Nov 10, 2020 Board of Supervisors Work Session

CAUSE THEY'RE BOTH KIND OF THE SIMILAR, THEY WERE BOTH IN THE SAME PACKET, SO I'M CONFUSED.

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GOTCHA.

SO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS THE PROPOSED REPEAL OF CODE SECTION 66 DASH 34, WHICH THEY'RE IN THE SAME PACKET.

SO WE THOUGHT IT WOULD BE MOST EFFICIENT JUST TO ADDRESS THE COYOTE BOUNTIES FIRST AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE RUNNING AT LARGE.

THANK YOU APPROXIMATELY HOW MANY, HOW MANY PEOPLE OUTSIDE OF OUR COUNTY ARE BRINGING BOUNTIES AND TO FRONT ROYAL.

AND DO YOU KNOW IF THOSE COYOTES WERE KILLED IN ROYAL OR WARREN COUNTY? DON'T WE GENERALLY ASK FOR THE PERSON THAT BRINGS INTO GET, PROVIDE AN ACTUAL ADDRESS THAT THEY KILLED THE COYOTE ON.

UM, AND IT'S JUST UNDER GOOD FAITH.

WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THEY PROVIDE US AS THE ADDRESS WITHIN WARREN COUNTY, THAT THEY ACTUALLY KILLED THE COYOTE ON.

UM, AND AS FAR IT EXACT NUMBER, NO, SIR, I DON'T HAVE THAT.

UM, I DO BELIEVE WE'VE PAID OUT APPROXIMATELY $800 A YEAR IN COYOTE BOUNTIES, BUT AS FAR AS THE NUMBER OF WHO IS COMING FROM OUTSIDE, I DON'T HAVE THAT FIGURE FOR YOU.

NOW, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU CAN TELL WHERE THEY'RE COMING, THE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM, THEY SHOULD HAVE SOME SORT OF LETTER THAT SAYS WE WANT TO HUNT ON.

YES, WE DO.

WE ASK FOR A COPY OF THEIR DRIVER'S LICENSE.

UM, SOME HAVE BEEN FROM FAUQUIER, SOME HAVE BEEN FROM CHANDELA COUNTY.

UM, AND THEN, YEAH, BECAUSE WHEN IT'S, WHEN THIS CAME UP, I LOOKED AT SOME PAST ONES BECAUSE WE DO THEM A LOT.

UH, AND NOTICE THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE FROM WINCHESTER, FROM STRAUSBERG, FROM LOUDON COUNTY.

I MEAN, THEY'RE, THEY'RE ALL OVER.

THAT'S ALL I HAVE.

THE RUNNING AT LARGE ORDINANCE APPLIES TO.

AND IF I MAY JUST TO CLARIFY AND REVIEW IN THIS TODAY, UM, IT IS NOT IN YOUR PACKET, BUT IF THE, IF THE BOARD DOES APPROVE TO REPEAL SECTION 66 DASH 34, UM, THERE WILL ALSO NEED TO BE A CHANGE DONE TO 66 DASH 35, WHICH IS THE PENALTIES FOR FALSE CLAIMS. IT JUST MAKES A NOTE THAT, UM, YOU CAN BE PENALIZED IF YOU MAKE A FALSE CLAIM IN ORDER TO RECEIVE A COYOTE BOUNTY, BUT THAT WILL BE WHEN WE MOVE FORWARD, THAT WILL BE INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET.

UM, IT'S A MINOR CHANGE TO THAT, TO THE 66 DASH 35, BUT I DID WANT TO AT LEAST BRING IT TO YOUR ATTENTION.

SO YOU WEREN'T SURPRISED WHEN IT COMES BEFORE THE BOARD AGAIN, AND THAT WOULD BE AN EMOTION.

YES, YES, YES.

AND WE DON'T HAVE TO VOTE ON ANYTHING TONIGHT.

IF, UM, IF YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COYOTES, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE, UM, PROPOSED CHANGES IN REGARDS TO THE DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE.

SO THIS CODE SECTION, UM, SECTION, UM, WHAT WE HAVE AN ARTICLE OF RUNNING OUT LARGE AND SPECIFICALLY CODE SECTION 66 DASH 28.

UM, THERE ARE, IT NEEDS TO BE AMENDED IN ORDER TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH STATE LAW AND, UM, MARCH OF 2019, THE STATE LEGISLATURE APPROVED AMENDMENTS TO, UM, THE STATE CODE SECTION THAT GIVES LOCALITIES THE ABILITY TO ENACT RUNNING AT LARGE ORDINANCES.

AND THE FIRST CHANGES THAT THEY MADE, WHERE THEY REMOVED THE TERM SELF HUNTING FROM THE DEFINITION OF RUNNING AT LARGE.

SO THAT WOULD NEED TO BE REMOVED FROM OUR LOCAL ORDINANCE.

THEY ALSO ADDED THE EXCEPTION FOR HUNTING DOGS.

SO IF YOU HAVE, UM, DOGS THAT ARE OUT ON A HUNT WITH YOU, THEN YOU WOULD NOT, YOUR DOG WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED RUNNING OUT LARGE.

THAT LANGUAGE HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN OUR PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE CODE SECTION.

AND THEN LASTLY, THE STATE CODE INCLUDED A PROHIBITION ON DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE, IN A PACT.

AND THIS STATE CODE ALSO PROVIDES A DEFINITION FOR WHAT THAT MEANS, AND THEN ALSO A CIVIL PENALTY.

SO WHAT, UM, I HAVE DONE IS IN REGARDS TO SECTION 66 DASH 28, THE RUNNING AT LARGE AND A PACK HAS BEEN ADDED AS WELL AS THE DEFINITION.

AND THEN, UM, IN CODE SECTION 66 DASH 29, THAT HAS BEEN AMENDED TO ALSO ADD THE CIVIL PENALTIES FOR HAVING A DOG RUN AT LARGE IN A PACK.

UM, AND THEN SECTION 66 DASH 31 HAS BEEN AMENDED TO ALSO NOTED THE ADDED RUNNING DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE IN A PACT.

AND IN REGARDS TO SECTION 66 DASH 32, CURRENTLY WE HAVE, I THINK ABOUT 24 SPECIFIC SUBDIVISIONS THAT

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HOWEVER, THE STATE CODE ALLOWS LOCALITIES TO APPLY THE RUNNING LARGE ORDINANCES TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT JUST SPECIFIC, UM, PLACES.

SO WHAT, UM, SERGEANT GOMEZ AND I DISCUSSED IS THAT PROCEDURALLY TO ENFORCE THIS, IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO HAVE THIS, UM, ARTICLE APPLIED TO THE ENTIRE COUNTY, NOT JUST SPECIFIC SUBDIVISIONS, UM, BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN ISSUES WHICH I'LL HAVE SERGEANT GOMEZ GO INTO MORE DETAILED, BUT A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO, UM, ARE HAVING ISSUES WITH RUNNING WITH DOGS, RUNNING AT LARGE ON THEIR PROPERTY, DON'T HAVE THIS PROTECTION AND THERE'S NOT MUCH THAT, UM, THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS CAN DO TO HELP.

AND SO THIS WOULD JUST ENSURE THAT THIS IS AN ADDITIONAL, UM, PROTECTION FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY, NOT JUST SPECIFIC SUBDIVISIONS.

AND SO THAT'S WHY, UM, SECTION 66 DASH 32 HAS BEEN REPEALED, UM, COMPLETELY STRICKEN.

AND THEN CODE SECTION 66 DASH 28 HAS BEEN CHANGED JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S CLEAR THAT RUNNING DOGS CAN RUN AT LARGE WITHIN THE ENTIRE COUNTY OF WARREN COUNTY, BUT YOU'RE STILL TALKING ABOUT A PACK OF DOGS, NOT ONE, NO, THIS WOULD APPLY.

THIS WOULD APPLY TO BOTH RUNNING OUT LARGE DOGS WHO RUN AT LARGE, WHICH WOULD JUST BE ONE, YEAH, AS WELL AS DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE IN THE PACK, WHICH IS, UM, AT LEAST TWO OR MORE DOGS RUNNING TOGETHER AT LARGE, IF, UM, DELORES, HIS DOG GOT OUT AND SHE'S CHASING IT, IT WOULD BE UNFAIR FOR HER TO BE FINE FOR HER DOG RUNNING AND ANIMAL CONTROL HAVING TO COME UP AND POSSIBLY FOND IT BECAUSE IT STOPPED AT A NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE AND THEY CALLED, THEY CALLED THE POLICE OR SHERIFF AND SHERIFF CAME AND THEY TOOK THE DOGWOOD.

WELL, I THINK MAYBE BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT QUESTION, IT MIGHT BE BEST TO HAVE SERGEANT GOMEZ TO TALK ABOUT HOW THIS IS REALLY BEING CARRIED OUT REAL LIFE AND SOME OF THE ISSUES THAT SHE'S SEEN AND HOW IT WOULD, UM, WOULD HELP THE ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS.

SORRY, I JUMPED THE GUN EARLIER, CAUSE IT WAS ALL TOGETHER IN ONE PACKAGE WITH A BUNCH OF ORDINANCE NUMBERS.

SO WE'RE SEEING AS WE'RE GETTING FREQUENT CALLS FROM PEOPLE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, UM, ASKING, YOU KNOW, FOR PROTECTIONS FROM BASICALLY DOGS THAT ARE A NUISANCE, UM, NOT A ONE-TIME THING, BUT WE DO HAVE FREQUENT FLYERS AS I LIKE TO CALL THEM THAT WE PICK UP, UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A ACCIDENT, SOMETIMES WE, YOU KNOW, WE JUST RETURN THE DOG HOME TO THE PERSON.

IF WE KNEW WHERE IT LEAVES OR GOES TO THE SHELTER, THEY DO HAVE TO PAY A FINE AT THE SHELTER WHEN THEY GET IT OUT BECAUSE THE SHELTER HAS SEPARATE FEES FROM US.

UM, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS WE ALREADY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 30 SUBDIVISIONS WITHIN WARREN COUNTY THAT ALREADY HAVE THOSE PROTECTIONS.

AND THEN, UM, SUBDIVISIONS SUCH AS BLUE RIDGE SHADOWS, THEIR HOA RECENTLY CALLED AND ASKED WHAT THE PROCESS WAS BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO HAVE THAT SUBDIVISION WITH THE PROTECTION AGAINST DOGS RUNNING AT LARGE.

SO IF YOU LIVE IN ONE OF THE SUBDIVISIONS THAT HAVE PROTECTIONS, BY ALL MEANS, I CAN CHARGE A DOG, A DOG OWNER WHO HAS A DOG THAT'S CONSTANTLY GETTING OUT, GETTING INTO SOMEONE'S TRASH, GOING TO THE BATHROOM AND THEIR YARD.

IF YOU LIVE OUTSIDE, ONE OF THOSE SUBDIVISIONS, YOU DON'T HAVE THE SAME PROTECTION.

SO I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

SO IF YOU HAVE A NEW DOG, THAT'S ALWAYS OUT, IT'S GETTING INTO YOUR TRASH, IT'S TEARING UP THINGS ON YOUR PROPERTY, IT'S GOING TO THE BATHROOM OF YOUR YARD.

UM, OR MAYBE IT'S POTENTIALLY TRYING TO GET INTO A FIGHT WITH A DOG THAT LIVES AT THAT RESIDENCE.

I REALLY JUST HAVE TO SAY UNTIL HE GETS TO THE POINT OF DANGEROUS DOG WHERE THERE'S ACTUALLY A DOG ATTACK, UM, I CAN'T DO ANYTHING.

AND I'M SORRY.

SO EXAMPLE IN STROUDSBURG ROAD PO DRIVE THAT SUBDIVISION IS PROTECTED AGAINST THE RUNNING AT LARGE ORDINANCE, BUT IF YOU LIVE ON STROUDSBURG ROAD, UM, OR ONE OF THE ROADS BESIDE IT, UM, I CAN'T HELP YOU.

UM, SO THE BIGGEST THING HERE IS THAT EVERYONE IN WARREN COUNTY HAS THE SAME PROTECTIONS, NOT JUST PEOPLE IN CERTAIN SUBDIVISIONS.

AND THE BIGGEST THING TOO IS FOR US IS THAT WE HATE THAT IT HAS TO GET TO A POINT OF DANGEROUS DOG, UM, BECAUSE IT'S PRETTY EXPENSIVE.

UM, AND A LOT OF PEOPLE CAN'T MEET THE STANDARDS AND THEY ENDED UP LOSING THEIR DOG, UM, WHICH IS TERRIBLE.

UM, BUT ALSO WE HAVE TO HAVE PROTECTIONS AGAINST DOGS OF GOOD COME AGGRESSIVE.

AND A LOT OF TIMES DOGS ARE BEING TERRITORIAL AND PROTECTING THEIR PROPERTY.

UM, BUT WE DON'T HAVE A MEDIUM GROUND.

WE EITHER HAVE NOTHING OR WE HAVE DANGEROUS DOG.

NOW WE DO HAVE INTIMIDATING DOG, BUT IT'S WRITTEN IN SUCH A WAY THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN OUT ON THE ROADWAY.

ANYWAY, IT COULDN'T HAPPEN LIKE IN SOMEONE'S OWN YARD.

UM, SO THE BIGGEST THING IS JUST TO MAKE SURE EVERYONE IN THE COUNTY IS EQUALLY PROTECTED.

WHAT KIND OF FINE IS IT? IF SOMEBODY DON'T GETS OUT, I BELIEVE IT IS A DOLLARS FINE.

IS THAT CORRECT? KAITLIN? IT IS FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE.

UM, CURRENTLY IT'S NOT IN HERE CAUSE IT'S IN A DIFFERENT SECTION WITHIN THE CODE.

YEAH, IT WASN'T IN HERE.

IT IS A CLASS

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FOUR MISDEMEANOR, THE $50 FINE OR FOR THE FIRST OFFENSE.

AND THEN I BELIEVE A HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR THE FOUR ADDITIONAL OFFENSES FOR EACH ADDITIONAL OFFENSE.

UM, I MAY ACTUALLY HAVE IT.

IT IS.

I'VE FOUND IT, UM, IS SAID THAT THAT IS FOR JUST A RUNNING AT LARGE FOR THE RUNNING AT LARGE, IN A PACK.

IT IS A CIVIL PENALTY OF A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

IT CAN BE NO MORE THAN A HUNDRED DOLLARS.

THE BOARD HAS THE DISCRETION TO DO LOTS OF FITBITS, BUT THE STATE HAS SET THE MAXIMUM AT A HUNDRED DOLLARS PER ADULT.

HOW MUCH IS THIS GOING TO AFFECT YOUR CAPABILITY OF BEING BUSY OR NOT BUSY OR TOO BUSY? SO WE'RE BUSY NO MATTER WHAT.

SO, UM, BUT JUST THIS YEAR ALONE, WE ALREADY, WE ARE ALREADY BESIDES ANIMAL WELFARE CALLS RUNNING AT LARGE IS PROBABLY OUR SECOND HEAVIEST CALL VOLUME.

AND THAT WE HAVE APPROXIMATELY AT LEAST THIS YEAR 800 CALLS FOR RUNNING AT LARGE.

UM, LAST YEAR, I THINK IT WAS 900 CALLS FOR RUNNING AT LARGE.

UM, AND LIKE I SAID, WE GENERALLY, WE REALLY TRY AND WORK WITH PEOPLE AND GET DOGS BACK HOME.

CAUSE THAT'S WHAT WE WANT TO DO.

THAT'S WHERE THEY'RE THE BEST LOCATION FOR THEM TO BE.

UM, BUT IT'S REALLY DESIGNED FOR THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE, IF IT'S A NUISANCE OR A PROBLEM, WE HAVE SOME TIPS, SOMEBODY LIKE ME, WHOSE DOG BREAKS THROUGH THE ELECTRIC FENCE THAT WITH THE FENCE DOWN OR SOMETHING AND GOES IN A NOISE, MY NEIGHBORS ISN'T GOING TO HAVE TO PAY A $50 FINE.

ESSENTIALLY IF IT WAS CONTINUAL PROBLEM.

YES MA'AM OKAY.

IF YOU SAY MY DOGS GET OUT OF THE YARD AND I CALL AND SAY, MY DOGS ARE OUT, I'M LOOKING FOR THEM.

YOU'RE ON THE LOOKOUT.

IF YOU FIND THEM BEFORE I DO, DO YOU BRING THEM BACK TO ME BECAUSE YOU KNOW, OR YEAH.

OR IF, OR WE ASK PERMISSION, USUALLY IF WE CAN GIVE YOUR INFORMATION OUT.

SO IF SOMEONE DOES FIND YOUR DOG AND THEN WE'LL CALL YOU AND SAY, HEY, YOUR DOG'S AT THIS LOCATION, CAN YOU GO PICK IT UP? SO IT DOESN'T AUTOMATICALLY GO TO THE DOG POUND? NO, MA'AM, IF WE CAN GET THE DOG BACK TO HOME TO YOU, WE ABSOLUTELY CAN.

BUT IF YOU'RE NOT HOME OR WE CAN'T REACH YOU, THAT'S THE ONLY PLACE WE HAVE TO TAKE THE ANIMAL.

NOW WHEN IT, YOU KNOW, HOW DO YOU TELL WHEN IT'S, UH, A PACK OR LIKE IF MY DOGS WENT OVER TO THE NEIGHBORS AND NOW THEY'RE A PACK THEN THEY'RE, I MEAN, THAT'S CONSIDERED A PACK.

SO THE IDEA WITH A PACK OF DOGS AS USUALLY, AND DO YOU HAVE A PACK OF DOGS RUNNING AND THEN THEY GET INTO PEOPLE'S LIVES STOCKS, OR A LOT OF TIMES WHEN DOGS JOIN A PACK, THAT'S WHEN WE DO SEE DOG ATTACKS, BECAUSE THEN THEY GET IN THIS PACK MENTALITY THAT WE CALL IT AND THEY GET INTO NUISANCE.

IT'S LIKE TEENAGERS AWAY FROM THEIR PARENTS AND THEY GET INTO THINGS, KIND OF GET CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW, MY DOGS GET FOR THE FIRST TIME AND THEY RUN OVER BECAUSE THE NEIGHBOR'S GOT A COUPLE OF DOGS, THAT'S GOING TO BE CONSIDERED A PACK NOW, OR THAT'S KIND OF A ONE-TIME THING.

AND IT'S NOT, AGAIN, IT'S ONE OF THE THINGS IF THEY GET OUT AND THEY'RE JUST RUNNING LOOSE AND EVERY, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GET THEM BACK HOME TO YOU.

BUT THE IDEA BEHIND IT IS TO PROVIDE PROTECTIONS FOR WHEN THERE IS DOG ATTACKS, THERE'S VIOLENT INCIDENCES AND TRY AND PREVENT SOMETHING BEFORE IT GETS TO AN ELEVATED LEVEL.

AND JUST TO CLARIFY THAT, THAT EXAMPLE, IF THE DOGS REMAIN ON YOUR NEIGHBOR'S PROPERTY, THE NEIGHBOR STALLS WOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED RUNNING AT LARGE BECAUSE THEY'RE STILL IN THEIR OWNER'S PROPERTY, BUT YOURS WOULD BE RUNNING AT LARGE.

BUT IF THAT'S YOUR ONLY DOG, THEN IT WOULD JUST BE RUNNING AT LARGE, NOT RUNNING IN LARGE IN THE PATH HE'S WITH OTHER TIMES I WANTED TO CLARIFY WHAT'S WHAT'S CONSIDERED A PACK, A LONG-TERM THESE ARE WILD DOGS BECAUSE WHEN I THINK OF PACK, THAT'S WHAT I KIND OF THINK OF THE DOGS.

LIKE YOU HAVE THE FERAL CAT PROBLEM.

UM, BUT AGAIN, IDEAS NOT TO PUNISH GOOD PEOPLE THAT HAVE ACCIDENTS, IDEAS FOR NUISANCE PEOPLE, UM, OR NIECE'S DOG OWNERS, OR TO TRY AND PREVENT SOMETHING FURTHER FROM HAPPENING.

AND WE ALREADY HAVE ABOUT 30 SUBDIVISIONS.

AND JUST TRYING TO BE FAIR TO EVERYONE IN THE YES, SIR.

QUICK QUESTION.

YOU SAID THERE WERE ABOUT 800 CALLS.

SO ANY IDEA ROUGHLY HOW MANY OF THESE ARE INDIVIDUAL SOMEBODY'S DOG BROKE, LOOSE AND GOT OUT IN THE WOODS OR SOMETHING VERSUS YOUR FREQUENT FLYERS THAT ARE REGULARLY LOOSE AND RUNNING, HAVE THAT PERCENTAGE FOR YOU, SIR? UM, I WOULD SAY IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE TH THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE, MOST DOGS THAT WE GET BACK HOME TO THEIR OWNERS.

IT USUALLY IS AN ACCIDENT LIKE YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT, THAT'S PROBABLY GONNA BE 10% OF OUR CALL VOLUME.

THE REST ARE, YOU KNOW, SAME CALL.

WILL TELL YOU WHEN MY DOGS GET LOOSE, I'M TRAUMATIZED ALREADY.

SO IT'S THAT GROUP.

AND THAT'S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO CLARIFY BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT, I MEAN, I

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SO THE LAST THING I WANT TO DO TO OTHER PEOPLE IS FIND THEM FOR AN ACCIDENT AND THEY'RE ALREADY TRAUMATIZED CAUSE THEIR DOGS RUNNING LOOSE IN THERE.

AND THEN WE ALSO WANT TO PUT, IT'S NOT JUST A FOR, TO PROTECT PEOPLE FROM NUISANCE DOGS, JUST LIKE YOU SAID, IT'S TO PROTECT THAT DOG TOO.

IF THERE IS SOMETHING HERE SAYING, HEY, POTENTIALLY HE COULD GET IT RUNNING AT LORD'S CHARGE.

IT WOULD HELP US AND KEEPING DOGS HOME.

THEY'RE NOT GETTING HIT BY A CAR, YOU KNOW, BAD THINGS HAPPENING TO THEM, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO WE'RE HOPING IT WILL BE AN INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE TO MAINTAIN THEIR DOG, MAINTAIN THEIR DOGS AND KEEP THEM HOME.

MA'AM ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN, A COUPLE OF TIMES, BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ASKED ABOUT OUR PAYMENTS TO THE HUMANE SOCIETY FOR THE CARE OF THE ANIMALS.

AND I WONDERED IF YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO JUST SPEAK TO THAT FOR A MINUTE ARE SEPARATE ENTITIES AND I DO NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION I CAN PROVIDE TO YOU, SHERIFF CAN.

CAN YOU PLEASE JUST, JUST TO ANSWER THEIR QUESTION ABOUT WHAT IT'S ABOUT, THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR TIME.

SERGEANT GOMEZ EXPLAINED THE HUMANE SOCIETY IS DIFFERENT FROM THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

THAT 320,000 IS FOR THEM TO FUNCTION.

A DOG POUND WOULD COST US ASTRONOMICAL AMOUNTS OF MONEY.

SO THE, WHAT WE HAVE THERE IS ACTUALLY AN AMAZING, UM, COST SAVINGS FOR OUR COUNTY.

I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND IT EITHER.

WHEN I FIRST SAW MY BUDGET AND THEN I WAS LOSING MY MIND.

BUT ONCE WE SAT DOWN AND ACTUALLY SPOKE WITH THE HUMANE SOCIETY, WE REALIZED IN ORDER FOR US TO TAKE THIS OVER THIS ENTITY OVER BY ITSELF AND US RUN IT COMPLETELY, IT WOULD COST US MILLIONS TO EVEN GET IT STARTED.

UM, THAT MONEY ACTUALLY, IF WE, IF YOU BALANCE IT OUT, IT LOOKS LIKE IT COSTS US A LOT OF MONEY PER DOG.

BUT ACTUALLY WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT IS A BUILDING THAT COSTS US, I THINK, A DOLLAR TO BE IN BECAUSE OF THE NONPROFIT THAT IT'S, THAT IT'S JUST AN EXTREMELY, UM, LOW COST FOR THE COUNTY CONSIDERING.

AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ANIMAL CONTROLS, SERGEANT GOMEZ IS A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? OUR CALLS ARE OUT OF THE ROOF AND THE CALL VOLUMES HAVE INCREASED FROM, I BELIEVE IT'S 2000 CALLS TO 4,000 CALLS IN THE LAST 10 YEARS, FIVE YEARS, I'M SORRY, FIVE YEARS.

AND WE HAVEN'T INCREASED OUR ACS.

WE'RE STILL DEALING WITH THE SAME AMOUNT OF STAFFING THERE AND THAT'S STARTING TO GOMEZ AND HER CREW WHO JUST WORKED TIRESOMELY AND CONSTANTLY WORKING WITH NOT ONLY THE DOGS THAT LARGE, THE COYOTES, THE RACCOONS, THE BATS, THE COWS DEER.

IT DOESN'T MATTER.

THEY'RE DEALING WITH IT AND MY HATS OFF TO THEM BECAUSE THEY REALLY DO A FANTASTIC JOB.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS YOU LEFT? EX-CONS DID YOU LEAVE OUT SKUNKS? RIGHT.

THANK YOU, SIR.

NEXT ON OUR AGENDA IS A DISCUSSION AND THE OVERVIEW OF THE DEPARTMENT OF THE FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES.

SURE.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, KATELYN.

AND JUST SAY THE BOARD'S AWARE.

I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO BRING THIS BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AND AT FIRST ASKED FOR A REQUEST TO ADVERTISE IN JANUARY, THE FIRST MEETING IN JANUARY, AND THEN HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING AT THE LAST MEETING IN JANUARY.

[C. Discussion – Overview of the Department of Fire and Rescue Services – Chief Richard Mabie]

UM, CHIEF, MAYBE A LITTLE JEALOUS THAT I WAS AHEAD OF HIM.

UH, MR. CHAIRMAN MEMBERS OF THE BOARD WERE TICKLED TO DEATH TO COME FOR YOU TO SEE THEM.

AND, UH, I'M DOING LIKE I'VE TAKEN SOME TIPS FROM THE SHERIFF, UH, AND HOW TO PROMOTE OUR DEPARTMENT A LITTLE MORE.

BUT, UH, I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE NOT IN A BIT, YOU'RE IN A BIG HURRY TO GET AWAY FROM HERE TONIGHT.

SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME THIS EVENING.

THANK YOU KNOW, WE'RE HERE FOR YOU, SIR.

UM, YOU SEE, I BROUGHT STAFF SO WE CAN BEAT UP ON YOU A LITTLE BIT WITH QUANTITY.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE.

UM, SINCE I'M THE OLD GUY, UH, I SAW WHAT YOU WERE GOING.

UM, THEY GAVE ME THE PART ABOUT INTRODUCING TO THE DEPARTMENT AND HOW WE GOT STARTED BACK IN 1995.

I'LL TRY TO MAKE IT BRIEF.

UM, UH, SOME OF THE GUYS LIKE MR. FOX HAS BEEN AROUND FOREVER AND, AND, AND SO FORTH.

HE KNOWS THIS.

SO, UH, IF YOU GET TIRED OF HEARING IT, JUST GIVE ME AN EMOTION AND I'LL I'LL STOP.

UM, I CAME HERE IN 1995, UH, FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO COME TO WARREN COUNTY.

I DIDN'T REALLY KNOW WHERE WARREN COUNTY WAS AT THE TIME.

I PROBABLY SHOULDN'T HAVE SAID THAT, BUT AFTER 25 YEARS, IT'S MY HOME.

UH, AS YOU KNOW, I'M GETTING READY TO RETIRE AND 18, 18 WORKING DAYS IT'S TOO MUCH, BUT I GOT TO TAKE DOWN, ACTUALLY.

I DIDN'T EVEN THINK OF THAT.

WE'RE STILL LOSING VOLUNTEERS.

I DID HAVE IT ON A CALENDAR, TWO CALENDARS AT HOME AND IT WAS SENT ME TO CAL.

I GOT TWO CALENDARS TO GO SO 18 WORKING DAYS BECAUSE WE'RE FORTUNATE ENOUGH THAT BETWEEN THE STATE AND THE COUNTY, WE GET PLENTY OF DAYS OFF AND, UH, IN DECEMBER AND NOVEMBER ANYWAY, AND I GOT A BUNCH OF DAYS I HAVE TO TAKE, OR I LOSE THEM.

AND, UM, YOU KNOW, I DON'T PARTICULARLY WANT TO HAVE TO DO THAT, BUT ANYWAY, SO IT WAS 1995.

AND WHEN I CAME HERE, UM, UM, ON MY FIRST DAY HERE, I FOUND OUT THAT I WAS, UH, I WAS A FIRE CHIEF WHEN I SIGNED ALL MY PAPERS.

UH, I FOUND OUT I'M A FIRE CHIEF.

NOW I DIDN'T HAVE A DEPARTMENT.

UH, BECAUSE AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO ORGANIZED DEPARTMENT IN WARREN COUNTY.

THERE WAS A NINE, NINE, UH, COMPANY.

THEY WERE ALL, UH, UH, LIKE MOST OF THEM ARE NOW.

THEY WERE ALL INCORPORATED THEIR OWN CORPORATIONS AND SO FORTH.

AND I THINK THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS BACK THEN HAD LOST A FAIR AMOUNT OF OVERSIGHT.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY REPRESENTING THEM TO THE BOARD.

UH, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANYBODY INDIVIDUALLY THAT DID A BUDGET.

THERE WAS NO BIG BUDGET.

YOU KNOW, EACH COMPANY GOT PRETTY MUCH WHAT THEY WENT TO THE BOARD AND, AND JUSTIFIED AND SO FORTH.

