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WELL, GOOD EVENING[B. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America ]
AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026, UH, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.AND WE WILL START OFF WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE.
AND IF EVERY I CALL THE MEETING TO ORDER, AND IF EVERYONE WILL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, PLEASE.
PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE PGI, UNIFY TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC FOR WI.
IT STANDS ON THE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE.
[C. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions ]
ADDITIONS? UH, DELETIONS TO THE AGENDA? HEARING NONE.IS THERE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE AGENDA AS PRESENTED? SECOND.
[D.1. Delegate Delores Oates ]
HONORED TO HAVE DELEGATE DOLORES OATS HERE WITH US TONIGHT TO GIVE US, UM, A LITTLE UPDATE OF WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA.THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE TONIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE INVITATION.
IT'S, UM, ODD BEING ON THIS SIDE.
SO, UM, THE 2026 GENERAL ASSEMBLY SECTION, UM, THAT HAD THE GREATEST, THE ISSUES THAT HAD THE GREATEST POTENTIAL CONSEQUENCES FOR RURAL COMMUNITIES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL YEARS.
WATER IS PROBABLY THE SLEEPER.
AND, UM, I RECEIVED A REQUEST FROM THE COUNTY TO COME IN AND MAYBE TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS INSTRUCTED THE RURAL COMMUNITIES OR COMMUNITIES AT LARGE TO DO WITH RESPECT TO THE WATER AND RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, DROUGHT MANAGEMENT, AND SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE SEEING CURRENTLY, CURRENTLY.
I DIDN'T KNOW I WAS SUPPOSED TO TURN THAT ON.
UM, SO ANYWAY, I WANTED TO TALK BRIEFLY ABOUT THE WATER, UH, SUPPLY PLANNING.
SO IN 2020, UH, THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY PASSED A BILL THAT WOULD, THAT INSTRUCTED, UM, LOCALITIES TO DO WATER, UH, RESOURCE STUDIES.
AND THEY WANTED TO DO IT AS A REGIONAL INSTEAD OF EACH INDIVIDUAL, UM, EACH INDIVIDUAL LOCALITY, THEY WANTED TO APPROACH IT FROM A REGIONAL PERSPECTIVE.
AND SO IT WAS HB 5 42, WHICH WAS PASSED IN 2020, AND VIRGINIA SAID THAT REGIONAL, UH, PLANNING SHOULD BE PART OF EVERY ONE OF THE PLANNING DISTRICTS.
AND THERE'S 21 IN THE STATE SHOULD BE PART OF THEIR INITIATIVE.
AND WE ARE IN THE SHENDO RIVER TWO REGIONAL PLANNING AREA.
UM, I HAVE TARYN LOGAN HERE BECAUSE THE NORTHERN SHENANDOAH REGIONAL COMMISSION IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS STUDY.
AND SO THEY'VE RECEIVED A WHOLE BUNCH OF MONEY, 34,000 WHOLE DOLLARS SO FAR,
AND, UM, I WAS JUST GONNA HAVE HER GIVE YOU GUYS A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT THEY'RE, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE ATTEMPTING TO DO.
BUT, UM, AND WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST.
SO TARYN HAS SHARED WITH ME THAT WE'VE HAD A WATER STUDY, UM, IN 2011 DONE.
AND THAT TO THIS POINT, WE HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THAT DROUGHT MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL, UH, SINCE 2011.
SO IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND, I'M GONNA HAND OFF, UH, TO TARYN AND LET HER TELL YOU WHAT THE, UH, NORTHERN SHENDO REGIONAL COMMISSION IS GONNA BE DOING.
IT'S SO GOOD TO SEE YOU BACK IN THIS ROOM.
UM, I DIDN'T REALLY PREPARE ANYTHING, BUT IN 2011, THE REGIONAL, WE ACTUALLY DID A REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLAN THROUGH THE, UM, NORTHERN CHANDLE VALLEY REGIONAL COMMISSION.
I WAS THE WARREN COUNTY REPRESENTATIVE AT THAT TIME, AND THAT ACTUALLY ESTABLISHED OUR, UM, CHAPTER 1 75 OF OUR, OUR WARREN COUNTY CODE, UM, FOR, UM, OUR DROUGHT CONTINGENCY PLAN.
SO, AND THAT IS, IT'S ON OUR WEBSITE RIGHT NOW FOR THE COMMISSION.
AND, UM, IT HAS A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
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CURRENT, CURRENT TIME, AND THE, UM, DEQ HAS SAID THAT WE NEED TO, UM, BASICALLY DO THAT, DO THAT AGAIN, AND HAVE IT, UM, APPROVED BY OCTOBER 9TH, 2029.SO, UM, SO WE JUST STARTED THAT PROCESS.
UM, ALL THE LOCALITIES IN OUR REGION ARE REQUIRED TO, UM, PROVIDE, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S VERY DATA DRIVEN.
SO THEY'RE, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE EXISTING WATER USAGE, EXISTING WATER SUPPLY, UM, EXISTING NATURAL RESOURCE INFORMATION, UM, A 30 YEAR PROJECTED WATER DEMAND FOR EACH LOCALITY.
AND, UM, WE HAVE TO COMPILE ALL THAT AND THEN HAVE OUR PUBLIC PROCESSES, UM, AND HAVE THAT APPROVED BY 2029 BY EACH LOCALITY IN THE REGION.
SO, UM, WE'RE JUST KICKING THAT OFF.
YOU'LL, YOU'LL PROBABLY BE HEARING A LOT MORE ABOUT THAT.
UM, I DID JUST APPLY FOR A GRANT AND RECEIVE 34,000, UM, AND, UM, MS. OATS CAN GIVE YOU MORE ABOUT THE FUNDING TOWARDS THAT.
BUT THIS PLAN IS VERY, I MEAN, IT'S VERY SPECIFIC AS TO WHAT NEEDS TO BE INCLUDED, UM, AS FAR AS THE CODE OF VIRGINIA AND WHAT, WHAT DEQ IS REQUIRING TO BE IN THE PLAN.
SO WE'RE ALSO LOOKING AT POSSIBLY DOING, UM, SOME MORE, YOU KNOW, MORE OUT OF THE BOX REGIONAL WATER SUPPLY PLANNING.
UM, BUT WE'LL HAVE TO, WE'VE JUST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THAT AND WE'LL HAVE TO START LOOKING FOR, YOU KNOW, DIFFERENT FUNDING OPTIONS AND THEN WHAT LOCALITIES WOULD LIKE TO BE INVOLVED IN THAT.
AND I KNOW WARREN COUNTY WAS VERY PROACTIVE IN DOING THEIR OWN WATER SUPPLY PLANNING.
I MEAN, WE HAD THE USGS STUDY THAT STARTED BACK IN 2006, AND THAT WENT ON FOR LIKE SIX TO 10 YEARS, I BELIEVE.
AND THEN WE DID OUR, WE DID THE 3 45 22 CAR STUDY, WHICH WAS AN EXCELLENT STUDY BEFORE, UM, WHICH REALLY HELPED US WHEN INDUSTRIES WERE COMING IN, UM, HOW TO DEVELOP IN THAT CAST AREA AND THAT IT WASN'T GOING TO TOWARDS THE RESIDENT RESIDENTIAL, UM, HOMES IN THE ROCKLAND AREA.
AND THEN WE'VE ALSO DONE DIFFERENT REGIONAL STUDIES.
SO, UM, SO THIS WILL BRING HOPEFULLY ALL THAT TOGETHER.
AND, BUT THIS PLAN IS REALLY JUST KICKING OFF.
I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THAT, BUT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS IF YOU HAVE ANY OF ME.
SO TO FINISH UP ON WHAT TARYN IS DESCRIBING, THAT 34,000 OR $39,000 STARTED OUT AS $231,000 FOR THE ENTIRE 21 STATE REGIONAL, UH, PLANNING DISTRICTS.
BUT A BUDGET AMENDMENT THIS SESSION, UH, INCREASE THAT AMOUNT TO 940 SOME, I THINK IT WAS 9 81.
IT SAYS ANNUALLY, UNLESS SOMEONE CHANGES IT NEXT SESSION, UM, IT'LL BE A $981,000 ANNUAL DISBURSEMENT BETWEEN THE 21, UH, DIFFERENT PLANNING DISTRICTS.
AND SO THAT WILL GIVE THEM A LITTLE MORE FUNDING SO THAT THEY CAN DO, UM, WHAT IS EXPECTED OF THEM TO, AND PROVIDE DEQ WITH A REPORT BY 2029.
SO, UM, THAT IS THE, THE WATER AREA.
UM, WE CAN LOOK AT OUR RIVER AND SEE THE DISTRESS THAT THE DROUGHT IS HAVING ON THE RIVER.
I, I HAVEN'T SEEN TWO ISLANDS ON THE SECOND, YOU KNOW, AS YOU COME INTO TOWN OVER THE SECOND BRIDGE IN A VERY LONG TIME.
SO, UM, BUT WE ALSO HAVE TO REALIZE THAT WHAT HAPPENS UPSTREAM AFFECTS DOWNSTREAM.
SO WE'RE ALL USERS OF THE SHENANDOAH RIVER.
UM, AND IT ISN'T JUST WARREN COUNTY'S PROBLEM.
SO THE REGIONAL SOLUTION IS A GREAT WAY TO ATTACK THE PROBLEM, I THINK FROM THIS VANTAGE POINT.
AND I'M PRETTY, UH, EXCITED THAT TARYN IS LEADING THAT EFFORT BECAUSE SHE DIDN'T PLAN ANYTHING, BUT YOU COULD HEAR WHAT SHE KNOWS JUST OFF THE TOP OF HER HEAD.
UM, SO THAT'S JUST A, I THINK, GREAT.
THE, UM, OTHER AREAS THAT THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAD A BIG IMPACT THIS YEAR WAS RURAL HEALTHCARE.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU, UM, THE RURAL HEALTHCARE, UM, ACT THAT WE, UH, HAVE, THAT THE MONEY HAS COME INTO THE COUNTY, UH, TO ESTABLISH SOME GRANTS FOR DIFFERENT, I MEAN, ALL SORTS OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS CAN APPLY FOR THESE GRANTS.
THERE ARE IS FOOD IS MEDICINE IS ONE OF THEIR INITIATIVES, BUT THERE'S A GREAT NUMBER OF INITIATIVES THAT WILL, THAT OUR AREA WILL BE SEEING.
AND THE NORTHERN SHINDO ROUTE VALLEY REGION REGIONAL COMMISSION IS ALSO THE ADMINISTER OF THAT GRANT.
UM, AS WELL, THEY'RE GONNA BE THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE GRANT.
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SO, UM, IT'S CALLED RURAL HEALTHCARE TRANSFORMATION.AND YOU CAN GO OUT, I DON'T WANT TO TAKE A TON OF TIME BECAUSE IT'S VERY INTENSE, BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO OUT AND TAKE A LOOK AT THAT, UM, THAT HELP HAS A LOT OF IMPACT IN OUR RURAL COMMUNITY.
UM, K 12 FUNDING, I THINK IT WAS THE MOST MONEY THAT THEY'D EVER PUT INTO K 12 FUNDING, PARTICULARLY SPECIAL EDUCATION, UM, IN THE HISTORY OF VIRGINIA.
UH, SO THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY SHOULD BE COMING INTO DIFFERENT COUNTIES AS WELL.
THEY'RE ALSO, AFTER LOTS OF BEGGING, THEY'RE GOING TO REEXAMINE, UH, THE LOCAL COMPOSITE INDEX AND THE FUNDING FORMULAS FINALLY, BECAUSE THE FUNDING FORMULAS ARE SOMETHING LIKE 30 YEARS OLD AND NO LONGER APPLY TO VIRGINIA.
VIRGINIA HAS CHANGED DRASTICALLY.
SO, UM, THAT IS PART OF THE INITIATIVE, UH, MOVING FORWARD.
AND I BELIEVE THAT STUDY IS BEING DONE CURRENTLY.
SO, UM, THOSE ARE JUST THE HIGHLIGHTS.
IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS, UH, ESPECIALLY ON THE WATER ISSUE.
AND I GUESS WHEN I FIRST GOT BACK HERE, THERE WAS ONE ISSUE, 'CAUSE IT'S UP HIGH TOP ROAD, THEY'VE GOT SOME WATER ISSUES.
SOMEBODY CAME AND SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY CAN, UH, OKAY, TAKE A SHOWER IN THE MORNING, GET HOME.
BUT THEY GOT LIKE 50 OR 60 PLATTED OFF LOTS ALREADY AND THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT, IF IT, I MEAN, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT PERSON'S PROPERTY RIGHTS IF YOU SEE YOU CAN'T, BUT THEN IF THEY BUILD AND IT IMPACTS EVERYBODY ELSE AS WELL.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF THERE IS ONE AT THIS POINT.
I EXPECT YOU TO GIVE AN ANSWER RIGHT NOW BECAUSE I DON'T MEAN TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD, BUT YOU KNOW, THE WATER, I MEAN THE TOWN'S THE SAME WAY, LIKE YOU TALKED ABOUT THE RIVER AND I THINK MOST OF THE STATES IN THE, UH, DROUGHT, DEPENDING THE, THE WHOLE STATE IS A DROUGHT AREA, WHATEVER AREA.
AND IT JUST SEEMS, I DON'T KNOW, I MEAN, EITHER PEOPLE, WHEN THEY COME HERE AND THEY BUILD, THEY'RE GONNA, UH, HAVE A HUGE EXPENSE 'CAUSE THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO GO DEEPER OR ELSE THEY'RE GONNA IMPACT THE PEOPLE AROUND THEM.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU, IF THEY HAVE COMPLAINTS, CAN I JUST FORWARD THAT TO YOU?
WELL, SO HERE'S ANOTHER THING THAT THE STATE WAS TRYING TO DO, WHICH IS TAKE AWAY LOCAL GOVERNMENT CONTROL.
AND SO ALL OF THOSE DECISIONS ARE REALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENT AND YOU DON'T WANT THE STATE MAKING LAND USE DECISIONS FOR YOU.
ONCE THEY OPEN THE PANDORA'S BOX, THAT BOX WILL NEVER GET SHUT.
AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT, UM, THERE HAVE BEEN ATTEMPTS, PARTICULARLY AS SOLAR SITING, THEY WANTED TO FORCE LOCALITIES TO HEAR AND CONSIDER SOLAR FARMS. AND THERE ARE LOCALITIES IN OUR STATE THAT ARE INTERESTED, BUT THERE ARE LOCALITIES THAT ARE NOT.
AND FORCING EVERYONE TO DO THAT FROM THE IVORY TOWER IN RICHMOND IS NOT THE WAY THAT STATE GOVERNMENT AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT WAS DESIGNED.
SO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, NO, I WANT YOU TO HANDLE THOSE PROBLEMS. AND IF THERE IS A WAY THAT THE STATE CAN HELP AND SUPPLEMENT, UM, AND IF I HAVE TO GO AND ASK FOR A BUDGET AMENDMENT TO HELP WARREN COUNTY, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
UH, THE ONE THING I WILL SAY IS THAT THE STATE DOESN'T JUST HAND OUT MONEY WITHOUT A PLAN.
SO I HAVE TO HAVE A PROJECT, THE AMOUNT OF MONEY, WHAT IT'S FOR, HOW MUCH THE, THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT IS WILLING TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE EFFORT.
UM, AND THEN I CAN GO AND MAKE A REALLY GOOD CASE FOR WHY, UM, THE STATE SHOULD HELP MY LOCALITY WITH WHATEVER THE PROJECT IS.
BUT I, IT CAN'T JUST BE A GENERAL IDEA.
UM, SO I'M HAPPY TO WORK WITH EACH OF YOU.
IF YOU HAVE SOME SPECIFIC REQUEST THAT YOU'D LIKE FOR ME TO TAKE BACK TO RICHMOND, I'M HAPPY TO DO THAT.
BUT AS YOU'RE AWARE, I'M SURE WARREN COUNTY'S NOT THE ONLY PLACE THAT'S HAVING WELL ISSUES.
AND WE CAN ONLY DO, AS YOU'RE AWARE, WHAT THE STATE ALLOWS US TO DO.
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO.
SO I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE NEXT, MAYBE TALK TO SOME OF YOUR COLLEAGUES AND SEE IF THEY'RE RUN INTO THE SAME ISSUE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER TO THIS WOULD BE.
'CAUSE THERE AGAIN, IF YOU SAY YOU PUT A MORATORIUM ON BUILDING, YOU'RE TAKING AWAY THAT PERSON'S PROPERTY RIGHTS.
BUT THERE AGAIN, IF THEY BILL, THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE'S ORDER.
AND THEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, THAT WAS ANOTHER THING TOO, I ASSUME.
AND THAT WAS HB FOUR 18 WHERE IT ALLOWS MANUFACTURED LOTS OR MANUFACTURED HOMES ON ANY LOT REGARDLESS.
AND IT SUPERSEDES ZONING, WHICH, SO IN THEORY, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR LOT HERE, MY LOT THERE, AND RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE, A DOUBLE WIDE TRAILER COULD GO.
AND I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT THAT WORD OUT SO PEOPLE DON'T GET SURPRISED.
'CAUSE WE'VE HAD THAT BEFORE TOO.
YOU KNOW, WELL, I JUST MOVED HERE, NOW THEY'RE BUILDING SOMETHING NEXT TO ME.
WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT BECAUSE WE CONTROL OVER IT.
SO THERE WAS A BIG EFFORT IN RICHMOND
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THIS YEAR FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND THAT IS THEIR SOLUTION TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING.WELL, THAT WAS THE THING TOO, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, UM, I MEAN WE RAN INTO THAT A COUPLE MONTHS AGO AND I DIDN'T REALIZE IT AFTER ALL THE TIME I'VE BEEN ON HERE TOO.
BUT THE, THE STATE ALLOWS, UM, ELECTRIC SUBSTATION TO BE PUT ANYWHERE, AG DISTRICT OR ANYTHING, IT HAS TO GO FOR THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR, UH, SITE APPROVAL.
AND THEN ONCE THEY OKAY, IT, IT DOESN'T EVEN GET TO US.
SO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WERE AWARE OF THAT OR NOT.
THERE'S SO MUCH TO BE AWARE OF.
BUT THAT IS SOMETHING, THERE WERE 2000 BILLS FOR OUR CONSIDERATION THIS YEAR, AND I DON'T HAVE THE BILL NUMBERS MEMORIZED.
BUT WHAT I AM WILLING TO DO IS IF YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC REQUEST, AND I'M HAPPY TO SIT DOWN AND WE'LL RESEARCH IT.
BY THE WAY, I, I'LL, IF I CAN, I'D LIKE YOU TO MEET MY CHIEF OF STAFF IS, UH, CAROL FELD AND SHE IS, SHE WILL HELP ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
MY, MOST OF YOU HAVE MY CELL PHONE NUMBER, UH, SO THAT YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO CALL AND I'M HAPPY TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO RESEARCH THE ISSUE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE A SOLUTION TO THE WELL SITUATION OR, YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD, HAVE WE HAD ANY PEOPLE WHO'VE SAID THAT THEY WERE UNABLE TO OR THEIR WELLS RAN DRY CONTACT US? I DIDN'T THINK SO.
YEAH, NO, WE HAVE NOT BEEN, WE'VE HAD A GUY WHO WANTED TO DRILL A WELL BUT COULDN'T FIND A WELL DRILLER.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT WE HAVEN'T HAD ANYBODY REACH OUT TO US SAYING THAT THEIR WELL HAD GONE DRYER, THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO GET WATER.
WELL, I HAD ONE GUY THAT LIVED UP ON 5 22 OR WHATEVER WAY BACK ON BLUE RIDGE MOUNTAIN OF STATES, I THINK.
AND HIS WENT DRY AND HE HAD TO RE REIG.
BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S BEEN THAT MANY THAT HAVE GONE DRIVE.
BUT THERE AGAIN, THERE'S A POTENTIAL, ESPECIALLY WITH THE WATER TABLES SINKING.
UH, LAST THING FOR ME ANYWAY, UM, I APPRECIATE YOU SAID YOU'RE TRYING TO GET MONEY THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, BUT ALSO IF THERE'S A, UH, UM, I KNOW IF WE HAVE SPECIFIC DEED YOU CAN LOOK INTO IT, BUT IF THERE'S ANY OTHER AVAILABLE GRANTS OUT THERE, AND I GUESS ONE OF THE THINGS, UH, I SAW, I THINK CHAND COUNTY GOT MAYBE HALF A DOZEN GRANTS FOR TOURISM AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
SO WHATEVER'S OUT THERE AVAILABLE THAT, THAT MAY BE BENEFICIAL, THAT THAT'S, UH, WE COULD DO.
AS I KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH AND GOT STATE GRANTS BEFORE AND MATCHING AND ALL LIKE THAT, BUT IT'S HARD TO KEEP UP WITH GRANTS AND ALL.
I KNOW BACK IN THE DAY, WE USED TO HAVE A GRANT WRITER AND THEY COULD ALWAYS LOOK THROUGH THAT AND THAT SOMETIMES MIGHT BE BENEFICIAL.
AND I KNOW SOME OF THE SEPARATE DEPARTMENTS, THEY, THEY'VE SOUGHT THEIR OWN GRANTS AND GOT IT.
I APPRECIATE ALL THOSE EFFORTS TOO.
BUT ANYWAY, I THINK THAT'S IT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR COMING.
ALL THREE OF YOU APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
YOU GOTTA SPEAK UP A LITTLE LOUD, A LITTLE BIT.
UM, AND HOW THAT, HOW THAT'S GONNA IMPACT OTHER PARTS OF THE STATE.
'CAUSE YOU JUST SAID WHOLE, SO THAT'S THE EASTERN PART OF VIRGINIA.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE EASTERN PART OF VIRGINIA, WHICH IS WHERE ALL THE DATA CENTER SIGHTINGS ARE.
AND SO FORTUNATELY AT THIS POINT, IT, SO WE DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S IMPACTING THE WESTERN SIDE OF VIRGINIA BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T DONE A STUDY TO COMPARE.
UM, SO IT WOULD BE, WITHOUT THE DATA, IT WOULD BE PREMATURE TO, TO STAY THAT, YOU KNOW, THE WESTERN SIDE IS, IS AFFECTED AS WELL.
YEAH, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE'S ANY, AN UNDERSTANDING OR ANTICIPATION OF, OF A CHANGE IN THE WAY THAT THE COUNTIES, LOCAL JURISDICTIONS CAN, CAN, UM, IMPACT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER OR NOT THOSE, THOSE, ANY ENTITY IN THOSE JURISDICTIONS WHERE THAT STUDY WAS DONE THAT SHOWED THAT.
WERE THERE ANYBODY, ANY, ANY STATUTORY CHANGES TO LOCAL JURISDICTION'S ABILITY TO IMPACT THAT OR TO, TO SLOW IT DOWN OR TO STOP IT? WELL, I THINK YOU'RE SEEING, UM, THE RESPONSE ALL ACROSS THE STATE WHERE MOST PEOPLE ARE CALLING FOR A MORATORIUM ON DATA CENTERS OR, YOU KNOW, UM, OR JUST A PAUSE.
I KNOW DIFFERENT JURISDICTIONS ARE CALLING IT ONE THING OR THE OTHER, BUT YOU'RE SEEING THAT BECAUSE THERE NEEDS TO BE AN EVALUATION OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE POWER ISSUE IS EXTRAORDINARY.
UM, SO JUST AS YOU KNOW, IN FEBRUARY, UH, I RECEIVED A MESSAGE THAT BASICALLY SAID THAT THE DEMAND ON THE GRID WAS SO INTENSE THAT THERE COULD POTENTIALLY BE BROWNOUTS.
UM, THAT WAS FROM PJM BACK IN, I THINK IT WAS FEBRUARY DURING THE WHOLE SNOW CREEK, THE COLDEST PART OF THE, THE WINTER.
AND SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN THE, THE ENERGY RESOURCES ARE BEING CHALLENGED AND THE WATER RESOURCES AS WELL.
SO YOU, WE HAVE TO BE GOOD STEWARDS OF WHAT
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WE HAVE AND FIGURE OUT HOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD.I JUST WANNA WRITE JUST SPECIFICALLY TO THE DEALING RULE AND WE'RE DEALING WITH STATE AND HOW LOCALITIES HAVE, SORRY, HOW LOCALITIES ARE UNDER THIS SORT OF, YOU KNOW, THERE'S AN AURA OF THE, I THINK IS OVERDONE IN A LOT OF CASES, BUT AN AURA OF, WELL, YOU CAN'T DO IT BECAUSE THE STATE DOESN'T SAY YOU CAN'T.
AND, AND SO MY SPECIFIC QUESTION IS WHETHER YOU THINK THAT STUDY FROM THE EASTERN SHORE IS GOING TO MAYBE RESULT IN SOME CHANGES AT THE STATE LEVEL IN TERMS OF MORE CONTROL AT THE LOCAL LEVEL INSTEAD OF JUST WELL, THE DYLAN RULE.
AND THAT, THAT'S, THAT'S MY QUESTION.
I THINK YOU'LL SEE A LOT OF PROPOSED LEGISLATION NEXT YEAR THAT WILL DEAL WITH GIVING THE LOCAL COMMUNITIES MORE CONTROL OVER LAND USE DECISIONS, WHICH IS WHAT I THINK SHOULD HAPPEN.
MR. HENRY, I'M GONNA GO DOWN THE LINE.
WOULD YOU, DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS.
THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S FOR DELEGATE OWED OR IF IT'S FOR MR. HAM, UH, BUT BACK TO THE, THE STATE LAW, UH, REGARDING MANUFACTURED HOUSING ON ANY LOT IN OVERRIDING LOCAL ZONING, MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WERE MAYBE TWO BILLS AND ONE HAD A CARVE OUT FOR LOCALITIES THAT ALREADY HAD AN A DU ORDINANCE AND WE HAPPENED TO PASS ONE LAST YEAR.
SO DEPENDING ON THE, THE SCOPE OF EACH OF THOSE, THERE MAY BE, UM, THE FACT THAT OUR PREEXISTING A DU ORDINANCE MAY, UH, GIVE US MORE CONTROL THAN WE OTHERWISE WOULD HAVE IN THAT REGARD.
UM, AND THAT WOULD DEFINITELY BE A MR. HAM QUESTION.
I, I THINK THE CARVE OUT IS FOR LIKE, FOR HISTORIC AREAS, BUT, UH, MRS. WALL IS, IS WORKING ON THAT.
SO THERE'LL BE LEGISLATION COMING DOWN THE PIKE THAT YOU'LL SEE.
AND IF YOU HAVE ANY IDEAS ABOUT LEGISLATION THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS WITH ME, POTENTIAL LEGISLATION, WE'RE IN THE PROCESS RIGHT NOW OF CRAFTING BILLS TO PRESENT IN JANUARY.
AND SO IF THERE IS SOMETHING SPECIFIC, UM, THAT YOU THINK IS POSSIBLE OR IF YOU JUST WANT TO TRY, WE ARE ALWAYS WILLING TO HEAR.
[D.2. Warren County Code Update/Revision ]
IS WARREN COUNTY CODE UPDATE AND REVISIONS.MR. BEAM EVENING, MADAM CHAIR AND BOARD SUPERVISORS, TO START WITH, I'M GOING TO GIVE YOU DOCUMENTS THAT'LL PERTAIN TO THIS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE RECEIVED ANYTHING AS OF YET.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU HAVE PERMISSION.
START WITH A LITTLE BIT OF LEVITY.
UM, I'M HERE TO HOPEFULLY CREATE PAPERWORK REDUCTION BY GIVING YOU A BUNCH OF PAPERS.
BUT ANYWAY, I, I'LL START OUT ACTUALLY WITH A QUESTION.
MR. SANDMEYER HAD ASKED AS FAR AS DELEGATE OATS, THE MANUFACTURING AND THE ADUS ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT BILLS.
AND SHE IS CORRECT IN THE FACT THAT IT IS FOR THE AFFORDABILITY PIECE.
I DON'T THINK THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE THE WAY THAT THEY'VE DONE THIS, BUT THAT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION.
SO, UH, WITH REGARDS TO THAT, IN REFERENCE TO WHAT MY REQUEST IS AS FAR AS UPDATE AND REVISION OF THE COUNTY CODE, I WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO REMOVE CHAPTER 1 67, 1 64 TRADES CERTIFICATIONS OUT OF THE COUNTY CODE.
MY REASONING FOR THAT IS, IS THAT BASICALLY THIS IS A MONEY ISSUE CHARGING CONTRACTORS, NOT CLASS A CONTRACTORS, CLASS B, CLASS C TRADESMEN, UH, FEES TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT IS ALREADY DONE THROUGH DOR.
BASICALLY IT IS A CERTIFICATION PROCESS THAT THE COUNTY PUT INTO EFFECT BACK IN 1998.
