST WANNA TAKE A MOMENT AND, UH, THANK, GIVE A SHOUT OUT AND THANK YOU ALL FOR THE CONFIDENCE YOU ALL HAD IN SELECTING ME TO HELP SPEARHEAD YOUR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT EFFORTS. 
          UH, I I DO NOT TAKE THAT LIGHTLY. 
          I UNDERSTAND THE RESPONSIBILITY THAT COMES WITH THAT. 
          I'M SUPER EXCITED TO KIND OF BLAZE THE PATH FOR YOU ALL GOING FORWARD. 
          AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF UNTAPPED RESOURCES AND ASSETS YOU ALL HAVE, SO IT'S GONNA BE A LOT OF GREAT FUN TRYING TO UNLOCK THAT, THAT PRO THAT PROCESS AND, AND SEE WHERE THINGS GO FROM THERE. 
          WORKING WITH THE GREAT TEAM THAT'S HERE IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          SO, SO ANYWAY, WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS SINCE A SIX MONTH DRAFT PLAN FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR WARREN COUNTY. 
          UH, UH, BEFORE I GET INTO THAT PLAN, JUST THAT DISCLAIMER YOU HAVE ON THE, ON YOUR COMMERCIALS, THE SAME THING HERE. 
          THIS IS, IS PLAN IS DRAFT. 
          UH, MANY THINGS CAN HAPPEN AS WE START GOING THROUGH THIS PROCESS THAT COULD REQUIRE THINGS TO CHANGE. 
          WHETHER IT BE JUST CHANGING THESE ECONOMIES OR JUST THINGS TAKE LONGER THAN WE ENVISION THEY WOULD BE. 
          SO JUST KNOW THAT WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IS, IS, IS MEANT TO BE A, A LIVING DOCUMENT. 
          AND THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SO YOU SEE THAT. 
          SO, BUT ANYWAY, THIS PLAN HAS REALLY BEEN, UH, BUILT ON, YOU KNOW, FIVE MAJOR PILLARS. 
          UH, THE FIRST THING IS MAKING SURE OUR EXISTING BUSINESSES KNOW THAT WE WANT THEM HERE AND WE WANT THEM TO GROW AND STAY HERE. 
          WORKING ON KIND OF THE SIMPLE BASIC ECONOMIC STRATEGIC FRAMEWORKS THAT DRIVE A LOT OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLANS. 
          UH, OBVIOUSLY MAKING SURE THAT WE ARE WORKING WITH WHAT WE CAN, MAKING THE SITES THAT YOU HAVE IN THIS AREA READY TO GO OR GETTING THEM READY TO GO. 
          OBVIOUSLY UPGRADING OUR DIGITAL PRESENCE THAT'S OUT THERE IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY CLEARLY TRYING TO ENSURE THAT WE'RE CONTINUING TO FOSTER TRANSPARENT COMMUNITY ALIGNMENT AS WE GO FORWARD WITH THIS PLAN. 
          SO, UH, I'M JUST GONNA GONNA SPOT SPOTLIGHT A COUPLE OF THE ASPECTS ON EACH ONE OF THE, THE, THE PERIODS. 
          AND WE CAN OBVIOUSLY TURN IT OVER FOR QUESTIONS, UH, AS WE GET GOING THAT MONTH. 
          ONE, IT'S ALL ABOUT TRYING TO JUST TO GET THINGS, GET THAT FOUNDATION WORK ON THE BRAND, GET THAT BASE ASSESSMENT. 
          WE'RE GONNA GO OUT AND DO A BENCHMARK STUDY, UH, TO FIGURE OUT WHERE WARREN COUNTY STANDS AS IT RELATES TO VARIOUS ELEMENTS IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COMPARES TO PEER COMMUNITIES. 
          WE'RE OBVIOUSLY GONNA KICK OFF OUR BUSINESS RETENTION EXPANSION PLAN, MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE OUT THERE TALKING TO OUR MAJOR EMPLOYERS AND OTHER STRATEGIC PARTNERS TO LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WANT THEM HERE AND WHAT CAN WE DO TO HELP THEM STAY AND GROW HERE. 
          WE'RE GONNA WORK ON MAKING, YOU KNOW, UP UPLIFTING OUR, YOU KNOW, DIGITAL PRESENCE AND MAKING SURE THAT OUR BRAND IDENTITY IS STRONG. 
          AND THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, GET THAT PART ON THE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT WITH ACTIVE SOCIAL MEDIA AND MAKING SURE WE'RE MAKING THE CIRCUIT ON ALL THE COMMUN THE CIVIC ORGANIZATIONS ABOUT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          AS WE GO INTO MONTH THREE, THIS IS KIND OF WHERE THE STRATEGY ELEMENT STARTS TO TAKE GLUE, WHERE WE'RE STARTING TO DEVELOP THAT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT DEVELOPMENT MISSION AS WELL AS IDENTIFYING TARGETED, TARGETED INDUSTRY SECTORS AND OBVIOUSLY HAVING MEASURABLE PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT HELPS US TO GUIDE WHETHER OR NOT WHAT WE'RE DOING IS ACTUALLY MAKING A DIFFERENCE ASIDE SPECIFICALLY WITH, WITH TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, WE'RE GONNA LOOK INSIDE AND TRY TO IDENTIFY STRATEGIC PROPERTIES THAT WE CAN LOOK THAT MAYBE ARE, ARE UNDERUTILIZED AND NEED SOME REDEVELOPMENT AND TRY TO MAP OUT A PLAN, YOU KNOW, TO GET THEM THERE. 
          THEN OBVIOUSLY WE'RE GONNA COME BACK TO YOU ALL IN THREE MONTHS AND KIND OF TELL YOU WHERE THINGS ARE. 
          SO AT SOME POINT, UH, THERE'S PROBABLY GONNA BE THE NEED FOR SOME KIND OF ADVISORY BOARD OR SOMETHING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT'S NOT IN YOUR PLAN. 
          'CAUSE I THINK WE'LL, WE'LL KIND OF WAIT AND SEE HOW THINGS PROGRESS AND WHEN, 
          [03:35:01]
WHEN THE RIGHT TIME IS FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. 
          BUT, UH, HAVING VOICES, UH, THAT ARE GIVING INPUT ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ON A REGULAR BASIS WILL BE VERY VALUABLE. 
          AND THEN IF WE GO INTO MONTH FOUR AND FIVE, THIS IS WHEN WE START DOING A LOT OF SCALED OUTREACH, YOU KNOW, TO SITE CO CONSULTANTS, STATE PROJECT MANAGERS. 
          AND IT'S WHEN WE'RE GONNA START REALLY, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT DOING, UH, THE ROUND TABLES FOR BUSINESSES TO GETTING THE PEOPLE THAT WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH ON THE, ON, ON RETENTION VISITS AND TRYING TO WORK WITH THEM TO IDENTIFY JOINT ISSUES THAT WE CAN CREATE SOLID PLANS TO TRY TO CREATE SOLUTIONS FOR THEM. 
          BECAUSE A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, UH, SOME ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS REQUIRE INCENTIVES. 
          WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'VE GOT INCENTIVE POLICY IN PLACE BEFORE THINGS GET GOING. 
          SO WE KNOW KIND OF WHAT PEOPLE KNOW, WHAT THE GROUND RULES ARE, WHAT OUR EXPECTATIONS ARE, AND THE COMMUNITY KNOWS WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE WHEN IT COMES TO INCENTIVES. 
          THEN OBVIOUSLY WORKFORCE IS ONE OF THOSE SUBJECTS THAT JUST CONSTANTLY KEEPS COMING UP WITH, YOU KNOW, AND SUBJECTS THAT WE'RE GONNA WORK WITH OUR PARTNERS AT THE, AT LAUREL RIDGE COMMUNITY COLLEGES, THE WORKFORCE SOLUTIONS DEPARTMENT THERE, AS WELL AS OUR SCHOOL DISTRICT HERE AND OUR EMPLOYERS TO TRY TO MAP OUT A WAY THAT WE CAN GET, YOU KNOW, THE RIGHT HAND TALKING TO THE LEFT HAND AS IT RELATES TO WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT. 
          UH, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN OBVIOUSLY INFLUENCE HERE LOCALLY. 
          AND THEN AS WE ROLL INTO MONTH SIX, THIS IS WHEN WE ALWAYS START DOING A, A LITTLE, LITTLE BIT MORE WITH THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND TRYING TO REALLY KICK IN AND MAKING SURE THAT THEY'RE IMPORTANT PART OF THE FABRIC OF MOST EVERY COMMUNITY. 
          AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE WE'RE REACHING OUT TO THEM AND FINDING OUT WHAT THEY NEED, WHAT WE CAN DO AS A COMMUNITY TO HELP THEM KEEP THRIVING. 
          UH, WE'RE GONNA, AGAIN, KEEP THE WORK GOING TO OUTREACH THE PSYCH CONSULTANTS AND STATE PROJECT MANAGERS, AND THEN AGAIN, COME BACK TO YOU ALL IN MONTH SIX WITH A PROGRESS REPORT ON HOW THINGS ARE GOING AND WHERE WE THINK WE NEED TO IMPROVE UPON WHAT THINGS ARE WORKING WELL AND MAYBE SOME THINGS THAT JUST NEED TO GO AWAY. 
          UM, BUT IN A SENSE THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO HERE. 
          UH, THIS IS TRYING TO TAKE A, WHAT HAS BEEN, IN A SENSE A REACTIVE POSITION HERE IN WARREN COUNTY TO MORE OF A PROACTIVE, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC FORCE TRYING TO REALLY UNLOCK, YOU KNOW, THE POTENTIAL THAT'S HERE. 
          THERE ARE VARIOUS PARTS OF, YOU KNOW, MAKING SURE YOUR SITES ARE OPTIMIZED AND MAKING SURE WE HAVE STRATEGIC FRAMEWORKS IN PLACE THAT GIVES US THE FOUNDATION ON WHAT DIRECTION WE'RE GONNA GO. 
          MAKING SURE WE'RE KEEPING THAT COMMUNICATION WITH OUR CITIZENS ON AN OPEN DIALOGUE SO EVERYONE KNOWS FROM THE CITIZENS, THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, KNOW THAT WE'RE HERE REALLY TO TRY TO BUILD A COMMUNITY THAT IS GONNA BE NOT TAKING, NOT KNOW, TAKING CARE OF BOTH THE PRESENT DAY BUT ALSO DOWN THE ROAD AS WELL. 
          UH, WE WANNA MAKE SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE ABLE TO THRIVE AND, AND PROVIDE THOSE DIVIDENDS WHAT CITIZENS COMMUNITIES ASK FOR FROM ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS. SO WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND SEE IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS YOU ALL HAVE ABOUT ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY QUESTIONS. 
          NO, I THINK WE HAVE A LOT OF, WE HAVE A LOT OF POTENTIAL. 
          WE'VE HAD A LOT OF SUCCESSES IN THE PAST AND I THINK THE TOWN'S GOT THEIR OWN LITTLE ED THING AND WE'VE HAD ERRORS. 
          NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT DOING A VERY GOOD JOB, BUT IT'S DIFFICULT TRYING TO DO SOMETHING WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE STAFF AND NEITHER ONE OF 'EM HAVE THE STAFF. 
          AND THE OTHER THING TOO THAT'S BENEFICIAL AND THAT'S REACHING OUT AS YOU'RE AWARE TO VIRGINIA ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERSHIP. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE THE ONES THAT, MY UNDERSTANDING, THEY'RE THE ONES THAT KIND OF FEED POTENTIAL BUSINESSES TO LOCALITIES AND TO HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEM, THAT'S VERY BENEFICIAL. 
          I THINK THEY NEED TO KNOW WHAT'S YOUR, WHAT ARE YOUR ASSETS MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT, YOU KNOW, THEY, THEY WANT, THEY WANNA MAKE SURE THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY ARE BEING VALUABLE TO THEIR CLIENTS' TIMES AS WELL. 