SO MY FIRST DUTIES, UH, AS THE FIRE CHIEF WAS DEVELOPING A DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES BY ORDINANCE FOR THE COUNTY.

UM, AND IT WAS NOT VERY POPULAR AT FIRST, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME RESERVATIONS BECAUSE THEY GAVE YOU ANOTHER LEVEL OF BUREAUCRACY BETWEEN THEM AND THE, UH, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND SO FORTH.

BUT, UH, I FIGURED I MUST'VE DONE SOMETHING RIGHT, BECAUSE I'M STILL HERE AFTER 25 YEARS.

SO, UM, WE, WE, WE PUT TOGETHER THE AUDIT'S WORKING WITH THE CHIEFS AND THE PRESIDENTS OF THE COMPANIES.

AND IT WAS A, IT WAS A MODEL THAT, UM, THAT I HAD FROM HANOVER COUNTY WHERE I WAS A VOLUNTEER AND, UH, PRETTY MUCH WE MOLDED WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES AFTER THAT, UH, THAT MODEL THAT THEY HAD.

AND WITH THAT SAID, UM, WE BECAME THE ADMINISTRATION, IF YOU WILL, OVER THE, THE VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENTS.

CAUSE AT THE TIME WE DIDN'T HAVE CAREER STAFF IN WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE SERVICES.

THEY DID HAVE FOUR, UM, EMPLOYEES, FIREFIGHTERS AT THE FRONT ROW STATION THAT THEY PAID OUT OF CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE COUNTY AND THE TOWN AND THE TOWN INCLUDED THEM IN THEIR, UH, NOT ONLY THEIR PAYROLL, BUT THEIR, UH, UM, SO THEY COULD GET BENEFITS AND, UH, AND THE RETIREMENT AND SO FORTH, THE TOWN ADMINISTERED, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF DIRECTION, YOU KNOW, FOR A COUNTY.

AS SOON AFTER THAT, THAT WE HAD A FIRE ADMINISTRATION, THE TOWN CAME TO THE COUNTY AND SAID, WOW, WE'RE DUPLICATING SERVICES HERE.

LET'S SEE IF WE CAN SAVE SOME MONEY.

SO NOW THAT YOU HAVE A FIRE CHIEF, WE WERE GOING TO GIVE YOU THESE FOUR EMPLOYEES.

SO BASICALLY, AND THAT'S THE SHORT OF IT.

IT WAS A LITTLE MORE IN DETAIL.

SO, UH, BASICALLY WE TOOK OVER, UM, THE SUPERVISION MANAGEMENT AND CONTROL OF THE FALLEN, UH, FOUR CREW STATIONS AND THE VOLUNTEER FIRE AND RESCUE DEPARTMENTS.

UM, SOON AFTER WE, UH, UH, AS, AS THINGS HAVE TRANSFORMED IN TWENTY-FIVE YEARS.

AND YOU'LL SEE IN JUST A MINUTE, WE BEGAN AS FAR BACK AS THEN LOSING VOLUNTEERS.

YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY GETS A LIFE SOMETIME EVERYBODY, UH, UM, HAS, UH, THEY WANT THEIR PIECE OF THE PIE, YOU KNOW, WITH THE RURAL TANS OR, UH, OR, UH, THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

AND, UH, WE BEGAN LOSING VOLUNTEERS.

UM, AND WE HAVE EVER SINCE THAT POINT TO, UH, TO WHERE WE WERE PROBABLY AT AN ALL TIME LOW NOW.

AND WE'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT HERE IN

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A MINUTE.

BUT PART OF MY DUTIES WAS, UH, UH, WAS CERTAINLY TO MANAGED THE OPERATIONS OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UM, THE PART THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND NECESSARILY IN LIGHT IS TO IDENTIFY STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES IN THE SYSTEM AND, AND TRY TO PUT IN PROGRAMS AND SO FORTH TO, UH, TO REMEDY THOSE STRENGTHS, UH, AS HARD AS WE HAVE WORKED.

AND, UH, I THINK, YOU KNOW, THAT IT'S HARD AS, UH, AS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS WORKED IN STATE GOVERNMENT.

THIS ISN'T EXCLUSIVE TO WARREN COUNTY, YOU KNOW, IF IT WAS, WE CERTAINLY HAD SOME AVENUES TO TRY TO FIX THAT, BUT WE'RE, WE'RE AT A POINT NOW WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, ESPECIALLY TODAY, IT'S, UH, IT'S NOT AS, UH, UH, LUCRATIVE, YOU KNOW, NEAT JOB ANYMORE AS IT ONCE WAS.

AND HE COVID KILLED US.

UM, I BET SAY WE'RE, WE'RE PRAYING EVERY DAY WHEN IT'S, COVID, UH, IT STARTS LOSING ITS, UH, IT'S, UH, IT'S BANG.

THEN WE GO BACK TO SOME NORMALCY THAT YOU, PEOPLE WILL COME BACK.

THE BAD PART IS ONCE YOU GET A TASTE OF NO TRAINING, YOU'RE NOT GETTING UP AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING ANYMORE.

YOU KNOW, YOU'RE NOT TAKING A THREE HOUR TRIP TO, AND FROM WINCHESTER, IT'S HARD TO GET THESE PEOPLE BACK, BUT CERTAINLY WE HAVE PEOPLE THAT ARE, THAT ARE WORKING ON THAT AND IT'S, UH, IT, THE COVID IS OUT OF OUR HANDS, SO TO SPEAK, BUT THAT SEEMS TO BE OUR BIG THING.

NOW WE DO FIND ON FIRES OR BOTTLE OF FED RED TRUCK.

NO, BUT THAT AMBULANCE, THEY JUST, YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S AN HOUR AND A HALF RIDE JUST TO WARREN AND BACK HOME.

SO WE RUN INTO THOSE, THOSE KINDS OF PROBLEMS. UM, WE'VE DURING THAT TIME AND I'M GOING TO DROP IT, JUMP AHEAD A LITTLE BIT.

UM, ONE OF THE BIGGEST, AND PROBABLY THINGS THAT I'M MOST PROUD OF, OF BEING HERE THERE ARE MANY IS, UH, AND THIS HAS BEEN ONE THAT HAS REALLY HELPED THE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

BELIEVE IT OR NOT IS WHEN THE COUNTY TOOK OVER THE EMS SYSTEM AND THE COUNTY, UH, THE COMPANIES WERE ABLE TO RIDE ON OUR LICENSE FOR ONE.

UH, WE TOOK CARE OF ALL THE PAPERWORK, ALL OF THE INSPECTIONS FOR THE AMBULANCES, WHERE AS YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE'RE EVEN BUYING AMBULANCES, UH, BY THE WAY THAT, UH, Y'ALL APPROVED THE REQUEST FOR ONE ON A GRANT HERE A COUPLE OF MONTHS AGO.

AND I GOT THE SCORES THE OTHER DAY AND WE WERE THE TOP IN THE REGION.

SO I EXPECT THAT WE'LL, WE'LL FARE PRETTY WELL, UH, WITH THAT.

AND IT'S, UM, W I JUST GOT MY LAST COMPANY IN THE COUNTY TO COME UP TO ME AND WANT TO JOIN THAT.

IT'S, IT'S REALLY A NO BRAINER IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT, BECAUSE WE PURCHASED THE AMBULANCE, WE PUT IT IN THEIR STATION, WE MAINTAIN IT, WE GIVE THEM FUEL, WE INSURE IT.

THERE'S NOT A PENNY COST TO, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE, ALL WE ASK THEM TO DO IS STAFF IT.

SO THAT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE BEST PROGRAMS THAT, UH, UH, THAT WE HAVE PUT IN PLACE IN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU WAS, UH, IT'S UNHEARD OF AROUND US, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, THERE'S STILL A LOT OF, UH, UH, THE VOLUNTEERS.

THEY, THEY WANT TO KEEP THAT THING, BUT THEY, AND WE HAD THAT AT FIRST, YOU KNOW, WE HAD THAT, UH, BUT THEY FOUND OUT THAT, YOU KNOW, THIS IS A NO-BRAINER, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT A NEW AMBULANCE IN MY STATION THAT I DON'T HAVE TO PAY FOR.

THEY INSURE IT, THEY MAINTAIN IT, BLOW AN ENGINE, AND WE'VE BLOWN UP A COUPLE ENGINES AND THEY, UH, THEY DON'T HAVE TO, UH, PAY FOR IT.

SO THEY'VE, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A GREAT, UH, UH, IT'S, IT'S A GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT, I THINK FOR, FOR, UH, FOR OUR VOLUNTEER SYSTEM, AS WELL AS OUR, OUR CAREER SYSTEM AS WELL.

I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF TIME.

JURY, EVERYBODY HERE KNOWS JERRY, HE'S GOTTA HAVE HIS TIME AT THE PODIUM.

SO I'M GOING TO GIVE HIM OVER THE TIME.

I'VE ALREADY TOLD HIM MR. MAYBE CUT IT DOWN A LITTLE BIT.

UH, AND THEN WE'LL GET TO, TO THE OTHER ONE WHO WANTS SOME, SOME, UH, PODIUM TIME HERE AT NIGHT.

PARDON? YES, SIR.

COULD I REQUEST JUST ONE QUESTION BACK THE ANSWER? HOW, HOW HAS THE VOLUNTEER PART OF THE FIRE DEPARTMENT COMING ON AND DO WE STILL HAVE PLENTY OF VOLUNTEERS OR IS IT BASICALLY JUST, UM, I'LL PAY, I'LL BE HONEST.

AIN'T GOING TO ANSWER HOW I KNEW THAT, UM, WE'RE HURTING ON THE, ON THE FIRE SIDE TOO.

ESPECIALLY DURING THE DAYTIME.

IF WE EVER WORK IN FIRE DURING THE DAY, WE HAVE 10, 10 PEOPLE IN STATIONS, AND WE'RE GOING TO USE ALL 10.

IF IT'S, IF IT'S ANY KIND OF FIRE, UH, IF WE, WE CALL IT A GOOD FIRE, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S A WORKING FIRE.

WE, IF WE LUCKY, AND TO BE HONEST WITH YOU AS AN INCIDENT COMMANDER, I FEEL FORTUNATE IF WE GET THREE OR FOUR, UM, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT.

WE KNOW THAT WE, WE ABSOLUTELY KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE WANT, PEOPLE ARE WORKING

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AND, UH, AND SO FORTH.

IT'S NOT QUITE AS BAD ON THAT AMBULANCE.

THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T COME, UH, THEY DON'T HANG AROUND THE STATION ANYMORE TO TAKE THAT AMBULANCE OUT.

AND I DON'T KNOW HOW WE GET TO A POINT WHERE WE FIX THAT.

I'M JUST NOT REAL SURE HOW TO FIX IT.

SO, SO YOU, YOU DO SUFFER WITH THE VOLUNTEER PART OF IT WITH THE COMPANY.

SINCE I DON'T HAVE AN 18 DAYS, I USED TO PROMOTE THE FACT THAT THIS WAS A VOLUNTEER SYSTEM SUPPLEMENTING WITH CAREER PEOPLE.

I'M GOING TO GO OUT ON A LIMB AND SAY, IT'S TURNED INTO A CAREER SYSTEM SUPPLEMENTED WITH VOLUNTEERS.

UM, AND I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T THINK THAT IT'S GOING TO BE A WHOLE LOT OF DEBATE ON THAT.

THEY KNOW IT, AND I PROUD OF IT, AND CERTAINLY THEY'RE TRYING TO MAKE THEM INCH TO FIX IT, BUT WE, I DON'T THINK IT'S FIXABLE RIGHT NOW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE COVID OUT THERE.

NOBODY WANTS TO TAKE IT HOME.

RIGHT.

UH, RIGHT NOW WE'RE NOT IN JEOPARDY, YOU'RE COVERING WHAT YOU CAN COVER TO THE BEST OF YOUR ABILITY.

CORRECT.

ABSOLUTELY.

THERE'S NO CALL THAT GOES ON, ON, ON ANSWER, YOU KNOW? UM, I MEAN, NOT PUBLIC NEEDS TO HEAR THAT, TOO.

SURE.

I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE, WE DON'T ALWAYS TALK ABOUT WEAKNESSES.

WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT STRENGTHS, EVEN THOUGH IN THIS BAD TIME, WE, WE WE'VE GOTTEN SUCCESSES THAT WE SHOULD BE PROUD OF, AND YOU'VE DONE A JOB OF KEEPING THE THING WORKING, AND THAT'S HARD.

I CATCH SOME CRITICISMS SOMETIMES FOR, FOR, FOR COMING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND RESPONDING TO CALLS, YOU KNOW, YOUR PAY GUY.

YOU AIN'T SUPPOSED TO BE OUT HERE.

WELL, YEAH, I'M A PAID GUY, BUT THIS IS MY DEPARTMENT.

AND, UM, I I'VE SAID IT BEFORE.

I KNOW YOU'VE HEARD IT.

MR. FOX SAID, UM, DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY.

I'LL EXPLAIN IT.

THAT I DON'T HAVE FIVE BOSSES.

I HAVE 40,000 PLUS BOSSES.

AND, UH, AND I COME OUT A LOT, ESPECIALLY WHEN THINGS START GETTING REALLY TOUGH.

AND I BEGAN TO DO SOME THINGS THAT OUR COMPANY OFFICERS MAY BE TOO BUSY TO THINK ABOUT, LIKE MOVING A COMPANY FROM, FROM WINCHESTER OR, OR FREDERICK INTO WARREN COUNTY, UM, OR WHEREVER, YOU KNOW, WE CAN GRAB RESOURCES AND, AND BRING THEM IN, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEBODY OUT THERE TO MAKE DECISIONS IF WE GET CALLED TO, UH, AND WE, WE HAVE LATELY.

SO IT'S, AND THIS WILL PROVE IT'S NOT JUST US.

WE'D BEEN TO WINCHESTER.

YOU WOULDN'T THINK WE'D GO ROUTINELY FROM HERE, BUT WE GET CALLS TO WINCHESTER.

MOST OF THEM ARE PROBABLY TO FILL STATIONS THAT THEY HAVE VACANT, YOU KNOW, UP THERE.

AND, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S SOMEBODY WITH SOME AUTHORITY TO MAKE THOSE TYPES OF DECISIONS, ALWAYS TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION THAT WE NEED TO COVER OUR CALLS FIRST.

AND I THINK WE DO PRETTY GOOD WITH THAT.

WE PULL, IF WE'RE AT A FIRE, OUR TIMING IS EVERYTHING.

YOU KNOW, THAT, YOU KNOW, WE MIGHT BE ON A FIRE FOR TWO HOURS AND WE MAY HAVE SIX PEOPLE THAT ARE STILL SHOVELING, UH, UM, SHOVELING CONTENTS OUT OF A BURNED HOUSE.

BUT IF WE GET A CALL, WE'LL PULL TWO OF 'EM OUT AND PUT THEM ON A PIECE OF APPARATUS OR WHATEVER STAFFING IS A BIG DEAL.

WE GOT SOME OF THE BEST APPARATUS IN THE NORTHERN VALLEY, THANKS TO YOU, THIS BOARD AND THE VOLUNTEER, UH, FUNDRAISING, UH, THAT'S BAR NONE.

AND, UH, BUT PEOPLE, AND I'LL LET THEM TALK ABOUT THAT.

THAT'S THIS PORTION, BUT, UH, IT, UH, I'LL GET MY STEAK HERE IN A MINUTE.

YOU KNOW WHO JERRY IS, AND HE'S A LITTLE BIT, SO AS CHIEF KIND OF ALLUDED TO, WE ASKED ALL OF OUR GROUPS THAT WE DO A PRESENTATION, AND REGARDLESS IF YOU'RE A NEW VOLUNTEER OR A NEW CAREER MEMBER TO THE DEPARTMENT OR THAT CITIZEN THAT'S AT A PUBLIC OUTREACH EVENT, WE, WE HISTORICALLY ASK ALL PEOPLE ABOUT WHAT IS THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FACING OUR DEPARTMENT TODAY, THE FIRE AND RESCUE DELIVERY SYSTEM.

WHAT IS THAT BIGGEST CHALLENGE FACING US TODAY? AND I THINK YOU JUST KIND OF TALKED ABOUT IT A LITTLE BIT.

THAT, WHEN YOU HEAR THAT, WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? IT MEANS TEAM.

BUT ULTIMATELY THE MISSION OF OUR DEPARTMENT, UH, THE MISSION OF OUR DEPARTMENT IS SOMETHING THAT WE CHANGED A FEW YEARS BACK.

WE HAVE ADOPTED A SLOGAN FOR OUR ORGANIZATION AS ONE DEPARTMENT, ONE MISSION, OKAY.

AND OUR MISSION STATEMENTS TO SERVE THE COMMUNITY AS ONE SINGLE DEPARTMENT WITH A COMMON MISSION TO DELIVER THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF SERVICE AND PERFORM AT OUR BEST TO THOSE IN NEED AT THEIR WORST.

THAT IS A MISSION STATEMENT.

THAT'S IN EVERY POST, IN EVERY FIRE STATION, IT'S ON A CHALLENGE GOING THAT WE GIVE TO OUR CAREER AND VOLUNTEER RESPONSE MEMBERS.

AND IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TELL PEOPLE YOU NEED MEMORIZING.

YOU NEED TO KNOW.

AND WHAT I'M GOING TO ASK IS I'LL ASK A HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION OF THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS.

WHEN YOU READ

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EXACTLY.

RIGHT.

SO THE TEAM CONCEPT, SO CHIEF MAY BECAME IN 1995, I STARTED AS A COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER IN 1997.

AND IN 1997, THEY BASICALLY SAID, HERE'S A HELMET, HERE'S A COAT.

AND YOU HATE THE COUNTY FIRE CHIEF.

THE COUNTY FIRE CHIEF IS TRYING TO RUIN THE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

THEY WANT TO TURN US INTO A LITTLE FAIRFAX.

AND WE KNOW THAT HISTORICALLY, THAT'S NOT BEEN THE CASE THAT WE HAD CHALLENGES IN 1997.

WE HAVE CHALLENGES TODAY AS A VOLUNTEER SYSTEM, WE HAVE CHALLENGES AS A CAREER SYSTEM, BUT ULTIMATELY WHAT WE DO THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FACING IN OUR DEPARTMENT TODAY CHANGES.

WE CAN HAVE A HOUSE FIRE RIGHT NOW AND HAVE A GREAT TURNOUT.

WE HAVE THE 10 STAFF MEMBERS THAT ARE ON DUTY 24 HOURS.

AND WE MAY HAVE A FUNCTION IN THE FIRE STATION.

AND ONE FIRE STATION IS ABLE TO PRODUCE SEVEN MEMBERS.

ANOTHER STATION IS ABLE TO PRODUCE FOUR MEMBERS, BUT IT'S NOT A CONSISTENT RESPONSE ACROSS THE BOARD.

IN ADDITION TO, AS WE WERE WALKING IN THE DOOR, YOU, YOU MAY, UH, MR. MABE AND MS. CULLERS WAS HERE, UH, AND THEY HEARD RICK AND I TALKING BECAUSE WE WENT TO PLEAD IT AS A COUNTY.

WE HAD A SIGNIFICANT MOTOR VEHICLE CRASH.

WE HAD AN OUTSIDE GAS LEAK AT AN APARTMENT COMPLEX RESTAURANT THAT IN THEORY, CALLS AN EVACUATION OF THE BUILDING.

WE HAD AN ANCILLARY EMS CALL.

SO STARTS TO DEPLETE OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM.

YOU HAVE TWO OR THREE SIGNIFICANT INCIDENTS, AND WE'RE NO LONGER A, WE CAN COVER THOSE RESPONSES, BUT WE'RE NOT ABLE TO COVER THE RESPONSE AFTER THAT, BUT WE FIND WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK.

OR WE HAVE THAT DEDICATED CORE GROUP OF VOLUNTEERS THAT RECOGNIZE RESPONSE DEFICIENCIES, AND THEY COME OUT AND THEY PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

THE BIGGEST CHALLENGE FACING OUR DEPARTMENT TODAY IS ANYTHING THAT INTERFERES WITH SERVING THE COMMUNITY AS ONE SINGLE DEPARTMENT WITH A COMMON MISSION.

AND THAT'S TO DELIVER THE HIGHEST LEVELS FOR US AND PERFORM AT OUR BEST TO THOSE IN NEED AT THEIR WORST.

WHEN YOU CALL NINE ONE ONE, WE YOU'VE HEARD US SAY BEFORE THAT NOBODY WAKES UP THIS MORNING AND SAYS, YOU KNOW WHAT? I THINK I'M GOING TO HAVE A HOUSE FIRE OR A HEART ATTACK TODAY.

NOBODY THINKS I'M GOING TO BREAK MY ANKLE BECAUSE I FELL OFF OF A ROOF.

BUT IN REALITY, WHEN YOU CALL NINE ONE ONE, YOU WANT HELP.

YOU DON'T CARE IF IT'S CAREER OR VOLUNTEER MAN, OR WOMAN, YOU WANT HELP FROM A WELL-TRAINED AND QUALIFIED SERVICE PROVIDER.

THAT'S OUR TASK IS YOUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION.

YOU AS YOUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION, OUR JOB IS TO IN FACT, PROVIDE A LEVEL OF SERVICE TO OVER 40,000 PEOPLE, 16,000 HOMES, 800 BRICK AND MORTAR BUSINESSES, AND 217 SQUARE MILES OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WE ARE ALL MEMBERS OF THIS COMMUNITY.

EACH ONE OF YOU REPRESENTS A POPULACE OF THIS COMMUNITY.

AND ULTIMATELY OUR JOB IS JUST THAT TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE, WHEN PEOPLE CALL NINE 11 AND NEED A LEVEL OF HELP TO ASSIST OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE WHEN THEY NEED US VICE VERSA.

WHERE ARE YOU? THE PUBLIC SAFETY PROVIDERS THAT ULTIMATELY PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO THAT COMMUNITY? HOW DO WE DO THAT? WE DO THAT THROUGH FIVE DIFFERENT DIVISIONS OF OUR DEPARTMENT, OUR OPERATIONS SECTION, OUR ADMINISTRATION, OUR FIRE PREVENTION AND COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION, OUR TRAINING DEPARTMENT, OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AND OUR RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION PROGRAM.

AS CHIEF ALLUDED TO, WE ARE THE UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF FIRE RESCUE SERVICES.

CHIEF SERVES AS THAT UMBRELLA TO BRING ALL OF THOSE DIFFERENT COMPANIES AND CREATE THAT TEAM CONCEPT.

SYSTEM HAS INCORPORATED THAT THEY ARE PAINTED ON THEIR NEW APPARATUS AT $700,000 EXPENDITURE.

WHEN I CAME IN 1997, IT WAS A DIFFERENT TIME.

MS. COLORS HAS GOT SOME BACKGROUND IN FIRE AND EMS AND IN LOCAL GOVERNMENT, UH, AND MANY YEARS AGO.

AND IT WAS A LOT OF SANDBOX ISSUES.

THERE WAS A, YOU ARE FROM FORT SMITH, YOU RUN 300 CALLS A YEAR.

WE ARE FROM THIS STATION AND WE'RE MUCH BETTER FROM YOU.

THERE WAS A LOT OF ANIMOSITY BETWEEN POP, UH, DEPARTMENTS.

THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVITY TOWARDS EACH OTHER.

THERE WAS A LOT OF, WE DON'T NEED HELP FROM YOU, BUT WE SEE THAT AS TIME CHANGES THE LEVEL OF SERVICES THAT WE'RE ABLE TO PROVIDE AS AN INDIVIDUAL STATION OR AN INDIVIDUAL RESPONSE AREA JUST IS NOT THERE.

SO IN THEORY, CHIEF BECOMES THAT UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION TO GET EVERYBODY TO COLLECTIVELY SUPPORT OUR MISSION STATEMENT.

WE CHANGED OUR MISSION STATEMENT OF THE ORGANIZATION TO IN FACT, PROMOTE TEAMWORK.

WE HAVE IT IN THE ONE DEPARTMENT, ONE MISSION ON LETTERHEADS ON DOCUMENTS.

WE HAVE IT PAINTED.

THE VOLUNTEER

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SO THE ONE DEPARTMENT, ONE MISSION CONCEPT IS, IS TAKEN HOME.

SO OUR OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT, OUR OPERATIONS DEPARTMENT IS 11 SEPARATE RESPONSE DISTRICT IS HOW WE HAVE OUR LOCALITY BROKE OUT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RESPONSE MAP, BUT OUT OF EIGHT INDIVIDUAL VOLUNTEER FIRE STATIONS, WELL, THAT MATH DOESN'T ADD UP, RIGHT? IF YOU HAVE 11 RESPONSE DISTRICTS AND YOU SAY YOU HAVE EIGHT STATIONS, HOW DOES THAT WORK? THAT'S BECAUSE IN FACT, WE TALK ABOUT THE NO SANDBOX.

THIS BOARD HAS MADE A DECISION RECENTLY TO SUPPORT THE CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT IN PROVIDING THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE.

WE FUND A CHESTER GAP FIRE DEPARTMENT AND MIDDLETOWN FIRE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE THEY ARE THE CLOSEST PROVIDER TO THE CITIZENS OF THOSE PARTICULAR AREAS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

SO WHAT A BETTER WAY TO ENSURE THAT WE ARE PROVIDING A TIMELY, AN ADEQUATE LEVEL OF SERVICE, THEN TAPPING THOSE RESOURCES THAT ARE CLOSER TO THOSE CITIZENS.

SAME THING THAT CLARK COUNTY DOES FOR SHANANDOAH FARMS, FIRE DEPARTMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE MAKEUP AND WE ALL KNOW OUR BEAUTIFUL COMMUNITY, HOW IT IS STRUCTURED, AND IF YOU FOLLOW THE BOUNDARIES OF THESE PARTICULAR RESPONSE, DEMOGRAPHICS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT WE HAVE BEAUTIFUL RIVERS, GREAT MOUNTAINS, AND OUR RAILROAD TO SUPPORT OUR INDUSTRY.

THAT MAKES IT A VERY, VERY CHALLENGING RESPONSE MAKEUP FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

WE HAVE FIRE STATIONS IN THEORY THAT ARE GEOGRAPHICALLY CLOSER TO A PHYSICAL HOUSE, BUT BECAUSE OF A MOUNTAIN OR BECAUSE OF A RIVER, THEY'RE ONE OF THE LAST COMPANIES TO GO ON THE EMERGENCY BECAUSE OF SHORE, SHORE DISTANCE.

RIGHT? SO WE HAVE SOME OF THE RECRUITS THAT Y'ALL MET AT THE LAST MEETING CAME TO WARREN COUNTY AND THEY HAD NO IDEA.

SO WE GO THROUGH AND WE SHOW THEM THE MAP.

AND WE TALK ABOUT THE RIVER AND ASK YOURSELF THIS OUT OF TWO STEMS OF THE SHANANDOAH RIVER IN THE MAINSTEM, HOW MANY PHYSICAL BRIDGES DO WE HAVE THE CROSS, THOSE RIVERS THAT RUN RIGHT THROUGH OUR COMMUNITY.

SO THAT MAKES A RESPONSE MAKEUP VERY UNIQUE AND CHALLENGING FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

SO ULTIMATELY WE CAN'T HAVE A SANDBOX CONCEPT AND PROVIDE AN ADEQUATE LEVEL OF SERVICE.

SO OUT OF THOSE DIFFERENT RESPONSE MAKEUPS, WE HAVE OUT OF EACH ONE OF THOSE RESPONSE DISTRICTS, WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT PROVIDE 4,000 CALLS A YEAR.

WE HAVE DEPARTMENTS THAT PROVIDE LESS THAN 300.

6,000 INCIDENCES, HOW MANY WE HAD THAT'S COMING UP.

SO WHEN YOU LOOK AT THAT, WE HAVE STATIONS THAT ARE EXTREMELY BUSY, OUR FRONT ROYAL STATION ONE, I THINK WE CERTAINLY UNDERSTAND WHY THEIR RESPONSE IS SO MUCH HIGHER AT 4,000 CALLS A YEAR BECAUSE OF THAT RESPONSE MAKEUP, THE, THE STORY AND THE, THE ADAGE THAT I TELL OUR EMPLOYEES IN THE CITIZENRY IS ALL ROADS LEAD TO FRONT ROAD TO GET THERE FROM HERE, YOU GOT TO GO INTO FRONT ROYAL, RIGHT? BECAUSE OF THE RIVERS, BECAUSE OF THE MOUNTAINS, BECAUSE OF THE RAILROAD, THOSE TYPES OF SITUATIONS, ALL OF THOSE ROADS LEAD BACK FRONT ROW, FRONT ROYAL IS GEOGRAPHICALLY CENTERED IN OUR COMMUNITY, WHICH MAKES THEM A PRIMARY SERVICE PROVIDER ON A MAGNITUDE OF OUR INCIDENTS.

SO WE TALK ABOUT THAT GOES INTO A BIG CONSIDERATION.

WHY DID WE MOVE RIVERMONT FIRE STATION 1.3 MILES DOWN THE ROAD WAS TO ALLEVIATE CALL PRESSURES INTO WHERE 47% OF THE POPULATION OF OUR COMMUNITY LIVE IN THE FRONT ROYAL RESPONSE DISTRICT.

SO WE HAVE TO LOOK AT THOSE DIFFERENT TYPES OF CONSIDERATIONS.

WHEN WE GO TO THE PLANNING PHASE WITHIN OUR FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM.

I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU ON THIS CALLS FOR SERVICE BY RESPONSE DISTRICT.

ARE THESE CALLS THAT THE STATION 10 MADE ON ITS OWN? OR IS IT IN COOPERATION WITH, WITH, UH, STATION ONE? THAT'S HOW MANY CALLS THAT STATION WAS DISPATCHED? SO IT COULD HAVE BEEN DISPATCHED ALONG WITH, WITH STATION ONE.

IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY.

SO, CAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IS 4,023 TOTAL CALLS FOR A WHOLE YEAR, OR IS 4,023 PLUS 17 SEVEN.

NO.

SO THAT'S THAT'S STATION ONE WAS DISPATCHED ON 4,000 CALLS FOR THE CALENDAR YEAR.

THEY'VE DONE THAT EITHER.

I WAS A SOLE COMPANY OR A MULTI-COMPANY EFFORT.

SO STATION ONE COULD GET DISPATCHED ON A CALL STATION 10 COULD GET DISPATCHED ON A CALL.

THEY RESPOND TOGETHER THAT COUNTS AS ONE CALL FOR THAT STATION THAT GOES INTO THE

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AND COMPANY ONE STILL GETS DISPATCHED PRETTY MUCH WITH EVERY CALL, BUT IF SAY THEY GET SENT TO A CALL WITH BENTONVILLE AND BEFORE THEY GET THERE, BENTONVILLE SAYS, YOU CAN TURN AROUND.

WE DON'T NEED YOU.

WE'VE GOT THIS.

THAT STILL GETS CONSIDERED A CALL, BUT THEY DIDN'T CARRY THROUGH WITH IT.

CORRECT? YES.

NOW THE, THE STATEMENT THAT FRONT ROW GETS DISPATCHED ON EVERYTHING IS NOT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT.

IF THEY MARK THEIR STATION DEPLETED, THEY WON'T GET DISPATCHED.

AT SOME POINT IN TIME.

FOR EXAMPLE, WE USE THE CHESTER GAP ANALOGY, RIGHT? THAT WAS ONE OF THE CHIEF'S THINGS WITH THE STAFF, WITH OUR COMMUNICATION CENTER, BECAUSE WE KEEP DISPATCHING FRONT ROYAL TO YOUR DISTRICT FRONT ROYAL MAY GET DISPATCHED, BUT NEVER PHYSICALLY LEAVE THE BUILDING.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? WELL, IT MAKES SENSE IF, IF THEY'RE DEPLETED THEN, WELL, AND IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET, OR IF THEY'RE ALREADY OUT ON ANOTHER CALL, UM, BUT GENERALLY SPEAKING, I KNOW IT USED TO BE, AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE CALLS I'VE HEARD, UM, COMPANY ONE USUALLY GETS DISPATCHED UNLESS THEY GET TURNED AROUND.

IF, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S OUT IN RIVERMONT, IF THE CALL GOES OUT COMPANY ONE COMPANY TWO, IF THEY'RE NOT NEEDED, THEY GET TURNED AROUND.

GENERALLY SPEAKING, THEY GO BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, CORRECT THE SMALLEST COMPANIES UNDER RESOURCE MANAGEMENT, OUR STAFF, UH, BOTH THE CAREER AND VOLUNTEER SYSTEM, TRYING TO MAKE THE APPROPRIATE DECISIONS ON RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.

DO I NEED YOU FOR THE ALS RESPONSE? DO I NEED YOU FOR MANPOWER TO LIFT A PATIENT TO, THIS IS A CAR FIRE.

UM, WE CAN HANDLE WITH WHAT RESOURCES WE HAVE, YOU CAN GO IN SERVICE, BUT YEAH, SO THAT NUMBER, UH, TRUE INCIDENTS, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'LL KIND OF BE A MAKEUP WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE RESPONSE MAKEUP OF THE COUNTY, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT IT'S NOT OUT OF 4,000 CALLS A YEAR MORE OFTEN THAN THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE MAKING IT TO A SCENE PROVIDING THAT SERVICE PRIMARILY BASED OFF OF THE ALS RESPONSE, UH, WHICH WE'LL SHOW YOU THAT MAKEUP IN A FEW.

SO 4,023 AS A TOTAL FOR A YEAR DISPATCHES DISPATCH FOR A WHOLE YEAR OF ALL 10 TOTAL FOR A YEAR OF ALL 10 OF YOUR COMING UP.

THAT'S THE NUMBER I WAS TRYING TO GET TO.

THEY'RE THE GEORGE MASON UNIVERSITY.

SO IN THEORY, IN THEORY, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THOSE RESPONSE DISTRICTS, THE, THE MO THE, THE SEQUENCE OF THE SLIDES WAS UNDERSTANDING THE COUNTY MAKEUP, UNDERSTAND THAT IN THEORY, BASED OFF OF THE CHALLENGES OF OUR RIVERS, OF OUR BEAUTIFUL MOUNTAINS, WE HAVE SOME STATIONS THAT RUN A SIGNIFICANT MORE AMOUNT OF CALLS.

AND PRIMARILY BASED OFF OF THE NO SANDBOX ISSUE, WE'RE GOING TO SEND THREE DIFFERENT COMPANIES.

AT ONE TIME, THE COUNTY COMPANIES DID NOT COME INTO FRONT ROYAL AND PROVIDING A SERVICE.

THEY DIDN'T NEED YOU.

THEY DIDN'T WANT YOU.

THEY HAD ENOUGH EQUIPMENT.

THEY HAD ENOUGH VOLUNTEER RESOURCES WITH THE FOUR PAID STAFF THAT THEY, THEY, THEY HAD TO PROVIDE THEIR OWN LEVEL OF SERVICE TODAY.

THAT CAN'T HAPPEN.

IF A SIGNIFICANT INCIDENT IN TOWN, MULTIPLE COMPANIES FROM THE COUNTY ARE COMING IN, STATION SEVEN IS MISSING, IS THAT RIVERMONT STATION SEVEN WAS IN THEORY, THE CONSERVATION RESEARCH CENTER.

SO THE SMITHSONIAN INSTITUTE HAS A FIRE STATION THERE.

THEY HAVE SOME EQUIPMENT, THEY HAD A FIREBIRD GATE TO PROTECT THEIR OWN.

SO, UH, WHEN THE COUNTY MADE THE RESPONSE DISTRICTS, BASED OFF OF THAT, BEING A FEDERAL INSTALLATION, THEY HAD THEIR OWN DISTRICT IN THEIR OWN FIRE STATION.

I JUST WONDERED, I THOUGHT MAYBE IT WAS OFF THE LIST BECAUSE IT WAS NOT GOOD CATCH.

SO WE PROVIDE, WE WOULD PROVIDE THEM TRAINING THAT PEOPLE TRAINING, AND THEN WE SUPPLEMENTED THEM.

THEY GOT A CALL ON AND RESERVATIONS TO CONSERVATION AS WELL, BUT THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY WERE VOLUNTEER.

UH, THEY WERE EMPLOYED TO WORK THERE, BUT THEY DIDN'T GET PAID TO BE FIRING.

HUH? THEY ARE, THEY STILL FUNCTIONING? NO, I DIDN'T THINK THEY WERE, THEY DO A LOT OF PRESCRIBED BURNS.

SO THEY USE THEIR EMPLOYEES IN THEIR EQUIPMENT TO DO PRE PRESCRIBED BURNS OF THEIR FIELDS TO MAKE IT GROW BACK.

BUT THEY DO NOT.

WE ARE THE PRIMARY SERVICE PROVIDER FOR THAT, WHICH IS UNIQUE BECAUSE OF THE FACILITIES.

THEY HAVE THE FACT THAT THERE'S A, UM, A HIGHER INSTITUTION OF LEARNING.

THEY HAVE SOME DORM ROOMS. UM, YOU KNOW, SO WE WORK VERY CLOSE WITH THEIR POLICE FORCE TO PROVIDE ACCESS, BUT WE'RE THE PRIMARY SERVICE PROVIDERS TO THAT FACILITY, WHICH IN THAT INFO, IN FACT, FALLS IN CHESTER GAP'S RESPONSE AREA OF THE

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COUNTY.

SO CERTAINLY AS CHIEF ALLUDED TO IN THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU ALL ASKED EARLIER IS OUR STRENGTH IS OUR PEOPLE.

WE HAVE SOME OF THE MOST DEDICATED RESPONDERS THROUGHOUT OUR FIRE AND RESCUE SYSTEM.

PEOPLE THAT MENTORED ME WHEN I WAS A YOUNG VOLUNTEER ON OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM ARE STILL OUT THERE RESPONDING TODAY.

YOU KNOW, SOME OF OUR VOLUNTEERS ARE SERVING FOR 25, 30 YEARS.

THE PEOPLE THAT CHIEF COME TO IS YOUNG MEMBERS WITHIN THE SYSTEM ARE NOW DISTRICT CHIEFS TODAY.

WE'RE WORKING A LOT ALONGSIDE HIM, BUT IF YOU LOOK SO OUR, OUR PRELIMINARY NUMBERS IS WE LOOK IN AT 65 OPERATIONAL RESPONDERS THROUGH OUR VOLUNTEER SYSTEM, 45 ASSOCIATE MEMBERS.

SO THOSE ARE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WORKING FUNDRAISERS ON A REGULAR BASIS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WELL, IF YOU DO THAT MATH AND YOU TAKE 65 DIVIDED BY EIGHT STATIONS, THAT KIND OF GIVE YOU A MAKE-UP AND ANSWER THE QUESTION OF HOW MANY DO WE HAVE.

AND WE CAN ONLY JUDGE THAT BASED OFF OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS THEY'RE RESPONDING TO, UM, AN ANALYSIS OF THEIR ACTIVITY LEVELS.

YOU KNOW, SOME STATIONS, THIS PERSON MAY RUN ONE CALL A MONTH BASED OFF OF 300 CALLS A YEAR.

YOU MAY HAVE A VOLUNTEER ACROSS THE STREET THAT RUNS 60 CALLS A MONTH.

SO AS LONG AS THEY'RE GIVING SOMETHING BACK TO THE SYSTEM, WE CHARGE THEM UP TO THAT OPERATIONAL RESPONDER.

OR YOU WANT TO COME TO WORK FOR US.

THE IS, IS HOW MANY IN THE, IN THE, IN THE CHALLENGES WE'VE HAD THROUGH THE MANY YEARS, WORKING WITH OUR ELECTED BODIES AND THE VARIOUS DIFFERENT BOARDS IS AT ANY GIVEN TIME, HOW DO WE ESTIMATE HOW MANY OPERATIONAL RESPONDERS CAN TURN OUT ON AN INCIDENT? THAT NUMBER IS JUST SUCH A FLUID NUMBER.

YOU KNOW, WE, WE HAD AN INCIDENT THE OTHER, THE OTHER MORNING, A HOUSE FIRE IN LINDEN, AND WE HAD A, WE HAD A GOOD CORE GROUP OF VOLUNTEER RESPONDERS CAUSE THEY WERE AT THE STATION.

ONE OF THEM HAD TO LEAVE THE INCIDENT SCENE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIRE CAUSE THEY HAD TO GET HIS DAD, HIS VEHICLE.

SO HIS DAD COULD GO TO WORK.

SO WHILE THEY MADE THE INITIAL RESPONSE, WE LOST THEM IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT RESPONSE.

SO IT'S JUST SUCH A FLUID NUMBER TO BE ABLE TO LOOK AT, UM, OUR CAREERS RESPONSE SYSTEM.

WE'RE NOW AT 39 UNIFORMED, UH, FIREFIGHTERS, 12 UNIFORMED PART-TIME FIREFIGHTERS, TWO CIVILIAN FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND A CIVILIAN PART-TIME EMPLOYEE IN OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION AS A CIVILIAN EMPLOYEE.

OUR STRENGTH IS OUR PEOPLE.

WE HAVE A GREAT CORE GROUP OF CAREER VOLUNTEER, MEN AND WOMEN THAT IF ME RAISING MY FAMILY IN THIS COMMUNITY, I WOULD NEVER HESITATE TO CALL NINE 11 IN THIS LOCALITY.

I KNOW I'M GOING TO GET HELP FROM A WELL-TRAINED SERVICE PROVIDER, EITHER A CAREER OR A VOLUNTEER RESPONDER.

SO WHAT ARE THOSE KEY GROUPS OF INDIVIDUALS NEED? THEY GOT TO HAVE GOOD APPARATUS.

AND CHIEF TALKED ABOUT SOME OF THE APPARATUS MAKEUP.

WE HAVE A, WE DO HAVE A VERY DIVERSE FLEET OF EQUIPMENT BECAUSE AGAIN, OUR COMMUNITY IS SO DIVERSE WITH RIVER, WITH MOUNTAINS, WITH RESIDENTIAL, WITH LARGE COMMERCIAL, THAT REQUIRES A DIVERSE MAKEUP OF EQUIPMENT.

OUR 2019 CALLS FOR SERVICE, MISS OATS.

UH, WE RESPONDED TO A TOTAL OF 6,133 EMERGENCY INCIDENTS IN ARLA COUNTY.

WHAT'S UNIQUE WITH THAT IS IF YOU LOOK AT THAT BREAKOUT, WE ARE IN 86% EMS BASED RESPONSE ORGANIZATION.

WHEN I JOINED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, I JOINED THE FIRE DEPARTMENT CAUSE I WATCHED A FIRETRUCK GO OUT THE DOOR AND I WATCHED THE FIREFIGHTERS PUT ON THEIR TURNOUT GEAR AND EQUIPMENT.

AND I SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT? THAT'S PRETTY COOL.

IT'S NOT BECAUSE I WATCHED THEM GET IN THE BACK OF THE AMBULANCE AND PUT AN OXYGEN MASK ON SOMEBODY, RIGHT? THE THINGS THAT ATTRACT OUR YOUNG ARE MOTIVATED INDIVIDUALS ARE, IS THAT FIRE RESPONSE.

WE DO THIS TO HISTORICALLY THAT ADRENALINE RUSH TO PROVIDE THAT LEVEL OF SERVICE TO BE A FIREFIGHTER.

BUT THE CHALLENGE IS WE ARE AN 86% EMS BASED FOR RESPONSE ORGANIZATION.

IF I SHOWED YOU A VIDEO FROM A VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANIES, ANNUAL BANQUET, YOU'LL SEE A FIRE, YOU'LL SEE A CRASH, YOU'LL SEE OUR FIRE, YOU'LL SEE A CRASH.

WE DON'T HIGHLIGHT THE EMS ASPECT.

RIGHT? AND NOW AS CHIEF ALLUDED TO THE COVID SITUATION THAT CAUSES A, NOW A GREATER HARDSHIP ON THOSE VOLUNTEERS BECAUSE OF THE RISK ASSOCIATED WHO CAN SPEND 14 DAYS OFF WITHOUT AN INCOME OR WITHOUT WORK LOST WAGES.

YOU KNOW, CERTAIN EMPLOYEES HAVE THOSE JOB PROTECTIONS.

OTHERS DO NOT.

SO WHEN YOU'RE WORKING PAYCHECK TO PAYCHECK OR YOU'RE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY, AND WE'VE HAD PEOPLE GO AND GET TESTED, THEY'VE CALLED THEIR EMPLOYER.

AND YOUR EMPLOYER SAID, YOU'RE DONE.

WE'VE SUPPORTED YOU UP UNTIL THIS POINT, BUT YOU'RE ESSENTIAL TO OUR ORGANIZATION.

YOU HAVE TO MAKE A CHOICE.

YOU EITHER WANT TO BE A VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTER

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AND WE'VE LOST MANY PEOPLE BECAUSE OF THAT ONE.

I JUST HAPPENED TO ASK THAT THE FIRE STATION THE OTHER DAY, HEY, WHERE'S, SO-AND-SO BEEN, AND THEY'RE LIKE, HEY, HE AIN'T BEEN AROUND A COUPLE OF WEEKS.

WHY HIS EMPLOYER TOLD HIM NO MORE? OKAY.

HE WAS A GOVERNMENTAL CONTRACTOR, YOU KNOW? SO, SO WE SEE THOSE CHALLENGES AS FAR ALONG, WE'VE MADE IT THROUGH COVID THIS FAR, BUT IT WAS THAT ONE EXPOSURE THAT CAUSED THEM TO GET TESTED.

AND THAT NOTIFICATION TO THE EMPLOYER, THE EMPLOYER HAD TO MAKE THAT DECISION.

SO THAT'S 17 CALLS A DAY ON AVERAGE, CORRECT? YEAH.

YEP.

ACROSS THE STREET BASED OFF OF THEIR RESPONSE TO AROUND LIKE A 9.9 HISTORICALLY, HISTORICALLY.

SO LOOKING AT THAT 2019 CALLS FOR SERVICE NUMBER, WE GOT TO LOOK AT WHERE WE'VE BEEN.

SO IF WE LOOK AT A 10 YEAR COMPARISON IN 2009, WE WERE JUST UNDER 5,000 CALLS FOR SERVICE.

HISTORICALLY, THIS WILL SHOW YOU THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AN EMS RESPONSE ORGANIZATION WHILE OUR FIRE RESPONSES WERE MUCH HIGHER.

AT CERTAIN TIMES, WE START TO SEE THAT.

SO AN 18.7% INCREASE OR A 2.7%.

WHAT YOU'LL SEE IS WE ACTUALLY WENT DOWN IN 2019.

I CREDIT THAT TO THE EXCELLENT FIRE PREVENTION PROGRAM.

OUR COMMUNITY HAS.

SO LOOKING AT OUR EMS RESPONSE MAKEUP, UM, OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS AS, AS THE SHERIFF HAS BEEN BEFORE YOU MANY TIMES, WE HAVE, WE HAVE A GREAT CORE GROUP OF COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS, BUT OUR COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS THE INFORMATION THEY GET FROM THE CALLER.

SO THEY QUICKLY HAVE TO MAKE A DECISION BASED OFF OF THE INFORMATION RECEIVED IN DISPATCH APPROPRIATE RESOURCES.

SO BASED OFF OF DISPATCH INFORMATION, 55% OF THE TIME THAT COMMUNICATIONS OFFICER IS CLASSIFYING THAT RESPONSE AS AN ALS RESPONSE, OKAY.

28% OF THE TIME THEY'RE CLASSIFYING IT AS A BLS RESPONSE, THE REMAINDER BECOMES AN UNCLASSIFIED RESPONSE, A SPECIAL RESCUE, A PUBLIC SERVICE CALL.

THOSE TYPES OF INCIDENTS, OUR FIRE RESPONSE SYSTEM AT 852 CALLS, WE CLASSIFY 1100, 9% AS SIGNIFICANT IN NATURE.

THAT'S A WORKING FIRE, A LONG-TERM INCIDENT, SOMETHING THAT IS REALLY STRETCHING OUR RESOURCES THIN, THE FIRE THAT YOU READ ABOUT.

AND I ALLUDED TO EARLIER IN LINDEN, UH, WE QUICKLY MADE THE DECISION TO CALL ALL CAREER STAFF THAT WERE COMING IN AT THE SEVEN O'CLOCK SHIFT EXCHANGE.

WE CALLED THEM IN EARLY, ALMOST EVERY FIRE COMPANY GOT DISPATCHED WITHIN THE COUNTY RESPONSE SYSTEM.

AND WE IMMEDIATELY ASKED FOR A MUTUAL AID TO BACKFILL OUR COUNTY.

WE WERE EMPTY, WE WERE EMPTY.

AND IF WE HAD AN INCIDENT AT ONE POINT IN TIME, WE HAD ONE PERSON COVERING THE COUNTY.

SO WE HIT THOSE CRITICAL LIMITS, BUT WE MADE IT WORK WITH THE RESOURCES WE HAD AVAILABLE.

OKAY, WHY ARE WE ONLY EDUCATING ON FIRE PREVENTION? WE TELL YOU PUT A SMOKE ALARM IN YOUR HOME.

OUR SUPPORT SERVICES DIVISION, OUR FIRE ADMINISTRATION IS ULTIMATELY THE OFFICE OF THE FIRE CHIEF.

WHO'S TASKED WITH THE FIRE AND RESCUE BUDGET ADMINISTRATION, OUR EMS CALLS, RECOVERY PROGRAM, OUR VOLUNTEER SUPPORT SERVICES AND OUR OPERATIONS SUPPORT.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE BUDGET MAKEUP, OBVIOUSLY WE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF A VOLUNTEER.

I'M A TAXPAYER JUST LIKE YOU.

AND I NEVER WANT TO SEE THAT GO UP.

SO I KNOW WHAT THE VALUE OF A VOLUNTEER IS FOR OUR FIRE AND RESCUE RESPONSE SYSTEM.

WHEN YOU LOOK AT AN $4.8 MILLION BUDGET AND 62% OF THAT NUMBER IS PERSONNEL AND SALARIES FOR STAFFING UNDERSTAND THE VALUE OF THAT COMMUNITY VOLUNTEER.

SO AT 62% OF PERSONNEL AND STAFFING 24% FOR OPERATIONAL SUPPORT AND 14% OF THAT NUMBER GOES TOWARDS DIRECT VOLUNTEERS, FIRE STATION CONTRIBUTIONS, THAT CASH, THAT CASH CONTRIBUTION THAT YOU A LOT TO THE BOARD SOUP, UH, TO THE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS AND WATTS TO THE VOLUNTEER COMPANY.

SO THE REASON WE HAD A REDUCTION IN CALLS WAS THAT FIRE PREVENTION AND A COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION PROGRAM, ULTIMATELY THE OFFICE OF THE FIRE MARSHAL'S TASKS WITH FIRE AND EXPLOSION, INCIDENT INVESTIGATIONS, FIRE, AND LIFE SAFETY INSPECTIONS OR CODE ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM ARE PUBLIC FIRE AND LIFE SAFETY, EDUCATION PROGRAMS AND COMMUNITY OUTREACH.

SO WHEN WE LOOK AT THAT, WE UNDERSTAND THAT WE USED TO CALL IT FIRE EDUCATION OR PUBLIC FIRE EDUCATION PROGRAM.

BUT WHEN WE ARE RUNNING TO ONLY 14% FIRE,

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DON'T PLAY WITH LIGHTERS MATCHES THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

THOSE ARE NOT THE CALLS THAT WE ARE HISTORICALLY SEEN MAXIMIZE OUR RESPONSE EFFORTS.

SO WE'VE KIND OF CONVERTED THAT TO A COMMUNITY RISK REDUCTION TYPE PROGRAM, ALL HAS SLIPPED TRIP AND FALL PREVENTION IN THE HOME FOR SENIORS.

THOSE TYPES OF PROGRAMS IS WHAT WE SEE A TRANSITION TO.

UM, WE'LL LET RICK TALK ON THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT BECAUSE BELIEVE IT OR NOT, I KNOW Y'ALL ARE FUNNEST SHOCK AND HE DOES MORE THAN CARERS ACT GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY.

UH, I WILL BE VERY BRIEF.

UH, SO IN THE OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT, UH, WE DO DISASTER MANAGEMENT COORDINATION.

UH, IF YOU THINK BACK OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF YEARS, UH, THAT WOULD BE RUNNING A, UH, HONCHO OVER THINGS LIKE A SNOW STORM, JONAS HURRICANE FLORENCE.

AND NOW, UH, COVID-19 IN THOSE LIKE INCIDENTS, UM, COVID-19 MANAGEMENT, UH, CARES ACT SEEMS LIKE THAT'S ALL I'M DOING RIGHT NOW, BUT I'M STILL DOING THE WEEKLY SIT REPS.

I STILL GET WITH ALL THE LUNG CARE CARE FACILITIES EVERY TWO WEEKS MR. MABE.

AND I GET WITH EVERYBODY EVERY TWO WEEKS ON OUR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CALLS.

UM, AND THEN, UM, THE FEMA BE THAT, UH, TARYN IS WORKING ON VDM GRANTS.

THOSE ARE STILL THERE AND, UH, WE'RE STILL USING VDM GRANT MONEY.

SO I'M, UH, JUST FINISHED PURCHASING, UH, 50 COT COTTON LINEN SETS THAT ARE OVER AT WARREN COUNTY MIDDLE SCHOOL, WHICH IS OUR PRIMARY EMERGENCY SHELTER.

UH, WE HAVE 150 COD IN LINDEN SETS ONSITE AT THE SCHOOL.

NOW I HAVE 25 AND A TRAILER AT THE PSB WILL CONTINUE TO BUY 25 SETS A YEAR UNTIL WE GET UP TO 275 TOTAL, THAT'LL BE 250.

THAT WILL BE ONSITE IN THE SCHOOL AND 25 IN THE TRAILER THAT WE CAN TAKE OUT TO, UH, OTHER PLACES, IF WE NEED TO SET UP A SHELTER AND FOR YOUR AWARENESS, OUR ALTERNATE SHELTER WOULD BE A SKYLINE HIGH SCHOOL.

UM, OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE PURCHASING WITH THAT GRANT MONEY IS A PROGRAM CALLED CRISIS TRACK THAT HELPS US OUT IN THE EOC, UH, TRACKING EOC TYPE THINGS INTO COST AND EXPENDITURES.

UH, WE'RE BUYING THE RESCUE TASKFORCE BAGS, UH, FOR OUR GUYS TO USE.

WHEN WE GO IN WITH THE SHERIFF AND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, IF WE HAD TO GO INTO AN ACTIVE SHOOTER SITUATION WITH THEM.

AND THEN WE RECENTLY UPGRADED ALL OUR, UH, CPR EQUIPMENT TO THE NEW DIGITAL CPR EQUIPMENT, NOT ONLY FOR OUR STAFF USE, BUT FOR A COMMUNITY CLASSES, ONCE THOSE GET, UH, UP AND RUNNING AFTER COVID, UH, THE EMERGENCY OPERATION CENTER MANAGEMENT IN TRAINING, UH, PRIOR TO COVID, OUR STAFF WAS ALL COMPLETING THE SAME TYPE OF TRAINING THAT WE, UH, THAT WE DO THE ICS 100, 200, 700 AND 800 SERIES CLASSES.

UH, MR. MAY WAS ABOUT TO GO TO AN EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT CLASS IN FAIRFAX, AND THAT GOT CANCELED, UH, BECAUSE OF COVID.

SO ONCE THAT'S DONE, WE'LL GET BACK TO THOSE CLASSES AGAIN.

UH, OUR EMERGENCY OPERATIONS PLAN IS COMING DUE THIS TIME NEXT YEAR.

SO AFTER THE HOLIDAYS, I'LL BEGIN STAFFING IT INTERNALLY, UH, COME BACK TO YOU ALL, UH, LATE SUMMER I'LL REVIEW THE PLAN WITH YOU ALL, AND THEN YOU ALL WILL, READOPT IT, UH, NEXT FALL.

AND THEN WE'LL, WE'LL, UH, SEND IT TO VDM FOR FINAL APPROVAL AND IT'LL GO BACK ON THE SHELF.

SO ALL THE COVID LESSONS LEARNED TO THINGS THAT MAJOR DRISCOLL IS GOING TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT, OH, ALL THOSE THINGS WE COLLECT AND WE'LL BUILD INTO THE CURRENT PLAN.

AND THEN FINALLY THE LEPC COORDINATION.

WE'RE NOT CURRENTLY HOLDING OUR LAPC MEETINGS RIGHT NOW, BUT IN FACT, OUR BIWEEKLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MEETINGS ARE WITH THAT SAME CORE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE ATTENDED THE QUARTERLY LEPC MEETINGS.

SO ONCE COVID STOPS AND ONCE OUR BI-WEEKLY EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT MEETINGS STOP, THEN WE'LL CONTINUE THAT ROLE VIA THE LEPC QUARTERLY.

ANY QUESTIONS ON IT? TELL ME WHAT LEPC STANDS FOR OUR LOCAL EMERGENCY PLANNING COMMITTEE.

IT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED FOR HAZARDOUS MATERIALS AWARENESS IN THE COMMUNITY, UH, PREDOMINANTLY EVERYTHING THAT WE HAVE UP IN THE, UH, THE NORTHERN CORRIDOR WITH EXALTA, ET CETERA.

UH, BUT WE EXPANDED THAT TO ALL EMERGENCIES, UH, BECAUSE WE HAD, THAT WAS A TYPE OF RIGHT PEOPLE.

WE HAD COMING TOGETHER QUARTERLY SO WE COULD DISCUSS OTHER THINGS AS WELL.

UM, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT WE DID BEGIN AT THE VERY TAIL END BEFORE COVID, THAT HAS PROVED VERY HELPFUL AS WE JUST STARTED TO BRING THE NURSING HOMES

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INTO THE LEPC, WHICH OF COURSE ROLLED RIGHT INTO THIS, WHICH WAS PERFECT UNDER EMS COST RECOVERY.

I WILL BE COMING BACK TO YOU IN JANUARY.

SO I'LL GIVE YOU ALL THE DETAILS AND THE NUMBERS IN JANUARY, BUT FOR NOW, JUST TO HIT THE HIGHLIGHTS, YOUR COST RECOVERY TEAM IS MYSELF.

I STILL MANAGE THE PROGRAM.

UM, I KEEP TRACK OF ALL THE BIG MONEY IN THE COORDINATION WITH THE BILLING COMPANY ITSELF IN THE HOSPITAL, ET CETERA.

AND, UH, MS. TIERNEY DOES THE DAY TO DAY, UH, RECORDS, REVIEW, AND ACTUAL BILLING OF THOSE RECORDS.

WE DO HAVE FORMAL POLICIES AND PROCEDURES THAT I UPDATE EVERY TWO YEARS.

ONCE YOU APPROVE, UH, OUR CHARGES AND THEN THE CHIEF WILL, UH, WE'LL APPROVE THOSE POLICIES AND THEY'LL BE ATTACHED WITH THAT.

UH, THE BILLING RATES IS WHAT WILL COME BACK TO YOU ALL.

