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THIS IS FOUR O'CLOCK.

[A. Call to Order]

[00:00:02]

I'M GOING TO CALL THE JANUARY 12TH, 2021 WORK SESSION TO ORDER.

I KNOW WE DON'T NORMALLY SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE AND HAVE MOMENT OF SILENCE, BUT I THINK WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON IN THE NATION TODAY, WE NEED ALL THE PRAYER WE CAN GET.

SO IF WE COULD HAVE A MOMENT OF SILENCE, THANK YOU.

AND TO SAY THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE, I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

AND THE FIRST THING

[B. Discussion – Virginia Department of Transportation Primary and Secondary Six Year Plans – Ed Carter]

ON OUR AGENDA IS MR. CARTER WITH YOUR V DOT SECONDARY SECURE PLAN.

YES, SIR.

THE LIGHTS ON THEN I'M RIGHT HERE.

CAN YOU HEAR ME GOOD NOW, DWAYNE, WE JUST HAVE A SOFT VOICE THERE.

NOPE.

IT'S IT'S DOWN.

PULL THE MIC UP A LITTLE.

THERE YOU GO.

TRY THAT BETTER, DWAYNE.

YES.

DR.

CARTER.

THANK YOU.

MADAM CHAIR, WOMAN.

I APPRECIATE THE BOARD GIVING ME THIS TIME.

UH, THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THAN I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT MY PURPOSE IS HERE TODAY.

UH, AND MAYBE SINCE, UH, ALL OF YOU, EXCEPT ARCHIE ARE NEW.

MAYBE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF HOW WE USED TO DO THINGS PRE COVID AND THEN WHERE WE'RE AT RIGHT NOW.

AND THEN TALK ABOUT WHAT OUR PLAN IS MOVING FORWARD FOR THIS YEAR.

I DO NOT HAVE ANY SLIDES OR ANY FORMAL PRESENTATION BECAUSE IT IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING.

AND, UM, WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT THE BUDGET'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE QUITE YET, BUT I WANT TO GIVE YOU ALL SOME FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

UH, WE WILL BE COMING BACK IN THE SPRING.

OKAY.

UH, WE'RE TOLD THAT OUR, OUR CENTRAL OFFICE IS PLANNING TO GO BACK INTO A NORMAL CYCLE WHERE WE WOULD DO PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, OF COURSE WILL BE VIRTUAL.

UH, I'LL PROBABLY BE HERE IN PERSON, BUT THROUGH THE PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS, UH, WE WILL BE PRESENTING WHAT FUNDS ARE FORECASTED AND WHAT'S AVAILABLE FOR BOARD TO TALK ABOUT WHAT THEIR PRIORITIES ARE IN TERMS OF SPENDING THOSE FUNDS.

SO THAT'S MY PURPOSE HERE TODAY IS TO, AND TO TRY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS BECAUSE I KNOW SOME OF YOU ARE, WELL, THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE NEW.

I KNOW ARCHIE KNOWS WHAT THE GAME PLAN HAS BEEN, BUT, BUT THE REST OF YOU MAY HAVE SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PROCESS.

AND QUITE FRANKLY, THE PROCESS SAMES DRASTICALLY, UH, WITH THE ADVENT OF THE COVID RESTRICTIONS.

SO HISTORICALLY, UH, EVERY SPRING IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE CODE, WE HOLD A PUBLIC HEARING IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE COUNTY TO DISCUSS, UH, OR TO PRESENT THE FUNDS THAT ARE, HAVE BEEN ALLOTTED TO THE COUNTY BY THE STATE.

AND TO SEE IF THE FUNDS THAT ARE BEING SPENT ON THE PROJECTS THAT ARE BEING SHOWN OR WHAT THE COUNTY WANTED IN TERMS OF THEIR, UH, PRIORITIES.

AND OF COURSE WE HAVE CONVERSATIONS THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, WHICH HELPS US, UH, ESTABLISH THOSE PRIORITIES.

AND IN SOME COUNTIES, UM, THE, UH, THE BOARD KIND OF MADE THAT DECISION ON A YEAR TO YEAR BASIS.

AND I'M HOPING TO, TO MAKE A SALES PITCH TODAY WHERE YOU ALL GO OUT A LITTLE BIT FARTHER WITH THAT INSTEAD OF MAKING THAT DECISION AT, AT BUDGET TIME EVERY YEAR, UH, OF COURSE, LAST YEAR WITH COVID, WE HAD NO PUBLIC HEARINGS AND THE, UH, GENERAL ASSEMBLY AND THE ATTORNEYS GOT TOGETHER AND SAID THEY WOULD MEET STATE REQUIREMENT OF THE CODE.

SINCE WE VOTED ON A PLAN IN MAY OF 2019 TO JUST CONTINUE 20 AND 2021,

[00:05:02]

ALONG THAT SAME PLAN, WE W WE WOULD HAVE, UH, SATISFIED THE CODE REQUIREMENTS.

AND SINCE OUR REVENUE PROJECTIONS WERE DRASTICALLY AFFECTED ON A LITERALLY A DAY BY DAY BASIS WITH COVID OVER THE PAST SUMMER AND EVERYTHING, NOBODY REALLY KNEW WHAT TO EXPECT IN TERMS OF REVENUES COMING IN AND HOW THE PLAN WAS GOING TO BE AFFECTED ANYTHING BEYOND 2021.

AT THE BEGINNING OF LAST YEAR, BEFORE COVID BECAME A, UH, AN ISSUE, OUR REVENUES WERE RUNNING ABOVE FORECAST, WHICH IS A GOOD THING BECAUSE WHEN COVID KICKED IN AND THE REVENUE STARTED TO FALL, AND THAT PROJECTION STARTED TO FALL, WE HAD AMPLE CASH IN THE BANK, B.DATA AS A WHOLE TO CONTINUE ITS PLAYING PROGRAM THROUGH 2021.

UH, SO WE, WE WERE ABLE TO CONTINUE WITH ALL THE WORK THAT WE HAD PLANNED FROM JUNE THE FIRST, I MEAN, SORRY FROM JULY THE FIRST, LAST YEAR, LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.

I GET THIS CONFUSED, EXCUSE ME, JUST TO MINT FROM JULY THE FIRST OF 2019 THROUGH JUNE, THE 30TH OF 2020, THERE WERE FUNDS TO COMPLETE THAT WORK.

ALSO, THE FUNDS WERE THERE TO COMPLETE THE WORK FROM JUNE, JULY, THE FIRST OF 2020 THROUGH JUNE 20TH OF 2021.

SO THOSE THINGS ARE, ARE INTACT AND SOLID IN TERMS OF HAVING THE FUNDS AND THE PROJECTS.

AND AS YOU KNOW, WE GOT QUITE A BIT OF RURAL RUSTIC WORK DONE WITH A MAJORITY OF THOSE FUNDS, UH, THIS PAST SUMMER.

NOW OUR CENTRAL OFFICE PEOPLE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF NOW OF REDOING THE FORECASTED REVENUES FOR THE STATE.

AND THEIR PLAN IS TO TAKE THAT FORECAST HABIT COMPLETED SOMETIME IN FEBRUARY AND LOADED INTO OUR SYSTEM SO THAT WE CAN GO BACK TO A STORE.

I CALL IT SEMI NORMAL, UH, CALENDAR AND PRESENT A PUBLIC HEARING TO THE COUNTIES ON THE SECONDARY PLAN.

AND THE APRIL MAY TIMEFRAME.

NOW, I DON'T REALLY, WE DON'T REALLY KNOW WHAT THAT BUDGET FORECAST IS GOING TO LOOK LIKE.

THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S GOING TO LOOK LIKE, BUT, UH, BASED ON PAST DUE THIS PAST YEAR, WE WEREN'T, WE DIDN'T GO AS DEEP IN THE HOLE AS WE THOUGHT WE WOULD.

AND WE DIDN'T MAKE WHAT WE THOUGHT WE WOULD.

SO WE WERE SOMEWHERE IN BETWEEN.

SO BASED ON THAT, I KIND OF ANTICIPATE WE'RE GOING TO BE SOMEWHERE IN THAT TIME AND THAT LINE FOR THE UPCOMING YEARS.

OKAY.

HISTORICALLY WHEN A SIX YEAR PLAN IS PRESENTED, OKAY, YOU CAN GENERALLY COUNT ON THE FIRST TWO YEARS BEING FAIRLY SOLID, MEANING THAT PRETTY GOOD CHANCE.

THOSE FUNDS ARE GOING TO BE THERE WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT REVENUES FIVE AND SIX YEARS OUT.

OKAY.

YOU'VE GOT THE SAME CRYSTAL BALL ANYBODY ELSE HAS.

OKAY.

SO THAT'S WHY IT'S UPDATED EVERY YEAR, BECAUSE AS WE GET CLOSER, IT BECOMES FIRMER.

I JUST LET KNOW, LET'S SAY PANHANDLE ROAD WAS SCHEDULED FOR 20, 25.

GET DONE.

OKAY.

IF THE REVENUES BASED ON THAT CURRENT YEAR'S PROJECTION, IF THE PLAN IS PRESENTED IN HOLD TRUE, THEN IT WILL GET DONE IN 2025.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S THE DATE, I'M JUST USING THE EXAMPLE.

IF THOSE REVENUES FALL DOWN FROM WHAT WAS PROJECTED AT CURRENT YEAR, THEN CHANCES ARE THAT ROAD'S GOING TO MOVE OUT TO 26 OR 27.

THAT'S HOW THE PROCESS WORKS.

IT'S KIND OF LIKE A BIG CONVEYOR BELT, YOU KNOW, AS LONG AS WE CAN LOAD MONIES ON ONE END OF IT, WE CAN TAKE AND SPEND THE MONEY ON THE OTHER HAND, THE SMALLER, THE PILE, LOAD IT IN.

OKAY.

THE SMALLER AMOUNT WE'RE ABLE TO SPEND ON THE OTHER END.

AND WE HAVE TO PUSH PROJECTS OUT.

MR. INTERRUPT ME AT ANY TIME.