          SO I HEAR THAT ALL THE TIME. 
          IT'S JUST TELL US, WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO OFFER AND TELL US WHAT ARE YOU LOOKING FOR? AND THEN TELL US THE STORY ON WHY YOU THINK YOU, YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THEM. 
          IT'S NOT THE DAYS OF JUST WRITING SECTORS ON A CHALKBOARD AND SAYING WE WANT TO GO AFTER THAT. 
          THOSE ARE GONE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE GOT TO ARTICULATE YOUR STORY VERY SUCCINCTLY AND PACIFIC TO YOUR LOCALITY. 
          IT CAN'T JUST BE, WE HAVE A GREAT WORKFORCE. 
          WE HAVE A GREAT TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM. 
          'CAUSE EVERY OTHER COMMUNITY IS SAYING THE EXACT SAME THING. 
          YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO TELL YOUR STORY IN A VERY STRONG WAY THAT'S GONNA RESONATE AND LEAVE A GOOD FEELING INSIDE BOTH THE STATE AND, AND PSYCH CONSULTANTS AND EVERYONE ELSE THAT YOU ALL ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THAT KIND OF DEVELOPMENT. 
          YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK, YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE READY FOR AND YOU'RE READY TO ACT. 
          WELL, I'M APPRECIATIVE THAT WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE INCLUDING THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THEY, UH, ALL THE TOWNS, TOWN, BUSINESSES AND CITIZENS PAY, UH, COUNTY TAXES TOO. 
          ABSOLUTELY. 
          AND IT IS, UH, IT IS ONE, ONE COMMUNITY AND NOT TWO SEPARATE COMMUNITIES. 
          SO, UH, I APPRECIATE THAT JUST BEING RIGHT IN THE FRONT ASPECT OF THIS. 
          IT HAS TO BE, YEAH. 
          THE, UH, COMPANIES DON'T KNOW WHERE THE POLITICAL LINES ARE UNTIL THEY GET THEIR TAX BILLS. 
          SO THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO, TO TO, TO MAKE, TO BE SUCCESSFUL. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA TRY TO DO HERE AS A COMMUNITY IS WORK AS A TEAM AND DO WHAT WE CAN TO, TO MAKE IT SO THAT THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL AND THEN THEIR SUCCESS LEADS TO FUTURE SUCCESSES FOR NEW BUSINESSES. 
          CAN YOU, CAN YOU KIND OF GO THROUGH WHAT A STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT LOOKS LIKE? 'CAUSE ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE KEY ELEMENTS HERE IS GETTING ENGAGEMENT WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          WHEN YOU GET TO, THAT'S, AND WHEN YOU GET TO THE STRATEGIC PLAN ELEMENT OF THAT, AND THAT'S WHEN USUALLY YOU'RE GONNA IDENTIFY YOUR STAKEHOLDER GROUPS THAT ARE SIGNIFICANT FOR THAT PLAN. 
          AND YOU WANNA MAKE SURE WHEN 
          [03:40:01]
YOU DO THAT YOU HAVE REPRESENTATIVE FROM EACH ONE OF THOSE STAKEHOLDER GROUPS TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK AND SUCH. 
          AND TO, TO HELP SHAPE WHAT IS, WHAT'S GONNA BE THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          IT DEPENDS, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD, YOU, I'VE SEEN 'EM DONE ON A LARGE SCALE AND A SMALL SCALE. 
          THEY CAN BE FOCUS GROUPS OR BIG GROUPS. 
          I THINK, YOU KNOW WHAT THAT WE'LL FIGURE OUT ONCE WE DIVE IN A LITTLE BIT FURTHER, UM, ON WHICH SIZE IS GONNA BE APPROPRIATE FOR HERE. 
          AGAIN, YOU NEED IT TO BE, YOU WANT IT TO BE BIG ENOUGH TO GET ALL THE DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES IN, BUT YOU WANT TO BE, BE IT SMALL ENOUGH WHERE YOU'RE CAN ACTUALLY BE EFFICIENT IN GETTING IT, GETTING THINGS DONE. 
          SO MR. STA, ANY QUESTIONS? I'LL ECHO A COUPLE THINGS AND, AND JUST POINT OUT A COUPLE THINGS. 
          UM, I, I ALSO APPRECIATE THE, UH, WELL FIRST OF ALL, OVERALL I THINK THIS IS A SOLID PLAN. 
          UM, AND, UH, THERE WAS A, A COUPLE NAYSAYERS OUT THERE THAT YOU WERE A ONE TRICK PONY AND I, THIS I THINK THIS SHOWS OTHERWISE. 
          UM, AND, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU IMPLEMENT, UH, UNDER THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE WILL OF THE BOARD. 
          AND SO IF WE SET A DIRECTION THAT THAT WILL, UH, SET SOME GUIDELINES, UH, BUT I, I APPRECIATE THE, THE, UH, CROSS POLLINATION WITH THE TOWN AND THE CHAMBER. 
          I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S GREAT. 
          UM, UH, I, UH, ADVISE YOU TO, UM, TO READ OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND, AND PARTICULARLY THE COMMUNITY SURVEY BECAUSE THAT'S A, A STAKEHOLDER GROUP REPRESENTED RIGHT THERE IN DATA THAT, THAT I THINK IS A GOOD INPUT FOR YOU TO HAVE. 
          UM, AND OTHER THAN THAT, JUST WELCOME ABOARD. 
          APPRECIATE IT. 
          WELL, I DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE. 
          CAN, CAN YOU, CAN YOU SORT OF ELABORATE ON WHAT YOU THINK THE VIRGINIA INLAND PORT MEANS TO WARREN COUNTY AND WHAT, WHAT OPPORTUNITIES YOU SEE ON THE HORIZON THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THAT? YEAH, I MEAN, AGAIN, AS WE TALKED ABOUT TRYING TO TELL THAT STORY, WHY, I MEAN COMPANIES, SITE CONSULTANTS, PARTNER, THEY WANNA KNOW WHY ARE YOU, WHY ARE YOU DIFFERENT? AND YOU ALL, AND I'VE TALKED TO YOU EARLY ON, HAVE A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE THAT MANY OTHER COMMUNITIES, PROBABLY IN VIRGINIA FOR SURE AND ELSEWHERE ALONG THE EAST COULD BE, YOUR COMPETITORS ARE GONNA BE CHALLENGED. 
          AND THE FACT THAT YOU'VE GOT THIS TRANSPORTATION NEXUS BETWEEN THE INLAND PORT 81 AND 66, THAT REALLY IS UNMATCHED. 
          AND I THINK REALLY THE, THE WORK REALLY TO DO IS HOW DO YOU TAP THAT CORRECTLY THAT BUILDS OFF OF YOUR CURRENT EXISTING INDUSTRIES, YOUR ASSETS THAT YOU HAVE, WHETHER IT BE THE WORKFORCE, THE SITES, THE UTILITIES AND SUCH TO MAKE THAT COMPETITIVE ARGUMENT FOR, YOU KNOW, MORE EXPANSIONS OBVIOUSLY, BUT ALSO NEW COMPANIES. 
          AND AGAIN, THAT'S AGAIN, IF WE, AND WE CAN FIND WHICH COMPANIES CAN THRIVE OFF OF THAT, THEN YOU'VE GOT A REALLY COMPELLING ARGUMENT FOR THAT, FOR THOSE KIND OF SECTORS ON WHY, WHY WARREN COUNTY, WHY FRONT ROYAL. 
          I MEAN, BUT I DO HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION. 
          CAN, CAN YOU, UM, KIND OF EXPRESS THE RELATIONSHIP OF, UM, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TOURISM? 'CAUSE YOU KNOW THAT TOURISM IS A PART OF OUR ECONOMIC ECONOMY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO JUST TELL ME ABOUT THE WEED. 
          DO YOU SEE, FOR ME, AGAIN, LIKE YOU SAID, YOU KNOW, ECONOMIC ENDOWMENT'S, MANY THINGS AND FOR MANY COMMUNITIES, YOU KNOW, THEY, YOU KNOW, THEY'VE TAKEN A DIRECT ROUTE OF JUST TOURISM BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT. 
          AGAIN, UH, TOURISM'S GREAT FROM THAT, KIND OF, FROM OUR REVENUE STANDPOINT AND JUST OVERALL QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          AND FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I'VE ALWAYS SEEN TOURISM AS KIND OF THE, THE FIRST QUOTE, AIR QUOTE DATE FOR POTENTIAL NEW PEOPLE COMING TO LIVE IN THE AREA. 
          YOU KNOW THAT MOST PEOPLE, THEY, YOU KNOW, DON'T, THEY GENERALLY DON'T JUST COME TO THE AREA FOR THE JOB. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE GONNA CHECK IT OUT FIRST BEFORE THEY DECIDE TO COME HERE. 
          SO LIKE YOU HEARD FROM, FROM THE LAST, YOU KNOW, LAST EVENT, IF PEOPLE HAVE THAT POSITIVE EXPERIENCE, THEN THAT POTENTIALLY COULD LEAD THEM TO COME BACK AGAIN. 
          AND MAYBE IT'S NOT THE VISIT, MAYBE IT'S THE, YOU KNOW, WHERE IS THERE PLACES TO WORK AROUND HERE. 
          UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE PLACE MASON IN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT HAS REALLY BLENDED TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT VERY STRONGLY IN THAT STANDPOINT. 
          UM, AGAIN, BUT YOU CAN TAKE IT EVEN FURTHER WITH SPORTS TOURISM. 
          I MEAN THERE'S A WHOLE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF COMMUNITIES ARE, ARE LEANING ON THAT AS WELL. 
          BUT AGAIN, IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT ARE YOUR GOALS FOR THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR YOUR COMMUNITY? IS IT JUST STRICTLY TO CREATE REVENUE OR IS IT TO CREATE REVENUE AND THEN JOBS, AND THEN IS IT JUST TO CREATE ANY KIND OF JOB OR JOBS THAT ARE ABOVE THE AVERAGE? ARE YOU TRYING TO MOVE THE COMMUNITY FORWARD? OTHERWISE THOSE ARE KIND OF DECISIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE THROUGH THAT PROCESS. 
          'CAUSE THEY PICK THE DIRECTION IN SOME SENSE WHERE YOU GO. 
          SO AGAIN, TOURISM AND ALL THAT ARE, ARE, CAN BE GOOD REVENUE, BUT THEY DO COME, THERE ARE JOBS THAT COME WITH THAT ARE AGAIN, TYPICALLY NOT ARE GONNA BE AT OR BELOW THE AVERAGE. 
          SO IT IS THAT KIND OF, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, YOU WITH, UH, WITH THE SIZE OF THIS OR YOU KNOW, THIS GROUP, YOU HAVE TO, YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, SOMEWHAT PICK WHAT CAN YOU, WHAT CAN YOU EFFECTIVELY DO, DETERMINE RESULT. 
          YOU CAN'T BE EVERYTHING. 
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IF YOU DO THAT, YOU SPREAD YOURSELF THIN, NOTHING GETS DONE. 
          UH, SO I THINK THE IDEA IS, YOU KNOW, WHERE CAN YOU GET, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, IF THE GOAL HERE IS RETURN IS TO BE THAT TAX GENERATION TO HELP PAY FOR SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKED ABOUT TODAY, THEN THAT SOMEWHAT KIND OF ANSWERS SOME OF THE QUESTIONS. 
          BUT YOU JUST GOTTA FIND THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TEETER TOTTER THAT, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, ALIGNS WITH THE COMMUNITY. 
          UM, THAT'S THE, THE KEY, THE KEY TRIP. 
          YOU WANT TO, YOU KNOW, I'VE ALWAYS OPERATED UNDER, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S THE RIGHT KIND OF COMPANY FOR THE COMMUNITY AT THE RIGHT TIME. 
          AND I THINK THAT'S THE, YOU GOTTA HAVE THAT BALANCE IN THERE. 