SO WE TALKED ABOUT DOING THIS ONCE A YEAR, BUT THERE WASN'T ENOUGH OF A CHANGE IN THE MEDICARE RATES ANNUALLY TO REALLY MAKE IT WORTH OUR TIME GOING THROUGH IT ABOUT EVERY TWO YEARS, IT'S RIGHT WHERE IT IS WORTH US INCREASING OUR RATES, UH, TO BRING IN THE CORRESPONDING REVENUE.

AND THAT'S ALL CORRESPONDING WITH THE MEDICARE APPROVED RATES.

WE DO HAVE A SOFT BILLING APPROACH, UH, MEANING WE DO CHARGE.

HOWEVER, IF YOU DON'T HAVE INSURANCE AND YOU CAN'T PAY, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT COMING AFTER YOU.

SO AS FAR AS A COUNTY RESIDENT GOES, WE DO ASK IS IF YOU DO HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE THAT WE BILL YOUR MEDICAL INSURANCE, AND WHATEVER'S LEFTOVER, WE WRITE OFF FOR COUNTY RESIDENTS.

IF A COUNTY RESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE, WE'RE GOING TO WRITE IT OFF.

IF AN OUT OF COUNTY RESIDENT DOESN'T HAVE MEDICAL INSURANCE, WE'RE GOING TO END UP WRITING IT OFF OR NEGOTIATING, YOU KNOW, GIVE ME 50 BUCKS, GIVE ME SOMETHING, RIGHT.

AND THEN THAT'S THE SAME THING AT THE BOTTOM.

UH, WE DO HAVE SOME LEGAL SETTLEMENTS THAT I KEEP OPEN FOR TWO TO THREE YEARS, UH, WHILE WE'RE WAITING ON A LAWYER TO SETTLE.

AND, AND SO SOMETIMES WE'LL GET SOMETHING BACK FROM THEM.

ANY QUESTIONS THERE? I GOT AN EMAIL FROM A RESIDENT OF MY AREA THAT, UM, HER HUSBAND WAS TAKING AND SHE JUST RECEIVED VA IS SUPPOSED TO PAY, BUT WE ALL KNOW VA TAKES FOREVER.

UM, BUT SHE GOT A BILL FROM THE COUNTY, UM, AND SHE WAS ASKING ME AND I SAID, WELL, JUST WHAT YOU READ HERE THAT I THOUGHT, YOU KNOW, IF YOUR INSURANCE PAYS FINE, IF IT DOESN'T, YOU DON'T HAVE TO PAY IT.

BUT SHE SAID, SHE GOT A BILL THAT SAID SHE OWES THAT.

SO SHE SHOULD IGNORE THAT.

NO, I HAVE HER PHONE NUMBER AND I'M GOING TO CALL HER.

I WILL GET HER VA INFORMATION AND THEN WE'LL BILL IT AND SHE'LL BE DONE.

AND IF I GET A DOLLAR FROM THE VA, GREAT, IF I GET $0 FROM THE VA VA, WELL, THAT'S GREAT TOO.

AND THEN THAT WAY THE BILLING COMPANY CAN CLOSE OUT WITH HER AND SHE WON'T HAVE TO PAY, BUT THE BILLING COMPANY CONTACTED HER BECAUSE THE BILLING COMPANY HAD NO MONETARY INFORMATION FROM HER AT ALL.

WHEREAS TYPICALLY, AND IN HER CASE, WE DID NOT TRANSPORT THE PATIENT TO THE LOCAL HOSPITAL.

THEY DIDN'T GET THE INSURANCE INFORMATION THAT WOULD EVENTUALLY GET BACK TO US BECAUSE OF THE WAY THAT THAT PATIENT WAS TAKEN CARE OF.

THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

WELL, I'M GLAD YOU GOT THAT EMAIL AS WELL.

I WAS THAT'S ON MY TO-DO LIST.

IT WAS ON MINE AS WELL.

SO WE CAN BOTH START CHECKING THAT OFF.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT.

AND I THINK I'M GOING TO BE RIGHT ON THIS.

UH, YOU KNOW, SOME PEOPLE DON'T UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, AFTER SO MANY BILLS, YOU KNOW, IT DOES GO, WE'VE NEVER SAID, WENT TO COLLECTION.

YOU KNOW, WE NEVER, WE DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ATTORNEY ON, WELL, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY OF RECORD, I GUESS, BUT CERTAINLY WE WE'VE NEVER HAD TO GO AFTER ANYBODY WE'VE CHOSEN NOT TO.

FIRE AND EMS TRAINING PROGRAMS ARE DESIGNED AND TASKED WITH PROVIDING EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITIES AND CONTINUING EDUCATION TO THE CAREER AND VOLUNTEER RESPONSE SYSTEM.

IT'S NOT GOOD PR FOR ONE.

AND, UH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S WHY WE, UH, WE TOOK THE SOFT APPROACH AND I GUARANTEE YOU PROBABLY ARE COMPLAINTS.

AND 15 YEARS THERE'S ONLY BEEN 20.

I, I DON'T THINK SHE WAS COMPLAINING.

I THINK SHE JUST WAS UNSURE.

AND SHE SOUNDS LIKE MYSELF.

IF, IF I GET A BILL, I WANT TO PAY IT.

I DON'T WANT TO ASSUME ANYTHING.

SO SHE WAS JUST DOUBLE-CHECKING AND SOME PEOPLE, UH, SOME PEOPLE PAY THEIR, I'M SORRY, SOME PEOPLE WON'T UNDERSTAND IT AND THEY'LL WRITE US A CHECK.

AND HOW MANY THOSE REFUNDS WE SEND BACK.

WE REFUND MONEY BACK.

I HAVE TO, IT'S FUNNY TREASURER.

SO MOVING THROUGH THE PROGRAM NOW UP NEXT IS OUR FIRE AND EMS TRAINING PROGRAMS. OUR

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UH, THIS IS, WE PROVIDE BOTH ENTRY LEVEL FIRE AND EMT ACADEMY LEVEL TRAININGS.

SO ANY VOLUNTEER WHO WANTS TO COME IN, WE, WE, WE, WE BUILD THIS AS VOLUNTEER FOR US.

YOU GET FREE ON THE JOB TRAINING.

UM, JERRY, WHAT AGES CAN SOMEBODY JOIN IN THAT TRAINING? IS THERE, IS THAT HIGH SCHOOL OR IS THAT SO YES, UH, ULTIMATELY THE FIREFIGHTER ACADEMY, WE HAVE TO FOLLOW, UM, CHILD LABOR LAWS.

UH, SO ULTIMATELY YOU CAN, YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THE FIRE ACADEMY AT 16 YEARS OF AGE WITH PARENTAL CONSENT.

SO THE STATE HAS FORMS DOCUMENTATION THAT YOU HAVE TO FILL OUT, WE GOT TO GET IT WITNESSED BY YOUR PARENT OR GUARDIAN.

THEN THEY HAVE TO SIGN OFF ON YOU BEING ABLE TO ATTEND, UH, THE EMT ACADEMY, SAME THING, 16 YEARS OF AGE, BUT YOU CAN'T BECOME A PRACTICING EMT UNTIL YOU'RE 18 YEARS OF AGE.

AT 16, IF YOU COMPLETE THE FIRE ACADEMY, YOU CAN ENTER THAT IDLH ENVIRONMENT, AS LONG AS YOU HAVE THAT TRAINING.

SO 16 IS KIND OF THAT MAGIC NUMBER.

SOME OF OUR VOLUNTEER STATIONS ALLOW VOLUNTEERS TO JOIN AT 14 YEARS OF AGE, THEY JUST CAN'T DO ANY HIGH-RISK ACTIVITIES.

YOU COULD COME HELP MORSE THE FI YOU CAN BE INVOLVED IN PART OF THE, THE, THE BROTHER AND SISTERHOOD AND BE INVOLVED IN THE STATION.

YOU CAN'T CLIMB A LADDER.

YOU CAN'T JUMP OUT OF A WINDOW IN A RESCUE SITUATION AS AN EXAMPLE, BUT YOU CAN PARTICIPATE IN THOSE JANITORIAL DUTIES, FUNDRAISING DUTIES, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO BETWEEN 14 AND 16, DEPENDING ON THE STATION, IS THAT, THAT MAGIC NUMBER.

GOING TO PUT AN ASTERISK ON THAT NUMBER.

UM, QUESTION, WHAT HAS BEEN THE FINAL DETERMINATION OF THE FIRE TRAINING FACILITY THAT HAS BEEN PROPOSED SO MANY TIMES? UM, GOOD QUESTION, BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO SEE THAT ON FUTURE PROJECTS, UM, OUR FIRE TRAINING CENTER, ULTIMATELY YOU ALL REPLACED IN A PRECARIOUS SITUATION WITH THE COVID OUTBREAK AND THAT STARTING TO TAKE PLACE TO MAKE THE DECISION TO TABLE THAT AUTOMATICALLY WITH THAT PROJECT, GETTING TABLED, WE ENVISIONED THE COST AND SPEAKING TO THE LOW BID CONTRACTOR TIME THAT THE, THE COST WOULD HAVE ACTUALLY ROSE OUTSIDE OF OUR REACH TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE IT.

SO YOU TABLED IT, WE PUT IT ON THE BOOKSHELF.

WE ARE NOW GOING TO BREAK THAT BACK OFF OF, OFF OF THE BOOKSHELF, UM, AND START TO EVALUATE, DO WE GO WITH THE MODEL THAT WE HAD, I E THE CONEX CONTAINER LOOK FOR THOSE TYPES OF THINGS, OR DO WE GO WITH A BRICK AND MORTAR FACILITY IN APPROACH THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT OF FIRE PROGRAMS FOR A BURN BUILDING GRANT? SO, CAN WE, CAN WE USE THE MONEY THAT WE WOULD'VE SPENT FROM THE CONEX CONTAINER TO BE MATCHING FUNDS FOR MAYBE A GRANT PROGRAM? SO WE'LL WORK WITH OUR CHIEF STAFF TO FIGURE OUT HOW THEY WANT TO PROCEED.

AND ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO ASK FOR IS A COMMITTEE TO BE A PANELED, UM, TO START HAVING THOSE DISCUSSIONS ON HOW WE WANT TO PROCEED FROM A SYSTEM.

AND IS IT LOCATION STILL ON RIGHT? 55? WHAT EAST OF ROYAL NOW? SO WE'RE STILL USING THAT AS OUR CLASSROOM CENTERS.

UM, ULTIMATELY, SO BY SPEAKING WITH MS. LOGAN AND THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, UM, THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT WAS APPROVED WILL EXPIRE.

AND IF WE DON'T MEET THAT TIMEFRAME, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE ABLE TO, WE'LL HAVE TO RE WE'LL HAVE TO GO BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION THAT'LL HAVE TO COME BACK TO THE BOARD.

SO IT'S NOT LOCKED IN STONE.

I KNOW MR. MABE HAS ASKED SOME QUESTIONS IN REFERENCE TO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

WE'LL GET ALL OF THAT ANSWER.

WE'VE JUST PUT IT ON THE BACK BURNER AT THIS POINT IN TIME BECAUSE OF THE COVID SITUATION.

YEAH, NO, ABSOLUTELY.

UM, THE MONEY THAT WE HAVE IN FIREPOLE GRANT FUNDS WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE USED AS MATCHING FUNDS FOR A FIRE PROGRAM GRANT, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

SO WE'LL HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER AVENUE, ANOTHER SOURCE OF FUNDING TO MAKE IT MATCHES.

THEN WE CAN SPEND THESE FUNDS ON OTHER FIRE DEPARTMENTS, ALLEVIATE PRESSURES, RIGHT.

UH, YOU KNOW, AND, AND MAYBE THAT IN, IN THIS BUILDING, THERE MAY BE SOME THINGS THAT THEY WOULDN'T COVER THAT WE CAN'T.

SO IN 2019, OUR TRAINING DIVISION, UH, COMPLETED 47 TRAINING PROGRAMS TO A TOTAL OF 514 STUDENTS, OR A TOTAL OF 452 COURSE HOURS, OR ADDED ALTOGETHER 6,146 TRAINING HOURS TO OUR CAREER AND VOLUNTEER RESPONSE SYSTEM.

I'M

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DON'T GET EXCITED.

WE'RE NOT EVEN GOING TO GET CLOSE FOR 2020.

COVID REALLY IMPACTED OUR TRAINING PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.

THE STATE AGENCY SHUT DOWN.

THEY WOULDN'T EVEN ACCEPT COURSE REQUESTS.

WE CONTINUED ON WITH OUR NEW VOLUNTEER ORIENTATION, THE ENTRY-LEVEL TRAININGS THAT WE COULD DO LOCALLY.

UH, WE EVEN SUSPENDED BY, BY VIRTUE, IN NATURE OF THE ACTIVITIES WE SUSPENDED OUR CPR PROGRAMS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE TOUCHING, THE MANNEQUINS, ALL OF THAT.

SO WE'VE NOW STARTED INTRODUCING TRAINING BACK INTO OUR RESPONSE SYSTEM.

WE'RE WORKING ON A TRAINING PLAN ON HOW TO START OFFERING ADDITIONAL CLASSES, BUT OUR, OUR TRAINING NUMBERS ARE GOING TO BE NOWHERE CLOSE FOR 2020, OUR VOLUNTEERS RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION SERVICES.

ULTIMATELY, UH, WE CAME BEFORE THE BOARD PROBABLY FOUR YEARS AGO IN PITCHED A PLANE.

UM, AND THAT WAS TO ESTABLISH A PART-TIME POSITION WITHIN FIRE ADMINISTRATION.

BRENDA DEAL IS OUR VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION COORDINATOR.

UH, WE HIRED HER BRENDA, WE, WE, SHE CAME TO THE DEPARTMENT AND CHIEF AND I WAS ABLE TO SIT DOWN WITH AND SAID, WE HAVE HIRED YOU TO PERFORM AN IMPOSSIBLE TASK, FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THE VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT AND RETENTION SITUATION IN WARREN COUNTY.

BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU IF SHE FIGURES IT OUT, SHE'S GOING TO QUIT HERE AND SHE'S GOING TO MARKET IT NATIONWIDE AND MAKE A LOT OF MONEY.

BUT, BUT IN REALITY, HER TASK IS JUST THAT TO EVALUATE DATA AND INFORMATION ON OUR VOLUNTEERS, IN THE SITUATIONS WITHIN OUR LOCALITY AND MAKE AND WORK WITH OUR VOLUNTEER SYSTEMS TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF SOMEBODY WALKED UP TO ME FIVE YEARS AGO AND SAID, HEY, UM, WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS TO VOLUNTEER AT MY SCHOOL FIRE STATION? MY ANSWER WAS DEPENDS.

DEPENDS ON WHAT STATION YOU JOIN, WHAT AGE YOU CAN JOIN.

DEPENDS ON WHAT IS THE APPLICATION PROCESS.

YOU, I COULDN'T GIVE YOU AN APPLICATION BECAUSE IT WAS DIFFERENT AND SPECIFIC TO EACH STATION.

SO FOR EXAMPLE, BRENDA HAS WORKED WITH OUR VOLUNTEER SYSTEM TO DO A COUNTY-WIDE STANDARD APPLICATION FOR VOLUNTEERISM TO GET EACH STATION, TO ALIGN THE REQUIREMENTS.

THAT'S THE SAME ACROSS THE BOARD.

SO WE COULD CONVEY THAT MESSAGE.

CAUSE WHAT WE NOTED WAS IF YOU EXPRESSED INTEREST TODAY AND WE DIDN'T FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IMMEDIATELY, THAT INTEREST WAS GONE TOMORROW.

SO WE HAVE A BRIEF MOMENT OF OPPORTUNITY TO CAPTURE YOUR ATTENTION, TO GET YOU IN THE DOOR, TO GET YOU MOVING, GET YOU MOTIVATED OR WE'D LOSE YOU.

BRENDA, IF YOU TAKEN, YOU JOINED THE SYSTEM AND YOU'RE A MEMBER FOR TWO YEARS OR MORE AND YOU LEAVE AND YOU NO LONGER ARE ACTIVE.

SHE'S DOING AN EXIT INTERVIEW WITH YOU.

SHE IS CAPTURING.

WHY DID YOU LEAVE? WAS THAT A TIME ISSUE? WAS IT CHILDREN? WAS IT WORK? WAS IT AN INTERNAL CONFLICT? WAS IT TRAINING OPPORTUNITIES? SO WE'RE COMPILING DATA.

SO WE CAN TAKE A LARGE LOOK AT IT EVENTUALLY AND FIGURE OUT WHAT OUR STRENGTHS AND WEAKNESSES ARE IN THE VOLUNTEER RESPONSE SYSTEM.

WE DON'T HAVE A VOLUNTEER RECRUITMENT PROBLEM.

WE HAVE OUR RETENTION PROP.

WE HAVE APPLICATIONS COMING IN OUR OFFICE ALL THE TIME.

WE JUST AREN'T ABLE TO CAPTURE THEM AND KEEP THEM FOR AN EXTENDED PERIOD OF TIME.

BUT WE'RE DOING A BETTER JOB.

SHE'S WORKING WITH OUR VOLUNTEER RESPONSE SYSTEM TO FIX WHAT WE KNOW IS A NATIONWIDE PROBLEM.

SO IN 2018 AND FPA RELEASED A REPORT ON VOLUNTEERISM IN THE UNITED STATES.

AND ULTIMATELY IN 1983, WE HAD 884,000 VOLUNTEER FIREFIGHTERS ACROSS THE NATION TODAY, THAT NUMBER 682, WE SAW AN UPTICK.

IF YOU LOOK AT THIS, IT'S A DECLINE DECLINE IN THE 2000.

AND, UH, UM, AND THE 2001 AREA, WE START TO SEE AN UPTICK A LITTLE BIT.

AND ULTIMATELY THAT WAS NINE 11.

WE STARTED TO SEE AN INCREASE IN VOLUNTEERISM AFTER NINE 11, FIREFIGHTERS PLASTERED ALL OVER TV, THE TRAGIC EVENTS OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, ET CETERA, JUST LIKE THE MILITARY.

THEY SAW AN UPTICK IN PEOPLE JOINING THE MILITARY OF THE ARMED SERVICES.

UM, YOU KNOW, BUT WE ALSO UNDERSTAND TO TODAY EVEN MORE SO WE'RE FACED WITH THE GENERATIONAL CHANGES IN THE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

SO BRENDA'S JOB IS TO WORK THROUGH ALL OF THAT.

WITH THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT THE DEPARTMENT HAS WORKED ON SEVERAL SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS, UM, THROUGH, UH, THE LAST COUPLE YEARS TO INCLUDE THE RIVERMONT FIRE STATION REPLACEMENT PROJECT.

THE SAFER GRANT WAS ADDING SIX MEMBERS.

SO THEY'RE ON WEEK TWO OF THEIR MODIFIED RECRUIT SCHOOL.

UH, THEY HAVE THE DAY OFF, UH, TOMORROW

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THEY COME BACK FOR STATION ROTATIONS.

THEN THEY'RE BACK IN THE CLASSROOM ON FRIDAY, UH, COUNTYWIDE SCBA REPLACEMENT PROGRAM.

WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF GETTING ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT IN AND OUTFITTED IN THE APPARATUS WHERE THERE WAS A MANUFACTURING ISSUE ON SOME OF THE EQUIPMENT, BUT WE HAVE THE BASELINE SCBA ZONE.

WE'RE WAITING FOR THE WRIT PACKS TO COME IN THE GAS METER REPLACEMENT PROGRAM THAT YOU APPROVE, THAT ALL OF THAT HAS BEEN, UH, OUTFITTED ON OUR APPARATUS ON JUST IN TIME FOR THE CARBON MONOXIDE SEASON, WITH THE COLD WEATHER COMING IN, UM, IN PLACE.

SO A LOT OF SIGNIFICANT PROJECTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE TO ENHANCE OUR FIRE AND EMS DELIVERY SYSTEM, UH, WITH THAT WE'LL ACHIEVE COME UP AND TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE FUTURE PROJECTS AND GOALS.

UM, AND LET HIM SELL YOU ON WRITING US A COUPLE MORE CHECKS BEFORE HE LEAVES.

SO APPARENTLY OFF CENTER REFUND CHECKS.

UM, I'D LIKE TO SAY TOO, THAT, UH, THE CURRENT PROJECTS, AND WE'RE PRETTY PROUD OF THIS.

WE WANT TO THANK YOU ALL THE PREVIOUS BOARDS THAT ALLOWED US TO PUT IN PLACE THIS COST RECOVERY SYSTEM.

UM, WE WERE THE FIRST DEPARTMENT IN NORTHERN VALLEY TO ACTUALLY PUT IT IN PLACE, BUT WE WERE LOOKING AT THE TIME WE WERE LOOKING AT PLACES TO RAISE OR, OR GENERATE MORE FUNDS TO FUND.

SO WE DIDN'T HAVE TO GO TO YOU AND GO TO THE, UH, TO, TO THE CITIZENS OF THE COUNTY AND RAISE TAXES.

NOBODY LIKES THAT.

I LIKE WHAT JERRY SAID.

HE'S, UH, WE, NONE OF US, NONE OF US LIKE TO RAISE TAXES CAUSE WE HAVE TO PAY TAXES.

I'M LIVING HERE.

HOW MUCH MONEY DOES COST RECOVERY BRING INTO THE FIRE SYSTEM? IF I SAID DOWN ENOUGH, WOULD THAT BE ANY GOOD? NO.

UM, WE HAVE, UM, WE, UH, THE RICK RUNS A GREAT SYSTEM OF, OF GETTING THE BILLS IN AND GETTING THEM OUT THERE.

AND THIS YEAR WE WERE SOMEWHERE BETWEEN, WE HAVEN'T CONSOLIDATED AND FINALIZED IT YET SOMEWHERE, PROBABLY BETWEEN 800,000 AND 900,000.

AND, AND HE GETS PUT BACK INTO THE SYSTEM AND THAT STUFF, WE, UH, WE PURCHASE THINGS LIKE, UH, LET ME GO BACK.

HE TOOK IT DOWN OTHER THAN THE RIVERMONT FIRE STATION.

UH, THE SAFER GRANT WILL, WE WILL COVER THE, UH, UH, MATCHING FUNDS WITH COST RECOVERY MONEY.

UH, THE SE A BASIS S CBA, UH, REPLACEMENT PROGRAM WILL COVER THAT WITH COST RECOVERY.

WE DON'T HAVE TO COME TO THE BOARD AND ASK FOR THOSE COUPLE OF HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS YOU, UH, APPROVED US TO GO FORWARD.

I SAID A LITTLE WHILE AGO, UH, FOR A NEW MEDIC UNIT FOR THE LONDON FIRE STATION.

AND, UM, WE GOT GOOD SCORES ON THAT AND WE WILL MATCH THAT WITH COST RECOVERY FUNDS, UM, AND, AND A, UH, UH, MOTORIZED, UH, STRETCHER.

UM, AND WE'LL BE COMING THROUGH, YOU PROBABLY WILL.

THE NEW CHIEF WERE PROUD OF ME COMING TO YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE THAT'S, THAT'S ONE OF THE PIECES OF EQUIPMENT THAT, UH, WILL SAVE US IN THE LONG RUN, BACK INJURIES AND SO FORTH.

UH, AND ALSO HOPEFULLY AFTER THE FIRST OF THE YEAR, WE'LL KNOW THAT, OH, HERE IT IS RIGHT HERE.

A POWER LIFT IS WHAT THEY CALL IT.

UM, I'M GOING TO TALK A LITTLE BIT, UH, IF, IF, UH, IF, UH, UH, IF, IF DR.

ED WOULD ALLOW ME TO ON THIS, UH, RADIO REPLACEMENT NOW, UM, I'VE, I'VE PUT IN SOMETHING TO THE BOARD FOR REPLACING SOME RADIOS.

UH, THESE WILL BE ALL BAND RADIOS.

UH, THAT'LL GET US IN COMMUNICATION WITH, WELL, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH EVERYBODY AROUND US AND, UH, BUT ESPECIALLY FOC HERE.

SO KEEP THAT IN MIND WHEN, WHEN THAT COMES UP, ANNUAL EMPLOYEE PHYSICALS WILL BE COMING TO, YOU KNOW, THE NEW CHIEF WILL BE COMING TO YOU ABOUT, WE FOUND A PLACE AT, UH, THAT WE CAN GET PHYSICALS, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE SAFER GRANT WAS TO GIVE OUR NEW EMPLOYEES A 15 NFTA, 1582 PHYSICAL.

UM, WE TRIED WORKING IT THROUGH VALLEY MEDICAL.

THEY DIDN'T HAVE TECHNICALLY A 1582, BUT WE TRIED TO PIECE THOSE THINGS IN LIKE A STRESS TEST.

AND IT, IT AMOUNTED TO A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN THE 1200 OR SO DOLLARS THAT, UH, WE'RE GETTING, UH, PAYING FOR EACH EMPLOYEE TO GET THAT 1582 PHYSICAL, UM, IN WINCHESTER IT'S MADE JUST FOR FIRE AND RESCUE THAT'S WHERE FREDERICK AND WINCHESTER GET THERE.

SO WE'RE GOING TO RIDE ON THEIR CONTRACT, THERE'LL BE COMING TO YOU WITH THE FIVE-YEAR STAFFING PLAN.

SO YOU'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT EARLY ON, UH, CAUSE WE DISCUSSED IT A LITTLE BIT WHEN WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, THE GRANT AND WE OPTED TO GO WITH THE SIX VERSUS A 12 AND 15.

THERE'LL BE TALKING

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TO YOU ABOUT THAT.

UM, THE VOLUNTEER LOW SAP, WHICH IS A LENGTH OF SERVICE, UH, PROGRAM FOR VOLUNTEERS, UM, IT'S, IT'S REALLY HARD PRESSED.

IT COSTS A LOT OF MONEY AT FIRST, BUT IT IT'S KINDA LIKE A RETIREMENT SYSTEM FOR VOLUNTEERS WHO VOLUNTEER FOR 15 YEARS AND THE COUNTY CONTRIBUTES THAT PORTION INTO A RE LIKE A RETIREMENT SYSTEM.

AND, UH, UH, YOU'LL END UP DRAWING 250, $300 A MONTH AS YOU RETIRE FROM THE VOLUNTEER SYSTEM.

AND, UM, UH, AS YOU KNOW, IT'S GOT TO TAKE AN INVESTMENT TO GET IN IT, TO START WITH, BUT, UM, YOU CAN DRAW THE PROGRAM UP THAT FITS YOUR LOCALITY AND WHAT THE BOARD THINKS THAT THEY CAN AFFORD.

UM, FRONT ROW FIRE DEPARTMENT, A REPLACEMENT THAT WAS PUT IN THERE BY THE SPRING STEAD STUDY, WHERE WE WERE ALREADY OVER SEVERAL YEARS.

I KNOW YOU DIDN'T WANT TO HEAR THAT BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T OPENED THE DOOR OF RIVERMONT YET.

UH, AND, AND THAT'S GOING TO BE QUITE EXPENSIVE AS WELL.

SO THERE'S A, UH, A LOT OF, UH, FUTURE PLANS THAT I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO BE SEEING THAT WERE PUT IN PLACE, UH, UM, UH, BY THIS FIRE DEPARTMENT.

UH, AND WE'RE CERTAINLY SURE THAT ANY NEW CHIEF IS GOING TO COME IN AND LOOK AT SOME OF THE THINGS THAT THE PLANS AND HE, I'M SURE HE'LL HAVE HIS OWN PLAN FORWARD AND THIS, BUT, YOU KNOW, THESE ARE THE THINGS THAT I'D BE HARD PRESSED TO SAY THAT HE WOULDN'T BUY INTO.

CAN WE GO BACK TO THESE RADIOS AGAIN FOR A MINUTE, CHIEF BOSS FOR YEARS, THE LONDON FIRE DEPARTMENT, EVERYBODY KNOWS MY STATION FOR IS ON JOHN MARSHALL HIGHWAY.

YOU KNOW, THEY'RE LIKE A MILE AND A HALF ON THE FOC AIRLINE.

THEY HAVE A FIRST DO AREA IN FOC HERE ALL THE WAY DOWN TO MARK MARKHAM.

AND, UH, THEY'VE BEEN RUNNING IT FOR YEARS.

FARC YEAR HAS NEVER OPTED TO CONTRIBUTE, UH, TO WARREN COUNTY FIRE AND RESCUE OR TO STATION FOUR FOR THAT SERVICE.

UH, I DARE SAY THEY RUN 200 CALLS A YEAR THAT SOMETIMES OVER THE WEEKEND, THEY'LL GO FIVE, SIX, EIGHT TIMES ON THE INTERSTATE 66, JUST FOR ACCIDENTS ALONG THAT LINE.

UM, WHAT, I'M, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR HERE, THE SHORT OF IT IS RADIOS THAT WILL ALLOW US TO COMMUNICATE WITH FOC HERE.

LOCATED RIGHT ON THAT INTERSTATE RIGHT THERE.

UH, THE PLAN CALLS, IT'S CERTAINLY NOT A DEPARTMENT WIDE PLAN BECAUSE OF THE COST PLUS, UH, WHEN WE MET WITH STATION NINE, I THINK, UH, UH, CHUCKY BROGAN OR LIEUTENANT BROGAN AND THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS TALKING ABOUT IT, HE NEW RADIO SYSTEM, AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THAT MILLION DOLLARS THAT IT WOULD COST WHEN I'M OUT HERE TO ASK YOU FOR A MILLION DOLLARS TONIGHT.

BUT I KINDA MADE THAT UP A MORE, UM, UH, ACCEPTABLE AMOUNT.

WE THINK NOW FOR, FOR THE REASONING I'VE, UH, I'VE LOST STATION FOR TWO WORKING FIRES IN FOC HERE, WHETHER IT'D BE THE WHOLE COMPANY OR THEIR TANK OR FOR HOURS, BECAUSE OUR RADIO SYSTEM WON'T, UH, WON'T GET ALL THE WAY TO MARSHALL AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND THEY GO TO MARSHALL OCCASIONALLY ON FIRES AND SPILL AND SO FORTH, AND WE LOSE THAT ACCOUNTABILITY.