A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY, I HAVE ONE EMPLOYEE THAT'S BEEN HERE SINCE 1998 OR 1998.
I APOLOGIZE, I MISSPOKE ON THAT.
SO NINE YEARS AFTER THIS ONE EMPLOYEE HAS ONLY SEEN ONE OR TWO OF THESE LICENSES, CERTIFICATIONS GIVEN
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OUT TO THE COUNTY RESIDENTS.IN MY TENURE OF 22 YEARS, I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE.
WE HAVE NOT BEEN FOLLOWING WHAT THIS SAYS.
SO IF YOU LOOK THROUGH THIS ON, UH, PAGE ONE, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, YOU DO HAVE NUMBERS AT THE BOTTOM OF EACH OF THE PAGES.
THEY'RE HANDWRITTEN, BUT THEY ARE THERE SO THAT I COULD MAKE SURE THAT YOU KNEW WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT.
UM, IF YOU LOOK AT 1 64 FOR THE APPLICATION FEE, NOW THIS MAY HAVE BEEN APPROPRIATE FOR 89, BUT IT'S $10.
$10 WOULD NO IN NO WAY COVER WHAT'S ACTUALLY REQUIRED TO BE DONE WITHIN THIS.
AND AGAIN, THAT $10 IS ON TOP OF WHAT DEPORT DEPARTMENT OF PROFESSIONAL AND OCCUPATIONAL REGULATION IS ALREADY DOING.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE THOUGHT PROCESS WAS, AND I DO BELIEVE THAT ACTUALLY SHENANDOAH COUNTY DOES THIS BECAUSE MYSELF AS A CONTRACTOR, I LIVE IN SHENANDOAH COUNTY, THEY CHARGE ME EVERY YEAR A FEE TO GET A LITTLE CARD BY ACTUALLY ASKING ME TO SEND IN MY LICENSE THROUGH DOR.
SO BASICALLY THEY'RE DOING ALL THE WORK THAT THIS SAYS THAT I SHOULD BE DOING AS THE BUILDING OFFICIAL.
AND AGAIN, THAT'S AN ADDITIONAL $10.
THERE'S NOTHING REALLY THAT THAT'S GOING TO SATISFY, IT'S NOT GOING TO KEEP UNLICENSED CONTRACTORS FROM DOING ANYTHING.
SECONDLY, UM, LET ME LOOK BACK TO SEE WHICH PAGES I'M GOING TO REFERENCE.
IT'S GOING TO BE SEVEN, I'M SORRY, 5, 6, 7, AND NINE.
THOSE ARE THE STATE CODES THAT ARE REFERENCED IN 1 64 2 ENFORCING AGENCIES.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT, IT'S 36 99 OF THE STATE CODE AND 36 1 0 5 OF THE STATE CODE 36 99.
CURRENTLY, IF YOU LOOK AT IT, IS ACTUALLY FOR MODIFICATIONS TO THE CODE.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH TRADE CERTIFICATIONS.
UH, 36 1 0 5 IS THE APPEALS PROCESS, WHICH REALLY HAS NO BEARING ON WHAT THIS IS.
HOWEVER, THERE IS AN APPEAL SECTION WITHIN HERE, BUT IT DOESN'T GIVE ME THE AUTHORITY THROUGH THOSE CODE SECTIONS TO ACTUALLY ENFORCE WHAT'S BEING REQUIRED HERE.
SO, LONG STORY SHORT IS I WOULD PREFER, AND THIS IS SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO DECIDE, IS TO JUST ELIMINATE CHAPTER 1 64 TRADE CERTIFICATIONS AND DO AWAY WITH IT.
UM, IF THERE ARE OTHER OPTIONS OR OTHER CHOICES THAT THE BOARD HAS, I'M OPEN TO THAT.
BUT I WILL TELL YOU THAT IF WE CORRECT THE LANGUAGE TO ACTUALLY APPROPRIATELY IDENTIFY THIS PROCESS, IT'S GONNA BE A LOT MORE THAN $10.
IT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF A HUNDRED TO $150 BECAUSE OF ALL OF THE THINGS THAT ARE ACTUALLY REQUIRED NOW THAT WOULD GENERATE REVENUE.
I, I HAVE NO DOUBT ABOUT THAT.
I DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE THOUGH, TO CHARGE A CONTRACTOR AGAIN LOCALLY FOR SOMETHING THAT THEY'RE HAVING TO DO AT THE STATE LEVEL.
DOES YOUR DEPARTMENT EVER GET CALLS FROM, UH, RESIDENTS WONDERING IF A PARTICULAR TRADESMAN OR CONTRACTOR HAS A CERTIFICATION FROM THE COUNTY? WE DO.
WE TYPICALLY REFER THEM TO DOR, BUT WE CAN LOOK THAT UP.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE REQUIRE WHEN THEY COME INTO PULL A PERMIT, THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE THEIR CONTRACTOR'S LICENSE NUMBER.
IF THEY'RE DOING WORK AS A CONTRACTOR, WE REQUIRE THAT.
SO, AND IF THIS CHANGE HAPPENED, YOU WOULD JUST TELL THAT RESIDENT, UH, GO TO THE D POOR LICENSE LOOKUP WEBSITE AND YOU CAN CHECK FOR YOURSELF.
IF WE REMOVE THIS, WE'LL STILL DO THE EXACT SAME THING THAT WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW.
WE, WE WILL PROBABLY LOOK IT UP AS WELL, BUT WE'LL ALSO OFFER THAT UP SO THAT THEY HAVE THAT RESOURCE.
AND WE DO HAVE THAT LINK ON OUR WEBSITE TO GIVE PEOPLE THE OPTION TO GO TO DOR.
WELL, I KNOW WITH, EXCUSE ME, MY STATE LICENSE FOR NURSING, WHEREVER I WORKED, I WAS REQUIRED TO GIVE THEM A COPY.
DO DO YOU KEEP A COPY OR JUST GO TO THAT COMPUTER SITE? WHEN WE HAVE A PERMIT FOR A NEW CONTRACTOR, IT IS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT CONTACT.
SO WE COPY IT AND PUT IT INTO OUR SYSTEM.
AND IT ACTUALLY HAS A PROCESS TO ALERT US IF A CONTRACTOR COMES IN, APPLIES FOR IT, THAT IF IT'S EXPIRED, WE HAVE TO VERIFY THAT IT'S ACTUALLY RENEWED.
THAT'S, I MEAN, I, TO ME IT SOUNDS REASONABLE THAT IF THEY'VE ALREADY PAID FOR STATE CERTIFICATION AND PASSED EVERYTHING REQUIRED FOR THAT, UM, IT, IT, IT, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S JUST REDUNDANCY FOR THE COUNTY.
IT WAS, THIS WAS DONE AT A TIME WHERE DEPORT WASN'T AS EFFICIENT OR AS STRINGENT AS IT IS
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NOW.I DID NOT GO TO RESEARCH THE HISTORICAL ON THE 36 99 AND 3 6 1 0 5, BUT I BELIEVE THAT THAT WAS WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.
YEAH, IT, IT'S WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE.
I I I, IN FACT, I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS EXISTED.
UH, AND IT, IT'S OBVIOUSLY SOMETHING WE'RE NOT USING AND IT DOESN'T, UH, IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE 'CAUSE I THINK THE STATE, UH, CURRENTLY IS DOING A PRETTY GOOD JOB OF MAKING SURE THE BEST THEY CAN MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE GOT THE RIGHT CERTIFICATIONS AND LIKE THEY CHECK MINE ENOUGH.
SO
SO, UH, YEAH, I'D HAVE NO PROBLEM GETTING RID OF THIS OUT PART OF THE COUNTY CODE AT ALL.
NOW IF YOU'RE USING D ANYWAY, TO, TO VERIFY THEIR LICENSE NOW, I WILL LET YOU KNOW.
AND THIS IS PART OF, LET'S SEE, WHICH, THIS IS PART OF THE STATE CODE 54 1 1 17.
AND I BELIEVE, I DON'T KNOW IF I ACTUALLY INCLUDED THAT IN YOUR PACKET.
I WAS TRYING TO GET EVERYTHING TOGETHER LAST MINUTE.
UM, 1 54, 1, UH, 100 OR 1117 ACTUALLY ALLOWS FOR IF THE COUNTY OR JURISDICTION ADOPTS IT THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY PENALIZE CONTRACTORS AND OR, UH, TRADESMEN THAT FALSELY SAY THAT THEY'RE CERTIFIED, THAT THEY'RE LICENSED.
BUT WE'D HAVE TO FIND THAT OUT.
NOW WE CAN CHARGE THEM UP TO FIVE $2,500 OF A CIVIL PENALTY.
CIVIL PENALTIES REALLY, IT'S GOTTA GO THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEMS. WE'RE GONNA SPEND A LOT OF MONEY TO TRY TO GET THE $2,500 AND WE ALREADY GO AFTER CONTRACTORS AS MUCH AS WE CAN THAT AREN'T LICENSED.
AND WE DO LET CUSTOMERS KNOW THAT, LOOK, WHILE THEY TOLD YOU THAT YOU CAN SAVE 10 TO 15% BY YOU PULLING THE PERMIT, THERE'S PROBABLY A REASON THEY'RE SAVING YOU THE 10 TO 15% BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT LICENSED.
NOT ALWAYS, BUT THAT, THAT'S KIND OF THE GAME THAT WE SEE PLAYED.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? QUESTIONS? JUST ONE OR TWO QUICKLY.
UM, GLAD YOU FOUND THIS AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT.
BUT ARE THERE ANY OTHER REDUNDANCIES THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? AND I GUESS THAT WOULD BE THE WHOLE CODE.
I HAVE NOT SEEN ANYTHING AS OF YET.
I FOUND THIS A LITTLE WHILE BACK.
WE WERE LOOKING FOR SOME APPEALS BOARDS ISSUES AS FAR AS, UH, THE RE RE-UPPING AS FAR AS EVERYTHING, BECAUSE OUR, MY OFFICE ACTUALLY HAS, ONE OF THE MEMBERS OF MY OFFICE IS THE SECRETARY TO THE BOARD OF APPEALS FOR BUILDING CODES.
WHEN THERE WAS A QUESTION, I DID A SEARCH AS FAR AS, AND IT WAS ON APPEALS, AND I FOUND THE APPEALS AND I WAS LIKE, WHERE AND WHY IS IT HERE? AND I STARTED READING MORE AND I SAID THIS, UH, I'VE NEVER DONE IT.
PRIOR BUILDING OFFICIAL SPEEDY
AS FAR AS I KNOW NOW, HE MAY HAVE ISSUED SOME PRIOR TO, BUT AGAIN, MY ONE PERMIT TECHNICIAN SUPERVISOR THAT'S BEEN HERE SINCE 1998 SAID SHE HAD SEEN MAYBE TWO OR THREE OF THESE LICENSES IN HER TIMEFRAME, BUT SHE'S NEVER ISSUED ONE.
IS THAT ANYTHING? I KNOW WE HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO DO, BUT IS THAT SOMETHING TO GO THROUGH THE CODE PERIODICALLY? I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT WOULD BE APPROACHED TO REFORM, LIKE SOME LITTLE COMMITTEE OF SOME OF THE DEPARTMENT HEADS OR SOMETHING.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PROCESS WOULD BE.
'CAUSE I'M SURE IF THIS WAS DONE IN 89, THERE'S PROBABLY OTHER THINGS BEEN THERE EVEN FOR, UH, FURTHER BACK.
UM, I MEAN THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT I'VE FOUND THAT NEED TO BE FIXED.
THERE'S ALWAYS SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON, BUT YES.
THAT, THAT'S A GOOD BEST PRACTICE.
UM, AND THE ONLY OTHER THING IS DO WE HAVE TO HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS TO YEAH, IT'S A, IT'S A REPEAL OF AN ORDINANCE.
COULD YOU MAKE THAT DATE? SEPTEMBER 31ST PLEASE?
SCHEDULING IS ENTIRELY UNDER YOUR ALL'S PURVIEW AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
UH, I'LL BE CONCISE AT THAT POINT IN TIME SINCE WE'VE ALREADY GONE OVER IT AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
BUT I DID WANNA MAKE YOU AWARE OF IT.
AND I DO, UH, ALSO WANT TO LET YOU KNOW THAT ON THE CODE SECTION IT HAD BEEN UPDATED AT, LET ME THINK.
SO IT WAS LOOKED AT IN 2008, BUT I THINK THAT WAS DONE BY LEGAL AT THAT TIME, AND IT WAS
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BECAUSE OF CODE REFERENCES THAT HAD CHANGED.AND IF YOU LOOK, THAT IS PART OF THE 36 99 AND THE 36 1 0 5.
SO SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY IT HAS BEEN LOOKED AT.
I DID HAVE ONE OTHER REAL QUICK THING, WHICH YOU'VE HEARD DELEGATE OS AND QUESTIONING AND, AND MR. STAN MEYER DID TOO, BUT, AND I THINK I, IT'S ALREADY BEEN SAID THAT MS. WALL IS WORKING ON THIS TOO, AS FAR AS HB FOUR 18 AND I, WHEN YOU AND MS. WALL'S READY, I WOULD APPRECIATE COMING AND EXPLAINING SOME OF THOSE THINGS.
'CAUSE I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE THAT THIS MAY HAPPEN OR IT COULD HAPPEN OR IT WILL HAPPEN.
IT TOOK EFFECT JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR.
SO IT, IT IS THERE, IT IS STATE MANDATED.
THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE CAN DO TO STOP THAT AS FAR AS THAT GOES.
THERE WERE ATTEMPTS I, OR I SHOULDN'T SAY ATTEMPTS.
THERE WERE THIS DISCUSSION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION TO PUT STIPULATIONS ON HOW YOU REGULATE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLINGS BECAUSE IT SPECIFICALLY SAYS ANY PLACE A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING CAN BE PLACED, A MANUFACTURED HOME CAN BE PLACED.
THEY WERE TRYING TO LOOK AT POTENTIALLY CREATING A REQUIREMENT FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF CONSTRUCTION.
IT HAPPENED TO BE THAT THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT ROOF TRU PITCH AND HOWEVER, THE BUILDING CODE SPECIFICALLY SAYS YOU CANNOT REGULATE THE BUILDING CODE LOCALLY.
SO THEREFORE THAT PITCH, UH, KIND OF WOULD BE THROWN OUT.
I COULDN'T STOP A PERSON FROM BUILDING THAT BECAUSE IT DIDN'T MEET THAT PARTICULAR CRITERIA.
OH, IF IT'S PUBLIC HEARING, IT'D HAVE TO BE A NIGHT MEETING, SO IT'D BE NEXT MONTH BEFORE WE CAN DO THIS.
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COMMENT PERIOD, WHICH IS AN, UH, DEDICATED HOUR.EACH PERSON GETS THREE MINUTES TO SPEAK ON WHATEVER THEY WOULD LIKE.
UH, WE DO HAVE A LOT OF PUBLIC HEARINGS, SO IF YOU CAME TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING, YOU'LL GET THAT OPPORTUNITY WHEN EACH ONE IS, UM, BROUGHT UP.
SO, UM, THIS WOULDN'T BE THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO SPEAK ON A PUBLIC HEARING THAT'S IN THE, ON THE AGENDA.
ALL COMMENTS ARE TO BE DIRECTED TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, NOT TO THE AUDIENCE.
BE CONSIDERATE OF FELLOW SPEAKERS.
THERE SHOULD BE NO APPLAUSE, BOOING OR OTHER AUDIBLE DISRUPTION TO THE PROCEEDINGS.
AND THROUGH A SHOW OF HANDS, THE CHAIRMAN MAY ASK FOR A SHOW OF COMMENTS, SUPPORTIVE COMMENTS MADE BY SPEAKERS, UM, PLACARDS, POSTERS AND OTHER MEANS OF VISUAL DISPLAY OF COMMENTS ARE NOT ALLOWED UNLESS IT'S PART OF THE FACTUAL PRESENTATION OF A PUBLIC HEARING.
AND, UM, WE WOULD APPRECIATE NO PERSONAL ATTACKS ON ANYONE DURING ANY OF THE PROCEEDINGS.
AND, UM, I'VE NEVER HAD ANYBODY REMOVED, BUT DISRUPTION COULD CAUSE THAT.
UM, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES MA'AM.
AND WHEN YOU COME UP, IF YOU COULD JUST GIVE YOUR NAME AND THE DISTRICT YOU LIVE IN, JOHN, DIG, UH, THE REPORT, WHATEVER.
I'VE BEEN REVIEWING THAT THE LAST FEW MONTHS AND THERE THINGS THAT JUMP OUT AT ME.
I MEAN, I CAN MAKE A WHOLE LIST.
UH, RECENTLY HERE AT THE, UH, THE, UH, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT BEEN, UH, SPENT, UH, $38,000 FOR, UH, RED DOT SCOPE, I BELIEVE IT'S CALLED.
ANYWAY, I CONTACTED FEDERAL COUNTY AND, UH, THEIR PATROL OFFICERS CARRIED A STANDARD WEAPON AS DO THE VIRGINIA STATE POLICE.
SO I WAS KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHY WE NEED $38,000 WORTH OF THESE RED SCOPE, RED DOT, UH, SCOPES OR WHATEVER.
UH, USUALLY THAT'S FOR THE, UH, SWAT TEAMS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UH, ANOTHER THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME WAS THE, UH, VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE $5,700 FOR RESCUE TOOLS AND MAINTENANCE, ABOUT $800 JANITORIAL SUPPLIES THIS PAST MONTH.
AND THEN ONCE AGAIN, THE TAXPAYERS CONTINUE TO PAY FOR, UH, GYM MEMBERSHIP.
I'D JUST LIKE TO KNOW PUBLIC WORKS.
UH, $2,000 FOR RE FOR REMOTE CONTROL MOWERS REFUGE AND DISPOSAL, $2,000 FOR, UH, REMOTE MOWER, SNOWPLOW, PARKS AND REC $5,400 FOR LEADERSHIP TRAINING A MONTH OR SO AGO, IT WAS, UH, $9,000.
I DON'T QUITE UNDERSTAND WHY THE COUNTY IS PAYING FOR THAT TOURISM.
$6,000 FOR TWO GENERATORS FOR I THINK A ONE DAY EVENT, MAYBE TWO DAYS NOW.
I KNOW THAT, UH, RECENTLY PARKS AND REC BOUGHT A COUPLE GENERATORS THAT THEY NEEDED.
SINCE THEY'RE ALL IN THE COUNTY, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'D BE EASIER JUST TO GO BORROW THOSE GENERATORS FROM THAT DEPARTMENT.
INSTEAD OF SPENDING $6,000 FOR TWO MORE.
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UH, I, I COME TO THESE MEETINGS THAT TO RAISE ISSUES, I BELIEVE COULD CON CONTRIBUTE TO HIGHER TAXES WHERE THE SAMUEL'S LIBRARY AND THE DATA CENTER CONTROVERSIES THE ROOM WAS FILLED WITH SPEAKERS.UM, YET ONLY ABOUT 20 PEOPLE SHOWED UP FOR THE, UH, TAX INCREASE LAST YEAR.
I THOUGHT, 'CAUSE SOME PEOPLE, AND THEY SAID, YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T WANNA WASTE THEIR TIME 'CAUSE THEY, THEY FELT THAT SPEAKING ABOUT THE TAXES AND THE INCREASE, THEY WOULDN'T ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING.
SO PART OF THE, UH, THE NEW, UH, CODE OR WHATEVER THE, THE SUPERVISOR'S CODE, UM, THE DAILY MANAGERS OF THE COUNTY'S DEPARTMENTS AND OFFICES IS DELEGATED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR AS DESCRIBED BY THE BOARD.
SO THAT MEANS THAT THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR SORT OF RESPONSIBLE FOR MONITORING THE, I SAY THE SPENDING.
SO, YOU KNOW, THE LAST YEAR'S BUDGET WAS $93 MILLION.
IF YOU COULD HAVE SAVED 1% A PENNY OUT OF EVERY DOLLAR, THAT'D BEEN $930,000 THAT COULD HAVE BEEN USED FOR SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA BE NEEDED HERE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE.
IF YOU GIVE YOU CERTAIN $10 MILLION TO SPEND IN THAT DEPARTMENT, THEY WANNA SPEND IT BELLS AND WHISTLES.
YOU KNOW, BUY THE THINGS THAT ARE NEEDED AND BE DONE WITH IT AND TRY TO SAVE THE MONEY.
IT'S, MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, IT WAS GOOD SEEING YOU TODAY, CHERYL, AT THE TRIAD.
AND I INVITE ALL THE SUPERVISORS TO VISIT THE SENIOR CENTER SOMETIME TO HAVE LUNCH WITH THE SENIORS OR HELP SERVE MEALS.
UM, THEY LOVE COMPANY AND IT'S A GOOD WAY TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR, WHAT THEIR CONCERNS ARE.
UH, 'CAUSE THEY WILL TELL YOU
UM, THE OTHER THING, UH, THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT POLICIES, UH, THERE, THERE ARE A LOT OF THEM COMING OUT.
UH, BUT I WAS VERY HAPPY TO SEE WHEN I LOOK AT DIFFERENT COUNTIES AROUND US, THAT WE ARE ACTUALLY COMING UP TO STANDARDS OF WHAT EVERYBODY ELSE OFFERS.
I FEEL LIKE IF THERE'S LESS RESISTANCE HERE, UH, BUSINESS MAY ACTUALLY COME AND COME HERE TO WITHOUT ALL OF THE, THE RED TAPE.
MY ONE CONCERN WAS REALLY THE, UM, THE WATER ISSUE.
UM, IT LOOKED LIKE THERE WEREN'T ANY LIMITS ON HOW OFTEN THAT 200,000 GALLONS COULD BE.
COULD SOMEBODY JUST KEEP SAYING, OKAY, I NEED A TWO, ANOTHER 200, ANOTHER 200 ANOTHER, ANOTHER 200, AND IS THERE, UM, A QUARTERLY REPORT OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SAY, OKAY, WHO'S REQUESTING ALL THIS WATER? WHY IS THIS BEING DONE SO OFTEN OR THERE ARE LIMITATIONS HERE? IS IT A ONE SHOT? UM, THE OTHER THING IS THE SOCIAL MEDIA POLICY.
I'M JUST LIKE FLABBERGASTED THAT I, THERE'S A LOT THAT I HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR FOR TWO YEARS, TWO AND A HALF YEARS NOW.
AND, UM, I SEE A LOT OF IT COME THROUGH.
UM, IN FACT, I EVEN SAW THE SCOPE WAS EXTENDED TO JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY, INCLUDING YOURSELVES AS ELECTED OFFICIALS.
IT WASN'T JUST AN EMPLOYEE STAFF ISSUE.
UM, AND IT DID EXTEND TO VOLUNTEERS AND APPOINTEES, WHICH IS ANOTHER THING I KEPT BRINGING UP.
UH, THERE IS ONE CONCERN I DO HAVE IN THAT I DO SEE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, THERE'S A CHAIN OF COMMAND.
BUT IN BOTH, IN ONE INSTANCE THERE WERE QUESTIONS THAT WENT UP TO THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, BUT IT CAME DOWN AND SAID, GO AHEAD.
AND THEN ADDITIONAL THINGS WERE DELETED.
THE OTHER SITUATION WHEN I REQUESTED INFORMATION, THE, THAT, THAT APPOINTEE JUST WENT AHEAD AND JUST DELETED EVERYBODY.
AND THERE WAS NOTHING WHEN I REQUESTED INFORMATION ABOUT WHY THAT HAD HAPPENED.
SO THOSE TWO THINGS ARE, ARE NOT DOCUMENTED.
UM, SO THERE NEEDS TO BE SOMETHING THAT SAYS, OKAY, IF, IF SOMETHING GOT DELETED, WE NEED TO KNOW WHY.
NOW, IF THERE'S A BIG DELUGE OF LIKE TONS AND TONS OF COMMENTS, 20 OR SO, MAYBE A HUNDRED OR SO, JUST PUT A DATE AND WHY, WHAT WAS GOING ON? UM, BASICALLY THERE, THERE ISSUES THERE AND THAT WAS MY MAIN CONCERN IS WE, WE HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS THAT ARE BEING DELETED AND NO REASON AS TO WHY WHEN I MADE MY REQUEST, UM, BECAUSE I DIDN'T JUST REQUEST THE COMMENTS.
I REQUESTED WHY THEY WERE DELETED AND THAT'S WHERE I, I RAN INTO PROBLEMS FIGURING OUT THE WHY.
UM, SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I'LL SEE YOU LATER,
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS.
MA'AM, WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? I SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL? ALL RIGHT, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR
[F.1. CUP2026-06-01 - Short-Term Tourist Rental - 339 River Oak Drive - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 339 River Oak Drive and is identified on tax map 35B, section 3, as lot H. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the South River Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director ]
PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE FIRST IS[00:45:01]
CUP 2026 DASH OH SIX DASH OH ONE.IT'S A SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 3 39 RIVER OAK DRIVE, AND IT'S REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE, UM, FOR SHORT TERM RENTAL.
THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT 3 39 RIVER OAK DRIVE AND IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 35 B.
SECTION C IS LOT H IT'S UM, IN ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IS LOCATED IN SOUTH RIVER DIS MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, UH, JUST ONE MINOR CORRECTION, IT'S 35 B SECTION THREE PARCEL H.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL TO PROVIDE A HIGH QUALITY, ARCHITECTURALLY SIGNIFICANT LODGING EXPERIENCE THAT CELEBRATES THE NATURAL BEAUTY OF WARREN COUNTY WHILE CONTRIBUTING TO THE LOCAL ECONOMY.
THE OWNERS, ALONG WITH THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL PROCESS.
THE DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 2026 AND NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY SEVEN ACTIVE AND APPROVED SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS.
IN THE SUBJECTS SUBDIVISION, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN HAS BEEN PROVIDED AND REVIEWED BY PLANNING STAFF.
THE PROPERTY MANAGER IS LOCATED 21.6 MILES FROM THE PROPERTY.
A REQUEST FOR COMMENTS WAS SUBMITTED TO THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION AT RIVER OAK WHO EXPRESSED THEIR GRATITUDE FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE COMMENTS AND REQUEST ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS THAT PROHIBIT RENTERS FROM FLYING DRONES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT RENTERS MAINTAIN QUIET HOURS FROM 10:00 PM TO 8:00 AM AND THAT RENTERS ABIDE BY THE SPEED LIMIT OF 15 MILES PER HOUR.
THE DWELLING MEETS THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT TO ADJACENT SINGLE FAMILIES WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 429 FEET TO THE WEST.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON JULY 8TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. SSIS, SECOND BY MR. GORDON.
AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FOUR TO ZERO, THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED TO FORWARD THE A, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, THEY RECOMMENDED ADDED CONDITIONS NUMBER FIVE, SIX, AND SEVEN.
THE NEWSPAPER DID NOT PUBLISH THE AD THE SECOND TIME AS REQUESTED AND AS REQUIRED BY LAW AS ONE AD DID RUN.
WE SUGGEST AT THE TIME TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS THAT ANYONE PRESENT WHO WANTED TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION BE HEARD, TO WHICH THE CHAIR PROVIDED AT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MEETING.
FOLLOWING THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATIONS STAFFED, OBTAIN ADDITIONAL LEGAL GUIDANCE REGARDING PROPOSED CONDITION NUMBER FIVE, WHICH WOULD PROHIBIT TRANSIENT GUESTS FROM LAUNCHING, LANDING, OR OPERATING DRONES ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.29263 GENERALLY PROHIBITS LOCALITIES FROM REGULATING THE USE OF PRIVATELY OWNED UNMANNED AIRCRAFT SYSTEMS. THE LIMITED AUTHORITY GRANTED TO LOCALITIES APPLIES ONLY TO TAKEOFFS AND LANDINGS ON PROPERTY OWNED BY THE LOCALITY AND REQUIRES A SEPARATE ORDINANCE OR REGULATION ADOPTED IN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION REQUIREMENTS.
BECAUSE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS PRIVATELY OWNED, THE COUNTY DOES NOT HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO IMPOSE OR ENFORCE THE PROPOSED RESTRICTION THROUGH THIS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
STAFF THEREFORE RECOMMENDS THAT CONDITION NUMBER FIVE BE REMOVED.
AS I MENTIONED EARLIER ON ITS REGULAR MEETING AUGUST 18TH, 2026, ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. STEINMEYER, SECONDED BY MR. HENRY.
AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS MOVED TO TABLE THIS APPLICATION UNTIL THE FOLLOWING REGULAR MEETING, SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2026, TO ALLOW THE PUBLIC HEARING TO BE PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
WITH THAT BEING SAID, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS IN VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
NUMBER TWO, THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLINE COLIFORM BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
TRANSIENT GUESTS SHALL OBSERVE QUIET HOURS BETWEEN 10:00 PM AND 8:00 AM DURING THESE HOURS.