          SO, UM, IF YOU JUST START PICKING ANYONE, THEN YOU, YOU'RE, YOU'RE PROBABLY, YOU'RE DOING YOURSELF A LITTLE DISSERVICE FOR THAT OPERATION. 
          SO I'VE ALWAYS BEEN JUST TRYING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THE COMMUNITY, LISTENING TO YOUR LEADERSHIP AND TRYING TO MAP OUT A STRATEGY BASED ON THE RESOURCES THAT YOU HAVE TO, TO ANSWER THE RESULTS THAT ARE BEING ASKED FOR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'LL JUST WRAP UP WITH ONE THING. 
          I'M GONNA BE ADVOCATING FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS BEING SOMETHING THAT IMPROVES LIVES OF PEOPLE WHO ALREADY LIVE HERE. 
          UM, AND, AND PROVIDING, YOU KNOW, EMPLOYMENT MM-HMM . 
          PRIMARILY AND I, AND AS IT WAS LIKE THE OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN, TO STATE THAT NEGATIVELY, I DON'T PER PRIMARILY PERCEIVE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AS BEING MORE REVENUES TO THE, TO THE GOVERNMENT. 
          I THINK THAT'S A SIDE EFFECT THAT THAT'S GOOD IF GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IS IS HAPPENING 'CAUSE IT'S ATTRACTING PEOPLE AND PROVIDING GOOD EMPLOYMENT. 
          SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WHAT'LL YOU'LL BE HEARING THAT LOT. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          AGAIN, THERE, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF WAYS YOU CAN TAKE DIRECTIONS TO TAKE IT AND IT'S JUST TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE'S THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT, AND WHAT RESULTS ARE THERE. 
          PEOPLE TRYING TO SEE THEM MAPPING OUT THE BEST TRAGEDY TO GET THOSE RESULTS. 
          UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT MAY CHANGE AND YOU JUST GOTTA BE READY TO PIVOT 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW THE MARKET'S GONNA CHANGE AND SUCH. 
          SO, UM, YOU GOTTA BE NIMBLE. 
          THANKS. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? WELL, I'M, I'M LOOKING FORWARD. 
          I THINK WE ALL REALIZE ROME WASN'T BUILT TODAY, SO THINGS ARE NOT GONNA TURN AROUND TODAY. 
          BUT LOOKING FORWARD TO PROGRESS IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          IT'S GONNA BE EXCITING TIME. 
          YEAH. 
          SO THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YES SIR. 
          UM, AS JANE COMES FORWARD NOW LET ME DIRECT YOU TO YOUR LAVENDER COLORED PAPER. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, WE'RE TRYING TO KEEP ALL THIS STRAIGHT TONIGHT. 
          UH, THIS IS UM, TOURISM AND JANE IS CURRENTLY, UM, LEADING THE TOURISM CHARGE. 
          CALL IT PAPER. 
          OH WAIT A MINUTE. 
          YEAH. 
          IS THAT RIGHT? IT'S GOOD TO SAY PURPLE THAT BE LA . 
          UH, JANE, IT'S BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY SAID LAVENDER. 
          JANE SPECIFICALLY WANTED LAVENDER. 
          SO HERE WE GO. 
          OKAY. 
          THIS IS LAVENDER. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WITH PURPLE THE HIGHLIGHTING WOULDN'T SHOW UP, BUT WITH LAVENDER IT DOES. 
          SO WELL LET ME TELL YOU WHAT'S IN THE PACKAGE AND UM, LET ME MAYBE GIVE YOU A LITTLE BRIEF HISTORY OF WHY WE'RE HERE. 
          UM, SO THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF QUESTIONS, UH, COMMENTS, UH, THINGS MAYBE WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT IN TERMS OF TOURISM. 
          SO WE PUT TOGETHER THIS PACKET. 
          UH, THIS DOESN'T REPRESENT EVERYTHING THAT'S BEEN GOING ON. 
          IT CERTAINLY DOESN'T REPRESENT THE MEETINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN HAVING, UH, WITH THE TOWN AND COLLABORATING AND LOOKING AT WAYS IN WHICH WE CAN ENHANCE THE TOURISM CENTER. 
          WE CAN ENHANCE, UH, THE BROCHURES AND THE VIRGINIA TOURISM PIECE IN DISTRIBUTING BROCHURES THROUGHOUT THE SYSTEM. 
          UM, SO WE'RE GONNA START OFF, I THINK WITH OUR CURRENT INITIATIVES THEN WE'RE GONNA, WE HAD A REQUEST. 
          HOW MUCH MONEY HAVE WE BEEN SPENDING ON TOURISM THUS FAR? UM, AND THEN AS YOU GO BACK INTO HERE, YOU'RE GONNA SEE A YELLOW, UH, A LAVENDER WITH SOME YELLOW HIGHLIGHTING NOW. 
          AND THAT'S GOING TO TELL YOU, UM, WHERE WE MIGHT HAVE A POT OF MONEY AND SAVINGS OVER TOURISM OVER THE YEARS AND WE MAY HAVE A PLAN FOR THAT. 
          UM, AND JUST KNOW THAT IT'S AN EXCITING TIME BECAUSE I GUESS GOOD THINGS HAPPEN TO PEOPLE WHO ARE PATIENT AND WAIT, AND THAT HAPPENED LAST FRIDAY WHEN JANE HAD A MEETING WITH THE VIRGINIA TOURISM PERSON WHO HAS MADE A SUGGESTION, WHICH COULD I BELIEVE HELP THE COUNTY MOVE FORWARD, BRING US ALL TOGETHER IN WHERE DO WE WANT TO GO FROM HERE? ENHANCE WHAT'S BEING DONE WITHOUT DUPLICATING WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. 
          THERE'S YOUR INTRO. 
          OKAY, SO I'M GONNA GO BACKWARDS. 
          UM, I THINK MOST OF YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE OF THE INITIATIVES THAT WE'VE DONE THROUGHOUT THE YEAR. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A SUMMARY OF KIND OF WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN 2026 AND WHAT'S UPCOMING. 
          UM, I 
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KNOW THERE'S BEEN, AND I'LL KIND OF GET INTO THE BUDGET. 
          UM, WITH THE TWO 50 EVENTS AS WE'VE MADE PURCHASES, IT COVERS EVENTS THAT ARE OCCURRING JULY 3RD AND FOURTH, WHICH IS A NEW FISCAL YEAR. 
          AND THEN ALSO MOST OF IT KIND OF TAGS ONE TO THE OCTOBER EVENT, WHICH IS IN 27. 
          HOWEVER, ALL OF THAT STUFF HAS BEEN PURCHASED IN 26. 
          SO NOW I'M GONNA TALK ABOUT MONEY. 
          SO BUDGETED FOR 2026 FOR TOURISM. 
          AND I'LL SAY IT, I KNOW ALL OF YOU KNOW THIS, BUT THE TOURISM DOLLARS ARE COMING FROM THE TRANSIENT OCCUPANCY TAX. 
          SO THE 3% THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE SPENT ON TOURISM, THAT IS THE BUDGET FOR TOURISM. 
          SO IT'S NOT COMING FROM THE GENERAL FUND. 
          UM, SO $360,000 IS THE BUDGET THAT WAS ESTABLISHED FOR FY 26. 
          AND WE HAVE SPENT $166,440. 
          AND SOME OF THAT ON THIS IS ANTICIPATED BILLS THAT I KNOW FROM THE EVENT WE HAD SATURDAY. 
          I HAVEN'T RECEIVED THE INVOICES FROM. 
          SO THIS IS THE SPEND. 
          UM, SO WITH THAT, IT GIVES ABOUT $193,000 THAT FOR THE FISCAL YEAR WILL CARRY OVER. 
          SO THAT AND THE SIX PAGES OF BUDGET, THAT IS THE LINE ITEMS VERY ITEMIZED EVERY PURCHASE. 
          UM, YOU'RE GONNA BE LIKE, OH DEAR GOD, AMAZON, UM, YES, THE WAY THAT THEY BILL THINGS, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I COULD HAVE A PURCHASE OF 25 ITEMS AND IF THEY SHIPPED DIFFERENTLY THEY WILL BE BILLED DIFFERENTLY. 
          SO ENJOY YOUR READING. 
          UM, BUT I WANNA KIND OF GO OVER THIS PAGE. 
          IT'S PROBABLY THE MOST IMPORTANT PAGE BEFORE I GET TO MY MEETING WITH VTC. 
          SO IN 2017 WHEN THE UM, TOT TAX, WE STARTED TRACKING IT AND IT WAS IN THERE, UM, THROUGH FY 25, WE HAVE A LITTLE OVER $1.3 MILLION THAT HAS NOT BEEN SPENT TOWARDS TOURISM. 
          SO THAT'S BASICALLY IN THE BANK. 
          AND THEN THIS YEAR WE'LL BE ADDING ANOTHER $193,000 TO IT. 
          SO JUST OVER $1.5 MILLION. 
          THAT'S A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. 
          UM, AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          UM, WHICH KIND OF LEADS ME TO MY CONVERSATION WITH KELLY WEAVER LAST FRIDAY. 
          UM, I STARTED OUT THE CONVERSATION WITH HER OF I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WHATEVER WE DO WITH TOURISM, WE ARE DOING IT IN AN INTENTIONAL AND STRATEGIC MANA MANNER BECAUSE WE JUST HAD A 9 CENT TAX INCREASE THAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU DID NOT WANNA DO. 
          AND IT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE DOING THINGS IN ORDER TO LOWER THE BURDEN ON OUR RESIDENTS. 
          SO WE SPENT SOME TIME KIND OF TALKING ABOUT WHAT WE'RE CURRENTLY DOING AND WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. 
          I TOLD HER THAT WE WERE IN THE PROCESS OF FIGURING OUT HOW WE SHOULD WORK WITH THE TOWN IN ORDER TO BENEFIT BOTH OF US. 
          AND SHE HAD SOME GREAT FEEDBACK. 
          SHE'S LIKE, WHAT YOU ALL ARE DOING. 
          I THINK WHEN SHE SAID, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT YOU ALL HAVE FINALLY ENTERED THE GAME. 
          UM, 'CAUSE I WAS LIKE, ARE WE DUPLICATING SERVICES? I KNOW PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY DOES TOURISM, SO DOES TOWN OF AQUA. 
          SO DOES THE CITY OF MANASSAS, THEY'RE ALL IN THE SAME COUNTY. 
          UM, IS IT SOMETHING THAT WE SHOULD BE DOING AS WELL AS THE TOWN OR SHOULD WE KIND OF PUSH OVER TO THEM AND BE LIKE, YOU ALL BE THE LEADER AND WE JUST FOCUS ON CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. 
          UM, AND SHE WAS LIKE, VARIOUS REGIONS HAVE DONE IT DIFFERENTLY AND THERE'S NO WRONG ANSWER, BUT YOU HAVE TO FIND WHAT WORKS FOR YOUR REGION. 
          SHE'S LIKE, I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT YOU START WORKING WITH OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          SHE'S LIKE HANOCK, FOLKIER. 
          THERE ARE DIFFERENT LOCALITIES THAT HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF EVERYTHING, BUT NOBODY HAS ENOUGH TO BE NAPA VALLEY OR THAT FOCUS. 
          WHEREAS IF YOU COLLABORATE WITH THREE OR FOUR LOCALITIES YOU CAN. 
          UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT BASICALLY WHAT WE CAN DO TO USE IT AS AN ECONOMIC DRIVER AND SHE'S LIKE, YOU NEED TO PARTNER WITH ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. 
          SO AT THAT POINT I DID KNOW THAT WE WERE GOING TO HAVE PATRICK JOINING US. 
          SO I MENTIONED THAT AND SHE'S LIKE, WE LOVE PATRICK. 
          WE'VE WORKED WELL WITH PATRICK IN THE PAST. 
          AND SO SHE STARTED TALKING THROUGH SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE AS A LOCALITY CAN DO IN ORDER TO WORK TOGETHER WITH TOURISM AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT PARTNERING. 
