* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. THERE WE GO. [00:00:01] ALRIGHT, [A. 5:00 PM - Closed Session] IT'S A FEW MINUTES AFTER FIVE AND IT'S, UH, JUNE 23RD, 2026. MR. CARTER, WOULD YOU READ US INTO A CLOSED SESSION, UH, SESSION? YEAH. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A ONE FOR THE DISCUSSION AND CONSIDERATION OF PROSPECTIVE CANDIDATES FOR EMPLOYMENT ASSIGNMENT, APPOINTMENT, PROMOTION, PERFORMANCE, SALARIES, OR RESIGNATION OF SPECIFIC PUBLIC OFFICERS, APPOINTEES OR EMPLOYEES OF THE PUBLIC BODY. THE SUBJECT MATTERS, THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR POSITION IS THERE A SECOND. SECOND WILL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON AYE. MR. HENRY AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE WILL BE IN CLOSED SESSION. THANK YOU. AND THIS HERE IS JUST FOR THE BOARD. OKAY. [C. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America] I WANNA WELCOME EVERYONE HERE FOR THE JUNE 23RD, 2026 MEETING. MR. CARTER, WOULD YOU READ US OUT CLOSED SESSION, PLEASE? YES, MA'AM. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD CERTIFIES THE BEST OF EACH MEMBER'S KNOWLEDGE ONLY PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS, LAWFULLY EXEMPTED FROM OPEN MEETING REQUIREMENTS UNDER SECTION 2.2 DASH 3 7 1 A, ONE OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT, AND ONLY SUCH PUBLIC BUSINESS MATTERS AS WERE IDENTIFIED IN THE MOTION BY WHICH THE CLOSED MEETING WAS CONVENED, WERE HEARD, DISCUSSED, OR CONSIDERED IN THE MEETING BY THE PUBLIC BODY. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON, PLEASE. DR. DR. JAMESON. AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. OKAY. I'LL CALL THE ORDER THE MEETING OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND IF EVERYONE, UM, WELL, WE'LL START OUT WITH A MOMENT OF PRAYER, WHICH I THINK WE NEED A LOT OF TONIGHT. AND PASTOR BUTCH HAMMOND, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THANK YOU. CAN WE BOW OUR HEADS FOR A MOMENT? FATHER, AS WE COME TONIGHT TO DO BUSINESS, WE KNOW THAT YOUR WORD DECLARES THAT WITHIN EACH MAN'S HEART WE MAKE OUR PLANS, BUT YOU ARE THE ONE THAT DIRECTS OUR STEPS. SO WE PRAY TONIGHT THAT YOU WOULD DIRECT EVERY THOUGHT, EVERY WORD, EVERY ACTION, EVERY ATTITUDE, ALL THAT WE DO AND ALL THAT WE SAY. LET IT BE DONE IN THE NAME OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST. WE ASK THAT YOU DIRECT THAT LORD TO BRING HONOR AND TO BRING GLORY TO YOU. AND WE ASK IT IN THAT BEAUTIFUL NAME OF JESUS. AMEN AND AMEN. AMEN. THANK YOU SIR. IF EVERYONE WOULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE. PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE. TO THE FLAG. TO THE FLAG. THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, REPUBLIC FOR JUSTICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. UM, [D. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions] ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS? YES MA'AM. I MOVE TO AMEND THE AGENDA TO INCLUDE ITEM D ONE CONSIDERATION OF THE EMPLOYMENT OF THE POSITION OF INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. AND I THINK, LET ME CHECK HERE. I WRITE IT DOWN. I THINK IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, THAT WE WANT TO DELETE ITEM I SIX REGARDING THE DESIGNATION OF CER CERTAIN PRIVATE ROADS AND THAT WAS AT THE REQUEST OF THE APPLICANT. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. OKAY. UH, I THINK IS, WAS THAT ALL THE ADDITIONS? OKAY. AND IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON AYE. MR. HENRY AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STANMORE? AYE. OKAY. AT THIS TIME I DON'T THINK SHERIFF KLEIN HAS GOTTEN HERE YET. WE'RE GONNA DO D ONE. YEAH, I WOULD ASK THAT. UM, WE, WE'LL MOVE HER PRESENTATION DOWN UNTIL SHE GETS HERE WHEN FOR THAT, UH, [Additional Item] D ONE. OKAY. I MOVE THAT THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR'S TEMPORARY CONTRACT AND EMPLOYMENT AND EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND RULE CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. STAN MEYER. AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. ADAM CHAIR? NO. MR. HENRY? NO. DR. JAMESON. ALRIGHT, MADAM CHAIRMAN, I ALSO MOVE THAT JANE MEADOWS BE THE INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY AT A SALARY OF 181,500. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMISON? AYE. MR. HENRY? [00:05:01] AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STAN MEYER. AYE. [F. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)] AND AT THIS TIME THAT WILL PUT US DOWN TO PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS A 60 MINUTE TIME PERIOD WHERE SPEAKERS GET A THREE MINUTE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK ON, UM, WHATEVER YOU WANNA SPEAK ON. WE WOULD ASK YOU NOT TO SPEAK ON ITEMS THAT ARE HERE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE YOU'LL HAVE TIME DURING EACH PUBLIC HEARING TO MAKE COMMENTS ON THOSE. ALL COMMENTS SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE. BE CONSIDERATE OF YOUR FELLOW SPEAKERS. THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS. THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF SUPPORT FOR COMMENTS BY MADE, BY SPEAKERS, PLACARDS, POSTERS, AND OTHER MEANS A VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS WILL NOT BE PERMITTED. UM, BUT THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE INFORMATION, UM, MATERIALS USED AS A FACTUAL PRESENTATION DURING SOME OF OUR PUBLIC HEARING PARTS. THE BOARD WILL NOT TOLERATE PERSONAL ATTACKS BY ANYONE ON OR OF ANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THE PROCEEDING. AND ANYONE WHO VIOLATES THIS WILL BE ASKED TO LEAVE BY THE CHAIRMAN. UH, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? YES MA'AM. JOHN JENKINS. I DUNNO. THIS IS, THIS IS NEW. THESE ARE SOMETHING NEW WE GOT FOR PEOPLE THAT ARE HEARING IMPAIRED, UH, SO THAT YOU CAN HEAR THE MEETING BETTER. SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN TALK WITH THOSE ALARM, BUT WE'LL GIVE IT A WHIRL HERE. , LEMME TRY IT. DOES THAT WORK? YOU SOUND OKAY TO US? OKAY. JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. UH, YOU KNOW, I KNOW THAT THE COUNTY NEEDS TO INCREASE REVENUE AND, UH, BE PREPARED FOR, UH, UNEXPECTED EMERGENCIES. HAPPENS ALL THE TIME. UH, YOU KNOW, AT TIMES I'VE HAD TO, UH, GIVE UP ON LUXURIES AND, UH, TO BEAT, UH, URGENT THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN MY LIFE. SO I KNOW ABOUT TRYING TO PUT THINGS ASIDE AND HOW TO SPEND MONEY AND HOW NOT TO. SO I REVIEWED SOME OF THE THINGS ON THIS. THE, UH, THE, THE, UH, FINANCIAL INFORMATION THAT'S ATTACHED TO THE AGENDA. AND I SEE, UH, PARTS AND REC SPENT $1,023 ON, ON SIGNATURE COINS. AND TO THEM A MONTH OR SO BACK SPENT ABOUT $5,000 ON, UH, SIGNATURE COINS AND $4,000 FOR COOKIES AND OR CUPCAKES. SO THAT ADDS UP TO ABOUT $10,000. SO I GUESS MY QUESTION IS, HOW DOES THAT BENEFIT THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY? WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THEM? I MEAN, I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO PUSH THE TOURISM THING, MAYBE THAT HELPS BRING TOURISM IN. I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. I'M JUST ASKING WHAT DOES IT DO FOR THE AVERAGE CITIZEN SINCE WE'RE THE ONES THAT ARE PROVIDING THE FINANCES FOR THESE THINGS? ONE OF THE OTHER THINGS I, I KNOW THAT THE BOARD SPENT, IT SAYS ABOUT $8,000 FOR ADVERTISEMENTS FOR DIFFERENT THINGS. FOR ONE OF THE ITEMS WAS A POSITION FOR AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT MANAGER. AND THAT POSITION, OR THE AD STATED THAT THE STARTING SALARY WAS $104,000 IN SOME CHANGE. AND THEN I FIND OUT THAT THAT PERSON THAT WAS HIRED IS ACTUALLY MAKING 163,000. SO HOW COME THE BIG DISCREPANCY THERE AND WHAT WAS ADVERTISED AND WHAT THAT PERSON GOT, AND IF YOU WOULD'VE ADVERTISED THAT YOU'RE GONNA PAY 163,000, THEN YOU MAY HAVE HAD MORE APPLICANTS TO CHOOSE FROM. NOT SAYING THAT THE PERSON THAT YOU HIRED IS NOT QUALIFIED, BUT WHY THE, WHY THIS BIG INCREASE? SO IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. I DON'T WANT ANOTHER TAX INCREASE. UH, I WAS HERE LAST NIGHT AND THERE WERE 350 PEOPLE THAT OPPOSED THE DATA CENTER THAT'S TRYING TO GO INTO THE TOWN. THE TOWN'S GONNA LOSE A $6 BILLION PROBABLY FOR THE SALE OF THAT PROPERTY OUT THERE. THAT'S $6 BILLION THAT THEY HAD IT HERE. NOW THEY DON'T, TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, THE BOARD'S GONNA HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE SAME THING. IT'S GOTTA BE FULL PACKED HOUSE PEOPLE THAT DON'T WANT THE DATA CENTER. AND THEY ALL STATE A LOT OF REASONS, BUT ARE THEY FACTS OR HEARSAY? YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO MAKE THE TOUGH DECISION ON THAT MYSELF. I WOULD SUPPORT IT IF BY CHANCE EVERYTHING WAS CORRECT ON THAT APPLICATION. NOW IF IT'S NOT CORRECT, THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE BOARD MEMBERS TO STOP. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS LOUIS MOTEN. [00:10:03] NEXT TIME. . GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. UM, I JUST WANTED TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PUBLIC ACCESS CONCERN FROM LAST NIGHT. IT, IT WAS WITH, UH, THE TOWN, BUT IT'S, IT WAS IN THIS, UH, SPACE HERE. I SENT YOU A LENGTHY EMAIL SO I KNOW YOU GET, YOU GET A LOT OF STUFF. UM, PROBLEM IS NOBODY IN THE HALLWAY CAN REALLY HEAR. I KNOW THE IT DIRECTOR TRIED TO GET A TEMPORARY SET UP WITH A AMP AND A AND SOME KIND OF, UM, UH, ANTENNA, BUT EVEN THAT WAS CHOPPY. AND THEN YOU HAD TO SIT, SIT IN THE BACK HALLWAY TO LISTEN TO IT. I RECOMMEND PUTTING SPEAK OVERHEAD SPEAKERS IN THAT HALLWAY AND IDEALLY SOME SPEAKERS IN THE BATHROOMS SO THAT PEOPLE CAN LISTEN IN ON THE HEARING EVEN IF THEY HAVE TO GO. UM, I DIDN'T EVEN REALIZE THERE WERE SPEAKERS OUTSIDE. SO HAD I KNOWN THAT I COULD HAVE GONE OUTSIDE, UM, MAYBE SOME TELEVISIONS AS WELL OUT THERE BECAUSE THE LIVE STREAM DOESN'T WORK FOR EVERYBODY. THERE'S LIKE A MINUTE DELAY. I MISSED OUT ON A PUBLIC HEARING BECAUSE I WAS STANDING RIGHT AT THAT DOOR. I CAN'T HEAR WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING EVEN THOUGH I'M STANDING IN THAT DOORWAY. THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE AROUND. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, LET, LET'S TRY AND LET THE PUBLIC INTERACT WITH THE BOARD AND SPEAK BECAUSE I WAS READY TO SPEAK AND I WAS JUST THE, THE GENERAL LOGISTICS DIDN'T WORK OUT SO THAT, THAT AFFECTED ME AND WHAT I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL OPPORTUNITY? ALRIGHT, WE'LL SAY PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS OVER AND [G.1. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney] MOVE ON TO REPORTS. MR. STAN MEYER. NO REPORT TODAY. MR. CARTER? UH, I HAVE NOTHING MR. HENRY. OH, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT THE PIKES KID FOUNDATION IS, UH, HAVING A FUNDRAISER THIS WEEKEND AND STILL GOT SOME TICKETS LEFT. OH, IT'LL BE THE DUELING DISCO DANCE COMPETITION AGAIN. OH, I WAS UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO WIN THE, UH, AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION ONE LAST YEAR. SO I'VE GOT ROPE IN TO BEING IN THE ACTUAL DIET CONTEST, WHICH, UM, I'M SURE WILL BE VERY AMUSING FOR THOSE THAT WOULD, UH, LIKE TO WATCH. UM, IT'S FOR A GOOD CAUSE. UH, DONATE IF YOU CAN. THERE'S TICKETS LEFT. COME HAVE A GOOD TIME. AND THEN, UH, WE CAN'T, I, I CAN'T, I JUST HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT I CAN'T, UH, LET AMBER VIAL WIN FROM THE TOWN COUNCIL. IT'S JUST NOT GONNA HAPPEN. SO, UH, I'M GONNA HAVE TO STEP MY GAME UP AND THE ONLY WAY I CAN DO, IT'S, IF YOU DONATE MY NAME WITH ME MORE POINTS ON THE START END, IT MAKES IT EASIER FOR ME TO BEAT YOU, WHICH I'M GONNA DO ANYWAY. . SO I'LL, BUT, UH, IT'LL BE EXCITING. I'LL TELL ME IF YOU CAN AND, UH, AND IF YOU CAN'T AND IF YOU CAN ABSOLUTELY DONATE IT. IT'S A GOOD CALL. THANK YOU . MR. JAMESON. NO REPORT TONIGHT. ALL RIGHT. UM, LET'S SEE. I'VE MET WITH RESIDENTS, UM, PERIODICALLY OVER THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS OVER DIFFERENT THINGS. ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, UH, ATTENDED LAKEFRONT ROYALS, POA PICNIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. IT'S ALWAYS NICE TO, TO BE THERE FOR THAT. UH, I DID MISS OUT ON THE SILVER TEE THAT THE LIBRARY PUT ON AND I'M SORRY I MISSED THAT. UM, TOOK A TOUR OF SOME OF OUR RENTAL HOUSES, UM, UP THE STREET HERE AND, UM, TALKED WITH STAFF AND I WANTED, I DON'T THINK MR. BERRY'S BACK THERE, BUT, UM, SOME OF THE TREES I SAW, THEY'RE ALREADY DOWN, SO I APPRECIATE THAT. THEY'VE JUMPED RIGHT ON SOME OF THE CONCERNS AND ARE, ARE WORKING ON GETTING THOSE FIXED. UM, HEAD TO CPMT MEETING, WHICH ARE ALWAYS INTERESTING. THEY DEAL WITH, UH, CHILD SERVICES FOR KIDS HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. I ATTENDED THE JUNETEENTH AT THE GAZEBO, WHICH WAS, UM, I THINK EACH YEAR IT GROWS. SO THAT WAS A VERY NICE EVENT. BEAUTIFUL WEATHER FOR THAT. I HOPE EVERYBODY HAD A NICE FATHER'S DAY, UM, AND ATTENDED THE TOWN COUNCIL MEETING LAST NIGHT. THEY HAVE NOT BROKEN OUR RECORD. I THINK THEY WENT A LITTLE AFTER MIDNIGHT AND I THINK WE'VE GOT 'EM BEAT. WE WENT TO 1:55 AM ONE MORNING. SO, UM, HOPEFULLY WE DON'T HAVE TO KEEP TRYING TO BEAT, UM, EACH OTHER'S RECORDS ON THAT. UM, WANTED TO TOUCH ON A COUPLE OF THINGS. TOURISM EXPENDITURES, UM, THOSE [00:15:01] ARE, THAT'S MONEY THAT HAS TO BE USED ON TOURISM THAT COMES IN FROM LODGING. UM, AND IT HAS, THAT IS DESIGNATED BY THE STATE THAT THOSE DOLLARS HAVE TO GO BACK INTO TOURISM. SO WE'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF TWO 50, UM, COMMEMORATIVE EVENTS. AND SO THOSE ARE WHAT THOSE EXPENDITURES WERE FOR WITH THAT. AS FAR AS IN MRS. MEADOWS, IF YOU WANNA JUMP IN, UM, THE EDA DIRECTOR, THERE WERE TWO POSITIONS. ONE WAS LIKE AN ADMINISTRATIVE ASSISTANT AND I DON'T REMEMBER THE DOLLAR AMOUNT QUOTED, BUT I'M ASSUMING THAT WAS THAT WHICH HAS NOT BEEN FILLED THAT I KNOW OF. UM, SO YOU KNOW THAT THAT WAS THE DIFFERENCE THAT YOU NOTICED IN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT. ONE WAS FOR AN ASSISTANT THAT HASN'T BEEN FILLED YET. AND AS FAR AS LARGE CROWDS, UM, WE'VE HAD SOME PRETTY LARGE CROWDS HERE. IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT I, I FEEL IS GOING TO BRING A LARGE CROWD, LIKE THE TAX INCREASE, I ASSUMED THIS ROOM WOULD BE TOTALLY PACKED OUT. SO I MOVED THE MEETING TO WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL TO ACCOMMODATE. WE HAD ABOUT 30 PEOPLE SHOW UP. SO EVEN THOUGH WE WERE PREPARED, AND I'D RATHER, IT'S LIKE THANKSGIVING AND CHRISTMAS DINNERS, YOU FIX MORE BECAUSE YOU NEVER KNOW WHO'S COMING AND YOU NEVER WANT TO NOT HAVE ENOUGH. UM, THAT'S WHY WE'RE MOVING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING TO WARREN COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO ASSUME THAT THERE'S GONNA BE A LARGE CROWD AND WE'D RATHER HAVE YOU COMFORTABLE. UM, SO THAT NIGHT IT WILL BE THERE. I'M GOING TO VENTURE WHEN THAT COMES AROUND FOR THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. WE'LL BE DOING IT AT ONE OF THE SCHOOLS TOO. UM, BECAUSE WE REALIZED THIS ROOM CAN'T ACCOMMODATE COMFORTABLY. IT GOT RATHER HOT BACK THERE IN THAT MEETING. AND I KNOW THE THERMOSTAT WAS ON 70. UM, SO WE, WE DO OUR BEST. UM, THE TOWN DECIDED TO KEEP THEIRS HERE. IN HINDSIGHT, THEY MAY RETHINK THAT ON THE NEXT, YOU KNOW, THING THAT COULD BE TURN OUT TO BE RATHER LARGE AND TO, UM, GIVE ANOTHER SHOUT OUT TO THE DUELING DISCO. IF YOU DON'T KNOW, THE HESS KIDS FOUNDATION IS, UM, A, IT'S A FOUNDATION THAT WAS CREATED A COUPLE YEARS AGO NOW TO SUPPORT MCKINNEY-VENTO CHILDREN, HOMELESS CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEMS. UM, AND IT HAS KIND OF GROWN INTO A LOT OF DIFFERENT, UH, OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE SURE KIDS HAVE NEW CLOTHES TO GO TO SCHOOL WHEN SCHOOL STARTS IN THE FALL AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE'S A LOT OF FUNDRAISING THAT GOES ON IN THIS ONE. UM, IS DISCO DANCING AND THERE'S LIKE EIGHT, NINE, MR. HENDERSON. OUR CLERK IS ONE OF THEM. UM, SO THESE TWO WILL BE COMPETING AGAINST EACH OTHER. YOUNG GUY TO MIDDLE AGED GUY. I AM BEING UNITED. SAID . UH, I'VE SEEN THIS ONE DANCE. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT ONE DANCE. I CAN TELL YOU, MR. HENDERSON, YOU REALLY GOTTA UP YOUR GAME 'CAUSE THIS GUY CAN DANCE. UM, SO HOPEFULLY THE SILVER BALL COMES BACK TO WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT CENTER. HE SAYS IT'S THERE. THIS ONE SAYS IT'S HERE. UM, BE KIND AND IF YOU CAN, THEY BOTH ARE ACCEPTING, UH, DONATIONS, UH, THAT HELPS THEM. I THINK IT TAKES A LITTLE BIT OF TIME OFF THE AMOUNT OF DANCING THEY HAVE TO DO, WHICH HELPS. UM, SO THAT IS MY REPORT. MS. MEADOWS, NO REPORT. MR. HAM, I HAVE NO REPORT. ALRIGHT. I HAVE NOT SEEN SHERIFF PINE COME IN. SO WE WILL GO AHEAD WITH THE REST OF THE, UH, AGENDA. [H.1. Appropriations and Transfers] AND THAT'S APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS, UM, OR DISCUSSION ON THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS? IF NOT, DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. MR. STAN MEYER. AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR, I'M VOTING NO BECAUSE MY COMPUTER WOULD NOT LET ME DO ANYTHING FOR THE LAST TWO DAYS AND SO I AM A NO. ONLY BECAUSE I HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO REVIEW THEM. MR. HENRY? YES, DR. DAMON. ALRIGHT, [H.2. Approval of Accounts] APPROVAL OF COUNTS. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THOSE? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? MADAM CHAIR. A TO APPROVE COUNCIL? [00:20:01] SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMERSON. ALRIGHT, MR. HENRY. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? NO. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STANIER? AYE. ALL [I.1. CUP2026-04-01 - Mobile Home Park - 123 Brinklow Road - A request for a conditional use permit for an expansion of an existing mobile-home park. The property is located at 123 Brinklow Road and is identified on tax map 19 as lots 23 and 24F. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magesterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director] RIGHT. WE ARE NOW AT PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WILL THEY A TO US FOR, FOR SEVEN OR SIX 30? MY UNDERSTANDING THEY'RE ADVERTISED FOR SIX. SO FOR WE CAN FOR SIX. WE'RE GOOD. MOVE RIGHT ALONG HERE. THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING IS CUP 2026 DASH OH FOUR DASH OH ONE MOBILE HOME PARK, 1 23 BRINK LOW ROAD, A REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR AN EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK. AND IS THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED 1 23 BRINK LOW ROAD AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 19 AS LOTS, 23 AND 24 F. AND THE PROPERTY IS OWNED AGRICULTURAL AND IS LOCATED IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MS. WALL. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. GOOD EVENING AND GOOD EVENING. UH, BOARD MEMBERS, THE APPLICANTS ARE REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK ON THE TWO PARCELS YOU PREVIOUSLY IDENTIFIED, TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 47.8 ACRES OF CONTIGUOUS LAND ACCESSED BY BRINK LOW ROAD OFF OF STRASSBURG ROAD. THE OWNERS WOULD LIKE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK IN AN EFFORT TO INCREASE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES FOR RESIDENTS OF WARREN COUNTY. THE APPLICANTS ARE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK BY 35% OF THE MAXIMUM ALLOWED DENSITY PERMITTED ON THE PROPERTY. THIS INCLUDES ADDING 47 NEW MOBILE HOME SITES, REESTABLISHING SIX HISTORIC MOBILE HOME SITES, IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING 51, BRINGING THE TOTAL NUMBER OF MOBILE HOME SITES ACROSS THE TWO PARCELS TO 104. WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C DEFINES A MOBILE HOME PARK AS PREMISES WHERE THREE OR MORE MOBILE HOMES ARE PARKED FOR LIVING OR SLEEPING PURPOSES, OR WHERE SPACES OR LOTS ARE SET ASIDE OR OFFERED FOR SALE OR RENT FOR MOBILE HOMES FOR LIVING OR SLEEPING PURPOSES, INCLUDING ANY LAND BUILDING STRUCTURE FACILITY USED BY OCCUPANTS OF MOBILE HOMES ON SUCH PREMISES. THE EXISTING, UH, 51 MOBILE HOME SITES ARE CONSIDERED LEGAL NON-CONFORMING. THE PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN WORKING TOWARD UPGRADING DATED MOBILE HOME UNITS, UPGRADING THE ELECTRICAL SERVICES AND PRIVATE WELL AND SEPTIC SYSTEMS. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THIS AREA TO BE USED FOR AGRICULTURAL LAND. USES A MOBILE HOME PARK IS A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, AND IT IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CURRENT WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE. THE HOUSING AND COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SECTION OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN STATES CONTINUE TO PERMIT MOBILE HOMES IN DESIGNATED AREAS AS A MEANS OF PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPTIONS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON MAY 13TH ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. BARNHART, SECONDED BY MR. GORDON. AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED TO FORWARD THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 20 26 0 4 0 1 FOR AN EXPANSION TO AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK WITH THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION THAT THE DWELLING UNITS ON THE PROPERTY WILL NOT BE USED AS SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOLLOWING THE PUBLIC HEARING PLANNING STAFF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS ADMINISTRATION AND WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS TRANSPORTATION MET THE APPLICANT ON SITE TO DISCUSS THE FEASIBILITY OF CONSTRUCTING A SCHOOL BUS SHELTER FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL. STUDENTS WITHIN THE MOBILE HOME PARK PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED TO THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CHOOSES TO PERMIT, UH, TO APPROVE THIS PERMIT. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH, WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE LOCAL, STATE AND FEDERAL REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL SUBMIT A SITE PLAN INCLUDING SUFFICIENT DETAIL FOR THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR TO DETERMINE THAT THE SUPPLEMENTARY REGULATIONS FOR MOBILE HOME PARK SET FORTH IN WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 50 WILL BE SATISFIED. THE SITE PLAN SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MOBILE HOME SITES SHALL NOT EXCEED 104. ALL OUTDOOR LIGHTING FIXTURES SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 49.2. PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT A DESIGNATED SCHOOL, UH, PUBLIC SCHOOL BUS STOP AND SHELTER WITHIN THE MOBILE HOME PARK. THE LOCATION DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENTS ASSOCIATED WITH THE BUS STOP AREAS SHALL BE REVIEWED AND APPROVED BY WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE REVIEWING AGENCIES. THE APPLICANT AND ALL SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST SHALL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ONGOING MAINTENANCE OF THE BUS SHELTER, INCLUDING REPAIRS, SNOW AND ICE REMOVAL, LITTER REMOVAL, AND THE PROMPT CORRECTION OF UNSAFE CONDITIONS. CONDITION NUMBER SIX, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING, THE APPLICANT SHALL CONSTRUCT A SCHOOL BUS TURNAROUND DESIGNED TO SAFELY ACCOMMODATE SCHOOL BUS INGRESS, MANEUVERING AND EGRESS WITHOUT REQUIRING [00:25:01] A REVERSING MANEUVER. THE TURNAROUND SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY CONSISTENT WITH THE CENTER UNPAVED OR CENTER UNPAVED OFFSET BULB CUL-DE-SAC TURNAROUND CONFIGURATIONS DESCRIBED IN APPENDIX B, ONE OF THE VDOT ROAD DESIGN MANUAL OR ANOTHER TURNAROUND DESIGN APPROVED BY WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOL TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR, AND ANY OTHER APPLICABLE REVIEWING AGENCIES. THE TURNAROUND SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE APPLICANT AND ALL SUCCESSORS IN INTEREST IN A CONDITION SAFE FOR SCHOOL BUS TRAVEL, INCLUDING THE PROMPT REMOVAL OF SNOW, ICE, DEBRIS, VEGETATION, AND ANY OTHER OBSTRUCTIONS, AS WELL AS THE REPAIR OF ANY SURFACE DEFICIENCIES THAT COULD IMPEDE THE SAFE OPERATION OF SCHOOL BUSES. NUMBER SEVEN, THE SITE PLAN SHALL INCLUDE A PAVEMENT DESIGN FOR THE SCHOOL BUS TURNAROUND. THE PAVEMENT DESIGN SHALL BE PREPARED BY A QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL AND SHALL BE SUITABLE FOR THE ANTICIPATED VEHICLE LOADS ASSOCIATED WITH REPEATED SCHOOL BUS USE. NUMBER EIGHT, NO MOBILE HOME MANUFACTURED HOME OR OTHER RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE LOCATED WITHIN THE MOBILE HOME PARK SHALL BE USED OR OCCUPIED AS A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL AS DEFINED BY WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH EIGHT C. AND FINALLY, NUMBER NINE, PLANNING STAFF SHALL INSPECT THE MOBILE HOME PARK TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE WITH WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 50, AND ALL CONDITIONS PLACED ON THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CERTIFICATE OF ZONING. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT AND THEIR LEGAL REPRESENTATION ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE ANY PO COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD? MY NAME'S TY LAWSON. OH, THANK YOU. PLEASED TO REPRESENT BRENT CLO MOBILE HOME PARK AND THEY DO WANT TO RUN THROUGH SOME SLIDES. VERY PROUD OF THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN MADE TO THE PARK TO THIS POINT, AND WITH THE APPROVAL OF THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, WHAT, WHAT THEY PLAN GOING FORWARD. AND IT'S KIND OF UNIQUE FOR ME, SO I'M GONNA CALL IT OUT. WE WORKED WITH STAFF, I THINK VERY WELL, UM, COLLABORATIVELY WITH THE SCHOOL BUS SHELTER AND ALSO THE TURNAROUNDS. WE'RE ACTUALLY PULLING THE BUSES OFF 55, WHICH IS WHAT THEY WERE DOING, GIVING THEM A SAFE PLACE TO TURN AROUND AND, AND CREATE NOT JUST A BUS SHELTER, BUT A FOCAL POINT WITHIN THE, UH, THE PARK ITSELF. SO, UH, OUR PRE APPRECIATE AND COMMEND STAFF FOR COMING UP WITH THAT IDEA, WORKING WITH THE SCHOOLS. UH, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S BEEN VERY NICE WORKING WITH YOU ALL. BUT IF I COULD, I'M GONNA TURN OVER TO MR. DAVIS AND MR. RELOW AND THEY'RE GONNA KIND OF BOSTER SHOW SOME OF THE THINGS THEY'VE DONE AS WELL, JUST TO GET THE PARK TO THIS STATUS AND, AND WHERE TO GO FROM HERE. I'M THINKING YOU PUSH THAT BUTTON OR SEE WHAT HAPPENS. UH, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UH, MY NAME'S LANDON DAVIS. UH, I'M FROM FREDERICKSBURG, VIRGINIA. UM, I'M A REAL ESTATE INVESTOR AND I BECAME INVOLVED WITH, UH, BRINKER MOBILE HOME PARK BACK IN 2019. AND, UH, SINCE THAT TIME, YOU KNOW, I'M REALLY PROUD OF WHAT WE'VE DONE THERE. WHEN WE TOOK IT OVER, IT WAS, IT WAS NOT A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. IT WASN'T A VERY GOOD, IT WASN'T A VERY GOOD SHAPE, AND WE'VE PUT A LOT OF TIME, ENERGY, EFFORT, AND A LOT OF MONEY INTO TURNING THAT AROUND. AND NOW IT'S SOMEWHERE THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M PROUD TO OWN. I THINK OUR OUR RESIDENTS ARE PROUD TO LIVE THERE AND COMFORTABLE TO LIVE THERE. UH, RODNEY, WHO'S OUR, ONE OF MY PARTNERS AND, UH, KIND OF OUR ON THE GROUND MANAGER THERE, WILL, WILL WALK YOU THROUGH SOME OF THE SPECIFICS OF WHAT WE'VE DONE. BUT WE'VE PUT A LOT OF EFFORT INTO UPGRADING ALL THE ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY'S APPLIANCES DON'T SHUT OFF WHEN YOU TURN ON THE MICROWAVE. THE REFRIGERATOR DOESN'T SHUT OFF, STUFF LIKE THAT. WE'VE UPGRADED THE WATER SYSTEM, YOU KNOW, UH, AT GREAT EXPENSE. UH, WE'VE KICKED A LOT OF THE BAD ACTORS OUT OF THE PARK, UM, THAT WERE CAUSING A LOT OF TROUBLE. AND I THINK IN OUR PACKET YOU'LL SEE WE FOY THE, UH, POLICE INCIDENT REPORTS, UH, AT THE PARK AND YOU CAN SEE A PRETTY STEEP DECLINE, UM, IN THE NUMBER OF INCIDENTS, UH, TO THE PARKS SINCE WE TOOK OVER. UM, SO WE'VE JUST PUT A LOT OF EFFORT IN THIS. IT'S SOMETHING I'M VERY PROUD OF. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK THIS EXPANSION THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, AGAIN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT TRYING TO, UH, BE TOO OVER THE TOP WITH IT. WE'RE STILL AT 35% OF THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED DENSITY THERE. WE'RE TRYING TO BE REASONABLE. WE'RE TRYING TO BE THOUGHTFUL, UH, LIKE WE HAVE BEEN THROUGHOUT OUR ENTIRE OWNERSHIP OF, OF THE PARK. AND WE'RE TRYING TO PROVIDE THE, THE CITIZENS OF WARREN COUNTY WITH A AFFORDABLE PLACE TO LIVE, A NICE PLACE TO LIVE, AND A COMFORTABLE PLACE TO LIVE. AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I JUST APPRECIATE WORKING WITH STAFF HERE AND WORKING, WORKING WITH ALL OF YOU AND BEING A SMALL PART OF THIS COMMUNITY. SO I'LL TURN IT OVER TO RODNEY, WHO KNOWS FAR MORE ABOUT THE INS AND OUTS AND THE DETAILS THAN I DO. HE'S THE ONE DOING ALL THE WORK, BUT I THINK HE'S GOT SOME SLIDES JUST TO, TO, YOU KNOW, HIGHLIGHT A FEW OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ESPECIALLY PROUD OF. SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND FOR HEARING US OUT. OKAY, THANK YOU. GOOD EVENING, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. MY NAME IS RODNEY BRALOVE. I AM MANAGER AND PART OWNER OF [00:30:01] THE BRINKLEY MOBILE HOME PARK, LOCATED OUT IN STRASSBURG ROAD. UH, I WOULD LIKE TO SHOW SOME OF THE UPGRADES THAT WE HAVE ACTUALLY DONE TO THE UNITS AND ALSO THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO THE PARK ITSELF, INCLUDING ELECTRICAL. UH, AS MY PARTNER HERE HAD MENTIONED, UH, MOST OF THE UNITS WERE A HUNDRED AMP SERVICES, SO AS WE HAVE WENT THROUGH THESE UNITS, WE ARE UPGRADING EVERYTHING TO 200 AMP SERVICE, WORKING WITH RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC ON LOCATIONS OF WHERE THESE UNITS NEED TO GO SO THAT IT'S ALSO EASY FOR THEM TO GET TO THEIR SYSTEMS IF AN EMERGENCY WOULD HAPPEN TO COME ALONG. UH, WE HAVE MADE GREAT STEPS AND ABLE TO, UH, UPGRADE THESE. AS YOU CAN TELL, THE OLD 1970 STYLES LITERALLY WAS A PLUG AND PLAY FOR YOUR MOBILE HOMES BACK IN THE DAY. SO WE HAVE ELIMINATED THE OLD SCHOOL, NOT ONLY OF THE ELECTRICAL, BUT ALSO THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE UNITS. MOST OF THE UNITS THAT WERE PLACED THERE IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES SET ON NOTHING MORE THAN STRAIGHT CINDER BLOCKS WITH NO STRAP DOWNS. SO, UH, MOTHER NATURE HAS BEEN KIND TO THE PARK UP TO THAT POINT. WE HAVEN'T HAD ANY INCIDENTS WITH THAT, BUT MOVING FORWARD, WE HAVE WENT FULL BLOWN DURING THE EXACT, UH, REQUIREMENTS THAT IS REQUIRED BY THE STATE FOR OUR TIE DOWNS AS WELL AS OUR, UH, ELECTRICAL UPGRADES. UH, YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME OF THE NEW UNITS. WE ARE UP TO 23 RIGHT NOW OF THE 41 THAT WE HAVE IN PLACE. AND WE ARE MOVING FORWARD NOW WITH, WE JUST PUT IN DEMO PERMITS FOR 12 OF OUR UNITS TO BE REMOVED, WHICH WE HAVE COMPLETED JUST IN THE PAST 30 DAYS. AND WE'RE MOVING FORWARD TO CLEAN UP THE LOTS AND PREP THEM FOR OUR FOOTERS, ELECTRICAL AND THE NECESSITIES THAT NEEDS TO COME ALONG BEFORE THE TRAILERS EVEN ARRIVED TO THE PARK. UH, LET'S SEE. YEAH, APPARENTLY WE DON'T HAVE ALL OF OUR OTHER ONES THERE, BUT AS YOU CAN SEE, EVEN, UH, WITH OUR BUILDING OF OUR, UH, CONSTRUCTIONS OF OUR DECKS, WE HAVE WENT ABOVE AND BEYOND WITH THAT. UH, WE DIDN'T JUST SETTLE FOR WHAT THE COUNTY SAYS WE COULD USE. WE DO FULL ON SIX BY SIX CONSTRUCTION OF OUR BEAMS. UH, AND, UH, THEY ALWAYS COMMENT THAT IF THE TRAILER'S ANCHORED AS WELL AS OUR DECKINGS, THEY'RE NOT GONNA GO ANYWHERE. BUT, UH, WE'VE TAKEN GREAT PRIDE IN EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN DOING THERE FOR THE PAST SIX YEARS. NOT ONLY JUST BUILDING THE PLACE UP, BUT MAKING IT A SAFE ENVIRONMENT TO WHERE PEOPLE FEEL GOOD TO LIVE. UH, AND THEY FEEL FREE TO TALK TO NEIGHBORS, UH, UNLIKE WHAT IT USED TO BE SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS AGO WHEN PEOPLE DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THEIR NEIGHBOR NEIGHBORS THERE. UM, THAT'S PRETTY WELL MUCH ALL I HAVE TO SAY ON THIS, BUT I DO ASK THAT YOU TAKE IN CONSIDERATION THAT WE ARE ASKING FOR THIS EXPANSION WITH US TO DO NOTHING BUT MAKE MORE IMPROVEMENTS IN A SAFE, CLEAN ENVIRONMENT FOR PEOPLE TO LIVE. THANK Y'ALL VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? UH, FROM THE BOARD AT THIS POINT FOR MR. BRINKER OR MS. WALL? I HAD ONE OR TWO, WHOEVER WANTS TO COME UP THERE, ALL THREE OF YOU CAN COME UP. . UH, I ACTUALLY RODE UP THERE, I THINK SUNDAY AND IT'D BEEN A LONG TIME. AND THEN I GUESS WHEN YOU GO DOWN BRINKER ROAD, THERE'S A SIGN THAT SAYS, NOW DOES THAT ENCOMPASS? I DIDN'T GO DOWN THAT WAY, BUT THEN I WENT OFF TO THE RIGHT AND I SAW THE OFFICE BUILDING. SO EVERYTHING THERE IS CONSIDERED BRICK LOAD. YES, SIR. THREE ROAD. OKAY. ALRIGHT. AND NO, IT LOOKED, IT LOOKED VERY, VERY NICE AND I'M SURE IT WAS IN HERE. UH, BUT I GUESS A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPLANATION AS FAR AS THE, UH, UH, THE, THE, THE WATER AND SEPTIC, IS THERE A CENTRAL WATER SYSTEM, A CENTRAL SEPTIC SYSTEM, OR HOW EXACTLY DOES THAT OPERATE? UH, THAT IS ALL WELL SYSTEMS COME UP. UH, THAT, THAT IS ACTUALLY WELL SYSTEMS THAT WE HAVE. UH, WE ARE UNDER STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD WITH THOSE AS WELL. SO WE DO MONTHLY TESTINGS, UH, WITH THAT. AND WE HAVE THOSE REPORTS THAT GOES OUT TO ALL OF OUR TENANTS THAT IS REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD TO DO. BUT IT'S NOT A SEPARATE WELL, FOR EACH TRAILER? NO, SIR. WHAT IT IS. SO IT'S LIKE A CENTRAL SYSTEM. UH, WE ACTUALLY HAVE FOUR WELLS ON THE AREA. AND WHAT THE STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD REQUIRES IS IF THERE IS 15 HOMES OR 25 PEOPLE, WHICHEVER EXCEEDS FIRST, THAT IT IS UNDER THEIR STATE WATER CONTROL BOARD WHERE WE HAVE TO HAVE THE TESTING DONE. WE DO HAVE TWO OF OUR WELLS THAT ONLY FEED EIGHT TRAILERS ON ONE AND NINE ON THE OTHER. SO THOSE TWO ARE NOT SUBMITTED TO THE TESTING THROUGH THE, UH, STATE. BUT WE STILL DO THAT TO PROVIDE THAT TO OUR TENANTS TO SHOW THAT WE DON'T LET ANYTHING GO UNDER THE RUG. EVEN THE ONES THAT WE DO NOT HAVE TO HAVE TESTED REQUIRED THROUGH THE STATE, WE STILL DO THROUGH OUR, [00:35:01] UH, WATER CONTROL GUIDE THAT DOES THAT. OKAY. AND THEN GETTING THE OTHER SIDE OF IT, THE SEPTIC, IS THAT A CENTRAL SEPTIC SYSTEM? I THINK I SAW SOMETHING. YOU GOT LIKE A LITTLE MINI TREATMENT PLANT. UH, NO SIR OR SOMETHING? NO. WHAT WHAT IT IS, WE HAVE 23 SEPTIC TANKS OKAY. THROUGHOUT THE PARK FOR THAT. OKAY. AND IT'S USUALLY AN AVERAGE OF THREE UNITS TO ONE TANK. OKAY. THAT'S HOW THAT'S WORKED. JUST CURIOUS ABOUT THAT. AND THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD, WELL FIRST OFF, I DO APPRECIATE THE EFFORTS TO, UM, PROVIDE SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING. UM, BUT THERE SEEMED TO BE A LITTLE BIT OF A CONFLICT THERE BECAUSE IN THE ONE THING IT SAYS THERE WILL BE NO IMPACTS TO THE, THE COUNTY'S EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES AND SERVICES. THE PURPOSE OF THE EXPANSION IS TO ADD THE COUNTY'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING. GENERALLY EACH UNIT HAS ONLY THREE BEDROOMS AND LEASES. LEASES RESTRICT OCCUPANCY TO FOUR PERSONS PER UNIT. THIS WILL MITIGATE ANY INCREASE IN SCHOOL CHILDREN ATTENDING THE COUNTY'S EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES. AND RIGHT NOW WE'RE KIND OF BUSTING AT THE SEAM, ESPECIALLY WITH AS ROADS. AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT, WOULD NOT NECESSARILY IMPACT THAT AREA, BUT I KNOW OUT ON HAPPY CREEK, THEY'RE LOOKING AT 85 HOMES ON CHRYSLER ROAD. THEY'RE LOOKING AT 90 APARTMENTS AND THEN ALSO LOOKING AT 36 TOWNHOUSES. AND THEN THERE WAS, LET'S SEE, FROM THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT, THEY'RE SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, BOTH EE WILSON AND, AND, UM, UH, AS ROADS ARE ALMOST MAXED OUT AND I KNOW WE'RE LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD TO BUILDING NEW HIGH SCHOOL. SO I JUST DON'T KNOW HOW IT ACTUALLY JIVE WHEN YOU SAY THERE'S NO ACTUAL IMPACT. I MEAN, IF YOU JUST HAVE HALF OF THOSE, UH, UH, NEW UNITS, THAT'D BE LIKE, WHAT, 23 IF EACH ONE OF THEM HAD ONE CHILD THAT'S GONNA THROW IT OUT. AND I KNOW, YOU KNOW, EVEN IF YOU, I I GET SOMEBODY IN THERE SINGLE, THEY MAY GET MARRIED. RIGHT. AND THEN THEY HAD THEIR OWN FAMILY. CORRECT. SO I'M JUST LOOKING NO, BUT I LIKE WHAT YOU'VE DONE AND THE WHOLE THING, BUT THOSE ARE JUST QUESTIONS THAT KIND OF CAME TO MY MIND. I COULD YES. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION MR. CARTER. AND ACTUALLY, WHEN WE FIRST STARTED THIS PROCESS, WE GOT COMMENTS FROM YOUR REVIEWING AGENCIES, INCLUDING THE SCHOOLS. MM-HMM . UNFORTUNATELY THERE'S NO, UH, UH, ADOPTED MODEL FOR THE SCHOOL. I CALL IT THE SCHOOL KID GENERATION RATE FROM, FROM MOBILE HOMES. WE CAN SHOW WHAT OUR EXPERIENCES ARE AND AS WE'VE UPGRADED THESE, WE'RE ACTUALLY FIRING MORE, UH, RETIREMENT AGE FOLKS. IT'S QUITE A NICE PLACE TO LIVE. IT'S BEAUTIFUL. BUT WHAT WE DID DO, AND I SHOULD HAVE TALKED A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THIS, WITH THE COLLABORATION WITH STAFF, WE RECOGNIZED THAT IT WAS HARD TO COME UP WITH A, A PROFFER, I RECOGNIZE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BUT A PROFFER ESQUE TYPE, UH, IMPACT TREATMENT FOR, FOR THE SCHOOLS. AND WHAT WE CAME UP WITH WAS THIS SCHOOL BUS SHELTER FOR THE COMMUNITY AND WHAT ELSE COULD WE DO FOR THE SCHOOLS? AND WE, WE WORKED WITH THEM AND YOUR STAFF WORKED WITH THEM TO SAY, IN, IN LIEU OF MAKING, UH, A PAYMENT OF A FEW THOUSAND DOLLARS OR WHAT HAVE YOU DO THIS INSTEAD. AND WOULD YOU ALL CONSIDER DOING THAT? AND WE FRANKLY THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY INNOVATIVE AND CREATIVE IDEA. AND THAT'S HOW WE CAME UP WITH IT TO TRY TO HELP AND, AND ADDRESS THE SCHOOL IMPACT. UM, THAT QUITE FRANKLY WAS JUST SO HARD TO QUANTIFY. IT IS, AND PART OF THE PROBLEM IS I DON'T, WE WE, WE'VE HAD A FISCAL IMPACT MODEL, BUT IT'S NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2018. AND THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM. AND I KNOW MS. WALL IS, UH, TALKING TO THE REPORTER ANYWAY, I KNOW MS. WALL IS, UH, WORKING ON MAYBE UPDATING THAT SOON AND WE NEED THAT JUST NOT FOR WHAT YOU'RE DOING, BUT COUNTYWIDE AS WELL. YES, SIR. AND FOR REZONINGS THAT THAT MAY BE COMING DOWN THE PIKE AND SO ON. I I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA TO LOOK AT DIFFERENT HOUSING TYPES AND, AND TO COME UP WITH THOSE MODELS. BUT THOSE ARE, THOSE TAKE A FAIR AMOUNT OF WORK AND THEY DO AND, UH, REFINEMENT. BUT I, I THOUGHT THIS, THIS, I'VE NEVER SEEN THIS BEFORE. I THOUGHT IT WAS A VERY INNOVATIVE IDEA AND TRY TO HELP WITH THE SCHOOLS AND, AND OF COURSE OWNERSHIP EMBRACED IT AND THEY'VE AGREED THAT IT'S A CONTINGENCY BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING ELSE TO PUT IN THESE IMPROVEMENTS. WELL, THAT'S GOOD. I JUST REMEMBER WAY BACK THAT, YOU KNOW, THE FISCAL IMPACT MODEL SAID THERE'S A, UH, A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING OUT IN THE COUNTY. IT WAS ROUGHLY 20 GRAND. AND THE BIG BIGGEST CHUNK OF THAT WAS THE SCHOOLS. AND AGAIN, THINGS HAVE CHANGED SINCE THEN, BUT WE REALLY NEED TO GET THAT BACK IN THERE. SO, UH, YOU AND OTHER, UH, DEVELOPERS WILL HAVE SOMETHING TO LOOK AT CONCRETE AND KIND OF WEIGH THE OPTIONS. I THINK IT HELPS A LOT TO KNOW THAT UP FRONT. AND, AND ONE THING WE ARE, AND WE'RE SEEING THIS IN OTHER JURISDICTIONS, THE, THE, THE MOBILE HOME UNIT, ESPECIALLY SOMETHING IN THIS SETTING IS BECOMING VERY, VERY ATTRACTIVE. IT'S NOT AGE RESTRICTED, [00:40:01] BUT BUT FOR THAT DEMOGRAPHIC, WHICH ACTUALLY HELPS YOU WITH THE SCHOOL KIDS 'CAUSE IT JUST DOESN'T GENERATE 'EM RIGHT. AND OF COURSE THEY, THEY PAY TAXES AND, AND PARTICIPATE IN THE COUNTY. SO IT'S A WIN-WIN. CAN I JUST SAY ONE MORE THING JUST TO, UH, REITERATE, IT REALLY LOOKS NICE OUT THERE. THANK YOU, SIR. REALLY NICE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS? IF NOT MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? UH, YES MA'AM. LOUIS MOEN. GOOD EVENING, SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTEN. UM, I'M ACTUALLY HERE APPRECIATING WHAT'S, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. UM, LIKE MANY PEOPLE, I THINK, UH, I USED TO WAIT IN THE, IN THE DARK BY THE ROAD IN THE SNOW UPHILL BOTH WAYS. UM, BUT ANYWAY, UM, THE MAIN THING I'M THINKING ABOUT IS, UM, IS THE SHELTER. I LIKE THE SHELTER, BUT IS IS, ARE THE KIDS VISIBLE WHILE THEY'RE WAITING? IS THIS GONNA BE PROTECTING AGAINST WIND AND ELEMENTS? IF THEY'RE WAITING IN THE MORNING WHEN IT'S DARK OUT, IS THERE LIGHTING FOR THEM OR TO AT LEAST LET THE BUS KNOW THEY ARE WAITING? UM, SO THOSE ARE JUST SOME, SOME OF THE CONCERNS. THE TURNABOUT I THOUGHT WAS, WAS GREAT FOR THE BUS, BUT THEN I WAS LIKE THINKING, WELL, SOME OF THESE MOBILE HOMES, I KNOW SOME PROPERTIES THEY'LL COME IN AND SAY, OKAY, ALL YOU OWNERS HAVE TO GET OUTTA HERE AND VACATE. AND IF THERE'S NO SPACE FOR THEM TO BRING THEIR TRAILERS WITH THEM EASILY, EASILY, THEN THEY END UP LEAVING THEIR TRAILERS BEHIND ABANDONED FOR THE COMPANY TO ACQUIRE THEM. SO IT'S JUST ONE, ONE OF THE THINGS I JUST, UM, THOUGHT ON. UM, I, I LOVE THE FACT THAT THEY'RE TESTING WELLS WHEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO ANY, ANYTHING FOR PUBLIC SAFETY. AMAZING. SO KUDOS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? YES, SIR. JOHN JENKINS, SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT. I SPENT TWO AND A HALF HOURS IN THERE LAST NIGHT AND COULDN'T SPEAK, SO NOW I'M TAKING ADVANTAGE OF IT. UH, LOOK, THIS IS LOCATED IN THE FORT DISTRICT, I BELIEVE. UH, THERE ARE A COUPLE TRAILER PARKS IN SOUTH RIVER DISTRICT AREA I LIVE IN. AND UH, THEY DO, THEY DO NEED SOME WORK IN THOSE AREAS. UH, I'M FAMILIAR WITH THIS, UH, MOBILE PARK, UH, FROM 60 YEARS AGO. UH, AND THEY HAVE MADE A LOT OF IMPROVEMENTS. I THINK IT DOES OFFER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AS I UNDERSTAND IT, MOST OF THOSE UNITS WILL BE RENTED OUT AND SO THEY'LL BE, THEY COULD BE RENTED OUT FOR ELDERLY THAT WANNA SELL THEIR HOME THAT THEY NO LONGER CAN MAINTAIN THE PROPERTY, THE YARDS AND SO FORTH. THEY COULD SELL THEIR HOME AND MOVE INTO THE MOBILE PARK OUT THERE, PAY SOME RENT, HAVE CASH IN THEIR POCKET, AND STILL LIVE IN THE COUNTY WHERE THEY'VE LIVED ALL THEIR LIFE. UH, THOSE PROPERTIES ARE ALSO OFFER, UH, INDIVIDUALS THAT DON'T WANNA MOVE INTO AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WHERE YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE LEVEL FLOORS OR WHATEVER. UH, HERE THEY'RE MORE, IT'S MORE LIKE A SINGLE FAMILY HOME. THEY DO HAVE A SMALL AREA. UH, SO I WOULD SU I WOULD SUPPORT IT. UH, OTHER THAN THAT, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL TIME? OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. UM, I DO HAVE A QUESTION OFF OF I THINK WHAT MR. MOTON, PEOPLE AREN'T BRINGING THEIR OWN TRAILERS IN. THE TRAILERS ARE GONNA BE YOURS TO RENT OUT. YES MA'AM. OKAY. AND, AND THAT HELPS TOO FOR THE, UH, THE AESTHETICS OF THE PARK. UM, YOU DON'T WANNA HAVE A NICE NEW TRAILER AND SOMEONE THAT'S WANTING TO BRING A 1987 TRAILER IN, THAT'S LIMPING COMING IN. OKAY. UH, IT, IT HELPS ALSO WITH US TO KEEP THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PLACE OF THE PARK CLEANER WHEN WE ARE THE ONES THAT OWN THE TRAILERS TO WHERE WE DON'T HAVE TO GET AFTER THE PEOPLE WITH THEIR OWN TRAILERS TO DO THEIR MAINTENANCE CLEANING. AND ALONG WITH THAT, UH, WE ALSO DO OUR, UH, OWN LAWN SERVICES. ALL THE LAWNS ARE MOWED AT THE SAME TIME. SO THEN YOU DON'T HAVE JIM THROWING GRASS UP AGAINST TINY'S HOUSE AND VICE VERSA. 'CAUSE WE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF THAT AT THE BEGINNING. UH, SO WHEN, ONCE WE TOOK ON TAKING CARE OF ALL THE MAINTENANCE OF THE PARK AS FAR AS THE MOWING, UH, SNOW REMOVAL, THAT SEEMED TO HELP KEEP THINGS MUCH CLEANER AND MORE ORGANIZED. OKAY. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE [00:45:01] A DA ACCESSIBILITY, I SEE THE STEPS THERE, UM, BUT I COULDN'T TELL IF THERE'S ANOTHER WAY FOR SOMEONE WHO, UM, UH, THROUGH THE COUNTY'S PERMITS WE DO HAVE TO HAVE A HANDICAP RAIL THAT IS PUT ON BOTH THE FRONT AND THE BACK DOOR FOR THAT. THAT IS NORMALLY RUNNING UP THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE UNITS. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH OH FOUR DASH OH ONE FOR A MOBILE HOME PARK EXPANSION WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. MEYER? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAMIS AYE, APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU'RE DOING OUT THERE. THAT'S, IT'S A WONDERFUL THING. SO THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK YOU. YEAH, THANK YOU'ALL VERY MUCH. ALRIGHT, [I.2. Z2026-04-01 - Zoning Text Amendment for Rest Home in the Rural Residential (RR) Zoning District - A request to amend Chapter 180 of the Warren County Code to amend §180-24D to add rest home as a use permitted by conditional use permit in the Rural Residential zoning district. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director] NEXT IS, UM, Z 2026 DASH OH FOUR DASH OH ONE ZONING TAX AMENDMENT FOR REST HOME IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. UH, REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND 180 DASH 24 D TO ADD REST HOME AS A USE PERMITTED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. MRS. WAL. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. ATTACHED YOU'LL FIND A REQUEST TO AMEND CHAPTER 180 OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO AMEND SUBSECTION 180 DASH 24 D TO ADD REST HOME AS A USE ALLOWED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THE RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT. THIS IS AN EXISTING USE BY WAY OF CUP IN THE AGRICULTURAL RESIDENTIAL ONE, RESIDENTIAL TWO AND VILLAGE RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON MAY 13TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. GORDON, SECONDED BY MR. SIUS. AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED TO FORWARD THE ZONING TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. THE APPLICANT HAS REQUESTED THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE POSTPONED UNTIL THE JULY 21ST, 2026 BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING IN ORDER TO REVISE THEIR APPLICATION FOLLOWING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION OF DENIAL. IT IS THE OPINION OF STAFF AND THE COUNTY ATTORNEY THAT BECAUSE THE PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, UM, THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS SHOULD OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING TO RECEIVE COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC IF ANYBODY CHOOSES TO AND GO FROM THERE. THERE HAVE BEEN, UM, MOTIONS PROVIDED TO YOU ALL FOR SUCH EVENTS. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND THE APPLICANT IS NOT WITH US THIS EVENING. I HAVE A QUESTION AND I SEE THERE THE OPINION. I KNOW THEY REQUESTED IT TO BE POSTPONED AS YOU SAID, UM, WHAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING, I DO NOT WANT TO DENY ANYBODY FROM SPEAKING ADDRESSING THIS ISSUE HOWEVER WE DENY AGAIN OR WHATEVER. DO THEY HAVE TO START THE WHOLE PROCESS OVER AGAIN? THEY WOULD AFTER ONE YEAR. AFTER WHAT? ONE YEAR. OKAY. BUT IF WE, CAN WE SEND IT BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION? THE, THE THIRD MOTION MIGHT EXPLAIN IT BETTER. OKAY. THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS CONTINUE THE ADVERTISED PUBLIC HEARING FOR PROCEED. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. I JUST DIDN'T READ DOWN FAR ENOUGH, BUT YEAH, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO. WE JUST CONTINUE IT AND THEN THEY GIVE US THE, WILL THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE THE ADEQUATE TIME TO, UM, REVIEW THE NEW APPLICATION OF THE CHANGES BY THE 21ST. IT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION WOULDN'T RE-REVIEW IT, IT WOULD JUST BE A CONTINUATION OF THE PUBLIC HEARING WITH YOU ALL. OKAY. AND HE'S NOT, UM, JUST, HE IS NOT GOING TO REVISE THE TEXT AMENDMENT APPLICATION. IT'S HIS CONCEPT BEHIND WHY HE WANTS THIS TEXT AMENDMENT. OKAY. THERE WOULD IF, IF APPROVED WHEN HE COMES TO YOU ALL FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. THAT IS THE, THE CONCEPT THAT HE WISHES TO CHANGE. BUT HE, AFTER DISCUSSION WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WANTED TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH. SO THEY WANTED A LITTLE BIT OF TIME TO RECONVENE WITH THE PROPERTY OWNER AND THAT IS WHY THEY'RE REQUESTING THE EXTENSION TO JULY 21ST. OKAY. I'M A DRAFTING QUESTIONS IS, UM, THIS, THIS, THIS AND THE PRIOR ONE SAID, AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE AND THEN THERE'S NO LISTING OF VOTES. I USED, I USED TO SEE, WE USED TO SEE, UM, HOW THEY WENT. IT, UH, IT WAS UNANIMOUS. I'M TERRIBLY SORRY. OH, OKAY. THAT IS A MISTAKE ON MY PART. IT WAS FOUR TO ZERO. OKAY. UH, MS. MILLER WAS NOT PRESENT AT THE MEETING, BUT ALL FOUR PLANNING COMMISSIONERS IN ATTENDANCE RECOMMENDED DENIAL. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UH, CAN I OPEN AND CLOSE IT? UH, YEAH. UM, MY QUESTION IS, I THINK, HOW MANY PEOPLE DO WE HAVE HERE THAT CAME SPECIFICALLY FOR THIS? [00:50:02] OKAY, SO WE FIVE SIGN. SO AT LEAST FIVE I'D LET 'EM, SO I'M, I'M IN THE THOUGHT THAT WE GO AHEAD SINCE WE'VE ADVERTISED AND WE'VE GOT PEOPLE HERE THAT WE HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING. SO, UM, I WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. WALL BESIDES WHAT WE'VE DONE SO FAR? IF NOT, MR. HENDERSON, WHO'S UP TO SPEAK. UH, FIRST UP IS STEVE ARNOLD. GOOD AFTERNOON. UH, MY NAME IS STEVE ARNOLD. UM, I'M THE SHADO DISTRICT AND, UH, IN MY OPINION, REST HOMES, NURSING HOMES IN WARREN COUNTY SHOULD ONLY BE APPROVED FOR LAND THAT HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ATTRACTIVE LAND THAT IS ZONED RURAL RESIDENTIAL AND APPROVED FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, SHOULD NOT HAVE A NURSING HOME. ADDITIONALLY BUILT TAPPING INTO THE EXISTING GROUNDWATER. WARREN COUNTY HAS BEEN IN A MODERATE TO SEVERE DROUGHT FOR THE LAST FEW YEARS. A TYPICAL THREE BEDROOM HOME WOULD HAVE TWO TO SIX PEOPLE LIVING THERE USED THE WATER AND SEPTIC. UH, IF A NURSING HOME WAS APPROVED TO BE BUILT IN THE SAME TRACT OF LAND AS IS WHAT THIS APPLICANT WANTS TO DO, UM, HOW MANY ADDITIONAL PEOPLE WOULD BE USING, UTILIZING THE GROUNDWATER ON A DAILY BASIS ALONG WITH THE HIRED HELP THAT ARE TO TAKE CARE OF THESE FOLKS. IN ADDITION, A NURSING HOME WOULD REQUIRE A BIGGER SEPTIC TO NOT AFFECT THE EXISTING GROUNDWATER. IF A PREVIOUS APPROVED TRACT LAND WAS APPROVED FOR A PARTICULAR NUMBER OF HOUSES, AS IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE IT'S LIKE 11 HOUSES. UM, IF YOU ADD A REST HOME FOR, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S 50 OR 60 OR MORE PEOPLE THAT CALLS INTO QUESTION THE AMOUNT OF HOW MUCH GROUND WATER CAN THAT LAND SUPPORT. UM, SO BASICALLY MY THOUGHT IS, UM, THE APPLICANT WHERE HE WANTS TO BUILD THIS, UM, NURSING HOME IS RURAL RESIDENTIAL. IT'S NOT A PLACE FOR A NURSING HOME. YOU KNOW, HOUSES ARE ONE THING, BUT A NURSING HOME WITH, UH, THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW, A THREE STORY BUILDING IS JUST NOT GONNA LOOK GOOD. AND I'M NOT SURE HOW TO AFFECT THE, UM, THE HOUSING VALUES THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS SUSAN BOWEN. UM, GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SUSAN BOWEN. MY ADDRESS IS 27 32 ROCKLAND ROAD. MY FARM IS ABOUT TWO MILES SOUTH OF CLOVER HILL FARM, WHOSE OWNER IS REQUESTING THIS ZONING AMENDMENT FOR ARREST HOME. I'M OPPOSED TO MAKING AN AMENDMENT TO ADD A REST HOME IN WARREN COUNTY TO RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS. THE COUNTY'S STATEMENT OF INTENT FOR SUCH A ZONE IS TO PROVIDE AREAS FOR LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT OF NO LESS THAN TWO ACRES WITHOUT DEGRADING THE ENVIRONMENT. SUCH AREA SHOULD BE DEVELOPED IN A MATTER MANNER THAT WILL PROTECT AND PRESERVE NATURAL RESOURCES. A REST HOME IS COMMERCIAL AND NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE INTENT OF THIS RURAL RESIDENTIAL ZONING. NO DOUBT MORE REST HOMES ARE NEEDED, BUT THEIR LOCATION SHOULD BE ACCESSIBLE TO PUBLIC TOWN WATER AND SEWER WITH SAFE AND ADEQUATE ROADS. WARREN COUNTY'S COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CONSIDERS THIS GOOD PLANNING. ROCKLAND SIMPLY DOES NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SUPPORT A COMMERCIAL REST HOME. WE HAVE NO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER FACILITIES. MOST OF OUR STATE ROADS ARE SUBSTANTIAL TO NOW TO PUT A CENTER LINE DOWN THE MIDDLE WITH VERY POOR SHOULDERS. TRAFFIC IS ALREADY A PROBLEM IN ROCKLAND AND ADDING A 50 TO A HUNDRED BED NURSING HOME WOULD SURELY INCREASE THE TRAFFIC AND MAKE OUR ROADS LESS SAFE. I AM AN ACTIVE CATTLE FARMER. UH, MY GREATEST FEAR IS HAVING MY WELL GO DRY AND NOT HAVING WATER FOR MY COWS OR MY HOME. EVEN WITH RECENT RAINS, OUR AREA IS STILL IN A SERIOUS DROUGHT. MOST OF OUR LIVESTOCK AND ROCKLAND ARE ON WELL WATER. THERE ARE LOTS OF CATTLE AND RETIRED RACE HORSES VERY NEAR THIS GLOVER HILL SITE. ANOTHER CONCERN IS WATER POLLUTION. [00:55:01] DUE TO OUR CO LIMESTONE, UH, TOPOGRAPHY AND MANY SINKHOLE IN THIS AREA, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO ME TO ALLOW A LARGE 50 TO A HUNDRED BED COMMERCIAL FACILITY AND A FRAGILE RULE AGRICULTURAL AREA WHERE PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER ARE NOT AVAILABLE. THIS COULD BE PUTTING THE WELLS OF MANY LOVELY RESIDENTIAL HOMES AND FARMS AT RISK. WE ARE TRYING OUR BEST IN ROCKLAND TO PROTECT OUR FARMLAND AND NATURAL RESOURCES. WE DO NOT WANT COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT, NEARLY 10,000 ACRES OF FARMLAND IN ROCKLAND OR IN AN AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL DISTRICT. OUR VIRGINIA LAW STATES THAT COUNTY LAND USE DECISIONS MUST TAKE AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS INTO CONSIDERATION AND I HOPE YOU WILL TOO TONIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS MARY RYAN. GOOD EVENING MARY RYAN. I LIVE, UH, IN SHENANDOAH DISTRICT, UM, ACROSS THE ROAD FROM CLOVER HILL. EVERYTHING I SAID SUSAN AND STEVE ALREADY SAID. I AGREE WITH IT ALL. I THINK THE EXISTING ZONING OF RURAL RESIDENTIAL IS A GOOD ONE. I DON'T THINK ADDING A REST HOME TO IT WILL IMPROVE IT. I WILL THINK, I THINK IT WILL DEGRADE IT AND WATER IT DOWN. SO I'M NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING MORE, BUT I HOPE YOU DO NOT APPROVE THIS CONDITIONAL USE. THANKS. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS TODD LEWIS. YES, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN ON THE BOARD, TODD LEWIS. MY ADDRESS IS 3 5 8 ASHBY LANE. A LOT OF THE THINGS, UH, THAT WERE ALREADY MENTIONED, I HAVE IN MY NOTES, MAINLY THE INFRASTRUCTURE, UH, THE WATER, OBVIOUSLY. UM, SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS, UH, THAT WEREN'T DISCUSSED WERE LIKE POWER. SO IT'S LIFE SAFETY SITUATION. WILL THEY HAVE BACKUP GENERATORS? WILL THEY BE TESTING 'EM, YOU KNOW, THINGS LIKE THIS. THE NARROW ROADS, UH, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, WELL THAT PUT EXTRA STRAIN ON THEM. UM, IT, UH, LET'S SEE, YOU KNOW, THE, THE WATER AGAIN, THE, WELL THEY NEED A MASSIVE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THEIR OWN WATER TREATMENT PLANT OF SOME SORT. I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT WOULD ALL WORK OUT. VERY CONCERNED ALSO ABOUT NOT ONLY THE NOISE POLLUTION THAT IT WOULD DO, BUT ALSO THE LIGHT POLLUTION AT NIGHT. RIGHT? YOU HAVE SECURITY LIGHTING, UM, YOU HAVE A LOT OF HOUSES AROUND THAT AREA. CATTLE HORSES BUREAU DOESN'T FIT INTO THE INTENT OF THE AREA FOR THE HOMES. I BELIEVE IT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED FOR 11 OR 12 HOUSES. UM, I THINK THE SMALLEST LOT'S, THREE ACRES, WHICH IS PERFECT 'CAUSE THAT'S WHAT EVERYBODY'S AROUND THERE. THEY CAN BUILD A SMALL FARM LIKE I DID MYSELF AND MY HOUSE IS DIRECTLY BEHIND IT ON THE BACKSIDE AND IT WOULD JUST, IT WOULD TAKE THE AMBIANCE OF ROCKLAND AWAY. SO I APPRECIATE YOU VOTING AGAINST IT, IF THAT'S WHAT YOU DECIDE. AND, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. NEXT UP IS LOUIS MOTON. GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. I, I THINK YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH HOW MUCH I OFTEN COME UP HERE IN SUPPORT OF THE SENIORS AROUND THIS AREA. AND I AGAIN, EXTEND TO YOU AN INVITATION TO VISIT THE SENIORS AT THE SENIOR CENTER. UM, SO THE, THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING HERE IS THIS LOW RESIDENTIAL, UM, DEVELOPMENT. A FEW PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID THIS AND I'M, I'M THINKING THIS COULD IN, UH, BRING IN SOME INSTITUTIONAL COMMERCIAL, UM, INTENSITY TO THAT SMALL AREA. UM, IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE AN R TWO OR LIKE THE HIGHER RESIDENTIAL ZONES. IT IS MAINLY FOR A SINGLE DETACHED FAMILY HOME FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. AND ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF PEOPLE IN ONE PLACE, A LOT OF TOILETS BEING FLUSHED, A LOT OF MEALS BEING SERVED. SO I THINK IT'S LIKE A HIGH DEMAND ON THE RESOURCES FOR THAT AREA AND IT JUST DOESN'T FIT IN THAT AREA OF WHAT'S SUPPOSED TO BE THERE. UM, SO I WOULD, I WOULD ASK THAT YOU DENY THIS OR, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T EVEN KNOW WHY THEY AREN'T ASKING TO CHANGE THE ZONE BEFORE THEY DO THIS. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM. THAT WAS ALL. YES. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, SIR. GOOD EVENING. UH, MY [01:00:01] NAME IS WAYNE CHATFIELD TAYLOR. AND, UM, MY WIFE AND I, UH, ARE FARMERS IN THE BAY AREA THAT THIS IS, UH, INVOLVING. WE'RE A COUPLE OF MILES FROM IT, BUT THE, UM, THE AREA HAS BEEN ACTUALLY GOING BACK TO ANDY GASTON BEFORE THAT THEY CREATED A ROCKLAND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT, UM, THAT IS, THAT ENCOMPASSES THIS, THIS AREA HERE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE ROCKLAND AGRICULTURAL DISTRICTS, THE FIRST ONE IN VIRGINIA IS SUPPOSED TO DO, IS TO BE SENSITIVE TO, UH, THE, THE, THE PEOPLE THAT COME IN MUST BE SENSITIVE TO THAT TO TRY TO NOT WEAKEN THE, UM, THE AG AGRICULTURAL ACTIVITIES, BUT TO IN FACT COMPLIMENT THEM, NOT NOT CONFLICT WITH THEM, I THINK. SO IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THIS, THIS AREA'S VERY FRAGILE. AND WE'RE ALL FARMERS. I'M A FARMER THERE FOR 47 YEARS ACTUALLY. AND, UM, 24 HOURS A DAY. AND, UM, WE, WE, WE HELP EACH OTHER. UM, WE, WE, WE LIVE A CERTAIN LIFE. WE PROBABLY, MOST OF US GO TO BED AT AN EARLY HOUR AND, AND WE GET UP AT, AT, AT EVERY DAY OF, OF THE WEEK. AS I SAY, THE, AS THE SAYING GOES, IF THE FARMER WOULD WASTE HIS DAY, HE'S, HE'S, HE GETS UP EARLY TO DO IT. SO I DON'T THINK THAT THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE ALL DO IS WE, WE WORK HARD ON OUR FARM AND, AND WE CONTRIBUTE TO, WITH, WITHOUT REALLY ECONOMIC BENEFIT TO A HUGE ASSET FOR THIS COUNTY. I THINK TO, TO SEE THAT SURVIVE, TO SEE THAT, THAT, THAT, THAT DO WELL. BECAUSE WE NEED THE FARMLAND. WE NEED THE FARMLAND. THIS IS SOME OF THE MOST PRIME FARMLAND IN, UH, AMERICA ACTUALLY IS RIGHT HERE. AND THIS IS WHAT WASHINGTON, GEORGE WASHINGTON SAID WHEN HE SURVEYED IT, THAT THIS IS A, SOMETHING A A TREASURE THAT WE, THAT WE NEED TO PRESERVE. SO IT'S, IT'S ALWAYS A SHAME WHEN A FARM BECOMES VULNERABLE AND AS THE TALIA FARRAH FARM DID, AND, AND, UH, IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN AN AIRBNB, BUT HE ALSO HAD HAD FARMING THINGS THAT ARE GOING ON THERE. BUT TO STOP THAT AND GO TO SOMETHING THAT IS A COMPLETELY NONCONFORMING USE, THAT IT WOULD BE A 24 HOUR OPERATION THAT WOULD NEED A, THAT WOULD NEED ITS OWN ITS OWN LIGHTS. ITS OWN TRAFFIC, ITS OWN ITS OWN ATTENTION. ITS OWN NOISE, ITS OWN, UM, ITS OWN LIFE, WHICH WOULD BE ALL, ALL IN DIRECT CONFLICT WITH THE FARMING THAT GOES ON AROUND THERE, WHICH MEANS THAT IT, IT ACTUALLY COULD WEAKEN THE FARMING THAT IS HAPPENING THERE. AND IT'S QUITE FRAGILE TO DO THIS. AND IT'S NOT EASY AND THERE'S NOT, NOT A LOT OF WORK IN IT. I MEAN THAT, UM, IS NOTICED ABOUT THIS, BUT WE ALSO HAVE AN ENVIRONMENTAL SENSITIVITY TO WHAT WE DO. AND THIS WOULD BE INDIRECTLY IN, IN, UM, IN CONFLICT WITH THAT, I WOULD SAY. UM, THE NOISE, THE, THE, THE TRAFFIC, THE LIGHTS, AMBULANCES, THIS IS AND THAT, UM, YES SIR. I HATE TO CUT YOU OFF, BUT IF YOU COULD FINISH UP, I HAVE TO YOU, THAT WAS YOUR TIMER . SO YOU'RE WELCOME TO FINISH YOUR THOUGHT. WE, I THINK THAT, I THINK WE SHOULD BE, PLEASE BE SENSITIVE TO, TO THE, THE NEEDS OF THE FARMING COMMUNITY. AND I THINK THIS IS IN VIOLATION OF THAT AND I THINK THAT IT'S A NON-CONFORMING USE THAT IS DESTINED TO BE, I THINK PROBABLY A TROJAN HORSE. I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A LARGER THING THAT WOULD COME IN THIS AND FROM HERE AND, UH, WE'D ALL BE AT A LOSS FOR WHAT WE WOULD LOSE. THANK YOU, SIR. ANYONE ELSE WANNA SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL? ANYONE WANNA SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC? UH, DO YOU WANT ME TO CLOSE THIS OR WE SHOULD CLOSE? I THINK I, I HAD A QUESTION BEFORE, UH, AND THIS MAY BE FROM MS. WALL, UM, AND LOOKING AT THIS, AND MAYBE I LOOKED AT IT CORRECTLY OR WHATEVER, BUT THIS IS JUST FOR A TEXT AMENDMENT, CORRECT. BUT YET THE, HAS THE APPLICANT ACTUALLY PUT IN AN APPLICATION NOT FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT? NO, HE'S WAITING FOR, BUT HE PUT IN THE TEXT AMENDMENT APPROVAL FOR THE TEXT AMENDMENT TO ALLOW THE PROCESS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. OKAY. THEN HE WOULD, IF YOU APPROVE THE TEXT AMENDMENT AND ALLOWED IT BY CUP, HE WOULD COME IN AND PROVIDE AN APPLICATION FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A REST HOME. OKAY. SAVE 1500 BUCKS. I HAVE A, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WHAT YOU SAID CONCERNING WHAT HIS INTENTIONS ARE AS TO, AS YOU, I THINK YOU SAID HE'S NOT PLANNING TO REVISE THE TEXT. HE'S NOT PLANNING ON REVISING THE TEXT AMENDMENT. HE STILL WANTS THE USE ADDED BY CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT UNDER RURAL RESIDENTIAL. HE INITIALLY [01:05:01] PROPOSED A REST HOME BETWEEN 52 100 BEDS ON ONE OR TWO OF THE PARCELS THAT HE INTENDS ON SUBDIVIDING. HE HAS NOT FINISHED THAT SUBDIVISION. I BELIEVE THE PLANS ARE TO SUBDIVIDE INTO 12 PARCELS. THE LOWEST OR THE SMALLEST PARCEL BEING AROUND THREE ACRES, UH, FOR SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS ON ONE OR TWO OF THEM, HE WOULD LIKE TO DO A REST HOME. HE'S NOW THINKING THAT HE WOULD REVISE IT TO MAYBE TWO REST HOMES WITH EIGHT BEDS PER REST HOME. BUT THAT WOULD ALL BE DURING THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PROCESS. WHAT HE'S REQUESTING FROM YOU ALL NOW IS TO ADD IT AS A LISTED USE BY WAY OF CUP. YEAH, I MEAN, MY OPINION IS IF HE'S NOT GONNA CHANGE THE TEXT, THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN SEEING THIS AGAIN LATER FROM, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I DON'T WANT TO PASS THE TEXT AMENDMENT. SO IF HE'S NOT CHANGING HOW HE'S GOING TO LAY THAT OUT, I DON'T SEE THE NEED TO SEE IT AGAIN. THAT'S WHERE I'M, I AGREE. IF IT'S NOT GOING TO CHANGE, I THINK WE CAN CLOSE THE HEARING. MM-HMM . SO, YEAH. HAVE YOU CLOSED THE HEARING? NO, BUT I WILL. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED AND I'VE GOT A, I GUESS I GOT THE MOTIONS FINDING THAT PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE AMENDMENTS ARE NOT APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY, CONVENIENCE AND GENERAL WE WELFARE. AND THEN IT SAYS, AND ARE GOOD ZONING PRACTICES, SHOULD IT SAY ARE NOT, ARE NOT CORRECT, ARE NOT GOOD ZONING PRACTICES. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON. AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. ALL RIGHT. [I.3. R2026-04-01 - Rezoning from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C) - A rezoning application to amend the Warren County Zoning Map to rezone 3.82-acres across 28 parcels from Residential-One (R-1) to Commercial (C). The properties are located at 0 Diamond Ridge and 0 Emerald Lane and identified on tax map 12B section 2 block 7 as lots 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, tax map 2B section 2 block 3 as lots 11, 12, 14, 16, and tax map 12B section 2 block 4 as lots 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16. The properties are located in the North River Magisterial District and is proposed for by-right commercial land use. The future land use zoning map in the Comprehensive Plan is shown as Commercial zoning for this property. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director] R 2026 DASH FOUR DASH ONE REZONING FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL, A REZONING APPLICATION TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP, UH, TO REZONE 3.82 ACRES ACROSS 28 PARCELS FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TO COMMERCIAL C, THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED AT ZERO DIAMOND RIDGE AND ZERO EMERALD LANE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 12 B SECTION TWO, BLOCK SEVEN AS LOT 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, ALL THE WAY UP TO 22. AND THEN TAX MAP TWO B SECTIONS TWO BLOCK THREE AS LOTS 11 12 14, 16. AND TAX MAP 12 B SECTION TWO BLOCK FOUR AS LOTS 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, AND 16. THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED IN THE NORTH RIVER, UM, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND IS PROPOSED FOR BUYRIGHT COMMERCIAL LAND USE. THE FUTURE LAND USE ZONING MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IS SHOWN AS COMMERCIAL ZONING FOR THIS PROPERTY. MRS. WALL. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UM, ATTACHED HIS REQUEST TO AMEND THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING MAP AND REZONE 3.82 ACRES FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE TWO COMMERCIAL. I WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE LIST OF PARCELS AGAIN. UM, AS YOU STATED, THE PROPERTIES ARE LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE HIGHWAY CORRIDOR OVERLAY DISTRICT IN THE NORTH RIVER MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT AND IS PROPOSED FOR BUYRIGHT COMMERCIAL USES. THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN IDENTIFIES THE SUBJECT PROPERTIES TO BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES WITH COMMERCIAL ZONING. THE REQUEST IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE FUTURE LAND USE MAP OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. SINCE THE PROPERTIES ARE DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL, THE COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IS INTENDED FOR AREAS SUITABLE FOR THE CONDUCT OF GENERAL BUSINESS, NOT CHARACTERIZED BY EITHER CONSTANT HEAVY TRUCKING OR NUISANCE FACTORS TO WHICH THE PUBLIC REQUIRES DIRECT AND FREQUENT ACCESS. THE APPLICANTS HAVE SUBMITTED A VOLUNTARY PROFFER STATEMENT DATED JANUARY 22ND, 2026, WHICH INCLUDES A ONE-TIME MONETARY CONTRIBUTION OF 15 CENTS PER GROSS SQUARE FOOT, A FLOOR AREA FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SAFETY, ADEQUATE ACCESS TO SURROUNDING PROPERTIES SPECIFIC TRANSPORTATION PROFFERS, INCLUDING COORDINATING WITH ADJOINING PARCEL DEVELOPERS TO PRIVATELY BUILD, UM, I'M SORRY, TO BUILD DIAMOND RIDGE DRIVE AND EMERALD LANE AND DEDICATING THEM FOR PUBLIC ACCESS. RESERVING A 50 FOOT WIDE STRIP ALONG THE PROPERTY'S REAR BOUNDARY FOR THE FUTURE DEDICATION OF RIGHT OF WAY FOR A FUTURE LOCAL NORTH SOUTH COLLECTOR ROAD, AGREEING THAT IF THE END USE IS OPERATED AS A CONVENIENCE STORE, THE USE WILL BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT A TRAFFIC IMPACT ANALYSIS TO WARREN COUNTY WITH APPROVAL BY VDOT TO IMPLEMENT NECESSARY IMPROVEMENTS BEFORE THE CONVENIENCE STORES MAY BE INSTALLED ON THE PROPERTY. THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN SUBMITTED FOR REVIEW AND COMMENT TO THE FOLLOWING AGENCIES, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS, VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL PUBLIC WORKS, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, AND RAPPAHANNOCK ELECTRIC COOPERATIVE. ALL COMMENTS RECEIVED REGARDING THIS REQUEST HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE MEETING PACKET. THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON MAY 13TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. KERS, SECONDED BY MR. BARNHART. AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED TO FORWARD THE REZONING TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED. [01:10:01] ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT'S LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. MR. LAWSON, ARE YOU HERE FOR THIS AS WELL? I AM. DID YOU WANNA MAKE ANY COMMENTS AT THIS POINT? JUST, JUST VERY BRIEFLY. UH, TY LAWSON HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT'S MS. WALL DID A GREAT JOB. AGAIN, SUMMARIZING WE'RE, WE'RE, UH, IN, IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN. WE'VE ADDRESSED ALL THE, THE COMMENTS FROM YOUR REVIEWING AGENCIES AND WE'RE, WE'RE IMMEDIATELY NORTH OF, OF THE MARLOWE SITE AND WE HAVE BEEN IN COORDINATION WITH THEM. UM, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. BUT, BUT THE IDEA IS TO, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THEIR AND AND COMPATIBLE WITH THEIR DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO INCLUDE EVEN DEVELOPING THE, THE PRIVATE ROAD NETWORK AS YOU COME OFF OF 5 22. BUT BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. YES, SIR. AND YOU, YOU WOULD BE, YOU'D BE RESPONSIBLE OR YOUR CLIENT OR WHATEVER, BE RESPONSIBLE FOR TURN LANES, STORMWATER, ALL THAT STUFF? YES. OKAY. ACTUALLY, THE, THE INTERSECTION WAS ALREADY APPROVED BY VDOT AS PART OF THE, THE MARLOW WORK. MM-HMM . UM, BUT YES, ALL ALL ROAD IMPROVEMENTS WE, WE WOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR. AND ONE OF THE NICE THINGS ABOUT A A PRIVATE, PRIVATE ROAD NECK NETWORK, THAT WOULD BE OUR RESPONSIBILITY. WE WOULD DEDICATE THOSE ROADS FOR PUBLIC USE PURPOSES. RIGHT. SO THE PUBLIC CAN COME AND GO, BUT A HUNDRED PERCENT ALL THE, THE EXPENSE OF, UH, MAINTENANCE AND INSTALLATION AND PERMITTING, ALL THAT IS ON THE PRIVATE, PRIVATE. I JUST HAD ONE OTHER QUESTION AND I MIGHT BE GETTING CONFUSED OR WHATEVER. HOW MANY TRAILERS WERE YOU PUTTING IN THIS TRAILER PARK? ? NO, THAT WAS OKAY. MY BAD. YOU KNOW, THE, THE LOTS ARE, YOU DIDN'T ASK, BUT I'M, I'M GUESSING IN THE FUTURE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE, UM, THE GIS, THERE'LL BE SOME, UH, LOT CONSOLIDATIONS. IT DOES LOOK LIKE A SERIES OF, OF TRAILERS ON THERE. GREAT. THANK YOU SIR. YES SIR. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. UM, MR. HENDERSON, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? YES, MA'AM. LOUIS MOTON. GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. UM, YEAH. UM, I LIKE SEEING NEW DEVELOPMENT COMING IN, UH, OUR AREA. UM, ANYTHING TO, TO INCREASE ECONOMIC ACTIVITY, BRING IN MORE REVENUE IS, IS WELCOMED. UM, MY, MY CONCERN IS, UM, I I SAW THE PROFIT MENTION 15, 15 CENTS PER UH, SQUARE FOOT. I WAS, I WAS CURIOUS IF THAT IS GOING TO HELP WITH THE FUTURE OF THIS LOT DOWN THE ROAD OR IS THIS JUST A, A SMALL ONETIME THING? UM, BASICALLY THIS IS BY RIGHT COMMERCIAL USES FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND. UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE A LOT OF OTHER THINGS, BUT I THINK THAT WAS THE MAIN THING THAT'S REALLY JUMPING OUT AT ME IS LIKE I SEE THIS AND I DON'T KNOW HOW THOSE NUMBERS ARE COMING, WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY'RE JUSTIFIED, BUT IT'S THERE. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL? OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED AND ANY DISCUSSION OR QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR FINDING THAT THE REQUESTED REZONING IS APPROPRIATE FOR THE PUBLIC NECESSITY AND IS IN GOOD ZONING PRACTICE. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ACCEPTS THE PROFFERS DATED JANUARY 22ND, 2026, AND APPROVES THE REQUEST TO REZONE AND CHANGE THE ZONING MAP. CLASSIFICATION OF TAX MAP 12 B SECTION TWO, BLOCK SEVEN AS LOTS 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, AND 21 TAX MAP. 12 B SECTION TWO BLOCK THREE IS LOTS, 11, 12, 14, 16 AND TAX MAP 12 B SECTION TWO BLOCK FOUR IS LOT TO 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16 FROM RESIDENTIAL ONE R ONE TO COMMERCIAL C AND SUPERVISOR MEYER, THAT WOULD INCLUDE, UM, TAX MAP 12 B SECTION TWO, UM, BLOCK SEVEN, LOT 22. WE WERE FOLLOWING ALONG. I THINK YOU MISSED [01:15:01] THAT 1 22 ON THE FIRST ONE. IT WOULD INCLUDE ALL LOTS AS PRESENTED. OKAY. YES. RIGHT. YES. AS PRESENTED. IS THERE A SECOND? SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. STAN MEYER. AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAMESON? AYE. I'VE, I'VE OFTEN WONDERED MR. STAN MEYER WHO COMES UP WITH ALL THAT LOTS AND B YOU KNOW, BLOCKS AND ALL THAT. SO MISSING ONE IS NOT A BIG DEAL. THAT IS FOR SURE WE CAUGHT YOU UP THERE. ALRIGHT, [I.4. CUP2026-04-02 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 691 Harris Drive - - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director] UM, CUP 2026 DASH OH FOUR DASH OH TWO. SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 6 9 1 HARRIS DRIVE BUSINESS WALL. WELL, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL FOR A HOME THEY PURCHASED IN 2020 WITH THE GOAL OF CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY BY ENCOURAGING TOURISTS TO USE FRONT ROYAL AS A BASE FOR EXPLORING THE NATIONAL PARK AND SURROUNDING ATTRACTIONS TO ENSURE A HIGH QUALITY GUEST EXPERIENCE AND MINIMAL IMPACT ON THEIR NEIGHBORS. THEY HAVE PARTNERED WITH MATT WILLIAMS, A PROFESSIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL PROPERTY MANAGER BASED IN FRONT ROYAL. THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1977 AND IS CONFORMING TO THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 50 FEET FROM THE EDGE OF THE REGULATORY FLOODWAY AND IS LEGAL NON-CONFORMING TO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENT OF 15 FEET FROM THE SIDE PROPERTY BOUNDARIES. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS LOCATED ENTIRELY WITHIN THE REG, UM, REGULATORY FLOODWAY. AND SO IF THE DWELLING WERE SUBSTANTIALLY DAMAGED BY A FLOOD OR FIRE, IT COULD NOT BE RECONSTRUCTED. PER THE FLOODPLAIN ORDINANCE REGULATIONS, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF. THE PROPERTY MANAGER AND A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL BOTH SERVE THE PROPERTY MANAGER LIVES 23 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY. THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA. THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS, THE CLOSEST BEING 114 FEET TO THE EAST. THE P COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON MAY 13TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. SES, SECONDED BY MR. BARNHART AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE, A FOUR TO ZERO. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED FORWARD THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL PLANNING, COMMISSION AND STAFF ARE RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS. NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS. NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT FOR WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B. THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS. NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT. AND LASTLY, NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING STAFF. THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED MR. WILLIAMS IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS. WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, SIR? UH, NOTHING ADD THIS OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR MS. WALL? IF NOT MR. HENDERSON, IS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? YES MA'AM. LOUIS MOTON. GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. I'M, I'M STILL LOUIS MOTON, STILL LIVING NORTH RIVER, HAVEN'T MOVED YET. UM, SO MAINLY I WAS, I SAW THIS WAS IN A FLOOD ZONE AND IF THERE'S A PROBLEM THEY CAN'T REBUILD THE, UH, THE MAIN ISSUE I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT WAS THE SAFETY OF THE GUESTS WITH THE, THE FL I DON'T, I SAW THEY DID POST THAT THEY LET THEIR GUESTS KNOW ABOUT EMERGENCY SERVICES WHEN THEY COME IN. UM, I DIDN'T REALLY SEE ANYTHING ABOUT THEM SAYING THAT THEY NOTIFY THE GUESTS OF A FLOOD RISK. FLOOD RISK AND WHERE TO GO OR, UM, IN, IN, IN THE MATTER OF AN EVACUATION WHERE, WHERE THEY CAN, WHERE THEY CAN GO FOR SAFETY, WHERE THIS IS. UM, THAT, THAT, THAT'S REALLY LIKE THE, THE CONCERN I HAVE IS LIKE, IF THERE'S A PROBLEM, DO THE GUESTS KNOW WHERE TO GO OR THEY, I I, I DID SEE THE NUMBERS, BUT YOU KNOW, AT LEAST GIVE 'EM A MAP OR SOMETHING THAT SAYS, HEY, HERE, GO, GO HERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? UH, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL. ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING ENCLOSED SGIO ADDRESS HIS ISSUE? DO YOU HAVE EMERGENCY VAC EVACUATION [01:20:01] PLAN? YOU CAN COME UP. I LIVE ALONG THE RIVER, SO I I KNOW THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT . YES. UM, I'M ACTUALLY VERY FAMILIAR, UH, IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY WHERE I LIVE, UH, WE HAD, UH, WE, I WON'T GIVE TOO MUCH BACKGROUND, BUT IT DOES FLOOD AND WE CANNOT LEAVE OUR HOUSE AT TIMES, UH, FOR THAT. UH, SO EXPERIENCE WITH THE FLOODPLAIN AND THE POTENTIAL DANGERS THAT COME WITH THAT. SO VERY MUCH, WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT OUR PLANS REFLECT THE EMERGENCY EVACUATION ROUTE. UH, AND BECAUSE I'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN BEFORE, WE HAVE ADVISED GUESTS, YOU KNOW, AT PROPERTIES WHERE THERE IS THAT POTENTIAL, WHETHER IT'S IN INSIDE OR OUTSIDE OF A FLOODPLAIN, YOU KNOW, OF UPCOMING POTENTIALLY, UH, TERRIBLE WEATHER. AND, UH, THAT'S PART OF OUR KIND OF STANDARD, UH, PROCEDURES. OKAY. 'CAUSE I KNOW RIVERS COME UP SLOWER THAN CREEKS, BUT IF SOMEONE'S NEVER BEEN THERE, THEY DON'T KNOW THAT, OKAY, IT'S ALREADY AT THIS LEVEL, WITHIN TWO HOURS IT'S GONNA BE HERE. SO I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THEM TO HAVE THAT AS A, A REFERENCE POINT, UM, SINCE THEY WON'T KNOW. YES. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? YEAH, I HAVE JUST ONE. UM, SO I NOTICED THAT TO, TO THE EAST OF THE LOT, UM, OR JUST SLIGHTLY DOWN RIVER, THERE'S A VERY LARGE FOREST, WHICH, UH, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S, UH, NO HUNTING THAT WOULD, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE GO OVER THE PROPERTY LINE AND, AND USE THAT AS A BASE FOR HUNTING. AND I SAW THE A TV RESTRICTION, BUT DO WE HAVE A RESTRICTION ON HUNTING? THERE'S A RESTRICTION ON FIREARMS, BUT HE COULD INCLUDE IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN THAT HUNTING IS RESTRICTED. SO YEAH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO INCLUDE. AND THEN, UM, I, I DO AGREE WITH THE COMMENTER WHO SAID IT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE THAT FLOOD EVACUATION AWARENESS, UH, AND INSTRUCTIONS. SO IF YOU COULD ADD THAT. YES, ABSOLUTELY. AND IF WE DON'T HAVE HUNTING LISTED IN THERE SPECIFICALLY, WE WILL ADD THAT, UM, WE DO GET THE QUESTION AND HAVE PROPERTIES, YOU KNOW, IN AREAS BOTH WOULD BE RESTRICTED BECAUSE IT'S A SHORT TERM RENTAL, BUT ALSO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, SKYLINE ESTATES OR BLUE MOUNTAIN WHERE THAT'S PROHIBITED. SO, NO, WE'RE CLEAR WITH THAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION? THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2 0 2 6 DASH OH FOUR DASH OH TWO FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON AYE. MR. HENRY AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. [I.5. Ordinance Authorizing the Payment of Employee Bonus] OKAY. NEXT ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING THE PAYMENT OF AN EMPLOYEE BONUS, MS. STARR. GOOD EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD MEMBERS. UM, SO TONIGHT'S ITEM IS AN ORDINANCE AUTHORIZING A ONE-TIME 2% BONUS FOR ELIGIBLE COUNTY EMPLOYEES. THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY APPROVED A 2% BONUS FOR COMPENSATION BOARD FUNDED EMPLOYEES AS PART AS PART OF HOUSE BILL 29. AND THE COMPENSATION BOARD WILL REIMBURSE THE COUNTY APPROXIMATELY $128,665 FOR THOSE POSITIONS. UH, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING EXTENDING THE SAME 2% BONUS TO ALL ELIGIBLE COUNTY EMPLOYEES TO ENSURE CONSISTENCY ACROSS THE ORGANIZATION. APPROXIMATELY 133 EMPLOYEES WILL RECEIVE THE BONUS THROUGH THE COMP BOARD FUNDING AND REIMBURSEMENT, WHILE 202 LOCALLY FUNDED EMPLOYEES WILL ALSO RECEIVE THE BONUS. THE LOCAL COST IS ESTIMATED AT $311,551 AND WILL BE FUNDED THROUGH THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 COMPENSATION RESERVE AND THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 MERIT RESERVE. UM, THIS ACTION ENSURES THAT LOCALLY FUNDED EMPLOYEES ARE TREATED THE SAME AS COMP BOARD FUNDED EMPLOYEES RECEIVING THE STATE FUNDED BONUS. THE AVAILABLE FUNDING IS DUE TO VACANCY SAVINGS WITHIN THE COMPENSATION RESERVE AS WELL AS SAVINGS GENERATED THROUGH THE MERIT THAT WAS ADMINISTERED IN OCTOBER, 2025 RATHER THAN JULY OF 2025. AND WITH THAT, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. R AT THIS POINT? OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. MR. ANDERSON TODAY WAS SIGNED UP FOR THIS? YES, MA'AM. LOUIS MOTEN. GOOD EVENING SUPERVISORS. MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTEN, NORTH RIVER. UM, I, I DON'T REALLY HAVE AN ISSUE. SORRY, ZACH. I, I'M, I'M NOT TRYING TO PICK ON YOU. UM, MAINLY I'M JUST TRYING 'CAUSE HE MENTIONED SOMETHING WHEN I SIGNED UP . UM, SO MAINLY I WANNA SEE LIKE WHAT HAVE THE BONUSES BEEN LIKE IN THE PAST? IS, IS THIS LIKE FROM THE COUNTY'S PERSPECTIVE OF WHAT THEY'RE PAYING? IS, IS THIS A BIG JUMP? IS IT A SMALL JUMP? IS IT NORMAL? UM, I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHAT KIND OF [01:25:01] REFERENCE OR GUIDELINE TO LOOK AT TO COMPARE. IS, IS THIS NORMAL 2%? ACTUALLY SOUNDS A LITTLE LOW AS A, AS A BONUS TO ME. IT, WELL, USUALLY IT'S LOW FOR A SALARY INCREASE FOR INFLATION, BUT I WAS JUST WONDERING LIKE WHERE, WHERE'S, WHERE'S THE COMPARISON? IS THIS NORMAL OR NOT? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. UH, THAT'S ALL MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SECOND CALL? WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL? ALL RIGHT. PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED. UM, MS. STAR, I WOULD, YOU OR MS. MEADOWS LIKE TO ANSWER? I DON'T KNOW HOW TO ANSWER THAT AND BE TOTALLY ACCURATE. I'M SORRY, I MISSED PART OF THE QUESTION. CAN WE REPEAT IT? UM, HOW THAT BONUS IS COMES ABOUT, I MEAN, I KNOW IT CAME FROM THE STATE, BUT IT, UM, IS IT MEANT ONE TIME BONUS IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T REALLY RAISE ANYBODY'S SALARY. UM, IT'S JUST A TREAT FROM THOSE FROM RICHMOND IN A WAY. CORRECT? YES. SO EXACTLY. OKAY. HOPEFULLY THAT HISTORICALLY THE STATE AT THE END OF THE YEAR, IF THEY'VE HAD ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THEY HAVE IMPLEMENTED AND IT'S BEEN ROUGHLY ONE AND A HALF TO 2% I BELIEVE THE LAST THREE YEARS. UM, IT IS SEPARATE FROM COLA, UM, WHICH IS A COST OF LIVING INCREASE, WHICH DOES ADD TO THEIR, UM, ONGOING SALARY. UM, SO THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT ITEMS, BUT IT'S PRETTY STANDARD FROM THE STATE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU MA'AM. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ON THIS ITEM? I, I MOVE THAT WARREN COUNTY CODE 30 DASH 13 BE ADOPTED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. ANDERSON. MR. STEINMEYER? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAMESON? AYE. [I.7. Ordinance for Triennial review of exempt property & Tax Relief for the Elderly] ALL RIGHT. ORDINANCE FOR TRIENNIAL REVIEW OF EXEMPT PROPERTY AND TAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY. AND I'M NOT SURE IF MS HOURS IS HERE. YEAH, EITHER. ARE IT SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE ADVERTISEMENT OR SOMETHING? THIS? YEAH. GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. I'M GLAD YOU'RE HERE BECAUSE I WASN'T GONNA BE ABLE TO WING THIS ONE. YOU WASN'T, HUH? NO. UM, THE TRIANNUAL REVIEW, OF COURSE, WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT. I MENTIONED IT TO YOU ALL. I GUESS IT WAS AT A WORK SESSION AND THEY'VE GOT TO DO SOME MORE WORK ON THE ORDINANCE. SO THAT'S GOTTA ALL BE REDONE. UM, IT'S BASICALLY FOR THE CURRENT EXEMPT PEOPLE TO FILE A EXEMPTION FORM WITH US BY DUE DATE FOR THEM TO REMAIN EXEMPT, IT'S TO MAKE SURE THAT THE USE IS STILL THE SAME. OKAY. AND SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS WE, THIS ISN'T READY FOR A VOTE. OR MR. HAM, DO YOU WANNA EXPLAIN? YES. UH, MS. MRS. SAUER HAS EXPLAINED THAT, UM, THERE'S A STATUTE THAT AUTHORIZES THE COUNTY TO ADOPT AN ORDINANCE THAT ALLOWS YOUR COMMISSIONER OF REVENUE TO REQUIRE THOSE WHO ARE ALREADY CLAIMING EXEMPTION TO BASICALLY FILE AN APPLICATION TO PROVE THAT. AND THEN THEY WOULD DO IT AT SOME POINT THIS YEAR AND THEN EVERY THREE YEARS TO MAKE SURE THE UU STAYS THE SAME, THE STATUTE THAT, YOU KNOW, IT'S AN ORDINANCE ADOPTION. AND SO, UM, UH, WE ADVERTISE IT ONCE A WEEK FOR TWO WEEKS, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER ORDINANCE. BUT THE STATUTE ACTUALLY SAYS IT HAS TO HAVE A 60 DAYS WRITTEN NOTICE. AND SO WE HAVEN'T COMPLIED WITH THAT, BUT SINCE WE DID ADVERTISE A ONCE A WEEK FOR TWO WEEK PUBLIC NOTICE AND THERE'S A CHANCE THAT SOMEONE'S HERE, IT WAS MY SUGGESTION. UM, AND YOUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AGREED TO GO AHEAD AND LEAVE IT ON THE AGENDA TO LISTEN TO ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT MIGHT BE PRESENTED TONIGHT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT AFTER WE HAVE DRAFTED THE ORDINANCE AND THEN ADVERTISED IT, UH, AND THEN WAITED 60 DAYS, THERE WILL BE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING WHERE THE PUBLIC CAN SPEAK AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THE SAME PEOPLE IF THEY COME TONIGHT OR DIFFERENT PEOPLE OR, OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE. SO AT THIS POINT, I, I DON'T NEED TO OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING. I JUST GAVE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR SOMEONE TO SPEAK AND THEN WE WILL [01:30:02] THAT THAT WOULD BE FINE. YES. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE ANOTHER ITEM ON HERE? IT SAYS ANTAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY THAT IS LISTED ON THERE, BUT THERE WAS NO MOTION OR ANYTHING. SO I'M GUESSING WE'RE GONNA PROBABLY HAVE TO DO THAT AT THE SAME TIME. THAT WAS MY ASSUMPTION AS WELL. YEAH. TO DO 'EM ON THE SAME TIME BECAUSE WE NEED SOME OPTIONS FOR YOU ON THAT. YEAH. CASE WHEN, UM, WHEN THE HEARING HAPPENS, I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THE OKAY, THIS, UH, TAX RELIEF FOR THE ELDERLY IS SEPARATE. UH, YES. AND THE ADVERTISEMENT FROM THE EXEMPT PROPERTIES, THAT'S, THOSE ARE ENTIRELY SEPARATE ITEMS. I I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE LISTED THE SAME HERE. YEAH, THANK, I AGREE WITH YOU. THEY'RE ENTIRELY SEPARATE. YEAH. THAT'S WHY I'D RATHER NOT EVEN HAVE OPEN A PUBLIC HEARING AND NOT CLOSE IT BECAUSE, AND JUST HAVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS THAT IF ANYONE'S HERE TONIGHT, SO THAT WE START FRESH AND SEPARATE WHEN THOSE TWO ITEMS, WHEN, UH, WHEN EVERYTHING'S READY. SO, UM, MR. HENDERSON, DID ANYBODY SIGN UP? YES, MA'AM. LEWIS MOTON, THERE YOU GO. WOULD NOT WANNA DISAPPOINT YOU AND NOT LET YOU TALK ON THIS ? YEAH, I, I, THE SENIORS BROUGHT THIS UP TO ME AND, UH, THEY KNOW I SPEAK A LOT AND THEY, THEY'VE TALKED, THEY'VE, THEY'VE EXPRESSED A LOT TO ME ABOUT THINGS LIKE THIS. AND, SORRY, I AM LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT, IN CASE YOU DON'T KNOW. UM, BUT I HAD ON MY NOTES THAT I NEED CLEARLY TO KEEP THIS CLEARLY SEPARATE FROM THE EXEMPT PROPERTY REVIEW FROM THE SENIOR TAX RELIEF. AND YOU ALL ACROSS THE BOARD SEEM TO LIKE CATCH ONTO THAT RIGHT AWAY. AND I LIKE THAT THE ATTORNEY CHIMED IN ON THAT. UM, PLEASE MAKE SURE TO REVIEW EVERYTHING I SENT IN ALREADY 'CAUSE IT WAS AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST. THEY ARE, THEY ARE WORRIED. UM, SO I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE OTHER THAN THAT 'CAUSE I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH MORE I CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THIS DISCUSSION OTHER THAN WHAT I'VE SENT SENT TO YOU ALREADY. THEY'RE WORRIED THEY NEED HELP. AND I REMEMBER SEEING A GENTLEMAN COME IN HERE ONE TIME SAYING HIM AND HIS WIFE COULDN'T QUALIFY BECAUSE THEY WERE IN THE SAME HOUSE OR SOMETHING AND HE, HE WAS RUNNING AROUND IN CIRCLES TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DO IT. 'CAUSE THEY COULDN'T FILE TOGETHER. THEY HAD TO DO IT SEPARATELY. SO THERE'S A VERY, UM, THERE'S A NEED OF CONFUSION AROUND THIS AS WELL. SO PLEASE WORK ON THIS, MAKE IT EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO UNDERSTAND, LISTEN TO PEOPLE WITH WHAT THEY'RE GOING THROUGH. GO TO THE SENIOR CENTER, ASK THEM WHAT THEY THINK. THEY'RE THE PEOPLE WHO NEED THIS. I CAN ONLY TALK SO MUCH, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE YOUR FIRSTHAND KNOWLEDGE. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT, [I.8. Budget Amendment exceeding 1% of total expenditures - Alisa Scott, Finance Director, Jon Martz, Director of Social Services] DOWN TO BUDGET AMENDMENT. EXCEEDING 1% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES AND I'M NOT SURE IF MS. SCOTT IS BACK THERE, BUT MR. MARKS, I KNOW YOU ARE, SO IF YOU'D LIKE TO COME ON DOWN. OH, THERE YOU ARE. I WAS LOOKING IN THAT CORNER. YES. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD PART, THE CHILDREN'S SERVICES FUNDING PROJECTIONS DATED 5 19 20 26 AND APPROVED BY THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM, CPMT. AN ADDITIONAL $1,782,684 IS REQUESTED FOR CSA WARRANTS ISSUED. THE LOCAL CONTRIBUTION ONLY IS $115,000. WE DISCUSSED THIS, UH, PUBLIC HEARING, I BELIEVE AT A WORK SESSION RECENTLY, UM, IN THE REASON FOR THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS BECAUSE IT EXCEEDS 1% OF THE OVERALL COUNTY BUDGET. SO WITH THAT, I'M AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS. MS. CLARK IS HERE AS THE CSA COORDINATOR FOR ANY QUESTIONS YOU MIGHT HAVE AS WELL. ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS POINT? NO, WE COVERED THIS PREVIOUSLY. OKAY. PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN. MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? LEWIS MOTON? WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO GIVE YOU AN AWARD. , I DUNNO, I THINK I'M TRYING TO SHOOT FOR A THOUSAND, UH, LEWIS MOTON NORTH RIVER DISTRICT. UM, SO HERE, HERE'S THE PROBLEM I'M HAVING IS BUDGET TRUST. WE, WE HAD A BUDGET AND NOW WE'RE JUMPING IN WITH, UH, FOR THAT 1% INCREASE. UH, WHILE BACK WE HAD, YOU KNOW, THE INCREASE ON THE AIRPORT T HANGERS. SO [01:35:01] I'M LIKE, DO WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THIS IS GONNA COME THROUGH? BUT WE JUST DON'T PUT IT ON THE BUDGET BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE SURE WE GET UNDER THAT, THAT CAP OF WHAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE BUDGET. I, I UNDERSTAND WE ARE, WE'RE ONLY CONTRIBUTING A SMALL AMOUNT, BUT IT WOULD BEEN NICE TO SAY, HEY, THIS IS COMING UP, OR THIS IS WHAT'S TO BE EXPECTED. I, I DON'T KNOW. I, I KNOW WE HAVE TO HAVE WORK WITH HARD FIGURE NUMBERS ON THAT BUDGET, BUT I WAS CONSTANTLY FINDING OUT, OH, THERE'S, UM, MONEY LEFT OVER THAT THEY'RE, SO THE PROPOSED BUDGET VERSUS WHAT WAS ASKED WAS LOWERED BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SOME MONEY LEFT OVER, BUT THAT WASN'T REFLECT ON THE BUDGET. SO IT'S HAD A LOT OF CONFUSION. NOW I'M SEEING A LOT OF OTHER THINGS BEING ADDED TO THE BUDGET, SO I'M LIKE, CAN I TRUST THE BUDGET OR IS THIS, ARE WE GONNA KEEP SEEING THESE BIG ADDITIONS AND ADDITIONS AND ADDITIONS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT THE ADDITIONS EXCEPT FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. SO THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S THE CONCERN I HAVE. IS THERE WHAT'S GOING ON ? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? MR. ANDERSON? UH, NO MA'AM. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL. I LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARINGS NOW CLOSED. UM, I WAS GONNA SAY IF YOU, UM, CPMT IS A BIT COMPLICATED, TO SAY THE LEAST. AND I'M CHAIR MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. GOOD EVENING. I'M JOHN MARS, DIRECTOR OF SOCIAL SERVICES. UM, SPEAKING TO MR. MOTON, UH, THE PROBLEM WITH THE CSA BUDGET IS IT IS COMPLETELY DEPENDENT UPON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN THAT ENTER INTO FOSTER CARE. IT'S ALSO DEPENDENT UPON THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS WHO GET THE SPECIAL SERVICES OR THE, UM, PRIVATE DAY SCHOOLING, WHICH IS IMPOSSIBLE TO KNOW AHEAD OF TIME. AND SO WE TRY TO FORECAST AS WELL AS WE CAN FOR THAT. BUT I WOULD SAY TWO YEARS AGO WE HAD A RUSH OF CHILDREN COME INTO FOSTER CARE. LAST YEAR, NOT SO MUCH THIS YEAR, DOUBLE DIGIT CHILDREN CAME INTO FOSTER CARE. THESE ARE MANDATED EXPENSES AND SO THE COUNTY HAS TO PUT UP THE MONEY AND, AND PAY FOR IT. AND SO WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS FORECAST AHEAD OF TIME AS FAR AS WE CAN. WE THINK THIS IS THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN WHO MIGHT COME INTO CARE OR WE THINK THIS IS NUMBER OF CHILDREN THROUGH THE SCHOOLS WHO MIGHT NEED THE SERVICES. GENERALLY WE CAN BALLPARK IT THIS YEAR. UNFORTUNATELY WE HAD MORE KIDS NEEDING OF SERVICES THAN WAS FORECAST, SO THANK YOU. SURE. IF THERE'S NO QUESTION FROM THE BOARD, IS THERE A MOTION? YEAH. BEFORE I MAKE THE MOTION, I'LL JUST REMIND THAT, UH, THE COST OF THE COUNTY, THE LOCAL CONTRIBUTION IS ONLY $115,000. AND WITH THAT SAID, I MOVE THAT THE 20 25 20 26 WARREN COUNTY BUDGET BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL $1,782,684 TO THE COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT TEAM BUDGET LINE ITEM AND THAT SUCH FUNDS BE APPROPRIATED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON. ALRIGHT, MR. HENRY. AYE. MADDEN CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. STAN MEYER? AYE. [J. Consent Agenda] ALRIGHT. UH, WE ARE AT THE CONSENT AGENDA. ARE THERE ANY ITEMS TO PULL FOR DISCUSSION OFF THE CONSENT AGENDA? HEARING NONE. IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA AS SUBMITTED? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. MR. MEYER? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAMISON? AYE. [K.1. Chester Gap Staffing Agreement and Funding Allocation] ALRIGHT, WE ARE DOWN TO NEW BUSINESS. AND THE FIRST, UM, THE NEW BUSINESS IS CHESTER GAP STAFFING AGREEMENT AND FUNDING ALLOCATION. SORRY, I WAS TRYING TO WALK IN MY BOOT. NOT SQUEAKED. SO MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD COUNTY STAFF IS ALWAYS, IT'S A PLEASURE TO BE HERE THIS EVENING. UH, THIS ITEM IS A CONTINUATION FROM OUR LAST MEETING'S DISCUSSION AS IT RELATES TO THE, UM, STAFFING FOR ADEQUATE FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESPONSE GRANT. UH, THIS ITEM IS THE [01:40:01] SUBCONTRACTOR STAFFING ASSOCIATED WITH THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT ARE STATION NINE. UH, WE WERE ASKED TO PUT TOGETHER A COST ESTIMATE AS IT RELATES TO WHAT IT WOULD TAKE TO, UH, FUND CHESTER GAP THROUGH THE END OF THE YEAR AS WE AWAIT THE, UM, ANY TYPE OF AWARD ANNOUNCEMENT FROM THE SAFER. I WILL TAKE A QUICK MOMENT AND LET YOU KNOW THAT WE DID SUCCESSFULLY APPLY FOR THE SAFER GRANT. IT WAS SUBMITTED ON THURSDAY OF LAST WEEK. UH, A VERY COMPREHENSIVE GRANT THAT INCLUDED, UM, THE SIX POSITIONS TO PUT FULL-TIME STAFFING AT THE CHESTER GAP STATION, AS WELL AS INCREASED STAFFING AT OUR HIGH CALL VOLUME STATIONS. OUR STATION ONE AND TWO, UM, 10. UM, IN ADDITION, UH, WE DID A VERY ROBUST, UM, AND, UH, ALL ENCOMPASSING NARRATIVES TO SUPPORT THOSE REQUESTS. VERY PROUD OF OUR STAFF'S PARTICIPATION ON VERY TIGHT TIMELINES. I WANT TO THANK OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION TEAM, OUR EMERGENCY COMMUNICATIONS TEAM, AND PULLING THE DATA AND ANALYTICS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT AS WELL AS WE RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM, UH, OUR LOCAL STATE REPRESENTATIVES. SO, UM, UH, DELEGATE DOLORES OATS, AS WELL AS SENATOR FRENCH AND OUR FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES TO INCLUDE KANE, UH, WARNER. UM, I'M MISSING A COUPLE THERE. I GOT A BRAIN FART. BUT WE RECEIVED, UH, LETTERS OF SUPPORT FROM ALL OF OUR STATE REPRESENTATIVES AND FEDERAL REPRESENTATIVES THAT SERVE WARRING COUNTY. UH, SO WE HAVE THOSE IN A PACKET. WE WILL FORWARD ALL OF THOSE TO, UH, FEMA AS WELL AS THEIR RESPECTIVE GRANT OFFICES HAVE ALREADY FORWARDED THAT TO THE ACTING DIRECTOR OF FEMA. SO, UH, VERY PROUD OF THAT IN AWAITING TO SEE. UH, BUT IN THE INTERIM, UH, AS WE AWAIT, UH, SO WHAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU IS A COST ESTIMATE FOR THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM. THAT COST ESTIMATE FOR SIX MONTHS IS $189,435. ADDITIONALLY, AT THE REQUEST OF COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, WE HAVE TAKEN, TAKEN THE PREVIOUSLY SIGNED AGREEMENT BETWEEN CHESTER GAP. RAPPAHANNOCK AND WARREN HAVE REMOVED HANOCK, UH, AND MADE THAT AN AGREEMENT WITH CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT, UH, THAT HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. UM, AND I WILL SAY THAT THERE IS AN UNKNOWN ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SITUATION. YOUR PACKET INCLUDES A COST ESTIMATE FOR, UH, ACCIDENT SICKNESS, WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE ON THE SUBCONTRACTORS. WE DID HEAR YESTERDAY BACK FROM THE COUNTY'S INSURANCE VENDOR THAT, UH, IT WOULD BE BEST THAT THE CHESTER GAP VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT CARRY THE INSURANCE POLICY ON THE SUBCONTRACTORS. UH, SO YOU ALL WOULD HAVE TO MAKE THE DECISION IF YOU CONTINUE WITH THIS PROGRAM, DO YOU WANNA PROVIDE FINANCIAL SUPPORT FOR THE INSURANCE OR JUST PUT THAT BURDEN ON CHESTER GAP STATION? UH, SO THOSE COST ESTIMATES ARE IN YOUR PACKET. UH, WE MET WITH OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION TEAM, UH, AND CHIEF BROWN BY TELECONFERENCE TODAY. JUST TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF TALKING POINTS. UM, AND, UH, WE WANNA MAKE CLEAR THAT, UH, WE HAVE COMMUNICATED WITH HANOCK COUNTY, UM, AND THEY ARE ON TRACK TO INSTITUTE THEIR STAFFING PROGRAM AT THE FLINT HILL STATION. COME JULY ONE, WE MAINTAIN OUR TWO A LS UNITS AT STATION ONE. WE HAVE SENT A LETTER TO THE ENTIRE RESPONSE DISTRICT OF THE CHESTER GAP STATION. SO 600 AND SOME ADDRESSES, I BELIEVE IT WENT TO THAT LETTER EXPLAINING KIND OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT WE ARE PREPARED TO DO TO ENSURE A LEVEL OF RESPONSE SHOULD THE SUBCONTRACTOR PROGRAM NOT BE SUPPORTED. SO FOR US, AS WE'VE SAID BEFORE, IT IS MORE BUSINESS AS USUAL IN THE WAY OF OUR RESPONSE. UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO DISPATCH THE CHESTER GAP STATION. WE WILL REPLACE THEM WITH A STAFFED COMPANY UPON DISPATCH AND, UH, WHEELS TURNING UPON DISPATCH. UM, ADDITIONALLY, UM, CHESTER GAP REPRESENTATIVES, I BELIEVE PRESIDENT KEVIN WILLIAMS IS HERE THIS EVENING AND HE WANTED TO TAKE A QUICK MOMENT AND ADDRESS A FEW THINGS WITH THE BOARD. UH, AND I REMAIN AFTER HIS PRESENTATION TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IN WHICH YOU MAY HAVE. THANK YOU CHIEF [01:45:01] MEDICO. UM, GOOD EVENING BOARD. UM, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO, TO SPEAK. I'M KEVIN WILLIAMS, I'M PRESIDENT OF CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, I BASICALLY WANTED TO COME UP AND FIRST OFF ON BEHALF OF CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT. UM, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT OVER THE PAST YEARS AND CONTINUE TO SUPPORT AND EVERYTHING. BUT I ALSO WANT TO APOLOGIZE, UM, EVIDENTLY, UM, THERE'S SOME LATE EMAILS THAT KEEP POPPING UP WHEN IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE MAKING SOME TRACTION ON SOME THINGS OVER HERE, UM, FROM RAPPAHANNOCK, SOME EMAILS COME IN AND EVERYTHING. UM, I WANNA APOLOGIZE THAT THOSE EMAILS KEEP COMING IN. ONE OF 'EM WAS A OUTLINE OF, UM, SOME RECENT ACTIVITIES AS FAR AS HOW THIS PLAYED OUT IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY. THE ONE THING I DO LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WHEN THEY'RE HIGHLIGHTING ALL THE MEETINGS THAT HAD TAKEN PLACE, THE MEETINGS THAT ARE NOT SHOWING UP IN THERE AND SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF MS. COLORS IS THE MEETINGS THAT WERE HELD AT CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS WHERE MS. COLORS WAS THERE. UM, THE CHAIR LADY FROM RAPPAHANNOCK WAS THERE AND ALL THAT. THOSE MEETINGS ARE NOT HIGHLIGHTED IN THERE TO SHOW THAT WARREN COUNTY, SOMEONE WITH WARREN COUNTY WAS MEETING WITH RAPPAHANNOCK AND EVERYTHING. UM, I WANT TO APOLOGIZE ALSO, AS FAR AS WE WERE TOLD, UM, IN ONE OF THE MEETINGS, I THINK, UM, SUPERVISOR JAMESON AND MS. COLORS WAS THERE, I THINK IT WAS MARCH THE 30TH, UM, WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, AND THEY PRESENTED A MOU TO, UM, WARREN COUNTY. UM, PREVIOUSLY BEFORE THAT YOU HAD RECEIVED THE EMAIL FROM OUR COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR STATING MAY THE THIRD, WE NEEDED TO MAKE A DECISION. AND THEN DURING THAT MEETING, UH, THAT WE HAD AT CHESTER GAP, WHEN I ASKED WHAT WAS THE FINAL DATE FOR A DECISION TO BE MADE, WE WERE TOLD THEY NEEDED TO KNOW SOMETHING BY MAY THE 15TH. AND THAT'S WHAT EVERYONE WAS WORKING OFF OF. AND YOU KNOW, THE, THE HISTORY FROM THERE, I'M NOT GONNA KEEP HOUNDING THAT. UM, ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT IS WHEN THEY SAY THAT THEY PICKED UP A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THE COST OF THIS PROGRAM OVER THERE, UM, THEY PICKED UP MAYBE 80% OF IT CHESTER GAPS HAD TO PAY APPROXIMATELY 20% OR, UM, OF THE COSTS FOR THIS PROGRAM. UM, SINCE, SINCE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON, UH, WE OVER THE PAST COUPLE YEARS SINCE COVID STARTED, I THINK WE'VE PUT OUT APPROXIMATELY ALMOST $300,000 OUT OF OUR OWN BUDGET TO KEEP THIS PROGRAM GOING FOR, UM, OVERRUNS AND, AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, ONE OTHER THING I'D LIKE TO, UM, TALK TO IS CHIEF MANCO TALKED ABOUT THE WORKERS' COMP, UM, CHESTER GAP. FIRE DEPARTMENT IS WILLING TO COVER THAT, UM, WITH OUR EMS COST RECOVERY FUNDS AND SOME OTHER FUNDS THAT WE HAVE, UM, TO MAKE THAT UP ALIGNED AS COUNTY ADMINIS PRIOR COUNTY ADMINISTRATION WAS, WAS SPEAKING. UM, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? UH, RAP HANKS MADE THEIR DECISION. THEY MOVED THE PROGRAM TO FLINT HILL. UH, WE'RE LOOKING AT LAKEFRONT ROYAL PO WOODS, HARMONY HOLLOW, AND NOT ONLY THOSE AREAS. THAT IS OUR FIRST DUE AREA. AND ONE THING WE ALWAYS KEPT HEARING ON A RAP PANIC SIDE WAS WE RUN SO MANY CALLS IN WARREN COUNTY, WE'RE IN WARREN COUNTY ALL THE TIME. UM, SO SOME OF THAT WAS SOME OF THE CONVERSATIONS THEY'VE HAD AROUND THIS OVER THERE WHEN THEY WERE MAKING THEIR DECISIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. UM, BUT NOT ONLY DO WE COVER OUR FIRST TWO AREA IN WARREN COUNTY, WE GO BEYOND THAT. WE HAVE GONE IN OTHER AREAS, TOWN OF FRONT, ROYAL, BROWNTOWN, BENTONVILLE, UH, LINDEN AREA IN DIFFERENT THINGS AS FAR AS BACKFILL. UM, SINCE THIS PROGRAM, SINCE RAP HAN HAD MADE THE DECISION TO PULL OUT, WE HAVE COME INTO, UM, TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL. UM, AS CHIEF BROWN SAID IN THE LAST MEETING, UM, THEY HAD A WORKING INCIDENT IN THE COUNTY CHESTER GAP MEDIC UNIT CAME TO A CALL HERE RIGHT AT COMPANY ONE, UM, FOR A WALK-IN PATIENT AND HANDLED THAT CALL. UM, ANOTHER THING I WANT TO POINT OUT WAS IN THERE, UM, RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR HAD PUT IN THERE THAT CHIEF BROWN AT THE LAST MEETING MISREPRESENTED RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY. UM, THAT IS NOT THE CASE. WE ARE GOING OFF THE INFORMATION WE GET. AND BY SAYING THAT, I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW THAT ONCE THEY TOOK THEIR VOTE IN RAPPAHANNOCK ON MAY THE THIRD, THERE HAS BEEN NO COMMUNICATIONS WITH CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY ON, ON ANYTHING. WE'RE A MONTH, UM, IN ON THEIR DECISION AND THEY HAVE NOT REACHED OUT TO HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS WITH US. UM, AND THAT'S WHY I GO ALSO, THE LAST THING I'LL BRING UP IS WE HAVE MET WITH FIRE ADMIN AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATION, UM, OFFERING OTHER PROPOSALS AS FAR AS OUR EMS LICENSE, OUR EMS EQUIPMENT AND EVERYTHING. BUT BEFORE WE COULD ACTUALLY DO THAT AND TURN THINGS OVER, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE THE STAFFING TO, UM, BE ABLE TO PROVIDE THAT SERVICE. AND WHEN WARREN COUNTY IS PAYING FOR THE STAFFING, THIS IS STAFFING IS WARREN COUNTY'S, UM, STAFFING. SO WHEN IT'S COMING INTO TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL BENTONVILLE, BROWNTOWN, LINDEN, WHEREVER IT MAY NEED TO GO IN WARREN COUNTY, [01:50:01] UM, WE, WE CANNOT HEAR THE STUFF HEARING ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN THAT YOU'RE SPENDING TOO MUCH TIME IN WARREN COUNTY RUNNING CALLS BECAUSE YOU GUYS WILL BE FUNDING THIS TO HAVE THAT SERVICE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. DID YOU WANT TO SAY ANYTHING, CHIEF BROWN? I'LL BE REAL SHORT. , UH, LIKE KEVIN WAS SAYING, UH, ONE THING THAT I'D LIKE TO BRING UP AGAIN, OF COURSE WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT THE LAST MEETING, YOU KNOW, UH, WE'VE REALLY, I FEEL THAT, YOU KNOW, WE REALLY NEED TO KEEP THE NEXT SIX MONTHS STAFF. UH, I HAVE, UM, RESERVATIONS ABOUT NOT BEING STAFFED. UH, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE HERE TO HELP THE CITIZENS. WE'RE WE'RE PROVIDING A SERVICE TO THE CITIZENS AND THAT'S WHAT WE NEED YOU TO HELP US DO. UM, SO I'M, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, WE CAN CONTINUE THIS PARTNERSHIP FOR THE NEXT SIX MONTHS. AND LIKE I SAY, WE 100% SUPPORT THE SAFER GRANT. HOPEFULLY THE SAFER GRANT WILL GO THROUGH AND WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, MADAM CHAIR, MAY I SPEAK BRIEFLY? YES, SIR. THE AGREEMENT THAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU AND THE MOTION, THE, FOR 194,435, AND IT INCLUDES $5,000 FOR WORKERS' COMPENSATION. UH, AND THE AGREEMENT WOULD ALSO PROVIDE THAT THE COUNTY PROVIDES THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION. WHAT I HEARD REPRESENTATIVES OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT SAY TODAY IS THAT THEY WILL PROVIDE THE, UH, WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE. AND WITH THAT IN MIND, UH, IF THE BOARD WERE TO PASS THIS, I WOULD CROSS OUT THAT PORTION OF THE AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WORKERS' COMPENSATION INSURANCE FOR THE PROGRAM WILL BE PROVIDED BY WARREN COUNTY AT A COST OF APPROXIMATELY $5,000 FOR A SIX MONTH TERM. AND I WOULD AMEND THAT TOTAL PROGRAM COST, UH, FROM 194,435, WHICH INCLUDED THE 5,000 WORKERS' COMP TO 189,435. AND SO IF YOU WANTED TO APPROVE THIS, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU PASS THE PROPOSED OR SUGGESTED MOTION WITH THE AMENDED AMOUNT OF 180 9 435, WHICH WOULD REFLECT THE FACT OF THE WORKERS' COMPENSATION NOT BEING PAID BY THE COUNTY. AND THEN THE CONTRACT WOULD BE MARKED THROUGH SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S IN YOUR PACKET. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO, UM, QUESTIONS FOR, YEAH. AND THEN MAYBE IT'S MS. MEADOWS GONNA ANSWER, BUT SOMEBODY CAN ANSWER. I DIDN'T SEE IN HERE, IT MIGHT'VE BEEN THERE. WHERE'S THE $189,000 COMING FROM? IT WOULD NEED TO COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND. WE HAVE NO OTHER SOURCE, UM, IDENTIFIED FOR IT. OKAY. IT WOULD NOT BE COMING OUT OF, UM, THE COUNTY'S FIRE. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK IT'S PRETTY EVIDENT TOO WITH THE MEMOS THAT WERE SENT OUT AND WITH THE INDIVIDUAL SPEAKING ABOUT THAT HAS BEEN VERY CONTENTIOUS, VERY CONTENTIOUS PROCEDURES THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, I GUESS. OH, THAT WAS THE OTHER THING. RIGHT NOW, HOW MANY MEDIC UNITS ARE CURRENTLY ACROSS THE STREET COMPANY? ONE, WE HAVE TWO STAFFED A LS UNITS. OKAY. UH, AND WE HAVE FOUR PERSON A DAY STAFFING AT STATION ONE. SO THAT STATION, WE, WE DON'T GO BELOW TWO A LS PROVIDERS AT THAT CENTRAL STATION. OKAY. UH, WE MADE THAT EFFECTIVE CHANGE WHEN THE COUNTY WITHDREW FROM THE, UH, STAFFING PROGRAM THE FIRST TIME. AND WE SHIFTED OUR FUNDING RESOURCES TO HIRE, UH, THOSE THREE POSITIONS TO DO THAT. AT STATION ONE. UM, JULY ONE, WE'VE BEEN APPROVED FOR SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS. UM, AND THOSE POSITIONS, UM, SIX, SIX ADDITIONAL POSITIONS, THOSE POSITIONS WILL ALSO GO TO FRONT ROYALS. SO, UH, IT'LL TAKE US APPROXIMATELY A MONTH AND A HALF TO ONBOARD THOSE EMPLOYEES GO THROUGH CORE COMPETENCY TRAINING. UH, AND THEY WILL BE ASSIGNED TO STATION ONE, MOVING THAT STATION TO SIX PERSON A DAY STAFFING. OKAY. WE ANTICIPATE THAT TO BE KIND OF MID AUGUST. OKAY. THANK YOU. DOES, AND MR. HENRY, YOU MIGHT BE HELPING ME WITH THIS. DO WE HAVE THE EQUIPMENT TO GET UP INTO IN THE WINTERTIME? YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA ASK IT BECAUSE IT'S BEEN BROUGHT UP. I, YOU KNOW, IT'S ONE THING TO SAY YOU'VE GOT FOUR RESCUE SQUADS, IT'S ANOTHER ONE TO BE ABLE TO SAY THREE, UH, [01:55:01] RESCUE SQUADS. EXCUSE ME. AND FOR THE PEOPLE SITTING IN THE BACK AND WHOEVER'S LISTENING, I APPRECIATE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU BECAUSE I ADVOCATE FOR THIS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I DON'T APPRECIATE WHAT WE HAVE ON OUR SIDE. AND I WANT THAT TO BE CLEAR. UM, JUST LIKE I ADVOCATE FOR THE PEOPLE IN BROWNTOWN, IT'S, THAT'S MY JOB. THAT'S WHAT I WAS ELECTED TO DO. UM, AND I'M TRYING TO DO IT THE BEST I CAN. I'VE GOTTEN A LITTLE CHRIS CRITICISM BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T KNOW HOW HARD I'VE ADVOCATED FOR THE SOUTH RIVER BROWN TOWN. MAYBE I SHOULD BE A LITTLE MORE VOCAL ABOUT THAT BECAUSE I DO, UM, ANNOY YOU AND, UH, CHIEF BONNO AS WELL ON THAT . UM, THAT'S A ANNOY IS A STRONG WORD. WELL, NOT WHEN I RAISED YOUR BLOOD PRESSURE AND GET YOUR LEG JUMPING UP AND DOWN, I THAT'S NOT A, UM, CHIEF POINTED THAT OUT TO YOU, DID HE? NO, I'VE NOTICED THAT FOR YEARS. SO, YES, TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, YES. UH, I HAVE FULL FAITH IN OUR FLEET RESOURCES BEING ABLE TO REACH NOT ONLY, UH, THE ELEVATIONS OF STATION NINE'S RESPONSE AREA, BUT DON'T FORGET, WE, WE TRAVEL INTO, THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA SAY, MORE TREACHEROUS ROADS THAN THAT TO INCLUDE HIGH KNOB, HIGH KNOB, UH, OUR FREEZELAND MOUNTAINLAND ROAD AREAS, BLUE MOUNTAIN. UM, YOU KNOW, WE, WE CAN DEFINE OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM ON A COUPLE OF MISSTEPS. THEY, THEY HAPPEN AND THEY HAPPEN OFTEN. UH, BUT THAT'S NOT HOW WE DEFINE OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM. WE DEFINE OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM BASED OFF OF, IF WE HAVE AN UNFORTUNATE FAILURE IN OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM, HOW DO WE LEARN FROM THAT? HOW DO WE GROW, UH, HOW DO WE ENSURE THAT ONE, WE ARE COMMUNICATING EFFECTIVELY TO ALL OF OUR RESPONSE CREWS. JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, EIGHT O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING EVERY DAY OUR CREWS ARE DOING DAILY BRIEFINGS. UH, THEY ARE GETTING WEATHER UPDATES FROM THE ON-DUTY BATTALION CHIEF. WE ARE GETTING REPORTS FROM EACH RESPECTIVE RESPONSE AREA. UH, HISTORICALLY IT WAS A GUESS BECAUSE WE DIDN'T HAVE THAT RESOURCE WHEN WE WOULD GO FROM FRONT ROYAL INTO CHESTER GAP UNLESS SOMEBODY CALLED TODD, WHICH WE DO OFTEN AND SAY, HEY, WHAT'S THE WEATHER DOING IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS? BECAUSE IT'S SUNNY AND FRONT ROYAL AND IT'S FREEZING FOG IN CHESTER GAP. IT WAS A CRAPSHOOT ON DO WE LEAVE THE BUILDING WITH CHAINS OR DO WE GO TO THE POINT TO WHERE WE CAN'T GO ANYMORE AND WE CHAIN UP AT THAT POINT. UH, AS A SMALL EXAMPLE, WELL MY, MY POINT HERE IS THIS JUST LIKE AN EVENT A YEAR, YEAR AND A HALF AGO WHERE, UM, SOME OF THESE TREACHEROUS TRAILS ON, UM, BOTH MOUNTAINS, THE SKYLINE DRIVE AND THE MASS, NOTHING OVER THERE, YOU'VE CALLED IN THE GATOR THING FROM FIVE MM-HMM MY POINT IS THERE'S ASSETS AT CHESTER GAP BEYOND THE PERSONNEL THAT ARE VALUABLE AT ANY GIVEN TIME. AND I I, I WORRY THAT IF WE DON'T SUPPORT UNTIL WE GET THESE, THAT THEY'RE GONNA CLOSE UP SHOP AND THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE AVAILABLE. AND WE NEVER KNOW WHEN WE NEED THOSE. YOU KNOW, THANK HAVE HOPE TO GOODNESS WE NEVER HAVE THE WILDFIRES THAT WE HAD. UM, BUT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT EVERYWHERE. AND LIKE I SAID, THAT HOPEFULLY IS A ONCE IN A LIFETIME EVENT FOR ME AND FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS YOU HAVE TO BE PREPARED FOR. AND I THINK THOSE ARE THINGS WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT CHESTER GAP BRINGS. IT'S NOT JUST THAT THEY CAN GET A RESCUE SQUAD OUT, IT'S CAN THEY GET A PIECE OF EQUIPMENT SOMEWHERE THAT MAYBE IN OUR SYSTEM WE CAN'T. SO YES MA'AM. AND RIGHT NOW IT IS OUR FULL INTENTION AND, AND, AND BASED OFF OF PREVIOUS DISCUSSIONS AND ACTIONS OF THIS BOARD, UH, WE WILL CONTINUE TO FUND CHESTER GAP. ITS ANNUAL ALLOCATION FOR SUCH SERVICE. THEY, THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE A DISPATCHED COMPANY AND WARREN COUNTY'S RESPONSE ALGORITHM, THEIR SPECIALTY PIECE, THEIR TANKER WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISPATCHED, THEIR ENGINE WILL CONTINUE. THEIR SPECIALTY ASSETS AND RESOURCES WILL STILL BE AT THE AVAILABILITY OF WARRING COUNTY'S DISPATCH. CHIEF BROWN HAS ONLY INDICATED TO THIS POINT THAT THEIR THREAT IS THE EMS PROGRAM. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE WE CAME UP WITH THE CONTINUITY OF OPERATIONS PLAN TO, IF THE STAFFING PROGRAM'S NOT VIABLE, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES NOT TO, LET'S NOT THROW THE BABY OUT WITH THE BATH WEATHER. LET'S KEEP THE MEDIC UNIT, LET'S LET'S ABSORB THE CALLS FROM WARREN COUNTY. AND IF YOU HAVE AN ASSEMBLY OF VOLUNTEERS IN THE BUILDING THAT ARE ABLE TO RESPOND TO NET PIECE OF APPARATUS, THEY WILL BE ABLE TO DO THAT BECAUSE WE HAVE ABSORBED THE COST AND THE [02:00:01] LICENSURE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT UNIT. RIGHT. UH, SO, SO REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS ON THE STAFFING PROGRAM, WE, I KEEP USING THE TERM BUSINESS AS USUAL. THEY WILL CONTINUE TO BE DISPATCHED TO WARRING COUNTY, THEIR TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT, ET CETERA, MADE AVAILABLE TO WARRING COUNTY. IF THEY CHOOSE NOT TO MAKE THOSE TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT AVAILABLE TO WARRING COUNTY, THEN OBVIOUSLY OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION WILL BE BACK BEFORE THE BOARD TALKING ABOUT THE ANNUAL FUNDING ALLOCATION GOING TO THEM. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NO LONGER GETTING, UH, THAT SERVICE THAT YOU ARE PAYING THAT COMPANY FOR. SO I DON'T THINK THAT'S A CURRENT THREAT WE PUT DOWN FOR STAFFING THERE IN THE SAFER GRANT. SO WHY WOULD WE LET THEM FOLD UNDER WHILE WE'RE WAITING FOR THAT? THAT'S, TO ME IS ANOTHER REASON TO FUND THEM. TO THAT POINT, WE DON'T GET THE SAVE FOR GRANT THEN WE GOTTA RE-LOOK AT THIS. BUT IT MAKES SENSE FOR THAT TIME PERIOD. WELL, TO COVER, WHEN WE WERE VOTING FOR THE, THE, THE MUCH NEEDED EXTRA EMT SERVICE AT THE STATION ONE, I WAS HOPING THAT WAS IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, KEEPING CHESTER GAP. SO, UM, AND IT'S ALL PROXIMITY. IT'S LIKE WHEN THE, THE BEING ON PLANNING COMMISSION, WE WERE ARGUING OVER THE, UH, THE LOCATION OF THE NEW FIRE. NOT REALLY ARGUING, BUT DISCUSSING, UH, THERE WAS SOME DIFFERENCE OF OPINION OF WHERE THE NEW STATION GO. NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT AT, UH, IF YOU MOVE IT, YOU'RE GONNA BE CLOSER TO SOMEBODY AND FARTHER FROM SOMEBODY ELSE. OH. SO, OH, NOT THAT STATION ONE IS INCAPABLE, BUT CURRENTLY IF WE DON'T FUND EMT SERVICE AT CHESTER GAP, WE'VE GOT THE SAME NUMBER OF EMT SERVICE ALL NOW. THEY'LL BOTH BE IN FRONT ROYAL. NOW, THERE AGAIN THAT'LL, YOU'LL BE CLOSER TO SOMEBODY AND FARTHER TO SOMEBODY ELSE. THE UH, THE IDEAL SITUATION IS TO HAVE BOTH ALL AND I THINK AT THE LESS THAN $200,000 FOR SIX MONTHS, OH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON THIS SAFER GRANT, IT'S A GOOD BANG FOR YOUR BUCK. YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS, UH, THREE TIMES THAT MUCH MONEY OR EVEN TWICE THAT MUCH MONEY, YOU MIGHT WOULD GO, WELL, MAYBE, MAYBE NOT. 'CAUSE YOU THEN YOU'RE REPLACING, UH, UH, TO REPLACE THAT ON OUR OWN SIDE WAS, UH, I THINK IT WAS 660,000. UH, SO, UH, A PARTNERSHIP FOR SOME EXTRA COVERAGE, UH, FINGERS CROSSED ON THE SAFER GRANT. UH, I I I THINK IT'S A FAIR, UH, I THINK IT'S A GOOD BANG FOR YOUR BUCK, UH, FOR SOME EXTRA COVERAGE. UH, 'CAUSE IT, WE ADDED TO STATION ONE, BUT I WAS HOPING TO HAVE THAT AND CHESTER GAP. SO THEN WE TRULY EXPANDED SERVICES, UH, AS IT IS WE'VE GOT THE SAME NUMBER OF SERVICES, BUT YOU, YOU'VE MOVED IT TO STATION ONE VERY CAPABLE, UH, STATION. UH, BUT, YOU KNOW, LOCATIONS, EVERYTHING. I'VE BEEN UH, I MEAN PERFECT WORLD, WE WOULD HAVE FULL TWO EMT SERVICES AT EVERY STATION AND, AND PLENTY OF HELP. OBVIOUSLY THAT'S A, A FINANCIAL GOAL, BUT IT'S A LONG WAYS OFF. SO I I THINK IT'S A GOOD BANG FOR THE BUCK. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS FOR ON THIS? I JUST, SOME, SOME CONCERNS I GUESS WITH THE, UH, CONTRACTORS, BUT WE'LL SEE IF THAT GETS IRON UP. YOU HAVE NO OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? SURE. UM, OH, I'M SORRY. ATTEMPTED TO START AT THE BOTTOM, BUT, BUT I'M GONNA START AT THE TOP. UM, PUT A LITTLE TIMELINE TOGETHER. UH, WE HAD A, A BUDGET MEETING VERY EARLY ON AND WE CHOSE TO OPTUM OPTION A, B AND C. UH, THE CHILD, THE OPTION THE BOARD MAJORITY VOTED FOR WAS TO NOT CONTINUE THE COVID ERA COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. AND I THOUGHT IT WAS RESOLVED AT THAT POINT. UM, THEN THE BOARD PASSED THE BUDGET WITH NO FUNDING ALLOCATED TO THE CONTINUATION OF THAT PLAN. SO ONCE AGAIN, THERE'S NO MONEY FOR IT AND WE DID NOT ALLOCATE TO IT. THAT'S WHAT A GOVERNING BODY DOES. YOU MAKE A BUDGET, YOU ALLOCATE TO A, B, AND C AND IF YOU DON'T ALLOCATE THE DEED, THEN D DOESN'T HAPPEN. THAT'S JUST THE WAY FUNDING WORKS. I MEAN, UM, BUT IT'S MONTHS LATER NOW. I MEAN THERE'S, MEETINGS HAVE CONTINUED AND, UH, I I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE HERE A AGAIN, UH, WITH AND I, AND I PER, I PERSONALLY, THIS IS MY PERCEPTION. I, FROM ALL THAT I'VE SEEN AND READ, I BELIEVE THAT THE, OUR, OUR CHIEF, OUR ASSISTANT CHIEF PRESIDENT OF OUR FIRE FREIGHTER UNION, THE RECOMMENDATION OF THE MATRIX STUDY [02:05:01] WE PAID FOR IN A MULTI-YEAR STRATEGIC PLAN ARE UNANIMOUS AND RECOMMENDING AGAINST THAT COVID ERA, UH, CONTINUATION OF THAT COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT. UM, AND SO WE'RE HERE MONTHS LATER. THE MAJORITY SAID THEY DIDN'T WANT TO CONTINUE IT. THE MAJORITY PASSED A BUDGET THAT DIDN'T HAVE MONEY FOR IT. NOW THERE'S ANOTHER, THERE'S AN ITERATION, ANOTHER ITERATION OF THE AREA. THERE'S AN AGREEMENT, THERE'S AN MOU AND THERE'S $200,000. AND, AND APPARENTLY IT'S GONNA COME FROM THE GENERAL FUND, BUT I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. WE JUST DID A BUDGET. WELL THEY, THEY'RE ONE TIME EXPENDITURES, SO YOU CAN DO WELL NO, SHE SAID GENERAL FUND, NOT, NOT, NOT THE, UH, RESERVE. SO YEAH, BUT IT, BUT IT STILL, IT'S STILL ONE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALLOCATED IN YEARLY BUDGET 'CAUSE IT'S NOT EVERY YEAR. AND WE DID SUPPORT IT IN THE SAFER GRANT. IT, THE SAFER GRANT IS IN OVER THE HORIZON. IT'S NOT IN THE PRESENT. AND THE POINT, I'M JUST MAKING A POINT ABOUT THE TIMELINE BEING HOW THE, THE BOARD HAS MOVED IN THIS REALM. UH, BUT IT SEEMS TO NOT MATTER BECAUSE IT JUST KEEPS COMING BACK, KEEPS COMING BACK, KEEPS COMING BACK. NOW WE GOT 189,000 FROM THE GENERAL FUND, NOT, NOT THE RESERVE. I, I'VE GOT A LOT OF PHONE CALLS OVER, IT'S WHY I'VE CONTINUED TO BRING IT UP. OKAY, WELL CITIZEN SUPPORT, THAT'S GOOD. BUT, BUT WE HAVE A BOARD AND WE HAVE FIVE AND THREE KEEP, KEEP SEEMING TO, TO SAY SOMETHING AND THEN ADMINISTRATIVELY AND, AND I GUESS POLITICALLY IT JUST, IT'S IMPORTANT POLITICALLY TO YOUR CONSTITUENTS. SO THAT'S WHY IT KEEPS COMING UP. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S POLITICAL. I, I DON'T SEE THIS AS HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES. IT'S NOTHING POLITICAL FOR ME. OKAY. UH, I RETRACT THAT THEN I, I RETRACT THAT. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, BUT NEVERTHELESS, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE, THESE ARE THE REASONS I, I, I, I'VE HEARD CHIEF AND THE ASSISTANT CHIEF OVER AND OVER AGAIN SAY, YOU KNOW, THAT, AND, AND I, AND I'VE SEEN THE STUDY. I SPENT A, A GOOD 10 OR 15 MINUTES READING OFF THAT STUDY, READING OFF RESPONSE TIMES IN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT ARE SUBSTANTIALLY LESS PERFORMANCE, UM, THAN THE THREE, UH, THAT ARE AT THE SUBJECT OF JUST LOWER AND CHESTER GAP. MAKE IT FAIR, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IF YOU LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WITH 18 MINUTES FOR RESPONSE TIME AND, AND THERE'S ANOTHER ONE WITH 13 AND YOU NEED TO PUT MORE MONEY WHERE THERE'S 13 TO MAKE SURE THAT STAYS 13. BUT IF WE PUT MONEY OVERALL TO THE SYSTEM AT LARGE, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS IT'S ALL DIRECTED TOWARD THE STRATEGIC PLAN. THAT'S, THAT'S THE GOAL. SO I'M JUST, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO BE INSENSITIVE TO ALL THE SPECIAL CONDITIONS AND, AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, SITUATIONS AND ALL. I DON'T WANT TO BE, UM, JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST POINT ABOUT THIS TIMELINE AND WHAT I SEE SO FAR. SO, UM, I'M, I'M NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. THAT'S ALL. DO A MOTION, SEE WHERE IT LANDS. YES, SIR. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AUTHORIZED THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO ENTER INTO A PROPOSED MOU FOR SUBCONTRACTOR SERVICES WITH CHESTER GAP FOR A TERM NOT TO EXCEED MONTHS AND FURTHER AUTHORIZED EXPENDITURE FOR UP, UP TO $189,435 FOR SUBCONTRACTORS OR S REIMBURSEMENT AND WORKERS. SECOND, IF I MAY JUST INTERJECT, DID YOU AMEND THE FIGURE ACCORDING TO, TO HE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT I CHANGE THE NUMBER TO 180 9. 'CAUSE THEY SAID THEY WOULD COVER THE INSURANCE. DID, DID. SO THAT WOULD REMOVE THE MONEY TO HE DID THAT. OH, HE DID? OKAY. MY APOLOGIES. NO, NO, I, THAT'S A VALID POINT. I WAS PAYING. HE DID DO THAT. OKAY. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND IT. ROLL CALL. MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMISON? NO. MR. HENRY. AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? NO. MR. SANDMEYER. AYE. I'M SORRY. I HAVE, AND I AM SORRY. ALL RIGHT. MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING. HANG ON A MINUTE. MR. MEYER VOTED YES. I VOTED. THIS, THIS ITEM PASSED. I'M SORRY. I DIDN'T, I HEARD, NO, I'M SORRY. OKAY. I, I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT I DIDN'T MISHEAR, BUT HE CLEARLY VOTED IN FAVOR OF THIS. SO THREE. I APOLOGIZE. THANK YOU, . MY HEART JUST DROPPED AND MY EARS WENT DEAF ON THAT. I THOUGHT I HEARD IT WRONG TOO AFTER HE SAID THAT. AND I WAS LIKE, DAMN. I THOUGHT HE SAID I, SO I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING. SO, THANK YOU. YES, THANK YOU. AT LEAST FOR SIX MONTHS. THANK YOU, MR. SAND. HONOR. ALL RIGHT. NOW [K.2. Memorandum of Understanding - Lump Sum Funding (WCSB)] MOVING ON TO MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING LUMP SUM FUNDING. UM, I DON'T SEE ANYONE HERE FROM THE SCHOOL, SO, UM, THAT'S ONE. SO [02:10:01] WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO SPEAK TO IT IF YOU WOULD, BECAUSE I DON'T EVEN SEE MS. SCOTT THERE. SO, SEVERAL WEEKS AGO WE HAD A WORK SESSION TO DISCUSS, UM, CHANGING THE FUNDING FORMAT FROM A LINE ITEM FUNDING TO LUMP SUM. SO IT'S STILL CATEGORICAL. UM, AND THIS IS A MOU THAT WOULD, UM, MAKE IT SO THAT THE COUNTY WOULD BE ABLE TO LUMP SUM FUND THE SCHOOL BOARD. ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? IF WE VOTE TO APPROVE IT, IT WOULD BE THE AMENDED AS PRESENTED WITH THE RED. YES. AND THE BOARD HAS ALREADY LUMPED SOME FUNDED THE SCHOOL BOARD, SO KIND OF MOOT POINT, RIGHT? YES. TAKE A MOTION. YES, SIR. I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY QUESTIONS. SO I WILL TAKE A MOTION. I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING LUMP SUM FUNDING WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WITH SUCH CHANGES AS ARE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. STAN MAYOR. AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAMES? AYE. OKAY. UH, MEMORANDUM [K.3. Memorandum of Understanding - Meals Tax (WCSB)] OF UNDERSTANDING MILL TAX. MS. MEADOWS, I APPRECIATE YOU TAKING THESE. YES, ABSOLUTELY. UM, WE, AGAIN, WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL WORK SESSIONS TO DISCUSS, UM, MEALS TAX AND MR. CARTER ACTUALLY WAS ABLE TO PROVIDE SOME HISTORICAL, UM, DATA THIS AFTERNOON TO THE ENTIRE BOARD REGARDING THE INTENTION OF THE REFERENDUM WHEN IT WAS VOTED ON IN 2003. UM, THE COUNTY HAS CONTINUED TO SET ASIDE SALES TAX, OR SORRY, MEALS, TAX FUNDS, SO THAT THEY ARE TO PAY FOR DEBT SERVICE FOR SCHOOLS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. UM, AND THIS WILL CONTINUE, I THINK THAT THIS MOU LAYS IT OUT A LITTLE MORE CLEARLY AND PROVIDES A LITTLE MORE DETAIL THAT PERHAPS WAS MISSING FROM SOME OF THE PRIOR AGREEMENTS. ANY QUESTION OR DISCUSSION ON THIS? OH, I MIGHT WOULD JUST ADD THIS ALL IN MY OWN RESEARCH. IT LOOKS LIKE, UH, CIPS OUTSIDE OF A DEBT SERVICE FOR SCHOOLS HAVE KIND OF BEEN AN UP AND DOWN SEESAW. SOME YEARS THEY WERE PRETTY NON-EXISTENT. UH, I CAN'T SPEAK TO PREVIOUS BOARDS AND WHAT THEIR INTENT OR THOUGHT WAS, YOU KNOW, ON SOME FLAT FUNDING. BUT I WILL SAY THAT THIS BOARD HAS INCREASED ITS OPERATING BUDGET OF OVER $5 MILLION. I THINK IT'S CLOSE TO 5.5, AND WE HAVE ALREADY APPROPRIATED ONE A LITTLE OVER $1.3 MILLION IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. UM, UM, I'M HOPING THAT, UH, I'M HOPING THAT'S ENOUGH, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN THE NEXT CHILLER'S GOING DOWN OR THE NEXT, UH, EMERGENCY. I'M HOPING THE, UH, THE STATE WILL ALSO, UH, GET THEIR BUDGET APPROVED AND, UH, WE MAY GET THE ROOF MONEY BACK SO WE CAN VOTE IT BACK TO 'EM AGAIN FOR ANOTHER ROOF. UH, WOULD BE MY INTENTIONS. UH, SO I'M HOPING WE GET TWO ROOFS AND A CHILLER AND SOME BUSES BETWEEN OUR MONEY AND THE STATE MONEY. BUT, UH, IT IS ABSOLUTELY MY INTENTION, UH, TO MAINTAIN THESE, THESE GOVERNMENT ASSETS. I THINK, I THINK A BUILDING, ESPECIALLY A SCHOOL 'CAUSE OF ITS SIZE AND WHAT ITS PURPOSE IS AS A, AS A COUNTY ASSET AND, UH, IT HAS TO BE MAINTAINED. UH, SO I'D ABSOLUTELY, ABSOLUTELY HOPE WE CAN DO THAT FORWARD. MAYBE Y'ALL, AND I'M NOT BEING CRITICAL, BUT I REMEMBER BACK DURING THE BUDGET SEASON, YOU KNOW, OTHER DEPARTMENTS WOULD, YOU KNOW, HAVE AN OPERATION BUSMAN AND THEN AN ASK. UH, I KNOW THE SCHOOLS HAVE A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM, BUT MAYBE IT NEEDS TO BE MORE TIMELINED AND MAYBE, UH, NEXT CYCLE. UH, IF THEY'VE GOT PRIORITIES, UH, YOU KNOW, THEY PRESENT THAT WITH A TIMELINE AND THEN, UH, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK HARD TO, TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO FUND IT. SO, BUT, UH, OTHER THAN THAT I'M VERY SATISFIED. SO, DO I HAVE A MOTION? OH, MAY I MAKE SOME COMMENTS? I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA HAVE TO TAKE SOME TIME. I HAD TO ORGANIZE, WRITE MY THOUGHTS DOWN 'CAUSE I WAS NOT ORGANIZED LAST TIME, SO I'M GONNA JUST READ SOME THINGS. UM, FOR THE RECORD, I THINK IT HAS TO BE CLEAR THAT THERE IS NO AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL THAT CALLS FOR 30% OF MEALS TAX COLLECTED IN THE CORRIDOR ORDER TO BE PAID TO THE TOWN. UH, THE AGREEMENT WITH THE TOWN VERY [02:15:01] SPECIFICALLY USES THE TERM THE EQUIVALENT OF 30% WHENEVER, AND FOR WHATEVER REASON THAT MEALS TAX REVENUE ITSELF WAS CHANNELED TO PAY THE SEPARATE EQUIVALENT OF 30% TO THE TOWN. I BELIEVE IT WAS A DISSERVICE TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHETHER ONE HAS THE OPINION THAT THE MEALS TAX SHOULD GO SOLELY TO PUBLIC SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS, OR MAY LEGITIMATELY BE USED TO PAY THE DEBTS OF THE SCHOOL CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. AS IS THE OPINION OF SOME PEOPLE, UH, SOME COLLEAGUES, ALL THE FUNDS SHOULD HAVE AT ALL TIMES BEEN GOING TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS. THE SECOND POINT I'D LIKE TO MAKE IS THAT THE COUNTY OF WARREN, ITS TAXPAYERS ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SOURCE OF FUNDS FOR WARREN COUNTY PUBLIC SCHOOLS. IT MAKES NO DIFFERENCE IF IT IS A DEBT PAYMENT OR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT. WARREN COUNTY TAXPAYERS PAY IT. THE QUESTION HERE BECOMES WHAT DOES THE REFERENDUM SAY LITERALLY? AND HOW ARE THE SCHOOL'S CAPITAL PROJECTS FUNDED? NOT WITHSTANDING AND AND AN APPRECIATION FOR MR. CARTER'S RESEARCH. THE REFERENDUM READS THAT THE REVENUES COLLECTED FROM THE TAX TO BE USED SOLELY FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. SO I WANT TO JUST TALK ABOUT THE IDEA OF FUNGIBILITY OVER TIME, BOTH DEBT AND CAPITAL PROJECTS HAVE TO BE FUNDED FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM AND THE MONEY COMES THROUGH THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT. THAT'S THE WAY IT FLOWS. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, THE VISIBILITY OF FUND FLOW IS SIMPLER. IF THE MEALS TAX MONEY WENT STRAIGHT TO A SCHOOLS TO SUPPORT A LONG-TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN, THEN THE FUNDS THAT THE COUNTY DOES NOT INEVITABLY SPEND ON SCHOOLS CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL BE FREE TO APPLY TO THE DEBT SERVICE. IT'S, IT'S, IT'S ALL PAID BY THE TAXPAYER. THERE'S A REFERENDUM THAT SAYS THAT THEY'LL BE USED SOLELY FOR PUBLIC SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS. THERE ARE NEWSPAPER EDITORIALS THAT SAY IT WILL BE USED TO PAY DEBT SERVICE. BUT THE REFERENDUM SAID THAT, I DON'T WANNA SPLIT THAT HERE TOO MUCH BECAUSE I THINK THE MONEY ALL COMES FROM THE TAXPAYER. UM, SO THE FUNDS, THE, THE, THE, THE COUNTY GENERAL FUND DOES NOT, UH, I SAID THAT, I'M SORRY. INEVITABLY SPEND ON SCHOOLS CAPITAL PROJECTS WILL BE FREED TO APPLY TO APPLY TO DEBT SERVICE. SO IT'S NOT REALLY LIKE IF, IF WE MADE A STRAIGHT LINE OF THE MEALS TAX TO A SCHOOL'S CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECT BUDGET OR, OR FUND, THAT WE'D HAVE A BIG HOLE IN OUR BUDGET, WHICH WE NOW DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY FOR BECAUSE WHAT WE'VE ALREADY BEEN DOING IS SPENDING THAT MONEY ON CAPITAL PROJECTS THAT THE SCHOOLS NEED. THE DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT, UM, I'M SORRY, UM, THE, THE EITHER WAY BOTH ARE PAID. IF MEALS TAX PER THE LANGUAGE OF THE REFERENDUM GOES TO SCHOOL CAPITAL PROJECTS, THAT WOULD BE A HIGHER AMOUNT TO START. I, I UNDERSTAND THAT. BUT THIS MOU WILL BE YEAR TO YEAR. AND IF IT WERE TO BECOME APPARENT THAT EXCESS, THAT THAT FUNDS IN EXCESS OF THOSE REQUIRED TO SUPPORT A RESPONSIBLE LONG-TERM CAPITAL PLAN FOR THE SCHOOL'S DIVISION WAS INVOLVED. THIS BOARD, BECAUSE THIS MOU IS RENEWED YEAR TO YEAR COULD TRANSPARENTLY REVISIT THE MATTER AND DIRECT ANY OVERFLOW DIRECTLY TO DEBT PAYMENT. SO I THINK THE MAJOR CHANGE THIS WOULD REPRESENT IS THAT THE, THE, THE SCHOOL'S DIVISION WOULD HAVE A REGULARIZED SERVICE OF FUNDS, SOURCE OF FUNDS FLOW TO NORMALIZE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLANNING. THE COUNTY WOULD NO LONGER BE DISPENSING FUNDS FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS ON WHAT FRANKLY HAS BEEN A HIT OR MISS. OFTEN EMERGENCY APPROPRIATION TO FIX BROKEN EQUIPMENT OR FAILING ROOFS OR DIRECTLY DEPEND ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS YEAR TO YEAR TO MAKE DECISIONS ABOUT LONG TERM CAPITAL PROJECT NEEDS AT THE SCHOOLS BASED ON SHORT TERM AVERSION TO RAISING TAXES. WE ALL HAVE AN AVERSION TO RAISING TAXES WHEN WE'RE IN THE MOMENT. LIKE, UH, 2 MILLION FOR A ROOF. UH, HOW MANY CENTS TAX IS THAT? MM, NOT GONNA DO THAT. SO I THINK THE STATE OF AFFAIRS THE SCHOOL'S DIVISION IS IN NOW IS THE RESULT OF THIS KIND OF HAPHAZARD TREATMENT OF CAPITAL PROJECT FUNDING. AGAIN, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER, THE CITIZEN IS PAYING WHAT WE ARE CONSIDERING, I THINK IS WHAT THE MOST DIRECT AND RELIABLE WAY TO GET THE JOB DONE IS. THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME TO HAVE ALL THAT TIME. UM, WELL, I THINK IS YOU, [02:20:01] YOU WERE A FORMER MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE, THE JOINT BUILDING COMMITTEE. I THINK THAT HAS, UM, WORKED WELL FOR MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD AND THE SCHOOL BOARD TO GET TOGETHER. UM, WE HAVE PRIORITIZED THE LIST. I THINK YOU SAW THAT LIST LAST YEAR. UM, I, AND I THINK THAT COMMITTEE HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL TO KEEP BOTH BOARDS AWARE OF WHAT THE NEEDS ARE, BE INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS. AND I, AT THIS POINT, I THINK IT'S JUST A MATTER OF, UM, YOU KNOW, THE CARRYOVER MONEY BEING DEDICATED AND THAT'S NEXT ON OUR LIST. AND THEM HAVING A, A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT BUDGET LINE WHERE THEY REQUEST A NUMBER. IT'S LIKE ANY OTHER, UH, LINE ON ANY OF OUR DEPARTMENTS, IT'S GONNA BE NEGOTIATED. BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, PERSONALLY, I, I SEE WHERE THAT WOULD BE A BENEFIT. UM, 'CAUSE THE DEBT SERVICE HAS TO BE PAID THAT THAT IS FOR CERTAIN, THAT'S A NUMBER ONE. UM, MR. CARTER, YOU ACT LIKE YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING. SO I THINK, AND LIKE IN AGREEMENT THAT THE REFERENDUM SAID IT HAD TO GO TO CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS LONG TERM. AND I THINK THAT'S WHERE WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION. TO ME, A LONG TERM CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS A BRAND NEW SCHOOL AND THAT'S WHERE THAT MONEY'S GONE. AND I THINK IN YEARS PAST THERE WAS A MAYBE A CIP ACCOUNT SET UP, WHICH TOOK INTO, UH, WHEN THERE'S A NEW CHILLER OR ROOF OR WHATEVER. AND WE WERE ABLE TO DO THAT TOO. AND I THINK ALSO IN CONJUNCTION BY GIVEN, WHICH I THINK IS THE NEXT MOU, GIVEN THE, UH, SCHOOLS', THE CARRYOVER MONEY, UH, AND, AND, AND IT DIDN'T ALWAYS GO TO A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. I SAW SOMETHING FROM LIKE 2010 WHERE I THINK THE STATE GAVE HIM BACK A MILLION DOLLARS AND THEY DIDN'T NECESSARILY PUT IN CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS, BUT I THINK IT WAS TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL STAFF AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE. UM, AND I THINK IT'S KEY. AND THAT'S ANOTHER THING ON THE LIST ALONG WITH THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY IS WE NEED TO, AND I DON'T KNOW WHEN YOU ALL LOOKED AT IT LAST, BUT WE USED TO LOOK AT OUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN EVERY YEAR AND WE RANK 'EM AND WE KNOW THINGS WERE COMING DOWN THE PIKE. AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE SCHOOL'S DOING THAT, BUT THEY NEED TO DO THAT AS WELL. SO, LIKE I SAID, IF THEY HAD HAVE LOOKED AT IT AND I NOT BLAMED ANYBODY AND LOOKED AT, AND HOPEFULLY THEY'LL DO AN INVENTORY AND I THINK THEY DO THAT. IF THEY HAD HAVE LOOKED AND SAW THAT HILDE J BARBER HAD A 29-YEAR-OLD CHILLER AND THE AVERAGE LIFESPAN IS 23 TO 25, IT WOULD BE, HEY, WE NEED TO START PLANNING FOR THIS. AS OPPOSED TO IT GOES OUT, THEN WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY. SO IT'S ALL ABOUT PLANNING AND STUFF. SO I'M OKAY. AND THAT, THAT MAY BE SOMETHING TOO THAT TO LOOK AT WHEN WE GET OUR AUDITS BACK TO SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE CAN PUT IN A, PROBABLY, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'D BE RESTRICTED OR UNRESTRICTED FUND BALANCE. WE CAN PUT AWAY SO MUCH MONEY EACH YEAR AND THAT CAN BE DRAWN ON WHEN THEY NEED A CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT. UM, AND AS FAR AS THE, LET'S SEE, WHAT ELSE WAS IT WITH THAT? BUT YEAH, THAT WOULD BE THE WAY TO GO THERE. BUT THE OTHER THING WAS, UM, IN TRYING TO DO A LITTLE BIT OF RESEARCH, BUT I THINK YOU'RE RIGHT, CORRECT DR. JAMESON, THAT THE TOWN'S 30% SHOULD NOT COME OUTTA THE MEALS TAX. AND I KNOW FOR A LONG TIME IT DIDN'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THINGS CHANGED OR NOT, BUT IT SHOULD NOT COME OUTTA THE MEAL TAX AND WE ALWAYS HAD TO FIND IT FROM THE, UH, FROM GENERAL REVENUES. SO I DON'T KNOW. AND I'VE SPOKEN, I GUESS WITH, UH, FINANCE, UM, AND AGAIN, GOING BACK 20 YEARS TAKES A LOT OF TIME, ESPECIALLY WITH ALL THAT THE FINANCE DIRECTOR HAS ON HER PLATE. BUT THOSE ARE THINGS TO LOOK AT AND GO FROM THERE. WELL, WHEN I CAME ON THE BOARD, THE NEW SCHOOLS AND EVERYTHING, WHICH WE NEEDED, THE RENOVATIONS WERE NEEDED, THE NEW BUILDINGS WERE NEEDED, BUT THEY COST. UM, AND I THINK WE WERE SOMEWHERE A HUNDRED FORTY FIVE, A HUNDRED FIFTY. AND JUST IN THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON THE BOARD, WE'VE GOT IT DOWN IN THE 90 MILLIONS. SO WE HAVE BEEN USING THE MONEY APPROPRIATELY. UM, IT'S, IT'S JUST A MATTER OF FIGURING OUT THAT BUDGET LINE AND, AND WHERE WE CAN HIT THAT COMFORT ZONE OF HAVING THAT RAINY DAY FUND. MR. STAN MEYER, DID YOU WANNA SAY ANYTHING? I, I AGREE WITH DR. JAMESON THAT THE, THE MONEY'S FUNGIBLE. IT, IT ALL COMES [02:25:01] FROM THE SAME PLACE EVENTUALLY. ABSOLUTELY. WHETHER YOU PUT IT IN A PIGGY BANK A LITTLE BIT EACH YEAR AND THEN PULL IT OUT WHEN YOU NEED IT OR, OR OTHERWISE IT, YOU HAVE TO SCRAMBLE WHEN THERE'S AN ISSUE AND, BUT IT STILL COMES, IT STILL COMES FROM THE SAME POT AT THE END OF THE DAY. SO PART, PART OF ME FEELS LIKE THIS IS SEMANTICS. UM, I'M FINE WITH THE MEMO AS IT IS, ALTHOUGH IT, IT DOES FEEL A LITTLE WATERED DOWN FROM THE PRIOR VERSION. UM, SOME OF THE, SOME OF THE SHELLS HAVE BECOME MAY TYPE THINGS. UM, BUT UM, OVERALL WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA BE PAYING THESE, THESE COSTS EITHER WAY. UM, UH, WITH REGARD TO MR. CARTER'S COMMENT THAT TO HIM AT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT IS A, IS A NEW SCHOOL. I I THINK THAT'S POTENTIALLY TRUE, BUT WHATEVER GOES INTO THIS, UH, THIS SET ASIDE WOULD BE JUST A SMALL DOWN PAYMENT TOWARD THAT IN THE FUTURE, OBVIOUSLY. BUT, UH, I, I THINK CIP, UH, PROJECTS, UH, FOR REPAIRING CHILLERS OR WHATEVER NOT ARE ALSO WITHIN THE SCOPE OF THIS, I WOULD THINK MM-HMM . UM, AND UH, THAT'S REALLY ALL I'D SAY. ALRIGHT. IS THERE A MOTION? I MIGHT, UNLESS YOU WANNA SAY SOMETHING? WELL, I'LL DO THE MOTION, BUT I, I MIGHT WOULD ADD THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, IT DOES ALL COME OUTTA ONE POT. I WOULD AGREE WITH THAT. BUT THERE'S NEVER BEEN A TIME THAT WE'VE TAKEN IN MORE MEALS TAX THAN WE'VE SPENT IN DEBT SERVICE. SO, UM, I JUST WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR THAT WE DIDN'T TAKE MEALS TAX MONEY AND SPEND IT AT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT OR GIVE IT TO THE TOWN. SO WE'VE ALWAYS SPENT MORE, LITERALLY, WE'VE SPENT MORE THAN WE'VE TAKEN IN ALL. IF I COULD JUST MAKE A SMALL ADDENDUM OR ATTACK ON TO YOUR, TO YOUR COMMENT. UM, NOT ALL DEBT IS SCHOOL'S DEBT. SO, SO THE DELINEATION OF, YOU KNOW, DOLLARS THAT GO JUST TO SCHOOL DEBT VERSUS DOLLARS THAT GO TO DEBT, THAT'S NOT SCHOOLS. RIVERMONT FIRE DEPARTMENT FOR EXAMPLE. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE, THE, THE TRACING OF LINES OF MONEY FLOW FROM, FROM THIS REFERENDUM REVENUE INTO PARTICULAR DEBT INSTRUMENTS, UH, IS, IS MISSING. IT'S LACKING. SO WE'RE JUST ALL, WHAT WOULD YOU THINK THE PERCENTAGE OF OUR DEBT IS FOR THE FULL GENERAL? WELL, YEAH, I KNOW YOU'RE MAKING A A YOU'RE MAKING IT A BULK, I UNDERSTAND YOUR ARGUMENT. IT'S A BULK ARGUMENT. YEAH. IF IF HALF OF IT IS, IT'S THE POINT, THE POINT IS THAT THAT IF, IF, TO THE EXTENT THAT THAT THAT ISN'T DELINEATED OUT, THEN YOU DON'T REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT, YOU KNOW, IF A DOLLAR IS, IS REALLY SHOULD ONLY BE SPENT 80 CENTS ON THE DEBT OR 'CAUSE 20 CENTS IS SOMETHING ELSE, OR IT'S 10 CENTS OR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW. UM, THAT IS A, THAT IS A, UH, A, A THING SO TO SPEAK, AS TO LOT NOT BEING ABLE TO SEE AS CLEARLY AS MUCH AS WOULD BE PREFERABLE. UM, THE, THE TRACING OF, OF ALL THAT. UM, I THINK IT'D BE VERY EASY TO THE, TO SHOW WHERE THE DEBT'S GOING. YOU KNOW, I KNOW THE TWO NEW HIGH SCHOOLS WERE 84 MILLION OR SO. UM, THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, WELL, LET'S SEE, THE HIGH OLD HIGH SCHOOL WAS LIKE 17, I THINK THE MIDDLE SCHOOL, THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING WAS SEVEN. SO I THINK DAVENPORT HAS THAT AND THEY CAN BREAK IT OUT. 'CAUSE I THINK THEY HELP US OUT AND KEEP TRACK OF THAT. SO YOU COULD LOOK AND SEE HOW MUCH IS ACTUALLY SCHOOL, HOW MUCH IS OTHER STUFF. AND I KNOW I'M RELATIVELY SURE THAT IT'S MORE THAN 1.2 MILLION JUST FOR SCHOOL DEBT. OH YEAH. I MEAN THAT, THAT'S NOT, AS I SAID, IT'S HIS GENERAL POINT WAS WAS RIGHT. UM, I WILL, UM, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAKE THE MOTION, UM, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING MEALS TAX WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD SUCH AND WITH SUCH CHANGES APPROVED BY COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AND COMPENSATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. SECOND ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. DR. JAMESON AYE. MR. HENRY AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MR. SANDMEYER? AYE. LAST [K.4. Memorandum of Understanding - Carryover Funds (WCSB)] ONE. MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING CARRYOVER FUNDS. I'M NOT REALLY SURE WHAT DID HAPPENED HERE. I THOUGHT I WAS, I WAS MAKING A CASE THAT YOU ALL ARE DISAGREEING WITH AND WE ALL VOTED. AYE . THE FINAL MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING IS YOU ALL KIND OF SPOKE TO IT EARLIER. UM, ANY UNSPENT FUNDS AT THE END OF THE YEAR, UM, WOULD GO BACK TO THE SCHOOLS. UM, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO USE IT AS PART OF THEIR SCHOOL CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. UM, AND THIS IS DETAILING OUT WHAT WOULD BE INCLUDED, UM, UNDER THAT SCHOOL EMPLOY CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PLAN. ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSIONS ON THIS? I TAKE A MOTION. YOU HAVE NO QUESTIONS? NO PROBLEM. [02:30:01] I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE MEMORANDUM OF UNDERSTANDING CARRY OVER FUNDS WITH THE WARREN COUNTY SCHOOL BOARD WITH SUCH CHANGES AS ARE APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR IN CONSULTATION WITH THE COUNTY ATTORNEY. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HENDERSON. MR. STANIER? AYE. MR. CARTER? AYE. MADAM CHAIR? AYE. MR. HENRY? AYE. DR. JAM? AYE. ALL RIGHT. [E. Presentation - Warren County Sheriff’s Office Recruitment and Retention] I KNOW YOU, YOU WISH THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE WHAT YOU HAD TO MAKE YOU LATE, BUT WE'RE GRATEFUL YOU HUNG AROUND. OH, I'M GOOD. I DO APOLOGIZE FOR ALL OF YOU. IT'S BEEN A DAY THAT I DIDN'T EXPECT TODAY. YEAH, THAT'S FOR SURE. ACTUALLY THE LAST COUPLE WEEKS I COULD PROBABLY SAY THAT. UM, I'M HERE UNEXPECTEDLY. UM, I KNOW I'M ON THE AGENDA AND I I THANK YOU CHAIR FOR THAT. BUT, UM, THIS IS KIND OF CREPT UP ON ME A LITTLE BIT, I WILL TELL YOU. UM, BUT THIS PRESENTATION IS GONNA BE ABOUT RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. UM, WE'VE HAD SOME, A COUPLE SURPRISING, A COUPLE NOT SO SURPRISING DEPARTURES IN THE LAST 60 DAYS THAT HAS KIND OF PUT ME IN THIS POSITION. AND I TRULY BELIEVE IN THE BUDGET PROCESS OF ASKING FOR WHAT I NEED AND NOT THE WANTS AND GOING THROUGH IT. AND I, I DO, I I LIKE THE BUDGET PROCESS. I ENJOY DOING IT. I HAVE NOT BEEN IN FRONT OF YOU, YOU KNOW, BEGGING FOR A LOT OF EXTRA MONEY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT I DO FEEL THIS CREPT ON UP ON ME AND I THINK IT IS, UM, AN EMERGENCY SITUATION THAT I THINK WE NEED TO ACT ON. AND SO I DO WANT TO PRESENT THIS TO YOU AND I WILL TRY TO NOT BE, UM, LONG-WINDED SO WE CAN ALL GET OUT OF HERE. OKAY. SO STAFFING CHALLENGES, UM, BEGAN EMERGING NATIONALLY FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT. AND I WOULD LIKE TO START THERE AROUND 2014. AND IT SLOWLY WAS DEGRADING THEN 2020 HIT AND MORE EVENTS HAPPENED AND IT BECAME EVEN MORE CHALLENGING AT THAT TIME. SO BETWEEN 20 AND 21, WE HAD THE MICHAEL BROWN. WELL, FIRST IN 2014 WE HAD THE MICHAEL BROWN INCIDENT IN FERGUSON, WHICH STARTED SOME OF THE ANTI-POLICING MOVEMENT. AND THEN WHEN WE HIT 2020, WE HAD THE GEORGE FLOYD INCIDENT AND THE DE DEFUND THE POLICING, UM, MOVEMENT. UM, AND THEN COVID HIT. AND SO WITH ALL OF THOSE THINGS HITTING IN THAT PERIOD OF TIME, THE APPLICANT POOL, IT HAS ALMOST DRIED UP THE LAST TIME THAT WE JUST DID, UM, TESTING. SO WE DO A WRITTEN TEST, WE DO PHYSICAL AGILITY. UM, WE STARTED WITH 10. WE ENDED WITH SIX PASSING, AND WE WERE ABLE TO HIRE TWO BACK IN THE DAY. AND I'D LIKE TO SAY BACK IN THE DAY, 2014 OR EVEN BEFORE, UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THAT. DON'T POWER OFF. WHAT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHAT'S POWERING OFF. I THINK IT'S WAS TRYING TO GO TO SLEEP . I, I GUESS I AT FOUR NOW. IT'S, THAT GUY NEEDS TO DON'T POWER OFF. YOU GOT IT. I'M GONNA KEEP ON TALKING WHEN YOU DO THAT . BUT BACK IN THE DAY, UM, I WILL TELL YOU THAT OUR APPLICANT POOL AND THOSE THAT WANTED TO GET INTO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT CAREER, WE WOULD HAVE, I MEAN, IT WASN'T ANYTHING TO HAVE 50 OR 60 TESTING. AND THAT IS WHEN WE WENT TO COMPANY ONE AND USED THEIR BIG ROOM AND DID TESTING UP THERE. UM, WE CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE TO DO THAT NOW, UNFORTUNATELY. UM, BUT WE'RE REALLY FILLING THE CRUNCH OF THAT. AND I, I CAN'T SAY IT'S ANYTHING THAT WARREN COUNTY HAS DONE, BUT CONSISTENTLY, I BELIEVE THAT WARREN COUNTY IS A, A TRAINING GROUND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE. AND I'M NOT SAYING IT'S JUST LAW ENFORCEMENT, BUT IT'S OUR EMS, FIREFIGHTERS, DOCTORS, NURSES, UM, IT JUST SEEMS THAT COME HERE 'CAUSE WE'RE ALWAYS HIRING AND GET YOUR TRAINING AND EDUCATION THAT YOU NEED AND THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE FOR A BETTER OPPORTUNITY. UH, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY, AND I DON'T KNOW THE MAGIC ANSWER TO THIS. I WISH I DID. I WISH I HAD A WAND, UM, TO THIS. BUT WE NEED TO CHANGE THAT. WE NEED TO FIND DIFFERENT WAYS TO, UM, GET PEOPLE TO WANT TO COME HERE OVER ANOTHER AGENCY. UH, I HAVE THE SAME STARTING RATE THAT FRONT ROW HAS IN FREDERICK COUNTY HAS WINCHESTER CLARK, AND, AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, THAT WE CAN'T KEEP ON CHASING THAT STARTING DOLLAR. SO [02:35:01] WHEN I FIXED THE COMPACTION ISSUE, IT WASN'T ABOUT CHANGING THE STARTING SALARY, IT WAS ABOUT FIXING THE COMPACTION IN THE UPPER TIERS BECAUSE WE HAD DEPUTY THREES MAKING MORE THAN MASTER DEPUTIES OR SERGEANTS AND IT, IT JUST KEPT ON GOING. SO WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT SOMETHING AS TO IF WE'RE OFFERING THE SAME THINGS IN OUR AGENCIES AS THESE OTHER AGENCIES, WHAT'S GONNA SET US APART THAT PEOPLE WANNA COME TO WARREN COUNTY. UM, I KNOW I, I SEE IT EVERY DAY ON SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, THAT WARREN COUNTY'S A S**T SHOW, PARDON MY LANGUAGE. BUT THAT IS AN ENTICING FOR PEOPLE TO WANNA COME TO WORK HERE. AND ONE OF THE REASONS THAT I DECIDED TO RUN FOR SHERIFF IS THAT I WAS TIRED OF BEING THE LAUGHINGSTOCK OF WARREN COUNTY. WE CAN BE BETTER. WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE CAN BE BETTER. AND I TRULY FEEL THAT TODAY WE ARE BETTER. WHEN I CAME ON BOARD, WE HAD 25, 26, UH, VACANCIES AT THE TIME, AND I'VE BEEN BATTLING FOR TWO AND A HALF YEARS TO GET THOSE POSITIONS FILLED. AND, AND IT'S BEEN HARD. UM, BUT WE WERE GETTING DOWN, I WAS ADAMANT ABOUT ASKING FOR THOSE FIVE PAUSE POSITIONS BACK BECAUSE I, WE WERE AT EIGHT VACANCIES AT THE TIME, AND WE HAD GONE FROM 26 TO EIGHT. I HAD NO DOUBT THAT WE CAN FILL THOSE EIGHT. AND THEN IN THE LAST 60 DAYS, YOU KNOW, WITH DIFFERENT, A VARIETY OF DIFFERENT REASONS, UM, WE'VE LOST SEVEN AND AND THAT'S A HARD HIT FOR ME. UM, IT IS, AND IT'S NOT JUST, IT'S NOT JUST PAY. UM, A COUPLE OF THEM ARE, THERE'S BEEN SOME LIFE'S CHANGES IN SOME OF THE STAFF THAT THEY NEED TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT. TWO DID GO FEDERAL. UM, WE HAD ONE THAT WENT TO MANASA CITY, UM, FOR A HIGHER SALARY. WE HAD ONE THAT HAD LIFE CHANGES PERSONALLY, WHICH I'M PRETTY HAPPY ABOUT. UM, EXPECTING HIS FIRST CHILD AND HE LIVED IN MARTINSBURG, WHICH IS AN HOUR AWAY. SO YOU WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT AND YOU'RE PUTTING TACKING ON AN HOUR BEFORE, AN HOUR AFTER. THAT'S A 14 HOUR DAY. AND WITH A NEW BABY, HE WANTED TO GET SOMETHING CLOSER TO TOWN, SO HE WENT TO BERKELEY COUNTY. UM, SO DIFFERENT REASONS, BUT JUST THE SAME. IT HITS HARD. UM, SO WE GOTTA KIND OF FIGURE THIS OUT SO WE CAN'T KEEP ON DOING WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE IS. UM, LET ME CHANGE MY LITTLE PAGE HERE REAL QUICK. UM, WHICH WINCHESTER POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THEY'RE ACTIVELY RECRUITING. THEY HAVE A $10,000 SIGN ON BONUS FOR CERTIFIED OFFICERS, UM, INDICATING COMPETITION FOR QUALIFIED APPLICANTS. FRONT ROYAL POLICE DEPARTMENT, CURRENTLY ADVERTISING FOR CERTIFIED POSITIONS, SALARIES APPROXIMATELY 57 TO 70. AND WARREN COUNTY IS IN THE SAME LABOR MARKET AS LOUDOUN COUNTY. I KNOW WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH LOUDOUN COUNTY, BUT IT IS, IT'S, IT'S RIGHT THERE. IT IT 20 MILES, 25, 30 MILES AND, AND YOU'RE THERE. UM, THEY'RE, UM, THEY EARN 15 TO $30,000 MORE ANNUALLY. RURAL AGENCIES INVEST HEAVILY IN, IN ACADEMY TRAINING AND PUTTING PEOPLE THROUGH THE ACADEMY FOR 18 WEEKS AND THEN COMING OUT FOR 13 OR THREE MONTHS WITH FTO, AND THEN THEY'RE LEAVING. WE JUST HAD A NEW RECRUIT THAT JUST, UM, GOT OFF OF FTO THREE WEEKS AGO, FOUR WEEKS AGO, AND HE IS GONNA GO TO FRONT ROYAL. UM, TO ME THAT, THAT'S UPSETTING TO ME. BUT HE'S GOING OVER THERE TO MAKE 57,000. I, I CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT. UM, WE DO HAVE A CONTRACT IN PLACE AND, UM, AND WE WILL, AND WE ARE RIGHT NOW GOING AFTER ANOTHER YOUNG LADY THAT WE SENT TO THE ACADEMY AND RIGHT AFTERWARDS, UM, QUIT. SHE HAD SOME FAMILY ISSUES GOING ON AND SHE JUST GOT SERVED TO, TO PAY BACK ON THAT CONTRACT. AND WE'LL DO THE SAME WITH, WITH THIS YOUNG MAN AS WELL. UM, SO WE GOTTA THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX A LITTLE BIT ON THIS. UM, WE CAN'T KEEP ON OFFERING THE SAME THINGS. SO WHEN THIS HAPPENED, I DID. I SENT AN EMAIL TO MY STAFF AND I WAS IMPLORING THEM. HELP ME COME UP WITH IDEAS ON KEEPING PEOPLE AND RECRUITING PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME. UM, I WOULD LIKE TO RECRUIT CERTIFIED DEPUTIES OFFICERS. I WOULD LIKE, WHETHER IT'S ANOTHER STATE ACROSS STATE LINES, THEY'VE MADE IT EASIER FOR THAT THEY CAN BE IN OPTION FIVE OR IT'S RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTY LINE OR IN OUR SAME COUNTY. I, I DON'T CARE. UM, WE NEED TO OFFER THEM SOMETHING BECAUSE WE'RE A GREAT PLACE TO WORK AND WE HAVE GREAT PEOPLE WORKING AT OUR AGENCY, BUT WE GOTTA FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT IS. AND I KNOW THAT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT, UM, IN RECENT YEARS ABOUT THE HEALTH INSURANCE BENEFIT ABOUT PAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, THROUGH RETIREMENT UNTIL SOCIAL SECURITY, THE, THE GAP YEARS. AND WE, WE TALK ABOUT A LOT AND IT'S A GREAT, IT'S A GREAT THING TO HAVE. NO OTHER AGENCY IS OFFERING IT. UM, [02:40:01] WE HAVE A COUPLE THAT ARE STILL GRANDFATHERED THROUGH THE COUNTY. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S STILL ON THE TABLE, BUT WE CERTAINLY WANNA ASK. WE CERTAINLY WANNA ASK TO SEE IF THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, WE CAN OFFER. SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE CURRENTLY. UM, I, I WAS BUDGETED FOR 73 POSITIONS AND I PAUSED FIVE, AND YOU ALL GAVE ME BACK TWO POSITIONS FOR THIS YEAR. SO I STILL HAVE THREE PAUSED OUT OF MY PEOPLE. I HAVE 54 FULL-TIME POSITIONS FILLED WITH 16 VACANCIES. THAT'S A HIGH PERCENTAGE. UM, I DO HAVE 10 PART-TIME DEPUTIES, WHICH IS OVER MY ALLOTTED AMOUNT. SO THIS YEAR YOU WILL SEE THAT MY PART-TIME DEPUTY SALARY LINE ITEM IS OVER BUDGET. UM, BUT THAT IS KIND OF WHAT WE'RE RELYING ON TO COVER OUR SCHOOLS AND OUR COURTS. THE COURTS THIS YEAR, GENERAL DISTRICT COURT ADDED A DAY TO THEIR DOCKETS, WHICH MEANS THAT WE ARE BRINGING IN THOSE PART-TIMERS A LITTLE BIT MORE. UH, THEY ARE SADDLED A LITTLE BIT WITH ONLY WORKING, BEING ABLE TO WORK 30 HOURS IN A WEEK. UM, SO IT IS, IT'S BEEN A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO ADD THAT EXTRA DOCKET TO OUR WEEK. UM, BUT WE'RE MAKING IT HAPPEN. SO IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS WHERE WE HAVE 60 VACANCIES. WHERE DO WE PULL PEOPLE TO COVER THE ROAD? I HAVE A FOUR DEPUTY MINIMUM FOR THE COUNTY. WE HAVE 217 SQUARE MILES AND IT TAKES A REALLY LONG TIME TO GET TO BENTONVILLE, TO APPLE MOUNTAIN OR TO ROCKLAND ROAD, OR ASHBY STATION, DALE AREA AND, AND BACK AND FORTH BROWNTOWN, GOONIE LOOP, UH, YOU NAME IT. AND I HAVE, WE, AT TIMES WE DO ESPECIALLY TIMES LIKE THIS, WE DO ONLY HAVE FOUR DEPUTIES ON THE ROAD TO HANDLE THOSE CALLS FOR SERVICE. UH, WE DO HAVE A, A LOT GOING ON HERE. LAST WEEK, IT, WE HAD TO BRING PEOPLE IN. WE HAD OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS TEAM. WE HAD OUR FULL, UM, DRUG TASK FORCE, NARCOTICS GROUP. UH, PLUS WE HAD THE SHIFT THAT WAS ON DUTY AND WE TOOK DOWN A MAJOR SUPPLIER OF DRUGS THAT WAS COMING INTO WARREN COUNTY AND POISONING OUR CITIZENS. UH, IT DID, UM, NOT GO AS PLANNED. HE DID NOT WANNA STOP FOR THE BLUE LIGHTS AND SIRENS. AND HE DID TAKE OFF AND TRY TO DUMP AS MANY DRUGS AS HE COULD. WE SPENT THREE DAYS SCARING THE, THE ROAD AND LOOKING AT THE VIDEO CAMERA TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE ALL OF THOSE DRUGS OFF THE SIDE OF THE ROAD THAT HE WAS THROWN OUT. IT DID, UM, IT WAS AT HIGH RATES OF SPEED AND HE WAS WANTED, HE HAD A WARRANT FOR, UM, DISTRIBUTION ALREADY, AND WE ENDED IT RIGHT BEFORE HE GOT INTO THE TOWN LIMITS OF STRASSBURG. AND IT, IT COULDN'T HAVE GONE BETTER AT THAT MOMENT. BUT THOSE THINGS HAPPEN AND WE HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE IN ORDER TO, TO TAKE PEOPLE LIKE THAT, THAT ARE COMING TO OUR COMMUNITY DOWN. UM, IT'S NOT ACCEPTABLE. UH, WE DO NOT WANT THOSE PEOPLE COMING IN HERE. WE DON'T WANT THE DRUGS IN HERE. WE DON'T WANT THE, UM, ICA CASES THAT WE WORK. WE DO NOT WANT THEM COMING HERE AND VICTIMIZING OUR CHILDREN. THERE'S A A LOT THAT GOES INTO IT. I CANNOT PULL FROM THE SCHOOLS, I CANNOT PULL FROM THE COURTS. WHERE DO I PULL FROM? AND THAT'S THE ONLY OTHER OPTION IS AN INVESTIGATION AND ON PATROL. AND I, I, I CAN'T SEE MYSELF EVER ALLOWING THREE, TWO DEPUTIES AT A TIME FOR A 12 HOUR SHIFT. I I JUST CAN'T. UM, I'LL GET OUT THERE MYSELF IF I HAVE TO AND I WILL. UM, SO I DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A, A LINE HERE ON WHAT HAPPENS, UM, WHEN WE DO HAVE A DEFICIT AND WE DON'T HAVE AS MANY DEPUTIES OUT THERE. UM, JUST SO THAT YOU'RE AWARE, MY DAY SHIFTS FOR PATROL HAVE EIGHT DEPUTIES ON IT. THERE'S SIX REGULAR, I SAY REGULAR DEPUTIES, THEY'RE ALL DEPUTIES. BUT WE HAVE TWO SPECIALIZED IN ANIMAL CONTROL ON EACH OF YOUR DAY SHIFTS. SO IT'S SIX PLUS TWO, TWO ANIMAL CONTROLS. AND ON OUR NIGHT SHIFT, UM, WHEN EVERYBODY IS THERE AND NOT IN TRAINING SICK OR ON VACATION, UM, AND WE'RE FULLY STAFFED. WE HAVE SIX, UM, REGULARLY. UM, SO WHEN IT GOES DOWN, WE'RE GONNA HAVE SLOWER RESPONSES AND, AND BACKUPS TO CALLS. WE ARE GONNA HAVE, UM, INCREASED OVERTIME TO PULL IN PEOPLE TO COVER THE SHIFTS. UM, FATIGUE MENTALLY AND PHYSICALLY IS GOING TO HAPPEN. UM, TRAINING SUFFERS. WE DO HAVE MANDATORY TRAINING, BUT IF WE DON'T HAVE ENOUGH PEOPLE ON THE ROAD, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO SAY NO. AND WE DO SAY NO. UH, REDUCED VISIBILITY. THAT IS ONE OF THE HIGHLIGHTS THAT I GET. A LOT OF PEOPLE TALK TO ME ABOUT THE NUMBER OF DEPUTIES THAT THEY SEE ON THE ROAD AND OUT IN OUR COMMUNITY. I DO THINK THAT IS IMPORTANT. WE MARKED EVERY SINGLE ONE OF OUR PATROL CRUISERS SO THAT PEOPLE KNOW WHO WE ARE, WHAT WE ARE, AND THEY, AND WE'RE APPROACHABLE. UM, AND THEN OF COURSE THE INCREASED LIABILITY AND DANGER, UM, THAT GOES WITH [02:45:01] FATIGUE AND ALSO NOT HAVE ENOUGH, UM, DEPUTIES ON THE ROAD. SO THIS IS WHERE WE'RE AT. I'M GONNA READ A LITTLE BIT, BUT, UM, ONE VACANCY DOESN'T SIMPLY MEAN ONE LESS EMPLOYEE. IT OFTEN CREATES A CHAIN REACTION THAT IMPACTS MORALE, PRODUCTIVITY, RECRUITMENT, RETENTION, AND THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WE CAN PROVIDE TO OUR CITIZENS. SO IT'S NOT SIMPLY A VACANCY PROBLEM. UM, WHEN WE DROP BELOW A SUSTAINABLE LEVEL, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN AND WE'RE GONNA END UP LOSING MORE PEOPLE. UNFORTUNATELY, THEY'RE GONNA GO FIND A DIFFERENT OPPORTUNITY WHERE MAYBE THEY DON'T HAVE TO RUN FROM CALL TO CALL. MAYBE THERE'S 10 HOUR SHIFTS INSTEAD OF 12. UM, MAYBE THEY'RE NOT HAVING TO WORK. YOU KNOW, THEY MORE THAN WHAT THEIR REGULARLY SCHEDULED DATES ARE. UM, ANY NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS. SO WHEN WE LOSE ONE EXPERIENCED EMPLOYEE, WE ALSO DON'T JUST LOSE A POSITION, WE LOSE ALL OF THAT TRAINING. WE PUT IN ALL, WE LOSE ALL OF THE INVESTMENT. WE PUT INTO 'EM ALL THE EXPERIENCE. RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A VERY YOUNG GROUP OF DEPUTIES. UM, I'M NOT SURE WHAT THE PERCENTAGE IS, BUT I OVERWHELMINGLY WE HAVE DEPUTIES BETWEEN THAT ZERO TO FOUR YEARS. UM, YOU DON'T KNOW EVERYTHING AT FOUR YEARS. YOU'RE STILL LEARNING AND GO TO DIFFERENT CALLS FOR SERVICE AND HANDLING DIFFERENT THINGS AT YEARS FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN WHERE YOU CAN REALLY START TO FEEL COMFORTABLE. UM, I HAVE DONE A LOT OF PROMOTIONS AND, AND SERGEANTS AND WE'RE GONNA GET TO A POINT WHERE I'M LIKE, DO I PUT A FOUR YEAR DEPUTY AS MY NEXT SERGEANT IN A LEADERSHIP POSITION? DO THEY HAVE ENOUGH, YOU KNOW, EXPERIENCE TO HANDLE THE JOB? I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. UM, SO THE GOAL IS TO NOT KEEP ON GOING IN THIS CIRCLE. I'M SORRY, COULD YOU READ WHAT'S IN THE CIRCLES? THE WHAT, WHAT'S IN THE CIRCLE CYCLE? LATEST IN THE CYCLE. OH, IS SAYS BREAK THE CYCLE. INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE, STRENGTHEN OUR TEAM AND PROTECT OUR COMMUNITY. READ THE CIRCLES. WE CAN'T SEE IT FROM HERE. YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHAT DO YOU THE INSIDE THE LITTLE SAY VACANCY. VACANCY. VACANCY OVER TIME. I CAN'T EVEN SEE ON MINE. HOLD ON. UH, RESIGNATION, BURNOUT AND FATIGUE. I THINK. YEAH. TAKE, I APOLOGIZE. I CAN'T SEE YOU. VACANCY LEADS TO OVERTIME, OVERTIME FOR OTHER PEOPLE. OVERTIME LEADS TO FATIGUE. FATIGUE LEADS TO BURNOUT. BURNOUT LEADS TO RESIGNATION. AND THEN THAT BACK TO VACANCY CREATES ANOTHER VACANCY. OKAY. WHICH IS ONLY TWICE. SORRY, I SHOULD HAVE HAD COPIES FOR Y'ALL AND I APOLOGIZE. MINE ON MY SCREEN IS REALLY LOW SO I CAN SEE THE WORDS ON THIS, SO I APOLOGIZE. SO I REACHED OUT, I WROTE AN EMAIL ASKING FOR HELP. AND I'M TELLING YOU, THEY CAME BACK. THEY CAME BACK AND I WASN'T EXPECTING, I MEAN, THEY CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY, NOT EVEN 12 HOURS HAD HAD ELAPSED AND I HAD EMAILS COMING IN. SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT, THAT THEY CAME UP WITH IS NIGHT SHIFT DIFFERENTIAL. SO OUR NIGHT SHIFT FOLKS WOULD GET LIKE AN EXTRA DOLLAR PER HOUR DURING THOSE HOURS IF THERE'S A SPLIT SHIFT AND THEY, THEY'RE MIDNIGHT TO OR NOON TO MIDNIGHT, THEY WOULD ONLY GET PAID THE DOLLAR DIFFERENTIAL FROM 6:00 PM TO MIDNIGHT. UM, OUR SHIFTS ARE SIX TO SIX OR OUR NIGHT SHIFT AND WHAT WE DO DIFFERENTIAL IS SIX 6:00 PM TO 6:00 AM SIGN ON BONUSES. UM, A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE DOING THAT. SO WE HAVE, UM, LOOKED INTO WHAT COULD WE OFFER. UM, WE WOULD DO SIGN ON BONUSES FOR CERTIFIED TO GET CERTIFIED SO THAT WE CAN GET THEM ON THE ROAD FASTER. THAT WOULD BE, UM, A BLESSING TO US. ACTUALLY. UM, AND THEN REFERRAL BONUSES. THIS IS WHERE WHEN WE JUST TALKED ABOUT THAT CYCLE AND BURNOUT AND FATIGUE AND THINGS ARE HAPPENING, THAT'S A TIME IN A DEPUTY'S LIFE THAT THEY'RE NOT PROMOTING THIS AGENCY AS THE BEST PLACE TO WORK. THEY'RE TIRED, THEY'RE DISGRUNTLED, THEY'RE WORKING. A LOT OF DAYS, THEY'RE AWAY FROM THEIR FAMILY. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT EVEN THINKING ABOUT BRINGING PEOPLE HERE. EVEN THOUGH IT WOULD HELP THE AGENCY AND IT WILL HELP THEM BALANCE THE WORK LIFE LOAD. IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY IN WHAT YOU'RE DOING, THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HAPPY PROMOTING THE AGENCY THAT WE ARE. SO REFERRAL BONUSES I THINK WOULD HELP US OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE LAW ENFORCEMENT, WE GO TO ALL THE TRAININGS, WE GO TO THE ACADEMY TOGETHER, WE TEACH, WE INSTRUCT AT THE ACADEMY AND WE DO THAT WITH OTHER AGENCIES. SO IF WE CAN GIVE A REFERRAL BONUS TO OUR, UM, DEPUTIES FOR BRINGING IN CERTIFIED DEPUTIES, I THINK THAT'S A WIN. UM, WE WOULD NOT PROVIDE, UM, THAT REFERRAL BONUS UNTIL THE INCOMING [02:50:01] DEPUTY HAS GONE THROUGH FTO AND IF THEY'RE CERTIFIED, IT IS A MODIFIED FTO BECAUSE THEY ARE CERTIFIED, THEY WOULD BE BASICALLY LEARNING WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, POLICIES AND PROCEDURES. THEY WOULD BE LEARNING THE COUNTY, UM, AND, AND THOSE TYPE OF THINGS. SO THAT REFERRAL BONUS WOULD NOT BE RECEIVED BY THE DEPUTY THAT REFERRED THEM UNTIL AFTER THEY LEFT FTO, UM, FAMILY BENEFITS GYM MEMBERSHIPS. IF WE COULD THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX, YOU KNOW, TO ONE OF THESE GYMS AND EVERYBODY SAYS, WELL, YOU GOT A, A GYM, YOU KNOW, AT, AT YOUR AGENCY. YES. AND I DO ALLOW, UM, MY DEPUTIES AND STAFF, ACTUALLY THE WHOLE STAFF, IF THEY'RE IN A DOWNTIME AND THEIR CALLS AREN'T STAFF, THAT IF YOU WANNA COME IN AND LIFT WEIGHTS, YOU KNOW, WITH YOUR SUPERVISOR'S APPROVAL, I ALLOW THAT ON ON DUTY. UM, THE LAST THING I WANT IS THEM TO WORK A 12 HOUR SHIFT AND THEN THEY'VE GOTTA GET THEIR WORKOUT INTO TO BE FIT AND HAVE WELLNESS AND THEY'RE SPENDING EVEN MORE TIME AWAY FROM THE FAMILY. HOWEVER, NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT OF MY STAFF LIVES IN FRONT ROYAL. SO ON THEIR OFF DAYS, IF THEY'RE WORKING FOUR ON, FOUR OFF ON THE FOUR OFF AND THEY LIVE IN, UM, SHENANDOAH COUNTY OR THEY LIVE IN FAKI OR THEY LIVE IN MARTINSBURG, THEY'RE NOT GONNA RUN TO THE AGENCY TO WORK OUT. SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE, YOU KNOW, MAYBE A GYM MEMBERSHIP FOR THE CERTIFIED AND, UM, COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS. UH, SERVICE BONUSES. THAT'S ANOTHER THING THAT A LOT OF AGENCIES DO THAT IF YOU STAY WITH WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU GET A BONUS. MAYBE THAT'S $2,500. YOU STAY FOR 10 YEARS AND MAYBE GET 3000 OR $3,500 15 YEARS, YOU GET SOMETHING. AND THAT 20 YEARS, 25. AND RIGHT NOW VRS WENT UP, I'M GRANDFATHERED IN. UM, FULL RETIREMENT FOR ME IS 25 YEARS. THE NEW DEPUTIES THAT ARE COMING IN, I THINK THAT CHANGED AROUND 2014 ISH. UH, THEY HAVE TO WORK 30 YEARS. UM, SO WE HAVE TO THINK THAT THE GOAL IS TO MAKE SUCCESSFUL DEPUTIES THAT STAY AT THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE FOR 30 YEARS. THAT I THINK THAT'S A GREAT GOAL AND WE DON'T SEE THAT VERY OFTEN. UM, FTO BENEFITS. SO FTO, IN ORDER TO GO THROUGH FT O, YOU NEED AN FTOA FIELD TRAINING OFFICER. AND FOR 12 WEEKS, FOR THREE MONTHS, OUR NEW RECRUITS ARE WITH DEPUTIES AND THEY ARE TRAINING THEM ON ALL OF THE POLICIES ON HOW TO RESPOND, HOW TO DO TRAFFIC STOPS, UM, SAFETY MEASURES, YOU KNOW, OFFICER SAFETY ISSUES. UM, THEY DO THAT FOR THREE MONTHS AND THEY DO IT WITHOUT ANY, ANY STIPEND. THEY DON'T DO IT WITH ANY EXTRA PAY OR ANYTHING. SO YOU HAVE DEPUTIES THAT AREN'T FTOS AND YOU HAVE DEPUTIES THAT ARE FTOS AND THE ONES THAT ARE FTOS, THEY WORK THEIR BUTT OFF. THEY HAVE SOMEONE WITH THEM FOR THOSE 12 HOUR SHIFTS AND THEY'RE CONSTANTLY TRAINING, PLUS DOING ALL THE PAPERWORK. 'CAUSE WE DO, UM, AT THE END OF THE SHIFT, WE HAVE A FULL DOR THAT THEY HAVE TO FILL OUT ON THE TRAINING FOR THAT DEPUTY ALONG WITH THE TRAINING OBJECTIVES AND SEEING WHAT THEY, THEY CAME UP. THEY HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, WORK A DOA, THEY HAVE TO HAVE SO MANY DUIS. UM, THERE'S DIFFERENT CALLS FOR SERVICE THAT THEY HAVE TO HANDLE IN ORDER TO GET OFF OF FTO. SO I WOULD LIKE TO BRING FTO BENEFITS TO THEM. I WHAT I BROUGHT FROM THE, UM, FRONT ROW POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHAT THEY DO IS THAT THEY DO GIVE ONE HOUR OF STRAIGHT TIME. IT'S NOT OVERTIME, BUT ONE HOUR STRAIGHT TIME WHEN YOU HAVE, WHEN YOU HAVE TO FTO SOMEONE. SO IF I'M F TING FOR 12, WELL USUALLY THEY'RE ASSIGNED EVERY THREE WEEKS AND FTO HAS THE SAME PERSON AND THEN THEY SWITCH. BUT IF THEY'RE DOING FT OI THINK EVERY DAY THEY SHOULD BE ABLE TO PUT ONE HOUR STRAIGHT TIME THAT THAT IS THEIR EXTRA COMPENSATION FOR DOING THE EXTRA DUTIES. THEY'RE NOT JUST HANDLING THE CALLS. 