NOISE GENERATED FROM THE PROPERTY SHALL NOT UNREASONABLY DISTURB NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND FINALLY, NUMBER SEVEN, TRANSIENT GUESTS SHALL COMPLY WITH THE SPEED LIMIT OF 15 MILES PER HOUR WHILE TRAVELING THROUGH THE RIVER OAK SUBDIVISION.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT COULD NOT BE WITH US THIS EVENING, BUT I AM AVAILABLE IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. WALL AT THIS TIME? OKAY, JUST BACK TO THE DRONE QUESTION REAL QUICK.
UH, I I NOTICED THAT IN THE HOA FEEDBACK THAT WAS ONE OF THEIR CONCERNS.
SO IF WE REMOVE THE CONDITION, DOES THE HOA STILL HAVE? IF IT'S IN THEIR OWN COVENANTS, THEY STILL CAN ENFORCE IT IF THEY WANT TO, BUT IT'S ON THEM, RIGHT? UH, I WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MR. HAM CONFIRM, BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE ANYBODY
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HAS THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE WHAT A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER DOES ON THEIR PROPERTY IN THIS EVENT.BUT MR. HAM, CAN YOU, I I'LL TELL YOU PROB I DON'T KNOW IS THE ANSWER WHETHER OR NOT AN HOA COULD DO THAT? I'D SAY PROBABLY NOT BASED ON WHAT I SAW, BUT PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, YOU KNOW, THIS COVENANTS ARE DONE YEARS AGO WHEN THE SUBDIVISION IS FIRST DEVELOPED, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE IN THERE.
MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? NO, MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING? SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK THIRD AND FINAL? OKAY, I'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING.
UH, IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION ON THIS? OH, I'D JUST LIKE TO MENTION THAT, EXCUSE ME, THAT I, I THINK IT'S SO INTERESTING HOW THE, UH, CUP PROCESS HAS EVOLVED OVER THE YEARS FROM, YOU KNOW, 10, 12 YEARS AGO PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHEN THIS THING FIRST CAME ABOUT, YOU KNOW, UH, ATVS WERE A BIG DEAL AND THEN IT WAS FIREARMS AND THEN, UH, THE DRONE THING, I WOULD'VE, YOU KNOW, 10 YEARS AGO, NO, IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE BEEN A DISCUSSION.
UH, CURRENTLY THE STATE'S NOT LETTING US DO ANYTHING, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE, BUT I'D JUST BE CURIOUS IN THE YEARS TO COME, YOU KNOW, HEY, YOU KNOW, THERE'LL BE SOME, BE SOME MANDATES OR, OR CODE FOR DRONES AND THEN, UH, AND IT'S HARD TO SAY WHAT THE NEXT INVENTION WILL BE THAT WE'LL, YOU KNOW, HAVE TO TRY TO PUT SOME PARAMETERS ON FOR, UH, PUBLIC WELLNESS.
I, I, I JUST THINK IT'S INTERESTING HOW THE DYNAMIC HAS CHANGED ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I HAD, OH, GO AHEAD.
I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 2026 DASH OH SIX DASH OH ONE FOR SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION WITH CONDITION NUMBER FIVE REMOVED AS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF.
[F.2. CUP2026-07-01 - Short Term Tourist Rental - 285 Dry Run Court - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 285 Dry Run Court and is identified on tax map 15C, section 1, block 6, as lot 32. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Shenandoah Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director ]
IS CUP 2026 DASH OH SEVEN DASH OH ONE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL 2 85 DRIVE RUN COURT AND, UH, IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 15 C SECTION ONE BLOCK SIX.IS THAT STILL LOT NUMBER 32 OR PARCEL LOT? UM, AND THIS IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND IS LOCATED IN THE SHENANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MRS. WALL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR A SHORT, SHORT-TERM TAURIST RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY.
SHE RECENTLY CONSTRUCTED THAT WILL ULTIMATELY BECOME HER RETIREMENT HOME.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE THE DWELLING AVAILABLE FOR OCCASIONAL SHORT-TERM RENTAL WHILE NOT IN USE HERSELF AND HER FAMILY IN HOPES OF OFFSETTING THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE SECOND HOME.
MR. LAZAR WILL SERVE AS THE LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER RESIDING LESS THAN 30 MILES AWAY FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IN WARREN COUNTY.
THERE ARE 10 APPROVED AND ACTIVE SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTALS IN THE SUBDIVISION SECTION.
RIVERVIEW, THERE IS A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF FOUR OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, THERE IS A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER THAT HAS BEEN HIRED BY THE APPLICANT, SHENANDOAH FARMS HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION PROVIDED NO COMMENTS REGARDING THIS CUP APPLICATION.
THE CLOSEST DWELLING IS 131 FEET TO THE WEST.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON AUGUST 12TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. SISE, SECONDED BY MR. BARNHART AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED TO FORWARD THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL.
DURING DISCUSSION WITH THE APPLICANT, THE PLANNING COMMISSION ASKED WHETHER THE APPLICANT WOULD BE WILLING TO INSTALL A NOISE MONITOR ON THE PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT DID AGREE ALTHOUGH THE NOISE MONITOR WAS NOT INCLUDED AS A CONDITION IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION'S.
RECOMMENDATION PLANNING STAFF RECOMMENDS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS INCLUDES THE INSTALLATION AND MAINTENANCE OF A NOISE MONITOR AS AN ADDITIONAL CONDITION ALONG WITH THE OTHER FOUR RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
AS SUCH, PLANNING COMMISSION PLANNING STAFF RECOMMEND THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY IS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECO AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS ARE TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS.
NUMBER FOUR, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED ANNUALLY AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT, A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.
AND FINALLY, THE PROPERTY OWNER SHALL INSTALL AND MAINTAIN AN OPERATIONAL NOISE MONITORING DEVICE ON THE
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PROPERTY DURING ALL PERIODS OF SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL OCCUPANCY.THE DEVICE SHALL BE USED TO MONITOR NOISE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SHORT-TERM TAURUS RENTAL AND ASSIST IN DEMONSTRATING COMPLIANCE WITH THE NO NOISE REQUIREMENTS OF CHAPTER 1 23 OF THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANTS ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
IF YOU HAVE ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS, WOULD THE APPLICANTS LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? THANK YOU.
UM, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. WALL? IF NOT, MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK? UH, YES MA'AM.
WYATT BATES, I'D LIKE TO START BY SAYING THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME BEING HERE.
UH, MYSELF AND SEVERAL RESIDENTS OF THE ROAD I LIVE AT TWO 80 DIRECTLY ACROSS THE ROAD FROM THEM, HAVE HAD SEVERAL CONCERNS.
DURING THE CONSTRUCTION OF THIS BUILDING, I HAD MY DITCH TORE UP REPEATEDLY, BROUGHT IT UP TO THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR REPEATEDLY, YOU NEED TO FIX THIS BECAUSE IT'S GONNA FLOW WATER OVER THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY.
I KNOW THEY SAW ME OUT THERE WITH A RAKE AND A SHOVEL BECAUSE HE REFUSED TO DO IT AND KEPT SAYING THE COUNTY WILL DO IT.
YOU KNOW, IT HAPPENED TWO MONTHS AFTER THE HOUSE WAS DONE BEING BUILT.
UM, I'VE HAD SEVERAL DELIVERY TRUCKS PULL INTO MY DRIVEWAY AND IT'S A GOOD THING I'M AN HONEST PERSON 'CAUSE I COULD HAVE HAD A FREE DECK FROM LOWE'S.
SO MY ADDRESS WAS USED FOR DELIVERIES WITHOUT PERMISSION.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY DECIDED THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA.
AND THEN THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR WAS ASKING THE OTHER NEIGHBORS IF THEY KNEW I WAS CRAZY BECAUSE I WAS UPSET ABOUT THE DITCH BEING TORE UP, WHICH I'VE BEEN CALLED WORSE BY BETTER.
UM, AND I'M KIND OF CURIOUS AS TO WHETHER HE'D LIKE SOMEBODY DOING THAT IN FRONT OF HIS HOUSE, TEARING UP THE DITCH AND POTENTIALLY MESSING UP THE END OF HIS DRIVEWAY.
UM, MY HOUSE, I HAVE TWO KIDS UNDER 10.
ONE WHO IS SEVERELY SPECIAL NEEDS SEVERELY AUTISTIC.
THE PERSON NEXT TO ME HAS 312.
THE OTHER GENTLEMAN SITTING NEXT TO ME HAS TWO UNDER FIVE.
THE WOMAN NEXT TO HIM HAS TWO UNDER FIVE.
AND I JUST WORRY, I GET TOURISM IS GOOD FOR FRONT ROYAL, BUT THE VEIN TAURUS TRAP OUT WHERE I AM.
IT'S A HALF MILE AS THE CROW FLIES TO THE RIVER.
AND WHAT'S THE RIVER BRING? PEOPLE DRINKING ON THE RIVER AND THEN DRIVING UP AND DOWN THE ROAD.
PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH, HARD ENOUGH TIME FOLLOWING THE SPEED LIMIT AND YOU ADD ALCOHOL TO THE MIX.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT TO BE A GOOD THING.
I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THEIR SAFETY.
AND ACCORDING TO THE WARREN COUNTY GOVERNMENT WEBSITE, AS FAR AS THE ADVERTISING IS CONCERNED, SIGNAGE SHOULD BE PUT UP 15 DAYS BEFORE THE FIRST PUBLIC HEARING BY THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ONLY TO BE TAKEN DOWN BY THE COUNTY OFFICIAL AND SHALL BE MAINTAINED BY THE APPLICANT UNTIL THE HEARINGS HAVE CONCLUDED, INCLUDING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
THAT SIGN CAME DOWN TWO DAYS AFTER THE FIRST HEARING HAS NOT BEEN UP FOR OVER A MONTH.
THAT'S PRETTY MUCH ALL I'VE GOT.
THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR SIGNUPS, MA'AM.
WHAT? ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS SECOND CALL? ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? UH, I HAVE A QUESTION MAYBE FOR MR. HAM AGAIN, IF IT'S ACCURATE THAT THE SIGN WAS TAKEN DOWN.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT, THAT THIS HEARING NEEDS TO BE READVERTISED? YES.
UM, I WAS LOOKING FOR THAT CODE SECTION THAT'S NOT REQUIRED AT STATE LAW.
AND SO I WAS LOOKING TO SEE MRS. WALL, DO YOU KNOW THE SITE IN OUR COUNTY CODE? I AM ALSO LOOKING, IT'S WELL WITHIN OUR REQUIREMENTS.
GIMME JUST A MOMENT WHILE THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT.
UM, I THINK AT THE, THE PUBLIC FROM THE YEARS I'VE BEEN ON THIS BOARD HAS, HAS OFTEN WONDERED WHAT, WHAT IS IT THAT SOMETIMES IT'S YES, SOMETIMES IT'S NO.
AND, UM, I'VE HAD TROUBLE OVER THE YEARS SOMETIMES DISCERNING THESE THINGS, TRYING NOT TO PUT IT ON AUTOPILOT.
BUT, UM, FROM MY POINT OF VIEW, UH, WHEN THERE ARE, WHEN THERE ARE SEVERAL, LIKE MULTIPLE, MULTIPLE PEOPLE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT ARE GONNA BE TROUBLED BY IT, UH, THAT'S INFLUENTIAL TO ME.
UM, WHEN I WAS WASN'T ON THE BOARD ONE TIME I WAS DEALING WITH A CUP AND UM, I LOOKED UP SOME, SOME, SOME OF THE PAPERWORK IN THE COUNTY THAT TALKED ABOUT BEING FOR THE GENERAL, UH, PO YOU KNOW, SOMETHING, I WISH I COULD QUOTE IT NOW, BUT SOMETHING ABOUT, UH, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS BEING FOR THE, FOR THE, UH, THE BENEFIT OF, OF THE COMMUNITY.
UM, AND SO I'M, THAT IS INFLUENTIAL TO ME.
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UM, THAT'S ALL, THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'M GONNA BASICALLY SAYING THAT WHEN, WHEN THIS MANY LETTERS OF CONCERN AND OPPOSITION ARE CLOSE BY, THAT'S, IT'S INFLUENTIAL TO THE WAY I ASSESS THESE THINGS.AND THAT'S SOMETHING I JUST WOULD LIKE TO PEOPLE TO KNOW.
THAT SOUND LIKE THE CONSTRUCTION WAS PRETTY, PRETTY TOUGH ON THE NEIGHBORS.
WAS THE THE GENERAL CONTRACTOR AND THE OWNER THE SAME PERSON? NO.
THERE IS A POSTING REQUIREMENT FOR 15 DAYS AND I, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT THAT WAS COMPLIED WITH.
UM, THE NEIGHBOR WAS TELLING US THAT IT WASN'T AND THERE'S NO REASON TO DISBELIEVE THAT.
SO MY RECOMMENDATION, BUT CAN YOU CONFIRM THAT THE SIGN WAS POSTED? I PUT IT THERE MYSELF.
YOU KNOW, IT WASN'T, DIDN'T IT WENT, IT WENT AWAY.
UM, IT IS NOT SPECIFIC THAT IT SAYS THE SIGN HAS TO STAY THERE, BUT I THINK THAT'S IMPLIED.
I THINK WE MIGHT TABLE THIS AND, AND RE ADVERTISE.
DO I YOU REFER TO 180 61 E POSTING OF PROPERTY.
MAINTENANCE AND REMOVAL OF SIGNS.
ANY SIGN ERECTED IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE MAINTAINED AT ALL TIMES BY THE APPLICANT UP TO THE TIME OF THE HEARINGS.
IT SHALL BE UNLAWFUL FOR ANY PERSON EXCEPT THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR OR HIS AUTHORIZED AGENT TO REMOVE OR TAMPER WITH ANY SIGN DURING THE PERIOD.
IT IS REQUIRED TO BE MAINTAINED UNDER THIS SECTION.
ALL SIGNS UNDER THIS ARTICLE SHALL BE RETURNED TO THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR BY THE APPLICANT WITHIN 15 DAYS FOLLOWING ACTION BY THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.
SO, YEAH, I I MY RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT WE DON'T OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING SINCE WE DIDN'T PROPERLY ADVERTISE IT.
I GUESS WE ALREADY DID, BUT THAT WE, UH, BASICALLY CONTINUE THE PUBLIC HEARING UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT CAN BE PROPERLY ADVERTISED, INCLUDING NOTICE AND A APPRECIATE THE NEIGHBOR FOR BRINGING THAT TO OUR ATTENTION.
CAN I TAKE RESEND THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LET ANYBODY ELSE SPEAK 'CAUSE YOU KNOW, PEOPLE COME OUT AND WANT TO TALK TO YOU, BUT THEN WE'LL HAVE ANOTHER PUBLIC HEARING.
SO WE HAVE CLOSED IT, BUT THE MOTION NOW WILL BE TO, OH, I'M, I, I APOLOGIZE.
UM, I WOULD SUGGEST YOU MOVE TO TABLE IT UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT'S PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
IS THERE A MOTION TO THAT EFFECT? YEAH.
UM, CUP 20 26 0 7 DASH OH ONE, UH, UNTIL SUCH TIME AS IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
UM, SO THAT'LL HAVE TO BE READVERTISED REPOSTED AND IT'LL BE AN ENTIRE PUBLIC HEARING FROM START TO FINISH.
WELL, WE'RE GONNA GO LOOK AND SEE WHAT WE DO WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY THE SAME RULES WITH REGARD TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
SO IT'LL AT LEAST BE IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, MAYBE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION TOO.
DO SO THE SIGN WAS NOT RETURNED TO YOU? NO.
MOST USUALLY WE GO BACK OUT AND COLLECT AFTER ACTION HAS BEEN TAKEN BY THE BOARD.
SOMETIMES ON OCCASION YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO RETURN THEM, BUT MOST USUALLY WE'RE OUT COLLECTING THEM.
OKAY, WELL JUST FOR EVERYONE, ONCE THE SIGN IS PLACED UNTIL THE PUBLIC HEARING'S OVER, MAKE SURE IT SITS THERE
[F.3. CUP2026-07-02 - Private-Use Camping - 0 Rivermont Acres Road - A request for a conditional use permit for private use camping. The property is located at 0 Rivermont Acres Road and is identified on tax map 19F1 section 1 as lot 16C. The property is zoned Residential-One (R-1) and is located in the Fiddlers Green Subdivision in the Fork Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director ]
ON TO THE NEXT PUBLIC HEARING.THAT'S CUP 2026 DASH OH SEVEN DASH OH TWO.
PRIVATE USE CAMPING, ZERO RIVERMONT ACRES ROAD.
UH, REQUEST FOR CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE, UH, USE CAMPING.
THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED AT ZERO RIVERMONT ACRES IDENTIFIED ON TAX MAP 19 F1 SECTION ONE AS LOT 16 C'S UH, ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE.
IT IS LOCATED IN THE FIDDLER'S GREEN SUBDIVISION FORK DISTRICT, UM, MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MRS. WALL.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING ON THEIR LOT
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IN THE FIDDLER'S GREEN SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS LOCATED IN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA.THE APPLICANT'S PURCHASED THE PROPERTY IN NOVEMBER OF 2024 ALONG WITH THREE ADJOINING PARCELS THAT ARE NOT THE SUBJECT OF THIS APPLICATION.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO USE PARCEL 16 C FOR CAMPING DURING THE SUMMER SEASON WITH FAMILY.
THERE ARE CURRENTLY FOUR OTHER ACTIVE CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING ALONG RIVERMONT ACRES ROAD PRIVATE USE CAMPING NON-COMMERCIAL IS DEFINED BY THE WARREN COUNTY ZONING ORDINANCE AS NO MORE THAN TWO MAJOR RECREATIONAL VEHICLES USED FOR LIVING, SLEEPING, OR OTHER OCCUPANCY ON ANY LOT OR COMBINATION OF LOTS UNDER ONE OWNERSHIP.
PROVIDED THAT SUCH USE IS LIMITED TO THE OWNER, FAMILY MEMBERS OR GUEST AND NO FEE IS CHARGED FOR CAMPING.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON AUGUST 12TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. BARNHART, SECONDED BY MR. GORDON AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED FORWARD.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL PLANNING.
STAFF RECOMMENDS THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS BE ADDED.
SHOULD YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
MATERIALS ASSOCIATED WITH THE CAMPERS ARE TO BE STORED IN A NEAT AND ORDERLY FASHION DURING THE TIME OF USE AND ARE TO BE REMOVED FROM THE SITE.
WHEN NOT IN USE, ANY DEVELOPMENT STRUCTURE OR FENCING WITHIN THE SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA SHALL REQUIRE A BUILDING AND ZONING PERMIT.
AND LASTLY, THE APPLICANT SHALL POST THE PROPERTY WITH A LOT PARCEL NUMBER FOR FIRE AND EMERGENCY RESCUE SERVICES AND HAVE AN EMERGENCY EGRESS PLAN FOR APPROVAL OF THE RECREATIONAL VEHICLES AND PORTABLE COMMODE PRIOR TO A PREDICTED FLOOD EVENT.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED YEP.
THE APPLICANT IS HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK SIR, AT THIS TIME WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? NO.
UM, ANY QUESTION FOR MRS. WALL AT THIS POINT? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
MR. HENDERSON, HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 26 0 7 0 2 FOR PRIVATE USE CAMPING WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[F.4. CUP2026-07-03 - Short Term Tourist Rental - 1716 Ridgeway Road - A request for a conditional use permit for a short-term tourist rental. The property is located at 1716 Ridgeway Road and is identified on tax map 18 as lot 71. The property is zoned Agricultural (A) and is located in the Fork Magisterial District. - Kelly Wahl , Planning Director]
DASH OH SEVEN DASH OH THREE SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL 1716 RIDGEWAY ROAD.THE PROPERTY'S LOCATED 1716 RIDGEWAY ROAD AND ON TAX MAP 18 IS LOT 71 ZONED AGRICULTURAL AND IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT MRS. WALL WE'RE ALMOST THERE GUYS.
THE APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT FOR SHORT TERM TAURUS RENTAL FOR THE PROPERTY ACQUIRED EARLIER THIS YEAR.
THE APPLICANT STATES THE PROPERTY IS WELL SUITED FOR FAMILY ORIENTED LODGING DUE TO ITS SIZE, NATURAL BUFFERING AND LAYOUT.
THE APPLICANT INTENDS TO MARKET THE PROPERTY AS A HOME BASE FOR VISITORS EXPLORING WARREN COUNTY AND THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY WHILE PROMOTING LOCAL BUSINESSES AND ATTRACTIONS.
THE APPLICANT FURTHER STATES THAT A PROFESSIONAL PROPERTY MANAGER WILL OVERSEE ALL ASPECTS OF THE RENTAL OPERATION AND THAT OPERATIONAL MEASURES WILL BE IMPLEMENTED TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACTS ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
THE DWELLING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1987 AND NO ZONING VIOLATIONS HAVE BEEN RECORDED FOR THE PROPERTY.
THERE'S A HEALTH DEPARTMENT OPERATION PERMIT APPROVING A MAXIMUM OF SIX OCCUPANTS FOR THE THREE BEDROOM DWELLING.
THE APPLICANT HAS A LOCAL PROPERTY MANAGER THAT RESIDES 17.6 MILES FROM THE SUBJECT PROPERTY.
THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN A SUBDIVISION GOVERNED BY AN HOA OR A POA AND THE DWELLING MEETS THE MINIMUM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS WITH THE CLOSEST DWELLING BEING 562 FEET TO THE NORTH.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION HELD A PUBLIC HEARING FOR THIS ITEM ON AUGUST 12TH, 2026 ON A MOTION MADE BY MR. KIS, SECONDED BY MR. GORDON AND BY THE FOLLOWING VOTE OF FIVE TO ZERO THE PLANNING COMMISSION MOVED FORWARD.
THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPLICATION TO THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WITH THE RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL WITH THE RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS.
NUMBER ONE, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, WARREN COUNTY BUILDING INSPECTIONS AND VIRGINIA STATEWIDE FIRE PREVENTION CODE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED THE SYSTEM CAPACITY AS DETERMINED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT PERMIT PER WARREN COUNTY CODE SUBSECTION 180 DASH 56.4 B.
AND THE CERTIFICATE OF ZONING SHALL ONLY BE ISSUED WITH APPROVED HEALTH DEPARTMENT RECORDS.
NUMBER THREE, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE WELL WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR E COLI AND COLIFORM BACTERIA AND A COPY OF THOSE RESULTS PROVIDED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENT.
AND LASTLY, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THE SEPTIC SYSTEM SERVICED EVERY FIVE YEARS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT AND A COPY OF THE SERVICE INVOICES TO BE PROVIDED TO PLANNING STAFF.
THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED.
ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS NOTIFIED THE APPLICANT AND HIS PROPERTY MANAGER ARE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING.
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QUESTIONS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME, SIR? UH, NO MA'AM, BUT NOT ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ASK.ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT OR MS. WALL AT THIS TIME? ONE ACTUALLY JUST THE, THE FACT THAT THIS PROPERTY IS ADJACENT TO THE AIRPORT.
I DON'T KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY SPECIAL CONSIDERATIONS THAT YOU HAVE FOR THAT.
I'M, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S SECURE FENCING AND, AND EVERYTHING, UH, THAT WOULD SEPARATE THEM, BUT WE MIGHT DEFER TO MR. BARRY IF HE IS AVAILABLE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT SURROUNDS THAT EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, ON THE AIRPORT, AS YOU CAN SEE IT IS DIRECTLY TO THE SOUTH OF THE DWELLING.
I DON'T REALLY SEE ANY ISSUES THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? IF NOT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE, MR. ANDERSON? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION? TAKE A MOTION.
I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT NUMBER 20 26 0 7 0 3 FOR A SHORT-TERM TOURIST RENTAL WITH THE CONDITIONS AS RECOMMENDED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND STAFF.
[F.5. Lease of County-Owned Property located at 229 Stokes Airport Road to Skydive Front Royal - Mike Berry, Public Works Director]
OWNED PROPERTY LOCATED AT 2 29 SPRING AIRPORT ROAD TO SKYDIVE FRONT ROYAL.MR. BERRY, I TRADE BECAUSE I BE UP HERE FOR A LITTLE BIT TOO.
BOARD MEMBERS, RELATIVELY SIMPLE.
UH, COUNTY LEASE PROPERTY LOCATED STATES, BAY JUST GOT, THEY CURRENTLY OCCUPY THE SPACE IN THE TERMINAL THAT COLLECT OPERATIONS APPROXIMATELY THREE SQUARE, 360 8 FOOT.
AND I'M HAPPY ANSWERING THE QUESTIONS THAT, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BERRY AT THIS TIME? SORRY IF NOT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK AT THIS ONE? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ONE? GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS LOUIS BOATNER FROM, UH, NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, AND YEAH, I COULDN'T HEAR A WORD HE SAID, BUT I HAD THE PACKET.
UM, I JUST WANT TO GIVE MY SUPPORT FOR THIS COMPANY 'CAUSE IT'S SOMETHING I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE HEARD OF.
IT BRINGS IN THE TOURIST AND I THINK MOST PEOPLE ALREADY HAVE A FRIEND OR TWO WHO HAVE ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED IT, POSTED VIDEOS ON FACEBOOK AND IT'S A GREAT WAY TO GET MORE EYES ON THIS LOCATION.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL CALL.
ANY DISCUSSION? TAKE A MOTION.
OH, I VERY MUCH SUPPORT THIS BUT I WILL NOT BE USING THEIR SERVICES.
I DON'T THINK I'M QUITE BRAVE ENOUGH FOR THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT BEING SAID, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVED THE PROPOSED LEASE AGREEMENT WITH SKYLINE OR SKY.
SKYDIVE FRONT ROYAL LLC FOR 700 PER MONTH.
UM, WHO TERMS UP? MR. STEINMEYER? AYE.
[F.6. VDOT Right of Way Purchase - Jane Meadows, Deputy County Administrator ]
OF WAY.UM, THAT'S GONNA BE MS. MEADOWS.
UH, THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION HAS APPROACHED THE COUNTY TO, UM, PURCHASE THE RIGHT OF WAY ACQUISITION, UM, AND THE AREA TURNING INTO, UM, OUR CONVENIENCE SITE ON STONEWALL JACKSON HIGHWAY.
AND THEY WOULD ALSO NEED A UTILITY EASEMENT.
UM, THE TOTAL PURCHASE IS JUST OVER
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0.13 ACRES.UM, AND THEY ARE OFFERING $5,425.
UM, FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY, THE EASEMENT, THE IMPROVEMENTS.
SO THEY'LL BE ADDING FENCING, UM, SIGNAGE, AND ALSO A JERSEY BARRIER.
UM, THIS WILL IMPROVE SAFENESS FOR RESIDENTS ENTERING IN AND OUT OF OUR CONVENIENCE SITE AND WE STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE BOARD TO SUPPORT THIS PURCHASE.
ANY QUESTIONS FOR MS. MEADOWS AT THIS POINT? PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS ONE? NO MA'AM.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ITEM? SECOND CALL.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED.
IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS APPROVE THE RIGHT OF WAY PURCHASE BY VDOT AND AUTHORIZED THE CHAIR AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR TO EXECUTE ALL THE NECESSARY DOCUMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN APPROVED BY THE COUNTY ATTORNEY.
[F.7. Budget Amendment exceeding 1% of total expenditures - Box Hangars - Mike Berry, Public Works Director ]
EXCEEDING 1% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES BOX HANGERS, MR. BARRY? ALL RIGHT, I'M GONNA SAY I'M THANKFUL FOR THAT LAST MOTION 'CAUSE I STARTED THAT MYSELF WHEN WE WERE WORKING ON IT.UM, THE, THE BUDGET AMENDMENT, UM, EXCEEDING 1% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 5 7.
ANY SUCH BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH EXCEEDS 1% OF THE TOTAL EXPENDITURES SHOWN IN THE CURRENTLY ADOPTED BUDGET MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY PUBLISHING NOTICE OF MEETING AND A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 1427.
UM, I'VE LISTED THE COST AND FINANCING.
THIS PROJECT WILL BE A TOTAL OF $2,216,000 565.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, I SHOULD HAVE A CORRECTION THERE.
$563,000 AND THE BALANCE WOULD BE GENERAL FUNDS.
UM, AND, UM, THERE'S A PROPOSED MOTION HERE.
UM, THE FAA GRANT THAT HAS ALREADY, UM, BEEN SIGNED IS, IS PART OF THIS.
AND, UM, THERE IS A, A BUDGET ACTION FORM FOR THE, UH, BOX HANGERS AND ALSO, UM, UH, A 10, A RESOLUTION THAT MR. HAM HAS ATTACHED.