          SO THEN KIND OF STARTED JUMPING INTO DIFFERENT CONVERSATIONS. 
          SO I WAS LIKE, WELL WE'VE, WE'VE RECEIVED A GRANT IN ORDER TO DO FIELDS FOR ROCKLAND PARK. 
          I DON'T WANT US TO INVEST $2 MILLION ON DOING OUTDOOR FIELDS. 
          IF IT'S A BETTER IDEA FOR US TO REDO THE CONCEPT, DO AN INDOOR PARK, UM, DO INDOOR OUTDOOR. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE PEOPLE SAYING, WELL YOU WASTED 
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$2 MILLION AND NOW YOU WANNA REDO IT. 
          UM, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE VERY STRATEGIC WITH THAT. 
          SO SHE'S LIKE, WELL I HAVE DONNISH FROM VTC WHO FOCUSES ON SPORTS TOURISM. 
          AND SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT SHE'S LIKE, YOU PATRICK, DON AND I CAN GET TOGETHER AND KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT. 
          WE JUST FINISHED A STUDY FOR THE UM, SHENANDOAH VALLEY, SO IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE KIND OF TAKING A STEP BACK IN ORDER TO BE INTENTIONAL SO WE'RE NOT COMMITTING TO SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BURN US IN THE END. 
          UM, BUT I DO WANNA KIND OF PIGGYBACK ON THAT. 
          ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AND TOURISM, THEY'RE COUSINS, THEY NEED TO WORK TOGETHER. 
          UM, HOWEVER, THERE SHOULD BE SOMEONE FOCUSED ON EACH. 
          UM, I DON'T WANNA BE THAT  TOURISM PERSON. 
          , I SAY THAT AS A JOKE BECAUSE I DIDN'T REALIZE THAT THE DEPUTY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR FOR RAPPAHANNOCK IS THEIR TOURISM MANAGER. 
          I WAS LIKE, OH, DON'T TELL ANYONE THAT. 
          UM, BUT IT WAS GOOD TO TALK TO HER IN ORDER TO GET THAT FEEDBACK ON WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING. 
          UM, AND TO TALK THROUGH WHAT WE SHOULD BE DOING. 
          PROBABLY MY BIGGEST TAKEAWAY, AND I HAVE A LOT OF DETAILS IN HERE FOR YOU ALL TO DIGEST, UM, SHE SAID THAT BTC IS ABLE TO FACILITATE A STRATEGIC PLANNING MEETING. 
          IF WE WANNA SIT DOWN WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL, UM, AND HAVE BOTH TOWN AND COUNTY KIND OF GO THROUGH IT TOGETHER, THEY WOULD BE THAT THIRD PARTY FACILITATOR. 
          THEY DON'T REALLY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME. 
          UM, AND IT'D BE A GOOD WAY TO NAVIGATE WHO WOULD HANDLE WHAT BECAUSE THERE SHOULD BE SOME THINGS THAT THE COUNTY SHOULD BE FOCUSED MORE ON THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT SURE IF ANYONE'S EVER GONE THROUGH THE VTCS TRAINING. 
          THEY HAVE THE HUB. 
          WHAT DRAWS PEOPLE HERE? WHY DO PEOPLE COME HERE? IT'S BECAUSE OF SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK, THE RIVER, UM, AND ANDY GAS STATE PARK AND THE FACT THAT WE'RE THE CANOE CAPITAL. 
          SO THOSE ARE THE BIG PULLS INTO THE COUNTY AND THAT'S NOT PEOPLE FROM NORTHERN VIRGINIA WHO SAW THE NAME ON THE SIGN. 
          IT'S PEOPLE FROM OUT STATE OUT OF COUNTRY WHO ARE LIKE, OH, I WANT TO GO TO A NATIONAL PARK IN THIS AREA WITHIN CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SPACE OF DC. 
          UM, THAT'S HOW THE KING ENDED UP IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          IT'S PROXIMITY, CERTAIN THINGS. 
          UM, AND SO I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MAIN STREET AND SHE'S LIKE, MAIN STREET IS A SPOKE. 
          THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE HERE THEY DO AND YOU NEED THAT. 
          YOU WANNA MAKE SURE THAT IT'S VERY MUCH A THRIVING THING. 
          HOWEVER, THAT'S NOT WHAT GETS THEM HERE. 
          UM, SO IT WAS NEAT TO TALK THROUGH IT WITH HER. 
          UM, I DO THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT BOTH COUNCIL AND OUR BOARD BE ON THE SAME PAGE WITH TOURISM IN ORDER FOR US TO COLLABORATE AND MOVE FORWARD PRODUCTIVELY. 
          UM, THE TOURISM COMMITTEE, WHAT WE'RE DOING IS SHE'S LIKE, YOU'RE GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION. 
          IT'S GREAT. 
          SHE'S LIKE, ONCE THINGS GET A LITTLE TIGHTER AND YOU KNOW WHAT YOUR BRAND IS, SHE'S LIKE, THERE ARE CERTAIN THINGS THAT YOU NEED TO REALLY DEFINE. 
          UM, IT WAS GREAT TO HEAR SOMEONE WHO'S SO COMPLIMENTARY. 
          SHE'S LIKE, DO YOU REALIZE THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS THE ONE OF THE ONLY BLUE BE DISPLAYS WITHIN THE ENTIRE STATE? THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE THAT REALLY DISPLAYS THE WAY WE DO. 
          AND SHE'S LIKE, THAT SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR BRAND. 
          THAT COLOR SHOULD BE A WARREN COUNTY COLOR THAT YOU PUT AND TAG ON YOUR TOURISM. 
          I WAS LIKE, NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IT. 
          SHE'S LIKE, ESAM ALL THE WAY THROUGH ANDY GUEST. 
          AND UM, THEN SHE'S LIKE, AND WARREN COUNTY, THE AMOUNT OF BLACK BEARERS IN THE COUNTY IS UNIQUE. 
          OTHER LOCATIONS DON'T HAVE THE VOLUME THAT WE HAVE. 
          THEREFORE THAT SHOULD BE YOUR MASCOT. 
          I, I THINK WE ALL, 'CAUSE I HAD TWO OTHER PEOPLES FROM THE TOURISM COMMITTEE THERE KIND OF CHUCKLED A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE WE HAD PITCHED THE BEAR TRAIL AND SHE'S LIKE, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU SHOULD BE DOING. 
          SO WE'LL BE PUTTING TOGETHER A FORMAL PLAN IN ORDER TO PRESENT IT. 
          HOWEVER, IF YOU ALL WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A STRATEGIC MEETING WITH THE TOWN, I'D LIKE TO DO THAT BEFOREHAND SO THAT WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE. 
          UM, BUT THAT'S A LITTLE BIT ABOUT KIND OF THE MEETING WITH KELLY WEAVER. 
          I THINK WE NEED TO DEFINITELY START UTILIZING OUR RESOURCES AND EXPERTS A LITTLE MORE. 
          UM, AND I HOPE THAT YOU'ALL GET A CHANCE TO GO THROUGH THE LITTLE PACKET OF INFORMATION AND LET US KNOW WHAT DIRECTION YOU WOULD LIKE US TO MOVE FORWARD. 
          WELL I, I KNOW UM, LIZZIE LEWIS, BECAUSE I THINK YOU AND I BOTH WENT TO THE, UM, COFFEE AND CONVERSATION MM-HMM . 
          WHERE KELLY MM-HMM . 
          AND LIZZIE SPOKE. 
          SO I KNOW THEY HAVE A RELATIONSHIP. 
          SO MY QUESTION IS, WOULD IT BE BEST FOR US TO HAVE A STRATEGIC PLANNING WITH HER TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR VISION IS AND GET ALIGNED AND THEN HAVE A MEETING, A JOINT MEETING WITH HER FACILITATING AND 
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WHOEVER ELSE WITH THE TOWN. 
          DO YOU I THINK HAVING HER FACILITATE BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY WOULD BE BENEFICIAL TO HAVE THAT PRIOR TO. 
          UM, BECAUSE IF SHE'S SAYING, HEY, THE COUNTY SHOULD BE HANDLING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE TOWN SHOULD HANDLE KIND OF MAIN STREET AND CERTAIN TYPES OF MARKETING OR THE VISITOR CENTERS. 
          UM, IF EACH ENTITY CREATES THEIR OWN AND THEN WE'RE TRYING TO MESH 'EM, IT CAN BE A LITTLE MESSY. 
          AND THAT'S WHAT I MEAN. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IF, SHOULD WE, IS IT TOO MANY COOKS IN THE KITCHEN TO HAVE A JOINT MEETING WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN WORKING WITH HER AND WE HAVEN'T? UM, THAT'S MY QUESTION 'CAUSE I'M FOR EITHER WAY. 
          I THINK WE, WE DEFINITELY HAVE ALREADY SAID WE WANT TO COLLABORATE MM-HMM . 
          BUT NOW HAVING SOMEBODY WITH THAT LEVEL OF EXPERTISE TO HELP US, I JUST DIDN'T KNOW WHICH WOULD, WHICH WOULD BE THE MOST BENEFICIAL TO MOVE FORWARD SINCE WE'RE KIND OF CATCHING UP. 
          I DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE, WELL WE'RE NOT NECESSARILY CATCHING UP IN THAT. 
          WE'RE GOING TO TOWARDS TWO DIFFERENT GOALS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I DON'T THINK THERE'S REALLY THAT, HEY, THE TOWN'S HERE, WE NEED TO GET THERE BECAUSE WE'RE PLAYING TWO DIFFERENT GAMES. 
          UM, BUT I DO THINK THAT KELLY IS THE RIGHT PERSON OR SOMEONE FROM VTC WOULD EASILY BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT AND FACILITATE WITH THE, I GUESS IS IT 12 MEMBERS, SEVEN FROM THE, AND I THINK IT WOULDN'T BE A HASSLE AT ALL. 
          I THINK THEY'D EASILY BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THROUGH. 
          I THINK ULTIMATELY EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOU WANT THE SAME THING IS FOR TOURISM TO BE A YEAR, YEAR-ROUND THRIVING ITEM THAT DOESN'T IMPACT THE PEOPLE WHO CAME HERE. 
          YOU'RE NOT DESTROYING THE RESOURCES, THE REASON PEOPLE LOVE LIVING HERE. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? NO, I APPRECIATE THE FIGURES YOU GAVE AND THIS IS KIND OF WHAT I'VE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR A MONTH OR SO, JUST TO HAVE A LITTLE BIT MORE UNDERSTANDING BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I'D ASKED FOR, I GUESS I ASKED ALYSSA AS FAR AS THE LODGING TAX MONEY. 
          UM, AND SHE SENT ME SOMETHING AND AGAIN IT, IT NEEDED FURTHER EXPLANATION WHERE SHE BROKE IT DOWN AS FAR AS ALL WARREN COUNTY TOURISM CORRIDOR, LODGING TAX MM-HMM . 
          AND THEN RESTRICTED FOR TOURISM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WHICH SHE PUT, AND THERE AGAIN, I GOT, I THINK IT MAKES SENSE NOW 'CAUSE IT SAYS RESTRICTED FOR TOURISM BECAUSE THAT WAS ONLY THE 3 CENTS THAT WAS COMING FROM THE CORRIDOR. 
          BUT THERE AGAIN, AND THOSE ARE THE NUMBERS I, I HEARD TOO. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND I THINK AT ONE POINT IT WAS ATTRIBUTED TO MS COLOR SAYING WE HAD 2 25 IN THE BANK. 
          I HAD HEARD 360 MM-HMM . 
          AND NOW IT'S SHOWING 1.3 MILLION. 
          SO WE ACTUALLY MET WITH MS. SCOTT BECAUSE WHEN SHE SENT THE NUMBERS TO ME, I WAS LIKE, OOH, WE'VE BEEN OVERSPENDING OUR TOURISM BUDGET EVERY YEAR. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND SO I WAS LIKE, I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THE NUMBERS BECAUSE I'M LIKE, BASED OFF OF THE TOTAL TOT I'M GETTING DIFFERENT NUMBERS THAN WHAT YOU HAVE. 