SO WHAT I'VE HAD, WHAT I'M ASKING FOR IS IT ENDS UP COMING TO BED 11, I'M SORRY, $105,000, UH, IS WHAT IT IS, WHAT THAT DOES.

IS IT PRETTY MUCH OUTFITS? IT DOESN'T OUTFIT ANY COMPANY LIKE WE WOULD WANT IN THE NEAR FUTURE.

I'M LEAVING THAT TO THE NEW RADIO SYSTEM COMMITTEE.

THAT'S, UH, THAT'S GOING TO START MEETING, I THINK, FRIDAY AND WORKING THEIR WAY TOWARD, UH, YOU KNOW, WHERE THEY'LL END UP, BUT, UH, LIKE STATION FOUR, SINCE THEY ROUTINELY GO, I'M PUTTING OFF ASKED FOR MOBILE RADIOS AND THEIR ENGINE, UH, THE AMBULANCE, UH, AND SO FORTH.

AND THAT PLAN WILL BE WITHIN THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS, AGENDA ITEM, AND, UH, UH, WE'VE INCLUDED WELL FRONT ROW AND INCLUDED THEIR OWN.

THEY SPENT $55,000 OF THEIR OWN MONEY WHEN THEY GOT THE NEW, UM, ENGINE AND THE NEW, UH, UM, SQUAD.

THEY WENT AHEAD WHILE IT WAS AT THE FACTORY AND THEY WENT OUT AND PURCHASED THE RADIOS AND PUT IT PUT IN THAT RIGHT NOW.

I AM, I AM, UH, IN, IN CONSULTATION WITH THEM ABOUT EVEN, UH, UH, REPLACING PART OF THAT.

BUT THAT'S NOT A PART OF THIS ONE HERE.

THIS ONE WILL INCLUDE LYNDON, UH, SHENANDOAH FARMS, COMPANY SIX THAT COMES IN ON 17 AND RUNS INTO THE FARC HERE.

UM, OCCASIONALLY FOR FIRES, BIG ENOUGH, UH, SHENANDOAH SHORES, YOU KNOW, WOULD GO, THEY WOULD SEND A TANKER.

AND, UH, BECAUSE NUMBER 10 IS

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THEY, THEY GO IN INTO THAT TOO.

SO I'M TRYING TO GET AT LEAST THE MOBILE AND THE PORTABLE IN EACH OF THOSE UNITS THAT GO IN AND ROUTINELY GO IN THERE.

SO WE'LL KEEP, WE'LL BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE WITH THEM.

DOES EVERY STATION NEEDED? YES, SIR.

BECAUSE WHAT THAT'LL DO IS IT WILL ELIMINATE THE RADIO SYSTEM WE HAVE, AND EVERYBODY WILL BE ABLE TO TALK TO EVERYBODY AROUND IT.

CAUSE IT'S, IT'S AN ALL BAND.

DOES THAT ALLOW YOU TO TALK TO THE POLICE OR THE, OR THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT? SIR, IF, IF EVERYBODY'S GOT THE SAME RADIO, THEN WE'RE TALKING TO THEM FOR ASKING, BUT WHY ARE YOU ASKING FOR JUST PART OF THAT INSTEAD OF ASKING FOR ALL OF IT, TO GET EVERYBODY ON THE SAME FREQUENCY? WELL, UM, THE BEST ANSWER I CAN COME UP WITH IS THAT PROGRAM WOULD COST OVER A MILLION DOLLARS.

UH, I DIDN'T EVEN ESTIMATE IT OR WE, THESE RADIOS I CAN, I'M SORRY.

ARE WE NOT GOING TO BITE THAT OFF OVER A PERIOD OF TIME TO DO THAT ANYWAY? YES, SIR.

THAT'S ALL I WAS TALKING ABOUT LIEUTENANT.

UH, HE THOUGHT, BUT LIEUTENANT BROGAN FROM THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT IS HEADING THAT UP WITH THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND WE HAVE A MEMBER ON THERE.

THIS IS REALLY, I HATE TO SAY IT BECAUSE IT'S PROBABLY TALKING IT'S A BAND-AID FIX RIGHT NOW.

BUT THE GOOD THING ABOUT IT IS IF WE SPEND THIS MONEY NOW AND PUT THESE RADIOS INTO UNITS, WHEN IT COMES TIME TO, UH, UH, TO CONSIDER THAT PROPOSAL, THESE RADIOS ARE ALREADY BOUGHT, PURCHASED, AND INSTALLED AND BEING USED.

YOU WON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THAT.

SO YOU'LL, YOU'LL, I WON'T SAY YOU'LL BE ABLE TO SAVE A HUNDRED THOUSAND DOLLARS, CAUSE WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL COST IN TWO YEARS, BUT YOU'LL SAVE, YOU'LL SAVE THE MONEY OF HAVING TO THROW THESE RADIOS AWAY AND PUT NEW RADIOS IN THERE.

HOW MANY, UH, HOW MANY CALLS DO WE MAKE TO FALL TO YOUR COUNTY? I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO ASK YOU IF YOU SAID THAT FORCIER DOESN'T OFFER HOW AGGRESSIVE HAVE WE GONE TO THEM AND SAID, WE RUN A LOT OF CALLS IN YOUR COUNTY AND YOU NEED TO PONY UP.

SO, UM, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION THAT AT LONDON, BUT I'M GOING TO GUESS NOT VERY MUCH, BUT I DID.

AND I GOT FULL PORTABLE RADIOS.

AND I CAN TELL YOU FROM THE LINDEN STATION, WE WENT OUT AND DID TESTING ON THE, WITH A PORTABLE AND WE CAN'T EVEN MARK IN ROUTE UNTIL WE REACH A, A TWO WHEEL WELL INTO MAYBE THE TWO 16, NOT TWO 16, THE, UH, UM, 13, 13.

IS THAT THE LINE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? PROBABLY THE 15 OR 16 MILE MARKER BEFORE WE COULD EVER HAVE, UH, NOW, UH, I MEAN, RADIOS WOULD BE ONE THING, BUT I MEAN, WE, WE CONTRIBUTE TO GESTURE GAP.

WE CAN TRIBUTE, UM, TO MIDDLETOWN BECAUSE THEY HELP SUPPORT US IF WE'RE SUPPORTING THEM.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVEN'T HAD SOME KIND OF A SIT DOWN DISCUSSION ON MUTUAL AID WITH THEM AS WELL.

I MEAN, CLARK COUNTY EVEN GIVES, GIVES, I DON'T WANT TO HOW MUCH, BUT, UM, SO IT, SO WE NEGOTIATED THAT WHEN WE TOOK OVER A COMPANY SIX, WELL, I BECAME A COUNTY STATION, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T.

UM, I REALLY DON'T HAVE AN ANSWER FOR YOU OTHER THAN, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE GOT OUT OF IT WAS, UH, WAS FULL PORTABLE RADIOS THAT AREN'T SUFFICIENT.

WE'RE GOING TO USE THEM THAT WILL ALLOW US TO GO WITH PORTABLES, UM, ON SOME OF THESE UNITS AND SAVE US FROM HAVING TO BUY FOUR MORE PORTABLES THAT BY THE WAY, AROUND $10,000 A PIECE.

AND, UM, CAUSE THIS IS, THIS IS HIGH TECH STUFF HERE.

NOW, WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A RADIO THAT WILL REACH FOUR OR FIVE, SIX DIFFERENT FREQUENCIES.

WELL, MY OTHER QUESTION HERE ON THE RADIOS IS IF WE BUY A FEW NOW AND A COUPLE MORE DOWN THE ROAD, TECHNOLOGY HAS CHANGED IN SO MUCH, ARE THEY EVEN GOING TO BE COMPATIBLE OR ARE WE GOING TO SPEND THIS MONEY? AND THEN THEY'RE NOT GOING TO MATCH UP.

SO WOULD IT BE BETTER TO BUY IT AS MUCH AS THAT'S A BIG TICKET ITEM, BUT YEAH, I'M GOING TO, I'M GOING TO GUESS YOU PROBABLY, RIGHT.

WE KNOW HOW TECHNOLOGY CHANGES, BUT, UH, BUT THIS, THIS PROGRAM THEY'RE HOT AND HEAVY TO GET THIS, UH, TO GET THIS PROGRAM GOING.

I KNOW WE HAVE A MEETING FRIDAY AND, UH, YEAH, I'M REALLY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING IMMEDIATE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

AND, UH, WITH THE HOPE THAT IF THE TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T CHANGE, WE'LL BE ABLE TO USE THOSE RADIOS.

UH, UH, AND EVEN IF WE DON'T, IT'S SOMETHING WE CAN SELL.

IF THAT MAKES SENSE.

NOT THAT THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING TO DO BY ANY MEANS.

UM, I GUESS I'M LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO FIRST AID, YOU KNOW, THIS, THIS DEAL HERE.

UM, WELL, I'D, I'D RATHER SEE

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US GO FOR TECHNOLOGY.

THAT'S GONNA TAKE US 10 TO 15 YEARS IN THE FUTURE.

NOT A SHORT-TERM FIX THAT MAYBE THREE YEARS FROM NOW OR FIVE YEARS FROM NOW IS OBSOLETE.

WE HAVE OUR GRANT PEOPLE ON THIS.

I DON'T MEAN THIS THE WAY IT'S GOING TO COME OUT, BUT WE'RE TAKING A CHANCE ON THAT WITH EVEN BUYING LAPTOP COMPUTERS.

SO YES, SIR.

MR. DAVID, I THINK NUMBER ONE, ANYTHING YOU BUY IS GOING TO BE OBSOLETE IN THREE TO FIVE YEARS.

AND IF IT'S TECHNOLOGY, IT MAY BE OBSOLETE IN A YEAR, BUT THE RADIOS THAT WE'RE USING NOW WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND SOME FIRE DEPARTMENTS ARE WHAT, 15 YEARS OLD WITH A FIVE-YEAR LIFESPAN.

SO I'M PRAISING HER GUYS TAKING CARE OF THEM.

THAT TECHNOLOGY, THE CHANGE HAS ACCELERATED SO MUCH THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, THAT WHAT YOU COULD USE IN 2005, YOU COULD STILL COMFORTABLY USE IN 2015, BUT NOW SINCE 2015, APPROXIMATELY IT SUDDENLY SHIFTED A GREAT DEAL.

AND THEY'LL, THE CHANGE IS MUCH QUICKER.

WHAT THIS IS DESIGNED TO DO IS I UNDERSTAND THAT CHIEF AND YOU CORRECT IT IS IF YOU GO BACK AND YOU LOOK AT YOUR MAP, YOU SEE THREE, FOUR STATIONS ON HERE THAT ARE LOCATED ADJACENT TO OTHER JURISDICTIONS.

AND THIS IS TO MAKE US INTEROPERABLE WITH THOSE JURISDICTIONS AS WELL AS OUR OWN SO THAT WE CAN TALK TO THE SAME AS THE QUESTION ABOUT CHESTER GAP, NOT BEING ABLE TO TALK TO US.

SO THEREFORE THEY RESPOND TO SOMETHING AND WE DON'T KNOW IT.

WE'RE LOOKING AT THAT TYPE OF THING WITH US OVER AND FALL KIER AS AN EXAMPLE.

AND THAT THIS MEANS WE ARE ALL, WE HAVE THEIR FREQUENCY SO THAT WE CAN RESPOND TO THEM.

AND IF WE HAVE TO ADJUST THESE RADIOS IN THE FUTURE, WE WILL.

SO ARE THESE RADIOS COMPATIBLE WITH THE CO BECAUSE THIS BOARD JUST RECENTLY APPROVED, UM, I GUESS A PATCH OR A TO THE ANTENNA SO THAT WE COULD REACH THE FAR REMOTE AREAS IN OUR COUNTY.

IT WILL THESE RADIOS BE COMPATIBLE WITH THAT TECHNOLOGY OR IS THIS A DIFFERENT, WELL, AS LONG AS THAT TECHNOLOGY ALLOWS US TO FILL IN FOR THESE VOIDS, THAT WILL, UM, AND THEN I HAD SOMEBODY ASKED ME THIS THE OTHER DAY, WELL, WHAT ARE YOU DOING? YOU AIN'T GOT ABOUT FIVE COMPANIES THAT HAVE RADIOS WE'LL KNOW, THESE RADIOS WERE ALSO COMPATIBLE WITH WHAT WE HAVE NOW.

SO THEY WILL STILL HAVE, UH, UH, COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE ENTIRE DEPARTMENT TOO.

IT'S JUST THAT YOU MAY HAVE TO GO FROM OUT ALL FREQUENCY.

ONE IS WARNED FREQUENCY TWO IS FREDERICK AND, AND WHAT HAVE YOU YOU'LL HAVE TO CHANGE FREQUENCIES AND SO FORTH, BUT THAT'S, AND AGAIN, I'LL EMPHASIZE THE FACT.

THAT'S WHY THEY'RE SO EXPENSIVE.

UM, ARE YOU DONE IT WITH ONE RADIO WHERE NOW YOU'VE GOT, YOU'VE GOT SOMEWHAT THE SAME.

IF YOU'VE GOT TWO OR THREE RADIOS IN YOUR VEHICLES, I HAVE THREE, THREE IN MINE COVERING FOUR JURISDICTIONS.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY POINT AND FARC HERE TOO.

WENT TO A NEW RADIO SYSTEM HERE NOT TOO LONG AGO.

SO I'VE LOST THAT FREQUENT THAT, THAT, UH, UH, INTEROPERABILITY WITH THE ONE I HAVE IN MY VIEW.

WELL, THIS SYSTEM BE ABLE TO TALK WITH STATE POLICE, UM, FOLK HERE, THE DIFFERENT COUNTIES, SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENTS.

IS IT THAT BROAD A COMMUNICATION OR IT IS IT'S IT'S THE RADIOS WOULD BE PROGRAMMED FOR THOSE JURISDICTIONS.

NOW STATE POLICE.

I DOUBT WE WILL BE TOO, CAUSE THEY'RE PRETTY STARS UNIT OR SOMETHING THAT STARS CAME OUT PROBABLY 10 YEARS AGO AND IT JUST HASN'T, IT HASN'T TAKEN OFF.

LIKE I THINK THEY, THEY THOUGHT, I DON'T KNOW OF ANY JURISDICTION AROUND US.

IT HAS STARTED.

THERE'S A SHERIFF BILL HERE.

DO Y'ALL HAVE IT.

YOU'RE GETTING READY TO RETIRE.

HUH? I THOUGHT FOR A MINUTE YOU JUST GOT ELECTED.

I CAN, I CAN SAY THAT.

THE STARS HAS NOT PANNED OUT THE WAY THE STATE PRETENDED IT.

AND THAT, AND THAT'S MY CONCERN.

I, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY, I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO COMMUNICATE.

MY CONCERN JUST IS GETTING A FEW HERE AND GET IN A FEW HERE AND THEN EVERYBODY THERE, THEY DON'T COMPAT WITH EACH OTHER.

CAUSE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES THAT FAST, WHERE I GUESS IF YOU GOT THEM ALL AT ONE TIME, THEY WOULD, I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU.

I, UH, I FELT IT WAS EASY FOR ME TO COME AND ASK FOR 105,000

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THAN A 10 MILLION.

WELL, WHEN YOU USE THE WORD BANDAID, I GET, YEAH, BECAUSE BANDAID MEANS THAT IT'S JUST, WE'RE JUST KICKING THE CAN DOWN THE ROAD.

WELL, IT'S BAND-AID UNTIL WE EXPECT IT MAY BE AN OPTION THAT YOU LOOK AT THAT EVERY, EVERY OTHER YEAR YOU, YOU BUY MORE RADIOS.

I MEAN, AT THE, AND THAT DOESN'T SOUND RIGHT EITHER.

I JUST, I HAVE FAITH IN, IN, UH, LIEUTENANT, UH, BROGAN THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME UP WITH.

THEY'RE WORKING WITH THE SAME VENDOR THAT WE'RE GOING TO GET THE RADIOS FROM SO THEY KNOW WHERE WE ARE.

UH, AND, AND, UH, IN WHAT WE WANT, HE EXPLAINED THE ANTENNA SITUATION, THE RADIOS TO US WHEN WE WERE IN THE MEETING WITH REGARDS TO, TO CHESTER GAP.

AND I THINK ALL IN THE W THAT DISCUSSION ENSUED THERE AS WELL.

SO, UM, MAYBE ONE OF US CAN ATTEND THAT, THAT COMMUNICATIONS OR RADIO COMMUNICATIONS MEETING ON FRIDAY.

JUST SO WE'RE BACK.

I CAN, I'LL SEND YOU A, I DON'T KNOW WHO WANTS TO GO, BUT I'LL, UH, I'LL SEND YOU A COPY OF THE EMAIL I GOT.

WHAT TIME ARE THAT MEETING IS VERSUS THE OTHER MAIN WEEKS, I GUESS I'M NOT REALLY HERE ASKING YOU FOR, WELL, I CERTAINLY AM ASKING FOR A FUNDING SOURCE.

OF COURSE.

LET ME SEE.

I DON'T HAVE A HUNDRED, 5,000, BUT, UH, IT'S UM, IT'S HOW DO I EXPLAIN IT? IT'S CARES MONEY.

THAT'S BEEN PUT INTO GENERAL FUND, UH, SO TO SPEAK OR COST RECOVERY.

I'D RATHER USE THE CARE'S MONEY.

IF IT'S A LITTLE PIECE RIGHT DOWN THERE IN THE CORNER, AND WHAT YOU'RE REALLY DOING IS THINK OF IT.

LIKE YOUR VEHICLES MISCELLANEOUS, YOU CANNOT REPLACE THE ENTIRE COUNTY FLEET IN ONE BIG SWOOP, RIGHT? YOU DON'T HAVE $5 MILLION TO GO BUY TRUCKS.

SO YOU BUY A COUPLE OF TRUCKS AND YOU MOVE ALONG AND YOU MAKE SURE THE NEXT ONES YOU BUY ARE COMPARABLE TO WHAT YOU HAVE, BUT THEY MAY BE LITTLE BIT BETTER BECAUSE THEY WERE IMPROVED EACH YEAR AND YOU NEED TO BUY SOME OF THESE RADIOS EVERY YEAR.

AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER EACH YEAR, BUT YOU DON'T HAVE $2 MILLION TO GO BY JUST RADIOS.

CAUSE SHERIFF HAS OTHER THINGS THAT HE NEEDS OUT THERE.

WE HAVE AN IT SYSTEM HERE.

SOMETIMES, SOMETIMES YES.

SO WE GOTTA BUY SOME OF THESE RADIOS, BUT WE CAN'T BUY THEM ALL AT ONCE.

WE GOT TO KEEP NICKING AWAY AT IT AND CHIPPING AWAY AND PUT A PLAN TOGETHER TO HOW WE'RE GOING TO GET SOME EVERY YEAR.

NO, AS LONG AS THEY WORK TOGETHER, THAT'S WHAT I'M EVERY YEAR.

THAT'S MY CONCERN.

BRAD SURVIVABLE.

IF WE CAN GET A GRANT FOR 10 MORE RADIOS, WE'LL TAKE IT.

ABSOLUTELY.

GET THE SHERIFF TO HELP US OVER THERE.

HE'S GOT A GOOD GRANT WRITER.

UM, IT CERTAINLY WE'VE, WE'VE PUT IT ON THE NEXT BOARD'S AGENDA, YOU KNOW, AND TAKE A LOOK AT, BUT, AND YOUR CONCERNS YOU'RE RIGHT.

IT'S NO WAY 15 YEARS AGO, YOU'D HAVE NEVER CONVINCED ME THAT WE STILL HAVE RADIOS THAT ARE WORKING, UH, 10 YEARS OUT OF THEIR, UH, LIFESPAN.

SO WE, IT'S NO WAY YOU CAN REALLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION BECAUSE YOU KNOW, YOU GO BUY A COMPUTER THIS MONTH AND IN THREE YEARS YOU GOT TO, OR TWO YEARS, OR NEXT YEAR YOU GOT TO RE EITHER UPGRADED OR WE'LL PUT THEM IN THERE.

THAT YOU'RE, YOU'RE EXACTLY RIGHT.

AND I THINK IT'S GOOD BUSINESS ASKING THAT QUESTION.

I JUST DON'T HAVE THAT ANSWER.

I THINK WE NEED TO MAKE A VISIT TO FALK HERE AND JUST TALK TO THEM ABOUT A COOPERATIVE AGREEMENT, YOU KNOW, GIVEN THAT WE ARE RUNNING, I JUST LIKE TO HAVE THE DATA IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF CALLS THAT WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF LINDEN AND WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF CHENAULT FARMS SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN ACCURATELY ASSESS HOW MUCH TIME WE'RE SPENDING, SUPPORTING THEM AND ASK FOR THEIR COOPERATION.

LIKE, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE WITH CHINA, WITH CHESTER GAP AND IN CLARK COUNTY.

UH, CAN I TAKE IT THAT MEANS TO TABLE THIS? UH, YEAH.

I'LL JUST PULL IT IF IT'S OKAY WITH YOU.

YOU DIDN'T SAY HE HAD IT.

WELL, THE GRANTS.

NO, NO.

WE JUST THOUGHT WE'D GO AND TALK TO WELL, BUT WE'D LIKE TO TOUCH THE PHONE.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

I MISUNDERSTOOD.

I THOUGHT YOU MEANT TABLE IT UNTIL YOU HAD A CHANCE TO TALK TO THEM.

MIGHT EVEN VOLUNTEER COMPANY FOR 40.

RADIOS OR SOMETHING YOU NEED ANYWAY.

ANY OTHER QUESTIONS THAT YOU CAN GENERATE BEFORE THEN? JUST LET ME KNOW.

I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE TO WARREN COUNTY FOR ALL THESE YEARS YOU'RE OUT OF HERE.

WE PROBABLY WON'T SEE YOU IN EIGHT.

WELL, WE MIGHT SEE YOU ONE MORE TIME BEFORE THE 18 DAYS, BUT I LIKE TO SEE BACK THEN.

HE'S ALREADY TOLD US HE'S COMING BACK.

NOW, I'M GOING TO SHOW YOU THIS.

YOU CAN CUT THE CAMERA.

THIS IS KILLING ME.

UM, IT'S THE ONLY THING I'VE EVER DONE IN MY LIFE AS FIRE DEPARTMENT, AND I'M NOT READY TO QUIT.

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[D. Discussion – Overview of the Warren County Sheriff’s Office – Sheriff Mark Butler]

NEXT ITEM, THE OVERVIEW OF WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE, UM, SHERIFF BUTLER.

FIRST OF ALL, I WOULD LIKE TO CONGRATULATE CHIEF MAVEN ON HIS 75 YEARS OF PUBLIC SERVICE.

I THINK THAT IS ANYBODY WHO GOES THAT MUCH TIME IN PUBLIC SERVICE NEEDS IS THAT I NEVER ALL SERIOUSNESS.

YOU KNOW, I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS THE DIRECTIONS TO MY OFFICE.

I ALWAYS HAVE TO GO TO HIS, BUT HE'S BEEN A, UM, HE'S BEEN A GOOD PERSON TO LEAN ON FOR QUESTIONS THAT ARE NEW TO ME.

UM, AND HE ALWAYS LED ME IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION OVER THE PAST 11 MONTHS.

SO I APPRECIATE IT.

WELL, I DO HAVE A WINDOW JOB FOR PART-TIME OR IF YOU WANT IT, THAT'S OUR FUSS NOW, BUT THANK YOU.

I THINK SERGEANT GOMEZ, I'M VERY FORTUNATE.

I'M ALREADY PAST IT.

WELL, THANK YOU ALL TONIGHT.

UM, I'M NOT GOING TO GIVE YOU 25 YEARS OF OUR AGENCY.

I'M ONLY GOING TO GIVE YOU 11 MONTHS.

UM, 25 YEARS WILL TAKE US ABOUT ANOTHER TWO HOURS, RIGHT? TO, UM, WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE IS VERY SIMPLE.

IT'S ENFORCED THE LAW, PROTECT AND SERVE THE COMMUNITY AND THE CONSTITUTION, HOW WE ACHIEVED THAT, UM, IS WHERE THE MAJOR AND I COME IN AND I'M VERY FORTUNATE, VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE A CAPTAIN AND A MAJOR LIKE I DO GUYS, WHO AND PATTY AND I CAN GO ON.

UM, WE'VE FACED PROBABLY MORE OBSTACLES IN THIS YEAR THAN I EVER IMAGINED, BUT I COULD NOT BE PROUDER THAN OF OUR AGENCY.

THE WORK THAT THEY'VE PUT IN, THEY CONTINUE TO PUT IN CONSTANTLY IT'S, UH, WE ARE SHORT.

WE WERE DEALING WITH A LOT OF THINGS, WHICH YOU ALL KNOW, BUT THEY STILL COME TO WORK AND STILL HAVE A SMILE ON THE FACE.

AND THEY'RE STILL WORKING THEIR BUTT OFF DOING NOT ONLY THE MAIN PRIORITY, BUT THE SECONDARY AND THIRD, UM, JOBS THAT THEY HAVE WITHIN OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO BUILD, WHICH YOU'LL SEE, LINDA SLIDES IS TRAIN THE NEXT MAN UP.

THAT'S OUR MOTTO IN OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE SUITE.

UM, OUR, OUR MOTTO IS TO TRAIN THE NEXT SHERIFF TRAIN THE NEXT MAJOR TRAIN THE NEXT CAPTAIN.

THAT WAY WE ARE ALWAYS PREPARED.

AND THE FIRST THING WE RE WHAT WE REALLY WANTED TO DO WAS TO TRIM THE FAT.

UH, AND THAT'S FROM THE TOP.

WE ARE GOING, WE ARE WORKING OFF A MODEL ONE AND FIVE.

SO EVERY LEADER BASICALLY LEADS SUPERVISORS.

FIVE INDIVIDUALS IS WORKED ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WORKS WELL.

AND ACTUALLY WE'RE RUNNING MORE EFFECTIVE SINCE WE'VE DONE THAT.

UM, COMMUNICATION LINES ARE NOT BREAKING DOWN, SO WE'RE MORE EFFICIENT AND WE'RE ABLE TO ALLOCATE THOSE IN OTHER AREAS, UM, TO YOU'VE HEARD OUR ACO HAS COME UP EARLIER.

UM, OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFICERS, UH, WE TAKE A LOT OF ABUNDANCE OF CALLS AND, UM, CONTROL 2019, OVER 4,000 CALLS FOR ANIMAL CONTROL.

4,000.

THE, UH, ANIMAL CONTROL IS BASICALLY A DUTY OF THE, AT DAILY.

AND BY THE WAY, HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO BOTH OF YOU, THAT'S OFF TO YOU.

UM, IT'S ACTUALLY THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE COUNTY, NOT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, BUT I'M GOING TO TELL YOU, IT MAKES NO SENSE THAT IT'S NOT PART OF THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE BECAUSE THE EFFORTS THAT SERGEANT GOMEZ AND OUR TWO OTHER ACS ARE DOING RIGHT NOW, AND WE HAVE AN OPEN SPOT, UH, THE PERSON BE GOING TO THE ACADEMY IN JANUARY.

UM, THE WORK THAT THEY DO IS JUST, I CAN'T EXPRESS YOU HOW MUCH WORK THEY ACTUALLY WORK AT 4,000 CALLS, THREE INDIVIDUALS, FOUR INDIVIDUALS ARE GOING ON AND WORKING IN THEIR LONG INVESTIGATIONS, UM, CHASING, FINDING SOMEONE'S DOG OR THEIR PET, THEIR COW, THEIR SHEEP.

UM, IT'S JUST THAT WHAT THEY DO IS IT'S, THEY'RE HITTING FROM ALL DIFFERENT ANGLES AND IT'S, IT'S VERY TOUGH DEMANDING JOB.

UM, SO WE'LL BE MOVING FORWARD WITH THAT.

AND

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WE ARE VERY FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE COUNTY TO HAVE A SERGEANT GOMEZ WHO IS SO DEDICATED.

AND I THINK KATELYN CAN ATTEST TO THIS.

SHE IS REALLY SHARP AND SHE IS DEDICATED TO HER JOB.

SHE IS A TRUE PROFESSIONAL.

UM, SO I'M VERY, I'M VERY HUMBLED TO HAVE SOME OF THE INDIVIDUALS WE HAVE.

UM, WE'RE GOING TO GO OVER REAL QUICK, ORGANIZED ORGANIZATIONAL STRUCTURE, DIVISION, UM, PRIORITIES, CURRENT ACTIVITIES, FUTURE PROJECTS, FUTURE NEEDS, BUDGETS AND QUESTIONS.

AT THE END, IF YOU LOOK AT THE WAY WE'VE BROKEN IT DOWN.

UM, SHERIFF MAJOR ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICE MANAGER PATROL CAPTAIN BEFORE AT ONE TIME, THIS WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE HAD THREE CAPTAINS, EXTREMELY TOP HEAVY.

THE COMMUNITY RESOURCE LIEUTENANT WAS AN SRO LIEUTENANT, WHICH WE HAVE ACTUALLY MINIMIZED.

AND YEAH, HAS THIS PERSON IS ROBBIE SEAL.

SO WE GET AS A PART-TIME EMPLOYEE.

UH, THE WORK THAT ROBBIE SEAL DOES IS ASTRONOMICAL.

IT'S JUST AMAZING WORK THAT HE DOES DOING COMMUNITY EVENTS, YOUTH CAMP, SALT TRIAD, NEIGHBORHOOD WATCH PUBLIC OUTREACH.