SO, I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
UM, I'M VERY EXCITED ABOUT, UM, THE NEXT TWO PROJECTS AND I KNOW I'VE BEEN HERE A LOT.
UM, BUT, UH, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT AND I'M GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS YOU MAY HAVE.
ANY, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARRY AT THIS POINT? IF NOT PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK ON THIS? YES, MA'AM.
MY NAME IS LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, I SPOKE ON THIS BACK IN MAY AFTER YOU APPROVED 1.5 MILLION FOR, FOR THIS.
UH, SO I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED WHY WE'RE COMING BACK.
I, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE WE'VE INCREASED HOW MUCH WE'RE SPENDING, BUT THEN IT, IT'S, IT'S WEIRD WRAPPING MY HEAD AROUND.
'CAUSE I SEE WE HAVE GRANTS COMING IN, BUT EVEN THOUGH IT'S NOT OUR MONEY WE'RE SPENDING, IT'S STILL PART OF OUR BUDGET THAT THE GRANTS BECOME.
SO THAT'S WHERE A LOT OF THE CONFUSION COMES IN.
UM, AND I DID NOTICE WITH THE CONSENT ITEM AND THIS ITEM, IT SEEMED LIKE THE CONSENT ITEM WAS SHORT 2,500, BUT I THINK HE JUST EXPLAINED THERE WAS A MISMATCH ON, UM, WHAT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ON THIS AGENDA ITEM VERSUS, UH, THE OTHER ONE.
UM, IS THERE MONEY THAT WE'RE ACTUALLY CONTRIBUTING IN ADDITION TO BACK IN MAY? BECAUSE BACK, BACK IN APRIL AFTER THAT, I BROUGHT UP THE ISSUE THAT WE HAVE SCHOOLS HAVE LIKE $11 MILLION AND THAT BUDGET WAS FOR LIKE, ABSOLUTELY MUST HAVE THESE ITEMS. NOTHING.
IT WAS A, IN ADDITION, I, AND I REMEMBER THERE WAS A TIME ISSUE WITH LOSING OUT MONEY IF WE DON'T SPEND IT WITH A GRANT.
UM, BUT NOW WE HAVE ANOTHER SCHOOL ISSUE WHERE A SCHOOL WAS CLOSED NOW FOR THE YEAR.
SO WE WE'RE, WE'RE VERY DESPERATE FOR FUNDS OR, OR TRYING TO FIND OUT WHERE
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TO, WHERE TO BRING UP, FIND THOSE FUNDS.UH, I LOVE THE FACT THAT WE'RE EXPANDING IT, BUT IS, IS THERE MONEY TO EXPAND IT? WHY, WHY ARE WE COMING TO A, A HEARING NOW INSTEAD OF BACK IN, UH, MAY AND APRIL? THANK YOU.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE, EXCUSE ME, LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? SECOND CALL.
ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL? OKAY.
IS THERE ANY DISCUSSION, MIKE? WE, I KNOW THAT YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LOT, UM, BUT I WONDER IF, SINCE THIS IS THE HEARING, IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN WHERE, HOW, WHAT THE ROAD TO, TO TODAY LOOKS LIKE IN TERMS OF WHY THIS IS A, AN INCREASE, WHY THERE'S AN INCREASE ON THE, I MEAN, HOW, HOW WE GOT FROM WHAT WE ORIGINALLY STARTED TO NOW.
WELL, WHEN WE START THE PROJECT, WE START WITH OUR, WE HAVE A AVIATION CONSULTANT.
WE START WITH THE ENGINEERING BUDGET, BOTH PROJECTS.
I THINK LAST MEETING YOU QUESTIONED ME ON WHY THE NEXT ONE IS SO SMALL IN COMPARISON.
SO WITH THIS ONE, IF YOU LOOK THROUGH YOUR PACKAGE AND I, IN THE LAST BOARD MEETING, I ALSO LET YOU KNOW THAT OUR, WE WERE ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE MONEY, BUT WE DID NOT GET A BID BOND.
SO THE LOWEST BIDDER WAS, WAS NOT, THAT BID WAS NOT ACCEPTED BECAUSE IT DID NOT MEET OUR COUNTY PROCUREMENT OR CODE REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON THAT I BROUGHT FORTH THE ADDITIONAL THE FUNDING NEED.
SO WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, THIS IS, YOU KNOW, UM, THIS IS A FEDERAL GRANT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT COMMON TO GET FEDERAL MONEY FOR BOX HANGERS.
UM, IT, OVER TIME, UM, BEFORE I STARTED HERE, THE LAST ONES WERE BUILT AND THEY WERE INTERNALLY, UM, FUNDED.
WE PAID PAYMENTS FROM THE AIRPORT FUND, UM, EACH YEAR ANNUALLY THAT THERE WAS AN APPROPRIATION THAT WAS TAKEN.
AND THAT'S HOW THAT WAS ACCOMPLISHED.
SO IN THIS SITUATION, UM, THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION, WHEN, WHEN WE APPLIED FOR THE CARES FUNDING, THE BIGGEST NEED, WHICH IS A NEED LOCALLY, REGIONALLY, AND STATEWIDE AND REALLY NATIONALLY, IS THERE'S NOT ENOUGH HANGERS FOR THE PLANES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
UM, AND I THINK WE'VE, WE'VE, I'VE ANSWERED QUESTIONS ABOUT THAT MANY TIMES, BUT, SO THE EASY PART IS THAT WAS BECAUSE THE ONE BID DIDN'T HAVE A BID BOND.
UM, BUT WE, IN WAYS I HAVE TO REVERSE ENGINEER BECAUSE I HAVE TO START WITH AN ESTIMATE FOR THE PROJECT.
AND ACTUALLY BEFORE THAT, UM, WITH THIS PROJECT, IF YOU RECALL MOST OF YOUR WORK HERE, I THINK EXCEPT FOR YOU AND TONY, UM, WE STARTED WITH THIS AS A TOTAL PROJECT ON THESE HANGERS WHERE WE WERE, WE BID THE WHOLE THING.
SO THEN WE LOOKED, OKAY, WELL WE HAD, UH, I THINK IT WAS ROUGHLY $800,000 IN CARES FUNDING.
AND WE SAID, OKAY, WHAT ELSE CAN WE DO? SO THEN, UM, WE GOT WITH OUR VIRGINIA AVIATION BOARD MEMBER AND I ADVOCATED FOR SITE FUNDING AND WE WERE, UH, ABLE TO GET OVER A MILLION DOLLAR GRANT FOR SUCH.
UM, WE, WE HAVE ALONG THE WAY USE CARES FUNDING FOR ALL THE ENGINEERING, ALL THE ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENTS NEEDED PRIOR TO GETTING INTO CONSTRUCTION.
'CAUSE MOST OF YOUR AIRPORT PROJECTS, ANY STATE AND FEDERAL DOLLARS, IF IT'S CAPITAL IN NATURE, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PRELIMINARY PHASES OF DESIGN AND, AND ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO THAT'S ALREADY, THE SITE WORK IS BASICALLY COMPLETE NOW, UM, ALL THE, THE, THE PHASING IS DONE EXCEPT FOR CONSTRUCTION.
SO IN THE, IN THE GRAND TOTAL, I MEAN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING AT PROBABLY ANOTHER MILLION AND A HALF.
I MEAN, I COULD PROBABLY GIVE YOU EXACT ANSWER, BUT WE ALREADY HAVE PAID FOR THE MAJORITY OF THE PROJECT, UM, PREVIOUSLY WITH GRANT MONEY, BUT THAT WAS THE DIRECTION OF THE BOARD, UM, AND THE AIRPORT COMMISSION.
NOW I, I KNOW THERE, THIS PUZZLE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR A LONG TIME.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF I'VE ANSWERED PRECISELY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING ME, BUT I THINK I CAN'T ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THAT YOU HAVE.
I, I, SINCE IT'S A LIKE HEARING, I WANT, I JUST WANT IT SAID, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW WE'VE BEEN HERE A LOT.
YOU'VE BEEN HERE A LOT AND A LOT OF INFORMATION'S BEEN GIVEN OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME.
SO HAVING YOU RIGHT, HAVING YOU CONDENSE IT, HERE IS BUSINESS AND I, AND I THINK IN A, A REALLY GOOD, UM, LOOKING FORWARD EFFORT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THE MOST RECENT STAFF MEETINGS I'VE HEARD FROM THE, THE DIRECTOR OF FINANCE AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, YOU KNOW, THE GOAL IS TO LOCK IN AND EVEN IN PLANNING, UM, LOCK IN THE A CIP, WHICH IS THE AIRPORT CAPITAL PLAN.
AND, AND, AND, AND WE ATTEMPTED
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TO DO THAT THIS YEAR, BUT WE'RE STILL KIND OF IRONING OUT HOW THAT WORKS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, UH, OF THE NEXT PROJECT IS GONNA COST US $14,000, BUT IT'S A MILLION AND A HALF DOLLARS PROJECT.SO IT LOOKS INFLATIONARY, BUT THAT'S ACTUALLY A TRANSPORTATION PROJECT.
THIS IS MORE OF AN INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECT, WHICH IS VERY UNCOMMON.
AND THIS IS MORE, I'D SAY HOPEFULLY IT WON'T BE A DECADE OR A DECADE AND A HALF OR TWO BEFORE WE DO IT AGAIN, BECAUSE THESE WILL BE FILLED AS SOON AS THEY'RE DONE.
AND LAST COMMENT FROM ME, UH, SOME MONTHS BACK, I, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE DATE.
UH, THERE WAS A PRESENTATION OF AN ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND I THINK THAT'S, AGAIN, YOU KNOW, THIS HAS BEEN MANY APPEARANCES HERE BEFORE US OVER THIS.
BUT, BUT IT'S, IT'S VITAL, ESPECIALLY WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AIRPORTS YEAH.
THAT PEOPLE WILL RELATE IT TO THE ECONOMY AND RELATE IT TO THE ECONOMIC IMPACT.
AND AS WITH SAY, THE, THE BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION THAT HAS DOCUMENTED ECONOMIC IMPACTS STUDY AVAILABLE FOR HERITAGE TOURISM, THE SAME ECONOMIC IMPACT IS, IS DOCUMENTED FOR YES, SIR.
SO I, I JUST WANT THAT TO, TO BE WIDELY, THE FULL REPORT IS AVAILABLE.
I ACTUALLY SHARED IT WITH MR. BARKER.
I MIGHT HAVE COPIED JANE IN THE LAST WEEK.
UM, AND, AND I'VE HAD A FEW CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM.
I MEAN, I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT A REGIONAL AIRPORT, BUT I THINK THERE'S STILL ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES.
UM, AND WE ARE, YOU KNOW, I THINK, YOU KNOW, OUR, OUR FIRST HEARING, WE, WE ARE INVOLVED IN TOURISM.
I THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING A STAFF TOGETHER.
UM, BUT, YOU KNOW, MY GOAL IS TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE BOARD TO REALIZE, HEY, YOU OWN THIS AIRPORT.
WE'RE, WE'RE AN IMPORTANT PART OF COMMERCE.
WE'RE PART OF THE FEDERAL DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
WE'RE, WE'RE PART OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION.
AND I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH VDOT TWO FOR A LONG TIME.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THERE'S A LOT MORE HANDS IN THE AVIATION SIDE.
AND WARREN COUNTY HAS A, A SEAT CLOSER TO THE TOP OF THE TABLE.
SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SOME DOLLARS THAT WE ACTUALLY TOUCH, LIKE WITH VDOT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE THREE 40 SITE, THE ROCKWOOD SITE, WE'RE, WE ARE INVOLVED IN THAT PROJECT, BUT WE'RE GETTING SOME REVENUE BACK.
WE'RE NOT IN, WE'RE NOT PUTTING IN THE MONEY THAT'S NEEDED TO IMPROVE THREE 40 OVER HERE ON THE OTHER SIDE WITH TRANSPORTATION.
IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT BOX HANGERS.
I DON'T LOOK, YOU KNOW, I DON'T KNOW IF THINGS COULD CHANGE.
I THINK IT'S, WE'RE GONNA NEED OUR ECONOMIC GUY IN THE FUTURE TO HELP US BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT A COMMON THING.
THAT'S A WHOLE DIFFERENT POT OF MONEY THAT, THAT THE GUIDANCE IN OUR DIRECTION AND PLANNING OVER THE LAST SIX YEARS I'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THE AIRPORT, I GUESS OVER SIX YEARS NOW.
UM, THAT WAS, THAT WAS OUR NUMBER ONE INTERNAL PRIORITY.
AND, AND WE'VE DONE OUR BEST TO GET EVERY DOLLAR THAT WE COULD.
I JUST WANNA MAKE A FEW COMMENTS ON THAT BE BECAUSE I'M SENSITIVE TO THE, THE SCHOOL FUNDING NEEDS AND, AND THAT THIS MAY SEEM TO SOME TO BE SUPERFLUOUS, UH, BUT THE ECONOMIC IMPACT IS, IS VERY REAL.
UM, TWO OTHER POINTS ARE, ARE THAT, UH, ONE, UM, THESE HANGERS WILL TURN, UH, A PROFIT AND WE HAVE A, A BREAK EVEN POINT, WHICH IS SOME YEARS AWAY, BUT, BUT THEY WILL START BRINGING MONEY BACK IN.
UH, AND THEN LASTLY, I, I BROUGHT UP AT OUR LAST MEETING THAT THERE IS A PLAN, UM, WHEN WE ARE, UH, READY TO DO SO TO, TO FINANCE THIS SORT OF RETRO RETROACTIVELY AND PAY OURSELVES BACK.
AND, AND MR. HAM POINTED OUT THAT THERE ARE SOME LEGAL STEPS NEEDED TO, TO, TO CLEAR THE PATH FOR THAT.
BUT THAT, THAT IT'S, IT'S MORE OR LESS ADMINISTRATIVE TO, TO DO THAT.
AND WE, UM, IT, IT'S LEGISLATIVE TO DO THAT.
AND THAT IS INCLUDED IN, AND YOU ARE ONE OF YOUR CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS. OH, GOOD.
SO, SO IT, SO THE STEPS ARE, UM, UNDERWAY TO, TO GET THAT IN NOW.
UM, AND I ALSO WANTED TO THANK MR. BERRY BECAUSE GETTING THE, UH, GETTING THE, UM, GRANT MONEY FOR HANGERS AS, AS YOU SAID, IS EXCEPTIONALLY RARE.
UM, AND, UH, AND HE'S BEEN WORKING SO WELL WITH, UH, WITH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION AND THE FAA, UM, AND, UH, AND THEN THE NEXT TOPIC WILL BE GETTING A RUNWAY FOR ONE PENNY ON THE DOLLAR, WHICH IS AMAZING.
UM, AND THERE, THERE IS INCREASING DEMAND HERE FOR AVIATION.
IT FITS INTO OUR LONG-TERM TOURISM ASPIRATIONS.
WE'VE GOT, UM, MONASAS AIRPORT IS GETTING COMMERCIAL SERVICE IN A YEAR FROM NOW THAT'S GONNA PUSH GENERAL AVIATION MORE THIS WAY.
AND WE, WE NEED TO BE READY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WE HAVE A WAITING LIST AND, UH, NOT JUST A SOFT WAITING LIST, BUT PEOPLE HAVE PUT DOWN A ONE MONTH DEPOSIT ALREADY FOR THESE HANGERS.
IT'S, IT'S COMING TOGETHER IN A GOOD WAY.
AND IT'S, IT'S JUST BEING FORWARD LOOKING AND, AND FUTURE THINKING.
WELL, AND IT IS, YOU KNOW, ALSO THE RENT FROM THE HANGERS THEMSELVES MM-HMM
BUT THEN THERE'S PERSONAL PROPERTY
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TAX COLLECTED ON EACH AIRPLANE.SO THAT'S ANOTHER, UM, AVENUES.
THE MORE PLANES THAT ARE OUT THERE, UM, THE MORE FUEL THEY'LL BUY, WHICH IS REVENUE AND THE TAX, THE PERSONAL PROPERTY TAX.
AND I, I THINK IT'S, UM, WORTH SAYING THAT THIS IS A LOT OF MONEY.
UM, THE LARGEST PORTION OF IT IS FEDERAL AND STATE.
WE DO HAVE A MATCH, BUT IT'S NOT ALL DUE LIKE NEXT MONTH.
THIS PHASE IS, SO THIS WILL BE OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH HELPS US, UM, YOU KNOW, GET THAT REVENUE UP AS WELL.
AND I NEVER THOUGHT I WOULD BE PRO AIRPORT, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS A HOBBY HOUSE, BUT I DO SEE THE ECONOMIC IMPACT THAT IT CAN HAVE.
UM, AND WHEN YOU'VE GOT THIS AMOUNT OF BACKING WITH GRANT MONEY, YEAH.
AS PAINFUL AS IT IS, THE, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR PORTION OF IT, IT'S A MUCH SMALLER THAN IF WE WERE DOING IT IN TOTALITY.
SO, UM, I DO THINK THAT IT WILL PAY FOR ITSELF.
UM, THAT LIST I THINK IS QUITE A LONG LIST OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE ALREADY, UM, YOU KNOW, STEPPED UP AND WON THESE.
UM, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION ON, I I, I THINK IT'S A GOOD MOVE TO, UH, WELL, IT'LL MAKE THE AIRPORT A, A EARNER FOR THE COUNTY INSTEAD OF A BURDEN.
IT, IT WAS TO MY UNDERSTANDING, UH, WAY BACK IN THE DAY, MR. FOX HAD TOLD ME IT WAS A, OH, EVERYBODY ENJOYED THE AIRPORT, BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY A PRETTY GOOD COSTING.
AND THEN I THINK WHEN THE MEDEVAC SERVICE COME IN AND STARTED RENTING, THAT WAS A BIG, UH, IT PUT US CLOSE TO A NET ZERO AT THAT TIME.
UM, AND, UH, IT, IT IS, IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE, UH, FOR THESE HANGERS OR, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE, THEY'RE, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD RENTAL AND, AND IT'S GONNA BE, UH, A GOOD INCOME BY THEMSELVES.
AND THEN IT, UH, IT'S ALSO BACKDOOR SUPPORTS THE TOURISM, UH, AT THE SAME TIME.
SO, UH, IT'S NOT A QUICK WINNER, BUT IT, IT, OVER A PERIOD OF TIME, IT'S GONNA BE A BIG WIN, I THINK.
AND ONE OTHER SOURCE OF REVENUE I WOULD MENTION IS, YOU KNOW, I, I HAVEN'T GOT IT YET, BUT I, IN MY A CIP MY GOAL IS TO RECOVER MONIES THAT WE USE TO PURCHASE THE GROUND FOR OUR FUTURE EXPANSION.
YOU KNOW, AND I, AND I CONTINUE TO, TO BRING THAT UP EVERY YEAR WITH THE, THE, THE FAA, UM, AND YOU KNOW, THEY WILL PAY US WHEN WE USE THAT PROPERTY.
SO IF WE WOULD COME UP WITH SOME ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY THAT WE USE THAT PROPERTY, THEN THERE'S A LIKELIHOOD OF US GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL MONEY.
UM, YOU KNOW, I, I HOPE TO RECOVER AT LEAST A HALF MILLION DOLLARS.
ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? DID NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE 20 26, 20 27 WARREN COUNTY BUDGET BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL 2,216,000 TO THE AIRPORT FUND SITE AND PREVENTS BUDGET LINE ITEM IN THAT.
[F.8. Budget Amendment exceeding 1% of total expenditures - Runway Rehabilitation - Mike Berry, Public Works Director ]
EXCEEDING 1% OF TOTAL EXPENDITURES, RUNWAY REHABILITATION.MR. BERRY, I'VE STEPPED INTO THIS A LITTLE BIT AGAIN, IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 DASH 2 57.
UM, THIS, ANY SUCH BUDGET AMENDMENT, WHICH EXCEEDS 1% OF THE TOTAL EXPENDITURE SHOWN CURRENTLY ADOPTED BUDGET MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED BY PUBLISHING NOTICE OF MEETING IN A PUBLIC HEARING IN ACCORDANCE WITH VIRGINIA CODE SECTION 15.2 1427.
SO THIS PORTION, UH, OF THE CONSTRUCTION WILL INCLUDE THE REHABILITATION OF RUNWAY, 10 28 TAXIWAY TIE-INS UP TO THE HOLD LINES.
THE CONSTRUCTION ELEMENTS INCLUDE PAVING, MILLING, GRADE CORRECTIONS, DRAINAGE IMPROVEMENTS, PAVING OPERATIONS, SITE STABILIZATIONS AND PAVING MARKING OPERATIONS.
UM, WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS.
IT'S BEEN IN OUR A CIP AS WELL.
WE BEGAN THE, UH, ENVIRONMENTAL BACK IN 21 IS WHEN WE GOT APPROVAL ON THAT.
UM, I'M VERY, UM, HAPPY TO SAY I MENTIONED EARLIER THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAD ANTICIPATED 3 MILLION.
JAMESON HAD ASKED ME ABOUT THAT LAST TIME.
AND, UH, MR. HENRY HAD SAID, YEAH, HE REMEMBERED THE CONSTRUCTION, BUT YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH OF THE ASPHALT IT WAS CONSTRUCTED VERY WELL.
UM, SO, UM, OUR INITIAL PORTION FOR WARREN COUNTY WAS $30,000, 1% OF 3 MILLION.
UM, OUR TOTAL COST, UM, FOR THIS PROJECT WILL BE A MILLION $400,000 FEDERAL SHARE AT 95%, $1,330,000.
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DEPARTMENT OF AVIATION SHARE, 4% $56,000 IN WARREN COUNTY, 1% AT $14,000.UM, SO I, I'M, I'M VERY PLEASED THAT THIS PROJECT IS, IS UNDER THE BUDGET THAT WE ANTICIPATED FOR THIS FISCAL YEAR THAT I PRESENTED TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND, AND I THINK THIS WILL BE A GREAT PROJECT AND, UM, YOU KNOW, THANKFUL THAT WE ARE AT THIS, THIS CONSTRUCTION LINE.
NOW, ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. BARRY AT THIS POINT? NOT PUBLIC HEARING IS OPEN.
HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP FOR THIS? YES, MA'AM.
LOUIS MOTON FROM THE NORTH RIVER DISTRICT.
UM, YEAH, LIKE THE, THE BUDGET AND UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE MONEY'S COMING FROM AND IF WHAT WE'RE PAYING FOR VERSUS WHAT'S BEING GIVEN TO US.
UM, WITH THE GRANTS, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO, UH, GET THE, THE BROAD PICTURE.
UM, BUT, UH, I DID WANT TO SAY, WOW, UH, WE'RE GETTING A MAKEOVER OF A MILLION AND A HALF FOR 14,000.
AND NOT ONLY THAT, WE'RE SAVING MORE THAN 50% OFF THE OFF OF AIR SHARE.
UM, THE ONE THING I I WAS WONDERING ABOUT IS, THERE'S LIKE THIS WITH THE, THE ACTUAL BID THAT CAME THROUGH, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S 303,000, UH, REMAINING.
SO I WAS JUST WONDERING, IS THERE MORE WORK SCHEDULED OR IS THAT AL ALSO PINNED FOR, UH, CHANGES OR WHATNOT? SO THAT'S, THAT WAS THE KIND OF, UM, CONFUSION.
LIKE, IS THERE MORE WORK PLANNED? BECAUSE I SEE 300, 3000, $145 OUT OF WHAT WAS, UM, BID ON ON THAT BY, UM, CHA CHAONG CONTRACTING.
BUT THANK YOU AND AWESOME JOB.
WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK SECOND CALL? ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK? THIRD AND FINAL PUBLIC HEARING IS CLOSED.
ANY DISCUSSION? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE THAT THE, UH, 20 26 27 WARREN COUNTY BUDGET BE AMENDED TO INCLUDE AN ADDITIONAL 1,400,000 TO THE AIRPORT FUEL SITE IMPROVEMENT BUDGET ITEM, LINE ITEM AND SUCH FUNDS BE APPROPRIATED.
AND THAT FINISHES OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS AND WE'RE AT,
[G.1. Reports – Board Members, County Administrator, County Attorney ]
UM, BOARD REPORTS.MR. CARTER? YEAH, I ATTENDED THE, UM, PARKS AND REC MEETING LAST NIGHT AND THERE WAS A LOT OF GOOD THINGS GOING ON THERE.
UM, THE ONE THING THAT WAS KIND OF POINTED OUT THAT WE ARE, UM, SHORT OF PRACTICE AND IN GAIN FIELDS AND EVEN INDOOR FACILITIES, I THINK ONE GENTLEMAN SAID THERE'S MAYBE 150 KIDS INVOLVED IN INDOOR SOCCER.
UM, AND HE COULD PROBABLY DO ANOTHER 150.
UM, AS FAR AS THE FIELDS, UM, THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK WE NEED TO GET ON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I DON'T KNOW IF WE GOT A, IF WE CAN SCHEDULE A, A WORK SESSION WITH NEXT TUESDAY WORK, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW IF THIS ROOM'S OCCUPIED THEN WE, I MEAN, IF EVERYBODY'S AGREEABLE AND WE COULD DO IT DURING THE DAY, THAT WOULD BE FINE TOO.
WE CAN'T DO IT DURING THE DAY.
WELL WHAT ABOUT IN THE AFTERNOON? AFTERNOON? THAT'S WHAT I MEAN, NOT IN THE MORNING.
I MEAN, LIKE WHEN WE STARTING NOW AT ONE TUESDAY, TWO.
HOW ABOUT FOUR AT THREE 30 LATER IS BETTER FOR ME.
IF WE COULD DO THAT, I'D APPRECIATE IT.
BUT WE COULD TALK ABOUT ROCKLAND PARK.
AND ANOTHER THING WAS BROUGHT UP TOO, AND I WASN'T EXACTLY FAMILIAR WITH IT, BUT, UH, A GENTLEMAN DONATED, UH, LAND DOWN THERE NEAR THE OLD VFW UNDER THE BRIDGE OR WHATEVER FOR I THINK KIND OF TRAIL AND MAYBE, MAYBE A GARDEN.
AND, UH, IT'D BE NICE TO SEE IF WE GET SOMETHING STARTED ON THAT TOO, SO THE GENTLEMAN WHO DONATED COULD HAVE A CHANCE TO ENJOY IT.
UM, SO YEAH, BUT THERE'S A LOT OF STUFF GOING ON THERE.
WELL, I GUESS ALONG THOSE LINES TOO, UM, AND I DON'T RECALL
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THE, THE SCHEDULING, BUT I KNOW ON THE MORNING MEETINGS WE HAVE A LOT OF REPORTS FROM VEHICLES, ET CETERA.BUT IT'D BE GOOD TO HAVE PARKS AND REC AT LEAST COME.
AND I WOULD SAY MAYBE ON A QUARTERLY BASIS, I THINK WE HAVE DSS, UM, THE OTHER THING TO DO WOULD BE MR. BARKER WITH THE EDA, UM, AND ANY OTHER, UM, MAYBE BUILDING PLANNING.
JUST LET US KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
AND I OBVIOUSLY NOT HAVE 'EM ALL AT ONCE, BUT SPREAD 'EM OUT JUST SO WE KNOW.
AND SO THE PUBLIC KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT'S, WHAT'S BEING, UH, UH, DONE.
UM, MAYBE ON THE WORK SESSION TWO, WE GAVE TALK AND I'M GLAD TO SEE THAT GOT STARTED WITH THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
THAT WAS A CIP JUST KINDA LIKE A BRIEFING AND MAYBE ANY OTHER THINGS AS FAR AS, UH, THE FISCAL IMPACT STUDY.
I MEAN, THE LIST COULD GO ON AND ON AND ON, BUT, UH, IF WE COULD DO THINGS LIKE THAT.
EACH MEETING, OH, THE OTHER THING TOO IS I GUESS THERE'S SOME CONFUSION SOMEWHAT, OR NOT CONFUSION, BUT LACK OF INFORMATION AS FAR AS, UH, AND TONIGHT WE'LL TALK ABOUT THAT TOO, AS FAR AS THE, THE PLANNING COMMISSION SEAT THAT'S VACANT.
BUT I WOULD SUGGEST TOO THAT PROBABLY ON, UM, PROBABLY EVERY MEETING IF THE ADMINISTRATOR COULD SAY WE HAVE A SLOT OPEN.
I KNOW THAT'S COMING UP TOO ON THE VZA, BUT JUST SAY THESE ARE THE, UH, SLOTS THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS WOULD APPOINT TO.
I THINK THE BZA, THE TOWING BOARD, THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
'CAUSE I KNOW IT IS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE, BUT NOT EVERYBODY LOOKS AT THE WEBSITE OR THEY'RE NOT AWARE.