          AND SHE WAS LIKE, BECAUSE THE NUMBERS I HAVE IS BASED SOLELY OFF THE CORRIDOR MM-HMM . 
          WHEREAS THE TOT AS A WHOLE, SO WE MADE SURE WE WERE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE, HAD THE SAME NUMBERS. 
          UM, SO THE 1.3, THOSE SHOULD BE THE SAME NUMBERS WHETHER YOU'RE TALKING TO MYSELF, ALYSSA, DR. MARTIN. 
          RIGHT. 
          WELL I ASSUME TOO THAT BECAUSE THE, WELL LET'S SEE. 
          YEAH, YOU GOT ON YOUR SHEET TOO AND YOU'RE SAYING ALL WARREN COUNTY 5%, 718,000. 
          CORRECT. 
          I WOULD ASSUME THAT WE DON'T COLLECT THAT WITHIN THE TOWN LIMITS. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS ALL THAT WOULD BE OUR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTALS AS WELL. 
          CORRECT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THAT WAS A QUESTION I HAD TOO. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WAS HOW MUCH, 'CAUSE I KNOW WE GOT ROUGHLY 200 BMBS NOW HOW MUCH ARE THEY ACTUALLY GENERATING? AND THIS KIND OF TELLS ME MM-HMM . 
          A GENERAL AMOUNT. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND EVEN THOUGH THEIR 5% HAS TO BE 3 CENTS HAS TO GO FOR THAT TOO. 
          SO SHOWING RESTRICTED FOR TOURISM, THE THREE PERCENT'S FOUR 30 A YEAR. 
          MM-HMM. 
          SO THAT'S THEIR, THAT'S THAT'S GOOD SHAPE THERE. 
          I THINK. 
          AND THE ONLY OTHER THOUGHT OR WAS TOO THAT I DON'T, IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY HAS THEIR OWN IDEA FOR TOURISM MM-HMM . 
          AND MY CONCERN IS THAT WITH EVERYBODY HAVING THEIR OWN IDEA GOING OFF IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS, WE'RE NOT GONNA GET A LOT ACCOMPLISHED. 
          RIGHT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, THIS UH, UH, PERSON MAY BE ABLE TO COME, BUT I STILL PERSONALLY, I JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE WORTHWHILE TO LET THE TOWN GO AHEAD AND LET THEM HIRE AN ASSISTANT. 
          'CAUSE IF WE HIRE A TOWN MANAGER OR OR TOURISM MANAGER AND THEY HAVE ONE, THEY MAY BE BUTTING HEADS MY, EVEN IF THERE'S NOT MY ONE CONCERN, AND I'VE EXPRESSED 
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IT TO JOE, DR. MARTIN PROBABLY, UM, TEEN TIMES SOMETIMES THINGS DON'T WORK OUT BETWEEN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY. 
          IMAGINE THAT. 
          UM, I DON'T WANT US STARTING FROM SQUARE ONE AGAIN. 
          NO. 
          WHEREAS IF WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S WORKING FOR US AND COLLABORATING WITH LIZZIE, THEY'RE ABLE TO EACH HAVE THEIR OWN SCOPE OF RESPONSIBILITY. 
          AND IF SOMETHING DOES HAPPEN, IT'S NOT A REDUNDANCY BECAUSE THEY SHOULD BE COMPLIMENTING EACH OTHER RATHER THAN OVERLAPPING EACH OTHER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO NO, DEFINITELY. 
          AND THEN GET RID OF, UH, DUPLICATION AND ALL THOSE THINGS. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS IN A PERFECT WORLD. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND THAT'S WHY JUST MY THOUGHT AND THERE AGAIN, OTHERS CAN DISAGREE AND THAT'S FINE. 
          I JUST THOUGHT IT'D MAKE IT A LOT SIMPLER FOR THE TOWN TO TAKE CARE OF TOURISM. 
          WE COULD FUND THEM, THEY HAVE TO GIVE US THE RECEIPTS AND THEN WE KIND OF BE IN, IN CHARGE OF, UH, IN CHARGE OF ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVERALL. 
          AND THEN THEY COULD HELP FUND THAT TOO. 
          BUT THAT WAS JUST MY THOUGHT. 
          AND THERE AGAIN, I'M ONLY ONE OF FIVE AND THERE AGAIN, WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS, BUT, AND YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS IS GOOD TO, TO HEAR SOME OF THE INPUT MM-HMM . 
          AND TRY TO GET WHERE WE WERE COMING FROM OR WHAT THE BOARD WANTS TO DO SINCE THIS IS BASICALLY A POLICY DECISION MM-HMM . 
          AND WHATEVER THE, UH, AND THAT JUST SEEMED LIKE TO ME THAT THE BOARD SHOULD HAVE TALKED ABOUT WHAT DIRECTION THEY WANTED TO GO BEFORE THERE WAS ANY, UM, CONSULTATIONS WITH THE, THE, THE TOWN COUNTERPARTS. 
          BUT WHO AM I? THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANY OTHER? YES. 
          I, I THINK WE GOT PROFESSIONAL. 
          KELLY'S A THIRD PARTY PROFESSIONAL. 
          I WOULD DEFINITELY LIKE TO ENGAGE WITH HER AND I'VE GOT NO PROBLEM GOING TO TOWN AT THE SAME TIME THAT I WAS LEANING MORE TOWARDS FUNDING THE TOWN MYSELF. 
          I TALKED THAT BACK DURING CAMPAIGN. 
          UH, I THINK THE TWO WEBSITES ARE ABSOLUTELY REDUNDANT A LITTLE BETTER. 
          UM, AT LEAST IF YOU TO DO MORE COUNTY ON GOOGLE IT SEND YOU TO THE COUNTY WEBSITE THAT TALKS ABOUT TOURISM AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND UPGRADE AT UP ON THE SCREEN IN MY PHONE IN THE SEARCH. 
          SO IT, IT'S MORE PRODUCTIVE THAT WAY ALL. 
          SO SOME OF THAT IS DATA ANALYTICS THAT HAVE NOT BEEN FOCUSED ON, MIND YOU, WE HAVE NOT HAD A TOURISM MANAGER IN TWO AND A HALF YEARS. 
          UM, I DO NOT SPEND MY TIME MESSING WITH THE WEBSITE. 
          IT'S A SIGNIFICANT UNDERTAKING. 
          IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT I HAVE FOCUSED ON. 
          UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE WHO'S ABLE TO DO THAT, THEY'RE ABLE TO ACTUALLY DO SOME OF THE DIGITAL MARKETING WHERE YOU'RE GOOGLE SEARCHES WILL ACTUALLY BE SEARCHING FOR TOURISM. 
          SO THAT'S WHERE NOT MY WHEELHOUSE. 
          . 
          OH, I, I WOULD, I WOULD AGREE SINCE I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD MM-HMM . 
          NOT BEEN VERY LONG, THAT YOUR WORKLOAD IS A PLENTY MM-HMM . 
          YOU NEED NOT DO TOURISM. 
          MM-HMM . 
          WITH, UH, EVERYTHING ELSE THAT'S BEEN ON, MAYBE IN ANOTHER YEAR, UH, YOU MIGHT NOT BE LOADED AS HEAVY, BUT I, I DON'T THINK THAT'S EVEN, UH, THAT'S REALISTIC. 
          I SEE YOU IN THE BACK, YOU KNOW, MULTITASKING. 
          THAT'S THE APPROPRIATE WORD. 
          I'VE SEEN YOU DO THAT IN BOX SHOW THOUGH. 
          NO, I'M NOT QUESTIONING THAT THOUGH, THAT YOU'VE GOT PLENTY OF WORKLOAD ME NOT BE ONE. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE'VE GOT NEXT EGG. 
          UM, I WOULD AGREE THAT I WOULD NEVER WANNA CONSISTENTLY FUND THE PANEL MORE THAN OUR INCOME BECAUSE I LIKE THE IDEA THAT WE CAN, WE CAN BUILD FOR MECHANIC CIP MM-HMM . 
          UM, SO I LIKE THAT PART OF IT THAT, UH, THAT I WAS, UH, SUR PLEASANTLY SURPRISED IF, UH, BACK EARLIER, YOU KNOW, UH, I THOUGHT IT WAS JUST A VERY SMALL MM-HMM . 
          THAT MAKES THOSE BALL FIELDS A UH, UH, A REAL THING. 
          THE, UH, AND I'M NOT AGAINST OTHER, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME KIND AQUA QUAD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. 
          I, I'M NOT IN OPPOSITION TO THAT, BUT I WOULD INDICATE THAT THOSE BALL FIELDS, IF YOU EVER BEEN TO A LEAGUE GAME OR LEAGUE, PRETTY PACKED DOWN A PRETTY BUSY PLACE. 
          SO, UM, TOURISM DOLLARS, UM, AND, AND THIS BEING TRAVEL BALL TEAM WILL HELP TOURISM TOO. 
          THESE BALL FIELDS WOULD, UM, ACTUALLY SERVE THE WHOLE COMMUNITY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AND I'LL JUST EXPRESS THIS, GLAD TO TALKED TO KELLY ON THE ROAD ABOUT, I'M NOT OPPOSED TO EVENTS, BUT I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK EVENTS ARE GOOD TUR, UM, SMALL BUSINESSES AND RESTAURANTS, YOU NEED MORE 
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OF A STEADY FLOW TUR, UH, AND CANOE COMPANIES. 
          I LIKE THE IDEA OF YOU, YOU HAVE A FEW, FEW EVENTS A YEAR THAT, UH, DEFINITELY THAT EXTRA SPIKE OF BUSINESS ON MAIN STREET IS DEFINITELY GOOD FOR THEM. 
          UM, I DEFINITELY WANNA SUPPORT THAT, BUT, UH, I THINK FOR GOOD TOURISM, IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST EVENTS, RIGHT? I THINK IT HAS TO BE MORE YOUR SHOULDER SEASON. 
          IT'S YEAR ROUND. 
          YEAH. 
          WE YEAR ROUND MORE STEADY FLOOD. 
          BUT I, I'D BE GLAD TO, UH, I, I'M SURE WHOEVER KELLY IS, SHE IS DEFINITELY KNOWS MORE ABOUT THIS THAN I DO. 
           INDEED. 
          SHE'S AMAZING. 
          I'D LOVE TO, UM, LOVE TO MEET UP WITH HER. 
          MM-HMM . 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? YEAH, I'D JUST LIKE TO SAY I'VE BEEN A, I THINK, YOU KNOW, AN ADVOCATE FOR, FOR LIMITING REDUNDANCY. 
          MM-HMM . 
          UM, AND THE COMMENT WOULD BE THAT IN ORDER TO ELIMINATE REDUNDANCY, WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO, IF IF YOU'VE GOT TWO ORGANIZATIONS AND YOU WANT ELIMINATE REDUNDANCY, YOU NEED TO WORK IT OUT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          AS TO WHO'S GOING TO DO WHICH PARTS. 
          EXACTLY. 
          UM, THE OTHER THING IS, UH, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE HAD A CONVERSATION THE OTHER DAY, THE TERM AUGMENTATION CAME UP. 
          AND I LIKE THAT TERM 'CAUSE AUGMENTING THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN IF, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, THE TOWN'S, UH, INVESTMENT IN HUMAN RESOURCES, YOU KNOW, HE'S DOING, DOING A GREAT JOB AND, AND HAS, HAS ACCOMPLISHED A LOT. 
          BUT THAT'S STILL ONE PERSON, RIGHT? MM-HMM. 
          SO, AND, AND, AND YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I'M GONNA MAKE A COMMENTARY ABOUT, ABOUT, UM, THE, THE WHOLE UNIVERSE OF SKILLS, BUT, BUT THERE'S A BIG UNIVERSE OF SKILLS MM-HMM . 
          AND SO AUGMENTING YEAH. 
          IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT RATHER THAN DUPLICATING. 