SO THE INCREASE IN GASOLINE TAX THAT STARTED ON JULY OF THIS YEAR, HOW WILL THAT IMPACT THAT

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IT HELPS INCREASE THE REVENUES.

OKAY.

OKAY.

BUT THERE ARE A LOT OF OTHER FACTORS THAT GO IN WITH IT.

FOR ONE THING, THE TELEWORKING FOR PEOPLE HAS INCREASED SIGNIFICANTLY.

NOBODY'S DRIVING TO WORK ANYMORE.

EVERYBODY'S WORKING FROM HOME NATURALLY.

WE CONSUME LESS GAS.

SO IF WE, IF WE INCREASE THE TAX, CHANCES ARE, WE'RE GOING TO GET LESS REVENUE OR IT'LL BE NEUTRAL AT BEST BECAUSE PEOPLE AREN'T GOING ANYWHERE.

YOU KNOW, YOU CAN'T GO OUT TO THE RESTAURANTS BECAUSE THE RESTAURANTS ARE CLOSED, YOU KNOW, AND IN A LOT OF BUSINESSES, YOU, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE DOING HOME DELIVERIES.

NOW EVERYBODY'S BUYING EVERYTHING.

I BET.

I BET THE MAJORITY, UH, AND I DON'T HAVE A FACTS TO BACK THIS UP OF CHRISTMAS SHOPPING WAS DONE ONLINE AND, AND DELIVERED TO THEIR HOUSES AS OPPOSED TO GOING IN STORES AND BUYING IT.

SO ALL OF THAT IMPACTS THE AMOUNT OF TRAVEL ON THE ROADS.

OUR TRIBALS WERE DOWN OVER 20%, THE PEAK OF, UH, ON OUR ROADWAY COUNTS DURING THE PEAK OF COVID THIS YEAR.

SO THAT IMPACTS THE 20% LESS GAS BEING USED.

NOW THAT'S PICKING BACK UP NOW, BUT TO WHAT TIME IT GETS BACK TO FOUR, IF IT EVER GOES BACK TO FULL IS ANYBODY'S GUESS HOW DID THEY, BY SAYING THAT THAT AFFECTS THE, YOU KNOW, UH, THE, THE NUMBER WITH THAT BEING LOWER.

HOW DOES THAT AFFECT OUR AREA? WHEN I KNOW YOU DID TRAFFIC COUNTS, UM, AND THEY LOOK AT THAT AND I HAD ASKED LAST SPRING, YOU KNOW, HOW'S THAT GOING TO WORK? THEY DID THIS DURING COVID AND THEY DIDN'T COME BACK.

ONCE THEY STARTED OPENING THINGS BACK UP.

ARE THEY GOING TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION WHEN THEY ALLOT THE MONEY FOR THIS, OR HOW'S IT GOING WORK? UH, AND THERE USED TO BE SOMETHING CALLED SECONDARY ROAD FORMULA BACK CODE.

OKAY.

AND THAT SECONDARY ROAD FORMULA, ALL THE MONIES THAT WENT INTO SECONDARY ROAD SYSTEMS WERE ALLOTTED THROUGH A REALLY COMPLEX FORMULA, WHICH I, I'M NOT SMART ENOUGH TO EXPLAIN, BUT ESSENTIALLY IT WAS DOLED OUT BY COUNTY POPULATION.

OKAY.

AND THE AMOUNT OF ROAD MILES THAT THEY HAD, AND ALL OF THAT WENT INTO, UH, YOU KNOW, SOME BIAS, A LOT SMARTER THAN ME.

AND THEY SAID, OKAY, WARREN COUNTY BASED, YOU'RE ALLOTTED X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS, FREDERICK COUNTY YOU'RE ALLOTTED X AMOUNT AND SO FORTH.

LIKE THE LEGISLATION DID AWAY WITH THAT SECONDARY FORMULA.

IT ENDED IN 2020.

AND NOW ALL OF THOSE MONIES GO INTO SOMETHING CALLED THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM.

SO THE MONIES THAT, THAT GOES IN THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM, OR FOR THE 11 COUNTIES THAT ARE IN THE STANTON DISTRICT AND WHAT THEY'RE MOVING TOWARDS AND, UH, IS A SMART SCALE TYPE COMPETITION FOR THE SECONDARY ROADS.

THE COUNTIES ASKED FOR DOLLARS.

OKAY.

AND THEY'RE COMPETING AGAINST OTHER COUNTIES THAT ARE ASKING FOR THAT DOLLARS IN THE DISTRICT, AS OPPOSED TO SMART SCALE COMPETES IN THE ENTIRE STATE.

BUT THE DISTRICT GRANT PROGRAM ONLY COMPETES WITH THE 11 COUNTIES IN THE DISTRICT SO FAR.

UH, I HAVE NOT SEEN WHERE THE, UH, THE MONIES HAVE, UH, PRE COVID SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCED WITH THAT IN MIND.

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE PROJECTIONS THAT THEY'RE GOING, THE CALCULATIONS THEY'RE GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW, WHAT IT WILL END UP LOOKING LIKE AT THE END OF FEBRUARY, MY GUESS IS IT WILL BE FAIRLY STABLE IF WE'RE PUT INTO IT.

WELL, THAT'S TRUE.

UH, BUT THE COMPETITION IS, IS PROJECT BASED.

IT IS NOT COUNTY BASED IN OTHER WORDS.

YEAH.

WELL, YEAH, THAT, THAT'S TRUE, BUT IT'S PRETTY SIZABLE POT, UH, FOR THE DISTRICT THAT GOES INTO THE DISTRICT GRANT.

OKAY.

AND, UH, I DON'T THE, WE AREN'T QUITE YET AT THE POINT WHERE YOU ARE, WE'RE NOT AT THE SMART SCALE POINT FOR THE DISTRICT GRANT YET.

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OKAY.

WHERE WE'RE MOVING IN THAT DIRECTION, YOUR CHANCES OF GETTING, IF YOU HAVE A ROADWAY OUT HERE THAT HAS THREE, 400 CARS ON IT.

OKAY.

DID NEEDS ATTENTION.

OKAY.

IT'S THE SAME CHANCE OF GETTING MONEY AS FREDERICK COUNTY, WHO HAS A ROADWAY OUT HERE WITH THREE OR 400 CARS.

THEY DON'T HAVE ANY ADVANTAGE OVER YOU AT THIS CURRENT TIME.

I DON'T KNOW, TWO, THREE YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

DO YOU EVALUATE THE ROADS BEFORE YOU MAKE THAT DECISION? YES.

AND THAT IS WHY THAT IS WHY I'M ENCOURAGING WARREN COUNTY TO LOOK HARD AT ADAPTING, A RANKING SYSTEM FOR THEIR SECONDARY ROADS.

FREDERICK COUNTY HAS ONE SHANNON DORA COUNTY ADOPTED ONE IN 2019.

OKAY.

AND HART COUNTY DOESN'T HAVE ENOUGH SECONDARY ROAD, UH, TO THAT THEY ONLY HAVE 23 MILES OF ON PAPER.

YEAH.

WELL, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU CHARGE SOME AREA OF YOUR STAFF.

OKAY.

TO, TO LOOK AT WHAT'S OUT THERE.

I WOULDN'T REINVENT THE WHEEL.

OKAY.

AND THEN I WOULD HAVE THEM AND WE'LL BE GLAD TO WORK WITH THEM.

OKAY.

OH, OKAY.

UM, AND WE'LL WORK WITH THEM AND GIVE THEM ALL OF THE BACKGROUND INFORMATION THAT WE HAVE FROM BOTH OF THOSE COUNTIES.

UM, FREDERICK COUNTY SCORING SYSTEM IS DIFFERENT IN THAT IT, UH, IT LOOKS AT MORE FACTORS THAN WHAT SHANNON DOOR COUNTY LOOKS AT.

AND THEREFORE IT IS WHEN YOU UPDATE IT, IT REQUIRES MORE EFFORT FOR THE UPDATE.

OKAY.

SHANNON, DORA COUNTIES LOOKS AT, UH, WIDE, I THINK, OR, OR THE, UH, THE CENTRAL ITEMS, THE DICTATE, THE CONDITION OF THE ROAD.

AND THEY UPDATE THEIRS EVERY TWO YEARS.

AND THIS YEAR IS COMING UP FOR AN UPDATE.

NOW, THE, UH, THE REASON I SAY STAFF, THEIR STAFF WORKED WITH US FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS TO DEVELOP THEIRS.

AND WE FURNISHED ALL OF THE INITIAL DATA TO ENTER INTO THEIRS.

AND, UH, AND WE WOULD DO THE SAME THING FOR WARREN COUNTY.

WE WOULD FURNISH THE DATA AND THERE ARE A LOT OF SYSTEMS OUT THERE WHERE THE DATA CAN BE GATHERED.

YOU JUST NEED SOMEONE TO, THAT'S DEDICATED TO GETTING IT DONE.

UH, AND WHAT THIS DOES IS IT DOES TWO THINGS.

NUMBER ONE, WE DON'T HAVE FUNDS ENOUGH.

YOU KNOW, IT COST US $300,000 TO DO A MILE OF UNPAVED ROAD.

AND IF WE TOOK ALL THE UNPAVED ROAD THAT WE HAVE IN THE, UH, EDINBURG RESIDENCY, OKAY.

WE'RE TALKING ABOUT OVER $50 MILLION.

WELL, IT'S JUST NOT THERE.

HE IS GOING TO BE THERE.

SO THE THING TO DO IS TO SAY, OKAY, IF I'M GOING TO GET $1, WHERE DO I SPEND THAT DOLLAR WHERE I CAN HELP THE MOST IS REALLY WHAT YOU'RE ASKING.

I'M SORRY.

WE HAVE DONE THAT IN THE PAST AS FAR AS LOOKING AT MOST.

UM, WE, WE, YEAH, WE HAVE DONE IT THROUGH CONVERSATION.

THIS, THE PRIORITIZATION PROCESS I'M TALKING ABOUT IS IN THE MIRROR.

NO, WHAT I'M SAYING, WE'VE DONE THAT IN THE PAST.

I KNOW, YEARS AND YEARS AND YEARS BACK.