WELL, THEY SHOULD BE AWARE NOW IF THEY'RE LISTENING, BUT, UH, JUST SO PEOPLE ARE SOMETHING, IF THEY WANT TO SERVE IN SOME CAPACITY, UH, WE, WE, WE CAN ALWAYS USE, UH, SOME GOOD PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED IN, IN, UH, SEEING THE COUNTY GO FORWARD.
UM, THE OTHER THING TOO, OH, WELL THIS COULD BE ANOTHER ITEM TOO WOULD BE, UM, I THINK TOMORROW NIGHT, I BELIEVE.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE, MAYBE MS. MEADOWS WILL GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING IS THEY WENT OUT AND LOOKED AT THE E WILSON MORRISON, UM, ANOTHER UPDATE.
AND I THINK THE SCHOOL BOARD IS SUPPOSED TO, I THINK HE'S SUPPOSED TO GET A REPORT OR SOMETHING BACK TOMORROW NIGHT.
IS THAT RIGHT MR. KLEIN? YOU'RE NOT GETTING IT TOMORROW NIGHT.
BRIGHT'S GONNA DO A COUPLE PRESENT PRESENTATIONS FOR, UM, AN OPTION.
GEORGE, YOU WANT TO, YOU WANNA COME UP FRONT
BUT IF HE'S GONNA HAVE YOU ANSWERING QUESTIONS, EVERYONE SHOULD BE ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
AND I DIDN'T MEAN TO CATCH YOU OFF GUARD, SIR.
WRIGHT'S GONNA DO A PRESENTATION TOMORROW NIGHT ON, UH, SOME FUTURE OPTIONS.
UM, AS FAR AS THE SHORING UPDATE, UM, TWO CONTRACTORS HAVE LOOKED AT IT.
THE PRICING WILL NOT BE, SHOULD NOT BE BACK TOMORROW.
SO I THINK IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE THE FOLLOWING MEETING BEFORE WE SEE, UH, WHAT THAT COST WILL BE.
BUT, BUT WE STILL MAY WANNA PUT THAT ON THE AGENDA BECAUSE DEPENDING ON WHICH WAY YOU GO, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR IT AND FIND THE MONEY AND EVERYTHING.
AND I THINK, AND THEN I'M, I'M SURE MS. MEADOWS IS AWARE, I THINK DAVENPORT MAY HAVE SOME OPTIONS.
OBVIOUSLY WE CAN'T, WE LOST SOME OF OUR BOND RATINGS.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING THERE TOO IS THAT I GUESS THE STATE OR THE STATE SCHOOLS HAVE SOME SEPARATE FUNDS THAT, THAT WE COULD, UH, GO FOR TOO.
'CAUSE ONE WAY OR THE OTHER, WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING.
SO, BUT WE, I THINK THE, UH, I THINK HIS PRESENTATION'S GONNA BE PRETTY COOL THOUGH.
UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
AND THEN AGAIN, IF ANYBODY HAS ANY OTHER ITEMS THEY MIGHT WANT TO ADD TO THE, TO THE, UH, TO THE WORK SESSION, UH, THAT WOULD BE GOOD.
UM, ON SEPTEMBER 10TH, I, UH, ATTENDED AS A, A GUEST, UH, TO THE TOURISM COMMITTEE.
AND, UH, FOUND THAT TO BE, UH, VERY INTERESTING.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS.
UH, ONE THING THAT JUMPED OUT AT ME IS WE TOOK A PEEK AT, UH, THE VTC STATEWIDE STRATEGIC TOURISM PLAN, WHICH CAME OUT EARLIER THIS YEAR.
AND, UM, THEY HAVE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR DIFFERENT REGIONS OF, OF THE STATE WHERE THEY, THEY NOTICE OPPORTUNITIES OR AREAS WHERE THERE ARE SHORTFALLS, UH, IN, IN WHAT MIGHT BE, UH, UH, A GOOD ALIGNMENT WITH, WITH DEMAND.
AND, UH, PARTICULARLY FOR THE SHENANDOAH VALLEY, THEY MENTIONED, UH, CONFERENCES AND CONVENTION CENTERS, UH, AND, UH, SPORTS, UH, UH, TO A LESSER EXTENT.
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TWO THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY DISCUSSED ON THIS DUS AND I, I THINK IT, IT'S A NICE DATA POINT, UH, THAT, THAT SHOWS THAT WE WERE THINKING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.AND SO I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO HOPEFULLY, UM, THE POINT WHERE WE'RE READY TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THAT.
UM, THEY ALSO HAD, UH, UH, SEVERAL MENTIONS OF ADVENTURE TOURISM AND, UM, PECULIARLY ENOUGH, UH, MOUNTAIN BIKING WAS MENTIONED REPEATEDLY, WHICH POTENTIALLY WE HAVE THE TERRAIN FOR HERE TOO.
UH, I'M NOT, NOT SAYING THAT'S GONNA BE A BIG, UH, REVENUE GENERATOR NECESSARILY, BUT, UM, IT IS, UH, SOMETHING THAT, UH, A BENTONVILLE, ARKANSAS HAS CLAIMED TO BE THE MOUNTAIN BIKING CAPITAL OF ARKANSAS.
AND WE'RE, WE'RE THE CANOE CAPITAL HERE, BUT MAYBE WE CAN GIVE THEM A RUN FOR THEIR MONEY.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT ITEMS THAT ARE COMING UP ON THE CONSENT AGENDA.
UM, 'CAUSE I'VE HEARD FROM A FEW CONSTITUENTS WHO, WHO KIND OF WERE, FELT LIKE THE PUBLIC WAS BLINDSIDED BY THIS.
AND, UH, UM, I UNDERSTAND, AND WE MAY, MAY OR MAY NOT PULL IT TONIGHT AND TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I'LL, I'LL JUST PUT OUT A COUPLE THOUGHTS.
UH, WE PROBABLY COULD HAVE SOCIALIZED THIS BETTER, BUT I WANTED TO SAY WHAT IT IS NOT, THIS IS NOT ABOUT DATA CENTERS.
UM, UH, IT, IT'S IN UTTERANCE WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, AND IT'S ABOUT INDUSTRIES, TARGETED INDUSTRIES WHICH, UH, HAVE BEEN, I THINK THAT WAS PUBLICIZED YESTERDAY IN A PRESS RELEASE.
UM, AND THERE'S MORE TO COME ON THAT.
UH, BUT THIS IS NOT A SNEAKY BACKDOOR ABOUT DATA CENTERS, UM, IN THE SLIGHTEST.
UH, IT'S ABOUT OUR EXISTING INDUSTRIAL ZONES AND, UH, THE FACT THAT WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT ANYWHERE CLOSE TO BEING TURNKEY.
AND BECAUSE OF THAT, WE CONTINUALLY GET PASSED UP BY THE ADJACENT COUNTIES.
UH, AND IT'S JUST ABOUT, UM, GETTING THINGS A LITTLE MORE TURNKEY AND SHRINKING SOME EXCESSIVE TIMELINES AND PUTTING US, UH, ON A COMPETING LEVEL PLAY, UH, PLAYING FIELD WITH, UH, THE ADJACENT COUNTIES.
UM, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT, UH, WHAT'S ON THE CONSENT AGENDA TONIGHT IS A RESOLUTION JUST DIRECTING STAFF TO WORK ON ORDINANCES.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY DOING ANYTHING, UH, THAT CHANGES ANYTHING YET.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS TO COME IN THE FUTURE, UH, SOME MONTHS AWAY, MOST LIKELY WITH BOTH THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND THIS BOARD.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE TIME FOR PUBLIC INPUT AND REVIEW, UH, WITH ALL OF THAT.
UM, SO I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE.
UM, ALONG THE LINES, THOUGH, OF THE PUBLIC FEELING BLINDSIDED, I, I'M IN AGREEMENT WITH, UH, SUPERVISOR CARTER'S IDEA TO LIST AS PART OF, UH, YOUR REPORT, UM, VACANCIES FOR BOARD APPOINTMENTS, UH, BECAUSE I KNOW WE HAD ONE PERSON WHO WAS, UH, UNAWARE OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION, UM, OPENING.
UH, AND, UH, NOT ONLY THAT, BUT IT WAS SUGGESTED TO ME THAT, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE DON'T REALLY USE CIVIC PLUS OR KNOW WHERE TO GET OUR AGENDAS OR KNOW WHAT'S COMING UP ON THE MEETINGS OR WHEN IS THE NEXT MEETING.
AND IT WAS SUGGESTED THAT MAYBE WE COULD PUT THE MEETING CALENDAR AND AGENDAS ON, ON FACEBOOK.
UM, I DON'T THINK THAT'S A BAD IDEA NECESSARILY.
I, I DON'T KNOW IF FACEBOOK IS THE ONLY SOCIAL MEDIA BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S GENERATIONAL MARKETS FOR THESE DIFFERENT FACEBOOKS AND, AND OTHER, UH, SOCIAL MEDIA SITES.
BUT, UH, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE COULD CONSIDER.
UM, IT, UH, SEEMS LIKE IT WOULD HELP MAKE THE PUBLIC MORE AWARE OF WHAT WE'RE DOING AND LESS SURPRISED WHEN THINGS COME ALONG.
MY ONLY OTHER, UH, THING I WANTED TO MENTION IS THAT I, UH, ATTENDED THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL ON FRIDAY MORNING, UH, AT THE GAZEBO AT EIGHT 30.
AND, UH, THAT WAS A MOVING, UH, CEREMONY OF A, A VERY SIGNIFICANT DAY.
AND, UM, I HAD DEEP MEMORIES OF THAT DAY BECAUSE, UH, UM, I WAS GONNA FLY THAT DAY, UH, AND, AND DIDN'T AND COUNTED MY BLESSINGS, UH, ABOUT NOT BEING ON ONE OF THOSE PLANES.
UH, BUT ALSO AT THE TIME I WORKED, UM, ACROSS I 3 95 FROM THE PENTAGON.
AND, UH, I WAS, UH, NOT AT WORK THAT DAY.
AGAIN, ANOTHER BLESSING, BUT I HAD COLLEAGUES WHO, WHO SAW THE PENTAGON, UH, DISASTER THROUGH THE WINDOW AND WERE IN COUNSELING FOR QUITE A LONG TIME AFTER THAT.
UM, BUT, UH, IT'S A DAY THAT WE NEVER WANT TO FORGET, AND I THOUGHT IT WAS, UH, COMMEMORATED VERY APPROPRIATELY ON FRIDAY AND WANTED TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO PUT THAT TOGETHER.
UM, THE MOST, I THINK THE MOST CONSEQUENTIAL THING, UM, SINCE THE LAST MEETING WAS THAT I ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING TO HEAR THE PRESENTATION OF THE ASSESSMENT THAT HAD BEEN DONE, UH, FOR E MORRISON WILSON AND I JUST NOT, MAYBE NOT EVERYBODY'S AWARE, BUT THERE WAS A, A, AN ARCHITECT WHO, OR I GUESS A FIRM OR
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COMBINATION FIRM, THERE WAS A FREE ASSESSMENT DONE FOR THE BUILDING, UM, PRIOR TO THAT SCHOOL BOARD MEETING, I THINK IN, IN THE DAYS, MAYBE OVER THE WEEKEND BEFORE, KIND OF ON AN EMERGENCY BASIS.SO, UH, I WAS INTERESTED TO HEAR WHAT THOSE FINDINGS WERE.
UM, THERE WAS KIND OF A LOT OF, A LOT OF CHATTER ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE, THE BUILDING WAS ABOUT TO FALL DOWN, IT MIGHT COST 30 MILLION, YOU KNOW, THINK THING LAST TIME, LAST BOARD REPORT.
I WAS JUST HOPEFUL THAT WE COULD, ONCE THE KIDS ARE SAFE AND RELOCATED, WE COULD TAKE OUR TIME.
UM, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE OF THAT PRESENTATION, I THINK IS THAT FORMAL STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS IS STILL NEEDED.
THAT THAT'S, IT WASN'T A STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS.
THE, THE ASSESSMENT WAS DESCRIPTIVE AND, UH, IT KIND OF SHED LIGHT ON, ON PROBABLY WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, BUT IT EXPLICITLY STATED THAT NO STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS HAD HAD BEEN PERFORMED.
SO IT'S JUST IMPORTANT FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW REALLY THAT WE'RE STILL WAITING FOR THE ANSWER.
WE KNOW THERE'S A PROBLEM STILL WAITING FOR THE ANALYSIS, UH, THE STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS AND, AND, UH, THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE SUPERINTENDENT CARRIED ON A, A, A, YOU KNOW, AN INSIGHTFUL DISCUSSION, UM, ABOUT HOW TO MOVE FORWARD.
UH, THERE WAS, THERE WAS ESSENTIALLY NOT A MOTION, NOT A FORMAL ACTION, BUT A BUT A GENERAL AGREEMENT TO PUT A REQUEST FOR INFORMATION TOGETHER, UM, THAT WOULD INCLUDE HISTORIC MASONRY AS PART OF THE REQUEST FOR INFORMATION.
UM, SO I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO, TO DR.
WRIGHT'S PRESENTATION TOMORROW.
I HOPE TO, TO EVERYBODY CAN LEARN SOME MORE FROM THAT.
UM, TWO PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY SAID IT.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST UNDERLINE IT.
UM, I ALSO THINK THAT WHEN THERE'S BOARD, UH, A COMMITTEE OUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE PLANNING COMMISSION, COMMISSION OPENINGS, THAT WE NEED TO DO MORE, UH, TO, TO MAKE PEOPLE AWARE OF THEM.
UM, I'M NOT SURE IF SOMEBODY ALREADY SAID IT, BUT MAYBE A, A FACEBOOK POST TOO, YOU KNOW, MAYBE AN INSTAGRAM POST TOO,
UM, AND THEN A LITTLE BIT OF TIME, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO, TO, AFTER THAT AWARENESS IS ESTABLISHED FOR PEOPLE, UH, TO BE ENCOURAGED TO APPLY.
UM, SO THAT'S, THAT'S SOMETHING I AGREE WITH.
UM, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, I I, I WAS GONNA WAIT ON COMMENTS ABOUT THE, THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF, AND I, MAYBE I'LL JUST FOLLOW SUIT AND SAY A FEW THINGS NOW.
UM, I FIRST OF ALL WILL JUST SORT OF TAKE OWNERSHIP FOR, FOR BEING A LITTLE BIT IGNORANT OF HOW THE REPUBLIC MIGHT, MIGHT REACT TO SEEING THESE, THESE THINGS ON THE AGENDA.
UM, I'LL UNDERSCORE, YOU KNOW, WHAT JOHN JUST SAID, WHICH IS THAT THESE, THESE AREN'T DECISIONS TO DO TO, TO ENACT ORDINANCES.
THEY'RE JUST, UM, THEY'RE RESOLUTIONS THAT MOVE STAFF IN A CERTAIN DIRECTION.
UM, YOU KNOW, HAVING SAID THAT, I THINK THAT WE'RE, WE, WE CAN DO BETTER IN TERMS OF, OF EXPOSING THINGS BEFORE WE GET TO THIS LEVEL.
I, I'VE, I'VE HEARD AND, AND DON'T DISAGREE WITH, UH, WITH JAMES AND, AND, AND MR. CARTER'S AND MR. STAN MEYER'S POINT, THAT THESE AREN'T DECISIONS TO DO THESE THINGS.
THEY'RE DECISIONS TO, TO FORMALLY GET OUR STAFF MOVING IN THOSE DIRECTIONS.
THE ONLY COMMENT ON THAT IS THAT THAT'S STILL A SUBSTANTIVE FORWARD STEP.
THAT'S WITHOUT HAVING AIRED THIS OUT AND GOTTEN A, A CHANCE FOR SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH AND SOME PUBLIC, UH, COMMENT BACK.
AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT I, THAT I THINK WERE REALLY, UM, WOULD'VE BEEN GREAT IS TO LEAD WITH THE, UH, THE, UM, I, I WANT TO NAME IT CORRECTLY, UM, THE TARGET INDUSTRY, UH, ANALYSIS DRAFT THAT, THAT WE'VE GOT.
SO, SO, UM, YOU KNOW, MR. BARKER'S BEEN WORKING, HE'S BEEN DOING WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD DO.
HE'S BEEN BEFORE US, UM, AND SAID WHAT HE WAS GONNA DO AND, AND, UM, AND HE'S DONE IT.
SO WE HAVE THESE SIX RECOMMENDED SECTORS, BUT WE, WE DIDN'T AIR THIS OUT, YOU KNOW, TO THE PUBLIC.
THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T REALLY KNOW WHERE, WHERE WE'RE HEADED.
AND, AND THEN, UH, WE'RE, THERE'S, AGAIN, LET'S, LET'S REMEMBER, PEOPLE DON'T NECESSARILY READ EVERY WORD OF EVERY DOCUMENT, BUT NOW WE'RE, WE HAVE WORDS LIKE FAST TRACK AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE'S, YOU KNOW, I, I THINK IT'S NOT KIND OF HARD FOR US AS, AS A, AS A COUNTY, MAYBE AS, AS SUPERVISORS, MAYBE AS ADMINISTRATION, THAT WE'RE OPERATING IN A, IN A KIND OF A TRUST DEFICIT SITUATION AFTER THE EDA SCANDAL, THAT'S NOT OVER WITH.
SO, UM, I THINK WE NEED TO WORK WITH THAT.
AND, AND I THINK WE NEED, WE, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAP THE BRAKES HERE AND, AND DO SOME PUBLIC OUTREACH AND OFFER SOME TIME FOR EX EXPLAINING WHAT THESE, WHAT THESE RESOLUTIONS ARE AND GIVING CONSTITUENTS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CONTACT US.
AND QUESTIONS FOR THE FEW PEOPLE THAT HAVE CALLED ME TO SAY WHAT'S GOING ON HERE.
UM, HAVE BEEN ABLE TO TALK THROUGH, UH, WHAT EACH ONE DOES.
AND I THINK AMELIORATE, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF CONCERN, BUT, UM, I DON'T THINK WE CAN LOSE,
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YOU KNOW, AS A BOARD BY JUST HITTING THE PAUSE BUTTON AND, AND DOING SOME OUTREACH.UM, SO THAT MAY, THIS, THIS MAY COME UP IN A CONVERSATIONAL WAY WHILE THAT, WHILE THOSE THINGS ARE BEING DISCUSSED, UM, UM, ALSO WENT TO THE NINE 11 MEMORIAL.
I WAS VERY HAPPY, UH, AND GRATEFUL TO HAVE RECEIVED THAT INVITATION.
AND, AND, UM, IT WAS THE FIRST TIME I'VE GONE HERE.
UH, FIRST TIME I RECEIVED THE INVITATION AND, AND, UM, I APPRECIATE THE, THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THAT AND WAS HAPPY TO BE THERE.
OH, I DIDN'T HAVE A WHOLE LOT.
OH, IF WE'RE NOT GONNA PULL THE, UH, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT STUFF, AND, UM, AND I JUST, WELL, IF, IF YOU PULL IT, THAT'S FINE, BUT THE, UH, UM, THERE WILL BE PUBLIC HEARINGS THAT THE, THERE IS NO SHORTCUT TO CHANGE, YOU KNOW, ORDINANCES ALL, BUT YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND PREVIOUS BOARD VERY ANTI-GROWTH.
IT'S THE CAUSE FOR THE TAX INCREASE.
IF WE DON'T START MOVING FORWARD TO BE COMPETITIVE WITH OUR SURROUNDING COMMUNITIES TO CREATE SOME GOOD ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT FOR JOBS AND TAX BASE.
WE'LL BE IN THE SAME SITUATION VERY SOON AGAIN, UH, TO WHERE YOU EITHER HAVE CUT SERVICES OR RAISE TAXES.
UH, I, I DON'T THINK I'LL EVER SUPPORT ANOTHER TAX INCREASE BECAUSE I INHERITED PREVIOUS PROBLEM, BUT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY HERE NOW TO GET US GOING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION.
UH, I DON'T KNOW THAT THESE THINGS WOULD BE APPROVED AS IS.
THEY OBVIOUSLY NEED SOME WORK, I THINK, AND THIS IS JUST AN ACTION TO GET STAFF MOVING.
UH, IT, IT, IT, TO ME IT'S A LONG TIME COMING.
UH, AND I THINK THE SOONER THE BETTER, UH, ESPECIALLY BEING, THESE AREN'T ACTION ITEMS, THEY'RE JUST, UH, FOUR STAFF, UH, TO GET TO WORKING ON IT.
SO, BUT IF YOU WANNA PULL 'EM, THAT'S FINE.
UH, AND I'VE GOT SOMETHING TO PULL TOO, SO IT'S NO TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
I TOO ATTENDED THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETING AND, UH, APPRECIATED THE INFORMATION.
UM, NOT ONLY THE PRESENTATION THAT THE KIDS PUT ON AND THE INFORMATION OVER, UM, E WILSON MORRISON SCHOOL, UM, THAT IS NOT AN OVERNIGHT, UM, A SOLUTION, BUT I APPRECIATE THE WAY THE SCHOOL BOARD IS, AND DR. WRIGHT AND HIS STAFF HAVE GONE ABOUT IT, THAT DOING THIS AS A KNEE JERK REACTION, THEY'RE BEING VERY THOUGHTFUL AND METHODICAL AND, UM, I, FOR ONE, WANNA GIVE THEM THE LEEWAY AND STAY OUT OF THEIR WAY WHEN THEY'RE READY TO COME TO US AND ASK US TO HELP THEM.
UM, WE'LL BE THERE TO, TO DO SO.
UM, ON SEPTEMBER 9TH, ATTENDED THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING AND THEIR WORK SESSION.
WANNA GIVE KUDOS OUT TO MRS. WALT.
SHE, UM, EXPLAINED VERY WELL THE PROCESS FOR THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS AND THINGS OF COUNTY BUILDINGS TO, UM, FOR THEM TO INDIVIDUALLY, UM, RANK THE PRIORITIZATION OF ALL THOSE PROJECTS AND, AND ITEMS, AND THEN COME TOGETHER COLLABORATIVELY AND DISCUSS THEM.
AND THEN AT SOME POINT THEY'LL BE COMING TO US TO DO, UM, TO WORK TOGETHER.
AND I JUST THINK IT'S A, A GREAT WAY OF GOING ABOUT, UM, WHAT COME, YOU KNOW, THE PECKING ORDER OF THINGS.
WE ALL KNOW IT'S GONNA CHANGE.
I MEAN, WHO WOULD'VE THOUGHT WE'D BE LOOKING AT A SCHOOL WITH THE, THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING, UM, TRYING TO COLLAPSE.
SO IT'S A FLUID THING, BUT AT LEAST IT'S GONNA BE WELL THOUGHT THROUGH.
AND I APPRECIATE, YOU KNOW, YOU, SHE HAD AN ITEMIZED BOOK BINDER.
UM, YOU JUST DO A VERY NICE JOB AND I APPRECIATE YOU.
SHE WAS VERY MUCH ALISON MUTTER TOO.
AND IT WAS A VERY GOOD, UM, I, I LEARNED A LOT THAT NIGHT.
UM, BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER MEETING WE HAD AT SEPTEMBER 10TH AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING.
UM, CONCERNS OVER, UM, YOU KNOW, RESPONSE TIME AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO, UH, CHIEF BONNO AND ASSISTANT CHIEF JERRY MADO PUT ON A VERY GOOD PRESENTATION.
IT WAS A GOOD QUESTION ANSWER.
I, I THOUGHT IT WAS, UM, WELL ATTENDED, WELL RECEIVED.
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I, I, I APPRECIATE THE EFFORT THAT, UH, FIRE AND RESCUE PUT IN TO, UM, TALK WITH THE COMMUNITY.YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES JUST LISTENING TO SOMEONE GOES A LONG WAY.
UM, SEPTEMBER 11TH, I TOO ATTENDED THE NINE 11, UM, MEMORIAL SERVICE.
AND, UM, I DO APPRECIATE, UH, AND ALL THE EFFORT THAT WENT INTO THAT.
UM, IT WAS A VERY SOLEMN, UM, EVENT.
MY GRANDSON GOT A, A LITTLE EMOTIONAL OVER THE SOLEMN, HE'S TWO YEARS OLD, AND IT SURPRISED ME.
I HAD TO TAKE HIM TO THE CAR, NOT BECAUSE HE WAS THROWING A FIT, BUT BECAUSE HE JUST STARTED WHIMPERING BECAUSE HE, HE SENSED THE SOLEMN, I GUESS.
BUT FIRE AND RESCUE PERKED HIM UP BY TAKING HIM AND PUTTING HIM ON A FIRE TRUCK.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR THAT.
UM, UH, THIS 14TH YESTERDAY, I HAD A SAMUEL'S LIBRARY MEETING AND, UM, EXPLAINED TO THEM AS BEST I COULD, THE PROCESS FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT, UH, PRIORITIZATION THAT WAS GONNA GO ON, THAT WOULD, UH, INVOLVE THAT BUILDING AS WELL.
AND, UM, THEN I WENT TO THE BROWNTOWN MEETING LAST NIGHT, AND, UM, THAT WAS ANOTHER GOOD MEETING.
UM, THEY HAVE DONE SOME WORK ON THE BUILDING, IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN THERE, THE KITCHEN WAS TOTALLY REDUNDANT.
I ATTENDED THE TRIAD MEETING, UH, EXPO.
I THINK THEY HAD CLOSE AND I THINK 175 REGISTERED IT.
THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE PEOPLE THERE THAN THAT.
A LARGE NUMBER OF VENDORS WITH ALL KINDS OF, UM, COMMUNITY OUTREACH.
THE SPEAKERS THAT WERE THERE, UM, SPOKE ON, UM, FINANCE WITH THE, WITH THE ELDERLY, BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WAS THE SPEAKER.
AND I'VE GOT HIS NAME IN MY BAG, BUT I'M NOT GONNA TAKE THE TIME TO PULL IT OUT.
UM, SPOKE TO THEM ON SCAMMING.
UM, THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT THIS PHONE, JUST BY TAPPING, UM, YOU KNOW, LIKE IF YOU WANT SOMEONE TO TAKE YOUR PICTURE, IF YOU'RE OUT ON A VACATION AND YOU HAND YOUR PHONE TO SOMEONE AND SAYS, TAKE MY PICTURE.
AND THEY SAY, OH, I LOST YOUR, YOUR PHOTO PART, THEY CAN ACTUALLY BE GETTING INTO YOUR PHONE TO STEAL YOUR INFORMATION OFF YOUR PHONE.
SO IT WAS A LOT OF THINGS WITH THIS PHONE THAT I HAD NO IDEA THAT YOU SHOULD BE VERY CAREFUL OF QR CODES, UM, PARKING, EVIDENTLY AT DIFFERENT PLACES, PEOPLE SCAM YOU, UM, WITH QR CODES FOR PARKING LOTS.
I PERSONALLY, I DON'T LIKE, I DON'T DO ANYTHING FINANCIAL ON MY PHONE, SO, BUT, UM, A LOT OF PEOPLE DO.
SO IT WAS, IT WAS VERY WELL ATTENDED AND A LOT OF GOOD INFORMATION.
UM, THEY HAVE ONE EVERY YEAR SO IF YOU'VE NOT BEEN, IT'S, IT'S A REALLY GOOD RESOURCE, UM, TO GO TO.
AND, UM, THEN I HAD A-C-P-M-T MEETING, WHICH IS COMMUNITY POLICY AND MANAGEMENT THAT, UH, WE COVER THE FINANCIAL, UH, FUNDING FOR, UM, FOSTER CHILDREN AND CHILDREN WITH SPECIAL NEEDS IN THE SCHOOLS.
UM, UPCOMING EVENTS THAT I WANTED TO KIND OF PUT OUT THERE.
UM, THIS WEEKEND FROM 12 TO THREE, CHESTER GAP IS HAVING A, UH, SAFETY OPEN HOUSE.
UH, SOUTHMORE FIRE DEPARTMENT IS HAVING AN INDOOR YARD SALE, SO THAT'S ONE OF THEIR FUNDRAISERS.
BROWNTOWN COMMUNITY CENTER IS ALSO HAVING ON THE 17TH AND 18TH YARD SALE, UM, OCTOBER 3RD, UM, IS THE FOUR H CENTER.
THEY'RE HAVING A FUNDRAISER AT THE VALLEY GOLF CLUB.
INFORMATION'S ON FACEBOOK FOR THAT.
UM, SO IF YOU WANNA HELP SUPPORT THAT STARTS AT SIX O'CLOCK.
THERE'S A LOT GOING ON ON OCTOBER 3RD.
OCTOBER 3RD, AND YOU'LL PROBABLY SPEAK MORE TO IT, IS THE NEXT VIRGINIA TWO 50 WARREN COUNTY, UM, EVENT AT ROCKLAND PARK.