AND IT'S NEVER ENDING THE WASTE STATIONS WITH THE LOOSE TRASH AND SO FORTH.

LIEUTENANT SEALS THERE WITH CABIN, HOLES, BAUER AND EVERYBODY.

AND THEY'RE WORKING HAND IN HAND MOVING FORWARD ON THE SPECIAL ISSUES IN OUR HOA WAYS.

UM, LIEUTENANT SEWELL ACTUALLY STARTED A PROGRAM CALLED NEXT DOOR, AND HE'S BEEN ABLE TO REACH OUT TO A LOT OF DIFFERENT HOS, KEEP IN CONTACT.

WE'RE GETTING LEADS, WE'RE GETTING TIPS AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

MOVING FORWARD.

UM, OUR SHERIFF'S OFFICE AVERAGES ABOUT 20,000 CALLS A YEAR, 20,000 CALLS A YEAR.

AND WE'LL GET TO MORE BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK DOWN HERE AND YOU SEE PATROL DIVISION, YOU HAVE ONE LIEUTENANT WE, WHICH WE MINIMIZE.

WE'VE NOT MINIMIZED, BUT WE'VE ACTUALLY MOVED THE OTHER LIEUTENANT.

IT USED TO BE A LIEUTENANT IN CHARGE OF BOTH SHIFTS.

NOW WE HAVE ONE LIEUTENANT WHO'S A DIVISION COMMANDER IN CHARGE OF TWO SHIFTS, UM, B SHIFT AND A SHIFT WITH THE DEPUTIES ANIMAL CONTROL AND CANINE PROGRAM.

NOW OUR CANINE PROGRAM SINCE JANUARY HAS INCREASED FROM ONE RETIRING DOG TO NOW SIX DOGS, WE WERE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THIS WITH LESS THAN $30,000.

WHERE DOES THAT HELP US? WELL, WE KNOW WE'RE FIGHTING AN EPIDEMIC ON DRUGS.

ANYONE WHO'S SAY SAYS WE WERE NOT HAVING THAT ISSUE.

AND THAT THIS ISSUE IS JUST BEEN, THE LAST DECADE IS WRONG.

THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES IN THIS AREA.

IT'S AFFECTED EVERY PERSON I KNOW IN WARREN COUNTY, IT IS MY JOB AND I WILL DO EVERYTHING IN MY POWER TO PROTECT THE PEOPLE OF WARREN COUNTY.

WHAT WE DID WAS REACH OUT TO MANY DIFFERENT PEOPLE, MANY DIFFERENT AGENCIES.

WE WROTE GRANTS.

ACTUALLY I WROTE MY FIRST GRANT EVER FOR OUR TWO BLOODHOUNDS.

I WAS SITTING THERE ON THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL, TWO O'CLOCK AT NIGHT, AND I WAS RUNNING IN THE COMMAND CENTER BECAUSE WE HAD A LOST HIKER, INJURED HIKER ON THE APPALACHIAN TRAIL.

SO THE LIEUTENANT MUMO AND THE CAPTAIN WERE, HAD BEEN PREVIOUSLY WORKED.

SO I WENT OUT AT TWO O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING AND I SAT THERE AND I ASKED BABA, SO HOW CAN WE FIX THIS? AND HE SAID, WE NEED, BECAUSE IT NORMALLY TAKE YOU ALMOST TWO HOURS TO GET A BLOODHOUND.

WELL, THAT BY THAT TIME THAT PERSON COULD HAVE HYPOTHERMIA OR SOMETHING ELSE, WE NEED TO DO THIS FASTER.

SO I WROTE A GRANT, WE DIDN'T GET ONE.

WE GOT TWO.

UM, NORMALLY FOR ONE DOG ITSELF, YOU'RE TALKING ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 15 TO $20,000 FOR ONE DOG, WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO BUILD THIS CANINE PROGRAM THAT IS NOT ONLY AHEAD OF THE COMMONWEALTH, BUT FROM WHAT I'M UNDERSTANDING, I'VE BEEN TO THEIR TRAINING.

THEY'RE AMAZING DOGS, AMAZING ANIMALS.

AND OUR CANINE OFFICERS ARE AMAZING.

UM, WE FOUND TRACKS ALREADY, AND THEY'RE LESS THAN A YEAR OLD WITH OUR BLOOD HOUSE.

WE HAVE A BOMB DOG THAT'S RANKED ONE OF THE BEST IN THE COUNTRY.

IT WORKS.

IT WAS A STATE DEPARTMENT, DOG.

WE WERE VERY FORTUNATE TO GET THAT.

AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS THIS DOLL OR HAS A DOG, IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS DEDICATED TO WARREN COUNTY AND, UM, UH, VERY PROUD OF THE WORK THAT THEY'VE DONE WITH THEM.

AND HOPEFULLY YOU'LL SEE A DEMONSTRATION SOON WITH THEM.

AND IT'S REALLY AMAZING WHAT THEY'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THOSE DOGS.

THIS ISN'T WORKING FOR ME.

LIKE IT WORKS FOR YOU, JERRY, AS YOU SEE, WE HAVE OUR ANIMAL CONTROL OFFS.

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GOTCHA.

UM, WE HAVE OUR SPECIAL OPERATIONS, SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM.

OUR SWAT TEAM IS A VOLUNTEER BASE.

THEY GET CALLED OUT THREE TO FOUR TIMES A MONTH.

WE ASSIST OTHER COUNTIES AND THEY ASSIST US.

WE WORK WITH THE TOWN TOWN, WORKS WITH US.

THEY TRAINED TOGETHER VERY WELL.

CAPTAIN RYMAN AND HIS TEAM AND OUR TEAM.

THEY DO A LOT OF GREAT THINGS.

AND WE'VE SEEN THAT WITH THE OPERATIONS, WORKING WITH RICK FERAL AND THE FIRE AND RESCUE.

WE'VE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT CHALLENGING EVENTS THIS YEAR.

AND THEY'VE REALLY WORKED WELL TOGETHER.

CRISIS NEGOTIATIONS UNITS LED BY LIEUTENANT BROGAN.

THAT'S A SECONDARY ASSIGNMENT FORM AS WELL.

AND THE TRACKING UNIT WE'RE WORKING ON RE UM, BUILDING UP THE TRACKING UNIT A LITTLE BETTER NOW THAT WE HAVE A BLOODHOUNDS AND SO FORTH.

AND WE LOOKED TO SEE IT INCREASE WITH, AS JERRY SAID, WE HAVE 217 ACRES OR MILES SQUARE MILES THAT WE COVER.

BUT IF YOU LOOK AT IT GEOGRAPHICALLY, IT'S PROBABLY ABOUT 420 AND IT DOES TAKE, YOU GOT TO MOVE MOUNTAINS TO GET TO CERTAIN PLACES.

ADMINISTRATION HAS SUPPORT.

YOU HAVE THE SHERIFF'S MAJOR SO FORTH OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU HAVE INVESTIGATIONS PATROL, CAPTAIN INVESTIGATIONS, LIEUTENANT NOW FOYAS AND SO FORTH ARE IN TODAY'S SOCIETY.

THEY ARE A LONG TERM EVENT.

THEY TAKE A LOT OF HOURS, A LOT OF TIME, A LOT OF ENERGY AND A LOT OF LEGAL ASPECTS THAT YOU HAVE TO GET IN THERE.

UM, EO AND SO FORTH, CONCEALED MA UH, CASE MANAGEMENT, CONCEALED CARRY ATF, SEARCH GRANTS, AND SO FORTH.

THIS ALL FALLS UNDER THE ONE LIEUTENANT CORE SERVICES.

LIEUTENANT JEREMIAH LANG.

WE NEVER REALLY HAD ONE BECAUSE THE CAPTAINS OVERSAW IT.

SO WE KNOW THAT OUR COURTHOUSE IS ONE OF OUR MAIN INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE COUNTY, AND PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT INFRASTRUCTURES IN THE COUNTY.

THEREFORE WE WANTED A LIEUTENANT THAT COULD ACTUALLY BE OVER THERE AND LEAD.

UH, WE HAVE THREE GREAT SERGEANTS THAT WORK OVER THERE AS WELL.

ONE RUNS TRANSPORTATION, ONE RUNS, CO CORE SECURITY, AND THE OTHER WORKS, CIVIL PROCESS, SERGEANT RUBY, UM, ALL THREE ARE AMAZING AND THEY'RE RUNNING A GREAT SECTION OVER IN THE COURTS.

WE'RE DEALING WITH SOME SHORTAGES, BUT WE'LL DEAL WITH IT AS TIME COMES.

THAT'S WHERE WE'RE LOOKING AT WITH ED AND HE CAME UP.

WE HAVE, I AGREE WITH ED PART-TIME EMPLOYMENT OR EMPLOYEES ARE GREAT.

AND I'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE EARLY, A LITTLE LATER AT HOME WHEN WE GET INTO THIS MAJOR CRIMES DIVISION.

WELL, WE KNEW WE HAD AN ISSUE WITH OVERDOSES.

SO WE HAVE AN INVESTIGATIONS TEAM THAT ACTUALLY RUNS OUR OVERSEAS SRS AND OUR CRIMINAL EVERY DAY CASES.

THEN WE HAVE A LIEUTENANT SPADE LIEUTENANT.

THIS INDIVIDUAL'S JOB IS TO RUN THE DRUG TASK FORCE GUYS FROM OUR SIDE, BUT ALSO TAKE THE CRIME ANALYSTS INFORMATION AND PUT IT BACK INTO OUR COMMUNITY, GO OUT AFTER THE SPECIAL PROBLEMS WITH DRUGS ENFORCEMENT AND THAT WHEN WE GET OUR CRIME ANALYSTS COMING SOON, THAT'LL BE A GREAT WAY TO BE EFFICIENT AND TAKE WHAT IS SHORTAGE.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE OPERATING MORE EFFECTIVE.

UM, THAT UNIT ALSO DEALS WITH SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS.

UM, WE KNOW OVER THE PAST, UM, THERE'S BEEN SPECIAL INVESTIGATIONS IN WARREN COUNTY EMERGENCY COMMUNICATION CENTER.

THE MAJOR OVERSEES THAT ALONG WITH LIEUTENANT BROGAN, UM, THAT SHOULD SAY ENOUGH RIGHT THERE, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE DONE OUTSTANDING AND REBUILDING OUR ENTIRE COMMUNICATION CENTER, TALKING WITH THE, THE FIRE AND RESCUE WORKING HAND IN HAND GRANTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

IT REALLY DONE AN AMAZING JOB.

UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT NOW IS WE HAVE THREE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS ON AT ALL TIMES, THE COMMUNICATIONS OFFICERS WORK HAND IN HAND ON THE SAME SHIFTS WITH PATROL.

SO THERE'S NO, THEY THEY'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO HEAR A CRACK IN THE VOICE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

THAT MAY BECOME FROM AN OFFICER THAT CAN SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S GET ANOTHER UNIT THERE WITHOUT EVEN ASKING, HEARING IT FROM THE OFFICER.

SO WE'RE, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK ON THAT ASPECT OF IT.

WE ARE LOOKING AT ACCREDITATION AND SO FORTH, AND I'LL GET TO THAT A LITTLE BIT FURTHER AS WELL.

ACCESS CONTROL, KEY CONTROL RADIO PROGRAM.

THIS ALL FALLS UNDER LIEUTENANT BROGAN.

THAT IS A FULL-TIME JOB IN ITSELF.

JUST KEEP CONTROL AND MOST OF THEM, RIGHT? UM, THE LEGACY ACCREDITATION,

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WE ALL KNOW OUR COUNTY LOSS.

SHERIFF'S OFFICES LOST ACCREDITATION IN JULY OF LAST YEAR.

UH, IT'S HURT US IN SOME GRANTS.

IT'S HURT US IN BEING REPUTABLE THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.

WE ARE ALREADY, THE MAJOR HAS ALREADY HELPED US.

WE'RE ALREADY PROBABLY 40 50 ON OUR WAY.

THERE, WE WILL BE AHEAD OF SCHEDULE IT'S TIME FOR US TO BE ACCREDITED AND WE WILL BE ACCREDITED.

I'M VERY PROUD OF THAT BECAUSE WE'VE WORKED REALLY, REALLY HARD TO GET THERE.

OUR COURT SERVICES, SHERIFF, CAPTAIN, LIEUTENANT, THEY'RE PRETTY MUCH THE LIEUTENANT LANG RUNS THINGS PRETTY WELL.

UM, WE DEPEND MOSTLY OF OUR COURTHOUSE SECURITY ON PART-TIMERS, UM, NOT BAD, NOT BAD, BUT THE PROBLEM IS I'LL GET TO, WHEN I GET TO THIS ONE SLIDE AT ALL, ALL COME TOGETHER, FUTURE PROJECTS, EQUIPMENT THERE'S THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT.

UH, WE ALREADY DID THE BODY CAMERAS.

WE FOUND GRANT PAID FOR BODY CAMERAS.

WELL, THEN WE REALIZED OUR SERVER DOESN'T FIT.

AND WE HAD TO GO AFTER THAT.

UM, IN-CAR CAMERAS ARE ABOUT $5,500 A PIECE.

WE KNOW WE CAN'T ORDER THAT MANY.

SO WE'RE TAKING SMALL BITES OF THE APPLE.

AND AS WE GET NEW VEHICLES, WE'RE, WE'RE PUTTING IT IN THE BUDGET TO PUT THOSE CAMERAS IN WITH THEM AND WE'LL BUILD IT AS WE GO, UM, VEHICLES THAT ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE A WILDCARD IN ANY BUDGET FOR ANY LAW ENFORCEMENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'VE DONE IN THE PAST, UM, JUST RECENTLY IS INSTEAD OF BUYING THREE NEW VEHICLES, BECAUSE WE HAD SEVERAL WRECK BLOWN, MOTOR, SOMETHING BAD, SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM.

WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO, INSTEAD OF SELLING THEM PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR AT THE AUCTION, TRADE THEM IN.

AND WE FOUND VEHICLES THAT ARE CERTIFIED USED, THAT WE WERE ABLE TO PURCHASE THREE VEHICLES WITH ROUGHLY 25,000 MILES ON THEM.

AND BY TRADING AN ALL IN, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THREE VEHICLES FOR THE PRICE OF TWO THIRDS OF THE NEW VEHICLE.

SO WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO THAT IN OUR BUDGET AS WE MOVE FORWARD, ESPECIALLY FOR OUR INVESTIGATION, CARS, ADMINISTRATIVE CARS, AND SO ON AND SO FORTH.

IT'S A WAY WE CAN SAVE MONEY.

WE DON'T NEED THE PURSUIT PACKAGES NECESSARILY FOR ADMINISTRATION.

THERE ARE NO SENSE FOR US TO BE DRIVING AROUND IN A VEHICLE THAT IS PURSUIT RATED TO DO 160 MILES AN HOUR ON THE HIGHWAY.

WHEN WE'RE RUNNING FROM THE GOVERNMENT CENTER TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE, IT MAKES NO SENSE.

SO WE'RE NOT GOING TO DO THAT.

RAINING, UH, WELL EQUIPMENT, THE DRONE PROGRAM.

AND I HAVE TO BRING THIS UP.

WE COULD HAVE USED IT IN SEVERAL, SEVERAL THINGS WE NOTICED WE COULD HAVE USED IT WHEN WE DID OUR ACTIVE SHOOTER EMERGENCY RESPONSE, I DRUM WOULD BE AN OUTSTANDING TOOL FOR NOT ONLY JUST THE FIRE DEPARTMENT, BUT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

IT CAN HELP US OUT IN A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS AND CAN ALSO LOCATE INDIVIDUALS.

THEY MAY BE HURT IN THE WOODS, MOUNTAINS OR SO FORTH.

AND AS JERRY SAID, WE HAVE A VERY, UH, OBSTACLE RIDDEN COUNTY.

SO IT CAN HELP US IN MANY DIFFERENT WAYS, NOT ONLY PROTECT OUR FIRST RESPONDERS LIVES, BUT ALSO SAVE THE LIVES OF THE COMMUNITY MEMBERS, UM, TRAINING WE'RE WE'RE DOING A LOT OF SELF INITIATED TRAINING.

WE HAVE A GREAT TRAINING FACILITY UPFRONT.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GREAT INSTRUCTORS.

WE ARE LOOKING TO ENHANCE OUR TRAINING THROUGH INTERNALLY, UM, TRAINING GROUNDS.

WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT THAT THAT'S VERY MUCH NEEDED, BUT WE, WE WANT TO DO THAT ON A MONETARY, UH, BUDGET, A GOOD BUDGET.

SO IT'S NOT, WE'RE NOT COMING, ASKING FOR MONEY FOR THAT.

AND WE'RE FINDING WAYS TO DO THAT.

I TALKED ABOUT THE K9 EMERGENCY RESPONSE TEAM, THE RANGE, THAT'LL ALL BE IN THAT TRUCK BUDGET, AND IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN OVERNIGHT.

WE KNOW THAT, UM, BUT WE WILL SLOWLY WORK TOWARDS GETTING WHERE WE WANT TO BE A FUNCTIONING OFFICE THAT WE CAN ACTUALLY TRAIN THE TRAINER.

THIS IS WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO DO.

HIGHWAY SAFETY, AGGRESSIVE DRIVING IMPAIRED DRIVING LAWS ARE CHANGING.

SENATE BILL IS REALLY PUTTING US BEHIND THE CURVE BALL, BUT WE WILL OVERCOME AND ADAPT.

WE WILL STILL MOVE FORWARD IN DOING OUR JOB INFRASTRUCTURE, SECURITY, COURTHOUSE, SCHOOLS, GOVERNMENT BUILDINGS, AND SO FORTH.

WE ATTEND, UH, ACTIVE SHOOTER DRILLS, FIRE DRILLS.

OUR SRS ARE WORKING HAND IN HAND.

WE'RE TRYING TO DEVELOP SRS TO BE TRUE S AROS AND NOT GUIDANCE COUNSELORS.

SO WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING, MOVING FORWARD, PUTTING THE RIGHT SRO IN THE RIGHT SCHOOL.

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WE'VE DONE THAT WITH OUR DIVERSIFIED MINDS AND WE'VE GOTTEN GREAT RESPONSES ALREADY FROM IT.

UM, UH, AXLE AND THAT SERGEANT WILLIAMS AND ALL OF THEM HAVE REALLY WORKED HARD.

THE MAJORS WORKED VERY DILIGENTLY WITH THE SCHOOLS, SCHOOL BOARD AND THE NEW SCHOOL BOARD AT SUPERINTENDENT AND MELODY SHEPHERD.

THEY'VE BEEN A PLEASURE TO WORK WITH IN THIS VERY UNUSUAL TIME, PROACTIVE CRIMINAL ENFORCEMENT JANUARY, WE WILL COME FORWARD AND NO ONE WILL BE GIVEN A WARNING.

IF THEY ARE IN POSSESSION OF AN ILLEGAL DRUG, WE'RE ALREADY DOING THAT.

NOW WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE I, IF I COULD DO IT, I'D PUT A BILLBOARD AT EXIT SIX AND THAT'S EXIT 13 IS A DRUG-FREE ZONE.

YOU WILL GO TO JAIL.

IF YOU HAVE IT, WE'RE GOING TO GO AFTER THE DRUGS.

100%.

IT'S TIME WE SAVE OUR COMMUNITY.

THEY'RE DYING STAT SHOW IT.

THAT'S MY JOB AFTERWARDS.

AS OTHER PEOPLE'S JOB, I'M JUST A SMALL PORTION OF IT, BUT NO ONE'S EVER GOING TO LOOK AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND SAY, THEY'RE NOT DOING THEIR JOB RESERVE DEPUTY PROGRAM.

THIS IS SOMETHING WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.

I RAN ON THIS.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED.

WE'RE HOPING WE CAN KICK IT OFF IN JANUARY, FEBRUARY.

WE'RE WORKING TO GET IT APPROVED THROUGH DCGS.

THIS IS TO REACH INTO OUR COMMUNITY.

FIND THE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY HAVE EITHER TRAINING EXPERIENCE AND WANT TO VOLUNTEER.

BECAUSE I BELIEVE LIKE IN FIRE, VOLUNTEERS ARE A PART OF OUR COMMUNITY AND THEY HAVE SOME, THEY HAVE SKIN IN THE GAME.

THEY WANT TO HELP US YOUTH ACADEMY PROGRAM.

WE ALREADY HAVE SOME DEPUTIES THAT HAVE ALREADY SIGNED UP WITH SOME OF THE HIGH SCHOOLS, MIDDLE SCHOOLS, AND SO FORTH TO HELP COACH AND SO ON AND SO FORTH TO BE MENTORS AND BIG BROTHERS.

WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS ACTUALLY DEVELOP IT A LITTLE FURTHER, THE MAJOR.

AND I, WE, WE TALKED ABOUT IT AND WE'RE LOOKING AT POSSIBLY EVEN TALKING TO SCHOOL BOARD AND THEY'VE APPROACHED US AS WELL TO SPARK, TO START A, UM, CRIMINAL JUSTICE PROGRAM WITHIN THE SCHOOLS.

UH, I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA.

ONE COUNTY AWAY, 15 MILES, FIVE MILES.

WE STARTED THE CITIZENS ADVISORY COUNCIL.

THIS IS TO ACTUALLY HAVE THE COUNTY OR HAVE THE CITY OF THE COUNTY, HAVE THE OPEN DOOR POLICY WHERE THEY CAN COME AND LOOK AT OUR POLICY, SELLS WHAT THEY LIKE.

AND DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT NOW.

IT DOESN'T MEAN WE'RE ALWAYS GOING TO CHANGE IT, BUT WE'RE GOING TO HEAR, AND WE'RE GOING TO LISTEN TO THE COUNTY, TO THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.

AND SO FAR IT'S BEEN AS THE TURNOUT.

THAT'S BEEN REALLY GOOD WHEN YOU SAY, UM, I'M VERY HAPPY FOR IT.

IT'S SOMETHING WE RAN ON AND WE'VE BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH ALL THIS IN SPITE OF THE OBSTACLES WE'VE BEEN HIT WITH THIS YEAR, FUTURE NEEDS AND BUDGET, UM, STAFFING INCREASE.

YOU KNEW I WAS GOING TO COME.

YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY, I SAID, IF YOU WANT SIX ASKED FOR 12, I DON'T KNOW WHO SAID THAT.

I REALLY DON'T BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE IN THAT.

I BELIEVE GOING TO COME TO YOU WITH WHAT I TRULY THINK I NEED.

I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP IN FRONT OF WASTE YOUR TIME OR MY TIME, BECAUSE BELIEVE ME, I WORKED 15 HOURS A DAY AND I'M NOT GOING TO STAND UP HERE AND DO THAT.

UM, WE DEL WE NEED PERSONNEL.

WE KNOW OUR PERSONNEL HAS NOT CHANGED IN 16 YEARS OTHER THAN SRS.

SO IF YOU DO THE MATH, SAM PORTER WAS 100% CORRECT.

I WAS WRONG.

IT'S NOT TWENTY-FIVE PERCENT.

IT'S ABOUT 33% POPULATION HAS INCREASED.

OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE GONE UP.

WE HANDLE A HUNDRED PERCENT OF ALL CIVIL CALLS IN THE COUNTY.

WE HUNTER DO ALL DISPATCH, ALL ANIMAL CONTROL.

AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING THINGS THAT YOU JUST WOULD NEVER IMAGINE IN WARREN COUNTY.

SOME OF THE CALLS WE GET.

SO THE PROBLEM WE HAVE IS WE HAVE AN AVERAGE SQUAD OF FOUR INDIVIDUALS OR THREE INDIVIDUALS IN A SERGEANT.

SO I HAVE THIS INDIVIDUAL GOING TO APPLE MOUNTAIN TO HANDLE A NOISE COMPLAINT OR SHOTS FIRED, WHICH IS A COMMON OCCURRENCE IN WARREN COUNTY.

AND I HAVE A DOMESTIC GOING ON OVER HERE IN BROWNTOWN.

WELL, IF ONE GUY IS IN TRAINING, WHICH ONE OF THOSE GUYS IS GETTING BACK UP, WHICH ONE DO WE WANT TO HAVE BACK UP? I CAN'T SEND SOMEONE TO TRAINING AND COVID IS BASICALLY JUST PUNCHED ME RIGHT IN THE MOUTH BECAUSE YOU CAN'T HIDE IT WITH COVID.

IF ONE PERSON RUNS INTO CONTACT WITH AN INDIVIDUAL AS POSITIVE AS 14 DAYS, THEY'RE NOT GOING, THEY'RE NOT WORKING.

SO IT'S A SCHOOL HE'S NOT WORKING.

HE'S NOT GOING TO BE AT, OR SHE'S NOT GOING TO BE AT.

SO I HAVE TO REPLACE THEM OVER TIMES OUT OF THE ROOF.

WELL, I'VE LOOKED AT THE BUDGET SINCE 2013,

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2013.

MY BUDGET FOR THE WARREN COUNTY SHERIFF'S OFFICE WAS 82,000, 2020.

MY BUDGET WAS 77,000.

I DON'T KNOW HOW IT'S, HOW IT'S GONE DOWN.

BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT THE AVERAGE, WE'VE BEEN SHORT THREE OR FOUR PEOPLE IN THE ACADEMY EVERY YEAR, SINCE 2013.

WELL, EACH INDIVIDUAL, IF THEY'RE 40 OR 40,000 A YEAR, IT TAKES ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF FOR A DEPUTY TO ECHO THROUGH THE ACADEMY, GET ON THE STREET AND BE SOMEWHAT FUNCTIONAL.

ANYONE WHO'S DONE ANY TIME IN LAW ENFORCEMENT WILL TELL YOU THE AVERAGE DEPUTY ISN'T WORTH.

HE'S NOT A HUNDRED PERCENT UNTIL THEY'VE BEEN ABOUT THREE TO FIVE YEARS ON.

THEY JUST DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE, THE CALLS AREN'T ALWAYS THERE.

SO WHAT WE'D LOVE TO GET EXPERIENCED.

YES, THAT'S WHAT WE WANT.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO DO A HAPPY MEDIUM PROBLEM IS OUR DEPUTY STARTED OUT A $41,000 A YEAR TO GO THROUGH A SIX MONTH ACADEMY.

THE JAIL STARTS YOU OUT AT $41,000 A YEAR, AND YOU ONLY HAVE TO GO THROUGH A TWO MONTH ACADEMY WITH ENDLESS OF OVERTIME.

I'M NOT A BRIGHT MAN, BUT IF I CAN MAKE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY WITH LESS INVESTMENT, WHY WOULDN'T YOU DO IT? SO THEN WE LOOK AT THE STAFFING OF THE COURTHOUSE WITH PAYSCALE NINE, WHICH WE ARE TRYING TO ELIMINATE.

WE'VE OFFERED ALL OUR, UH, JAIL CERTIFIED DEPUTIES WHO ARE ON PAYSCALE NINE, THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO TO THE ACADEMY TO BE LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFIED, BECAUSE I WANT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THAT SHERIFF'S OFFICE, WHO'S WEARING A BADGE AND SWORN IN TO BE ABLE TO WORK ANY JOB IN THAT DEPARTMENT.

THAT IS OUR GOAL.

OUR GOAL IS TO TRAIN THE NEXT MAN UP.

SO IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE HAVE TO START OUT AN EVEN FOUNDATION.

WELL, THEY'RE MAKING SAME PERSON.

PAYSCALE NINE STARTS OUT ABOUT $36,000.

THAT'S THE SAME CERTIFICATION THAT RSW HAS.

WHY WOULD YOU COME WORK? MY COURTHOUSE WHEN YOU MAKE $7,000 MORE A YEAR FOR THE SAME CERTIFICATIONS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

SO ALL OUR DEPUTIES WILL BE PAYSCALE 11.

THEY WILL BE SWORN.

THEY WILL BE LAW ENFORCEMENT CERTIFIED, AND THEY WILL BE COURTHOUSE CERTIFIED BECAUSE WE WILL TRAIN THE NEXT MAN UP.

NOW LOOKING FOR PART-TIMERS AND OUR COURTS PART-TIME OR TYPICALLY WORKS 29 HOURS A WEEK, 29 HOURS A WEEK WITH NOTHING TO GUARANTEE THAT THEY'RE GOING TO COME TO WORK.

THERE'S NO SKIN IN THE GAME.

IF I BUMP IT TO 32 HOURS A WEEK AND OFFER THEM MEDICAL BENEFITS, I WAS TOLD WE CAN'T AFFORD IT.

WELL, WE CAN'T AFFORD NOT TO DO IT BECAUSE NOW I'M GETTING EXPERIENCED DEPUTIES.

AND I DID THE MATH TODAY AND I CHECKED IT TWICE.

WE WILL SAVE $80,000 A YEAR, FIVE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WITH MEDICAL BENEFITS AND A SPOUSE, WHICH TYPICALLY IF WE'RE LOOKING AT A RETIREE, THEY'RE NOT PAYING FOR KIDS, RIGHT? I HOPE NOT.

I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM THAT THEY ARE, BUT IT WE'LL CALL IT A LOSS.

WE WILL SAY $80,000 A YEAR BY HIRING FIVE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES AND OFFER THEM MEDICAL BENEFITS.

IT'S $277,000 FOR FIVE DEPUTIES STARTING WAGES.

IT'S 197,480 FOR FIVE PART-TIME DEPUTIES WITH MEDICAL BENEFITS.

SO YOU'RE A HUNDRED PERCENT, RIGHT? THE MATH IS THERE.

ALL WE HAVE TO DO IS GIVE THESE INDIVIDUALS AN INCENTIVE.

