* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [A. Call to Order and Pledge of Allegiance of the United States of America] [00:00:09] GOOD EVENING. THANKS FOR EVERYBODY FOR COMING ON TONIGHT. WE'RE GOING TO START WITH A MOMENT OF SILENCE. AND THEN AFTER THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE A PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. AND, UM, FOLLOW THE FAR RIGHT NOW. PLEASE HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE FORCE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. COULD WE ALL STAND FOR THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE? THANK YOU AGAIN FOR COMING TONIGHT. [B. Adoption of Agenda – Additions or Deletions] NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ADOPTION OF THE AGENDA. UH, ARE THERE ANY ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS? YES. UM, MR. CHAIRMAN, I'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE CONSENT AGENDA, THE, UM, PROCLAMATION THAT SEPTEMBER IS LIBRARY CARD. SIGN UP, MOM. THANK YOU. ANYTHING, ANY OTHER ADDITIONS OR SUBTRACTIONS? COULD WE GET AN UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THAT PLEASE? UM, EMILY, WOULD YOU HAVE A ROLE? OH NO, I'M SORRY. THERE WAS NOT MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE ADOPT THE AGENDA AS AMENDED SECOND. AND THE DISCUSSION EMILY COULD AGREE TO GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MISS OATS. HI, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. COLORS. AYE, MR. FOX. [C. Public Comment Period (60 Minute Time Limit)] NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD. AND, UM, IF Y'ALL WILL NOTICE, WE CHANGE IT UP JUST A LITTLE BIT. WE'RE GOING TO HAVE AN HOUR SET OF SET ASIDE FOR YOU TO TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO. SO IF YOU'VE SIGNED UP, WE'LL TAKE YOU IN ORDER AS WE CAN AT SEVEN 30, WE HAVE TO HAVE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND AS CLOSE TO A SEVEN 30 AS WE CAN, WE'LL STOP THAT, BUT WE WILL GO BACK FOR THE ADDITIONAL TIME. UM, SO, UM, MR. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN? YES, SIR. DO YOU WANNA MENTION THE THREE MINUTES, SIR? YES, SIR. UM, IT IS AN HOUR. WE'VE GOT A TIMER SET THAT WE CAN SHOW THREE MINUTES. SO IT'S THREE MINUTES PER PERSON SPEAKING. MRS. DOCKERY. ANYONE TIME? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN NANCY WYNN. HOW ARE YOU GUYS TODAY? ARE WE GOING TO SET IT SO I CAN TALK. WE'RE GOING TO GIVE YOU A FULL THREE MINUTES. GOTTA FIGURE THIS THING OUT. I'LL TALK FAST. I KNOW MY PHONE WAS YOUR ROCKY. YEAH. TECHNICAL THINGS OR TECHNIQUES. WOW. OKAY. I AM ADDRESSING THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ON THE TOPIC OF THE SHADOW FARM SANITARY DISTRICT ADVISORY BOARD. I ATTACHED THE STATEMENT THAT I'VE GAVE EMILY ON A STATEMENT RAW FOR AN ALDI IS SUBMITTED ON THE 17TH. HE MAILED IT AND GAVE IT IN SOCIAL MEDIA. ONE OF THE STATEMENTS IS WE ARE, WE ARE FORTUNATE TO HAVE FUNDING SET ASIDE FOR THREE PROJECTS. CURRENTLY WE DO NOT HAVE FUNDS TO PAY FOR OUR SHARE OF THE NEXT THREE PRIORITIES, WHICH IS THE SIP PLAN. THAT ABOVE STATEMENT IS UNTRUE. THERE IS NO MENTION OF THE EXCESS FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT, [00:05:01] WHICH WAS 2 MILLION, $467,000 TO BE EXACT IN ANY STATEMENT FROM PSF RALPH RINALDI OR THE SANITARY DISTRICT FUNDS SET ASIDE FOR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS ARE BUDGETED IN THE LINE ITEMS OF ALL YEAR'S BUDGETS. IT IS MY OBSERVATION AT THE ADVISORY BOARD DOES NOT POST ANY COMMENTARY ON DISCUSSIONS OR HOLD SEPARATE MEETINGS FOR PROPERTY OWNERS TO DISCUSS THE SANITARY DISTRICT. MY NEXT TOPIC IS ON FOYA. USF HAS RECEIVED OVER $710,000 SINCE 2011 FROM THE SANITARY DISTRICT. I BELIEVE THIS TO BE A MISUSE OF PUBLIC FUNDS PSF COMMUNITY CENTER, UNTIL CURRENTLY IT WAS NOT EVEN LOCATED TO WARREN COUNTY DUE TO THE FACT THAT PSF IS PUBLICLY FUNDED. THEY ARE SUBJECT TO FOYA LETTER FROM RURAL FERNALDO INDICATING THEY ARE MAINTAINED WITH THE WARREN COUNTY FUNDS IN TRUTH. IT'S REALLY THE SANITARY DISTRICT. I HEARD A LAWYER AFTER ATTEMPTS TO FOIL DOC EVENTS FROM USF, WHERE I WAS TOLD THEIR LAWYER ADVISED THEM THAT THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO FOYA. I'VE ALSO ATTACHED TO THAT EMAIL, UM, IN THE MANAGEMENT AGREEMENT, PAGE 10, PARAGRAPH 27 RECORDS AND FINANCIAL INFORMATION CONCERNING MATTERS RELATED TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT SHALL BE MADE AVAILABLE BY PSF BOARD. DO ANY OWNER OF PROPERTY IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT, THE PELVIS BOARD MAY ESTABLISH REASONABLE PROCEDURES TO GOVERN THE DISTRIBUTION OF SUCH PROPERTY. MOST SPECIFICALLY, THE ATTORNEY RECEIVED THE ESTIMATE ON POS IS WANTING TO CHARGE ME $35 AN HOUR WITH WORK BEING AT THE MINIMUM ESTIMATE OF $1,225 AT THE MAXIMUM OF 2,310. MOST SPECIFICALLY TWO YEARS OF BANK STATEMENTS WILL COST ME AT THE MINIMUM OF EIGHT TO 16 HOURS AT $35 AN HOUR, A COMPLETE EIGHT HOUR DAY TO COPY AND PRINT 12 BANK STATEMENTS IS TOTALLY UNREASONABLE, TOTALLY UNREASONABLE. THE UTILITIES ARE THE SAME. THE WHOLE THING IS THE SAME WAY. I GOT 36 SECONDS. THE PAST YEAR I LEARNED OF PARTY PLANNERS, COMMUNITY DAYS, RECREATIONAL COMMITTEES, FATTENED UP BUDGETS ALL AT THE EXPENSE OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT. I DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE IN THE CURRENT SYSTEM FOR ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY DECISIONS ARE MADE BY THE ADVISORY BOARD MONEY ALLOCATED WITH LITTLE TO NO INPUT FROM THE PROPERTY OWNERS. THE SANITARY DISTRICT NEEDS TO HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD THAT SPELLS OUT DENTA TOPICS THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND OPENLY DISCUSS WITH PROPERTY OWNERS. THE EITHER ONLINE MEETINGS HOLD MEETINGS OUTSIDE OF THEIR COMMUNITY CENTER, AND WE AT LEAST HAVE THE DISCUSSIONS POSTED WITHIN THREE DAYS. THANK YOU. THIS IS YOUR ROCKET. ANYONE ELSE? TAYLOR LASKY. WHAT? START, START. I'M READY. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS DARYL OLESKA LIVE IN ONE, FOUR SIX. LOOK UP. WAIT, WAIT. AND THEN IN VIRGINIA, I'M HERE TODAY TO TALK ABOUT THE UNSAFE SHOOTING IN POPULATED AREAS OF WARREN COUNTY. A LITTLE BIT ABOUT MYSELF, MY BACKGROUND I'M RETIRED MILITARY, AND ONE OF MY JOBS WITHIN THE MILITARY WAS A SMARMY INSTRUCTOR AT THE U S AIR FORCE ACADEMY. I'M ALSO A RECIPIENT OF BOTH THE EXPERT RIBBONS FOR A RIFLE AND PISTOL AND THE EXPERT METALS FOR THE NAVY FOR RIFLE AND PISTOL. I'M ALSO RECIPIENT OF THE NRA EXPERT METAL, UH, FOR BOTH THE REASONS I'M HERE IS, UH, ACCORDING TO THE U S GOVERNMENT, UH, DOE IN PARTICULAR, UH, SAFE FRINGES ALIVE FIRINGS SHOULD BE DESIGNATED TO PROPERTY DAMAGE OUTSIDE THE RANGE FROM MISDIRECTION OR ACCIDENTAL FIRINGS ORIC SHADES. THEY SHOULD ALSO BE DESIGNED TO DETECT RICK SHAKES, A WAVE FROM THE FIRING LINE AND INSIDE THE RANGE, THE TOP ELEVATION OR THE EARTH IMPACT BERM SHOULD BE 26 FEET ABOVE THE RAIN SURFACE FOR RANGES. A HUNDRED YARDS OR MORE RANGE IS 50 YARDS OR LESS. IT SHOULD BE 16 FEET HIGH. THE BURBS SHOULD BE DIRT WITH GRASS COVERINGS. THE TUFTS SHOULD BE 10 FEET HIGH. WHY, EXCUSE ME, AND IMPACT SOAP SHOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITH THREE FOOT LAYERS OF EASILY FILTERED SOIL TO RECLAIM THE LIP PROJECTILE FOR YOU AT THE BOULDERS TREES, ROCKS STONES, OR OTHER MATERIAL THOUGH. CAUSE RIC SHAPE PROJECTILE NEEDS TO BE RECOVERED BECAUSE LEAD POISONING, EPA STATUTES, ALL THE HOME FIRING RANGE I'VE SEEN WITHIN WARREN COUNTY BEING SHOT AT AND POPULATE THEIR EARS. I'VE YET TO SEE ONE TO MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS. THE REASON FOR IT IS REQUIREMENTS ARE, IS THE RANGE OF THE PROJECTILES. THE SMALLEST PROJECTILE USUALLY SEEN AS A 22. THE RANGE [00:10:01] OF 22 IS 50, EXCUSE ME, 1,531 YARDS WHERE COURTS INSIDE OF THE BOX ONE AND A HALF MILES. THE RANGE OF A 38 REVOLVER, WHICH IS NOT THAT BIG IS 1,749 TO 2077 YARDS. THE RANGE OF A 40 PISTOL 40 CALIBER PISTOL IS 1093 TO 2086 YARDS. WITH THAT SAID WE'VE HAD PEOPLE WITHIN WARREN COUNTY HAVE HAD PROPERTY DAMAGES AS TO HOW SHOUT AT PEOPLE WHO HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN RICK SHADE ON ONE LADY WAS HIT IN THE NECK WITH A BROWN THAT'S UNSAFE. WE HAVE ALREADY SEEN SEVERAL OF THESE INCIDENTS AND IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE MY WIFE AND MYSELF. WE'VE ASKED YOU TO CONTACTED THE NRA AND THE STATE UP PATROL THE STATE PATROL ACTUALLY SENT A LETTER BACK IN 2019. ALSO AGREEING WITH A SUNDAY'S INCIDENTS. THIS IS NOT A SECOND AMENDMENT, RIGHT? THIS IS SAFETY. SECOND MINIMUM RIGHTS ARE ACTUALLY TAKEN FROM THE, UH, CONSTITUTION OF VIRGINIA, WHICH SAYS IT WILL BE A SAFE DEFENSE THAT IS NOT SAFE. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. ANYONE ELSE? TONY ALAR. OKAY. I DO APOLOGIZE. COULD YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS PLEASE? MY NAME IS TONY ELR JR. I LIVE AT FIVE, FIVE, NINE HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL EYE. AND I WANT TO, UM, SPEAK TODAY ABOUT A LETTER I RECEIVED ABOUT THE POTENTIAL NAMING OF OUR HOME, AND I'M SURE EVERYONE IN THE BOARD HERE HAS RECEIVED MY LETTER, WHICH I MAILED AND I THANK, UH, EMMA RUSH NICK FOR HER COMBINATION THAT SHE'S GOING TO WORK ME ABOUT. UM, ERECTING A ROAD SIGN OFF OF MY LANE OFF OF THE PROPOSED ACCESS ROAD, HARMONY LIGHT HEIGHTS LANE. SO WE CAN STILL MAINTAIN OUR ADDRESS AT FIVE FIVE NINE HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD. WE'VE BEEN HERE SINCE 1996, JUNE 1ST. WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL 50 ACRE FARM. UH, WE RAISED BLACK ANGUS CATTLE. I HAVE 330 FOOT ROAD FRONTAGE ON HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD AND OUR HOUSE LOOKS DIRECTLY TOWARDS HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD. SO I POINTED THESE MEASURES OUT AND INDICATIONS TO EMMA AND SHE WAS KIND ENOUGH TO COMBINATE ME AND I HOPE SHE'S SHARING HER FINDINGS. I'M GOING TO PROVIDE SKETCHES AND DESIGNS OF ADEQUATE SIGNAGE FOR HER TO APPROVE. UH, AND I'M ASSUMING SHE WILL. AND IN TURN WE WILL KEEP OUR FIVE, FIVE, NINE HARMONY ORCHARD ROAD ADDRESS. I THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION IN THIS MATTER, AND I'M VERY PLEASED TO SEE THAT EVERYONE'S WEARING A MESS TODAY. GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANK YOU. THIS IS YOUR AKI. ANYONE ELSE? LINDA MCDONOUGH. I'M LINDA MCDONALD, 1205 HIGH TOP ROAD LINDEN. AND I'M JUST BRINGING IN AGAIN, THE, UM, DOCUMENTS THAT I HAD BROUGHT IN LAST MONTH THAT WAS CUT VERY SHORT AND THREE MINUTES IS A VERY SHORT TIME TO GET THROUGH, UM, SOME OF THE INFORMATION, BUT TO POINT OUT AGAIN, BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, GENDERED MEETINGS THAT I'VE BEEN THROUGH ALL THROUGH THESE YEARS, THE, UM, SHANANDOAH FARMS THAT I WAS A BOARD MEMBER OF AND HAVE BEEN INVOLVED SINCE 2005, UM, TO 2013. AND I HAD BROUGHT CIT GAVE YOU GUYS, UH, COPIES OF THE DOCUMENTS THAT I TURNED IN. HOPEFULLY, MAYBE YOU HAD LOOKED AT THEM ABOUT NOT RAISING OUR TAXES IN 2009 OVER THE PANDEMIC OR THE RECESSION THAT WE WERE HAVING THEN, UM, TO GO THROUGH AND THAT WE DIDN'T WANT THE, UH, PROPERTY TAXES RAISED OR SHANANDOAH FEES RAISED BECAUSE OF, UH, SHANANDOAH FARMS BOARD AND ALL OF THE INCONSISTENCIES. WE HAVE 12 SIGNATURES ON THIS ONE. THERE'S 50 SIGNATURES ON ANOTHER, UH, PETITION THAT I SENT THAT WE PUT BEFORE THE BOARD, UM, THAT WE DIDN'T WANT HIGH TOP ROAD INTO THE ROAD REVENUE SHARE PROJECT, BUT YET IT WAS STILL SHOVED DOWN OUR THROATS ANYWAY, UM, LETTERS FROM, UH, MELISSA CHAPEL, WHITE, WHO LIVES IN THE FARMS, DOGWOOD FARMS, AND THAT, UM, ALL OF THE WAY THAT THE BOARD OF SHANNON FARMS ACTS AND THE LIES THAT GO ON THE CONTINUED LIES, UM, SAME WITH, FROM D SCHOOLS. [00:15:01] THIS IS ALL IN JULY, 2009, SAME THINGS ARE COMING UP AND IT'S 2020 SAME EXACT THINGS OF WHAT THE BOARD OF SHANANDOAH FARMS HAS DONE WITH THE COUNTY. AND I HOPE THAT YOU GUYS DID REVIEW THOSE DOCUMENTS THAT I COPIED OFF AND SENT IN LAST MONTH. UM, EVEN THE ONE FROM MELISSA CHAPEL WHITE, WHERE SHE WAS A RETIRED LAWYER THAT READ THE, UH, SANITARY DISTRICT, UM, THE PETITION TO CREATE THE SANITARY DISTRICT THAT WAS ALL IN THERE. I HAVE THE, UM, THE CASH COW PICTURE OF THE CASH COW THAT WAS TURNED IN IN 2010 WITH ALL OF THE INFORMATION ON THAT AND THAT, UM, IT'S THE SAME STUFF. WE'VE TURNED IN THE SAME INFORMATION SINCE 2005 IT'S 2020. OUR TAXES WERE STILL RAISED THIS YEAR TO THE $85 UNIMPROVED LOTS. UM, IT'S JUST RIDICULOUS. I, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO TO GET THEM TO UNDERSTAND, UM, ALL OF OUR EVIDENCE IS THERE, BUT YET I DON'T SEE HOW SHANANDOAH FARMS HAS EVER BROUGHT FORTH ANY EVIDENCE TO SAY WE'RE WRONG BECAUSE WE'RE NOT WRONG. AND, UM, I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO BE PUT FOR FOUR, IF YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE AN ADVISORY BOARD FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT, I WOULD LIKE TO BE A PART OF THAT. UM, BUT I DO NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF POS F INC. IT'S A FAILED COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO STOP SUPPORTING IT. JUST LIKE WHAT MS. WYNN SAID EARLIER ABOUT THE, YOU KNOW, $2 MILLION, WHERE IS IT IT'S SET ASIDE FOR THIS, THAT, AND THE OTHER THING WHAT'S GOING ON. AND THAT MY LAST THING I WANT TO SAY IS THAT I HAVE THREE DEEDS, TWO OF MY DEEDS, WHERE BEFORE THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND ALL THAT, THEY STATE POS F INC. THEY SAY THE YOUNG'S EVERYTHING, HOW IT WAS CREATED IN OUR BYLAWS. I HAVE A THIRD ONE THAT WE PURCHASED IN 2001, GUESS WHAT? IT HAS THE SHANANDOAH FARM SANITARY DISTRICT, NOTHING ABOUT POS F INC. AND I'M GOING TO BE GOING AROUND AND FINDING OUT HOW MANY NEW PROPERTY OWNERS, SINCE 2001 HAD BOUGHT THIS, WHEN DID THIS CHANGE? HOW DID THIS CHANGE? SO, UM, AND I REALLY THINK THREE MINUTES IS NOT ENOUGH FOR US TO, UH, BE ABLE TO EXPRESS OUR OPINIONS, UM, DURING THIS 60 MINUTES, UM, ONE TIME A MONTH THAT WE HAVE. THANK YOU, MR. SHIRAKI. ANYONE ELSE? NOT FOR THE COMMENT PERIOD. NO. IS THERE, IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT THEY HAVE A CONCERN OVER? YES, SIR. WE'VE SIGNED UP OVER THERE. YOU CAN TALK ABOUT ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. THAT'S TRUE. THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF A PUBLIC HEARING. IF YOU SIGNED UP FOR A PUBLIC HEARING, THAT'LL COME LATER. I SIGNED UP FOR A SPECIFIC ISSUE. YES, YES. AS IN, WAIT FOR THAT. YES. YEAH. FROM A PUBLIC HEARING POINT OF VIEW, THIS IS NOW JUST PUBLIC COMMENT ABOUT ANYTHING. ANYONE ELSE? FINAL CALL. YES, SIR. MR. SARAH, TOM, SARAH 35 SHONDO SHORES ROAD. I WASN'T PLANNING ON SPEAKING, BUT I SAW AN ARTICLE. MY FRIEND WROTE MR. BEAN CINE IN HIS PAPER. I CAN'T GET IT UP HERE TO SEE IT, BUT, AND IT SAYS IN 2016, THE IT FEDERAL, UH, GOT THEIR LOAN OF $10 MILLION. IT WASN'T IN 2016, IT WAS IN 2015 AND 2015. AND, UM, BEVIN EGGER VOTED. IT WAS HER MOTION AND SHE VOTED TO HAVE A $10 MILLION LOAN GIVEN THAI T FEDERAL IN THE PAST THE TOWN COUNCIL. I THINK IT WAS UNANIMOUS. I DID A FOYER REQUEST AND GOT THE MATERIAL BEFORE, AND IT'S A MESS. WHAT THEY DID THAT I WENT OFF TO TOWN COUNCIL ON DECEMBER 30, FIRST OF 2014. AND THAT YEAR IN 2015, I WASN'T ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WAR'S ON THE TOWN COUNCIL. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY DID THE IT FEDERAL. IT WASN'T IN 2016, IT WAS IN 2015. AND THEN, UM, CAUSE I GOT, I GOT SLANTED. LIKE I WASN'T LISTENING TO BEVIN HAGAR. I WASN'T ON THE TOWN COUNCIL AT THE TIME. AND I DID LISTEN TO HER IN 2016, LATE 2016, WHICH MR. BEAN CINE CORRECTLY WROTE THAT'S WHEN SHE STARTED PUTTING OUT HER PROBLEMS THAT SHE HAD. AND THAT'S WHEN I STARTED INVESTIGATING. AND THAT'S WHEN THE FORMER SHERIFF TRIED TO TAKE ME OUT. HE TRIED [00:20:01] TO KILL ME WHEN I WAS ON LEASE RON PARKWAY AFTER THE RIBBON CUTTING. AND THAT'S WHEN JENNIFER MCDONALD TRIED TO FRAME ME FOR THE CRIMES. AND SO I JUST WANTED TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT THAT WHEN THE IT FEDERAL FIASCO HAPPENED, I WASN'T ON THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. I WASN'T ON THE TOWN COUNCIL. I WAS JUST LIKE ANYBODY ELSE. AND WHEN I SHOWED UP AT THE OCTOBER 26, 2015, GROUNDBREAKING, THE OLD TOWN COUNCILS THERE, BASICALLY I SAW BEVIN WITH A SHOVEL, YOU KNOW, DOING THE GROUNDBREAKING. I SAW MAYOR THERE. I SAW OTHER PEOPLE THERE. AND, UH, I WAS THERE CAUSE YOU KNOW, I HEARD IT WAS $40 MILLION IN 600 JOBS. IT WAS A BIG, AND I NOTICED YOUR CURRENT MR. DALEY, I KNOW THAT HE'S BEEN SITTING ON THE EDA AND HE KNOWS, YOU KNOW, SIR, THAT WHAT A FIASCO THAT A T FEDERAL LOAN BOSS, UH, THAT'S A JOKE WHAT THE TOWN ATTORNEY DID AND WHAT OUR COUNTY ATTORNEY DID BACK IN 2015. UH WHAT'S THAT? NO, NO, NOT, NOT JASON HAM. IT WAS BLUR MITCHELL. BUT, UM, BUT I EVEN ASKED MR. DALEY, YOU KNOW, WHAT'S WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHAT, WHAT WAS THE DEAL WITH THAT? AND YOU, I DON'T WANT TO QUOTE YOU. I DON'T WANT TO, YOU KNOW, SAY ANYTHING THAT MIGHT EMBARRASS YOU OR ANYTHING, BUT YOU SAID WHAT Y'ALL THINK WAS ACCURATELY. YOU SAID IT WAS, IT WAS BAD. IT WASN'T DIDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. I ALSO SAID THAT I WAS NOT ASSOCIATED WITH DBA AND YOU WEREN'T ASSOCIATED WITH THE EDA AT THE TIME EITHER. THAT'S ACCURATE STATEMENT. ALRIGHTY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GOD BLESS Y'ALL. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT ANYTHING OTHER THAN THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD, FINAL CALL? THE PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD IS NOW CLOSED. [D. Report – COVID-19 (Coronavirus) Expenditures for Warren County – Taryn Logan] NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE REPORT OF THE, FOR THE COVID-19 EXPENDITURES FOR WARREN COUNTY TERRAN. GOOD EVENING. UM, AS YOU KNOW, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT HAS BEEN TASKED WITH THE COLLECTION AND SUBMIT ALL OF THE COUNTIES COVID-19 RELATED EXPENDITURES FOR FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT. AND THIS IS THE CATEGORY BEING EXPENDITURES THAT WE GET REIMBURSED AT A 75% FEDERAL COST SHARE. UM, AT YOUR DESK, YOU HAVE THE REPORT, UM, THROUGH THE BEGINNING OF SEPTEMBER AND THE COUNTY HAS SPENT $329,798 AND 24 CENTS TOWARDS THE PANDEMIC. THESE EXPENSES INCLUDE THE PURCHASE OF PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FOR ALL COUNTY DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES, DISINFECTANTS AND CLEANING SUPPLIES FOR THE PUBLIC FACILITIES. UM, ALTERNATE CARE FACILITY DEPOSITS, EMERGENCY CHILDCARE CENTER COST, LABOR OVERTIME COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH COVID AND PPE COSTS TO REOPEN THE SCHOOLS LAST WEEK. UM, I PRINTED ALL THE SECTIONS OF MY OVERALL SPREADSHEET FOR EACH DEPARTMENT, WHICH INCLUDES EACH INDIVIDUAL EXPENDITURE. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM. ONCE YOU GET A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AND NEED TO SEE ANY ADDITIONAL DOCUMENTATION, FEEL FREE TO STOP BY MY OFFICE. ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. LOGAN? THANK YOU, JARED. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR DOING THIS ON TOP OF EVERYTHING ELSE YOU DO. I APPRECIATE IT. IT'S A LOT OF WORK, BUT I DON'T MIND. UM, IT'S IT WAS GOOD TO GET ALL THE SCHOOL COSTS INCLUDED. SO NOW WE HAVE AN IDEA OF WHAT IT COSTS TO REOPEN THE, WITH ALL THE EQUIPMENT, THE PERSONAL PROTECTIVE YEAH. EQUIPMENT THAT THEY NEEDED TO BUY. SO, UM, THAT'S A BIG ADDITION TO THIS REPORT THIS MONTH. SO THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [E. Reports – Board Members, Interim County Administrator, Interim County Attorney] NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS THE REPORTS, UM, FROM THE BOARD MEMBERS, THIS IS OSHA. YOU'RE READY. UM, AS YOU HEARD ME MENTION EARLIER, I ADDED TO THE AGENDA AND IT'S GOING TO BE ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. SO THERE WON'T BE ANY DISCUSSION ABOUT IT, BUT SEPTEMBER IS LIBRARY CARD SIGNUP MONTH. AND I JUST WANTED TO READ THE PROCLAMATION THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS PUTTING FORTH TONIGHT. SO WHEREAS A LIBRARY CARD IS THE MOST ESSENTIAL SCHOOL SUPPLY OF ALL. WHEREAS LIBRARIES AND LIBRARIANS PLAY A CRUCIAL ROLE IN THE EDUCATION AND DEVELOPMENT OF CHILDREN. WHEREAS LIBRARIES OFFER A VARIETY OF PROGRAMS TO STIMULATE AN INTEREST IN READING AND LEARNING. WHEREAS LIBRARY RESOURCES SERVE STUDENTS OF ALL AGES FROM EARLY LITERACY TO STEAM PROGRAMS TO RESEARCH DATABASES. WHEREAS SIGNING UP FOR A LIBRARY CARD IS THE FIRST STEP ON THE PATH TOWARDS ACADEMIC ACHIEVEMENT AND LIFELONG LEARNING. WHEREAS A LIBRARY CARD GIVES STUDENTS THE TOOLS THAT FOSTER SUCCESS IN THE CLASSROOM AND BEYOND, [00:25:01] WHEREAS LIBRARIES CREATE WELCOMING AND INCLUSIVE SPACES FOR STUDENTS OF ALL BACKGROUNDS TO LEARN TOGETHER AND ENGAGE WITH ONE ANOTHER. WHEREAS THE LIBRARY CARD EMPOWERS ALL PEOPLE TO PURSUE THEIR DREAMS AND EXPLORE NEW PASSIONS AND INTEREST. WHEREAS LIBRARIES ARE CONSTANTLY TRANSFORMING AND EXPANDING SERVICES TO MEET THE EVOLVING NEEDS OF THEIR COMMUNITIES. THEREFORE VIET RESOLVED THAT THE WARREN COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS PROCLAIMED SEPTEMBER LIBRARY CARD SIGN UP MONTH IN FRONT ROYAL VIRGINIA, AND ENCOURAGE EVERYONE TO SIGN UP FOR THEIR OWN LIBRARY CARD AT SAMUEL'S PUBLIC PUBLIC LIBRARY. AND I WILL LET ALL OF YOU KNOW, THAT THE LIBRARY HAS BEEN OPEN THROUGH COVID AND IT HAS CURBSIDE PICKUP IF YOU PREFER, OR YOU CAN NOW GO IN, UM, AS LONG AS THEY HAVE MASK, IF YOU DON'T HAVE ONE THEY'RE EVEN SELLING SHIELDS AND THEY HAVE ALSO PURCHASED A NUMBER OF DATABASES WITH, UM, ONLINE BOOKS. SO THE LIBRARY HAS EXPANDED ITS OFFERINGS AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE ALL OF YOU ALL OUR COMMUNITY TO GO IN. IF YOU DON'T HAVE A LIBRARY CARD, GET ONE. AND IF YOU DO THEN USE THE SERVICES, THAT'S ALL I HAVE. MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I TOO HAD VISITED THE LIBRARY THIS WEEK. UM, I ALSO VISITED THE, UM, BLUE MOUNTAIN PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. WE WENT TO THEIR, UM, MONTHLY MEETING. THEY'RE STARTING TO HAVE THOSE VIRTUAL, I MEAN, NOT VIRTUAL, UH, IN PERSON. UH, I MET WITH THE TOWN MAYOR AND I'VE MET WITH THE, UH, WITH SOME OF THE, UM, PEOPLE THAT ARE RUNNING FOR TOWN COUNCIL AND WAS HAPPY TO SEE SOME NEW FACES IN THERE. AND THAT'S ALL FOR ME, MRS. COLORS. I HAD THE PLEASURE OF SPENDING THE DAY FRIDAY, UH, AT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE, LOOKING OVER THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE CARE FUNDS FROM COUNTY BUSINESSES. UM, THAT WAS, UH, AN ENJOYABLE DAY WITH NIKKI AND JACKIE AND THE OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING ON THIS. UM, HAD A LOT OF PEOPLE COMING INTO FROM THE TOWN SIDE TO PICK UP THEIR CHECKS. AND, UM, IT'S A REALLY GOOD FEELING TO KNOW THAT PEOPLE ARE BEING HELPED, UM, AND HOW