AND IT WAS JUST , IT WAS MAINLY LIKE, TRY TO SPREAD THAT MONEY AROUND IN THE DISTANT DIFFERENT DISTRICTS, UM, FOR WHATEVER REASON, BUT AT LEAST IN THE LAST 10 OR 15 YEARS OR BETTER, WHAT WE TRY TO DO IS LOOK AT THE ROAD, COUNTS TRIPS OR WHATEVER.

AND THOSE WERE MORE, UH, MOVED UP ON THE LIST, JUST LIKE OREGON HOLLER ROAD, UM, WHICH WE FINISHED.

UM, AND THERE, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, TRYING TO RANK THEM THERE IT'S A LITTLE BIT, UH, LESS THAN WHAT INTENSE WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THAT'S A STARTING POINT.

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LET'S GET, I HATE TO SAY THAT, GET THE MOST BANG FOR THE BUCK.

I MEAN, OR YOU CAN PUT A $300,000 INTO A ROAD THAT HAS 800 TRIPS A DAY OR 300,000 AND THE ROAD HAS GOT 40 TRIPS A DAY.

RIGHT.

THAT'S THE FIRST THING TO DO, I THINK, TO LOOK AT, AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK WE'VE DONE IN, LIKE I SAID, IN THE PAST 15, 18 YEARS OR WHATEVER, THAT'S THE FIRST CRITERIA AND THEN MADE THE MOST SENSE.

WELL, IT'S NOT ONLY TRIPS.

UH, I'LL TELL YOU SOME OF THE OTHER CRITERIA THAT WAS LOOKED AT, UH, YOU CAN HAVE A ROADWAY THAT, AND FREDERICK COUNTY HAS SOME OF THESE, I DON'T BELIEVE WARREN COUNTY HAS IT, BUT FURTHER COUNTY HAS SOME WHERE THEY BOUGHT IN WEST VIRGINIA.

THEY HAVE ROADS WITH 10 HOUSES ON IT THAT HAVE 300 TRIPS A DAY.

OKAY.

290 OF THEM ARE FROM WEST VIRGINIA.

SO DO YOU SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT ONE TO SERVICE THE PEOPLE THAT ARE TRAVELING ON WET FROM WEST VIRGINIA? OR DO YOU SPEND IT ON A ROAD WITH MAYBE A HUNDRED TRIPS TODAY, BUT THEY'RE ALL WITHIN, THEY'RE ALL COUNTY FOLKS WHEN YOU CAN'T BILL WEST VIRGINIA.

HUH? CAN'T BILL.

I WISH THAT'S A GOOD THOUGHT, BUT IT'S NOT PRACTICAL.

UH, WHAT I JUST DID, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME OF THE CRITERIA.

I DON'T WANT TO TAKE UP THE WHOLE MEETING ON THIS, THAT I'D JUST PLANNING FOOD FOR THOUGHT.

AND IF THE BOARD WANTS TO MOVE THIS TO EIGHT, JUST LET ME KNOW.

AND, AND, YOU KNOW, WE'LL ASSIST IN ANY WAY, BUT THEY LOOK AT THE COUNTS.

OBVIOUSLY THAT'S ON THE ROAD.

THEY LOOK AT THE GEOMETRICS OF THE ROAD.

OKAY.

THEY LOOK AT THE DRAINAGE ISSUES THAT ARE ON THE ROAD.

ALL OF THAT EQUATES TO HOW MUCH MAINTENANCE WE SPEND ON THE ROAD.

WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE ON THE ROAD.

AND THIS, THIS GOES TO THE THING ABOUT, UH, YOU KNOW, ALL THE RESIDENTS USING THE ROAD, OR IS IT A CUT-THROUGH FOR SOMEBODY? UH, THEY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE'S AN ACCIDENT HISTORY ON THE ROAD.

THEY LOOK AT WHETHER OR NOT THERE ARE SCHOOL BUSES THAT USE THE ROAD WITH FREQUENCY, UM, AND THEY ASSIGN A VALUE TO EACH ONE OF THOSE.

AND THEN THEY ADD THOSE VALUES UP AND, AND ROAD A MAY SCORE, UH, UH, DEPENDING ON WHAT NUMERICAL VALUE YOU PUT ON, IT MAY SCORE 30, OR IT MAY SCORE 70 ROAD, B MAY ONLY SCHOOL, TWO OR THREE, AND THAT'S AN EXTREME, BUT IT GIVES YOU AN EXAMPLE OF WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

AND THE THING THAT THAT DOES FOR YOU, IT HELPS YOU SPEND YOUR DOLLARS.

WHERE ARE YOU GOING TO GET THE BIGGEST BUYING AND SERVE THE MOST OF YOUR CITIZENRY? IT ALSO TAKES ANY, IT TAKES THE POLITICS OUT OF IT BECAUSE ONCE THE BOARD PASSES THAT, UH, OR IF THE BOARD DECIDES TO PASS THAT METHODOLOGY AND MOVE THAT WAY, THEN JOHN DOE CAN'T COME TO MR. MAYBE, OR, UH, HIS COLOR ARCHIE, OR, OR YOU AND YOUR CITIZEN.

CAN'T COME SAY, I WANT YOU TO GET MY ROAD PAVED.

YOU CAN SAY YOUR ROAD FALLS IN THIS CATEGORY, AND THIS IS WHAT HIS SCHEDULE.

AND THIS IS WHAT WE'RE STICKING BY.

FREDERICK COUNTY HAS, UH, UH, WHEN THIS THING FIRST CAME UP IN FREDERICK COUNTY, IT'S BEEN IN PLACE FOR 10, 15 YEARS THERE.

NOW THEY, UH, A LOT OF PEOPLE FALL IN IT.

AND NOW EVERY YEAR THEY'RE BLESSED THAT THEY HAVE IT BECAUSE THEY HAVE SOMETHING THAT S THE FAIRNESS FOR EVERYBODY ACROSS THE COUNTY.

AND, AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE BLUNT AS COUNTY OFFICIALS OF WHY THIS ROAD'S GETTING DONE.

AND THIS ONE ISN'T BECAUSE I HAVE, THERE'S A METHODOLOGY THAT HAS DATA AND FACTS BEHIND WHY THIS ROAD SHOULD HAVE THE DOLLAR SPIN ON IT BEFORE THIS ROAD.

NO, IF I UNDERSTOOD YOU CORRECTLY EARLIER, YOU SAID, WE'RE WORKING ON A SCHEDULE OF THESE VALUES.

ARE WE ALL GOING TO BE ON THE SAME VALUE SCALE OR EACH, EACH COUNTY WILL HAVE ITS OWN VALUES TO PRIORITIZE ITS OWN ROAD? Y I Y WELL, THAT'S JUST THE WAY THAT THE COUNTIES CAME UP WITH IT.

SO YOU DON'T SET THOSE VALUES.

WE CAN SET THOSE.

YEP.

WE DON'T, I DON'T SET THE BAGGIES.

SO I THINK IF I HEARD, RIGHT, UH, GEOMETRICS DRAINAGE, TRAFFIC COUNT,

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NUMBER OF RESIDENTS, SCHOOL, BUS, ROUTE, AND THE NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS, NUMBER OF ACCIDENTS.

RIGHT.

AND THEN MY, UH, WOULD GET HOLD OF YOU AND CREATE SOME SORT OF A FORMULA TO WEIGHT THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES.

WELL, I WOULD SHARE, WE DON'T, I WOULD SHARE WITH MIKE, IF HE'S THE GUY THAT'S GOING TO BE DOING IT, I WOULD SHARE WITH HIM WHAT THE OTHER COUNTIES DID.

YEAH.

AND HE CAN PRESENT TO THE BOARD AND SAY, THIS IS WHAT A COUNTY DID.

THIS IS WHAT B COUNTY DID.

OKAY.

AND SHANNON DOOR WENT THROUGH THIS EXERCISE.

IF WE WENT THROUGH, OH, ANOTHER, ANOTHER CRITERIA YOU MIGHT PUT DOWN THERE.

IT WAS HOW LONG PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ON THE LIST.

OKAY.

THAT CARRIED SOME WEIGHT.

OKAY.

HOW ABOUT IF, UM, AN AREA SAY PEOPLE ON A PARTICULAR ROAD GAVE RIGHT AWAY VERSUS, AND I KNOW WITH RURAL RUSTIC, YOU DON'T NEED RIGHT AWAY ANYMORE.

BUT IF AN AIR OF THE RESIDENTS ON ONE ROAD SAID, YOU KNOW, WE, WE WANT THIS DONE.

WE'RE WILLING TO GIVE THE RIGHT OF WAY VERSUS ANOTHER ROAD WHO MEETS THE CRITERIA, BUT THEY'RE UNWILLING TO GIVE RIGHT AWAY, EVEN THOUGH YOU DON'T NEED IT ANYMORE.

BUT, AND UNDER THE RULE RUSTIC PROGRAM, WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO EXCEED OUR 30 FOOT PRESCRIPTIVE.

OKAY.

SO THE RIGHT OF WAY, IF YOU START GETTING INTO RIGHT OF WAY, YOU START GETTING INTO PROJECT SIZE WHERE YOU HAVE TO HOLD PUBLIC HEARINGS.

WELL, I THINK IT HAPPENED TO TWO, TWO THOUGHTS, OR TWO THINGS CAME, COME TO MIND, KIND OF FITS IN WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.

AND THAT WAS GOONIE MANOR LOOP, WHICH I THINK THEY'D GIVEN SOME RIGHT AWAY FOR SOME, SOME TIME.

AND, UH, I THINK THEY DIDN'T DO A STANDARD STATE ROAD.

THEY JUST BACKED OFF AND DID ROLL RUSTIC OR WHATEVER.

IT'S ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO.

AND I THINK WHEN THEY FIRST PUT IT OUT FOR BID IS LIKE 1.4.

SO THEY SAID THAT WAS OVER, OVER PRICE.

THEY PUT OUT FOR BID AGAIN, IT CAME BACK AT 1.9.

YEAH.

SO THEY WENT INTO IT AND THE PEOPLE THAT OWN ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE ROAD THEY'D GET IN A LOT OF, UH, UH, RIGHT AWAY.