AND THAT'S GOING TO BE HUGE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, AN ENCAMPMENT AND SO FORTH.
UM, OCTOBER 4TH, WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUES, UH, STARTS THEIR FIRE PREVENTION WEEK KICKOFF.
AND THAT'S FROM, IF I GOT IT RIGHT, 11 TO ONE AT FRONT ROW VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT.
I DIDN'T WANT, IT SEEMS SHORT THIS YEAR, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE I DIDN'T GET THAT WRONG.
ALSO, UM, IF YOU'RE INTERESTED IN CHICKEN BARBECUE, THE SOUTH WARREN FIRE DEPARTMENT IS
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TAKING ORDERS FOR, UM, BARBECUE CHICKEN HALVES, AND I THINK THEY'RE $7 A HALF.AND YOU CAN CALL AND PLACE AN ORDER NOW AND YOU PICK THEM UP, UM, THE 19TH AT ONE O'CLOCK AT THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.
AND ANYONE THAT'S INTERESTED, I CAN GIVE YOU THAT PHONE NUMBER IF YOU, UH, CONTACT ME.
UM, A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP, UH, AS FAR AS, UH, POSITIONS THAT WE NEED TO FILL THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, WE NEED FIVE PEOPLE FOR THAT.
I'M NOT SURE HOW MANY WE HAVE.
SOME OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THEM IN THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS MAY BE COMING BACK.
UM, SO IF YOU'RE INTERESTED, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, UM, LOOKS AT YOUR REASSESSMENT.
YOU CAN APPEAL FIRST TO THE APPRAISER AND THEN YOU HAVE A SECOND APPEAL TO THAT BOARD.
SO, UM, WE NEED FIVE PEOPLE TO BE ON THAT TO LISTEN TO ANY APPEALS THAT ANYONE WANTS TO DO.
AND THE SOONER THE BETTER BECAUSE WE NEED TO GET, AS WE ALL KNOW, THOSE THINGS STARTED SHOWING UP IN OUR MAILBOXES LAST WEEK.
SO HERE'S YOUR OPPORTUNITY, UM, IF YOU WANNA SERVE ON THAT OR, UM, TO GET LINED UP FOR YOUR APPEAL AS WELL.
UM, ALSO TALKING ABOUT WATER, AND I KNOW I'M TAKING A LOT OF TIME.
THE ONE THING TO SAY WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING, I THINK WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL ON HOW THE DENSITY OF OUR DEVELOPMENTS, UM, IN OUR COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.
UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR SURROUNDING COUNTIES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S LARGER AMOUNT OF LAND TO BUILD A HOUSE ON.
SO THE SMALLER AMOUNTS OF YOUR LOTS MEANS THE MORE BACK OUT IN THE RURAL AREAS MEANS IF YOU'RE BUILD ABLE TO BUILD ON A HALF ACRE OR AN ACRE LOT, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A WHOLE LOT MORE.
WELL, IN SEPTICS, IF YOU INCREASE YOUR LOT SIZES, YOU INCREASE YOUR, YOU KNOW, DECREASE THE DEMAND ON THE GROUNDWATER.
SO THAT WAS JUST ONE THOUGHT I HAD THAT WE DO HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL OVER THAT, NOT ON THE PLACES THAT HAVE ALREADY PREVIOUSLY BEEN PLANTED, OF COURSE, BUT FOR FUTURE, UM, LARGE ACRES OF LAND THAT MIGHT COME OPEN, UM, FOR DEVELOPMENT.
AND AS FAR AS, UM, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH WORK SESSIONS, INCREASING WORK SESSIONS, BUT I, I WOULD LIKE NOT TO THROW 'EM OUT THERE SPORADICALLY BECAUSE THAT DOES LIMIT, UM, THE TIMEFRAME FOR THE PUBLIC TO BE NOTIFIED.
AND IT, IT JUST KIND OF GETS, UH, CHAOTIC AS FAR AS THAT.
I THINK WE NEED TO SET DATES AND THOSE ARE GONNA BE THE DATES SO THAT WHEN WE PUT THAT ADVERTISED SCHEDULE, IT'S THERE AND THEN IT'S NOT, OH, WELL THEY HAD ANOTHER MEETING OFF THAT SCHEDULE.
UM, THAT THEN LOOKS LIKE WE ARE DOING THINGS AND NOT BEING AS OPEN AND TRANSPARENT ABOUT IT.
SO, UM, I GUESS WE'LL FIGURE OUT IF EVERYBODY'S AVAILABLE FOR NEXT WEEK, BUT I THINK THAT FIRST MEETING THAT WE HAVE DESIGNATED TO HAVE IT FOR WORK SESSIONS AND THE PEOPLE ARE BECOMING USED TO IT, THAT FOR ME AT LEAST, I, I THINK WE SHOULD DO THAT UNLESS SOMETHING UNFORESEEN COMES UP.
MS. MEADOWS, I'VE GOT A LIST TODAY AND I WILL GO OVER THE CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS.
UM, FIRST I WANTED TO PROVIDE KIND OF A CLARIFYING COMMENT.
SOMEBODY MADE A COMMENT ABOUT US HAVING FAILED AUDITS.
WE HAVE TWO OUTSTANDING AUDITS.
UM, THE AUDITS HAVE BEEN DELAYED, HOWEVER, UM, THERE WERE THREE ITEMS THAT THE AUDITORS WERE REQUESTING.
THEY'VE ALL BEEN SENT TO THE AUDITORS.
WE ARE STILL ANTICIPATING THAT THE AUDIT WILL BE COMPLETED BY THE END OF THIS MONTH AND THEREFORE IT WOULD BE PRESENTED TO YOU, UM, THE FOLLOWING MONTH.
UM, WITH THE FY 25 AUDIT, WE ARE CONFIDENT THAT BARRY DUNN WILL COMPLETE THE CASH RECONCILIATION FOR THE TREASURER'S OFFICE IN OCTOBER.
AND WE WILL STILL BE ON TRACK TO BE COMPLETED WITH THAT AUDIT BY DECEMBER 15TH, UM, 26TH.
OF COURSE, WE'RE GATHERING INFORMATION FOR THAT AUDIT, UM, FROM ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS.
AND WE ARE VERY CONFIDENT THAT DEPENDING ON THE AUDITOR'S TIMELINE, THAT'S GONNA BE THE TRICK AS TO WHEN THEY'LL BE ABLE TO FIT IN A THIRD AUDIT.
UM, BUT I JUST WANTED TO GIVE AN UPDATE ON THAT.
UM, ALL TEAMS HAVE BEEN WORKING VERY HARD IN ORDER TO PLAY CATCH UP.
UM, I THINK THE AUDITORS ARE PROBABLY VERY SICK OF US
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AT THIS POINT, BUT THEY'RE DOING A GREAT JOB OF MAKING SURE THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY NEED, UM, BETWEEN GARY DUNN, THE FINANCE DEPARTMENT TREASURER, AND THE SCHOOLS AND SOCIAL SERVICES, EVERYONE'S COMMUNICATING VERY FLUIDLY.UM, I WOULD LIKE TO LET EVERYONE KNOW THAT TODAY IS IT PROFESSIONALS STAY.
WE HAVE A VERY STRONG TEAM THAT HAS DONE AN AMAZING JOB THIS YEAR AND I JUST WANNA TAKE THE TIME TO THANK THEM FOR THAT.
UM, IT'S ALSO NATIONAL VOTER REGISTRATION DAY.
WE STARTED EARLY VOTING LAST WEEK AND IF YOU ARE NOT REGISTERED TO VOTE, PLEASE VOTE.
AND I REALIZE I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN ON THE TIME.
I WANNA SAY IT'S FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 2:00 PM IT IS THE HAZARDOUS HOUSEHOLD WASTE COLLECTION, SO IT'LL BE HERE AT THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AND IT IS NOT FOR BUSINESSES.
UM, WE HAVE IT POSTED, UM, AND WE WILL MAKE SURE THAT IT'S ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA AS WELL.
UM, WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE AWARE AS WELL.
AND MS. OS ACTUALLY REFERRED TO IT.
UM, THERE IS A FREE MEDICAL CLINIC IN LERAY FOR TWO DAYS.
THAT WILL BE PROVIDING MEDICAL, DENTAL, AND VISION WORK.
HOWEVER, PEOPLE DO NEED TO REGISTER FOR IT.
WE WILL BE SHARING THE FLYERS FOR THAT.
UM, AND POSTING IT ON OUR SOCIAL MEDIA SO THAT THE PUBLIC CAN REGISTER.
UM, IT IS THROUGH QR CODE, SO
UM, YOU MAY ASK WHY THERE'S A BLUE TAPE IN THE BOARD ROOM.
UM, WE REALIZE DURING THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING THAT UM, OUR DAZ IS NOT A DA ACCESSIBLE AND WHEN SOMEBODY IS STRUGGLING TO GET TO THE DAZ BECAUSE THEY CANNOT GO UP STEPS, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE.
SO WE'LL BE INSTALLING A RAMP ON THIS SIDE AND WE'LL KEEP YOU ALLALL POSTED WITH THAT.
UM, LIBERTY DAY IS COMING UP OCTOBER 3RD.
IT IS A ROCKLAND PARK, SO WE'LL HAVE A LOT OF LIVING HISTORY DEMONSTRATIONS.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING WITH A LOT OF DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS.
UM, I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE VERY EXCITED THAT, UM, THE BATTLEFIELDS FOUNDATION IS GONNA BRING A CANNON.
SO I'M A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT THE NOISE.
I THINK THE FAMILIES AROUND THERE WILL BE A LITTLE SURPRISED WHEN THEY HEAR A CANON GO OFF.
UM, AND NOW CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS.
WE DO HAVE A LOT, UM, THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION, WE NEED AT LEAST THREE MEMBERS PLUS ONE ALTERNATE.
WE LIKE TO HAVE TWO IN CASE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION, WE DO HAVE THE FORK DISTRICT SEAT OPEN, UM, FOR THE WARREN COUNTY FAMILY ASSESSMENT AND PLANNING TEAM.
SO YOU'LL HEAR SOMEONE REFER TO F WE NEED A PARENT REPRESENTATIVE FOR THIS.
AND THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, WE HAVE THREE VACANCIES.
SHANNON WOODS SANITARY DISTRICT HAS ONE VACANCY AND THE AGRICULTURAL AND FORESTAL DISTRICT ADVISORY COMMITTEE.
WE HAVE VACANCIES IN THE FORK, HAPPY CREEK AND NORTH RIVER DISTRICTS.
AND THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS.
WE HAVE VACANCIES FOR THE BOTH SHENANDOAH AND FORK DISTRICT.
AND FOR THE TOW BOARD WE HAVE, UH, FORK DISTRICT, BCA A.
WE HAVE ONE INDIVIDUAL WHO IS LOOKING TO STEP DOWN IN THE SHENANDOAH DISTRICT.
WE JUST, WE'RE LOOKING FOR POTENTIAL REPLACEMENT.
UM, IT'S IMPORTANT WITH THAT WE, WHEN WE DON'T HAVE QUORUM, WE CAN'T HAVE A MEETING.
SO THERE ARE THINGS THAT WE RECENTLY HAD THAT HAPPEN, SO WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU'RE ABLE TO KIND OF HELP US TO FACILITATE THAT.
AND THEN THE SHENANDOAH FARMS SANITARY DISTRICT, WE HAVE ONE VACANCY AS WELL.
AND ALL OF THESE, YOU CAN ACCESS IT THROUGH.
ZACH, CAN YOU SPECIFY, IS IT THROUGH CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS ON THE CI CITIZEN PAGE? PERFECT.
YES, BUT IT'S UNDER, IF YOU GO UNDER RESIDENCE, THERE'LL BE A DROPDOWN BOX AND YOU CLICK CITIZEN APPOINTMENTS AND ALL OF THOSE VACANCIES AND THE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THEY ARE WILL BE LISTED THERE.
AND IF YOU KEEP SCROLLING DOWN, YOU CAN APPLY FOR THEM DIRECTLY ON THAT PAGE.
AND THEN I WILL GET THAT EMAIL ONCE IT'S DONE AND I'LL FORWARD THAT TO THE SUPERVISORS AND ANY OTHER STAFF WHO MAY BE VESTED IN IT.
AND IF SOMEONE DOES NOT WANNA DO IT ONLINE, THEY CAN COME INTO THE GOVERNMENT CENTER AND TO ADMINISTRATION AND WE'LL HELP THEM DO IT ON A PAPER FORMAT.
YEAH, I JUST HAD A COUPLE THINGS MM-HMM
I CAN, AND ONE MAY BE A COUPLE ADDITIONS, UM, FOR THE WORK SESSIONS.
FIRST OFF, I APPRECIATE SHERMAN CALLERS ABOUT TRYING TO GET THE WORK SESSIONS DOWN AND IT SEEMS LIKE WE'VE, WE'VE TACKED ON
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WORK SESSIONS TO REGULAR MEETINGS BEFORE AND I DON'T KNOW IN THE PAST THE TWO REGULAR MEETINGS AND MAYBE ONE MEETING A MONTH FOR WORK SESSIONS.'CAUSE LIKE I SAID, THERE'S A LONG, LONG LIST OF THINGS TO DO.
WE CERTAINLY DON'T WANT 'EM TO GO ON ALL NIGHT, BUT, BUT WHATEVER.
BUT ANOTHER COUPLE THINGS MAYBE FOR THIS COMING TUESDAY AND AGAIN, WHAT MS. CALLER SAID ABOUT YOUR PHONE AND TRACKING ALL LIKE THAT.
AND I THOUGHT I'D ASK FOR SOMETHING TO BE ON THE AGENDA REGARDING THE FLOCK CAMERAS LAST TIME.
SO THAT COULD BE, AND I KNOW I GOT SOMETHING FROM, UH, SHERIFF KLEIN AND SHE OFFERED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION IN OUR PRESENTATION.
AND IT'S JUST LIKE ANYTHING ELSE, IT HAS SOME GOOD POINTS AND IT HAS SOME CONCERNING POINTS.
AND I KNOW THAT I THINK HARRISONBURG JUST SUSPENDED OR GOT RID OF THEIR 30 CAMERAS.
A LOT OF LOCALITIES ARE RE-LOOKING AT IT.
AND I MAINLY BROUGHT IT UP BECAUSE THERE'S A COUPLE CONSTITUENTS THAT SENT, UH, UH, THEIR CONCERNS.
SO I THOUGHT WE COULD BRING THAT UP AND, AND MAYBE EVEN START OFF IN A WORK SESSION AND, AND GO FROM THERE.
AGAIN, I DON'T WANT THIS TO BE TOO LENGTHY, SO I'LL LET YOU, UH, PICK AND CHOOSE.
AND THE OTHER THING TOO IS, UM, THE TARGET MARKET INDUSTRIES, AND THIS IS MORE OR LESS LIKE THE EDA THING, BUT IT MIGHT BE WORTHWHILE, UH, TO SEE IF PATRICK'S AVAILABLE TO GO OVER THAT, UH, REPORT, WHICH I BELIEVE IS NOW PUBLIC.
AND IT'S INTERESTING THAT THERE WERE SEVERAL, UM, UH, UH, INDUSTRIES THAT THEY ARE NOT TARGETING AT ALL.
ONE I THINK WAS WAREHOUSING AND THE OTHER ONE WAS DATA CENTERS.
SO JUST TO PUT THAT OUT THERE, WE ARE NOT ACTIVELY PURSUING DATA CENTERS.
SO YOU MAY NOTICE THAT THE SHERIFF IS NOT HERE TODAY.
I'M THERE AT A CONFERENCE THIS WEEK.
SO SHE WILL BE HERE AT THE NEXT MEETING IN ORDER TO OKAY.
UM, I DO WANNA THANK MR. STAMMER FOR GOING TO THE TOURISM MEETING.
[H.1. Approval of Accounts ]
AT APPROPRIATIONS TRANSFERS AND APPROVAL OF COUNTS, APPROVAL OF ACCOUNTS.IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS, DISCUSSION ON THOSE? IF NOT, IS THERE A MOTION ROLL COUNT? I MOVE TO APPROVE THE ACCOUNT AS PRESENTED.
I DID NOT HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THEM.
[H.2. Appropriations and Transfers ]
TRANSFERS.ANY QUESTIONS OR DISCUSSION ON THOSE? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION I MOVE TO APPROVE THE APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS AS PRESENTED? SECOND.
[I. Approval of Minutes ]
SEPTEMBER 1ST REGULAR MEETING.ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS, ADDITIONS OR DELETIONS? HEARING NONE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED.
[J. Consent Agenda ]
ITEMS TO POOL NUMBER SIX, PLEASE.NUMBER SEVEN THROUGH 11 PLEASE.
IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA WITH THE REMOVAL OF 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, AND 20? SO MOVED.
[J.6. Citizen Reappointment - David Harrison to the Warren County Planning Commission (Fork) ]
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NUMBER SIX.UM, YEAH, THE REASON I PULLED THIS, UH, IS I KNOW WE HAVE SOMEONE TO, UM, POTENTIALLY APPROVE TONIGHT.
UM, BUT I'D NOTE A FEW OTHER THINGS.
UH, ONE IS THERE WAS CONFUSION IN THE PUBLIC THAT, UH, THAT MR. BARNHART HAD EVEN STEPPED DOWN AND THAT THERE WAS A VACANCY.
UM, AND UH, SECONDLY THAT, UH, AS OF TODAY WE HAVE ANOTHER APPLICANT.
UM, SO DUE TO THAT, I'D, I'D PERSONALLY PREFER WE GO THROUGH THE INTERVIEW PROCESS.
UM, THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS HAD A LOT OF CHURN RECENTLY AND, AND SOME WOULD SAY SOME, SOME BAD OPTICS.
UH, SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THIS RIGHT.
UM, AND TO ME THE BEST WAY TO START WITH THAT IS, IS TO HAVE A POOL OF CANDIDATES, UH, WHERE WE CAN COMPARE THEIR SKILLS AND, UH, INTERVIEW THEM INDIVIDUALLY.
SO, ANY OTHER DISCUSSION? I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE SPOT FILLED QUICKLY.
UH, I HAD SOLICITED FOR ONE CANDIDATE.
UH, I WASN'T AWARE OF A SECOND ONE.
IT MUST HAVE BEEN FAIRLY RECENT.
UH, CAN WE DO IT, IF WE'RE DOING A WORK SESSION TUESDAY, CAN WE DO IT THE END? 'CAUSE I DON'T WANT THAT SPOT SITTING OPEN.
WE COULD MAKE A SPECIAL MEETING AND WE COULD ACTUALLY APPOINT THAT PERSON THAT NIGHT.
BUT AT FIRST I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST WE DO THE INTERVIEWS AND HAVE THE BOTH CANDIDATES COME IN AT FOUR, I GUESS.
AND THEN WHAT, 15 MINUTES EACH AND THEN WE GO AND HOWEVER WE NEED TO DO THE, UM, THE, UM, THE, I DON'T KNOW, THE, THE INTERVIEWS AND WE COME OUTTA THERE AND THEN WE COULD GO AHEAD AND APPOINT SOMEBODY.
'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, UM, THEY'VE GOT, THEY, THEY'VE GOT A MEETING I THINK THE SEVENTH.
SO IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ON BOARD.
YEAH, I WOULD LUCKY TO GET THEIR FEET WET.
I DON'T WANT 'EM, I DON'T WANT AN EMPTY SEAT.
IF WE GET MORE APPLICANTS BETWEEN NOW AND THE 22ND, UM, MAY THAT HAVE TO COME IN? THAT MAY, THAT MAY ALTER, I MEAN, THAT EVENING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S, WE'RE PACKING ON A WHOLE LOT FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
WELL, WE ARE, BUT THEN WE ALSO, YOU KNOW, BRING UP STUFF OUT THERE.
BUT I THINK THE MOST IMPORTANT THING AT THIS POINT IS THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
OH, I DON'T DISAGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN MENTIONED SO FAR, BUT I'M JUST SAYING I KNOW, UM, I DON'T WANT ANYBODY UPSET IF WE GET SEVERAL INTERVIEWS THAT'S A HALF AN HOUR, AT LEAST A PIECE AND THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT ARE WANTED ON THAT WORK SESSION ARE PROBABLY GONNA GET BUMPED.
SO, SO WE'RE ALL AWARE OF THAT.
THE OTHER THING TOO IS I'D LIKE TO SEE IN THE FUTURE, AND I DON'T KNOW HOW FAR WE WE WANT TO GO, BUT AT LEAST THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PROBABLY THE BZA TO CONDUCT INTERVIEWS, EVEN IF THERE'S ONE MEMBER, UH, THAT PUTS FORTH AN APPLICATION.
AND AGAIN, I JUST THINK IT WAS, UH, TO ME IT'S JUST LIKE A COMMON COURTESY.
IF SOMEBODY'S WILLING TO PUT A APPLICATION IN, WE SHOULD AT LEAST INTERVIEW THEM AND SEE.
AND, AND EVEN IF THEY'RE NOT CONSIDERED MAYBE FOR THE POSITION THEY APPLIED FOR, THEY MAY BE AVAILABLE FOR THE BOARD OF EQUALIZATION.
OR LIKE YOU SAID, WE'VE GOT MANY, MANY OPENINGS.
SO THAT'S, PEOPLE ARE INVOLVED.
I THINK WE JUST NEED TO SET A STANDARD AND STICK TO IT BECAUSE ON ONE HAND WE SAY HISTORICALLY IT'S BEEN DONE LIKE THIS, AND THEN THE NEXT TIME, NO, WE ARE GONNA DO IT.
SO WE NEED TO BE CONSISTENT IS ALL I WANNA GET OUT OF THIS, UM, AS FAR AS HOW WE DO IT, UM, AND SET THAT AS THE WAY IT'S GONNA BE DONE INSTEAD OF FLIP FLOPPING ON IT, UH, FROM TIME TO TIME.
SO, UM, HAVING SAID THAT, IS THERE A MOTION, MR. STAN MEYER, THAT YOU WANNA MAKE? UH, YEAH, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE TABLE THE PLANNING COMMISSION APPOINTMENT UNTIL, UH, EXISTING CANDIDATES AND ANY NEW CANDIDATES CAN BE INTERVIEWED ON TUESDAY, THE, THE 22ND OF SEPTEMBER.
THAT WOULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING SO WE COULD MAKE THE APPOINTMENT THAT NIGHT.
DID MR. HAMDEN, WERE YOU GONNA SAY SOMETHING? I'M SORRY.
I WAS GETTING A QUESTION FROM SUPERVISOR CARTER ABOUT THE SPECIAL MEETING.
I MEAN, IF THE CHAIR CALLS IT AS A SPECIAL MEETING, WHICH I I DIDN'T HEAR ANY OBJECTION TO.
UM, DO WE HAVE THE ALLOTTED DAYS TO ADVERTISE THAT? YOU HAVE TIME TO DO THAT? YES.
OKAY, THEN WE'LL CALL IT AS A SPECIAL MEETING.
MR. HENDERSON, ROLL CALL PLEASE.
[J.7. Economic Development Business Friendly Incentives - Administrative Approval of Site Plans ]
SEVEN.[02:25:05]
HOW ARE WE GONNA, IS, IS KELLY GONNA COME UP? NO.IS KELLY COME IN? YEAH, IF, UM, OH, PATRICK HERE.
SEVEN IS, UH, THE FRIENDLY INCENTIVES AND MRS. WALL AND MR. BARKER WILL ANSWER QUESTIONS.
AND DO SOME EXPLAINING ON THIS ONE.
WE DID HAVE A, A WORK SESSION JUNE 2ND ON THIS, UM, ON ALL THESE ITEMS. UM, OKAY.
I JUST WANNA PREFACE THIS BY STATING THAT I APPRECIATED THE QUALITY OF THE, OF THE PRESENTATION THAT I RECEIVED IN A MEETING.
AND I APPRECIATE THE IDEAS AND I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THE IDEAS I WHAT THE, ALL MY REASON FOR POLLING THIS IS SIMPLY THAT I THINK ALL OF US ABOARD ADMINISTRATION CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF AIRING SOME OF THIS OUT BEFORE WE GET TO THIS POINT.
I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M APPRECIATIVE OF AND NOT DISAGREEABLE TO THESE THINGS.
UM, JUST A SMALL POINT TOO IS THAT, THAT THE PART OF THE PRESENTATION WAS THAT A SEPTEMBER 10TH OR SEPTEMBER 15TH WAS PRESENT TO FULL BOARD AT THE WORK SESSION FOR OPEN DISCUSSION.
AND WE'RE NOT OUTTA WORK SESSION ON A REGULAR MEETING.
SO, UM, AND, AND I DON'T WANT TO BELABOR THIS.
I I DO WANT THIS TO BE A, UH, AN OPPORTUNITY FOR, FOR MR. BARKER AND MRS. WALL TO ESSENTIALLY GIVE THE PUBLIC A FIRST LOOK AT THIS.
UM, AND, UM, SORRY, I LOST MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT.
THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M HOPING FOR IS FOR, FOR THE PUBLIC TO GET, GET FIRST LOOK AT THIS AND IF, IF IT'S, IF YOU CAN FIT IT IN OR FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WEDGE IT IN TO, UM, SORT OF HEADLINE IT WITH, WITH THIS, UH, NEWS RELEASE THAT DRAFTED THE TARGET INDUSTRY RECOMMENDATIONS.
'CAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK IN TERMS OF OUR TIMING THAT WASN'T GREAT WAS THAT THIS DIDN'T GET AIRED OUT BEFORE THE PE PEOPLE SAW THE, THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
SO THERE'S THIS SORT OF, AS I MENTIONED, A BIT OF A TRUST DEFICIT IN THE COUNTY AND WE NEED TO WORK ON THAT.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE THE BEST EFFORTS IN THAT REGARD.
THIS IS, SO THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE PUBLIC, THEY DON'T HAVE THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
THERE'S NOTHING FOR THE PUBLIC, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
IT'S ABOUT, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RESOLUTIONS THAT, THAT GIVE INSTRUCTIONS TO STAFF TO MOVE IN A SPECIFIC DIRECTION.
SO I, I'M, I'M NOT SAYING WE'RE DOING ORDINANCES TONIGHT.
I'M JUST SAYING, I, WHAT I SAID WAS, IT'S A SUBSTANTIVE STEP IN THIS DIRECTION BEFORE THE PUBLIC HAS BEEN AWARE OF WHAT THESE RESOLUTIONS ARE.
SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING PERIOD OF PUBLIC EDUCATION OPPORTUNITY FOR FEEDBACK BEFORE WE DO IT.
IT'S NOT AN OPPOSITION TO THEM.
IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, SAYING WE'RE DOING SOMETHING WE'RE NOT DOING.
WOULD IT MAKE MAKE SENSE TO HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR THE PUBLIC TO LOOK AT, TO, TO TALK? THIS IS NOT, WE'RE NOT EVEN AT THAT STAGE.
NO, BUT WE COULD BE IF WE VOTE THIS AWAY.
BUT THE POINT IS, IF WE'RE GONNA DIRECT STAFF TO DO SOMETHING, MIGHT THE PUBLIC LIKE TO HAVE SOME INPUT AS TO WHETHER THAT'S THE DIRECTION THAT THEY WOULD BE PUSHED OR WITH MODIFICATIONS? THAT'S THE POINT.
UM, I, I WANTED TO MAKE ONE POINT, AND I DON'T DISPUTE ANYTHING THAT'S BEEN SAID.
UM, I, I DO THINK WE, WE MEANING US AS A COUNTY, NOT NECESSARILY THE BOARD, AND NOT NECESSARILY STAFF, BUT ALL OF US MAYBE MISSED AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO, UM, SOCIALIZE THIS.
BUT, UH, I, I DID WANNA RESPOND TO CERTAIN THINGS I SAW IN SOCIAL MEDIA COMPARING THIS TO LIKE MORE EDA AND THE FACT THIS CREDIT CREDIBILITY GAP, UM, ORIGINATING FROM THE EDA SCANDAL.
I JUST WANT TO CALL OUT THAT THIS IS NOT EDA.
UM, AND, UH, THE EDA WAS ITS OWN THING.
UM, THIS IS UNDER OUR DIRECTION WITH OUR OVERSIGHT AND WITH US HAVING BEEN BRIEFED ALONG THE WAY, UH, BY STAFF.
UH, I GUESS I, I DON'T RECALL THE DETAILS OF THE JUNE WORK SESSION, BUT THERE WERE, WE HAD MEETINGS WITH, WITH THE TWO WHO ARE IN FRONT OF US NOW.
AND WE HAVE, UM, I MEAN, RICH, YOU SAID YOU AGREE WITH THE IDEAS AND, AND, AND YOU DON'T DISPUTE THE PLAN.
UM, BUT JUST TO LET THE PUBLIC KNOW THIS IS, THIS IS NOT EDA AND IT'S, IT'S NOT MORE OF THAT.