          CORRECT. 
          SO WE WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T HIRE THE SAME PROFILE OF PERSON. 
          YEAH. 
          AND THE, THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S WHAT I ADVOCATE FOR MM-HMM . 
          AND DON'T BE REDUNDANT. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN WHEN, WHEN THE TERM AUGMENTATION CAME UP, 'CAUSE I'VE BEGAN BEEN A BIG DIGITAL MARKETING ADVOCATE MM-HMM . 
          SO THAT'S THE WAY THINGS ARE DONE THESE DAYS. 
          SO THE AUGMENTATION BETTER MM-HMM . 
          DEAL WITH THAT . 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, SO, UM, THERE IS AGAIN, ANOTHER THING I'VE ADVOCATED FOR AND I WANT TO LIKE, CONSUME ALL THE TIME, BUT, BUT THE, THE POTENTIAL OF THE UNIVERSE OF POTENTIALITIES OUT AT ROCKLAND PARK, YOU KNOW, ARE BIG. 
          AND SO IF WE HAVE A, A SORT OF A NEST EGG, SO TO SPEAK MM-HMM . 
          UM, WHAT DO YOU SAY? INTENTIONAL? BE VERY INTENTIONAL. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND, AND I THINK THAT, UH, HAVING SOMEONE IN THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT SEAT IS A GREAT IDEA BECAUSE TO ME THAT'S WHERE THEY REALLY START TO BLEND. 
          YEP. 
          IT'S A CAPITAL PROJECT. 
          MM-HMM . 
          IT'S HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          IT'S A PUBLIC PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS, IT'S, SO THERE'S A BIG, BIG UNIVERSE OF CONSIDERATIONS MM-HMM . 
          TO BE MADE THERE. 
          AND, UM, I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT THAT DOOR KIND OF OPENING MM-HMM . 
          AND SEEING THAT THERE'S SOME CAPITAL THERE. 
          AND AGAIN, THE IDEA OF, OF NOT BEING REDUNDANT MEANS NOT SPENDING THE SAME, YOU KNOW, $2 TO DO THE SAME THING. 
          RIGHT. 
          BUT THE ACCUMULATION OF OUR, OF OUR TOURISM BASED REVENUE FOR CAPITAL MM-HMM . 
          PROJECTS TO BE CONTRIBUTORY TO THOSE PUBLIC-PRIVATE PARTNERSHIPS. 
          UM, AND THEN AGAIN, WE HAVE LAND MM-HMM . 
          SO WE HAVE THAT LAND, AND LAND IS A HUGE ASSET. 
          MM-HMM . 
          SO WE'RE BRINGING A LOT TO THE TABLE OF ANYTHING THAT WE, WE GET GOING. 
          AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHERE I'M KIND OF EXCITED TO SEE THE MM-HMM . 
          THE, THE MOMENTUM AND THE DIRECTION AGAIN, AUGMENTATION, NOT REDUNDANCY. 
          EXACTLY. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? OKAY. 
          WELL THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND AGAIN, THANK YOU AND EVERYONE, SATURDAY WAS JUST AWESOME. 
          I CAN'T SAY THAT ENOUGH. 
          ALRIGHTY. 
          SO WE'RE GOING DOWN, I ALMOST FEEL LIKE I WANNA SKIP AND GO TO, TO FOUR INSTEAD OF THREE BECAUSE WE'VE GOT STAFF BACK HERE. 
          WHAT DOES EVERYBODY FEEL ABOUT THAT OR GOING DOWN? UH, IT'S 6 35 AND THAT'S WHY, SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY OBJECTIONS, WHY DON'T WE GO TO ORDINANCE FOR TRAINING AND REVIEW OF EXEMPT PROPERTY AND TAX RELIEF. 
          UNLESS YOU WANNA SIT HERE FOR ANOTHER 45 MINUTES. 
          POSSIBLY. 
          NOW I NEED TO GO PROTECT MY CHICKENS TONIGHT. 
          . 
          UM, I PUT SOME PAPERWORK UP THERE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE VIRGINIA ACTS OF ASSEMBLY WHERE, UM, THEY ALLOW US TO HAVE A TRIANNUAL REVIEW OF EXEMPT PROPERTIES. 
          THAT'S KIND OF WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO, IS TO GET AN ORDINANCE AND IT COULD BE ANY TYPE OF ORDINANCE. 
          AND, UM, JASON MAY HAVE SOME OPTIONS. 
          I PICKED OUT ONE FROM FREDERICK COUNTY, BUT I'M SURE THERE'S A LOT OF OTHER ONES AROUND HERE. 
          UM, SHERRY, IF YOU DON'T, I DON'T WANT TO INTERRUPT YOU. 
          EVIDENTLY THE VIDEO'S OUT AGAIN. 
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UH OH. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I, I'VE SENT AN EMAIL TO UM, SWAG IT AND THEIR SUPPORT TEAM, THEY'RE WORKING ON IT NOW. 
          OKAY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY. 
          THAT'S OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF EXEMPT PROPERTIES IN WARREN COUNTY AND WE DO REVIEW THEM EVER SO OFTEN, BUT THIS WOULD KIND OF LIKE BACK US UP. 
          UM, LIKE WE COULD PULL THE CHURCHES ONE TIME, WE COULD PULL, UM, I MEAN THE LOCALITIES IS FINE. 
          I MEAN THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY PROPERTIES, BUT THERE'S SOME PROPERTIES THAT ARE BASED ON THE USE. 
          AND SO THOSE PROPERTIES COULD BE REVIEWED ALLY. 
          SO IT WOULD JUST KIND OF COVER MY OFFICE BACK US UP BASICALLY TO DO THIS. 
          CITY OF WINCHESTER HAS IT, FREDERICK COUNTY HAS IT, I'M SURE THERE'S OTHER LOCALITIES THAT HAVE IT. 
          SO ON THIS ARE THE, THE, UH, FIRST OF ALL, UH, MR. HAM, DID YOU DO THIS, THIS, UH, DO EDITS IN HERE? THERE ARE SOME STRIKEOUTS AND ITALICS IN HERE. 
          IS THAT FROM YOU OR IS THAT FROM, OR IS THAT FROM YOU, UH, MS. SELLER? UH, IS THIS A, GOING BACK TO THE SON OF SCHOOL BOARD STUFF, IS THIS A WHITE PIECE OF PAPER? VIRGINIA ACTS OF ASSEMBLY 1999. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, THAT'S JUST THE, UH, ACTUAL LAW. 
          OKAY. 
          AND IT'S SHOWING YOU SOME UPDATES. 
          UM, UH, MRS. SAUERS, ARE THOSE THE UPDATES THAT ARE BECOMING EFFECTIVE IN THIS YEAR? JULY 1ST OF 26TH. 
          I JUST, I WENT OUT THERE AND PRINTED THIS OUT 'CAUSE I WANTED THE DETAIL OF IT. 
          UM, YEAH, I GUESS I'LL JUST GET TO WHAT I WAS WONDERING IS THE ITALICIZED PARAGRAPH IN THE MIDDLE, WHICH IT SAYS A LOCAL GOVERNING BODY. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS IS FROM THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY. 
          I DID NOT DRAFT THIS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THIS IS JUST A, THIS IS A LAW THAT GIVES Y'ALL THE RIGHT TO DO THIS ORDINANCE. 
          AND I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS, BUT SEEMS LIKE A GOOD IDEA TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE STILL COMPLIANT. 
          YEAH. 
          I HAVEN'T LOOKED THROUGH YOUR CODE. 
          I'M ASSUMING MRS. SAUERS HAS, WE DON'T ALREADY HAVE SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON THE BOOKS, IS THAT RIGHT? NO, WE DO NOT. 
          OKAY. 
          YEAH, I MEAN, I, I I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY HAVING REVENUE LEAKAGE FROM PROPERTIES THAT HAVE CHANGED HANDS OR CHANGED USE. 
          SO THAT'S WHY WE WOULD DO THIS. 
          DIDN'T MAKE SENSE. 
          UM, I'M ALSO AWARE THOUGH, AT THE STATE LEVEL THAT THIS WAS WEAPONIZED AGAINST A PARTICULAR NONPROFIT FOR VIEWPOINT DISCRIMINATION AND UH, THAT WAS THE DAUGHTERS OF THE CONFEDERACY, I THINK. 
          UM, AND UH, I'M WONDERING IF THAT ITALICIZED PARAGRAPH, UH, RELATES TO THAT WHERE IT SAYS THAT THE LOCAL, THE LOCAL ASSEMBLY CAN GIVE A LIST THAT THEY WANT TO BE DE-LISTED FROM BEING EXEMPT. 
          UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE IF WE HAVE THIS IN OUR COUNTY, THAT WE HAVE AN APPEALS PROCESS AND, AND SOME GUARDRAILS SO THAT THERE'S NO POLITICIZATION INVOLVED WITH IT. 
          WELL, AFTER HEARING MR. BILL THIS MORNING, UM, I'M WONDERING IF WE NEED TO HAVE A, I DON'T NECESSARILY SAY A WORK, UM, SESSION, BUT MAYBE A WORK GROUP TO GET TOGETHER AND MAYBE EVEN HAVE, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN BOARD MEMBERS, WHOEVER ON YOUR STAFF AND YOU AND  PEOPLE FROM MAYBE A COUPLE PEOPLE FROM THE COMMUNITY OR WHATEVER TO, I KNOW I NEED TO BE BETTER EDUCATED ON WHAT THE RULES ARE. 
          WHO SETS THE RULES? IS THIS, ARE WE BEHOLDING TO WHAT THE STATE, YOU KNOW, DOES IT TELLS US. 
          AND, YOU KNOW, TO GET BETTER EDUCATED AND THEN FIGURE OUT, LIKE MR. HENRY HAS SAID HOUSING, YOU KNOW, IF THE QUALIFICATIONS ARE SO LOW BECAUSE HOUSING HAS GONE UP SO MUCH, UM, YOU KNOW WHERE WE ARE. 
          SO WE KNOW WE ARE BEING AS FAIR TO THE PEOPLE AS WE CAN. 
          AND YOU KNOW, THAT'S MY THOUGHT ON THAT. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHAT EVERYTHING ELSE, AND THAT WAS GONNA BE MY NEXT, UH, MY NEXT TALK WAS GONNA BE ON THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SORRY, JUST THAT'S UNDER BUT I, I AGREE ON THAT'S YOU FOR ELDER RELIEF. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE JUST CLEAR PROCEDURES AND AND CONDITIONS AND APPEALS PROCESSES. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          THE STATE KINDA GIVES US BASE GUIDELINES AND THEY ALLOW THE LOCALITIES THEN TO SET THE INCOME BRACKETS AND THE, UH, FINANCIAL NET WORTH AND THOSE TYPES OF ITEMS. AND I, I GUESS THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE YOU COULDN'T, THE STATE COULDN'T 
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SAY HERE'S A BLANKET BECAUSE WE DON'T COMPARE TO NORTHERN VIRGINIA. 
          NO. 
          AND, AND THOSE KIND OF THINGS. 
          SO IT WOULD HAVE TO HAVE TO BE, UM, BUT I KNOW I'M NOT WELL VERSED IN IT AND WHENEVER ANYBODY CALLS ME ABOUT IT, I'LL ALWAYS REFER THEM TO YOU. 
          AND I, I THINK AT, AT THIS POINT I'D LIKE TO BE BETTER EDUCATED ON IT TO KNOW AND YOU KNOW, WHERE, WHERE IT STANDS NOW AND WHAT, WHAT WE NEED TO MAYBE TWEAK IN IT AND SO FORTH. 
          SO I, YOU KNOW, WHO ELSE HAS GOT SOME THOUGHTS THERE? BUT IT'S LIKE THE NET WORTH THING FOR THREE FINANCIAL, I UNDERSTAND THAT INCLUDE FIRST OUTPUT, IT EXCLUDES THE HOUSE AND THE UH, UP TO FIVE ACRES. 