SO IF WE LOOK AT THE SURROUNDING AGENCIES, ONE OF OUR OTHER THINGS THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT MAYBE IS THE PAY PARODY.

WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT RETENTION? I ALREADY TOLD YOU, IT TAKES ABOUT TWO YEARS, THREE YEARS TO GET THEM ON THE STREET AND GET THEM ACTUALLY WORKING ON THEIR OWN.

WELL, THE AVERAGE DEPUTY WORKING THREE YEARS IN WARREN COUNTY MAKES ABOUT $7,000 LESS THAN THE AVERAGE FRONT ROW POLICE OFFICER MAKES ABOUT 10,000 LESS THAN FAUQUIER CARE COUNTY.

WHAT GUY IN THE RIGHT MIND, WHAT FEMALE, WHOEVER WOULD STAY ONCE THEY'VE BEEN TRAINED TO GO MAKE $10,000 A YEAR MORE DOING THE SAME EXACT JOB.

ONE,

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SO EVEN SO, EVEN MORE SO THEY CAN GO TO HAYMARKET PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, THE AVERAGE RETIREE IN PRINCE WILLIAM COUNTY, WORKING IN THE COURTS MAKES 80 TO $90,000 A YEAR.

I KNOW WE CAN'T COMPETE WITH THAT.

HECK THEY MAKE MORE THAN MY MAJOR, WHO HAS BEEN AMAZING AND HE'S A CERTIFIED EMERGENCY MANAGER.

SO THESE ARE THE THINGS WE'RE LOOKING AT.

WHAT I'VE DONE IS I'VE ACTUALLY CREATED TWO PAY SCALES WITH TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS.

AND I WILL HAND THAT OUT AT A LATER TIME WHERE WE'RE ACTUALLY PUTTING IN THE BUDGET, I'M PUTTING IN THE BUDGET FOR TWO FULL-TIME EMPLOYEES AND ONE FULL-TIME ACO.

THAT'S WHAT I NEED.

THAT'S WHAT I HAVE TO HAVE.

I HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO FUNCTION.

I HAVE TO HAVE THAT TO KEEP MY DEPUTY SAFE.

IF I CAN REPLENISH OTHER SHORTAGES WITH PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, IF WE CAN DO SOMETHING LIKE THE, THE HEALTHCARE, WHICH I DON'T SEE ANY FACTS THAT WE CAN'T, UM, WE CAN ACTUALLY REDUCE THE COSTS, INCREASE THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF OUR COMMUNITY.

UM, ANY QUESTIONS I TOLD YOU, I'D MAKE IT QUICK.

TWO HOURS, 12 MINUTES.

OH, SEE, I HAD THE, THIS RIGHT HERE.

THIS IS THE PART-TIME HOURLY WAGES THAT I'LL SEND TO YOU.

YOU DID GOOD.

I WILL.

I HAVE IT ALL ON POWERPOINT.

I'LL SEND IT TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU, SO YOU CAN LOOK AT IT AND DIGEST IT.

UM, YEAH, AS YOU LOOK, FIVE NEW HIRES WILL COST ANYWHERE FROM 277,000, UM, TWO YEARS TO BE FUNCTIONAL.

THAT'S FOR NEW HIRES, FIVE PART-TIME EMPLOYEES WITH MEDICAL 197 AND THERE, THE SAVINGS IS 80,000 AND THEY'RE IMMEDIATELY ON THE STREET.

MAKES NO SENSE NOT TO DO IT.

IT MAKES NO SENSE.

IF WE'RE ASKING PEOPLE TO BE CERTIFIED, PUT YOURSELF ON THE LINE EVERYDAY, LIKE THEY HAVE AND CONTINUE TO DO, LET'S GIVE THEM SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN HANG THEIR HAT ON AND WE CAN PROBABLY GET EVEN BETTER, MORE QUALIFIED.

UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR.

THAT'S ONE OF OUR BIGGEST FUNCTIONS IN THE YEARS, WE'LL BE MORE EFFICIENT AND EFFECTIVE.

AND COST-EFFECTIVE NOW ANY QUESTIONS YOU WERE, ARE YOU LOOKING FOR THREE PEOPLE? THREE POSITIONS IS THAT I WANT SAFETY FOR OUR PEOPLE AS WELL.

UM, YES SIR.

I'M, I'M PUTTING THAT.

I'VE ALREADY PUT IT IN THIS YEAR'S BUDGET FOR, TO PROPOSE IT FOR 20 YEARS, JULY, 2021.

THE ONLY ISSUE IS, AND THAT'S WHY I WAS KIND OF COMING LAST LAST WEEK IS IT TAKES ALMOST SIX MONTHS TO EVEN FIND A RECRUIT.

UM, AND THEN YOU HAVE SIX MONTHS OF THE ACADEMY, THEN YOU HAVE ALMOST THREE MONTHS OF AN FTO PROCESS, AND THEN YOU GOT THEM ON THE STREET.

IT'S GOING TO TAKE THEM ANOTHER FOUR OR FIVE MONTHS JUST TO GET ACCLIMATED WITH DOING THIS JOB.

UM, SO IT REALLY DOES TAKE YOU TWO TO THREE YEARS TO BE EFFECTIVE.

SO IF I CAN REPLACE THAT WITH PART-TIME EMPLOYEES, IT MAKES NO SENSE WHY WE CAN'T, WHY WE SHOULDN'T IT TRULY DOESN'T BECAUSE WE CAN PUT THESE INDIVIDUALS IN AN SRO POSITION, TAKE THAT SRO, PUT THEM ON THE STREET IN THE COURTS, PUT THEM ON THE STREET AND CIVIL PROCESS, SO ON AND SO FORTH.

AND THEN WE CAN STILL LATERALLY, MOVE THEM BACK AND FORTH TO COVER OUR SHORTAGES, WHICH SHOULD REDUCE OUR OVERTIME.

SHARA SHORTEN OUR CALLS FOR SERVICE AND ACTUALLY JUST PROVIDE YOU A BETTER, PROVIDE THE COUNTY WITH A BETTER SERVICE.

SHERIFF, DO YOU HAVE ALL THAT DATA? I'M A DATA PERSON.

SO I LIKE LOOKING AT HOW MANY PEOPLE DO YOU HAVE.

WHAT'S THE TIME FOR YOU TO GET TO CALL? WHAT, WHERE HAVE YOU MISSED THE MARK AND NOT GETTING THERE IN THE TIME THAT YOU NEEDED TO? AND THAT'S THE WAY I MEASURE HOW, HOW I SHOULD ADEQUATELY SPEND TAXPAYER DOLLARS.

I AGREE WITH YOU.

AND THE CALLS FOR SERVICE HAVE GONE DOWN TIMES BECAUSE WE DO INITIALLY WAS BREAK HART COUNTY DOWN INTO FOUR SECTIONS SECTORS.

SO NOW OUR DEPUTIES ARE IN CERTAIN AREAS, MAJORITY OF THE NIGHT.

SO THEIR CALL TIMES RESPONDING ARE FASTER, BUT WHEN YOU'RE SHORT AND ALL THAT'S OUT THE WINDOW AND WITH COVID TRAINING AND EVERYTHING ELSE, WE'RE, WE'RE BEHIND THE CURVE ON THAT.

AND I DO HAVE THE DATA.

I HAVE ALL THE DATA.

I HAVE A, I HAVE A BOARD SITTING THERE IN MY OFFICE THAT LITERALLY HALF OF MY DEPARTMENT, WHICH IS I DIDN'T HAVE PROBABLY, BUT IT'S CONSTANT.

I'M LOOKING AT IT AND DEALING, YOU KNOW, WORKING WITH THE BUDGET THAT WE'RE GIVEN AT HAND AND MOVING FORWARD.

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UM, MAJOR DRESS CODE.

DID YOU WANT TO SPEND SOME TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT AS WELL? THANK YOU.

APPRECIATE IT.

COUPLE OF MOMENTS OF YOUR TIME A MONTHS AGO, YOU'VE HEARD THIS THROUGHOUT THE EVENING.

UM, I HAD THE PLEASURE OF BRINGING YOU SOLUTIONS, NOT A, UM, MONTHS AGO.

WE ALL EXPERIENCED UNPRECEDENTED CHALLENGES, NOT ONLY IN OUR COMMUNITY, IN OUR, IN OUR STATE, IN OUR COUNTRY.

SO WE JUST ASKED THE QUESTION.

WE WE'VE GOT A GREAT TEAM, OUR PUBLIC SAFETY TEAM AND OUR COMMUNITY AND THE VOLUNTEERS, OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS.

UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A WHOLE COMMUNITY APPROACH, WE DO A GOOD JOB.

I ALWAYS ASK MYSELF, WHERE CAN WE GET BETTER? SO IN LOOKING AT SOME OF THE CHALLENGES OF PLANNING, THESE SPECIAL EVENTS, I ASKED A SIMPLE QUESTION.

I CAN ASK YOU THIS AND THINK OF THIS FOR JUST ONE MOMENT.

WHAT'S THE DEFINITION OF SPECIAL EVENTS.

I GOT AS MANY ANSWERS AS I HAD PEOPLE IN THE ROOM WHEN I ASKED THAT VERY SIMPLE QUESTION.

SO HOW DO YOU TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THEIR EXPECTATION FOR A MARCH, FOR ANY TYPE OF GATHERING WHERE YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE LARGE GROUPS OF PEOPLE? I MEAN, HOW DO YOU SET THE LEFT AND RIGHT LIMITS FOR TELLING THEM WHAT'S EXPECTED OF THEM AS AN ORGANIZER WHEN WE OURSELVES CAN'T PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION TO THEM.

SO I TOOK, UM, I TOOK SOME TIME IN OUR RESEARCH, THE BEST PRACTICES THAT COULD LOCATE THROUGHOUT OUR COUNTRY AND DEVELOP A MODEL POLICY IT BY NO MEANS IS PERFECT.

IT'S MERELY JUST BUILDING BLOCKS TO START A DISCUSSION.

THAT'S WHAT IT PROVIDES YOU THIS EVENING.

SO IF YOU JUST TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES, I HAVE A POWERPOINT THAT JUST KIND OF PREFACE IT.

I WILL NOT TAKE IT NOWHERE NEAR, AS LONG AS THESE GENTLEMEN DID.

WE'LL BE DONE HERE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES, I GUESS THIS IS TEED UP, MAYBE.

MORE COST-EFFECTIVE WAY THAT I CAN'T UNDERSCORE THAT MORE IN A COST-EFFECTIVE WAY AND IN A WAY THAT'S COORDINATED AND BETTER COORDINATED.

WE'LL GO AHEAD AND GET STARTED WHILE HE'S TEEING IT UP.

UM, SO I'M JUST GOING TO KIND OF TOUCH ON SOME OF THE HIGH POINTS, TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE PURPOSE AND SOME OF THE OBJECTIVES OF THE POLICY.

SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH HAVING TO READ THROUGH ALL THAT.

UM, MOST IMPORTANTLY, TO BENEFITS OF LOOKING AT DEVELOPING A HOLISTIC POLICY.

WE HAVE A POLICY HERE IN THE COUNTY WHERE YOU WERE JUST LITTLE THINGS.

I'M TALKING ABOUT THE BIG THINGS, BECAUSE IF WE CAN LEARN FROM THE PAST A BETTER PLAN FOR THE FUTURE, WE'LL BE SMARTER.

WE CAN MANAGE RISK BETTER.

AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE CAN MANAGE MONEY EXPECTATIONS AND PROVIDE A MUCH BETTER SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY.

UM, SO THAT WAS KIND OF THE IDEA.

ARE WE GOOD? OKAY.

SO, UM, LET ME JUST GO AHEAD AND I'LL JUST START AND I'LL CATCH UP WHEN HE GETS THIS FIRED UP.

SO BASICALLY THE OBJECTIVE OF THE POLICY IS PRETTY SIMPLE.

IT STATED IN THE DOCUMENT IS TO PROVIDE GUIDANCE FOR REGULATING THE USE OF STREETS, SIDEWALKS, GREENWAYS, PARKS, OTHER PUBLICLY OWNED PROPERTY, WHICH WE HAVE A DUTY TO PROTECT, BUT ALSO PROVIDE THE OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES, HAVE SPECIAL EVENTS, HAVE FUN EVENTS, NOT TO HAVE EVENTS, A BAD THING.

UH, IT COULD BE A RACE, COULD BE A PARADE.

WE HAVE A LOT OF GOOD THINGS TO HAPPEN TO OUR COMMUNITY.

SO I'M NOT OVERSHADOWING THAT BY SAYING THAT WE'RE FOCUSING ON SOMETHING BAD.

UM, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK A BETTER WAY OF TRYING TO MANAGE THAT.

UM, AND SO I TRY TO DEVELOP A WAY TO KIND OF START THAT CONVERSATION.

UH, THE PURPOSE IS FAIRLY SIMPLE.

IT'S REALLY TO PROVIDE BETTER SERVICES AND PROTECT THE HEALTH AND PUBLIC SAFETY OF OUR RESIDENTS AND OUR COMMUNITY WITH FINITE RESOURCES.

THAT'S PROBABLY THE THEME YOU HEARD DOING MORE WITH LESS TRYING TO BE SMARTER, COME UP WITH A GOOD BUSINESS MODEL THAT WE CAN ALL AGREE ON, THAT WE CAN DEFEND MANAGE RISKS.

UM, AND IT'S A BETTER AND SMARTER WAY OF DOING BUSINESS.

AS FAR AS, UH, DEALING WITH THESE EVENTS THAT WE MIGHT BE FACED WITH ALSO LIMITING INCONVENIENCE TO RESIDENTS COMMUTERS.

WE'VE HAD THE EXPERIENCE RECENTLY OF THE LEAF FESTIVAL PEOPLE COMING IN.

AND AS YOU PROBABLY WELL KNOW, YOUR PHONES PROBABLY WERE BLOWN UP.

WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO WITH TRAFFIC? WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THIS? WE'VE HAD ALL KINDS OF EVENTS THAT HAVE TAKEN PLACE, WHICH I'M SURE YOU FEEL TO CALLS OF PEOPLE THAT WERE DISSATISFIED, UNHAPPY, WANTING MORE, WANTED LESS.

SO WE'RE TRYING TO LOOK AT LIMITING INCONVENIENCES TO THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, PLACES OF WORSHIP BECAUSE OF THESE EVENTS, BECAUSE WE CAN BRING THEM IN AS THE STAKEHOLDERS AND TALK TO THEM.

AND LIKE I SAID, SETTING THESE LIMITS KIND OF HELPS DO THAT.

SO I WANTED TO TRY TO DEVELOP A FRAMEWORK FOR A STRATEGY.

SO MOVING FORWARD AT PLAN PRESENTS SUCH A, A JUMP OFF POINT.

SO WE WANTED TO CREATE SOMETHING THAT'S STRAIGHT FORWARD AND CREATED ACCOUNTABILITY ON OURSELVES, BUT ALSO ON REQUESTS.

I COULDN'T TELL YOU HOW MANY TIMES SOMEBODY CAME TO THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AND PROBABLY TO ELECTED OFFICIALS TO THE TOWN AND SAID, WE WANT TO HAVE SOMETHING.

WHAT DO YOU WANT TO HAVE? WELL, I WANT TO DO THIS WELL.

WHEN IS IT? WELL, HOW ABOUT NEXT WEEK? DID WE EVER DEFINE OUR EXPECTATIONS? THEN NOW THERE'S THIS KNEE-JERK REACTION TRYING TO HURRY AND SPEED THINGS UP TO ACCOMMODATE PEOPLE.

WE'VE OFTEN HAD CON EVENTS COMPETE IN TIME AND SPACE WITH EACH OTHER.

WE DIDN'T CAPTURE THAT.

NOBODY CAUGHT THAT WE LET TWO AND THREE THINGS HAPPEN AT THE SAME TIME IN THE SAME GENERAL AREA, WHICH CREATES PROBLEMS. UM, SO WE WANT TO ENABLE OUR PUBLIC SAFETY PARTNERS AND THE COUNTY ENTITIES TO BETTER MANAGE THESE THINGS SO THAT WE CAN PROVIDE A BETTER SERVICE AND

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SO IF YOU LOOK AT PAGE ONE DEFINITIONS, SO SOME STANDARDIZED DEFINITIONS, THERE WERE ACCEPTABLE CLEANING ENGLISH, YOU KNOW, BASIC SOME THINGS WE HAVE REOCCURRING WALKS AND PARADES, MAYBE PERHAPS A 5K RUN, MAYBE SOME MOTORCYCLE RELATED, UM, GENERAL EVENTS, WHICH COVERS FESTIVALS MARKETS, UH, OPEN AIR EXHIBITS.

THAT'S, THAT'S COMMON, UH, SOME, SOME BASIC DEFINITIONS BLOCK PARTIES JUST THINK OF YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD AS A LOCALIZED EVENT THAT ONLY AFFECTS CERTAIN AREAS.

BUT IF WE CAN DEVELOP A PLAN WHERE WE CAN PUBLISH THEM AND TALK TO FOLKS AND SHOW THEM WHERE ROW CLOSURES ARE IN ADVANCE, GIVE THEM ADVICE ON ALTERNATIVE ROUTES OF TRAFFIC.

AND WE CAN WORK WITH DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, OTHER PARTNERS, TO BUILD IN A SMARTER WAY TO MANAGE TRAFFIC.

THE LEAF FESTIVAL IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE THAT WE PLAN ON REVISITING THAT TO TRY TO LEARN FROM THE PAST, TO TRY TO FIGURE SOME OTHER WAY OUT TO MANAGE THE TRAFFIC FLOWS, UM, FILMING AN EVENT THAT SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME HERE AND CREATE A FILM OR A DOCUMENTARY HERE.

UM, THAT'S A GOOD SOURCE OF REVENUE.

UM, BUT IT'S ALSO SOMETHING THAT'S VERY INTRUSIVE.

IF NOT MANAGED, I'VE EXPERIENCED IT MYSELF.

IF YOU DON'T MANAGE IT, IT WILL MANAGE YOU.

UM, SO WE HAVE TO COME UP WITH A PLAN FOR DEALING WITH, UM, MY PROPOSAL WAS SIMPLE, IS PUT TOGETHER A WHOLE COMMUNITY APPROACH WHERE WE HAD EFFECTIVE STAKEHOLDERS THAT COME TOGETHER TO REVIEW THESE APPLICATIONS FOR PUBLIC USE PERMITS.

UM, THESE ARE FOR THE LARGER ONES, THERE ARE SOME THAT ARE MUCH SMALLER AND EASY TO MANAGE AND BRANDY DEALS WITH THOSE.

THEY GO THROUGH THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICE QUITE OFTEN, AND THEY'RE FAIRLY EASY TO DEAL WITH WHILE I'M PROPOSING SOME FOR THE ONES THAT ARE MORE COMPLICATED.

MR. MAPES HAD THE PLEASURE OF SITTING THROUGH SOME OF THESE, AND I KNOW SOME OF YOU AS WELL WITH SOME OF THESE LARGER EVENTS.

SO THESE WILL BE MANAGED TO A SPECIAL EVENTS REVIEW PANEL.

AND THAT WOULD BE A SELECTED GROUP OF LAW ENFORCEMENT NOT TO EXCLUDE THE TOWN OF FRONT RULE.

THEY ARE IN THE COUNTY.

WE HAVE EVENTS THAT CROSS THROUGH THERE.

UH, THEY HAVE EVENTS THAT AFFECT US.

SO IT'S TO BUILD THAT COLLABORATION DISCUSSION SO THAT WE CAN BETTER MANAGE THESE PUBLIC WORKS, UH, RISK MANAGEMENT.

I'M BIG ON RISK MANAGEMENT, TRY TO IDENTIFY WHAT ISSUES WE'RE GOING TO CONTEND WITH IN A WAY OF MITIGATING THOSE.

AND SOMETIMES IT'S AS SIMPLE AS SAYING NOW, HEY, GOT MAJOR DRISCOLL, YOU BROUGHT UP THE TOWN.

AND SO MY QUESTION IS, IS, SO YOU'VE GOT COUNTY OWNED PROPERTY, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT THE TAIL.

THEY GO OUTSIDE IN THE TOWN.

SO DOES THE TOWN HAVE A POLICY LIKE THIS? OR THEY HAVE A POLICY? I HAVEN'T LOOKED AT THEIRS IN DEPTH.

I DID GLANCE AT THEIR PROCESS AND WE ACTUALLY, I TOOK THE LIBERTY OF GOING OVER TOWN, TALK TO THEM A LITTLE BIT.

SO THE YOU'LL, YOU'LL SEE THIS IN NEXT STEPS.

THE NEXT STEP WOULD BE TO HAVE THAT COLLABORATION.

UM, AGAIN, THEY'RE SOVEREIGN DAIKIN MAKE THEIR OWN POLICIES AND PROCEDURES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT I'M SURE AFFECTIVE GOVERNMENT LISTENS TO EACH OTHER.

WE HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THEIR COUNTERPARTS, WITH THE TOWN POLICE.

WE EXPERIENCED VERY SIMILAR, IF NOT IDENTICAL PROBLEMS, EVERYTHING YOU HEARD TONIGHT, UH, NOT HAVING ENOUGH PEOPLE ARE BEING STRESSED OVER TIME.

UH, OVERDOSES DOESN'T MATTER.

WHAT IS FIRE CALLS? EMS CALLS.

IT'S A SHARED EXPERIENCE.

SO IT NOTHING I'LL SAY TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, THIS SHOULD SHOCK HER AMAZE, THE TOWN COUNCIL AT ALL.

SO IF THEY WERE SITTING HERE, THEY'D PROBABLY BE SHAKING THEIR HEAD GOING.

YEP.

WE GOT THOSE SAME ISSUES.

WELL, I JUST THINK IF WE COULD SOMEHOW CONFORM TO THE SAME EVENTS, POLICIES, THEN PEOPLE WOULDN'T BE CONFUSED BASED ON WHO THEY WERE DEALING WITH.

I, I AGREE.

UH, YOU'LL SEE THAT WHEN WE GET TO THE LAST SLIDE, THE NEXT STEPS WOULD BE IMPANELED THE GROUP AND EMPOWER THE GROUP TO GET TOGETHER, TO TALK ABOUT THAT.

WHERE CAN WE SYNCHRONIZE OUR EFFORTS AND SHARE SOME OF THOSE RESPONSIBILITIES THERE BETTER YET THROUGH RESOURCING? YOU KNOW, WHY HAVE DUPLICATION OF EFFORT WHEN YOU CAN PROVIDE ONE THING WE CAN PROVIDE THE OTHER AND THEREIN LIES THE VALUE OF THE DOLLAR BECAUSE WE'RE NOT DUPLICATING EFFORTS AS WELL.

SO, EXCELLENT.

I'VE CONSIDERED THAT.

AND LATER ON, IF YOU ACCEPT THIS AND WE WANT TO ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE, WE'RE UP TO IT.

WE'LL HAVE THAT DISCUSSION AND TRY TO COME UP WITH A WAY OF COMING UP WITH SOME CONTINUITY COUNT MUTUAL AID AGREEMENTS.

IT DOESN'T DO ANY GOOD FOR, LIKE, YOU TALKED ABOUT RADIOS.

IF YOUR RADIO DOES ONE THING AND MINE DOES ANOTHER, THAT DOESN'T HELP EITHER ONE OF US.

SO THIS PLAN IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF PLANNING PARAMETERS WITH THE, WITH THE TOWN OFFICIALS AND WITH THE TOWN PUBLIC SAFETY AND THE TOWN AS WELL.

SO, UM, AGAIN, UH, I'M JUST MERELY SUGGESTING THIS AND THE NEXT STEPS WOULD INCLUDE THAT DISCUSSION.

SO LET ME SEE IF WE CAN ACTUALLY GET THIS WORK.

IF NOT, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND TALK THROUGH THIS BECAUSE IT BASICALLY COVERS WHAT YOU HAVE.

UM, UH, SEE THEM AT EASE AND THEY CAN KIND OF PLAN THEIR VANS OR PLAN AROUND THEM MENTIONED COMING HOME FROM WORK AT FIVE O'CLOCK ON A, ON A FRIDAY, YOU'VE HAD A LONG DAY GOING BACK AND FORTH FROM DC.

WELL, IF YOU, IF YOU TURN YOUR ATTENTION TO NUMBER THREE BENEFITS, I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND BULLET POINT THIS FOR YOU.

SO SOME OF THE BENEFITS, AGAIN, VERY TALKED ABOUT IMPROVED INTERNAL COORDINATION AMONGST OURSELVES HERE WITH THE GOVERNMENT, UH, COUNTY AUNTIES, BUT BETTER COMMUNICATION WITH THE PUBLIC, TELLING THEM WHERE ROAD CLOSURES ARE TELLING THEM WHAT VENTS ARE IN ADVANCE.

MAYBE PERHAPS, UH, ENHANCING A MASTER, A MASTER CALENDAR WHERE IT ACTUALLY HAS THESE EVENTS WHERE THEY CAN,

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IT REALLY WOULD BE NICE TO KNOW SOMETHING WAS GOING ON.

CAUSE THEN PEOPLE CAN PLAN ACCORDINGLY.

AND THAT'S THE TYPE OF COLLABORATION WE WANT TO DO WITH THE PUBLIC SO WE CAN PROVIDE THEM WITH MORE INFORMATION.

UH, SLIDE SEVEN, PLEASE, IF YOU COULD THANK YOU.

SO THIS IS OUTLINED SOME OF THE BENEFITS.

WE TALKED ABOUT TIMELINES DEFINING EXPECTATIONS.

SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF UNFAIR FOR SOMEBODY TO COME AND PUT THE BURDEN ON THIS COMMUNITY SAYING, I WANT TO DO AN EVENT AND THEY DON'T GIVE YOU SUFFICIENT TIME.

UM, I'M SURE RICK WOULD ATTEST TO THIS.

SOME EVENTS TAKEN AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF TIME TO PLAN FOR SOME VERY LITTLE, BUT WE NEED TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS WHERE PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT THAT IS, UH, BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOME OBLIGATIONS AS WELL.

YOU MAY HAVE AN ORGANIZER, MAY HAVE A DUTY TO NOTIFY CERTAIN BUSINESSES OR ENTITIES AROUND THEM.

THAT'S THEIR RESPONSIBILITY TO GET BUY-IN AND EXCEPTIONS, BUT ALSO GETS RID OF CONFLICT WHEN WE CAN DO THOSE TYPES OF THINGS.

SO AGAIN, I TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT ENHANCING RISK MANAGEMENT.

UH, ONE EXAMPLE WOULD BE DEPENDING ON THE EVENT, THIS DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN IT'S MANDATORY, BUT TAKING A LOOK AT DEPENDING ON WHERE IT'S AT AND WHAT IT IS AND WHAT THE RISK IS, UM, MAYBE HAVING PROVIDER PROVIDE LIABILITY INSURANCE.

I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHEN THE SHERIFF WAS RUNNING FOR ELECTION, HE HAD TO PROVIDE LIABILITY INSURANCE FOR AN EVENT.

IT'S NOT AN UNCOMMON PRACTICE, DEPENDING ON WHAT IT IS.

YOU WOULD ALSO HAVE LIBERTY FOR WAIVING THAT FOR SMALLER ONES, THAT WE LOOKED AT IT FROM A RISK PERSPECTIVE.

SO THERE'S VERY LITTLE RISK.

SO AGAIN, IT'S A FLEXIBLE THING THAT WE'RE IN THE INITIAL CONVERSATION ABOUT.

UM, TAKE A LOOK AT FOCUSING PUBLIC FUNDS AND HAVING GREATER ACCOUNTABILITY.

IF YOU ASK ME HOW MUCH SHOULD WE SPEND ON EVENT, I TRACK IT.

AND I LOOK AT IT AND IT REMINDS ME OF I'M RESPONSIBLE TO THE CITIZENS TO TRY TO COME UP WITH A WAY OF MANAGING EXPECTATIONS OF, AND STILL PROVIDING SAFETY AND STILL PROVIDE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE THEIR FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND TO BE ABLE TO GATHER AND EXPRESS HIMSELF OR A DIFFERENT TYPE OF EVENT AFTER ACTION REVIEWS, WE'LL CREATE A FEEDBACK PROCESS THAT COMES FROM AN ORGANIZER, THE PUBLIC, IT WILL BE ONLINE, COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT.

AND AS A GROUP, WE WILL GO BACK AND TABLETOP THOSE.

HOW WELL DID WE DO ON THAT LAST ONE? WHERE CAN WE DO TO IMPROVE? SO AGAIN, UM, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN INVOLVED WITH PROCESSES SIMILAR TO THIS.

THEY WORK IN MUCH LARGER JURISDICTIONS THAN THIS ONE, UM, CITY OF ALEXANDRIA AND AREAS OUT THAT WAY, WHERE WE'RE TALKING HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE GATHERED NOT THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE, BUT TREMENDOUS VOLUMES OF PEOPLE.

AND WE JUST NEED A PROCESS.

WELL, IF YOU'D BE KIND ENOUGH, THERE YOU GO.

BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A PROCESS BECAUSE THEY NEED TO HAVE A VOICE.

UH, WRAPPING THINGS UP, LOOKING AT, UM, REIMBURSEMENT FOR DAMAGES.

THIS WOULD BE INCLUSIVE.

WE'LL CREATE A PLANNING GUIDE FOR THE CUSTOMER.

SO FOR SOMEBODY WHO WANTS TO HAVE AN EVENT THAT OUTLINES ALL OF THESE THINGS AND BASICALLY A CHECKLIST THAT KIND OF HELPED THEM BUILD THEIR EVENT WELL IN ADVANCE OF EVEN APPLYING FOR A PERMIT, THEY CAN TAKE THIS, LOOK AT IT AND IT GIVES THEM GUIDANCE.