AND THE BENEFIT THERE WAS, I THINK THAT WAS COSTING LIKE 15, 20 GRAND A YEAR JUST IN MAINTENANCE.

SO IT MADE A LOT OF SENSE TO DO THAT.

THE OTHER ONE THAT COMES TO MIND TOO, AND THAT WAS IN, UH, MR. ARCHIE'S, UH, DISTRICT NOW IS PANHANDLE ROAD.

AND I THINK THEY WENT FROM, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S, IF IT'S RIVERMONT DRIVE OR WHATEVER SO FAR, AND THEN THEY WANTED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO LOW WATER BRIDGE.

UH, BUT THERE WAS SOMEBODY RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE.

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO GIVE UP THE RIGHT OF WAY AT THAT TIME.

AND THIS, THAT BOARD, PREVIOUS BOARDS, I THINK THEY'D BEEN REALLY RESISTANT TO DO A CONDEMNATION.

SO WE JUST WENT UP AS FAR AS WE COULD AND DID WHAT WE COULD.

SO THOSE ARE JUST A COUPLE OF EXAMPLES OF, RIGHT.

AND WHEN THE MAINTENANCE IS OBVIOUSLY A FACTOR THAT YOU WOULD WANT TO WAIT.

RIGHT.

AND THAT'S THE SAME THING TOO, GOING BACK TO OREGON, HOLLY, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, THE DRAINAGE THAT COMES INTO PLAY, BUT THE DRAINAGE CAN ALSO BE AN ADDITIONAL EXPENSE.

CAUSE I THINK BEING RIGHT NEXT TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT CREEK THAT IS.

ALL OF IT'S BEEN NASA'S RUN OR WHAT, BUT THEY HAD TO PUT IN THREE OR FOUR OR FIVE, SIX CULVERTS, AND IT'S ACTUALLY TURNED OUT REALLY WELL.

AND NOW I DON'T, I DON'T THINK IT GOES ALL THE WAY TO KHYBER PASS, BUT THERE'S A SECOND PHASE.

IT'S I THINK IT'S IN A SIX YEAR PLAN AND A REALLY, UH, INTERESTING PART.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN OUT THERE WITH CHILDERS OR WHATEVER WHEN YOU GET ABOUT HALFWAY BEFORE.

AND I THINK IT'S PROBABLY IN THE CHANDON DISTRICT, YOU REALLY GOT A NARROW, NARROW, NARROW PLACE AND YOU GO UP A HILL AND WHOLE THING, AND I'VE HAD SEVERAL CALLS FROM THE RESIDENT OUT THERE TOO.

SO THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH WE CAN DO WITH SO, SO MUCH MONEY THAT'S THAT'S THAT'S RIGHT.

AND THE CASE OF OREGON HOLLOW, WE, UH, THERE THERE'S A PROGRAM CALLED HIGH VOLUME SECONDARY THAT THE CTB AS ALLOWED TO DOLE OUT.

OKAY.

AND SUPPOSEDLY, UH, THE, UH, IT HAS TO BE 500 VEHICLES OR MORE PER DAY IN ORDER TO GET THOSE FUNDS, OREGON HOLLA QUALIFIED FOR THAT.

NOW THE ROAD, THE END OF OREGON HOLLER OFF OF THIS MORE HALLOWEEN.

OKAY.

THAT WAS DONE BY PROJECT.

THAT, THAT ENDED UP BEING OVER A MILLION DOLLARS FOR THAT.

THEN WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE FROM THE END OF THAT, THE KHYBER PASS ON THE, UH, THE, UH, REVENUE SHARE.

I'M NOT REVENUE SHARING THE, UH, RURAL RUSTIC PROGRAM.

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AND THEN WE WERE ABLE TO GO TO THE OTHER END OF OREGON HOLLA AND COME BACK UP TO THAT LOW WATER STRUCTURE, THAT OVERFLOW STRUCTURE WITH A REAL RUSTIC PROGRAM, THE PIECE IN THE MIDDLE.

OKAY.

WILL NOT, YOU CANNOT DO WITH RURAL RUSTIC BECAUSE EVEN WITHIN THE 30 FOOT RIGHT AWAY, THERE'S NOT ROOM TO WIDEN THE ROAD BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS.

CAUSE ONE SIDE DROPS RIGHT STRAIGHT DOWN TO THE CREEK.

THE OTHER SIDE IS HIGH BANK.

SO THAT'S GOING TO REQUIRE A MAJOR CONSTRUCTION PROJECT.

WHAT'D YOU SAID TOO, JUST TO CLARIFY, WE COMPETE WITH OTHER LOCALITIES, BUT IT IS PRIORITY OR NOT, BUT ARE WE NOT ALLOTTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT BASED ON THE COUNTY? YES.

YOU WILL GET CERTAIN, UM, UM, UH, MOUNT, UH, I'M JUST SAYING THAT IT, IT, SOME FOR PROJECT WISE, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT PIECE.

AND I MAYBE I DIDN'T MAKE MYSELF CLEAR, LET'S SAY YOU WANTED TO DO THAT PIECE OF OREGON HOLLOW, THIS LIFT.

OKAY.

THAT'S PROJECT MONIES.

SO YOU WOULD SUBMIT A REQUEST FOR THAT.

ALL RIGHT.

AND THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT HAD TO COMPETE.

YOU'RE GOING TO GET X AMOUNT OF DOLLARS FOR YOUR SECONDARY PROGRAM, NOT FROM FORMULA, BUT FROM THE DISTRICT GRANT.

BUT THE PIECE THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, SAY THE, THE OREGON HOLLOW AND MIDDLE PIECE THAT WOULD BE IN COMPETITION WITH THE REST OF THE STATE AND DISTRICT.

YES.

OKAY.

THIS WAS LIKE I SAID, THAT I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT WE GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT WE CAN DO MOST, ANYTHING THAT YOU GOT IN RURAL RUSTIC, YOU'RE GOING TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THAT YOU PUT IN, UH, YOU'LL GET A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF FUNDS TO APPLY TO THOSE MERITS.

SOME OF THEM MAY BE THIS YEAR.

SOME OF THOSE FUNDS MAY COME THE SECOND YEAR AND THE FULL FUNDING MAY NOT COME FROM THE THIRD YEAR, BUT WE DIRECT THAT.

I'M SORRY.

WE, THE BOARD OF SUPERVISORS DIRECT HOW THAT'S ALLOCATED TO WHICH PROJECT THAT CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY WE GET.

YES.

NOT IN COMPETITION WITH OTHER COUNTIES, RIGHT.

JUST TO VERIFY THOSE DOLLARS, IT'S THOSE DOLLARS THAT YOU WANT TO PRIORITIZE TO GET THE BIGGEST BANK.

RIGHT.

AND BY DOING THIS, WE KIND OF GIVE UP A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF OUR INPUT TO THE SYSTEM AND TO WHOEVER'S RANKING THEM INSTEAD OF US HAVING SOME PERSONAL, WHICH IS A LITTLE BIT CONCERNING TO ME.

UH, YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT THE, THE VOLUME COUNT AND I, I KIND OF THINK ANOTHER AREA FOR WARREN COUNTY WE NEED TO LOOK AT IS, AND I UNDERSTAND IF YOU HAVE PEOPLE COMING IN OFF OF A ROAD, JUST CUTTING THROUGH, GOING TO WORK EVERY DAY AND GOING BACK, BUT OUR COUNTY THRIVES OFF OF TOURISM.

SO SOME OF THESE ROADS, TOURISM IS A, UH, THAT ROAD AFFECTS TOURISM.

AND I THINK THAT NEEDS TO BE ONE, AT LEAST I FEEL ONE THAT WE NEED TO PUT THERE, UM, AS A CONSIDERATION, YOU KNOW, AND THE VOLUME COUNT IF, IF THEY COME OUT AND THEY PUT THE COUNTER DOWN IN THE MIDDLE OF A WEEK, ON A ROAD THAT A LOT OF ITS TRAFFIC IS DRIVEN, NOT ONLY RESIDENTIAL, BUT TOURISM, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET AN ACCURATE COUNT FOR THAT ROAD.

UM, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE DON'T WORK WITH THE STATE EMPLOYEES UNLESS IT'S A WEATHER RELATED THING.

THEY DON'T WORK ON THE WEEKENDS NECESSARILY.

BUT I THINK ABOUT OVERLOOKING THAT WE WOULD BE CUTTING SOME OF THESE ROADS SHORT ON WHAT'S ACTUALLY ON THEM TO TAKE IN CONSIDERATION OF THE WEAR AND TEAR THAT'S GOING TO BE THERE.

AND THE EFFECT OF THAT ROAD BEING IN REALLY POOR CONDITION HAS ON BRINGING TOURISM BACK TO IT.

IF YOU COME OUT TO HAVE AN EXPERIENCE AND YOUR EXPERIENCE IS YOUR TEETH ARE CRACKED BECAUSE YOU JARRED THEM ON A POTHOLE ROAD THAT NEEDS TO HAVE SOME WORK DONE ON IT.

YOU KNOW, THAT THAT NEEDS TO BE LOOKED INTO THAT IS CERTAINLY SOMETHING THE BOARD, IF THE BOARD CHOOSES TO, THAT THEY CAN DECIDE TO DO, TO ADD, UH, IN THE RANKINGS IF THEY WANT TO.

YEAH.

BUT I THINK IT WOULD BE SOMETHING TOO THAT WE COULD IDENTIFY ROADS THAT MAY BE USED FOR TOURISM DURING THE TOURISM SEASON.

AND THEN THEY, YOU COULD MAYBE DO YOUR VOLUME COUNTS DURING THAT PARTICULAR HEAVY TRAFFIC PERIOD, I E OCTOBER OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

BUT I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY THERE ARE.

I DON'T KNOW IF THERE'D BE A WHOLE LOT, BUT THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT TOO.