          IT DOESN'T EXCLUDE THE 4 0 1. 
          NO, ALL INCOMES INCLUDED. 
          THE NET WORTH OF INCOME FOUR. 
          OH, MIGHT BE THREE, BUT IT AIN'T PAYING JUST OFF THE INTEREST OF IT. 
          65 DIE. 
          I JUST $60,000, UH, TWO PEOPLE. 
          IS THAT A COMBINED INCOME OR IS THAT PER PERSON THAT'S COMBINED INCOME SECURITY? IT VARIES. 
          MY SOCIAL SECURITY  SOME IS 12,000, SOME'S 20,000 SOME HIGHER. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU SKIPPING OVER ME, BUT , SORRY I COULDN'T, BUT I SAY IT VARIES. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY IT GOES BY THE LAST THREE YEARS OF YOUR, OF YOUR, WHAT YOU GOT PAID. 
          RIGHT. 
          UH, YOUR SALARY. 
          SO IT, IT IS, YOU KNOW, I CAN, I CAN TELL YOU I COULDN'T LIVE OFF MINE ALONE. 
          IF IT WAS, UH, AND IT SAYS, AND I'M FRUGAL, IF IT'S THREE PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, YOU, YOU CAN BUY ALL THREE. 
          I MEAN, IF IT WAS THREE EL, I KNOW A COUPLE PLACES WHERE THEY'RE ALL KNOWN IN THE SAME HOUSE TO KIND SHARE EXPENSES. 
          THEY'RE ALL ELDERLY, BUT YOU'RE BUYING ALL THREE OF 'EM AT 20 A PIECE. 
          I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S, IT'S JUST NO MONEY. 
          THE ONE THING THAT WE DO NEED TO WORK ON IS THE EXCEPTION ON THE INCOME LIMIT. 
          WE HAVE 5,000, OTHER LOCALITIES HAVE 80 510,000. 
          WE NEED TO INCREASE THAT. 
          OTHER THAN THE SPOUSE. 
          WHICH ONE THAT WOULD, THIS ONE IS RIGHT HERE. 
          COLUMN YES, MIDDLE COLUMN. 
          OH, ON THAT, I WAS LOOKING ALL THAT DOWN BECAUSE WE CAN EXCLUDE THAT OFF THE INCOME OF PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE HOUSE, RELATIVES AND STUFF WHO LIVE IN THE HOUSE. 
          GOTCHA. 
          SO THAT NEEDS TO BE INCREASED. 
          I GUESS WE NEED TO REVIEW THESE NUMBERS. 
          THEN AS FAR AS THE INCOME LIMITS ARE, THE FAKI COUNTY HAS THE HIGHEST INCOME LIMIT OF 72,000. 
          IT USED TO BE IN FAKI COUNTY, IT WAS STRAIGHT A HUNDRED PERCENT. 
          BUT I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION. 
          THAT'S WHY I HAVE A QUESTION MARK IN THERE. 
          AND THAT'S COMBINED TOO FOR REGARDLESS. 
          YES. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S THEIR TOP INCOME LIMIT. 
          SO WE'RE KIND OF, WHETHER IT'S ONE OR THREE PEOPLE LIVING IN THE HOUSE COMBINED, ALL THREE, THAT JUST SEEMS KIND OF UNFAIR. 
          BUT NOW THEY EXCLUDE 10,000 ON THEIRS, ON WHO? THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT LIVES IN THE HOUSE WHERE WE'RE ONLY EXCLUDING 5,000. 
          AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE, ARE WE, YES, WE'RE DOING A SLIDING SCALE. 
          SO IF SOMEBODY LIVES IN WARREN COUNTY AND THEY MAKE BETWEEN 50,001 TO 60,000, THEY'RE GETTING 25%. 
          SOMEBODY LIVES IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY MAKING THAT MONEY, THEY DON'T GET ANYTHING BECAUSE THEIRS CAPS AT 40,000, IF SOMEBODY LIVES IN FREDERICK COUNTY, THERE'S CAPS AT 59,000. 
          THEY ONLY GET 10% ON THAT HIGHER BRACKET IN CULPEPER COUNTY, THEIR HIGHER BRACKET GETS 5% AND  COUNTY 
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FALK HERE AND WARREN HAVE THE HIGHEST ACREAGE. 
          EVERYONE ELSE IS ONE ACRE. 
          SO THAT'S INTERESTING. 
          YES. 
          BUT I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD. 
          YEAH, THAT'S NOT SURE THAT WE COULD LOWER THAT. 
          AND THERE'S A REASON WHY AND JASON COULD PROBABLY HELP WITH THAT. 
          AND THAT'S THEIR VETERANS. 
          I, UM, THE VETERANS KIND OF FOLLOW THE TAX RELIEF ORDINANCE AS FAR AS THE ACREAGE IS CONCERNED. 
          SO I DON'T THINK THAT WE COULD LOWER THAT. 
          OH, I'M NOT SAYING LOWER IT. 
          I WAS JUST NOTICING, YOU KNOW, COMPARING WARREN COUNTY TO SOME OF THE OTHERS, LIKE YEAH, WE HAVE A HIGH RANKING INCOME LIMIT. 
          WE'RE, WE'RE FAIRLY THERE WITH EVERYBODY, BUT FALL HERE. 
          YES. 
          UM, AND SOME OF THE, EVEN THE, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, ESTIMATED VALUE OF THE HOMES WE'RE, WE'RE ABOVE MOST OF THEM, BUT JUST BELOW FALL HERE. 
          SO THERE'S, THERE'S SOME EQUITY THERE OF WHAT SURROUND WHERE WE ARE WITH SURROUNDING AREAS. 
          UM, NOW THE ONE THING THAT FREDERICK COUNTY HAS, AND I DIDN'T REALIZE THIS, THEY ALSO HAVE A DEFERRAL PROGRAM. 
          SO IF SAY YOU ONLY QUALIFY FOR 35% ON THE EXEMPTION, YOU CAN GET A DEFERRAL ON THE REST OF IT. 
          AND THEY ALSO HAVE A DEFERRAL AND DELAY FOR THE PAYMENT AND ONLY CHARGE 8% INTEREST AND NO PENALTY. 
          NOW WHEN YOU SAY DEFERRAL VERSUS EXEMPTION, DOES YOU PAY BACK? THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA ASK. 
          WHERE, SAY I WAS IN THE DEFERRAL PROGRAM AND I'M LEAVING EVERYTHING TO MY KIDS, THEN I PASS AWAY. 
          THEY HAVE TO PAY, IT'S A LIE AGAINST THE PROPERTY FOR, WHAT IS IT, FIVE YEARS OR, I DO NOT KNOW THAT. 
          UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE THAT PROGRAM. 
          NO, WE DO NOT. 
          WE'VE NEVER HAD A DEFERRAL IN WARREN COUNTY. 
          IT'S ALWAYS BEEN EXEMPTION TOWN OF RURAL HAS A DEFERRAL. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY, I THOUGHT AND, AND MY GRANDMOTHER LIVED IN TOWN LIMITS, SO THAT'S PROBABLY WHY 'CAUSE SHE, I DON'T THINK SHE EVER OPTED INTO THAT, BUT, UM, I THOUGHT WE DID. 
          I WAS GONNA SAY I THOUGHT WE HAD IT, BUT SHEILA WAS IN TOWN LIMITS. 
          SO THAT WOULD BE THE DIFFERENCE. 
          AND THERE'S TWO LOCALITIES, KOHL, PEPPER AND SHENANDOAH COUNTY HAVE A CAP THAT MEANS THEY'RE, THEY, THEY QUALIFY FOR THE EXEMPTION, BUT THEY ONLY PAY THEM $1,500 OUT FOR THE EXEMPTION. 
          THAT'S ALL THEY ALLOW ON BOTH OF THEM. 
          COLD PEPPER AND CHATO COUNTY. 
          SO TWO 1500 FOLLOW AND THAT'S IT. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S ALL THEY GET. 
          SO WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME, I KNOW WE, WE TWEAKED SOMETHING IN THE LAST YEAR OR SO, BUT THIS, WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME WE REALLY MADE ANY BIG CHANGES TO ANY OF THIS? DO YOU THE SLIDING SCALE, I BELIEVE IT WAS IN 15. 
          15 WAS WHEN THAT WAS INTRODUCED. 
          REDUCED. 
          THE GUY THAT SPOKE EARLIER, MY MIC OFF, I'M CUT. 
          THE GUY THAT SPOKE EARLIER, UH, THAT DIDN'T MAKE THE EXEMPTION. 
          I THINK HE HAD INDICATED THAT HIS INCOME WAS HIGH BECAUSE HIS WIFE QUALIFIED FOR DISABILITY. 
          AND THEN, AND I KNEW, UH, I KNOW A LITTLE BIT HOW THAT WORKS, BUT IT GOES BY YOUR APPLICATION DATE AND THEY'LL PAY YOU THE BACK. 
          SO HE MIGHT'VE GOT A ONE TIME PAYMENT THAT MADE IS THE WAY IT SOUNDED, IT MADE THAT YEAR HIGHER. 
          BUT I, I GUESS DO YOU KNOW WHY HIS APPLICATION, WHAT HE FAILED FOR OR WE ALLOWED TO ASK THAT HERE. 
          IS THAT TOO PERSONAL? THAT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE TOO PERSONAL. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          HIM TALKING ABOUT IS ONE THING I, MY PARTNER JASON KINS WORKED ON THIS. 
          I WAS GONNA ASK HIM ABOUT IT. 
          I THINK IT'S VERY PERSONAL AND UM, HE SORT OF MADE IT PUBLIC, BUT I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE TALKING ABOUT IT. 
          YEAH, OKAY. 
          MAY MAYBE I'LL REACH OUT TO HIM DIRECTLY THEN. 
          'CAUSE I, HE SEEMS LIKE A GOOD CANDIDATE BUT I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T REALLY SEE HIS FINANCIAL EITHER. 
          THERE, THERE WAS A REASON FOR WHAT WAS DONE. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT. 
          AND IT WAS THE RIGHT ANSWER. 
          AND BASICALLY THE, THE RULES THAT MRS. SAUERS HAS TO, YOU KNOW, BACK IN BIBLICAL TIMES, IF YOU WERE FRIENDS WITH THE TAX COLLECTOR OR THE, THE OLD FASHIONED COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE, YOU DIDN'T PAY TAXES. 
          I MEAN SHE'S EXTREMELY HEAVILY REGULATED. 
          THAT'S WHY SHE'S TALKING TO YOU NOW ABOUT RECOMMENDING SOME CHANGES. 
          SO JUST BECAUSE SHE, YOU KNOW, THE PERSON FEELS SORRY FOR HIM, THAT'S NOT THE STANDARD. 
          YOU KNOW, IT'S GOTTA MEET THE LETTER OF WHAT THE RULES ARE AND UH, HE DID NOT. 
          SO FAIR ENOUGH. 
          WELL, AND, AND, BUT IN GENERAL, QUESTION ON, UM, COMPLETE DISABILITY, DOES THAT PLAY INTO PEOPLE THAT ARE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISQUALIFIED? 
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I I KNOW THE VETERANS IT DOES. 
          I THINK YOU TOLD ME THAT JUST LIKE IF I WAS A HUNDRED PERCENT DISQUALIFIED, UM, DISABLED NOT A VETERAN, DISABLED NOT, YES, IT, DOES IT PLAY INTO EXEMPTIONS ON ANY OF THIS? YES, YES. 
          WE HAVE EXEMPTION FOR TAX RELIEF FOR THE AGE AND THEN WE FOR THE DISABILITY. 
          OKAY. 
          YOU JUST HAVE TO MEET THE SAME GUIDELINES ON THE A, WELL NOT THE AGE BUT THE INCOME BRACKET. 
          THE AGE YOU CAN BE ANY AGE ON DISABILITY, BUT THEIR DISABILITY PAYMENTS ARE CONSIDERED INCOME AND THEY'RE NOT EXEMPT FROM BEING CONSIDERED BECAUSE IT'S DISABILITY VERSUS NO, IT'S VIRGINIA INCOME IS INCOME. 