'CAUSE THESE RECRUITS HAVE TO GO TO CALLS FOR SERVICE AND THEY HAVE TO HANDLE THEM. UM, EVENTUALLY THEY HAVE TO DRIVE THE CRUISERS. ALL OF THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO GIVE THEM A BENEFIT FOR THAT. UM, TUITION ROOM REIMBURSEMENT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT THE COUNTY HAS DONE. I'M NOT SURE IF THAT GOT TAKEN OUT OF THE, THE BUDGET OR NOT. I DO THINK IT IS VERY VALUABLE. I HAVE THREE OR FOUR THAT ARE, UM, GETTING COLLEGE DEGREES AT THE MOMENT. UH, I THINK IT IS A GREAT, UM, OPTION. UM, I THINK RETENTION BONUSES SAME AS SERVICE BONUSES, THE DEFERRED COMPENSATION MATCH. IF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN DEFERRED COMPENSATION, IT WOULD BE NICE IF THE COUNTY MATCHED THAT. SO IF I'M PUTTING A HUNDRED DOLLARS A MONTH IN THIS DEFERRED COMPENSATION, IF YOU COULD MATCH IT AND PUT ANOTHER $50 OR A HUNDRED DOLLARS OR WHATEVER IT IS IN IT, THAT IS A HUGE BONUS. THAT IS A HUGE, UM, RETENTION AND RECRUITMENT TOOL THAT WE CAN USE. I BELIEVE THAT THEY USED TO DO IT BACK, BACK A LONG WAY BACK. I KNOW THAT THE SCHOOLS DID, WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE IN AUGUST OF 2000, THE SCHOOLS WERE OFFERING A, UM, A MATCHED, UM, DEFERRED COMPENSATION. UM, I THINK THAT'S AN OPTION. UH, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT PROGRAMS, UM, [02:55:01] WE DO HAVE THEM, WE DO GO TO WEEK LONG TRAININGS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. BUT MAYBE THE HIGHER LEVEL, YOU KNOW, UM, CHARLOTTESVILLE, UVA, THEY DO A LOT OF, UM, LEADERSHIP DEVELOPMENT. YOU HAVE THE SOUTHERN POLICE INSTITUTE AND GO TO THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICERS COURSE, UM, WHICH I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO DO WHILE I WAS AT FRONT ROYAL. UM, BUT IT COSTS MONEY AND THOSE ARE TRAININGS THAT COST, UM, THE AGENCY BETWEEN EIGHT AND $12,000. IT'S A THREE MONTH PROGRAM AND IT CAN BE VERY COSTLY. UM, CHIEF BENNO HAS TALKED ABOUT THE HOMEOWNER'S INCENTIVE FOR EMPLOYEES, UM, ABOUT GIVING INTEREST RATE BREAKS AND STUFF AND PARTNERING WITH, UM, BANKS AND SEEING WHAT THEY CAN DO JUST AS AN OPTION. UM, AND THEN JUST SPECIALTY PROGRAM DEVELOPMENT. UM, SO IF WE WANTED TO DO, WHICH MY HUSBAND WOULD KILL ME FOR SAYING THIS, BUT MOTOR CARRIER, YOU KNOW, INSPECTIONS, YOU KNOW, UM, OR, YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO LIFT OFF OUR, OUR DRONE PROGRAM, UM, DIFFERENT PROGRAMS THAT PEOPLE WILL HAVE AN INTEREST IN THAT WANT TO WANT TO BE A PART OF OUR AGENCY. SO WE PUT ROUGH NUMBERS TOGETHER IN TRYING TO FIGURE THIS OUT ON A COUPLE OF THE ONES THAT I REALLY LIKED THE MOST. I FORGOT, I DO WANNA GO BACK AND I'D BE REMISS THERE IS ONE THAT IS MISSING OFF OF HERE THAT I DID, UM, HAVE IN CAPITAL LETTERS IN BOLD IN THE EMAILS IS THAT, UM, EMPLOYEES WOULD LIKE THE COUNTY TO, UM, GO BACK TO GIVING TURKEYS OUT. AND WE DON'T DO THAT ANYMORE. AND I, I, AND I DO KNOW THAT SOME PEOPLE DIDN'T PICK 'EM UP, BUT MAYBE WE DON'T ORDER AS MUCH, BUT TURKEYS IS A BIG THING. THEY REMEMBER IT AND IT WAS A, UM, A, A PERK THAT THEY REALLY LIKED. AND SO I'D BE REMISS IF I DID NOT MENTION THAT AS PART OF THIS LIST. SO, UM, THERE'S A COUPLE THINGS THAT WE CAN DO. NUMBER ONE IS YOU ALL OUT OF THE, UM, BUDGET PROCESS GAVE US BACK THOSE TWO PAUSED POSITIONS. I AM AT A POSITION, I'M BACK TO 16 VACANCIES. I, I AM COMPETITIVE. I, I DO STRIVE TO TO WIN. UM, I DON'T THINK I'M GOING TO FILL 16 POSITIONS. UM, THIS YEAR. I WOULD LIKE WITH YOUR PERMISSION OF COURSE, UM, TO TAKE THOSE TWO PROPOSITIONS AND THE BENEFITS AND TAKE THAT MONEY TO PUT TOWARDS SOME, ALL SOMETHING TOWARDS THESE RECRUITMENT, RETENTION, UM, IDEAS. UH, I ALSO HAVE, UM, 60,000 IN CAREER DEVELOPMENT ROLLOVER THAT WE, AT THE END OF THE YEAR, WE NORMALLY JUST PUT THAT AGAINST, UM, THE SALARIES. BUT WE'VE HAD SOME VACANCIES, WE'LL HAVE SOME VACANCY SAVINGS. I WOULD LIKE TO ROLL THAT OVER FROM THIS FISCAL YEAR UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR. SO WITH THOSE TWO THINGS, UM, THAT'S $190,000 TO GET US STARTED. UM, SO I'M NOT ASKING FOR MONEY SORT OF, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THOSE TWO OPTIONS THAT WE CAN GET STARTED WITH THIS AND MAYBE SUPPLEMENT ANYTHING THAT, UM, YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN OR THINGS THAT YOU THINK THAT WOULD WORK, UM, FOR OUR RECRUITMENT AND OUR RETENTION. UM, ON THAT. SO THE EMPLOYEE, WELL LEMME TALK ABOUT THE OTHER ONE. I DIDN'T, I DON'T THINK IT WAS ON THAT OTHER LIST. ANOTHER GREAT OPTION ABOUT OUR HEALTH INSURANCE, AND I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THIS, THIS IS AN ANYTHING THAT I'VE DISCUSSED BEFORE, IS CAN WE, WITH OUR COMMUNICA E 9 1 1 COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS AND OUR, UM, PATROL, OUR CERTIFIED DEPUTIES PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE INSURANCE ON THE 250 DEDUCTIBLE. UM, IT'S $81 PER PAY PERIOD. SO 24 TIMES. SO IT'D BE 81 TIMES TWO, $162 CAN WE PAY FOR THE EMPLOYEE? THAT'S IT. INSURANCE COSTS ARE, I MEAN, YOU, YOU HEAR IT OVER AND OVER, THEY KEEP ON GOING UP. CAN WE PAY THE EMPLOYEE ONLY PRICE AND PUT THAT TOWARDS THE INSURANCE FOR OUR, OUR FOLKS, UM, FOR THE FIRST YEAR, IF WE DID IT RIGHT NOW ON PEOPLE WHO ARE SIGNED UP FOR OUR INSURANCE, WE, THE ENROLLMENT PERIOD IS OVER. SO WHATEVER THEY ARE RIGHT NOW, IT WOULD COST US $54,757 OUT OF THAT ONE 90. I THINK THAT IS A HUGE BONUS ON THAT NEXT YEAR. YOU KNOW, THAT'S A LITTLE TOUGHER. MAYBE WE ARE UP TO 70 EMPLOYEES. UM, PERHAPS, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE, INSTEAD OF BEING IN THE HIGH DEDUCTIBLE A THOUSAND DOLLARS DEDUCTIBLE, THEY'RE LIKE, OH, IF I'M GETTING EMPLOYEE PAID THAT $81, MAYBE I'LL GO TO THE 250 [03:00:01] OR VICE VERSA, I GUESS. I DON'T KNOW. AND I DON'T HAVE THOSE FORMS IN FRONT OF ME. UM, BUT THEY MIGHT MOVE BETTER FOR THEIR FAMILY OR MAYBE THEY'RE SPLITTING WITH THEIR SPOUSE AND THEY'LL MOVE THEIR SPOUSE AND KIDS OVER TO GET, YOU KNOW, THE FAMILY PLAN AND HAVE $81. HOWEVER THEY DO. UM, IT'LL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN THAT, BUT I THINK THAT'S A VIABLE OPTION. IF I CAN GO TO AN AGENCY AND HAVE MORE PAYCHECK EVERY MONTH, I'D DO IT. UM, SO I THINK THAT IS A REALLY GOOD OPTION THAT I DIDN'T GET TO TALK ABOUT. THE NIGHT DIFFERENTIAL, IF WE DO THE NIGHT SHIFT PEOPLE AND THE SWING SHIFTS, AND I BELIEVE THAT IS FOR BOTH DISPATCH AND PATROL, IT WOULD COST AROUND 48,000 FOR THAT. THE SIGN-ON BONUS, I DON'T KNOW WHERE I HAVE IT ON HERE. DANA, HELP ME WITH THIS. SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME AS I SCROLL AND IT'S NOT ON THIS ONE HOLD ON. THE SIGN ON BONUS. I KNOW THAT WE HAD A, I I THINK SOMETHING CHANGED HERE, BUT IT'S AT DIFFERENT LEVELS. SO, UM, WHETHER THEY'RE CERTIFIED OR NON-CERTIFIED, I THINK FOR NON-CERTIFIED, WE ARE THINKING ABOUT, YOU KNOW, $500 FOR SIGN ON BONUS FOR CERTIFIED. I'D LIKE TO GO UP TO $7,500, UM, WITH A CONTRACT THAT THEY WOULD HAVE TO PAY BACK. SO IT WOULD BE A THREE YEAR CONTRACT ON THAT. UM, PAY INCENTIVES FOR THE FIELD TRAINING OFFICER, UM, WITH OUR FTOS AS THEY ARE NOW AND OUR, OUR FTOS THAT HAVE GONE BACK IN THE HISTORY THAT WOULD COST ABOUT 28,763. UM, SO I THINK THERE'S VIABLE OPTIONS TO DO IT WITH MONEY THAT WE, WE HAVE HERE. IF YOU CAN THROW A LITTLE BIT MORE TO ME AND THINK ABOUT SOME OF THESE OPTIONS ABOUT DOING THAT, I I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IT. UM, I ALSO WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT I AM JUST FIGHTING AND ASKING FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE. WELL, I I DO THINK THAT ALL COUNTY EMPLOYEES DO A BANG UP JOB AND I APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DO. I ALSO DON'T THINK THAT THIS CAREER FIELD WITH EVERYTHING THAT WE PUT INTO IT WITH THE EXTENSIVE BACKGROUND, THE POLYGRAPH, THE MEDICAL, UM, BACKGROUND, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL, NOT JUST ANYBODY CAN BE A DEPUTY OR A COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER. IT TAKES A LOT TO DO IT. AND THEN YOU ALSO HAVE TO THROW IN THERE ALL THE TRAINING AND ONGOING TRAINING THAT WE HAVE TO DO. AND IT IS SPECIALIZED AND WE, WE DO GO TO A LOT OF DANGEROUS AND TRAUMATIC SITUATIONS. UM, RIGHT NOW I CAN TELL YOU, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF CALLS IN MY, IN THE HISTORY OF ME BEING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT I I WILL NEVER FORGET. THERE'S PLACES AROUND, UM, TOWN THAT I WILL NEVER FORGET. IT'S NOT FOR EVERYBODY. AND SO THAT IS WHY WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE SIGNING UP AND KNOCKING AT OUR DOOR ANYWHERE IN THE NATION ACTUALLY TO BECOME A POLICE OFFICER. IT USED TO BE ONE OF THOSE PROFESSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY LOOKED UP TO YOU AND WANTED TO BE A POLICE OFFICER. AND, UM, THAT'S NOT THE CASE. I I DO BLAME SOCIAL MEDIA A LOT. I'M NOT A BIG SOCIAL MEDIA, YOU KNOW, PERSON. I DO WATCH IT, BUT, UM, THERE'S A LOT OF HATE THERE AND THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF HATE THERE AND I KNOW YOU GUYS HAVE FELT IT. I FEEL IT. UM, AND THERE IS, AND SO PEOPLE WHO HOP ON THE BANDWAGON THAT DON'T REALLY KNOW THE TRUTH AND WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENS AND WHAT BEING A, A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER MEANS THEY WILL HATE ON US EVERY STEP OF THE WAY, UM, AND NOT KNOW A THING ABOUT WHAT WE, WHAT WE DO EVERY SINGLE DAY. SO I AM, I AM FIGHTING, FIGHTING FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND THAT'S WHAT I'M FIGHTING FOR TODAY. UM, AND I I I HOPE YOU GOT SOMETHING OUTTA THIS PRESENTATION. I, I HOPE SOMETHING RESONATED, UM, BECAUSE WE DO NEED HELP. UM, I THINK MY STAFF DESERVES IT. I THINK OUR COMMUNITY DESERVES IT. UM, AND I CAN'T SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT. SO THE PLAN, WE WANNA RECRUIT, WE WANNA REFER, WE WANNA RETAIN OUR PEOPLE AND WE WANNA DEVELOP 'EM. UM, I WANNA INVEST IN OUR PEOPLE. I WANT TO BRING SOMETHING TO WARREN COUNTY THAT OTHER AGENCIES AREN'T OFFERING. UM, IF THAT'S A COSTCO MEMBERSHIP, I'LL SIGN EVERY PERSON UP FOR A COSTCO MEMBERSHIP. UM, LAURA PHILLIPS, SHE, UM, IS ONE OF MY INVESTIGATORS AND SHE CALLED THE PARKS, UM, SHENDO NATIONAL PARK, AND THEY ARE GOING TO GIVE US PASSES FOR OUR STAFF. UM, THAT'S AWESOME. BUT [03:05:01] WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE IN THE AGENCY THAT ARE FIGHTING TO GET MORE PEOPLE IN AND TO GET PEOPLE TO STAY. AND I'M JUST ASKING THAT YOU FIGHT FOR US TOO ON THAT. SO, UM, THAT'S WHAT I HAVE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I HAVE A QUESTION. UM, IS THERE, IS THIS, I MEAN, YOU HAVE COLLEAGUES IN SIMILAR, LIKE SMALL COUNTIES, RURAL COUNTIES AND STUFF THERE, IT'S A, IT'S PRETTY MUCH A CHALLENGE, COMMON CHALLENGE, RIGHT? RIGHT. BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED IT WAS KIND OF LIKE, LIKE, UM, SO IS THERE ANY KIND OF COMMON POOL OF THINGS THAT PEOPLE ARE DOING? I MEAN, IT'S GREAT THAT ALL YOUR EMPLOYEES COME UP WITH IDEAS. THAT'S AWESOME. UM, BUT IS THERE A POOL OF OR A BODY OF WORK OF LIKE THINGS THAT WORK THAT, THAT ARE KNOWN? UM, SECOND PART OF THE QUESTION IS DO YOU DO, IT'S GREAT TO HAVE IDEAS FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE HERE, BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT? LIKE, DO YOU DO EXIT INTERVIEWS? DO YOU HAVE A YES? YOU KNOW, DO YOU HAVE A CATALOG OF THINGS THEY SAY WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IF I HAD THIS OR I HAD THAT OR THIS, THAT WOULD'VE MADE A DIFFERENCE FOR ME. A LOT OF IT IS WE'RE BUSY. UM, I DO HAVE HIGH, HIGH EXPECTATIONS. I DO. UM, I I I FEEL THAT THERE WAS A TURN WHEN COVID HIT AND DURING COVID WE HAD TO BECOME VERY REACTIVE AND WE GOT A LOT OF NEW RECRUITS DURING THAT TIME TOO, WHERE WE REACTIVE AND THAT'S WHAT THEY LEARNED. AND I HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT SET OF EXPECTATIONS IS I LIKE TO BE PROACTIVE. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS, AND IT, IT DOES, IT DOES TAKE SOME OF OUR OVERTIME BUDGET, BUT I LIKE TO BE PROACTIVE IN GOING TO THE HOAS AND POAS AND THE SANITARY DISTRICTS AND THESE GROUPS OF PEOPLE. SO I MADE IT PART OF THE CAREER DEVELOPMENT TO GET PEOPLE OUT THERE SO THAT WE CAN BUILD THOSE RELATIONSHIPS. AND I DO THINK THAT'S VERY, VERY IMPORTANT. UM, SO WE'RE BUSY YOU THERE IS, YOU KNOW, INCREASED THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO DO TO MOVE UP IN A CAREER DEVELOPMENT TO EARN THAT RIGHT, TO BE A DEPUTY TWO, A DEPUTY THREE AND MASTER DEPUTY AND I, I, I DON'T APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. UM, THAT IS THE JOB THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR. UM, SO I THINK SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT THAT GRASS IS GREENER ON THE OTHER SIDE. UM, I CAME FROM THE TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY'RE JUST AS BUSY. UM, I CAME THERE, I KNOW WHAT THAT EXPERIENCE IS, BUT IF THEY HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED IT, THEN THEY DON'T KNOW. AND WE ARE EXTREMELY BUSY RIGHT NOW WITH EVERYTHING THAT IS GOING ON. AND EVEN THOUGH WE'VE INCREASED OUR STAFFING, UM, WE STAY MOVING 12 HOURS IS VERY TOUGH, TOUGH. IT'S, IT'S EXHAUSTING. UM, AND I DO THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT IT IS AN EASIER RIDE ELSEWHERE. UM, I THINK SOME OF THAT HAS TO DO WITH IT. UM, I DO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, SO, YOU KNOW, UM, I CAN'T HELP A, A WAY THAT A, A PERSON FEELS, BUT IF THEY FEEL THAT THEY HAVE A TARGET ON THEIR BACK BECAUSE THEY MIGHT HAVE GOTTEN ONE OR TWO DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS OR SOMETHING, I, I'M NOT GONNA APOLOGIZE THAT FOR THAT EITHER. UM, THERE ARE STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE TO UPHOLD AND, UM, I EXPECT EVERYBODY TO FOLLOW OUR, OUR POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND WE NEED TO HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE. I, I JUST DON'T KNOW IF SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I'VE JUST TALKED ABOUT HAVE HAPPENED IN THE PAST. UM, I HAVE A DIFFERENT BACKGROUND. I'M A DIFFERENT SHERIFF. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I, I MIGHT NOT BE SOME PEOPLE'S CUP OF TEA. UM, SO, AND I'M OKAY WITH THAT. UM, I AM A HARD CHARGER. I LIKE THINGS, YOU KNOW, DONE. SO I DON'T NECESSARILY THINK THAT'S THE REASON THAT EVERYBODY'S LEAVING. UM, C CIRCUMSTANCES CHANGE, BUT, UM, IT'S WHERE WE'RE AT. I THINK IT'S A LOT OF, A LOT OF GOOD IDEAS. UM, I, IT'S, I DON'T KNOW WHERE TO SAY I WOULD PICK THIS. I WOULD PICK THAT I'M, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT EVEN MY PLACE TO, TO DO THAT. BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I DO UNDERSTAND COMING FROM THE LAW ENFORCEMENT SIDE OF THE FAMILY, UM, IT IS A HARD JOB ALL IN FIREFIGHTING, YOU KNOW, ALL OF THAT. IT'S, IT IS A HARD JOB, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT, IT'S, IT'S A SPECIALIZED, UM, A FIELD THAT I CAN'T JUST WALK IN AND SAY, HIRE ME. I'M, I WANNA BE A DEPUTY. THE, YOU KNOW, I'VE, I'VE GOT TO GET THROUGH ALL THE THINGS YOU SAY WHERE I COULD WALK IN TO SOME OF OUR DEPARTMENTS AND SAY, [03:10:01] I THINK PUBLIC WORKS. I, I KNOW HOW TO RUN A TRACTOR. I'D LIKE TO, TO WORK HERE. UM, I, AS LONG AS I'M PAST THAT BACKGROUND CHECK AND PROVE I CAN DRIVE THAT TRACTOR, I CAN PRETTY MUCH START TO WORK. UM, AND I, AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE GUYS THAT DO THAT. UM, BUT I DO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, THE SPECIALTY FIELD. AND BY DOING THIS, THAT SOME PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, WHY NOT ME. BUT THEN THEY CAN ALWAYS APPLY TO BE A SHERIFF'S DEPUTY. YES. AND GET THESE BENEFITS OF WHATEVER YOU, YOU KNOW, COMES OUT OF THIS. UM, AND I CAN SEE WHERE THAT MIGHT BE AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I'VE, I'M NOT SURE I WOULD'VE, THERE, THERE ARE PEOPLE I KNOW IN LAW ENFORCEMENT THAT I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH THAT I WOULD'VE NEVER GUESSED THEY WOULD'VE ENDED UP WITH THAT JOB. SO I'M PROBABLY ONE OF THEM, THE PEOPLE I WENT TO SCHOOL WITH, , BUT THEY'RE, AND THEY DO A GREAT JOB. SO I, I THINK PEOPLE AT DIFFERENT STAGE OF THEIR LIFE FIND OUT THAT, YEAH, I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD DO THAT, BUT I DID IT AND I LIKE IT. AND SO SOMETHING LIKE THIS MAY INITIATE THAT THOUGHT. WE'VE ACTUALLY HAD AN UPTICK IN OLDER PEOPLE APPLYING, UM, THOSE THAT ARE ALMOST 40 OR RIGHT OVER 40 THAT HAVE, UM, APPLIED. AND THAT IS A DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AS WELL. BUT I, I WANTED TO PRESENT THIS BECAUSE I WANNA HEAR BACK FROM ALL OF YOU AND FEEDBACK. UM, I WANT TO, I WANNA HEAR A DIRECTION IN WHAT YOU'RE THINKING OR WANT TO KNOW MORE ABOUT, BECAUSE THE NEXT BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING ISN'T UNTIL I THINK JULY 21ST, 23RD. AND I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE EVERYTHING READY TO ROLL THEN TO APPROVE OR TALK ABOUT AT THAT, AT THAT, THAT MEETING. I KNOW WITH BONUSES, UH, THE COUNTY HAS TO WRITE AN ORDINANCE. THERE HAS TO BE AN ORDINANCE THAT IS PASSED FOR THAT. UM, AND I, WE'LL WORK ON ANY NUMBERS OR ANYTHING YOU WANT. I JUST, I REALLY WANNA HEAR BACK FROM YOU, UM, ON YOUR IDEAS AND YOUR THOUGHTS AND DIRECTION THAT YOU WANT. YOU WANT ME TO GO SO THAT WE'RE READY TO ROLL IN JULY, IF THERE'S SOMETHING ON THAT LIST AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN, UM, WE CAN DO TO BRING PEOPLE IN THE DOOR. I THINK YOU GO AHEAD. COULD YOU EMAIL THAT PRESENTATION TO US? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. THANK YOU. THE, THE ONE THING THAT STICKS OUT TO ME IS THE SUSTAINABILITY. I KNOW YOU'VE GOT YOUR VACANCY MONEY AND SO FORTH. THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE MY FIRST THOUGHT OF YOU START SOMETHING THAT HAD, HOW DO WE HAVE THE SUSTAINABILITY TO KEEP THAT GOING? WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S A COUPLE OPTIONS. UM, LIKE THE HIRING BONUSES, IF WE'RE UP TO STAFF AND WE, YOU KNOW, HAVE FIVE VACANCIES, THAT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO KEEP ON GOING YEAR, AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR. I THINK THAT CAN BE, UM, REEVALUATED WITH THE NEED. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S SOME THINGS, YOU KNOW, THE HEALTH INSURANCE, AND I REALLY LIKE THAT OPTION. I, I'M STUCK ON THAT ONE. ON, ON PAYING FOR THE EMPLOYEE AT $81 A PAYCHECK. IT MIGHT SEEM SMALL, BUT IT'S NOT. I'M, I AM STUCK ON THAT. THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WOULD, WOULD BE OVER AND OVER. THE REASON I LIKE THAT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, RATHER THAN THE RETIREMENT, YOU RETIRE AND YOU HAVE YOUR HEALTH INSURANCE IN THOSE GAP YEARS IS WHEN PEOPLE, UM, SEVER THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH THE COUNTY AND THEY RETIRE OR THEY LEAVE, YOU KNOW, UNDER THOSE, WE, YOU STILL GOTTA KEEP UP WITH THEM. THIS IS FOR EMPLOYEES THAT WE HAVE NOW, SO WE CAN KEEP UP WITH THAT. WE KNOW WHAT INSURANCE OPTIONS THEY'RE DOING WHEN THEY RETIRE. IT ENDS, IT'S DONE. THAT RELATIONSHIP IS OVER. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS I, I LIKE IT. UM, I KNOW, AND I HONESTLY DON'T THINK IT WOULD BE AS EXPENSIVE AS THAT ONGOING GAP YEAR, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RETIREMENT FOR THE HEALTH INSURANCE. UM, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT AS FACTS. THAT'S JUST AN OPINION OF MINE. SO, UM, WE CAN LOOK AT THESE AT WHICH ARE YEAR AFTER YEAR, AND THAT WOULD BE RECURRING AND THOSE THAT AFTER WE GET TO A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF POSITIONS FILLED, THAT WE CAN REEVALUATE THAT. YEAH. DO, UH, WHAT, WHAT IS THE CURRENT NUMBER OF STAFF THAT IS IN YOUR BUDGET VERSUS HOW MANY YOU ACTUALLY HAVE? UM, WE ARE BUDGETED FOR, LET ME GO BACK TO THAT. WHAT WAS THE, WE WENT BACK AND FORTH. SO IT WAS 73 MINUS FIVE, THAT WAS 68 PLUS TWO 70. YOU'RE FUNDED FOR 70, FUNDED FOR 70. AND HOW MANY DO YOU CURRENTLY HAVE? 54. [03:15:01] 54. WOULD IT MAKE SENSE? UH, I DON'T, WHEN I WAS LOOKING AT THOSE NUMBERS, I WAS TRYING TO ADD THAT OUT IN MY HEAD, 50, UH, TO FUND AND, AND, AND YOU DON'T WANT ME PICKING WHICH IT IS, YOU NEED TO WORK WITH HUMAN RESOURCES OR SOMEBODY. IT'S MORE EXPERIENCED WITH HAVING THAT KIND OF EMPLOYEES. I CAN DEAL WITH ONE OR TWO, AND THAT'S ABOUT THE END OF MY EXPERIENCE FOR, UH, HUMAN MARINES. I THINK TOTAL, I'M AROUND A HUNDRED STAFF MEMBERS IN THE BUILDING WITH CIVILIANS AND DISPATCH. SO, OH, WOULD IT BE WORTH FOR A COUPLE YEARS BEING YOU CAN'T GET A FULL STAFF TO COMPACT, YOU KNOW, 2, 3, 4 POSITIONS AND THEN USE THAT MONEY TO EITHER DO BONUSES OR THE INSURANCE? ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT VACANCY SAVINGS? YES. UM, SO FOR, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS BUDGETED OR, UM, IF WHAT IS BEING TRANSFERRED OVER. SO I I, I REALLY SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY COMMENTS ON WHERE WE ARE WITH OUR, OUR BUDGET. IT APPEARS THAT WE ARE, WE HAVE EXPENDED OUR SALARIES FOR FULL-TIME, BUT I KNOW THAT THEY HAVE DIFFERENT THINGS THAT THEY DO FROM WHATEVER LINES THAT THEY PUSH BACK INTO OUR BUDGET AT THE END OF THE YEAR. SO I DON'T KNOW HOW MUCH WE HAVE IN VACANCY SAVINGS. YOU, YOU, YOU'LL NEED TO WORK ON THAT, UH, AND DO A LITTLE RESEARCH THAT WITH FINANCE ALL I PERSONALLY, 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU DID IT BEFORE, YOU COMPACTED SOME POSITIONS TO KEEP SOME PEOPLE ALL, AND IF YOU'VE GOT THAT MUCH ROOM IN THE VACANCY, IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU'RE WORKING WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, THAT'S ALREADY APPROVED WITHIN REASON. UH, I, I'M GONNA LEAVE IT UP TO YOU IF IT'S, IF IT'S UP TO ME, YOU KNOW, SO IF, IF YOU'RE, UH, IF YOU'VE GOT MONEY IN THE BUDGET FOR AN ADDITIONAL 15 PEOPLE AND YOU WANNA DO AWAY WITH TWO OR THREE OF 'EM FOR A TIME TO, UH, FIX THE PROBLEM, SO TO SPEAK, UH, FINANCIALLY, UH, YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THAT. AND THEN WHEN YOU'RE, YOU GET CLOSE TO WHERE YOU'RE OUTTA MONEY FOR NEW POSITIONS AGAIN, THEN, THEN IT MAY BE TIME TO COME BACK HERE. AND THEN WE'D HAVE TO EVALUATE WHERE WE CAN FIND YOU SOME MORE FUNDING. AND THAT'S REALLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT WITH THE TWO PO POSITIONS THAT YOU APPROVED FOR THE FISCAL YEAR, UM, FISCAL 27 YEAR, UM, THAT WE UTILIZE THAT, NOT FILL THOSE POSITIONS OBVIOUSLY, BUT, UM, TO UTILIZE THAT FOR SOME OF THESE PROGRAMS. YEAH, YEAH. IF YOU CAN, IF YOU CAN FIGURE OUT A, IN OTHER WORDS, I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF NEW MONEY HERE TO, WHAT HAS IT TAKING? WELL, MY MONEY TREE QUIT PRODUCING. YEAH, THE FROG. SCOTT, MAYBE YOU SHOULD WATER IT A LITTLE BIT MORE. WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT? DROUGHT . BUT IF YOU, IF YOU, HAVE YOU BEEN SAYING YOUR PRAYERS THAT NIGHT, , BUT IF IT HELP YOU AND IT'S WITHIN YOUR BUDGET, I WOULD, I'D DO WHAT I COULD TO SUPPORT YOU THAT WAY. THANK YOU. I MEAN, I CAN TALK ABOUT VEHICLES. NO, I AM SAD TO SAY IN THE PURSUIT. UM, WE DID, WE, WE HAD A LITTLE DAMAGE TO ONE OF OUR, OUR NEW PATROL TRUCK. SO, UM, BUT RESTITUTION, WE'LL GET RESTITUTION AS WELL AS INSURANCE. WE HAVE THAT, THANK GOODNESS. BUT YEAH, I WAS A LITTLE SAD ABOUT THAT, BUT WE GOT IT DONE. WE GOT THE JOB DONE. NECESSARY SACRIFICE. NO ONE HURT, I HOPE. NO. WHAT? NO ONE HURT. NO. UM, SUSPECT WASN'T HURT. DOGS. THERE WAS TWO DOGS. DOGS WEREN'T HURT. NO DEPUTIES WERE HURT. GOOD. YEAH, IT WAS, IT WAS VERY SUCCESSFUL. GOOD. GOOD. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS MUCH? ALL RIGHT. I'LL BE EXPECTING EMAILS FROM EVERYBODY, BUT I WILL SEND THIS AS WELL. BUT THANK YOU. I DO WANNA HEAR FROM PEOPLE. OKAY. THANK YOU. BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA BE READY JULY 21ST. YOU'RE GONNA SEE ME AGAIN. I'VE ALREADY ASKED TO BE ON THE AGENDA, RIGHT, ZACH? WELL, IF YOU'RE HERE ON THE 21ST, YOU WON'T BE SEEING, WELL, 23RD. I DON'T KNOW WHY I KEEP ON SAYING THE 21ST. I DON'T KNOW. I THINK I A SPEAKING ENGAGEMENT ON THE 21ST, SO. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU FOR STICKING. SO THAT IS ALL ON THE AGENDA. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO WHO ALL IN FAVOR A AYE, SAFE TRAVELS HOME. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.