THIS IS A, A VERY DIFFERENT BEAST.
AND, AND THAT WE'VE BEEN WATCHING IT CLOSELY.
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AND MAYBE THE BEST WAY TO DO THIS IS INSTEAD OF SPEAKING ON EACH INDIVIDUALLY, IS JUST MAYBE SPEAKING TO THAT STRATEGIC PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AND THEN JUST QUICKLY TOUCH IN THE FACT THAT THERE'S GONNA BE MORE OUTREACH WITH ALL OF THIS.IT WILL GO THROUGH SEVERAL, UM, WORK SESSIONS AND SO FORTH, AND THEN PUBLIC HEARINGS ON EVERYTHING.
SO THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF TIME.
I KNOW MYSELF PERSONALLY, I PLAN TO HAVE, UM, ANOTHER COMMUNITY MEETING, WHICH I HOPE TO INVITE YOU TO.
AND THERE COULD BE QUESTION ANSWERS THERE TOO.
SO, YOU KNOW, FOR US TO REACH OUT, HOWEVER, THE COMFORT LEVEL IS OF EACH OF US INDIVIDUALLY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS.
THIS TONIGHT, SINCE WE KNEW WE WANTED TO PULL 'EM BECAUSE OF THE CONFUSION IN THE COMMUNITY, WAS JUST TO GIVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY SINCE JUNE 2ND WORK SESSION TO SPEAK TO THIS, TO START PAVING THE ROAD TO THE END RESULT AND GETTING EVERYBODY'S COMFORT LEVEL.
IS EVERYBODY AGREEABLE ON THE BOARD TO DO IT THAT WAY? SAY IT.
MS. WALL AND MR. BARKER, GO AHEAD AND TOUCH BASE ON ALL THE YEP.
FOUR, BUT THEN WE STILL HAVE TO VOTE ON EACH ONE INDIVIDUALLY.
YES, AND JUST TO TOUCH BASE REAL QUICK FROM WHAT MR. UH, STEINER SAID, UM, THE EDA, WHICH FORMALLY IS THE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF FRONT WORLD, THEY ARE STILL IN EXISTENCE AND THEY'RE STILL DOING WHATEVER THEY CAN.
MR. BARKER HAS BEEN HIRED AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE COUNTY.
HE ANSWERS TO THE ADMINISTRATOR AND THEN, BUT HE TAKES, TAKES GUIDANCE FROM THE BOARD AS WELL AS HAVING INPUT FROM PUBLIC, OTHER BUSINESSES, THE WHOLE THING.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, AND I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING THAT UP, SIR, AND I'VE GOT OTHER THINGS, BUT WELL, LEMME SEE.
UM, AND AS, AS MS. COLORER SAID, AND I'VE GOT A COPY OF IT, I FOUND IT YOUR SIX MONTH PLAN AND YOUR 12 MONTH PLAN.
AND IN THE, THE PLAN, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE FIRST MONTH YOU WERE GONNA DO INITIAL ASSESSMENTS AND YOU PRESENTED THIS ON JUNE 2ND IN A PUBLIC MEETING.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA MEET WITH THE BOARD AND THE TOWN COUNCIL, UH, THE NUMBER, UH, MONTH TWO TARGET INDUSTRIES, WHICH YOU'VE PRETTY MUCH COMPLETED THAT I, I THINK BEFORE YOU GOT HERE, I MENTIONED IT, IT'S KIND OF OUT THERE NOW.
UM, AND THEN MONTH THREE DEVELOPED STRATEGY, MISSION, GOALS, NUMBER FOUR, INCENTIVE POLICY, AND THAT'S NUMBER NINE ON THE AGENDA TONIGHT.
SO YOU'RE REALLY FOLLOWING THIS.
AND IT WAS OUT THERE, BUT AGAIN, IT MAYBE WAS NOT AS PROMOTED AS MUCH.
UM, AND THEN MONTH SIX, DECEMBER, THE ADOPTION OF THE INCENTIVE POLICY.
SO THOSE THINGS ARE THERE AND WE'RE MOVING TOWARDS IT.
AND THE THING IS TOO, UH, WITH THESE THINGS, UH, MS. WALL AND, AND, AND, UH, MR. BARKER DID MEET WITH US INDIVIDUALLY TO GO OVER THESE THINGS AND THAT'S WHY I DON'T IF YOU WERE HERE OR NOT, DEPENDING ON THE TIMEFRAME.
MAYBE TUESDAY WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER RECAP.
I'M PILING STUFF UP, SO WE'LL PROBABLY WON'T GET OUTTA HERE TILL EARLY MORNING.
BUT AGAIN, TO GO OVER THAT IF THAT WORKS OUT TO, TO SAY WHERE WE'RE AT.
BUT I HAVE OTHER THINGS TO SAY, BUT I'LL LET YOU TALK.
AGAIN, THESE POLICIES ARE, ARE REALLY MEANT TO BRING WARREN COUNTY TO AT THE SAME LEVEL IN SOME PLACES AND ABOVE IN OTHER PLACES TO THE COMMUNITIES THAT YOU ALL ARE COMPETING WITH TODAY FOR, FOR BUSINESS PROJECTS RIGHT NOW, YOU KNOW, ALL COLLECTIVELY, THE, OUR PROCESS IS AT ABOUT 180 DAYS MORE THAN OUR COMPETITORS DO.
AND THEN IN THE DAY, IN, IN THE CURRENT STATE RIGHT NOW WHERE TIME IS EVERYTHING FOR BUSINESSES, THEY'RE NOT GONNA WAIT 180 DAYS AND HOPE AT THE END OF THAT THEY HAVE SOMETHING, THEY HAVE TOO MANY OPTIONS TO GO WITH RIGHT NOW.
SO IT'S ALL, WHAT MOST OF THESE ACTIVITIES ARE DOING IS SIMPLY TRYING TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD FOR THE, FOR THE COUNTY AND ITS CITIZENS.
UH, THAT'S REALLY THE EXTENT OF WHAT WE'RE DOING WITH THESE AND TRYING TO PROVIDE, PARTICULARLY WITH THE INCENTIVE POLICY, MORE TRANSPARENCY, MORE MORE UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT.
UM, THAT'S AS SIMPLE AS IT GETS.
WELL I, UM, I KNOW THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF CONCERN OF, AND I THINK A LOT OF IT WAS MAYBE PEOPLE DIDN'T READ IT ALL OR DIDN'T, YOU KNOW, JUST DIDN'T COMPREHEND.
BUT THIS JUST SETS YOU ON A COURSE OF A PLAN TO BRING BACK TO US.
AND IT GOES FROM THERE AND YOUR STRATEGIC, UM, THE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE IDENTIFIED, UM, PUBLIC INPUT ON THOSE ARE, ARE WELCOME.
I KNOW AT THE LAST BOARD MEETING, YOU KNOW, I SAID, I KNOW WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.
HOW ABOUT TELLING US WHAT YOU DO WANT? I I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T HAD
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ANYONE REPLY BACK TO ME ON THAT.BUT, UM, WE KNOW THAT WE DO NOT WANT DATA CENTERS.
THAT'S NOT EVEN A, AND THAT'S NOT TARGET, NOT IN ANY OF OUR MINDS.
UM, AND I WANNA SAY THAT LOUD AND CLEAR MM-HMM
SO, UM, I ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO READ, UM, WHAT HAS BEEN PUBLISHED OUT AND IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS TO REACH OUT, UM, EVERYBODY IS MORE THAN HAPPY TO, TO DISCUSS THIS.
WE WANT COMMUNITY INVOLVEMENT.
AND, UM, I, LIKE I SAID, FOR ME, I, I LIKE HAVING COMMUNITY MEETINGS.
I USUALLY DO 'EM IN THE FALL OF EACH YEAR.
SO I'M GLAD TO HAVE THAT AS PART OF THE THINGS THAT CAN BE ON THAT DISCUSSION.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHAT'S IN FRONT OF YOU OUTSIDE OF THE, THE, THE WATER, UM, ASPECT.
THEY'RE ALL JUST A KICKSTART PROCESSES.
THERE'S NO CHANGE HAPPENING TODAY FROM ANY ACTIONS YOU OTHER THAN TO DIRECT STAFF TO PUT TOGETHER THE INFORMATION THAT'S NEEDED THAT'LL GO THROUGH MULTIPLE LAYERS AND MULTIPLE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PUBLIC INPUT.
UM, THAT, YOU KNOW, SO THAT, THAT'S THAT PART.
THE TRANSPARENCY HAS GOTTA BE THERE AND IT'S ALREADY SET UP FOR THAT PURPOSE.
AND THIS IS, AND AGAIN, WITH THE WATER SIDE OF IT, I MEAN WHAT YOU DO IS RIGHT NOW IS YOU HAVE TO, WHEN SOMEONE COMES, THEY HAVE TO GET YOUR APPROVAL OF THE CENTER REQUEST FOR THE TOWN.
AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE TOWN'S THE ONE THAT ULTIMATELY IS GOING TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THEY GRANT IT OR NOT.
SO YOU ALL RUBBER STAMPING IT OR APPROVING IT IS IN THE FACTORS OF THE PROCESS.
AND, AND, AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET YOU ALL AT THE SAME LEVEL OF HOPEFULLY BETTER THAN SOME OF YOUR COMPETITION.
'CAUSE THAT'S WHEN YOU ARE GONNA WIN THE BEAUTY OF WARREN COUNTY FOR ROYAL, THAT WE'RE SMALL AND WE CAN BE NIMBLE.
AND THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO WITH THIS IS TRY TO BE NIMBLE SO WHEN COMPANIES COME INSIDE THE TARGETS THAT WE'RE SEEKING, THAT WE CAN REACT QUICKLY AND GET TO THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT NEXT LEVEL WITH THEM BEFORE THE COMPETITION DOES.
'CAUSE IT'S A PROCESS OF ELIMINATION AT FIRST, NOT NOT SELECTION, AND WHAT RIGHT NOW HAS HAPPENED.
YOU ARE BEING ELIMINATED BECAUSE THEY SEE THE TIME PROCESS AND OTHERS DON'T HAVE IT AND THEY MOVE ON.
I JUST WANNA REITERATE, I MEAN THIS IS A STARTING POINT.
YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMETHING TO START WITH AND THAT'S WHAT THIS IS.
AND AS FAR AS THE TIMEFRAME I'M LOOKING AT, UH, TWO OF THE ITEMS, THEY, THEY GO TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION FOR ORDINANCE CHANGES.
UH, WHO'S THE DIRECTOR OF THE PLANNING? NO.
SO, UM, THE EARLIEST WOULD BE OCTOBER THEY WOULD ADVERTISE, I'M SAYING ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC.
I'M SAYING THE EARLIEST NOT GONNA BE THAT, UH, UH, THEY WOULD ADVERTISE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING AND THEN THEY'D HAVE IT IN NOVEMBER.
THEY PASSED US, WE'D HAVE TO ADVERTISE IN DECEMBER AND THEN WE'D HAVE JANUARY.
THAT'S STILL FOUR MONTHS AWAY.
DURING THAT LONG PROCESS, THERE'S GONNA BE AMPLE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO CHIME IN TO OFFER SUGGESTIONS WORK.
YOU ABSOLUTELY WANNA HEAR THAT.
SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, WE'LL BE OKAY ON THIS.
AND THEN THE OTHER TWO, UM, I THINK IT'S MORE OR LESS FOR STAFF AND, AND WHATEVER, AND I WOULD SUGGEST POSSIBLY WHEN YOU GET, MAYBE HAVE A TYPE OF PUBLIC HEARING ON THAT AS WELL, EVEN THOUGH IT MAY NOT BE REQUIRED OR SOME TYPE OF, I THINK A WORK SESSION FORMAT WOULD BE GOOD WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE INCENTIVE POLICY AND THE FAST TRACK PERMITTING.
I THINK WHEN THOSE WOULD BE BETTER, YOU KNOW, IF WE, IF THERE'S A WORK SESSION, THAT OPPORTUNITY THAT FITS WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO INTRODUCE THOSE TO YOU ALL ON THE PUBLIC AND BEFORE IT BECOMES THE ACTUAL, BUT THE ONLY THING, THE WORK SESSION, THERE'S USUALLY NOT ANY, UH, COMMENT PERIOD FOR THE PUBLIC.
BUT THERE AGAIN, WE HAD THE PUBLIC, WE NEED FIGURE OUT A WAY TO DO THAT.
BUT AGAIN, I THINK MOST, MOST OF THOSE TWO ARE FAIRLY BENIGN, UM, IN THE PROCESS.
SO, UM, BUT AGAIN, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THE PUBLIC TO SEE AND UNDERSTAND THAT 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALL LINKED.
UM, I DO HAVE ONE QUESTION ON THE WATER TOPIC.
UH, THE NUMBER 200,000 IS IN THERE WITHOUT A TIMEFRAME.
IS IT 2000? 200,000 GALLONS A DAY.
UH, THAT, THAT IS BASED ON THE RESEARCH THAT WE HAVE DONE BASED ON THE TARGETS THAT ARE IN THERE AS GENERALLY THE HIGH END OF THEIR NEED.
AND, AND AGAIN, IT'S NOT A NUMBER, IT'S NOT A NUMBER PICKED OUT OF THIN AIR.
THERE'S, THERE'S, THERE'S A RATIONAL NEXUS BEHIND THAT AND THAT'S $200,000 A DAY AND THE TOWN WOULD HAVE TO DECIDE IF THEY CAN ABSOLUTELY SUPPLY THAT MUCH.
IT MIGHT, MAY OR MAY NOT BE WITHIN THERE, THE TOWN MAY DECIDE NOT TO.
AGAIN, THIS IS A TWO, WHAT WE'RE DO, WHAT I'M DOING HERE IS TO KIND OF, FOR A LOT OF THINGS A TWO STEP PROCESS YEAH.
IS STARTING WITH FIRST WITH WARREN AND TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, TRY TO GET IT, GET OUR, YOU KNOW, OUR OURSELF LEVEL TO THE COMPETITION MM-HMM
AND THEN IT'LL BE DOING SOMETHING SIMILAR YET DIFFERENT MM-HMM
COULD WE CORRECT IT JUST TO SAY PER DAY IN THE ABSOLUTELY DOCUMENT? OKAY.
IT SHOULD BE, AND, AND JUST FOR A REFERENCE POINT, WE, WE PASSED ONE OF THESE TODAY, JUST A MINUTE AGO.
J FIVE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA WAS FOR EURO GROUP AND IT WAS 800 GALLONS A DAY.
SO I THINK THAT'S MORE TYPICAL, BUT WITHOUT A CHANGE, YOU KNOW, THEY COULD HAVE HAD THIS, THEY COULD HAVE GONE STRAIGHT TO THE TOWN, YOU KNOW, AND, UH, AND NOT
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HAD TO HAVE AN EXTRA HURDLE.SO YEAH, AGAIN, I'LL JUST REITERATE LITERALLY WHAT MOST EVERYTHING WE'RE DOING, IF ALL WE'RE DOING HERE IS TRYING TO LEVEL THE PLAYING FIELD THAT, YOU KNOW, YOUR COMPETITION AND THE FREDERICKS AND SHENANDOAHS, YOU KNOW, AND THE LOUDON'S AND SUCH ALL HAVE, YOU KNOW, THESE THINGS, YOU KNOW, THESE TIMEFRAMES A LOT LESS THAN WHAT YOU ALL DO.
AGAIN, IT'S 180 DAYS MORE RIGHT NOW.
ANYONE IS IN BUSINESS KNOWS THAT'S A LONG TIME TO MAYBE GET PERMISSION TO DO WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.
AND THAT'S JUST SIMPLY TOO LONG IF YOU'RE TRYING TO, TRYING TO GET THE RIGHT KIND OF COMPANIES FOR THIS COMMUNITY.
THE ONLY OTHER THING TOO, AND I DON'T KNOW, I WENT BACK TO TRY TO FIND THE SIX MONTH PLAN, WHICH YOU PRESENTED TO US, AND WHEN I LOOKED AT THE AGENDAS, THERE REALLY WASN'T A BACKGROUND.
SO I THINK THIS MAY HAVE BEEN PASSED OUT AT THE MEETING.
SO DO YOU THINK IT'S POSSIBLE, I KNOW IT'S POSSIBLE.
I KNOW YOU WORKED ON YOUR WEBSITE TO MAYBE PUT THIS ON YOUR WEBSITE TO SHOW WHAT THE, I MEAN, THIS IS NOT CONFIDENTIAL TO SHOW WHAT THE SIX AND 12 MONTH GOALS ARE.
I WILL SAY IT'S DEFINITELY CHANGED SINCE THEN AS WE TALKED ABOUT WHEN WE, WHEN WE GOT IN, THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, OUR, THE, MY THOUGHT GOING IN WITH IT WAS GONNA BE SUBJECT AND IT, IT HAS CHANGED AND, AND WE'VE HAD TO PIVOT IN SOME AREAS.
BUT, UM, WE CAN PROBABLY GO THROUGH AND UPDATE THAT IN SOME KIND OF ROUGH COURSE AND, AND GET THAT OUT THERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR DISCUSSION? THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH.
IS THERE A MOTION? MADAM CHAIR? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE RESOLUTION OF WARREN COUNTY CODE OF BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECTING THE PREPARATION OF A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO ADMIT WARREN COUNTY CODE 180 DASH SIX FOUR APPLICATION REQUIREMENTS.
NO, WE'RE NOT SUPPOSED TO COMMENT BEFORE VOTES, BUT I'M GOING TO ANYWAY.
UM, AS I SAID ON MY, MY MY BOARD REPORT, THE PEOPLE THAT I'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK THROUGH EACH ONE OF THESE, IT MADE SENSE TO THEM.
AND MY ONLY OBJECTION TO THIS WHOLE THING WAS THAT I THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN THE, THE PUBLIC OUTREACH AND THE COMMUNICATION COULD HAVE BEEN BETTER.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, AND AND RESPONDING TO MR. HENRY, I'M, I'M NOT AGAINST THEM.
UH, MY WHOLE ISSUE IS WITH HOW, HOW WE WENT ABOUT IT.
I THINK WE CAN DO BETTER AND I HOPE WE DO BETTER IN THE FUTURE.
UM, I'M SORRY FOR THIS SPEECH BEFORE MY VOTE, BUT I'M, I'M GONNA VOTE.
[J.8. Economic Development Business Friendly Incentives - Resolution for Approval to Request Water & Sewer Service from the Town of Front Royal ]
EIGHT, ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, BUSINESS FRIENDLY INCENTIVES RESOLUTION TO, FOR APPROVAL TO REQUEST WATER AND SEWER SERVICE FROM THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.IS THERE A MOTION? I THINK WE NEED TO AMEND THAT THOUGH BECAUSE THE, THE MOU SAYS NUMBER, THE MOU SAYS UH, 200,000 BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE A TIMEFRAME, SO WE NEED TO AT LEAST CHANGE THAT TO 2000, 200,000 GALLONS PER DAY.
SO IS THAT YOUR MOTION THAT I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION TO UH, APPROVE WITH THAT CHANGE.
[J.9. Economic Development Business Friendly Incentives - Approval of Incentive Policy ]
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS FRIENDLY INCENTIVES.I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECT THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO PREPARE AN INCENTIVE POLICY ESTABLISHING ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA AND PROCESSES FOR COUNTY BUSINESS INCENTIVES.
[J.10. Economic Development Business Friendly Incentives - Fast-Track Permitting Policy for Target Industries ]
DEVELOPMENT BUSINESS FRIENDLY INCENTIVES, FAST TRACK PERMITTING POLICY FOR TARGET INDUSTRIES? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECT STAFF TO PREPARE FAST TRACK PERMITTING POLICY, ESTABLISHING EXPEDITED REVIEW PROCEDURES, ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA, AND ANY ASSOCIATED FEES FOR QUALIFYING TARGET INDUSTRY PROJECTS FOR BOARD CONSIDERATION.[J.11. Economic Development Business Friendly Incentives - Updates to the Industrial Zoning Code for Alignment with the Goals and Objectives of the Comprehensive Plan.]
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ALIGNMENT WITH GOALS AND OBJECTIVES OF THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN.IS THERE DISCUSSION OR A MOTION? I MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT A RESOLUTION OF THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECTING THE PREPARATION OF A DRAFT ORDINANCE TO AMEND WARREN COUNTY CODE SECTION OR ONE EIGHT SECTION 180 DASH 28 INDUSTRIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
[J.20. Purchase Order for Linden Fire Station Drainage/Apron Project ]
PURCHASE ORDER FOR LINDEN FIRE STATION.MR. HENRY? OH, I READ THROUGH ONE PLACE WHERE IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS A COST PLUS PROJECT AND THEN IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS TWO OR THREE DIFFERENT OPTIONS AND THEN IT'S $261,000 TO POUR APRON IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING, REPAY FROM THERE OUT TO THE STREET.
UM, IT SEEMED HIGH AND THEN THAT, UH, AND I WAS CURIOUS WHETHER IT ACTUALLY WENT OUT FOR A BID AND THIS IS A FIXED PRICE, BUT UH, YOU READ THROUGH IT, IT KIND OF, IT'S NOT REAL CLEAR.
MS. SCOTT, YOU'RE GONNA BE THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTIONS? YES.
SPECIFICALLY TO THE LAST PART.
THIS DID NOT GO OUT FOR BID BECAUSE WE DO HAVE A, HAVE A CONTRACT WITH GEI FOR FIRM FIXED PRICING TIME OF MATERIALS.
AND SO THIS PURCHASE ORDER IS JUST FOR THE AWARD OF THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT AS IT'S OVER $50,000.
SO THE COMPETITIVE PRICING HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED WITH GEI THROUGH A PREVIOUS IFB THAT WAS ISSUED.
SO IT IS STILL A COMPETITIVE PROCUREMENT.
SO IT IS COST PLUS, IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY A OR IT'S NOT TO EXCEED 2 61.
IS THAT WHAT THAT MEANS? THAT IS CORRECT.
IT IS A TIME OF MATERIALS CONTRACT TO NOT EXCEED THAT DOLLAR AMOUNT OF THE PURCHASE ORDER.
SO IT COULD COME IN LESS PER SE.
IT COULD COME IN LESS CERTAINLY.
DOES ANYBODY THINK IT'S WORTH SENDING OUT FOR A FIXED BID? 'CAUSE IT'S SUCH AN EXPENSIVE, YOU KNOW, IT IS A QUARTER MILLION DOLLAR PROJECT FOR REDOING A PARKING LOT.
I I, I'M, I'M A LITTLE BIT IN THE INDUSTRY, BUT YOU KNOW, I LOOKED AT THE SPECS.
IT IS 10 INCHES CONCRETE AND IT'S SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE EVERY DAY WITH THE REBAR AND STUFF, BUT IT, IT, IT JUST, HOW BIG IS IT? OH, THE CONCRETE WAS PROBABLY THE HELL.
IT'S NOT A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED SQUARE FROM THE BUILDING ALL THE WAY OUT TO THE ROAD.
ABOUT HALF OF ITS CONCRETE, ABOUT HALF OF ITS PAVEMENT.
I THINK IT, IT, WHEN I READ THROUGH IT WAS A 90, CLOSE TO $90,000 TO DEMO, YOU KNOW, TO CUT THE OLD STUFF OUT.
IT JUST, IT, IT, IT JUST SEEMED ALL, SO WITH THIS PROJECT, THE CURRENT APRON IN FRONT OF STATION FOUR, THE WIND FIRE STATION IS CRUMBLING.
THERE ARE DRAINAGE ISSUES WHERE THERE'S A, I'M GONNA SAY A SQUARE BUCKET.
BASICALLY AS WATER RUNS OFF, IT'S SUPPOSED TO GO INTO THAT AND THEN DRAIN INTO UM, THE APPROPRIATE STORM WATER.
UM, BUT WHAT IT'S DOING IS JUST FLOODING INTO THE STATION ITSELF.
SO THIS IS THE WORK DEFINITELY NEEDS DOING.
IT'S RECUTTING AND REDIRECTING ALL OF THE, BASICALLY WHERE THE WATER'S FLOWING.
SO IT'S NOT JUST POURING CONCRETE.
AND RACI DID DO THE PRICING FOR US BASED OFF OF WHAT IS NEEDED.
AND THAT IS THE BASICALLY PRICING THAT WE WERE LIKE WHAT OPTION DO WE NEED TO GO WITH IT? IT WAS THREE OPTIONS AND THE OPTION'S NOT BEEN SELECTED YET EITHER.
SO IT WAS OPTIONED AS TO WHETHER WE DO JUST THE BAY WHERE THE FIRE ENGINE GOES IN, WHETHER WE DO THE FULL APRON IN FRONT OF THE ENTIRE STATION AND WE WANTED TO DO THE FULL APRON BECAUSE WE MAY SWITCH WHICH BAYS ARE USED AND WE WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ALL OF THEM ARE TAKEN CARE OF AND CONSIDERED.
'CAUSE YOU WANT THE SLOPE ALL GOING TO THE SAME DIRECTION INSTEAD OF ONLY DEALING WITH PART OF THE PROBLEM.
HOW, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME THAT, THAT GETTING MORE QUOTES WOULD, WOULD SET THIS BACK.
AN IFB IS USUALLY A LITTLE OVER A MONTH LONG, SO WE WOULD DEFINITELY PUSH THE PROJECT OUT A MONTH.
BUT THEN IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT POURING CONCRETE, WE'RE GOING INTO THE WINTER MONTHS.
THE TIMEFRAME OF THE WINTER MONTHS MIGHT HOLD UP THAT PROJECT.
IS, IS THERE ANY WAY TO DO AN ACCELERATED RFP? WE COULD DO AN ACCELERATED IFB.
UM, IT WOULD TAKE ABOUT MINIMUM 10 DAYS TO BE OUT.
SO IF WE ISSUED IT ON MONDAY, HAD IT OUT FOR 10 DAYS, UM, WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO HAVE ONSITE PRE-BID
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MEETINGS AS WELL.IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS AT THAT, THAT WOULD EXTEND IT OUT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER.
UM, AND THEN YOU WOULD AWARD IT AT THE NEXT TIME YOU MEET.
WAS THERE A DECISION TO, TO USE? WHAT DID YOU CALL IT? WE HAVE SOME KIND OF ESTABLISHED CONTRACT.
IT'S A TIME OF MATERIALS CONTRACT WITH GEI SPECIFICALLY WHERE WE HAD PREVIOUSLY, PREVIOUSLY SENT OUT INVITATIONS FOR BIDS FOR SPECIFIC TYPES OF SERVICES THAT WE NEEDED THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY FOR DIFFERENT DEPARTMENTS.
SO IS THERE, IS THERE A HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THIS COMPANY? THE COUNTY HAS, THERE'S HISTORY OF WORKING WITH THIS COMPANY.
I HAVE WORKED WITH THEM, UM, A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT LOCALITIES.
I DO FIND THEIR PRICING TO BE FAIR AND REASONABLE.
SO THERE'S A RECORD OF KNOWING THAT THERE IS THIS THIS IS A KNOWN VENDOR.
UH, QUALIFIED VENDOR TO THE COUNTY.
THEY WORK IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT TOO SOMETIMES.
THIS, THIS, IT JUST LOOKED LIKE A LOT OF MONEY.
THEY'RE ALSO A VDOT CONTRACTOR AS WELL.
SO THEY, I'VE DONE WORK WITH THE STATE.
THEY DID THE, UH, ROAD IMPROVEMENT ON OLD OAK.
WITH ALL THOSE CULVERTS AND THEY DID UM, THE BENTONVILLE BOAT LANDING.
UM, DID THEY DO MORGANS SPORT? I'M NOT SURE THAT ONE.
IF YOU ARE A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION.
UM, DID GRACIE DO, DID RACY DO, DID RACY DO THE ESTIMATED PRICE OR DID GI RACY.
SEE I WOULD RATHER HEAR WITH THE, NO OFFENSE TO RACY, BUT HE'S SITTING IN AN OFFICE.
I'D RATHER, WELL THEY'VE DONE A SITE VISIT TOO, BUT I'D RATHER GUY ACTUALLY GOING TO WORK AT LEAST GIVE THE ESTIMATE.
THEY, THEY ARE WORKING ON AN ESTIMATE.
THIS IS THE PO SO WE WOULDN'T SPEND BEYOND IT.
UM, THIS ISN'T THEIR PRICING FOR THE PROJECT.
SO THIS IS A A, THIS IS AN ENGINEER'S, THIS IS THE ENGINEER'S PRICING.
THIS IS AN ENGINEER SAYING IT WON'T COST MORE THAN THIS, INCLUDING A CONTINGENCY.
BUT THEN, THEN THE CONTRACTOR WILL KNOW THIS NUMBER
WELL AND THE CONTRACTOR KNOWS BASICALLY IF YOU GO OUT TO BED, KIND OF WHAT ALL THE INFORMATION WOULD BE OUT THERE TOO.