          VIRGINIA INCOME TAXES, IF YOU RECEIVE DISABILITY, THE STATE OF VIRGINIA ALLOWS YOU A SUBTRACTION ON YOUR INCOME TAX RETURN TO SUBTRACT OFF DISABILITY. 
          THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR TAX RELIEF HERE. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SUBTRACTION. 
          IT'S ALL INCOME. 
          AND IS THAT, IS THAT A STATE THING OR JUST US OR IS THE OTHER COUNTIES? THAT'S ALL. 
          ALL COUNTIES. 
          ALL COUNTIES. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT WAS WHERE I WAS GETTING TO. 
          IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE A CHOICE IN OR IS THAT ANOTHER, YOU SHALL DO IT THIS WAY. 
          SO IT'S, THIS IS ALL INCOME. 
          OKAY. 
          AND I DID NOT INCLUDE THE STATE CODE. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THAT TO YOU OR NOT, BUT I SENT YOU THE LOCAL CODE. 
          IT IT THAT'S ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION. 
          THE CODE OF VIRGINIA 50, VERY FIRST PARAGRAPH DEFERRAL EXEMPTION FROM DEFERRAL OF, OR A COMBINATION PROGRAM, REAL ESTATE MANUFACTURE, HOMETOWN COMPREHENSIVE, BUT THE, IT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS THEIR INCOME. 
          WELL WE CAN WRITE AN ON THIS YES. 
          THAT ADDRESSES IT. 
          YEAH, THAT, THAT GIVES YOU SOME FLEXIBILITY. 
          THAT'S WHY YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHAT YOUR PEERS ARE DOING. 
          WELL AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS ASKING IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE STATE WILL ALLOW US TO AS A COMMUNITY TO SAY IF YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED NON-VET, THAT YOU ARE EXEMPT FROM INCLUDING THAT AS YOUR INCOME. 
          I GO AHEAD AND READ THIS, THAT THE STATE STATUTE, THE GOVERNING BODY BY ORDINANCE PROVIDE FOR EXEMPTION FROM THE UH, OR WE  OF EXEMPTIONS. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THERE ARE FIVE MORE THAN A DOZEN OTHER CODE SECTIONS THAT TALK MORE ABOUT IT. 
          SO I DO THEY UNDO THAT ? WELL I THINK WHAT YOU'RE READING IS, YOU KNOW, ACCURATE. 
          UM, I THINK YOUR DISCRETION IS GOING TO BE, YOU KNOW, $70,000 A YEAR OR $80,000 A YEAR OR $300,000 IN ASSETS OR $500,000 IN ASSETS. 
          THAT'S THE WAY I WOULD READ THAT. 
          AND THEN EXACTLY WHO IS ELIGIBLE AND UNDER WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES I THINK IS HEAVILY REGULATED. 
          SO Y'ALL GET TO DECIDE KIND OF THE NUMBERS. 
          YEAH, I THINK THAT THIS TABLE, WHICH HAS ALL THESE DIFFERENT MEMBERS FOR ALL THESE DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS IS AN IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS STATUTE THAT SAYS THEY MAY BUY ORDINANCE FOR WHAT EXEMPTION FROM YEAH, THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT. 
          BUT WHAT MR. COLORS WAS SAYING WAS ASKING A VERY SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT AN X, Y, Z CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          CAN YOU DO XI DON'T KNOW, WITHOUT READING ALL THIS, BUT WHAT YOU SAID, DR. 
          JAMESON, WHICH IS THAT, YOU KNOW, THE COUNTY GETS TO DECIDE WHAT THE NUMBERS ARE THAT'S ACCURATE. 
          UH, NOT EQUI, BUT DOES IT LITERALLY SAY, NOT SAY NOTHING? RIGHT. 
          IT SAYS THE GOVERNMENT MAY BUY ORDINANCE. 
          SO COULD THAT ORDINANCE SAY IF YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT DISABLED, UH, WHATEVER YOUR, WHAT WERE YOU TRYING TO COME UP WITH? WHAT WAS THE CONDITION TO X, Y, Z NON-VETERAN? A HUNDRED PERCENT SAY YEAH, YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT BECAUSE A VETERAN A HUNDRED PERCENT THEY DISABLED IS AUTOMATIC. 
          I GUESS YOU'D HAVE TO GO SEARCH THROUGH ALL THOSE OTHER THINGS THAT YES. 
          WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT SECOND QUESTION, BUT THE FIRST QUESTION ON AMOUNTS IS YEAH, YOU ALL DECIDE THE AMOUNTS. 
          OTHERWISE 
          [04:35:01]
THERE'S LOTS OF DIFFERENT DETAIL IN HERE ABOUT WHAT CAN AND CANNOT BE DONE. 
          AND AND THE OTHER CAVEAT HERE IS IT SAYS OF CERTAIN ELDERLY AND HANDICAPPED PERSON. 
          SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE ELDERLY TO BE HANDICAPPED EITHER. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, YEAH, THAT'S, YOU CAN BE A 30-YEAR-OLD AND BE TOTALLY UM, 100% YES. 
          THE H DOES NOT COME INTO EFFECT ON DISABILITY. 
          NO. 
          SO YOU, YOU WOULD ASK FOR THIS THING, UH, TO HAVE THE BACK TO THE TRI-ANNUAL REVIEW. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ASK IS THE THE REVIEW. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN, UH, IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE YOU SAID YOU RECOMMENDED. 
          I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. 
          AND THEN YEAH, ON THE TAX RELIEF I RECOMMENDED THAT WE INCREASE THE EXCEPTION ON THE INCOME. 
          RIGHT NOW WE HAVE 5,000, WHICH IS FAIRLY LOW COMPARED TO THESE OTHER LOCALITIES. 
          YOU GOT A HAPPY NUMBER THERE. 
          WE'VE GOT TWO LOCALITIES WITH 8,500. 
          WE'VE GOT SHANO COUNTY HAS 7,000. 
          FACURE HAS 10,000. 
          SO ON THE OTHER SIDE IT COULD EITHER GO FREDERICK'S MORE IN LINE WITH US, FREDERICK AND SHENANDOAH. 
          SO SOMEWHERE BETWEEN SEVEN AND 85 85 I GUESS BEING THE HIGH END, UH, NOW IS IS OTHER THAN SPOUSE WHAT IT MEANS IF YOU HAVE RELATIVES AND STUFF OKAY. 
          LIVING IN YOUR HOME. 
          AND I THINK OUR ORDINANCE SAYS OTHER THAN RELATIVES LIVING IN THE HOME. 
          SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT'S NOT A RELATIVE THAT'S LIVING IN THE HOME, YOU CAN ALSO USE THAT SAME EXCLUSION ON THEIR INCOME. 
          I THINK OUR ORDINANCE IS RELATIVES OR NON-RELATIVES. 
          OTHER PEOPLE SAY OTHER THAN SPOUSE, BUT IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE SPOUSE. 
          RIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          BUT IF, IF, UH, ON THE ONES THAT SAY OTHER THAN SPOUSE, COULD IT BE A BROTHER AND STILL USE THAT MONEY OR THAT EXEMPTION? 'CAUSE IT DOESN'T SAY THAT. 
          NEVER CARRIED. 
          OF COURSE SOMETIMES SOME OF 'EM SAY OTHER THAN SPOUSE AND THEN OTHERS IT JUST GOT A MONETARY AMOUNT. 
          I THINK YOU'RE GONNA FIND THAT ALL OF 'EM SAYS OTHER THAN SPOUSE. 
          'CAUSE I THINK THAT'S FROM THE STATE CODE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE COULD PICK A NUMBER THERE OR, OR RAISE THAT, ELEVATE THAT. 
          UH, IT MAY HELP A FEW PEOPLE SOMEWHERE, I HOPE. 
          AND THEN I RECKON THE REST OF IT I SOUNDS LIKE I NEED STUDY ON IT A LITTLE BIT MORE UNLESS SOMEBODY ELSE HAS GOT SOME I MIGHT WANNA ADD IN. 
          ANY OF THESE CHANGES THAT YOU ALL DECIDE ON WILL NOT BE EFFECTIVE FOR THIS YEAR. 
          IT WON'T GO INTO EFFECT UNTIL NEXT YEAR, CORRECT? YEAH. 
          JANUARY ONE. 
          JANUARY ONE. 
          SO YOU ALL HAVE TIME YEP. 
          TO THINK ON IT. 
          YEP. 
          WELL I I DEFINITELY THINK WE'VE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THAT HARDER AND UM, FIGURE IT OUT. 
          I THINK 'CAUSE THAT, AND WE HAVE SOMETIME I GUESS ON THE TRIANNUAL REVIEW, UM, I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE A FILING DEADLINE ON SOME OF THESE LOCALITIES LATER THAN THE FIRST CALENDAR DAY OF OBSESSION. 
          I'LL HAVE TO LOOK. 
          I WANNA SAY THERE WAS ONE OF 'EM THAT HAD A FILING DEADLINE IN THERE. 
          SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T GO TOO CLOSE TO THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF YOU ALL WANNA REVIEW THOSE AND SEND ME QUESTIONS OR WANT ME TO DO SOME MORE DIGGING, I CAN, I CAN DIG UP SOME MORE ORDINANCE, LOCAL ORDINANCES ON THE TRI-ANNUAL REVIEW. 
          OKAY. 
          WHY WOULD, WHY WOULD YEAH. 
          PICK, PICK ONE THAT YOU LIKE ? OH YEAH. 
          I MEAN LET LEGAL REVIEW IT AND IF IT SUITS OUR NEEDS, I, I WHY WOULDN'T YOU? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? NO. 
          WELL THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          NOW I CAN GO FIGHT FOR MY CHICKENS. 
          I LOST SEVEN LAST NIGHT. 
          [04:40:01]
UH OH. 
          OH THAT'S, OH THAT'S BAD. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN. 
          MADAM CHAIRMAN, I'M SORRY, GO AHEAD. 
          I WAS GONNA MAKE A SUGGESTION. 
          YOU HAVE A MEETING SCHEDULED FOR NEXT WEEK ON THE NINTH AND ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT IS HIGH TOP ROAD PLATTED HOUSING DEVELOPMENT STAFF THAT WAS GOING TO HANDLE THAT BROUGHT HOME. 
          SO I'M WONDERING THESE REMAINING ITEMS COULD BE MOVED TO THE NINTH. 
          I'M FINE WITH THAT IF EVERYBODY ELSE IS OKAY WITH IT. 
          I DIDN'T QUITE CATCH THOUGH WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT THE HIGH TOP ROAD STAFF IS WHAT STAFF THAT WAS GONNA HANDLE THAT IS NOT HERE. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL I, I WAS GONNA, THAT WAS GONNA BE SHORT ANYWAY. 
          ALL I WAS GOING TO SUGGEST TO THE BOARD IF THEY WANTED TO LOOK INTO IT FURTHER TO SEE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING WE COULD DO. 
          THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO DO ON THAT ONE ANYWAY, SO THAT WORKS FOR ME. 
          SO WE'LL, UM, TABLE ITEM THREE, FIVE AND SIX TILL THE NINTH. 
          SO MOVED SECOND ON THAT. 
          WE ALL YEAH. 
          IS IT? YEP. 
          YEP. 
          AND THEN, OKAY, RICH, SECONDED. 
          I GOT IT. 
          CALL MR. HENDERSON ON THIS. 
          I KNOW IT'S WORK SESSION BOOK STILL. 
          UH, DR. 
          JAMISON. 
          A MR. HENRY. 
          AYE MAD CHAIR. 
          AYE MR. CARTER? AYE MR. SANDBERG? AYE. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHTY. 
          WELL IT'S BEEN A LONG DAY BUT WE'VE COVERED A LOT OF GROUND, SO APPRECIATE EVERYONE AND SAFE, UM, TRAVELS HOME.
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