UM, BUT ALSO TOO, YOU MAY HAVE AN EVENT THAT HAS, HAS MET.

UH, RICK DOES A PHENOMENAL JOB OF COST RECOVERY.

THAT'S JUST THE COST, THAT'S THE COST OF BUSINESS, BUT SMART BUSINESS, BECAUSE YOU MAY HAVE AN EVENT THAT DUE TO SOME TYPE OF ACTION OR SOMETHING, IT CREATES A PROBLEM WHILE THEY, WE LIVE IN A LITIGIOUS SOCIETY.

AND I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT, SO, BUT WE NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT HOW TO MANAGE THAT, UH, SECURITY POSITS, NOT MANDATORY, JUST MERELY AN IDEA, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE EVENT IS.

UM, I THINK ONE OF THE BIG BENEFITS IS ALLOWS FOR DECONFLICTION WITH SOME OF THESE OTHER EVENTS THAT ARE GOING ON.

SO IT, YOU NAILED IT, UH, MISS AT THE TIME YOU'D BE DOING ONE THING, WE'RE DOING ANOTHER, WE'RE HAVING THAT SAME CONVERSATION.

WE'RE NOT TOGETHER.

WE'RE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER WE'RE DUPLICATING EFFORTS.

AND WE MAY EVEN CREATE A PROBLEM BY DOING THAT AND AVOID, UM, NOTIFICATION POLICY.

THAT'S WHERE I WAS TALKING ABOUT HAVING AN EXPECTATION ON THE ORGANIZER, WHERE THEY MAY HAVE TO MAKE SOME NOTIFICATIONS, UH, AND GET SIGNED OFF AND BUY IN.

AND AGAIN, IT, IT, UH, IT DE-CONFLICT SOME OF THOSE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS THAT COULD HAPPEN IN THAT PROCESS.

LET'S SAY THAT WE LOOK AT SOMETHING AND REMEMBER I SAID, ONE ANSWER IS NO, YOU'LL SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF WHERE NO IS A SIMPLE ANSWER, BUT LET'S SAY THAT, UM, DUE TO A RISK OR DUE TO THE DECISION OF THE GROUP, THEY GO, WE CAN'T THROW THE, UH, RESOURCES.

UH, WE HAVE ANOTHER EVENT OR WHERE WE DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE WE'RE IN THE MIDDLE OF COVID.

THERE'S ALL KINDS OF REASONS THAT CONTRIBUTE TO SAYING, NOT NOW, MAYBE NOT NOW OR NOT THAT PLACE,

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THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO EXPRESS TO THE GROUP.

ONE CAN ASK A QUESTION THAT'S REASONABLE AND SOME TYPE OF APPEAL PROCESS WHERE THE FINAL WORD I'D RECOMMEND.

IT GOES UP TO MR. DALEY'S POSITION, WHERE IF IT WENT TO THAT FROM THE BOARD, AND WE SAID, YOU KNOW, WE ARE JUST DENYING THIS AND THIS IS WHY, AND WE GIVE IT TO YOU IN WRITING THE APPEAL PROCESSES.

AND HE HAS THE LAST WORD, LIKE ANY, YOU KNOW, QUASI, UH, CRIMINAL PROCESS OR ADMINISTRATIVE REVIEW PROCESS.

ANYTHING SOMEBODY NEEDS TO HAVE THE LAST WORD.

AND IT NEEDS TO BE SOMEBODY THAT, UM, THE PEOPLE RESPECT THAT HAS THE AUTHORITY, ACCORDING TO OUR COUNTY CODE AND RESPONSIBILITIES.

SO AGAIN, UH, CONSIDERING THE PROCESS, UM, ARE SOME, SOME, SOME BASIC LIMITATIONS I DEFINED IN THERE.

UM, THE POLICIES SHOULD DEFINE LIKE THE TYPE OF EVENTS AND NUMBER OF EVENTS WE CAN MANAGE.

CAUSE IT'S, IT'S LIKE THE SUPER BOWL.

IT TAKES A MINIMUM OF 18 MONTHS, UH, UPWARDS OF TWICE THAT TO PLAN FOR SOMETHING LIKE THE SUPER BOWL, SOME OF THESE EVENTS, THE OLYMPICS, UH, POLICE AND FIRE GAMES, BUT WE NEED TO LOOK AT HOW MANY CAN WE, WHAT IS APPROPRIATE FOR US, FOR OUR SMALL COMMUNITY TO ACCOMMODATE DURING A GIVEN MONTH YARD SALES ARE ONE THING.

PARADES ARE FAIRLY EASY, BUT WE MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE COMPLICATED.

SO WE NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT.

UM, ALSO TOO PROHIBITIONS ON HAVING MULTIPLE EVENTS OCCUPIED THE SAME FOOTPRINT.

SO IF PERSON A PUTS IN FOR IT AND WE GIVE IT TO THEM AND PERSON B GOES, WHAT ABOUT ME? OUR POLICY SAYS THAT, HEY, YOU HAVE TO DO IT TWO WEEKS FROM NOW, OR HOW ABOUT NEXT MONTH? AGAIN, THAT'S THEIR DECISION TO MAKE THAT THOSE DATES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, BUT WE JUST NEED TO COME UP WITH A PROCESS FOR WHERE, UM, CREATE STANDARDIZED TEMPLATES FOR ROUTES.

AGAIN, IT'S, IT'S, UH, THE LEE FESTIVAL IS A GOOD EXAMPLE WHERE WE CAN SIT DOWN WITH PARTNERS, DROP BACK, LOOK AT A 30,000 FOOT VIEW AND TRY TO COME UP WITH TRAFFIC FLOW PATTERNS, THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT AND COME UP WITH TEMPLATES THAT WE CAN SHAKE OFF.

AND RICK TALKED ABOUT EMERGENCY OPERATION PLANS.

PLANS ARE ONLY AS GOOD AS YOU KNOW THEM, BUT IF WE CAN CREATE SOME OF THESE TEMPLATES, IT SPEEDS TIME UP, ESPECIALLY IF FOLKS ARE TRAINED ON IT.

WE HAVE CONTINUITY WITH THE GROUP THAT'S WORKING TOGETHER.

UH, THE EVENT PLANNING GUIDE IS DEVELOPED FOR THE CONSUMER.

THAT'S BUILT TO INFORM THE PERSON AND EASY TO UNDERSTAND LANGUAGE STEP-BY-STEP ON WHAT THE EXPECTATIONS ARE FOR APPLYING WHAT THE PROCESS IS, UH, BASED ON THE TYPE OF EVENT OR PLAN FOR US.

IT MAKES IT SIMPLE.

SO, UM, THAT'S IN THE PLANNING STAGES, I'VE ACTUALLY STARTED ON THAT AND HAD TO SHELVE IT DUE TO OTHER COMMITMENTS.

CAUSE AS YOU SEE FROM THE SHERIFF WHERE WE'VE BEEN KIND OF BUSY HERE RECENTLY, UM, BUT IF THIS IS SOMETHING THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADOPT, I'M HAPPY TO GO AHEAD AND PUSH FORWARD AND, AND FINISH THE THAT I'D LIKE TO GO AHEAD AND FINISH THIS UP WITH, JUST TO COMMENT.

UM, SOMETIMES A KIND WORD IS NO WITH A SMILE, CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE, SOMETHING I WOULD CAUTION YOU ABOUT.

UM, SOME PEOPLE UNDERSTAND IT AND THEY GET IT AND THEY GO, OKAY, WELL, WHAT IS AN INFRASTRUCTURE? UH, IT'S BASICALLY TH THAT'S THE DEFINITION DIMINISH LOCAL STATE OR FEDERAL OR FEDERAL GUIDELINES THAT TELL US ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE, UH, DISRUPT ENCUMBERED OR EVEN DESTROY CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO, UM, PUBLICLY OWNED, MAINTAINED INFRASTRUCTURE AND ASSETS THAT THE COUNTY HAS, I'LL SHOW YOU THE NEXT COUPLE OF SLIDES.

THERE ARE THOSE THINGS THAT IF THEY'RE IMPEDED BROKEN DAMAGE DISRUPTED IN ANY WAY, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE HEARTACHES, IT'S GOING TO CAUSE, UH, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES, PUBLIC HEALTH ISSUES.

UM, THESE THINGS ARE NAMED THERE.

MATTER OF FACT, I TELL YOU RIGHT NOW WHEN RICK CONVENIENCES TEAM TO LOOK AT THE EMERGENCY OPERATION PLAN, PART OF THAT IS ALREADY IN THOSE MAPS OF WHAT TO DO IN THE EVENT OF CERTAIN DISASTERS AND EMERGENCIES AS IT APPLIES TO INFRASTRUCTURE.

SO I WON'T BORE YOU WITH READING LISTS, BUT I PROVIDED YOU WITH JUST A SNAPSHOT, BASICALLY INCLUDES FIRE STATIONS, UH, PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDINGS TO INCLUDE TOWN, RURAL COUNTER FRONT RULES, POLICE DEPARTMENT, UM, THE JAIL INDUSTRIAL SITES, ELECTRICAL FACILITIES, COMMUNITY FACILITIES, BRIDGES, AND DAMS. MOST, MOST DAMS ARE PRIVATELY OWNED, BUT DAMS ARE ESSENTIAL.

AND IF YOU DO SOMETHING, JUST THINK OF WHAT HAPPENS DOWNSTREAM.

SO WHY WOULD YOU LET ANYTHING HAPPEN IN THOSE AREAS? BRIDGES BECAME A VOTE CONTENTION OF LATE.

WE HAD A LOT OF LESSONS LEARNED A LOT OF DISCUSSION AND BASICALLY THE LESSON LEARNED WAS WHOSE PROBLEM IS IT? ANSWER EVERYBODY'S UNTIL WE COME UP WITH A VIABLE SOLUTION TO IT.

SO THIS COMES IN AN EXAMPLE THAT WE WOULD HAVE $150 MILLION BRIDGE.

ALL IT TOOK WAS ONE LOOKY-LOO VIDEOTAPING, LOOKING AT WHAT'S GOING ON, DRIVES OFF THE ROAD, HITS A DEPUTY, HITS A BYSTANDER HITS ONE OF THE ORGANIZERS THAT THE PEOPLE OUT THERE, UM, CAUSES AN ACCIDENT.

NOW TRAFFIC'S DISRUPTED GOD FORBID, IT'S A VEHICLE LARGE ENOUGH TO CAUSE DAMAGE TO THE BRIDGE.

AND NOW YOU HAVE A MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR RECONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON.

I'M SOMEBODY WHO'S GOING TO BE ASKING, WHO'S PAYING FOR THIS.

SO THE BEST WAY OF DOING IS LOOKING AT HOW DO WE MITIGATE THOSE THINGS IN THOSE AREAS THAT WE JUST SAY, THEY'RE OFF LIMITS.

YOU KNOW, WE JUST DON'T ENCOURAGE YOU TO HAVE YOUR VENT.

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JUST NOT THERE.

IT'S A SIMPLE THING.

WE'RE NOT SAYING NO, WE'RE JUST SAYING THERE'S, THERE'S A BETTER WAY OF DOING THINGS.

UH, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST ANOTHER LIST.

UM, THE COURTHOUSE, UH, COMMUNICATION CENTERS.

THAT'S NOT ONLY OUR TOWERS, BUT THAT'S OUR PROVIDERS.

UM, BECAUSE IF WE HAVE A PLACE WHERE WE HAVE AN OFFICE AND THEY SERVICE US, I REALLY WOULDN'T ENCOURAGE HAVING AN EVENT OUT IN FRONT OF THE PLACE WHERE SOMEBODY WOULDN'T COVER IT.

AND IF SOMETHING DID HAPPEN AND THAT'S WHEN MURPHY'S LAW USUALLY KICKS IN, THEY CAN'T GET THE TRUCKS OUT, THEY CAN'T GET OUT, THEY CAN'T PROVIDE THE SERVICE TO US.

WE NEED TO GET CELL PHONE TOWERS BACKUP OR SOMETHING SIMILAR TO THAT.

SO I'M SURE THAT YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THIS LIST.

IT'S NOT NEW TO US.

THIS JUST REMINDS US THAT WE JUST NEED TO THINK ABOUT THINGS, UM, IN ADVANCE ON HOW WE DO BUSINESS.

UM, I'LL LEAVE YOU WITH THIS.

UM, MY INTENT WAS SIMPLY TO PUT THAT DOCUMENT IN YOUR HAND, STARTED DISCUSSION.

UM, TRY TO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK AT IT, UM, BE SUPPORTIVE OF IT.

I'M NOT ASKING YOU TO ADOPT ANYTHING.

I'M JUST SIMPLY GIVING YOU THE INFORMATION.

UH, IF IT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU WANT TO MOVE FORWARD ON, NEXT STEP WAS SIMPLY IDENTIFYING THE WORK GROUP MEMBERS, WHICH HAVE ALREADY BEEN IDENTIFIED, BUT THOSE INDIVIDUAL PERSONS THAT WOULD COME TOGETHER, UH, FINALIZED DOCUMENTS AND THE PROCESS, UH, MAKE SURE IT'S LOGICAL.

DO SOME TEST RUNS, UH, USE SOME EVENTS THAT WE'RE FAMILIAR WITH TO KIND OF GO THROUGH THE PROCESS OF WHAT LOOKED LIKE.

UM, AGAIN, MOST CRITICAL THING IS THEN, UH, UH, REVIEW, IS IT LEGAL? IS IT IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO, BUT IS IT THE LEGAL THING TO DO? HOW DO WE DO IT THE RIGHT WAY? SO HAVING, UH, LEGAL, TAKE A LOOK AT IT AND AS A DOCUMENT AND AS A PROCESS AND MAKE SURE WE'RE ON FIRM, GROUND PUBLIC COMMENTS, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE AFRAID IS I'M NOT, I'LL SAY IT RIGHT NOW.

PUBLIC COMMENTS, YOU CAN TALK TO US OFTEN.

THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE CAC THAT THE SHERIFF WAS TALKING ABOUT? THE COMMUNITY ADVISORY COUNCIL, WE'RE VERY OPEN.

IT'S NOT JUST POLICY.

IT'S ABOUT THINGS THAT AFFECT THEM IN THEIR COMMUNITIES.

FAITH-BASED SCHOOL, NO MATTER WHAT IT IS WE WANT TO HEAR FROM THEM.

SO WE CAN COLLABORATE AND FIGURE OUT A WAY OF DOING THIS.

SO IF THIS, IF WE DO MOVE IN THAT DIRECTION, THIS WILL BE DISCUSSED WITH THEM TO GET THEIR FEEDBACK BECAUSE WE GOT EVERYBODY FROM THE SCHOOLS, YOU NAME IT, SITTING ON THAT COUNCIL.

THAT WAS THE INTENT TO GET A VERY DIVERSE GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT GIVE US DIFFERENT VIEWPOINTS BECAUSE TOGETHER WE'RE SMARTER.

AND THEN FINALLY PRESENT IT BACK TO YOU FOR ADOPTION.

SO THAT'S JUST THE STEPS.

I WOULD JUST LEAVE YOU WITH FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

I WOULD ENCOURAGE IT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE DOCUMENT.

HAPPY TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT IT.

I DON'T KNOW ALL THE ANSWERS.

I'M JUST HERE TO START THE DISCUSSION AND START THAT CONVERSATION.

CAUSE I REALLY THINK IT'S SOMETHING NEEDED.

SO ANY, ANY PARTICULAR QUESTIONS, IF WE AGREED WITH SOMETHING OTHER LIKE THIS, UH, AND WITH THE TOWN, OF COURSE.

UM, DO YOU HAVE A TIMELINE TO WHAT, HOW LONG IT WOULD TAKE YOU TO START FROM NOW UNTIL YOU'RE KIND OF READY TO GO? WELL, TH TO PULL THE TRIGGER AND REALLY IT'S, DEPENDING ON PEOPLE'S MEETING SCHEDULES, BUT I CAN TELL YOU RIGHT NOW, UM, I CAN GIVE YOU PROBABLY AN 85, 90% SOLUTION ON PAPER.

IT'S A MATTER OF GETTING THE PEOPLE TOGETHER TO TALK THROUGH IT.

BECAUSE LIKE, FOR EXAMPLE, I WOULDN'T SPEAK FOR PUBLIC WORKS.

I WOULDN'T WANT THEM SPEAKING FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW THE THINGS WE KNOW NOR DO.

I KNOW THERE'S A, THEY MAY HAVE SOME UNIQUE PERSPECTIVE.

SO THOSE CONVERSATIONS, I WOULD SAY, WE'VE GOT PEOPLE THAT ARE SPOT ON POINT.

IF WE GUIDE THAT CONVERSATION WITH THE EXPECTATIONS, WE CAN MANAGE IT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I DO AT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE.

I ACT AS THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND I, WE TALKED TO DIVISION HEADS, WE GET STUFF MOVING AND REALLY THAT'S, THAT'S JUST THE CONVERSATION.

IT JUST NEEDS TO BE FOCUSED.

WE CAN AGREE TO DISAGREE.

UH, BUT I THINK WE START AT THE COUNTY LEVEL.

THEN WE ENGAGE THEM BECAUSE UNLESS WE HAVE OUR GAME PLAN DOWN AND IT MAKES SENSE TO US, WE CAN'T SELL IT TO ANYBODY ELSE.

HERE'S GOING TO SAY, HOW DO WE KNOW THIS WORKS? SO I WOULD SAY TO ME, YOU'RE BASELINING EVERYTHING.

SO I WOULD SAY WE CAN PROBABLY, IF, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, HEY, JEFF, GO AHEAD AND MOVE FORWARD.

WE'D GET IN THIS GROUP TOGETHER AND START THAT DISCUSSION.

OF COURSE, WE'RE HOLIDAYS, OBVIOUSLY INSIDE A 45 60 DAYS, I THINK WE CAN FINISH THIS.

I MEAN, I REALLY DO THINK THAT'S REASONABLE BASED ON PEOPLE'S AVAILABILITY TO MEET.

WE CAN, WE CAN MAKE CORRECTIONS AND ADOPT TEMPLATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SOME OF THOSE THINGS WE CAN, AS WE GROW, WE'RE LOOKING AT THE POLICY AND THE GUIDE.

AND DOES IT MAKE SENSE? AND IS IT LEGAL? SO THE LEGAL REVIEW COMING IN, I CAN'T SPEAK FOR HER AND OUR COUNTY ATTORNEYS BECAUSE I KNOW THEY'RE VERY BUSY WITH A LOT OF STUFF WE PUT ON THEM, BUT I THINK WE CAN EASILY FINISH OUR CONVERSATION IF I GET THE RIGHT PEOPLE IN THE RIGHT ROOM, ON THE BUS, IN THE RIGHT SEATS, GOING DOWN A ROAD PROBABLY INSIDE OF A MONTH.

SO I'D SAY GIVE US 45 DAYS BECAUSE OF THE HOLIDAYS THAT WE COULD PROBABLY CAUSE NOTHING NOT MUCH IS GOING TO HAPPEN BETWEEN NOW AND THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO WE'RE KIND OF AHEAD OF THE CURVE OF SPECIAL EVENTS AND SPRINGTIME ACTIVITIES AND SUCH SET FOR MAYBE CHRISTMAS PARADES.

THOSE ARE EASILY MANAGEMENT.

WE DO THEM WELL.

SO WE HAVE PEOPLE LOOKING AT THAT.

THE MAJOR HAS SENT THIS AND WE'VE GOT THE DEPARTMENTS LOOKING AT IT ALREADY, ALREADY.

WE WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF SEEING WHAT IT IS AND YOU SEE THINGS IN THERE.

YOU

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WANT TO MARK UP AND BRING BACK, GIVE THEM TO THE MAJOR, GIVE THEM TO CAITLIN OR GIVE THEM TO ME OR SOMEBODY AND WE'LL GET HIM BACK TO HIM.

UM, YOU WOULD HAVE THE THREE PIECES ON A EMAIL OR SOMETHING THAT YOU COULD SEND ME THE TRUCKS.

YES, I COULD.

I WOULD ASK, JUST USE ME AS YOUR POINT OF CONTACT.

WELL, DO TOMORROW IS I WILL RESEND THIS OUT.

UM, I COULD ACTUALLY SEND WELL AS POWERPOINTS AVAILABLE TOO, BUT I CAN RESEND THE DOCUMENT TO OUR STAKEHOLDERS, ASKING FOR PEER REVIEW, SET A DATE FOR RESPONSE AND SAY, WE'D LIKE TO GET TOGETHER IN PERSON TO KIND OF TALK THROUGH THIS AND THUMBS UP, THUMBS DOWN.

CAN WE SUPPORT? THIS IS EVERYBODY IN AGREEMENT.

AND IF THEY'RE NOT IN AGREEMENT, WHAT'S THE DISSENSION, BUT YOU, YOU LOST TWO MEETINGS IN DECEMBER.

SO YOU ONLY HAVE ONE.

SO YOU WON'T SEE THIS BEFORE JANUARY BECAUSE WE HAVE THINGS FOR YOU TO DO NEXT WEEK.

AND THEN WE HAVE SOME THINGS IN DECEMBER AND WE'VE ONLY GOT ONE MEETING TO DO THEM IN.

SO, UM, IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO BE JANUARY BEFORE YOU SEE THIS MAJOR DRISCOLL.

I KNOW THAT IT'S NOT A SPECIAL EVENT, BUT LEAF, YOU KNOW, OCTOBER THIS YEAR WAS HORRENDOUS.

IT WAS, THERE WAS EMERGENCY ISSUES.

I HAD PEOPLE CALLING ME SAYING I MANAGED A NURSING HOME AND THE TRAFFIC IS SO BACKED UP THAT, SHOULD WE HAVE AN EMERGENCY? I DON'T KNOW HOW ANYBODY'S GOING TO GET IN HERE.

SO I KNOW THIS ISN'T SPECIFIC TO THAT BECAUSE NOBODY ACTUALLY GETS A PERMIT TO HAVE TO INVITE OUR FRIENDS FROM THE EAST TO COME LOOK AT THE LEAVES.

BUT IF WOULD THIS ENCOMPASS MAYBE WORKING WITH THE TOWN TO DEVELOP A TRAFFIC PATTERN, MAYBE REROUTE OR A DETOUR OR SOME SORT OF SOLUTION THAT WOULD, BECAUSE WE WANT THEM HERE.

WE DEFINITELY, BUT WE DON'T WANT THEM TO BE MISERABLE.

I CAN GIVE YOU, I CAN GIVE YOU AN ANSWER TO THAT RIGHT NOW.

UM, LIEUTENANT MOON, I'LL PUT TOGETHER AN OPERATIONAL PLAN IN COOPERATION WITH THE TOWN, UH, CHALLENGE.

I ASKED HIM AFTERWARDS TO SAY, WHEN WE DO THE AFTER ACTION REVIEW OF THIS, LET'S NOT JUST DO IT LIKE WE NORMALLY DO.

LET'S ASK WHAT QUESTIONS DID WE NOT ASK? WHO'S NOT IN THIS ROOM.

WE NEED TO TALK TO AND LET'S PULL BACK AND LOOK AT A BIGGER PICTURE.

CAUSE YOU LOOK AT THE TRAFFIC PATTERNS THAT COME IN, WE'RE TALKING, THEY COME FROM ALL POINTS, NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, EAST TRAVELING WESTBOUND, THEY'RE COMING FROM THE SOUTH.

THEY'RE COMING FROM THE NORTH.

WE GOT PEOPLE COMING FROM ALL OVER THE PLACE.

SO IT'S REALLY KIND OF TALKING TO V DOT, LIKE AUTHORITIES UP ON 66, WE NEED TO DEFINE AUTHORITIES AND COME UP WITH A WAY OF MAYBE A BETTER WAY OF MANAGING IT.

PART OF ITS COMMUNICATION.

UM, THE OTHER PART IS HOW DO WE MANAGE THE TRAFFIC? UM, AGAIN, WE THEY'VE ALREADY SPOKEN TO IT.

WE'VE BEEN AT MINIMAL STAFFING DEALING WITH LOTS OF FIRES WE'VE BEEN PUTTING OUT.

UM, NOT THAT THIS WAS NOT A PRIORITY, BUT IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO MANAGE THAT AND DO A BETTER JOB.

AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE PEOPLE OR THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE ROADWAYS ARE SMALL AND IT'S JUST, IT'S A FUNNEL.

YOU GET A LOT OF TRAFFIC BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU ONE PARTICULAR SATURDAY, THE TRAFFIC WAS BACKED UP ON 66, ALMOST ALL THE WAY TO GAINESVILLE THAT FIRST WEEKEND IT WAS, AND IT WAS GRIDLOCK IN TOWN, EVEN ON THE BACK STREETS.

WE'VE ALREADY STARTED THAT CONVERSATION.

SO I KNOW I'M GOING TO TALK WITH THE LIEUTENANT IN PATROL AND ALSO WITH CAPTAIN HORSEPOWER SO WE CAN GET TOGETHER AND HAVE A GOOD, HEALTHY DISCUSSION ON THIS.

SOME PEOPLE ARE GONNA SAY, WELL, THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO.

OKAY, WELL, LET'S ASK AND LET'S SEE IF THERE'S SOMETHING WE CAN DO.

UM, WE'RE LIMITED BY OUR INFRASTRUCTURE HERE ABOUT W HOW MANY CARS CAN GO THROUGH AND AT WHAT RATE THEY CAN GO THROUGH.

BUT WE NEED TO EXPLORE THAT MAYBE WE CAN USE TECH.

MAYBE WE CAN FIND TECHNOLOGY SOLUTIONS.

MAYBE WE CAN FIND GRANTS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS.

UM, YOU KNOW, SOME OF IT MAY BE JUST CHANGE IN TRAFFIC FLOW IN CERTAIN PLACES DURING A CERTAIN TIME.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE SOLUTION IS, BUT WE'RE GOING TO EXPLORE THOSE.

AND AGAIN, WE WON'T DO IT IN A VACUUM WHEN WE COME UP WITH THOSE AND WE TALKED TO THE BIG STAKEHOLDERS, WE'LL PRESENT THOSE PROS AND CONS.

THERE WILL BE PROS AND CONS.

WE CAN EXPECT THERE ARE PEOPLE GOING, HEY, THAT'S GREAT.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THIS IS THE EFFECT OF THAT.

SO THERE'S ALWAYS SOME TYPE OF A TERTIARY EFFECT AND CASCADING EFFECT OF THINGS.

WELL, UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES, NO MATTER WHAT, WE'RE ALREADY CONSIDERING THAT REALLY, WE WANT TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION BECAUSE WE WANT TO TRY TO, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO EXPERIENCE THAT IF WE CAN FIX IT, WE WANT TO TRY TO FIX WHAT WE CAN FIX.

AND THAT'S INCLUDED TALKING TO THE FOLKS THAT OPERATE AND OWN THE ROADWAYS, WHERE THE TREES ARE AT WELL.

AND, AND MAYBE EVEN THE FOLKS THAT OPERATE THE SHENANDOAH NATIONAL PARK, WHERE WE ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO INVITE THEM TO THAT DISCUSSION.

WE'RE GOING TO TALK TO THEM TOO.

SO WE'RE GOING TO HAVE EVERYBODY IN THAT ROOM TRYING TO HAVE A TOUGH DISCUSSION, SEE WHERE IT WONDERFUL.

YOU'RE WELCOME.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.

I APPRECIATE IT.

MAJOR TRICYCLE.

CLOSE SESSION, MR. CHAIRMAN.

UM, I DON'T NEED A MOTION OR ANYTHING, BUT I NEED TO KNOW WHETHER ON FRIDAY NIGHT AND SATURDAY, YOU WANT TO COME HERE OR YOU WANT TO MEET VIRTUALLY AND YOU JUST NEED TO TELL ME YOU DON'T NEED TO VOTE OR ANYTHING ELSE.

JUST, YOU JUST NEED TO TELL ME ME PERSONALLY, THE FOUR OF YOU.

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I'M HAPPY TO COME HERE.

COMING HERE FOR ME IS GOOD.

I'M FINE WITH COMING.

YOU GOT THAT DONE.

AND, UH, THAT WAS WHAT I NEEDED TO FIND OUT.

WE WILL BE HERE.

UH, WE'LL SEND YOU THE NOTICE AND THE STAFF NOTICE.

WE'LL PROBABLY START AT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON A FRIDAY.

WE MIGHT START AT SIX.

I WILL ASK HER, IS THAT IN THE MORNING? EVENING? OKAY.

AFTER AFTER WORKS OR AFTER YOU'RE DONE.

YOU WENT THE, THAT WOULD TAKE AN IVY OF COFFEE CHAIRMAN MAYB.

[Additional Item]

I MOVE THE BOARD.

ENTER INTO A CLOSED MEETING UNDER THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 2.2 DASH 37, 1183 OF THE VIRGINIA FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT FOR THE DISCUSSION OR CONSIDERATION OF THE DISPOSITION OF PUBLICLY HELD PROPERTY, REAL PROPERTY, WHERE DISCUSSION AND AN OPEN MEETING WOULD ADVERSELY AFFECT THE BARGAINING POSITION OR NEGOTIATING STRATEGY OF THE PUBLIC BODY.

I FURTHER MOVE THAT THE DISCUSSION BE LIMITED TO PROPERTY LOCATED IN THE SHANANDOAH MAGISTERIAL DISTRICT, OUTSIDE OF THE LIMITS OF THE TOWN OF FRONT ROYAL.

IS THERE A SECOND, SECOND ENDED DISCUSSION, MRS. SRIRACHA, COULD WE GET A ROLL CALL PLEASE? MS. OATS.

MR. CHAIRMAN, MR. POCS.

HI, WE'RE IN CLOSED SESSION.

HEY, FIVE MINUTES.