SO I, I'D LIKE TO SEE HIS, THE ACTUAL CONTRACTOR'S PRICE WERE PUT IT OUT TO BID.
I THINK THAT'S AN EXCELLENT IDEA.
UH, I THINK WE COULD GIVE THE R'S UM, PLANS TO GE AND HAVE THEM QUOTED OUT FOR US AND THEN WE MIGHT GET A LITTLE TIGHTER ON THAT PRICING.
SO, UM, YEAH, I MEAN I KNOW I DON'T THINK IT'S A $50,000 PROJECT, BUT TWO 60 SEEMED A LITTLE, ESPECIALLY WITH ROUGHLY 90 OF IT BEING THE CUTTING IT A LITTLE BIT OF, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOOT OF, LET'S SEE, YOU'RE 10 INCHES, SIX INCH SUB BASE.
A 18 INCH CUT OVER A HUNDRED BY A HUNDRED SQUARE.
I MEAN, I'D LOVE TO HAVE THAT FOR $90,000 I PUT IT TO YOU.
THAT WOULD BE ALL I WOULD DO THIS YEAR.
I DON'T WANNA GET PAID FOR YOU IN TERMS OF TIMING.
I THINK IT'S REASONABLE ENOUGH FOR GEI TO TAKE A LOOK AT EVERYTHING AND GIVE US A, A TIGHTER PRICING THAT WE CAN AWARD TO THE NEXT BOARD SUPERVISORS MEETING ON OCTOBER 6TH.
I THEY ARE ALREADY WORKING, DONE WORKING ON A QUOTE.
SO TIMELINE, I'M NOT SURE IF IT'LL BE BY THE SIXTH, BUT TRY IT.
IS THERE A DO NOT EXCEED THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO MOTION FOR TONIGHT IN TERMS OF A PURCHASE ORDER? NO.
I, I WOULD RATHER HAVE THE PRICE FIRST AND THEN RATHER SAY, HEY YOU CAN SPEND UP TO THIS MUCH AND EVERYBODY KNOW IT IS THAT OLD NEGOTIATION ADAGE, WHOEVER PUTS OUT THE FIRST NUMBER LOSES
SO THEY'RE NOT EVEN COMPETING
SO, UM, WHAT WOULD YOUR MOTION BE, SIR? OH, IT'S A TABLE TILL WE GET A PRICE FROM UH, GI TO AT LEAST GET THEIR ESTIMATE OR WE COULD PUT IT OUT TO BID EITHER ONE, WHATEVER.
WELL THOSE ARE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS.
WELL IT SOUND LIKE THE, THE, THE GI QUOTE WOULD BE MUCH QUICKER.
AND I GUESS MY CONCERN IS IF WE DON'T GO WITH GEI SINCE WE HAVE A CONTRACT WITH THEM, ARE WE VIOLATING THAT CONTRACT? NO, NOT NECESSARILY.
UM, WE CAN CHOOSE TO USE THEM FOR SPECIFIC PROJECTS.
UM, IN PARTICULAR IF WE TAKE IT OUT FOR BID GEI WOULD THEN BE WELCOME TO BID ON THAT PROJECT.
UM, AND THEY COULD QUOTE US THE SAME TYPE OF MATERIALS THAT THEY DO IN OUR, IN OUR, UH, COUNTY CONTRACT, COUNTYWIDE CONTRACT.
UM, BUT IF WE, IF WE DECIDE NOT TO USE THEM, WE ARE NOT VIOLATING THE CONTRACT THAT WE HAVE WITH THEM SPECIFICALLY.
SO YOU WANT US TO GO OUT TO BED? I DO.
SO I SHOULD MAKE A MOTION FOR THAT? YES.
UH, I MOVE THAT THE, UH, LENDER AND FIRE STATION APRON PROJECT BE PUT OUT TO BID SECOND.
CAN CAN I MODIFY YOUR MOTION PLEASE? ACCELERATED THE, THE WHAT WE DISCUSSED WITH
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HER? YEAH.I HAVE GOT TO STEP IN THAT OTHER ROOM FOR JUST A SECOND.
UM, DO WE ALL WANNA TAKE A FIVE MINUTE BREAK OR MOVE ON? WE'VE GOT ONE MORE ITEM, BUT THAT MIGHT BE A BIT OF A DISCUSSION.
WE, WE GIVE HIM A MINUTE MAYBE.
[K.1. MOU with Town of Front Royal for Tourism Services ]
BUSINESS.THE MOU WITH THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL FOR TOURISM SERVICES AND MS. MEADOWS ARE USED THIS OR MR. HAM OR BOTH? UM, THIS MOU IS THE MOU THAT I HAVE CIRCULATED TO, I THINK THE FULL BOARD.
THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AS TO WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT TO ASSIGN TO IT.
SO I'M GONNA LET THE FIVE OF YOU DECIDE WHAT FORMULA AND WHAT DOLLAR AMOUNT.
'CAUSE I THINK EVERYBODY'S AT A DIFFERENT POINT.
I THINK ORIGINALLY I THINK THE ORIGINAL MOU CAME FROM OVER THERE AND IT WAS, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT 60% OF THE AMOUNT EARMARKED FOR TOURISM.
AND SOMEHOW OR THE OTHER, THEY HAD A, UM, UH, THEY THOUGHT THE, THE BUDGET WAS 367, SO 60% OF THAT WAS ROUGHLY 212,000.
JAMISON CAME UP WITH 33%, BUT IT LOOKED LIKE HE WAS LOOKING AT THE TOTAL TOT, WHICH WE DON'T WANNA DO THE TOTAL TOT.
UM, AND I DON'T KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT SOMEWHERE EITHER TWO 12, I, I'D RATHER DO A A A A LUMP AMOUNT, UH, AS OPPOSED TO A PERCENTAGE AND JUST MAKE IT TWO AND A QUARTER, SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN THAT RANGE.
'CAUSE THAT STILL GIVES US ROUGHLY 200,000 TO DO OTHER THINGS WITH.
I I, I SEEN THAT ORIGINAL AS TOO.
I THINK PETTY WOULD'VE DONE ONE, IT WAS TWO 12 OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
ROUND TO 2 15, 2 20 OR SOMETHING SHE WANNA DO EVEN OF COURSE THEN IT'LL STILL BE, UH, ADJUSTED BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DOING THE WHOLE YEAR.
I, I GUESS, UH, THE, IT'S KIND OF PRORATED BECAUSE IT WOULD RUN TO END OF JUNE.
WELL THAT'S UP TO YOU BECAUSE IF IT'S FOR STAFFING, I MEAN THEY'VE BEEN SPENDING THE MONEY SO YOU COULD STILL GIVE THEM THE FULL ANNUAL AMOUNT OR YOU COULD PRORATE IT IF IT'S FOR VISITOR CENTER STAFFING MARKETING, IT REALLY KIND OF DEPENDS ON HOW YOU WANT TO DO IT OR IT COULD BE PRORATED.
CAN I SPEAK TO THIS FOR A SECOND? YES, SIR.
IT, THE CURRENT ONE THAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS PRORATED AS SUPERVISOR HENRY IS POINTING, POINTED OUT.
UM, PARTLY BECAUSE OF COURSE THE TOWN HASN'T ADOPTED THIS YET EITHER.
AND SO I, I WANTED TO AVOID A SITUATION WHERE MAYBE THE TOWN ADOPTED IT IN JANUARY AND THEN PROVIDED SIX MONTHS OF SERVICE FOR WHAT THE COUNTY CONSIDERED THE WHOLE YEAR.
SO AS CURRENTLY PROVIDED TO YOU, IT IS, IT IS PRORATED, UM, JUST BASED UPON WHENEVER THE TOWN ADOPTS IT AND IT IS FULLY IMPLEMENTED AND THE AMOUNT IN THERE NOW IS 1 49.
BUT YOU, YOU KNOW, YOU CAN CHANGE THAT AMOUNT OR WHATEVER YOU WANT TO, BUT THAT AMOUNT'S PRORATED, THAT AMOUNT IS PRORATED FOR THE FIRST YEAR.
BUT THIS AGREEMENT AUTOMATICALLY RENEWS, SO IT'D BE ONE OF THE FULL 1 49 NEXT YEAR UNLESS Y'ALL DID MORE.
MAYBE THAT'S AN ISSUE TOO FROM THE STANDPOINT IF THEY SIGN OFF ON IT, AND LET'S SAY THE EARLIEST WE COULD AGREE TO START IT WOULD BE OCTOBER ONE.
WE DID NOT RUN FROM OCTOBER ONE TO SEPTEMBER 30TH.
WOULDN'T THAT NOT BE A FULL YEAR? WE JUST, ARE WE TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE AND JUST KEEP IT ON FISCAL YEAR? I WOULD ASSUME.
I'M TRYING TO KEEP IT SIMPLE ON PHYSICAL YEAR AND I, I, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS PHYSICAL YEAR REFERENCE IN OTHER PLACES AND TALKS OF BUDGETS, ET CETERA.
SO I'VE KEPT IT ON FISCAL YEAR.
I THINK THAT WOULD BE OKAY, IF THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS STARTED LONG AGO AND FAR AWAY
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AND UH, AT THAT TIME WE WERE TRYING TO GEAR UP FOR LIKE A FISCAL YEAR TYPE OF THING.AND I GUESS, YOU KNOW, THAT WOULD GIVE US A LITTLE BIT EXTRA MONEY.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF WE, IS THERE SOME WAY THAT WE COULD SAY THAT THE, UH, LINDEN IMPROVEMENTS WERE A TOURISM ITEM?
I, I, I KNOW WE HAVE DISCUSSED THAT THIS WOULD BE A YEAR TRIAL, SO I'M NOT SURE I'M COMFORTABLE WITH AN AUTOMATIC, UM, RE-UP OF IT BECAUSE I THINK WE NEED TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION ON HOW THE YEAR WENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S A LOT OF VAGUENESS IN HERE.
THERE'S NO, UM, OBJECTIVES AND GOALS AND, YOU KNOW, A PLAN REALLY OF WHAT THE TOURISM IS GONNA BE AND WHAT REPRESENTATION THAT THAT IS GONNA GO FOR OUR SIDE.
SO IT'S, I I'VE, I'M JUST A LITTLE UNCOMFORTABLE.
I'M NOT SAYING IT MIGHT WORK OUT GREAT AND WE WANNA LET IT AUTOMATICALLY RENEW, BUT I, I THINK THAT'S, UM, TO HAVE IT AUTOMATICALLY RENEW.
I'M NOT VERY COMFORTABLE WITH AT THIS POINT.
UM, JUST BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THAT IT WOULD BE THAT WE WOULD SIT DOWN, REVIEW AND SEE HOW IT WORKED AND WHAT IT, YOU KNOW, THE PROS AND CONS AND EVERYTHING.
UM, JUST MY, I I HOPE IT WORKS WELL.
WE TRIED THIS YEARS AGO, IT DIDN'T.
UM, SO I, YEAH, IT'S NOT THAT I'M THROWING ANY SHADE THAT I THINK IT WON'T THIS TIME, BUT, UM, IF I COULD A, IF I COULD READ FROM HERE, IT SAYS THE ANNUAL ALLOCATION SHALL BE BASED ON UPON THE ANNUAL BUDGETED MARKETING PROPO PROPOSAL AVAILABLE, TOP REVENUE DEMONSTRATED PERFORMANCE, BUDGET APPROPRIATION COMPLIANCE WITH THE AGREEMENT.
SO, UM, IT REQUIRES A PROPOSAL, RIGHT? AND, AND IT SAYS THAT THE ALLOCATION SHALL BE BASED ON THE ANNUAL, UM, BUDGET OR MARKETING PROPOSAL AVAILABLE TO DEMONSTRATED PERFORMANCE BUDGET PREPARATION, COMPLIANCE WITH AGREEMENT.
SO THERE ARE, THAT'S A LIST OF THINGS THAT, THAT DOESN'T NECESSARILY SAY AUTOMATICALLY.
UM, WELL I'LL SAY YEAH, THOSE THINGS ARE SUPPOSED TO HAPPEN SUPERVISOR JAMESON, BUT IF THEY DON'T, THE COUNTY WOULD HAVE TO PAY THE 1 49 FOR THE NEXT YEAR.
UM, BUT THERE IS A 90 DAY CANCELLATION, SO YOU KNOW, IF Y'ALL CERTAINLY DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED THAT THAT WASN'T, I DIDN'T DRAFT THIS FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP AND SOME OF YOUR AGREEMENTS AUTOMATICALLY RENEWED, SOME OF 'EM DON'T.
SO IT'S, IT'S UP TO THIS, THIS BODY AS TO HOW MUCH MONEY YOU WANNA PROVIDE AND WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO DO AND WHETHER OR NOT YOU WANT IT TO AUTOMATICALLY RENEW.
AND I, I GUESS I'M HEARING SUPERVISOR JAMESON SAY MAYBE HE DOESN'T WANT IT TO AUTOMATICALLY RENEW BECAUSE OF, OF, OF THAT ISSUE OR THE, OR PERHAPS AT LEAST THE, THE, THERE IS NO DOLLAR AMOUNT PROVIDED AUTOMATICALLY.
WELL, UH, MY, I THINK WHEN THE DOLLAR AMOUNT IS A POT IS A, LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT, UM, THIS DRIVEWAY, YOU KNOW, AS A CAP, UH, THERE'S A PROPOSAL MADE, UH, THE PROPOSAL GETS REVIEWED AND MAYBE NEGOTIATED OR WHATEVER, BUT THEN, THEN THERE'S AN AGREEMENT AND UM, THEN THAT'S, UH, THAT AS, AS I SAID, AS IS STATED HERE, UM, IT'S REVIEWED FOR PERFORMANCE AND COMPLAINTS AND ALL THAT KIND OF THING.
I THINK WHEN, WHEN YOU AUTO PUT SOMETHING ON AUTOPILOT, YOU KIND OF LET DOWN THE, THE, THE REVIEW PART AND, AND, UH, IT AT ALL THE PARTNER AGENCIES THAT COME IN DON'T HAVE AN AUTOMATICALLY RENEWABLE DO THEY, THEY THEY GET AN APPROPRIATION EACH YEAR.
SO THAT'S THE KIND OF, I THINK THAT THAT KEEPS IT HIGHER PERFORMANCE THAT KEEPS, KEEPS THE PERFORMANCE UP.
I UM, SO YOU JUST DO IT TILL THE END OF THE FISCAL YEAR TO JUNE AND THEN PRORATE IT, BUT WITH NO RENEWAL.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT DEPENDS ON THE PROPOSAL.
'CAUSE IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN BEEN, CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT CHAIN AS FAR AS THE PRORATION VERSUS NOT? 'CAUSE IF THEY'VE ALREADY BEEN SPENDING MONEY ON, WELL, WELL, AND I GUESS IT'S, DO WE WANT TO REIMBURSE THEM FOR FUNDS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN SPENDING? UM, OR DO WE WANT THEM TO DO THINGS BEYOND WHAT THEY'RE ABLE TO DO CURRENTLY? WELL, WE HAVEN'T SEEN THEIR PROPOSAL, BUT, BUT RIGHT.
AND THAT'S WHERE THIS, THEY HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN NO, YEAH, THEY HAVEN'T SEEN THIS.
WELL, TIME, TIME BOUNCES BACK AND FORTH.
WE'RE GONNA BE CLOSE TO THE END YEAR IF WE DO IT.
SO IF YOU PUT THE RENEWAL IN IT, IT'S NOT REALLY TWO YEARS.
BUT, BUT I GET THE PERCEPTION OF IF IT'D BE NICE TO NEGOTIATE AGAIN WHEN WE DO OUR BUDGET CYCLE TO MAKE SURE, BUT I, I DON'T KNOW IF TIME THEY GET IT DONE, IF THEY ONLY GET TO USE IT SIX MONTHS THAT IT EVEN HAD A FAIR TRIAL TO EXPECT A, A PERFORMANCE STANDARD OUT OF THEM THROUGH THE WINTER, BASICALLY.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S A FAIR PERFORMANCE, YOU KNOW, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE LEAST TOURISTY TIME
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WILL BE THROUGH THE WINTER.WELL, I DON'T THINK IT NEEDS TO BE HELD UP.
I THINK IT JUST NEEDS TO BE TWEAKED A LITTLE BIT WHERE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S DISCUSSION OF HOW WE THINK IT WENT.
THE PROS AND CONS, THE, YOU KNOW, TOURISM IS, IS FLUID.
WHAT YOU'RE NOT GONNA DO CONSISTENTLY EVERY YEAR, THE SAME THING.
YOU'RE GOING TO TWEAK IT AS FAR AS DIFFERENT PROGRAMMING, DIFFERENT EVENTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO I THINK IT NEEDS TO HAVE A PERIOD OF WHAT WENT RIGHT, WHAT DIDN'T, AND ARE WE GONNA STAY THIS WAY OR ARE WE GONNA BRANCH? AND IF IT, IF THE CONTRACT STAYS THE SAME AND IT JUST RENEWS, YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT THE, I, MY, BY THE WAY I THOUGHT THIS WAS GONNA GO IS THERE'S A PROPOSAL THAT GETS MADE EACH TIME.
AND AS YOU SAID, THINGS CHANGE.
SO THE TECHNOLOGY COULD CHANGE, THE VENUES COULD CHANGE.
UM, I DO THINK A, AS I'M THINKING ABOUT THIS, UM, I, I DO THINK IT'S REASONABLE TO GO BACK TO THE START OF THE FISCAL YEAR BECAUSE THEY ARE AL THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY.
I MEAN, THEY'RE DOING, THEY'RE DOING IT.
AND I, I DO THINK IT'S, IT WOULD BE REASONABLE FOR US TO START, WE HAVE ALREADY BUDGETED.
SO I THINK WE COULD START AT FISCAL YEAR AND AS I SAID, THEY'VE BEEN SPENDING THAT.
SO THAT WOULD KIND OF SOLVE THE, THE, THE CLEANLINESS OF THE FISCAL YEAR BREAK.
UM, AND I THINK WE HAVE COLLABORATED, DID IT HELP US WITH THE EDA YOU, MR. HENRY YOU JUST MENTIONED.
THEY HELP US WITH, THERE'S BEEN NO DISCUSSION WITH THEM ABOUT THEM GIVING US MONEY FORMALLY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
SO THAT'S COMPLETELY SEPARATE.
SO IF THEY SAY, NOPE, WE'RE STILL GIVING THEM THIS.
AND THAT'S WHERE THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS.
THERE ARE TWO SEPARATE AGREEMENTS.
BUT IT, IT, IT WOULD BE A, I MEAN I WOULDN'T HAVE ANYBODY'S ARM PER SE, BUT IT WOULD, UH, SO I, IT'D BE A NICE, IT'D BE A NICE, YOU KNOW, I MEAN IF I WAS ON THEIR SIDE AND I'D PUT OUT THE WHOLE YEAR THIS LATE IN THE YEAR, I THINK IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO, THEY DISCUSS IT WITH ME ANYWAY.
LIZZIE DOES THE BUDGET FOR THE TOWN THE SAME WAY THAT OUR DEPARTMENTS DO IT FOR YOU ALL.
AND I DON'T KNOW WHETHER YOU WANT, 'CAUSE I GUESS FOR CONSISTENCY'S SAKE, I WOULD LIKE THEM TO SAY, WE WOULD LIKE THIS MONEY.
THEY DON'T HAVE TO NECESSARILY PRESENT TO YOU, BUT JUST SUBMITTING, THIS IS WHAT WE WOULD LIKE FOR X, Y, Z FOR TOURISM.
AND WE CONSIDER IT AS PART OF OUR BUDGET PROCESS.
UM, I KNOW THAT LAST YEAR WHEN JOE AND I FIRST STARTED TALKING ABOUT THIS, IT WAS, THEY NEEDED ADDITIONAL FUNDING FOR MARKETING.
AND THEN THEY WERE LIKE, WELL WHAT ABOUT THE VISITOR CENTER? I WAS LIKE, MAKES SENSE.
UM, AND THE NUMBERS HAVE VARIED AND I THINK WE PROBABLY TALKED ABOUT EVERY NUMBER ON EARTH AT THIS POINT.
BUT I THINK THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE THEM TELL US HOW MUCH THEY NEED FOR WHAT THEY WANT TO DO.
UM, BECAUSE IF THEY HAVE A PLAN IN PLACE OR IF THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, IF WE HAVE ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE CAN SPEND ON THIS, THIS IS WHAT MORE WE CAN DO.
BUT FOR US SAYING, WELL WHAT CAN YOU DO WITH X, Y, AND Z? WE KIND OF NEED THEM TO SAY HOW MUCH MONEY THEY NEED FOR WHAT.
WELL, THEY ASKED, YOU'RE DESCRIBING PART D ANNUAL PROPOSAL PROCESS.
SO I THINK IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF THIS.
THEY HAD ASKED ORIGINALLY FOR TWO 12, IS WHAT I REMEMBER.
WELL, HERE'S THE THING TOO, AND MAYBE YOU TOUCHED ON IT, BUT YOU SAID RIGHT NOW YOU WERE PRO RATING AT 1 49.
UH, THAT'S NOT A PRORATED NUMBER.
I JUST DID 33% OF THE TOT AMOUNT THAT IS DEDICATED TO TOURISM.
BUT IT SAYS HERE, THE COUNTY SHALL ALLOCATE 149,000 OF THE TOWN FOR DESTINATION MARKETING.
AND THEN IT SAYS DOWN BELOW FOR, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, IF IT'S EXECUTED ON OCTOBER, THE COUNTY ALLOCATION WOULD JUST BE 111,000.
THAT WOULD BE A PRORATED AMOUNT.
BUT I'M SAYING WHAT'S THE TOTAL AMOUNT? 1 49.
WELL, TWO, YOU'VE GOTTA REMEMBER.
OKAY, ARE WE TALKING PERCENTAGE OF AFTER THEY ARE GIVING THEIR FIRST PERCENTAGE OF THE TOTAL? BECAUSE REMEMBER THEY GET, WHAT, 5% JUST FROM THE CORRIDOR.
AND SO YOU, WE GOTTA FIGURE THAT AMOUNT SHOULDN'T BE 33% OF THAT TOO.
5% OF THE TOTAL IS 255,000 ON, UH, UH, CURRENCY AND TAX.
THEY'VE BEEN SPENDING AT LEAST.
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I MEAN WE, WE'VE SEEN VARIOUS NUMBERS FROM TWO 12 UP TO RIGHT.I THINK SOMEWHERE IN THERE IS THE RIGHT BALLPARK.
I LIKE THE IDEA OF IT BEING LUMP SUM BECAUSE NOT ONLY DOES IT GIVE SOME PLANNING ABILITY, BUT IT, THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
DECOUPLES IT FROM AUDITS AND, AND TAX RECEIPT, UH, LATENCY AND SO FORTH.
UH, SO, UM, THE, THE EXACT NUMBER I, I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE IN THE BALLPARK.
WE MAYBE DON'T NEED TO OVERTHINK IT.
I, UH, MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS ON THE AUTORENEW.
I I WOULD PROBABLY TURN THAT OFF.
UH, AND UH, THAT BRINGS THEM BACK FOR A SERIOUS CONVERSATION EVERY, EVERY YEAR.
UH, THE FIRST YEAR WILL BE A SHORT YEAR, BUT THAT BRINGS THEM MORE TO THE TABLE, I THINK, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GETTING OFF ON THE RIGHT FOOT.
SO, WELL, HOW ABOUT THE TWO 12? 'CAUSE THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE ASKED FOR.
WE GIVE THEM THE WHOLE TWO 12.
I CAN LIVE WITH THAT AND I CAN, I'M GOING TO SCRATCH SOME THINGS OUT AND FIX THAT FOR YOU.
WHAT THAT MEANS THOUGH IS THE TOWN COULD ACCEPT IT ON, I'LL, I'LL PICK AN EXTREME SITUATION, YOU KNOW, JUNE 15TH, 2027 AND THEN YOU PAY FOR THE YEAR.
UM, WITHOUT HAVING THE AGREEMENT IN EFFECT JUST YET.
I DON'T THINK THEY WOULD DO THAT.
BUT, UM, THAT WAS THE REASON FOR THE PRORATION.
MAY, MAYBE WE COULD HAVE PRORATION KICK IN AT A CERTAIN POINT.
LIKE IF THEY LIKE IF, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK MIGHT BE A, 'CAUSE I THOUGHT ABOUT DOING THIS WAY ANYWAY.
I DON'T THINK THEY'LL DO THAT, I DON'T THINK.
MY VIEW OF NOT DOING THE PRORATION IS 'CAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY DOING THE WORK AND SPENDING THE MONEY IS ALL WE'RE DOING IS, IS, IS, I CAN'T IMAGINE SAYING NO
WELL, YOU KNOW, THE OTHER IDEA, YOU KNOW, GIVE THEM A REASONABLE PERIOD OF TIME TO ACCEPT THIS.
AND IF, IF YOU WOULD, IF YOU ACCEPT IT BY NOVEMBER 1ST AND IF YOU DON'T ACCEPT IT BY NOVEMBER 1ST, WELL THEN, YOU KNOW, THE BOARD GETS TO THINK ABOUT IT SOME MORE OR PICK A DATE.
I I THINK THEY'LL TAKE IT THOUGH.
SO TWO 12, IS THAT THE NUMBER? UH, $212,465 AND 57 CENTS.
I SUPPOSE TO ASK IF I REMEMBER RIGHT, SO I'M SERIOUSLY, 'CAUSE I'M WRITING IT IN HERE.
212,000 WHAT? ZERO NO, TWO ZERO.
AND WE'RE GONNA PROVIDE THAT THE AGREEMENT WILL BECOME EFFECTIVE UPON THE EFFECTIVE DATE, WHICH IS WHEN THEY SIGN IT AND REMAIN IN EFFECT UNTIL JUNE 30TH, 2027.
RIGHT? WHAT'S OUR MEETING SCHEDULE? IS THE 1ST OF NOVEMBER ENOUGH? IF IT, DO WE NEED TO GIVE THEM TWO? WHAT'S THE MIDDLE OF SEPTEMBER? MIDDLE OF OCTOBER.
WOULD NOVEMBER 15TH BE FAIR? OR PROBABLY NOVEMBER 1ST WOULD BE FINE.
THE JOINT LIAISON MEETING ON OCTOBER 17TH.
WELL, NOVEMBER 1ST WOULD BE FAIR.
AND THE MAIN THINGS TOO, WHICH I THINK'S TOUCHED ON THIS IS NOT TO REPLACE THEIR BUDGET, IT'S TO BE EXTRA.
IS AGAIN, WE TAKE THAT 212,000 AND WE HOLD IT AND THEN THEY COULD GIVE US INVOICES.
I JUST DON'T WANNA TURN THAT OVER TO 'EM.
AND THEN THEY DON'T SPEND IT ON TOURISM, WHICH I KNOW THEY WILL, BUT AT LEAST THIS WAY IT'S VERIFICATION.
SO WE COULD DO IT ON A QUARTERLY BASIS OR, OR WHATEVER.
AND I DON'T THINK THAT'S IN THERE.
BUT THAT COULD BE ANOTHER I WAS GONNA SAY THAT NEEDS TO, TO BE IN THERE.
I THINK THE INVOICING IS IN, I DON'T CARE IF THEY GET IT IN A LUMP, BUT THE INVOICINGS IN THERE.
I'LL JUST, I'LL JUST PUT TERM ARTICLE EIGHT.
THIS AGREEMENT IS ONLY EFFECTIVE IF EXECUTED BY THE TOWN BY, AND I'VE HEARD, I THREW OUT NOVEMBER 1ST.
SUPERVISOR HENRY SUGGESTED NOVEMBER 15TH.
WHAT DATE DO Y'ALL WANT NOVEMBER 1ST WORKS.
THAT, THAT WOULD PUT IT BEFORE OUR FIRST MEETING ON NOVEMBER 4TH.
OBJECT FOR US TO, UM, DISCUSS IT AT LEAST.
AND THEN I'M GONNA LOOK THROUGH THIS AGAIN AND SEE IF THERE'S OTHER AUTO RENEWAL.
SOMETIMES, YOU KNOW, YOU CHANGE A COUPLE LITTLE BITS.
YOU NEED TO READ THE WHOLE THING.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU WANT ME TO TAKE THE TIME TO DO THAT RIGHT NOW, BUT I UNDERSTAND THE GIST OF WHAT YOU ALL WANT TO DO.
AND SO IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MOVE TO APPROVE IT WITH THE CHANGES STATED ON THE RECORD, THEN WE WOULD, I WOULD FIX THIS AND SEND IT TO JANE WHO THEN PRESENT TO THE TOWN.
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HEARING NONE.IS THERE A MOTION FOR ADJOURNMENT? SO MOVED.