AND I GUESS THE OTHER THING THAT COULD BE DONE TO, IF YOU LIVE ON A ROAD AND YOU WANT TO INCREASE THE TRAFFIC COUNTS, WE WANT TO FIND OUT WHEN BEAT OUTS OUT THERE WITH THEIR LITTLE STRIPS, COUNTING THE VEHICLES AND YOU JUST GO BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH, BACK AND FORTH.

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AND THAT INCREASED THE COUNT FOR THAT DAY.

WELL, UH, THE, THE, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE LOOKED AT, WHAT WOULD BE LOOKED AT IS AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY TRAFFIC.

OKAY.

SO YOU COULD, YOU COULD MAKE 500 TRIPS IN ONE DAY.

AND IF THE REST OF THE DAYS DIDN'T HAVE THAT, IT'S STILL GOING TO BE AVERAGED OUT TO THE AVERAGE ANNUAL DAILY THING, BUT WE CAN PLACE THE COUNTERS OUT THERE.

IF THE, IF THE BOARD SAYS ROAD A, IS IT GETS REALLY BUSY IN THE TOURIST SEASON.

OKAY.

WE CAN PUT THE COUNTERS THERE.

EVEN, EVEN IF THE BOARD MOVED FORWARD THIS YEAR, IT'S GOING TO TAKE SEVERAL MONTHS OF WORK TO PUT TOGETHER A, UH, A SYSTEM THAT THE BOARD AGREES TO.

THEN IT'S GOING TO TAKE, UH, YOU WOULD PROBABLY STAY STATIC UNTIL THE NEXT YEAR WHEN WE'VE HAD A CHANCE TO GRAB ALL BRAND NEW DATA, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTED THE THING.

SO IF THIS YEAR, IF YOU HAD SOMETHING TO PRESENT THIS SPRING AND THE BOARD AGREED ON IT, IT WOULD BE NEXT SPRING.

AND YOUR NEXT SIX YEAR PLAN BEFORE YOU ACTUALLY DID IMPLEMENT IMPLEMENTATION.

LET ME ASK YOU ANOTHER QUESTION THERE, AGAIN, IT GOES FROM PAST EXPERIENCE.

I KNOW IN BROWNTOWN ROAD, THEY WANTED TO DECREASE THE SPEED LIMIT AND THEN BEAT OUT, HAD TO GO OUT THERE WHERE THEIR TRAFFIC COUNTS.

AND I DON'T KNOW IF THE LITTLE THINGS YOU PUT ACROSS THE ROAD HIT ON NOT ONLY, UM, MEASURES A VEHICLE, BUT ALSO MEASURES OF SPEED.

NOW WE HAVE, UH, NOW WE HAVE SPEED COUNTERS THAT WE PUT OUT THERE TO MEASURE THAT.

OKAY.

BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, THOUGH, THAT COMES WITH A COST HAVING SAYS, WHAT, WHAT THEY COST NOW, WE'RE GOING TO CHARGE YOU FOR THAT BECAUSE I THOUGHT THEY DID WHEN THEY WANTED TO.

OKAY.

OKAY.

JUST WANT TO CLARIFY.

WE HAVE BUDGETS NOW.

OKAY.

OKAY.

IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU, IF YOU WANT A, UH, A SPEED STUDY DONE ON A SPECIFIC ROAD, OKAY.

THEY WILL COME OUT THERE AND PLACE THE COUNTERS FOR THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THEY WILL GET AND A LOW SPEED, HIGH SPEED, AVERAGE SPEED FOR DIFFERENT PERIODS OF THE DAY.

USUALLY THEY SAT THERE FOR 48 HOURS AND THEN THEY WILL LOOK AT THE CRASH HISTORY.

THEY WILL LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF ACCESS POINTS ON THAT ROAD.

THEY WILL LOOK AT THE GEOMETRICS OF THE ROAD.

THEY WILL LOOK AT THE, UH, UH, WHETHER OR NOT, UH, THERE IS SCHOOL TRAFFIC ON THAT ROAD AND WHAT THEY REALLY PAY A LOT OF POTENTIAL TO IS WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS CURRENTLY TRAVELING AT AND TO LOWER A SPEED LIMIT.

AND THIS IS A MISCONCEPTION BY A LOT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT EVERYBODY OUT THERE.

IF YOU HAVE TRAFFIC ON A 45 ZONE AND IT'S DRIVING 50, OKAY, YOU CAN PUT THAT SPEED LIMIT DOWN TO 25 AND YOU'RE STILL GONNA DRIVE 50 PEOPLE DRIVE WHAT THEY'RE COMFORTABLE DRIVING.

AND SO TRAFFIC ENGINEERING TAKES A LOOK AT THAT WHEN THEY DECIDE TO LOWER ALL MEAN WHEN THEY'RE LOOKING TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THEY CAN JUSTIFY LOWERING.

THE OTHER THING IS THAT THEY AN ASH DOSE STANDARD, OKAY.

WHEN THEY'RE MAKING THESE DECISIONS, AND IF THEY LOWER A SPEED LIMIT LOWER THAN WHAT THIS, WHAT THE ROAD IS DESIGNED TO TAKE, AND THEY START INCURRING REAR-END CRASHES, THE P E WHO STAMPED THAT IF HE VIOLATED THOSE STANDARDS BECOMES LIABLE AND RISK HIS LICENSE.

SO THEY'RE, THEY, THEY TAKE A HARD LOOK AT, THEY MAKE SURE THAT THEY HAVE THE SCIENTIFIC DATA BEHIND THEM BEFORE THEY LOWER A SPEED LIMIT OR RAISE A SPEED LIMIT.

SO I UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT, MIKE, WE'LL TAKE THESE CRITERIA, LOOK AT SOME OF THE EXAMPLES, LIKE FREDERICK NOLAN TO COME SHOW US.

AND WE CREATE A WEIGHTING SYSTEM AWAIT SYSTEM FOR THESE, WE BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND WE GET TO GET, AFTER WE GET THAT APPROVAL, THEN WE GO BACK AND RANK OR STREETS.

WELL, ACTUALLY MY, MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT YOU RANKED THE STREETS SO THE BOARD CAN SEE WHAT IMPACT IT HAS, UH, VERSUS WHAT IT CURRENTLY HAS CONSIDERING ITS PRIORITIES.

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SO WHAT, WHAT IS HERE? YEAH.

WHAT IS, WHAT IS HERE ON YOUR CURRENT PLAN IS THAT'S THE CURRENT PLAN THAT THIS IS THE CURRENT PLAN? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE THAT, THAT MIKE WORKED WITH US AND, AND, AND, UH, DEVELOP THE PROS AND CONS OF EACH OF THE WAVES.

OKAY.

I APPLIED TO HERE AND THEN BRING THAT BACK TO THE BOARD AND SAY, OKAY, UNDER THE RATING SYSTEM, THIS IS WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.

THIS IS WHAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE, YOU KNOW, DO YOU WANT TO GO TO THE WEDDING SYSTEM OR DO YOU WANT TO STAY LIKE YOU ARE, IT'S ENTIRELY A BOARD DECISION, BUT IT MAKES SENSE TO HAVE SOME SORT OF A RANKING SYSTEM THAT THE BOARD CAN USE TO SET THE, AND, AND MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IF MIKE'S GOING TO BE DOING THAT.

UH, AND, AND OF COURSE THE BOARD HAS TO SAY, THEY WANT TO PROCEED THAT WAY TO AT LEAST DEVELOP.

IT DOES MEAN YOU HAVE TO ACCEPT IT, BUT IF YOU PROCEED TO DEVELOP IT, YOU KNOW, SO YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE.

THEN MIKE SITS DOWN WITH US, UH, AND AT SOME POINT IN THE NEXT MONTH OR SO, AND GET STARTED ON, UH, UH, SHARING THE INFORMATION.

SO WHAT WOULD BE OUR TIMEFRAME? OH, I'M GETTING IT DONE.

YEAH.

WELL, I'LL TELL YOU THE, IT TOOK SHANANDOAH COUNTY, UH, THREE MONTHS TO DO THEIRS.

AND, UH, AND I THINK YOU'D HAVE A BETTER FEEL FOR THAT.

MY GOAL WOULD BE THAT WHEN WE COME TO YOU WITH THE SIX YEAR PLAN, OKAY.

FOR YOUR, UH, THAT YOU HAVE THIS IN FRONT OF YOU TO CONSIDER THAT DOESN'T MEAN, AS I SAID, I DON'T RECOMMEND CHANGING ANYTHING IN THE CURRENT PLAN.

OKAY.

BUT IF YOU ADOPT THE SYSTEM, THEN WE APPLY THAT AND CHANGE IT NEXT SIX YEAR CYCLE, WHICH IT WOULD BE IN 2022.

OKAY.

THANK YOU.

SO THESE THINGS THAT YOU'VE GOT ON HERE, THEY, I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT IS IT? THREE PAGES OF PROJECTS.

SOME OF THEM WERE ACTUALLY BEEN COMPLETED.

IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT.

OKAY.

YOU'RE GONNA MISS THAT.

SO THAT'S CORRECT.

AND THE REASON, THE REASON I CAN'T GO ANY FURTHER WITH IT IS BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE REVENUE FORECAST ARE GOING TO SHOW BY THE END OF FEBRUARY.

IN OTHER WORDS, YOU WOULD HAVE THIS.

WHEN I, WHEN I COME BACK TO YOU AGAIN, BEFORE MAY, I WILL SAY, OKAY, HERE'S WHAT WE'VE COMPLETED.

HERE'S WHAT WE HAVEN'T COMPLETED.

AND HERE'S HOW MUCH MONEY YOU GOT LEFT TO DOLE OUT.

WHAT ROADS DO YOU WANT TO ADD NOW? OKAY.

LET'S, LET'S TAKE ROCKY LANE.

OKAY.

I DON'T KNOW.

WHAT'S BEEN DONE OUT THERE.

I DON'T TRAVEL THAT ROAD.

HAS THAT BEEN COMPLETED? YES.

OKAY.

THE SAME THING WITH, UH, RICHARDSON ROAD.

YES.

YEAH.

EVERYTHING ON PAGE FOUR, I BELIEVE IS DONE.

PAGE FOUR, PAGE TWO OR FOUR.

YEAH, PAGE TWO OR FOUR.