APPRECIATIVE THEY ARE OF THAT. UH, LAST NIGHT I ATTENDED THE BROWN TOWN COMMUNITY CENTER, UM, MEETING. I GREW UP IN BROWNTOWN, SO THAT'S A VERY NEAR AND DEAR PLACE TO ME. AND, UM, THEY'VE GOT SOME GOOD THINGS GOING ON. I THINK THE THEY'VE GOT A YARD SALE COMING UP AND THEY'VE GOT A LOT OF REALLY NICE THINGS. SO, UM, IF YOU'RE OUT THAT WAY AROUND, I WANT TO SAY, IT'S THIS OCTOBER 2ND, THIRD, I CAN GET BETTER INFORMATION, BUT, UM, THEY HAVE A WEBSITE IF YOU LIKE THE LOOK, BUT THEY'VE GOT SOME REALLY NICE THINGS TO PUT PLUGIN FOR THEM. UH, DR. DALEY AND MYSELF MET, UM, BACK SEVERAL WEEKS WITH, UM, SUPERVISOR DONNA HAY AND COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. UM, MR. CURRY FROM RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND CHESTER GET FIRE DEPARTMENT, CHIEF TODD BROWN TO DISCUSS, UH, GESTURE GAP IS AN INTERESTING PLACE. IT, UM, PART OF CHESTER GAP IS IN MOORE COUNTY. PART OF IT IS IN RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND IT ALSO, UH, HIS FIRE DEPARTMENT ALSO DOES, UM, ASSISTANCE TO WARREN COUNTY. A GOOD PORTION OF THEIR CALLS ARE IN WARREN COUNTY. UM, AND THEY ALSO SERVE AS RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AS WELL AS FALL CARE COUNTING. IT'S A, QUITE AN INTERESTING LITTLE AREA UP THERE OF HOW THE BOUNDARIES MEET AND THEY'RE HAVING, UM, ISSUES WITH STAFFING BECAUSE OF COVID. SO WE HAD A DISCUSSION WITH THEM ON HOW TO HELP SUPPORT THEM TO CONTINUE TO SUPPORT US AND IN THAT LINE. AND, UM, TONIGHT I WANTED TO KIND OF REACH OUT TO PEOPLE AND SEE IF WE CAN HELP BOOSTER OUR VOLUNTEERS IN THE FIRE AND EMS SYSTEM. AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE FIREFIGHTING IS NOT YOUR THING, YOU FIREFIGHTING IS NOT THE ONLY ASPECT OF VOLUNTEER HELP THAT OUR DIFFERENT COMPANIES NEED. UM, AND IN SPEAKING WITH THEM IN GREAT LINKS, UH, THEY ASKED ME IF I WOULD PUSH OUT TO THE COMMUNITY, WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE AND FIREFIGHTERS ARE, ARE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED. EMS WORKERS ARE ABSOLUTELY NEEDED, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO HELP ON THE ASSOCIATE SIDE OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENTS WITH BEING A PRESIDENT OF A COMPANY, BEING A SECRETARY, TREASURER, BEING JUST A VOLUNTEER TO HELP DO FUNDRAISING, THERE'S ALL KINDS OF THINGS THAT, UM, HAVE REALLY DROPPED OFF EVEN PRE COVID. AND BY DOING THAT, NOT [00:30:01] ONLY IS IT A WONDERFUL EXPERIENCE FOR YOURSELF, BUT IT HELPS AUGMENT THE PAID STAFF AND HELPS US KEEP THE TAX RATE DOWN BECAUSE VOLUNTEERS WILL SUPPORT THAT SYSTEM. AND INSTEAD OF HAVING TO GO TO ENTIRE PAID STAFF SYSTEM, WHICH WOULD RAISE OUR TAX RATE, UM, BUT, AND THOSE, IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, YOU CAN CALL THE, UM, THE WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND EMS OFFICE, WE PAY FOR TRAINING. SO IF YOU HAVE AN INTEREST, UH, THERE'S EVEN CLASSES AT THE HIGH SCHOOL LEVEL, FIRST, THE SENIORS TO GET INTO WHEN THEY GRADUATE, THEY COULD BE A FIREFIGHTER ONE OR AN EMT. SO IT'S JUST A LOT OF OPTIONS THERE. AND, UM, I THINK THEY NEED OUR HELP. THEY HELP US IN END UP HELPING THE COMMUNITY AS WELL. SO I APPRECIATE YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT, MR. FOX. I JUST LIKE TO MAKE NOTE THAT THE RIVERMONT FIRE DEPARTMENT IS COMING ALONG VERY WELL UNDERSTOOD TO BE VERY NEAR COMPLETION, PROBABLY WITHIN 30 DAYS, OUR, UM, INTERIM COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR. MR. DAMON. THANK YOU, SIR. YOU HAVE A COPY OF THE MONTHLY REPORT WOULD LIKE TO MAKE NOTE OF THE FACT THAT, UH, DURING THE CARES ACT, WE, NUMBER ONE HAVE, UH, RECOGNIZE SOMEBODY WHO'S WORKED TO HELP US OUT EVERY MONTH AND TRYING TO GET THINGS ORGANIZED AND MOVE THINGS ALONG IN THE COUNTY. AND THIS MONTH WE WOULD LIKE TO RECOGNIZE OUR ATTORNEY, MR. HAM, FOR HIS HELP IN GOING THROUGH ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS FOR THE CARES ACT AND HELPING US TO GET THINGS SET UP, PUT IT IN THE RIGHT CATEGORY, MOVE IT ALONG AND WORK OUT THE AGREEMENTS WITH THE TOWN, ET CETERA, AND ALL THAT WORK. AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. UM, IN ADDITION TO THAT, WE'VE BEEN WORKING THIS, WE WANT TO THANK YOU MRS. COLORS, AND, UM, FOR WORKING WITH US ON THE REIMBURSEMENTS, MR. CARTER, ALSO THE REIMBURSEMENTS FOR THE TOWN, AND WE WILL HAVE THAT FIRST CHECK, UH, TO THE TOWN THE END OF THIS WEEK. UH, SO ALSO THIS IS CALLERS MENTIONED. THEY'VE BEEN WORKING ON OUR COUNTY APPLICATIONS FOR BUSINESS LICE, BUSINESS RESISTANCE, AND, UH, SOCIAL SERVICES HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE UTILITIES AND WOULD REMIND INDIVIDUALS IF THEY'RE LOOKING FOR UTILITY REIMBURSEMENT, THAT THEY CAN APPLY AT THE CHAMBER, OR THEY CAN COME OVER TO THE SOCIAL SERVICES OR THEY CAN COME DOWN TO THE COUNTY OFFICES HERE, OR WE HAVE THEM AT THE LIBRARY, THEY CAN COME ANY OF THOSE PLACES TO FILE THOSE APPLICATIONS. UH, IN YOUR REPORT, YOU WILL SEE THAT WE'VE ADDED A NEW SECTION CALLED COUNTY POSITIONS SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE STATUS OF THE VARIOUS POSITIONS THAT WE ARE FILLING. UH, WHEN YOU SEE SOMETHING ON THERE AND YOU HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT IT, PLEASE JUST GIVE US A CALL AND WE CAN SEE WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING. UH, WOULD NOTE THAT THE NEW POSITION OF SANITARY DISTRICT MANAGER IS ON THERE. IT HAS BEEN ADVERTISED, AND WE'RE LOOKING TO FILL THAT WE'LL BE TAKING APPLICATIONS FOR THIS MONTH AND MIDDLE OF NEXT MONTH. WE'LL BE DOING INTERVIEWS TO FILL THAT APPLICATIONS, PARTICULARLY WORKING OUT AT SHENANDOAH FARMS. AND, UH, MR. FARRELL WILL BE HERE SHORTLY LATER, MR. CHAIRMAN. SO I'D LIKE TO CONTINUE MY REPORT WHEN HE ARRIVES, SO HE CAN UPDATE YOU ON OUR EXPENDITURES FOR THE CARES ACT, AS FAR AS DISTRIBUTING FUNDS IN THAT, YOU KNOW, JUST BE A FEW MINUTES. UM, THE OTHER THING I WOULD KNOW AS MRS CALLER SAID, WE DID MEET WITH A ROCK RAPPAHANNOCK COUNTY AND WE WILL BE DISCUSSING THE CHESTER GAP ISSUES AT YOUR OCTOBER SIX MEETING. SO THAT WILL BE AN AGENDA ITEM AT THAT TIME. ANY QUESTIONS THAT I CAN ANSWER, SIR, OR FIND SOMEBODY WHO CAN, YEAH. THANK YOU, MR. DALEY. UH, OUR INTERIM COUNTY ATTORNEY, MR. HAM. I APPRECIATE THAT HONOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND I HAVE NO FURTHER REPORT. OKAY. IT IS A LITTLE BIT PAST SEVEN 30. WE NEED TO GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED ON OUR, UM, ON OUR PUBLIC HEARINGS ITEM NUMBER K. NEXT [K1. Conditional Use Permit 2020-07-04, Mario and Wendy Loundermon for a Short- Term Tourist Rental – Matt Wendling] ON THE AGENDA AGENDA, UH, IS FOR THE PUBLIC [00:35:01] HEARING FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 2020 DASH TWO ZERO SEVEN DASH ZERO FOUR, MARIO AND WENDY LAUDER MUM OFF FOR A SHORT TERM, UH, TOURIST RENTAL, UH, MATT WHEEDLING. YES, GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. UH, THIS PROPERTY IS IDENTIFIED ON TASK TAX MAP 26 C SECTION ONE AS PARCEL 14 A IS AND IS LOCATED AT 200 VALLEY RETREAT ROAD IN THE PANHANDLE RETREAT SUBDIVISION. IT IS ALSO LOCATED IN A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA, FLOOD ZONE A AND IS ZONED RESIDENTIAL ONE AND LOCATED IN THE FORK MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT. THE APPLICANT'S RECENTLY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY AS A SECOND HOME AND WITH PLAN TO USE IT AS A SECONDARY RESIDENCE, IT WILL BE ACTING AS THE PROPERTY MANAGER OF THE SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL. THE 12 HAS A THREE BEDROOM SEPTIC SYSTEM WITH AN APPROVED BY THE HEALTH DEPARTMENT FOR AN APOC OCCUPANCY OF SIX PERSONS. THIS PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN A SUBDIVISION THAT IS A GATED COMMUNITY AND THE ROAD IS INFORMALLY MAINTAINED BY MEMBERS OF THE SUBDIVISION. THE DWELLING DOES MEET THE REQUIRED SUPPLEMENTAL SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET FROM TO ADJACENT DWELLING. SINCE THE CLOSEST NEIGHBOR IS 150 FEET TO THE NORTH EAST, THIS PROPERTY HAS NOT HAD ANY PREVIOUS CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS ISSUED FOR USES IN THE RESIDENTIAL ONE ZONING DISTRICT, AND NO OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS IN THE SUBDIVISION HAVE HAD A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT ISSUED FOR A SHORT TERM TOURIST RENTAL CANNY STAFF HAS RECEIVED A NUMBER OF COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WHERE WE SEND CONCERNS FOR PRIVACY AND SECURITY. THESE COMMENTS AND OTHER CONCERNS HAVE BEEN INCLUDED IN THE MINUTES OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND IN YOUR PACKETS, EXCUSE ME, THERE WAS ONE PROPERTY OWNER IN THE SUBDIVISION WHO DID SUPPORT THE APPLICATION AT THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ALONG WITH ANOTHER RESIDENT WHO WILL BE ACTING AS A LOCAL RENTAL MANAGER CONTACT FOR MR. LADERMAN. UH, WE DID RECEIVE SOME ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM NEIGHBORS AFTER THE PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, WHICH WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED TO YOU PRIOR TO THIS MEETING. UH, THE APPLICANT HAS SUBMITTED A DRAFT OF A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN FOR STAFF TO REVIEW IT, UH, REGARDS LANGUAGE, UH, ADDRESSING SOME OF THE ISSUES ABOUT TRESPASSING. AND THAT CAME UP DURING THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID FOR THIS APPLICATION TO THE BOARD, WITH THEIR APPROVAL, WITH THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS, THE APPLICANT SHALL COMPLY WITH WARREN COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS, AND MAXIMUM NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS SHALL NOT EXCEED SIX IS DETERMINED ACCORDING TO THE DEPARTMENT'S OPERATIONAL PERMIT FOR THREE BEDROOM, 12 BEING, AND NUMBER TWO, THE APPLICANT SHALL HAVE THEIR WALLED WATER TESTED ANNUALLY FOR ECOLAB ALCOHOL, COLIFORM, BACTERIA, AND A COPY OF THE RESULTS SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING AND HEALTH DEPARTMENTS. BY THE END OF THE CALENDAR YEAR, THIS PUBLIC HEARING HAS BEEN PROPERLY ADVERTISED AND ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS HAVE BEEN PROPERLY NOTIFIED. I'D BE GLAD TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS FOR YOU AT THIS TIME. AND MR. MIN IS HERE ALSO, MR. LADERMAN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK? GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS MARIO LENDERMAN. UH, I RESIDE AT 3,500, A BALSAM HOLLOW COURT AND KAT HARTFORD, VIRGINIA TWO ZERO ONE 43. UM, AS, UH, MATT MENTIONED, I AM APPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. UM, WE HAVE, UH, PURCHASED THE HOME, UH, AROUND MARCH. UM, I HAVE TWO CHILDREN WHO PLAYS SOCCER AND ALTHOUGH I LIKE TO BE OUT THERE EVERY WEEKEND, UM, I HAVE OTHER OBLIGATIONS AND I'M LOOKING TO OFFSET SOME OF MY COSTS, UH, BY RENTING. UM, I AM NOT EXCITED ABOUT RUNNING. I'M NOT PLANNING ON RENTING THIS FULL TIME OR TRYING TO REALLY MAKE A PROFIT. I'M REALLY JUST TRYING TO OFFSET MY COSTS. UM, I HAVE PRESENTED A PLAN TO MY NEIGHBORS. I MET WITH THEM, UH, REVISE THE PLAN BASED ON THEIR CONCERNS, AND THEN, UH, REVISE IT AGAIN IN THE LATEST PLAN TO TRY TO ADDRESS AS MANY OF THEIR CONCERNS AS I COULD. UM, UNFORTUNATELY I CAN'T ADDRESS THEIR CONCERNS A HUNDRED PERCENT, BUT I THINK I'VE DONE MY DUE DILIGENCE. I PLAN TO MANAGE IT MYSELF, HAVE A LOCAL CONTACT THAT HAS A 24 SEVEN HELPLINE, UH, TO SUPPORT ME AND I RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR, UM, APPROVE OF THE CERTIFIED USE PERMIT. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS FOR THE STAFF [00:40:03] IF NO ONE HAS ANY CONCERNS ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. WELL, MRS. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, NICK. WELL, THANK YOU FOR HEARING ME. MY NAME IS KYLE COSMIC. I LIVE AT, UH, 16 VALLEY RETREAT ROAD. UM, I SHARE THE CONCERNS OF MANY OF OUR NEIGHBORS. YOU ALL HAVE RECEIVED OUR LETTERS. UM, THIS IS A COMMUNITY THAT'S BEEN THERE FOR 40 YEARS. MOST OF MY NEIGHBORS I'M THE NEW PERSON, BUT 15 YEARS EVERYBODY'S BEEN THERE 30, 40 YEARS IN THEIR FAMILY. THIS, THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAS, HAS KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME. WE FEEL SAFE IN THAT AREA. UH, WE ARE IN FACT GATED AND THERE ARE JUST A FEW HOUSES BEYOND THE, BEYOND THAT GATE. IT'S A CATTLE GATE WITH A PADLOCK. IT'S NOTHING FANCY, BUT IT WORKS FOR US. WE'VE KIND OF WORKED TOGETHER IN ORDER TO MAKE THE COMMUNITY SAFE. WE'VE HAD PROBLEMS WITH THEFT IN THE PAST. WE WORK WITH EACH OTHER AND WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. MY CONCERN, AND FRANKLY, THE CONCERN OF THE MAJORITY OF THE, OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS THAT OPENING THIS I'M SORRY, WHAT AMOUNTS TO IN MY MIND, A HOTEL, A WEEKLY VACATION RENTAL AND CALL IT WHAT YOU WANT. BUT IT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE A HOTEL. YOU COULD HAVE 300 PEOPLE A YEAR IN OUR PRIVATE NEIGHBORHOOD COMING AND GOING AS THEY PLEASE. AND WE HAVE NO INPUT ON THAT. UM, CHANGE ALLOW. IF WE ALLOW THAT FORWARD TONIGHT, I FEEL IN MY NEIGHBORS FEEL THAT THAT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGES THE CHARACTER OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. AND WE DON'T FEEL THAT IT'S OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO ASSIST MR. LADERMAN. WHO'S A VERY NICE PERSON. I WILL SAY WE HAVE NOTHING AGAINST THE PERSON. WE'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM AS A NEIGHBOR, BUT IT'S NOT OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO HELP HIM PAY HIS MORTGAGE OR TO START A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS. UM, WE HAVE RIGHTS. WE I'VE HAD CONCERNS. I'VE HEARD CONCERNS MENTIONED ABOUT HIS PROPERTY RIGHTS AND THAT HE HAS THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT HE WANTS WITH HIS PROPERTY. I CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND THAT I HAVE RIGHTS TO, HE DOES NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO OPEN A HOTEL IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT YOUR PERMISSION. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE THIS PROCESS. THAT'S WHY WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SHARE OUR CONCERNS. UM, I THINK THE CONCERNS ARE PRIMARILY SAFETY AND SECURITY IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AT HAVING A LARGE NUMBER OF PEOPLE COMING AND GOING ALL THEY HAVE TO HAVE AS A CREDIT CARD. THAT'S THAT'S THE SCREENING AS MR. LAUNDROMAT IS AGREED. THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO SCREEN THAT. UM, GIVEN OUR HISTORY OF CRIMES THEFT AND THINGS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT WE'VE HAD TO WORK TOGETHER ON, NONE OF US WANTS THAT STRESS AND THAT, THAT SECURITY ISSUE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD THAT THE EXTRA PROBLEM IS IT BASICALLY I'D BE HAPPY IF HE WERE APPLYING FOR A PERMIT TO OPEN A CAR REPAIR PLACE, BECAUSE AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE DAYTIME HOURS. THIS IS A 20 SO 24 SEVEN BUSINESS, UM, THAT HE'S NOT ONSITE TO MANAGE. THAT MEANS WE ACT AS DEFAULT. PROPERTY MANAGERS WERE THE ONES WHO AT ONE O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, FRIDAY NIGHT, IT'S IT'S DOWN ON THE RIVER. PEOPLE RENT THERE TO PARTY AND HAVE A GOOD TIME. THEY DON'T ALWAYS RESPECT THAT. IF IT'S A NEIGHBOR, WE HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO BUILD A RELATIONSHIP WITH THAT PERSON AND WORK WITH THEM. IF IT'S SOMEBODY WHO'S COMING AND GOING EVERY WEEK, NEW PERSON, NEW GROUP OF PEOPLE EVERY WEEK, WE HAVE NO OPPORTUNITY TO FORM A RELATIONSHIP AND WORK WITH THEM. SO IT'S UP TO US THEN TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THEM, WHETHER WE'RE CALLING SOMEBODY OR WHETHER WE'RE CALLING THE COPS OR WHETHER WE'RE TRYING TO WORK, THERE'S NO OPPORTUNITY TO FIX THAT. AND SO IT'S WORSE THAN A REGULAR BUSINESS BECAUSE WHEN WE'RE HOME IN THE EVENING OR WE'RE THERE ON THE WEEKEND, TRYING TO RELAX, WE THEN HAVE TO DEAL WITH HIS BUSINESS. MY HOUSE IS UP AT THE GATE AND ALL OF THE TRAFFIC COMES THROUGH THERE. PEOPLE COME KNOCKING ON MY DOOR WHEN THEY FORGET THEIR KEY, WE TRIED A BUNCH OF, WE TRIED SOME IDEAS ABOUT WHAT MIGHT HELP, WHAT MIGHT NOT HELP. THE REALITY IS THERE'S NO CELL PHONE SERVICE DOWN THERE. WHEN SOMEBODY CAN'T GET IN THE GATE, THEY'RE GOING TO, THEY CAN'T CALL HIS PERSON TO COME AND GET OR DEAL WITH THE ISSUE. IT'S 40 FEET FROM MY FRONT DOOR. SO THEY WALK DOWN MY DRIVEWAY AND KNOCK ON MY DOOR AND SAY, HEY, CAN YOU LET ME IN ON THE GATE WHEN IT'S NEIGHBORS AND FAMILY, IF FOLKS, I KNOW I HAVE NO PROBLEM. I'M NEIGHBORLY ON THAT, BUT I'M NOT WILLING TO DO THAT FOR SOMEBODY'S BUSINESS FOR, YOU KNOW, 300 PEOPLE HERE. THANK YOU. I DIDN'T WANT TO WASTE ANY MORE TIME. ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. I HAVE ONE. YES, SIR. OR MAYBE. OKAY. HAVE YOU TALKED WITH, UM, THE OWNER AND I KNOW IT APPEARS THAT YOU, YES, SIR. HAS HE GIVEN YOU ANY INDICATION OF HOW MANY TIMES HE INTENDS TO RENT THIS PLACE? WELL, THE FIRST VERSION WAS, HE SAID HE WOULD INTEND ON LIMITING IT TO 50 PER WELL, HE DIDN'T AT FIRST AND WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT. I BELIEVE THE SECOND VERSION AFTER WE EXPRESSED OUR CONCERN WAS THAT HE PROPOSED LIMITING IT TO 50% A YEAR, NO MORE THAN 50% OCCUPANCY A YEAR. UM, THAT WOULD GIVE ME THE INDICATION THAT THE FIRST MIGHT'VE BEEN FOR MORE THAN THAT, I UNDERSTAND. IT SOUNDS LIKE HE MAY WANT TO RENT IT LESS. NOW THE PROBLEM IS THERE'S NO LIMITATION. UM, 200 PEOPLE WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, ABOUT 50, A LITTLE OVER 50%. THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO WAY TO ACTUALLY CURTAIL IT. IF IT WAS A, WE ACTUALLY HAD THIS CONVERSATION. IF [00:45:01] IT WAS A COUPLE OF WEEKENDS A YEAR, WE'D ALL BE LIKE, YOU KNOW WHAT, NO PROBLEM, THAT'S FINE, BUT THERE'S NO MECHANISM IN THIS PROCESS TO LIMIT IT TO A CERTAIN NUMBER OF TIMES PER YEAR OR CERTAIN QUANTITY. AND AS HE SAID, THERE'S NO WAY TO EVEN GUARANTEE THAT IT'S ONLY SIX PEOPLE HE'S HAD RENTAL PROPERTY BEFORE WHERE THEY SAID THERE'S SIX PEOPLE AND 20 PEOPLE SHOW UP AND MESS UP HIS HOUSE. THAT'S JUST PART OF THE DEAL WITH BEING A LANDLORD. SO WE HAVE HAD COVERAGE AND FRANKLY, GOOD CONVERSATIONS IN FAIRNESS TO HIM, WE'VE HAD THAT. WE'VE TRIED TO WORK OUT OUR ISSUES. I THINK WE'RE JUST IN FUNDAMENTAL DISAGREEMENT ABOUT THE ISSUE. ANYTHING ELSE? NOPE. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP TEDDY MARTIN? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I AM DEBRA MARTIN AND HAVE OWNED MY HOME SINCE 1996 AT THREE TO FOUR VALLEY RETREAT ROAD. MY DAUGHTER AND I ATTENDED THE AUGUST 12TH MEETING HELD BY THE PLANNING BOARD AND SHE SPOKE ON MY BEHALF OF POSTING A RENTAL PERMIT PROPOSED BY MR. LADERMAN. I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW THAT I'D RATHER TAKE A BEATON'S AND SPEAK IN PUBLIC. HOWEVER, I FEEL THIS MEETING IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT TO ALL OF US, HOMEOWNERS OPPOSING THIS PERMIT AND DECIDED TO SPEAK ON MY OWN BEHALF. THIS IS WHERE I RESIDE DURING THE WARMER MONTHS FOR APPROXIMATELY SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, WHICH IS THE PEAK TOUR SEASONS FOR RENTAL IN THIS AREA. AT THE PREVIOUS MEETING, I FEEL THAT 98% OF THE BOARD'S TIME WAS SPENT DISCUSSING THE GAIT ISSUE. AND THE REST OF OUR CONCERNS WERE NOT ADDRESSED. HERE ARE A FEW THINGS THAT CONCERN ME WHEN I'M FISH IN A GATED COMMUNITY. I THINK OF A LARGE PIECE OF PROPERTY WAS QUITE A FEW HOUSES WITHIN THE COMMUNITY LIKE BOOM ISLAND. OUR HAND UP THAT IS NOT THE CASE ON VALLEY RETREAT ROAD. THE PROPERTY WAS ORIGINALLY PART OF A LARGE FARM AND A VERY SMALL PART OF THAT FARM WAS SOLD AND DIVIDED INTO A FEW SMALL PARCELS. ONLY FOUR OTHER LOTS HAVE HOUSES ON THEM. THE ONLY WAY TO ACCESS AND EXIT THE COMMUNITY IS VIA A SHORT HALF MILE SINGLE LANE OWNER MAINTAIN GRAVEL ROAD BEHIND A LOCKED GATE. THE RENTAL HOUSE IS WITHIN THE FLOOD. PLAIN WELL PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN KNOW HOW TO READ THE RIVER AND HOW TO REACT TO A FLOOD SITUATION IN EMERGENCY THE LADDER MEN'S PROPERTY IS LOCATED ROUGHLY CLOSE TO MY HOME WITH ONLY ONE SMALL COTTAGE IN BETWEEN VALLEY RETREAT. IT'S A VERY RUSTIC, BEAUTIFUL, HAPPY PLACE TO LIVE, WHERE EVERYONE KNOWS EVERYONE ELSE AND THEIR PETS. I TRUST MY NEIGHBORS AND I KNOW IF THEY ALLOWED SOMEONE TO ENTER THE GATE, I COULD TRUST THEM AS WELL. I FEEL THAT THE GATE ITSELF IS NOT THE PROBLEM, BUT THE STRANGER SAID, MR LADERMAN WILL BE GETTING THROUGH THAT GATE IS THE MAIN ISSUE. EVEN IF HE FINDS A WAY TO VET THE RENTERS, THEY'RE STILL STRANGERS. AND THE OTHER HOMEOWNERS BE A HIGHER RISK. IF SOMETHING BAD OCCURRING IN 2017, I BECAME A WIDOW AT THE AGE OF 69 AND IT WAS A LIFE CHANGING EVENT FOR ME WITH THE HELP OF MY NEIGHBORS IN THIS GATED COMMUNITY. I'VE LEARNED TO ADJUST TO LIFE WITHOUT HIM AND EVERY GAIN. MY SENSE OF SECURITY LIVING HERE ALONE. IF A SITUATION SHOULD ARISE, I HAVE NO WAY TO PROTECT MYSELF. THIS TRANSIENT RENTAL APPLICATION IS APPROVED. I LOSE ALL SENSE OF SAFETY WITH THE STRANGERS THAT WILL BE A CONSTANT BEHIND OUR GATE. AT MY ADVANCED STAGE. I NEVER EXPECTED TO HAVE TO FACE A CHALLENGE AS A HOMEOWNER AND WHICH I HAVE NO SAY OVER MY SENSE OF SECURITY AT MY OWN RESIDENCE. YOUR HOME IS SUPPOSED TO BE ONE OF THE SAFEST PLACES IN YOUR LIFE. AND I WILL PERSONALLY LOSE ALL FEELING OF THAT. IF THIS PROCEEDS FORWARD, IT ALSO SANDS ME THAT THIS BEAUTIFUL RUSTIC AREA OF KNOWING ALL OF YOUR NEIGHBORS WILL NO LONGER EXIST. SEVERAL OTHER THINGS THAT CONCERN ME ARE HIGHER RISK. THE VANDALISM AND THEFT TOO, MAY HAVE A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON THOSE WHO DO HAVE HOUSES AND WISH TO SELL THE HOUSE WITH THE LIKELIHOOD OF DECREASED VALUE ON OUR PROPERTIES. THREE PROBLEM SELLING THE HOUSE BECAUSE IT'S NOW A RENTAL COMMUNITY AND THEY MAY NOT WANT TO BUY A HOUSE WITH RENTERS COMING AND GOING NO MATTER THEIR CIRCUMSTANCE, MOST FAMILIES, WHETHER THEY'RE FULL OR PART TIME, RESIDENTS WILL NOT LIKE THIS FACET OF LIVING AS A WAY OF, I AM ON A LIMITED INCOME. AND I WORRY IF THIS HOMEOWNER'S PREMIUM MAY INCREASE. IF I HAVE TO FILE A CLAIM DUE TO ONE OF MR. LAUDER, MISS RENTERS, WANDERING ONTO MY PROPERTY AND ENTERING THEMSELVES INCREASED ROAD MAINTENANCE DUE TO INCREASE TRAFFIC. THIS WILL MEAN ADDITIONAL EXPENSES TO ALL HOMEOWNERS FOR MAINTAINING THE ROAD, WHICH IS UNFAIR TO US OPPOSING THIS ACTION. THANK YOU FOR TAKING [00:50:01] THE TIME TO LISTEN TO MY CONCERNS. ANY QUESTIONS? NO, THANK YOU. THANK YOU, MR. SHIRAKI. HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP COLLEEN BRODERICK? GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. MY NAME IS COLEEN BRODERICK. I LIVE AT SIX 23 UPLAND PLACE IN ALEXANDRIA, VIRGINIA. UM, I BELIEVE THERE ARE 13 PROPERTY OWNERS ON VALLEY ROAD. IN ADDITION TO THE LAUDER MEMES TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, ONE PROPERTY OWNER AGREES WITH THE PERMIT BEING APPROVED FOR HAD BEEN UN-INVOLVED IN EIGHT PROPERTY OWNERS. THE VAST MAJORITY, UM, ARE OPPOSED TO BEING APPROVED AND HAVE VOICED THEIR OPPOSITION AT THE AUGUST PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING PROPERTY OWNERS, OPPOSING THE PERMIT, STAYED AT THEIR CONCERNS IN PERSON AND IN WRITTEN SUBMISSIONS. SOME OF THE CONCERNS WERE PRIVACY SECURITY, GAY DISHES, PROPERTY VALUE BEING NEGATIVELY AFFECTED SAFETY, LACK OF SCREENING AND VETTING OF THE TENANTS POSSIBLE ISSUES RELATING TO NOISE, TRASH, VANDALISM, THEFT, TRESPASSING, PETS, INCREASED ROAD MAINTENANCE IMPACT ON INSURANCE LIABILITY FOR ACCIDENTS BECOMING A COMMERCIALIZED AREA, LACK OF ANY SUPERVISION WHEN THERE ARE NO PROPERTY OWNERS AROUND CONCERNED THAT THE PERMIT CONVEYS A FUTURE OWNERS AND CONCERN FOR A NEIGHBOR, DEBBIE, WHO JUST MET A WHO IS 72 AND LIVES ALONE. THAT IS A VERY LONG LIST OF CONCERNS THAT WE ASK THE COMMISSIONERS TO CONSIDER WHEN REVIEWING THE, AND MAKING THE DECISION. HOWEVER, THE COMMISSIONERS ONLY DISCUSSED FOUR ITEMS AFTER THE PUBLIC PORTION OF THE HEARING WAS CLOSED AND THEY WERE GATE SECURITY, PROPERTY MANAGEMENT, SPECIFYING PROPERTY BOUNDARIES, AND THE NEED FOR A LANDLINE TELEPHONE. DESPITE THEIR LIMITED DISCUSSION. IN THE END, THEY APPROVED THE PERMIT AND A FIVE TO ZERO VOTE. THEY DID NOT PROPOSE ANY AMENDMENTS, NOT EVEN ONE TO ADDRESS THE ISSUE OF THE GATE SECURITY, WHICH SEEMED TO DOMINATE IT THROUGH LIMITED CONVERSATION UNDER SEPARATE COVER. I'VE SUBMITTED TODAY, A LIST OF CONDITIONS TO, UM, LISTENERS, UM, FOX AND CALLERS. I HOPE YOU RECEIVED THAT AS A PROPERTY OWNER. I AM SHOCKED THAT DESPITE THE MANY ISSUES BROUGHT TO THEIR ATTENTION, THAT THERE COULD BE NO, THAT THEY COULD BE SO DISMISSIVE TO THE CONCERNS OF LONGTERM PROPERTY OWNERS. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THEY WERE THOROUGH IN CARRYING OUT THEIR DUTIES. AND I HOPE THIS BOARD WILL GIVE A MORE IN DEPTH REVIEW AND CONSIDERATION TO WHAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PROPERTY OWNERS WANT, WHICH IS FOR THE PERMIT TO BE DENIED. EVERYONE IS GOING TO HAVE THEIR OWN MAJOR CONCERN AND MINUS HAVING A CONSTANT STREAM OF NEW PEOPLE YEAR ROUND, WHICH WILL DRASTICALLY CHANGE THE NATURE OF OUR SMALL AREA. VALERIE RETREAT ROAD IS A DEAD END GRAVEL LANE WITH FOUR HOUSES AND THE REST ARE LOTS. IT IS ABOUT A HALF A MILE LONG. WE BROUGHT OUR PROPERTY OVER 40 YEARS AGO FOR ITS PRIVACY AND TRANQUILITY APPROVING THE PERMIT WILL CHANGE NOT FOREVER. I AM TRYING TO PROTECT OUR PRIVACY WILL I BELIEVE THE COUNTY VIEWS. THIS IS A BOOST FOR TOURISM AS WELL AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ADDITIONAL REVENUE. PART OF THE JUSTIFICATION FOR THEM THAT IS TO DEFRAY COSTS OF OWNERSHIP. AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE NEW OWNER BUY A HOME AND A PLACE WHERE SUCH ACTIVITY HAS ALREADY ZONED TO ACCOMMODATE THEM WITHOUT THE NEED FOR THE APPROVAL OF NEIGHBORS OR A SPECIAL COMMISSION. I WOULD LIKE TO CLOSE WITH A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER SUBMISSION, WHICH YOU HAVE ALREADY READ, SO IT SHOULD SOUND FAMILIAR, BUT I THINK IT BEARS REPEATING TO UPSET THE STATUS QUO AND THE LONGSTANDING EXPECTATIONS OF TAX PAYING PROPERTY OWNERS AND VALLEY RETREAT ROAD. FOR THE PURPOSE OF HELPING AN OWNER OF LESS THAN SIX MONTHS START A PROFIT MAKING BUSINESS WITH COMMERCIAL ATTRIBUTES IS UNFAIR AND UNJUST. I'M ASKING YOU TO PLEASE DENY THE REQUEST FOR THE PERMIT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. THIS IS ROCKY. ANYONE ELSE? THOMAS NIGHT. OKAY. UH, EXCUSE ME, LET ME GET FIRED UP HERE RATHER DO THE TIME. UM, THOMAS NIGHT AND MY HUSBAND, COLLEEN, I THINK SHE MENTIONED, UH, IN, UH, OH, I DIDN'T GET YOUR FULL NAME. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. I'M SORRY. YOUR FULL NAME? OH, TOM THOMAS GREGORY KNIGHT. OKAY. THANK YOU, TOM. OKAY. AND AS I MENTIONED, UH, TOM COLLINS, WE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY FROM A GENTLEMAN WHO BUILT THE HOUSE IN THE EARLY SIXTIES WHEN, UH, EVERYTHING WAS GRANDFATHERED IN IT'S ON A FLOOD PLAIN, THE A HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN, THAT WHOLE AREA DOWN THERE. AND WE BOUGHT IT FROM HIM. HE WAS A BANKER AND WE SHOOK HANDS AND FED HIM OFF AND HAD THE HOUSE EVER SINCE. HOWEVER, WE'VE HAD THAT DYNAMIC CHANGES. UH, WE BOUGHT A HOUSE IN 84, 1985, HURRICANE FRAN CAME UP THE GUT AND WE GOT 27 FOOT. UH, FUCK. YOU KNOW, UH, I THINK THAT WAS IT. IT WAS 26 OR 27 FEET. WE'D NEVER HAD EXPERIENCED THE FLOOD. OF COURSE WE HAD FLOOD INSURANCE HAD CONVEYED WITH THE SALE OF THE HOUSE. AND THAT WAS A UNIQUE EXPERIENCE. WHEN THEY TELL YOU I WAS YOUNG, THEN I WAS 40 YEARS OLD. AND AT THE TIME ON 75 [00:55:01] NOW, UH, WE GOT THAT SQUARED AWAY AND WE, UH, PUT A SECOND FLOOR UP AFTER WE GOT, UH, TOOK CARE OF THE FLOOD AND THEN EVERYTHING WAS PRETTY GOOD FOR ABOUT 10 YEARS. UH, WE'VE HAD A COUPLE OF CLOSE CALLS AND THEN IN 1996 WE HAD TWO FLOODS, 96. UH, THIS THE FALL WAS VERY WET FALL SEASON AND I'VE GONE WITH SATURATED. AND THEN WE HAD 30 INCHES OF SNOW UP ON THE SHENANDOAH SKYLINE DRIVE, TEMPERATURE WARMED UP TO 60 DEGREES AND UP CLEAN THE RIVER. AGAIN, IT COMES UP VERY QUICKLY. DOES IT DAMAGE? CAUSE BACK THEN WE HAD FOUR FOOT OF WATER THAT TIME IN THE HOUSE, THE PREVIOUS FLOOD IN 85, WE HAD A, I THINK WROTE 10 FEET IN THE HOUSE. UH, WE GOT THAT SQUARED AWAY. THAT WAS IN, UH, JANUARY, FEBRUARY, MARCH, AND THEN IN SEPTEMBER ANOTHER, UH, HURRICANE CAME UP 32 FEET, LOW FLOOD STAGE. SO IT WAS TWO STEPS FROM THE SECOND LEVEL. SO WE HAD THAT AND THAT'S THE DYNAMIC CHANGES THAT I'VE SEEN IN 36 YEARS. AND THOSE WERE ALL NATURAL. THERE'S ONE MORE THOUGH. THE SECOND ONE BEING THAT WE HAD THE MRIS BORE, IT JUST DEVASTATED ALL THE ASH THAT ARE DOWN THERE AND IT LOOKS LIKE A EVERYTHING BLEW UP DOWN THERE AND YOU KNOW, WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THAT. WE HAD TO TAKE A LOT OF TREES DOWN, THEY DIE AND THEY FALL OVER THE FIRE LINES AND SO FORTH. SO THERE'S A LOT OF MAINTENANCE AND STUFF THAT THE DOS OVER THE YEARS, UH, THE DYNAMIC COULD CHANGE IS THE FACT THAT WANTS TO COME IN AND DO DO IS, UH, OR, YOU KNOW, HAVE HIS, UH, RETREAT, UH, HIS RENTAL PROPERTIES, RECREATIONAL ROUTE ON HIS JENN ANDELA SOUTH FORK. AND, UH, IT'S JUST, THAT'S AN HANDMADE ONE. THE OTHER TWO WERE NATURAL. UH, SO, UH, I'M WITH EVERYBODY ELSE, BUT YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S REALLY GONNA CHANGE THE DYNAMICS ONCE AGAIN OF THE AREA DOWN HERE. AND THAT'S THE WAY I FEEL ANYBODY GOT ANYTHING TO SAY? ANY QUESTIONS? NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. OKAY, MR. SHAHRAKI HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP MR. CHAIRMAN? IS THERE ANYONE YEAH. IN THE AUDIENCE IT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS FOR SURE. YES, SIR. UH, YES. THANK YOU. UM, I'VE MET WITH EVERYONE WHO'S SPOKEN THIS EVENING. UM, ALL VERY NICE PEOPLE, UM, REAL CONCERNS THEY HAVE. UM, AND I UNDERSTAND, I, UM, I DON'T THINK THERE'S ANYTHING I COULD DO TO, TO, UM, ALLEVIATE EVERY CONCERN. UH, BUT I'VE DEFINITELY TRIED. UH, I KNOW THAT, UM, A LOT OF WHAT I'VE HEARD TONIGHT, HOWEVER, HAS BEEN, UH, THE MOST NEGATIVE OF SPECULATION. HONESTLY, IT'S REALLY SEEING THE WORST IN US. UM, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE A PROFIT OFF THIS HOUSE. THIS IS THE HOUSE THAT I WANT TO KEEP IN MY FAMILY. UM, I HAVE A LIFE I CAN'T BE THERE EVERY WEEKEND. UM, MY KIDS ESPECIALLY ARE IN SOCCER, SO I TRAVEL A LOT, ESPECIALLY DURING THE FALL AND THE SPRING. UM, AND I'M LOOKING TO OFFSET COSTS. UH, I KNOW THAT VIRGINIA LAWS DEEM THAT RENTALS ARE NOT COMMERCIAL. UM, AND I'M NOT TRYING TO START A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS HERE. UM, I'M SIMPLY LOOKING TO KEEP THIS PROPERTY, UM, AND OFFSET SOME COSTS WHEN I'M NOT USING IT. UM, I KNOW THAT A CERTIFIED USE USE PERMIT CAN BE RESCINDED IF I DON'T FOLLOW THE REQUIREMENTS, I NEED TO, IF I GET COMPLAINTS, IF MY NEIGHBORS ARE UNHAPPY, I REALIZE IT COULD BE TAKEN AWAY. THIS IS NOT A LIFETIME, UM, A LIFETIME DECISION THAT I, YOU KNOW, I CAN RUN WITH IT AND I BEAT THEM AND I CAN MOVE ON. SO I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE RESCINDED. I KNOW THAT I NEED TO BE HELD RESPONSIBLE AND THAT'S WHAT I PLAN TO DO. UM, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, IN, UH, IN, IN KYLE'S CASE, I KNOW HE'S HAD A LOT OF ISSUES ON THAT PROPERTY WITH, AS HE MENTIONED WITH, UH, NOISE VIOLATIONS AND PRIVACY AND PEOPLE WALKING AROUND, ALL THOSE HAVE BEEN WITH OWNERS. UH, THE OWNER ACROSS THE STREET, ACROSS FROM HIS STREET HOLDS PARTIES. AND WHEN HE WENT TO SPEAK TO HIM, THE GUY TOLD HIM TO POUND SAND. YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY I WOULDN'T HAVE THAT OPTION BECAUSE I NEED TO KEEP MY NEIGHBORS HAPPY. SO OWNERSHIP DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU'RE A GOOD NEIGHBOR. UM, I'M GOING TO BE A GOOD NEIGHBOR, WHETHER I RENT OR NOT. I TOLD THEM WHEN WE MET THAT, WHATEVER YOUR DECISION IS, UM, I'LL STICK WITH. [01:00:01] AND I STILL HOPE THEY'RE COMFORTABLE WALKING BY MY PLACE OR OUR DOGS GETTING TOGETHER OR WHATEVER THAT SOCIAL INTERACTION MAY BE. UM, AND I HOPE THEY FEEL THE SAME IF YOU DECIDE TO VOTE IN MY FAVOR, BUT, UM, THE, THE RHETORIC OF 300 PEOPLE A YEAR AND TRAFFIC GOING UP AND DOWN AND RAGING PARTIES, I DON'T WANT THAT ON MY PROPERTY. UH, THERE IS A SCREENING PROCESS. CAN I GUARANTEE A HUNDRED PERCENT? ABSOLUTELY NOT, BUT THERE IS A SCREENING PROCESS. UM, I'VE LOOKED AT THE APPLICATIONS I'M GOING TO USE TO RENT, AND THERE'S A 24 HOUR PERIOD THAT I CAN, UH, DECLINE. ACTUALLY, IF I DON'T ACCEPT IT, IT'S DECLINED AUTOMATICALLY. AND I INTEND TO USE THAT TO SCREEN. THIS IS MY PROPERTY. UM, WE'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR A LITTLE PLACE ON THE RIVER LIKE THIS FOR 12 YEARS. AND THIS CAME ON THE MARKET WE HAD, WE PUT, UM, MY FIRST QUESTION WAS, CAN I RENT IT? AND I WAS TOLD I COULD, AND WE IMMEDIATELY PUT A DEPOSIT ON IT AND STARTED WORKING THROUGH THE PROCESS. IN FACT, PEOPLE LINED UP BEHIND US AND WHETHER I CAN RENT THIS OR NOT, I PLAN ON KEEPING THIS HOUSE FOREVER BECAUSE I LOVE IT. AT THE POINT OF PURCHASING, PURCHASING, THIS PROPERTY WAS NOT TO RUN A BUSINESS, WAS NOT TO MAKE A PROFIT. IT WAS TO GET IT IN MY FAMILY. SO MY KIDS AND I CAN ENJOY IT AND OUR FAMILY AND FRIENDS. SO I HOPE THAT YOU SEE FIT TO APPROVE THIS CERTIFIED USE PERMIT. AND INSTEAD OF SEEING THE ABSOLUTE WORST SCENARIO, UH, AND THE RHETORIC THAT HAS BEEN SPOKEN HERE, SEE THE FACT THAT, YOU KNOW, I'M JUST A HOMEOWNER, IS LOOKING TO MITIGATE MY COSTS ON MY PROPERTY AND THAT MY, MY NEIGHBORS CAN TAKE THE CERTIFIED USE PERMIT FOR ME. IF I DON'T FOLLOW REQUIREMENTS. IF, IF ALL THESE THINGS THAT ARE SPECULATIVE COME TO FRUITION, I LOSE THIS. NOT ONLY THAT, BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, I LOSE THE RELATIONSHIP THAT I DO HAVE WITH, WITH THESE PEOPLE. UM, LIKE I SAID, WE ARE, I THINK, FRIENDLY, FRIENDLY AND IN DISAGREEMENTS. SO WHATEVER YOUR DECISION IS, UM, I WILL, I'LL LIVE WITH IT AND I'LL BE HAPPY WITH THESE NEIGHBORS AND I'LL BE SOCIAL AND I'LL BE FRIENDLY, BUT I'D LIKE YOU TO SEE THROUGH THE RHETORIC AND THE NEGATIVE SPECULATION, BECAUSE I PLAN TO RUN. THIS IS MY PROPERTY. AND, YOU KNOW, I WANT TO BE ABLE TO LEASE IT HERE AND THERE. AND I WANT MY NEIGHBORS TO BE HAPPY AND I PLAN ON BEING THERE FOR A LONG TIME. SO IT'S IN MY BEST INTEREST TO NEGATE EVERYTHING THAT WAS SAID HERE IN SPECULATION. THANK YOU, MR. LENDERMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION IF IT'S OKAY. MR. SHORT, I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS. SO ARE YOU USING AIRBNB TO, UH, HOW ARE YOU USING IT TO QUALIFY YOUR RENTERS? CAUSE I'VE USED AN AIRBNB. SO I UNDERSTAND THE PROCESS. SO THE RBO IS WHAT I PLAN TO USE. I'LL PROBABLY USE A COMBINATION, BUT RIGHT NOW I'M GOING TO START SMALL. UM, I'M NOT LOOKING TO GET OVERWHELMED THE NINTH YEAR, WHAT I'M GETTING INTO ON THAT AS FAR AS THE MANAGEMENT PROCESS. HOWEVER, UH, MY UNDERSTANDING IS, UH, YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO ACCEPT A RENTAL OR ELSE IT'S AUTOMATICALLY DECLINED. UH, YOU HAVE CUSTOMIZED RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON AND SHOW. THEY UNDERSTAND. UM, IN MY MANAGEMENT PLAN, I'VE CUSTOMIZED SOME OF THOSE RULES AND REGULATIONS I PLAN ON ASKING FOR THAT ARE SPECIFIC TO THE CONCERNS OF MY, MY NEIGHBORS. UM, AND MY HOPE IS TO, UM, IF SOMEONE WANTS A BOOKING IS TO REACH OUT TO THEM, UM, WITHIN THAT 24 HOURS AND HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH THEM, THAT'S MY PLAN TO, TO SCREEN. AND THE REASON I'M GOING THAT ROUTE IS BECAUSE HONESTLY, I DON'T HAVE A WEBSITE WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE CALENDARING TO ACTUALLY HAVE AN ONLINE PRESENCE WITHOUT GOING THROUGH A THIRD PARTY APPLICATION. AND IN MY RESEARCH, UH, THE RBO WAS THE MOST RELEVANT TO WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO. UM, AND THEN I LIKE TO ADD TO THAT, THAT MY LOCAL CONTACT IS A 24 SEVEN ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE CALLED VALLEY ADMINISTRATION. UM, I ALREADY HAVE, UH, A DRAFT CONTRACT WITH THEM DEPENDING ON HOW THIS DECISION GOES. AND, UH, THEY ARE LOCAL THEY'RE 24 SEVEN. AND, UH, AND THEY'LL BE IN CHARGE OF ANY, UH, UTILITY EMERGENCIES, UM, OR, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, YOU KNOW, AS WELL AS THE LAWN CARE AND THE CLEANING COORDINATION. SO HOW ARE YOU, UM, DEALING WITH THE GATE, THE LOCKED GATE ISSUE, WHICH IS WHAT'S THE REMEDY? SO I'M IN THE PLANNING COMMISSION. IT WAS, UH, THE IDEA WAS BROUGHT UP TO AUTOMATE THE GATE TO PUT IN SOME MECHANISMS, AUTOMATED WITH SOME SORT OF CODE. UM, AND I TOLD THEM THAT I WOULD, I WOULD LOOK INTO THAT AND I HAVE, UM, THERE WERE SOME CONCERNS ABOUT MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP AND EXACTLY, UM, WHO, WHO WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT. I'M NOT EVEN CERTAIN THAT MY NEIGHBORS WOULD, WOULD, WOULD WANT ME TO DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT. UM, BUT, UH, IN THE MEANTIME, UM, I'M GOING TO DO MY PLAN WAS TO DO WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE RIGHT NOW. WE HAVE TWO PADLOCKS ON THE CHAIN AND MY PLAN WOULD BE TO ADD A THIRD WITH A COMBINATION THAT I CHANGE, AND THEN [01:05:01] I'D ALSO HAVE A MASTER KEY TOO. SO I WOULD CHANGE THAT COMBINATION BETWEEN LEASERS OR BETWEEN RENTALS. AND, UM, MY UNDERSTANDING IS I BELIEVE THERE WERE TWO OTHER NEIGHBORHOODS IN THE LAST MONTH THAT HAD A SIMILAR SITUATION, UM, WITHOUT, THAT WOULD BE MY INTENTION AT THIS POINT. DO YOU HAVE A, UM, ONE OF THE PEOPLE SPOKE AND MS. COLORS AND I TALKED TODAY, DO YOU HAVE A PLAN FOR, FOR AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN? SHOULD SOMEBODY GET IN THERE? AND THE RIVER GET PRETTY CRAZY? I DO HAVE AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN, A DETAILED IN MY PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. PART OF THAT PACKAGE WOULD GO TO THE LEASER UPON ACCEPTANCE OF THE LEASE. UH, IT TALKS TO 'EM HOW TO GET TO THE LOCAL HOSPITAL, THE LOCAL, UM, EMERGENCY ROOM AS WELL AS AN EVACUATION OUT OF A NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, AND THEN I HAVE SOME COMMON SENSE, SENSE ITEMS LIKE, YOU KNOW, NOT LEAVING TRASH OUT, UM, NO FIREARMS, NO ATVS, JUST THINGS TO TRY TO KEEP DOWN, UH, ANYTHING THAT WOULD BOTHER THE NEIGHBORHOOD. ONE MORE QUESTION. SURE. NO. WHAT IS THE REMEDY FOR NOT BEING, NOT HAVING CELL PHONE SERVICE THERE BECAUSE THAT, I MEAN, EVERYBODY LIVES WITH A CELL PHONE AND IF YOU GET SOMEWHERE WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO CALL NINE ONE ONE OR WHATEVER, WHAT DO YOU HAVE IN PLACE TO, I, I ALREADY HAVE A LANDLINE IN PLACE. OKAY. SO IT'S IN THE HOUSE. THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ALREADY, IT'S ALREADY A FUNCTIONAL, UH, ACTUALLY, UM, AND, UH, AND IN FACT, I KNOW THAT THERE WERE SOME ISSUES WITH THE GATE ALREADY. UM, UH, KYLE HAD MENTIONED THAT PEOPLE CAME TO HIS HOUSE BECAUSE THEY LOST THEIR KEY. UH, SO I THINK THE COMBINATION IS ACTUALLY A BETTER SOLUTION BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE THE KEY IS GETTING LOST AND, UH, AND KYLE'S PAIN FOR THAT. UM, YEAH, SO THAT'S MY ANSWER. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS FROM ANYONE ELSE? THANK YOU. I HAVE ONE, YOU SAID YOU HAVE AN EMERGENCY PLAN WHICH GAVE ADDRESSES AND SO FORTH. AS FAR AS, UH, PHYSICAL EMERGENCIES, DO YOU HAVE A SPECIFIC INFORMATIONAL PLAN OF, FOR PEOPLE WHO'S NEVER WHO HAVE NEVER BEEN ON THE RIVER? UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE OFTEN RIVERS COME UP SLOWER, BUT THEY DO COME UP AND THEY CAN COME UP OVERNIGHT AND NO ONE WANTS TO LEAVE AND LOSE OUT ON SAY A MONDAY IF THE RIVER STARTS RISE AND A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF RAINFALL UP RIVER, THAT SURE HAS IT. WE HAVEN'T EVEN HAD IT, BUT THE RIVERS COMING UP BECAUSE UP RIVER, IT HAS HAD A LOT OF RAIN AND THEY THINK, OH, YOU KNOW, IT'S NO BIG DEAL. WE'LL STAY. DO YOU HAVE A PLAN THAT SPECIFICALLY SAYS, OKAY, WATER'S UP NOW? WHAT DO YOU DO? UM, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, AND THAT'S THE FIRST TIME THEY WENT TO POSE THAT QUESTION TO ME. I, I DON'T HAVE A PLAN, BUT, UM, I'M CERTAINLY WILLING TO ADD THAT TO MY MANAGEMENT PLAN. IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING I REALIZED. UM, THAT WAS SOMETHING I NEEDED TO THINK ABOUT, BUT I THINK IT MAKES SENSE. AND SO I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, AS PART OF, AS PART OF THE APPROVAL PROCESS TO GET, UM, A LICENSE TO RENT, ABSOLUTELY. IN THAT EVENT, WHAT WILL HAPPEN IS THEN, UM, RESCUE PEOPLE ARE GONNA BE PUT IN JEOPARDY TO GO IN AND GET THEM OUT. AND IT'S, IT'S SOMETHING I'VE, I FEEL THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED. UM, YEAH, I GUESS THAT'S JUST, IF YOU'VE NEVER BEEN ON THE RIVER AND YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND IT. SURE, SURE. I MEAN, I USED TO RENT OUT HERE, UH, MANY CABINS. UM, I'LL GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE PAPER. I DON'T REMEMBER ANYTHING LIKE THAT. AND SO IT JUST NEVER OCCURRED TO ME THAT THAT WOULD BE PART OF MY RESPONSIBILITY, BUT IT CERTAINLY MAKES SENSE NOW THAT YOU'RE MENTIONING IT AND I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD, UM, SOMETHING I'M SURE THERE'S SOMETHING THAT, UM, PERHAPS IT'S BOILER PLATE THAT I CAN FIND WHETHER IT'S THROUGH THE COUNTY OR THROUGH ANOTHER LEASING AGENCY, THAT I'D BE HAPPY TO ADD ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE IN THE AUDIENCE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. MA'AM YES. SOMEONE ELSE? YES, SIR. IN REFERENCE. OH, COULD YOU COME UP TO THE PODIUM FORM IN, PLEASE? I'LL BE BRIEF. I'VE HAD MY TIME BEFORE. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT, UH, MR. LADERMAN AGAIN, VERY NICE PERSON. HE HAD MENTIONED THAT OUR CONCERNS WERE SPECULATION FOR US. IT'S NOT SPECULATION. IT'S HISTORY. WE WE'VE HAD THAT HAPPENED TO US FOR ME, 15, 20, 30 YEARS OF, OF PEOPLE THERE PARTYING, COMING DOWN THERE TO PARTY AND CAUSE CHAOS AND CAUSE A MESS. THE FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE IS THAT IT'S A WEEKLY RENTAL. IF IT WERE MR. LAUNDROMAT, IT'D BE GREAT. I'D LOVE TO HAVE HIM THERE ALL THE TIME, BUT IT'S NOT HIM. IT'S PEOPLE WE DON'T KNOW. AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY RESPECT FOR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD OR OUR PRIVACY. SO THAT'S, THAT'S THE BIG ISSUE. THANK YOU. THANK [01:10:01] YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FINAL CALL THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD, IF YOU WILL. YES, SIR. I HAVE A SPECIAL FLOOD HAZARD AREA. COULD YOU EXPAND ON THAT? JUST A TINY BIT? YES. THAT'S THE AREA IN WHICH, UH, FEMA HAS MAPPED ON THE FLOOD INSURANCE RATE MAPS THAT SHOW WHERE THE PROJECTED FLOODING WOULD BE, THIS IS A FLOOD ZONE, A, IT WAS FORMALLY KNOWN AS THE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD, PLAIN. THEY CHANGED THE TERMINOLOGY. THEY CALL IT THE 1% ANNUAL CHANCE OF FLOODING AREA, UM, ZONE A DOES NOT HAVE THE BASE FLOOD ELEVATIONS MAPPED, UH, PORTIONS OF THE COUNTY DO HAVE THAT MAPPED, UM, THE PROXIMITY OF THIS SUBDIVISION TO THE RIVER, UM, BECAUSE WE HAVE A ZONE, A, WE DON'T HAVE THE FLOODWAY ITSELF DETERMINED IN THAT FLOODWAY IS A PRINCIPLE CHANNEL IN WHICH THOSE FLOOD WATERS ARE GOING TO BE GOING DOWNSTREAM. UH, SO THESE HOUSES AS MENTIONED IN SOME OF THE HISTORICAL INFORMATION ARE GOING TO BE HIGHLY SUSCEPTIBLE TO FLOODING. NOW, MR. LUMBERMAN'S HOUSE, UH, WAS BUILT ACCORDING TO CODE AND IS ELEVATED HIS, UH, UH, MECHANICAL EQUIPMENT IS ELEVATED. BUT, UM, THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT, THAT, THAT SIGNIFICANT FLOODING COULD NOT GET INTO THE HOUSE. SO, UM, CERTAINLY AN EMERGENCY EVACUATION PLAN FOR THAT WOULD BE HIGHLY, UH, SUGGESTED, UM, HIS PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN DOES HAVE AN EMERGENCY OR A, AN EVACUATION PLAN, BUT NOT SPECIFIC TO THE HIGH WATER, UH, EVENT. SO THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY SOMETHING THAT WOULD ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO BE INCLUDED IN THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN WITH INFORMATION ON HIS, UH, HOW HIS GUESTS WOULD HAVE TO, UM, BASICALLY ACCESS THAT INFORMATION. THERE'S SOME WEBSITES THROUGH S GS AND OBVIOUSLY THE WEATHER RADIO, UM, THEIR SITES. SO THAT WOULD BE A SUGGESTION, UM, WHERE THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ENFORCEABLE, UM, BY STAFF TO JUST MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS, THAT INFORMATION WAS IN THERE. UH, I WOULD MENTION, AND WHILE I HAVE MY MIC HERE, UH, UH, MR. CARTER DID, UH, AT HIS REQUEST, UM, ASKED ME TO DRAFT A REASONS, UH, IF THE BOARD DOES CHOOSE TO DENY THE PERMIT AND I'VE PROVIDED THAT LIST TO, UM, UM, EMILY AND SHE'S PROVIDED THAT. OKAY, THAT'S GREAT. I HAVE ONE QUESTION UNLESS I'M MISSING IT. UM, THE ONLY THING I SEE ON HERE THAT THE APPLICANT IS REQUIRED TO DO, UM, IS THE WATER TESTING. SO IN ORDER TO RESCIND THIS, THE ONLY THING I SEE ON HERE, IF YOU WOULD BE NONCOMPLIANT WITH THAT, AM I RIGHT? OR AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE? THESE ARE CONDITIONS. OKAY. UH, IF HE WAS FOUND TO EXCEED THAT OCCUPANCY OF SIX PEOPLE, RIGHT? UM, AT ANY TIME, UH, HE, HE WOULD BE IN NONCOMPLIANCE. OKAY. THERE ARE ALSO SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS. OKAY. THE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS ARE ALWAYS INCLUDED IN YOUR STAFF REPORT AND WE PUT THOSE IN THERE. THERE'S, THERE'S A NUMBER OF THEM. AND, UM, THOSE REGULATIONS REQUIRE PRIMARILY A PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN. WE'RE ABLE TO VET THESE USES SOMEWHAT IN COMMUNITIES BY UTILIZING THEM BECAUSE OF THE SETBACK FROM DWELLING TO DWELLING AND, YOU KNOW, OUR NOTIFICATION TO THE PROPERTY OWNERS ASSOCIATION. OKAY. IN THIS CASE, IT'S THE PROPERTY, IT'S A LOOSE KNIT COMMUNITY, A PROPERTY. IT'S NOT LIKE A FORMAL ONE, BUT THESE FOLKS ARE NEIGHBORS THEIR COMMUNITY. SO WE DID REACH OUT AS BEST WE COULD TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE WERE NOTIFIED OF THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. UM, SO THOSE SUPPLEMENTAL REGULATIONS MUST BE MET. THE PROPERTY MANAGEMENT PLAN MUST BE MET. AND THE OCCUPANCY IN THE TWO CONDITIONS THAT WE INCLUDE HERE MUST BE MET. ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS CAN BE ADDED BY YOU AS THE BOARD, IF [01:15:01] THERE ARE ANY SPECIFIC CONCERNS, BUT THE PLANNING COMMISSION DID NOT FEEL, UM, THAT THE REQUIREMENT FOR AN AUTOMATIC GATE WAS NECESSARY. AND SO THEY DID NOT ASK TO HAVE THAT, BUT SUCH THINGS AS LIMITING THE AMOUNT OF VEHICLES ON THE LOT OF PETS SHOOTING, NONE OF THOSE THINGS ARE HERE. SO IF THOSE WERE THINGS THAT HAPPENED, WE THEY'RE NOT ADDRESSED IN THIS. SO WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO PULL IT FOR THOSE REASONS, CORRECT. THAT IS, I GUESS THAT WOULD BE CORRECT, BUT WE WOULD CONSIDER DISTURBING THE PEACE AND HARMONY OF THE COMMUNITY AND, UH, BASICALLY A GENERAL COMPLAINT, UH, THAT IF IT WAS VALIDATED, I BELIEVE WE COULD CONSIDER THAT A NONCOMPLIANCE. AND CERTAINLY IF THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT, UH, WERE ABLE TO MAKE A CASE OF THAT, UM, THEY COULD, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE RESTRICTIVE COVENANTS WHEN THE USE OF ATVS OR DIRT BIKES IN THIS COMMUNITY, BUT IT IS A VERY SHORT ROAD. THERE'S REALLY NOT MUCH IN A WAY OF BEING ABLE TO RIDE AROUND. AND IF YOU WERE, YOU WOULD PROBABLY BE TRESPASSING ON OTHERS' PROPERTY. AND THAT WOULD BE CERTAINLY A REASON FOR NONCOMPLIANCE. UH, AND HE TRUSTS PASSING ON OTHER PROPERTY BY GUESTS OF MR. A HUNDRED MEN WOULD BE CONSIDERED A NONCOMPLIANT VIOLATION OF THE, OF THE CONDITIONAL USE. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, CONCERNS, WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENY THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT REQUEST OF MARIO AND WENDY LOUD. I'M IN FOR A SHORT TERM, UM, TOURIST RENTAL, AND AFTER HEARING THE THINGS THAT WERE SAID, I JUST FEEL LIKE THIS IS, UM, TOO DISRUPTIVE TO THE, TO THE RESIDENTS AT THIS POINT. SECOND THING. ANY ADDITIONAL CONCERNS? YOUR QUESTION? YES. MA'AM. WELL, I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT MR. LENDERMAN COULD RENT HIS HOUSE TO SOMEBODY FOR THREE MONTHS OR SIX MONTHS OR 12 MONTHS OR A MONTH, A MONTH RENTAL. AND IN DOING THAT, UM, YOU DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE GOING TO GET. I'VE HAD NEIGHBORS BELIEVE ME THAT HAVE LIVED NEXT TO ME, THAT I WISH COULD HAVE BEEN EVICTED AND IT TOOK FOREVER. UM, SO I JUST WANT TO COMMUNICATE THAT I ACTUALLY SUPPORT MR. WUNDERMAN'S REQUESTS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THE, I BELIEVE YOU HAVE MORE ABILITY TO CONTROL WHO IS IN YOUR PLACE THAN YOU DO IF YOU RENT IT AND THEN YOU TRY TO EVICT THEM. UH, YOU DON'T HAVE THE, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO EVICT SOMEBODY IN THE STATE OF VIRGINIA. AND SO, UM, YOU KNOW, THE PREVIOUS HISTORICAL PROBLEMS HAVE BEEN WITH PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY WERE RENTING OR LIVE. THEY'RE NOT PEOPLE WHO WERE VETTED BY SOMEBODY IN A MANAGEMENT SITUATION. THE OTHER THING THAT I WOULD ADD IS THAT MR. LENDERMAN HAS A VESTED INTEREST IN THE COMMUNITY, IN THIS HOUSE TO KEEP IT IN GOOD SHAPE SO THAT HE CAN CONTINUE TO RUN IT BECAUSE THEY SHOW PICTURES ON THESE, THESE WEBSITES OF THE HOME AND ITS INTERIOR TO PEOPLE WHO ARE CONSIDERING THE RENTAL. SO IN THAT CASE, I ACTUALLY WILL SAY NE DO THE MOTION CURRENT AT PRESENT. THANK YOU, MRS. SHIRAKI. COULD WE GET A, UM, A ROLE CONFLICT? YES. MR. FOX. I'M SO SORRY. MS. COLORS. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. OATS. [K2. Adoption of a Resolution Authorizing the Issuance of School Refunding Bonds – Ed Daley] NEXT START. I'M ON OUR AGENDA AS THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF THE SCHOOL REFUNDING BONDS. MR. DALEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. UH, WE HAVE THIS EVENING, THE NEXT STEP IN THE PROCESS OF REFUNDING OF OUR SCHOOL BONDS. AND YOU HAD A PRESENTATION AT YOUR LAST MEETING, THE WORK SESSION, AND MR. COLE WAS BACK FROM DAVENPORT TO BE ABLE TO UPDATE US ON THAT. YOU HAVE IT IN FRONT OF YOU THERE IT'S EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UM, I PASS SOMETHING OUT JUST BEFORE THE MEETING. THERE WERE TWO PACKETS. UM, AND WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS TO [01:20:01] WALK THROUGH THE ONE THAT'S GOT YOUR LOGO ON THE COVER, UM, AS MR. DALEY SAID, UM, I BELIEVE SOME OF YOU HAVE HEARD THIS PRESENTATION BEFORE. UM, THIS EVENING THERE IS A RESOLUTION FOR YOU ALL TO CONSIDER IF YOU'D LIKE TO, TO MOVE THIS FORWARD. UM, THE SCHOOL BOARD ALSO HAS, UH, NEEDS TO APPROVE THIS. THEY'VE DONE THAT. UM, BUT IT, IT ONLY MOVES FORWARD IF YOU ALL DECIDE THAT YOU'D LIKE TO MOVE IT FORWARD. SO, UM, AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO PLEASE ASK QUESTIONS ALONG THE WAY THAT IS AT TIMES FAIRLY TECHNICAL AND, AND NOT NECESSARILY STRAIGHTFORWARD IF YOU'RE NOT INVOLVED IN THESE DEALINGS ON A REGULAR BASIS THERE PAGE NUMBERS IN THE LOWER RIGHT CORNER. AND SO I'M GOING TO START ON PAGE ONE, WHICH IS BEHIND THE COVER PAGE. UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS POTENTIALLY REFINANCING TWO PIECES OF DEBT THAT ARE OUTSTANDING CURRENTLY. ONE FROM 2013 THAT, UM, FUNDED LURAY AVENUE MIDDLE SCHOOL, UM, IT'S CURRENTLY HELD BY SUNTRUST BANK OR SOON TO BE TRUEST BANK SINCE THEIR MERGER. UM, AND THEN THE OTHER WAS ISSUED IN 2014 THROUGH THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY. UH, AND THAT ONE WAS ASSOCIATED WITH WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL. SO BOTH OF THESE ARE ASSOCIATED WITH SCHOOL PROJECTS. UM, THEY ARE FIXED RATE BONDS. NOW, UM, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING TO DO IS GO FORWARD THROUGH THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY, WHICH IS A STATE FUNDING PROGRAM FOR SCHOOL PROJECTS. THEY SELL BONDS TWICE A YEAR, UM, IN A POOL PROGRAM, UM, WHERE LOTS OF LOCAL GOVERNMENTS, COUNTIES OR CITIES CAN PARTICIPATE TO FUND SCHOOL PROJECTS OR REFUND SCHOOL PROJECTS AS THE CASE MAY BE. UM, WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR FALL POOL. UM, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE TIMING IN A MOMENT. UM, IF FOR SOME REASON, UH, WE CHOOSE NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN THEIR FALL POOL OR THE MARKET MOVES BETWEEN NOW AND, AND MID-OCTOBER WHEN THEY SELL THEIR BONDS AND IT'S NOT AN ATTRACTIVE TRANSACTION. UM, WE HAVE A PLAN B THAT IS INCLUDED OR, OR WILL BE AVAILABLE TO YOU ALL WHICH IS TO PARTICIPATE IN SOMETHING CALLED A VPS, A STANDALONE PROGRAM, WHICH IS OFF-CYCLE TO THE POOLS. YOU COULD DO IT IN FOR INSTANCE, FEBRUARY OR MARCH, IF THERE WERE A REASON TO DO IT RATHER THAN HAVING TO PARTICIPATE IN EITHER THEIR FALL OR SPRING POOL. SO THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING TONIGHT THAT WILL COVER YOU EITHER WAY, BUT THE RESOLUTION IS FOR THE FALL POOL. OKAY, I'M GOING ON TO PAGE TWO, A LITTLE BIT OF THE DETAILS OF THOSE TWO PIECES OF DEBT THAT WE WOULD POTENTIALLY REFINANCE. THE, THE TOP HALF OF THE PAGE IS TALKING ABOUT THE 2013 BONDS. AGAIN, THOSE ARE HELD BY SUNTRUST BANK. THEY ARE PREPAYABLE. UM, THEIR FINAL MATURITY GOES OUT TO 2028. AND IF WE DID THIS REFUNDING, WE WOULD CONTINUE AT 2028. SO IN OTHER WORDS, WE'RE NOT SHORTENING THE DEBT. WE'RE NOT EXTENDING THE DEBT. IT'S GONNA PAY OFF IN THE SAME FISCAL YEAR AS IT WOULD CURRENTLY. AND, UH, THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED THE PAR AMOUNT OR THE PRINCIPLE AMOUNT OUTSTANDING THAT IS CALLABLE OR REFUNDABLE. WE'LL USE THOSE TERMS INTERCHANGEABLY OF ABOUT 4.4 MILLION. AND IT HAS A RATE OF 2.8, 3%. THE 20 FOURTEENS. I'M NOT HELD BY A BANK. THEY WERE ISSUED THROUGH THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY, UM, LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT. THE, THE THIRTEENS ARE PREPAYABLE IMMEDIATELY. SO IF WE CLOSE ON THE LOAN WITH VPN, WE PAY OFF SUNTRUST SIMULTANEOUSLY, AND THAT LOAN GOES AWAY IMMEDIATELY WITH THE FOURTEENS. THOSE BONDS TECHNICALLY CANNOT BE CALLED FROM THE CURRENT BOND HOLDERS UNTIL 2024. UM, AND AS A RESULT, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE CALL AN ADVANCE REFUNDING. WE WOULD BE ISSUING BONDS IN 2020. WE WOULD BE PUTTING THE MONEY FROM THAT BOND ISSUE IN A DEDICATED SEGREGATED ESCROW. AND THAT ESCROW WOULD BE SIZED TO THE PENNY. THERE WOULD BE ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT ESCROW TO THE PENNY TO CONTINUE TO PAY THE DEBT SERVICE ON THOSE 14 BONDS UNTIL 2024, WHEN THEY CAN BE CALLED FROM THE BOND HOLDERS. THAT'S THE FIRST AVAILABLE DATE THAT WE CAN TAKE THEM FROM THE BOND HOLDERS THAT WAS AGREED TO IN 2014. NOW, ONCE YOU FUND THAT ESCROW, YOU'RE NO LONGER OBLIGATED TO MAKE THOSE PAYMENTS, BECAUSE AGAIN, IT'S INVESTED, IT'S INVESTED IN TREASURIES, NOTHING ELSE. YOU CAN'T DO ANY OTHER SORT OF INVESTMENT. AND IT'S SIZED LITERALLY TO THE PENNY TO MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE 14 BONDS GET PAID EXACTLY WHAT [01:25:01] THEY'RE DO. AND ON THE CALL DATE OF JULY OF 2024, WE PAY THEM OFF AND THEY'RE OUT OF THE MARKET. BUT, BUT ONCE THAT ESCROW IS FUNDED, THE COUNTY'S OBLIGATION TO MAKE PAYMENTS ON THE 14 BONDS GOES AWAY. WHAT YOU'RE LEFT TO DO IS PAY DEBT SERVICE ON THE NEW 2020 BONDS. I KNOW THERE WERE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE ESCROW, AND THERE'S A SECOND HANDOUT ABOUT THAT, WHICH I CAN COVER HERE IN A MOMENT. BUT, UM, THE 2014, NOT ONLY IT'S UNIQUE IN THE WAY I JUST DESCRIBED IT. UM, BUT IT ALSO SORT OF PROMPTS THE QUESTION, WHICH I THINK IS PROBABLY THE HARDEST QUESTION TO DEAL WITH HERE IS, IS COULD WE DO BETTER BY WAITING? WE HAVE, COULD WE DO NOTHING WITH THE 2014 BONDS AND WAIT AND POTENTIALLY DO BETTER BY REFUNDING IT AT SOME LATER DATE, WHETHER IT'S NEXT SPRING TWO YEARS FROM NOW THREE YEARS FROM NOW, MAYBE IN 2024. AND WE'RE GOING TO TRY TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THAT. OKAY. ANY QUESTIONS SO FAR? OKAY. UM, IF YOU GO TO PAGE THREE, WE'VE GOT THE DETAILS AROUND THE 2013 BOND. UM, KEEP IN MIND, WE'RE ASSUMING WE DO BOTH THE 13 AND THE 14 TOGETHER. IT WOULD BE PART OF THE SAME TRANSACTION, BUT WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU ON PAGE THREE IS JUST THE RESULTS OF THE 13. AND ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU CAN SEE SOME OF THE PARTICULARS, AGAIN, 4.4 MILLION. IT'S GOT A RATE OF A 2.8, 3%. WE CAN PREPAY IT WITHOUT PENALTY IMMEDIATELY. UM, ON THE NEW BONDS, THE FINAL MATURITY WOULD BE 20, 28. AND OUR INTEREST RATE IS UNDER, UM, 0.7%. SO THAT IS WHERE THE SAVINGS ARE BEING GENERATED. WE'RE GOING FROM A 2.83 TO SOMETHING BELOW 1%. AND SO JUST SORT OF VERY SIMILAR TO MAYBE A MORTGAGE REFINANCING. YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF LOWER INTEREST RATES. WE DO HAVE COST OF ISSUANCE BUILT INTO THE ANALYSIS, AND I'VE GOT DETAIL OF THAT HERE IN A FEW PAGES. AND WHEN WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ANY OF THE SAVINGS, WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THOSE COSTS. SO WHEN WE TELL YOU BASED ON CURRENT MARKET, THAT FOR THE 2013 BONDS, WE HAVE SAVINGS OF ABOUT 430,000. UM, IT'S ABOUT 51,000, EXCUSE ME, $53,000 A YEAR. WE ARE ACCOUNTING FOR THE COST OF ISSUANCE. IN OTHER WORDS, YOU DON'T NEED TO NET ANYTHING OUT OF THAT THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN ACCOUNTED FOR, BECAUSE IF YOU WERE TO DO THIS AND THERE WILL BE COST OF ISSUANCE AGAIN, I'LL TALK ABOUT THAT IN A MOMENT, THE EXPECTATION WOULD BE THAT YOU WOULD INCLUDE THOSE IN THE REFUND YOU WOULD BORROW. IT WOULD BE AS PART OF THE BORROWING TO PAY THE COST OF ISSUANCE. THAT'S TYPICAL. IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE THAT WAY. YOU COULD PAY OUT OF POCKET IF YOU WANTED TO, BUT WE'VE ASSUMED YOU WOULD INCLUDE IT IN THE BORROWING. AND THEN WHEN WE COMPARE THE EXISTING DEBT SERVICE TO THE NEW DEBT SERVICE AND WE'RE SHOWING SAVINGS, WE HAVE THEREFORE ACCOUNTED FOR THE FACT THAT THERE WERE COST OF ISSUANCE. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF PAGE THREE, IN THAT GREEN COLUMN, AGGREGATE SAVINGS ABOUT $53,000 PER YEAR, ON AVERAGE, OVER THE REMAINING SEVEN OR SO YEARS, YOU'VE GOT ABOUT $430,000 OF SAVINGS. KEEP IN MIND, THAT'S BASED ON CURRENT MARKET ESTIMATES, THE BOND MARKET MOVES AROUND EVERY DAY, SOME DAYS MORE THAN OTHERS OVER THE LAST WEEK OR SO, IT'S MOVED VERY, VERY LITTLE. UM, WHEN WE STARTED LOOKING AT THESE BACK IN EARLY, UH, LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST FOR THE FIRST COUPLE OF WEEKS, WE SAW RATES RISING. UM, THE OTHER IMPORTANT NUMBER I WANT TO POINT OUT IS ON THE LEFTHAND SIDE LINE 17, IT'S CALLED NET PV. THAT STANDS FOR PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS. IT IS A MEASURE OF THE, UM, SAVINGS AS A PERCENT OF THE AMOUNT OF BONDS THAT YOU'RE REFUNDING THE PERCENTAGE, THE BETTER YOUR GET YOUR SAVINGS OR A GREATER PERCENTAGE OF THE BONDS THAT WE'RE REFUNDING. AND THIS BOND, THIS LOAN BY ITSELF UNDER CURRENT MARKET IS PRODUCING ABOUT 9.4% SAVINGS. GENERALLY SPEAKING IN, IN THE MUNICIPAL BOND INDUSTRY, IT'S NOT A RULE, IT'S NOT A LAW, IT'S MORE OF A RULE OF, UH, A GUIDELINE THREE TO 5% AS A MINIMUM IS DEEMED TO BE SORT OF THE MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE LEVEL FOR, UH, FOR A REFUNDING. SO IN THIS CASE, WE'RE A MULTIPLE OF THAT. AND AGAIN, I'M GOING TO COME BACK TO THAT PERCENTAGE BECAUSE ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE CONTEMPLATED IN THE RESOLUTION IS SOME PROTECTION FOR THE COUNTY THAT BETWEEN NOW, AND MID-OCTOBER WHEN VPN SELLS THEIR BONDS. WHAT IF RATES START TO RISE? RIGHT? AND THE SAVINGS START TO DETERIORATE. AND WE SAY, THIS IS NOT REALLY WHAT WE WANT TO DO. WE WANT TO PULL THE PLUG. WHAT WE, UM, [01:30:01] WHAT WE HAVE ESTABLISHED WITH THE VPS PROGRAM IS WE WOULD INCLUDE IN THE RESOLUTION A MINIMUM LEVEL OF SAVINGS, UM, THAT IF WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT YOU DON'T MOVE FORWARD AND YOU DON'T PAY ANY COSTS. AND IT'S GOING TO BE BASED ON THAT NET PRESENT VALUE PERCENTAGE. OKAY. SO THIS ONE BY ITSELF IS ABOUT NINE AND A HALF PERCENT CURRENTLY. OKAY. LOOK AT THE OTHER, THE OTHER PIECE OF THE TRANSACTION ON PAGE FOUR, THESE ARE THE 14 BONDS. IT'S A LARGER LOAN. IT GOES OUT LONGER. UM, AND, AND AGAIN, THEY CAN'T BE PAID OFF IMMEDIATELY. THEY CAN'T BE TAKEN FROM THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE BONDS UNTIL JULY OF 24. WE KNOW THAT UPFRONT. UM, BUT CURRENTLY WHEN YOU TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THAT ESCROW AND THE ISSUANCE COSTS, WE ARE SEEING A LITTLE OVER $2 MILLION IN TOTAL SAVINGS, ABOUT $105,000 A YEAR FROM JUST THE FOURTEENS AND ONLINE 17, YOU'LL SEE THAT'S ABOUT FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT PRESENT VALUE. SO IT'S MORE DOLLARS OF SAVINGS THAN THE THIRTEENS, BUT IT'S ALSO A BIGGER TRANSACTION. SO THE PERCENTAGE IS NOT QUITE AS STRONG AS THE THIRTEENS WERE, BUT IT'S STILL IN THAT THREE TO 5% MINIMUM. SO WE THINK IT'S A REASONABLE REFUNDING FOR Y'ALL TO BE CONSIDERING, OKAY. COMBINED ON PAGE FIVE, IT'S ALL IT WOULD BE DONE TOGETHER. WE HAVE THE SAVINGS FROM THE THIRTEENS, THE SAVINGS FROM THE FOURTEENS AND COMBINED WE'RE AT AN ESTIMATED 2.4 MILLION, UM, AND ON A COMBINED BASIS, ONLINE 18. NOW IT'S 5.9, 8% PV, RIGHT? THE THIRTEENS ARE NINE AND A HALF PERCENT. THE FOURTEENS ARE FIVE AND A HALF PERCENT, BUT WHEN WE, UH, WAIT THEM OUT, ACCORDING THEIR SIZE, WE'RE AT ABOUT JUST UNDER 6% PV SAVINGS. OKAY. AND YOU'LL NOTICE THAT THE THIRTEENS ONLY GO OUT TO THEIR STATED MATURITY AND THE FOURTEENS GO OUT TO THEIR STATED MATURITY. SO AS A RESULT, YOUR SAVINGS ARE A LITTLE MORE FRONT-LOADED RIGHT. UM, IN THAT GREEN COLUMN, OVER ON THE RIGHT, AS A POINT OF REFERENCE, EARLA LATE, LATE, LATE JULY, EARLY AUGUST. UM, THE SAVINGS, UM, WERE ALMOST 3 MILLION. SO, SO WE, WE WERE S WE WERE IN A VERY, VERY LOW RATE ENVIRONMENT. IN LATE JULY. WE SAW RATES RISE, UM, AS RATES RISE, THE SAVINGS GO DOWN. WE'VE BEEN PRETTY STEADY, BUT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO GET TO MID-OCTOBER BEFORE THE VPSA PROGRAM SELLS THEIR BONDS. SO CURRENTLY TWO AND A HALF PERCENT, EXCUSE ME, 2.4 MILLION OF SAVINGS, OR IN THE AGGREGATE 5.9, 8%. THAT'S AN IMPORTANT NUMBER. OKAY. SO A LITTLE PERSPECTIVE ON THE FOURTEENS ON PAGE SIX, AGAIN, THESE ARE THE ONES THAT YOU HAVE THIS ESCROW, IT'S AN ADVANCED REFUNDING AND UNDERCURRENT LAW, BECAUSE IT'S AN ADVANCED REFUNDING. WE HAVE TO DO THESE ON A TAXABLE BASIS RATHER THAN A TAX EXEMPT BASIS. NORMALLY FOR A SCHOOL PROJECT, LOCAL GOVERNMENT WOULD BORROW ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS, BUT BECAUSE OF CURRENT IRS REGULATIONS, THIS HAS TO BE TON DONE, TAXABLE THE RESULTS I JUST SHOWED. YOU ASSUME THAT IT WAS DONE TAXABLE. IT IS NOT UNTIL RIGHT NOW UNDER CURRENT LAW, IT'S NOT UNTIL 2024, THAT YOU COULD DO IT ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS. SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE SIX, WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, WHAT WE'RE SHOWING YOU IS IF YOU WERE TO WAIT UNTIL 2024, WHEN THAT CALL DATE HE HITS, WHAT THAT MEANS MEANS IS IT'S NO LONGER AN ADVANCED REFUNDING. THERE'S NO LONGER A NEED FOR THAT ESCROW. AND WE COULD DO IT ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS. AND IF TAX EXEMPT RATES THEN ARE THE SAME AS WHAT THEY ARE TODAY, YOU CAN SEE YOU HAVE SAVINGS IN EXCESS OF $6 MILLION. THAT IS SORT OF THE ESSENCE OF COULD WE DO BETTER BY WAITING? AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE, WE DON'T KNOW, RIGHT? I MEAN, THAT'S A LITTLE BIT OF A CLICHE, BUT HINDSIGHT WILL BE 2020, RIGHT? WHEN 2024 ROLLS AROUND, WE CAN LOOK BACK IN TIME AND SAY, WHEN WOULD HAVE BEEN THE ABSOLUTE BEST TIME TO REFUND THESE BONDS. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN NOW AND THEN IF, IF RATES DON'T CHANGE, YOU DEFINITELY WOULD COME OUT BETTER. IF RATES GO LOWER, EVEN BETTER THAN THAT, IF RATES GO HIGHER, IT DEPENDS ON HOW HIGH AND HOW QUICKLY AND WHAT WE'VE MEASURED ONLINE FOR THERE IS THAT RATES COULD GO UP BY ABOUT ONE AND A HALF PERCENT. AND YOU BREAK EVEN TO WHAT YOU COULD LOCK IN WITH SAVINGS TODAY. [01:35:01] SO IN OTHER WORDS, IF YOU DECIDED TO WAIT AND RATES WENT UP BY MORE THAN ONE AND A HALF PERCENT, YOU WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF GOING. NOW, IF RATES DON'T GO UP BY THAT AMOUNT, YOU'RE GOING TO BE BETTER OFF HAVING WAITED. AND THAT'S THE REAL TOUGH QUESTION. WHAT ARE RATES GOING TO DO? THESE ARE LONGTERM RATES. WE ARE VERY LOW. UM, WE'RE NOT AT THE ABSOLUTE LOWEST LEVEL HISTORICALLY, BUT WE'RE PRETTY CLOSE. THEY CERTAINLY HAVE MORE ROOM TO GO UP THAN DOWN, BUT THAT CERTAINLY DOESN'T MEAN THEY WILL AND HOW MUCH THEY MIGHT GO UP AND HOW QUICKLY IS, IS REALLY THE UNKNOWN. SO, UM, JUST IT'S A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO GRAPPLE WITH, BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IS WHAT'S THE OPPORTUNITY TO LOCK IN SAVINGS TODAY. UM, I WOULD VENTURE TO SAY THAT IF YOU WERE TO DO THIS TRANSACTION TODAY, YOU'LL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY IN THE FUTURE TO REFUND IT. THAT'S JUST TENDS TO BE THE WAY THE MUNICIPAL BOND MARKET WORKS. I DON'T THINK THIS'LL BE YOUR ONE AND ONLY OPPORTUNITY. UM, BUT WHEN YOU SELL BONDS TO VPSA, YOU'RE KIND OF LOCKED OUT FOR 10 YEARS. SO IT'S GOING TO BE YOUR OPPORTUNITY FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AFTER THAT. I THINK YOU WILL LIKELY HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY, BUT THAT'S A LONG TIME FROM NOW. OKAY. UM, EXCUSE ME, TED. YES. SO IF THE BOARD LOOKS BACK ON PAGE THREE AT THE 2013 AND THE SAVINGS IS THE 9.45% OR 431,000, AND THEN THEY LOOK OVER ON PAGE 10, THE COST OF ISSUANCE OF THE COMBINED IS THE FIVE 43 WOULD THE COST OF ISSUANCE FROM, UM, THE UNDERWRITING DOWN NIGHTLINE SEVEN. WOULD THAT REDUCE SIGNIFICANTLY? I KNOW. AND WHAT I'M GETTING AT IS IF THEY DECIDED TO HOLD ON 2014, WOULD THAT HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT ON THE SAVINGS ON 2013? OKAY, EXCELLENT. UM, SO LET ME, LET ME EXPLAIN THE COST OF ISSUANCE ON 10. UM, IF EVERYBODY'S THERE, WE'VE GOT FIXED COST OF ISSUANCE, UM, AND WE'VE, WE'VE GOT OURSELVES DAVENPORT AND COMPANY AS YOUR ADVISOR, YOUR BOND ATTORNEY SANDS ANDERSON AND VPSS COUNSEL, MCGUIRE WOODS, THOSE SOME UP TO 145,000 BEYOND THAT YOU HAVE FEES ASSOCIATED WITH THE VPSS PROGRAM. UM, THE UNDERWRITING THAT, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE UNDERWRITERS THAT SELL THEIR BONDS AND, AND WE'VE ESTIMATED THAT, UM, AS WE FOOTNOTED AND FOR THAT LARGER TRANSACTION, WE'VE ESTIMATED THAT AT 189,000, IF THE FOURTEENS DROPPED OUT, THAT WOULD COME DOWN, THAT IS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE TRANSACTION, AS WELL AS THE VPS, A PROGRAM FEE ONLINE NINE, THAT IS BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE TRANSACTION. ALL OF THESE COSTS THAT WE'VE LISTED HERE ON 10 WE'VE ACCOUNTED FOR IN THE, THE NUMBERS THAT I'VE SHARED WITH YOU, BUT TO MR. DALEY'S SPECIFIC QUESTION UNDER THE CURRENT MARKET ENVIRONMENT. MMM. IF THE THIRTEENS WERE DONE TRULY BY THEMSELVES, WITHOUT THE FOURTEENS, REMEMBER WITH THE FOURTEENS, THERE'S ABOUT 430,000 OF SAVINGS, RIGHT? THAT'S IF THEY'RE DONE IN CONJUNCTION WITH, IF THEY'RE DONE BY THEMSELVES, UM, WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ABOUT IS ABOUT 300,000 OF SAVINGS, AND THAT'S ABOUT SIX AND A HALF PERCENT. SO THE THIRTEENS COULD BE DONE BY THEMSELVES. UM, SOME OF THESE COSTS WOULD COME DOWN BECAUSE THEY ARE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE TRANSACTION. UM, AND UNDER THE CURRENT MARKET ENVIRONMENT, AGAIN, REPEATING MYSELF, IT'S ABOUT 300,000 OF TOTAL SAVINGS OR SIX AND A HALF PERCENT. OKAY. UM, THERE'S, THERE'S ANOTHER SUBTLETY THAT I, THAT I NEED TO EXPLAIN, AND THAT IS, I'M GOING TO GO BACKWARDS ON PAGE SEVEN. AND THIS IS AGAIN, JUST THE 14. IT IS NOT, NOT AN ALL OR NOTHING PROPOSITION. AND WHAT I MEAN BY THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE SEVEN ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE, YOU'LL SEE [01:40:01] THAT THERE ARE MATURITIES FROM 2025 TO 2039. AND IN TOTAL THAT'S 30 AND A HALF MILLION. THOSE ARE ALL THE BONDS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE REFUNDED. OKAY. THAT DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO ALL OF THOSE BONDS. YOU COULD DO SOME OF THOSE BONDS, AND YOU'LL SEE THAT THERE'S A PAR AMOUNT OR A PRINCIPLE AMOUNT FOR EACH MATURITY. AND EACH OF THEM HAS, IS GENERATING A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF SAVINGS. SOME ARE BETTER THAN OTHERS IN DOLLARS AND IN PERCENTAGE, RIGHT? YOU KIND OF SEE THAT UNDER THE PV SAVINGS DOLLARS OR THE PERCENTAGE, SOME OF THEM ARE MUCH MORE PRODUCING, MUCH GREATER LEVEL OF SAVINGS, WHETHER IT'S DOLLARS OR PERCENTAGE THAN OTHERS. AND IT'S GENERALLY THOSE ON THE LONGER END OF THE S OF THE LOAN THAT ARE PRODUCING MORE SAVINGS. WHAT I'VE TALKED TO YOU ABOUT THUS FAR AS IS REFUNDING ALL OF THESE AT ONE TIME, THOSE ARE THE SAVINGS THAT I'VE DISCUSSED ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE PAGE. WE'VE SAID, YOU KNOW WHAT, MAYBE WE DON'T WANT TO REFUND SOME OF THOSE EARLIER MATURITIES. LET'S JUST PICK THOSE MATURITIES THAT HAVE A 5% OR GREATER PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS. AND THAT HAPPENS TO BE AGAIN ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE, THOSE THAT MATURE FROM 34 TO 39. SO IT'S A SMALLER TRANSACTION, THERE'S LESS SAVINGS. BUT WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS THE PRES PRESENT VALUE PERCENTAGE IS ALMOST DOUBLE IT'S 9.3% BECAUSE YES, THE SAVINGS HAVE COME DOWN, BUT THE SIZE OF THE TRANSACTION HAS COME DOWN EVEN GREATER. SO THE MATH ON THE PERCENTAGE IS, IS A, IS A MUCH HIGHER PERCENTAGE. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT THE RESOLUTION HAS DONE IS CREATED BETWEEN THE, THE, THE BOARD CHAIRMAN AND THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR, THE ABILITY TO MAKE SOME DECISIONS ABOUT WHICH OF THESE MATURITIES SHOULD STAY IN OR OUT TO MAXIMIZE THE OPPORTUNITY. UM, SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THESE TWO SIDE BY SIDE REFUNDING, ALL OF THE BONDS AT THE VERY BOTTOM ON THE LEFT IS $2 MILLION OF SAVINGS. REFUNDING PART OF THE BONDS IS 1,000,006, SO YOU ARE DEFINITELY GETTING LESS SAVINGS, BUT THE PRESENT VALUE IS 9.3% VERSUS FIVE AND A HALF. AS I LOOK AT THIS, IF YOU DON'T DO THOSE EARLIER, MATURITIES, THE QUESTION BECOMES, WILL YOU EVER GO BACK AND GET THEM, RIGHT? THERE'S NO GUARANTEE THAT YOU COULD GO BACK NEXT YEAR OR THE FOLLOWING AND GET THEM. AND AT LEAST MOST ALL OF THEM ARE PRODUCING SOME LEVEL OF SAVINGS. MAYBE NOT AS STRONG AS THE LATER MATURITIES, BUT THEY ARE PRODUCING SAVINGS. SO I THINK THERE'S SOME MERIT AS YOU LOOK AT THIS TO BE PLANNING, TO DO ALL OF THE MATURITIES, BUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE THE FLEXIBILITY WHERE YOU SAY, LOOK, I DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING. THAT'S GOT NEGATIVE SAVINGS. I WANT THE ABILITY TO PULL SOME OF THESE OUT. AND FOR THAT MATTER, I WANT THE ABILITY TO PULL ALL OF THE FOURTEENS OUT. IF IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE. AND THAT'S THE WAY WE'VE TRIED TO SET UP THE RESOLUTION. THE THIRTEENS AGAIN, IS A MUCH SIMPLER CONCEPT BECAUSE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ESCROW AND IT'S NOT TAXABLE. IT'S VERY, IT'S VERY CLEAN IN THAT REGARD. UM, SO THE RESOLUTION DOES ALLOW THAT IF WE CAN ACHIEVE IT CURRENTLY READS, IF WE CAN'T ACHIEVE 3% SAVINGS OR GREATER, WE WANT THE ABILITY TO GET OUT WITHOUT PENALTY, BUT IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO JUST DO THE THIRTEENS OR DO THE THIRTEENS AND THE FOURTEENS, BUT MAYBE NOT ALL OF THE FOURTEENS TO GET THE MAXIMUM NUMBER OF MATURITIES. THAT MAKE SENSE. SO, UM, I, I REALIZED, AGAIN, THERE'S A, THERE'S A LOT OF INFORMATION, BUT THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE COMPLICATED TYPES OF TRANSACTIONS THAT YOU MIGHT DO. UM, THEY'RE DONE PRETTY REGULARLY, BUT IT DOESN'T MAKE IT NECESSARILY ANY MORE STRAIGHT FORWARD FOR YOU. UM, AND, AND WHAT, AGAIN, WE'VE TRIED TO DO IS CREATE ENOUGH FLEXIBILITY AND PROTECTION IN THE RESOLUTION WHERE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DO A TRANSACTION THAT DOESN'T MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE. AND YOU'VE GOT THE ABILITY TO PICK AND CHOOSE BETWEEN THE THIRTEENS AND THE FOURTEENS, WHICH ONES TO INCLUDE TO MAXIMIZE THE SAVINGS. SO IF I CAN INTERRUPT FOR JUST A MINUTE AGAIN. SO IF YOU LOOK AT THAT CHART ON PAGE SEVEN, YOU GET 80% OF YOUR SAVINGS LAST YEAR FROM 2034 ON, AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO THROW 20, 33 IN THERE. YOU CAN THINK ABOUT THAT, BUT GIVING THE FLEXIBILITY, HE'S TALKING ABOUT LET'S US. WHEN WE SEE WHAT THE RATES ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE, HOW IT AFFECTS THIS CHART, YOU CAN GET 80% OF YOUR SAVINGS AND SIGNIFICANTLY IMPROVE YOUR OVERALL SAVINGS PERCENTAGE [01:45:01] BY DOING THAT AND JUST CARRYING THE SHORTER TERM, IF YOU WANT TO CALL IT THAT, CAUSE IT IS 10 YEARS, UH, DIRECTLY AND LEAVING THEM AS THEY ARE, INSTEAD OF PUTTING THEM UP IN THE ESCROW ACCOUNT. THAT'S CORRECT. AND, AND IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO INCLUDE THOSE SHORTER MATURITIES, AGAIN, IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THEM AT SOME LATER DATE. YOU WILL BE ABLE TO CONSIDER DOING THEM. IT'S JUST A QUESTION OF WHETHER THE ECONOMICS WILL BE THERE AT THAT TIME. UM, SO OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THE AGGREGATE, PRESENT VALUE, AGAIN, THE 5.48% OR THE 9.3, 4% AND MAKE A DECISION BASED ON THAT SORT OF INCLUDING ALL MATURITIES, BUT WE'VE PURPOSELY SET IT UP WHERE YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT. YOU CAN, YOU CAN PICK AND CHOOSE AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE SALE DATE. AND LET ME JUST ADDRESS THAT. I REALIZE YOU MAY HAVE QUESTIONS, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU UNDERSTAND THE TIMETABLE ON PAGE 11. UM, IF YOU WERE TO CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION THIS EVENING, THAT WOULD BE YOUR FINAL APPROVAL. UM, IT, AMONG OTHER THINGS, IT ESTABLISHES THE PARAMETERS FOR ISSUING THE DEBT. IT CAN'T BE ABOVE A CERTAIN DOLLAR AMOUNT AND IT CAN'T BE LONGER THAN A CERTAIN MATURITY. THE REALITY IS WE'RE ONLY IF WE DO THIS, WE'RE ONLY GOING TO ISSUE ENOUGH NEW DEBT THROUGH VPN TO PAY OFF THE OLD DEBT AND THE COSTS. UM, BUT, AND YOU'VE GOT THIS PARAMETER FOR THE MINIMUM LEVEL OF SAVINGS WITH YOUR COUNTY, UH, ADMINISTRATOR AND BOARD CHAIR, ABLE TO MAKE SOME FINE TUNING DECISIONS. AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE SALE DATE, THE VPN BOARD IS MEETING, I GUESS, IT'S TO CONSIDER YOUR APPLICATION. I HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE THEY WOULDN'T APPROVE IT. THAT IN AND OF ITSELF DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO DO THIS, UM, THE DEADLINE TO GET WORD BACK TO OR GET YOUR, YOUR, YOUR PAPERWORK INTO ESSAY IS OCTOBER 5TH. UM, AND THEN THE VPS PROGRAM SELLS THEIR BONDS ON OCTOBER 20TH. THAT IS THE DATE WHERE THE INTEREST RATES ARE LOCKED IN. THAT IS THE DATE WHERE THE SAVINGS ARE LOCKED IN. AND THAT IS THE DATE WHERE WE WOULD FINE TUNE WHAT'S IN AND WHISK WHAT'S OUT AS LONG AS IT MEETS YOUR PARAMETERS. AND THEN QUESTION, YES, SIR. KEN, IS THERE A TIMEFRAME OTHER THAN OCTOBER, UM, OR OCTOBER 20TH TO LOCK IN A RATE, NOT THROUGH THIS FALL POOL, THEY HAVE A VERY, UM, EXACT TIMETABLE. SO ANYBODY THAT WANTS TO BE IN THE VPSA FALL POOL OF 2020, THAT'S THE DATE WE'RE SELLING. THEY ARE SELLING THE BONDS ON YOUR BEHALF. UM, THEY'LL DO THAT AGAIN. IN MAY OF 21, I MENTIONED EARLIER SOMETHING ABOUT THE STANDALONE VPS. A IF, IF THINGS MOVE WHERE IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE TO DO ANYTHING, OR MAYBE ONLY THE THIRTEENS IN THE FALL POOL, WHAT WE'VE ASKED THE VPSS BOARD TO APPROVE TOMORROW IS TWO THINGS. ONE ALLOW US TO PARTICIPATE IN YOUR FALL POOL IN OCTOBER. BUT IF WE DON'T ALLOW US TO CONSIDER DOING A STANDALONE VPN AT SOME OTHER DATE OF OUR CHOOSING BETWEEN NOW AND NEXT MAY, WHICH YOU MAY OR MAY NOT EXERCISE, BUT THEY ONLY MEET TWICE A YEAR. SO WE NEED, IF WE WANT THAT PLAN B OPTION, WE NEED THEM TO APPROVE THAT TOMORROW, WHICH THEY WILL. I HAVE NO REASON TO THINK THEY WON'T, BUT IF EVERYTHING STAYS WHERE IT IS, RATE WISE, WE WOULD EXPECT TO PUT THIS ALL TO BED IN OCTOBER. AND YOU NEVER NEED TO WORRY ABOUT THAT STAND ALONE PROGRAM, BUT THE STANDALONE APPROVAL IS THERE. IF OCTOBER DOESN'T WORK OR MAYBE WE DECIDE TO PULL THE FOURTEENS OUT, YOU ALWAYS WILL HAVE THE OPTION TO CONSIDER THE STANDALONE. IF IT MAKES SENSE AT THAT TIME. AND AGAIN, YOU WOULD DRIVE THE SCHEDULE ON THAT. IF IT WERE SOMETHING YOU WANTED TO DO, BUT NO, FOR THIS POOL, THAT'S THE DATE THEY'RE SELLING BONDS FOR EVERYBODY THAT HAS DECIDED THEY WANT TO PARTICIPATE. THANK YOU, TED. YES. SO IS THE OCTOBER 5TH DATE WHEN THE COUNTY NEEDS TO SAY EXACTLY WHICH ISSUE IS IN AND THE SIZING BACK HERE ON THAT, THAT OCTOBER 5TH DATE IS WHEN THEY NEED THE RESOLUTION AND THE RESOLUTION PROVIDES FOR FEW FURTHER DECISIONS BY THE, [01:50:01] WHAT THEY, WHAT THEY DEFINE AS THE DELEGATES, WHICH IS YOURSELF AND THE BOARD CHAIR. SO, NO, WE HAVE UP UNTIL OCTOBER 20TH, UM, TO SAY, LOOK, WE WANT TO PICK CERTAIN MATURITIES TO MAXIMIZE THIS. SO WE WILL KNOW PROBABLY WHAT THE RATE'S GOING TO BE BEFORE WE HAVE TO PACK. YES, WE, WE WILL BE ABLE VERY ACCURATELY LEADING UP TO THE 20TH, TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE ON WHERE THE SAVINGS ARE, REPLICATE THESE CHARTS TO SAY, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE SEEING. AND WE CAN MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION ABOUT THE FOURTEENS OR PARTS OF THE FOURTEENS IF THEY, IF THEY JUST AREN'T MAKING SENSE. SO THE RATE MAY MOVE SIGNIFICANTLY IN THE NEXT MONTH, BUT WE'RE GOING TO BE HAVE THE LAST COUPLE OF DAYS WHEN THE CHAIRMAN CAN SAY, WE'RE GOING TO TAKE THESE IN OR OUT AND DECIDE EXACTLY WHAT YOUR SAVINGS WILL BE. THAT'S RIGHT. AS LONG AS THOSE RESULTS ARE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE PARAMETERS THAT ARE IN THE RESOLUTION, WHICH, WHICH THEY WOULD, WE'VE WRITTEN THOSE BROADLY ENOUGH TO TRY TO MAKE, MAKE SOME ROOM, HAVE ROOM TO MAKE THESE DECISIONS. MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. DOOLEY QUESTION. YES. MA'AM. WHEN YOU SAY THE CHAIRMAN, YOU MEAN THE CHAIRMAN WITH THE CONSENT OF THE BOARD IS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE BOARD. IF THE BOARD WITH THE BREWER UNDER THE BED WITH THE RESOLUTION, YES. THEN THAT ALLOWS, UH, THE CHAIR WITH SOME INPUT FROM THE ADMINISTRATOR TO SAY, WHEN YOU LOOK BACK ON PAGE SEVEN, YOU LOOK AT THAT LIST TO BE ABLE TO SAY, WE WANT TO ISSUE ALL REISSUE, ALL OF THE 2014, OR WE WANT TO ISSUE SOME OF THE 2014 AND LIKE THIS CUT OFF OF 2034 AND TAKE 80% OF THE SAVINGS. IN REALITY, THE MARKET'S GOING TO BOUNCE REALM THIS NEXT MONTH, AS IT ALWAYS DOES, CONSIDERING WHERE IT IS, IT'S REASONABLE. IT'S NOT GOING TO GO A LOT LOWER, BUT THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE WHEN THESE COME OUT UP TAX TAXABLE IN BACK INTO TAX EXEMPT, THAT'LL MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN THE FUTURE, BUT IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT LONGTERM, THE RATES WILL INCREASE RATHER THAN GO DOWN A LOT FURTHER AND THEY WILL STABILIZE EARLY NEXT YEAR, WHATEVER THEY'RE GOING TO DO. COOL. I'VE GOT ONE MORE QUESTION IF I'M NOT. AND I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER. IF I DON'T PLEASE CORRECT ME, BUT WHAT IS, WHAT COSTS ARE WE GOING TO INCUR IF WE ADOPT THE RESOLUTION AND DECIDED TO WALK AWAY? SO, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GOING TO REDO RENEW THE BOND RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? SO, SO PART OF THE RESOLUTION ESTABLISHES A MINIMUM ACCEPTABLE LEVEL OF SAVINGS. AND WHAT'S CURRENTLY IN, THERE IS 3% AND IT ANTICIPATES THAT YOU DO BOTH THE THIRTEENS AND THE FOURTEENS AND ALL OF THE FOURTEENS THAT ARE ELIGIBLE. IF THAT CAN'T BE ACHIEVED ON OCTOBER 20TH, YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE AND YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COSTS. NOW, IF, IF THAT TIME COMES AND WE, WE COULD HAVE ACHIEVED 3% SAVINGS, BUT YOU SAID, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THEN YOU ARE, YOU'LL HAVE SOME COSTS THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU KNOW, IT'S REASONABLE COSTS FROM THE VPSA PROGRAM, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF BE YOUR PRO RATA SHARE OF WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE PAID. HAD YOU BEEN IN THE TRANSACTION. SO, SO IF YOU, IF WE CANNOT ACHIEVE THE PRESENT VALUE SAVINGS, THAT'S IN THE RESOLUTION ON OCTOBER 20TH, YOU DON'T NEED TO PROCEED AND YOU HAVE NO COSTS BECAUSE THE PARAMETER WASN'T MET. IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN ACHIEVE 4%, BUT YOU STILL SAY, I DON'T WANT TO DO IT. RIGHT. WE HIT THE, WE HIT THE PARAMETER AND THEN SOME, BUT YOU DON'T WANT TO DO IT. THEN YOU HAVE SOME EXPOSURE AND THE EXPOSURES HALF A MILLION DOLLARS. RIGHT? RIGHT. NO, I WOULD NOT BE, IT WOULD NOT BE BECAUSE YOU KNOW, WE'RE WORKING AT RISK. UM, THE MANY OF THOSE VPN COSTS ARE BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE TRANSACTION. YOU WOULD HAVE SOME EXPOSURE TO VPSA, BUT NOT, NOT AT THAT LEVEL, NOT ANYWHERE NEAR THAT LEVEL. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO I WANT TO, JUST TO, IS THIS WORKING, I JUST WANTED TO ADD A LITTLE BIT TO ED'S, UM, ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. UM, [01:55:01] UH, MRS. OATES, AND THAT IS THAT YEAH. THE, THE, THIS RESOLUTION DOES AUTHORIZE THE CHAIRMAN TO PICK AND CHOOSE WHICH ONE OF THESE THINGS OR MR. DALEY, UH, TO REFUND, BUT IT HAS A CAP BASICALLY, NEITHER OF YOUR DELEGATES, WHICH IS THE CHAIRMAN OR MR. DALEY CAN DO ANYTHING UNLESS IT RESULTS IN A TOTAL SAVINGS OF AT LEAST 3%. AND SO THAT TOTAL SAVINGS OF 3%, WHAT FIGURE WOULD THAT BE? APPROXIMATELY MR. COLE, LOOK, GO TO PAGE NINE. H I N J ARE THE SAVINGS AT A 3% PERCENTAGE LEVEL IN THE AGGREGATE. AND YOU'LL SEE, THAT ENDS UP BEING ABOUT 1.2 MILLION. SO LET ME JUST FINISH WITH THAT. THAT WAS JUST THE SIMPLE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE. IF, IF WALTER ED CAN'T SAVE THE COUNTY, AT LEAST 1.2 MILLION, THEN NONE OF THIS GOES, OTHERWISE IT'S A SITUATION WHERE, YEAH, IT'S NICE TO HAVE FULL BOARD INVOLVEMENT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE, BUT THIS IS GOING TO BE A KIND OF DAY BY DAY THING. IT'S GOING TO BE A LAST MINUTE THING. AND IT'S GOING TO INVOLVE, YOU KNOW, SOME HEAVY TECHNICAL CONVERSATIONS WITH, UH, MR. COLE AND, UM, SOME CALCULATIONS, ET CETERA. BUT AGAIN, THE BOARD'S CONTROL IS IT DOESN'T SAVE AT LEAST 1.2 MILLION. THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. SO WHO SET THE THRESHOLD OF 3%? WELL YOU DO, AND YOU CAN SET A DIFFERENT THRESHOLD. THEY'RE DIFFERENTLY. IT'S IN BRACKETS. YOU COULD SET UP, YOU COULD SAY, I MEAN, MR. COLE SAID THAT THREE TO 5% IS A, IS A REASONABLE, RATIONAL THING. YOU COULD CHOOSE 5% IF YOU WANT TO. AND IN THIS RESOLUTION IN SECTION FOUR, IT HAS 3%. YOU COULD DECIDE TO MAKE THAT 5% TODAY IF YOU WANTED TO OR ANY OTHER NUMBER, BUT THREE TO 5% IS THE, IS THE RECOMMENDED, UM, NUMBER FROM YOUR FINANCIAL ADVISOR. AND REMEMBER THAT DYNAMIC OF YOU ON THE FOURTEENS, YOU COULD DROP SOME MATURITIES THE LESS, UM, UH, THE, THE LESS LUCRATIVE REFUNDING MATURITIES, AND YOU CAN MOVE THAT PRESENT VALUE PERCENTAGE. IN OUR EXAMPLE, WE MOVED IT FROM FIVE AND A HALF TO ALMOST 9%, RIGHT. UM, W WHEN WE DROPPED THOSE EARLIER MATURITIES ON THE 14TH, BUT, BUT ABSOLUTELY YOU CAN ESTABLISH A DIFFERENT PERCENTAGE IN THAT RESOLUTION. IT WAS, IT WAS PUT IN THERE AT 3%, BUT ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE ITEMS WE NEEDED TO COVER. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO ONE OF YOU WAS ASKING ABOUT THE ESCROW ACCOUNT BEFORE. YES. AND I'M KIND OF SLOW, SO I NEED PICTURES. SO I HAVE PICTURES, COUNTY ISSUES, THE NEW BONDS THAT MONEY PAYS THE 2013, AND YOU PUT THAT OFF TO THE SIDE AND THAT'S DONE. AND THEN THE REST OF THE MONEY FOR 2014 GOES UP HERE INTO THIS LITTLE LESS GROW ACCOUNT. AND THE ESCROW ACCOUNT PAYS ALL THE EXISTING, OLD BONDS WHEN THEY COME DUE AND THE COUNTY PAYS THE NEW BONDS AT THE LOWER RATE. SO IT'S KIND OF A THREE WAY CIRCLE AROUND HERE OF WHERE THAT MONEY GOES. CAUSE YOU GOT TO FOLLOW THE MONEY. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS TO IT. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO ME? YEAH. THERE WAS A SECOND HANDOUT. IT'S NOT A PICTURE, BUT WHAT YOU WILL SEE ON THAT COVER PAGE IS THAT, IS THAT THOSE ARE THE CASH FLOWS THAT, THAT ESCROW HAS TO FUND. IT HAS TO PAY. IF WE DID ALL OF THESE BONDS, IT WOULD HAVE TO, WE'D HAVE TO DEPOSIT ENOUGH MONEY IN THAT ESCROW, FROM THE NEW BONDS TO MAKE THOSE INTEREST PAYMENTS OF $573,000 EVERY SIX MONTHS. AND THEN ON JULY 15TH OF 20, 24 IS WHERE WE PAY OFF THE PRINCIPLE OF 30.5 MILLION. AND THAT ESCROW WILL HAVE ENOUGH MONEY IN THERE FROM DAY ONE. IT LEARN A LITTLE BIT OF INTEREST BY BUYING US TREASURIES. THAT'S THE LAW. IT HAS TO BE US TREASURIES, AND IT WILL BE A LEGAL DEFEASANCE OF THE 2014 BONDS. AND AS A RESULT, YOU NO LONGER BUDGET FOR THAT. YOU BUDGET FOR WHAT WOULD BE THE NEW 2020 BONDS, WHICH WOULD HAVE A LOWER ALL IN DEBT SERVICE PAYMENT THAN WHAT YOU WOULD HAVE HAD HAD YOU NOT DONE THIS. SO [02:00:01] THERE WILL BE NO NEW INFLUX OF CASH INTO THE COUNTY TREASURER'S OFFICE. THAT'S NOT GOING TO SEE A BIG MONEY COMING BACK TO THE COUNTY. IT'S GOING TO GO DIRECTLY TO THE ESCROW OR TO THE OLD BALL OR TO PAY THE OTHER PAYMENTS THAT ARE LISTED HERE. WHAT YOU'LL RECOGNIZE IS FISCAL YEAR BY FISCAL YEAR, THE SAVINGS JUST LIKE YOU MIGHT MONTH BY MONTH WITH A LOWER MORTGAGE PAYMENT. OKAY. YEAH. COOL MONEY GOING INTO THE ESCROW ACCOUNT TO PAY ALL THE BONDS OVER TIME. THE FOURTEENS OF THE FOURTEENS, UM, SIMPLE QUESTION IN MY MIND, BUT THERE'S INTEREST THAT'S BEING PAID ON THOSE BONDS WHO GETS THAT INTEREST, THE PEOPLE THAT OWN THOSE BONDS TODAY. OKAY. SO WE DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THAT AT ALL. EVEN THOUGH WE'RE BORROWING THE MONEY TO PUT INTO THAT, NO, THEY ARE OWED, THEY BOUGHT THOSE BONDS IN 14. WE KNOW TO THE PENNY, WHAT THEY'RE OWED EVERY SIX MONTHS. AND THAT ESCROW IS JUST A PLACE WHERE MONEY IS HELD AND PAYS THEM OUT UNTIL WE CAN PULL THEM OUT AND CALL THEM OUT. SO YOU DON'T PARTICIPATE THAT YOU DON'T MAKE PAYMENTS. YOU DON'T RECEIVE PAYMENTS THAT IS HANDLED RIGHT DIRECTLY OUT OF THE ESCROW. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE TREASURY, THE TREASURY MARKET. YEAH. WE BUY THE TREASURIES ON THE DAY WE CLOSE AND THOSE ARE THEIR CUSTOMIZED TREASURIES IS A CRUDE NAME. THEY'RE CALLED SLUGS, STATE AND LOCAL GOVERNMENT SECURITIES. THEY'RE TREASURIES THAT YOU SUBSCRIBE. WE SUBSCRIBE TO US TREASURY FOR, AND THEY ARE CUSTOMIZED FOR THE WARREN COUNTY, 20, 20 ESCROW, BUT THEY ARE BONAFIDE US TREASURIES. SO THE INVESTMENT IS LOCKED IN ON DAY ONE AND IT WILL NEVER CHANGE. AND, YOU KNOW, YES, I SUPPOSE THE U S TREASURY COULD DEFAULT ON THOSE PAYMENTS AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S PROVISIONS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS THERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE EXPOSURE, OKAY. TAX EXEMPT RELATIONSHIP. I NEED TO UNDERSTAND THAT. SO THE TAX EXEMPT RELATIONSHIP OCCURS WHEN THE BOND MATURES COMPLETELY, IS THAT THE, THE WAY THAT WORKS. SO, AS I SAID EARLIER, NORMALLY LOCAL GOVERNMENTS BORROW ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS, RIGHT? AND SO IN ANY GIVEN DAY TAX EXEMPT RATES ARE LOWER THAN TAXABLE RATES, RIGHT? THEY DON'T ALWAYS MOVE IN LOCKSTEP WITH ONE ANOTHER. SOMETIMES THEY'RE CLOSER. AND SOMETIMES THEY'RE FURTHER. WHAT VPN DOES IS THEY ISSUE BOTH TAX EXEMPT AND TAXABLE BONDS. AND FOR Y'ALL THE PORTION OF THE BONDS THAT YOU WOULD SELL FOR THE 13 PAY OFFICE TAX EXEMPT, BUT FOR THE 14 PAYOFF BECAUSE OF CURRENT TAX LAW, THIS WAS CHANGED IN 2017. I BELIEVE YOU CA YOU HAVE TO BORROW MONEY TODAY ON A TAXABLE BASIS TO PAY OFF THE FOURTEENS. OKAY. IF YOU COULD BORROW TODAY ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS FOR THAT PURPOSE, THE SAVINGS WOULD BE EVEN GREATER. AND ACTUALLY WE RAN THAT, BUT IT'S HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T, IT'S NOT PERMISSIBLE, RIGHT? SO NOW THEY COULD CHANGE THAT LAW NEXT YEAR, YEAR AFTER WE DON'T KNOW IT, IT IT'S SPECULATION ABOUT WINNING IF THAT COULD CHANGE. BUT SO, SO YOU ARE BECAUSE OF CURRENT TAX LAW ON THE FOURTEENS, YOU HAVE TO SELL TAXABLE BONDS TO DO THIS. IF UNDER CURRENT LAW, NOT UNTIL 20, 24, COULD YOU DO THAT ON A TAX EXEMPT BASIS? AND IF RATES STAYED EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE TODAY IN 2024, GOOD DEAL, IT WOULD BE A GREAT DEAL. YOU WOULD BE, YOU'D BE TRIPLING THE SAME, GIVE OR TAKE. YEP. I GET IT. THANK YOU. RIGHT. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, BUT WHO KNOWS WHAT HAPPENS RIGHT, RIGHT. BETWEEN NOW AND THEN WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS ON THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. MR. HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? NO, SIR. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THIS ISSUE? IT'S REALLY SIMPLE. IF THERE'S NO ONE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, THIS IS THE FINAL CALL. PUBLIC CARRY IS NOT CLOSED. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? [02:05:11] WELL, MR. DALEY, I WOULD THINK THAT YOUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT WE MOVE ON THIS. YES. MA'AM. I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT YOU APPROVE THIS. WE'LL MOVE THIS FORWARD AND WE'LL SEE IN OCTOBER WHAT OUR SAVINGS ARE GOING TO BE. OKAY. WELL, LET THE CHAIRMAN, THEN AT THAT POINT, BE ABLE TO PULL OUT AS NECESSARY. MR. DALEY, DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE, THE THRESHOLD OF 3% IS SUFFICIENT OR SHOULD WE MAKE IT FOUR? AND, BUT DO SO, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ON THAT? IN YOUR EXPERIENCE? THREE IS COMMON. OKAY. I LIKE FIVE MEAT. YEAH. JUST BECAUSE THAT'S THE WAY I AM. I LIKE THAT. I HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO DO THESE BONDS. AND, UH, I LIKE, I LIKE LOOKING AT RIGHT. IF I WAS DOING IT RECOMMENDING TO YOU TONIGHT AND YOU WERE ISSUING TOMORROW, I WOULD BE CUTTING THE 2014 BACK TO 2034, JUST BECAUSE I WAY I LIKE IT. THAT'S WHERE THE BIG SAVE. YOU GET 80% OF YOUR SAVINGS. AND IF CONGRESS DOES CHANGE SOMETHING NEXT YEAR, WHICH MAKES THE REST OF THEM TAX EXEMPT, YOU CAN GO BACK. OR IF THE RATES SHOULD MOVE, I DON'T THINK IT'LL MOVE A LOT LOWER. I REALLY DON'T THINK GOOD. BUT IF IT GOES UP, YOU'RE ALREADY COVERED. RIGHT. SO WE'D BE LOOKING TOWARDS THAT 5%, EVEN IF THAT DOES ALLOW DOWN TO THREE, BUT WE WOULD CONSULT WITH, IF WE'RE DOWN WHERE IT LOOKS AT 3%, I'M KIND OF A LITTLE SHAKY THERE. THAT 1.2 DOESN'T LOOK GOOD TO ME. I'D PROBABLY WANT TO BE TAKEN THOSE, UH, UH, OTHER 10 YEARS OUT AGAIN AND STILL BE LOOKING AT 2034 IN THERE. AND THAT WOULD MOVE IT BACK UP TOWARDS THE FOUR TO 5% IN THAT, THAT RANGE IS WHAT IF I TOOK, IF WE WERE LOOKING AT THAT 1.1 0.2 MILLION, AND THAT WAS THE SAVINGS AT 3%. AND WE TOOK THOSE 14 YEARS FROM 2020 UP TO 2034 OFF, THEN THAT'S GOING TO MOVE THAT SAVINGS BACK UP SOMEWHERE BETWEEN FOUR AND 5%. NOTICE THE WAY THE RIGHT NOW IT GOES FROM FIVE TO 9%, IF YOU TAKE THOSE YEARS OUT. SO IT WOULD DO THE SIMILAR MOVE. ALL RIGHT. WELL, I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE ATTACHED RESOLUTION, AUTHORIZING THE ISSUANCE OF A GENERAL OBLIGATION SCHOOL BOND OF THE COUNTY OF WARREN, VIRGINIA, TO BE SOLD TO THE VIRGINIA PUBLIC SCHOOL AUTHORITY AND PROVIDING FOR THE FORM AND DETAILS THEREOF. DO WE HAVE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AT ALL? MR. SHIRAKI COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MISS OATS, MR. CHAIRMAN, MISS COLORS, MR. FOX. THANK YOU. THANK YOU, SIR. APPRECIATE IT. [K3. Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Section 82-4 of the Warren County Code to have South River Estates Sanitary District be Authorized to Apply a Construction Road Use Fee – Ed Daley] NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REAR ORDAIN SECTION 82 DASH FOUR OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO HAVE SOUTH RIVERS, STATE SENATOR DISTRICT BE AUTHORIZED TO APPLY THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD USE FEE, MR. DALEY. YES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, THIS IS A REQUEST FROM THE DISTRICT REQUESTING THAT WE ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THIS FEE AND YOU HAVE THE PETITION FROM THE DISTRICT REQUESTING THIS, AND IT WOULD BE A $1,500 FEE. AND THE WAY THAT I READ IT, IT'S MORE OF AN IMPACT FEE, NEW CONSTRUCTION, NEW CONSTRUCTION. IS THAT ENOUGH? WELL, THAT'S WHAT THEY ASKED FOR. THEN WE WOULD BE INCLINED TO GO AT THAT RATE FOR THE TIME BEING, AND IF THEY WANTED TO COME BACK AND THE MORE AND WANTED ADDITIONAL FUNDING, THEY COULD DO THAT, THEY COULD ASK THE BOARD TO RAISE IT. YOU WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE THE FEE UP TO $5,000 IS WHAT THE FEES ARE HERE. THANK YOU. DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DANA? YES, I DO. UM, AND SO THERE ARE 40 LOTS, 27 BUILT AND 13 VACANT IN THIS SUBDIVISION. IS THERE SOME DIFFERENCE? I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS IT ONLY THE [02:10:01] LOTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE BUILT OR IS IT JUST THE BAIT OR IT INCLUDE VACANT? HOW DOES IT, I THINK I'M ASKING MR. BEAR BELL. I BELIEVE IT'S ALL LOTS. IT WOULD APPLY TO EVERY LOT IN THE DISTRICT. BUILT A NEW HALL. YES, PLEASE. THANK YOU, MR. BARRY, THANK YOU. TYPICALLY APPLIES TO A, A NEW HOME THAT'S BUILT. UM, I MEAN THE ONLY EXCEPTION WOULD BE LIKE IF A HOUSE WAS BURNT TO THE GROUND, UM, IT IT'S BASICALLY THE HANDLE. YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU, WHEN YOU BUILD A HOME, USUALLY HAVE A LOT OF BIG VEHICLES COMING IN ACROSS YOUR ROADS AND TEARING UP, UM, UH, YOU HAVE DOZERS AND SUCH HEAVY EQUIPMENT COMING IN. SO BEFORE YOU GET YOUR BUILDING PERMIT, YOU'LL, YOU'LL PAY THAT ROAD IMPACT FEE. AND THAT GOES TO YOUR SANITARY DISTRICT AND TO THEIR BUDGET. SO POTENTIALLY THERE'S ONLY 13 LOCKS THAT ARE GOING TO BE AFFECTED BY THIS. IF, IF THAT'S THE, THE VACANT LOTS, THAT'S HOW THAT WOULD BE AFFECTED. LIKE I SAID, UNLESS THERE WAS A SITUATION WHERE A HOUSE WAS TORN DOWN OR REBUILT FOR SOME REASON. OKAY. AND THAT'S 27 OTHER PEOPLE WHO LIVED THERE DIDN'T GET BUILT THIS SAME FEE FOR THE SAME ROADS THEY USE. THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S CORRECT. FIGURE OUT THE EQUITABILITY OF THIS. YEAH. YEAH. I MEAN YOUR OTHER DISTRICTS. WELL, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE, IT MIGHT NOT HAVE BEEN A SANITARY DISTRICT AT THE TIME. UM, THERE MIGHT'VE BEEN, UM, ROADS THAT WERE PAVED OR, I MEAN, THIS ONE DOESN'T HAVE ANY AT THIS POINT, BUT, UM, YOU HAVE, UH, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF TIMES, YOU KNOW, YOUR ORIGINAL DEVELOPER MIGHT'VE PUT ROAD PIPE IN THOSE ROAD, PIPE MIGHT BE 20 YEARS OLD. UM, SO THERE'S ALWAYS IMPACT, ESPECIALLY IF YOU START BRINGING HEAVY EQUIPMENT IN I'M ON A ROAD. YES, SIR. WHEN IS THIS IMPACT FEE PAID IS WHEN THE, WHEN THE GUY COMES IN TO PULL HIS PERMIT, THE CONTRACTOR, BEFORE THEY CAN GET THEIR BUILDING PERMITS, THEY'LL HAVE TO PAY THE FEE. THEY'RE NOT BUILDING ON, DAVE'S NOT PAYING, THEY'RE NOT PAYING THE FEE UNTIL SOMEBODY IS GOING TO DO CONSTRUCTION THERE. YES, SIR. UNDER CONSTRUCTION. OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE? ANY OTHER, SO THE WAY I WAS, WHAT I SAID, THERE WAS INCORRECT. IT IS JUST THE LOTS, THE NEW LOTS. WHEN THEY ARE BUILT. I HAD SAID THAT WRONG. THERE ARE NO OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THAT FOR THE STAFF. UM, THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. MRS. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN. HAROLD. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, SORRY, HAROLD SHREWSBURY. MY NAME IS CAROL FRANKLIN SHREWSBURY. I LEFT AT ONE TO THREE, FOUR MARTIN ROAD, FRONT LAWN, VIRGINIA. AND I'M PROUD TO BE A RESIDENT OF WARREN COUNTY. THANK YOU. I'M ALSO THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE HOMEOWNER'S ASSOCIATION. SO SOUTH RIVER STATE AND THE LAST THREE YEARS, WE'VE HAD THREE NEW HOMES TO GO UP. MINE INCLUDED. THERE'S BEEN SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE DONE TO OUR ROAD. IN MY CASE, SINCE I HAD SOME CONSTRUCTION EQUIPMENT, I DID AS MUCH REPAIR ON MY OWN FOR THE DAMAGE DONE BY THE HEAVY TRUCKS FOR THE OTHERS, TRYING TO REPLACE IT. AND YOU COVER THERE'S A COST TO THE HOMEOWNER WHO CALLS THE CULVERT RESPONSIBLE FOR THE HOMEOWNER, NOT THEIR ASSOCIATION, BUT TO PREPARE THEIR COVER BECOMES A COST TO THE ASSOCIATES BOARD MET A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO, AND WE TALKED TO THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATOR PRIOR TO MR DALEY, WHO OFFERED TO INTRODUCE THIS TO THE BOARD. WE TALK A RANDOM SAMPLE OF WHAT A COMMON FEE WOULD BE. AND WE FELT 5,000 WAS A LITTLE OVERBEARING AND ALSO $1,500 SEEMS TO BE SOME OF THE NORM. IN SOME OF THE OTHER DAY, WE NEED THIS MONEY BECAUSE OUR BUDGET IS LOW. NOT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE LIVE OUT THERE AND WE'RE ABLE TO MAINTAIN OUR ROAD. BUT WHEN WE HAVE SUBSTANTIAL DAMAGE, THAT TAKES A BIG CHUNK OUT OF OUR BUDGET. AND WE NEED THIS TO OFFSET THE COST OF THE MAJOR DAMAGE REPAIR. LIKE I SAID, [02:15:01] I BUILT MY HOUSE A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO. I WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN, I WAS THE CONSTRUCTION MANAGER TOO. I WOULD HAVE NOT HAVE BEEN UPSET TO HAVE TO PAY A FEE TO MAINTAIN THE ROAD. THERE'S ONE THING THAT WE'D LIKE ASHLEY TO DO. I KNOW YOU'VE LOOKED AT THE NUMBER OF LOTS OF NUMBER OF VACANT LOTS, BUT WE HAVE PROPERTIES THAT HAVE BEEN UP TO US. AND ON ONE OCCASION THEY USED OUR ROAD BECAUSE WE HAVE NO WAY TO OBSESS ANY FEE TO ANYBODY THAT A BUS AFTER OUR PROPERTY. AND THEY'D DONE A LOT OF DAMAGE, SAYS THE POINT. I TOOK MY EQUIPMENT AND I PLACED TWO BIG ROCKS ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ROAD. SO THERE WOULDN'T RUN OVER THE INNER BALL CULVERTS THAT WE HAVE TO REPLACE. SO WE'LL ASK YOU WHEN YOU ISSUE A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT, IF THEY'RE GOING TO USE ZORN ROAD OR MARTIN ROAD AS ACCESS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION THAT THEY ALSO PAY THE FEE, OTHERWISE, HOW CAN WE CONTROL IT IF YOU'RE NOT A MEMBER OF SOUTH RIVER STATES AND YOU DECIDE TO BUILD A HOME ON A LOT AT THE BUS UP TO OUR ASSOCIATION, YOU'RE NOT PART OF THE ASSOCIATION. SO HOW ARE YOU GOING TO PAY THE FEE? WE'D ASK YOU TO MANAGE THAT FROM THE COUNTY, THAT THEY, HOW THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE ACCESS TO BUILD THAT NEW HOME. AND THERE ARE SEVERAL LOTS AROUND IN OUR ASSOCIATION AND SOME OF THEM MONITORING DEVELOPMENT AND OUR CONCERN IS COME DOWN AND GET A PERMIT. IF YOU'RE NOT PART OF SOUTH RIVER ESTATE, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET ACCESS TO FEE. WE ASKED FOR AN EXEMPTION THAT IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE OUR ROAD, THEY ALSO PAY THE FEE AND WOULD APPRECIATE YOU LISTEN TO US TONIGHT. AND, UH, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ANY QUESTIONS? WHAT'S THE NAME OF THE TWO ROADS THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT? IT'S A DORN ROAD RIGHT OFF A LEE BURKE ROAD, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT MARTIN ROAD. OKAY. THOSE TWO, THOSE TWO ARE THE MAIN, THOSE TWO ARE THE THOROUGHFARES THAT WOULD RUN THROUGH YOUR PROPERTY OR RUN THROUGH SCOTT. SORRY. LASTLY, ON THE TWO ROADS WE HAVE. OKAY. THAT'S JUST POINT SOUTH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. EXCUSE ME. UNLESS THERE'S ANYBODY ELSE, THAT'S GOT ANYTHING QUESTIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. DALEY, CAN WE DICTATE ANY, UH, ANYTHING ON DORN ROAD OR MARTIN ROAD? THEY'RE IN THE, THEY'RE IN THE SUBDIVISION, THEY'RE IN THE SANITARY DISTRICT RIGHT THERE. HOW ABOUT, HOW ABOUT OTHER COMPANIES TRYING RUNNING OVER THEIR PROPERTY THERE AND DAMAGING? I MEAN, CAN WE DICTATE ANYTHING ALONG THAT LINE FOR SOMEBODY WHO DOESN'T OWN A LOT? SO SOMEBODY THAT DOESN'T OWN A LOT BETTER, THEY'RE BUILDING A, IN THE, IN ANOTHER SUBDIVISION AND RUN IT THROUGH THEIR PROPERTY. THAT'S A QUESTION WE'LL ASK, UM, MR. HAM IN A MINUTE, BUT, UH, IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP AT THE END, THEY'RE ALL, THERE'S NO PLACE FOR THEM TO GO IN THERE, SIR, UNLESS THEY'RE GOING TO DRIVE UP AROUND IN THE WOODS. THE QUESTION WAS THESE TWO ROOMS ARE IN THE SUBDIVISION OR THE SANITARY DISTRICT. AND IF SOMEBODY IS DRIVING THROUGH THERE AND DAMAGES THE ROAD, BUT THEY'RE NOT PROPERTY, CAN THEY BE CHARGED? I DON'T THINK UNDER THIS, SAY THAT AGAIN, MR. HAN, IT SAYS WITHIN THE BOUNDARY LINES, SOUTH RIVER STATE SANITARY DISTRICT. SO I DON'T THINK SO. I THINK THAT, YEAH, THE QUESTION IS IF YOU DRIVE THROUGH, IF I DRIVE THROUGH, I'M NOT A RESIDENT. YEAH. BUT IF I'M NOT SUBJECT THIS FATE, MR. BARRY, YOU HAVE SOME COMMENT. I AGREE WITH MR. HAM. UM, AND, UH, I, I UNDERSTAND, UM, UM, WHAT MR. SHREWSBURY IS TRYING TO GET TO, BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THIS WILL HELP, UM, THIS PROPERTY IS THERE ARE SEVERAL PROPERTIES THAT CAN, CAN USE THESE ROADS TO ACCESS, BUT THE SANITARY DISTRICT BOUNDARY IS INCLUSIVE OF CERTAIN PROPERTIES. AND, AND WITH THIS AMENDMENT W YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO ASSESS, [02:20:01] UM, THAT FEE ON THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE OUTSIDE OF THE SANITARY DISTRICT. OKAY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF I HAS NOT BEEN DONE THAT I KNOW OF AND THE COUNTY, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY PLACE THAT HAS BEEN DONE THAT WAY, BUT, UM, WE DO GET QUESTIONS AND, AND, UM, IN REGARDS TO PROPERTIES THAT ARE NOT WITHIN A SANITARY DISTRICT. SO THAT'S WHY WHEN WE, WE DO LOOK AT A CEMETERY DISTRICT, WE TRY TO LOOK AT ALL THE PROPERTIES THAT COULD POTENTIALLY USE THOSE ROADS FOR ACCESS. UM, CAUSE IT MIGHT INCLUDE, UM, WALCOTT DRIVE. FOR INSTANCE, IT WAS A COUPLE DIFFERENT SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE LANDS OF THE BLUE RIDGE AND ASPEN HILLS TOO. AND THERE WERE A COUPLE SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE INCLUDED IN WALCOTT DRIVE SANITARY DISTRICT. SO YOU LOOK AT THE ROAD SYSTEM THAT IS USED WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE CREATING THOSE BOUNDARIES. I'D HAVE TO DEFER TO MR. HAM IF THERE'S ANOTHER ROUTE TO GO. UM, BUT YEAH, THIS WOULDN'T TAKE CARE OF THAT PROBLEM. NOT ANOTHER GOOD SOLUTION. I MEAN, YEAH. AGAIN, USING THE ANALOGY OF, I BUY SOME, I DECIDE I WANT TO DRIVE A BULLDOZER THROUGH HERE AND WRECK THE ROAD. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO IT WAS, THEN YOU CAN SUE, BUT IT'S PROBABLY NOT VERY PRACTICAL SOLUTION. IT INVOLVES LEGAL EXPENSE AND KNOWING EXACTLY WHO DID WHAT, WHEN YEAH, I THINK THERE WOULD BE LEGAL RAMIFICATIONS, BUT YOU COULDN'T MAKE THOSE PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT VANETTE SANITARY DISTRICT PAY THIS FEE. UM, FOR THE L THERE COULD BE A LOTS AND THERE ARE LOTS THAT COULD, COULD ACCESS THE ROADS AND GET TO THEIR PROPERTY. BUT IF THEY'RE NOT WITHIN THAT SANITARY DISTRICT BOUNDARY, WE COULDN'T IMPOSE THIS FEE UPON THEM BEFORE THEY GOT THE PERMIT TO BUILD. OKAY. I STILL THINK THIS IS A GOOD THING FOR THE ROAD SYSTEM, OUR, AND FOR THE SANITARY DISTRICT, BUT IT MIGHT NOT RESOLVE ALL THE ISSUES AND CONCERNS. HE HAS CHAIRMAN BASICALLY SUBDIVISION. YES, SIR. THE TWO ROADS THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT YOUR DADDY AND BASICALLY DEAD END ROAD. SO THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY NEED FOR, THROUGH TRAFFIC. WELL, I MEAN, IT LOOKS LIKE TO ME, THEY GO FROM MARTIN ROAD AND, UH, DORON HILLS HAVE, HAVE AN OFF SHOOT THAT'LL DROP ON LEE, LEE BURKE. I MEAN, I CAN SEE WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS SAYING. IF THERE'S A, UH, YOU KNOW, A BIG TRUCK THAT'S GOING TO COME THROUGH OR A BULLDOZER IT, THEN YEAH. I CAN SEE WHERE THERE IS POTENTIAL FOR PROBLEM. BUT WHETHER WE CAN DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT IN OUR MEETING RIGHT HERE, I JUST DON'T THINK THAT WE CAN, BUT THERE THERE'S GOTTA BE AT LEAST SOME CONSIDERATION SOMEWHERE DOWN THE ROAD AS TO HOW WE CAN FIX IT. IF WE CAN FIX IT. YES, SIR. PLEASE. NOBODY OUT HERE, THERE'S A SUBDIVISION COMES UP HERE LIKE CRAP. THEY CAN BUILD IT. SO IT DOESN'T GO ANYWHERE. YOU CAN GO ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THERE'S A BIG, RIGHT. OKAY. FIRST OF ALL, I APPRECIATE MR. HAM. WE DON'T HAVE THE FEES TO BE ABLE TO PAY FOR ALL THE LAWSUITS THAT BE INVOLVED, BUT HERE'S OUR PROBLEM. IF YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP AT THE END, THE MARTIN ROAD, THERE'S A NEW HOME THERE. THE HOME IS NOT PART OF SOUTH RIVER STATES, BUT THEY USED DORN ROAD AND MARTIN ROAD TO BRING ALL THE EQUIPMENT IN THERE TO BUILD THAT HOME ALONG LEE BURKE, THERE'S A NURSING HOME AND THERE'S 43 ACRES THERE THAT HAS A SIGN THAT THIS IS UNDER CONSIDERATION FOR DEVELOPMENT OF SOME SORT THERE'S ALREADY A GATE BEEN PLACED ON MARTIN ROAD TO ACCESS THAT PROPERTY. OUR CONCERNS ARE THERE'S SUBSTANTIAL DEVELOPMENT ON THAT 43 ACRES. IT'S NOT MORE OKAY. AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE EARS IN DORN ROAD AND MARTIN ROAD TO BRING YOUR HEAVY EQUIPMENT UP THERE, TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION. APPRECIATE ALL THE NEW DEVELOPMENT, APPRECIATE CONCERNS OF THE COMMUNITY, BUT ALSO WE NEED TO ADDRESS HOW WE CAN DO REMEDIATE. [02:25:01] THE DAMAGE IS DONE TO OUR ROAD. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE ASKING. NONE OF US WANT TO SEE OUR FEES INCREASED OFFSET COST OR LEVY AND ASSESSMENT ON THE PROPERTY OWNERS TO PAY FOR DAMAGE THAT WAS NOT DONE BY RESIDENTS OF OUR ASSOCIATION AND SAID THE LEMME HERE, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, WE DON'T HAVE THE MAINS TO POLICE IT. WE DON'T WANT TO PUT A GATE UP THERE AND PUT LOCKS ON IT. THAT HOW YOU GOING TO CONTROL THAT THE KEYS THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A LOT OF FRUSTRATION IN THE COMMUNITY. ALL WE'RE ASKING IS IF YOU ISSUE A PERMIT TO BUILD A NEW HOME, HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET YOUR EQUIPMENT TO? AND FROM THAT PROPERTY, IF YOU'RE GOING TO USE MARTIN ROAD AND OR DAWN ROAD DON'T ROAD, SOME MAIN INGRESS INTO THAT SOUTH RIVER STATE THAT YOU PAY THE $1,500. SO IF WE HAD DAMAGE, WE'VE GOT SOME MONEY TO DO. THAT'S ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MR. BAKER, MIKE LEFT. HE DIDN'T HE MR. DALEY LEFT. AND I HAVE A QUESTION AND MAYBE YOU CAN HELP MR. THERE, THERE IS ANOTHER PERSON SIGNED UP FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING. I'M SORRY, IF YOU WANTED TO SAY THAT AGAIN, EVERYBODY'S GONE. SO I THINK WE HAVE AN ANSWER. OKAY. I HAVE AN ANSWER. WELL, NUMBER ONE, I'M A QUESTION OF THE DEVELOPMENT. THAT'S POSSIBLE 42. WHEN THAT COMES IN, WE NEED TO MAKE THE PROVISION THAT ONE OF THE THINGS FOR THAT PLAT AND THAT APPROVAL IS THAT THEY TAKE ALL CONSTRUCTION FROM LEE BURKE, THAT THEY NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO UP THROUGH THE SANITARY DISTRICT AND COME BACK AROUND ROBIN HOOD'S BARN. THEY GOTTA STAY DOWN, GO THROUGH THEIR OWN, THEIR OWN AREA TOO. THAT'S HOW I WOULD ADDRESS THAT ISSUE OF THE NEW D NEW DEVELOPMENT UP THERE. BECAUSE LEE, YOU HAVE TO GO DOWN LEE BURKE TO GET UP INTO THE SANITARY DISTRICT. AND THERE'S NO REASON TO BRING CONSTRUCTION DOWN LEE BURKE. AND THEN UP AND AROUND THROUGH THE MARTIN TO GO DOWN ON THE BACKSIDE OF WHERE THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT DEVELOPING, TELL THEM THEY'VE GOT TO DEVELOP FROM LEE BURKE. AND THAT IS WHEN THEY COME IN WITH THEIR APPROVALS REQUESTS. OKAY. NOW, HOW DO WE DICTATE THAT FROM THEY'RE GOING TO HAVE YOU, YOU MAKE A NOTE OF THAT AND IT GOES IN, BRING THE PROPOSAL IN THAT IS WHAT YOU TELL THEM. YEAH. IT GOES ON THEIR PLAN OR WE'LL TRY. OKAY. I CAN, I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT CONDITION. WE CAN SOLVE IT WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THIS TODAY. WE CAN, WE CAN SOLVE IT BY ADDING TO THE BLACK PART. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. YES. DOES THAT HELP TO SOLVE YOUR PROBLEMS? THANK YOU VERY MUCH. AND KIND OF SILENT. LUCKILY HE'S RETIRED NOW AND I SPEND ALL MY TIME CALL MR. BARRY. I'LL GIVE YOU HIS NUMBER. YEAH. OKAY. ANOTHER QUESTION. MA'AM DO WE HAVE SOME, UM, YOU DO HAVE ADDITIONAL FOLKS. OH YES. AND I APOLOGIZE IF I MISPRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME OF FAD MASSACHI BUT MS. MS. MESSAGING, I'M SORRY. I'LL BE SHORT. MY NAME IS . I LIVE ON EIGHT FIVE, THREE DORN ROAD AND SOUTH RIVER STATE. UH, HAROLD'S REALLY ALREADY COVERED EVERYTHING. I JUST WANT TO REITERATE THAT THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR SMALL COMMUNITY, UH, BECAUSE, UH, UH, HAROLD DOES, UH, A LOT OF THE WORK HIMSELF KEEPING UP SOME OF THE ROAD MAINTENANCE AND PLUS WE HAVE SOMEONE ELSE WHO HELPS OUT, BUT HAROLD HELPS HIM OUT. UH, SO ONLY I WANT TO SAY IS THIS IS IMPORTANT FOR OUR SMALL COMMUNITY. HE'S ALREADY COVERED THE OUTSIDE ENCROACHMENT. AND WITH THAT, I JUST WANT TO ADD FOR THE NEW BUSINESSES ITEMS THREE AND FOUR, THAT, UH, THOSE ARTHUR BURK LANE AND SUNRISE LANE, THOSE ACCESS ROADS, PLEASE Y'ALL PLAN CAREFULLY AND MAKE SURE THAT THOSE DON'T CONNECT TO DORN OR MARTIN ROAD ARE ENCROACHED UPON THEM. [02:30:01] AND THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO MRS SHIRAKI? NO, SIR. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK FINAL CALL? THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED. WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD CHAIRMAN? I MOVE THAT THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS ADOPT THE ORDINANCE TO A MAN AND REORDER DANE SECTION EIGHT, TWO DASH FOUR OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO HAVE SOUTH RIVER ESTATE SANITARY DISTRICT BE AUTHORIZED TO APPLY THE CONSTRUCTION ROAD. USE FEE SUCH FATE TO BE $1,500 PER LIGHT. IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION, MR. SHIRAKI COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. FOX. HI, MS. COLORS. AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN, MISS OATS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. [K4. Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Section 177-3 of the Warren County Code re: Recreational Shooting of Firearms in Clear Back Subdivision – Ed Daley] NEXT ON THE AGENDA FOR THE PUBLIC HEARING IS THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND REORDERING SECTION ONE 77 DASH THREE OF THE WARREN COUNTY RECREATION FOR RECREATIONAL SHOOTING OF FIREARMS AND CLEAR BACK SUBDIVISION. MR. DALEY. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, YOU HAVE RECEIVED A PETITION REQUESTING THAT, UM, CLEAR BACK SUBDIVISION, BE ADDED TO THE LIST OF DESIGNATED LOCATIONS WHERE SHOOTING FIREARMS IS PROHIBITED. IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. DALEY? NO QUESTIONS. THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN. UM, MRS. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE SIGNED UP? YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, BRIAN DININO. CAN WE GET YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS WHEN YOU GET TO THE PODIUM, PLEASE? UH, MY NAME IS BRIAN DENINO. I LIVE AT THREE 44 THREE ROCKLIN ROAD. I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT HERE AFTER THE DECEMBER MEETING, I'M SURE THE BOARD KNOWS WHERE THE CONNIE STANDS ON THIS ISSUE. I WOULD LIKE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID IN THIS ROOM AND IN THE PAPERS CONCERNING THE SHOOTING IN ROCKLAND ROAD, I'VE BEEN SHOOTING ALL MY LIFE AND I'VE TRAINED QUITE A FEW SHOOTERS. FIRST THING I TREAT THEM ON IS SAFETY. THERE HAVE BEEN, THERE WAS NO HOUSES BEHIND ME. I HAVE A BACKSTOP BUILT OUT OF TWO LAYERS OF, UH, RAILROAD TIES WITH DIRT IN BETWEEN THEM. AND, UH, I CHANGED THOSE TIES REGULARLY WHEN THEY SHOW DAMAGE, NO ONE WHO'S EVER SHOT WITH ME CAN CLAIM THAT THEY'VE SEEN RECKLESS OR DANGEROUS FAMILY FIREARMS. I HAVE SOME YOUNG LADIES WITH ME, BUT THEY DIDN'T COME UP. UH, THEY COULD ATTEST TO THAT. I'VE TRAINED THEM RECENTLY TO SAY THAT WE SHOOT DAILY IS AN OUTLANDISH AT BEST. UH, TO SAY THAT WE SHOOT WEEKLY WOULD BE A STRETCH IN THE LAST MID, SINCE MID JULY. I'VE SHOT ONCE ON MY PROPERTY, I WILL ADMIT TO SHOOTING FOR A FEW HOURS AT A TIME, BUT IT'S NOT CONSTANT. UH, WE'RE TARGET SHOOTERS. WE'RE NOT BLASTERS. AND THE CARRIERS, THE CLAIM FROM THE GOLF COURSE THAT, UH, THEY CAME OVER TO TALK TO ME ABOUT A WEDDING AND I REFUSED TO STOP SHOOTING. THAT'S A FLAT OUT LIE. NO ONE HAS EVER COME OVER AND TALKED TO ME IF THEY WOULD HAVE THAT A FONDLY ACCOMMODATING ON A STOPPED. I MEAN, IT'S A REASONABLE REQUEST AND I'M NOT AN UNREASONABLE GUY. EH, FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO TOUCH ON THE REAL RECKLESS AND DANGEROUS SITUATION HERE. THE FALSE ACCUSATIONS OF AUTOMATIC WEAPONS FIRE. AND SHE CAN GO TO THE BIG CONTROLLED BY THE 1934 NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT. AND IN 1968 GUN CONTROL ACT, THE ATF HAS A RECORD OF ALL LEGALLY OWNED MACHINE GUNS IN THE, IN THE UNITED STATES. AND THE COUNTY SHERIFF HAS, IT HAS TO SIGN OFF ON AN INSURANCE VERSION. THE CONNIE, SINCE THIS IS EASY TO FIND OUT AND I DON'T HAVE ANY NFA WEAPONS. WHAT THEY'VE ACCUSED ME OF IS ILLEGAL POSSESSION OF A MACHINE GUN. AND THAT, THAT LEADS TO A 3:00 AM, NO KNOCK RAID AT MY HOUSE BY THE ATF. AND, [02:35:01] UH, YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN LIVING IN FEAR OF THAT. EVER SINCE I HEARD THESE ACCUSATIONS, THE, UH, THE ATF ABUSES ARE WELL KNOWN IN THE GUN COMMUNITY AND THEY DON'T, THEY'RE NOT FORGOTTEN. AND I CAN ONLY HOPE THAT THE THREAT OF DEATH TO ME AND MY FAMILY, UH, WAS DONE THROUGH IGNORANCE AND NOT MALICE. AND IF YOU THINK I'M EXAGGERATING, I CAN GIVE YOU A LIST OF THE ATF ABUSES THAT HAPPEN. UH, BRIANA TAYLOR IS A FINE EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAPPENS AT A NO KNOCK RATE AND HOW THAT ENDS. AND THEN FINALLY, I'D LIKE TO ADD THAT THE POP POP POP THAT MR. ELLER WAS SO ANNOYED ABOUT THAT. MY FRIENDS IS THE SOUND OF FREEDOM. THANK YOU, MR. SHIRAKI. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. JAMES DININO MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I AM JAMES NINO. I ALSO RESIDE AT THREE, FOUR, FOUR, THREE ROCKLAND ROAD, FRONT LITTLE VIRGINIA. I'M A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF THE AREA. I LIVE UP AGAINST FARMLAND AS A DO A MAJORITY OF OTHER RESIDENTS IN THE AREA. A SUBDIVISION IS RATHER MISLEADING. TERM IS NOT SET UP AS YOU'RE COULDN'T HAVE CENTRAL SUBDIVISION WITH HOUSES STACKED UPON ONE ANOTHER. UM, THEY SET UP AS IT STRETCHES AND WINDS THROUGH THE ROCKLIN ROAD, HOUSES ARE DOTTED ALONGSIDE IT. THE ONLY PLACES WHERE HOUSES STACK UP WOULD BE TO CARE ABOUT COL-DE-SAC PEOPLE. THIS NEIGHBORHOOD HAD BEEN SHOOTING. THERE'S HAD FOUR. I WAS BORN IN A TIME SINCE VERY FEW HOUSES HAVE BEEN BUILT IN A DENSELY POPULATED AREA IS RATHER PEACEFUL, SPACIOUS AND QUIET. FOR THE MOST PART. IF YOU READ THE ROYAL EXAMINERS PERSPECTIVE, YOU WOULD THINK IT WAS A WAR ZONE IT, HOWEVER, IT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RULE COMMUNITY QUIET FOR MOST OF THE TIME, SOME GUNFIRE SCATTERED IN THE BACKGROUND, IT WAS HERE WHERE I FIRST LEARNED TO PROPERLY HANDLE A FIREARM AND LEARN SOME SIMPLE RULES TO LEAVE YOUR LIFE BY ALWAYS KEEP YOUR FIREARM IT IN A SAFE DIRECTION. KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOU'RE READY TO SHOOT, KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT. AND ALL WE TREAT THE FIREARM. IF IT WAS LOADED, NO YOUR FIREARM AND WOULDN'T KNOW YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT INDICATES, THOUGHT AND FORESIGHT AND NOT THE RECKLESSNESS OF THE EXAMINER STATES. WE ARE CURRENTLY ENGAGING IN. NO, THEY'VE GOT AN OWNERS OF AREA YOU'RE CALM, COLLECTED IN GOODWILL. PEOPLE GO, OWNERSHIP COMES RESPONSIBILITY AND LIABILITY. NO ONE HERE. WHAT SHE'S DOING DANGEROUS SOMEONE OR HAS BEEN ENDANGERED 30 YEARS OF NO INCIDENTS. RESOUNDINGLY CONTRADICTS THE STATEMENT FROM THE EXAMINER IS TELLING US THAT WE'VE BEEN ENGAGING RECKLESSNESS AS FOR ANOTHER STATEMENT MADE BY ANOTHER RESIDENT AND A QUOTE FROM THE EXAMINER OF ONE NEIGHBORS NEARBY PASTURE LAND. BENZIE SAID HER CATTLE GO ABSOLUTELY BALLISTIC. WHEN THEY HEAR THAT WEAPONS FIRE, IT IS JUST AMAZING. AND QUOTE, THIS IS ALSO MISLEADING. I'VE WORKED SIDE JOBS AND FARMS AND I'VE SHOT FIREARMS ON A FARM IN MILLVILLE ROAD ONLY TO HAVE TO STOP BECAUSE THE OWNER'S CATTLE CAME TOO CLOSE TO US. WE WERE SHOOTING THIS ISLAND WAS NOT USED AS A RANGE REGULARLY. THEY ARE NOT ACCLIMATED TO THE NOISE. THEY WERE NOT BOTHERED BY ON THE LESS BORDERS LAY. YET. THIS TOUCHES ON THE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS FIRE. AND I QUOTE FROM THE EXAMINER SEVERAL WEEKS AGO ON SATURDAY, WE ALL HEARD AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE OVER FIVE AND A HALF HOURS. THIS WAS NONSTOP GUNFIRE AND QUOTES FOR THOSE UNFAMILIAR, WITH THE LAWS, AUTOMATIC FIREARMS BEEN HEAVILY REGULATED BY THE ATF. AS MY FATHER HAD ALREADY DISCUSSED ABOUT TO SHOOT ANY FIREARM FOR FIVE HOURS STRAIGHT CONTINUOUSLY WOULD BE EXTREMELY COSTLY. IF YOU LOOKED AT THE PRICE OF AMMUNITION WHERE HE JUST RECENTLY AND AS WELL AS IRREPARABLY DAMAGED THE FIREARM, WELL NOT A MACHINE GUN OWNER MYSELF. I WANT HIM, I HOLD A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN MECHANICAL ENGINEERING WITH THIS KIND OF SUSTAINED FIRE FOR FIVE HOURS, THE FIREARM WILL UNDOUBTEDLY FAIL. THIS IS NOT POSSIBLE TO KEEP THAT SUSTAINED RATE OF FIRE UP. WHAT IS COMMON IN THE CIVILIAN MARKETPLACE, THEIR ACCUSATIONS ABOUT THE RATES AND FIRE AND AMOUNT OF IT HAPPENING ALL THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND THROUGHOUT THE WEEK, I'VE BEEN REFUTED BY COMMENTS ON THE FACEBOOK PAGE, POST WHAT'S UP WHAT'S UP FRONT ROYAL. WHEN THIS ARTICLE FROM THE ROYAL EXAMINER HAD BEEN POSTED MANY OF THE RESIDENTS IN THE AREA OF ULCER REFUTED. THE FACT THAT THIS IS NOT BEING A DAILY OCCURRENCE DOES NOT HAPPEN THROUGHOUT THE DAY AND EVERY DAY. I WONDER WHY SUDDENLY THIS HAS BECOME AN ISSUE AFTER 30 YEARS OF PEOPLE SHOOTING BACK THERE, MYSELF BEING PART OF THAT IS NOT DUE TO AN INFLUX OF NEW HOUSES BEING BUILT IN THE AREA AS IT WOULD MAKE IT TOO DENSE TO SHOOT IN. UNLESS THE CATTLE HAVE SUDDENLY BECOME AN ALARMINGLY SKIDDISH. THAT CAN NOT BE THE REASON EITHER NO INJURIES, NO PROPERTY DAMAGE OR INCIDENTS BEING FIREARM-RELATED. SO THAT CAN'T BE THE SUDDEN CAUSE FOR CONCERN. NO, THE REASON IS LIKELY DUE TO MORE AND MORE HOUSES BEING POSTED FOR SALE. I'M SURE THOSE WHO ARE SELLING THEIR PROPERTIES ARE WORRIED. IT WILL BE A HARD SELL TO THOSE ARE COMING FROM MORE DEVELOPED AREAS. IF YOU CHOOSE THE ROUTE, MOVE TO A RURAL COMMUNITY, YOU WILL HEAR GUNSHOTS PLAIN AND SIMPLE. EVERY HUNTING SEASON, FI FARMERS HUNT THERE ANY YEAR, PEOPLE PRACTICE SAY FIREARM HANDLING IS A WAY OF LIFE IN THESE AREAS HAVE GONE UNDISTURBED FOR DECADES UNTIL PEOPLE GOT SCARED. SOME PROSPECT FROM NOVA WOULD GET SKITTISH AND BAIL TO PUSH VARIOUS AGENDAS. [02:40:01] PEOPLE HAVE RESORTED TO OUTLANDISH CLAIMS AND FLAT OUT LIES PUBLICLY. SO IF I HAD TO FORCE OTHERS TO CHANGE THEIR WAYS, I ASKED YOU TO TAKE THIS IN CONSIDERATION. YOU MAKE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, MRS. SHIRAKI. ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. MALCOLM BAR SENIOR , UH, CHAIRMAN MAY HAVE BEEN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS. EXCUSE ME. I'M GETTING A LITTLE BIT HOARSE SITTING HERE SO LONG. UM, MY NAME IS MALCOLM BAR. UH, MY WIFE IS CAROL AND WE LIVE AT THREE FIVE SEVEN SEVEN ROCKLAND ROAD, UH, WITHIN THE CLAIR BACK SUBDIVISION. WE'RE BOTH IN OUR EIGHTIES. WELL, PARDON ME? MY LIFE TOOK EXCEPTION TO IT. SHE'LL BE 80 IN OCTOBER. UH, I'M 87. UH, WE RETIRED TO OUR OWN COUNTY HOME ABOUT 18 YEARS AGO TO ESCAPE THE HURLY BURLY OF WASHINGTON AND ITS SUBURBS WHERE WE LIVED AND WORKED FOR MORE THAN 25 YEARS IN YOUR FOLDERS. YOU'LL FIND MY PREPARED STATEMENT, WHICH I SUBMITTED, UH, IN THE LIKELIHOOD THAT I WAS, UH, AS I WAS GOING TO BE DRIVING MY SON TO CHARLOTTESVILLE'S TODAY. UM, IT WAS NOT TO BE SO I'M HERE TO STRESS THE IMPORTANCE OF MAINTAINING THE QUIET IN OUR HISTORIC AND RURAL SURROUNDINGS. I HASTEN TO ADD THAT SINCE JAMES HARTFORD CIRCULATED HIS PETITION AND BECAME LOCALLY KNOWN AND IT BECAME LOCALLY KNOWN THAT WE WERE SEEING SEEKING A BYLAW CHANGE TO HOLD THE SOUND OF GUNFIRE AT ANY GIVEN DAYLIGHT HOUR IN A NEIGHBORHOOD. THE SILENCE HAS INDEED IN GOLDEN CAROLYN AND I WISH IT WOULD BE SO IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY NEW LAW THAT WE FOUND OUT, THE TARGET SHOOTING WAS HEARD AGAIN A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO OR SO I SORT OF THUMB THROUGH THE NOSE IF YOU WILL, JUST TO BRIEF VOLLEY, BUT A REMINDER THAT THE TARGET SHOOTERS ARE STILL AMONG US. AND APPARENTLY THEY ARE. IT IS MY WIFE THAT I PARTICULARLY SPEAK FOR THIS EVENING, SUFFERING STAGE FOUR, LUNG CANCER AND SURVIVING THESE PAST 10 YEARS. SHE CONFINES HERSELF MORNINGS AND LATE AFTERNOONS FOR CANCER TREATMENTS IN A ROOM SET ASIDE IN THE BACK OF OUR HOUSE FOR SUCH TREATMENTS FOR TWO HOURS EACH DAY. THIS IS IT'S BEEN GOING ON FOR ALMOST A DECADE. THE SEEMINGLY INCESSANT GUNFIRE CLOSE TO OUR HOUSE AND THE PARENTS YEAR OR TWO OR THREE, OR I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW LONG DISTURB SOME OF THESE TREATMENTS, WHICH WE BELIEVE HAS HELPED KEEP HER ALIVE ALONG WITH THE INEVITABLE CHEMO AND RADIATION SESSIONS AND CLINICAL TRIALS, THE CANCER VICTIMS MUST FACE AND THAT SHE HAS FACED FOR MORE THAN A DECADE. ALSO, YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT RECENTLY WE'VE HEARD RICOCHETING BULLETS SENT THAT SCENE FOR THE PINGING OFF METAL. THIS, THIS WAS DISTURBING TO SEVERAL OF US IN THE AREA, INCLUDING THE GOLF COURSE ACROSS THE ROAD FROM OUR HOUSE AND THE HOMES OF SEVERAL OF HER NEIGHBORS. EXCUSE ME, I NEED A DRINK OF THAT WATER. WHO KNOWS WHERE WE'RE IN THE, HOW FAR THESE BULLETS, UM, MIGHT LAND, WHAT ARE THEY FIRING AT BEER OR SODA CANS MAY BE SAYING, THANK YOU. OH, AND ASK FOR A NEW SHOWER SEATS. ALMOST DONE RELAXING ON OUR DECK, PLAYING WITH THE DOGS OR WORKING IN THE YARD IS THE VERY LEAST AT THE VERY LEAST IS DISQUIETING TO US. AND FOR ANYONE PARTICULARLY WHEN AUTOMATIC SEEMINGLY AUTOMATIC [02:45:01] WEAPONS COME INTO PLAY, WHICH HAS BEEN INCREASINGLY OFTEN. OKAY. OKAY. FINALLY, I REMIND YOU AND EVERYONE THAT OUR SUPPORT FOR AN ANTIDOTE BANTAY NOISE BYLAW TO PROTECT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS NOT INTENDED TO BE A DIATRIBE AGAINST GUNS. IT'S SIMPLY ASKED THAT THOSE DESIRING TO PRACTICE WITH FIREARMS, TAKE THEMSELVES TO AN APPROPRIATELY LICENSED PLACE TO DO SO AND LEAVE US TO ENJOY THE RURAL ENVIRONMENT WHEREIN THE SILENCE IS GOLDEN. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. SURE, SURE. ROCKY, HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. SAM HON. GOOD AFTERNOON, MR. CHAIRMAN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, PROBABLY. SURE. Y'ALL ARE GETTING TIRED OF SEEING COME IN HERE. UM, I LIVE AT ONE 34 NORTH FORK ROAD. I ACTUALLY DON'T LIVE OUT IN ROCKLAND, BUT I WAS CONTACTED BY SEVERAL OF THE INDIVIDUALS WHO DO, I GUESS PROBABLY BECAUSE I'VE BEEN IN HERE PUSHING ORDINANCES AND THINGS LIKE THAT FOR THE SECOND AMENDMENT. AND HONESTLY, I DON'T SEE THIS AS A SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUE. THIS ACTUALLY BOILS DOWN TO YOU PURCHASED A PIECE OF PROPERTY. YOU PAY THE TAXES ON THAT PROPERTY. AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT PUTTING SOMEBODY ELSE IN VIOLATION, YOU SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO DO WHAT IT IS THAT YOU'RE ALREADY PRETTY MUCH PERMITTED TO DO ON THAT PROPERTY. I WROTE OUT AND CHECKED SEVERAL OF THE AREAS THAT THESE FOLKS SHOOT AT. YOU HAD A GENTLEMAN COME IN HERE EARLIER AND GIVE YOU A WHOLE LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT ARE PROPER WELL, THAT'S FOUR FEDERAL LICENSED SHOOTING AREAS THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVATE PROPERTY, PRIVATE PROPERTY WITHIN THE COUNTY. THEY HAVE CERTAIN BASICALLY ORDINANCES THAT THEY HAVE TO FALL UNDER. THESE FOLKS DID THAT. THEY HAVE AN ADEQUATE BACKGROUND. I EVEN TOOK PICTURES WHILE I WAS THERE. IN CASE YOU ALL WANTED TO SEE WHAT IT WAS THEY WERE SHOOTING AT. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT PUTTING ANYBODY ELSE IN DANGER FROM WHERE THEY'RE ACTUALLY FIRING FROM. UH, AND SO A LOT OF THE REPORTS AND STUFF THAT I'VE READ WHEN I TALKED TO THEIR NEIGHBORS, YOU'RE GOING TO FIND THAT NONE OF THEM SIGNED A PETITION. SOME OF THEM SAID THEY NEVER EVEN SAW A PETITION. SO IT KIND OF MAKES ME WONDER WHERE THEIR PETITION GOT THEIR SIGNERS AT THE, UH, ONE OF THE MAIN THINGS I'M GOING TO SAY HERE IS NOT GOING TO MAKE ME POPULAR. A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DISLIKE WHAT I'M ABOUT TO SAY. WHEN YOU MOVE INTO AN AREA, IT'S BEST THAT YOU GO AND CHECK THAT AREA OUT BEFORE YOU MOVED THERE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE FAMILIES THAT HAVE GROWN UP HERE THAT HAVE DONE TARGET, SHOOTING THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. THEY KNOW HOW TO HANDLE A FIREARM. YOU HAVE PEOPLE THAT MOVE HERE FROM THE CITY, LOOKING FOR THAT PEACE AND QUIET. SOME OF THESE NEIGHBORHOODS, AREN'T EXACTLY WHERE YOU WANT TO LIVE FOR THAT. AND WHAT YOU'LL HAVE IS A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO JUST MOVE IN AND ASSUME THAT THEY'RE MOVING INTO THE COUNTRY WHERE IT'S NICE AND IT'S QUIET AND IT'S PEACEFUL, BUT THE REALITY IS THAT'S NOT TRUE. SO IF THEY DIDN'T DO THEIR DUE DILIGENCE AND FIND OUT WHAT KIND OF AREA THEY WERE MOVING INTO, I HATE TO SAY IT, BUT YOU MIGHT BE BETTER OFF SELLING AND LOOKING FOR SOMEPLACE. THAT'S A LITTLE MORE, YOUR SPEED. UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM A FEW PEOPLE WHO HAVE DONE PRETTY MUCH THE SAME THING I DID AND ACTUALLY RESEARCHED THIS A LITTLE BIT. UM, SO I'M GONNA STEP DOWN AND LET THEM FINISH IT. BUT LIKE I SAID, I THINK THIS IS MORE OF A, A PROPERTY RIGHTS ISSUE THAN IT IS A SECOND AMENDMENT ISSUE. THANK YOU ALL, MR. SHIRAKI HAS ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. MIKE SANDLANDS GOOD EVENING. MIKE SOUNDS 95 MURDERS DRIVE. UM, JUST HAD A COUPLE OF BULLET POINTS. UH, ONE IS PEOPLE THAT USE FIREARMS TYPICALLY TAKE IT PRETTY SERIOUSLY. UM, WE'RE NOT JUST SHOOTING IN THE AIR, LIKE IT'S SOME WILD WEST MOVIE OR SOMETHING. UM, THE RICOCHETING YOU PROBABLY HEARD WAS LIKELY METAL TARGETS BEING SHOT AT, WHICH ARE PERFECTLY SAFE. UM, YOU KNOW, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHY THIS IS ALL GOING THROUGH AS WELL. IT'S A REAL OVERREACH AND JUST KIND OF LIKE SAM SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ALL LIVE HERE. UM, WE'D LIKE TO SHOOT PEOPLE. DO YOU KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DO? UM, I MEAN, I LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD WHERE EVERYBODY LOVES GUNS AND WE DON'T HEAR FIRING OFF LIKE CRAZY [02:50:01] AND IT'S A WASTE OF MONEY. WE DO IT FOR TARGET AND NOT THAT FREQUENTLY. UM, I HAVEN'T HEARD OF ANYBODY BEING HURT, NO THREATS. UM, SO THE ONLY THING I CAN COME UP WITH IS THAT THERE REALLY ISN'T A PROBLEM AND THIS IS ALL FOR SELFISH REASONS. UM, IF THERE'S ISSUES WITH NOISE, WE HAVE NOISE ORDINANCES, RIGHT? SO YOU ALREADY HAVE LAWS FOR NOISES. UM, SO WHERE DO YOU DRAW THE LINE? YOU KNOW, IS IT GOING TO BE DOGS BARKING NEXT OR SOMEBODY WHO'S GOT A LOUD MOTORCYCLE? JUST W WHERE DO YOU STOP? UM, IT'S, IT'S A REAL SLIPPERY SLOPE. AND I THINK ONCE THE DOORS OPEN, THERE'S NO CLOSING IT AGAIN, YOU KNOW? SO, UM, I JUST URGE YOU GUYS TO NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN. I THINK WE JUST NEED TO LEAVE THE FREEDOMS THERE, WHERE THEY ARE AND, UM, YOU KNOW, DEAL WITH EVERY SITUATION AS IT COMES ALONG. IF THERE'S SOME CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE PEOPLE ARE FIRING OUT LIKE CRAZY. UM, AND THEY'RE TRYING TO HAVE A WEDDING, I'M SURE IF THEY WOULD'VE COME TO HIS DOOR, HE WOULD HAVE STOPPED. SO I FIND THAT TO KIND OF BE A FARFETCHED, UH, STRETCHER TRUTH. THANKS, MRS. SHIRAKI ANYONE ELSE SIGNED UP? YES, SIR. JOSEPH PATRICK, HOW YOU DOING? I'VE PREPARED A STATEMENT, BUT I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WERE SAID REAL QUICK BY THIS GENTLEMEN. HE USED AGAIN, THE WORD AUTOMATIC WEAPONS FIRE THAT PUTS PEOPLE AT RISK, JUST LIKE MR. DENINO SAID, I LIVE AT 30. FIRST OF ALL, MY NAME IS JOE BABIN. I LIVE AT 34 75 ROCKAWAY AND ROAD, HIM USING THAT TERM AUTOMATIC WEAPONS FIRE THAT ALSO COULD JUST, LIKE HE SAID, COULD CAUSE MY HOUSE TO BE RAIDED. I'M ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT SHOOT ON A REGULAR BASIS AND BY REGULAR BASIS, THE LAST TIME WE SHOT WAS JULY 3RD. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. BY A REGULAR BASIS, I PULLED A FREEDOM INFORMATION REQUESTS FOR ALL THE POLICE REPORTS IN THE AREA. FOR TWO YEARS, THERE WAS ONE REPORT OF FIREWORKS IN 2019 AND FIVE REPORTS OF A FIRING OF WEAPONS IN 2020, NONE OF THEM WERE PAST EIGHT. O'CLOCK THE LATEST ONE WAS SEVEN 55. AND LIKE I SAID, I HAVE NO IDEA WHO DID THAT OR WHO THAT WAS THAT WASN'T NICE, BUT I WILL READ A QUICK STATEMENT HERE, SAYS, HELLO. MY NAME IS JOSEPH BEBEK. I LIVE AT 34 75 ROCKLIN ROADS. I AM VERY PRO SHOOTING AND DEAD AGAINST THE SHOOTING BAN IN ROCKLAND. I HAVE LIVED AT THE CURRENT ADDRESS FOR 20 YEARS AND MOVED THERE FROM APPLE MOUNTAIN. ONE REASON FOR MY MOVE WAS THE ABILITY TO TARGET SHOOT IN MY BACKYARD. THERE HAVE BEEN A LOT OF BLATANT FALSE STATEMENTS MADE IN REGARD TO THIS ISSUE. THE FIRST AND MOST DANGEROUS WAS THAT AUTOMATIC WEAPONS WERE BEEN FIRED AND HEARD AT NO TIME. HAVE I EVER HEARD AUTOMATIC WEAPON FIRE? NEVER. THIS LIE WAS REPEATED BY A LOCAL NEWSPAPER. I GUESS YOU COULD CALL THAT FAKE NEWS. THE ATF MAY NOT KNOW THAT ME OR MY NEIGHBORS DON'T HAVE AUTOMATIC WEAPONS AND DECIDED TO RAID OUR HOUSE. IF MY FRONT DOOR GETS KICKED IN AT 3:00 AM, I WILL COME DOWN WITH A FIREARM AND GOD KNOWS WHAT COULD HAPPEN, BUT WHATEVER HAPPENS, IT COULD BE BLAMED ON THE NEWSPAPER ARTICLE AND THE PERSON THAT LIED OR REGIONALLY ANOTHER LIE TOLD WAS IT MY NEIGHBOR OR MYSELF, OR ASKED TO STOP SHOOTING DURING A WEDDING. THIS NEVER OCCURRED. MR. HARPER HAS SEVERAL NEIGHBORS SIGN A PETITION TO STOP THE TARGET, PRACTICING ROCKLIN. HE TOLD DIFFERENT STORIES TO ALL INVOLVED. WOODY MORRISON, THE OWNER OF BOWLING GREEN GOLF COURSE SENT MY WIFE A MESSAGE VIA FACEBOOK ASKING HOW TO GET HIS NAME OFF OF THE PETITION. I DID TRY TO PRINT THIS OFF, BUT WASN'T ABLE TO, TO ANY OF YOU, ANY OF YOU MAY ASK MR. MORRISON TO VERIFY THIS. I ALSO FILLED OUT A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION REQUEST AND GOT THE POLICE CALLS. NONE OF THE REPORTS WERE AFTER DARK. AS I SAID, I LIVED DIRECTLY ACROSS THE MACHINE INTO A GOLF COURSE AND WITNESSED MANY FIREWORK DISPLAYS. NEVER HAVE I CALLED THE POLICE. I BELIEVE THE POLICE, THE PEOPLE LIVING DOWN THE ROAD FROM THE CORES. THINK THE NOISE IS GUNFIRE. SINCE THEY CAN'T SEE THE LIGHT DISPLAY, NONE OF MY NEIGHBORS HAS EVER ASKED ME TO STOP SHOOTING. I HOPE THIS BAND IS REJECTED. SO I AM NOT FORCED TO MOVE AGAIN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. AND FOR THE ONES OF YOU THAT CAME OUT TO VISIT AND INSPECT MY RANGE, YOU CAN VERIFY MY BULLETS STOP LONG BEFORE MY PROPERTY LINE. I HAVE AN EARTHEN BACKSTOP TO ENSURE THAT, AND I HAVE [02:55:01] NEVER SHOT BEFORE EIGHT OR 9:00 AM IN THE MORNING AND NEVER AFTER DARK. THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME. AND I APPRECIATE YOU. THIS IS SHIRAKI ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR. JAMES HARPER. . MY NAME IS JAMES HARPER, 36 58 ROCKLIN ROAD IN FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA, MR. CHAIRMAN AND FELLOW SUPERVISORS. I'M HERE TONIGHT TO REQUEST THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS TO AMEND SECTION ONE 77 DASH THREE OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE. THIS IS IN REFERENCE TO RECREATIONAL SHOOTING AND DECLARE BACK SUBDIVISION. I AM A REPUBLICAN AND HAVE BEEN SINCE I WAS IN THE SECOND YEAR IN COLLEGE, I BELIEVE IN THE BILL OF RIGHTS AND SOME HERE TONIGHT HAVE SPOKEN ABOUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT AND I AGREE WITH THEM, BUT THERE'S MORE TO IT THAN JUST THE RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT SAYS A WELL REGULATED MILITIA BEING NECESSARY TO THE SECURITY OF A FREE STATE, THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. I'M NOT SURE THE CLEAR BACK SUBDIVISION NEEDS A MILITIA AT THIS TIME, UNLESS JOE BIDEN WINS THE ELECTION. I AM RETIRED LIKE MANY IN THE CLEAR BACK AREA AND ENJOY MY FIRST AMENDMENT, RIGHT TO LIVE PEACEFULLY AND ENJOY THOSE RIGHTS. THEY'RE IN. AS I MENTIONED ON AUGUST 4TH, 2020, EVERYONE HEARD GUNFIRE FOR OVER FIVE AND A HALF HOURS ON A SATURDAY, MANY NIGHTS AND WEEKENDS, WE HEAR THE GUNFIRE AND YES, IT HAS GOTTEN BETTER, BUT IF YOU FAIL TO AMEND THE COUNTY CODE, I'M SURE IT WILL GO BACK TO THE PRE AUGUST GUNFIRE FOR A MINUTE. JUST THINK ABOUT SITTING OUTSIDE LIKE TODAY AND ENJOYING A BEAUTIFUL DAY. AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE STARTS BULLETS GOING INTO A METAL TARGET, BANG, BANG. BANG. IS THIS ENJOYING OUR FIRST AMENDMENT, RIGHT? THE ANSWER IS NO. WHEN THEY SHOOT AT A TARGET THAT EXPLODES LIKE A CANON, IS THAT ENJOYABLE? THE ANSWER IS NO MANY OF US HAVE ANIMALS. AND I CAN TELL YOU THEY'RE NOT FANS OF THE GUNFIRE. IS IT FAIR FOR THE TWO HOUSES TO A DISRUPT THE NEIGHBORHOOD? THE ANSWER'S NO TO BULLETS STOP AT THEIR PROPERTY LINE. THE ANSWER'S NO. I'D LIKE TO GIVE MR. CHAIRMAN COLOR COPIES OF THE TWO HOUSES. YOU CAN SEE THE PROPERTY LINE HERE VERY EASILY. YOU CAN PASS THOSE BACK. YOU CAN SEE THEM. BULLETS ARE NOT STOPPING AT THE PROPERTY LINE. I'M TRYING TO SELL MY HOME. DO YOU THINK ON AUTOMATIC GUNFIRE HELPS. I'M ALL FOR OWNING GUNS, BUT THERE'S A BETTER PLACE. AND THAT'S A GUN RANGE OR A LARGE FARM, NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. SPEAKING OF MR. MORRISON, MY DAD LIVED ON THE MARSTONS THING AT SHENANDOAH IN THE SIXTIES AND SEVENTIES. AND SO I'VE BEEN OUT THERE AND SPENT MANY A NIGHTS OUT THERE WHEN I WAS LITTLE, WHEN I WAS 10. AND SO I KNOW THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IF WOODY, HIS SISTER COMES TO SEE ME REGULARLY JUST TO CHIT CHAT, CAUSE WE'RE ALL FRIENDS. AND IF WHAT HE WANTED TO CHANGE HIS THING, HE COULD HAVE COME AND SAID TO ME, AND I WOULD HAVE WITHDRAWN HIS PETITION AND I HAVE COPIES OF THE PETITIONS. AND HOPEFULLY MR. DALEY SHARED THEM WITH YOU. I'LL GIVE YOU ALL COPIES EVERYBODY TO SIGN. I DIDN'T HOLD ANYBODY'S HAND . AND IT'S INTERESTING SHENANDOAH COUNTRY CLUB RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET FROM THEIR TWO HOMES. HE SIGNED THE HOMES RIGHT ON EITHER SIDE, MR. SHRUNK, HE SIGNED MALCOLM BARR. HE SIGNED PEOPLE IN BACK WOODY MARSON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY BEHIND HIM, SON, THEN WEDDELL, WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY [03:00:01] SIDE OF, UH, OF WHAT HE'S IN THE BACK. HE SIGNED. I HAVE SIGNATURES FROM THE FORMER SUPERVISOR, BEN WEDDELL, AS I SAID, WHO OWNED THE PROPERTY BEHIND FORMER TOWN? COUNCILMAN KERMIT NICHOLSON, HIS WIFE, JOANNE RICHARD RUNNIN THE OWNER SHENANDOAH VALLEY GOLF CLUB, MAURICE AND DONNA LANG LARRY AND MARGIE DILLER, JUDITH GETTY, RUTH BENZIE, MALCOLM AND CAROL BAR CLAY AND CINDY NETTLES, WILLEM AND JULIANA DICKS, HUSSAN, BOB AND JOE NAILER. CHRISTINE BANKSTON, HER MOTHER AND THEIR NEW NEIGHBORS. AND THEY WONDER WHAT THEY'VE GOTTEN INTO LINWOOD MARSTON WHO OWNS THE PROPERTY BEHIND DIRECTLY BEHIND 34, 75 AND 34 43 ROCKLAND ROAD, CONNIE AND RICHARD, SUSAN BOWEN, JOHN KRAUTHAMMER, JAMES KRAUTHAMMER, PEGGY HERNDON, HAYDEN RICH STRUNK, JANET HARSHMAN, CLIFF AND LYNN LEWIS, BERT HAYDEN, JEAN EISNER, WHO WAS HERE EARLIER. BUT YOU WERE OUT WHEN YOU WENT OVER THE BOND ISSUE. SHE HAD, SHE LEFT TIM ROBERTS AND JAMES HARPER. I'M NOT LYING TO YOU. IF I WANTED TO LAST SOMETHING, I'D MAKE UP SOMETHING BETTER. IT BOTHERS ME. WHEN PEOPLE CALL ME A LIAR, IF I'M GOING TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, I'M GOING TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH AND THAT'LL BE IT. AND I'M NOT GONNA MAKE SOMETHING UP JUST TO GET MY WAY. IT'S JUST AWFUL. WHEN PEOPLE COME IN HERE AND MAKE SOMETHING UP, BUT PEOPLE ON ALL THE SIDES OF THOSE THINGS, AND IF YOU COME OUT, WHAT DROVE ME OVER THE EDGE WAS THE FIVE AND A HALF HOURS. ONE SATURDAY. MY ENJOYMENT IN LIFE AS I'M RETIRED IS SITTING OUTSIDE, READING A BOOK WITH MY DOGS. THAT'S THE ENJOYMENT I GET. AND TO HEAR GUNFIRE ALL THE TIME. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I WANT TO MOVE. I DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO IT. AND ON BEHALF OF ALL THESE HOMEOWNERS, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS REQUEST. WE DESERVE TO LIVE IN A SAFE AND PEACEFUL NEIGHBORHOOD. WE WANT THE SAME CONSIDERATION AS OUR NEIGHBORS ON BOWLING VIEW SUBDIVISION, WHICH IS SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS. WELL, HALF A MILE AWAY. WE WANT THE SAME CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS YOUR RP. IS ANYONE ELSE TIME? YES, SIR. MELANIE SEALANTS. HI, I'M MELANIE. SALANS 95. MARISE DRIVE. I'M HERE TODAY TO ASK YOU TO VOTE AGAINST THE PROPOSED SHOOTING BAN. THIS BAN WOULD ERODE OUR FREEDOM, BOTH GUN RIGHTS AND PROPERTY RIGHTS. MOST OF US WHO PURCHASED AGRICULTURALLY ZONED PROPERTY IN THE COUNTY DID SO BECAUSE WE WANTED THE FREEDOM TO LIVE A CERTAIN LIFESTYLE, TO REMOVE THE RIGHT TO SHOOT ON ONE'S OWN LAND RUINS, THAT LIFESTYLE THAT WE BOUGHT INTO. IF YOU WANT TO LIVE IN AN AREA THAT DOESN'T ALLOW SHOOTING, THEN DON'T BUY INTO AN AREA THAT ALLOWS SHOOTING. I GUESS THE QUESTION I HAVE FOR ALL OF YOU TODAY IS DO YOU LIKE THE DIRECTION SOCIETY IS HEADED? DO YOU WANT TO LIVE IN A SOCIETY WHERE NEIGHBORS DON'T TALK TO EACH OTHER TO FIND COMPROMISES AND WORK THINGS OUT AMONGST THEMSELVES, BUT WHO WOULD RATHER WEAPONIZE THE GOVERNMENT AGAINST THEIR OWN NEIGHBORS TO CREATE BANDS? THAT IS THE TREND AFTER ALL, IF I DON'T LIKE IT, THEN IT MUST BE BANNED. THERE IS NO TOLERANCE FOR OTHERS, FREEDOMS ONLY A HYPERFOCUS ON WORST CASE SCENARIOS OF MITES AND MAYBES. I'VE HEARD THE VAGUE ACCUSATIONS BEING MADE AGAINST THE NEIGHBORS WHO ARE SHOOTING. BUT IF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS IS TO ACT AS A JUDGE, JURY, AND EXECUTIONER, THEN THERE NEEDS TO BE IRREFUTABLE PROOF OF WRONGDOING. OUR LAWS SAY INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I WOULD HAVE TO ASSUME ANYONE SHOOTING IS DOING SO IN A SAFE MANNER, IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER, UNLESS THERE IS PROOF BEYOND A REASONABLE, REASONABLE DOUBT TO SHOW. OTHERWISE I HAVE SEEN NO PROOF SUBMITTED OF THAT TONIGHT. NOT A VIDEO, NOT A PHOTO, NOT A LOG OF SHOOTING TIMES AND DATES. AND EVEN THEN WOULDN'T THIS BE A MATTER BEST SOLVED BY THE SHERIFF [03:05:01] AND COVERED BY EXISTING LAWS. I DON'T CARE FOR THE MANNER AND MOTIVATION IN WHICH THIS PROPOSED BAN WAS BROUGHT FORTH. I WOULD ASK YOU TO REFERENCE PAGE TWO 52 IN THE AGENDA PACKET. THE PETITIONS INCLUDE SIGNATURES FROM A TOTAL OF 20 LOPS, BUT THEY APPEAR TO BE MORE NUMEROUS BECAUSE MULTIPLE ADULTS PER HOUSEHOLD WERE ALLOWED TO SIGN OF THOSE 20 LOTS. ONLY EIGHT OF THE LOTS ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD FOR WHICH THE BAN WOULD APPLY OF THOSE EIGHT LOTS ONLY TO OUR ORIGINAL OWNERS, HALF OF THE EIGHT ONLY RECENTLY MOVED INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. WHY BUY INTO AN AREA THAT ALLOWS SHOOTING AND THEN WANT TO CHANGE THE RULES FOR EVERYONE ELSE? WHO'S BEEN THERE FOR YEARS. I WOULD ASK THAT THE SIGNATURES FROM THE 12 LOTS OF NON NEIGHBORHOOD RESIDENTS BE IMMEDIATELY DISCARDED AS THIS BAN WOULD NOT BE OPPOSED, IMPOSED UPON THEM. MOST OF THEM LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF ROCKLAND ROAD OR EVEN FARTHER AWAY. AND NO ONE IS SHOOTING ACROSS THE MAJOR ROADWAY TOWARDS THEIR HOMES. AND IF THEY DID THAT IS ALREADY ILLEGAL AND COULD BE REMEDIED WITH A CALL TO THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT. FURTHERMORE, THE SPOKESPERSON PROPOSING THIS BAN DOES NOT LIVE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD IN WHICH THIS BAND WOULD APPLY. COINCIDENTALLY, AS HE SAID, HE'S SELLING HIS HOUSE. SO IT APPEARS HE WANTS TO SPAN FOR PERSONAL FINANCIAL GAIN. AND I WOULD URGE YOU TO VALIDATE THESE PETITION SIGNATURES, ALL OF THEM BEFORE TAKING THEM INTO ACCOUNT. BECAUSE I HAVE PROOF OF AT LEAST ONE SIGNATORY WHO SAYS THE PETITION WAS PRESENTED TO HIM, FALSELY TELLING HIM IT WAS NOT A BAN, BUT A TIME RESTRICTION ON SHOOTING. AND I DO HAVE WRITTEN PROOF THAT HE WANTS HIS NAME REMOVED. THANK YOU. CAN I SEE THAT AS WELL? IN CLOSING, I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK AT THE WORDING IN THE BAN. THE TERM SO HEAVILY POPULATED IS USED. I ASK YOU TO REFERENCE YOUR MAP ON PAGE TWO 50, ONE OF THIS AGENDA. THIS IS AN AREA OF LARGE PARCELS AND VAST FARMLAND. THIS IS NOT HEAVILY POPULATED. THIS IS A SMALL CLUSTER OF HOUSES SURROUNDED BY MULTIPLE HUNDRED PLUS ACRE PARCELS OF LAND THAT DOES NOT MEET THE DEFINITION OF HEAVILY POPULATED. I WORRY THAT WE ARE, UH, ENTERING A SLIPPERY SLOPE. WHEN WE HAVE PEOPLE LIVING OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD, WHO CAN ASK FOR LAWS TO GOVERN, GOVERN AGAINST YOU IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD. BUT IT WON'T APPLY TO THEM. ISN'T THAT THE EPITOME OF RULES ARE FOR THE, AND NOT FOR ME. THANK YOU. THIS IS ROCKY. HAS ANYONE AT SONG THOUGH? NO. MR. CHAIRMAN, PLEASE BEAR WITH ME JUST A SECOND. MR. HARPER. GOOD EVENING. I'D LIKE TO ADDRESS THE BOARD. YES, SIR. MY NAME'S DAN BERRY LIVE AT 20 KATIE LANE, MIDDLETOWN, VIRGINIA, TWO TWO SIX, FOUR, FIVE. THAT WAY. IT'S EXACT CAUSE THINGS GET MISCONSTRUED. WHAT WE'VE HEARD TONIGHT. I LIKE TO ASK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, IS THIS COUNTRY OR IS THIS CITY? CAN YOU ANSWER? THIS IS COUNTY NOW WHERE WE LIVE, WOULD YOU CONSIDER IT COUNTRY OR CITY? I WOULD CONSIDER IT MORE COUNTRY THAN CITY. THANK YOU. THAT MEANS NO STREET LIGHTS, NO CURB AND GUTTER THAT WE ENJOY OUR SURROUNDINGS. THAT'S BEING ATTACKED. I'M A FIRM BELIEVER IN THE SECOND AMENDMENT. THAT WAS THE SECOND PERSON TO SPEAK LAST, FALL AT THE GAZEBO. BUT I DON'T JUST CONSIDER THIS AN ATTACK AT ASCENDANT SECOND AMENDMENT. THIS IS ALSO AN ATTACK ON PROPERTY RIGHTS. YOU SIR, OUR NEXT MARINE I'M RETIRED ARMY. IF WE HEARD SHOOTING FOR FIVE HOURS, WE COULD PAY OUR MORTGAGE AND THAT'S WITHOUT EXAGGERATION. HAS THERE BEEN ANY PROPERTY DAMAGE? HAS ANYONE BEEN SHOT? IF NOT, THIS IS PERSONAL WITH AN INDIVIDUAL [03:10:01] THAT WANTS TO SELL A PROPERTY AND HE'S VIOLATING QUITE A FEW PEOPLE'S RIGHTS. AND OF THOSE PEOPLE WHOSE RIGHTS ARE BEING VIOLATED SHOULD DECIDE TO TAKE IT TO THE COURTS. I WOULD SUPPORT THEM. THIS IS A TRAVESTY. THIS SHOULD NEVER, EVER HAVE TO COME TO THIS POINT. EIGHT YEARS. I SAT ON THAT BOARD. NOT ONCE DID THIS COME UP? NOT ONCE FROM THAT ASSOCIATION TO A HOUSE, WENT UP FOR SALE. MR. CHAIRMAN, I THINK THIS IS WRONG, SARAH. I HAVE THE FLOOR, PLEASE. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I EXPECT FROM YOU. I NEED TO KNOW HOW WE COULD GET TO THIS POINT. I UNDERSTAND PETITIONS. I UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN BE FALSELY ACCUSED AND DRUG. ENTER THE COURT WITH FALSE PETITION INFORMATION. THIS IS WRONG, MR. MAY I KNOW THE INDIVIDUAL WHO'S RUNNING THIS CHARGE AND I ASK YOU TO ABSTAIN FROM VOTING BECAUSE HE WAS ONE OF YOUR BIGGEST SUPPORTERS. THANK YOU. BEAR WITH ME JUST A SECOND, MR. MARY, I APPRECIATE WHAT YOU SAID. I WON'T SUBSTAIN OR ABSTAIN ONLY BECAUSE YES, MR. HARPER HELPED HIM, HELPED ME IN MY CAMPAIGN TO WIN, TO WIN THIS SEAT. HE WAS NOT MY LARGEST SUPPORTER. WE HAD ONE, ONE REAL MEETING. HE SUPPORTED ME. I THANKED HIM FOR THAT. I MADE NO PROMISES TO HIM. I MADE NO, NO EVEN POINTED DISCUSSIONS WITH HIM THAT IT WOULD CAUSE ME TO CHANGE ANY VOTE THAT CAME IN FRONT OF ME. AND YOU CAN TAKE IT TO THE BANK, SIR, TO HAVE YOU HAVE THE INFERENCE OF WHAT POLITICAL PAYBACK THAT WAS TRYING TO PROTECT YOU. AND THAT IS NOT HAPPENING, SIR. I PROMISE YOU, UH, MR. HARPER, YOU HAD, YOU WANTED TO SAY SOMETHING ADDITIONAL, GO BACK AGAIN. I'D JUST LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON SOMETHING THAT MR. HARPER DID SAY. FIRST THING HE SAID WAS HE WAS NOT A LIAR. THEN HE TURNED AROUND AND SAID HE HEARD AUTOMATIC WEAPONS, FIRE. HE ALSO TURNED AROUND AND HE SAID, BULLETS, DON'T STOP AT THE PROPERTY LINE. YOU ALL HAVE INSPECTED MY RANGE. YOU ALL SAW THERE'S NO POSSIBLE WAY BULLETS GET OUT OF MY YARD. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT BEFORE IT GOT ANY DEEPER THAT MR. HARPER IS CORRECT ON THAT. AND WHEN HE SAYS HE HEARS RICOCHET, HE DOESN'T HEAR ANY RICOCHETING. HE MAY HE'LL HEAR STEEL TARGETS. THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE MADE TO DO IS MADE THE BULLET DROP TO THE GROUND. SO IT DOESN'T GO SHOOTING OFF IN DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. HARPER, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? I WILL CONGRATULATE MR. MURRAY ON HIS NEW JOB. I VOLUNTEER FOR SEE CAPITOL ON MONDAYS AND WEDNESDAYS AND I TAKE THEIR RECYCLING TO THE, UH, PLACE NEAR 66 AND ON WEDNESDAYS, I SEE MR. MURRAY OPERATING THE TRASH FREE CYCLE THERE. SO I WOULD CONGRATULATE HIM ON HIS NEW POSITION, HIS TRASH MAN OUT THE RECYCLE PLACE, PLEASE. YES, SIR. BECAUSE IT LOOKS LIKE A PIG NOT BEING CLEAN THERE. IF YOU SAW ME ON A WEINSTEIN, YOU'RE DUMPING YOUR DUMPING ILLEGALLY. YOU SHOULD BE FINE. OH SIR. MR. HARPER, MR. HARPER, MR. HARPER, MR. MURRAY, NO MORE. YOU'RE DONE. YOU'RE DONE MR. HARPER. WHEN SOMEBODY CHOOSES ME, I, I, I'M NOT DUMPING ON WEDNESDAY COMING FROM YOU. I SAW MR. MURRAY DUMPING ON WEDNESDAY. OKAY, SIR. THIS HAS GOTTEN MR. HARPER, PLEASE. THANK YOU. WE'RE DONE. YEAH. THERE'S NOBODY ELSE. OKAY. SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES, [03:15:01] MA'AM, YOU'RE, YOU'RE MORE THAN WELCOME TO COME UP AND SPEAK WITH US. DOESN'T USE IT. I'M SUSAN. I LIVE ON ROCKLAND ROAD. UM, I'M A CATTLE FARMER, MY HUSBAND AND I ARE CATTLE FARMER FAMILIES. UM, I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO THE SHOOTING THAT I HEAR. I'M VERY MUCH THE LADIES THAT YOU DON'T. I JUST, I'M SORRY. I APOLOGIZE. I JUST, I GUESS I'M SADDENED, UM, TO HEAR WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, THAT THE DISRESPECT FOR THOSE OF US WHO LIVE IN THE COUNTRY AND I'VE BEEN THERE NEARLY 75 YEARS ON A FAMILY FARM FOURTH GENERATION. UM, AND I JUST, I LOVE THE PIECE THERE AND I GUESS THEY HAVE NO RESPECT FOR THAT. I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE TO LIVE IN A QUIET ATMOSPHERE. THERE'S THE COMPLETELY DISREGARD OUR WISH TO LIVE IN A PEACEFUL AND QUIET COMMUNITY. AND I'VE LIVED THERE NEARLY 75 YEARS AND I HAVE NEVER HEARD GUNSHOT, LIKE I'M HEARING NOW FROM THESE PEOPLE. I'VE NEVER HEARD IT BEFORE AND ALL THESE YEARS. AND UM, I'M JUST, I'M JUST VERY SAD AND VITAL. I'M NOT AGAINST THE SECOND AMENDMENT. I KNOW THEY'RE NOT GONNA KILL ANYBODY OR HURT ANYBODY. IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST THE NOISE. IT'S NOT THAT THEY'RE NOT BEING SAFE. AND I KNOW THEY APPRECIATE THEIR FREEDOM, BUT I DON'T. WE COUNT TO DON'T THE PEOPLE THAT WANT TO LIVE ON OUR FARMS AND IN OUR COMMUNITIES AND OUR HOMES. DON'T WE HAVE RIGHTS TO, TO HAVE A PEACEFUL EXISTENCE. I'M JUST TERRIBLY SADDENED TONIGHT. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK THIS PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW CLOSED? WHAT IS THE PLEASURE OF THE BOARD? DO WE HAVE A MOTION FROM THE BOARD I MOVED THERE? THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DENIED THE REQUEST TO AMEND SECTION ONE 77 DASH THREE OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO ADD THE CLEAR BACKS OF DIVISION TO THE LIST OF DESIGNATED LOCATIONS WHERE RECREATIONAL SHOOTING OF FIREARMS IS PROHIBITED. DO WE HAVE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT, DO WE HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSIONS AMONGST THE BOARD? CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MRS. SHIRAKI. YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. COLORS. AYE, MR. FOX. HI, MAY I HAVE, MAY I MAKE A COMMENT, PLEASE? I'VE LISTENED TO EVERYBODY ON BOTH SIDES AND I UNDERSTAND, BUT WHAT I, WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THIS COMMUNITY OR THESE COMMUNITIES THAT WORK AROUND EACH OTHER OR NOT COMMUNICATING WITH EACH OTHER AND THEY ARE NOT COMMUNICATING. FOR WHAT REASON? I DON'T KNOW. I HAVE TALKED TO THESE PEOPLE. I HAVE TALKED TO MR. HARPER. I MEAN, I'VE SPOKEN TO YOU MANY TIMES MR. HARPER. AND IF THERE IS A QUESTION, PROBLEM ARE MOAN FROM ANYBODY. IF Y'ALL WOULD COMMUNICATE, YOU WOULD ELIMINATE THE PROBLEM. IF THERE'S A WEDDING GOING ON AND THEY, AND THEY TALK TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE SHOOTING AND YOU OBVIOUSLY KNOW WHO'S SHOOTING AND WHO'S NOT, YOU TALK TO THEM AND SAY, HEY, WE GOT A WEDDING GOING ON OR, HEY, I'VE GOT A HOUSE SHOWING, WOULD YOU NOT SHOOT BETWEEN TWO AND FOUR? OR WOULD YOU NOT SHOOT ON SATURDAY AFTERNOON? BECAUSE I'VE GOT A PARTY. YOU'RE NOT DOING IT. AND YOU WANT US TO DECIDE FOR EVERYBODY THAT WE'RE GOING TO CHANGE EVERYBODY'S LIFE BECAUSE OF THIS. IT'S A, IT'S A RECREATIONAL COMMUNITY. IT IS A COMMUNITY. WHERE WERE YOU? YOU WENT OUT THERE AND YOU BOUGHT THE LAND KNOWING THAT THERE'S PEOPLE THAT'S GOING TO BE SHOOTING. PEOPLE BEEN LIVING OUT THERE 30 YEARS, 50 YEARS, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SORRY, I'VE GOT AN, I'VE GOT A GOOD OPINION ON THIS. AND I W AND I, AND I WANT VERY SERIOUSLY TO GET Y'ALL TO COMMUNICATE SIX MONTHS FROM NOW. IT MAY BE DIFFERENT, [03:20:01] AND YOU'RE WELCOME TO BRING IT BACK, BUT NOT NOW. AND I I'D LIKE TO SAY I DO RESPECT EVERYBODY'S DIFFERENCE OF ONE WANTING QUIET ONE, NOT, BUT I DID GO OUT AND I DID LOOK, AND IT IS SAFE. UM, AND I HAVE LIVED NEAR A RAILROAD WHERE HONESTLY, I GOT TO THE POINT WHERE I DIDN'T EVEN PAY ANY ATTENTION TO THE RAILROAD WHISTLE. MAYBE THAT'S JUST ME, BUT I LEARNED, I JUST DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION TO IT. I DO LIVE VERY RURAL WHERE THERE'S A LOT OF SHOOTING THAT GOES ON IN MY AREA. I DON'T PAY ANY ATTENTION TO IT. MAYBE I SHOULD MORE THAN I DO, BUT I DON'T. UM, SO THAT JUST WAS NOT ENOUGH OF A REASON TO BE SO RESTRICTIVE. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY MR. BABBITT FROM SEEING YOUR AREA. AND I DO BELIEVE IT'S SAFE. ONE CONCERN I DO HAVE IS THE COUPLE OF TREES THAT ARE RIGHT IN BEHIND YOUR AREA. UM, AND I'M SURE YOU CHECK BEFORE, BUT MY ONLY CONCERN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY CHILDREN ARE IN THE AREA OF, UM, MAYBE CUTTING DOWN A COUPLE OF THEM THAT ARE DIRECTLY BEHIND JUST IN CASE A CHILD WOULD GET IN THERE BETWEEN. RIGHT. THAT WAS THE ONLY THING OF CONCERN I SAW OUT THERE. AND I DO FEEL I DIDN'T SPEAK TO THE OTHER GENTLEMEN, BUT I DO. YOU SEEM VERY REASONABLE. AND YOU SAID BY ALL MEANS, IF ANYONE EVER ASKED YOU TO STOP SHOOTING, OR YOU KNEW A WEDDING WAS GOING ON, YOU WOULDN'T DO THAT ANYWAY. AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU SEEM LIKE AN HONEST MAN, AND I BELIEVE THAT YOU WILL HOLD TRUE TO THAT. DO WE NEED A FIVE MINUTE BREAK, A BIO BREAK FOR ANYBODY? YOU'RE OKAY. YOU'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. YES, I GUESS HE ISN'T. I THINK I'VE GOT IT. I PUT IT ON MY PHONE BECAUSE I WANT TO BE THERE. YEAH, [03:28:45] [F. Approval of Minutes] THE NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE, UM, APPROVAL OF THE MINUTES FOR WORK SESSION, AUGUST 11TH, 20, 20, AND ALSO THE SPECIAL MEETING OF SEPTEMBER 8TH, 2020. UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES? IS THERE A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION, MR. SHIRAKI COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MR. FOX, MS. COLORS. AYE, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. OATS. [G. Appropriations and Transfers] NEXT THING, OUR AGENDA IS THE, UM, APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS. UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPROACH, APPROPRIATIONS AND TRANSFERS? ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? COULD I GET A ROLL CALL, PLEASE? [03:30:01] HI. HI, MS. COLORS. HI, MR. . [H. Approval of Accounts] NEXT IS THE, UH, APPROVAL OF THE ACCOUNTS. IS THERE A MOTION FOR THE APPROVAL OF THE ACCOUNTS OF ACCOUNTS? IS THERE A SECOND, ANY ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION? A ROLL CALL PLEASE. MRS. SHIRAKI. MR. FOX. HI, MS. COLORS, MR. CHAIRMAN, NEXT ON OUR AGENDA [I. Ordinance to Amend and Re-Ordain Section 172-2 of the Warren County Code re: Designating Private Roads in the Linden Heights Subdivision as Highways for Law Enforcement Purposes – Caitlin Jordan] IS THE UNFINISHED BUSINESS OF THE ORDINANCE TO AMEND AND RE OUR DANE SECTION ONE 72 DASH TWO OF THE WARREN COUNTY CODE, UH, REDESIGNING PRIVATE R EXCUSE ME, DESIGNATED PRIVATE ROADS IN LONDON HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION AS HIGHWAYS OF FOR LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. UH, MRS. JORDAN, PLEASE. UH, YES. ON AUGUST 18TH, UH, 2020 A PUBLIC HEARING WAS HELD ON THIS MATTER, BUT DURING THE PUBLIC HEARING, THE BOARD HAD SOME QUESTIONS. SO THIS MATTER WAS PULLED IN THEN PLACE ON THE SEPTEMBER EIGHT WORK SESSION. DURING THAT WORK SESSION, THE BOARD WAS ABLE TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM SHERIFF BUTLER REGARDING THE EFFECT THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS WOULD HAVE ON LAW ENFORCEMENT PROCEDURES WITHIN THE LINDEN HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION, AND ALSO TO ASK HIM QUESTIONS. UM, AND THIS MATTER HAS BEEN PLACED ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA FOR THE BOARD TO MAKE A FINAL DECISION JUST TO SUMMARIZE THE PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO SECTION ONE 72 DASH TWO WOULD REFLECT THE CREATION OF THE LINDEN HEIGHT SUBDIVISION, AND WOULD CLEARLY DESIGNATE THE RIGHTS LOCATED WITHIN LINDEN HEIGHTS, AS HIGHWAYS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT PURPOSES. I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THE BOARD MAY HAVE. UH, IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MRS. JORDAN? NO, I'D LIKE TO MOVE THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS OF MEN AND REORDERING SECTION ONE 72 DASH TWO. OH THE WARREN COUNTY CODE TO DESIGNATE PRIVATE ROADS AND PRIVATE STREETS LOCATED IN THE LINDEN HEIGHTS SUBDIVISION AS HIGHWAYS FOR LONG HORSEMEN. IS THERE A SECOND, ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I THINK WE WENT OVER THIS PRETTY GOOD AT IT. YEAH, WE DID. I THINK IT'D BE VERY HELPFUL, MRS. SHIRAKI COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MISS OATS, MR. CHAIRMAN, MS. COLORS. AYE, MR. FOX. [J. Consent Agenda – To be considered by the Board as a single item] NEXT THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE, UM, SEND AGENDA. ARE THERE, UH, WE'VE ALREADY WENT THROUGH THEM. UH, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE CON CONSENT AGENDA AS AMENDED WITH ITEM NUMBER 10 ADDED THE, UH, SEPTEMBER IS THE, UH, LIBRARY CARD SIGNUP LIST THAT WE ACCEPT THE CONSENT AGENDA AS, UH, WITH THE ADDITION OF ITEM 10. IS THERE A SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE. AYE. MOTION CARRIES. LET'S SEE. THAT'S IT. EXCUSE ME, MR. [Additional Item] CHAIRMAN. YES, SIR. I'LL REMIND YOU THAT WE ARE GOING TO EXTEND THAT THE REPORT TO ALLOW MR. FARRELL UPDATE US. YOU SLIPPED IN UNDER CLOAK OF DARKNESS. IT'S REALLY, YOU'RE FREE TO GIVE YOUR REPORT PLEASE. GOOD EVENING, MR. CHAIRMAN, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I JUST WANT TO GIVE YOU A VERY BRIEF REPORT ON WHERE WE STAND WITH THE CARES ACT FUNDS, UH, WITH RESPECT TO THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL AND THE COUNTY REIMBURSING THE TOWN FOR ROUND ONE EXPENDITURES. UH, THE WARREN COUNTY CARES ACT COMEY MET TODAY. WE REVIEWED APPROXIMATELY 71 FILES FOR APPROXIMATELY $650,000. UH, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO WRAP THAT UP TOMORROW SO WE CAN CUT A CHECK TO THE TOWN, THE FIRST CHECK TO THE TOWN FOR ROUND ONE FOR APPROXIMATELY $650,000. I CURRENTLY HAVE ANOTHER 30 FILES FOR THE COMMITTEE TO REVIEW FOR ABOUT $280,000. AND THEN WE ARE STILL WAITING ON THE RECEIPTS FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE PROJECTS THAT THE TOWN HAS THAT WERE NOT RELATED TO SMALL BUSINESS, THAT THAT WOULD WOULDN'T THAT [03:35:01] BALANCE COVER THE FIRST TRAUNCH OF DOLLARS TO THE TOWN, OR ARE WE STILL SHORT SOME SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY? UH, WE'RE SHORT, WE'RE SHORT, THE PIECE THAT THEY WOULD ALLOCATE TO THE OTHER THINGS THAT WERE NOT LISTED UNDER SMALL BUSINESS. UH, THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IS GATHERING ALL THAT DOCUMENTATION NOW. OKAY. SO WE SHOULD HAVE THAT THIS WEEK OR NEXT WEEK. DO WE, UH, I MEAN, I MAY BE JUMPING THE GUN HERE, BUT DO WE HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT WE'RE SEEING FROM THE COUNTY YET? SO FROM THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW, WE HAVE 43, UH, APPLICATIONS THAT GOT PAST THE COMMISSIONER REVENUE AND WENT INTO THE CARES ACT COMMITTEE FOR REVIEW. WE HAD NINE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE DENIED RIGHT NOW. SO WE'RE THERE SITTING THOSE TO THE SIDE, UH, OF THE 43 APPLICATIONS, IF THEY'RE ALL APPROVED BY THEIR TIER, THAT WOULD HAVE A TOTAL ABOUT $765,000 FOR SMALL BUSINESS. UH, WE ALSO RECEIVED, UH, FIVE NONPROFIT APPLICATIONS, UH, FROM COUNTY NONPROFITS ONLY. AND THE VALUE IF APPROVED, ALL OF THEM WOULD BE ABOUT $95,000. AND WE HAVE, UM, UH, EIGHT APPROVED UTILITY GRANTS, ONE DISAPPROVED UTILITY GRANTS, AND THAT'S FOR ABOUT $6,000. THAT'S GREAT. AND WE SHOULD START CUTTING THE CHAMBER SHOULD START CUTTING CHECKS, UH, MID TO LATE THIS WEEK. TERRIFIC. THANK YOU VERY MUCH, SIR. MR. FAREWELL, I HAVE THIS QUESTION. WHAT IS THE, UM, WHAT IS THE STATUS ON SOMEONE WHO HAS AN AGRICULTURAL BUSINESS, LIKE A WINERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, AND THEY DON'T HAVE, SO THAT IS A GREAT QUESTION. SO OF THE, UH, THE APPLICATIONS THAT I JUST TOLD YOU THAT WE'RE RECEIVING, THAT WOULD BE ONE OF THEM OR ONE OF THE ISSUES THAT WE WOULD TABLE UNTIL WE CLOSED THE FIRST ROUND. ONCE WE CLOSE THE FIRST ROUND AND THEN EVERYTHING THAT WE DENIED ARE SET TO THE SIDE OR THAT WE'VE HEARD OF SUCH AS THIS, UH, OR TOWN NONPROFITS, THERE'S A WHOLE, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF THINGS THAT WE COULD DISCUSS. WE'LL COME BACK AND DISCUSS THAT. AND IF THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO OPEN UP, UH, THE SECOND ROUND TWO, THEN THAT CERTAINLY COULD BE CONSIDERED THAT. OKAY. THANK YOU. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MS. HYDRO. YES, SIR. I MOVE FOR ADJOURN. I HAD ONE THING THAT, UM, IT SEEMS LIKE AT EACH MEETING, UM, WE HAVE SOMEONE WHO COMES IN WITH CONCERNS, UM, WITH THE SHANDRO FARMS AREA. YES. AND I, YOU KNOW, I WOULD LIKE EITHER A WORK SESSION OR SOMEHOW TO START ADDRESSING THOSE CAUSE WE LISTENED TO IT, BUT I DON'T FEEL LIKE WE'RE ADDRESSING THEM. UM, AND I PERSONALLY DON'T WANT TO BE PUT IN A POSITION OF PUSHING IT DOWN THE ROAD AND THEN BEING CAUGHT UP AND NOT DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE AND, UM, BEING IN THE POSITION OF ILLEGAL WAG MAR THERE, BECAUSE WE DID PUSH IT DOWN THE ROAD. SO I'D LIKE TO START EITHER IN A WORK SESSION OR WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE AVENUE IS OF ADDRESSING THEIR CONCERNS AND IS SEEING IF, WHERE THERE'S SMOKE. IS THERE FIRE? IS THIS, IS THERE BASIS OR IS THERE NOT BASIS? I WANT TO ADDRESS IT. OKAY. UM, CAN WE PUT THAT ON A WORK SESSION? I'VE GOT IT. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE THAT. NOW WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. JOURN. SO MOVED SECOND THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.