LET ME PUT MY GLASSES BACK.

WELL, THE HAPPY CREEK, THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD PROJECT HADN'T BEEN COMPLETED.

WELL, HAPPY CREEK ROAD IS HAPPY.

CREEK ROAD THOUGH IS A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WAS DONE THROUGH SMART SCALE.

THAT'S A $10 MILLION PROJECT.

SHE'S THE ONLY DIFFERENT SECTION.

THE SECTION IS THAT IT'S UNDER NEW HARD SURFACE PROJECT.

YOU SEE, I WAS GOING TO GET THE SMART SCALE IN A MINUTE.

ONE COUNTY HAS ALSO SUBMITTED THREE SMART SCALE PROJECTS THAT HAVE BEEN SCREENED IN THAT.

WE'LL GO TO THE CTB NEXT TUESDAY TO SEE IF WE SCORE HIGH ENOUGH TO GET FUNDED.

HAPPY CREEK IS ONE THAT DID THAT ON THE FIRST CYCLE.

GOT APPROVED.

NOW IT'S, IT'S UH, JUST ABOUT COMPLETE DESIGN AND IT'S HAD THE PUBLIC HEARING RIGHT AWAY PHASE, I THINK IS JUST ABOUT COMPLETED.

AND IT'S READY TO GO TO ADVERTISEMENT JUST ABOUT READY TO GO TO ADVERTISEMENT AND ARE THE FUNDS THERE NOW FOR THE COMPLETION? THE ONE THING ABOUT SMART SCALE IS THAT WE CANNOT PROCEED WITH WORK ON PROJECTS THAT ARE APPROVED ON THE SMART SCALE UNTIL THE FUNDS ARE 100% IN THE BIND.

SO ANYTHING IT'S APPROVAL AND SMART SCALE, THE FUNDS ARE THERE GETTING BACK TO THE, UM, THE PROJECTS THAT WE CAN CHOOSE TO DO THAT TAKE AWAY FROM OUR TOTAL ALLOTMENT OF DOLLARS.

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OKAY.

UH, IN SECONDARY.

YEAH.

UH, YEAH, IT, IT, BUT WE HAVE SOME CONTROL IS WHAT I MEAN, YOU HA YOU HAVE ALL CONTROL.

UH, UH, WE LIKE TO SAY THAT YOU HAVE 51% OF THE SHARES AND WE GOT 49% OF THE SHARES ON YOUR SECONDARY.

UM, WE TRY TO ADVISE YOU, YOU KNOW, AS BEST THAT WE CAN, BUT ULTIMATELY IT'S THE BOARD'S DECISION.

SO IF YOU, AND I'M JUST GONNA PICK A FIGURE HERE.

LET'S SAY, IF I LOOK HERE, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS SHEET ONE OH FOUR, THERE WAS IN 2019.

OKAY.

OKAY.

AND THAT SIX YEAR PERIOD.

OKAY.

YOU WERE ALLOTTED, UH, $1.5 MILLION FOR YOUR SECONDARY IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM.

AND IT WAS SPREAD OUT OVER THOSE GIVEN YEARS AND SEE THAT DISTRICT GRANT THAT'S FOR THE UNPAVED ROADS.

NOW YOU CAN ASK FOR MORE, BUT WE TRY TO, WE TRY TO ADVISE YOU TO ASK FOR WHAT WE CAN GET CONSTRUCTED, MAYBE BECAUSE WE HAVE A SHORT WINDOW CONSTRUCTION SEASON DEPENDENT ON THE TYPE OF WEATHER THAT WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, UM, USUALLY IF WE HAVE A REAL GOOD YEAR, WE CAN START WORKING IN, UH, USUALLY MAY OKAY.

AND CARRY IT ALL THE WAY THROUGH OCTOBER.

AND WHEN YOU SAY THAT YOU'RE TALKING BASICALLY ROLL RUSTIC OR UNPAVED ROAD, RIGHT? YEAH.

MR. CARTER, I WANTED TO ASK, IS THERE SOMEWHERE THAT, SO FOR SHENANDOAH COUNTY, IF IT VOTED ON AN ALGORITHM, THEN IT OBVIOUSLY IS PUBLISHED SOMEWHERE SO WE CAN GO OUT AND CAUSE I'D LIKE TO SEE THE ALGORITHM THAT THEY USED TO DETERMINE HOW THEY RANKED THEIR ROADS, JUST TO GET A FEEL FOR, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE, HOW THEY WEIGHTED AND HOW THE WEIGHTINGS DISTRIBUTED.

AND I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY, YEAH.

I, I WILL GIVE, UH, IF, IF MIKE GETS WITH ME, I'LL GIVE HIM FREDERICK AND, AND SHANGO CAN BE REALLY HELPFUL.

YEAH.

AND I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT YOU ALL LOOK AT THOSE TO MAKE YOUR DECISION.

UM, YOU KNOW, YOU MIGHT, YOU MIGHT CHOOSE TO GO WITH SOMETHING ENTIRELY DIFFERENT.

I, I'M JUST ONE THAT WE'RE NOT REINVENTING THE WHEEL.

IF I KNOW, OH, WELL, MAYBE WE CAN TAKE THE CURRENT PLAN AND PUT THE ROADS ON THE FREDERICK AND THE SHENANDOAH GRIDS SO THAT THE BOARD CAN SEE WHAT THEY WOULD LOOK LIKE.

AND THEN THEY COULD SAY WHAT THEY'D LIKE TO TWEAK SO THAT MIKE COULD THEN COME UP WITH WHATEVER THE WARRANT ACCOUNTED REALLY.

WOULD IT BE WHAT THE IMPACT OF THE DIFFERENT WEIGHTING SYSTEM WOULD BE? THAT WOULD MAKE VERY GOOD SENSE THAT SHANNON DORA PLAN, THIS IS A LITTLE SIMPLER AND EASIER TO UPDATE THAN THE FREDERICK COUNTY PLAN, BUT THEY'RE BOTH, THEY'RE BOTH GOOD.

I MEAN, UH, SOLID PLANS AND THEY GIVE THE BOARD A SOLID FOOTING TO MAKE THEIR DECISIONS.

SO QUESTION JUST FOR ME, SIR, IS LOOKING AT HAPPY CREEK IS SIX 45.

IS THAT LEE TRON PARKWAY? IT'S SIX 45.

WHAT, WHAT ROAD? I THINK THAT'S WHERE IT GOES FROM TOWN LIMITS, MAYBE TO THE BRIDGE OF 66 AND AUSTIN BRANCH.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TAKE THE BRIDGE OF 66.

OKAY.

GOT THE OUTER BRIDGE.

THE OTHER THING THAT'S MOST IMPORTANT WITH THAT PROJECT IS IT'S GOING TO HELP REALIGN THE INTERSECTION THERE AT A DISMAL HOLLOW ROAD.

YES.

WHICH IS VERY DIFFICULT IF YOU'RE COMING TOWARDS TOWN TO MAKE THAT TURN BECAUSE YOU ALMOST HAVE TO MAKE A WIDE TURN TO GET THERE.

IT TAKES ALL OF THOSE CURVES AND HUMPS AND HEELS BETWEEN EACH ONE PARKWAY.

I MEAN, BETWEEN THE TOWN LIMIT ALL THE WAY DOWN TO, AND IT ALSO HELPED WITH THE RAILROAD CROSSING TOO.

CAN I ASK, IS THAT GOING TO STRAIGHTEN OR YOUR CROSS AT AN ANGLE AND THAT RAILROAD TRACKS STRAIGHTENS THAT OUT SO THAT YOU'RE LIGHT.

OKAY.

AND THAT'S TO GO DOWN TO THE, WHAT IS IT? MANASSAS ROAD RIGHT THERE.

JUST PAST THE BRIDGE.

YEAH.

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BUT THEN I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I WAS CONFUSED AS IT WAS FIRST FOUR SHEETS WERE SHOWING AND MAYBE THAT WAS IN 2019 AND IT SHOWED HER STILL MONEY NEEDED TO BE ALLOCATED TO THAT PARTICULAR PROJECT.

BUT THEN ON THE OTHER PAGE, IT SAYS, THEY'RE STARTING TO, THEY'RE THINKING ABOUT BEGINNING OF THAT PROJECT IN 2021.

WELL, IF YOU SEE, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ONE HAPPY CREEK ROAD, THE FINAL FUNDING FOR WHAT BECOMES AVAILABLE IN JULY OF 2021.

OKAY.

SO IT'S GOING TO BE ADVERTISED CONSTRUCTION.

WOULDN'T START BEFORE THEN.

RIGHT.

GOTCHA.

OKAY.

THAT'S THE OTHER THING TOO, THAT, THAT IT'S IMPORTANT.

AND THERE, AGAIN, THAT'S BEYOND US, BUT THAT'S THE, THE TOWN PIECE BETWEEN WHERE THEY STOPPED RIGHT THERE, WHERE YOU GOT THAT S CURVE WHERE YOU GO INTO MR. ED'S, UM, SUBDIVISION AS SHANNON DOOR OR A SHADOW SHORES ROAD AND THE WHOLE THING, BUT THAT THERE THAT'S ON THE TOWN.

DO YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE PROCEEDING WITH THAT? UH, LET ME SEE.

I I'LL HAVE TO CHECK ON THAT BECAUSE LIKE I SAID, RIGHT, TRY TO DO IT WITH REVENUE SHARING AT ONE TIME.

AND THAT KIND OF FELL THROUGH, UH, SINCE THEY'RE AN URBAN DEVELOPMENT, THEY, UH, THEY'RE NOT, THEY DON'T GET SECONDARY FUNDS LIKE THE COUNTY, SO THEY EITHER GOT TO GO REVENUE SHARING OR SMART SCALE.

AND THE ONLY SMART SCALE THAT THEY HAVE THAT THEY APPLIED FOR THIS YEAR WAS, UH, OKAY.

WAS SOUTH STREET BIKE PAD.

BECAUSE I THINK WHEN I FIRST GOT ON TOWN COUNCIL 94, SO THE HAPPY CREEK ROAD IMPROVEMENT WAS SUPPOSED TO GO ALL THE WAY TO THE TOWN LIMITS.

AND IT WAS A SIX YEAR PLAN AND WE'D BEEN ON THERE FOR LIKE 20 YEARS AND THEN THEY WENT UP DOING IT IN PHASES AND IT JUST, THE COST JUST KEPT ESCALATING.

YEAH.

AND THERE'S NOW THE THING ABOUT SMART SCALE IS THAT THE INFLATION IS BUILT IN, UH, FOR, UH, WARREN COUNTY HAS, UH, THEY HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE GOT A SMART SCALE PROJECT NOW THAT'S APPROVED FOR THE ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ON THREE 40, FROM 66 ON OUT, OKAY.

TO PUT ADDITIONAL STREET LIGHTING OUT THERE AND LIGHT THE ROADWAY THIS YEAR, UH, YOU HAVE APPLIED FOR A QUARTER SAFETY IMPROVEMENTS ON THREE 40 AT $1.1 MILLION IN, UH, 20 $20 ON THE PATIENT FACTORS APPLIED SAY BY THE TIME THAT THE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE AT JUMPS TO $1.6 MILLION, YOU'VE ALSO GOT ONE N AND THESE, THESE ARE PROJECTS THAT MADE IT THROUGH THE SCREENING PROCESS AND WE'LL BE IN FRONT OF CTB.

NEXT PIECE, THE, UH, CORRECTING THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 55 AND HANNA ROAD MAKING THAT LEFT TURN LANE IN THERE.

UH, THAT WAS IT 2.2 MILLION.

OKAY.

BY THE TIME THE MONEY BECOMES AVAILABLE, IT GOES TO 3.3 MILLION.

AND THEN YOUR OTHER ONE WAS A ROUTE 55 WEST AT SIX 78 AND SIX, 10 INTERSECTION IMPROVEMENTS.

OKAY.

THAT'S A 2.8 ADD GOES TO 4.2.

SO YOU CAN SEE THAT THE INFLATION HAS BEEN ADDED HERE.

YOU LOST ME ON THE ROUTE NUMBERS THERE.

IF YOU DO, YOU KNOW, DO YOU KNOW THE ROAD NAMES? IT'S 55 WEST.

NOW I HAVE TO LOOK THEM UP.

YOU KEEP UP WITH THE ROAD NAMES.

YEAH.

YEAH.

THAT'S OKAY.

THAT'S OKAY.

I'LL LOOK IT UP.

BUT, UM, QUESTION ON, AND I'M, I'M ON THIS PAGE OF THE BOOK, NOT THE FIRST ONE.

SO SHE HAD THERE WITH THE, THE THREE THAT ARE THEY'RE PRIORITIZED UNFUNDED PROJECTS UNDER THE SMART SCALE.

AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE LISTED ONE, TWO, THREE, PRIORITIZE THEM.

OR IS THAT SENTENCE TO CATCH UP WITH YOU HERE? WAIT A MINUTE.

WE COULD SAY SEVEN, WHERE YOU AT WHICH PAGE?

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THIS NUMBER DOWN THERE.

IT'S HALLSVILLE ROAD, COTTON LANE AND STOKES.

OKAY.

YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE, UH, SECONDARY SLIDE PRESENTATION THAT WE GAVE.

YEAH, YEAH.

THIS RIGHT HERE RIGHT NOW WITH IT.

I THOUGHT SINCE WE WERE, YOU WERE TALKING SMART SCALE EVIDENCE.

YEAH.

OR, UH, AT, AT THE TIME IN 2019, THESE WERE PROJECTS THAT WERE SUPPOSED TO BE SUBMITTED OR THAT THE COUNTY WANTED TO SUBMIT FOR SMART SCALE.

OKAY.

AND, UH, THEY WERE NOT, THEY HAVE NOT BEEN SUBMITTED FOR SUPPORT.

SO THAT'S, I THOUGHT MAYBE THEY HAD BEEN SUBMITTED, BUT NOT, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN SUBMITTED AT ALL COMMITTED.

AND YOU SEE THAT THE PLANNING GROUP WORKED WITH YOUR, UH, UH, WITH YOUR, UH, WITH BOB PRIMARILY, YOU KNOW, BASED ON DIRECTION FROM THE BOARD AT THAT TIME.

AND IT I'M SORRY, PLANNING GROUP BEING OUR PLANNING COMMISSION.

SORRY.

NO, OUR PLANNING GROUP, OUR FOLKS WHO KIND OF OVERSEE AND HELP DIRECT THE SPOT SCALE PROJECTS AND THEY CAN KIND OF LOOK BECAUSE THEY KNOW ALL THE RULES AND EVERYTHING AND SAY, UH, THIS ONE'S PROBABLY NOT GOING TO MAKE IT THROUGH.

YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO PUT YOUR EFFORT INTO IT OR THIS ONE LOOKS LIKE IT COULD BE SPORE HIGH.

SO THIS MIGHT BE ALL IN ONE YOU OUGHT TO SUBMIT.

I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED TO THESE THREE OR NOT.

LIKE I SAID, THIS WAS TWO YEARS AGO, SO, SO WERE THESE DENIED OR JUST NOT SUBMITTED? THEY WERE NOT SUBMITTED.

OKAY.

WHAT ABOUT THAT, THAT REASON FOR NOT SUBMISSION? I DON'T KNOW.

I CAN, I CAN GO CHECK, BUT, UH, IF THEY'RE STILL A PRIORITY, YOU KNOW, TO YOU AS A BOARD, I MEAN, I, I LOOK AT IT, ESPECIALLY STOKES AIRPORT ROAD AND TOTTEN LANE, BECAUSE NOW THAT WE'VE GOT A NEW FIRE DEPARTMENTS AT NON STOKES AIRPORT ROAD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO BE RUNNING THAT ROAD A LITTLE BIT MORE RUNNING CALLS, AND THAT ROAD IS AN ACCIDENT ON ANY GIVEN DAY.

IF THEY'VE ALREADY HAPPENED.

WE EXPLAINED THAT SMART SCALES OVER A TWO YEAR CYCLE, SEE THE DOLLARS.

IF THESE PROJECTS THAT YOU SUBMITTED GET APPROVED BY THE CTB, THE MONEY IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE UNTIL ABOUT 27 OR 28.

RIGHT.

IF YOU, IF YOU WANT TO INCLUDE THESE IN, ON THE NEXT APPLICATION.

OKAY.

WHICH WILL BE NEXT ABOUT A YEAR FROM NOW.

OKAY.

THE MONEY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE OUT THERE IN ABOUT 29 OR 30.

IF THE, IF IT GETS SCORED, WHAT, WHAT ROLE DOES THAT PLAY IN? I THINK IT'S CALLED, IS IT THE SEWER, THE SMALLER URBAN AREA, TRANSPORTATION STUDIES DONE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE UPDATED EVERY FIVE YEARS OR SO.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT? UH, I KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, BUT I DO NOT KNOW WHAT ROLE THAT PLAYS.

WELL, IT'S JUST, I JUST RECALL THROUGH THE YEARS HAS COME UP.

AND I THINK THE LAST TIME WE SAW IT AS SOMETHING, MAYBE MR. AKIN FUND TO GET THE LATEST ONE AND WHAT THAT SHOWED.

AND I THINK IT SHOWED IT FOR BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT'S WHERE VIDOT HELPS SMALLER LOCALITIES DO SOME TRANSPORTATION PLANNING, WHEREAS THE LARGER LOCALITIES HAVE THEIR OWN TRANSPORTATION PLANNING PERSON.

THAT'S TRUE.

BUT I, I DON'T KNOW.

I KNOW WE HAVE USED IT IN AREAS LIKE HELPING, UH, UH, LIKE THE TOWN OF BERRYVILLE.

RIGHT.

OKAY.

WHICH IS JUST ABOUT 3,600 PEOPLE.

I THINK WARREN COUNTY IS WHAT, 35,040.

BUT THERE AGAIN, I THINK I'M NOT SURE.

I THINK IN BOTH THE TOWN AND THE COUNTY HAD THE SEPARATE, UH, STUDIES COMMISSION, WHATEVER.

AND LAST I REMEMBER IT SHOW, IT WAS LIKE EVERYTHING.

LIKE I SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S BASICALLY, UH, TOO MUCH MONEY AND NOT ENOUGH ROADS, NO REVERSE THAT.

UH, BUT IT SHOWED LIKE PUTTING IN THE INTERCHANGE AT SIX OH SIX, WHICH AT THAT TIME, LAST TIME I LOOKED, IT WAS LIKE A HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS.

IT ALSO TALKED ABOUT PUTTING IN THAT WESTERN BYPASS.

WE TALKED ABOUT MAJOR, MAJOR THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW, I GUESS IS MORE OR LESS A WISHLIST OR A DREAMLESS, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW HOW OFTEN THAT GOT UPDATED OR IF THAT'S ABOUT TIME TO START LOOKING AT THAT AGAIN.

YEAH.

I'LL I, IT HASN'T BEEN DONE IN AWHILE.

I HAVEN'T HEARD ANY DISCUSSIONS TO HAVE IT DONE.

OKAY.

I THINK THEY DID.

IT WAS LIKE A

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20 YEAR PLAN, BUT IT WOULD BE UPDATED AS TIME WOULD ALLOW A REVIVAL.

YOU'RE SAYING EVERYTHING NOW HAS TO BE ON V TRAN.

THEY GET SUBMITTED IN SPORT SCALE.

I'M NOT SURE HOW THAT TIES IN, BUT IT WOULD PROBABLY BE WORTHWHILE IF, UH, WE GOT ON YOUR BOARD MEETING AGENDA AND HAD, UH, OUR PLANNING GROUP, UH, FOLKS COME UP HERE AND ANSWER SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS.

I'M SORRY.

I, I DON'T KNOW THE ANSWERS TO THEM.

THEY'RE MUCH MORE VERSED IN IT.

NO, LIKE I SAID, I JUST REMEMBER THOSE THINGS IN THE PAST.

AND THEN SOMETIMES THOSE THINGS KIND OF GO AWAY.

SOMETIMES THEY NEED TO BE UPDATED.

SOMETIMES THEY GET FORGOTTEN.

SO, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M SURE STAFF CAN FIND THE LAST ITERATION OF THAT.

YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO, UH, PUT THAT ON A BOARD MEETING AGENDA, BE GLAD TO HAVE HIM COME AND GIVE YOU, ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS.

WELL, I THINK THE FIRST THING THAT HAPPENED WOULD BE TO GET A COPY OF THE LAST PLAN AND LET THE BOARD LOOK AT IT AND DECIDE WHICH WAY THEY WANT TO MOVE FORWARD.

DO YOU KNOW ABOUT HOW OLD THAT IS, SIR? UM, THAT'S HAS BEEN DONE AT LEAST SINCE THE CIVIL WAR.

UH, I DON'T WANT TO SAY PLANT'S BEEN UPDATED SINCE I'VE BEEN HERE 13, 13.

I THINK IT'S TIMED UPDATED THAT.

WELL, IT, IT MAY BE THE THING ABOUT IT IS WITH ALL OF THE NEW THINGS AND IT'S CONTINUAL CHANGE OF ADMINISTRATIONS AND, UH, AND HIGHWAY LEADERSHIP, THE, IT MAY NOT EVEN EXIST ANYMORE.

I WAS GOING TO SAY IT WOULD BE.

YEAH.

SO THAT'S THAT'S AND I'LL GET YOU THE ANSWER TO THOSE QUESTIONS.

AND IF YOU, THE BOARD DECIDES THEY WANT SOMEBODY TO COME UP AND THEY CAN ASK MORE DETAILED TO BE GLAD TO DO THAT.

AND MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAY MS. LOGAN IS ON THE GOOGLE MEET AND SHE ACTUALLY HAS THAT PLAN, THE 20, 35 PLAN.

AND SHE WOULD BE THE SMALL URBAN AREA TRANSPORTATION PLAN.

AND SHE WOULD BE GLAD TO SHARE THAT WITH THE BOARD.

OKAY.

SO WE CAN PUT THAT ON A WORK SESSION.

YES.

SO WE HAVE A COUPLE OF DATES FOR THE WORK SESSION.

SO WE HAVE THE FEBRUARY 2ND, WHICH IS THE WORK SESSION AFTER OUR MORNING MEETING, BUT THERE IS A BUDGET WORK SESSION SCHEDULED FOR FEBRUARY 2ND, AT 11 WITH THE SHENANDOAH AREA AGENCY ON AGING.

BUT WE ALSO HAVE OUR SECOND TUESDAY WORK SESSION AT SEVEN O'CLOCK ON FEBRUARY THE NINTH.

SO MANY BUDGET.

LET'S TRY.

THE SECOND I WAS GOING TO SAY, I'D LIKE FOR VEDA, PROBABLY MORNINGS WERE BETTER.

ARE THEY NOT? WELL, IT, IT, THESE PEOPLE COME UP ALL THE WAY FROM STANTON.

I PREFER IT.

IT NOT BE AT SEVEN AT NIGHT.

I MEAN, IF THAT'S WHAT TAKES US WHAT IT TAKES, BUT WELL, WE CAN, WE CAN ACCOMMODATE EVEN IF WE'RE OUT.

UH, SO THE THERE'S ALSO A 9:00 AM WORK SESSION, THE BUDGET WORK SESSION ON FEBRUARY THE NINTH AS WELL.

BUT IF YOU WANT TO GO AHEAD AND ADD THE VIRGINIA DEPARTMENT TRANSPORTATION ONTO THE BUDGET WORK SESSION WITH THE S AAA ON THE SECOND, I CAN DO THAT.

WAIT, WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT AS FAR AS HAVING THE WORK SESSION TO LOOK AT THE SU ED PLAN OR LOOK AT SOMETHING ELSE FROM DOT WELL, JUST HAVE THEM COME UP AND EXPLAIN IT TO US AND YEAH, WELL, IT JUST SEEMS LIKE TO ME, IT'D BE BETTER FOR US TO GET IT AND LOOK AT IT AND THEN DECIDE WHICH WAY WE GO RATHER THAN JUST TO SCHEDULE A WORK SESSION AT THIS POINT.

CAUSE I DON'T THINK TIME IS CRITICAL AND I GUESS, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUDGET AND THERE AGAIN, I WOULD, I WOULD SUGGEST THAT LOOK AT THE 2015 PLAN AND THEN YOU SEE WHAT THEY PROPOSED FOR THE 20, THE 20 YEAR PERIOD.

AND THEN WE CAN COORDINATE WITH MR. CARTER AND US, AND THEN THEIR PLANNING, UH, CAN COME UP.

AND BY THAT TIME TOO, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DISCUSS MORE AS FAR AS THAT WEIGHTED SYSTEM, TOO, TO LOOK AT WHAT ROADS TAKE PRESIDENTS.

SO MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE, GET THAT PLAN.

LET'S DO ALL THIS AT ONCE.

SO WE DON'T HAVE TO DRAG READ OUT UP HERE A COUPLE OF TIMES, AND THEN, YOU KNOW, IT MAY BE AN ALL, ALL NIGHTER, BUT AT LEAST THAT WOULD BE THERE.

AND THEN BY LOOKING AT THAT BEFOREHAND, WE'D HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO, UH, SUBMIT QUESTIONS THAT, UH, BEAT OUT WOULD BE, UH, READY TO ANSWER A RESEARCH INSTEAD OF GOING BACK AND FORTH.

JUST MY SUGGESTION.

SO AGAIN, I WOULD WAIT TO HOLD OFF ON THAT TILL WE GET IT ALL WRAPPED UP TOGETHER.

DID YOU SAY MS. UH, MS. LOGAN HAS THAT REPORT? YES.

SO I'VE ASKED HER TO, IF SHE HAS AN AVAILABLE COPY RIGHT NOW, JUST TO BRING IT DOWN FOR YOU TO PERUSE.

UH, BUT SHE DOES HAVE THAT PLAN AVAILABLE.

OKAY.

I DON'T THINK WE NECESSARILY HAVE TO LOOK AT IT TODAY, BUT SINCE SHE HAS IT WE'D, THAT WOULD GIVE US AN OPPORTUNITY TO LOOK OVER THAT, MAKE A LIST OF OUR QUESTIONS AND SO FORTH AND STILL BE ABLE TO GO WITH FEBRUARY.

I'D RATHER DO IT ON A MORNING BECAUSE OF THE, YEAH.

AND IT DOESN'T

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HAVE TO BE IN FEBRUARY.

IT CAN BE LIKE, IT'D BE WHENEVER YOU ALL WANT TO.

UH, THE RIGHT NOW, THE ONLY TIMELINE THAT WE'RE FACED WITH OKAY.

IS GETTING, UH, THE SECONDARY SIX YEAR PLAN BACK SCHEDULE FOR A PUBLIC HEARING VIRTUAL SOMETIME IN MAY.

RIGHT.

SO I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM PUSHING IT OUT FURTHER, BUT I, NO, THAT'S FINE.

BUT LIKE I SAID, WE'RE, WE'RE BUSY NOW WITH BUDGET AND IT'S GOING TO BE PRETTY INTENSE THERE TOO.

AND THAT SHOULD BE OUR PRIMARY FOCUS IN MY OPINION.

SO I THINK WE'LL, UM, WE'LL AIM OUT A LITTLE FURTHER, GIVE US TIME TO LOOK AT THAT AND DO IT ON A MORNING WHERE THEY'RE NOT LOOKING AT BEING SO LATE OR NIGHT OR HAVING TO STAY OVER.

YOU'RE DOING FEBRUARY.

WHAT ABOUT TOWARDS THE END OF THE MONTH? SAY FEBRUARY 30TH, WOULD YOU BE AVAILABLE THEN IF THERE WAS A FEBRUARY 30TH, YOU'RE QUICK, MOST PEOPLE START CHECKING THEIR CALENDAR.

IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE YOU NEED FROM US MR. CARTER? UH, NO, I, I, UNLESS YOU ALL HAVE MORE QUESTIONS, I JUST, I APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF BRING YOU UP TO SPEED ON WHERE WE'RE AT AND, UH, AND WHAT WE'RE MOVING FORWARD.

AND IF, UH, IT DAILY WOULD, UH, YOU KNOW, JUST HAVE MIKE GET AHOLD OF ME, WE CAN MOVE IN IN THE OTHER DIRECTION.

IF YOU ALL DECIDE, THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT TO DO.

I THINK AT LEAST WE NEED TO TOO, SINCE IT'S BEEN SO LONG, WE NEED TO GET UPDATED AND LOOK AT THAT BECAUSE I DO BELIEVE THOUGH THOSE ROADS NEED TO BE, THEY NEED TO BE CONSIDERED AGAIN IF THEY WERE NOT SUBMITTED, BUT, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN LOOK AT MAYBE, EVEN AS FAR OUT AS MARCH, APRIL AND NO, MS. ROSSER ACTUALLY REACHED OUT TO ME VIA TEXT MESSAGES.

SHE SENT ME THIS LINK.

IT'S ONE OF THE TRANSPORTATION PLANS THAT'S AVAILABLE ON THE WARREN COUNTY WEBSITE.

AND THIS IS ACTUALLY THE 20, 35 SMALL URBAN AREA MAP.

SO IT'S, I MEAN, YOU CAN BLOW IT UP OBVIOUSLY, BUT THAT IS THE MAP THAT'S AVAILABLE FOR THE SECONDARY, FOR THE SMALLER URBAN ON THE COUNTY'S WEBSITE.

OKAY.

ONE OTHER THING, MR. CARTER, I'M GOING TO SIT ON HERE, TRANSPORTATION PRIMARY AND SECONDARY.

YOU REALLY HAVEN'T TOUCHED ON THE PRIMARY.

AND AGAIN, THAT MAY BE BEYOND THEIR CONTROL, BUT I, AS I TEND TO REMEMBER TOO, AND MAYBE WE LOOK AT THAT EVERY TWO YEARS, AS FAR AS PRIORITIZING, I THINK THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY ON THAT PLAN IS PROBABLY FOUR, FOUR LANDING,